Chris Yarran [merged]

[Stalin]

Who's ahead of him regarding those 12 players? After our top 7 or 8, it gets very thin very fast.

We can rate Lennon/C Ellis as prospects all we like but Yarran atm is far superior.

Here's 11 and I didn't even consider Lennon, ellis C or McIntosh

1.   Rance
2.   Lids
3.   Martin
4.   Jack
5.   Cotchin
6.   Maric
7.   Edwards
8.   Miles
9.   Vlastuin
10.   Grimes
11.   Houli

Houli  not even close

Based solely on output and those currently around him, Houli is in our best dozen players.

Is that good thing or bad thing? Is that a poor reflection on our depth?

That's a separate discussion altogether a valid one no doubt but a different / separate one to this

Question was where do you rate Yarran in our top 25?

Based solely on output for their respective sides in 2015, Houli was miles ahead of Yarran

If Yarran (who I am happy to have BTW) extracts the digit and plays to his absolute best then he'd goes past Houli very quickly (obviously) but until he does I'd have Houli in front of him

As a defender Houli is the worst we have by a mile.

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Who's ahead of him regarding those 12 players? After our top 7 or 8, it gets very thin very fast.

We can rate Lennon/C Ellis as prospects all we like but Yarran atm is far superior.

Here's 11 and I didn't even consider Lennon, ellis C or McIntosh

1.   Rance
2.   Lids
3.   Martin
4.   Jack
5.   Cotchin
6.   Maric
7.   Edwards
8.   Miles
9.   Vlastuin
10.   Grimes
11.   Houli

Houli  not even close

Based solely on output and those currently around him, Houli is in our best dozen players.

Is that good thing or bad thing? Is that a poor reflection on our depth?

That's a separate discussion altogether a valid one no doubt but a different / separate one to this

Question was where do you rate Yarran in our top 25?

Based solely on output for their respective sides in 2015, Houli was miles ahead of Yarran

If Yarran (who I am happy to have BTW) extracts the digit and plays to his absolute best then he'd goes past Houli very quickly (obviously) but until he does I'd have Houli in front of him

As a defender Houli is the worst we have by a mile.
The way I look at it-
Houli might cost us 2 direct goals a game on average with his lack of defensive skill. (When you take direct goals saved by direct goals cost) it doesn't sound like much but when you compare it to-
A top sides HB might who on average save two goals a game on average when you use the same formular.
So that's a 4 goal diferential. (Not sure if I have explained that properly but I'm hoping you get the gist)

When you consider our loses this year against the good sides that 4 goals is pretty damning.
Now I know he is there for his offensive run but his defending is not AFL standard and if we are serious about taking the next step, having a guy in our backline as bad as he is at defending, isn't going to cut it.
I just don't think he is tough enough and desparate enough to play in a backline of a top 4 side.

So my point WP is in order of who could make the biggest difference going forward, Yarran is in front of Houli and so are many others.
You comparing the two players only on 2015 output is ridiculas, if that was the case, would you put Houli in front of G Ablett if we had of traded for him during trade period?

houli might make three goals by being on of the few guys willing to run and create

this is especially evident when the side goes into 'slow', kicking sideways, too scared to take on the oppisition, mode

outside of houli, rance, vlastuin there is very little forward movement or daring

somewhat i suppose why Mr Yarren has been givin the big bananas contract 

[YellowandBlackBlood]

Who's ahead of him regarding those 12 players? After our top 7 or 8, it gets very thin very fast.

We can rate Lennon/C Ellis as prospects all we like but Yarran atm is far superior.

Here's 11 and I didn't even consider Lennon, ellis C or McIntosh

1.   Rance
2.   Lids
3.   Martin
4.   Jack
5.   Cotchin
6.   Maric
7.   Edwards
8.   Miles
9.   Vlastuin
10.   Grimes
11.   Houli

Houli  not even close

Based solely on output and those currently around him, Houli is in our best dozen players.

Is that good thing or bad thing? Is that a poor reflection on our depth?

That's a separate discussion altogether a valid one no doubt but a different / separate one to this

Question was where do you rate Yarran in our top 25?

Based solely on output for their respective sides in 2015, Houli was miles ahead of Yarran

If Yarran (who I am happy to have BTW) extracts the digit and plays to his absolute best then he'd goes past Houli very quickly (obviously) but until he does I'd have Houli in front of him

As a defender Houli is the worst we have by a mile.

