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Re: Matty White [merged]
« Reply #495 on: October 04, 2013, 10:10:19 PM »
I'll take that as a no then?

why is it you feel that your statements, made with such conviction, cannot be held up to question?
i believe this nonsense started on the
How did you rate our 2013 season thread. It was then bought over here to this thread. i suggest anyone who wants to see what this about go over there and have a look i stand by everything ive said.

i reckon on both threads ive answeerd all questions. explained how simple it is to cut 8 - 10  with examples. nowhere have i said every pick will be an upgrade or should be an upgrade those unrealistic words are yours and yeahrights.

after some comments i made yeahright asked how do you cut 8-10 players and upgrade on them all.

to which at the start of my reply  i said , at the end of the day duds are duds.
making an attempt to get better players and failing is better than doing nothing. i reckon few comments have summed up better  exactly where i was coming from. yet they are ignored.
im not the one who has had the unrealistic and down right silly notion that every pick and player we take will be an upgrade.
but i do think a good process would be for us to cut the players ive mentioned and go thru a similar procees as ive suggested how many times now.

ive been asked a similar question 3 times now on two threads and every time i have replied on what we can do. ive had the decency to reply and actually read and try to take in the whole of whats been said. i cant say that for others.

for those who have a mind go over to that thread  and see who has got his knickers in a knot and whos been unreasonable.

ffs i want us to use 4  nd picks how can i say any of those picks will be upgrades. i want us to use 4 nd picks as a minimum every yr. i do this knowing one or two are likely to fail.  thats the nature of the nd. every club does similar.
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i want us to cut 3 rookies maybe 4 depending. if we cant bring in better skilled rookies than lonergan, verrier, and petterd  and if we get a decent 2nd ruck stephenson, we should just quit. will the players be upgrades who is to say. if they have better skills and better physical attributes and have performed  they will be a better chance of becoming afl standard players.

i also hope we do 1 trade  one or two  f/a  or maybe a psd if we do one f/a. ive mentioned chapman jolly laidler for starters. replacing nahas derickx mcguane, white gone to port tuck retired theres 5 alreaqdy gone. 

all ican say is ive kindly answered your questions every time and you refuse acknowledge what has been said instead focusing on what you want me to say.

i will say again i am not the one insisting every pick or player we use will be an upgrade. i will argue though when we have  so many below standard players it is indeed better to try new players and maybe even fail with a few  than hang onto players who dont even have a basic skill set to play afl.

now ive answered again im over the nit picking or the selective choosing of parts of posts now stuff of.

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Re: Matty White [merged]
« Reply #496 on: October 04, 2013, 10:43:23 PM »
well sorry to disapoint ya claw, but i'm gunna highlight one part of your post.
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making an attempt to get better players and failing is better than doing nothing.

because i feel this is a pretty straight forward statement that cant really mean too much different from how it reads, and is the crux of the issue.

if you need to replace 8-10 blokes in one hit, you will be using 3-4 ND picks after pick 20. The likely hood of getting a 100 game player from these picks is around 30%, and some of the players that have made up the 30% that do get to 100 games have been average, including the 2 that left today. This figure also includes players who have not played the 100 games at the original club that drafted them, further reducing the odds.

So in your list management you are knowingly replacing average players with outright duds (not all, but some), going backwards and risk leaving yourself in the situation we were two years ago when injuries hit you have nothing but raw, untried players to try to fill the void.

The alternative is to cut the hacks over a period of time, so you are more likely to be replacing them with true upgrades.

A club coming off a 3-4 win season may be in a position to cut 10 players, but not a club that has made a steady rise up the ladder to play finals, unless you can get a large number of FAs.

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Re: Matty White [merged]
« Reply #497 on: October 04, 2013, 10:47:08 PM »
There you go then, pity we cant get compensation for him.... :-\

Maybe we should of looked at a trade last year....we didn't did we??

Compensation is largely based on recent form.  Maybe that's why he was named Most Improved?

Just sayin'.   :whistle
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Re: Matty White [merged]
« Reply #498 on: October 04, 2013, 10:54:15 PM »
based on both, i believe.
it is also based on net loss over the FA period.
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Re: Matty White [merged]
« Reply #499 on: October 04, 2013, 11:31:51 PM »
well sorry to disapoint ya claw, but i'm gunna highlight one part of your post.
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making an attempt to get better players and failing is better than doing nothing.

because i feel this is a pretty straight forward statement that cant really mean too much different from how it reads, and is the crux of the issue.

if you need to replace 8-10 blokes in one hit, you will be using 3-4 ND picks after pick 20. The likely hood of getting a 100 game player from these picks is around 30%, and some of the players that have made up the 30% that do get to 100 games have been average, including the 2 that left today. This figure also includes players who have not played the 100 games at the original club that drafted them, further reducing the odds.

