World Cup 2022 Bid [merged]

[Judge Roughneck]

Or the AFL could play games in country Victoria for one season out of 200 years.

And give something back to real supporters of the game.

Never going to happen as the AFL and its clubs would lose millions of dollars. By 2022 virtually all clubs will have 40-50k members minimum. The AFL needs a stadium of 50k in Melbourne to play its games and allow club members to all attend.

I could see though clubs playing practice matches in country areas during the 4 week midseason break the AFL is willing to have.

A world cup in Australia would make 100's millions of dollars for this country.

I am sure the Aust. goverment or the FFA would give money to the AFL to make up for one season of loses if the AFL had the balls to play games in the country.

The FFA has little money and is putting in $0 into the bid and WC infrastructure. That is why this bid is being 100% taxpayer funded.

FFA = Lowy = $$

Lowy = Westfield = $$$

Lowy = FFA input into WC bid = $0

frank lowy influence influence is worth more than money

taking FIFA officals out on his private yacht etc. will have impact

[mightytiges]

Or the AFL could play games in country Victoria for one season out of 200 years.

And give something back to real supporters of the game.

Never going to happen as the AFL and its clubs would lose millions of dollars. By 2022 virtually all clubs will have 40-50k members minimum. The AFL needs a stadium of 50k in Melbourne to play its games and allow club members to all attend.

I could see though clubs playing practice matches in country areas during the 4 week midseason break the AFL is willing to have.

A world cup in Australia would make 100's millions of dollars for this country.

I am sure the Aust. goverment or the FFA would give money to the AFL to make up for one season of loses if the AFL had the balls to play games in the country.

The FFA has little money and is putting in $0 into the bid and WC infrastructure. That is why this bid is being 100% taxpayer funded.

FFA = Lowy = $$

Lowy = Westfield = $$$

Lowy = FFA input into WC bid = $0

frank lowy influence influence is worth more than money

taking FIFA officals out on his private yacht etc. will have impact

True Bents but Lowy also needs to get the home front organised because to date it has been a shambles from the FFA. When you look at the American bid with its 21 stadia all with capacity of 65k or more  it shows what we are up against in this 2022 bid. Everyone needs to go right which it hasn't so far.

[Judge Roughneck]

Or the AFL could play games in country Victoria for one season out of 200 years.

And give something back to real supporters of the game.

Never going to happen as the AFL and its clubs would lose millions of dollars. By 2022 virtually all clubs will have 40-50k members minimum. The AFL needs a stadium of 50k in Melbourne to play its games and allow club members to all attend.

I could see though clubs playing practice matches in country areas during the 4 week midseason break the AFL is willing to have.

A world cup in Australia would make 100's millions of dollars for this country.

I am sure the Aust. goverment or the FFA would give money to the AFL to make up for one season of loses if the AFL had the balls to play games in the country.

The FFA has little money and is putting in $0 into the bid and WC infrastructure. That is why this bid is being 100% taxpayer funded.

FFA = Lowy = $$

Lowy = Westfield = $$$

Lowy = FFA input into WC bid = $0

frank lowy influence influence is worth more than money

taking FIFA officals out on his private yacht etc. will have impact

True Bents but Lowy also needs to get the home front organised because to date it has been a shambles from the FFA. When you look at the American bid with its 21 stadia all with capacity of 65k or more  it shows what we are up against in this 2022 bid. Everyone needs to go right which it hasn't so far.

The World Cup Final will take place at the MCG.   

[mightytiges]

The World Cup Final will take place at the MCG.   

It should be played at the MCG given the 'G's sporting history and tradition and the fact Soccer's biggest attendances for the A-league are clearly in Melbourne. But don't be surprised if Lowy and the Sydney-centric goons who think they own Soccer want the final played at Homebush  .

[one-eyed]

AFL blocks Ian Collins World Cup soccer bid for Etihad Stadium
 * Michael Warner
 * Herald Sun
 * February 18, 2010

THE AFL has scored again with Etihad Stadium chief Ian Collins all but closing the door on World Cup soccer being staged at the Docklands venue.

 In the latest blow to soccer's bid to host the World Cup in Australia in 2018 or 2022, Collins said yesterday he would honour his stadium's 25-year contract to host AFL matches.

"It's pretty simple to us. Our major tenant is the AFL and they have pre-emptive rights on scheduling," Collins told the Herald Sun.

"And if the AFL decides that they want to schedule 100 footy matches here between February and September then they are entitled to do it.

