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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on September 04, 2013, 02:27:23 AM
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Port Adelaide's Matt Thomas likely to join Richmond
MICHELANGELO RUCCI
From: The Advertiser
September 03, 2013 10:58PM
PORT Adelaide is destined to "lose" its third free-agent in two years with defender-midfielder Matt Thomas drawing interest from Richmond.
Thomas, 26, still has no contract offer from the Power - and is again tempting the Tigers, this time to cover the loss by retirement of experienced midfielder Shane Tuck.
The Tigers considered Thomas last year but needed to trade for the Victorian as he was still under contract at Alberton. This year, Richmond merely has to put an attractive offer to Thomas - and claim him as a free agent, as it did with Power key defender Troy Chaplin last season.
If Port does not match Richmond's offer, Thomas can simply walk to Punt Road without compensation to the Power.
Port football operations chief Peter Rohde confirmed the Power still has not entered contract talks with Thomas.
"We have not made a final decision," said Rohde of the list-management planning at Alberton.
Thomas has played just four games this season, adding to the 83 since his AFL debut in 2006. He has fallen into competition for a place in the Power match 22 with younger contenders Cam O'Shea, Aaron Young and first-year sensation Ollie Wines.
Port had five free agents this season - and has just Thomas and defender-midfielder Tom Logan with their futures undecided. Of the other free agents, Brett Ebert has retired and Kane Cornes and Alipate Carlile have signed new deals.
Port last year conceded free agents Chaplin to Richmond and Danyle Pearce to Fremantle while claiming small forward Angus Monfries from Essendon.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/port-adelaide8217s-matt-thomas-likely-to-join-richmond/story-fndv8s6g-1226710117866
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Our recruiting has been very good of late,but for crying out loud surely we can find players other than the 2 Adelaide clubs
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Gee nice work if you can get it tigers , this would be another silent nighty a bit like Maric that no one saw coming, this guy could be anything in the right environment with some development punt rd style :shh
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Gee nice work if you can get it tigers , this would be another silent nighty a bit like Maric that no one saw coming, this guy could be anything in the right environment with some development punt rd style :shh
lol
very very average player and I agree with gigantor about the SA focus. hope this player stays in Adelaide.
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We were very keen to get him over last year but it didn't eventuate. he's only managed 4 games this year with Port which is a worry :huh
To be honest even as a fee agent I'm not sure he is worth it. Who he would be an upgrade on? To me he is a hard inside mid with no pace and poor foot skills, you could say he's a poor mans Tuck!
He'd be a depth player at best, maybe take Lonergans spot on the rookie list would be an ok scenario.
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Blair Hartley has had a very good track record over the past 3 or 4 years and worked at Port while Thomas would have been playing there. If they were hunting him down last year too then I think he will be another quality depth player like our other acquisitions. The strength of our trading compared to other clubs is that they have improved our overall squad without costing us anything.
I know very little about Thomas but I have a great deal of faith in our recruitment/trading so I'm predicting he will be another great asset to the squad :thumbsup
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No, no and No.
He can not kick and will be a list clogger!
:banghead
Develop the cubs ie: Vlastuin, Arnot, Ellis and our 1st draft pick (providing we go for a midfielder!)
Rookie Thomas AT BEST!
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At face value - do not want, but given our recent track record, I'll back them in 100%
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Hey bojo :thumbsup
Can you give us one of your creative descriptions of this bloke?
Ala hands like steel hooves :shh
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Tucky should play till he's 45
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21. Matt Thomas
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTAyNFg3MzY=/$%28KGrHqN,!jkE9WFzI%29v3BPcr9CvvO!~~60_35.JPG)
DOB 27-02-1987
Height 186 cm
Weight 87 kg
Debut 2006 (R14 vs Richmond)
Games
2013 4
Career 87
Goals
2013 3
Career 30
2013 Dream Team Points
Total 244
Avg 61
2013 STATS
Kicks 4.5
Handballs 11.2
Disposals 15.7
Marks 3.0
Hit-Outs 0.2
Tackles 3.5
Goals 0.7
Rd Opponent Result K H D M HO FF FA T G B DT
9. Geelong Cats L 68 - 116 6 12 18 3 0 0 1 3 2 0 72
12. GWS Giants W 50 - 125 5 12 17 3 0 0 0 4 0 1 65
13. Sydney Swans W 72 - 54 3 4 7 2 0 0 1 5 0 0 40
16. Hawthorn L 79 - 124 4 17 21 4 1 0 2 2 1 0 67
http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/player-profile/matt-thomas
Career stats:
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=1665&SeasonID=ALL
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Dud, delist ::)
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He s a human wrecking ball is thomo, with some serious silk surrounding him in Martin , Delids , cotch, gee where do is stop :o...he could seriously compliment our gilt edged midfield pack. Lets face it, it would be easier to get a gig with the Rolling Stones than the tigers midfield this year but we still need insurance. If thomo can join lonners on the sidelines then like, whoa. That's a dreamtime reserve bench :shh
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Woah :shh Greg Thommo :clapping
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Yessss :clapping bojo :shh nice work
Look at him gooooooooooooo ;D
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Adam Thompson anyone. :shh
Kid has hardly played last few years. Could be Primus regime had him on the outer and Hinkley has done the same given Ollie Wines, Boak, Wingard and other kids have moved ahead of him.
Someone said I'll back Blair and ultimately I will too but I kind of feel there are better players.
I hope I am wrong.
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Adam Thompson anyone. :shh
Kid has hardly played last few years. Could be Primus regime had him on the outer and Hinkley has done the same given Ollie Wines, Boak, Wingard and other kids have moved ahead of him.
Someone said I'll back Blair and ultimately I will too but I kind of feel there are better players.
I hope I am wrong.
Yep, another Adam Thomson, worse.
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Surely the investment in the draft with Arnott & Helbig is worth further development. Thomas would probably want 3 years, and that is 3 years too many with the younger fellas already on the list.
Blair has got some credits in the bank, if he has the budget, perhaps he should spend them on a big fish rather than plastic widgy bait.
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to be honest if we beat the scum Sunday i couldn't care less if they brought back Bulluss on a 5 year deal.
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to be honest if we beat the scum Sunday i couldn't care less if they brought back Bulluss on a 5 year deal.
:lol
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:lol Daniel
Woah :shh Greg Thommo :clapping
Yessss :clapping
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Yessss :clapping bojo :shh nice work
Look at him gooooooooooooo ;D
Tuck looks like a Greek warrior just defeated Persian works :cheers :bow
Pass on port spuds ffs :banghead 26 might as well give lonergan 3 year deL
Sack hard wick if he continues goin spas on the topping up
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He s a human wrecking ball is thomo, with some serious silk surrounding him in Martin , Delids , cotch, gee where do is stop :o...he could seriously compliment our gilt edged midfield pack. Lets face it, it would be easier to get a gig with the Rolling Stones than the tigers midfield this year but we still need insurance. If thomo can join lonners on the sidelines then like, whoa. That's a dreamtime reserve bench :shh
Geez (http://www.footballforums.net/forums/images/smilies/grayno.gif)
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Doubt many people rated Grigg or Houli, and everybody was going on about how crap Chaplin's kicking is.
They've turned out alright.
Ill trust the club on this one but id rather they hunted down a powerful KPF.
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Schulz......wait, Wot :o
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The RFC circa 2013. , knows a footballer when they see one, I'm willing to back the clubs judgement coz like whoa, they've got a few credits in the bank of late :shh
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The RFC circa 2013. , knows a footballer when they see one, I'm willing to back the clubs judgement coz like whoa, they've got a few credits in the bank of late :shh
if Richmond brought in a pile of crap youd tell us its a great move because we could fertilize the ground at Punt Road.
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:lol
but he would be correct ;D
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The RFC circa 2013. , knows a footballer when they see one, I'm willing to back the clubs judgement coz like whoa, they've got a few credits in the bank of late :shh
if Richmond brought in a pile of crap youd tell us its a great move because we could fertilize the ground at Punt Road.
You needn't be insulting gramps :lol...I'm simply calling it how it is
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The RFC circa 2013. , knows a footballer when they see one, I'm willing to back the clubs judgement coz like whoa, they've got a few credits in the bank of late :shh
if Richmond brought in a pile of crap youd tell us its a great move because we could fertilize the ground at Punt Road.
You needn't be insulting gramps :lol...I'm simply calling it how it is
love your work bj :thumbsup
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If BJ rates him that is good enough for me
Welcome to RFC Thommo ya gun :gotigers
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Matt Thomas has been delisted by Port Adelaide today.
Thomas played 87 games for the Power and was known for his hard-at-it, in-and-under style.
The 26-year-old played four senior games this season but has been dominant for Norwood and is one of the favourites for Tuesday night's Magarey Medal.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-09-16/seven-cut-from-port-adelaides-list
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Would be a shrewd pick up by the tigers, Magarey medal fav, no reason at all this guy can't be a Barlow type with the right opportunities :shh
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So if we were still into him (who only knows why) we just pick him up for nothing as a delisted free agent?
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rookie spot would be more appropriate
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With all the possum poo already cleaned up I can't find a role for Thomas at Richmond
Could maybe paint the old scoreboard?
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Who
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Straight swap for Lonergan. I don't have an issue with picking him up as long as we get him for nothing.
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geez another sam lonergan how many slow poorly skilled cant find the ball players do we want.
geez and posters on this site have the gall to have a go at me about upgrades perhaps they should be asking the club.
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geez another sam lonergan how many slow poorly skilled cant find the ball players do we want.
geez and posters on this site have the gall to have a go at me about upgrades perhaps they should be asking the club.
Lets be honest Claw, you wouldn't know the first thing about Matt Thomas. You struggle with our lot. YOU THINK RANCE NEEDS TO BE REPLACED! :lol
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He doesn't watch players outside WA
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geez another sam lonergan how many slow poorly skilled cant find the ball players do we want.
geez and posters on this site have the gall to have a go at me about upgrades perhaps they should be asking the club.
So slow poorly skilled players who can't find the ball become favourites to win the Magarey Medal? Wow! I wonder how bad the rest must be in the SANFL????
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i still remember when sam lonegan was the lock in to get upgraded when he was still in the rehab group, and the churlish response when the notion was queried.
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DELISTED Port Adelaide player Matt Thomas has boosted his chances of being gifted a second chance at AFL level by winning the SANFL's Magarey Medal.
It's the second year in a row that a freshly delisted AFL player has won the award, after former Adelaide player Brad Symes won it while playing for Central District in 2012.
Thomas enjoyed a sensational season for Norwood, winning the prestigious individual honour with 26 votes ahead of Port Adelaide small forward Sam Gray with 21.
He is the 11th Norwood player to win the award and the first since Andrew Jarman in 1997.
The 26-year-old played four games for the Power this year, but was one of seven players delisted on Monday.
He likened the low of losing his place at the Power and then the high of Tuesday night's medal win to an amusement park ride.
"I'm a bit overwhelmed at the moment – it's been a rollercoaster 24 hours," Thomas said.
"To have a sweetener like that heading into a really important month of footy is just really great.
"To be alongside those [previous winners] is something that I'll obviously hold pretty special and dear to my heart."
Finding himself eight votes behind Redlegs teammate and Crows-listed Mitch Grigg after round 14, Thomas admitted he thought he was too far back to win.
"My girlfriend Stacy and I said at round 14 we thought we'd probably done our dash, then all of a sudden some of the votes started rolling through.
"I'm still so surprised."
Norwood will play West Adelaide in the second semi-final on Sunday, with a grand final place at stake.
"I haven't played finals at Norwood, I haven't played finals in Adelaide so my attention turns to that and it's pretty exciting to think of the possibilities," Thomas said.
"We've had such an outstanding year as a team and I'm looking to giving them some love on the weekend and hopefully coming away with some wins."
Thomas attracted interest during last season's trade period from Richmond but remained with Port Adelaide, the club he debuted with in 2006.
Meanwhile East Fremantle midfielder Rory O'Brien streeted the field to win Monday night's Sandover Medal for the WAFL's best and fairest player after polling 55 votes.
Of interest to AFL draft watchers was the performance of the Swan Districts forward Dayle Garlett, who polled 24 votes to finish in the top 10.
The talented Garlett was overlooked in last year's NAB AFL Draft because of perceived off-field issues, and also missed selection in the NAB AFL Pre-season Draft despite training with Essendon over the summer.
He remains of interest to AFL clubs, with several clubs meeting the 19-year-old during the year.
Twitter: @AFL_Harry
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-09-18/thomas-on-top
Reminder if you copy an article or something from another web-site etc you must include a link back to the original source doc/author
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I remember when the Magarey used to be won by good players
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I remember when the Magarey used to be won by good players
That's what I was thinking gerker. Is the bloke he beat by 5 votes on any clubs radar??
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Delisted Port Adelaide player Matt Thomas has taken out the SANFL's Magarey Medal.
Thomas polled 26 votes for Norwood.
It has been rumoured he will be handed a lifeline by Richmond.
https://www.stuff.com/TheZanottiFiles
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Delisted Port Adelaide player Matt Thomas has taken out the SANFL's Magarey Medal.
Thomas polled 26 votes for Norwood.
It has been rumoured he will be handed a lifeline by Richmond.
https://www.stuff.com/TheZanottiFiles
Obviously get their stories from OER and BF! ;D
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Thomas had 34 possessions and 7 clearances in Norwood's 51 point semi-final win over West Adelaide in the SANFL yesterday.
http://www.sanfl.com.au/news/sanfl_news/2261/
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Thomas had 34 possessions and 7 clearances in Norwood's 51 point semi-final win over West Adelaide in the SANFL yesterday.
http://www.sanfl.com.au/news/sanfl_news/2261/
Will be a very shrewd pick up this guy, and don't think we are the only club interested, think Barlow , whoa :shh
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Thomas had 34 possessions and 7 clearances in Norwood's 51 point semi-final win over West Adelaide in the SANFL yesterday.
http://www.sanfl.com.au/news/sanfl_news/2261/
Will be a very shrewd pick up this guy, and don't think we are the only club interested, think Barlow , whoa :shh
::) ::)
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Thomas had 34 possessions and 7 clearances in Norwood's 51 point semi-final win over West Adelaide in the SANFL yesterday.
http://www.sanfl.com.au/news/sanfl_news/2261/
Will be a very shrewd pick up this guy, and don't think we are the only club interested, think Barlow , whoa :shh
You have absolutely no inside info on who is looking at Matty and what he is like as a player. Come up with your own opinions instead of this "whoa" rubbish.
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whoa, Coach crosses the road to tell it like it is, whoa :police:
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Thomas had 34 possessions and 7 clearances in Norwood's 51 point semi-final win over West Adelaide in the SANFL yesterday.
http://www.sanfl.com.au/news/sanfl_news/2261/
Will be a very shrewd pick up this guy, and don't think we are the only club interested, think Barlow , whoa :shh
Think not! ::)
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think barlow. lol
think Sewell younger bro.
dominated at VFL level but too slow for the real caper
pass
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think barlow. lol
think Sewell younger bro.
dominated at VFL level but too slow for the real caper
pass
Matty is probably good enough to be a decent depth player at a bottom 8 club. Sort of like he was at Port for the last 5 years. We're a top 8 club now and we can do better. Does give it a red hot crack though this lad
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Matty is probably good enough to be a decent depth player at a bottom 8 club. Sort of like he was at Port for the last 5 years. We're a top 8 club now and we can do better. Does give it a red hot crack though this lad
Serious question Coach: would he be an upgrade on Lonergan as depth?
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Matty is probably good enough to be a decent depth player at a bottom 8 club. Sort of like he was at Port for the last 5 years. We're a top 8 club now and we can do better. Does give it a red hot crack though this lad
Serious question Coach: would he be an upgrade on Lonergan as depth?
He is! For a Rookie listed player, YES!
Senior listed player, NO!
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Lonergan and Matt Thomas :bow :bow :bow
Pettard plus Grigg on the wings
:shh :shh
C: Pettard Lonergan Grigg
OB: Orren Jackson Thomas
HF: 'Chris Tapscott Salam
:clapping
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think barlow. lol
think Sewell younger bro.
dominated at VFL level but too slow for the real caper
pass
Matty is probably good enough to be a decent depth player at a bottom 8 club. Sort of like he was at Port for the last 5 years. We're a top 8 club now and we can do better. Does give it a red hot crack though this lad
would he be a suitable pickup for say a Melbourne? who have no midfield besides Jones
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would be good for us as we don't have enough hard inside players
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Does he run like a gazelle?
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Thomas had 34 possessions and 7 clearances in Norwood's 51 point semi-final win over West Adelaide in the SANFL yesterday.
http://www.sanfl.com.au/news/sanfl_news/2261/
sam lonergan does the same in the vfl that doesnt make him a good afl player.
the big body advantage they have is not there in the afl and he struggles. he struggles because the big bodies he goes up against in the afl have pace and good skills. his size is no longer a massive advantage.
hes 27 yo with basic deficiencies that will never ever be over come. we have enough players who have severe limitations and are limited in the roles they can play.
i think we all can agree he has limitations. i ask in all seriousness what outstanding attribute does he bring to the table that may offset these deficiencies.. name one anybody please.
theres a few positives
1/ get him for nothing.
2/ hes coming off a good season one of few good seasons hes had.
3/ hes a big body and thats means he can at least compete.
in 8 yrs of afl footy he regularly butchers the ball. he actually gets more outside ball than inside and he cant kick wtf are they thinking.
for an inside ball winning mid he goes at about 15 possesions a game at afl level in 8 yrs. ffs it isnt good enough.
but ya know what the club says hes bloody good so that must be the case. i really wonder if people actually watch opposition teams at all.
there is no way we can take this bloke and keep lonergan. what ever happened to the old adage of trying to find well rounded players who at least have adequate skills for afl footy.
why are there no alarm bells.
a mid whos 8 yr record at the level says he cant kick is slow and doesnt find a heap of ball.
8 yrs in the spotlight and we choose to ignore those deficiencies.
we really have to cut into our list of deficient players not add to em.
i can live with us taking him for nothing and we cut a dud to make way for him.
heres hartleys list of players he has taken from other clubs. i will grant him nearly all have filled a hole where we had no player of that type or they have been an upgrade on very ordinary underperforming players.
but if people are hanging their hats on what he taken as far as quality goes then im sorry i totally disagree.
a edwards - a last minute stop gap because we have failed in this area in the past. again he gets a game because there is no other like him on the list. we took him and i agreed with it because we had none of his typeapart from ohanlon who still isnt ready and may never be.
stephenson another stop gap barely up to afl standard. there were other options and we chose to ignore em.
grigg - bloody hell has one thing going for him and that is his run and spread is good. he is very poor in many areas including being one sided and as soft as butter.. he fails in most areas and would not get a game if we had adequate skillful running players. he was an upgrade that needs upgrading.
houli - slow one sided defensively poor and limited in the role he does.
knights - an injury prone player who remains injury prone.
lonergan - need i say more an out rihght hack at afl level very good at vfl.
maric - geez at last a success story. as far as ruckmen go hes well rounded and it shows in just how competetive he is week in week out.
petterd - another who is abysmal by foot.
blair hartley and his record. take maric the ruckman out and hes not delivered one well rounded player. hes delivered deficient players who have been upgrades on duds. players who are role players and limited in what roles they can do.and hes doing it again. most have served a purpose while better more well rounded kids have developed but it is time to upgrade on them.
why cant he identify a player who at least meets a decent skillset requirement for afl footy ie can kick. a player who has the physical attributes to play afl footy decent pace, and a player who has proven himself at the lower level. matt thomas ticks just one of these boxes . as such i hope we dont take him.
what i dont get is why we are solely it seems looking at players currently on afl lists.
why not target the state leagues as well michael barlow for example and so many others yet it seems we largely ignore this avenue.
when i hear such tripe like i trust blair hartley to get it right, i think the sheep are still blindly following what they are told insterad of looking for themselves.
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His 27?! Massive no for me then. Assumed he was 22ish :lol
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his 27 what?
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his 27 what?
27th worst player in the AFL
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he owns that?
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Claw & Peace
kill me
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Snore and peace
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Oh you guys
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Thomas had 34 possessions and 7 clearances in Norwood's 51 point semi-final win over West Adelaide in the SANFL yesterday.
http://www.sanfl.com.au/news/sanfl_news/2261/
Will be a very shrewd pick up this guy, and don't think we are the only club interested, think Barlow , whoa :shh
You have absolutely no inside info on who is looking at Matty and what he is like as a player. Stop being such a backside licker and come up with your own opinions instead of this "whoa" rubbish.
ill give you an opinion piece, stuff off :lol
Amazing how certain posters are allowed to tell others to stuff off and they get away with it. However, if I call a mate 'cocko' I will get a perma ban :lol
No, I don't think he would be an upgrade over Lonergan. Like choosing between duck poo and pigeon poo anyway.
