Ruckmen at Tigerland

[Loui Tufga]

is this the one you are talking about?

the only thing I think we really lack is a developing pure  ruckman, we have a plethora of developing mobil ruckman that can play forward and back but nothing in the mold of a good big bodied pure ruckman. Maybe there will be no place in the game for this style of player in 5 years time who knows....

One of them mate, but your such fun to play with... ....now be a good fellow and run off and find me some more, there's a good boy..

How about quoting me in context!! Where is the rest of he conversation? And where have I said our ruck stocks are fine??

All I said there is we have a Plethora of DEVELOPING "Mobile Ruckman" which is true!! Vickery, Elton, Grifiths and McBean are all you YOUNG developing Forwards/Rucks who all have potential to play that rotating Ruck/Forward position! The post also states we have NO developing PURE ruckman in he mould of Maric, Sandilands, Giles, Jolly ect which is also true and I wholeheartedly believe the club needs to address this problem ASAP and personally I can't believe we didn't this draft!!

Now while your at it why don't you go back and read pages 1 and 2 and read where I mentioned we need to get Dan Currie! In case you didn't notice He's he guy who gave our Derickx and Stephenson an absolute bath on he weekend and is the sole reason you felt the need to start a fresh Ruckman Needed thread!!

McBean wasn't with us when you said it...

Ummmmmm, yes he was   Just incase you weren't aware  the National Draft was on the 22nd of November

[WA Tiger]

is this the one you are talking about?

the only thing I think we really lack is a developing pure  ruckman, we have a plethora of developing mobil ruckman that can play forward and back but nothing in the mold of a good big bodied pure ruckman. Maybe there will be no place in the game for this style of player in 5 years time who knows....

One of them mate, but your such fun to play with... ....now be a good fellow and run off and find me some more, there's a good boy..

How about quoting me in context!! Where is the rest of he conversation? And where have I said our ruck stocks are fine??

All I said there is we have a Plethora of DEVELOPING "Mobile Ruckman" which is true!! Vickery, Elton, Grifiths and McBean are all you YOUNG developing Forwards/Rucks who all have potential to play that rotating Ruck/Forward position! The post also states we have NO developing PURE ruckman in he mould of Maric, Sandilands, Giles, Jolly ect which is also true and I wholeheartedly believe the club needs to address this problem ASAP and personally I can't believe we didn't this draft!!

Now while your at it why don't you go back and read pages 1 and 2 and read where I mentioned we need to get Dan Currie! In case you didn't notice He's he guy who gave our Derickx and Stephenson an absolute bath on he weekend and is the sole reason you felt the need to start a fresh Ruckman Needed thread!!

McBean wasn't with us when you said it...

Ummmmmm, yes he was   Just incase you weren't aware  the National Draft was on the 22nd of November

I knew that..

[Penelope]

Well, that answers one question then.

[tiga]

Well, that answers one question then.

Why are we reading this thread? 

[the claw]

is this the one you are talking about?

the only thing I think we really lack is a developing pure  ruckman, we have a plethora of developing mobil ruckman that can play forward and back but nothing in the mold of a good big bodied pure ruckman. Maybe there will be no place in the game for this style of player in 5 years time who knows....

Thats actually pretty accurate ^

I really don't think we have a "plethora" of any sort of ruckman, let alone mobile ones....Maric is it IMO.

If you think Maric is our only ruckman you've gone completely delusional hahahah

in the literal sense we have 5, maric, stephenson, derickx, vickery and mcbean. all taken primarily as ruckmen.
in 3 yrs time where are these players likely to be at.
maric 30yo still the only genuine #1 ruckman.
stephenson will be lucky to last one yr so he will be gone.
derickx just hasnt shown a thing the odds are he is gone.

vickery will likely be a kpf he wont be our #1 ruckman.
mcbean well in 3 yrs time he is unlikely to have the size still to play as a #1 ruckman. like vickery i reckon hes primarily a kpp.

this seems to be pretty logical to me and what atm looks most likely. do we plan for this or do we do what we always have and just hope.

in the realistic sense we have just one up to standard first ruck in maric and hes a  27yo.

So you admit we have more than one ruckman

did i ??? you sure.
lol its seems your incapable of understanding the debate. it  is not how many rucks but quality and type.
you can have 20 potential  ruckmen  in name but if only one is capable of playing 1st ruck at the level,  you effectively only have one 1st ruck.

we may well have 5 ruckmen but we sure are in dire need of more.