"They have those rights. If it was in summer time it would be a different kettle of fish. But the real issue is the World Cup is going to be held during winter."

AFL boss Andrew Demetriou has declared Etihad Stadium off limits for World Cup matches - but Collins, until now, has been reluctant to weigh into the cross-code feud.

"The other issue is that there are a lot of contractual arrangements afoot here, whether that be naming rights or the commercial business with car parking. You can't just close those businesses down or jettison somebody out of the area when they have strong contractual rights," Collins said.

"The FFA (Football Federation Australia) and FIFA (world soccer's governing body) might want some of these things, and be quite dogmatic about it, but in the end they might have to compromise their position to ensure that people don't breach agreements."

Collins scoffed at suggestions FFA could use federal legislation to seize temporary control of Etihad Stadium if it did not come willingly to the World Cup party.

"I didn't know that we were at war ... and that's the only time I see where governments can seize control of private property," he said.

"This is all private investors, who have put money into a venture to make it happen. Basically, they are entitled to their return on that investment and it would be pretty hard for the Government to seize something without some substantial compensation. I don't think it has been thought through."

FFA has named the stadium on a list of 12 venues it hopes to use for World Cup matches.

In December, Demetriou said the AFL season would be cancelled if Etihad Stadium and the MCG were out of action.

Under FIFA rules, venues must be vacant for a month before the World Cup, with rival events halted for the duration of the tournament.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl-blocks-ian-collins-world-cup-soccer-bid-for-etihad-stadium/story-e6frf9if-1225828923661

[one-eyed]

AFL, NRL, Super to play on during World Cup

    * Tom Smithies
    * From: The Daily Telegraph
    * April 28, 2010

RIVAL football codes will receive Government guarantees that they can continue their seasons uninterrupted if Australia wins the right to host soccer's World Cup in 2018 or 2022.

The assurances from the Rudd Government remove the fear that the AFL, NRL and Super 14 competitions would have to be suspended - or even cancelled - during a World Cup hosted here, the Daily Telegraph reports.

The Government sweetener also includes a multimillion-dollar package for the rival codes to compensate for switching their games to non-World Cup stadiums.

The Federal Government will include the guarantee that the seasons won't have to be suspended in an agreement that will bind all codes into supporting the bid - with the Government prepared to sign it.

The NRL and AFL, in particular, have been up in arms over FIFA's insistence that no other major sporting event can be played in the same city as a World Cup venue for the duration of the tournament.

That and compensation for lost revenue have been the major issues confronting the taskforce charged with securing agreement from the other codes.

But sources close to the taskforce told The Daily Telegraph that no codes will be forced to suspend their seasons if they want to continue throughout a World Cup.

The stadiums used for the World Cup - up to 12 - will still be off-limits, but the other codes will be free to continue their seasons elsewhere, including big events such as Origin.

The source also indicated that broad agreement had been reached on the formulas for assessing which codes receive compensation for moving their games from grounds such as the MCG and ANZ Stadium. "Central to the agreement is an assurance that all codes will be able to continue their seasons in the event of a successful World Cup bid," the source said..

"Season continuity has the absolute backing of the Australian Government, which maintains that the home-and-away seasons of all codes should and will be played in the lead-up to and during the World Cup. These fixtures will not divert attention or resources away from what is the biggest single sporting event in the world."

FIFA's concern over competing events surrounds the ability of police, hotels and transport systems to cope with multiple commitments, and the source emphasised that the government does not believe that will be an issue with the other codes continuing.

FIFA's decision to allow a rugby international in Cape Town on June 12 - the day after France play Uruguay in the World Cup in the same city - is being cited as a precedent, along with the continuation of Major League Baseball in the US in 1994.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-nrl-super-to-play-on-during-world-cup/story-e6frf9io-1225859226514

[one-eyed]

The agreement between all 4 football codes for our World Cup bid is done

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/football-codes-sign-off-to-back-world-cup-bid/story-e6frf9jf-1225864223903

[Judge Roughneck]

Or the AFL could play games in country Victoria for one season out of 200 years.

And give something back to real supporters of the game.

Never going to happen as the AFL and its clubs would lose millions of dollars. By 2022 virtually all clubs will have 40-50k members minimum. The AFL needs a stadium of 50k in Melbourne to play its games and allow club members to all attend.

I could see though clubs playing practice matches in country areas during the 4 week midseason break the AFL is willing to have.

A world cup in Australia would make 100's millions of dollars for this country.