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I thought Chapman was one of Blair Hartley's gets too?
If Knights does stay uninjured for a season then he will be a good player.
I wouldn't be surprised if Stephensen, Lonergan and Pettard all go soon, depending on what we have to improve on them but all three of them were late picks, rookie or otherwise. Just the best of what was around that filled our needs.
I think this filling the holes policy with a full time opposition analyst paid off this year.
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Claw you have to be kidding about houli being slow...I agree about him being one sided.
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Claw you have to be kidding about houli being slow...I agree about him being one sided.
99% of what the claw wrote is spot on :cheers
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Claw - it is Hartley's role to find role players. The well rounded players are never let go by a club for less than the kitchen sink. They are typically the players who are in a sides top 10%. To get a player through free trade or so we don't play overs during the trade period we can not expect to get complete players.
What Blair has done has found depth and role players for us to improve our overallstandard. The type of player you're talking about are first round draft picks you hope to develop into capable players.
Morris was a fantastic pick up as a stopper. No questioning there I feel.
Houli plays his role extremely well. He is not a hard nosed inside ball winner like the Dons were trying to force him to become. He has his weaknesses but most players do but his ability to set up play by foot is elite.
Grigg is a outside runner. This year he was down on form compared to 2012. He will step up again next year but we got him for that role and we got him for practically nothing.
Maric and Chapman made an immediate and undeniable impact on our fortunes. That can't be questioned. Are they faultless - no but they play their roles extremely well.
Knights, Petterd, A Edwards, Stephenson all add maturity and depth. They play a role, create competition for spots and give us the depth we struggled for for years. They are not the future but that are important pieces to the overall puzzle.
Hartley has done an amazing job with these mature recruits. I feel you are asking for far too much if you want anything other than role/depth players through free trade or for late draft picks.
Chapman
Petterd, Edw
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Amazing how certain posters are allowed to tell others to stuff off and they get away with it. However, if I call a mate 'cocko' I will get a perma ban :lol
No, I don't think he would be an upgrade over Lonergan. Like choosing between duck poo and pigeon poo anyway.
Moderating's gone to crud ever since you got the sack
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Exactly. You don't get 'perfectly rounded' players for next to nothing. Hartley has been fantastic. No question.
Claw, i take it your WAFL lovechilds are all completely without deficiencies then? Perfect players are they? No point looking at them if they're not eh?
facts are our list hasn't been more balanced and talented for yonks, hence our steady stuffing rise up the ladder. This is because people like Blair Hartley are in charge of recruiting and not people like the Claw.
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Thomas had 34 possessions and 7 clearances in Norwood's 51 point semi-final win over West Adelaide in the SANFL yesterday.
http://www.sanfl.com.au/news/sanfl_news/2261/
Will be a very shrewd pick up this guy, and don't think we are the only club interested, think Barlow , whoa :shh
You have absolutely no inside info on who is looking at Matty and what he is like as a player. Stop being such a backside licker and come up with your own opinions instead of this "whoa" rubbish.
ill give you an opinion piece, stuff off :lol
Amazing how certain posters are allowed to tell others to stuff off and they get away with it. However, if I call a mate 'cocko' I will get a perma ban :lol
No, I don't think he would be an upgrade over Lonergan. Like choosing between duck poo and pigeon poo anyway.
Coach,
Everyone knows that You are the Dean Jones of this forum.
Suck it up princess ;D
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Claw - it is Hartley's role to find role players. The well rounded players are never let go by a club for less than the kitchen sink. They are typically the players who are in a sides top 10%. To get a player through free trade or so we don't play overs during the trade period we can not expect to get complete players.
What Blair has done has found depth and role players for us to improve our overallstandard. The type of player you're talking about are first round draft picks you hope to develop into capable players.
Morris was a fantastic pick up as a stopper. No questioning there I feel.
Houli plays his role extremely well. He is not a hard nosed inside ball winner like the Dons were trying to force him to become. He has his weaknesses but most players do but his ability to set up play by foot is elite.
Grigg is a outside runner. This year he was down on form compared to 2012. He will step up again next year but we got him for that role and we got him for practically nothing.
Maric and Chapman made an immediate and undeniable impact on our fortunes. That can't be questioned. Are they faultless - no but they play their roles extremely well.
Knights, Petterd, A Edwards, Stephenson all add maturity and depth. They play a role, create competition for spots and give us the depth we struggled for for years. They are not the future but that are important pieces to the overall puzzle.
Hartley has done an amazing job with these mature recruits. I feel you are asking for far too much if you want anything other than role/depth players through free trade or for late draft picks.
Chapman
Petterd, Edw
Did Hartley recruit Grigg & Houli? How much did he have to do with the recruitment of Morris? And who the stuff is Chapman?
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Claw - it is Hartley's role to find role players. The well rounded players are never let go by a club for less than the kitchen sink. They are typically the players who are in a sides top 10%. To get a player through free trade or so we don't play overs during the trade period we can not expect to get complete players.
What Blair has done has found depth and role players for us to improve our overallstandard. The type of player you're talking about are first round draft picks you hope to develop into capable players.
Morris was a fantastic pick up as a stopper. No questioning there I feel.
Houli plays his role extremely well. He is not a hard nosed inside ball winner like the Dons were trying to force him to become. He has his weaknesses but most players do but his ability to set up play by foot is elite.
Grigg is a outside runner. This year he was down on form compared to 2012. He will step up again next year but we got him for that role and we got him for practically nothing.
Maric and Chapman made an immediate and undeniable impact on our fortunes. That can't be questioned. Are they faultless - no but they play their roles extremely well.
Knights, Petterd, A Edwards, Stephenson all add maturity and depth. They play a role, create competition for spots and give us the depth we struggled for for years. They are not the future but that are important pieces to the overall puzzle.
Hartley has done an amazing job with these mature recruits. I feel you are asking for far too much if you want anything other than role/depth players through free trade or for late draft picks.
Chapman
Petterd, Edw
Did Hartley recruit Grigg & Houli? How much did he have to do with the recruitment of Morris? And who the stuff is Chapman?
You are very angry on this forum lately Coach.....
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Claw - it is Hartley's role to find role players. The well rounded players are never let go by a club for less than the kitchen sink. They are typically the players who are in a sides top 10%. To get a player through free trade or so we don't play overs during the trade period we can not expect to get complete players.
What Blair has done has found depth and role players for us to improve our overallstandard. The type of player you're talking about are first round draft picks you hope to develop into capable players.
Morris was a fantastic pick up as a stopper. No questioning there I feel.
Houli plays his role extremely well. He is not a hard nosed inside ball winner like the Dons were trying to force him to become. He has his weaknesses but most players do but his ability to set up play by foot is elite.
Grigg is a outside runner. This year he was down on form compared to 2012. He will step up again next year but we got him for that role and we got him for practically nothing.
Maric and Chapman made an immediate and undeniable impact on our fortunes. That can't be questioned. Are they faultless - no but they play their roles extremely well.
Knights, Petterd, A Edwards, Stephenson all add maturity and depth. They play a role, create competition for spots and give us the depth we struggled for for years. They are not the future but that are important pieces to the overall puzzle.
Hartley has done an amazing job with these mature recruits. I feel you are asking for far too much if you want anything other than role/depth players through free trade or for late draft picks.
Chapman
Petterd, Edw
Did Hartley recruit Grigg & Houli? How much did he have to do with the recruitment of Morris? And who the stuff is Chapman?
Chapman might be Greg White's mate or so I'm told. Nobody has crossed the street to tell me so my sources are stagnant. Maybe BJ can confirm. :shh
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My sources are telling me that BJ's lawyers have gaged him!
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I've got a question for this potential recruit.....
How's his record against the Scum?
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I've got a question for this potential recruit.....
How's his record against the Scum?
:clapping
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Claw - it is Hartley's role to find role players. The well rounded players are never let go by a club for less than the kitchen sink. They are typically the players who are in a sides top 10%. To get a player through free trade or so we don't play overs during the trade period we can not expect to get complete players.
What Blair has done has found depth and role players for us to improve our overallstandard. The type of player you're talking about are first round draft picks you hope to develop into capable players.
Morris was a fantastic pick up as a stopper. No questioning there I feel.
Houli plays his role extremely well. He is not a hard nosed inside ball winner like the Dons were trying to force him to become. He has his weaknesses but most players do but his ability to set up play by foot is elite.
Grigg is a outside runner. This year he was down on form compared to 2012. He will step up again next year but we got him for that role and we got him for practically nothing.
Maric and Chapman made an immediate and undeniable impact on our fortunes. That can't be questioned. Are they faultless - no but they play their roles extremely well.
Knights, Petterd, A Edwards, Stephenson all add maturity and depth. They play a role, create competition for spots and give us the depth we struggled for for years. They are not the future but that are important pieces to the overall puzzle.
Hartley has done an amazing job with these mature recruits. I feel you are asking for far too much if you want anything other than role/depth players through free trade or for late draft picks.
Chapman
Petterd, Edw
Did Hartley recruit Grigg & Houli? How much did he have to do with the recruitment of Morris? And who the stuff is Chapman?
You are very angry on this forum lately Coach.....
How so, buddy? 3 very reasonable questions I would have thought. Who is Chapman? Is he predicting we're going to sign Paul?
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I can't say I've seen too much of Thomas but the knock seems to be his disposal (but is that just everyone parrotting the comment?). If his disposal is poor maybe he gets used as the ferret who gets the ball to Cotch et al?
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How so, buddy? 3 very reasonable questions I would have thought. Who is Chapman? Is he predicting we're going to sign Paul?
Sorry Coach. Autocorrect on the iPhone. I was referring to Chaplin.
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I can't say I've seen too much of Thomas but the knock seems to be his disposal (but is that just everyone parrotting the comment?). If his disposal is poor maybe he gets used as the ferret who gets the ball to Cotch et al?
Sides are smart enough to make the guy with poor disposal kick the ball more than he should.
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I wonder if we would pick up a player with shocking desposal given our priority for good ball users. Perhaps his kicking isn't as bad as speculated or perhaps they are looking at him just as a ball winning depth player?
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Matt Thomas, the reigning Magarey medalist, has met with Richmond and it is expected the hard running Victorian with join the Tigers for 2014 on a two-year deal.
Drafted from Sandringham in 2006 with pick No. 8 in the preseason draft, Thomas made 87 appearances for the Power. Thomas was courted by the Tigers during last year's trade period, however the Tigers did not want to trade with the Power for his services.
Since being delisted by the Power, he will stay on with Norwood in the SANFL if he does not get an official offer to advance his AFL career at Richmond or any other club.
Thomas, now 26 - is hopeful of rejoining Power teammate and close friend, Troy Chaplin.
Thomas demonstrated huge ability in the SANFL in 2013, playing up forward whilst also offering the ability to play a run-with role.
https://www.stuff.com/AFLSeasonAndOffSeasonNews
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Reckon he could be a good tagger?
We need one.
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Another tagger with suspect skills in the side. We already have Jacko Willy.
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Jacko don't tag, but. He just trots around being ginger and intelligent. I'm talking hard-nosed lockdown type.
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Has he got a history of that Willy or are we manufacturing him into that role?
I would rather find a back pocket to play on the mosquitoes like Betts, Rioli, Ballantyne etc like Morris does and move Morris into the midfield to do a clamp role on the games elite mids. I reckon Morris would excel and the team would be better for that.
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Hmm. Could work. Either way really, we need a lockdown tagger. Not sure if Tomas can tag. Just puttin it out there.
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Morris not good enough to run in the midfield
Robbing Peter to pay Paul in monopoly money
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Pretty shrewd acquisition just quietly, my mail is he s the best credentialed mature age recruit out there. For low cost their could be quite a reward, :shh
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Pretty shrewd acquisition just quietly, my mail is he s the best credentialed mature age recruit out there. For low cost their could be quite a reward, :shh
My mail is you mis used their in the wrong context
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people talking about well rounded players. what does that mean.
for me basically good all round skills that will stand up to afl level. good physical atrributes to play at afl level. lastly an ability to play a high standard footy weather that be afl or state league in other words stand out a little or do real well.
what ever happened to our mantra of no more poorly skilled players and poor decision makers.
to many of these blokes who lack basics and you cant even compete yet alone implement any sort of game plan. surely good footskills at this level or state level are a minimum requirement.
why was it okay to ignore blokes 2 or 3 yrs ago who cant kick but its okay now.
ah what the hell seems some just swallow the club line hook line and sinker no matter the history.
you want a well rounded player, theres on your own door step david mirra is one id rather give him a go anyday over thomas and yes even if given a go he may fail. but he ticks those basic boxes and regularly plays good footy one level down.
im going to ask for the 1000th time how many players who are deficient in basics can one side carry. we lack polish as it is and we want to add another who everyone knows lacks in basic skills for this level.
i have to ask why dont we learn the mistakes hit us in the face yet we repeat them.
can i ask one question who would people rather sam dwyer kyle martin or matt thomas. i know which two last yr ticked those basic boxes and i screamed we take em. i also know which one doesnt tick those boxes this yr. if your a mid and your slow, if your a mid and you only get the ball 15 times, if your a mid and you cant kick well then your going to buck nearly every trend there is to make it in the afl.
what soort of improvement can we expect or ability to over come these weakbesses can we expect from a 27 yo before the first ball is bounced next yr. my money is on very limited improvement.
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people talking about well rounded players. what does that mean.
for me basically good all round skills that will stand up to afl level. good physical atrributes to play at afl level. lastly an ability to play a high standard footy weather that be afl or state league in other words stand out a little or do real well.
what ever happened to our mantra of no more poorly skilled players and poor decision makers.
to many of these blokes who lack basics and you cant even compete yet alone implement any sort of game plan. surely good footskills at this level or state level are a minimum requirement.
why was it okay to ignore blokes 2 or 3 yrs ago who cant kick but its okay now.
ah what the hell seems some just swallow the club line hook line and sinker no matter the history.
you want a well rounded player, theres on your own door step david mirra is one id rather give him a go anyday over thomas and yes even if given a go he may fail. but he ticks those basic boxes and regularly plays good footy one level down.
im going to ask for the 1000th time how many players who are deficient in basics can one side carry. we lack polish as it is and we want to add another who everyone knows lacks in basic skills for this level.
i have to ask why dont we learn the mistakes hit us in the face yet we repeat them.
can i ask one question who would people rather sam dwyer kyle martin or matt thomas. i know which two last yr ticked those basic boxes and i screamed we take em. i also know which one doesnt tick those boxes this yr. if your a mid and your slow, if your a mid and you only get the ball 15 times, if your a mid and you cant kick well then your going to buck nearly every trend there is to make it in the afl.
what soort of improvement can we expect or ability to over come these weakbesses can we expect from a 27 yo before the first ball is bounced next yr. my money is on very limited improvement.
David Mirra? Kicks more high balls than Tucky or Grigg. Scott Sherlocks a better get than Mirra.
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Hmm. Could work. Either way really, we need a lockdown tagger. Not sure if Tomas can tag. Just puttin it out there.
Given what type he is, I'd say you're probably close to the mark.
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From the Power’s group of delisted players, Magarey Medallist Matt Thomas is expected to find a return to AFL football - and to his home in Victoria - through Richmond. As both a delisted player and free agent, Thomas can join the Tigers without hindrance from Alberton.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/port-adelaide-has-set-its-sights-on-richmond-tigers-free-agent-matt-white/story-fnfll94y-1226730302701#mm-breached
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Greg stuffing Thomas
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Thomas had 20 possies for Norwood in the SANFL Grand Final yesterday.
... delisted Port Adelaide midfielder Matt Thomas (20 disposals) did his chances of being picked up by another club no harm in winning plenty of hard balls in the packs.
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/redlegs-send-bassett-out-on-high/story-e6frfkp9-1226733837590
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Thomas had 20 possies for Norwood in the SANFL Grand Final yesterday.
... delisted Port Adelaide midfielder Matt Thomas (20 disposals) did his chances of being picked up by another club no harm in winning plenty of hard balls in the packs.
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/redlegs-send-bassett-out-on-high/story-e6frfkp9-1226733837590
Matt played well but the player that caught my eye was Matt Fuller. Hard at it HBF who kicks the ball unbelievably well, has very good pace and is only 23 years young. Watching him I see a lot of Brent Guerra being a left footer, strong bodied, etc. Well worth considering IMO.
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No mention of us being linked to Matt Thomas on the AFL website ....
Matt Thomas
Age: 26 Career games: 87
The tough onballer was a regular in the Port Adelaide side between 2010 and 2012, but managed only four senior games this year under new coach Ken Hinkley. However, he showed strong form at SANFL level, winning the Magarey Medal as the competition's best and fairest player. Would provide instant value to a club looking for a mature body in the midfield.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-30/looking-for-a-new-home
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Norf caught wind of our interest. Will be a Kanga by the end of the week. Bookmark it. :shh
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who Thomas or fuller?
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Norf caught wind of our interest. Will be a Kanga by the end of the week. Bookmark it. :shh
Yeah, I heard they were delisting Caddy to fit him in.
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who Thomas or fuller?
Thomas :lol
Norf caught wind of our interest. Will be a Kanga by the end of the week. Bookmark it. :shh
Yeah, I heard they were delisting Caddy to fit him in.
Smokey hammers home the alley oop. Beautiful assist from Tigs. :lol :lol
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what a shame :shh
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So do we have a spot left on the list for Thomas?
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No he's a spud
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No he's a spud
That doesn't answer my question.
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So do we have a spot left on the list for Thomas?
We have 3 picks in the national draft on nov 21
And 3 or 4 rookie spots available
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So do we have a spot left on the list for Thomas?
We have 3 picks in the national draft on nov 21
And 3 or 4 rookie spots available
Thanks WP, he might get rookied then.
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So do we have a spot left on the list for Thomas?
We have 3 picks in the national draft on nov 21
And 3 or 4 rookie spots available
Thanks WP, he might get rookied then.
Yeah I suppose he's a chance for a rookie spot. Wouldn't rookie him myself but I do think we are more likely to take mature aged rookies than kids this year
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So do we have a spot left on the list for Thomas?
We have 3 main list and 3 rookie spots. So plenty of room if we want to throw a spot down the drain. :lol
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So do we have a spot left on the list for Thomas?
We have 3 main list and 3 rookie spots. So plenty of room if we want to throw a spot down the drain. :lol
I think we may end up with more than 3 rookie selections ;D
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Thomas pick 50 :clapping
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Hope Thomas doesn't turn out to be another Mitch Farmer.....
Were u playing know Mitch Riddell in the RDFL..... Please
GO U TIGERS
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Thomas to replace Lonergawn on the rookie list
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Thomas or a mav weller james magna type?
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Hope Thomas doesn't turn out to be another Mitch Farmer.....
More likely to be an Adam Thomson, traded from Port for pick 42 in the 2008 draft.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Thomson_(Australian_rules_footballer)
Even close names - Thomas and Thomson. :groucho
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Thomas pick 50 :clapping
Can sign as a delisted FA from tomorrow :shh
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Coach, as our resident Power expert, what are your thoughts on Thomas?
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I think I have posted about him somewhere in this thread my Slick Python. Very hard at it, lacks skill, good inside but doesn't get high stats. At best a depth player at a top 8 club, just like he was at Port this year. Port don't have a spot for him anymore and I don't think we should give him one either. Wouldn't be the worst player we've picked up but he'd be a whipping boy. Surprised Melbourne haven't offered him a 4 year deal. ;D
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Let's just say that young FF that's always injured wasn't the biggest butcher on Port's list. Ironic that we've just rid ourselves of slammin' Sammy Lonergan who only took up a rookie spot and could now give a main list spot to a bloke who's arguably even worse.
If we must take a DFA then I would've preferred we grabbed Laidler - too late now though as the Swans have just swooped on him.
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I think I have posted about him somewhere in this thread my Slick Python. Very hard at it, lacks skill, good inside but doesn't get high stats. At best a depth player at a top 8 club, just like he was at Port this year. Port don't have a spot for him anymore and I don't think we should give him one either. Wouldn't be the worst player we've picked up but he'd be a whipping boy. Surprised Melbourne haven't offered him a 4 year deal. ;D
Ah yes, i do remember you giving a similar assessment earlier on. Cheers, fella. Doesn't sound like Thommo's worth the trouble.
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I think I have posted about him somewhere in this thread my Slick Python. Very hard at it, lacks skill, good inside but doesn't get high stats. At best a depth player at a top 8 club, just like he was at Port this year. Port don't have a spot for him anymore and I don't think we should give him one either. Wouldn't be the worst player we've picked up but he'd be a whipping boy. Surprised Melbourne haven't offered him a 4 year deal. ;D
I still think we need a decent tagger at the club, could he potentially do that roll?
