Gloomy outlook on Punt Road horizon - The Age

[Fishfinger]

Hey TM, get that skunks supporting missus of yours to take your pants off and give em back to you.   

ps Nathan Brown.

[Francois Jackson]

& thier kids Thomas & Pendlebury have come on far quicker & are more exciting to watch than our Deledio & Tambling

BOOM - Just blew yourself out of the water right there - Why don't you go watch them instead then.

its not about that champ its just admiring how players at one club play for each other and never give up.
we use them as an example because its true, they never give up doesn't matter if they are playing in the west or here where as we might as well be 10 goals behind before a ball is bounced thats how much of a chance we have when we play eagles or adelaide over there.
Its all about attitude and our players haven't got that win at all costs mentality and to be honest i dont know where its going to come from.

[Tigermonk]

& thier kids Thomas & Pendlebury have come on far quicker & are more exciting to watch than our Deledio & Tambling

BOOM - Just blew yourself out of the water right there - Why don't you go watch them instead then.

l do go watch them all the time 

[Tigermonk]

Hey TM, get that skunks supporting missus of yours to take your pants off and give em back to you.   

ps Nathan Brown.

she take my pants off often Fishyfingers its all under control 

[Tigermonk]

& thier kids Thomas & Pendlebury have come on far quicker & are more exciting to watch than our Deledio & Tambling

BOOM - Just blew yourself out of the water right there - Why don't you go watch them instead then.

its not about that champ its just admiring how players at one club play for each other and never give up.
we use them as an example because its true, they never give up doesn't matter if they are playing in the west or here where as we might as well be 10 goals behind before a ball is bounced thats how much of a chance we have when we play eagles or adelaide over there.
Its all about attitude and our players haven't got that win at all costs mentality and to be honest i dont know where its going to come from.

thats exactly right 

[mightytiges]

Where's the article "Gloomy outlook at .... (wherever Collingwood are based)".  They can't even win a practice game.

We're coming off a spoon, they were 5 points off playing in a Grand Final.

We don't have any respect, and we don't deserve any.

And Collingwood still haven't won a game this year.

Collingwood win the important season games we dont
they win the hard games there not meant to win against top clubs
They lose to a weak club like us every year nearly
They play finals at the end of the season which our finals is finishing 9th & back to wooden spoon

They've only won one important season game in the past 50 years    .

Seriously though, for all the premiership talk this year based on that one PF loss, the Pies still finished the H/A season with a 13-9 record with a low percentage for a finalist of 101%. Hardly premiership material.  Sure they finished miles ahead of us on the ladder but given the cushy draw they get every year they are overrated and they lack the class needed to win a flag. Only Didak, Pendlebury and perhaps Thomas are their classy players. Most Magpies are hardworking plodders. Their best 22 was also a mature side too. Only 5 players in that PF were U23. 

Collingwood has pooh on Richmond as a club & acheivements since we won our last grand final
Collingwood clearly outclasses us on overall acheivements over its history
Collingwood clearly out perform us as a club & get the big games they want because they are managed very well & market well everyone wants to play for them but Richmond cant attract big name players
There coached better than us & thier kids Thomas & Pendlebury have come on far quicker & are more exciting to watch than our Deledio & Tambling
They had many injuries last year on many high profile players & yet still manage to play finals which means there kids are stepping up while we use the excuse of we playing kids were rebuilding bla bla bla same old lame excuses
if they didnot go into that Prem final with injuries they would have gotten over Geelong & won last years premiership thank god they didnot win
They also made us look very stupid last year after being in a winning position last year to crumble like we always do & yes we won the next time round but we got the spoon remember so that gives us NO BRAGGING RIGHTS
We simply got 1 game wonders playing for us who cant string several good games together let alone win any of them & our youngsters are so under developed AFTER ARRIVING AT TIGERLAND it stands out if anyone cant see that they know pooh about the development of football
so when you try to defend Richmond as a acheived club against Collingwood you need to read some VFL/AFL history there miles in front of us

& to top it all off the wooden spoons are flying into our cabinets much quicker than Collingwood so read into that 

Anyone who knows their VFL/AFL history would know that despite being crap for the past 27 years we still have won 5 times as many flags as the Pies have in the past 50 years   and they only won that one because Essendon was forced to wait 3 weeks for the finals and lost all their momentum and form. The name of the game is to win flags!

