Staff and Chaff gone; Gas and Kellaway may follow

[mightytiges]

what happened to ur scarlett thread RT
why not trade chubba for scarlett lol

I think Scarlett's comments today were more of a case of the player(s) thinking they are bigger than the club. I think Chubba still has AFL footy in him at least at a club that needs a third tall defender (Carl, Ess, Hawks and even the Saints) but he isn't in our future so Wallace has made the right call.

[Fishfinger]

andy has lost me! u sook. thought u were tough! sorry andy , u r not bigger than the rfc!

If my boss tapped me on the shoulder when I didn't think I was finished, I'd look elsewhere.

Reckon I'd winge about it too. 

[Bulluss]

Totally agree FF.

X, i think it is below the belt you calling Kellaway a sook. He has been a great servant of the club, you cant dispute that.

[WilliamPowell]

Even though i dont agree with the decision to cut Chubba, i am pleased that Wallace has written this article to explain himself and give reasons to why the decision was made.

Well done RFC on this 

 

Agree Bull - totally agree

I support the decision and agree with the points Terry makes in his article but IMO I think some supporters have a problem with the decision because Kellaway's name is the first to get chopped ahead of more obvious names, although that's only because Plough was expecting Chubba to agree to retire along with Staff and Chaff in last Saturday's farewell game. It's got a bit messy because Chubba and Wallace disagreed over his future. By the end of 2009 Wallace has to have our list in top shape so the final word is his call IMO. It's his head or the players.

True MT - I think it's because his name is out there and because of the way it's been handled. Seriously you'd like to know how it got leaked to Rohan Conolly last week.

X - I agree with some if your comments earlier about the Club making tough decisions - you are absolutely right these.

But to call Andy Kellaway a sook is unfair. Here's a bloke who had a chance to play last week and chose for the better of the team not too because he didn't think he was 100% right. Exactly where has he sooked? I haven't heard one word from Chubba Kellaway, heard from his manager Mr Positive Ricky Nixon  but haven't heard a word from Chubba

Courageous and fantastic club man? Absolutely

Sook? No way

[letsgetiton!]

i never said chubba was never courageous, but he knows the reasons why he is no longer required and he is being a selfish sook about it. he was offered a send off game and never took it because he thought he was better and deserved better. imo archer is courageous, but he is a sook too. remember when snake fended his face off, how he siooked and carried on to the umpire!! well chubba is being a sook, he could have accepted his send off and taken his coaches advice.

if he thinks he would get a game else where he is dreaming. chubba wont be picked up in any draft . he has nothing to offer modern day footy anymore. yes he was gr8 in his hay day and was ok even til now, but for the team to become successful in the modern era, he is not required

[mightytiges]

I support the decision and agree with the points Terry makes in his article but IMO I think some supporters have a problem with the decision because Kellaway's name is the first to get chopped ahead of more obvious names, although that's only because Plough was expecting Chubba to agree to retire along with Staff and Chaff in last Saturday's farewell game. It's got a bit messy because Chubba and Wallace disagreed over his future. By the end of 2009 Wallace has to have our list in top shape so the final word is his call IMO. It's his head or the players.

True MT - I think it's because his name is out there and because of the way it's been handled. Seriously you'd like to know how it got leaked to Rohan Conolly last week.

X - I agree with some if your comments earlier about the Club making tough decisions - you are absolutely right these.

But to call Andy Kellaway a sook is unfair. Here's a bloke who had a chance to play last week and chose for the better of the team not too because he didn't think he was 100% right. Exactly where has he sooked? I haven't heard one word from Chubba Kellaway, heard from his manager Mr Positive Ricky Nixon  but haven't heard a word from Chubba

Courageous and fantastic club man? Absolutely

Sook? No way

It doesn't help Chubba that there are two versions of the same story floating around. One that he knocked back playing because he wasn't 100% right and the other that he was right to play. I don't see Kellaway saying a word until he officially leaves if at all. He hasn't be one for media attention throughout his career.