I am sure the Aust. goverment or the FFA would give money to the AFL to make up for one season of loses if the AFL had the balls to play games in the country.

The FFA has little money and is putting in $0 into the bid and WC infrastructure. That is why this bid is being 100% taxpayer funded.

FFA = Lowy = $$

Lowy = Westfield = $$$

Lowy = FFA input into WC bid = $0

frank lowy influence influence is worth more than money

taking FIFA officals out on his private yacht etc. will have impact

True Bents but Lowy also needs to get the home front organised because to date it has been a shambles from the FFA. When you look at the American bid with its 21 stadia all with capacity of 65k or more  it shows what we are up against in this 2022 bid. Everyone needs to go right which it hasn't so far.

usa has 300 million odd people

aust. about 20.

you would assume fifa understand they are going to have more soccer grounds than us.

[mightytiges]

usa has 300 million odd people

aust. about 20.

you would assume fifa understand they are going to have more soccer grounds than us.

Yeah you would think FIFA will base it on the quality and capacity of the stadia. We have the following minimum of 12 needed for the bid book. 10 of which will be chosen by FIFA for the 2022 World Cup if we win the right to host it.

1. Perth: Redeveloped Subiaco to 60,000 in rectangular format for World Cup, reconfigured to oval format post World Cup.


2. Adelaide: Redeveloped Adelaide Oval to 50,000 in oval format for World Cup.


3. Melbourne: MCG, 100,000, oval


4. Geelong: Redeveloped Kardinia to 45,000 in rectangular format for World Cup, reconfigured to oval format post World Cup.


5. Canberra: Brand new 45,000 seat rectangular stadium next to Bruce Stadium


6. Sydney: Stadium Australia, Homebush Bay, 83,000, rectangular.


7. Sydney: Sydney Football Stadium, 45,500, rectangular


8. Sydney: New Blacktown rectangular stadium, 45,000 .......... (GWS will play at the Sydney Showgrounds in Homebush next to ANZ stadium)


9. Newcastle: Redeveloped Energy Australia Stadium, 45,000, rectangular


10. Gold Coast: Redeveloped Carrara Stadium, 45,000, oval.


11. Brisbane: Suncorp Stadium (Lang Park), 50,000, rectangular


12. Townsville: Redeveloped Diary Farmers Stadium, 45,000, rectangular

[Penelope]

Looking at that, it seems any short term pain the world cup causes the AFL, will actually become a long term benefit. Upgrades to existing AFL grounds in Subiaco and Kardinia park, with Cararra about to become an AFL ground and wasn't there talk of one of the adelaide clubs playing from the adelaide oval?

[one-eyed]

Here's the final official list of 12 stadia including pics: (I've updated MT's post above)

Stadium Australia ............... 83k ....... Minor Upgrade
Sydney Football Stadium...... 41k ....... Minor Upgrade
Blacktown Stadium ............. 41k ....... New Stadium
MCG .................................. 88k ....... Existing Stadium
Brisbane Stadium ............... 50k ....... Existing Stadium
Perth Stadium .................... 60k ....... New Stadium
Adelaide Oval ..................... 48k ....... Major Upgrade
Gold Coast Stadium ............ 40k ....... Major Upgrade
Newcastle Stadium ............. 42k ....... Major Upgrade
Canberra Stadium .............. 40k ........ New Stadium
Geelong Stadium ............... 44k ........ Major Upgrade
Townsville Stadium ............ 40k ........ Major Upgrade


http://www.australia2018-2022.com.au/australias-bid_stadiums.aspx



The AFL should end up with 8 upgraded/new stadia although most of these will be built irrespective of the WC bid being successful or now:
New Subiaco Oval
New Adelaide Oval
MCG
Upgraded Kardinia Park
Upgraded Carrara Stadium
ANZ Stadium
New Sydney Showground (GWS's home ground in Homebush next to ANZ Stadium)
Upgraded Manuka Oval or Bruce stadium reconfigured into an oval.

[mightytiges]

The 12 stadia look good although from a financial perspective I don't see the point of new stadia in Canberra and Blacktown. Then again only 10 of the 12 will be needed for the WC so they may both get overlooked. Existing stadia nearby could easily be upgraded for post WC to meet the smaller capacity needs in those regions.

Looking at that, it seems any short term pain the world cup causes the AFL, will actually become a long term benefit. Upgrades to existing AFL grounds in Subiaco and Kardinia park, with Cararra about to become an AFL ground and wasn't there talk of one of the adelaide clubs playing from the adelaide oval?