Lids' form is comparable with Pendlebury and Thomas and he doesn't have the luxury of playing with an experienced line-up around him (only 5 Pies were U23 in that PF). So the opposition put their number 1 tagger on Pendlebury and Thomas do they! (I'm a fan of Pendelbury too btw)
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerCompare.asp?SeasonID=2007&Compare=Go&PlayerName1=&PlayerName2=Dale+Thomas&PlayerName3=&PlayerName4=&SelectedPlayers=1529%2C1656%2C

Plus the only way they got Thomas and Pendlebury was to finish 15th in 2005 with just 3 wins. They didn't make the finals between 1995-2001 where they finished bottom 4 most of those years including a wooden spoon in 1999. Didn't make the finals either in 2004-5. Got spanked out by the Doggies in the first week of 2006. All this with a soft draw too and minimal travelling  . Sure say we've be embarrassing compared to Essendon, North and many of the interstate sides but Collingwood! Please!

When was the last time the Pies attracted a big name ....? They missed out on Browny, Gehrig, Stevens, Judd and a heap of others despite being favourites to gain their services and throwing $$$ at them.

As for injuries - what injuries? Buckley, Clement and Licuria have retired as they were ion their last legs so they won't get them back this year. Lose a PF by 5 points and all of a sudden Fraser is a champion  ???. They can't decide on a new captain because they can't guarantee that Fraser and Maxwell will play  . They had 18 players play 17 or more games in 2007 and all were in their best 22. We had 14 play 17 or more which didn't include Simmo, Browny, Cogs and Thursty.

As for Bragging Rights - a 15 to 7 head-to-head record since 1994 is nothing short of owning them. The only time we haven't beaten them in a year in that time was 2003. We also lead on head-to-head since 1980  .

Anyway as I said let's see how they go this year  . Only Pie fans are stupid to believe the crap coming out of that club (tradition  ).

[H Tiger]

Great Post MT.

Can't you just pick a team you like T Monkey?

[Darth Tiger]

Anyone who knows their VFL/AFL history would know that despite being crap for the past 27 years we still have won 5 times as many flags as the Pies have in the past 50 years  and they only won that one because Essendon was forced to wait 3 weeks for the finals and lost all their momentum and form. The name of the game is to win flags!

Lids' form is comparable with Pendlebury and Thomas and he doesn't have the luxury of playing with an experienced line-up around him (only 5 Pies were U23 in that PF). So the opposition put their number 1 tagger on Pendlebury and Thomas do they! (I'm a fan of Pendelbury too btw)
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerCompare.asp?SeasonID=2007&Compare=Go&PlayerName1=&PlayerName2=Dale+Thomas&PlayerName3=&PlayerName4=&SelectedPlayers=1529%2C1656%2C

Plus the only way they got Thomas and Pendlebury was to finish 15th in 2005 with just 3 wins. They didn't make the finals between 1995-2001 where they finished bottom 4 most of those years including a wooden spoon in 1999. Didn't make the finals either in 2004-5. Got spanked out by the Doggies in the first week of 2006. All this with a soft draw too and minimal travelling  . Sure say we've be embarrassing compared to Essendon, North and many of the interstate sides but Collingwood! Please!

When was the last time the Pies attracted a big name ....? They missed out on Browny, Gehrig, Stevens, Judd and a heap of others despite being favourites to gain their services and throwing $$$ at them.

As for injuries - what injuries? Buckley, Clement and Licuria have retired as they were ion their last legs so they won't get them back this year. Lose a PF by 5 points and all of a sudden Fraser is a champion  ???. They can't decide on a new captain because they can't guarantee that Fraser and Maxwell will play  . They had 18 players play 17 or more games in 2007 and all were in their best 22. We had 14 play 17 or more which didn't include Simmo, Browny, Cogs and Thursty.

As for Bragging Rights - a 15 to 7 head-to-head record since 1994 is nothing short of owning them. The only time we haven't beaten them in a year in that time was 2003. We also lead on head-to-head since 1980  .

Anyway as I said let's see how they go this year  . Only Pie fans are stupid to believe the crap coming out of that club (tradition  ).

Superb Analysis MT,

Did not let press hype or forum perception & emotion overwhelm the facts.

Hate the collingscum (2nd only to carlscum).

[WilliamPowell]

Superb Analysis MT,

Did not let press hype or forum perception & emotion overwhelm the facts.

Hate the collingscum (2nd only to carlscum).

Exactly Darth

Spot on MT

 

[mightytiges]

Hate the collingscum (2nd only to carlscum).

If we win in rounds 1 & 3 I'll be a happy boy  .

[WilliamPowell]

If we win in rounds 1 & 3 I'll be a happy boy  .