[Yeahright]

is this the one you are talking about?

the only thing I think we really lack is a developing pure  ruckman, we have a plethora of developing mobil ruckman that can play forward and back but nothing in the mold of a good big bodied pure ruckman. Maybe there will be no place in the game for this style of player in 5 years time who knows....

Thats actually pretty accurate ^

I really don't think we have a "plethora" of any sort of ruckman, let alone mobile ones....Maric is it IMO.

If you think Maric is our only ruckman you've gone completely delusional hahahah

in the literal sense we have 5, maric, stephenson, derickx, vickery and mcbean. all taken primarily as ruckmen.
in 3 yrs time where are these players likely to be at.
maric 30yo still the only genuine #1 ruckman.
stephenson will be lucky to last one yr so he will be gone.
derickx just hasnt shown a thing the odds are he is gone.

vickery will likely be a kpf he wont be our #1 ruckman.
mcbean well in 3 yrs time he is unlikely to have the size still to play as a #1 ruckman. like vickery i reckon hes primarily a kpp.

this seems to be pretty logical to me and what atm looks most likely. do we plan for this or do we do what we always have and just hope.

in the realistic sense we have just one up to standard first ruck in maric and hes a  27yo.

So you admit we have more than one ruckman

did i ??? you sure.
lol its seems your incapable of understanding the debate. it  is not how many rucks but quality and type.
you can have 20 potential  ruckmen  in name but if only one is capable of playing 1st ruck at the level,  you effectively only have one 1st ruck.

we may well have 5 ruckmen but we sure are in dire need of more.

Lol. My point was we have more than one ruckman, no one mentioned decent and someones prattling on about another poster for posting we had more than one as if he was wrong, but he wasnt. Keep up with the program

[Coach]

Interesting reading here then.....

http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=16767.30

OK read the page you linked to. How many pages do I have to read to find someone say our ruck stocks are covered?

Read it all, I didn't stop on that page for any reason, there are even some special comments in there from al, the player expert...

WAT that whole page read like a Coach Davey fishing expedition that would make Rex Hunt proud. He only used to confess his love of the Beefcake just to get people revved up.

Even to his last post on page 20 ,

Not sure Angus was on our list in December

[yellowandback]

Well, that answers one question then.

Why are we reading this thread? 

In the off chance we get to see your avatar?

[WA Tiger]

Interesting reading here then.....

http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=16767.30

OK read the page you linked to. How many pages do I have to read to find someone say our ruck stocks are covered?

Read it all, I didn't stop on that page for any reason, there are even some special comments in there from al, the player expert...

WAT that whole page read like a Coach Davey fishing expedition that would make Rex Hunt proud. He only used to confess his love of the Beefcake just to get people revved up.

Even to his last post on page 20 ,

Not sure Angus was on our list in December

Said it before, still think we should of kept Gus, too late now...must focus on a decent ruckmant next year!!

[gerkin greg]

In terms of skill, Gus would be our second best ruckman, but there is a minimum standard that must be met in terms of commitment, or 'heart', for lack of a better word, and Gus did not meet that standard after being given multiple chances to lift. Lost the respect of his teammates and wouldnt work hard enough to restore it. Had to go. If he turns it around at Adelaide, good luck to him, but he'd shown little respect for the Richmond jumper too many times.

The reverse of this is that blokes that always go 100% but are poo are still on the list. I think we all know who they are   

[Willy]

Well said, Gerks.

[Ox]

The future of ruckmen lies in big Africans that can run and jump.

We best recruit some soon.

[DCrane]

Experimenting with basketballers as potential ruckman needs to keep happening. Trying to train a Matt Dea type into a dime a dozen HBF is a waste of time, but ruck has evolved and I'm all for trying out a few beanpoles from the vbl. For example as Ox so eloquently described there are a bunch of young African guys playing at Waverly at the moment. Or use the international rookies on a ruck.
Ruck is where the game starts. It's the first opportunity to influence the game. I like Grant Thomas but he is a fool on this topic.
I know the basketball experiment overall has not really produced anything spectacular (I don't think basketball can claim NicNat, even though he looks like he would be awesome) but the ruck is one area worth persevering with.

[Smokey]

I agree DC.  I think from memory Dean Brogan was a basketballer first?

[gerkin greg]

yep, won an NBL championship