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Gold Coast's recruiter Scott Clayton reckons they will only go for 8 uncontracted players next year instead of the full 16 they are allowed to chase.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/gold-coast-will-limit-raid-to-eight-players-20091201-k1lj.html


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Gold Coast's recruiter Scott Clayton reckons they will only go for 8 uncontracted players next year instead of the full 16 they are allowed to chase.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/gold-coast-will-limit-raid-to-eight-players-20091201-k1lj.html



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In a major coup for the new club, the Gold Coast will not be forced to give up any of its nine first-round draft picks - selections 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13 and 15 - when it signs an uncontracted player from any of the 16 clubs.

The compensation for losing an uncontracted player will be a draft pick - or picks - determined by the AFL (via a formula) and separate to those prized picks earmarked to the Gold Coast.

Would love to know what this formula is
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Would love to know what this formula is
It's top secret  :shh  ;).






Nah seriously the only thing the AFL will say is the formula will judge a player's worth on their age, number of games played, top 10 finishes in B&Fs, and things like that. An existing club could just fudge their B&F count to get a higher pick from GC17.

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Track-and-yield deal to compensate for lost players to Gold Coast

    * Mark Stevens
    * From: Herald Sun
    * April 28, 2010



THE recipe is as top secret as the Colonel's own.

We know there are herbs and spices - age, original draft position, salary rating, best-and-fairest results and All-Australian selections - but the weighting of each will remain a mystery.

That is why the formula to decide compensation for players lost to Gold Coast is open to howls of discontent from clubs that it is too subjective.

It is also open to rorting in the area of best-and-fairests.

What's to stop a club tinkering with its club champion award slightly to ensure a Gold Coast target finishes a spot or two higher?

It has happened before at clubs, when the incentive was not as great.

A top-five finish might be enough to boost a departing player's value from a second to a first-round pick.

But as the AFL reviews its formula, with an eye to compensating a club for the loss of a marquee star like Gary Ablett, it has a reputable alternative right under its nose.

For the first time, the AFL's official statistician Champion Data has attached a points value to every player in the league based on SuperCoach rankings, past and present form, experience and where they stack up against other rival players in similar positions on the ground.

It is the AFL's version of tennis's ATP points system and it could be the best way to decide compensation - without a whiff of subjectivity.

Every player in the competition now has a points ranking out of 30, with Champion Data providing an accurate list of where a player sits at each club.

It forms the basis of the Herald Sun Full Strength Indicator, which ranks the relative strength of each team each week, taking into account the value of absentees.

Using the system, every player ranked at a maximum 30 points could be classed as a "marquee" player worth two first-round picks.

Seven other players join Ablett in the elite 30-point class.

Ablett's teammate Joel Selwood, also a Gold Coast target, is worth 26 points - equal seventh at Geelong. Under the formula, he has paid the price for a slight dip in form this season.

Jared Brennan, the Lion linked to GC17, is worth 24 points - equal fourth at Brisbane.

Using guidelines to match the ratings, Geelong would receive a first-round pick in return for Selwood and the Lions would get a pick at the end of the first round for Brennan.

Bulldog Jarrod Harbrow, strongly linked to GC17, is worth 23 points (equal 10th at the club) and worthy of a second-round pick.

Campbell Brown is also worth 23 points (equal eighth at Hawthorn).

The ratings change week by week, fluctuating slightly on form.

By the end of the season, when compensation is dished out, they should be even more accurate.

Ken Wood, the salary cap cop, will oversee the workings of the AFL's secret recipe.

As if he hasn't got enough on his plate. Hand it over to the stats guys.

FORMULA EXPLAINED

 Players have been coded into position, which are made up by general defender, key defender, general forward, key forward, midfielder and ruck.

Players can be coded in more than one position, however, a primary position is assigned to each player. For the purposes of scoring players in each category, the primary position is used for players who fill more than one position.

As a result, like players are compared with each other and not across the entire competition. This is to ensure parity across a squad, rather than the midfielders being over scored due to their prevalence for ranking higher than other positions.

Five factors are used to make up a player’s strength rating. These factors are:- Form, Class, Experience, Versatility and Auto Selection. The score for each of these categories is totaled to obtain the overall strength score for the player.

The factors and how they are derived is described below.

Form

The Champion Data rankings are used to compile this factor which is a measure of the player’s recent performance.

Players are scored on the previous five rounds of the competition e.g. for round 6, 2010, rounds 1-5 will be the relevant period of games.  Allowances are made for returning players. If a player has missed no games in the last 5, they get 100% of their average score, one game in the last 5 they get 80%, two games = 60%, 3 games = 40% and 4 games = 20%.