Gee I don't know a couple of wins

I think could be depressing as the forum could be boring as a result 

[Hellenic Tiger]

MT u stated the facts and I will put up the figures,
the ones I had put up last August when we beat them. Again.  
Enjoy  

  Re: 1994 to 2007: RFC still owning Collingwood

1994 Round 12  
Richmond 14 18 102
Scumwood  4 12 36

1995 Round 6                Round 21
Scumwood 12 10 82       Richmond 14 25 109
Richmond   13 16 94       Scumwood  7 13  55

1996 Round 13
Scumwood   10  9  69
Richmond     14   8  92

1997 Round 11
Scumwood   10  11   71
Richmond     11  11   77

1998 Round 4                        Round 19
Scumwood   20  13  133          Richmond    12  14  86  
Richmond     12  16   88          Scumwood    9  13   67

1999 Round 4                        Round  19
Scumwood   14  12  96           Richmond     10  19  79
Richmond     22  14 146          Scumwood    16  16 112

2000 Round 9
Richmond   15  12  102
Scumwood   7  12   54

2001  Round 4                      Round 18
Scumwood  10  11  71           Richmond   10  11 71
Richmond    13   8  86           Scumwood   6   15 51

2002 Round 1                      Round  16
Richmond    24  11  155        Scumwood   13  11  89
Scumwood  18  10  118        Richmond       7   7  49

2003 Round 1                       Round  16
Scumwood  13   16  94           Richmond   9  8  62
Richmond      8   18  66          Scumwood 20 11 131

2004  Round 1                      Round 18
Richmond    14  13  97           Scumwood  15  13 103
Scumwood    8   9  57           Richmond    14   14  98

2005  Round 8
Scumwood    8 10  58
Richmond     13 15 93

2006 Round 13
Richmond   13  14  92
Scumwood   6   9  45

2007
Round 3                       Round 19
Scumwood  17 13 115    Richmond   18   8   116
Richmond    13  12 90     Scumwood 14  12    96

                        Won Lost Drawn   PF     PA      %
Richmond             15   7     -       2050   1803   113.69
Scumwood             7  15    -       1803   2050     87.95  

[Tigermonk]

your VFL/AFL history is very short 50 years 
l already stated in this thread they get beaten by us so l dont know why you trouble yourself you forgot to mention Richmond never goes on with it after they beat Collingwood cause they fall in a heap
l noticed you didnot mention the wooden spoon tally which is ??? l thought being so good with stats you might post that l'm surprised
Yes Collingwood did have poor seasons & drafted Thomas & Pendlebury & they go on with it & have them playing finals.
we get low draft picks most years & dont go anywhere & yet Deledio & Tambling have done nothing compared to Franklin, Roughead & Lewis at Hawthorn who are playing finals so young
There over rated cant string several good games together why is that you fail to mention
the Kangaroos who seem to blood there drafts ok & Laidley was going to be sacked & had them lift with some injuries key players why aint they down the bottom they got our old assistant coach who everyone was happy to go
If you go through your injured players for the skunks last year you will find others players you forgot to mention maybe you dont know them all
The mere fact that blinds you is that Richmond are so under developed & behind the other clubs you refuse to see it & dream there going to turn into something overnight with shocking skills which have not improved since before Frawley which no-one can denie
Everyone knows l hate Collingwood l use them as a example which l know peees you off but l do enjoy watching most of there games live because they produce good football & still got to the finals without there main backliners & old at that

oh no Presti broken down tonight get the band-aids out

[Tigermonk]

MT u stated the facts and I will put up the figures,
the ones I had put up last August when we beat them. Again.  
Enjoy  

  Re: 1994 to 2007: RFC still owning Collingwood

1994 Round 12  
Richmond 14 18 102
Scumwood  4 12 36

1995 Round 6                Round 21
Scumwood 12 10 82       Richmond 14 25 109
Richmond   13 16 94       Scumwood  7 13  55

1996 Round 13
Scumwood   10  9  69
Richmond     14   8  92

1997 Round 11
Scumwood   10  11   71
Richmond     11  11   77

1998 Round 4                        Round 19
Scumwood   20  13  133          Richmond    12  14  86  
Richmond     12  16   88          Scumwood    9  13   67

1999 Round 4                        Round  19
Scumwood   14  12  96           Richmond     10  19  79
Richmond     22  14 146          Scumwood    16  16 112

2000 Round 9
Richmond   15  12  102
Scumwood   7  12   54

2001  Round 4                      Round 18
Scumwood  10  11  71           Richmond   10  11 71
Richmond    13   8  86           Scumwood   6   15 51