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I think I have posted about him somewhere in this thread my Slick Python. Very hard at it, lacks skill, good inside but doesn't get high stats. At best a depth player at a top 8 club, just like he was at Port this year. Port don't have a spot for him anymore and I don't think we should give him one either. Wouldn't be the worst player we've picked up but he'd be a whipping boy. Surprised Melbourne haven't offered him a 4 year deal. ;D
I still think we need a decent tagger at the club, could he potentially do that roll?
Yeah I broached this earlier. Might be his best bet and something that the club has in mind.
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hope not, would prefer an onball brigade that can get and use the ball themselves but are accountable, rather than some hack who scrags the opposition down to their level.
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Didn't seem to hurt Freo with Crowley this year...
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perhaps, but hawthorn got by pretty good without a crowley type
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whos the 2nd best tagger?
crowley is unique
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whos the 2nd best tagger?
crowley is unique
Curnow does well against us :scream.
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If we pick him up when would we find out
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whos the 2nd best tagger?
crowley is unique
Someone in our side that can keep the likes of Swan or Pendlebery to low numbers would make it a lot easier to beat Collingwood. That would be unique!
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would much prefer someone who can reduce their output, but then hurt them the other way.
crowley is unique
True. which is why it is a pipe dream expecting a hack like thomas to do what he does.
Crowly is that good at what he does, that I would have him in the side, but generally i would prefer accountable midfielders that can have a positive impact rather than just try to negate.
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Didn't seem to hurt Freo with Crowley this year...
Crowley is a rare beast that can tag but also win the lion's share of his won ball. He gets as much possession as a pure mid and there is really no-one in the comp who comes close to his ability as both. I'm with Al, get a midfield full of good players and make it impossible to tag them all out. Having a pure tagger in the team just reduces the effectiveness of your 22 and hands some control over to the opposition.
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Didn't seem to hurt Freo with Crowley this year...
Crowley is a rare beast that can tag but also win the lion's share of his won ball. He gets as much possession as a pure mid and there is really no-one in the comp who comes close to his ability as both. I'm with Al, get a midfield full of good players and make it impossible to tag them all out. Having a pure tagger in the team just reduces the effectiveness of your 22 and hands some control over to the opposition.
He averaged 7 kicks and 7 handballs this year. Hardly as much possessions as a pure mid.
But let me guess, you'll have some really good excuse for your ridiculous comment? :thumbsup
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Didn't seem to hurt Freo with Crowley this year...
Crowley is a rare beast that can tag but also win the lion's share of his won ball. He gets as much possession as a pure mid and there is really no-one in the comp who comes close to his ability as both. I'm with Al, get a midfield full of good players and make it impossible to tag them all out. Having a pure tagger in the team just reduces the effectiveness of your 22 and hands some control over to the opposition.
He averaged 7 kicks and 7 handballs this year. Hardly as much possessions as a pure mid.
But let me guess, you'll have some really good excuse for your ridicules comment? :thumbsup
What comment did I make to ridicule anyone? :huh
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Didn't seem to hurt Freo with Crowley this year...
Crowley is a rare beast that can tag but also win the lion's share of his won ball. He gets as much possession as a pure mid and there is really no-one in the comp who comes close to his ability as both. I'm with Al, get a midfield full of good players and make it impossible to tag them all out. Having a pure tagger in the team just reduces the effectiveness of your 22 and hands some control over to the opposition.
He averaged 7 kicks and 7 handballs this year. Hardly as much possessions as a pure mid.
But let me guess, you'll have some really good excuse for your ridicules comment? :thumbsup
Yeah, those figures surprise me a bit, I would have thought he got more than that. Just goes to show how much impact he has when he gets the ball I suppose because imho he is very effective as a midfielder in his own right.
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Still plenty of room in the game for quality taggers, even if they arent offensive weapons. They just need to be able to win a hard ball when its their turn, which im sure Thomas is capable of. Thats not to say that he'l necessarily be a good tagger though.
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Didn't seem to hurt Freo with Crowley this year...
Crowley is a rare beast that can tag but also win the lion's share of his won ball. He gets as much possession as a pure mid and there is really no-one in the comp who comes close to his ability as both. I'm with Al, get a midfield full of good players and make it impossible to tag them all out. Having a pure tagger in the team just reduces the effectiveness of your 22 and hands some control over to the opposition.
He averaged 7 kicks and 7 handballs this year. Hardly as much possessions as a pure mid.
But let me guess, you'll have some really good excuse for your ridicules comment? :thumbsup
Yeah, those figures surprise me a bit, I would have thought he got more than that. Just goes to show how much impact he has when he gets the ball I suppose because imho he is very effective as a midfielder in his own right.
Don't you hate it when you try and bait someone and you stuff the word up. Idiot!! :cheers
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Didn't seem to hurt Freo with Crowley this year...
Crowley is a rare beast that can tag but also win the lion's share of his won ball. He gets as much possession as a pure mid and there is really no-one in the comp who comes close to his ability as both. I'm with Al, get a midfield full of good players and make it impossible to tag them all out. Having a pure tagger in the team just reduces the effectiveness of your 22 and hands some control over to the opposition.
He averaged 7 kicks and 7 handballs this year. Hardly as much possessions as a pure mid.
But let me guess, you'll have some really good excuse for your ridicules comment? :thumbsup
Yeah, those figures surprise me a bit, I would have thought he got more than that. Just goes to show how much impact he has when he gets the ball I suppose because imho he is very effective as a midfielder in his own right.
Don't you hate it when you try and bait someone and you stuff the word up. Idiot!! :cheers
Which word did he eff up?
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Didn't seem to hurt Freo with Crowley this year...
Crowley is a rare beast that can tag but also win the lion's share of his won ball. He gets as much possession as a pure mid and there is really no-one in the comp who comes close to his ability as both. I'm with Al, get a midfield full of good players and make it impossible to tag them all out. Having a pure tagger in the team just reduces the effectiveness of your 22 and hands some control over to the opposition.
He averaged 7 kicks and 7 handballs this year. Hardly as much possessions as a pure mid.
But let me guess, you'll have some really good excuse for your ridicules comment? :thumbsup
Yeah, those figures surprise me a bit, I would have thought he got more than that. Just goes to show how much impact he has when he gets the ball I suppose because imho he is very effective as a midfielder in his own right.
Don't you hate it when you try and bait someone and you stuff the word up. Idiot!! :cheers
Which word did he eff up?
It's I that stuffed up. I'm the idiot I was talking about. :lol
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Didn't seem to hurt Freo with Crowley this year...
Crowley is a rare beast that can tag but also win the lion's share of his won ball. He gets as much possession as a pure mid and there is really no-one in the comp who comes close to his ability as both. I'm with Al, get a midfield full of good players and make it impossible to tag them all out. Having a pure tagger in the team just reduces the effectiveness of your 22 and hands some control over to the opposition.
He averaged 7 kicks and 7 handballs this year. Hardly as much possessions as a pure mid.
But let me guess, you'll have some really good excuse for your ridicules comment? :thumbsup
Yeah, those figures surprise me a bit, I would have thought he got more than that. Just goes to show how much impact he has when he gets the ball I suppose because imho he is very effective as a midfielder in his own right.
Don't you hate it when you try and bait someone and you stuff the word up. Idiot!! :cheers
Which word did he eff up?
It's I that stuffed up. I'm the idiot I was talking about. :lol
OK, sorry, I really must start reading your posts.
:lol
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Matty is probably good enough to be a decent depth player at a bottom 8 club. Sort of like he was at Port for the last 5 years. We're a top 8 club now and we can do better. Does give it a red hot crack though this lad
Serious question Coach: would he be an upgrade on Lonergan as depth?
was just looking thru the thread and saw this.
who would be an upgrade on lonergan. simple answer is just about any decent state league player who has a bit of pace finds inside ball is a decent size and can actually kick. sheesh kicking the most fundamental skill in our game and most important and we continue to look at blokes who cant do it.
there are so many players on afl lists who quite frankly are not deserving to be there. and all this while many blokes with far better attributes rot away without ever geeting a chance.
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From twitter:
@kristianpisano - "Walked past Punt Road this morning and looks like former Port Adelaide player Matt Thomas is training with the Tigers."
@BrettAndersonIF - "Blair Hartley is a big fan!"
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Love it when you post OE.... :thumbsup..You always have something worth while reading!!!
Be interesting then, we seem to have a few discards with us at the moment, a few rookie spots left!!
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From twitter:
@kristianpisano - "Walked past Punt Road this morning and looks like former Port Adelaide player Matt Thomas is training with the Tigers."
@BrettAndersonIF - "Blair Hartley is a big fan!"
oh come now oe. ive been told on this site by posters we have no interest what so ever :o :o :o
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From twitter:
@kristianpisano - "Walked past Punt Road this morning and looks like former Port Adelaide player Matt Thomas is training with the Tigers."
@BrettAndersonIF - "Blair Hartley is a big fan!"
oh come now oe. ive been told on this site by posters we have no interest what so ever :o :o :o
No interest on the main list maybe but he's a lock for a rookie position ;)
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From twitter:
@kristianpisano - "Walked past Punt Road this morning and looks like former Port Adelaide player Matt Thomas is training with the Tigers."
@BrettAndersonIF - "Blair Hartley is a big fan!"
oh come now oe. ive been told on this site by posters we have no interest what so ever :o :o :o
No interest on the main list maybe but he's a lock for a rookie position ;)
Correct. And we had no interest till Lonergan retired. Still would rather play a man down. :whistle
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From twitter:
@kristianpisano - "Walked past Punt Road this morning and looks like former Port Adelaide player Matt Thomas is training with the Tigers."
@BrettAndersonIF - "Blair Hartley is a big fan!"
oh come now oe. ive been told on this site by posters we have no interest what so ever :o :o :o
No interest on the main list maybe but he's a lock for a rookie position ;)
Correct. And we had no interest till Lonergan retired. Still would rather play a man down. :whistle
No, no we need him!
Anything less than a top 4 finish for our standalone VFL side will be unacceptable, we need experienced players to ensure it happens, Thomas fills that need ;D
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Get him as a vfl listed player then :banghead
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Get him as a vfl listed player then :banghead
far too much common sense there.
let me get this straight. our depth and quality is that good that we dont need to draft at every single opportunity potential afl standard players. nope we can afford to take below standard players just to look after our vfl side.
ive never heard so much bunkum in my life. every single pick should be an attempt to find a AFL standard player weather its a kid a mature player a nd pick or a rookie pick.
if its already been decided thomas at age 26 cannot add to our senior team or improve it why take him at all.
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Hopefully those stupid dees will see that he's training with the mighty Richmond and pounce
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Pass on anyone who averages almost twice as many handballs to kicks. A clear sign of a footballer who is a dodgy kick as he uses his hands more to cover his lack of faith in his own kicking. Adam Thomson mark II.
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=1665
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Doesn't that show that he plays within his limitations?
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we all know what happens when OE becomes MT and stops posting articles and starts with his opinions...
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probably
And there have been a few players who average more handballs than kicks who were great players
It's not the ratio that's important but how the skill is executed IMHO
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From twitter:
@kristianpisano - "Walked past Punt Road this morning and looks like former Port Adelaide player Matt Thomas is training with the Tigers."
@BrettAndersonIF - "Blair Hartley is a big fan!"
oh come now oe. ive been told on this site by posters we have no interest what so ever :o :o :o
No interest on the main list maybe but he's a lock for a rookie position ;)
Correct. And we had no interest till Lonergan retired. Still would rather play a man down. :whistle
sad isnt it, lonergan actually retires other wise we were going to keep him :o :o. thats what your saying isnt it. if lonergan does not retire we would have kept him and not bothered with thomas.
surely we learn from our mistakes but it seems not::; one poorly skilled battler goes and we endevour to replace him with a bigger clone. the actual stupidity is scary.the more things change the more they stay the same it seems.
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The difference being that we played finals this year
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I don't mind Thomas as an extractor or even Travis Tuck , but only as rookies though
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From twitter:
@kristianpisano - "Walked past Punt Road this morning and looks like former Port Adelaide player Matt Thomas is training with the Tigers."
@BrettAndersonIF - "Blair Hartley is a big fan!"
oh come now oe. ive been told on this site by posters we have no interest what so ever :o :o :o
No interest on the main list maybe but he's a lock for a rookie position ;)
Correct. And we had no interest till Lonergan retired. Still would rather play a man down. :whistle
sad isnt it, lonergan actually retires other wise we were going to keep him :o :o. thats what your saying isnt it. if lonergan does not retire we would have kept him and not bothered with thomas.
surely we learn from our mistakes but it seems not::; one poorly skilled battler goes and we endevour to replace him with a bigger clone. the actual stupidity is scary.the more things change the more they stay the same it seems.
Pretty much. My understanding was it wasn't a unanimous decision to keep Lonergan either. Not sure who gets the final call though? Blair, Fine Eyes, Richo?
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Welcome Matt :)
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Wait for it..... :shh :allears :lol
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thread title needs to be fixed
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Has a good inside game?
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Matt Thomas
(http://www.richmondfc.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Media/Galleries/Matches/2012/AFL%202012%20Rd%2023%20-%20Richmond%20v%20Port%20Adelaide/268854-tlsnewsportrait.jpg)
DOB: 27/2/87 (will be 27 by start of 2014 season)
HEIGHT: 186cm
WEIGHT: 87kg
POSITION: Midfielder
FORMER CLUB: Port Adelaide (87 games, 30 goals)
Richmond’s recruiters were buoyed by his season with Norwood in the SANFL, which saw him win the competition’s Best and Fairest Award, the Magarey Medal and play in the Redlegs’ premiership side.
Thomas made his AFL debut in 2006, ironically against Richmond, and has built a reputation as a tough midfielder, with a strong appetite for the contest.
He has averaged 15 disposals and five tackles per game over his league career to date, and has booted 30 goals.
Full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-11-27/2013-rookie-draft-pick-42-matt-thomas
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VIDEO HIGHLIGHTS:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-11-27/2013-rookie-draft-pick-42-matt-thomas
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Welcome Matt, good luck!!
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Greg :clapping
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Greg :clapping
Yessss :clapping
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So we have rookied the best player from the premiership team from arguably the second best competition in the land.
God help us all.
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This is a wet dream come true!!
Very shrewed by FJ, very Shrewed!
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Pinching myself so much I'm bleeding :shh
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Pinching myself so much I'm bleeding :shh
Ypu think your bleeding, I just got back from the Yabby farm ;)
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:lol this is a quality thread. :clapping
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So....we've basically replaced the abysmal Lonergan with a bloke that makes Lonergan look like pure silk. Top stuff.
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So....we've basically replaced the abysmal Lonergan with a bloke that makes Lonergan look like pure silk. Top stuff.
That's garbage. Thomas is better than Lonergan. Not by a lot, but he is. They breed them tough at Alberton ;D
Wouldn't have drafted Thommo myself but then again I don't have the wisdom our recruiters do. Reasonable depth I guess.
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matty is a far better player than lernergrn
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matty is a far better player than lernergrn
No he really isn't. Disposal is even worse and he's even more one-dimensional - though ironically, he and Lonergan have the one identical career highlight - they both single-handedly bullied the Carlton midfield off the park back in 2012, except Thomas didn't bust any collarbones.
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matty is a far better player than lernergrn
No he really isn't. Disposal is even worse and he's even more one-dimensional - ironically he & Lonergan have the one identical career highlight - they both single-handedly bullied the Carlton midfield of the park back in 2012, except Thomas didn't bust any collarbones.
That's horse sav
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yes he is
matty >>> sam
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Nope.
Slammin' Sammy > Thomas the Tank.
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Not sure about this selection. Would have preferred to go for a young untried footballer.
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I believe he is our last pick - therefore he is rated 43rd of 43.
Seems about right.
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Thomas better than lonergan. Not saying he's good but it's an upgrade.
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His form in the state league was exemplary, dominating the finals series after winning the Magarey he was possibly the stand out player outside of the afl. Pinching myself he slipped through, nice work tigers :clapping
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His form in the state league was exemplary, dominating the finals series after winning the Magarey he was possibly the stand out player outside of the afl. Pinching myself he slipped through, nice work tigers :clapping
Bo, you have been pinching yourself so much of late, you must be covered in bruises! ;D
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Just wait until Thomas runs out for his first pre-season game - you'll all be praying he's not required during the season proper.
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At least he's an upgrade on Lonergan
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At least he's an upgrade on Lonergan
Pfft ...hasn't even broken one Carlton collarbone....
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Pumped him up full of a0d/tb4/horse drugs and he will
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AUDIO: Matt Thomas interviewed on SEN by Anthony Maher and Tim Watson ....
http://soundcloud.com/sen1116
Summary
* Sad to see Port finish the way it did but I felt I still had a couple of years of good footy left and it's great to get to Richmond.
* Richmond are ultra-professional. The facilities are just fantastic - first-class! Port had great facilities too but Richmond’s are that next level and really impressive. The field’s even been redone and resurfaced and it’s those little things that make a huge difference. The people have been really welcoming, too. They’re just such a great club, really professional and they bend over backwards to help you out. So it’s really nice to be a part of that group. I’m really excited to go down to the Tigers and I’m looking forward to hopefully playing some good footy.
* Happy with any position; it doesn’t really bother me. I’m just happy to be a part of the team and get the chance to play some more footy and see where it can go.
* There’s going to be a bit of midfield, a bit of half-forward and probably there might be a bit of bash-and-crash at times which is the type of footy I like to play. So hopefully there’s a role in there for me. With the likes of the midfielders they’ve already got and the excellent runners it’ll just be nice to be able to slot in there somewhere and try and help them out and give the ball to Cotch and Lids. I’m sure they’ll do something nice with it. So it will be nice.
* Dimma has been really positive and was one of the key influences to move. It wasn't easy as I've had to leave my girlfriend in Adelaide for a year as she is doing a course in paedietry. Dimma is helping with finding placements for her in Melbourne. We'll move her over next year. Dimma and I had a great chat along Punt Rd which was chockers; I haven't seen traffic like that for 8 years.
* Watson told Thomas to tell Dimma that it's not a good look jogging along way behind the players (laughs). Choco use to do that at Port so Dimma must have got it off him.
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Sound like he is speaking as if he is already in the team, cant we only play Rookies as a rule for injured players long term?? What are the rules again??
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Sound like he is speaking as if he is already in the team, cant we only play Rookies as a rule for injured players long term?? What are the rules again??
Can raise 1 pre-season (or is it two now that we only have 38 on the senior list?), 1 for each long term injury, and 1 mid season.
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He ll get every chance early on with arnot to snaffle tuckys posi
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Tuck didn't have a position more times than not
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Sound like he is speaking as if he is already in the team, cant we only play Rookies as a rule for injured players long term?? What are the rules again??
Can raise 1 pre-season (or is it two now that we only have 38 on the senior list?), 1 for each long term injury, and 1 mid season.
So one or two may get elevated if they show something pre season, well it should be on then between the lot of em... :clapping
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One hard nut!
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Richmond midfielder Matt Thomas set to join senior list for upcoming battle with Gary Ablett
Herald-Sun
March 09, 2014 9:00PM
DAMIEN Hardwick will attempt the impossible — stopping Gary Ablett — by pitting his “human wrecking ball” against the reigning Brownlow Medallist.
Former Port Adelaide midfielder Matt Thomas will be central to Richmond’s plans as they take on the Gold Coast at Metricon Stadium on Saturday night.
It will be another amazing chapter for the 26-year-old rugged midfielder, who will be elevated from the rookie list on Tuesday.
The Tigers tried to get him in late 2012 but failed, with Thomas delisted by the Power last September then the following day winning the SANFL’s Magarey Medal.
Hardwick admits the Tigers will need to rotate as many as three players through Ablett, with the club’s best stopper in Jack Dyer Medallist Daniel Jackson (hip/groin) not ready for Round 1.
The Tigers said yesterday Tyrone Vickery (hamstring/back) and Trent Cotchin (corked calf) both pulled up well despite being subbed from the Essendon game.
On Friday Hardwick stopped himself halfway through reeling off the long list of Suns emerging midfielders, such is their potential.
But there is no doubt Thomas, who legally ironed out Essendon’s Dyson Heppell during the Punt Road practice match, is a contender.
“Is anyone capable of that role, stopping little Gaz?’’ Hardwick said.
“I think like most sides you have to rotate three guys through Gary, he’s such a capable player and will get his 25 to 30 (touches) anyway.
“It is quite amazing really, that a player of his calibre seems to improving season on and season on. He is meant to be going the other way but he seems to be getting better.”
Thomas will be elevated but Anthony Miles, Orren Stephensen and even Todd Banfield, impressive in the second half against Essendon, will fight for the one remaining rookie elevation.
“Yeah, (Thomas is) doing everything right. He is playing incredibly well at the moment. He had ten tackles and 25 touches and he’s a bit like a human wrecking ball, which is good to see,” Hardwick said.
Second-year small defender Matt McDonough, switched down back by Hardwick last year, will play only his second game after a Round 21 debut against Carlton last year.
