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Re: Picks 8, 26, 58 and 70
« Reply #150 on: November 18, 2008, 09:40:28 PM »

Has Trengove been given the all clear?

Yeah it is in todays HUN page 85 - and here it is off the web  ;D

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24667181-19742,00.html

Report boost to Trengove's draft hopes
Jon Ralph | November 18, 2008 12:00am

STAR Vic Metro defender Jackson Trengove has roared back into top-10 calculations in the national draft after an excellent medical report on his troublesome knee. Clubs had grave fears about the athletic 196cm tall's playing future after complications with surgery in June to re-attach his hamstring tendon.

A nerve problem meant Trengove, 18, struggled with movement in his foot and required further surgery in July.

It meant his standing as one of the star talls of the first round was put in jeopardy despite his excellent junior credentials.

The Calder Cannon had been regarded as a certain top-10 selection after shining in attack and defence.

But clubs recently received his latest medical report, which indicates he is expected to make a full recovery.

The report circulated to the clubs from neurologist Richard Gerraty states he has had "marked improvement", which "indicates significant nerve recovery" since his last check-up.

Trengove is now expected to join what clubs are calling the best assortment of athletic talls in the draft's history.

Key position talls Nicholas Naitanui, Jack Watts, Tyrone Vickery, Michael Hurley and Shaun McKernan are all expected to join Western Bulldogs' father-son pick Ayce Cordy as first-round selections.

Trengove starred in the first game of this year's under-18 titles before ripping the hamstring in a training accident before the second game.

AFL talent manager Kevin Sheehan said it would be a relief for Trengove, who is due to finish his VCE exams today.

"He is a 197cm super-talented key forward/key defender that everyone was talking about before it all went sour and now he's back.

"There was uncertainty about his recovery but the report says it is just about a full recovery. He looks like a first-round choice," he said.

One AFL recruiter said yesterday:

"He was widely considered a top-10 draft pick before the knee complications and he has certainly polarised various clubs.

"Now his medical report is through, I would anticipate he would be a first-round pick fore sure."


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Re: Picks 8, 26, 58 and 70
« Reply #151 on: November 19, 2008, 07:33:34 PM »
Cheers WP  :cheers.

Good news for us. Either we can select him ourselves or if he's gone before pick 8 someone else of quality will slip down to us. Win win  :thumbsup.
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Re: Picks 8, 26, 58 and 70
« Reply #152 on: November 20, 2008, 10:01:51 AM »
Draft primer: Richmond

RICHMOND

Picks: 8, 26, 58, 70

Departures:

Greg Tivendale, Chris Hyde, Danny Meyer, Travis Casserly, David Gourdis (rookie)

Where’s the club at?

The Tigers are in the exciting/uncomfortable position of being mid-table and on the rise, and thus having to deal with a strange feeling – expectation. Along with Carlton, they're expected to be 2009's big improvers, having risen from 16th to ninth this year. With a solid defence, quick midfield and developing forward line, the Tigers simply must make the finals this year. If they do, it will be for just the third time in a quarter of a century, although they have finished ninth four times in the last decade.

Needs:

The Tigers need experience – unlikely to be procured through the draft – and depth, so expect to see them take the best players available. They could do with a ruckman to back up the big-hearted Troy Simmonds, while the move of Matthew Richardson to a wing means they could use a key forward or two to work with Jack Riewoldt. The back six is pretty settled, but another key defender or two can never hurt. No different to a lot of clubs around the middle of the table, really.

Recent drafts:

Poor ladder position means good draft picks, and the Tigers have loaded up in recent times. Trent Cotchin and Alex Rance were taken in 2007, while 2006 produced Matt White, Jack Riewoldt, Shane Edwards and Daniel Connors. The Tigers also traded to get Graham Polak, Mitch Morton and Jordan McMahon.

Chance of taking recycled players:

Unlikely. The Tigers showed faith in their young list in 2008 and it paid off. Expect them to build future depth rather than falling into the trap of topping up while outside the eight. Kent Kingsley in 2007, and Trent Knobel and Patrick Bowden in 2005 will be recent reminders of the dangers, although McMahon has been good since his arrival last year.

What coach Terry Wallace says:

 "Best player or needs? I'm best player, but you have to have a strategy for both. You never let Ian Stewart go past to try to pick up Whale Roberts, no offence to Whale. Trying to get the ruckman and you let a champion go past, you have to be careful of that. All of us still have to have a calculation of where our list is at, and what we still need to get a better list."

