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Re: Staff and Chaff gone; Gas and Kellaway may follow
« Reply #90 on: September 07, 2006, 09:17:38 AM »
If he wasn't right FF then Chubba did do the right thing. I've heard the latter too.

Id be urging our supporters to not run down our players. Players like Schulz, Tuck and Krakouer can have tremendous value to us...lets not trash our assets. Would you trash your house! Look at them like a house. The aim is to get a better house. How do you do that. By spruiking it up as a great investment and passing it off to the highest bidder. ;D

LOL. Today the house trashed itself  :P.

Krak probably increased his value as we had no crumbers/numbers at the fall of the ball all day. On the other hand Tucky has lowered his over the second half of the year. Not sure if he is carrying a leg injury or something but he looks very slow lately. Sarge needs to get fit to lead and lead for a whole game otherwise he'll be gone within 12 months.


MT when you say "Tucky has lowered his over the second half of the year" would this time frame start when Cogs went down??

Just thinking Tuck was under more pressure without Cogs

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Re: White Line Fever - Chubba gone
« Reply #91 on: September 07, 2006, 01:21:57 PM »
A caller asked why Gas was kept instead of Kellaway and Tezza said we have a number of 3rd talls whereas Gas plays KP.
   

So does that mean that Tezza is saying Ray Hall is a better option down back for us than Chubba?

Sorry folks I'm still trying to get my head around this  :help
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Re: White Line Fever - Chubba gone
« Reply #92 on: September 07, 2006, 02:09:49 PM »
A caller asked why Gas was kept instead of Kellaway and Tezza said we have a number of 3rd talls whereas Gas plays KP.
   

So does that mean that Tezza is saying Ray Hall is a better option down back for us than Chubba?

Sorry folks I'm still trying to get my head around this  :help

more courage no
better runner ......yes
better and longer kick.....yes
decision maker ..no

but i dont think tezza means hall. i hope they get rid of hall but terry has always stated he has not been able to play hall where he wants to .  i feel , once terry gets his backline sorted out, ray hall if he is still around will will play on the wing, aka burton. hard to match up on a tall running wingman who can kick 60m goals.

we have both bowdens, raines, white, etc players like hartigan and whoever else we pick up to be fast running and linking players out of defence.

i understand totally where terry is coming from and congratulate him for his dedication to the cause. he told the caller his job is to turn the tigers into a successful club! lets face facts, as tiger supporters and our biased minds , we over valuate many of our players and over rate them. facts are facts, we really are a crap team, we have possibily 5 players or so who would get games in good teams elsewhere. its time, we get realistic and not sentimental. sh it we carried players like duncan and many others for far too long because we think they are good!  well duncan was crap, overrated and could not kick, who cares if he had courage he could not play and would have never got a game elsewhere.lets not make these same mistakes with andy and other players.  there have been too many players at rfc get games and did not deserve them.  we dont just want success,  we want to build  a team that has skill flair and competiveness week in week out. in order to achieve this, terry has to get rid of blokes who dont fit the modern footy mould and thats players like chubba!
no one doubts glenn archers courage, but do u think the roos are better off keeping him????no! he will fade away in embarrassing style for playing on too long.  the game has passed him as it has kellaway and terry tried to explain this to him but he wouldnt buy it because as many tiger players , they believe the crap that most of us think about them. if our players were as good as we think they are, we would have been a force yrs ago.
its time to go chubba, and stop sooking, better players than you have been told to go forth

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Re: Staff and Chaff gone; Gas and Kellaway may follow
« Reply #93 on: September 07, 2006, 03:49:25 PM »
So it looks certain.

Are we going to attempt to trade?

Apparently not, from what i've read.

Greg Miller says in the Herald-Sun today that we are not going to trade Kellaway:

Tigers cut Kellaway
07 September 2006   Herald-Sun
Bruce Matthews

POPULAR defender Andrew Kellaway has played his last game for Richmond.

A devastated Kellaway was not offered a new contract when the Tigers completed their senior list review yesterday. But fellow backman Darren Gaspar was thrown a lifeline, receiving a one-year deal.

Kellaway was the major casualty after coach Terry Wallace interviewed each player during the past three days.

The 2000 best-and-fairest winner has instructed manager Ricky Nixon to approach other clubs.

"There's not a spot for him at Richmond. He believes he can still play on and he has asked me to investigate those possibilities," Nixon said.

"So we'll assess that over the next four weeks up until the trade period."