Yep the SANFL and SACA are meant to bury the hatchet and both the Crows and Power to play out of Adelaide Oval. I think they then plan to demolish Footy Park. I'm presuming they'll keep Footy Park going so the AFL can play there while the World Cup uses Adelaide Oval.

I'm not sure about the move btw. There's an advantage for the SANFL to keep their own stadium as the AFL learnt the hard way once the sold Waverley and then had stadia deals that were at the mercy of the MCC and Collins' Docklands. Footy and Cricket could also clash when each's seasons overlap especially with the AFL expanding to 18 teams.

[Judge Roughneck]

usa has 300 million odd people

aust. about 20.

you would assume fifa understand they are going to have more soccer grounds than us.

Yeah you would think FIFA will base it on the quality and capacity of the stadia. We have the following minimum of 12 needed for the bid book. 10 of which will be chosen by FIFA for the 2022 World Cup if we win the right to host it.

1. Perth: Redeveloped Subiaco to 60,000 in rectangular format for World Cup, reconfigured to oval format post World Cup.


2. Adelaide: Redeveloped Adelaide Oval to 50,000 in oval format for World Cup.


3. Melbourne: MCG, 100,000, oval


4. Geelong: Redeveloped Kardinia to 45,000 in rectangular format for World Cup, reconfigured to oval format post World Cup.


5. Canberra: Brand new 45,000 seat rectangular stadium next to Bruce Stadium


6. Sydney: Stadium Australia, Homebush Bay, 83,000, rectangular.


7. Sydney: Sydney Football Stadium, 45,500, rectangular


8. Sydney: New Blacktown rectangular stadium, 45,000 .......... (GWS will play at the Sydney Showgrounds in Homebush next to ANZ stadium)


9. Newcastle: Redeveloped Energy Australia Stadium, 45,000, rectangular


10. Gold Coast: Redeveloped Carrara Stadium, 45,000, oval.


11. Brisbane: Suncorp Stadium (Lang Park), 50,000, rectangular


12. Townsville: Redeveloped Diary Farmers Stadium, 45,000, rectangular

good for Melbourne Victory and Australian domestic football long term

Swan Street Stadium in Richmond is world class 

if it is true MElbourne will lose WC games and/or the final to NSW due to Andrew someone should put a bullet in his head 

[mightytiges]

if it is true MElbourne will lose WC games and/or the final to NSW due to Andrew someone should put a bullet in his head 

Just sour grapes from Aussie Rules-haters getting ready to play the blame game if the bid fails. That was a ridiculous  and gutless article in any case with the journo using an "unnamed source" to claim unnamed "outrageous demands" by the AFL. Oh please! 

[WilliamPowell]

Here's the final official list of 12 stadia including pics: (I've updated MT's post above)

Stadium Australia ............... 83k ....... Minor Upgrade
Sydney Football Stadium...... 41k ....... Minor Upgrade
Blacktown Stadium ............. 41k ....... New Stadium
MCG .................................. 88k ....... Existing Stadium
Brisbane Stadium ............... 50k ....... Existing Stadium
Perth Stadium .................... 60k ....... New Stadium
Adelaide Oval ..................... 48k ....... Major Upgrade
Gold Coast Stadium ............ 40k ....... Major Upgrade
Newcastle Stadium ............. 42k ....... Major Upgrade
Canberra Stadium .............. 40k ........ New Stadium
Geelong Stadium ............... 44k ........ Major Upgrade
Townsville Stadium ............ 40k ........ Major Upgrade


http://www.australia2018-2022.com.au/australias-bid_stadiums.aspx



The AFL should end up with 8 upgraded/new stadia although most of these will be built irrespective of the WC bid being successful or now:
New Subiaco Oval
New Adelaide Oval
MCG
Upgraded Kardinia Park
Upgraded Carrara Stadium
ANZ Stadium
New Sydney Showground (GWS's home ground in Homebush next to ANZ Stadium)
Upgraded Manuka Oval or Bruce stadium reconfigured into an oval.

The stadium on the Gold Coast isn't Carrara it is Skilled Park that they built for the Titans and ALeague.

Carrara is a differnet venue

good for Melbourne Victory and Australian domestic football long term

Swan Street Stadium in Richmond is world class 

Yeah the Bubble stadium is great but if we get the World Cup it wont be used because it doesn't meet FIFA's minimum capicity requirment of 40K

Still very concerned about the amount of $$$ we are spending on this whole bid process. FFA should be paying not the taxpayers (Fed govt)