The Tigers finally take on the Suns on the Gold Coast after a series of nailbiting Cairns clashes, with Hardwick in no doubt about the Sun’s midfield depth.
“They are good, you only have to look at (Dion) Prestia’s season last year, (Michael) Rischitelli is very underrated, O’Meara. I have got to stop talking about them. They are going to be a very good side, I just hope it’s not against us in Round 1.
Ablett missed the club’s last hit-out against Collingwood with a burnt hand, but will take his spot in the side.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-midfielder-matt-thomas-set-to-join-senior-list-for-upcoming-battle-with-gary-ablett/story-fndv8t7m-1226849573763
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Will destroy the christian
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Mature-aged rookie Matt Thomas set to debut for Richmond
Jake Niall and Michael Gleeson
The Age
March 10, 2014
Mature-aged recruit Matt Thomas is almost assured of joining former Blue Shaun Hampson in making his debut for Richmond in the round-one clash on the Gold Coast on Saturday night.
The Tigers plan to promote Thomas from the rookie list early this week, suggesting the former Port Adelaide midfielder is likely to be included.
Thomas, 27, played just four games for the Power last year but won the Magarey Medal for best and fairest in the SANFL.
"We would expect [because he has done very well in the pre-season] to promote him from the rookie list," football operations manager Daniel Richardson said on Sunday.
The other vacancy on the Tigers' list for a rookie is between ruckman Orren Stephenson and former Giant Anthony Miles, who managed only 10 games in two seasons.
Stephenson may be selected as, due to a long-term injury to first ruck Ivan Maric, the Tigers have only one recognised ruckman, Shaun Hampson. They would prefer to play Ty Vickery almost exclusively in attack.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/matureaged-rookie-matt-thomas-set-to-debut-for-richmond-20140309-34fif.html
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:clapping.....very good!!
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Good on him. He's earnt it and been better than I expected.
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Let's hope he comes through with the goods, Francis has been on the money on most occasions.....
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Let's hope he comes through with the goods, Francis has been on the money on most occasions.....
Coming from Port, I'm pretty sure Hartley and Hardwick had more input on getting him over then Frances.
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Big Greg Thomo yessss :clapping
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francis would have had SFA to do with it. he looks after the kids and hartly looks after the opposition players.
and yeah, from one of those fan sessions, hardwick does have an input in regards to players from opposition clubs, but very little in regards to kids, which makes sense.
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Big Greg Thomo yessss :clapping
Yyyyyyeeessssssssss!!
Matt White's bro!!!!!!!!!
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Big Greg Thomo yessss :clapping
Yyyyyyeeessssssssss!!
Matt White's bro!!!!!!!!!
Greg White FFS
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Big Greg Thomo yessss :clapping
Yyyyyyeeessssssssss!!
Matt White's bro!!!!!!!!!
Greg White FFS
Sorry……………………………………. :help
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Don't apologise to me. It's Greg's dad that will get upset ;D
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Don't apologise to me. It's Greg's dad that will get upset ;D
:lol :lol I see what you did there. :clapping
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4. Thomas gives Tigers some grunt
Matt Thomas found himself surplus to requirements in Port Adelaide’s embarrassment of riches in midfield last year, but should add much-needed toughness to Richmond. Picked up as a mature-age rookie after impressing with Norwood in the SANFL, he hit the ground running, leading the team with 10 clearances, as well as accruing 29 touches and seven tackles.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-03-15/five-talking-points-gold-coast-v-richmond
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Credit where it's due, was one of our best.....probably the best attacking game he's ever played at this level....was surprised by the previously undemonstrated evasive skills....let's hope he can keep it up....or next match against Carlton at least replicate his last match against Carlton.....
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He surprised me last night, tough little nut
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Loved his tackle on Ablett that led to us scoring.
One of our few good players.
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Hasn't played a lot of AFL level footy the past couple years so might even have a little upside still while he re adjusts.
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Yeah great game doing the job he was set to do in ablett
Will provide nothing in terms of our top 4 aspiration
He will help us to get to lower part of the 8, that's about it
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deledio cotchin and ablett all went on ablett at stages and went head to head
cant say thomas didnt play well he cotch and deledio were our only 3 out there last night
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had a good game gotta give credit where its due.
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had a good game gotta give credit where its due.
It's OK plenty of other fodder this week
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lol
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had a good game gotta give credit where its due.
:clapping
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Thing that bothers me is Richmond always do too much talking prior to games, As who is going to man up Ablett & bla bla.
A bloke like Ablett would love that kind of talk & give him all the time in the world to study his opponent weeks prior to the game & watch where his weakness are. Being a delisted player he would have many weak area's to his game but all credit is given l thought when Thomas was on Ablett he did well. Ablett was nailed many times during the game by some heavy knocks but the best footballer l ever seen has no weakness in any part of his game or body. :bow
CLAM UP RFC :banghead
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had a good game gotta give credit where its due.
:thumbsup
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Good game by Matt Thomas, will be a great addition to the team.
I wish some of his team mates had played with the same endeavor last night....we would of won by plenty.
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Got the hard ball, stood up in some tackles, played some body-on-body.
FFS that's half the requirement right there...
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Got the hard ball, stood up in some tackles, played some body-on-body.
FFS that's half the requirement right there...
Agree.
New team and a bigger excuse for anxiety than soft stalwarts like conca and co.
Well done Matt.
Some folks are never happy.
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Not gunna cut it
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Not gunna cut it
Given the questionable quality of his 8-year AFL career, it's going to take a lot more than just one game to convince me too but you can't deny the performance on Saturday night.
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Hopefully just another late bloomer, a la Tuck/Jackson.
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Think he has been pretty good so far. Certainly no worse than what Tuck was providing last season. Good rookie selection.
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Think he has been pretty good so far. Certainly no worse than what Tuck was providing last season. Good rookie selection.
Just can't resist bagging Tuck. :bow
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The big difference with tuck is that tuck got a lot of his contested ball still on his feet and used his strength to stand up in tackles.....
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The big difference with tuck is that tuck got a lot of his contested ball still on his feet and used his strength to stand up in tackles.....
And kick goals from beyond 50
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Think some need to read my post again. Tucky was done last season.
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He handballs more than tuck , pretty constructive too, great compliment to cotch, lids and Martin did I say he can tackle too, 7 tackles in a game , set up an awesome passage of play with a crunching bone jarring tackle on ablett. He can play a bit this fella don't worry about that, :shh
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Thought he kept us in it early with his hardness and tackling. I really like what i've seen of him. We need more hard, big-bodied mids like him.
Very early days but looks like a good get.
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When you consider our hard tackling recruits lately in Grigg, Houli, Chaplain and Pettard this dude makes a welcome difference
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Love this bloke.
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Love this bloke.
Can't question his determination to get the ball and attack on the contest but gee his disposal as times is shocking
Sometimes you've got to know your limitations ;D
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11 tackles. Stood up in last quarter.
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In 2 games he has become our best pure inside mid!
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Some recruit.
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mixed feelings still
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mixed feelings still
Eleven tackles vs cotchin zero
Morris Newman Martin etc. one
Credit where due...
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for sure, thats why i have mixed feelings rather than just criticise him.
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not the future but he was important in the last 30 minutes last night and credit where credit is due.
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Best recruit so far this year. Two games in... ;D
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The fact he put up a contest and was desperate to win the hard ball gets my approval. I don't think he'll ever be as good as Tuck but every team needs a battering ram and at this point in time I'm thankful we have Thomas. When the biscuit is fit, I would love to have the 2 in the team around the stoppages.
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Thomas had 11 tackles and 25 pressure acts against the Blues on Thursday night.
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-03-31/thomas-the-tackling-machine
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:thumbsup :thumbsup
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dud. delist.
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dud. delist.
He is great at winning the ball but getting rid of it cleanly isn't a strength. Will be frustrating at times. We need to coach him up like a ruckman - if you get the ball try and quickly get it to a better ball user rather than kick it yourself.
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Been good so far but really, he should be praying the umps don't decide to crackdown on holding the ball. If they do he'll be back in the twos within a month.
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He has added the big body to the midfield that Tuck had given us.
Very important player as a pure inside mid with good hands. Kicking is poor if he goes for distance but is good for short passing.
Would think he is an automatic selection at this point. Good on him for turning things around.
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I agree he has more than held his own.
He loves the tackling aspect of the game and good on Thomas for that. Hard at it.
zero tackles by Cotchin was disappointing, also Cotchin's lack of blocking for Martin after he handballed it to him didnt look good either...
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Cotchin would've been well within his rights to simply just yell out to Martin and every other soft, lazy prick in our side "Welcome to my world!"
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always an excuse for the favorites isnt there.........?. :whistle
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Quality players who have delivered more often than not have at least earnt some credits. Particularly when those players are one of the main reasons a side was six goals up in a game in the first place.
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Pretty shrewd pick up by the tigers, simply a tackling machine this bloke , a great compliment to our silk cut midfield.
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Cotchin's lack of blocking for Martin after he handballed it to him didnt look good either...
Reckon that was more about having absolutely no idea where the man was and being taken by surprise as much as Martin was. Perhaps that is even more damning. Whatever the cause pretty poor football by supposedly two of our guns.
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Seems fitter than a lot of other players in the team. A testament to his hard work.
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Port fitness > rich? :whistle
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Port fitness > rich? :whistle
Thought crossed my mind too Bents.
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Cotchin's lack of blocking for Martin after he handballed it to him didnt look good either...
Reckon that was more about having absolutely no idea where the man was and being taken by surprise as much as Martin was. Perhaps that is even more damning. Whatever the cause pretty poor football by supposedly two of our guns.
I agree that it was pretty poor football by two of our better players. Especially from the Captain, it doesnt send a good message to the rest of the playing group.
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Hardwick helps revive Thomas’ career
richmondfc.com.au
April 4, 2014
“’Dimma’ has been really good. He just keeps it really simple for me, which is what I like,” Thomas said.
“He just really wants me to be a bit of an enforcer, and smash in, get the tackles, and protect my other teammates.
“That’s the role I’ll be playing this year.
Read more and the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-04-04/hardwick-helps-revive-thomas-career
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“He just really wants me to be a bit of an enforcer, and smash in, get the tackles, and protect my other teammates.
But whose going to crack in and protect our best mid? :shh :whistle
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“He just really wants me to be a bit of an enforcer, and smash in, get the tackles, and protect my other teammates.
But whose going to crack in and protect our best mid? :shh :whistle
Jackson will be back to give Thomo some support this week :clapping :whistle ;D
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“He just really wants me to be a bit of an enforcer, and smash in, get the tackles, and protect my other teammates.
But whose going to crack in and protect our best mid? :shh :whistle
Jackson will be back to give Thomo some support this week :clapping :whistle ;D
But then we need someone to protect our champion mid. :shh
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He is injured this game unfortunately
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Richmond recruit Matt Thomas reveals he could have gone to Carlton
Herald-Sun
April 04, 2014 7:00PM
RICHMOND “wrecking ball” Matt Thomas could have been a Carlton recruit, with the Blues one of four clubs to chase him last season.
Thomas has had a sensational start to his Tigers career after they recruited him 12 months after trying to lure him home in late 2012.
The 27-year-old will take on one of the star Western Bulldogs midfielders in Ryan Griffen or Tom Liberatore, after a best-afield performance against the Blues.
Thomas said the faith shown in him by coach Damien Hardwick and Tigers pro scout Blair Hartley got him to Punt Rd, but there were other suitors.
Thomas was delisted on a Monday in September, won the SANFL’s Magarey Medal the following day, and finally found his way to Richmond.
‘’I was delisted on the Monday and was obviously pretty disappointed because I had been at Port Adelaide so long, and then went to the Magarey Medal on the Tuesday with my fiancee Stacey and won. I was in disbelief. It was such an emotional roller-coaster I had been on.
“I was aware of Richmond’s interest. Blair had always shown interest and the season before they had asked if I would come over and Port wouldn’t let me go.
“There was a little bit of interest from Melbourne and Carlton and GWS. But none of it eventuated.
“My heart was with Richmond, given I was originally from Melbourne, and I was excited to be given the opportunity.”
The former Sandringham Dragon said the win over Carlton was everything he had hoped playing for a power club would be.
“I spoke to Chappy (Troy Chaplin) about it and he said you will get shivers up the back of your neck. Then the game was nice and close in the last quarter and you could really tell what it would be like to play in front of 80,000 fans.
“To sing the yellow and black in my first win was pretty awesome. I couldn’t see because I had Gatorade in my eyes and I had the taste of sugar all over me. It was a sweet victory in both senses.”
Hardwick has told him to keep his game simple, which he plans to do to keep his spot in the side.
“It’s just playing to your strengths,” Thomas said. “For me it’s contested footy and tackling and pressure. I leave the fancy kicks to guys like (Trent) Cotchin and (Dustin) Martin and the high marks to Jack (Riewoldt).
“The Dogs will give us a really fierce contest in the first quarter and they will try to get the lead early in the game, so we expect a really tough game.”
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-recruit-matt-thomas-reveals-he-could-have-gone-to-carlton/story-fndv8t7m-1226874941230
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Love Thomas.
Fierce.
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Wasn;t he last pick in the rookie draft? If those clubs wanted him they could have just taken him. Don't get a big head Matty. :whistle
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From Seychelles :o
:clapping
Phil Mrakov come on down
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Thomas is great, not the best disposer but he is a real dynamo. Is he our Tucky replacement?
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Best game for us yesterday. Showed a burst of speed in his first 2 steps he hasn't shown all year. Still prefer to give games to Miles as our clearance machine. Just much more upside.
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played 6 games so far. all bar one of those 6 have been pretty darn good. how do you put it. ah ys he gives us a presence in contests.
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makes a huge difference. prepared to get in & under a bit like Tuck type player who we sorely miss to protect the ball carriers
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We can still Play Miles and Thomas. No doubt about that IMO.
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We can still Play Miles and Thomas. No doubt about that IMO.
Maybe we should against the bombers....They usually kill us at the stoppages, especially Jab Watson.
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We can still Play Miles and Thomas. No doubt about that IMO.
Maybe we should against the bombers....They usually kill us at the stoppages, especially Jab Watson.
Add Foley to that and on paper we look a little stronger.
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Maybe we should against the bombers....They usually kill us at the stoppages, especially Jab Watson.
:ROTFL
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Thomas is great, not the best disposer but he is a real dynamo. Is he our Tucky replacement?
Not in a million years. Is a ball butcher. Yes he attacks the on test and the ball but struth he puts his teammates under pressure with his ordinary decision making and disposal
Best game for us yesterday. Showed a burst of speed in his first 2 steps he hasn't shown all year. Still prefer to give games to Miles as our clearance machine. Just much more upside.
I haven't watched the replay
But was at the game yesterday, yep he had 25 odd touches supposedly at 74% efficiency but had 5 clangers. Would love to know know they work out what clanger is
The number of times his disposal puts his teammates under pressure is staggering.
How he gets a games ahead of Miles baffles me. Miles is "miles" ahead of Thomas in so many areas it isn't funny
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I agree WP. I was at the game also and whilst Thomas was getting plenty of it, he put his team mates under pressure on too many occasions with bad decisions. Considering GWS was hardly applying any pressure for the whole day, it really does make you wonder.
I did like some of his one percenters though. Got in tough on Cotch's taggers regularly and shepherded well.
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Thomas is great, not the best disposer but he is a real dynamo. Is he our Tucky replacement?
Not in a million years. Is a ball butcher. Yes he attacks the on test and the ball but struth he puts his teammates under pressure with his ordinary decision making and disposal
Best game for us yesterday. Showed a burst of speed in his first 2 steps he hasn't shown all year. Still prefer to give games to Miles as our clearance machine. Just much more upside.
I haven't watched the replay
But was at the game yesterday, yep he had 25 odd touches supposedly at 74% efficiency but had 5 clangers. Would love to know know they work out what clanger is
The number of times his disposal puts his teammates under pressure is staggering.
How he gets a games ahead of Miles baffles me. Miles is "miles" ahead of Thomas in so many areas it isn't funny
Play them both....
Tucky wasn't a great kick either. Won us all over with his hard work. Don't let absence get in the way of our memories.
I'm not saying Thomas is the answer but we can use his hard work and toughness at the moment. Let him do some of the dirty work on the bottom of the packs instead of our more skilled players that can then work on the outside.
Footy at the moment is all about contested footy, especially against the very good sides, if you don't think Thomas is any good at that, then you are missing something. We need to get better and tougher around the footy. The good teams don't let us get on the outside like GWS did yesterday, making it easy for teams with bigger bodies that are willing to put them in at a massive advantage.
Play the hardnuts Dimma, the Houli's, Grigg's and Ellis' won't give a yelp when it gets tight!
Can only carry one of those blokes in the side at any one time the way footy is played now IMO.
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Love to see all the wide guys who bemoaned this guy coming in for Sammy Lloyd :lol...thomo is a machine at the contest. Chalks up winning contested ball like he s shelling peas. I look forward to when he passes the baton over to the next up and comer coz I'll know he must be a genuine GUN :shh
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Love to see all the wide guys who bemoaned this guy coming in for Sammy Lloyd :lol...thomo is a machine at the contest. Chalks up winning contested ball like he s shelling peas. I look forward to when he passes the baton over to the next up and comer coz I'll know he must be a genuine GUN :shh
That'll be the week after North destroy us and Miles finally comes in.
Enjoy it while it's here.
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Bo you're either completely stuffing delusional, a comedian or a troll. I suspect it's a combination of all three.
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Bo you're either completely stuffing delusional, a comedian or a troll. I suspect it's a combination of all three.
Been a member 32 years running fool, just a fan, what are you :shh
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Very ordinary disposal
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Watch the replay on foleys goal, in this case Thomas buttered up and dished out a deft handball,
Ooooh yeah but he butchers it.... :lol he played a splendid game
www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-05-24/round-10-foley-goals-on-the-run
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Not saying he can't handball Bo in fact he should always handball and never kick
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He always handballs 2/3 of the time. All I'm saying is at his point in time, he has a place in the side, miles should be in their too, not at Thomas expense though
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I'm not saying Thomas is the answer but we can use his hard work and toughness at the moment. Let him do some of the dirty work on the bottom of the packs instead of our more skilled players that can then work on the outside.
Footy at the moment is all about contested footy, especially against the very good sides, if you don't think Thomas is any good at that, then you are missing something. We need to get better and tougher around the footy. The good teams don't let us get on the outside like GWS did yesterday, making it easy for teams with bigger bodies that are willing to put them in at a massive advantage.
Play the hardnuts Dimma, the Houli's, Grigg's and Ellis' won't give a yelp when it gets tight!
Can only carry one of those blokes in the side at any one time the way footy is played now IMO.
It's not likely that he'll get the chance to play a game style that suits him - at the bottom of the packs.
Our coaching panel will soon give him a job as a tagger again to show up his lack of pace.
They'll give him the job on their fastest and most creative outside midfielder, likely to be Zaharakis, Heppel or Melksham.
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Would be happy if he could average these stats
22 handballs 10 tackles 1 kick 1 goal
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Thomas is great, not the best disposer but he is a real dynamo. Is he our Tucky replacement?
Not in a million years. Is a ball butcher. Yes he attacks the on test and the ball but struth he puts his teammates under pressure with his ordinary decision making and disposal
Best game for us yesterday. Showed a burst of speed in his first 2 steps he hasn't shown all year. Still prefer to give games to Miles as our clearance machine. Just much more upside.
I haven't watched the replay
But was at the game yesterday, yep he had 25 odd touches supposedly at 74% efficiency but had 5 clangers. Would love to know know they work out what clanger is
The number of times his disposal puts his teammates under pressure is staggering.
How he gets a games ahead of Miles baffles me. Miles is "miles" ahead of Thomas in so many areas it isn't funny
Play them both....
Tucky wasn't a great kick either. Won us all over with his hard work. Don't let absence get in the way of our memories.
I'm not saying Thomas is the answer but we can use his hard work and toughness at the moment. Let him do some of the dirty work on the bottom of the packs instead of our more skilled players that can then work on the outside.
Footy at the moment is all about contested footy, especially against the very good sides, if you don't think Thomas is any good at that, then you are missing something. We need to get better and tougher around the footy. The good teams don't let us get on the outside like GWS did yesterday, making it easy for teams with bigger bodies that are willing to put them in at a massive advantage.
Play the hardnuts Dimma, the Houli's, Grigg's and Ellis' won't give a yelp when it gets tight!
Can only carry one of those blokes in the side at any one time the way footy is played now IMO.
well said tone. if i was going to carry a player who has deficiencies it would be a thomas type. cracks in, wins plenty of ball, tackles hard and often, and works for his team mates.
sure the footskills leave a bit to be desired and hes a tad slow but imo atm what he brings to the team more than offsets the weaknesses. no coincidence we struggled enormously the previous 3 games with c/p and clearances with out his type.
play miles as well i can see no reason at all why both cant play in the team.
