Controversial topic #2 - Flag debate

[1965]

Thanks for the link and clarification that wars have been fought, the country has been represented by and international competitions have been won with that flag since '54 

You need to also re-read my post in regards to the anthem for the subjective nature of my opinion and why I think that way.

Military ensigns are often different for every nation too, doofus.

You said "Blood has been spilled and victories have been won for that flag."

And now it's about " international competitions"

Wrong again, it is the green and gold that represents Australia not the blue ensign.

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[dwaino]

Give it up grandad, I said victories mostly in reference to sporting achievements as we haven't really won anything by storming beaches. It was a generalisation, sorry for not copy and pasting my opinion and being precise about it. Put your glasses back on if you've never seen the flag flown at a competition   

[1965]

Give it up grandad, I said victories mostly in reference to sporting achievements as we haven't really won anything by storming beaches. It was a generalisation, sorry for not copy and pasting my opinion and being precise about it. Put your glasses back on if you've never seen the flag flown at a competition 

 

No problems I will accept your backtracking.

Personally I'm a fan of the Union Jack, it's own history, and the history we inherit by carrying it. It's where we as a country have come from and an identity I would personally not like to forfeit.

More people that have come from other countries than from the country with the Union Jack.

Fact (Hi Jackstar).

and the Union Jack is actually three flags combined.

Maybe our new flag should combine all the flags that represent where our people have come from not just those from Great Britain.

Or maybe something entirely new.

 

[🏅Dooks]

Thoughts?

[1965]

Thoughts?

Make the green black and the blue ochre (desert sand colour) and I'm with you.

[Francois Jackson]

Personally I'm a fan of the Union Jack, it's own history, and the history we inherit by carrying it. It's where we as a country have come from and an identity I would personally not like to forfeit.

But Australia has long had its own history and identity separate from that of the UK. We're all not Anglos  . As an Australian-born with mixed ancestries but who sees himself as Australian and only Australian, the Union Jack means nothing to me other than it's a flag of a foreign country.

Furthermore, it's modern historical revisionism to claim the Union Jack is on our flag for "heritage" reasons (I know this is now taught in schools but it doesn't make it any less baseless and simply untrue). The Union Jack is there because it had to be when the flag was first created. No non-British ensign design would've been allowed to win the 1901 flag competition. Our current flag is simply a blue British ensign with stars added as local symbols (i.e. 'defaced') as was required within the British Empire back then. Britain was our superior and we were subservient to Britain, which is what the Union Jack in the canton represents (a standard rule in vexillology). All colonies/dominions of the British Empire were required to have one of these 'defaced' British ensign flags (mainly to identify where merchant ships came from). Canada, India, South Africa, NZ, Kenya, etc ... (a quarter of the land mass of the Earth) all had a 'defaced' British ensign flag too but virtually all have since changed their flag to one of their own.

In 2015, the British Empire is no more and long gone and Australia has, over the past 114 years, systematically separated itself from Britian (the 1986 Australia Act officially made the UK a foreign country to us). We are no longer ruled over by a foreign country, so the Union Jack should go from our flag's canton and from our flag full stop.

Blood has been spilled and victories have been won for that flag. There will be no tradition if it is just thrown out every generation or two. If the flag is changed I'm sure in another 50 years we will raise the question again because it doesn't mean anything to so many of us that haven't seen it fly for anything meaningful. Take the anthem for example. The majority who want it changed are those who remember singing God Save Our Queen at school. Then there are those of us who have known nothing more than Advance Australia Fair and consider the thought of changing it sacrilege. Sure I'm Anglo (actually more Saxon than Anglo but still) and I couldn't really give a stuff what ethnicity someone has descended from, what Australia considers the UK as or what any other country has done, to me it is a very important part of where this country has come from.

 

[🏅Dooks]

Thoughts?

Make the green black and the blue ochre (desert sand colour) and I'm with you.

Really? What does black, yellow and red(ish) represent other than the colours of the aboriginal flag? Shouldn't we pick a set of colours which best represents a unified Australia rather than a single group?

[Chuck17]

Thoughts?

Make the green black and the blue ochre (desert sand colour) and I'm with you.

It will look like the kangaroo has diarrhoea and is spraying a runny crap

[Mr Magic]

I'd vote for a good design incorporating a kangaroo and the southern cross over that with an English flag on it any day of the week.

[(•))(©™]

Green and gold is crap.

South Africa,Brazil......etc

Imo, a kangaroo is a low iq representation of a floundering nation.

Australia could learn from NZ AND ITS ACCEPTANCE AND ACKNOWLEDEMENT of their indigenous history.

Oz must replace the rubbish stars in the top left corner with
with the aboriginal flag.

Get it right

[Diocletian]

The only flags I care about are Richmond flags. All others are stupid & gay.

[Penelope]

then arn't you just ignoring another part of our history?

To me if the flag is to somehow represent the aborigines, then should it also still incorporate the union jack, after all they are both parts of this countries history?

Personally, I want the Union Jack gone, and the flag design should represent what we are, or what we aspire to, not what we have been.

I'd actually liked the idea of a sprig of wattle with the southern cross, but now it seems the kiwis have beaten us to the punch with that concept.

It's a shame the eureka stockade flag is so heavily associated with the BLF, as that flag and actions associated with it started the ball rolling to Australians being able to vote on our leaders rather than have them appointed by the mother country.

what colors could we use that no one else does?

[Diocletian]

Haha BLF...remember my mate being chased out of a building site on the way to school because he went in and asked if he could have a free Norm....

[Chuck17]

I think replacing the stars with blowflies would be appropriate

[Diocletian]

Adam Goodes head over a rainbow....