Richmond said yesterday it didn't expect an announcement on Kellaway's future until the October 31 deadline for playing lists.

"I don't think it's a case of them wanting to trade him, it's more a case of them wanting to put him into retirement," Nixon said.

Tigers football director Greg Miller said Kellaway was held in the highest esteem at Punt Rd and would not be used as trade bait.

"We explained to Andrew that it's going to be very difficult for him. As good as he has been for this club, we don't want to see him playing at (VFL affiliate) Coburg," Miller said.

Kellaway played 15 games this season, but he missed the last six rounds after tearing a hamstring while surfing.

The defender wasn't playing when the Tigers suffered two of their three 100-point plus whippings. And he had 23 disposals in the three-point victory against Adelaide at Telstra Dome in Round 8.

Nixon said Kellaway, who turns 31 in November, believed he could play for one or two more seasons. And he wouldn't rule out moving interstate.

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Re: Staff and Chaff gone; Gas and Kellaway may follow
« Reply #94 on: September 07, 2006, 03:54:03 PM »
Why not trade bait, not worth much, but somethings better than nothing, just stick him in the pile with 3 or 4 others I wanna send to North for pick 3 lol

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Re: Staff and Chaff gone; Gas and Kellaway may follow
« Reply #95 on: September 07, 2006, 03:56:29 PM »
what happened to ur scarlett thread RT
why not trade chubba for scarlett lol :thumbsup

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Re: Staff and Chaff gone; Gas and Kellaway may follow
« Reply #96 on: September 07, 2006, 03:58:14 PM »
I dont wanna hogg the limelight in here lol ...you put up the scarlett thread. gotta say it was a decent spray from the 27 yo full back lol.

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Re: White Line Fever - Chubba gone
« Reply #97 on: September 07, 2006, 04:44:25 PM »
A caller asked why Gas was kept instead of Kellaway and Tezza said we have a number of 3rd talls whereas Gas plays KP.
   

So does that mean that Tezza is saying Ray Hall is a better option down back for us than Chubba?

Sorry folks I'm still trying to get my head around this  :help

Razor is contracted while Chubba isn't/wasn't. Razor can also as back-up play CHB.

Chubba was offered the game on Saturday and said no. He thinks he can play on yet the club thinks not and believes he will languish at Coburg. He'll nominate for the draft apparently (not sure which one) as a result. He's out of contract so he can walk. The club wants to move forward and believes we have some outstanding kids for next year and beyond. The backline next year will have around 12-14 other (presumably better in the club's view as far as skill, run and rebound) options so the club doesn't believe we need Kellaway. Basically what the Herald-Sun said today.
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Re: Staff and Chaff gone; Gas and Kellaway may follow
« Reply #98 on: September 07, 2006, 04:50:36 PM »
If he wasn't right FF then Chubba did do the right thing. I've heard the latter too.

Id be urging our supporters to not run down our players. Players like Schulz, Tuck and Krakouer can have tremendous value to us...lets not trash our assets. Would you trash your house! Look at them like a house. The aim is to get a better house. How do you do that. By spruiking it up as a great investment and passing it off to the highest bidder. ;D

LOL. Today the house trashed itself  :P.

Krak probably increased his value as we had no crumbers/numbers at the fall of the ball all day. On the other hand Tucky has lowered his over the second half of the year. Not sure if he is carrying a leg injury or something but he looks very slow lately. Sarge needs to get fit to lead and lead for a whole game otherwise he'll be gone within 12 months.


MT when you say "Tucky has lowered his over the second half of the year" would this time frame start when Cogs went down??

Just thinking Tuck was under more pressure without Cogs

Agree Gracie that Tuck would have had more workload placed on him in Cogs' absence but he looked terribly slow in the legs towards the end of the year. That's why I was asking if he was carrying an injury. You can't afford to have slow midfielders in modern footy.
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Re: White Line Fever - Chubba gone
« Reply #99 on: September 07, 2006, 04:58:44 PM »
A caller asked why Gas was kept instead of Kellaway and Tezza said we have a number of 3rd talls whereas Gas plays KP.
   

So does that mean that Tezza is saying Ray Hall is a better option down back for us than Chubba?

Sorry folks I'm still trying to get my head around this  :help

Razor is contracted while Chubba isn't/wasn't. Razor can also as back-up play CHB.

