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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on April 10, 2011, 12:25:22 AM
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What the coach said - Damien Hardwick:
"You look back last week, the Dees got inside 50 only 35 times against them. We got inside 50 53 times, so we're doing something right. The efficiency going forward is the thing that cost us tonight."
Here's the video of Dimma after the game:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roar%20vision%20archive/tabid/11454/contentid/344336/default.aspx
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Hardwick finds silver lining
richmondfc.com.au
By Paul Daffey
Sun 10 Apr, 2011
FOR A man whose team had just been walloped by 63 points at the hand of Hawthorn, Richmond coach Damien Hardwick looked remarkably composed.
In some ways, he believed his Tigers had had a win. They'd matched the Hawks in several indicators and gained some valuable experience for their young players.
"We had more inside 50s, the clearances were the same and the turnover battle was the same," he said. "The thing that comes with experience is the efficiency of your ball movement.
"You look back last week, the Dees only got inside 50 35 times against them (Hawthorn). We got inside 50 55 times, so we're doing something right. The efficiency going forward is the thing that cost us."
While Hardwick's midfield did a sterling job in matching its opponents, the main talking points after the match were the petulance of Jack Rielwoldt and the decision to play callow defenders on the best tall forward combination in the competition.
Hardwick said he would be having a word to Riewoldt about his blow-up at Dustin Martin.
"Jack's got to improve in that area, no doubt," he said.
The coach, however, was full of praise for David Astbury, who played on Jarryd Roughead in his 20th game, and Dylan Grimes, who played on Buddy Franklin in his second game.
In truth, both were soundly beaten. Roughead kicked three while Franklin kicked five in a best-on-ground performance.
But Harwick admired his young players' application.
"I actually thought Dylan Grimes did a pretty good job. For a kid who was playing his second game, in his second year of AFL footy, the amount of contests that he got to was pretty credible for the young fellow.
"Buddy's an elite player of this competition."
He noted that Astbury was outmarked only once and besides that was extremely competitive.
"We're going along a similar path to Hawthorn in 2005, 2006, when I started there," the coach said. "We're tracking along the same way. We’ve got to persevere with our young group, get some games into them as we can, and they’ll get better."
Astbury and Grimes were forced to play in the key defence posts because Alex Rance and Luke McGuane were suspended and Will Thursfied had hurt his ankle.
David Gourdis was the only other key defender who might have been considered.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/111240/default.aspx
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someone should of asked Dimma this.
Why didnt he change the set up so that our best player the week before (Lids) didnt get dragged back to the goal square for a large portion of the game :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
media have little idea and ask dumb questions
And Dimma forget about indictors, utter crap when you have guys like Connors who kick the ball inside 50, gift wrapped straight on the oppositions players chest
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there is no glory in that pathetic loss last night.
That was one of the worst games by our club in the last 2 years. Pathetic.
There are few players who can hold their head up high.
As for Jack and his antics well hello Richo Mark 2.
We are screwed as a football club if we are relying on him
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lol......It was no where near as pathetic as some of the posters here!! If you don't like it eff off and support someone els'e. The future is bright we can only work with the cattle we have and if it means putting games into younger players no and sacrifice games well so be it!
If we had a older hardened side that should be winning and were not bag the club out all you like but untill that time we are developing both player and game plan surly you cant be to critical at this stage??
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lol......It was no where near as pathetic as some of the posters here!! If you don't like it eff off and support someone els'e. The future is bright we can only work with the cattle we have and if it means putting games into younger players no and sacrifice games well so be it!
If we had a older hardened side that should be winning and were not bag the club out all you like but untill that time we are developing both player and game plan surly you cant be to critical at this stage??
Maybe living in tassy has blinded you from reality but let me say this. Its not about winning, far from it its about being competitive and last night was disgraceful.
If you think its acceptable seeing Lids, Graham and Connors who have played enough games, not chasing or tackling then your kidding yourself.
its about effort and apart from 5 players last night there was none at all.
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lol......It was no where near as pathetic as some of the posters here!! If you don't like it eff off and support someone els'e. The future is bright we can only work with the cattle we have and if it means putting games into younger players no and sacrifice games well so be it!
If we had a older hardened side that should be winning and were not bag the club out all you like but untill that time we are developing both player and game plan surly you cant be to critical at this stage??
Everyones entitled to an opinion, the fact that these people have purchased memberships, purchased merchandise, contributed to Jack Dyer Foundation and now the Fighting Fund means they are entitled. 30 years of crap is a long time and yesterday was nothing short of disgraceful. And one more thing, who are you tell these people to go support someone else?
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Lids dragged back to full back by his opponent said it all
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lol......It was no where near as pathetic as some of the posters here!! If you don't like it eff off and support someone els'e. The future is bright we can only work with the cattle we have and if it means putting games into younger players no and sacrifice games well so be it!
If we had a older hardened side that should be winning and were not bag the club out all you like but untill that time we are developing both player and game plan surly you cant be to critical at this stage??
let's get this straight... according to you, never mind that i'm a die hard supporter of the club, that i've been a member since i was 7 years old, or that i travel from regional victoria to almost every home game, the mere fact that i'm annoyed about how sub-par the boys were playing last night against a team i deeply loathe means i should go and support someone else. what utter rubbish! who do you think you are, deciding who i can and can't support? were you there, sitting out in the rain putting up with that performance?
yes, the future is most definitely bright, and it's an exciting time to be a Richmond fan because we're almost certainly on the way up, but what we saw last night was no indication of that.
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there is no glory in that pathetic loss last night.
That was one of the worst games by our club in the last 2 years. Pathetic.
There are few players who can hold their head up high.
As for Jack and his antics well hello Richo Mark 2.
We are screwed as a football club if we are relying on him
Fully Agree :thumbsup
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there is no glory in that pathetic loss last night.
That was one of the worst games by our club in the last 2 years. Pathetic.
There are few players who can hold their head up high.
As for Jack and his antics well hello Richo Mark 2.
We are screwed as a football club if we are relying on him
Fully Agree :thumbsup
Double fully agree :thumbsup
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and there dreaming if they think Vickery is the answer playing beside Jack. :banghead
Time to play Brad Miller next week, otherwise guys like Maxwell will treat Vickery like toilet paper.
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Simply out muslced by a better side in conditions that suited them more ,
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If Deledio is so good put him on Pendelbury or Thomas, can gaurentee he will be beaten by both them lads
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lol......It was no where near as pathetic as some of the posters here!! If you don't like it eff off and support someone els'e. The future is bright we can only work with the cattle we have and if it means putting games into younger players no and sacrifice games well so be it!
If we had a older hardened side that should be winning and were not bag the club out all you like but untill that time we are developing both player and game plan surly you cant be to critical at this stage??
Everyones entitled to an opinion, the fact that these people have purchased memberships, purchased merchandise, contributed to Jack Dyer Foundation and now the Fighting Fund means they are entitled. 30 years of crap is a long time and yesterday was nothing short of disgraceful. And one more thing, who are you tell these people to go support someone else?
Sure thats fine, but what do you do about it now?? How is the problem fixed "This Week"?? You can only work with what you have we are a young building side that is doing it tough at the moment but hey you have to put in the hard yards to get anywhere don'y you? I pay my membership a full one not a country and have done for 17 years, I also donated a substantial amount to the FTF. I am not forced to do any of this but I do because I love the club and I Stick by my club through thick and thin, highs and lows because thats what a "TRUE SUPPORTER DOES" So IMO those who don't want to do the hard yard yards can eff off and get there quick fix by supporting someone else!
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giving your money away to fund someone elses buisness ;D you must be wealthy
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lol......It was no where near as pathetic as some of the posters here!! If you don't like it eff off and support someone els'e. The future is bright we can only work with the cattle we have and if it means putting games into younger players no and sacrifice games well so be it!
If we had a older hardened side that should be winning and were not bag the club out all you like but untill that time we are developing both player and game plan surly you cant be to critical at this stage??
Everyones entitled to an opinion, the fact that these people have purchased memberships, purchased merchandise, contributed to Jack Dyer Foundation and now the Fighting Fund means they are entitled. 30 years of crap is a long time and yesterday was nothing short of disgraceful. And one more thing, who are you tell these people to go support someone else?
Sure thats fine, but what do you do about it now?? How is the problem fixed "This Week"?? You can only work with what you have we are a young building side that is doing it tough at the moment but hey you have to put in the hard yards to get anywhere don'y you? I pay my membership a full one not a country and have done for 17 years, I also donated a substantial amount to the FTF. I am not forced to do any of this but I do because I love the club and I Stick by my club through thick and thin, highs and lows because thats what a "TRUE SUPPORTER DOES" So IMO those who don't want to do the hard yard yards can eff off and get there quick fix by supporting someone else!
its okay to give money, no probs there.
But , do you think the people behind the scenes know what they are doing ?
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lol......It was no where near as pathetic as some of the posters here!! If you don't like it eff off and support someone els'e. The future is bright we can only work with the cattle we have and if it means putting games into younger players no and sacrifice games well so be it!
If we had a older hardened side that should be winning and were not bag the club out all you like but untill that time we are developing both player and game plan surly you cant be to critical at this stage??
let's get this straight... according to you, never mind that i'm a die hard supporter of the club, that i've been a member since i was 7 years old, or that i travel from regional victoria to almost every home game, the mere fact that i'm annoyed about how sub-par the boys were playing last night against a team i deeply loathe means i should go and support someone else. what utter rubbish! who do you think you are, deciding who i can and can't support? were you there, sitting out in the rain putting up with that performance?
yes, the future is most definitely bright, and it's an exciting time to be a Richmond fan because we're almost certainly on the way up, but what we saw last night was no indication of that.
Dizza,
I was there mate and no I wasn't happy with the performance either BUT I am realist and understand where we are as a club, it was more the small minority who continually get on here and bag the crap out of list, the coach and the whole entire process they are who I was aiming at.
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yeah ;D l aint been here bagging no-one for a very longtime but had to return after what l seen last night
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lol......It was no where near as pathetic as some of the posters here!! If you don't like it eff off and support someone els'e. The future is bright we can only work with the cattle we have and if it means putting games into younger players no and sacrifice games well so be it!
If we had a older hardened side that should be winning and were not bag the club out all you like but untill that time we are developing both player and game plan surly you cant be to critical at this stage??
Everyones entitled to an opinion, the fact that these people have purchased memberships, purchased merchandise, contributed to Jack Dyer Foundation and now the Fighting Fund means they are entitled. 30 years of crap is a long time and yesterday was nothing short of disgraceful. And one more thing, who are you tell these people to go support someone else?
Sure thats fine, but what do you do about it now?? How is the problem fixed "This Week"?? You can only work with what you have we are a young building side that is doing it tough at the moment but hey you have to put in the hard yards to get anywhere don'y you? I pay my membership a full one not a country and have done for 17 years, I also donated a substantial amount to the FTF. I am not forced to do any of this but I do because I love the club and I Stick by my club through thick and thin, highs and lows because thats what a "TRUE SUPPORTER DOES" So IMO those who don't want to do the hard yard yards can eff off and get there quick fix by supporting someone else!
its okay to give money, no probs there.
But , do you think the people behind the scenes know what they are doing ?
Mate, I'm not sure? but I am happy to give them time to find out. from the outside looking in with no football background (AFL wise) I can see we have a young list a list that won't get up week in week out because of there youth and inexperience, we also have a list that not every player is a superstar but what can we do about it now? nothing we have to deal with what we have and get on with it. Maybe i'm blind but I can major improvement in us already this season IMO we can win 8 to 10 games this season I will be disappointed if we dont but it is way to early to be calling it from here. as long as we can keep building from that the future is bright IMO.
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As an aside, one of my mates commented last night during the pre match warm up that jacks body language was wrong even then..I just wonder if that attitude filters through to the whole team and contributed to our filthy night
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lol......It was no where near as pathetic as some of the posters here!! If you don't like it eff off and support someone els'e. The future is bright we can only work with the cattle we have and if it means putting games into younger players no and sacrifice games well so be it!
If we had a older hardened side that should be winning and were not bag the club out all you like but untill that time we are developing both player and game plan surly you cant be to critical at this stage??
let's get this straight... according to you, never mind that i'm a die hard supporter of the club, that i've been a member since i was 7 years old, or that i travel from regional victoria to almost every home game, the mere fact that i'm annoyed about how sub-par the boys were playing last night against a team i deeply loathe means i should go and support someone else. what utter rubbish! who do you think you are, deciding who i can and can't support? were you there, sitting out in the rain putting up with that performance?
yes, the future is most definitely bright, and it's an exciting time to be a Richmond fan because we're almost certainly on the way up, but what we saw last night was no indication of that.
Dizza,
I was there mate and no I wasn't happy with the performance either BUT I am realist and understand where we are as a club, it was more the small minority who continually get on here and bag the crap out of list, the coach and the whole entire process they are who I was aiming at.
have you ever thought that the process may be wrong??
