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Re: Draft Strategy
« Reply #45 on: June 30, 2007, 10:17:46 AM »
Win tonight and we slip down to pick 3 on current standings behind the Dees and Blues = neither Kreuzer nor Cotchin  :-\.

Even in victory we will still find a way to lose lol...HAHAHAHA.

thats whats wrong with us, we dont do what needs to be done to be successful. After the 2004 national draft we needed to stay at the bottom for the next 2 years and now we would have been laughing but NUP we wanted this so called winning culture. Well lets get fair dinkum...you cant turn poo into gold. thats how it is. Instead of getting quality youngsters we got trapped mid table again...end of story and now we are on the bottom again going no where fast. And for this so called winning culture we may end up winning 3 or 4 more games costing us a priority pick and falling down the draft order.

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Re: Draft Strategy
« Reply #46 on: June 30, 2007, 05:48:14 PM »
Win tonight and we slip down to pick 3 on current standings behind the Dees and Blues = neither Kreuzer nor Cotchin  :-\.

Even in victory we will still find a way to lose lol...HAHAHAHA.

thats whats wrong with us, we dont do what needs to be done to be successful. After the 2004 national draft we needed to stay at the bottom for the next 2 years and now we would have been laughing but NUP we wanted this so called winning culture. Well lets get fair dinkum...you cant turn poohe into gold. thats how it is. Instead of getting quality youngsters we got trapped mid table again...end of story and now we are on the bottom again going no where fast. And for this so called winning culture we may end up winning 3 or 4 more games costing us a priority pick and falling down the draft order.
The problem in 2005 was we didn't have the political and financical stability to tank after all the hoo-ha of 2004. You can just imagine all the off-field idiots calling for blood and sooking over that election result if we were 2-10 in 2005.

Given we have that stability now there are no excuses. Any player carrying an injury should be put in cotton wool. The players won't stop trying their best as we've seen all year given how many close games we've lost but the coach and selectors can manipulate the selected side and experiment with positions on the field for the benefit 2008 and beyond.  We can afford 2 more wins and keep our PP. You don't throw away a chance to get 3 picks in the top 20 when the year is lost anyway. Stupidity of the highest order if we do. The system penalises sides who finish midtable as the RFC knows all too well.
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Re: Draft Strategy
« Reply #47 on: June 30, 2007, 10:00:27 PM »
Melbourne play Carlton next week- itll be interesting to see who wants to do the right thing by the game...and win the game.

Carlton then host Melbourne in R22. The draw is working for us.
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Re: Draft Strategy
« Reply #48 on: June 30, 2007, 11:54:18 PM »
We still need Carlton to win or draw one more. After their two pumpings in a row they don't even look like winning another game for the year  :-\.
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Re: Draft Strategy
« Reply #49 on: June 30, 2007, 11:58:33 PM »
The players won't stop trying their best as we've seen all year given how many close games we've lost but the coach and selectors can manipulate the selected side and experiment with positions on the field for the benefit 2008 and beyond. 
Well done Terry  :whistle  ;)
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Re: Draft Strategy
« Reply #50 on: July 01, 2007, 12:02:44 AM »
Melbourne play Carlton next week- itll be interesting to see who wants to do the right thing by the game...and win the game.

Carlton then host Melbourne in R22. The draw is working for us.
Too bad we don't play Carlton twice to give them a 5th win though if Carlton and Melbourne share the two games they play that will definentely be enough.
If we win 1 more game for the year let it be against Port at the g. Will be Richo's 250th. Hopefully we treat it as our Grand Final.

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Re: Draft Strategy
« Reply #51 on: July 01, 2007, 04:51:06 AM »
The media like comparing us with the Hawks. Well they have said they are going after "recycled" players this year.

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Hawks willing to trade for experienced players
Lyall Johnson | July 1, 2007

AFTER a two-year break from bringing experienced players into the club via the national draft, Hawthorn is this year prepared to trade away draft picks to top up its list.

"Now that we have rectified the TPP (total player payments) position and we believe we've got the foundation of a strong culture emerging, we think we can start to introduce players from outside the club again," Pelchen said.

Full article at: http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/hawks-willing-to-trade-for-experienced-players/2007/06/30/1182624235849.html

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Draft gems harder to find this year (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #52 on: July 06, 2007, 02:10:59 AM »
Draft gems harder to find this year
06 July 2007   Herald Sun
Rebecca Williams

LESS depth than last year, some quality talls at the top and creativity required with later picks.

Those are some of the impressions of this year's batch of draft hopefuls from AFL recruiters as the under-18 national championships hit town.

While last year's crop was widely regarded as the best since the famous 2001 Hodge-Ball-Judd draft, recruiters are not making the same comparisons this year.

A hallmark of last year's draft was its depth, but club scouts are not convinced the talent vein runs as deep in 2007.

Despite these predictions, there are still plenty of plaudits for the kids at the top.

At the moment, most of the hype has surrounded athletic Northern Knights tall Matthew Kreuzer as the likely No. 1 selection, while his teammate, midfielder Trent Cotchin, also has big wraps.

Collingwood recruiting manager Derek Hine rated the standouts as the "big talls at the front", but said the overall depth didn't match 2006.

"Last year's draft ran pretty deep," Hine said.

"I wouldn't have thought at this point in time that it (this year's group) has the depth of last year's draft. But I think everyone will find a player."