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28 possies 86% eff 13 contested, 10 tackles , 28 pressure acts, 8 score inv, fair days work that...but let's drop him ::)
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surely dropping him after Saturday would send the wrong message...
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28 possies 86% eff 13 contested, 10 tackles , 28 pressure acts, 8 score inv, fair days work that...but let's drop him ::)
I didn't say I wanted to drop him but as usual you make out that anything that happens at Punt Rd or on match day is so huge bigger than Ben Hur but anyway. That's just my mail. Whoa. :shh
Who cares the guy has poor disposal and is slow as treacle. Lets see the next few weeks. Hope he does well but hey I aint counting my chickens well not like you are. ;)
28 7 3 21 13 16 10 0 0 0.0 2 4 0 6
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-match-centre/afl-express-saturday-24-may-20140524-38v8a.html#ixzz32ipXDaWv
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28 possies 86% eff 13 contested, 10 tackles , 28 pressure acts, 8 score inv, fair days work that...but let's drop him ::)
No don't drop him half a side need to go before him
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28 possies 86% eff 13 contested, 10 tackles , 28 pressure acts, 8 score inv, fair days work that...but let's drop him ::)
If they are his stats, they are elite.
Not as bad as most make out.
10 blokes go before him.
Fantastic effort on Saturday.
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28 possies 86% eff 13 contested, 10 tackles , 28 pressure acts, 8 score inv, fair days work that...but let's drop him ::)
If they are his stats, they are elite.
Not as bad as most make out.
10 blokes go before him.
Fantastic effort on Saturday.
Ty , I thought same , sam Lloyd would need to be peter daicos to take his spot, and that he ain't
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28 possies 86% eff 13 contested, 10 tackles , 28 pressure acts, 8 score inv, fair days work that...but let's drop him ::)
If they are his stats, they are elite.
Not as bad as most make out.
10 blokes go before him.
Fantastic effort on Saturday.
Ty , I thought same , sam Lloyd would need to be peter daicos to take his spot, and that he ain't
Ones a midfielder and one's a forward.
Therefore Lloyd would have more chance of being Daicos than Thomas but hey. ;D
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Nothing but a spare parts player and a hard nut.if we want to move forward and play finals can't carry players like this.
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We re not carrying him partner, we haven't got anyone better , would be nice if we did
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Nothing but a spare parts player and a hard nut.if we want to move forward and play finals can't carry players like this.
Well I would rather carry him than some other nancy boys (grigg esp) Fair dinkum, we ain't carrying him he brings plenty to the table
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Agreed
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In fact he carries the rest of our princess midfield who don't like to get their shins muddy (bar Cotch).
Those two are the only ones who can be relied upon to win contested ball consistantly. Needs to be replaced eventually but clearly deserves his spot for now.
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Miles has been better all year and rather him.Helbig has been in the bests last two games I would rather them anyday of the week.We a going no places playing players like him.
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Miles has been better all year and rather him.Helbig has been in the bests last two games I would rather them anyday of the week.We a going no places playing players like him.
Mate, have you seen Helbig play, yes he gets it but his disposal & decision making is worse than MTs
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Unfortunately Helbig was average against Werribee. His first quarter was okay but the rest of the game he was average at best. Turned over the ball abit. Really want him to succeed but needs to lift.
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He has added the big body to the midfield that Tuck had given us.
Very important player as a pure inside mid with good hands. Kicking is poor if he goes for distance but is good for short passing.
Would think he is an automatic selection at this point. Good on him for turning things around.
Tuckys kicking was pretty poor too
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Miles has been better all year and rather him.Helbig has been in the bests last two games I would rather them anyday of the week.We a going no places playing players like him.
Mate, have you seen Helbig play, yes he gets it but his disposal & decision making is worse than MTs
Still think miles or helbig would do far worse than griggster
And potentially more upside
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Dont think Helbig will make it. Arnot a 50/50 chance i reckon.
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whats griggs chances
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Dont think Helbig will make it. Arnot a 50/50 chance i reckon.
I think you are right on the money. Can see both not making it past this year.
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I feel Thomas is in the side at the expense of Arnot. Arnot is equally as fierce in the contest as well. The upside is at 20 years of age he has a lot to develop into a very important 2nd tier midfielder.
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Dont think Helbig will make it. Arnot a 50/50 chance i reckon.
I think you are right on the money. Can see both not making it past this year.
Helbig's rubbish. Will be an absolute disgrace if Arnot's delisted.
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In fact he carries the rest of our princess midfield who don't like to get their shins muddy (bar Cotch).
Those two are the only ones who can be relied upon to win contested ball consistantly. Needs to be replaced eventually but clearly deserves his spot for now.
Willy gets it
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Thomas is great, not the best disposer but he is a real dynamo. Is he our Tucky replacement?
Not in a million years. Is a ball butcher. Yes he attacks the on test and the ball but struth he puts his teammates under pressure with his ordinary decision making and disposal
Best game for us yesterday. Showed a burst of speed in his first 2 steps he hasn't shown all year. Still prefer to give games to Miles as our clearance machine. Just much more upside.
I haven't watched the replay
But was at the game yesterday, yep he had 25 odd touches supposedly at 74% efficiency but had 5 clangers. Would love to know know they work out what clanger is
The number of times his disposal puts his teammates under pressure is staggering.
How he gets a games ahead of Miles baffles me. Miles is "miles" ahead of Thomas in so many areas it isn't funny
Have you had a chance to watch the game on TV yet WP?
If so was it as bad as you first thought?
I watched it again to see if I had missed something the first time and i definitely didn't. Played a fantastic game IMO.
I too am baffled that Miles didn't get a game, but Thomas deserves his spot.
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In fact he carries the rest of our princess midfield who don't like to get their shins muddy (bar Cotch).
Those two are the only ones who can be relied upon to win contested ball consistantly. Needs to be replaced eventually but clearly deserves his spot for now.
Willy gets it
So does the opposition after a Thomas disposal.
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Have you had a chance to watch the game on TV yet WP?
If so was it as bad as you first thought?
I watched it again to see if I had missed something the first time and i definitely didn't. Played a fantastic game IMO.
I too am baffled that Miles didn't get a game, but Thomas deserves his spot.
Yep finished watching it today while home sick
Thought his 2nd half was a lot better than his first. But stand by my thoughts about him being a ball butcher. The number of times his handballs put his teammates under pressure especially in the first half was poor at best.
Have said it about him before but he needs to play within his limitations. Tries to do too much when he needs to take the first option.
Will keep his spot this week but I'd still rather see a younger bloke get a game ahead of him. Just looking to e future
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Have you had a chance to watch the game on TV yet WP?
If so was it as bad as you first thought?
I watched it again to see if I had missed something the first time and i definitely didn't. Played a fantastic game IMO.
I too am baffled that Miles didn't get a game, but Thomas deserves his spot.
Yep finished watching it today while home sick
Thought his 2nd half was a lot better than his first. But stand by my thoughts about him being a ball butcher. The number of times his handballs put his teammates under pressure especially in the first half was poor at best.
Have said it about him before but he needs to play within his limitations. Tries to do too much when he needs to take the first option.
Will keep his spot this week but I'd still rather see a younger bloke get a game ahead of him. Just looking to e future
His first quarter was excellent on the weekend. Not really sure what you expect from a guy we elevated from the rookie list? We all know he is not Chris Judd.
86% says his efficiency wasn't bad either. His job is to get the footy out remember, not to make sure his teammates are in the right spot.
I just think with such soft players for so long it's nice to have a bloke really hard at it and going 100%.
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Have you had a chance to watch the game on TV yet WP?
If so was it as bad as you first thought?
I watched it again to see if I had missed something the first time and i definitely didn't. Played a fantastic game IMO.
I too am baffled that Miles didn't get a game, but Thomas deserves his spot.
Yep finished watching it today while home sick
Thought his 2nd half was a lot better than his first. But stand by my thoughts about him being a ball butcher. The number of times his handballs put his teammates under pressure especially in the first half was poor at best.
Have said it about him before but he needs to play within his limitations. Tries to do too much when he needs to take the first option.
Will keep his spot this week but I'd still rather see a younger bloke get a game ahead of him. Just looking to e future
His first quarter was excellent on the weekend. Not really sure what you expect from a guy we elevated from the rookie list? We all know he is not Chris Judd.
86% says his efficiency wasn't bad either. His job is to get the footy out remember, not to make sure his teammates are in the right spot.
I just think with such soft players for so long it's nice to have a bloke really hard at it and going 100%.
Interesting, at the game I thought his first qtr was really poor, said it to the people I was at game with. Said at the time got plenty of it but his handballs to the wrong option was terrible. Gave him kudos though for his 2nd efforts. His job might be to get the ball but he job is also to hit a target by hand and his biggest problem IMV is takes one step to many instead of dishing off to the 1st option. If he has a teammate clear then he gives it off not take an extra couple of steps and giving off to someone surrounded by 2 players
Have to say yesterday after watching the replay my view didn't change if anything I ended up more critical (perhaps it was the flu drugs ;D)
I accept he is a rookie but once he takes the field he isn't a rookie he is a senior player of the RFC just like all the others.
Re: this 86% efficiency I've said it a couple of times would love to know what constitutes a "clanger" and what constitutes an efficient disposal because to me a disposal to a teammate under pressure that lands at his feet is not an efficient disposal but I also doubt it would be recorded as a clanger
Yes he is tough at it but we have kids on our list who are tough at it as well but they are not getting an opportunity to show us what they can do and for some of them they need to be given games ahead of this bloke (eg Arnott & Helbig). Why? because they are coming off contract and we need to see what they can do/offer to see whether they are worth keeping.
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Have you had a chance to watch the game on TV yet WP?
If so was it as bad as you first thought?
I watched it again to see if I had missed something the first time and i definitely didn't. Played a fantastic game IMO.
I too am baffled that Miles didn't get a game, but Thomas deserves his spot.
Yep finished watching it today while home sick
Thought his 2nd half was a lot better than his first. But stand by my thoughts about him being a ball butcher. The number of times his handballs put his teammates under pressure especially in the first half was poor at best.
Have said it about him before but he needs to play within his limitations. Tries to do too much when he needs to take the first option.
Will keep his spot this week but I'd still rather see a younger bloke get a game ahead of him. Just looking to e future
His first quarter was excellent on the weekend. Not really sure what you expect from a guy we elevated from the rookie list? We all know he is not Chris Judd.
86% says his efficiency wasn't bad either. His job is to get the footy out remember, not to make sure his teammates are in the right spot.
I just think with such soft players for so long it's nice to have a bloke really hard at it and going 100%.
Interesting, at the game I thought his first qtr was really poor, said it to the people I was at game with. Said at the time got plenty of it but his handballs to the wrong option was terrible. Gave him kudos though for his 2nd efforts. His job might be to get the ball but he job is also to hit a target by hand and his biggest problem IMV is takes one step to many instead of dishing off to the 1st option. If he has a teammate clear then he gives it off not take an extra couple of steps and giving off to someone surrounded by 2 players
Have to say yesterday after watching the replay my view didn't change if anything I ended up more critical (perhaps it was the flu drugs ;D)
I accept he is a rookie but once he takes the field he isn't a rookie he is a senior player of the RFC just like all the others.
Re: this 86% efficiency I've said it a couple of times would love to know what constitutes a "clanger" and what constitutes an efficient disposal because to me a disposal to a teammate under pressure that lands at his feet is not an efficient disposal but I also doubt it would be recorded as a clanger
Yes he is tough at it but we have kids on our list who are tough at it as well but they are not getting an opportunity to show us what they can do and for some of them they need to be given games ahead of this bloke (eg Arnott & Helbig). Why? because they are coming off contract and we need to see what they can do/offer to see whether they are worth keeping.
Its the try to get a win vs play Arnott or Helbig, In all reality the Gold Coast And GWS Draft scenario has really stuffed up the game, We should be targetting a lot of their guys who are not getting a game and who are better than what we have on our list eg Dom Tyson BUT I must say it is refreshing to see the verve Thomas plays with. Miles should also be getting a game as he is younger and has more upside. It must be tough for the selection panel as they know what a shocking stuff the club receives after every loss, so if we play em young and lose, play them old and lose is a no brainer = play young and lose, but when we select our best possible team with no chance of player development that is the conundrum they are faced with. I like Essendon playing young Daniher, sure he isn't ready but they are persevering and getting games into him, Derickx is actually going OK for Sydney and what are they doing? just playing him every week, he is working it out and really that is exactly what we should have done with him. We seem to be excellent at drafting players then stuff them around in the reserves until they lose all confidence.
Then there is the old v old scenario,
Should Foley be getting a game ahead of Thomas??
Should Newman even be getting a game?
We have been our own worst enemy hanging onto club favorites who really should be getting cycled out of the team.
We are showing loyalty to players ahead of loyalty to supporters.
Well there is a Richmond Rant for you!!
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Billy,
Did you notice the goals thomas set up with very creative and quick handballs when under immense pressure by releasing a team mate into space
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Billy,
Did you notice the goals thomas set up with very creative and quick handballs when under immense pressure by releasing a team mate into space
Yep, not disputing those but....
Also noticed the handballs to Cotchin (should have gone to I think it was Martin), Ellis, McDonough (to name 3) that put them under immense pressure and in the case of one of them (think it was Ellis) resulted in a terrible turnover for memory contributed to a GWS score.
It is those ones where he tries to do too much when the quick release was the first option that i have an issue with
That's why I say he should play to his limitations. ;D
And I will acknowledge I'm not a fan :thumbsup
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I suggest you cast that roving eye to cotch's disposal too and see what you deduce :shh
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Yeah we should try and trade Cotchin for another Matt Thomas type. Just hope there's a club out there that'll bite.
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Yeah we should try and trade Cotchin for another Matt Thomas type. Just hope there's a club out there that'll bite.
, what i say Is don't let a couple of lousy possessions cloud your judgement, dat would be plain ridiculous , no ::)
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Comparing Cotch to Thomas.
Close this thread. Enough in enough lol. :lol :rollin :lol
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Have you had a chance to watch the game on TV yet WP?
If so was it as bad as you first thought?
I watched it again to see if I had missed something the first time and i definitely didn't. Played a fantastic game IMO.
I too am baffled that Miles didn't get a game, but Thomas deserves his spot.
Yep finished watching it today while home sick
Thought his 2nd half was a lot better than his first. But stand by my thoughts about him being a ball butcher. The number of times his handballs put his teammates under pressure especially in the first half was poor at best.
Have said it about him before but he needs to play within his limitations. Tries to do too much when he needs to take the first option.
Will keep his spot this week but I'd still rather see a younger bloke get a game ahead of him. Just looking to e future
His first quarter was excellent on the weekend. Not really sure what you expect from a guy we elevated from the rookie list? We all know he is not Chris Judd.
86% says his efficiency wasn't bad either. His job is to get the footy out remember, not to make sure his teammates are in the right spot.
I just think with such soft players for so long it's nice to have a bloke really hard at it and going 100%.
Interesting, at the game I thought his first qtr was really poor, said it to the people I was at game with. Said at the time got plenty of it but his handballs to the wrong option was terrible. Gave him kudos though for his 2nd efforts. His job might be to get the ball but he job is also to hit a target by hand and his biggest problem IMV is takes one step to many instead of dishing off to the 1st option. If he has a teammate clear then he gives it off not take an extra couple of steps and giving off to someone surrounded by 2 players
Have to say yesterday after watching the replay my view didn't change if anything I ended up more critical (perhaps it was the flu drugs ;D)
I accept he is a rookie but once he takes the field he isn't a rookie he is a senior player of the RFC just like all the others.
Re: this 86% efficiency I've said it a couple of times would love to know what constitutes a "clanger" and what constitutes an efficient disposal because to me a disposal to a teammate under pressure that lands at his feet is not an efficient disposal but I also doubt it would be recorded as a clanger
Yes he is tough at it but we have kids on our list who are tough at it as well but they are not getting an opportunity to show us what they can do and for some of them they need to be given games ahead of this bloke (eg Arnott & Helbig). Why? because they are coming off contract and we need to see what they can do/offer to see whether they are worth keeping.
WP, no one with half a clue about footy could say he didn't have a great first quarter on the weekend.
Take another look mate, it's one thing to not rate the bloke, just like I hate Ellis but I can see when he does some good things.
Can anybody else with IQ that can watch it again and take real close notice of Thomas tell me if I'm wrong about Thomas' first quarter.
Not that it really matters but holy sh;7 WP, you are flat out wrong. :thumbsup
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WP, no one with half a clue about footy could say he didn't have a great first quarter on the weekend.
:nopeTake another look mate, it's one thing to not rate the bloke, just like I hate Ellis but I can see when he does some good things.
Can anybody else with IQ that can watch it again and take real close notice of Thomas tell me if I'm wrong about Thomas' first quarter.
Not that it really matters but holy sh;7 WP, you are flat out wrong. :thumbsup
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I am flat out wrong ;D
:nope
IMHO I am right :thumbsup
They're just opinions, we all have 'em :cheers
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WP, no one with half a clue about footy could say he didn't have a great first quarter on the weekend.
:nopeTake another look mate, it's one thing to not rate the bloke, just like I hate Ellis but I can see when he does some good things.
Can anybody else with IQ that can watch it again and take real close notice of Thomas tell me if I'm wrong about Thomas' first quarter.
Not that it really matters but holy sh;7 WP, you are flat out wrong. :thumbsup
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I am flat out wrong ;D
:nope
IMHO I am right :thumbsup
They're just opinions, we all have 'em :cheers
It doesn't mean an opinion cannot be wrong.
You might say "the sky is pink" it's your opinion but if it's the middle of the night the sky is black, your opinion is WRONG. :shh
Anyway my opinion is he played well in the first quarter, let's see what a few others think.
Also to start questioning the way the stats are taken to try and suit what you think you saw is a touch arrogant. Everyone gets judged on the same system and people with more football knowledge and experience than you work out the best way to do it.
Stick to your guns though, it's your opinion. :whistle
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It doesn't mean an opinion cannot be wrong.
You might say "the sky is pink" it's your opinion but if it's the middle of the night the sky is black, your opinion is WRONG. :shh
Anyway my opinion is he played well in the first quarter, let's see what a few others think.
Also to start questioning the way the stats are taken to try and suit what you think you saw is a touch arrogant. Everyone gets judged on the same system and people with more football knowledge and experience than you work out the best way to do it.
Stick to your guns though, it's your opinion. :whistle
You are correct, opinions can be wrong, you don't agree with mine so you say I am wrong. I don't agree with yours but I wont say you are wrong just that I don't agree.
But each to their own :thumbsup
Regarding stats being taken, I am not being arrogant. I know that everyone is graded the same way I am not trying to reinvent the wheel here.
I have asked a question; which by the way no one has even attempted to answer. I want to know how a "clanger" is determined and how a efficiency is determined. What's wrong with that? It might give me a better understanding with how the stats come out the way they do. Because week after week I look at the stats and scratch my head thinking how can that be?
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I have asked a question; which by the way no one has even attempted to answer. I want to know how a "clanger" is determined and how a efficiency is determined. What's wrong with that? It might give me a better understanding with how the stats come out the way they do. Because week after week I look at the stats and scratch my head thinking how can that be?
I hear ya ! I always wonder about the tackle stat. Seems like there's a thousand tackles every game yet at the end of the day a team gets credited with 60 odd. ? Some players seem to get a free ride with that stat too. See Tom Liberatore. Credited with 11 tackles last week. Double the amount of anyone else on the ground. I watched that game. Didn't notice him anymore than any other player in that regard.
And clearances ? What happens when you beat three blokes at the bottom of the pack , get a quick kick 15 meters forward but it goes straight to the opposition who then kicks it back over your head for a goal. Is that a clearance or a clanger or both ??
Oh and I thought Thomas had a great first qtr by the way. Just my opinion ;)
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I have asked a question; which by the way no one has even attempted to answer. I want to know how a "clanger" is determined and how a efficiency is determined. What's wrong with that? It might give me a better understanding with how the stats come out the way they do. Because week after week I look at the stats and scratch my head thinking how can that be?
I hear ya ! I always wonder about the tackle stat. Seems like there's a thousand tackles every game yet at the end of the day a team gets credited with 60 odd. ? Some players seem to get a free ride with that stat too. See Tom Liberatore. Credited with 11 tackles last week. Double the amount of anyone else on the ground. I watched that game. Didn't notice him anymore than any other player in that regard.
And clearances ? What happens when you beat three blokes at the bottom of the pack , get a quick kick 15 meters forward but it goes straight to the opposition who then kicks it back over your head for a goal. Is that a clearance or a clanger or both ??