So in your list management you are knowingly replacing average players with outright duds (not all, but some), going backwards and risk leaving yourself in the situation we were two years ago when injuries hit you have nothing but raw, untried players to try to fill the void.

The alternative is to cut the hacks over a period of time, so you are more likely to be replacing them with true upgrades.

A club coming off a 3-4 win season may be in a position to cut 10 players, but not a club that has made a steady rise up the ladder to play finals, unless you can get a large number of FAs.

no matter where we go here we disagree.  im coming from the premise we have 18 to 20 players atm of varying ages and experience who you could call below standard. cuttin 8 is needed and should be tried if possible.
no half of the players i want to trade take in nd f/a rookie are mature. chapman jolly mirra cain laidler as the examples ive given are 21 and older id expect senior footy out of them all. i certainly expect them all to be upgrades on the senior players we have delisted.
last yr it wasnt hard to come up with moloney sam dwyer kyle martin stefan martin and hannath all mature and then use the 4 nd picks we used.
imo keeping blokes like mcguane and white for 8 yrs is the reason why we have only played finals once in the last 13 yrs.
the real gripe with all of the ones i want out is they fail abysmally with skill set or physical attributes or consistent performance or in some cases all 3. its that simple.

i certainly disagree that my scenario would be  replacing average players with duds. we are replacing duds apart from tuck  and hopefully finding if we take 8 new players 4 or 5 upo to standard players. of course we will fail with nd and some trades. going by the averages 40% will fail. but if we find just 2 decent players who can play well in finals  we are in front imo.



tuck white and mcguane are gone no matter what, we havent had to make a call on them. id have no problem  and most wouldnt  have a problem making a call on nahas derickx  thats 5 from the list proper. chop 3 rookies and some of them are terrible.
lets say.

na bugger it lets just say we are not going to agree it all comes down to how you rate the list, for me it shallow with far too much reliance on too few, and the players, we just have too many non performers and below standard players. not many agree with me on both counts.  i will say though i will voice what i think on what we should do  as far as delistings and new faces go.

im over this debate so just let it be. lets move on. it sometimes feels lioke your being hounded for no other reason than your opinion is different.


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Re: Matty White [merged]
« Reply #500 on: October 04, 2013, 11:50:35 PM »
There you go then, pity we cant get compensation for him.... :-\

Maybe we should of looked at a trade last year....we didn't did we??

Compensation is largely based on recent form.  Maybe that's why he was named Most Improved?

Just sayin'.   :whistle
It's actually based on size of contract they got, takes all the pee and wind out of it

If that's the case you can say good by to pick 11 then and you'll see Salem running around in Black and White Stripes next year instead of the yellow Sash!
The size of the new contract makes no difference at all, it's based on recent form, current contract and personal awards I.E B&F finishes, Brownlow votes ect.

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Re: Matty White [merged]
« Reply #501 on: October 04, 2013, 11:55:09 PM »
Think White getting most improved is a bit embarrassing.

Guys been here for 8 years and ended up being out cliche sub. Thinking about that for a 2nd how on earth is he most improved?

Brandon Ellis should have won it. Rance, Jackson even Houli developed more than White did in my opinion. White started the year as a fringe player and ended the same way. If fit he wouldn't have played in the final ahead of Foley who missed out.

Seems a strange award when you think about it. No doubt he had a good year by his standards but think we may be trying to top up a compo pick here.
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Re: Matty White [merged]
« Reply #502 on: October 05, 2013, 06:49:13 PM »
Caecilius est in atrium and he's not happy! >:(
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Re: Matty White [merged]
« Reply #503 on: October 05, 2013, 07:14:45 PM »
i believe this nonsense started on the
How did you rate our 2013 season thread. It was then bought over here to this thread. i suggest anyone who wants to see what this about go over there and have a look i stand by everything ive said.


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« Reply #504 on: October 06, 2013, 01:43:45 PM »
Caecilius est in atrium and he's not happy! >:(
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Re: Matty White [merged]
« Reply #505 on: October 06, 2013, 01:45:10 PM »
another thread along with the coburg bollocks to move from richmond rant

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Re: Matty White [merged]
« Reply #506 on: October 06, 2013, 05:35:28 PM »
Caecilius est in atrium and he's not happy! >:(

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« Reply #508 on: January 21, 2014, 10:04:42 PM »
Whats with the stadium graphic in the background of their website?
Looks absolutely horrendous. AFL live 2003 styles.  :shh

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« Reply #509 on: January 21, 2014, 10:13:07 PM »
Whats with the stadium graphic in the background of their website?
Looks absolutely horrendous. AFL live 2003 styles.  :shh

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