Western Bulldogs recruiting manager Scott Clayton agreed the depth was not as strong as last year, but said there would still be rewards late in the draft if clubs were prepared to take a gamble.

"It's probably not (as deep as last year), but it's early days," Clayton said.

"From a quick look, there is probably not the numbers there, but you are going to have to be a bit more creative and look a bit closer."

Geelong recruiting manager Stephen Wells predicted the draft would be very even after the top group, forcing clubs to do their homework for their late picks.

"There will be some outstanding players right at the very top and a good, even bunch after that," he said.

"We'll need to do a lot of work to sort them out."

There were concerns after last year's draft about the strength of the talent pool coming from the AFL's heartland in Victoria.

Only two Vic Metro players - Andrejs Everitt (Western Bulldogs) and Chris Dawes (Collingwood) - featured in the opening two rounds of last year's national draft.

After Vic Metro and Vic Country were well beaten in the opening round of the championships at Subiaco and AAMI Stadium last week, questions have again been raised about the depth in this state.

"It was a surprise that WA beat Vic Metro so easily and the fact that SA beat Vic Country comfortably," one local recruiter said.

"The fact that both Victorian sides lost quite comfortably in the first round of the under-18 national championships is a rare occurrence.

"I think that indicated that maybe the depth in Victoria this year is not as strong as perhaps we hoped it would be.

"But that can all turn around. It's early days."

So, who are the top players bottom clubs Richmond, Melbourne and Carlton will be keeping a keen eye on during the championships?

The name on everyone's lips, the 199cm and 91kg Kreuzer is capable of playing ruck or key forward, but boasts the speed and agility of an onballer.

Cotchin is considered the all-round package as a midfielder with speed, great skills and strong overhead.

South Australian captain Brad Ebert, the nephew of SA champion Russell, is another highly rated and versatile midfielder.

West Australian midfielder Rhys Palmer enhanced his prospects last week with five goals in his team's win against Vic Metro.

Geelong tall Lachlan Henderson is also highly ranked, despite injury ruining his prospects at this year's national championships.

Cats recruiting manager Stephen Wells said Henderson's bad luck was unlikely to harm his draft prospects, with clubs looking to the future.

"Ideally you see the players play as much as you possibly can, but when they are injured you just take that into account and refer back to what we know about them," Wells said.

"When you are making those decisions, you still just make a decision based on the long-term and not the short-term."

For the first time this year, the under-18 titles have been played over several weeks and in different states.

Clayton said it was a move that would make the recruiters' jobs easier.

"We're going to get to see them adapt to different circumstances than we have in the past," he said.

"I think it's going to make it easier. It's good to see people in different circumstances."

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22025227%255E19897,00.html

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Re: Draft Strategy
« Reply #53 on: July 06, 2007, 02:45:55 PM »
apparently Kreuzer and Cotchin are playing very well today.

Also hear that Palmer carved it up again

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Re: Draft Strategy
« Reply #54 on: July 06, 2007, 03:45:10 PM »
apparently Kreuzer and Cotchin are playing very well today.

Also hear that Palmer carved it up again

if we get kruezer and palmer i will blow my load!

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Re: Draft Strategy
« Reply #55 on: July 06, 2007, 03:47:36 PM »
Getting Palmer and Kreuzer would be realistic IMO. At this stage he is a top 20 pick. So in the 2nd rd or a potential PP we could get him.

Not sure if he is the type of midfielder we need though. Appears to be more a runner and finisher rather than a consistent contested ball winner a la foley

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Re: Draft Strategy
« Reply #56 on: July 06, 2007, 04:09:24 PM »
also would like to see Palmer tagged as to date has pretty much been given a free run.

If he can handle a tag, then I am all for getting him.

Kicking would need to be polised though. Some of it didnt look particularly flash

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Re: Draft Strategy
« Reply #57 on: July 06, 2007, 04:23:31 PM »
Too bad we don't play Carlton twice to give them a 5th win...

Could just imagine it if we did.

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Re: Draft Strategy
« Reply #58 on: July 06, 2007, 05:00:08 PM »
IMHO we shouldnt be chasing players like Palmer, we should be looking at Rance and Myers and afew others around the 15 to 20 draft pick range.

We shouldnt be picking after the 3rd round. Theres no point unless they decide to take a kid from coburg in r4 like Anderson.

Kreuzer and Morton are the only 2 options for us now at pick 1- Cotchin and Palmer shouldnt be chosen here
Rance, Myers, Otten and Selwood are likely picks around 10 to 20. If Henderson drops or we get a pick around 8 or 9 then maybe we are a show.
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Re: Draft Strategy
« Reply #59 on: July 06, 2007, 05:46:39 PM »
After seeing the game today I agree Kreuzer and Morton will be top 2. Cotchin will be top 5 and will make it as an AFL player but we would be getting just more of the same type we already have if we drafted him.

also would like to see Palmer tagged as to date has pretty much been given a free run.

If he can handle a tag, then I am all for getting him.

Kicking would need to be polised though. Some of it didnt look particularly flash
If their kicking needs polishing then you don't draft them with early picks IMO. This is the main reason why I can't believe JON was ever considered a first round pick. Foot skills and decision making under pressure should be the numero uno requirement when judging these kids. At AFL level the pressure goes up hundred-fold and any significant technical flaws are exposed big time.
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