Oh and I thought Thomas had a great first qtr by the way. Just my opinion ;)
:clapping :clapping
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While we are at it what is a "pressure act"
Griffith's seems to get lots of them
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While we are at it what is a "pressure act"
Griffith's seems to get lots of them
It's when Dimma threatens to drop him! ;D
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Or threaten them with foot anal punishments
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:lol
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It doesn't mean an opinion cannot be wrong.
You might say "the sky is pink" it's your opinion but if it's the middle of the night the sky is black, your opinion is WRONG. :shh
Anyway my opinion is he played well in the first quarter, let's see what a few others think.
Also to start questioning the way the stats are taken to try and suit what you think you saw is a touch arrogant. Everyone gets judged on the same system and people with more football knowledge and experience than you work out the best way to do it.
Stick to your guns though, it's your opinion. :whistle
You are correct, opinions can be wrong, you don't agree with mine so you say I am wrong. I don't agree with yours but I wont say you are wrong just that I don't agree.
But each to their own :thumbsup
Regarding stats being taken, I am not being arrogant. I know that everyone is graded the same way I am not trying to reinvent the wheel here.
I have asked a question; which by the way no one has even attempted to answer. I want to know how a "clanger" is determined and how a efficiency is determined. What's wrong with that? It might give me a better understanding with how the stats come out the way they do. Because week after week I look at the stats and scratch my head thinking how can that be?
All good WP- no big deal anyway.
Just hope he has the same 'stinker' this week with 28 kicks with 86% efficiency. :lol
I also hope Miles gets a game. :gotigers
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It doesn't mean an opinion cannot be wrong.
You might say "the sky is pink" it's your opinion but if it's the middle of the night the sky is black, your opinion is WRONG. :shh
Anyway my opinion is he played well in the first quarter, let's see what a few others think.
Also to start questioning the way the stats are taken to try and suit what you think you saw is a touch arrogant. Everyone gets judged on the same system and people with more football knowledge and experience than you work out the best way to do it.
Stick to your guns though, it's your opinion. :whistle
You are correct, opinions can be wrong, you don't agree with mine so you say I am wrong. I don't agree with yours but I wont say you are wrong just that I don't agree.
But each to their own :thumbsup
Regarding stats being taken, I am not being arrogant. I know that everyone is graded the same way I am not trying to reinvent the wheel here.
I have asked a question; which by the way no one has even attempted to answer. I want to know how a "clanger" is determined and how a efficiency is determined. What's wrong with that? It might give me a better understanding with how the stats come out the way they do. Because week after week I look at the stats and scratch my head thinking how can that be?
CD guard their methodology as far as Im aware and don't release it to the public. From what I hear some of the interpretation is questionable to say the least.
For example kicking a floater to a contest is deemed an efficient kick.
If petterd kicks to jack reiwoldt and Carlisle marks it even in a contested situation, that is deemed an uncontested mark and uncontested possession to Carlisle.
If Lids puts it on a plate to Vickery and he drops it and the ball subsequently gets swept away, that is an ineffective kick.
I swear years ago I was watching Bryce Gibbs closely and I deadest saw him turn it over 5 times that night yet clanger count was 3...
So I hear ya Willy
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While we are at it what is a "pressure act"
Griffith's seems to get lots of them
Standing on the mark, sheparding , smothering to name a few :shh
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It doesn't mean an opinion cannot be wrong.
You might say "the sky is pink" it's your opinion but if it's the middle of the night the sky is black, your opinion is WRONG. :shh
Anyway my opinion is he played well in the first quarter, let's see what a few others think.
Also to start questioning the way the stats are taken to try and suit what you think you saw is a touch arrogant. Everyone gets judged on the same system and people with more football knowledge and experience than you work out the best way to do it.
Stick to your guns though, it's your opinion. :whistle
You are correct, opinions can be wrong, you don't agree with mine so you say I am wrong. I don't agree with yours but I wont say you are wrong just that I don't agree.
But each to their own :thumbsup
Regarding stats being taken, I am not being arrogant. I know that everyone is graded the same way I am not trying to reinvent the wheel here.
I have asked a question; which by the way no one has even attempted to answer. I want to know how a "clanger" is determined and how a efficiency is determined. What's wrong with that? It might give me a better understanding with how the stats come out the way they do. Because week after week I look at the stats and scratch my head thinking how can that be?
CD guard their methodology as far as Im aware and don't release it to the public. From what I hear some of the interpretation is questionable to say the least.
For example kicking a floater to a contest is deemed an efficient kick.
If petterd kicks to jack reiwoldt and Carlisle marks it even in a contested situation, that is deemed an uncontested mark and uncontested possession to Carlisle.
If Lids puts it on a plate to Vickery and he drops it and the ball subsequently gets swept away, that is an ineffective kick.
I swear years ago I was watching Bryce Gibbs closely and I deadest saw him turn it over 5 times that night yet clanger count was 3...
So I hear ya Willy
Interested to know where you got your info from about those examples? Because the second two don't sound right.
The first one sound ok to me- if you kick the ball towards your goal and gain ground (Ellis would be in trouble) to a 50/50 I think that is effective. You have gain ground for your team and given your team a 50/50 chance of getting the footy. Otherwise only short passes would be deemed effective.
The other two examples I don't think you are right.
A contested mark is a contested mark whoever kicks it.
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It doesn't mean an opinion cannot be wrong.
You might say "the sky is pink" it's your opinion but if it's the middle of the night the sky is black, your opinion is WRONG. :shh
Anyway my opinion is he played well in the first quarter, let's see what a few others think.
Also to start questioning the way the stats are taken to try and suit what you think you saw is a touch arrogant. Everyone gets judged on the same system and people with more football knowledge and experience than you work out the best way to do it.
Stick to your guns though, it's your opinion. :whistle
You are correct, opinions can be wrong, you don't agree with mine so you say I am wrong. I don't agree with yours but I wont say you are wrong just that I don't agree.
But each to their own :thumbsup
Regarding stats being taken, I am not being arrogant. I know that everyone is graded the same way I am not trying to reinvent the wheel here.
I have asked a question; which by the way no one has even attempted to answer. I want to know how a "clanger" is determined and how a efficiency is determined. What's wrong with that? It might give me a better understanding with how the stats come out the way they do. Because week after week I look at the stats and scratch my head thinking how can that be?
CD guard their methodology as far as Im aware and don't release it to the public. From what I hear some of the interpretation is questionable to say the least.
For example kicking a floater to a contest is deemed an efficient kick.
If petterd kicks to jack reiwoldt and Carlisle marks it even in a contested situation, that is deemed an uncontested mark and uncontested possession to Carlisle.
If Lids puts it on a plate to Vickery and he drops it and the ball subsequently gets swept away, that is an ineffective kick.
I swear years ago I was watching Bryce Gibbs closely and I deadest saw him turn it over 5 times that night yet clanger count was 3...
So I hear ya Willy
Interested to know where you got your info from about those examples? Because the second two don't sound right.
The first one sound ok to me- if you kick the ball towards your goal and gain ground (Ellis would be in trouble) to a 50/50 I think that is effective. You have gain ground for your team and given your team a 50/50 chance of getting the footy. Otherwise only short passes would be deemed effective.
The other two examples I don't think you are right.
A contested mark is a contested mark whoever kicks it.
Heard it around the traps over time bt. Troy Luff does a segment on sen talking about dreamteam regularly and in the past on occasions he has clarified some of the Champion data interpretations. Whether its right or wrong I'm happy to be corrected. But Im very confident that the 3rd example I used is correct also, which is just ridiculous. One day I saw Lids had clangers listed for a game and I couldn't recall one single errant kick at the game, so watched the replay and saw some good kicks that were dropped by a team mate and subsequently turned over = clangers. For mine clangers should simply be unforced errors, not if you turn it over under pressure or bc the teammate dropped a sitter.
Regarding effective kicking - if a player bombs it to a 2 on 1 contest or to a pack where we are outnumbered, should that be an effective kick? especially if there was a player free elsewhere? I saw petterd float about 6 or 7 kicks into a pack situation one day and each time we had a bloke in a better position. To then hear he had an 87% disposal efficiency that day makes a bit of a mockery of the stat.
Years ago clearances were the big thing. I think for years if you won clearances you statistically had an 80-90% chance of winning the game Listening to what some coaches say in recent times regarding clearances is interesting. dimma in the past and Chris Scott have mentioned something along the lines of not being too concerned of raw numbers bc they interpret it slightly differently at their respective club.
I cant recall it all now, but if it comes back to me Ill add more, suffice to say there are definitely questionable elements.
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Spot on, Tony.
Look, Matty Thomas is a battler. That's all. There's nothing else to it. If he is getting regular games I am worried...You would hope this changes soon.
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there was an article a few years back about how champion data were changing the way they rated kicking eficiency, but i lost the bookmark and cant find it again.
i did find this though, which is a bit dated now, but probably highlights that what those that pay, get is significantly different to the basic stats given out for free.
http://www.swinburne.edu.au/magazine/5/110/football-numbers-man-brings-players-to-account/
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Thomas is a plodder.
But on a world of squibs (grigg, houli), at least he has a crack
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Copped a ripper in the nuts,he has balls!
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Thomas is a plodder.
But on a world of squibs (grigg, houli), at least he has a crack
Offers nothing Arnot, Miles and even your boy Helbig wouldn't, except they still all have upside, he has none. Taking games away from them. Far too slow of mind and foot for AFL. Recycled list clogging hack who should never have been rookied in the first place, let alone upgraded, just like Lonergan before him and Hislop before that.
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Why don't we just play Adam Thompson or Mitch Farmer.
They have the same impact as Thomas or Chaplin IMHO.
RFC the footy half way house for Alberton's finest.
Thank you Bargain Basement Blair. :help
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Thomas is a plodder.
But on a world of squibs (grigg, houli), at least he has a crack
Offers nothing Arnot, Miles and even your boy Helbig wouldn't, except they still all have upside, he has none. Taking games away from them. Far too slow of mind and foot for AFL. Recycled list clogging hack who should never have been rookied in the first place, let alone upgraded, just like Lonergan before him and Hislop before that.
Remember when we delisted Hislop...
...and then rookied him. :banghead :banghead
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He doesn't have the pace to be an AFL player. He was always 10m behind his direct opponent.
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He doesn't have the pace to be an AFL player. He was always 10m behind his direct opponent.
That isn't pace, it's work rate and reading the play. Hodge is about the same pace but he can read the play beautifully and works his butt off. There in lies the difference.
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He doesn't have the pace to be an AFL player. He was always 10m behind his direct opponent.
That isn't pace, it's work rate and reading the play. Hodge is about the same pace but he can read the play beautifully and works his butt off. There in lies the difference.
Add disposal to the equation and therein lies an even bigger gulf.
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Thomas to half time: 6 clangers from 9 disposals.
What you get when you recruit recycled players who can't kick.
Thanks Blair ::).
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How many free kick does he give away...not good enough.
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9 clangers all up today playing against a bottom side. You can't blame him though as he didn't recruit himself to Tigerland nor is picking himself in the seniors. Sadly Hardwick loves the way he plays as he said so just a week ago :P.
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Another hack on the list
Delist
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Thomas to half time: 6 clangers from 9 disposals.
What you get when you recruit recycled players who can't kick.
Thanks Blair ::).
Ah!
The new foley.
We need someone like this
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I thought he was supposed to be a back up player.
He is not supposed to be first 22.
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Thomas to half time: 6 clangers from 9 disposals.
What you get when you recruit recycled players who can't kick.
Thanks Blair ::).
Ah!
The new foley.
We need someone like this
Foley was a good footballer in 2007-08 before his ankle injury which Wallace and the match committee then made worse by playing him in round 1, 2009 when Axel couldn't even walk two days before the game. Thomas on the other hand has never been a good footballer and should never have been recruited from another club and recycled. A modern day Tim Fleming or Adam Thomson.
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Terrific, just terrific TM
Thats is all!
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Arnot got 30 touches in the ressies today.
What was that mantra Dimma spruiked when he got the job? Something sbout players that can kick.
His goal in the last is evidence of this. Made Sticks Kernahan kicks look like perfect drop punts. :help
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How about the goal?
Beautiful kick
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was definitely special
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Could have put 10 games into Arnot already this season. Instead we recruit and play another mature hack.
Development is alive and well at tigerland.
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Helbig
Arnot
Almost miles
Mcdonnuts
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Na matt Thomas
Plop plop plop
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Helbig
Arnot
Almost miles
Mcdonnuts
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Na matt Thomas
Plop plop plop
I agree that Arnot should be given another chance, Helbig and McDonnuts I'm not so sure, but wouldn't you prefer to drop players like Houli, Grigg, Pettard, Hampson before Thomas? At least he has a massive crack. The others give less IMO.
Thomas may not be the answer long term but I would prefer to watch him tackle and put his body on the line rather than that soft lot I mention above.
We need a team of goers, willing to at least have a decent crack.
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Matt Thomas was another wasted spot on the list. Look at Miles then look at Thomas, what a stuffen waste of a spot, at least get a kid and give him a chance. Miles looking like a 150 game- 200 game player in the making.
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Helbig
Arnot
Almost miles
Mcdonnuts
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Na matt Thomas
Plop plop plop
I agree that Arnot should be given another chance, Helbig and McDonnuts I'm not so sure, but wouldn't you prefer to drop players like Houli, Grigg, Pettard, Hampson before Thomas? At least he has a massive crack. The others give less IMO.
Thomas may not be the answer long term but I would prefer to watch him tackle and put his body on the line rather than that soft lot I mention above.
We need a team of goers, willing to at least have a decent crack.
Yes of course I rank Thomas ahead of the houlis and Griggs
Due to hard wicks unwillingness to play the youth and unwavering faith in the middle teir list blocker types, it's hard not just to lump them all in the same group
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Short term fix. When Jackson regains form and fitness I would swap him for Thomas.
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Matty Thomas plays his 100th on Friday night.
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=1665
So it'll be a double milestone game for us :-\ ;D.
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Been a pretty handy recruit just quietly, certainly justified his rookie spot, next to miles, currently sitting at 2014 best performed rookie in the afl, nice work fj and Hartley .....again :clapping
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Been a pretty handy recruit just quietly, certainly justified his rookie spot, next to miles, currently sitting at 2014 best performed rookie in the afl, nice work fj and Hartley .....again :clapping
geez lately i ive disagereed with just about everything you have posted but apart from the last sentence i agree.
im not sure what people want from rookie picks but as a rookie thomas has been pretty good.
if thomas is such a dud how on earth does he continue to take games off the likes of arnot helbig etc. simply put hes out performed them and earnt his spot. the rose coloured glasses are on with most and they just refuse to acknowledge thomas has been significantly better than tthe struggling kids in our system. yep if thomas is a dud and the kids cant outperform him and force him out, what does that make em??? uber duds :o :o
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Been a pretty handy recruit just quietly, certainly justified his rookie spot, next to miles, currently sitting at 2014 best performed rookie in the afl, nice work fj and Hartley .....again :clapping
yep if thomas is a dud and the kids cant outperform him and force him out, what does that make em??? uber duds :o :o
Or the coach doesn't actually pay attention to VFL? He did say after all he was surprised by how good Anthony Miles is.
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Well there you have it.....Thomarse getting games is irrefutable proof the kids are no good.... the ten minute talent scout hath spoken...
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if thomas is such a dud how on earth does he continue to take games off the likes of arnot helbig etc. simply put hes out performed them and earnt his spot.
That you actually have asked the question is either simple a worry or you really don't follow this club that closely at all.
But to help you out I will literally spell it out for you !
F_A_V_O_U_R_I_T_E_S
Get it? Favourites
Thomas is one, like so many others who continue to be played you know the ones.... the players that you; yourself label as DUDS who continually get gifted games while kids in the VFL named in the best week after week get overlooked... That's not out performing them, it's called playing favourites which has been the one consistent feature at the selection table all season 2014
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Been a pretty handy recruit just quietly, certainly justified his rookie spot, next to miles, currently sitting at 2014 best performed rookie in the afl, nice work fj and Hartley .....again :clapping
geez lately i ive disagereed with just about everything you have posted but apart from the last sentence i agree.
im not sure what people want from rookie picks but as a rookie thomas has been pretty good.
if thomas is such a dud how on earth does he continue to take games off the likes of arnot helbig etc. simply put hes out performed them and earnt his spot. the rose coloured glasses are on with most and they just refuse to acknowledge thomas has been significantly better than tthe struggling kids in our system. yep if thomas is a dud and the kids cant outperform him and force him out, what does that make em??? uber duds :o :o
Totally disagree. Players like Arnot not being given a proper chance and are being played out of position. Arnot has shown good form in VFL over the year yet has not been selected when should have. Coach plays favourites.
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if thomas is such a dud how on earth does he continue to take games off the likes of arnot helbig etc. simply put hes out performed them and earnt his spot.
That you actually have asked the question is either simple a worry or you really don't follow this club that closely at all.
But to help you out I will literally spell it out for you !
F_A_V_O_U_R_I_T_E_S
Get it? Favourites
Thomas is one, like so many others who continue to be played you know the ones.... the players that you; yourself label as DUDS who continually get gifted games while kids in the VFL named in the best week after week get overlooked... That's not out performing them, it's called playing favourites which has been the one consistent feature at the selection table all season 2014
Totally agree. You beat me to the punch. Furthermore Arnot is a much more skilled footballer than Thomas.
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if thomas is such a dud how on earth does he continue to take games off the likes of arnot helbig etc. simply put hes out performed them and earnt his spot.
That you actually have asked the question is either simple a worry or you really don't follow this club that closely at all.
But to help you out I will literally spell it out for you !
F_A_V_O_U_R_I_T_E_S
Get it? Favourites
Thomas is one, like so many others who continue to be played you know the ones.... the players that you; yourself label as DUDS who continually get gifted games while kids in the VFL named in the best week after week get overlooked... That's not out performing them, it's called playing favourites which has been the one consistent feature at the selection table all season 2014
Not sure about that, I am not a Thomas fan but he has had some rather good games. I have never seen Arnott preform to anywhere near that level.
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if thomas is such a dud how on earth does he continue to take games off the likes of arnot helbig etc. simply put hes out performed them and earnt his spot.
That you actually have asked the question is either simple a worry or you really don't follow this club that closely at all.
But to help you out I will literally spell it out for you !
F_A_V_O_U_R_I_T_E_S
Get it? Favourites
Thomas is one, like so many others who continue to be played you know the ones.... the players that you; yourself label as DUDS who continually get gifted games while kids in the VFL named in the best week after week get overlooked... That's not out performing them, it's called playing favourites which has been the one consistent feature at the selection table all season 2014
Not sure about that, I am not a Thomas fan but he has had some rather good games. I have never seen Arnott preform to anywhere near that level.
WP - I don't want to call you out here but that's simply not true. I went and watched last weeks VFL game and see a couple of others early in the year and the likes of Helbig and Arnot aren't getting games because, simply put, they don't deserve them. Arnot got 24 possessions that game but in all honesty did nothing.
Helbig was Mr Invisible but the player I was most disappointed in was McBean. He kicks a handful of goals every game but he is lazy. He doesn't chase or lead. He could be kicking 10 goals a game if he was fitter and tried more. When his team mates were on the boundary continually screaming out for him to lead, chase, zone and just move I see a problem. They were telling me he doesn't train well and doesn't follow the diet he was set too. Just really disappointing coming from a player who could kill it for us in the future if he can just get his act together.
Thomas may be a favourite but it is because he does all the things that is asked of him. He trains well, never gives up, wins the contested ball and offers leadership through example. He is does not have the best desposal but I would take a player like him every day of the week and twice on Sundays over Helbig, Arnot and McBean who are just not up to it despite what you may have read in post match reviews of VFL games.
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WP - I don't want to call you out here but that's simply not true. I went and watched last weeks VFL game and see a couple of others early in the year and the likes of Helbig and Arnot aren't getting games because, simply put, they don't deserve them. Arnot got 24 possessions that game but in all honesty did nothing.
Helbig was Mr Invisible but the player I was most disappointed in was McBean. He kicks a handful of goals every game but he is lazy. He doesn't chase or lead. He could be kicking 10 goals a game if he was fitter and tried more. When his team mates were on the boundary continually screaming out for him to lead, chase, zone and just move I see a problem. They were telling me he doesn't train well and doesn't follow the diet he was set too. Just really disappointing coming from a player who could kill it for us in the future if he can just get his act together.
Thomas may be a favourite but it is because he does all the things that is asked of him. He trains well, never gives up, wins the contested ball and offers leadership through example. He is does not have the best desposal but I would take a player like him every day of the week and twice on Sundays over Helbig, Arnot and McBean who are just not up to it despite what you may have read in post match reviews of VFL games.
So he's not the messiah, he's just a very naughty boy.
Woops, speaking the truth to zealots is going to get you in a lot of trouble, Stripes.
It was the last thing most had left to hang on to - hope for the future.