Chubba was offered the game on Saturday and said no. He thinks he can play on yet the club thinks not and believes he will languish at Coburg. He'll nominate for the draft apparently (not sure which one) as a result. He's out of contract so he can walk. The club wants to move forward and believes we have some outstanding kids for next year and beyond. The backline next year will have around 12-14 other (presumably better in the club's view as far as skill, run and rebound) options so the club doesn't believe we need Kellaway. Basically what the Herald-Sun said today.

I would think we are not going to offer him around. If he finds a club that would play him then he either enters the preseason draft and gets picked up by that club or the club comes to a low cost draft exchange with the Tigers. As I see it Kellaway has to find the other club himself.

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Re: White Line Fever - Chubba gone
« Reply #100 on: September 07, 2006, 05:11:29 PM »
A caller asked why Gas was kept instead of Kellaway and Tezza said we have a number of 3rd talls whereas Gas plays KP.
   

So does that mean that Tezza is saying Ray Hall is a better option down back for us than Chubba?

Sorry folks I'm still trying to get my head around this  :help

Razor is contracted while Chubba isn't/wasn't. Razor can also as back-up play CHB.

Chubba was offered the game on Saturday and said no. He thinks he can play on yet the club thinks not and believes he will languish at Coburg. He'll nominate for the draft apparently (not sure which one) as a result. He's out of contract so he can walk. The club wants to move forward and believes we have some outstanding kids for next year and beyond. The backline next year will have around 12-14 other (presumably better in the club's view as far as skill, run and rebound) options so the club doesn't believe we need Kellaway. Basically what the Herald-Sun said today.

I would think we are not going to offer him around. If he finds a club that would play him then he either enters the preseason draft and gets picked up by that club or the club comes to a low cost draft exchange with the Tigers. As I see it Kellaway has to find the other club himself.

Agree Gracie Chubba will need to find another club himself. I think we will delist him and then he'll put his name up for both the National and PS drafts. Remember if you trade for a pick you have to pick up a player with it in the draft. You can't pass. That's why we didn't exchange a 4th round pick with the dogs last year for Paddy. We gave them our 4th round pick and declined theirs. We possibly could get a 4th rounder for Kellaway if we wanted to but we may not want it if it ends up being say our 6th or 7th pick in the draft after further trades.
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Why I made the tough call on Andy Kellaway
« Reply #101 on: September 07, 2006, 06:03:32 PM »
by Terry Wallace

I believe good AFL clubs are open in their decision-making process with their loyal supporters, which is why I want to take this opportunity on our website to explain the Andy Kellaway situation to the Tiger faithful . . .

Firstly, let me state that I fully realise there are a number of Richmond fans who disagree with the decision we’ve made in not offering Andy a new contract and suggesting he retire. I can assure you it’s never easy telling a player and person of Andy’s calibre that you feel their time is up.

When I took over as Richmond’s coach two years ago, I was charged with the responsibility of turning around the direction of the team, which had suffered 14 losses in-a-row and was roundly criticised for being too slow, too old, and sorely lacking in the skill department.

The responsibility that goes with the territory means difficult decisions occasionally have to be made in order to make progress. And, the AFL rules also force your hand on some of these tough decisions because each year there have to be changes made to your list.

 
Over the past couple of years, we’ve made a lot of changes to our list, cutting most of the players we felt couldn’t take us to the next level and bringing an exciting group of youngsters into the mix.

With the new breed coming through, plus a collection of good, older players, we think we’re starting to assemble a playing list capable of achieving some long-awaited sustained success at Tigerland. But the league’s rules state that you still have to turn over your list each year, and that’s certainly a much harder task for us at the end of the ’06 season than it has been at any other time since I became coach.

You have to decide whether to make the hard call on senior players – or on kids, who may have been in the system for only a couple of years and are yet to properly mature. The fact is that you could be throwing away your future by letting these youngsters go before they have been given sufficient opportunity to prove themselves.

At the end of 2004, we were faced with such a decision, having to choose between an older player, Tim Fleming, and a younger one, Shane Tuck. We went with ‘Tucky’ and have been very happy with that decision. As a coach, my preference is to back the kids in, because I am convinced that’s the best way to rebuild. I believe if you’re not making those sort of decisions, you’re not truly developing your list.

In Andy Kellaway’s case, we saw him as competing for a senior spot next year against young players such as Brett Deledio, Andrew Raines, Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls, Matty White and Dean Polo, along with more seasoned campaigners in the Bowden brothers and Chris Newman. When you also have the likes of the taller Will Thursfield (returning from his knee reconstruction) and Darren Gaspar to add to our defence, you can see that we have quite a few options back there and competition for places is going to be strong.