We say:

Whoever the Tigers get with pick eight should be stellar. The smart money is pointing to under-18 All-Australian Hamish Hartlett from Port Adelaide, brother of Carlton's Adam. But if he's gone, the Tigers could go for Vic Metro ruckman Tyrone Vickery if he has not already been snapped up. The whisper is that Port Adelaide is also trying to decide between the same pair, with the Tigers keen to scoop up whoever the Power doesn't take.

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Re: Picks 8, 26, 58 and 70
« Reply #153 on: November 20, 2008, 10:40:46 PM »
White was a PSD pick and Connors slipped to 58. Hardly early picks there. Gourdis wasn't a rookie either. Otherwise not a bad summary although nothing new.

Jordie's detractors must have missed "McMahon has been good since his arrival last year"  ;D 

Draft primer: Richmond
We say:

Whoever the Tigers get with pick eight should be stellar. The smart money is pointing to under-18 All-Australian Hamish Hartlett from Port Adelaide, brother of Carlton's Adam. But if he's gone, the Tigers could go for Vic Metro ruckman Tyrone Vickery if he has not already been snapped up. The whisper is that Port Adelaide is also trying to decide between the same pair, with the Tigers keen to scoop up whoever the Power doesn't take.
Cameron and Jackson will need to bring a coin to the draft and we can sit on Port's table and toss for Vickery lol.
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Emma Quayle on SEN - latest top 10
« Reply #154 on: November 21, 2008, 05:15:40 PM »
Emma Quayle's latest top order on SEN this arvo:

1. Melbourne - Watts
2. WCE - Naitanui
3. Freo - split between Rich or Hill (EQ said it's very up in the air from this point on)
4. Port - Hartlett, maybe Rich if he's there (could change as Williams apparently has a big influence on who they normally pick, but hasn't met with recruiters yet)
5. Essendon - Yarran (may have gone off?), Hurley or Sidebottom are other chances
6. Carlton - Rich, Yarran, Hurley (EQ guess in order ... dependent on which one slips through)
7. Brisbane - Ziebell
8. Richmond - Vickery (hoping for Hartlett)
9. North - Hurley (if he gets through), very keen on Johnston too
10. Adelaide - Trengove (I think she said undergoing some medical testing today, which will impact)

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Re: Picks 8, 26, 58 and 70
« Reply #155 on: November 21, 2008, 07:02:21 PM »
If it came down to Vickery or Hartlett, I would've thought Vickery as a ruckman/key forward would be at the top of our list out of the players likely to be available at pick 8 but either way we'd still end up with a quality kid. The more surprising early picks like Hill and Yarran before our pick #8 the better for Richmond.
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Re: Picks 8, 26, 58 and 70
« Reply #156 on: November 21, 2008, 10:23:59 PM »
agree the more early picks like hill and yarran the better for us.

i'm undecided whether i want hartlett or vickery more.  but she seems to imply we're bound to get one or the other, which is good news

but as she said, we're more keen on hartlett than vickery.  in that case, hope freo takes hill and port takes rich.  which will likely give us a choice of the 2

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Re: Picks 8, 26, 58 and 70
« Reply #157 on: November 21, 2008, 10:42:15 PM »
Relating to us Emma Quayle said Mark Williams is overseas and he hasn't sat down with Port's recruiters yet (happens next week) so she doesn't know for sure what they will do but she believes they'll go for Hartlett unless Rich is available. She hence has us taking Vickery as Hartlett most likely won't be around at pick 8.

Just on Trengove she said he is having tests on his knee today - still having some nerve issues.

She thinks there could be a dozen different scenarios and this year is a nightmare to try to predict. Freo will set the tone. Hill or Rich will ripple down through the first round. Hill may go at 3 or not even make the top 10.

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Re: Picks 8, 26, 58 and 70
« Reply #158 on: November 21, 2008, 11:06:52 PM »
Ch 10 news interviewed and showed young ruckman Jarred Redden playing for Woodville-West Torrens last night. Not sure if he'll be around at pick 58 but he looked a good size and models himself on Dean Cox.
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Emma Quayle's top 25 (Age)
« Reply #159 on: November 23, 2008, 05:02:37 PM »
Here's Emma Quayle's top 25 kids (not a mock draft).