A player is measured against the other players for that position and his raw score is ranked into one of 10 groups. The players in the best form get a 10, down to a 1 for the players with poor form. Players with no games in the last 5, get a 0.

These ratings are dynamic and could change from week to week as the distribution of scores changes amongst a position.

Class

This is a measure of the long term performance of a player. The rankings are used for the previous 22 games of a player, no matter how long it has taken to play those games.

Ranking is done by position type using the player’s average. A score is given between 1 and 10 with 10 being for players with the highest average ranking points over the 22 games and 1 the lowest. Players yet to debut are given 0.

Auto Select

This is derived from a player’s history over the past 3 seasons (including the current one) and whether they played AFL, lower grade (e.g. VFL, QAFL), were injured or were suspended.

To be auto select a player must not have been dropped in a season. If they did play a lower grade, it must have been on return from injury and they must not play any more than 5 games in the seconds. A player is given a score of 1 for each season they have been ‘auto select’ up to a maximum of 3 points.

Versatility

Players can fall into general and key defender, general and key forward, ruck and midfielder. The A player can score a maximum of 3 points here is they fill 3 positions, down to a 1 for players who fill one position. This factor is not as dynamic as form, class and experience but can be updated during the season as players fill different roles.

Experience

The career games for a player are used to compare with other players in that position and a score of 1 to 5 is given, with 5 being the most experienced players and 1 the least experienced. A player who is yet to debut receives a 0 for experience

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/track-and-yield-deal-to-compensate-for-lost-players-to-gold-coast/story-e6frf9jf-1225859032447

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OMG :gobdrop ... we are truly screwed .. Cats get pick one???  :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead

Congrats to the frekin AFL on destroying the Richmond Tigers and more clubs ......... im gonna go cry now  :-\

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OMG :gobdrop ... we are truly screwed .. Cats get pick one???  :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead

Congrats to the frekin AFL on destroying the Richmond Tigers and more clubs ......... im gonna go cry now  :-\
Settle down, it doesn't say anywhere that Geelong would receive Pick 1, just a 1st round pick
The method mentioned previously is that a team will nominate before the start of the season that they are going to use the pick and they get another pick at the same place as their original pick in the draft, which is determined by their place on the ladder.
This means if Geelong is smart, they will hold on to the selection until they believe they are going to drop down the ladder

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OMG :gobdrop ... we are truly screwed .. Cats get pick one???  :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead

Congrats to the frekin AFL on destroying the Richmond Tigers and more clubs ......... im gonna go cry now  :-\
Settle down, it doesn't say anywhere that Geelong would receive Pick 1, just a 1st round pick
The method mentioned previously is that a team will nominate before the start of the season that they are going to use the pick and they get another pick at the same place as their original pick in the draft, which is determined by their place on the ladder.
This means if Geelong is smart, they will hold on to the selection until they believe they are going to drop down the ladder

mmm and lets say if all this happens like top clubs getting better picks than us ... what would we do? lol what would the Crows do? like half there team in in there 30's

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So much for any Tigers being rated highly going on that formula  :P
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The Greek Real Estate Agent screws us again.


I will be a happy man when he's gone.

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they love having the tigers at the bottom, what other club could pull the crowds and members we do after such a sustained period of horribleness??
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So where are the posters on this forum that don't agree with the RFC going to the AFL and looking for further compensation??? No matter what happened IN THE PAST or how bad we recruited IN THE PAST this is about the future and we will not be be propery compensated for this year. Please don't focus on the past, this is about the future and this years draft and we are not getting the picks we would have otherwise been entitled to.

The RFC must approach the AFL for further compensation other than pick 4. Let me ask you this; if the Pies or the Blues were in the same position as us do you think their hierarchy would approach or even demand extra compensation....... HELL YES they would. Would they recieve it...... HELL YES they would.

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So where are the posters on this forum that don't agree with the RFC going to the AFL and looking for further compensation??? No matter what happened IN THE PAST or how bad we recruited IN THE PAST this is about the future and we will not be be propery compensated for this year. Please don't focus on the past, this is about the future and this years draft and we are not getting the picks we would have otherwise been entitled to.

The RFC must approach the AFL for further compensation other than pick 4. Let me ask you this; if the Pies or the Blues were in the same position as us do you think their hierarchy would approach or even demand extra compensation....... HELL YES they would. Would they recieve it...... HELL YES they would.