As for Rohan Connolly - it seems stories leak more when there is disagreement over a club decision. A few other Tigers would have been told their future doesn't lie at Punt Rd either but their names aren't in the papers. 

[one-eyed]

Kellaway call defended
08 September 2006   Herald-Sun
Daryl Timms

RICHMOND coach Terry Wallace has defended the decision to sack veteran defender Andrew Kellaway, despite the Tiger wanting to play on.

Wallace said he could understand why some fans disagreed with the club not offering Kellaway a deal, instead suggesting he retire.

Wallace yesterday revealed on the club's website he was disappointed the 30-year-old did not accept an invitation for a farewell game in last week's final clash of the season.

"He had missed six weeks with a hamstring injury and we thought he might like to get himself up and play the last week," Wallace said.

"He trained for two weeks on the track and I had a couple of conversations with him in those last couple of weeks about where he was going and told him I thought it would be in his best interests to retire."

Wallace said the club did not want him competing for a senior spot in 2007 against young players such as Brett Deledio, Andrew Raines, Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls, Matthew White and Dean Polo. Or against more seasoned campaigners in the Bowden brothers, Joel and Patrick, and Chris Newman.

"When you also have the likes of the taller Will Thursfield, returning from his knee reconstruction, and Darren Gaspar to add to our defence you can see that we have quite a few options back there," Wallace said.

Wallace said he wanted to clarify that it was never a Kellaway versus Gaspar contest.

"That's not fair on Darren, who has been a teammate and good mate of Andy's over the past decade," Wallace.

"Darren . . . is a key-position player in defence, while Andy has played a third man-in role at half-back. He hasn't lined up on the opposition's tall forwards for several years now."

Wallace said coaches had to decide whether to make the hard call on senior players or on kids who might have been in the system for only a couple of years and were yet to properly mature.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,20373182%255E19742,00.html

[letsgetiton!]

I support the decision and agree with the points Terry makes in his article but IMO I think some supporters have a problem with the decision because Kellaway's name is the first to get chopped ahead of more obvious names, although that's only because Plough was expecting Chubba to agree to retire along with Staff and Chaff in last Saturday's farewell game. It's got a bit messy because Chubba and Wallace disagreed over his future. By the end of 2009 Wallace has to have our list in top shape so the final word is his call IMO. It's his head or the players.

True MT - I think it's because his name is out there and because of the way it's been handled. Seriously you'd like to know how it got leaked to Rohan Conolly last week.

X - I agree with some if your comments earlier about the Club making tough decisions - you are absolutely right these.

But to call Andy Kellaway a sook is unfair. Here's a bloke who had a chance to play last week and chose for the better of the team not too because he didn't think he was 100% right. Exactly where has he sooked? I haven't heard one word from Chubba Kellaway, heard from his manager Mr Positive Ricky Nixon  but haven't heard a word from Chubba

Courageous and fantastic club man? Absolutely

Sook? No way

As for Rohan Connolly - it seems stories leak more when there is disagreement over a club decision. A few other Tigers would have been told their future doesn't lie at Punt Rd either but their names aren't in the papers. 

spill the beans MT, who are they!!!! if u want , pm them to me and ur word is safe with me........ "omerta!"

[Fluffy Tiger]

I am another that doesn’t agree with this decision. Chubba to me still had a role to play in the bringing though the younger guys.

I don't think 100 point losses teach the young guys anything good and having a guy like Chubba there helped stop these losses.

As far as the competing with the like of Delido, Bowden’s etc,  well Kellaway wasn't really competing with the guys he named. All of those guys were in our top 22 and so was he. There are many other that should go before him.

Stan Elves said something about this on radio in the final week of the season. He could not believe that a RFC would not give Andrew another year for several reasons. 1) Some players are the Glue that keeps the team together by their efforts on the field. He thought Chubba was one of those sort of players (and I agree). 2) Injuries can decimate a side and playing kids before they are ready is not really the answer. Having a guy like Chubba around could be extremely valuable. I also believe this to be true and think we saw this during this season when we had so many injuries.