Judgement Day
Emma Quayle | November 23, 2008

FIRST, some apologies. I am a big fan of Tom Lynch’s bustle, and think he may well end up a first-round draft choice on Saturday. James Strauss has a lovely kick, David Zaharakis has speed and I like Luke Shuey’s ability to involve the players around him. Not to mentionTom Rockliff’s simple knack for getting the ball and kicking goals.

Those five players have all held a place in my top 25 in the past weeks and months, with Jordan Roughead, Rhys O’Keefe, Michael Gugliotta, Dan Hannebery, Rhys Stanley and Mitch Robinson also, in my opinion, chances to play good AFL football. I found it really hard to separate the players from about Michael Walters onwards.

OK, now that I’ve covered my butt . . .

This is not a mock draft, more my personal rankings of this year’s draft crop, after seeing the boys play live, watching a stack of tapes, interviewing many of the players, speaking to people who know them well and running my thoughts past some trusted advisers.

Looking back at last year’s list, I am reasonably happy. I should have had the nerve to put Pat Veszpremi up higher. “Junior” Rioli looked after me, and I was satisfied with the small glimpses we saw of Patrick Dangerfield this season. I’d probably nudge Callan Ward up a few spots based on what I saw this year, and Rhys Palmer at No. 12? Hmm . . . that maybe my slip-up, but I still believe others may pass him as their careers unfold from here. Let’s wait and see.

1. Jack Watts
(Sandringham Dragons, 196 centimetres, 82 kilograms)
Watts is the most complete prospect in this year’s draft. He has all the athletic qualities you could want in a key forward — he’s quick, agile, he’s a good kick and he can mark. Most importantly, it’s not all potential as he has put all those things on show already. Watts loves a big stage — witness his last-minute pack mark and match-winning goal in the first game of this year’s national under-18s championships — and seems a really happy, assured and at-ease person. He has major ambition and I think he’ll lap up the challenge of being at the wooden spoon club.

2. Chris Yarran
(Swan Districts, 180cm, 83kg)
For the past few days I’ve been thinking: can you really have Chris at No. 2? But I’m backing him in. He is just an exceptionally gifted player. People are going to love watching him. He has beautiful skills and an ability to either involve those around him or just do it himself and kick goals. He hasn’t proved himself as a midfielder, but as he develops his fitness — and I think he’ll thrive in an AFL environment — he’ll spend increasing time in there. Eighteen months ago, Chris was incredibly shy, he almost didn’t even want people to notice him. Now, he seems so much more content and confident in himself. I think he’ll be a great player.

3. Nick Naitanui
(Swan Districts, 201cm, 94kg)
Nick “Nat” has some work to do, but which draftee doesn’t have skills to hone? He offers far too much and can do too many things to drop him any lower than here. We’ve all been told how high he can jump and how fast he can run, but what I love is how, if the ball is anywhere near him, he will fight to the death to win it, tackling anyone in his way. He is determined to learn and improve, and I think his progress will speed up enormously once he starts working with AFL coaches every day.

4. Jackson Trengove
(Calder Cannons, 197cm, 89kg)
Need someone to play on “Buddy”? Jackson’s your man. He has the height, the pace and the athleticism and although he’s played a lot as a ruckman, he looks natural in defence. Some have queried his kick, but it looks OK to me. What I like most is that he’s a real ruffian — he loves getting stuck into opponents and roughing them up, getting into their heads. I saw him unsettle the normally unfl appable Ben McEvoy playing for the Calder Cannons against Murray last year, and hear he did the same thing to Jack Watts in a scratch match during the AIS Academy’s South African trip this year. He’d be a great, strong-minded person to have around a club. Pending another positive final medial report — he tore his hamstring from behind his knee this year — I’d happily pick him.

5. Tyrone Vickery
(Sandringham Dragons, 200cm, 89kg)
Vickery is intriguing. Every time I got it into my head that I like him better as a key forward, he didn’t attack his marks with the vigour I’d remembered, but played with really nice touch in the ruck. Then, when I watched him as a ruckman, he’d be hurling himself around in the forward line and looking much better there. At the end of it all, I really like him. Sometimes, it worries me when you can’t decide which position a player best fits, but I think Vickery legitimately does both well.

6. Hamish Hartlett
(West Adelaide, 184cm, 77kg)
Hartlett is a class act: he’s not a speed machine, but he can pick where the ball’s going to go and gets there first. His ability to get his arms and hands free while being tackled is impressive. His skills are top notch, he can do good things in tight spaces, and he knows how to kick goals. He’s had a year out of school working and I think he’s itching to get to an AFL team and get this thing started.

