GC17, West Sydney - Need to go for top kids in next 2 drafts or we won't get any

[one-eyed]

 

Gold Coast's numbers come up in 2010 national draft
Mike Sheahan | August 28, 2008

THE new Gold Coast club will have the first three picks in the 2010 national draft among nine first-round selections.

Gold Coast will have picks 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13 and 15, and then take top spot in each subsequent round.

That means the bottom team in 2010 will have pick No. 4, with that year's premier having to wait until selection 25 for its first pick.

While clubs at, or near, the bottom of the ladder will be aghast at the drain on the best young talent in the country, seven of the existing 16 clubs were represented on the sub-committee that produced the formula.

It was adopted by the AFL Commission at its meeting on Monday, and will bring a warm smile to the faces of Gold Coast coach Guy McKenna and recruiting manager Scott Clayton.

Gold Coast also will have access to a maximum of one out-of-contract player from each of the existing clubs after the 2010 season.

That's on top of a selection of up to 20 of the best under-18 prospects in Queensland during the next two years, three of whom have already been claimed.

Clubs that lose out-of-contract players to the Gold Coast will be compensated with a draft choice to be determined, a choice that may be exercised any time during the subsequent five national drafts.

The AFL is likely to announce the draft package to club chief executives at league headquarters today.

The meeting had been called to announce details of the AFL's refined drugs policy, which will retain the three strikes but subject players to hair-testing, as tipped for several months.

While the Gold Coast package will shock supporters of Melbourne and other clubs fearful of being near the bottom in 2010, it is no more generous than the assistance Fremantle, Port Adelaide and West Coast received.

The AFL wisely involved club representatives in the exercise, which means both the interests of the competition and the clubs have been acknowledged.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24252779-19742,00.html

[mightytiges]

Gold Coast will have picks 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13 and 15, and then take top spot in each subsequent round.

Gold Coast also will have access to a maximum of one out-of-contract player from each of the existing clubs after the 2010 season.

Clubs that lose out-of-contract players to the Gold Coast will be compensated with a draft choice to be determined, a choice that may be exercised any time during the subsequent five national drafts.

So in 2004 they would've got Lids, Roughead, Griffen, Buddy and Lewis in one hit with just the first 5 of those picks  . 

I even more now just hope we hold onto our picks this year and try to gain another top 25-30 pick because you need all the top kids you can get your hands on before 2010. Ironic that Sydney now on the slide and with an aging list could really suffer the most from this draft decimation when the AFL wants to introduce a second Sydney team.

[one-eyed]

AFL has announced the official draft concessions for GC17:

2010 draft

9 first round picks - 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15

The the first pick in each subsequent round of the 2010 draft.

Access to 16 uncontracted players. They will be allowed to poach more than one player from an existing club if they aren't having much luck with getting one player from each and every club.

An existing club who loses a player will receive a draft pick as compensation which can be used in any future draft.

The last uncompromised draft will be next year (I think the age limit is staying but not for GC17 who will be able to pick up the underage 17 year olds).

Your thoughts?

[pmac21]

Great for the Tigers as we already have our core 12 - 18 kids. This will hurt the Saints, Swans, North with older lists as it will stuff up their list managent for 3 - 4 years by that time our kids will be 26 - 27 and primed for premiership glory. 

[Infamy]

Next year's draft will be compromised as GC17 get access to the Qld players before the draft, similar to this year. Given the quality of the talent up there at the moment, this isn't too great a loss though and hopefully will be a strong draft due to the shifting of the age eligibility this year.

[one-eyed]

You're right Infamy. The Gold Coast will also get the first 5 rookie draft picks in 2009.


THE ENTRY Rules for GC17 into the AFL are as follows:

1. 2009 NAB AFL Draft:

GC17 to have the capacity to sign 12 x 17 year-olds born in the January – April window (Jan-April 1992).

2. 2009 NAB Rookie Draft:

GC17 to have Selections 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5.

3. 2010 NAB AFL Draft:

GC17 to have Pick One in Each Round.
GC 17 to have Picks 2, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15 in Round One.
 
4. 2010 NAB Rookie Draft

GC17 to alternate Queensland priority selections with Brisbane Lions. GC17 to have first selection.
 
5. Zoned Access

GC17 to have zoned access to up to five Queensland players prior to each of 2010, 2011 and 2012 NAB AFL Drafts.