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this list stuff dont cut with me, we do have the players to take it up too any club
CARLTON, ST-KILDA, games should have been wins
Its players like Newman, Deledio, Graham, White, Edwards, Rewoldt, Thursfield, Moore, McGuane, that let the club down cause they get satisfied with 1 good performance
If Kingy can perform each week, then the others can take note & lift, Be consistant each week or at least play to the quality of the tags they pin on themselves. If players like Blair, Pendlebury, Thomas, from the skunks can perform every week why cant all our so called senior players lift & show the way to our drafts. Deledio is overated & Cotchin after all his injuries works alot harder & does alot more on game day. Kingy works harder & has everyone talking. Us supporters have to stop giving in to our poor standard
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lol......It was no where near as pathetic as some of the posters here!! If you don't like it eff off and support someone els'e. The future is bright we can only work with the cattle we have and if it means putting games into younger players no and sacrifice games well so be it!
If we had a older hardened side that should be winning and were not bag the club out all you like but untill that time we are developing both player and game plan surly you cant be to critical at this stage??
let's get this straight... according to you, never mind that i'm a die hard supporter of the club, that i've been a member since i was 7 years old, or that i travel from regional victoria to almost every home game, the mere fact that i'm annoyed about how sub-par the boys were playing last night against a team i deeply loathe means i should go and support someone else. what utter rubbish! who do you think you are, deciding who i can and can't support? were you there, sitting out in the rain putting up with that performance?
yes, the future is most definitely bright, and it's an exciting time to be a Richmond fan because we're almost certainly on the way up, but what we saw last night was no indication of that.
Dizza,
I was there mate and no I wasn't happy with the performance either BUT I am realist and understand where we are as a club, it was more the small minority who continually get on here and bag the crap out of list, the coach and the whole entire process they are who I was aiming at.
have you ever thought that the process may be wrong??
Not yet, and I am happy to give it another 12 months before I decide. I feel we are in a better position now than we were 5 - 6 years ago so there must be some good things going on somewhere?
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Yep, recent recruiting of Troy Taylor and Relton Roberts. total waste of energy and money. Yep, the processes are working GREAT
Whats even more concerning is clubs like Melbourne recent draft picks are there best players, and there a middle of the road team.
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this list stuff dont cut with me, we do have the players to take it up too any club
CARLTON, ST-KILDA, games should have been wins
Its players like Newman, Deledio, Graham, White, Edwards, Rewoldt, Thursfield, Moore, McGuane, that let the club down cause they get satisfied with 1 good performance
If Kingy can perform each week, then the others can take note & lift, Be consistant each week or at least play to the quality of the tags they pin on themselves. If players like Blair, Pendlebury, Thomas, from the skunks can perform every week why cant all our so called senior players lift & show the way to our drafts. Deledio is overated & Cotchin after all his injuries works alot harder & does alot more on game day. Kingy works harder & has everyone talking. Us supporters have to stop giving in to our poor standard
Yes but how do we fix it "NOW"???
The fact that our first 3 picks + the 2 trades from this Draft are getting a game straight up show's the lack of depth we have but it is going to take time either way unfortunately we have to sit it out until younger players come on but if we can recruit as smart as we dis last year we will have a healthy list sooner rather than later.
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Yep, recent recruiting of Troy Taylor and Relton Roberts. total waste of energy and money. Yep, the processes are working GREAT
Whats even more concerning is clubs like Melbourne recent draft picks are there best players, and there a middle of the road team.
lol, are you for real? I could go through a every club and pull out a list of names that have never made it, it's just not endemic to our club!!
You mention Melbourne, if you supported them would you be happy where there at at the moment? all those good picks and there not travelling to great I wouldn't have thought? What about Carlton, If I was a Carlton supporter I would be expecting a hell of allot more than they are dishing up at the moment! The reality is we have a CLEAR plan and we seem to be sticking to it, if we deviate now we will be back to square onw before we no it......
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Hate to tell you this, we are at square one.
August 1st 2010 was our last win
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Hate to tell you this, we are at square one.
August 1st 2010 was our last win
OMG yes forgot about our walkabout Troy Taylor, wasted money. rip his contract up his a wasted space. let the prick walk home ;D
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Yep, recent recruiting of Troy Taylor and Relton Roberts. total waste of energy and money. Yep, the processes are working GREAT
Whats even more concerning is clubs like Melbourne recent draft picks are there best players, and there a middle of the road team.
lol, are you for real? I could go through a every club and pull out a list of names that have never made it, it's just not endemic to our club!!
You mention Melbourne, if you supported them would you be happy where there at at the moment? all those good picks and there not travelling to great I wouldn't have thought? What about Carlton, If I was a Carlton supporter I would be expecting a hell of allot more than they are dishing up at the moment! The reality is we have a CLEAR plan and we seem to be sticking to it, if we deviate now we will be back to square onw before we no it......
I am for real
Taylor was a huge risk, one the RFC should never have taken,
As for Roberts, I remember going to Moe and watching the practice match against the Bombers and I thought WTF.
surely a joke
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How to fix it, Train them harder & mentaly prepare them. Ban them from the media. Axe some big name players who dont perform thier job.
stop wasting time & money on mental players & broken players
Where is that player with the broken wings ;D l cant remember his name anymore but we are 3 games into the season & the risky player aint giving us any value. Would have been better drafting someone untried
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Last Night
1- Jack would be suspended for 3 weeks for his,"im bigger than this club" BS over the last two weeks.
Little wanker needs a smack in the moosh (enter Rance) :shh
2 - Deledio - 60% athlete - 20% AFL Footballer - 20% Lazy
3- King - for a maligned player,i wouldn't mind 22 blokes with the same passion and commitment.
4- Umpiring was deplorable.
5- Reminder to 90% of the team - In contested situations where the ball is loose,Put your peeweak little bodies BETWEEN your opponent and the ball.COMMIT.
Newman did it last week but only after he felt he was ripped off by an umpiring decision :banghead
This needs to be the case with every attack on the ball,every game given we're such a young list.
It's one ploy taht needs no real skil-just balls and COMMITMENT.
6- Martin - Does he chase and tackle at all or just tackle in close?
Lazy prick >:(
7- Couldn't play wet weather football last night.No ticker.
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agree :thumbsup
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Yep, recent recruiting of Troy Taylor and Relton Roberts. total waste of energy and money. Yep, the processes are working GREAT
Whats even more concerning is clubs like Melbourne recent draft picks are there best players, and there a middle of the road team.
lol, are you for real? I could go through a every club and pull out a list of names that have never made it, it's just not endemic to our club!!
You mention Melbourne, if you supported them would you be happy where there at at the moment? all those good picks and there not travelling to great I wouldn't have thought? What about Carlton, If I was a Carlton supporter I would be expecting a hell of allot more than they are dishing up at the moment! The reality is we have a CLEAR plan and we seem to be sticking to it, if we deviate now we will be back to square onw before we no it......
I am for real
Taylor was a huge risk, one the RFC should never have taken,
As for Roberts, I remember going to Moe and watching the practice match against the Bombers and I thought WTF.
surely a joke
A Huge Risk? any pick at 51 is a Huge risk, actually has there ever been a pick 51 that has gone on the be a star?? also check out the 2009 draft and see has come on after that pick......there aint many!
As for Roberts he was a rookie pick FFS, they come and go at every club, if he had of got his crap together and become a star then it would have been touted as a master stroke!
You are really clutching at straws,Clearly looking for any excuses to bag the club......
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How to fix it, Train them harder & mentaly prepare them. Ban them from the media. Axe some big name players who dont perform thier job.
stop wasting time & money on mental players & broken players
Where is that player with the broken wings ;D l cant remember his name anymore but we are 3 games into the season & the risky player aint giving us any value. Would have been better drafting someone untried
If we were a hardened experienced team I would agree but there "KIDS" FFS!! why don't we run the into the ground now mentally destroy them then winge in 3 years time that no one has come on......great plan!
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re point number 5
I dont care if they're going to get their head smashed,kidneys ruptured,ribs broken - whatever!
Throw ur little pear shaped twats onto the ball.
Cop a kick in the head and cop a free kick.
You either want the ball or not,ladies!
stuff i'm dirty.
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Yep, recent recruiting of Troy Taylor and Relton Roberts. total waste of energy and money. Yep, the processes are working GREAT
Whats even more concerning is clubs like Melbourne recent draft picks are there best players, and there a middle of the road team.
lol, are you for real? I could go through a every club and pull out a list of names that have never made it, it's just not endemic to our club!!
You mention Melbourne, if you supported them would you be happy where there at at the moment? all those good picks and there not travelling to great I wouldn't have thought? What about Carlton, If I was a Carlton supporter I would be expecting a hell of allot more than they are dishing up at the moment! The reality is we have a CLEAR plan and we seem to be sticking to it, if we deviate now we will be back to square onw before we no it......
I am for real
Taylor was a huge risk, one the RFC should never have taken,
As for Roberts, I remember going to Moe and watching the practice match against the Bombers and I thought WTF.
surely a joke
A Huge Risk? any pick at 51 is a Huge risk, actually has there ever been a pick 51 that has gone on the be a star?? also check out the 2009 draft and see has come on after that pick......there aint many!
As for Roberts he was a rookie pick FFS, they come and go at every club, if he had of got his crap together and become a star then it would have been touted as a master stroke!
You are really clutching at straws,Clearly looking for any excuses to bag the club......
forget about master stroke, we know what stroke you meant :wallywink
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re point number 5
I dont care if they're going to get their head smashed,kidneys ruptured,ribs broken - whatever!
Throw ur little pear shaped twats onto the ball.
Cop a kick in the head and cop a free kick.
You either want the ball or not,ladies!
stuff i'm dirty.
agree :thumbsup
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Last Night
1- Jack would be suspended for 3 weeks for his,"im bigger than this club" BS over the last two weeks.
Little wanker needs a smack in the moosh (enter Rance) :shh
2 - Deledio - 60% athlete - 20% AFL Footballer - 20% Lazy
3- King - for a maligned player,i wouldn't mind 22 blokes with the same passion and commitment.
4- Umpiring was deplorable.
5- Reminder to 90% of the team - In contested situations where the ball is loose,Put your peeweak little bodies BETWEEN your opponent and the ball.COMMIT.
Newman did it last week but only after he felt he was ripped off by an umpiring decision :banghead
This needs to be the case with every attack on the ball,every game given we're such a young list.
It's one ploy taht needs no real skil-just balls and COMMITMENT.
6- Martin - Does he chase and tackle at all or just tackle in close?
Lazy prick >:(
7- Couldn't play wet weather football last night.No ticker.
5 & 7 great points
Edit: quote edited
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re point number 5
I dont care if they're going to get their head smashed,kidneys ruptured,ribs broken - whatever!
Throw ur little pear shaped twats onto the ball.
Cop a kick in the head and cop a free kick.
You either want the ball or not,ladies!
stuff i'm dirty.
agree :thumbsup
Fair dinkum Jak,it must be like a childrens nursery down there,full of new age psychology and pampering.
Are we just too old school or what?
I guarantee,if they played and adhered to point 5 not only would they be a harder better club but they'd be better men.
WTF Is going on?
I know our defense was depleted but we could have applied ourselves positively in so many other ways last night........
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If Deledio is so good put him on Pendelbury or Thomas, can gaurentee he will be beaten by both them lads
Go back to Vic Park old man.
Brendon Goddard is a bigger scalp then Pendlbury or faggy Thomas.
stuffing sick of old muppets
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yeah ;D l aint been here bagging no-one for a very longtime but had to return after what l seen last night
Your a pathetic man, are you taller than 160cms? Probably not.
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Hate to tell you this, we are at square one.
August 1st 2010 was our last win
Results don't matter Jack. Development does.
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i wasnt happy with the performance last night, but you need to put it in perspective.
Some of you lot are like a pack of hungry dogs just waiting for our young side to play a bad game, so you can jump on them.
it was a poor effort, but Hawthorn were exceptional in the conditions. I reckon they'l bounce back and put in a much better performance against the Pies.
And lets not forget how much Jack has contributed to this club. He wont be happy with how he behaved last night, no-one is. But let's see how he rebounds this week before we put a line through his name too, eh?
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Was a dirty night.
Facts:
1. Hawthorn are a top 4 possibly top 2 club.
2. We are a bottom 4 club.
3. We had our best 4 defenders out against the best KP forward pair in the league.
4. We played poorly, and were ineffective in possession.
= Thrashing.
Pretty simple.
No reason to panic, there will be more losses like this. If you expect anything different you're an idiot.
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Yep, recent recruiting of Troy Taylor and Relton Roberts. total waste of energy and money. Yep, the processes are working GREAT
Whats even more concerning is clubs like Melbourne recent draft picks are there best players, and there a middle of the road team.
lol, are you for real? I could go through a every club and pull out a list of names that have never made it, it's just not endemic to our club!!
You mention Melbourne, if you supported them would you be happy where there at at the moment? all those good picks and there not travelling to great I wouldn't have thought? What about Carlton, If I was a Carlton supporter I would be expecting a hell of allot more than they are dishing up at the moment! The reality is we have a CLEAR plan and we seem to be sticking to it, if we deviate now we will be back to square onw before we no it......
I am for real
Taylor was a huge risk, one the RFC should never have taken,
As for Roberts, I remember going to Moe and watching the practice match against the Bombers and I thought WTF.
surely a joke
A Huge Risk? any pick at 51 is a Huge risk, actually has there ever been a pick 51 that has gone on the be a star?? also check out the 2009 draft and see has come on after that pick......there aint many!