Here I am WAT.   :)

We will receive all the compensation we are going to get - and that will be no more than the current rules say we are entitled to.  GC17 are going to trade picks for a number of existing players and these picks will be available to teams with players worth taking, so for those who make the right calls in this draft there will still be any number of good players available - draftees and experienced.  And the loss of many of these experienced players will potentially weaken those teams so what comes around goes around.  Yep, Carlton and Collingwood would go whinging to the AFL but I have very strong doubts that Demetriou will change his stance on this one, its just not his style, and to be honest I don't think the path to success is in demanding help to fix our problems.  We must accept total responsibility - we created it, we fix it - only we can control our destiny.  You said not to focus on the past and that is exactly right - don't focus on what has happened in the past with teams getting extra compensation, focus on getting the maximum value for every pick we end up with this year - that's where our success and improvement lies.  Too much time and energy will be wasted whinging to the AFL.  Spend that time doing our due diligence in this year's trade and drafts.

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So where are the posters on this forum that don't agree with the RFC going to the AFL and looking for further compensation??? No matter what happened IN THE PAST or how bad we recruited IN THE PAST this is about the future and we will not be be propery compensated for this year. Please don't focus on the past, this is about the future and this years draft and we are not getting the picks we would have otherwise been entitled to.

The RFC must approach the AFL for further compensation other than pick 4. Let me ask you this; if the Pies or the Blues were in the same position as us do you think their hierarchy would approach or even demand extra compensation....... HELL YES they would. Would they recieve it...... HELL YES they would.



Here I am WAT.   :)

We will receive all the compensation we are going to get - and that will be no more than the current rules say we are entitled to.  GC17 are going to trade picks for a number of existing players and these picks will be available to teams with players worth taking, so for those who make the right calls in this draft there will still be any number of good players available - draftees and experienced.  And the loss of many of these experienced players will potentially weaken those teams so what comes around goes around.  Yep, Carlton and Collingwood would go whinging to the AFL but I have very strong doubts that Demetriou will change his stance on this one, its just not his style, and to be honest I don't think the path to success is in demanding help to fix our problems.  We must accept total responsibility - we created it, we fix it - only we can control our destiny.  You said not to focus on the past and that is exactly right - don't focus on what has happened in the past with teams getting extra compensation, focus on getting the maximum value for every pick we end up with this year - that's where our success and improvement lies.  Too much time and energy will be wasted whinging to the AFL.  Spend that time doing our due diligence in this year's trade and drafts.

Fair enough smokey with most of your comments... but.. ;) I am not sure the draft willl run that deep this year with most of the picks going to the GC17 that there will be much left for us to show due diligence. Really, many on this forum whinged and are still whinging about us picking up players like Hicks, Whestoff, skinny players, ect... and I am afraid thats all that is going to be left, so get ready for more whinging. The future is this years draft and this year we need to try and change or at least be remunirated for future picks as a result of the new teams coming in. That is not looking in the past this is our future. Regardless of whether the AFL will or will not award us compensation we must try.
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“We are really excited about what we have brought in. We have got great depth of players that can take us where we need to go. We are just putting some cream on the top at the moment,” he said.

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Shaun Hampson is the No.1 man"

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Draft day will be sad to witness watching GC shaking hands with our players.

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Fair enough smokey with most of your comments... but.. ;) I am not sure the draft willl run that deep this year with most of the picks going to the GC17 that there will be much left for us to show due diligence. Really, many on this forum whinged and are still whinging about us picking up players like Hicks, Whestoff, skinny players, ect... and I am afraid thats all that is going to be left, so get ready for more whinging. The future is this years draft and this year we need to try and change or at least be remunirated for future picks as a result of the new teams coming in. That is not looking in the past this is our future. Regardless of whether the AFL will or will not award us compensation we must try.

Good debate WAT.  I really don't subscribe to the "draft runs deep" theory at any point.  I think that there are just as many good players available at any point in every draft - the skill is in the research you do and the luck of the draw on draft day itself.  Have a look at how many great players get picked up much further down than the top half dozen every single year.  To be honest, I reckon that once you go past the first 3 or 4 then you have just as much chance of picking up a good player at any pick.  If you look at Geelong's current side then many of them were late draft picks - they were picked after others that have since moved on.  What Geelong got right was doing the research and playing the numbers - law of averages says if you do your homework and back your judgment then X players out of Y picks will make it.  It's an unforgiving science in trying to unearth gems with almost every pick you get and that's why I think we are only just starting to get a decent return for our efforts - it is an area we were very badly under resourced and inept in for many years.  We need to keep funding and working on this critical area if we are really serious about catching and mixing it with the big boys.  Sitting on our hands and begging for handouts will not fix what's wrong.