.... 

Let me guess. Chaplin?

[Petey]

[Gigantor]

Quite surprised the griggster doesnt get a mention in our top 10 players.

[Stalin]

^^^

 

[Gigantor]

WE all have given it  to Houli over the journey,but folks that image of chaplin trying to get around the nimble Nahas is permanently fixed to my brain.It has well and truly passed Houlis magnificent kick against Freo in the dying seconds of the game

[(•))(©™]

"So wait...I'm confused.

Is he black ???"

Blair Hartley after picking up Chris Yarran

[tony_montana]

WE all have given it  to Houli over the journey,but folks that image of chaplin trying to get around the nimble Nahas is permanently fixed to my brain.It has well and truly passed Houlis magnificent kick against Freo in the dying seconds of the game

 

don't remind me G...

[YellowandBlackBlood]

I agree with big tone in that Houli is a very poor defender.  However, he has been thrust down there to give us rebound.  His proper position is wing to half forward. Yarran I feel is similar in his defensive capability but superior in his rebound and hitting up targets.

Bottom line, both are not good one on one defensively which worries me if both are put in defence. Would rather develop McIntosh as he is taller and and stronger as the defensive rebound person. Houli and Yarran can drift back and help out with rebound predominantly and they can both run forward and kick goals or hit up targets.

[DCrane]

Who's ahead of him regarding those 12 players? After our top 7 or 8, it gets very thin very fast.

We can rate Lennon/C Ellis as prospects all we like but Yarran atm is far superior.

Here's 11 and I didn't even consider Lennon, ellis C or McIntosh

1.   Rance
2.   Lids
3.   Martin
4.   Jack
5.   Cotchin
6.   Maric
7.   Edwards
8.   Miles
9.   Vlastuin
10.   Grimes
11.   Houli

Houli  not even close

Houli has finished in the top 10 in the B&F for 5 years straight big tone.
By the clubs' and most reasonable people's measure, that would make him a Top 10 player at the club.

[(•))(©™]

He's ok the Bach

[big tone]

Who's ahead of him regarding those 12 players? After our top 7 or 8, it gets very thin very fast.

We can rate Lennon/C Ellis as prospects all we like but Yarran atm is far superior.

Here's 11 and I didn't even consider Lennon, ellis C or McIntosh

1.   Rance
2.   Lids
3.   Martin
4.   Jack
5.   Cotchin
6.   Maric
7.   Edwards
8.   Miles
9.   Vlastuin
10.   Grimes
11.   Houli

Houli  not even close

Houli has finished in the top 10 in the B&F for 5 years straight big tone.
By the clubs' and most reasonable people's measure, that would make him a Top 10 player at the club.

The club also rates Grigg, Astbury Conca, Ellis and Griff so go figure.....
Jackson also won a B&F....
And Richo only won one.....

Also WP didn't have Houli in his top 10 after all his top 10 finishes. Does that make him unreasonable?

WP's list is a pretty decent core group of players, but it's the likes of Houli and Ellis who run around getting cheap kicks that impresses some people but it's about what they don't do that makes them hurt the players WP mentioned.

Anyway just my opinion.

And for the record it's not Houli's fault he is played as a backman either, which he is clearly not, it's the coaches. I could maybe handle if he was playing on a wing or half forward if his first objective was to kick a goal or set one up, but as a backman IMO his first objective is to stop his man which he finds nearly impossible to do against a decent side.

And lastly I think Yarran is twice the footballer as Houli. I've seen way to many Carlton games over the last 5 years as I go to the footy with my older brother who is a Carlton flog 

Yarran could be anything IMO and I'm willing to give him a chance to prove it. I've seen enough of him to have the confidence to think that.
If he gets his head right he could be top 6 at the club or better.

I hope for all our sakes I'm right. 

[Stalin]

Best and fairest are a load if cod whollop

Not a measuring stick

[mightytiges]

You would hope that an experienced footballer that costs you a top 20 pick would at least be in your top 25 players. Otherwise, why bother recruiting him ahead of a top 20 kid.

[Dougeytherichmondfan]

You would hope that an experienced footballer that costs you a top 20 pick would at least be in your top 25 players. Otherwise, why bother recruiting him ahead of a top 20 kid.

Don't think there's any serious debate as to if he's in our starting line up. More along the lines of where does he rank amongst our current starters.