As for Roberts he was a rookie pick FFS, they come and go at every club, if he had of got his crap together and become a star then it would have been touted as a master stroke!
You are really clutching at straws,Clearly looking for any excuses to bag the club......
forget about master stroke, we know what stroke you meant :wallywink
lol...Mate you can talk some poo thats for sure, you haven't given a legitimate answer to anything I have asked?? Everything you post is full of holes. I refer back to the top of the thread......If you don't like it eff of and support someone else, the club will be a whole lot better off without eff wits like you anyway.....
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and there dreaming if they think Vickery is the answer playing beside Jack. :banghead
Time to play Brad Miller next week, otherwise guys like Maxwell will treat Vickery like toilet paper.
I normally agree with alot of what you post but I will absolutely disagree with you on this post. We as a team are finally experiencing true development as a club. Many a coach have promised but none have been able to deliver until now. Benny and Hardwick are full throttle in development on & off the field to make this club a powerhouse again. Answer me this; how in the world is dropping Vickery and bringing in a old hack like Miller going to further our development as a club?
I personally like Vickery. I think he is agile enough and can take a good contested grab. He obviously suffers from lack of confidence. You may not like his father but you must admit that games into Vickery is more benificial than games to Miller at this stage of our team development? Hasn't Hardwick stated time & time again he has a process he will follow and will not deviate from it.
In hardwick we trust!!!
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Yep, recent recruiting of Troy Taylor and Relton Roberts. total waste of energy and money. Yep, the processes are working GREAT
Whats even more concerning is clubs like Melbourne recent draft picks are there best players, and there a middle of the road team.
lol, are you for real? I could go through a every club and pull out a list of names that have never made it, it's just not endemic to our club!!
You mention Melbourne, if you supported them would you be happy where there at at the moment? all those good picks and there not travelling to great I wouldn't have thought? What about Carlton, If I was a Carlton supporter I would be expecting a hell of allot more than they are dishing up at the moment! The reality is we have a CLEAR plan and we seem to be sticking to it, if we deviate now we will be back to square onw before we no it......
I am for real
Taylor was a huge risk, one the RFC should never have taken,
As for Roberts, I remember going to Moe and watching the practice match against the Bombers and I thought WTF.
surely a joke
A Huge Risk? any pick at 51 is a Huge risk, actually has there ever been a pick 51 that has gone on the be a star?? also check out the 2009 draft and see has come on after that pick......there aint many!
As for Roberts he was a rookie pick FFS, they come and go at every club, if he had of got his crap together and become a star then it would have been touted as a master stroke!
You are really clutching at straws,Clearly looking for any excuses to bag the club......
Hey dont worry about the pick this pick that, What about all the rookies who get promoted cause they have to work that extra bit harder.
Clutching at straws to bag the club ???? l'm not bagging the club. l'm bagging the players committment to the club
Collingwood, Carlton, Fremantle, Sydney, Bulldogs, Hawthorn and so on donot have problems blooding consistant 1st year players.
excuses dont cut it anymore l'm tired of we be doing this and that & be better this year, Them players as several posters have already wrote dont know the basics of football, stand goal side, dont everyone fly for a mark while opponants are free at the drop, dont go to ground in the contest, use the body. Ruckman push back to help defence. We talking about football, not bagging the club. Do you know the difference ;D
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BTW how is Griffiths going. l remember posters saying his wings were not that badly injured ;D
Aboriginal players walking out on the club again, l'm watching several of them destroy Brisbane in a display of pure skill in wet weather.
Why cant our ex player Tambling not produce even some of that while at the club all them years, why did it take so long & alot of money to find out his a lazy hack who couldnot put several consistant games together, Coughlan, Griffiths is the new kid on the chopping block with Edwards who has gone backwards again.
Bag the club ok, Shane Tuck one of the AFL ball winners ???? why are they persisting to bury him like Joel Bowden. clearly top 22 player. Has a mans body & uses it. Wins his own ball ???? Oh yeah thats right he had something tp say :shh
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Conca, Helbig and Bacherlor have been superb 1st year players over 3 games.
If Taylor doesn't make it he doesn't make it. He was pick 51. Who cares.
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when was the last time Graham took a mark in D 50 ? he hasnt
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when was the last time Graham took a mark in D 50 ? he hasnt
Local Footballer thats why. Wont be a future problem we have to deal with so I wouldn't lose sleep Jack.
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Conca, Helbig and Bacherlor have been superb 1st year players over 3 games.
If Taylor doesn't make it he doesn't make it. He was pick 51. Who cares.
Conca played well last night :lol your delusional he was pathetic. dont know the basics of defending go away
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BTW how is Griffiths going. l remember posters saying his wings were not that badly injured ;D
Aboriginal players walking out on the club again, l'm watching several of them destroy Brisbane in a display of pure skill in wet weather.
Why cant our ex player Tambling not produce even some of that while at the club all them years, why did it take so long & alot of money to find out his a lazy hack who couldnot put several consistant games together, Coughlan, Griffiths is the new kid on the chopping block with Edwards who has gone backwards again.
Bag the club ok, Shane Tuck one of the AFL ball winners ???? why are they persisting to bury him like Joel Bowden. clearly top 22 player. Has a mans body & uses it. Wins his own ball ???? Oh yeah thats right he had something tp say :shh
Yawn. :scream Whats your point. :scream
Tuck bombs the ball forward without looking = poor delivering in F50, our biggest problem.
Who cares about Rambling.
Griffo injured or not, he's 19. They said Heppell had dodgy groins. = Gun. They said Judd had dodgy shoulders and had a full reco and went on to do what he's done.
Griffo will be fine, there are a million other issues before we start winging that Griffo is injured.
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Conca, Helbig and Bacherlor have been superb 1st year players over 3 games.
If Taylor doesn't make it he doesn't make it. He was pick 51. Who cares.
Conca played well last night :lol your delusional he was pathetic. dont know the basics of defending go away
What a stupid post. Doesn't even warrant a response. Read the posts properly, over 3 games he's been very good. Last was the worst of the 3.
Hows your mistress John Butcher going? Pathetic.
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John Butcher dont play for Richmond so l dont care but his probably spending some time in rehab with your broken winged Griffo lol
you still playing football lol
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John Butcher dont play for Richmond so l dont care but his probably spending some time in rehab with your broken winged Griffo lol
you still playing football lol
He's in the reserves at Port Adelaide.
Superstar. :clapping
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you must be watching someone else tosser cause he was in the best players & kicked 3 goals SANFL seniors :rollin
where is your superstar Griffo in rehab at least JB is playing
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Last Night
1- Jack would be suspended for 3 weeks for his,"im bigger than this club" BS over the last two weeks.
Little wanker needs a smack in the moosh (enter Rance) :shh
2 - Deledio - 60% athlete - 20% AFL Footballer - 20% Lazy
3- King - for a maligned player,i wouldn't mind 22 blokes with the same passion and commitment.
4- Umpiring was deplorable.
5- Reminder to 90% of the team - In contested situations where the ball is loose,Put your peeweak little bodies BETWEEN your opponent and the ball.COMMIT.
Newman did it last week but only after he felt he was ripped off by an umpiring decision :banghead
This needs to be the case with every attack on the ball,every game given we're such a young list.
It's one ploy taht needs no real skil-just balls and COMMITMENT.
6- Martin - Does he chase and tackle at all or just tackle in close?
Lazy prick >:(
7- Couldn't play wet weather football last night.No ticker.
your gutless Try saying that too his face. Don't be racist!!!! Unecessary.
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you must be watching someone else tosser cause he was in the best players & kicked 3 goals SANFL seniors :rollin
where is your superstar Griffo in rehab at least JB is playing
Baha if you can't get a game for Port Adelaide you're a dribbler. Simple as that.
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Last Night
1- Jack would be suspended for 3 weeks for his,"im bigger than this club" BS over the last two weeks.
Little wanker needs a smack in the moosh (enter Rance) :shh
2 - Deledio - 60% athlete - 20% AFL Footballer - 20% Lazy
3- King - for a maligned player,i wouldn't mind 22 blokes with the same passion and commitment.
4- Umpiring was deplorable.
5- Reminder to 90% of the team - In contested situations where the ball is loose,Put your peeweak little bodies BETWEEN your opponent and the ball.COMMIT.
Newman did it last week but only after he felt he was ripped off by an umpiring decision :banghead
This needs to be the case with every attack on the ball,every game given we're such a young list.
It's one ploy taht needs no real skil-just balls and COMMITMENT.
6- Martin - Does he chase and tackle at all or just tackle in close?
Lazy prick >:(
7- Couldn't play wet weather football last night.No ticker.
your gutless Try saying that too his face. Don't be racist!!!! Unecessary.
Show me where ::) in this post even that its not my post, but where is OX racsit ??
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you must be watching someone else tosser cause he was in the best players & kicked 3 goals SANFL seniors :rollin
where is your superstar Griffo in rehab at least JB is playing
Baha if you can't get a game for Port Adelaide you're a dribbler. Simple as that.
your attacking my posts are not making sence. Butcher is coming back from a serious injury to his back.
Was he meant to play AFL last year. Most 1st year players dont so l dont make sence of your posts
Your not angry at me cause l proved you were a liar to everyone on this forum & you never played for Eastern Ranges or you were not who you said you were & always wanted to carry Travis Cloke schoolbag.
Popelord simply dont reply to anything l write cause your a wasted space liar
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Last Night
1- Jack would be suspended for 3 weeks for his,"im bigger than this club" BS over the last two weeks.
Little wanker needs a smack in the moosh (enter Rance) :shh
2 - Deledio - 60% athlete - 20% AFL Footballer - 20% Lazy
3- King - for a maligned player,i wouldn't mind 22 blokes with the same passion and commitment.
4- Umpiring was deplorable.
5- Reminder to 90% of the team - In contested situations where the ball is loose,Put your peeweak little bodies BETWEEN your opponent and the ball.COMMIT.
Newman did it last week but only after he felt he was ripped off by an umpiring decision :banghead
This needs to be the case with every attack on the ball,every game given we're such a young list.
It's one ploy taht needs no real skil-just balls and COMMITMENT.
6- Martin - Does he chase and tackle at all or just tackle in close?
Lazy prick >:(
7- Couldn't play wet weather football last night.No ticker.
your gutless Try saying that too his face. Don't be racist!!!! Unecessary.
Show me where ::) in this post even that its not my post, but where is OX racsit ??
point 6 brought up his race. Has nothing to do with his footy. If he said aboriginal prick what would be the consensus? It's racist to bring up race in a pejorative manner.
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Mr Tig l feel your over reacting
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Mr Tig l feel your over reacting
make your point fair enough. Call whoever u want what you like. But DONT MENTION HIS RACE!!!!!!!!!
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
I think it's an easy thing to adhere to. :cheers
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you must be watching someone else tosser cause he was in the best players & kicked 3 goals SANFL seniors :rollin
where is your superstar Griffo in rehab at least JB is playing
Baha if you can't get a game for Port Adelaide you're a dribbler. Simple as that.
your attacking my posts are not making sence. Butcher is coming back from a serious injury to his back.
Was he meant to play AFL last year. Most 1st year players dont so l dont make sence of your posts
Your not angry at me cause l proved you were a liar to everyone on this forum & you never played for Eastern Ranges or you were not who you said you were & always wanted to carry Travis Cloke schoolbag.
Popelord simply dont reply to anything l write cause your a wasted space liar
Bahaha the circus of Tigermonkey continues..
Stop bagging Griffo for being injured if your going to defend Butcher.
You are consistently wrong and I love it.
Stick to the topic old man
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Last Night
1- Jack would be suspended for 3 weeks for his,"im bigger than this club" BS over the last two weeks.
Little wanker needs a smack in the moosh (enter Rance) :shh
2 - Deledio - 60% athlete - 20% AFL Footballer - 20% Lazy
3- King - for a maligned player,i wouldn't mind 22 blokes with the same passion and commitment.
4- Umpiring was deplorable.
5- Reminder to 90% of the team - In contested situations where the ball is loose,Put your peeweak little bodies BETWEEN your opponent and the ball.COMMIT.
Newman did it last week but only after he felt he was ripped off by an umpiring decision :banghead
This needs to be the case with every attack on the ball,every game given we're such a young list.
It's one ploy taht needs no real skil-just balls and COMMITMENT.
6- Martin - Does he chase and tackle at all or just tackle in close?
Lazy prick >:(
7- Couldn't play wet weather football last night.No ticker.
your gutless Try saying that too his face. Don't be racist!!!! Unecessary.
Show me where ::) in this post even that its not my post, but where is OX racsit ??
Ahh calling Dusty a Maori is racist you dumb poo. As your not really a Richmond supporter we can't expect you to know Dustys back ground is from New Zealand.
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Hate to tell you this, we are at square one.
August 1st 2010 was our last win
Results don't matter Jack. Development does.