Let me just clarify that it’s not – and never has been – a Kellaway v Gaspar contest. That’s not fair on Darren, who’s been a teammate and good mate of Andy’s over the past decade. Darren, who has been offered a new one-year contract with the Club, is a key-position player in defence, while Andy has played a third man in role at half-back. He hasn’t lined up on the opposition’s tall forwards for several years now.

Yes, I’ve gone on record as saying that we were a better side with Andy in the backline – and no-one could doubt his wonderful bravery and the excellent contribution he has made to the Club throughout his league career. Time, however, stands still for no-one, and with Andy turning 31 at the end of the year, I believe retirement is in his best interests.

I didn’t want such a respected figure as him to spend most of next season playing in the VFL and getting increasingly frustrated with that. Far better, in my opinion, to make the hard call now, rather than letting it fester.

Richmond, of course, is not the only club to make these difficult decisions on stalwarts. Just today, Brisbane announced it was parting company with triple premiership ruckman Clark Keating, and that surely wouldn’t have been an easy decision for the Lions to make.

I also well recall the publicity surrounding Malcolm Blight’s ‘sacking’ of Adelaide champions Chris McDermott, Tony McGuinness and Andrew Jarman, not long after becoming coach of the Crows in the late 1990s. ‘Blighty’ just wanted to get the next generation up and going at Adelaide as quickly as possible – and history shows how successful he was . . .

As far as I’m concerned, it’s all about developing our next group of players, who can help restore this Club to it rightful place, as a force to be reckoned with in the AFL competition.

I have nothing but respect and admiration for the Kellaway family. Andy and his older brother Duncan, have been favorites of the Richmond fans for many years due to their courage and commitment to the cause.

This is purely a football disagreement with Andy. He believes he should play on with the Tigers, and I believe he should retire. There’s certainly nothing personal involved.

I had a beer with Andy on ‘Mad Monday’ this week and told him I’d see him next day at the Club for a chat about his playing future. He is still comfortable being around the Club and there is no animosity at all. It’s simply a matter of differing opinions on where he’s at in his league career.

All I can do is put forward my views and leave it to Andy to decide which way he goes – whether he retires, or plays on at another AFL club.

I had a similar situation at the Bulldogs a few years ago when I thought the time had come for Paul Hudson to hang up his boots. Paul disagreed, left the Dogs and signed a two-year deal with Richmond. To this day, I still believe I was right in my call on Paul’s league future and, even though we disagreed on that, we have always maintained a good relationship.

Given that Andy has indicated he wants his manager to sound out other league clubs so he can continue to play at the game’s highest level, I don’t want to go into the specific football reasons why I believe his time as a player at Tigerland is up. To me, that would be totally disrespectful to him.

I would have loved for Andy to have agreed to play a farewell game, which was offered to him last Saturday, but he declined.

All I hope now is that Andy makes the right decision on his future. I wish him luck and thank him for everything he’s done for the Richmond Football Club.

http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=296015

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Re: Staff and Chaff gone; Gas and Kellaway may follow
« Reply #102 on: September 07, 2006, 06:05:56 PM »
Even though i dont agree with the decision to cut Chubba, i am pleased that Wallace has written this article to explain himself and give reasons to why the decision was made.

Well done RFC on this  :thumbsup

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Re: Staff and Chaff gone; Gas and Kellaway may follow
« Reply #103 on: September 07, 2006, 06:22:18 PM »
I support the decision and agree with the points Terry makes in his article but IMO I think some supporters have a problem with the decision because Kellaway's name is the first to get chopped ahead of more obvious names, although that's only because Plough was expecting Chubba to agree to retire along with Staff and Chaff in last Saturday's farewell game. It's got a bit messy because Chubba and Wallace disagreed over his future. By the end of 2009 Wallace has to have our list in top shape so the final word is his call IMO. It's his head or the players.

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Re: Why I made the tough call on Andy Kellaway
« Reply #104 on: September 07, 2006, 06:45:32 PM »
by Terry Wallace

I would have loved for Andy to have agreed to play a farewell game, which was offered to him last Saturday, but he declined.


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andy has lost me! u sook. thought u were tough! sorry andy , u r not bigger than the rfc!

terry does not need to explain himself as he did, we all know and understand his reasons.

its about time tiger fans realise we are closer to being a pathetic team than a gr8 team, thus terry has to make these calls so we dont become pathetic again