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Cogs thread [merged]
« on: August 08, 2007, 07:52:37 AM »
does this put cogs in the same cateogory? it should

and what about sugar, his hand injury has stopped himn playing all yr also.

has anyone noticed sigar play this yr , i havent!  :rollin

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Re: Cogs thread [merged]
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2007, 12:28:58 PM »
well if Hall, Knobel, Coughlan, Meyer, & a few other aint gone l be disapointed





Honestly, give me a serious reason to delist Cogs??

When there are so many others that need to go first.  Howat, Moore, Hartigan etc.

To get rid of Cogs would turn into another Rodan situation.  :banghead
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« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2007, 01:26:16 PM »
Honestly, give me a serious reason to delist Cogs??

When there are so many others that need to go first.  Howat, Moore, Hartigan etc.

To get rid of Cogs would turn into another Rodan situation.  :banghead

It's not another Rodan situation at all. Coughlan has had two recos.

The harsh reality is only a handful of footballers have got back to anywhere near their best after doing so.
He's also had a history of OP and ankle problems.

The game hasn't gotten any slower.



Cogs was good but he is broken.

We need to get better and it's extremely unlikely that Coughlan will ever get back near his best.
Extremely unlikely. :(

I would have no issue with the club making a tough decision on this tough Tiger.

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« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2007, 01:48:04 PM »
well if Hall, Knobel, Coughlan, Meyer, & a few other aint gone l be disapointed





Honestly, give me a serious reason to delist Cogs??

When there are so many others that need to go first.  Howat, Moore, Hartigan etc.

To get rid of Cogs would turn into another Rodan situation.  :banghead

good reply the Magic you summed it up nicely

Cogs was a good footballer but is broken & out of the game 2 years & thats 2 years off pace gone & 2 years off onfield a & alot of new players he never played with as well as fighting for his place with likes of Foley Polo Tambling Deledio Tuck & so on, would take him awhile to get back to game pace & alertness & ability to read the game again
l wish Cogs all the best in his recovery & would really hope l'm proved wrong but l seen it before with Tony Free who had enormous passion for the Richmond jumper but then again he is not Tony Free & the medical & rehab is alot different these days
Yes there are others who need to go but Cogs maybe a good trade off for the club its a tough decision that needs to be looked at really hard

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« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2007, 01:59:57 PM »
Honestly, give me a serious reason to delist Cogs??

When there are so many others that need to go first.  Howat, Moore, Hartigan etc.

To get rid of Cogs would turn into another Rodan situation.  :banghead

It's not another Rodan situation at all. Coughlan has had two recos.

The harsh reality is only a handful of footballers have got back to anywhere near their best after doing so.
He's also had a history of OP and ankle problems.

The game hasn't gotten any slower.



Cogs was good but he is broken.

We need to get better and it's extremely unlikely that Coughlan will ever get back near his best.
Extremely unlikely. :(

I would have no issue with the club making a tough decision on this tough Tiger.

So give him 1 year with a full pre-season to show he is spent before delisting him after paying him to sit on the boundry line for the majority of two years.
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« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2007, 02:15:56 PM »
So give him 1 year with a full pre-season to show he is spent before delisting him after paying him to sit on the boundry line for the majority of two years.

Why guarantee him a year?
This isn't a charity club although you may be forgiven for thinking it is.
Don't get loss in the romance of what is a very unfortunate situation.

I would not sign him at all until he has proven his knee will withstand the rigors of AFL football.
That means full and searching medical & fitness test once he has finished his rehab.

His knee collapsed in the shower the second time.

How is it going to go when it's crunched in a pack on a regular basis?

That needs to be ascertained as much as possible.
If it fails to stand up I would rather look at another option.

Believe me when I say if he can make it back I will be thrilled but he is going to need some help from above.
Time will tell.





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« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2007, 03:06:31 PM »
So give him 1 year with a full pre-season to show he is spent before delisting him after paying him to sit on the boundry line for the majority of two years.

Why guarantee him a year?
This isn't a charity club although you may be forgiven for thinking it is.
Don't get loss in the romance of what is a very unfortunate situation.

I would not sign him at all until he has proven his knee will withstand the rigors of AFL football.
That means full and searching medical & fitness test once he has finished his rehab.

His knee collapsed in the shower the second time.

How is it going to go when it's crunched in a pack on a regular basis?

That needs to be ascertained as much as possible.
If it fails to stand up I would rather look at another option.

Believe me when I say if he can make it back I will be thrilled but he is going to need some help from above.
Time will tell.






THere is not time for that!  By the time delistments come about his knee will just be ready to start jogging etc. and trying to get back over the pre-season to his once peak fitness, that is why we must keep him!

It's not about romance, it's about the fact there are people other than Cogs I dont wont on the list far before I get to Cogs name!

He deserves another year.

And if you havent noticed Cogs just turned 25.  He has time on his side in relation to recovering from injuries.

One year will not hurt us or him.  It's the only way.  Throwing a kid out without testing him is completely stupid.  It's not degenerative like Ray Hall's either.
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Re: Cogs thread [merged]
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2007, 03:36:15 PM »
Cogs is jogging already. The knee after the first op didn't sound stable from the start for the knee to go again in the shower. There probably was much structural damage outside of the ACL the second time. I was told a while back that Cogs' knee is finally stable second time around. 