Pope that is right and whats more important is effort and not many stood up last night. In fact no senior players did and if thats okay with blokes like Mr Tasmania then so be it. IMO its unnaceptable. They are weak and lazy. Tackling and Shepherding should be mandatory if you have play senior footy but for our club it seems one handed attempts are acceptable.(e.g Lids)
I have a new found admiration for a bloke like Kingy. This was a guy who was told is future was in limbo if he didnt control his aggression and play team football. Well he listened and look at him go now. Skill wise his not the best but those other downhill skiers need to watch a copy of him these days to know whats it all about.
last night was a debacle from all angles and a step back in terms of development.
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Hate to tell you this, we are at square one.
August 1st 2010 was our last win
Results don't matter Jack. Development does.
Pope that is right and whats more important is effort and not many stood up last night. In fact no senior players did and if thats okay with blokes like Mr Tasmania then so be it. IMO its unnaceptable. They are weak and lazy. Tackling and Shepherding should be mandatory if you have play senior footy but for our club it seems one handed attempts are acceptable.(e.g Lids)
I have a new found admiration for a bloke like Kingy. This was a guy who was told is future was in limbo if he didnt control his aggression and play team football. Well he listened and look at him go now. Skill wise his not the best but those other downhill skiers need to watch a copy of him these days to know whats it all about.
last night was a debacle from all angles and a step back in terms of development.
You're spot on daniel can't disagree
If playing like that becomes a trend we can start complaining. Big spirited effort against the Pies needed
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you like to try twist things around to suit you
Griffiths plays for Richmond
Butcher plays for Port Adelaide & was drafted before Griffiths
My beef was not to draft Griffiths because his shoulders were extremely high risk & wouldnot hold upto AFL. l would have liked Butcher but he went lower anyway so l dont understand what your trying to gain here
Griffiths has gone down in a short period at VFL / AFL with serious shoulder injuries & his not playing
Butcher on the other hand did play football last year & has been playing this year but who cares about Butcher ??? his not at Tigerland. So l dont know why you persist you stupid boy. Griffiths is keeping someone out of work & he will break again when he returns. Thats if he returns cause he might break at Coburg & be delisted. 2nd year at the club & the experts were correct he would not handle the rigors of AFL but only you will dispute that :lol You know more than the scouts & footy experts
Butcher on the other hand is untried at AFL level & until he plays then you got no case & thats if he ever plays which if you go back & read my posts from last year you will see l stated that.
you need to grow up & learn something from this
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Hate to tell you this, we are at square one.
August 1st 2010 was our last win
Results don't matter Jack. Development does.
Pope that is right and whats more important is effort and not many stood up last night. In fact no senior players did and if thats okay with blokes like Mr Tasmania then so be it. IMO its unnaceptable. They are weak and lazy. Tackling and Shepherding should be mandatory if you have play senior footy but for our club it seems one handed attempts are acceptable.(e.g Lids)
I have a new found admiration for a bloke like Kingy. This was a guy who was told is future was in limbo if he didnt control his aggression and play team football. Well he listened and look at him go now. Skill wise his not the best but those other downhill skiers need to watch a copy of him these days to know whats it all about.
last night was a debacle from all angles and a step back in terms of development.
Dan you are on fire today. Excellent post. :thumbsup
I already mentioned Jackson and Newman in another post as leaders in terms of hardness and total team committment. I add King to that category as well. Must never be questioned in terms of there commitment to this team and it's cause. Hopefully Lids, Martin, Cotchin, Foley, Jack, etc. will learn from these three on what it means to protect your teamate and put team ahead of self!!!
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Hate to tell you this, we are at square one.
August 1st 2010 was our last win
Results don't matter Jack. Development does.
Pope that is right and whats more important is effort and not many stood up last night. In fact no senior players did and if thats okay with blokes like Mr Tasmania then so be it. IMO its unnaceptable. They are weak and lazy. Tackling and Shepherding should be mandatory if you have play senior footy but for our club it seems one handed attempts are acceptable.(e.g Lids)
I have a new found admiration for a bloke like Kingy. This was a guy who was told is future was in limbo if he didnt control his aggression and play team football. Well he listened and look at him go now. Skill wise his not the best but those other downhill skiers need to watch a copy of him these days to know whats it all about.
last night was a debacle from all angles and a step back in terms of development.
results do matter
we have a loser mentality
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correct Jack & that showed in the 1st 2 winnable games. Hardwick berated the players about this & its high on his priority list to win games which brings with it confidence & thats when the team will start really forming together. A winning culture is the best remedy
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Hate to tell you this, we are at square one.
August 1st 2010 was our last win
Results don't matter Jack. Development does.
Pope that is right and whats more important is effort and not many stood up last night. In fact no senior players did and if thats okay with blokes like Mr Tasmania then so be it. IMO its unnaceptable. They are weak and lazy. Tackling and Shepherding should be mandatory if you have play senior footy but for our club it seems one handed attempts are acceptable.(e.g Lids)
I have a new found admiration for a bloke like Kingy. This was a guy who was told is future was in limbo if he didnt control his aggression and play team football. Well he listened and look at him go now. Skill wise his not the best but those other downhill skiers need to watch a copy of him these days to know whats it all about.
last night was a debacle from all angles and a step back in terms of development.
results do matter
we have a loser mentality
Not more than development.
We all wanna win but we don't want bad aid fixes for today's results.
We could draft the Szillers the Kingselys all over again to get results or we can develop our kids and take a few hidings and develop a dynasty.
Last night wasn't good enough but it's a learning curve we have to go through atleast were doing it properly now unlike the Wallace reign.
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ok we are one season and abit into the new regime at tigerland,at what point do you guys think its reasonable that we start to show significant improvement..My own opinion is that we need to show significant improvement by the end of this season.And by significant i dont mean top of the ladder stuff but certainly winning our fair share of games.
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Last Night
1- Jack would be suspended for 3 weeks for his,"im bigger than this club" BS over the last two weeks.
Little wanker needs a smack in the moosh (enter Rance) :shh
2 - Deledio - 60% athlete - 20% AFL Footballer - 20% Lazy
3- King - for a maligned player,i wouldn't mind 22 blokes with the same passion and commitment.
4- Umpiring was deplorable.
5- Reminder to 90% of the team - In contested situations where the ball is loose,Put your peeweak little bodies BETWEEN your opponent and the ball.COMMIT.
Newman did it last week but only after he felt he was ripped off by an umpiring decision :banghead
This needs to be the case with every attack on the ball,every game given we're such a young list.
It's one ploy taht needs no real skil-just balls and COMMITMENT.
6- Martin - Does he chase and tackle at all or just tackle in close?
Lazy prick >:(
7- Couldn't play wet weather football last night.No ticker.
Totally agree on all points ox, called it early, Jack needs to pull his head in and play accountable football, not just the high flying hero stuff.
King has always had the right fighting attitude, even though he makes mistakes, some guys need to take his attitude on board
Umpires were deplorable, even though we wouldnt have known what to do with the ball last night even if they'd handed it to us in the goal square
Unaccountable pee weak football, a disgrace,
That effort would have done wonders for our membership drive and fund raising, how about those show ponies (newbies excluded) put in a little bit of G&D and show people they arent just throwing their hard earned in to the wind :banghead >:(
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ok we are one season and abit into the new regime at tigerland,at what point do you guys think its reasonable that we start to show significant improvement..My own opinion is that we need to show significant improvement by the end of this season.And by significant i dont mean top of the ladder stuff but certainly winning our fair share of games.
Yeah but its not just winning games gigantor its showing a bit of ticker, throwing yourself in, i personally dont care if we dont win too many this season, but to see much more of last nights effort, its demoralising
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Richmond were never going to win last night. Hawthorns game & wet weather skills were some of the best l ever seen going off the last 20 years cause the grounds are so free of mud
What some of us are saying is that most of our mistakes are the basics of football.
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ok we are one season and abit into the new regime at tigerland,at what point do you guys think its reasonable that we start to show significant improvement..My own opinion is that we need to show significant improvement by the end of this season.And by significant i dont mean top of the ladder stuff but certainly winning our fair share of games.
Yeah but its not just winning games gigantor its showing a bit of ticker, throwing yourself in, i personally dont care if we dont win too many this season, but to see much more of last nights effort, its demoralising
yes this is what i am talking about. 100% on the money.
This is why i applaud guys like King and Jackson for throwing their body in while other guys stood back and did nothing.
If we win great if we don't thats fine but show us something anything just not what we dished up last night, particulary from our senior players.
We were outcoached and outplayed and nothing positive can come from last night.
Clarkson post match conference was very unhappy we were allowed to have more inside 50's yet Dimma seemed to think we matched them in most useless statistical indicators.
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looking over the first 3 games ,other than last night we have had a degree of good fortune..We were lucky both saints and blues wasted their first quarter dominance ,otherwise we might have been blown out of the water in those games too.Although as the saying goes bad kicking is bad football
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just shows how deluded supporters are
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Last Night
1- Jack would be suspended for 3 weeks for his,"im bigger than this club" BS over the last two weeks.
Little wanker needs a smack in the moosh (enter Rance) :shh
2 - Deledio - 60% athlete - 20% AFL Footballer - 20% Lazy
3- King - for a maligned player,i wouldn't mind 22 blokes with the same passion and commitment.
4- Umpiring was deplorable.
5- Reminder to 90% of the team - In contested situations where the ball is loose,Put your peeweak little bodies BETWEEN your opponent and the ball.COMMIT.
Newman did it last week but only after he felt he was ripped off by an umpiring decision :banghead
This needs to be the case with every attack on the ball,every game given we're such a young list.
It's one ploy taht needs no real skil-just balls and COMMITMENT.
6- Martin - Does he chase and tackle at all or just tackle in close?
Lazy prick >:(
7- Couldn't play wet weather football last night.No ticker.
Totally agree on all points ox, called it early, Jack needs to pull his head in and play accountable football, not just the high flying hero stuff.
King has always had the right fighting attitude, even though he makes mistakes, some guys need to take his attitude on board
Umpires were deplorable, even though we wouldnt have known what to do with the ball last night even if they'd handed it to us in the goal square
Unaccountable pee weak football, a disgrace,
That effort would have done wonders for our membership drive and fund raising, how about those show ponies (newbies excluded) put in a little bit of G&D and show people they arent just throwing their hard earned in to the wind :banghead >:(
well said 2JD
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Lids dragged back to full back by his opponent said it all
yeah and on the coach they asked Dimma about Goddard dragging Lids back to the goalsquare and he said we've got that in our notes for next time, and yet he allowed the same thing to happen with burgoyne. Lids should have gone onball or HF to stand Hodge, should have made a different move bc the hawks were ready for him as he's had day outs against them regularly in the past
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Does Dimma knows what he is doing ?????
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5- Reminder to 90% of the team - In contested situations where the ball is loose,Put your peeweak little bodies BETWEEN your opponent and the ball.COMMIT.
Newman did it last week but only after he felt he was ripped off by an umpiring decision :banghead
This needs to be the case with every attack on the ball,every game given we're such a young list.
It's one ploy taht needs no real skil-just balls and COMMITMENT.
:clapping :clapping :clapping
Got it in one Ox
that's why I left that game last so absolutely gutted
Where was the COMMITMENT, the week before we got it this week I reckon we got it for about 15 minutes in the 3rd qtr
Totally agree on all points ox, called it early, Jack needs to pull his head in and play accountable football, not just the high flying hero stuff.
King has always had the right fighting attitude, even though he makes mistakes, some guys need to take his attitude on board
Umpires were deplorable, even though we wouldnt have known what to do with the ball last night even if they'd handed it to us in the goal square
Unaccountable pee weak football, a disgrace,
That effort would have done wonders for our membership drive and fund raising, how about those show ponies (newbies excluded) put in a little bit of G&D and show people they arent just throwing their hard earned in to the wind :banghead >:(
Agree
I sat in the car park list night and for very small moment thought to myself "can I have a refund on FTF donation, my memberships"
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Pope that is right and whats more important is effort and not many stood up last night. In fact no senior players did and if thats okay with blokes like Mr Tasmania then so be it. IMO its unnaceptable. They are weak and lazy. Tackling and Shepherding should be mandatory if you have play senior footy but for our club it seems one handed attempts are acceptable.(e.g Lids)
I have a new found admiration for a bloke like Kingy. This was a guy who was told is future was in limbo if he didnt control his aggression and play team football. Well he listened and look at him go now. Skill wise his not the best but those other downhill skiers need to watch a copy of him these days to know whats it all about.
last night was a debacle from all angles and a step back in terms of development.
totally agree daniel
I think I posted it somewhere last night
Last week we took a few steps forward, last night we took a massive leap backwards
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Does Dimma knows what he is doing ?????
Jack we agree on most things but ge that is very reactive and harsh off 1 bad game. A week is a long week in footy but Round 1 and 2 were good showings we cant forget that.