7. Tom Swift
(Claremont, 191cm, 85kg)
Swift is a big call here, given he has barely played in two years. But all I’ve ever seen of him, I’ve loved — he wins heaps of the ball and I really like how he ducks into packs and emerges out the other side with the ball. He’s grown, and he has speed. It’s a worry that neither of his two knee injuries has involved contact, but all I’ve heard on his progress has been encouraging. Tom seems a smart, sensible kid and you can expect to see his name in a leadership group before too long.

8. Ayce Cordy (Geelong Falcons, 202cm, 78kg)
I haven’t seen a heap of Ayce — he had a shoulder reconstruction this
year — but on what I saw at the end of 2007 and in an AIS game this year, I’m happy to rank him here. He is one of the skinniest people I have ever laid eyes on, but his height — combined with his running ability, make him quite a scary proposition. I don’t think that there’s a player like him around, so if he makes it, I’m not sure who you put on him. He’s a really clean mark and the way he can scoop up balls at his feet is quite incredible.

9. Daniel Rich
(Subiaco, 184cm, 83kg)
Rich is as tough as they come. Lock him in to play a lot of games at a high level. He wins his own ball and has one of the longest, loveliest leftfoot kicks you’ll see. The question is how much — in his second senior WAFL season — he has developed this year, and I know he is keen to start improving his work-rate so he can bust past the taggers. But like Hartlett, he’s been out of school for a year and was ready to be drafted last year. He’d be desperate to get into it and like any 18-year-old, has plenty of improvement in him.

10. Steele Sidebottom
(Murray Bushrangers, 184cm, 81kg)
Sidebottom reminds me a bit of a little Jack Russell terrier — always seems to be hanging around, always on the move, looking for something to do. I think this, in combination with his great instincts — he knows where to get to, just before he needs to be there — make up for his lack of leg speed. He’s a great overhead mark for his size and it will be interesting to see if this can translate to AFL level, where everyone will be bigger again. He plays with poise, dare and inventiveness.

11. Jack Ziebell
(Murray Bushrangers, 188cm, 86kg)
Supporters will love Ziebell. He has a knack for winning up-for-grabs balls, and is brave and strong-willed (with a classy kick, on both sides, to match). The question is where his spot will be — forward, midfield or back? Or could he end up doing all, whenever required, well? He won’t die wondering, will really inspire his teammates to come with him and will wind up a leader.

12. Stephen Hill
(184cm, 69kg)
Don’t be fooled by this skinny little whippet — he’s as tough as they come. He’s got great skills and as his confidence grows (I think he’ll take a little while to adjust to AFL footy) he’ll start breaking away on some dashing runs and kicking long goals. He’s busy, diligent, and will be highly exciting to watch.

13. Michael Hurley
(Northern Knights, 193cm, 92kg)
Hurley is big and mean — but there’s more to him than that. A key defender, he controls the space around him really well, never seems to get rattled, has excellent anticipation and can hit teammates on the chest from 50 metres away. The question is positioning — Hurley looks a natural full-back, but he might get caught out for pace off-the mark against the sort of full-forwards he’d have to play on. That said, I’d call his name knowing he could play centre half-back or as a forward.

14. Sam Blease
(Eastern Ranges, 184cm, 70kg)
Blease is another dasher. He’ll get the ball, run, give it, get it back and run again. Of the line breakers in this draft, he and Hill are the best. He’s still skinny, but his height is fi ne and he has great balance. I think he could become a bigger possession winner at AFL level — the way the game is played will suit him.

15. Nick Suban
(North Ballarat Rebels, 180cm, 83kg)
Suban is a natural — he gets the ball, can take a mark, and has a thumping kick on him. He can get through traffic with a shake of his hips and has notched some good handball receive numbers this year too. The skinfolds need attention, but I’m sure that will happen once he himself gets into a club.

16. Michael Walters
(Swan Districts, 177cm, 73kg)
If Walters slips out of the top 20, someone’s getting a bargain. I’d consider him a midfi elder, but perhaps he’ll start out in the forward line. He’s not zippy, but has a knack for winning contested footy and finding space. A nice, smart, nifty little player with lovely skills.

17. Phil Davis
(North Adelaide, 196cm, 85kg)
I wish I could have seen more of Davis, who injured his shoulder midyear, but everything I’ve seen, I’ve liked, so I feel comfortable including him. He’s an athletic backman who likes to bound away when he can. You won’t hear anyone say a bad word about his nature and leadership potential.

