Ruckmen at Tigerland

[Loui Tufga]

Pinhead Patton was a basketballer, only really got ino his footy a couple of years ago. His Brother plays collage basketball in the states........

[WA Tiger]

So for the 3rd year in a row there are ruckmen available during the trade period, will we pursue them with vigor for a change or will we do what we have done for the past 3 years, sit back and watch them go to other clubs.

If we don't pick up another ruckman I have a feeling it will come back to bite us, particularly around finals time if Maric goes down. Stephenson is not the answer and other than him we have no one....one of our weakest areas for mine.

[Hard Roar Tiger]

Funny that, I could've sworn we picked up Maric 2 years ago....

[YellowandBlackBlood]

Should look at Sandilands younger brother. Overlooked last year, he will be a monster.

[WA Tiger]

Funny that, I could've sworn we picked up Maric 2 years ago....

Exactly, only Maric, that's it, one ruckman in three years, probably longer. Other clubs keep their ruck stocks topped up every year, they always have two main ruckmen in the side (most teams) and another back up, we have one with Stephenson who is really on the way out, I wouldn't expect a big year out of him.

Is that adequate enough for you??

Think you missed my point.

[Smokey]

Funny that, I could've sworn we picked up Maric 2 years ago....

Exactly, only Maric, that's it, one ruckman in three years, probably longer. Other clubs keep their ruck stocks topped up every year, they always have two main ruckmen in the side (most teams) and another back up, we have one with Stephenson who is really on the way out, I wouldn't expect a big year out of him.

Is that adequate enough for you??

Think you missed my point.

2008 - Vickery
2010 - Derickx
2011 - Maric
2012 - Stephenson, McBean

We've been taking 1 each year for 3 years now and will be taking at least another one this year for sure.  I been spruiking for years that it's the last piece of the puzzle we need to fill and the time is almost right to do that but it's not right to say we've only picked up 1 ruckman in over 3 years.

[Coach]

In fairness to the walrus, McBean played TAC Cup at CHB & CHF didn't he? Since being recruited he has played as a full time forward. Derickx isn't a ruckmans arse so there's another one. But I suppose he does play there

[WA Tiger]

Funny that, I could've sworn we picked up Maric 2 years ago....

Exactly, only Maric, that's it, one ruckman in three years, probably longer. Other clubs keep their ruck stocks topped up every year, they always have two main ruckmen in the side (most teams) and another back up, we have one with Stephenson who is really on the way out, I wouldn't expect a big year out of him.

Is that adequate enough for you??

Think you missed my point.

2008 - Vickery
2010 - Derickx
2011 - Maric
2012 - Stephenson, McBean

We've been taking 1 each year for 3 years now and will be taking at least another one this year for sure.  I been spruiking for years that it's the last piece of the puzzle we need to fill and the time is almost right to do that but it's not right to say we've only picked up 1 ruckman in over 3 years.

C'mon Smokey, that's not on the money mate!!! Vickery is more a forward/relief ruckman. Forget Derickx he is not a decent ruckman and never was. Stephenson is a short term ruckman, McBean is a forward.

Let me put it like this, when have we or are we going to target a KPP ruckman, a big name ruckman, a young named ruckman?? We need to fill this gap and we haven't.

[Smokey]

Funny that, I could've sworn we picked up Maric 2 years ago....

Exactly, only Maric, that's it, one ruckman in three years, probably longer. Other clubs keep their ruck stocks topped up every year, they always have two main ruckmen in the side (most teams) and another back up, we have one with Stephenson who is really on the way out, I wouldn't expect a big year out of him.

Is that adequate enough for you??

Think you missed my point.

2008 - Vickery
2010 - Derickx
2011 - Maric
2012 - Stephenson, McBean

We've been taking 1 each year for 3 years now and will be taking at least another one this year for sure.  I been spruiking for years that it's the last piece of the puzzle we need to fill and the time is almost right to do that but it's not right to say we've only picked up 1 ruckman in over 3 years.

C'mon Smokey, that's not on the money mate!!! Vickery is more a forward/relief ruckman. Forget Derickx he is not a decent ruckman and never was. Stephenson is a short term ruckman, McBean is a forward.

Let me put it like this, when have we or are we going to target a KPP ruckman, a big name ruckman, a young named ruckman?? We need to fill this gap and we haven't.

Hang on, you said "Exactly, only Maric, that's it, one ruckman in three years, probably longer." and that's what I responded to, nothing else.  If you had said decent ruckman or big name ruckman or young named ruckman then the whole context of your post would be different and I wouldn't have replied with that info.  And on the subject, Vickery was taken as a ruckman but we have chosen as a club to develop him as a forward/ruck in his development years and even if we remove McBean from my list then we still took another ruckman that year so my point is still valid and correct.

And now allow me to re-spruik what I believe about timeframes in our list development - the ruckman is the last piece of the puzzle needed and we can chase that piece when our window is firmly open(ing), there is absolutely no need to spend the money or waste trade picks on a quality ruckman until we are ready to fire.  And now is approaching that time so in my opinion we shouldn't have been chasing a quality ruckman up until this year and I'm glad and comfortable with the fact the club didn't.  We took Vickery and Derickx as development opportunities and Maric as a replacement for the spud Graham.  Now Vickery is a viable option, Derickx will be flicked and Maric needs a hand/challenge hence the reason we are looking at more options, especially those that are ready to go.  Sound strategy and timing by the club imho.