GC17 to have zoned access to up to three Northern Territory player prior to the 2010 NAB AFL Draft
 
6. 2010 Post Season, AFL Listed Played Access

GC17 to have capacity to pre-list 10 players who had previously nominated for the AFL Draft, or were previously listed with an AFL club.

7. 2010 Post Season Uncontracted AFL Player Access

GC17 to have capacity to sign up to 16 uncontracted players. The Club that loses the uncontracted player receives a compensatory pick.

The compensatory pick number will be assessed around the uncontracted player's age, club contract ranking, on-field performance and draft position by a selected panel.

This panel will then determine if a club is eligible for a compensatory pick in one of five spots - first-round pick, end of first round, second-round, end of second round or third-round.

A first-round pick cannot be used in the 2010 or 2011 drafts.

But other selections can be exercised in the 2010-14 drafts.

Teams must nominate if they will use their compensatory pick before the season even begins.

8. Total Player Payments and Salary Cap Concessions
 
GC17 will so have an expanded list size and TPP (Total Player Payment) allowance in the club’s initial four years from 2011 to 2014, which would be as follows:

2011 – 48 senior list, nine rookies with $1m TPP extra allowance;
2012 – 46 senior list, nine rookies with $800k TPP extra allowance;
2013 – 42 senior list, nine rookies with $600k TPP extra allowance;
2014 – 40 senior list, nine rookies with $400k TPP extra allowance;
2015 – 38 senior list, nine rookies in line with other AFL clubs.


2010 NAB AFL Draft: (Example Draft Order before trading)

Round One
1 GC17
2 GC17
3 GC17
4 Club 16 on 2010 ladder
5 GC17
6 Club 15 on 2010 ladder
7 GC17
8 Club 14 on 2010 ladder
9 GC17
10 Club 13 on 2010 ladder
11 GC17
12 Club 12 on 2010 ladder
13 GC17
14 Club 11 on 2010 ladder
15 GC17
16 Club 10 on 2010 ladder
17 Club 9 on 2010 ladder
18 Club 8 on 2010 ladder
19 Club 7 on 2010 ladder
20 Club 6 on 2010 ladder
21 Club 5 on 2010 ladder
22 Club 4 on 2010 ladder
23 Club 3 on 2010 ladder
24 Club 2 on 2010 ladder
25 Club 1 on 2010 ladder
 
Round Two
26 GC17
27 Club 16 on 2010 ladder
28 Club 15 on 2010 ladder
29 Club 14 on 2010 ladder
30 Club 13 on 2010 ladder
31 Club 12 on 2010 ladder
32 Club 11 on 2010 ladder
33 Club 10 on 2010 ladder
34 Club 9 on 2010 ladder
35 Club 8 on 2010 ladder
36 Club 7 on 2010 ladder
37 Club 6 on 2010 ladder
38 Club 5 on 2010 ladder
39 Club 4 on 2010 ladder
40 Club 3 on 2010 ladder
41 Club 2 on 2010 ladder
42 Club 1 on 2010 ladder
 
Round Three
43 GC 17
44 Club 16 on 2010 ladder
45 Club 15 on 2010 ladder
46 Club 14 on 2010 ladder
47 Club 13 on 2010 ladder
48 Club 12 on 2010 ladder
49 Club 11 on 2010 ladder
50 Club 10 on 2010 ladder
51 Club 9 on 2010 ladder
52 Club 8 on 2010 ladder
53 Club 7 on 2010 ladder
54 Club 6 on 2010 ladder
55 Club 5 on 2010 ladder
56 Club 4 on 2010 ladder
57 Club 3 on 2010 ladder
58 Club 2 on 2010 ladder
59 Club 1 on 2010 ladder

http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=67076
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24296088-19742,00.html

[smasha]

idiots.

[WilliamPowell]

Did I hear somewhere that Andy D and the dills at AFL House are "expecting" 5-6 wins and a % of 80 odd from the Gold Coast in their first season?

This whole thing is a joke...

For a club that hasn't yet been given a license they certainly are doing quite nicely for themselves 

[mightytiges]

The main concern for mine is the change to allow GC17 the ability to poach more than one player from one existing club. It has all the hallmarks of 1995 when Sydney wanted both Maxfield and Naish off us and in the end we lost Maxfield.

And what's with a selected panel deciding on a player's worth. Who will be on this panel and what recourse will an existing club have if they think they are being robbed and dudded. Imagine if Walls or Healy were on this selected panel deciding on a Richmond player's worth . We'll probably get from them Lids for a third rounder whereas Walls reckons Jordan Russell is worth 3 top 5 picks  . What happened to valuing a player in the free market (trade week) in a transaction between the two clubs and if what's offered isn't good enough then no deal. We're not a charity for Demetriou's delusions of granduer.