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WP - I don't want to call you out here but that's simply not true. I went and watched last weeks VFL game and see a couple of others early in the year and the likes of Helbig and Arnot aren't getting games because, simply put, they don't deserve them. Arnot got 24 possessions that game but in all honesty did nothing.
Helbig was Mr Invisible but the player I was most disappointed in was McBean. He kicks a handful of goals every game but he is lazy. He doesn't chase or lead. He could be kicking 10 goals a game if he was fitter and tried more. When his team mates were on the boundary continually screaming out for him to lead, chase, zone and just move I see a problem. They were telling me he doesn't train well and doesn't follow the diet he was set too. Just really disappointing coming from a player who could kill it for us in the future if he can just get his act together.
Thomas may be a favourite but it is because he does all the things that is asked of him. He trains well, never gives up, wins the contested ball and offers leadership through example. He is does not have the best desposal but I would take a player like him every day of the week and twice on Sundays over Helbig, Arnot and McBean who are just not up to it despite what you may have read in post match reviews of VFL games.
With respect Stripes
I am not talking about last week's VFL game and to single out the last week or the last couple (read 5 weeks) is simply not fair because it glosses over the problem that's been playing favourites and gifting games in 2014.
Personally, I was refering to what has happened over the entire season. Players have been gifted games when they shouldn't have.
But if you want to look at parts of the season in isolation we can do that too
How about the first 10 weeks for starters? We had so many under performing players during that period it wasn't funny.
Did any of the favourites in that period get dropped based on their poor form eg the Houli's, Grigg's, Edwards', Ellis'(and first half of the year he was terrible - improved the last 6 or so weeks) , Newmans, Chaplin?
Answer is NO.
But did we have any blokes consistently playing well, getting named in the bests week after week and not getting games?
Answer is YEP.
Biggest case in point is one Anthony Miles. We could have promoted him anytime prior to the season and we didn't. We stuck with playing favourites. And BTW I don't think anyone on this forum would disagree that he offers a helluva lot more than Thomas.
If you want to look at the last 10 weeks well I'd argue that playing favourites has continued. Newman misses what was it 5-6 weeks and he comes straight back in over the likes of a McDonough who gets shunted backwards and forwards when a favourite is suddenly available. Morris comes straight back in this week. Why? Answer is obvious I would have thought
I am not disputing that a number of our kids in the VFL have dropped off in the last month of so. Helbig & O'Hanlon are the prefect examples for a stretch they were named in the best at VFL level for probably 7-10 weeks and did their good form gain them selection? With the exception of O'Hanlon's 25 minute appearance the answer is a resounding NO. All we do is just put a Newman, Morris straight back in.
I've said it before what message does this send to these kids?
I am still amazed that Grigg was made to come back via the VFL. First time it's happened and I applaud them for it because that's the way it should be. Sadly for us it is the exception rather than the norm
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WP - I don't want to call you out here but that's simply not true. I went and watched last weeks VFL game and see a couple of others early in the year and the likes of Helbig and Arnot aren't getting games because, simply put, they don't deserve them. Arnot got 24 possessions that game but in all honesty did nothing.
Helbig was Mr Invisible but the player I was most disappointed in was McBean. He kicks a handful of goals every game but he is lazy. He doesn't chase or lead. He could be kicking 10 goals a game if he was fitter and tried more. When his team mates were on the boundary continually screaming out for him to lead, chase, zone and just move I see a problem. They were telling me he doesn't train well and doesn't follow the diet he was set too. Just really disappointing coming from a player who could kill it for us in the future if he can just get his act together.
Thomas may be a favourite but it is because he does all the things that is asked of him. He trains well, never gives up, wins the contested ball and offers leadership through example. He is does not have the best desposal but I would take a player like him every day of the week and twice on Sundays over Helbig, Arnot and McBean who are just not up to it despite what you may have read in post match reviews of VFL games.
With respect Stripes
I am not talking about last week's VFL game and to single out the last week or the last couple (read 5 weeks) is simply not fair because it glosses over the problem that's been playing favourites and gifting games in 2014.
Personally, I was refering to what has happened over the entire season. Players have been gifted games when they shouldn't have.
But if you want to look at parts of the season in isolation we can do that too
How about the first 10 weeks for starters? We had so many under performing players during that period it wasn't funny.
Did any of the favourites in that period get dropped based on their poor form eg the Houli's, Grigg's, Edwards', Ellis'(and first half of the year he was terrible - improved the last 6 or so weeks) , Newmans, Chaplin?
Answer is NO.
But did we have any blokes consistently playing well, getting named in the bests week after week and not getting games?
Answer is YEP.
Biggest case in point is one Anthony Miles. We could have promoted him anytime prior to the season and we didn't. We stuck with playing favourites. And BTW I don't think anyone on this forum would disagree that he offers a helluva lot more than Thomas.
If you want to look at the last 10 weeks well I'd argue that playing favourites has continued. Newman misses what was it 5-6 weeks and he comes straight back in over the likes of a McDonough who gets shunted backwards and forwards when a favourite is suddenly available. Morris comes straight back in this week. Why? Answer is obvious I would have thought
I am not disputing that a number of our kids in the VFL have dropped off in the last month of so. Helbig & O'Hanlon are the prefect examples for a stretch they were named in the best at VFL level for probably 7-10 weeks and did their good form gain them selection? With the exception of O'Hanlon's 25 minute appearance the answer is a resounding NO. All we do is just put a Newman, Morris straight back in.
I've said it before what message does this send to these kids?
I am still amazed that Grigg was made to come back via the VFL. First time it's happened and I applaud them for it because that's the way it should be. Sadly for us it is the exception rather than the norm
You have gone off track a bit, the discussion was around Thomas and why he is getting game instead of Arnott, Helbig etc etc
Good of you to bring Grigg into it though, very under appreciated footballer
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I am not talking about last week's VFL game and to single out the last week or the last couple (read 5 weeks) is simply not fair because it glosses over the problem that's been playing favourites and gifting games in 2014.
Personally, I was refering to what has happened over the entire season. Players have been gifted games when they shouldn't have.
I think this is the problem WP. What the club rates and what the outside observer rates are two entirely different things. Each of these VFL players are positioned, developed and judged according to a specific role. Infact so are the AFL players. Defensive efforts are paramount. Helbig and Arnot may have been regularly mentioned in the teams best players but they have really been the best of the worst so to speak. We haven't had a unstoppable VFL team by any stretch of the imagination and a large part of this is because players have not been accountable to their role, to the game plan and to the team.
Thomas is getting a game over these guys because when rated across a whole season he fulfills his role. He trains hard, leads through word and deed and never gives up. That would make him a coach favourite no doubt.
But if you want to look at parts of the season in isolation we can do that too
How about the first 10 weeks for starters? We had so many under performing players during that period it wasn't funny.
Did any of the favourites in that period get dropped based on their poor form eg the Houli's, Grigg's, Edwards', Ellis'(and first half of the year he was terrible - improved the last 6 or so weeks) , Newmans, Chaplin?
Why do you think these guys are 'favourites'? I think it is because they fill their role/job. Five of the six players you just named are outside ball users. The reason they looked ordinary is because we weren't winning the contested/inside ball but rather than point the finger at our inside players it seems that these players are easy targets. It is no coincidence that now that we are winning the ball around stoppages that Ellis, Houli, Edwards etc are all regained their 2013 form (if not better in the case of Ellis). They are not 'favourites' but they are proven role players.
But did we have any blokes consistently playing well, getting named in the bests week after week and not getting games?
Answer is YEP.
Biggest case in point is one Anthony Miles. We could have promoted him anytime prior to the season and we didn't. We stuck with playing favourites. And BTW I don't think anyone on this forum would disagree that he offers a helluva lot more than Thomas.
Being named as the best of a poor team doesn't mean too much. Rate the players based on their responsibilities and defensive efforts. Helbig, Arnot and McBean (through Hampson into that mix too) are not in the team because their defensive game is not strong enough. No ability to zone and pressure or mindset to chase and win the contested ball = no AFL game.
Miles is an upgrade on ability to Thomas imho but that is the exact reason he has been upgraded and is now a required player because of his attitude, ability to win the ball and fill a role in the side. The exact same reason why Thomas is also in the side winning the contested ball right along side him.
If you want to look at the last 10 weeks well I'd argue that playing favourites has continued. Newman misses what was it 5-6 weeks and he comes straight back in over the likes of a McDonough who gets shunted backwards and forwards when a favourite is suddenly available. Morris comes straight back in this week. Why? Answer is obvious I would have thought
McDonough was not up to AFL standard. Newman offer more at this stage. He offers leadership which is an area we are sorely lacking at present and especially in his absence. He also acts like an on field coach and fills his role. If there are two players fighting for a spot in the team of similar ability with one a team leader with experience on his side, I'd pick Newman every time. Call it favourite or call it common-sense.
I am not disputing that a number of our kids in the VFL have dropped off in the last month of so. Helbig & O'Hanlon are the prefect examples for a stretch they were named in the best at VFL level for probably 7-10 weeks and did their good form gain them selection? With the exception of O'Hanlon's 25 minute appearance the answer is a resounding NO. All we do is just put a Newman, Morris straight back in.
I agree that we do need to give the kids more of a stretch of games.
I've said it before what message does this send to these kids?
I am still amazed that Grigg was made to come back via the VFL. First time it's happened and I applaud them for it because that's the way it should be. Sadly for us it is the exception rather than the norm
I think the message is clear - play the role you are given to a high, consistent standard plus focus on team defense first and you will earn a spot in the side. Don't tick all the boxes and you will be overlooked. Helbig and McBean aren't ticking all the boxes at the moment and I feel it would be a mistake to play them before they do. Thomas on the other hand is ticking all the right boxes at present.
If we play the kids over Thomas before they have ticked all the right boxes what sort of message would that be sending to these kids? :thumbsup
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I think this is the problem WP. What the club rates and what the outside observer rates are two entirely different things. Each of these VFL players are positioned, developed and judged according to a specific role. Infact so are the AFL players. Defensive efforts are paramount. Helbig and Arnot may have been regularly mentioned in the teams best players but they have really been the best of the worst so to speak. We haven't had a unstoppable VFL team by any stretch of the imagination and a large part of this is because players have not been accountable to their role, to the game plan and to the team.
Thomas is getting a game over these guys because when rated across a whole season he fulfills his role. He trains hard, leads through word and deed and never gives up. That would make him a coach favourite no doubt.
I undestand that what we rate and what coaches rate are different.
But when you sit in pre-match functions and get told that Player X is playing great at VFL and is next in line for the AFL side but when an opportunity present but are constantly overlooked then sorry it's near on impossible not to question what the hell is going on
On one hand you suggest that Thomas is fulfilling his role but the kids in the VFL aren't? How do you justify that? Simply by Thomas getting games
Why do you think these guys are 'favourites'? I think it is because they fill their role/job. Five of the six players you just named are outside ball users. The reason they looked ordinary is because we weren't winning the contested/inside ball but rather than point the finger at our inside players it seems that these players are easy targets. It is no coincidence that now that we are winning the ball around stoppages that Ellis, Houli, Edwards etc are all regained their 2013 form (if not better in the case of Ellis). They are not 'favourites' but they are proven role players.
If you seriously beleive that the under performers were not getting gifted games earlier in the season then no one will convince you otherwise. Griffiths' form went down the tiolet and he got dropped, Chaplin's form was woeful but he continued to be played. Shouldn't the same rules apply to all players, it shouldn't be about reputation
So sorry Stripes by playing blokes out of form becaus eof past deeds then you are playing fovourites. BTW comments by our Coach on a week by week basis prove that they are.
Being named as the best of a poor team doesn't mean too much. Rate the players based on their responsibilities and defensive efforts. Helbig, Arnot and McBean (through Hampson into that mix too) are not in the team because their defensive game is not strong enough. No ability to zone and pressure or mindset to chase and win the contested ball = no AFL game.
Miles is an upgrade on ability to Thomas imho but that is the exact reason he has been upgraded and is now a required player because of his attitude, ability to win the ball and fill a role in the side. The exact same reason why Thomas is also in the side winning the contested ball right along side him.
So playing well in poor team doens't mean much unless you are Miles? He was playing well (exceptionally well in a poor side) and he deserved his chance but others don't
Ok
McDonough was not up to AFL standard. Newman offer more at this stage. He offers leadership which is an area we are sorely lacking at present and especially in his absence. He also acts like an on field coach and fills his role. If there are two players fighting for a spot in the team of similar ability with one a team leader with experience on his side, I'd pick Newman every time. Call it favourite or call it common-sense.
I call it playing favourites. If it is good enough for a Brownlow medalist to come back via the VFL it should be could enough for guy who currently being shown up by a game that speed wise seems to have passed him by. a good leader would have said "i'll come back via the VFL"
I think the message is clear - play the role you are given to a high, consistent standard plus focus on team defense first and you will earn a spot in the side. Don't tick all the boxes and you will be overlooked. Helbig and McBean aren't ticking all the boxes at the moment and I feel it would be a mistake to play them before they do. Thomas on the other hand is ticking all the right boxes at present.
If we play the kids over Thomas before they have ticked all the right boxes what sort of message would that be sending to these kids? :thumbsup
And what if they have done all those things? ticked all of those boxes, been told by their coaches they're doing all the right things? What about when they were ticking all the boxes and still getting overlooked.
So I'll say it again that's the issue the message obviously isn't clear. We have certain rules for one group of players and another set of rules for others
And I'll just have to leave it at that
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The only kid Thomas is better than is Helbig ....and Helbig will probably be as "good" as Thomas when he gets to his age....though he'll probably be starring in a lower league by then, not still stinking it up in the AFL ala Thomas.
Arnot may be no Ablett but he's so much more skillful than Thomas that it's not even a contest ...would like Hardwick to play Thomas in the forward pocket and see how well he goes.
Both those players are still kids and may/will improve - Thomas isn't and won't. Untried kids > proven duds.
...and McBean's (highest goalkicker this year & third highest overall in the VFL, only 4 behind the current leader, despite missing 3 games btw)no lazier than Vickery - except he's 5 years younger and doesn't have a tank yet - what's Vickery's excuse?
As for not gifting games....explain what the likes of Houli & Grigg were doing to deserve to be walk up starts...apart from being liabilties?
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If you want to look at the last 10 weeks well I'd argue that playing favourites has continued. Newman misses what was it 5-6 weeks and he comes straight back in over the likes of a McDonough who gets shunted backwards and forwards when a favourite is suddenly available. Morris comes straight back in this week. Why? Answer is obvious I would have thought
McDonough was not up to AFL standard. Newman offer more at this stage. He offers leadership which is an area we are sorely lacking at present and especially in his absence. He also acts like an on field coach and fills his role. If there are two players fighting for a spot in the team of similar ability with one a team leader with experience on his side, I'd pick Newman every time. Call it favourite or call it common-sense.
I agree with a lot you said but I can't get my head around this. McDonough has produced what I'd call on par with what Newman has done this season with the added benefit of being young and only in his second year. I could understand the Newman has more leadership therefore deserves a game more argument but I seriously doubt he has much leadership. Never seems to marshall the troops, give directions or pump anyone up and I won't go into him being rushed back into the team not once but twice. The ultimate deciding thing for me (which the coach doesn't agree with) is that the season was shot AND WE SHOULD OF BEING PLAYING THE KIDS!
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The only kid Thomas is better than is Helbig ....and Helbig will probably be as "good" as Thomas when he gets to his age....though he'll probably be starring in a lower league by then, not still stinking it up in the AFL ala Thomas.
So you don't rate Helbig? At the moment I haven't seen anything from his games to warrant a spot in the side. He's playing of the HBF and isn't as good as Houli, Valustin, Dea or Batchelor.
Arnot may be no Ablett but he's so much more skillful than Thomas that it's not even a contest ...would like Hardwick to play Thomas in the forward pocket and see how well he goes.
Arnot is no where near as capable as Thomas at winning the inside ball. All the statistics and evidence points to that. He is tough and strong but he hasn't shown he is an inside ball winner like Thomas has.
Both those players are still kids and may/will improve - Thomas isn't and won't. Untried kids > proven duds.
When they do improve and demonstrate it like Miles did then Thomas will be moved aside. Until then they need to keep working.
...and McBean's (highest goalkicker this year & third highest overall in the VFL, only 4 behind the current leader, despite missing 3 games btw)no lazier than Vickery - except he's 5 years younger and doesn't have a tank yet - what's Vickery's excuse?
Goal kicking is not his problem. This is the same reason I couldn't understand why he wasn't been given a game because he appears to be killing it on the score board. His problem is his defensive game and he is letting his opponent and the other defenders off the hook and allowing them to race the ball out of defense too often. He is not pressuring opponents enough and that is crucial now days as a forward. Vickery was dropped earlier int he year because he was don't the same but he turned that around. McBean still hasn't. McBean hasn't gained the size or additional strength he should have too because he is not following the club dietitians either.
I would love to see Thomas replaced by a better midfielder but at the moment their is no one out their breaking down the door sadly :'(
As for not gifting games....explain what the likes of Houli & Grigg were doing to deserve to be walk up starts...apart from being liabilties?
I explained this earlier but Grigg and Houli are good role players for us. They need us to be winning the contested ball and feeding it out to them. Grigg needs Miles, Cotch etc to get it out to him while Houli needs Rance and Chaplin typically to get it out to him. They give us the run and spread we need. Without players like Grigg, Houli, Ellis, Lids, etc we would have to rely on long kicks to contests rather than quick ball movement into space. This is what we do best. We can't have a team of Miles and Thomas clones no more than we can have a team of Griggs and Houli's It's all about balance.
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I undestand that what we rate and what coaches rate are different.
But when you sit in pre-match functions and get told that Player X is playing great at VFL and is next in line for the AFL side but when an opportunity present but are constantly overlooked then sorry it's near on impossible not to question what the hell is going on
On one hand you suggest that Thomas is fulfilling his role but the kids in the VFL aren't? How do you justify that? Simply by Thomas getting games
Are you basing your judgement on the VFL 'Bests' each week? With Thomas in the team we are the best contested ball winning side in the league. He is far from being the lone hand here but he is a significant cog.
If you seriously beleive that the under performers were not getting gifted games earlier in the season then no one will convince you otherwise. Griffiths' form went down the tiolet and he got dropped, Chaplin's form was woeful but he continued to be played. Shouldn't the same rules apply to all players, it shouldn't be about reputation
So sorry Stripes by playing blokes out of form becaus eof past deeds then you are playing fovourites. BTW comments by our Coach on a week by week basis prove that they are.
I'm not going to deny that many of them were out of form but the reason for this is because of the absent players around them. Chaplin needs Rance in the backline. His strength is not a one on one but he reads the play beautifully and is always composed when he moves the ball forward. He also marshals the troops in the backline, directing them to their positions. He gives the side experience and leadership. Again he fulfills an important role in the side which others struggle to fill.
Griffiths is fighting for the same role/position as Vickery. On present form Vickery plays the role better. He is more defensive minded in the forwardline and more aggressive when he hits the packs. Griffs a better kick and has a greater leap. I hope he makes it but the reason he was dropped over Chaplin is because someone, Vickery, was playing better at VFL level in his role.
So playing well in poor team doens't mean much unless you are Miles? He was playing well (exceptionally well in a poor side) and he deserved his chance but others don't
Ok
You hit the nail on the head - Miles was playing exceptionally well and in a position/role we desperately needed. No Brainer. Helbig and Arnot a vying for positions that other more experienced players are doing a better job than them as AFL level. Miles stood out through his ability when he played VFL like Grigg did last week - Helbig and Arnot don't. McBean does through his offensive talent but falls away defensively. He is the most likely to make it imho.
I call it playing favourites. If it is good enough for a Brownlow medalist to come back via the VFL it should be could enough for guy who currently being shown up by a game that speed wise seems to have passed him by. a good leader would have said "i'll come back via the VFL"
Call it favourites or call it playing a coach directed role consistently well. Earn respect from the coach through hard work and by consistent efforts. These players have earned their spot in the team. The best players are always the coaches favourites and the players who follow the coaches instructions are kept int he side over others who don't. It's fairly simple really.
And what if they have done all those things? ticked all of those boxes, been told by their coaches they're doing all the right things? What about when they were ticking all the boxes and still getting overlooked.
So I'll say it again that's the issue the message obviously isn't clear. We have certain rules for one group of players and another set of rules for others
Who knows? We certainly don't but the evidence seems to be on face value and from the VFL players that the likes of Helbig, Arnot and McBean aren't meeting certain expectations so they aren't playing.
And I'll just have to leave it at that
Always nice have an intelligent debate with you WP! :thumbsup
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Took till he's 100th game milestone and to celebrate he finally produced his norm
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Rance doesn't need Chaplin...
No doubt rance makes Chaplin look better. Cause rance is a gun.
Does Chaplin actilly make rance life easier?
