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Offline Francois Jackson

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« Reply #1785 on: June 06, 2021, 12:27:37 PM »
he plays on it buddy. I thought exactly the same thing.

He knows we have the biggest supporter base so its his way of staying relevant.

he probably trolls on here like some of you blokes troll through those other rubbish sites.

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« Reply #1786 on: June 06, 2021, 04:52:37 PM »
Easy to cherry pick like Cornes does.

For instance, this should have been a clear free to Jack for not only holding but also third-man in the ruck.

https://twitter.com/Jpana75/status/1401360870127521793

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If Richmond lose the free kick count it’s because they’re undisciplined

If Richmond win the free count it’s unfair and they’re being favoured

Fans hate towards Richmond is now at comical levels that that can’t see the hypocrisy they spew.

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« Reply #1787 on: June 06, 2021, 07:27:23 PM »
In fairness the hate is much like the hate that was bestowed upon the hawks, well it was for me anyway.

The hawks supporters annoyed me the most as they weren't really die hard fans.
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« Reply #1788 on: June 06, 2021, 07:46:08 PM »
Tend to agree, green eyed envy

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« Reply #1789 on: June 07, 2021, 06:56:53 PM »
The 11 non-decisions that prompted calls for a ‘black and white’ six-week rule trial

Video in the link: https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2021-holding-the-ball-essendon-vs-richmond-ben-dixon-confused-rule-change/news-story/03128d32749ac21aaa85fa3355ed4f80


They showed nine incidents in the video which wasn't just an Essendon sook fest. Half were frees not paid to us.

1. Phillips non-disposal in Dusty's tackle.
2. Stringer spun >360 degrees in Houli's tackle.
3. Laverde illegal disposal from Pickett's tackle.
4. Guelfi spun 360 + illegal disposal, tackled by Vlastuin.
5. Dusty tackled and spun >360.
6. Baker tackled immediately after receiving the ball and held in. [ed. Not sure why this one is listed?].
7. Aarts tackled and drops the ball.
8. Grimes tackled and gets no foot contact (illegal disposal).
9. Graham tackled by Cox. Was it high initially? Cox ends up with fist of Graham's jumper at the shoulder.

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« Reply #1790 on: June 08, 2021, 09:06:11 AM »
Gee that Phillips one was bad. Was actually twice HTB!

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« Reply #1791 on: June 10, 2021, 03:56:31 PM »
From SEN:

Umpire Dean Margetts has explained the holding the ball rule, which has caused plenty of consternation among footy fans in recent weeks.

“There’s a lot of different cues for holding the ball,” he said on SEN WA’s Sporting Goss.

“The perfect tackle doesn’t mean it is a free kick. If I haven’t had prior opportunity and I get tackled, all I have to do is make a genuine attempt to handball or kick. If I miss that, it’s play on.

“If there’s no prior opportunity we must then see a genuine attempt to dispose (of the ball). If we see that, it will be play on.”

Specifically touching on some 360 and even 720-degree tackles which were judged as play on, Margetts added: “The rule is, have you had reasonable time?"

“If we deem the 360 to be reasonable time, which I don’t think it is… There was (also) a 720, but it happens really quickly.

“It’s an interpretational decision. My concern is, and I heard a lot of social media after Dreamtime that we might have got a couple of decisions incorrect, but it’s generally the way people want it umpired, not the way umpires are instructed to umpire.

“As I say, there are so many cues. Prior opportunity, illegal disposal, have you dived on the ball, is the tackle legal, and this is all happening in a split second.

“It’s very easy in your comfy chair at home to go, ‘oh, that’s a poor decision’, but I’d love to take people on a little two-minute tour of an AFL game just to get an idea of it. I’m not making excuses for errors, but it is a lot more difficult than what people may think.

“Don’t criticise the umpire because we’re educated and we’re paid to get it right.”

The veteran umpire also gave an insight into the officiating of the incorrect disposal rule.

“It must be an illegal disposal, so that’s a clenched fist or anything below the knee,” he said further.

“It’s the prior opportunity or no prior opportunity that comes into it. If I’ve picked up the ball and had a bounce and then I get tackled, if I get even a little toe to it, that’s deemed a legal disposal.

“To the people in the back row at Optus, they’re going that’s holding the ball, but he’s still actually physically kicked the ball.

“If it misses my boot, 100 per cent that’s holding the ball. What people forget is a little ‘clenched-fister’ is actually a legal disposal. You can’t pay a free kick for that.”

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/06/10/umpire-margetts-explains-holding-the-ball-rule-following-dreamtime-confusion/

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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #1792 on: June 10, 2021, 04:27:17 PM »
What the?

Can someone please explain what the hell Margetts is talking about  :-\



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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #1793 on: June 10, 2021, 08:29:36 PM »
What a stuffwit

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« Reply #1794 on: June 10, 2021, 10:26:26 PM »
There’s a lot of different cues for holding the ball,” he said on SEN WA’s Sporting Goss.

……“The perfect tackle doesn’t mean it is a free kick. If I haven’t had prior opportunity and I get tackled, all I have to do is make a genuine attempt to handball or kick. If I miss that, it’s play on.

If there’s no prior opportunity we must then see a genuine attempt to dispose (of the ball). If we see that, it will be play on.”


……. “As I say, there are so many cues. Prior opportunity, illegal disposal, have you dived on the ball, is the tackle legal, and this is all happening in a split second.

…….It’s the prior opportunity or no prior opportunity that comes into it. If I’ve picked up the ball and had a bounce and then I get tackled, if I get even a little toe to it, that’s deemed a legal disposal.


I rest my case!  :rollin

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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #1795 on: June 13, 2021, 10:51:25 PM »
So which was worse - the dangerous tackle call against Pickett or Ryan's 10 metre kick to Kennedy being called a mark? :banghead
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« Reply #1796 on: June 13, 2021, 10:59:51 PM »
A tie between us and the umps for dumb decisions and execution of them. The umps were biased and shocking but we still should have won. 

Pickett's "dangerous tackle" call has to be one of the worst umpiring decisions ever made. I wonder if we will get a worthless apology now during the week like Brisbane and Geelong did ::).
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« Reply #1797 on: June 13, 2021, 11:03:16 PM »
Umps were crap both ways tonight. Let plenty go uncalled

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« Reply #1798 on: June 13, 2021, 11:09:06 PM »
Agree but we copped the crap ones when it most mattered.... :shh
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« Reply #1799 on: June 13, 2021, 11:19:23 PM »
That dangerous tackle call was rubbish and laughable. If they don’t apologise it will be an absolute disgrace.
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