GC17 will obviously be eyeing off McGuane and Raines. Hopefully we have all our best cubs all sealed and signed up past 2010 but then.

[Infamy]

Just need to make sure that our required players are all signed up past 2010.

[Francois Jackson]

They can have Raines for a First rounder, i got no problem with that at all. Even take a 2nd rounder for him.

mcguane-tell them to go stick it where the sun dont shine

[one-eyed]

GC17 is already chasing are uncontracted players. Every club is expected to give up one player.

Gold Coast begins to entice players north
Jake Niall | March 16, 2009

MORE than two years before the club is slated to become the AFL's 17th club, the Gold Coast has already started preliminary talks aimed at luring uncontracted players from the 16 clubs.

A higher-than-usual proportion of the game's biggest names come out of contract at the end of 2010, including Lance Franklin, Gary Ablett, Nick Riewoldt, Jarryd Roughead and Matthew Pavlich.

Some managers have sought to have their players coming out of contract then in the knowledge that the Gold Coast will create enormous leverage for them.

Under the expected recruiting rules, the Gold Coast will have the right to sign one player from every club, and there will be a compensation formula involving draft picks, the age of the player and his remuneration.

Some managers and clubs believe that the Gold Coast could even create a rugby league-like situation in which players are known to be leaving their club and heading north a year or so before they depart.

This view is based upon the industry belief that the Gold Coast will need to secure uncontracted players very early, otherwise they will be re-signed before the new club has a chance to strike.

The Gold Coast will have draft picks 1, 2, 3, 5, 7 and 9 and nine of the top 15 selections in the 2010 draft, plus access to the 12 best 17-year-olds — who cannot be drafted this year — in 2009. Both picks and the 17-year-olds will be tradeable.

Full article at:
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/gold-coast-to-entice-players-north/2009/03/15/1237054650536.html

[one-eyed]

Anna Bligh's Qld Labor won the state election yesterday so that means now full steam ahead for the new Gold Coast club, new stadium and the swag of draft concessions they will be getting.

[mightytiges]

We had a chat with Francis Jackson at training today about the Gold Coast team and all the draft concessions they are getting. The more in detail you go into it the more you realise how much of an affect it will have on the comp and the existing teams. Even this year with the age cutoff reduced from April back to December means the choice of kids has effectively been reduced by a third.

The Gold Coast being able to grab twelve 17 year olds at the end of this year means they'll probably grab 10-12 first rounders who would've been in the 2010 draft. Then add the first 3 picks in the actual 2010 draft and they'll gain the best 15 kids next year plus picks 5, 7, 9, 11, 13 and 15 to come. So the AFL has decided to build the GC17 list from the best of the 2010 draft pool. This all means the 2010 premiers won't have access until say the 38th best kid. Even a side that comes 9th  will only be getting the 30th best kid as their first pick.

West Sydney list will be built across two drafts 2011-12 with the same draft concessions. Francis said they've modelled these concessions across the 2006-08 drafts and you end up with a dreamteam of the current crop of youngsters. If you were a new club 3 years ago you wouldn't be trading away these picks for quids. The only downer for GC17 is the 2010 pool is apparently not strong. No Cotchins.

I said clubs will have to trade a player to GC17 to work their way back into the first round of the draft. Francis said that's the other concession they get as they can target a uncontracted player from each club and that club gets a draft pick as compensation based on some formula based on age of the uncontracted player and games played.

He thinks we'll be okay as most of our list is under 24. Our problem is still that 24-28 y.o. gap. Even with our 30+ year olds retiring over the next few years, our current young crop will be starting to hit their prime age by then to take over. I hope he's right.

[one-eyed]

Gold Coast wish list in the GC Bulletin:

F:    Kurt Tippett       David Hale         Lewis Moss
HF:  Michael Osborne Nick Riewoldt     Marc Lock
C:    Ryan Griffen      Dayne Beams    Dale Thomas
HB:  Ricky Petterd    Tom Williams     Lindsay Gilbee
B:   Andrew Raines  Daniel Merrett     Luke McGuane
R:  Brent Renouf  Bryce Gibbs Jed Adcock
INT: Rex Liddy, Nathan Ablett, Zac Smith, Luke Shreeve
EMG Rory Thompson Dayne Zorko Jack Stanlake

http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/2009/04/08/67395_gold-coast-afl.html