Anyway it is done, at least they have been open about it (I suppose, can’t really know).

Thanks Chubba, I really do believe the team will miss you. Hope you get a gig elsewhere and show everybody that the game hasn't passed you by yet. Just don't do it against us.

[letsgetiton!]

As far as the competing with the like of Delido, Bowden’s etc,  well Kellaway wasn't really competing with the guys he named. All of those guys were in our top 22 and so was he. There are many other that should go before him.

deledio, raines, B1 and B2, newman,harigan, polo,  JON(when a bit heavier), thursfeild, sugar, are just some blokes chubba is fighting against 4 a spot on the hbf next yr. chubba has no chance cos he is the brightest, nor the fastest not even the best skilled. all he has is courage and thats it. we want to win premierships and terry knows what we have to do to get one.
chubba wont get a game anywhere next yr, players of his ilk and style are finished, the game has moved on

[Jackstar]

As far as the competing with the like of Delido, Bowden’s etc,  well Kellaway wasn't really competing with the guys he named. All of those guys were in our top 22 and so was he. There are many other that should go before him.

deledio, raines, B1 and B2, newman,harigan, polo,  JON(when a bit heavier), thursfeild, sugar, are just some blokes chubba is fighting against 4 a spot on the hbf next yr. chubba has no chance cos he is the brightest, nor the fastest not even the best skilled. all he has is courage and thats it. we want to win premierships and terry knows what we have to do to get one.
chubba wont get a game anywhere next yr, players of his ilk and style are finished, the game has moved on

X. Totally agree !

[Mr Magic]

With all due respect to Chubba, he's at the end.
Iif we had a full list he wouldn't get a look in next year.
Terry wants to give opportunities to players like JON & Casserly next season.

The player involved here needed to be honest with himself.
Very disappointed that he declined his farewell match as it would have been the right way to go out.

Unfortunately, I reckon his manager(Nixon) has got in his ear.

Again with due respect, AK is kidding himself IMHO if he thinks he continue at another club.
I'll be amazed if he plays for an AFL club next year.

[Darth Tiger]

As far as the competing with the like of Delido, Bowden’s etc,  well Kellaway wasn't really competing with the guys he named. All of those guys were in our top 22 and so was he. There are many other that should go before him.

deledio, raines, B1 and B2, newman,harigan, polo,  JON(when a bit heavier), thursfeild, sugar, are just some blokes chubba is fighting against 4 a spot on the hbf next yr. chubba has no chance cos he is the brightest, nor the fastest not even the best skilled. all he has is courage and thats it. we want to win premierships and terry knows what we have to do to get one.
chubba wont get a game anywhere next yr, players of his ilk and style are finished, the game has moved on

On the money X-factor.

Chubba's career accomplishments have far exceeded his perceived natural ability.  RFC B&F and A-A selection in 2000 and 150+ games from a supplementary list player is a sensational career.  The fact is that age, and the pace & skill of AFL in 2007 have over taken Chubba's ware's.

A sensational career for RFC Andy, just not suited to modern footy and RFC for 2007 and beyond.

Would like to see Andy remain a 1-club AFL player, and IMO suggest that Andy would be embarassed if he placed himself in the PSD as it is highly likely that he would be overlooked.

[tiga]

I dunno.....The Saints still have Peckett and Powell in their team. Chubba is a better player than either of them and How Fiora is still getting a game stuffs me. Saints might pick him up I reckon.

[Darth Tiger]

I dunno.....The Saints still have Peckett and Powell in their team. Chubba is a better player than either of them and How Fiora is still getting a game stuffs me. Saints might pick him up I reckon.

Why would the Saints pick him up ?  Thay have got Fischer (good developing player) as the 3rd defensive tall, and Montagna running off a HBF has had his best season replacing A.Jones.

Powell gets his own ball & Peckett has more pace.  Both will probably be gone by 07 (depending on Harvey & Thommo), so couldn't see the Saints adopting a Mark Graham strategy.