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you like to try twist things around to suit you
Griffiths plays for Richmond
Butcher plays for Port Adelaide & was drafted before Griffiths
My beef was not to draft Griffiths because his shoulders were extremely high risk & wouldnot hold upto AFL. l would have liked Butcher but he went lower anyway so l dont understand what your trying to gain here
Griffiths has gone down in a short period at VFL / AFL with serious shoulder injuries & his not playing
Butcher on the other hand did play football last year & has been playing this year but who cares about Butcher ??? his not at Tigerland. So l dont know why you persist you stupid boy. Griffiths is keeping someone out of work & he will break again when he returns. Thats if he returns cause he might break at Coburg & be delisted. 2nd year at the club & the experts were correct he would not handle the rigors of AFL but only you will dispute that :lol You know more than the scouts & footy experts
Butcher on the other hand is untried at AFL level & until he plays then you got no case & thats if he ever plays which if you go back & read my posts from last year you will see l stated that.
you need to grow up & learn something from this
Yawn.
Facts:
You were upset we picked Dustin Martin over your dribbler mate John Butcher.
After being destroyed on the forum for this view you moved onto the drafting of Griffiths and predicted he'll never be fit. Yet John Butcher was drafted to Port Adelaide with a dodgy kick and a crook back, and this was deemed OK by you.
Thus making you look like a goose.
I've won this arguement before I don't need to win it again.
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Does Dimma knows what he is doing ?????
Jack we agree on most things but ge that is very reactive and harsh off 1 bad game. A week is a long week in footy but Round 1 and 2 were good showings we cant forget that.
Lids ( our best player) being taken back to the goal square aint a good indication that the coach knows whats going on, sorry
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ok we are one season and abit into the new regime at tigerland,at what point do you guys think its reasonable that we start to show significant improvement..My own opinion is that we need to show significant improvement by the end of this season.And by significant i dont mean top of the ladder stuff but certainly winning our fair share of games.
Yeah but its not just winning games gigantor its showing a bit of ticker, throwing yourself in, i personally dont care if we dont win too many this season, but to see much more of last nights effort, its demoralising
yes this is what i am talking about. 100% on the money.
This is why i applaud guys like King and Jackson for throwing their body in while other guys stood back and did nothing.
If we win great if we don't thats fine but show us something anything just not what we dished up last night, particulary from our senior players.
We were outcoached and outplayed and nothing positive can come from last night.
Clarkson post match conference was very unhappy we were allowed to have more inside 50's yet Dimma seemed to think we matched them in most useless statistical indicators.
..I50's is hardly a useless stat indicator, it is the first fundamental indication of a side chances to win, fail to get the ball in often enough and the side will be rendered no chance. it's what we failed to do once it lobbed in there that was the problem, completele lack of cohesion, and adaption to WET conditions
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gee i read some crap on here :banghead
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gee i read some crap on here :banghead
yeah and 99% is posted by you..... :wallywink :wallywink :wallywink :wallywink
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I50 is a good stat, the fact is Hawks are 5 years in front of us bodywise and time after time they were too strong in the wet got in better position and played off us too easy. Kinda to be expected really.
Yes we had a bad game! Yes they had the luck of the bounce! Yes we needed to put our bodies on the line more! Not going to bring the umpys into it this week as we alone deserved what we got in the end.
All round everthing and not the least ourselves were against us last night, unfortunate as it is it is gunna happen a few more times before we get there.
Dissapointing YES! End of the world? Maybe that will be Friday Night :P
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Smasha finds silver blade......for wrist.
Joking.
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Does Dimma knows what he is doing ?????
Jack we agree on most things but ge that is very reactive and harsh off 1 bad game. A week is a long week in footy but Round 1 and 2 were good showings we cant forget that.
Lids ( our best player) being taken back to the goal square aint a good indication that the coach knows whats going on, sorry
Lids not being in our defensive goal mouth, wouldn't have changed the result. But I see your point, althogh Hardwick has got more right than wrong since Day 1.
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thread needs more yakity sax
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I don't think we can blame the wet weather for our effort. This is almost the same team who cleaned up Port Adelaide at home last year in conditions far worse than on the weekend. Like others have said here, we were just plain soft! Kingy IMO is the clubs benchmark for commitment, motivation and hard at it footy and on the night he was a clear standout and showed that the many of our players were lacking in motivation and intestinal fortitude.
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holy wucking poo awww geeeee things picking up. ox not happy
gerk sitting nn the hole eating cheese ;D :banghead
:santa
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:laugh:
:rollin
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I don't think we can blame the wet weather for our effort. This is almost the same team who cleaned up Port Adelaide at home last year in conditions far worse than on the weekend. Like others have said here, we were just plain soft! Kingy IMO is the clubs benchmark for commitment, motivation and hard at it footy and on the night he was a clear standout and showed that the many of our players were lacking in motivation and intestinal fortitude.
correct and all through the game i was thinking where was the endeavour where was the tackling i saw in that Port game.
Like i said its okay to lose if you gave it your best shot but one handed attempts by senior players are weak and lazy
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LAZY MAORI prick.
OX
if you leave the "Maori" comment off people will focus on the "lazy" part of your post
Put the "Maori" ciomment in and that's what people will read.
You will fail to make your point.
:thumbsup
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Whoa! its getting hot in here!
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Whoa! its getting hot in here!
another intelligent post
:lol
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The Original Flathead unloads another gooch filled salad roll :clapping
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LAZY MAORI prick.
OX
if you leave the "Maori" comment off people will focus on the "lazy" part of your post
Put the "Maori" ciomment in and that's what people will read.
You will fail to make your point.
:thumbsup
Anyone so narrow stuffing minded as he can stuff right off.
Harden the stuff up those of you who feign insult and horror in an attempt to gain civil notoriety.
Political correctness is silent racism,u weak dogs.
You wouldn't even know if i have Maori blood boy,so stfu and go listen to some Aussie hip-hop.
FTR - All u little t u r d s that consider it offensive are the types that have NFI about anything that goes on in the world.
Get stuffing lives.
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Anyone so narrow effing minded as he can eff right off.
Harden the eff up those of you who feign insult and horror in an attempt to gain civil notoriety.
Political correctness is silent racism,u weak dogs.
You wouldn't even know if i have Maori blood boy,so stfu and go listen to some Aussie hip-hop.
FTR - All u little t u r d s that consider it offensive are the types that have NFI about anything that goes on in the world.
Get effing lives.
All fine if your rant against the whole world is the point of your post.
If we are talking about Martin's perceived ability then you are better off leaving the racist comment off.
:thumbsup
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your point is lost with that user name you bloody sea cucumber :thumbsup
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your point is lost with that user name you bloody sea cucumber :thumbsup
Gerks I think 65 does it in an effort to reinvent himself. Next thing you know he'll be adopting third world kiddies and spruiking the virtues of kabbalah.
Strike a Pose.....
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your point is lost with that user name you bloody sea cucumber :thumbsup
Just practicing my Gaelic.
:thumbsup
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LAZY MAORI prick.
OX
if you leave the "Maori" comment off people will focus on the "lazy" part of your post
Put the "Maori" ciomment in and that's what people will read.
You will fail to make your point.
:thumbsup
Anyone so narrow effing minded as he can eff right off.
Harden the eff up those of you who feign insult I need to be sure with parts please tale photos and send to me and horror in an attempt to gain civil notoriety.
Political correctness is silent racism,u weak dogs.
You wouldn't even know if i have Maori blood boy,so stfu and go listen to some Aussie hip-hop.
FTR - All u little t u r d s that consider it offensive are the types that have NFI about anything that goes on in the world.
Get effing lives.
you fail to humble yourself and accept that you are WRONG in using his race in a pejorative manner.
I dare you to walk up to Dusty or his dad and call him that.
SOFT= someone who can't admit when they're WRONG
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Gerks I think 65 does it in an effort to reinvent himself. Next thing you know he'll be adopting third world kiddies and spruiking the virtues of kabbalah.
Strike a Pose.....
bit more Michael Flatley meets Tom Jones I reckon
Just practicing my Gaelic.
:thumbsup
Nice one Bod ;D
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Does Dimma knows what he is doing ?????
Jack we agree on most things but ge that is very reactive and harsh off 1 bad game. A week is a long week in footy but Round 1 and 2 were good showings we cant forget that.
Lids ( our best player) being taken back to the goal square aint a good indication that the coach knows whats going on, sorry
Coach is learning, as are the players. Reality is harsh, but they do keep reminding us we have a long way to go.
I think it is inevitable that we are going to be belted in some games this year, as we were last year. The team is young, it happens. Yes, we were in a position to win against the scum and ainters, but we didn't, and to expect to be in the same position every week isn't going to happen . . . yet. Yes it sucks, give it some time and we will have that each week.
I still think we will win our 8-10 games this year and then have a much better go at it in 2012 where you will see no slip ups in terms of being competitive for 4 quarters! :thumbsup :gotigers
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LAZY MAORI prick.
OX
if you leave the "Maori" comment off people will focus on the "lazy" part of your post
Put the "Maori" ciomment in and that's what people will read.
You will fail to make your point.
:thumbsup
Anyone so narrow effing minded as he can eff right off.
Harden the eff up those of you who feign insult I need to be sure with parts please tale photos and send to me and horror in an attempt to gain civil notoriety.
Political correctness is silent racism,u weak dogs.
You wouldn't even know if i have Maori blood boy,so stfu and go listen to some Aussie hip-hop.
FTR - All u little t u r d s that consider it offensive are the types that have NFI about anything that goes on in the world.
Get effing lives.
you fail to humble yourself and accept that you are WRONG in using his race in a pejorative manner.
I dare you to walk up to Dusty or his dad and call him that.
SOFT= someone who can't admit when they're WRONG
I dare you to have an original thought....ad not one involving tiny animals and dead fish
LMAO@ the word Maori being racist when preceded by the adjective "Lazy"
Wankers.
Is it appropriate to say "Our Hard working Maori Tiger" ?
Of course it is...because it's what you've been brainwashed into believing is acceptable.
I wrote it and I'll tell you - It wasn't a racist comment.
I'll also add that i love the frustrated gays,who banter and brood through their own misunderstandings by projecting their energies onto public,socially susceptible comments that otherwise would have no effect on anything....other than ones own,personal battle with empathy for the injustices of the human race. ::)
Dusty doesn't chase,He's Maori and is proud of it.I'm proud of his Maori heritage.
When he doesn;t chase,he's a lazy Maori prick,
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So all Maoris are lazy?
???
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LAZY MAORI prick.
OX
if you leave the "Maori" comment off people will focus on the "lazy" part of your post
Put the "Maori" ciomment in and that's what people will read.
You will fail to make your point.
:thumbsup
Anyone so narrow effing minded as he can eff right off.
Harden the eff up those of you who feign insult I need to be sure with parts please tale photos and send to me and horror in an attempt to gain civil notoriety.
Political correctness is silent racism,u weak dogs.
You wouldn't even know if i have Maori blood boy,so stfu and go listen to some Aussie hip-hop.
FTR - All u little t u r d s that consider it offensive are the types that have NFI about anything that goes on in the world.
Get effing lives.
you fail to humble yourself and accept that you are WRONG in using his race in a pejorative manner.
I dare you to walk up to Dusty or his dad and call him that.
SOFT= someone who can't admit when they're WRONG
I dare you to have an original thought....ad not one involving tiny animals and dead fish
LMAO@ the word Maori being racist when preceded by the adjective "Lazy"
Wankers.
Is it appropriate to say "Our Hard working Maori Tiger" ?
Of course it is...because it's what you've been brainwashed into believing is acceptable.
I wrote it and I'll tell you - It wasn't a racist comment.
I'll also add that i love the frustrated gays,who banter and brood through their own misunderstandings by projecting their energies onto public,socially susceptible comments that otherwise would have no effect on anything....other than ones own,personal battle with empathy for the injustices of the human race. ::)
Dusty doesn't chase,He's Maori and is proud of it.I'm proud of his Maori heritage.
When he doesn;t chase,he's a lazy Maori prick,
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/__8zulDiLRPA/TUbZkQVlluI/AAAAAAAAAHo/YdVFNzsctB0/s1600/staypuft-marshmallow-man.jpg)
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LAZY MAORI prick.
OX
if you leave the "Maori" comment off people will focus on the "lazy" part of your post
Put the "Maori" ciomment in and that's what people will read.
You will fail to make your point.
:thumbsup
Anyone so narrow effing minded as he can eff right off.
Harden the eff up those of you who feign insult I need to be sure with parts please tale photos and send to me and horror in an attempt to gain civil notoriety.
Political correctness is silent racism,u weak dogs.
You wouldn't even know if i have Maori blood boy,so stfu and go listen to some Aussie hip-hop.
FTR - All u little t u r d s that consider it offensive are the types that have NFI about anything that goes on in the world.
Get effing lives.
you fail to humble yourself and accept that you are WRONG in using his race in a pejorative manner.
I dare you to walk up to Dusty or his dad and call him that.
SOFT= someone who can't admit when they're WRONG
I dare you to have an original thought....ad not one involving tiny animals and dead fish
LMAO@ the word Maori being racist when preceded by the adjective "Lazy"
Wankers.
Is it appropriate to say "Our Hard working Maori Tiger" ?
Of course it is...because it's what you've been brainwashed into believing is acceptable.
I wrote it and I'll tell you - It wasn't a racist comment.
I'll also add that i love the frustrated gays,who banter and brood through their own misunderstandings by projecting their energies onto public,socially susceptible comments that otherwise would have no effect on anything....other than ones own,personal battle with empathy for the injustices of the human race. ::)
Dusty doesn't chase,He's Maori and is proud of it.I'm proud of his Maori heritage.