2002 Round 1                      Round  16
Richmond    24  11  155        Scumwood   13  11  89
Scumwood  18  10  118        Richmond       7   7  49

2003 Round 1                       Round  16
Scumwood  13   16  94           Richmond   9  8  62
Richmond      8   18  66          Scumwood 20 11 131

2004  Round 1                      Round 18
Richmond    14  13  97           Scumwood  15  13 103
Scumwood    8   9  57           Richmond    14   14  98

2005  Round 8
Scumwood    8 10  58
Richmond     13 15 93

2006 Round 13
Richmond   13  14  92
Scumwood   6   9  45

2007
Round 3                       Round 19
Scumwood  17 13 115    Richmond   18   8   116
Richmond    13  12 90     Scumwood 14  12    96

                        Won Lost Drawn   PF     PA      %
Richmond             15   7     -       2050   1803   113.69
Scumwood             7  15    -       1803   2050     87.95  

l like the scores on that list
l have to go post it on the skunks forum to show Joffa 

[mightytiges]

your VFL/AFL history is very short 50 years 

Sorry I live in the modern era TM since tv was invented and I can watch our last 5 premierships on DVD .

In any case since we entered the comp in 1908 it's 10-12. Hardly a major difference given we were the newbies who had to start from scratch. No priority picks and no VFL giving us a $$$ handshake to attract good players in those days either.

Also take into account that since 1931 when the fairer modern finals system was introduced it's 8 flags to 5 our way. Before that under the old challenge system we had to beat the Pies two weeks in a row to win the GF compared to their once 3 years running. No wonder they won 4 in a row  . Just 3 flags since the start of WW2 and you wish we were like Collingwood  .

We've been crap the last 27 years but for the vast majority of our club's history it is a proud one and a lot better than most  .

FACT: Collingwood has not defeated Richmond in a final since your grandfather was a twinkle in his father's eye TM  .

l already stated in this thread they get beaten by us so l dont know why you trouble yourself you forgot to mention Richmond never goes on with it after they beat Collingwood cause they fall in a heap

The Pies have played in 4 finals series in the past 13 years compared to our two. Hardly something to boast about for either club.

l noticed you didnot mention the wooden spoon tally which is ??? l thought being so good with stats you might post that l'm surprised

Because spoons these days mean nothing except an early pick and possible priority pick. It doesn't have the stigma it use to before the draft was introduced. Under the stupid current draft system it's better to finish last than 9th.

Yes Collingwood did have poor seasons & drafted Thomas & Pendlebury & they go on with it & have them playing finals.
we get low draft picks most years & dont go anywhere & yet Deledio & Tambling have done nothing compared to Franklin, Roughead & Lewis at Hawthorn who are playing finals so young

If you go through your injured players for the skunks last year you will find others players you forgot to mention maybe you dont know them all

No we traded away most of our early picks prior to 2004 for recycled players from other clubs. Mostly duds too. Count the players still on our list from 5 years ago. Not many eh! That's why we are crap. The Hawks and Pies had just 5 youngsters (U23) playing most games last year compared to our 11. The Roos also have an experienced list as for financial reasons they can't go for youth and bottom out (they were flogged in two finals btw). So Hodge, Mitchell, Bateman, Campbell, Brown, Croad, Boyle, Osbourne, Sewell (Clarke and Williams were injured) all finally hitting their prime age at the same time after 6-7 years on their list had nothing to do with Hawthorn's rise last year! How many of those did Clarkson recruit .... ummm none. Where's our prime age core group to make up most of our team ... oh that's right we don't have one  apart from Petts, Newy and Cogs (injured since 2006).

As for the Pie injured players I missed. I have their 2007 playing list right in front me. Surely TM your not claiming Brodie Holland is a star player  .

The mere fact that blinds you is that Richmond are so under developed & behind the other clubs you refuse to see it & dream there going to turn into something overnight with shocking skills which have not improved since before Frawley which no-one can denie
Everyone knows l hate Collingwood l use them as a example which l know peees you off but l do enjoy watching most of there games live because they produce good football & still got to the finals without there main backliners & old at that

oh no Presti broken down tonight get the band-aids out

I never said Richmond wasn't behind other clubs. We're in another universe behind Geelong, Hawthorn and the really talented lists. You chose Collingwood as an example of a success on-field club. I beg to differ and have shown why. A 13-9 record last year is middle-of-the-road form for any club let alone one that is favoured over everyone else by the draw. I wish we could have only 4 interstate trips and 10 games in a row in Melbourne to finish the season  .

Anyway let's see how they do this year  .