I would keep him. His trade value would be minimial anyway and as others have mentioned there are so many obvious names that will go in a year where the draft has poor depth. Michael Wilson of Port came back from two knees so it can be done.
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« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2007, 05:42:57 PM »
Plenty of footballers have had duel knee reco's me included which mine was serious & l can still play footy without problems but lost some speed from age  ;D  :cheers but could still get a senior game np so there's proof on the subject of knee reco's & comebacks from them
l'm talking about Cogs more from league point of view which IMO the speed of the game has increased due to rule changes of which Cogs has never been part of yet & could take a year to adapt too
Now l dont go to training sessions anymore  ;D so l dont know how Cogs rehab is going maybe l just have to pop into the city early this Friday as l force myself to watch this comming crappy game

l like to hear more opinions on Gogs & his training we a lucky group here cause there are a few stalkers among us  ;D who get down there to each training session dont ya girls

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« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2007, 09:03:54 PM »
And like clockwork . . . . . :lol  :thumbsup

Coughlan nears training return

7:02 PM Wed 8 August, 2007 | Back

By: Greg Lange

for richmondfc.com.au

TIGER fans, get excited. Mark Coughlan will be returning to the Punt Road training track in a couple of weeks. And despite the year he’s had, he could not be happier about beginning his 2008 pre-season so early.

“I guess one of the positives out of doing your knee just before the season starts is you have a full 12 months off,” Coughlan tells richmondfc.com.au.

“So I’ll be able to get a full pre-season in the tank next year.”

Coughlan’s positive outlook is a good sign for the Richmond faithful, who were shattered when their 2003 Jack Dyer medallist re-injured the same knee which ended his season in round 12 last year.

However, if you’d bumped into the talented tiger seven months ago, it’s unlikely you would have found him feeling so cheery.

Coughlan took a couple of months off immediately after injuring his knee. “Being the second year in a row, I just needed a bit of time to get away,” he says.

After returning and embarking on the all-too familiar knee-rehab activities of riding, swimming and leg weights, he found his mood mirrored the health of his knee.

“I was a bit up and down,” he says. “When things are going well you are upbeat and positive, whereas when things are not going well, you are doom and gloom.”

“However, I have had a bit of experience with injuries, so I have learned to handle them better than I used to.”

Over the last month, under the guidance of specialists Warren Kofoed, who helped with Nathan Brown’s injury, and club physio Matthew Hornsby, Coughlan has been boosted by his return to running after a six-month layoff.

“It was good to get that away,” he says. “When you have your first run you feel pretty good again.”

In a couple of weeks time he is set to receive another shot of confidence when he rejoins his teammates for training. Not that this will wipe out the frustration he’s been feeling on the sidelines while the club has endured one of its most testing seasons.

“While you are a part of the group, you are not actually out there playing,” he says.

“All you can do is try and support the guys as much as you can, which is pretty important at the moment.”

TIGER TALK

Mark, what was the most painful part of your knee injury?

When the pain-killers run out. I have had surgery to a couple parts of the body, but in terms of pain after the surgery, the knee is definitely the worst.

Some have joked that your failed attempts at gaining your driver’s license when you were 18 taught you persistence, and this has helped you mentally in your rehab.

Failing your license three times is not something you bring up with your mates. But it’s true, it probably did help in some ways.

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=48823
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Re: Cogs thread [merged]
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2007, 11:50:19 PM »
just great news ...

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« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2007, 12:25:24 PM »
And like clockwork . . . . . :lol  :thumbsup

Coughlan nears training return


Blah, blah..

Forgive my skepticism about media releases that come out of the club re player injuries. Their track record over the past few years speaks for itself.

IMO the club should be looking to move on from the likes of Coughlan, Tuck & Johnson altogether.
Even when Cogs was semi fit last season he was not having the impact of the elite onballers of the competition. No where near it.
His best was behind him as he struggled with groin and ankle injuries which often resulted in shocking disposal. Many forget this it seems.

I would hope the club is setting it's focus on the Foley's, Connors, Edwards, Tamblings, Deledios, Cotchins etc.. of this world and cutting it's loses with a midfield that is both slow and has poor disposal over a long period. 25 or not Coughlan is not going to get any faster after his injury in a game that has increased in pace significantly over the past two years.

However if Cogs is in fact signed, which knowing Miller is likely, it should be with zero expectations from supporters.
With that comes a one year contract at moderate wages with the option for another if his knee holds together.
He will be nothing more than a bit player in his first season back from a double reco. Virtually a project player as he spends the year readjusting himself to the intensity of AFL football again. Hadley up north is a case in point.

Expect nothing and we might be surprised but I have my doubts. The statistics are not on his side unfortunatrely.

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« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2007, 12:41:06 PM »
the bloke is about 3 big injuries worse off than Dragacevic,ffs.

I'm not expecting anything from his war torn limbs - poor guy.

Wes should trade or delist him

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« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2007, 01:29:48 PM »
the bloke is about 3 big injuries worse off than Dragacevic,ffs.

I'm not expecting anything from his war torn limbs - poor guy.

Spot on.

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« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2007, 02:01:19 PM »
Reckon the AFL should have some consideration for long term injuries in the salary cap.

Realistically if we are playing the odds, we should probably send him packing, which is pretty heartless. But if we could pay him 100% of his contract next season and only be charged at 80% towards the salary cap it might make it a bit easier for everyone.