When he doesn;t chase,he's a lazy Maori prick,
There is simply no need to bring race into it when you're putting him down
Call him a lazy prick all you like, we know who he is, why feel the need to point out that he has maori heritage at the same time?
Either way, he's still one of our best players and he's still only in his 2nd year of football
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Tough aussie priK :thumbsup fine by me
Lazy aussie prik :thumbsup also fine by me
It's only when it's non anglo all the goody 2 shoes get up in arms, GTFOI please ......
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LAZY MAORI prick.
OX
if you leave the "Maori" comment off people will focus on the "lazy" part of your post
Put the "Maori" ciomment in and that's what people will read.
You will fail to make your point.
:thumbsup
Anyone so narrow effing minded as he can eff right off.
Harden the eff up those of you who feign insult and horror in an attempt to gain civil notoriety.
Political correctness is silent racism,u weak dogs.
You wouldn't even know if i have Maori blood boy,so stfu and go listen to some Aussie hip-hop.
FTR - All u little t u r d s that consider it offensive are the types that have NFI about anything that goes on in the world.
Get effing lives.
Ox, that's pee poor.
There are rules and morals for a reason mate.
Lets have discrimination legal everywhere so we can all feel equal. Lets devalue race and life and allow murder, rape and torture.
What a genius idea.
You stuffed up, move on. Don't try and justify it.
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LAZY MAORI prick.
OX
if you leave the "Maori" comment off people will focus on the "lazy" part of your post
Put the "Maori" ciomment in and that's what people will read.
You will fail to make your point.
:thumbsup
Anyone so narrow effing minded as he can eff right off.
Harden the eff up those of you who feign insult I need to be sure with parts please tale photos and send to me and horror in an attempt to gain civil notoriety.
Political correctness is silent racism,u weak dogs.
You wouldn't even know if i have Maori blood boy,so stfu and go listen to some Aussie hip-hop.
FTR - All u little t u r d s that consider it offensive are the types that have NFI about anything that goes on in the world.
Get effing lives.
you fail to humble yourself and accept that you are WRONG in using his race in a pejorative manner.
I dare you to walk up to Dusty or his dad and call him that.
SOFT= someone who can't admit when they're WRONG
I dare you to have an original thought....ad not one involving tiny animals and dead fish
LMAO@ the word Maori being racist when preceded by the adjective "Lazy"
Wankers.
Is it appropriate to say "Our Hard working Maori Tiger" ?
Of course it is...because it's what you've been brainwashed into believing is acceptable.
I wrote it and I'll tell you - It wasn't a racist comment.
I'll also add that i love the frustrated gays,who banter and brood through their own misunderstandings by projecting their energies onto public,socially susceptible comments that otherwise would have no effect on anything....other than ones own,personal battle with empathy for the injustices of the human race. ::)
Dusty doesn't chase,He's Maori and is proud of it.I'm proud of his Maori heritage.
When he doesn;t chase,he's a lazy Maori prick,
When you label someone for their race, good bad or neutral its just racist mate.
Ask Dean Jones how his employment in Foxtel is going after he celebrated a wicket of Amla "Oh my go the turban head has got a wicket"
That was used in a positive tone. He was fired from Foxtel and fled S.A in fear of his life.
Whether you think society is precious or not Ox, racism in any form is just garbage and shouldn't be accepted no matter what context.
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LAZY MAORI prick.
OX
if you leave the "Maori" comment off people will focus on the "lazy" part of your post
Put the "Maori" ciomment in and that's what people will read.
You will fail to make your point.
:thumbsup
Anyone so narrow effing minded as he can eff right off.
Harden the eff up those of you who feign insult I need to be sure with parts please tale photos and send to me and horror in an attempt to gain civil notoriety.
Political correctness is silent racism,u weak dogs.
You wouldn't even know if i have Maori blood boy,so stfu and go listen to some Aussie hip-hop.
FTR - All u little t u r d s that consider it offensive are the types that have NFI about anything that goes on in the world.
Get effing lives.
you fail to humble yourself and accept that you are WRONG in using his race in a pejorative manner.
I dare you to walk up to Dusty or his dad and call him that.
SOFT= someone who can't admit when they're WRONG
I dare you to have an original thought....ad not one involving tiny animals and dead fish
LMAO@ the word Maori being racist when preceded by the adjective "Lazy"
Wankers.
Is it appropriate to say "Our Hard working Maori Tiger" ?
Of course it is...because it's what you've been brainwashed into believing is acceptable.
I wrote it and I'll tell you - It wasn't a racist comment.
I'll also add that i love the frustrated gays,who banter and brood through their own misunderstandings by projecting their energies onto public,socially susceptible comments that otherwise would have no effect on anything....other than ones own,personal battle with empathy for the injustices of the human race. ::)
Dusty doesn't chase,He's Maori and is proud of it.I'm proud of his Maori heritage.
When he doesn;t chase,he's a lazy Maori prick,
I'm not Maori but have dark skin. If you call me a silly, black so and so for posting something you don't like would it offend me?
Probably. Would you care? Absolutely not.
I struggle with the conceited approach you take to this argument.
I also struggle with the fact that I can't write idiot or eff or even poo but racist references in this forum escape being edited because it requires manual intervention.
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I may be a Honkey, but I'm hung like a donkey.
Apologies to all Honkey's and donkeys.
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I also struggle with the fact that I can't write idiot or eff or even poo but racist references in this forum escape being edited because it requires manual intervention.
For what it is worth
I have been in meetings all day for work so I haven't had time to sit down read everything and do any editing during the day
I have only just got home because something just a little bit more important than this forum needed my attention and it meant we had to rush one of dogs to the vet - as I said for me more important than this forum
I am just about to sit down and have dinner with my family - again slightly more important than this forum
Once I finish that I will start sifting through all these post and I will edit where necessary
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I also struggle with the fact that I can't write idiot or eff or even poo but racist references in this forum escape being edited because it requires manual intervention.
For what it is worth
I have been in meetings all day for work so I haven't had time to sit down read everything and do any editing during the day
I have only just got home because something just a little bit more important than this forum needed my attention and it meant we had to rush one of dogs to the vet - as I said for me more important than this forum
I am just about to sit down and have dinner with my family - again slightly more important than this forum
Once I finish that I will start sifting through all these post and I will edit where necessary
Hope the dog is OK.
:yep
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you like to try twist things around to suit you
Griffiths plays for Richmond
Butcher plays for Port Adelaide & was drafted before Griffiths
My beef was not to draft Griffiths because his shoulders were extremely high risk & wouldnot hold upto AFL. l would have liked Butcher but he went lower anyway so l dont understand what your trying to gain here
Griffiths has gone down in a short period at VFL / AFL with serious shoulder injuries & his not playing
Butcher on the other hand did play football last year & has been playing this year but who cares about Butcher ??? his not at Tigerland. So l dont know why you persist you stupid boy. Griffiths is keeping someone out of work & he will break again when he returns. Thats if he returns cause he might break at Coburg & be delisted. 2nd year at the club & the experts were correct he would not handle the rigors of AFL but only you will dispute that :lol You know more than the scouts & footy experts
Butcher on the other hand is untried at AFL level & until he plays then you got no case & thats if he ever plays which if you go back & read my posts from last year you will see l stated that.
you need to grow up & learn something from this
Yawn.
Facts:
You were upset we picked Dustin Martin over your dribbler mate John Butcher.
After being destroyed on the forum for this view you moved onto the drafting of Griffiths and predicted he'll never be fit. Yet John Butcher was drafted to Port Adelaide with a dodgy kick and a crook back, and this was deemed OK by you.
Thus making you look like a goose.
I've won this arguement before I don't need to win it again.
Your a gobbler lad, impersonator & caught out bigtime. no-one listen to a liar did you not read the the boy who cryed wolf.
l wanted a forward not a midfielder. we still getting beaten badly in the midfield & we are getting beaten badly in the forward.
Your mate Rewoldt spent time bad mouthing his teammate martin haha stuffen great playing with someone bigger than the club RICHO 2
Mark my work Butcher will be a fine contributor to AFL football and so will his brother.
you make me look very good cause everyone know you got a forken crooked tounge :rollin
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I also struggle with the fact that I can't write idiot or eff or even poo but racist references in this forum escape being edited because it requires manual intervention.
For what it is worth
I have been in meetings all day for work so I haven't had time to sit down read everything and do any editing during the day
I have only just got home because something just a little bit more important than this forum needed my attention and it meant we had to rush one of dogs to the vet - as I said for me more important than this forum
I am just about to sit down and have dinner with my family - again slightly more important than this forum
Once I finish that I will start sifting through all these post and I will edit where necessary
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Does Dimma knows what he is doing ?????
Jack we agree on most things but ge that is very reactive and harsh off 1 bad game. A week is a long week in footy but Round 1 and 2 were good showings we cant forget that.
Lids ( our best player) being taken back to the goal square aint a good indication that the coach knows whats going on, sorry
Thanks Paul Roos for explaining this on ""On the Couch "' tonight.
Roos agrees with me, LOL
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I found it interesting on Fox tonight that Hirdy says of Kyle Riemers "He can wear whatever colour boots he wants but it wont be in the seniors"
Great call. Again something small but no player is bigger than the team.
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I found it interesting on Fox tonight that Hirdy says of Kyle Riemers "He can wear whatever colour boots he wants but it wont be in the seniors"
Great call. Again something small but no player is bigger than the team.
Well thats what any supporter would want to hear & want. A coach who takes no prisoners
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Hope the dog is OK.
:yep
She will be fine now
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I also struggle with the fact that I can't write idiot or eff or even poo but racist references in this forum escape being edited because it requires manual intervention.
In fairness the swear filter isn't too sophisticated. It merely matches words/expressions (strings of characters) and manual intervention is still required for swear words if people try to get around it by misspelling or adding additional characters. Mentioning someone's race however isn't racist unless it's in a derogative manner. The swear filter can't think and comprehend on its own.
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I also struggle with the fact that I can't write idiot or eff or even poo but racist references in this forum escape being edited because it requires manual intervention.
In fairness the swear filter isn't too sophisticated. It merely matches words/expressions (strings of characters) and manual intervention is still required for swear words if people try to get around it by misspelling or adding additional characters. Mentioning someone's race however isn't racist unless it's in a derogative manner. The swear filter can't think and comprehend on its own.
MT its a fact Maori people love it when people use the word Maori in any way.
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Does Dimma knows what he is doing ?????
Jack we agree on most things but ge that is very reactive and harsh off 1 bad game. A week is a long week in footy but Round 1 and 2 were good showings we cant forget that.
Lids ( our best player) being taken back to the goal square aint a good indication that the coach knows whats going on, sorry
Thanks Paul Roos for explaining this on ""On the Couch "' tonight.
Roos agrees with me, LOL
We got killed at the stoppages especially inside Hawthorn's forward 50 all night. As Darcy on OWAAT showed we had Tigers playing 5-10m off their opponent or not standing goal-side of their opponent which gifted Hawthorn easy goals.
The examples he gave were more our better players ...
Lids on Burgoyne (Lids not standing goal side of his opponent Burgoyne at the ball-up allowing Burgoyne to rove, break the tackle and goal)
Grigg on Hodge (Grigg 5m off Hodge at another ball-up and the Hawthorn ruck deliberately ran into the gap between them and tapped it back to Hodge who in the clear goaled)
Cotch/Ellis (Cotch was by himself at another ball-up 20m out from the Hawks' goal with Ellis 10m on his own behind him. Bateman gathers the ball and Ellis gets a kick out of the congestion for a goal)
Just simple mistakes but oh so costly. You'd expect at Monday's review Dimma would point all this out.
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We got killed at the stoppages especially inside Hawthorn's forward 50 all night. As Darcy on OWAAT showed we had Tigers playing 5-10m off their opponent or not standing goal-side of their opponent which gifted Hawthorn easy goals.
The examples he gave were more our better players ...
Lids on Burgoyne (Lids not standing goal side of his opponent Burgoyne at the ball-up allowing Burgoyne to rove, break the tackle and goal)
Grigg on Hodge (Grigg 5m off Hodge at another ball-up and the Hawthorn ruck deliberately ran into the gap between them and tapped it back to Hodge who in the clear goaled)
Cotch/Ellis (Cotch was by himself at another ball-up 20m out from the Hawks' goal with Ellis 10m on his own behind him. Bateman gathers the ball and Ellis gets a kick out of the congestion for a goal)
Just simple mistakes but oh so costly. You'd expect at Monday's review Dimma would point all this out.
just the way you worded this mate disturbs me. Just simple mistakes but oh so costly.
That just dont cut, that is a Richmond supporter saying thats ok but next week we will fix that, we can fix that
effin NO NO NO thats a huge mistake of BASIC football and is not excepted by any coach
Yes l would expect that be #1 issue at Dimma's review but more important the #1 aftermatch blast which it was
Do not except mediocrity we are in a new era & everyone is accountable. even then supporters >:(
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We got killed at the stoppages especially inside Hawthorn's forward 50 all night. As Darcy on OWAAT showed we had Tigers playing 5-10m off their opponent or not standing goal-side of their opponent which gifted Hawthorn easy goals.