18. Lewis Johnston
(North Adelaide, 193cm, 84kg)
Johnstone has tricks — I can’t see him becoming a real power forward, but he’ll grab crafty marks when he doesn’t seem in the contest and kick goals from the boundary line. Might kick six one week and then none the next, but come up with the match winner after the siren. I see him as a full forward — he’s smart, with speed off the mark and anticipation. A “could be anything” type.

19. Mitch Brown
(Sandringham Dragons, 195cm, 82kg)
Brown is this year’s bolter — he could be a surprise fi rst-rounder having missed the Dragons squad at the start of the year. I like how hard he works — a key forward, he pushes really hard both up and across the ground. He’s a really honest player, no mucking around. He gets himself into space to mark and has also grabbed some good ones under pressure.

20. Shaun McKernan
(Calder Cannons, 196cm, 94kg)
McKernan will become a very big man. The query’s on where he’ll play — is he big enough to play in the ruck (he has a great leap) or will he become a better forward? I like him as a forward — his strength is his long arms, and he instinctively goes for the ball with them stretched up high. His marks tend to stick. He’s not as boisterous as Trengove, he’s a quieter kid, but seems to have some real resolve about him.

21. Dayne Beams
(Southport, 186cm, 77kg)
Beams is a neat and tidy midfielder. He brings teammates into the game with his handpassing and is willing to push back hard and link things up — often getting two or three possessions as his team takes the ball through the midfield.

22. Jordan Lisle
(Oakleigh Chargers, 195cm, 93kg)
I can see Lisle turning into a monster centre half-back (although he’s also played forward a lot). Like Hurley, he hasn’t got a burst of speed, but seems really sure of himself and in control of the space around him.

23. Ashley Smith
(Dandenong Stingrays, 186cm, 85kg)
Ash, I think, is a midfi eld prospect, although he’s played forward and looks good at half back — really diffi cult to get past. Great speed, great balance and a beautiful kick. I’m sure as he develops he’ll learn to run with the ball even more. There’s not much fuss about him either, he has an “all business” look about him.

24. Ryan Schoenmakers
(Norwood, 194cm, 84kg)
On first look, Schoenmakers seems a “third tall” type, although at 194- centimetres he may become more than that. He’s been compared to Ryan O’Keefe and that’s fair — he works pretty hard up the ground, and has clean hands. Once in a game, he also seems capable of kicking multiple goals.

25. Casey Sibosado
(Xavier College/ Oakleigh Chargers, 192cm, 72kg)
Here’s my smokey. I can’t see anyone picking Sibosado this high, but once he turns out to be a star I want to be able to say “I told you so”. (note: If he doesn’t work out let’s pretend this article never happened!). Casey has talent, pure and simple — he gets the ball when he shouldn’t, has a knack for nudging players in the back with his chest and getting his arms up to mark, he times his leaps really well and can play down back and go for a run, although I like him as a forward most. The trick for him is forcing his own involvement in a game. But once he’s in it, he can do anything. If he makes it, he’ll be hugely exciting to watch.

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Re: Picks 8, 26, 58 and 70
« Reply #160 on: November 23, 2008, 05:11:24 PM »
Per all the experts, who would have thought the we would be disapointed if we get Vickery because we missed out on Harlett.

Mate ,I sure will be celebrating - hey Brother, will still be wrapped if we get JT.

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Re: Picks 8, 26, 58 and 70
« Reply #161 on: November 23, 2008, 06:14:51 PM »
Ill be happy with any of Hartlett Vickery Swift or Trengove. Outside of this group for pick 8 and Id be disappointed with the selection.

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Re: Picks 8, 26, 58 and 70
« Reply #162 on: November 23, 2008, 10:24:01 PM »
Well if the draft went in the order Emma has the kids listed then it's Rich to Richmond. Yes please!

 
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Re: Picks 8, 26, 58 and 70
« Reply #163 on: November 23, 2008, 10:56:56 PM »
Well if the draft went in the order Emma has the kids listed then it's Rich to Richmond. Yes please!

 

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Re: Picks 8, 26, 58 and 70
« Reply #164 on: November 23, 2008, 11:37:37 PM »
Hamish Hartlett :) - hope he slips down to us!

i think Port Adelaide will take Vickery

i think Brisbane might take Ziebell