[WA Tiger]

Funny that, I could've sworn we picked up Maric 2 years ago....

Exactly, only Maric, that's it, one ruckman in three years, probably longer. Other clubs keep their ruck stocks topped up every year, they always have two main ruckmen in the side (most teams) and another back up, we have one with Stephenson who is really on the way out, I wouldn't expect a big year out of him.

Is that adequate enough for you??

Think you missed my point.

2008 - Vickery
2010 - Derickx
2011 - Maric
2012 - Stephenson, McBean

We've been taking 1 each year for 3 years now and will be taking at least another one this year for sure.  I been spruiking for years that it's the last piece of the puzzle we need to fill and the time is almost right to do that but it's not right to say we've only picked up 1 ruckman in over 3 years.

C'mon Smokey, that's not on the money mate!!! Vickery is more a forward/relief ruckman. Forget Derickx he is not a decent ruckman and never was. Stephenson is a short term ruckman, McBean is a forward.

Let me put it like this, when have we or are we going to target a KPP ruckman, a big name ruckman, a young named ruckman?? We need to fill this gap and we haven't.

Hang on, you said "Exactly, only Maric, that's it, one ruckman in three years, probably longer." and that's what I responded to, nothing else.  If you had said decent ruckman or big name ruckman or young named ruckman then the whole context of your post would be different and I wouldn't have replied with that info.  And on the subject, Vickery was taken as a ruckman but we have chosen as a club to develop him as a forward/ruck in his development years and even if we remove McBean from my list then we still took another ruckman that year so my point is still valid and correct.

And now allow me to re-spruik what I believe about timeframes in our list development - the ruckman is the last piece of the puzzle needed and we can chase that piece when our window is firmly open(ing), there is absolutely no need to spend the money or waste trade picks on a quality ruckman until we are ready to fire.  And now is approaching that time so in my opinion we shouldn't have been chasing a quality ruckman up until this year and I'm glad and comfortable with the fact the club didn't.  We took Vickery and Derickx as development opportunities and Maric as a replacement for the spud Graham.  Now Vickery is a viable option, Derickx will be flicked and Maric needs a hand/challenge hence the reason we are looking at more options, especially those that are ready to go.  Sound strategy and timing by the club imho.

Sorry Smokey I honestly thought you of all people would understand what I meant, I mean geezus man, Maric has pretty well played a lone hand and who before him mate??????????

Well will took Griff as a forward....so Vickers as a dedicated ruckman hasn't worked, only a pinch hitter....agree with the rest of your post.

[Smokey]

Sorry Smokey I honestly thought you of all people would understand what I meant, I mean geezus man, Maric has pretty well played a lone hand and who before him mate??????????

Well will took Griff as a forward....so Vickers as a dedicated ruckman hasn't worked, only a pinch hitter....agree with the rest of your post.

Yeah but you can't pick and choose in hindsight about who is a 'ruckman' and who isn't.  When we took Maric he was a 3-4th stringer not getting a game at Adelaide and he was just as likely to fail as succeed, same as Derickx was a mature age who had showed recent promise at the lower level and there was no way of predicting if he wasn't going to be a success so in my eyes your statement was literal.  If it wasn't then you have identified the lone ruckman after the event and that is an entirely different conversation.  We took Vickery as a ruckman, we took Derickx as a ruckman, we took Maric as a ruckman and we took Stephenson as a ruckman.  It's not fair for you to wait until they have all had a crack to then say we have only taken 1 ruckman because the others have failed.  What would you have said if Maric also failed, or if Maric, Derickx and Stephenson had all fired?  That we still only took 1 ruckman?

[Judge Roughneck]

Did we draft Vickery as a ruck man?

[WA Tiger]

Sorry Smokey I honestly thought you of all people would understand what I meant, I mean geezus man, Maric has pretty well played a lone hand and who before him mate??????????

Well will took Griff as a forward....so Vickers as a dedicated ruckman hasn't worked, only a pinch hitter....agree with the rest of your post.

Yeah but you can't pick and choose in hindsight about who is a 'ruckman' and who isn't.  When we took Maric he was a 3-4th stringer not getting a game at Adelaide and he was just as likely to fail as succeed, same as Derickx was a mature age who had showed recent promise at the lower level and there was no way of predicting if he wasn't going to be a success so in my eyes your statement was literal.  If it wasn't then you have identified the lone ruckman after the event and that is an entirely different conversation.  We took Vickery as a ruckman, we took Derickx as a ruckman, we took Maric as a ruckman and we took Stephenson as a ruckman.  It's not fair for you to wait until they have all had a crack to then say we have only taken 1 ruckman because the others have failed.  What would you have said if Maric also failed, or if Maric, Derickx and Stephenson had all fired?  That we still only took 1 ruckman?

I can say what I want in hindsight, end of story is; we have one decent recognised ruckman, that is what I meant!! I don't give a stuff about what and who we recruited for the rackman role, they haven't worked (bar Maric) We have not had 2-3 recognised ruckman since I don't know when..Ottens and co??...we need more, that's it.

[Smokey]

Did we draft Vickery as a ruck man?

Yep.

[WA Tiger]

But Maric is it!!!