The examples he gave were more our better players ...
Lids on Burgoyne (Lids not standing goal side of his opponent Burgoyne at the ball-up allowing Burgoyne to rove, break the tackle and goal)
Grigg on Hodge (Grigg 5m off Hodge at another ball-up and the Hawthorn ruck deliberately ran into the gap between them and tapped it back to Hodge who in the clear goaled)
Cotch/Ellis (Cotch was by himself at another ball-up 20m out from the Hawks' goal with Ellis 10m on his own behind him. Bateman gathers the ball and Ellis gets a kick out of the congestion for a goal)
Just simple mistakes but oh so costly. You'd expect at Monday's review Dimma would point all this out.
just the way you worded this mate disturbs me. Just simple mistakes but oh so costly.
That just dont cut, that is a Richmond supporter saying thats ok but next week we will fix that, we can fix that
effin NO NO NO thats a huge mistake of BASIC football and is not excepted by any coach
Yes l would expect that be #1 issue at Dimma's review but more important the #1 aftermatch blast which it was
Do not except mediocrity we are in a new era & everyone is accountable. even then supporters >:(
Where in my post did I say our players making basic mistakes was "ok"? ::).
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We got killed at the stoppages especially inside Hawthorn's forward 50 all night. As Darcy on OWAAT showed we had Tigers playing 5-10m off their opponent or not standing goal-side of their opponent which gifted Hawthorn easy goals.
The examples he gave were more our better players ...
Lids on Burgoyne (Lids not standing goal side of his opponent Burgoyne at the ball-up allowing Burgoyne to rove, break the tackle and goal)
Grigg on Hodge (Grigg 5m off Hodge at another ball-up and the Hawthorn ruck deliberately ran into the gap between them and tapped it back to Hodge who in the clear goaled)
Cotch/Ellis (Cotch was by himself at another ball-up 20m out from the Hawks' goal with Ellis 10m on his own behind him. Bateman gathers the ball and Ellis gets a kick out of the congestion for a goal)
Just simple mistakes but oh so costly. You'd expect at Monday's review Dimma would point all this out.
just the way you worded this mate disturbs me. Just simple mistakes but oh so costly.
That just dont cut, that is a Richmond supporter saying thats ok but next week we will fix that, we can fix that
effin NO NO NO thats a huge mistake of BASIC football and is not excepted by any coach
Yes l would expect that be #1 issue at Dimma's review but more important the #1 aftermatch blast which it was
Do not except mediocrity we are in a new era & everyone is accountable. even then supporters >:(
Where in my post did I say our players making basic mistakes was "ok"? ::).
just making sure your on the ball ;D :lol
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sorry MT just getting at you ;D
Pendelbury & Thomas
Deledio & Tambling oh oh 1 down ;D
told you both these players were elite. Trained to the max
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thanks for your input but shove it up ur arses,
Be urselves and expect others to be,
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Does Dimma knows what he is doing ?????
Jack we agree on most things but ge that is very reactive and harsh off 1 bad game. A week is a long week in footy but Round 1 and 2 were good showings we cant forget that.
Lids ( our best player) being taken back to the goal square aint a good indication that the coach knows whats going on, sorry
Thanks Paul Roos for explaining this on ""On the Couch "' tonight.
Roos agrees with me, LOL
We got killed at the stoppages especially inside Hawthorn's forward 50 all night. As Darcy on OWAAT showed we had Tigers playing 5-10m off their opponent or not standing goal-side of their opponent which gifted Hawthorn easy goals.
The examples he gave were more our better players ...
Lids on Burgoyne (Lids not standing goal side of his opponent Burgoyne at the ball-up allowing Burgoyne to rove, break the tackle and goal)
Grigg on Hodge (Grigg 5m off Hodge at another ball-up and the Hawthorn ruck deliberately ran into the gap between them and tapped it back to Hodge who in the clear goaled)
Cotch/Ellis (Cotch was by himself at another ball-up 20m out from the Hawks' goal with Ellis 10m on his own behind him. Bateman gathers the ball and Ellis gets a kick out of the congestion for a goal)
Just simple mistakes but oh so costly. You'd expect at Monday's review Dimma would point all this out.
They teach this at TAC level
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They teach this at TAC level
what's your point?
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Away for a couple of days and look what I missed! :shh
Like death and taxes you can always guarantee that some posters will come out after a loss and state that our admin/coaches don't know what they're doing, the young players aren't developing as quickly as they should or Team X's recruits are, our more experienced players are weak and lazy and our recognised 'star' players are frauds. Does this about sum it up?!
I was disappointed with the result the same as everyone here, in fact I was gutted. The think the problem started with our previous two very competitive efforts against two capable opponents. Those results lifted my expectations so I believed another similar result, at worst, was probable.
I know we would struggle as soon as I saw our backline and the weather forecast. To win wet weather footy you need bigger bodies and forwards who are good at ground level. Our backmen, particularly Grimes, was good in the air but looked all at sea when the ball hit the grass. In his second game he did well but obviously to compete against the best he will need to add this aspect to his game. Dimma is correct when he says this experience will be good for our young defenders education - will it mean they will develop into star backmen...well that's another story.
Our team was stacked with young, quick and skilled players. There's was stacked with bigger, stronger, more experienced and tall players who were good below there knees. Recipe for disaster but unavoidable given our list. I honestly believe that the contest would have been much closer if we had had our more experienced backmen in and the weather conditions were drier.
Lids copes a raw deal imho from some around here. Last week is was heralded as a star, this week a lazy/weak waste. ??? Equally statements stating we shouldn't build our forward future on Jack is emotive dribble. Yes he needs to pull his head in. Yes it's not safe to rely on any one player ever (Richo anyone :banghead) but to say he doesn't have a future at our club after winning the Coleman medal last year is far too premature.
Similarly Dimma may have made a mistake by leaving Lids in the Hawks goalsquare but how are we too know what the game plan was. It seems to me that whenever people don't understand the reasons behind something they automatically believe the worse around here. They think they see one mistake and make an assumption that everything that person has done and will do will be a mistake.
One game out of a very long season....
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Away for a couple of days and look what I missed! :shh
Like death and taxes you can always guarantee that some posters will come out after a loss and state that our admin/coaches don't know what they're doing, the young players aren't developing as quickly as they should or Team X's recruits are, our more experienced players are weak and lazy and our recognised 'star' players are frauds. Does this about sum it up?!
I was disappointed with the result the same as everyone here, in fact I was gutted. The think the problem started with our previous two very competitive efforts against two capable opponents. Those results lifted my expectations so I believed another similar result, at worst, was probable.
I know we would struggle as soon as I saw our backline and the weather forecast. To win wet weather footy you need bigger bodies and forwards who are good at ground level. Our backmen, particularly Grimes, was good in the air but looked all at sea when the ball hit the grass. In his second game he did well but obviously to compete against the best he will need to add this aspect to his game. Dimma is correct when he says this experience will be good for our young defenders education - will it mean they will develop into star backmen...well that's another story.
Our team was stacked with young, quick and skilled players. There's was stacked with bigger, stronger, more experienced and tall players who were good below there knees. Recipe for disaster but unavoidable given our list. I honestly believe that the contest would have been much closer if we had had our more experienced backmen in and the weather conditions were drier.
Lids copes a raw deal imho from some around here. Last week is was heralded as a star, this week a lazy/weak waste. ??? Equally statements stating we shouldn't build our forward future on Jack is emotive dribble. Yes he needs to pull his head in. Yes it's not safe to rely on any one player ever (Richo anyone :banghead) but to say he doesn't have a future at our club after winning the Coleman medal last year is far too premature.
Similarly Dimma may have made a mistake by leaving Lids in the Hawks goalsquare but how are we too know what the game plan was. It seems to me that whenever people don't understand the reasons behind something they automatically believe the worse around here. They think they see one mistake and make an assumption that everything that person has done and will do will be a mistake.
One game out of a very long season....
Top post, mate. :thumbsup
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Well Luke Darcy and Paul Roos stated the obvious on the shows last night, exactly what some posters have posted on here.
By the way, this is a forum.
I would think that Paul Roos has more idea collectively,than some of the nuffers on here.
Luke Darcy, ditto.
We have been terrible pre season, ordinary against the Blues, when the game was handed to us, and who knows against the saints seeing they got belted last weekend.
Keep in mind we havent beaten a melbourne based team since August 2009 when we kicked a goal after the siren( Jordan McMahon )
Yep, we are travelling okay, ::) ::) ::)
And lets dont forget the worst Ruckman in the comp who refuses to offer support in D50.
Who do you blame ?? dont blame me
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and then we have players who refuse or dont understand where to stand at stoppages, please :banghead :banghead
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what are you trying to say mate? sack the coach, the players and the recruiters? you seem to be dancing around the elephant tickling its balls. just say what you mean man!
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what are you trying to say mate? sack the coach, the players and the recruiters? you seem to be dancing around the elephant tickling its balls. just say what you mean man!
Players arent up to it.
if you watched the video and comments of what darcy and roos said, you would fully understand where I am coming from, it aint that hard
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what are you trying to say mate? sack the coach, the players and the recruiters? you seem to be dancing around the elephant tickling its balls. just say what you mean man!
Players arent up to it.
if you watched the video and comments of what darcy and roos said, you would fully understand where I am coming from, it aint that hard
I'm trying to understand myself Jack. Are you stating that you feel the coaches are not educating the team well enough? Would you say it was more the players stuff of understanding or the coaches inability to teach the players?
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Jack I don't buy the whole 'Gus doesn't support his team by not taking a mark in the D50'. I think Gus', and the rest of the leagues 1st ruck now, brief is moving around the ground where stoppages occur. We have moved a long way from when ruckmen's brief was contesting the centre square and floating back into defense to act as a floating extra man. Today ruckmen are expected to be another midfielder whether they are capable or not - Gus is acting in this role and, at the very least, ensuring the opposition ruckmen are not roaming free. This is why he is not taking marks in the D50 as his opponent is keeping well away from the area to ensure the space is not clogged up. You can't blame him for this.
The flaws in setups are something that needs to be addressed - definitely, but these are not termanal problems or indicators that the coaches and/or players are lost causes. They just need to ensure this is corrected for the future. I have faith that with all the scrutiny that these sort of blaring problems have caused this week, it will be high on everyone at the clubs priority lists. Lids being dragged out of the play will fit under a similar lesson to be learned.
I completely understand your and many others on here's passion for the club Jack, I just differ from you in how I attempt to voice my methods of change and express frustrations. Different methods but both wanting the same outcome - Tiger flags :gotigers
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Mate, Gus is useless
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as for the flaws in the set ups, i blame both players and assistant coaches as its there role
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ffs go and coach and play urself then cos u r so firkken good
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Mate, Gus is useless
He's the best we have at the moment and his stats compare well with the other ruckmen in 2011. I don't think he will ever be a 'great ruckman' but he is an honest toiler who gives his all and fufills his role in the team. I can see Vickery, Derickx and/or a future ruck trade taking over from him over the next couple of years but physically and experience-wise he will remain our first ruckmen for some time yet.
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as for the flaws in the set ups, i blame both players and assistant coaches as its there role
This will be addressed I'm sure. If by seasons end this remains a glaring problem then something will give - players not adhering to coaches directions or coaches not giving the correct education/directions. I'm happy to wait and see then make up my mind before making any definitive statements.
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Jack I don't buy the whole 'Gus doesn't support his team by not taking a mark in the D50'. I think Gus', and the rest of the leagues 1st ruck now, brief is moving around the ground where stoppages occur. We have moved a long way from when ruckmen's brief was contesting the centre square and floating back into defense to act as a floating extra man. Today ruckmen are expected to be another midfielder whether they are capable or not - Gus is acting in this role and, at the very least, ensuring the opposition ruckmen are not roaming free. This is why he is not taking marks in the D50 as his opponent is keeping well away from the area to ensure the space is not clogged up. You can't blame him for this.
The flaws in setups are something that needs to be addressed - definitely, but these are not termanal problems or indicators that the coaches and/or players are lost causes. They just need to ensure this is corrected for the future. I have faith that with all the scrutiny that these sort of blaring problems have caused this week, it will be high on everyone at the clubs priority lists. Lids being dragged out of the play will fit under a similar lesson to be learned.
I completely understand your and many others on here's passion for the club Jack, I just differ from you in how I attempt to voice my methods of change and express frustrations. Different methods but both wanting the same outcome - Tiger flags :gotigers
Stripes seriously Gus is garbage. Honestly mate im sick to death of him falling to the ground at almost every opportunity. Do you go to games?
Vickery is streets ahead of him. He has shown something this year that bloke and he throws his weight around, Gus simply does not.
How can we go possibly wrong by throwing Browne in there. Gus should be helping out the smaller boys and throwing his weight around, instead i see others throwing him around.
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Jack I don't buy the whole 'Gus doesn't support his team by not taking a mark in the D50'. I think Gus', and the rest of the leagues 1st ruck now, brief is moving around the ground where stoppages occur. We have moved a long way from when ruckmen's brief was contesting the centre square and floating back into defense to act as a floating extra man. Today ruckmen are expected to be another midfielder whether they are capable or not - Gus is acting in this role and, at the very least, ensuring the opposition ruckmen are not roaming free. This is why he is not taking marks in the D50 as his opponent is keeping well away from the area to ensure the space is not clogged up. You can't blame him for this.
The flaws in setups are something that needs to be addressed - definitely, but these are not termanal problems or indicators that the coaches and/or players are lost causes. They just need to ensure this is corrected for the future. I have faith that with all the scrutiny that these sort of blaring problems have caused this week, it will be high on everyone at the clubs priority lists. Lids being dragged out of the play will fit under a similar lesson to be learned.
I completely understand your and many others on here's passion for the club Jack, I just differ from you in how I attempt to voice my methods of change and express frustrations. Different methods but both wanting the same outcome - Tiger flags :gotigers
Stripes seriously Gus is garbage. Honestly mate im sick to death of him falling to the ground at almost every opportunity. Do you go to games?
Vickery is streets ahead of him. He has shown something this year that bloke and he throws his weight around, Gus simply does not.
How can we go possibly wrong by throwing Browne in there. Gus should be helping out the smaller boys and throwing his weight around, instead i see others throwing him around.
for all the angst with Gus, multiply it by 50 and you have Browne. Too skinny, too slow, too awkward. He looks years away to me.
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for all the angst with Gus, multiply it by 50 and you have Browne. Too skinny, too slow, too awkward. He looks years away to me.
Er.. he weighs more than Gus and is taller too ;D
Gus: Ht: 201cm
Wt: 105 Kg
Browne: Ht: 203cm
Wt: 105 Kg
As for "years" away considering it's Browne's 3rd season compared to Gus' 5th (possible 6th) that's not all that suprising :thumbsup
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Out: Graham
In: Browne
Let's see what the big Jaffa has got. If he fails we have lost nothing.
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for all the angst with Gus, multiply it by 50 and you have Browne. Too skinny, too slow, too awkward. He looks years away to me.
Er.. he weighs more than Gus and is taller too ;D
Gus: Ht: 201cm
Wt: 105 Kg
Browne: Ht: 203cm
Wt: 105 Kg
As for "years" away considering it's Browne's 3rd season compared to Gus' 5th (possible 6th) that's not all that suprising :thumbsup
WP your post just summed up what l have known for some years.
That some of the posters on here are wankers & have no idea
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as for the flaws in the set ups, i blame both players and assistant coaches as its there role
This will be addressed I'm sure. If by seasons end this remains a glaring problem then something will give - players not adhering to coaches directions or coaches not giving the correct education/directions. I'm happy to wait and see then make up my mind before making any definitive statements.
Im not happy giving them time, we cannot afford to waste another year of develoipment due to poor resources ie coaches having NFI - its a very simple philosophy that doesnt need hours and months of fine tuning - u simply plonk urself goalside of your bloody opponent, suburban hacks have been doing it for yrs without specialist coaches drumming it into them. ::)
These basic skills should be a given from AFL players and there should be an IMMEDIATE improvement in these basic 1 percenters FFS
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daniel, I go to every Melbourne game.
Browne is still behind Gus in terms of ability, speed and skills which is as more of an indicement on him than any compliment to Gus. Vickery will be a far superior ruckman to Gus but he is still too small to compete with the oppositions 1st ruckmen for a full game let alone a full season.
This argument about the ruckmen needing to be constantly dropping back into defence is rediculous. Ruckmen are now expected to be additional tall midfielders now days, resting in the forwardline. The days of the ruckman taking the center bounce and then dropping back into the D50 are long gone. If Gus was stupid enough to do this he would leave his direct opponent without an opponent across the rest of the ground in boundaries throw-ins and in marking contests particularly as we try during kickouts.
When it all comes down to it we have to wait and see. We don't have a choice. We can rant and rave, make as many conclusions based on single acts or games or even seasons but ultimately we are spectactor, supporters and members. We have to trust in the people who are payed to make the decisions. Up until now I have had no reason to think that Dimma and co. are doing anything other than a terrific job. One game is not going to change my mind on this - a season might - but I'm obviously a little more patient than some :whistle :angel: ;)
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Browne is still behind Gus in terms of ability, speed and skills which is as more of an indicement on him than any compliment to Gus.
I find it hard to believe Browne offers less than a manikin.
I certainly want to find out. Give Big Red another go.
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from the coburg practice match i saw a couple a of weeks ago Browne offers more around the ground the ground but nothing in terms of tap work
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from the coburg practice match i saw a couple a of weeks ago Browne offers more around the ground the ground but nothing in terms of tap work
I saw the game he played that was televised on ABC and wasn'y overly impressed but I would still be happy for him to be given another try. We could certainly do with his height but I just fear that his movement and overhead ability may not be up to scratch. I'm happy to be proven wrong though. :P
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This argument about the ruckmen needing to be constantly dropping back into defence is rediculous. Ruckmen are now expected to be additional tall midfielders now days, resting in the forwardline. The days of the ruckman taking the center bounce and then dropping back into the D50 are long gone. If Gus was stupid enough to do this he would leave his direct opponent without an opponent across the rest of the ground in boundaries throw-ins and in marking contests particularly as we try during kickouts.
Stripes, I think you are missing a very important point, and that is sometimes Gus' role is to drop back in the the D50 and help his team mates. No one is suggesting he should be dropping back in the defensive 50 for entire games but there times he needs to go down there and bloody well defend
If for example Gus' direct opponent is floating forward to give his team another forward option surely Gus has a responsibility to follow his man to at least create a contest ???
I have lost count of the number of times Gus has failed to do this. He didn't do it against Carlton and he failed again to do it agaisnt the Hawks.
I gave a very detailed description in another thread about what it cost us on Saturday when he was standing hands on hips at the 50 mtr line rather than going down and defending the goal line - fact is it gave Hawthorn a goal that quite really shouldn't have been
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Browne is still behind Gus in terms of ability, speed and skills which is as more of an indicement on him than any compliment to Gus.
I find it hard to believe Browne offers less than a manikin.
I certainly want to find out. Give Big Red another go.
hear hear, Gus has been so bad we need to throw caution to the wind and try :pray
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from the coburg practice match i saw a couple a of weeks ago Browne offers more around the ground the ground but nothing in terms of tap work
browne is still v young for a ruckman.
IMO he was one or coburgs better players vs sandy.
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Stripes, I think you are missing a very important point, and that is sometimes Gus' role is to drop back in the the D50 and help his team mates. No one is suggesting he should be dropping back in the defensive 50 for entire games but there times he needs to go down there and bloody well defend
If for example Gus' direct opponent is floating forward to give his team another forward option surely Gus has a responsibility to follow his man to at least create a contest ???
Fair point. If Gus is not following his direct opponent back into their forward fifty then that is a problem. I myself have not noticed this but I'll have to keep an eye out for it in future. Perhaps this has nothing to do with what Gus knows he should be doing but rather him just being too exhausted to do it. Perhaps he is waiting at the F50 arch to given himself a breather if/when the ball is kicked out. Doesn't make his actions anymore excusable but understandable none the less given the new endurance standards demanded from ruckmen this year.
I'm not certain Browne would be any better, actually I doubt very highly whether he would, but if the coaches are seeing Gus becoming a liability to our structures then I would be happy to see the big Redhead given a chance. Maybe not against the Woods though, :-X
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I'd trade Gus for a bag of chips. The bloke cant play
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what sort of chips are we talking and how big a bag?
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any sort and any size bag. the important thing is getting rid of Gus
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Nup mate. You godda hold out for a decent sized packet of O'Gradys chips. That, and a Big M scented hoola hoop.
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I'd trade Gus for a bag of chips. The bloke cant play
would agree
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Big test tonight for Gus. He is playing against Collingwoods 3rd string ruckman and even though Wood is 4cm taller he should be able to use his additional experience against him. If he can't well then the future isn't looking bright for Gus no matter how positiive I'm trying to be.... ;)
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Derricks and Vickery will be the ruck duo by the middle of the season. Gus and Browne have never been up to it.
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Derricks and Vickery will be the ruck duo by the middle of the season. Gus and Browne have never been up to it.
:clapping :thumbsup
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Derricks and Vickery will be the ruck duo by the middle of the season. Gus and Browne have never been up to it.
Nail-head-hit. :thumbsup
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How are we all so sure on Derickx but not Browne?
Red rooster chips at the G r Yum ;D
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How are we all so sure on Derickx but not Browne?
Red rooster chips at the G r Yum ;D
I'm not sure, but it would be fair to say the club is of the view that as soon as Derrickx is injury free and shows a 'just ample' level of match fitness, he will come in for Graham. :shh
And you can take that to the bank.
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How are we all so sure on Derickx but not Browne?
Red rooster chips at the G r Yum ;D
I'm not sure, but it would be fair to say the club is of the view that as soon as Derrickx is injury free and shows a 'just ample' level of match fitness, he will come in for Graham. :shh
And you can take that to the bank.
All he needs is one contested mark and he's in.........
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Big test tonight for Gus. He is playing against Collingwoods 3rd string ruckman and even though Wood is 4cm taller he should be able to use his additional experience against him. If he can't well then the future isn't looking bright for Gus no matter how positiive I'm trying to be.... ;)
What extra experience? 272 days of age?
Cameron Wood 2004 Draft 23 years 86 days old 46 games experience
Angus Graham 2005 Rookie Draft 23 years 358 days old 36 games experience
Yet Wood is a 3rd stringer and Graham is our #1 ruck
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Big test tonight for Gus. He is playing against Collingwoods 3rd string ruckman and even though Wood is 4cm taller he should be able to use his additional experience against him. If he can't well then the future isn't looking bright for Gus no matter how positiive I'm trying to be.... ;)
What extra experience? 272 days of age?
Cameron Wood 2004 Draft 23 years 86 days old 46 games experience
Angus Graham 2005 Rookie Draft 23 years 358 days old 36 games experience
Yet Wood is a 3rd stringer and Graham is our #1 ruck
I wanted Wood during trade period a couple of years ago when our ruck stocks were heading down.....mmmm.
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Big test tonight for Gus. He is playing against Collingwoods 3rd string ruckman and even though Wood is 4cm taller he should be able to use his additional experience against him. If he can't well then the future isn't looking bright for Gus no matter how positiive I'm trying to be.... ;)
What extra experience? 272 days of age?
Cameron Wood 2004 Draft 23 years 86 days old 46 games experience
Angus Graham 2005 Rookie Draft 23 years 358 days old 36 games experience
Yet Wood is a 3rd stringer and Graham is our #1 ruck
I wanted Wood during trade period a couple of years ago when our ruck stocks were heading down.....mmmm.
I have a feeling we will be targeting Hamish Macintosh from North, by the time FA comes in he will be into his 8th-9th year, could definitely offer him more then anything the Kangas good match and would be our 1st choice ruck instead of second stringer at the Roos.
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Jack I don't buy the whole 'Gus doesn't support his team by not taking a mark in the D50'. I think Gus', and the rest of the leagues 1st ruck now, brief is moving around the ground where stoppages occur. We have moved a long way from when ruckmen's brief was contesting the centre square and floating back into defense to act as a floating extra man. Today ruckmen are expected to be another midfielder whether they are capable or not - Gus is acting in this role and, at the very least, ensuring the opposition ruckmen are not roaming free. This is why he is not taking marks in the D50 as his opponent is keeping well away from the area to ensure the space is not clogged up. You can't blame him for this.
The flaws in setups are something that needs to be addressed - definitely, but these are not termanal problems or indicators that the coaches and/or players are lost causes. They just need to ensure this is corrected for the future. I have faith that with all the scrutiny that these sort of blaring problems have caused this week, it will be high on everyone at the clubs priority lists. Lids being dragged out of the play will fit under a similar lesson to be learned.
I completely understand your and many others on here's passion for the club Jack, I just differ from you in how I attempt to voice my methods of change and express frustrations. Different methods but both wanting the same outcome - Tiger flags :gotigers
Stripes seriously Gus is garbage. Honestly mate im sick to death of him falling to the ground at almost every opportunity. Do you go to games?
Vickery is streets ahead of him. He has shown something this year that bloke and he throws his weight around, Gus simply does not.
How can we go possibly wrong by throwing Browne in there. Gus should be helping out the smaller boys and throwing his weight around, instead i see others throwing him around.
We don't often agree Daniel but you are dead right with this one.
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Big test tonight for Gus. He is playing against Collingwoods 3rd string ruckman and even though Wood is 4cm taller he should be able to use his additional experience against him. If he can't well then the future isn't looking bright for Gus no matter how positiive I'm trying to be.... ;)
What extra experience? 272 days of age?
Cameron Wood 2004 Draft 23 years 86 days old 46 games experience
Angus Graham 2005 Rookie Draft 23 years 358 days old 36 games experience
Yet Wood is a 3rd stringer and Graham is our #1 ruck
I wanted Wood during trade period a couple of years ago when our ruck stocks were heading down.....mmmm.
He is as bad as Graham WAT. Only difference is the players above them at the respective clubs.
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he's worse than graham