More so than frawley or astbury or Grimes
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Thomas isnt the future, we have to find someone to help Miles so we can get Cotch more on the outside where he can devastate oppositions.
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How can you find someone qhwb you don't give a arnot donuts Lennon helbig a chance
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Rance doesn't need Chaplin...
No doubt rance makes Chaplin look better. Cause rance is a gun.
Does Chaplin actilly make rance life easier?
More so than frawley or astbury or Grimes
Wrong thread dude
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If you seriously beleive that the undeasrmers were not getting gifted games earlier in the season then no one will convince you otherwise. Griffiths' form went down the tiolet and he got dropped, Chaplin's form was woeful but he continued to be played. Shouldn't the same rules apply to all players, it shouldn't be about reputation
So sorry Stripes by playing blokes out of form becaus eof past deeds then you are playing fovourites. BTW comments by our Coach on a week by week basis prove that they are.
I'm not going to deny that many of them were out of form but the reason for this is because of the absent players around them. Chaplin needs Rance in the backline. His strength is not a one on one but he reads the play beautifully and is always composed when he moves the ball forward. He also marshals the troops in the backline, directing them to their positions. He gives the side experience and leadership. Again he fulfills an important role in the side which others struggle to fill.Stripes
Why does Chaplin NEED rance?
And yet Rance would be fine without Chaplin?
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if thomas is such a dud how on earth does he continue to take games off the likes of arnot helbig etc. simply put hes out performed them and earnt his spot.
That you actually have asked the question is either simple a worry or you really don't follow this club that closely at all.
But to help you out I will literally spell it out for you !
F_A_V_O_U_R_I_T_E_S
Get it? Favourites
Thomas is one, like so many others who continue to be played you know the ones.... the players that you; yourself label as DUDS who continually get gifted games while kids in the VFL named in the best week after week get overlooked... That's not out performing them, it's called playing favourites which has been the one consistent feature at the selection table all season 2014
na the real worry is a bloke who refuses to acknowledge when a player is better performed than his own favorites.
understand this. matt thomas has earnt his spot unlike most. if you think thomas has underperfrmed so far you are deluded.yes he has his limitations and weaknesses. but if players stood up in the first half of the yr thomas was one of em.
fair dinkum ive read some out and out driblle oin this forum and to be honest i expected if not better from you at least more objectivity.
oh and seeing as hes come off a shocker against essendon i will get in first and say yes hes had a howler.
for me we should aim for more well rounded players than thomas but he most certainly has outperformed most of the hacks.
id go as far to say he given us everything and more that we should have expected from a mature aged rookie selection. what the hell were you after gary ablett.
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if thomas is such a dud how on earth does he continue to take games off the likes of arnot helbig etc. simply put hes out performed them and earnt his spot.
That you actually have asked the question is either simple a worry or you really don't follow this club that closely at all.
But to help you out I will literally spell it out for you !
F_A_V_O_U_R_I_T_E_S
Get it? Favourites
Thomas is one, like so many others who continue to be played you know the ones.... the players that you; yourself label as DUDS who continually get gifted games while kids in the VFL named in the best week after week get overlooked... That's not out performing them, it's called playing favourites which has been the one consistent feature at the selection table all season 2014
na the real worry is a bloke who refuses to acknowledge when a player is better performed than his own favorites.
understand this. matt thomas has earnt his spot unlike most. if you think thomas has underperfrmed so far you are deluded.yes he has his limitations and weaknesses. but if players stood up in the first half of the yr thomas was one of em.
fair dinkum ive read some out and out driblle oin this forum and to be honest i expected if not better from you at least more objectivity.
oh and seeing as hes come off a shocker against essendon i will get in first and say yes hes had a howler.
for me we should aim for more well rounded players than thomas but he most certainly has outperformed most of the hacks.
id go as far to say he given us everything and more that we should have expected from a mature aged rookie selection. what the hell were you after gary ablett.
you just like him cos he's from sa
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I actually agree with Claw. Definitely not the worst with plenty deserving the stuff before him early in the season. His form has slowly declined though and I reckon that was just a purple patch for him and we'll now see what we can expect from him.
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what puzzles me is that the players themselves throughout the year have constantly said the club has stood by its policy of rewarding good form.
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na the real worry is a bloke who refuses to acknowledge when a player is better performed than his own favorites.
understand this. matt thomas has earnt his spot unlike most. if you think thomas has underperfrmed so far you are deluded.yes he has his limitations and weaknesses. but if players stood up in the first half of the yr thomas was one of em.
fair dinkum ive read some out and out driblle oin this forum and to be honest i expected if not better from you at least more objectivity.
oh and seeing as hes come off a shocker against essendon i will get in first and say yes hes had a howler.
for me we should aim for more well rounded players than thomas but he most certainly has outperformed most of the hacks.
id go as far to say he given us everything and more that we should have expected from a mature aged rookie selection. what the hell were you after gary ablett.
Nah what's a worry is people either refusing to read entire posts or latching onto only part of a post to try and back up their argument. Refuse to read any further debate between posters on the subject. And then for good measure throwing in a cheap little snipe because someone dares to disagree to with them.
And just on your last comment re Ablett. Er no I wasn't expecting Ablett but what I was expecting is that they would reward people on the rookie list who showed good form in the entire pre-season. The fact they promoted Thomas ahead of Miles was and still is a staggering decision. Why? because I think Miles offers more a lot more than Thomas both short term and more importantly long term. And despite the Clubs stubbornness to admit it; it was pretty clear pre-season
So finally we will agree to disagree, nothing more nothing less
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Mate there was nothing too wrong with Thomas pre season form , he was dominating every praccy match, was a no brainer promoting him considering Jackson and tuck were needed to be replaced from r 1. The bigger q is why promote big o if they were never inclined to play him
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na the real worry is a bloke who refuses to acknowledge when a player is better performed than his own favorites.
understand this. matt thomas has earnt his spot unlike most. if you think thomas has underperfrmed so far you are deluded.yes he has his limitations and weaknesses. but if players stood up in the first half of the yr thomas was one of em.
fair dinkum ive read some out and out driblle oin this forum and to be honest i expected if not better from you at least more objectivity.
oh and seeing as hes come off a shocker against essendon i will get in first and say yes hes had a howler.
for me we should aim for more well rounded players than thomas but he most certainly has outperformed most of the hacks.
id go as far to say he given us everything and more that we should have expected from a mature aged rookie selection. what the hell were you after gary ablett.
Nah what's a worry is people either refusing to read entire posts or latching onto only part of a post to try and back up their argument. Refuse to read any further debate between posters on the subject. And then for good measure throwing in a cheap little snipe because someone dares to disagree to with them.
And just on your last comment re Ablett. Er no I wasn't expecting Ablett but what I was expecting is that they would reward people on the rookie list who showed good form in the entire pre-season. The fact they promoted Thomas ahead of Miles was and still is a staggering decision. Why? because I think Miles offers more a lot more than Thomas both short term and more importantly long term. And despite the Clubs stubbornness to admit it; it was pretty clear pre-season
So finally we will agree to disagree, nothing more nothing less
Havent we been over this before, both Miles and Thomas had good pre seasons but Miles had a bad one just before the promotion decision.
I am fairly sure that no one on here definitively said at the time it was the wrong decision, in fact most posters were talking up Thomas's tackling and mongrel which he has lived up to.
The hindsight Helens on this forum are unbelieveable sometimes
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Just to go a bit further, I reviewed the start of the Anthony Miles thread.
And apart from the unbelievable and now funny posts from Jackstar bagging Miles as a bum, while people were saying that Miles should have been promoted, they werent saying it should have been over Thomas.
Just saying.
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griffiths, astbury and thomas killed it vs the drug cheats @ punt road on the eve of the season
miles i thought was on the bench a lot and under used that game
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griffiths, astbury and thomas killed it vs the drug cheats @ punt road on the eve of the season
miles i thought was on the bench a lot and under used that game
Miles did not play in that game. He played at Victoria Park with the seconds and was continually being rotated of the bench. It was shocking coaching that day.
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there was a miles looking kid definite playing on the bench alot
could of been ohnalon
i maintain thomas was outstanding consistently smashing drug cheats like a man possessed. was good to watch from close quarters
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The bigger q is why promote big o if they were never inclined to play him
Scary thought but I agree with you
Havent we been over this before, both Miles and Thomas had good pre seasons but Miles had a bad one just before the promotion decision.
I am fairly sure that no one on here definitively said at the time it was the wrong decision, in fact most posters were talking up Thomas's tackling and mongrel which he has lived up to.
The hindsight Helens on this forum are unbelieveable sometimes
Chuck, reckon you will find I am on record as saying they should have promoted Miles ahead of Thomas before the season started. So I haven't deviated from that view, others may have but I haven't :thumbsup ;D
Yes Thomas has mongrel, attacks a contest but his decision making and disposal are average at best. Matt Thomas is like a lot of other players on our list he is good when he plays within his limitations, sadly IMESHO he doesn't do it often enough, tries to do too much and it ends up hurting the team
Can I add his lack of 2nd efforts on Friday night in the chasing stackes (which is a strength of his BTW) espeically in the 3rd qtr before he got subbed were very disappointing ;D
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Thomas has been pretty good this year. I'd like to see him upgraded asap but until then the side needs his grunt. However , if puts in another game like he did on Friday night he should be dropped. In fact he was so poor that he may get dropped anyway.
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Thomas has been pretty good this year. I'd like to see him upgraded asap but until then the side needs his grunt. However , if puts in another game like he did on Friday night he should be dropped. In fact he was so poor that he may get dropped anyway.
I agree with this. I have always rated Miles over Thomas. I believe Miles has a greater upside with skills, speed and poise but this isn't a Thomas v Miles debate. Thomas wins the contested ball. We need as many strong contested players around stoppages as we can so unless we are swapping like for like Thomas should stay in the team. In saying that I would not be upset to see Jackson take his spot this week.
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Based on the Games I watched Miles play at GWS, I have been backing him since he was a chance for rookie selection. I actually thought GWS were crazy to delist him at the time.
In the which rookie should be promoted thread below I'm pretty sure gerks and I were the first to recommend Miles for promotion. FWIW, In this thread WP said nobody should be elevated before the club had time to assess how good they would be.
Miles by a Mile.
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Can I add his lack of 2nd efforts on Friday night in the chasing stackes (which is a strength of his BTW) espeically in the 3rd qtr before he got subbed were very disappointing ;D
Was his worst game for us and rightfully got subbed. Doesn't particularly scream favourite
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Can I add his lack of 2nd efforts on Friday night in the chasing stackes (which is a strength of his BTW) espeically in the 3rd qtr before he got subbed were very disappointing ;D
Was his worst game for us and rightfully got subbed. Doesn't particularly scream favourite
::) ::) did I say it did? No just highlighting one of his problems on Friday night.
You don't think he is a favourite, I believe he is for a whole lot reasons ;D
We are entitled to different opinions aren't we?
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Thomarse is shyte and should never have beed drafted, let alone been given senior games.
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Can I add his lack of 2nd efforts on Friday night in the chasing stackes (which is a strength of his BTW) espeically in the 3rd qtr before he got subbed were very disappointing ;D
Was his worst game for us and rightfully got subbed. Doesn't particularly scream favourite
::) ::) did I say it did? No just highlighting one of his problems on Friday night.
You don't think he is a favourite, I believe he is for a whole lot reasons ;D
We are entitled to different opinions aren't we?
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) No you didn't but you have said he is a favourite and gets games despite poor performances but when he actually has turned in a poo one he has been subbed out, but nice try at a deflection.
I always thought we were but you're the one seeming to take offence to me putting my opinion forward
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Thomarse is shyte and should never have beed drafted, let alone been given senior games.
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Thats not what you said before
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::) ::) ::) ::) ::) No you didn't but you have said he is a favourite and gets games despite poor performances but when he actually has turned in a poo one he has been subbed out, but nice try at a deflection.
I always thought we were but you're the one seeming to take offence to me putting my opinion forward
He's actually be subbed out in another game because of a poor performance but I'll let that one slide
Simply I am not trying to deflect anything. Which part of "I believe he is a favourite for a whole lot of reasons" is not an opinion, my opinion.
I believe IMO he got given games ahead of others when he wasn't playing great, just like a number of others did earlier in the year. People on here put those other players in the favourites category. I do the same with Thomas
That's my view based on as I said a lot of reasons. And no I will not be elaborating further because I reckon I've covered it enough over many threads.
That was my initial point at the very beginning. Claw argued that Thomas was getting games ahead of others because the others (read the kids) are obviously "duds" who werent' doing enough to get games. I wrote that Thomas along with a number of others who Claw deems as "duds" were getting games when we were playing crap while kids in the VFL were getting named in the best week after week got overlooked. That IMHO happened because Dimma was playing favourites. So I have said IMO Thomas was/is a favourite. I believe that and I stand by that opinion
Finally I am not taking offence to your opinion. All I am doing is debating a point with you. Isn't that what is supposed to happen on a forum? We don't agree (clearly). But you are taking the view that Thomas being subbed on Friday is justifiying he isn't a favourite. All I am saying is that based on what happened over the entire season he is.
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::) ::) ::) ::) ::) No you didn't but you have said he is a favourite and gets games despite poor performances but when he actually has turned in a poo one he has been subbed out, but nice try at a deflection.
I always thought we were but you're the one seeming to take offence to me putting my opinion forward
He's actually be subbed out in another game because of a poor performance but I'll let that one slide
Simply I am not trying to deflect anything. Which part of "I believe he is a favourite for a whole lot of reasons" is not an opinion, my opinion.
I believe IMO he got given games ahead of others when he wasn't playing great, just like a number of others did earlier in the year. People on here put those other players in the favourites category. I do the same with Thomas
That's my view based on as I said a lot of reasons. And no I will not be elaborating further because I reckon I've covered it enough over many threads.
That was my initial point at the very beginning. Claw argued that Thomas was getting games ahead of others because the others (read the kids) are obviously "duds" who werent' doing enough to get games. I wrote that Thomas along with a number of others who Claw deems as "duds" were getting games when we were playing crap while kids in the VFL were getting named in the best week after week got overlooked. That IMHO happened because Dimma was playing favourites. So I have said IMO Thomas was/is a favourite. I believe that and I stand by that opinion
Finally I am not taking offence to your opinion. All I am doing is debating a point with you. Isn't that what is supposed to happen on a forum? We don't agree (clearly). But you are taking the view that Thomas being subbed on Friday is justifiying he isn't a favourite. All I am saying is that based on what happened over the entire season he is.
Where did I say this was the only time?
Look I agree he had some average games but I just believe he wasn't the worst and there wasn't enough pressure from the lesser players for his spot. Yes there was some players in good form in the VFL but my point is that there was players much worse than Thomas who should of been gone first. I just disagree he is a favourite, maybe a little but not enough to save himself. When he came back from injury much to my surprise at the time he wasn't put straight into to team which is one of the reasons I don't think he is a favourite (Newman on the other hand which I know we agree on :thumbsup).
The debate is fine and we are both entitled to differing opinions but what isn't supposed to happen on a forum is a reply "We are entitled to different opinions aren't we?" as if I can't put mine forward in a way to protect your opinion from having people disagreeing with it.
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Where did I say this was the only time?
Look I agree he had some average games but I just believe he wasn't the worst and there wasn't enough pressure from the lesser players for his spot. Yes there was some players in good form in the VFL but my point is that there was players much worse than Thomas who should of been gone first. I just disagree he is a favourite, maybe a little but not enough to save himself. When he came back from injury much to my surprise at the time he wasn't put straight into to team which is one of the reasons I don't think he is a favourite (Newman on the other hand which I know we agree on :thumbsup).
The debate is fine and we are both entitled to differing opinions but what isn't supposed to happen on a forum is a reply "We are entitled to different opinions aren't we?" as if I can't put mine forward in a way to protect your opinion from having people disagreeing with it.
Fair point the highlighted bit
Though I thought the first time he missed injured (1 week) he came straight back in and the 2nd time he played just one game on the VFL. But stand corrected if I've got that wrong
Re the rest of your post = all good - take on board your comments :thumbsup
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Where did I say this was the only time?
Look I agree he had some average games but I just believe he wasn't the worst and there wasn't enough pressure from the lesser players for his spot. Yes there was some players in good form in the VFL but my point is that there was players much worse than Thomas who should of been gone first. I just disagree he is a favourite, maybe a little but not enough to save himself. When he came back from injury much to my surprise at the time he wasn't put straight into to team which is one of the reasons I don't think he is a favourite (Newman on the other hand which I know we agree on :thumbsup).
The debate is fine and we are both entitled to differing opinions but what isn't supposed to happen on a forum is a reply "We are entitled to different opinions aren't we?" as if I can't put mine forward in a way to protect your opinion from having people disagreeing with it.
Fair point the highlighted bit
Though I thought the first time he missed injured (1 week) he came straight back in and the 2nd time he played just one game on the VFL. But stand corrected if I've got that wrong
Re the rest of your post = all good - take on board your comments :thumbsup
You could very well be right I just remember the surprise (maybe relief) of him not coming straight back in ;D
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na the real worry is a bloke who refuses to acknowledge when a player is better performed than his own favorites.
understand this. matt thomas has earnt his spot unlike most. if you think thomas has underperfrmed so far you are deluded.yes he has his limitations and weaknesses. but if players stood up in the first half of the yr thomas was one of em.
fair dinkum ive read some out and out driblle oin this forum and to be honest i expected if not better from you at least more objectivity.
oh and seeing as hes come off a shocker against essendon i will get in first and say yes hes had a howler.
for me we should aim for more well rounded players than thomas but he most certainly has outperformed most of the hacks.
id go as far to say he given us everything and more that we should have expected from a mature aged rookie selection. what the hell were you after gary ablett.
Nah what's a worry is people either refusing to read entire posts or latching onto only part of a post to try and back up their argument. Refuse to read any further debate between posters on the subject. And then for good measure throwing in a cheap little snipe because someone dares to disagree to with them.
And just on your last comment re Ablett. Er no I wasn't expecting Ablett but what I was expecting is that they would reward people on the rookie list who showed good form in the entire pre-season. The fact they promoted Thomas ahead of Miles was and still is a staggering decision. Why? because I think Miles offers more a lot more than Thomas both short term and more importantly long term. And despite the Clubs stubbornness to admit it; it was pretty clear pre-season
So finally we will agree to disagree, nothing more nothing less
your a fine one to complain about people only reading what they want. pot kettle black. IVE SAID EXACTLY WHAT YOU HAVE on a lot of points but you have clearly not bothered reading posts.
we sure as hell disagree on thomas and his contribution to the side rdpecially early on.
you know you have on plenty of occasions given me short shrift. im offended you can complain about not reading entire posts when you clearly dont yourself.and take your own cheap little snipes.
i can handle you not liking me as a poster i just wish you would come out and say it.
just for the record like most i wanted miles promoted asap. i also had no problem with thomas being promoted. they both earnt a crack at it and im prepared to admit that unlike some eh.
so im not overly dirty on the club in this regard as both players were worthy upgrades.
the club obviously went with the bigger bodied more experienced player. which is exactly what they said they would do and recruited accordingly. so no there was nothing staggering about the thomas promotion he earnt it. so did miles and he also should have been upgraded or at the worst upgraded a lot quicker than we did. ive never said otherwise and if you took the time to read a persons posts you would know that.
im staggered you cant even acknowledge thomas contribution in the early part of the season or fail to see it.
my stance on thomas is like a few on here.
didnt want him recruited in the first place and was very vocal about that,if you read peoples posts ypou would know that. but once they took him we had to give him a chance.
i thought his preseason was good enough and he did enough to be promoted. like most i wanted miles upgraded in front of thomas but i could see why thomas got the nod. i will say again where we differ i suppose is both should have been promoted and thomas did earn a crack at it. imo our handling of the lti list was very poor.
i also differ on the fact that while thomas has weaknesses as you rightly point out. he was easily one of our better players in the first 10 games not that he played every game and not that every game was great.. and yes i agree in games he has turned the ball over far too much.but hes off set that to a good degree imo.
is matt thomas a long term keeper. no not imo but for now hes a better inside mid than just about every inside mid we have bar miles. so we will agree to disagree. it also says a bit about our player stocks.
look im not too keen to get into a slanging match with the bloke who runs the site there can only be one winner in that sort of exchange. so while you say we will have to agree to disagree we arent that far apart in reality with many points.
oh just to finish i dont rerad all posts on threads ive replied to the ones you have made to me. nothing more. so i dont get the anger at not reading the whole thread or your exchanges with other posters.
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The bald facts are that RFC use of the rookie list in 2014 has been an unparalleled success by anyone's estimation. No other club has had even half the number of games miles and Thomas have yielded,.....nice work tigers.........again :clapping
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:dancing we done it again
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Tigers turn to trusty, tough Thomas
richmondfc.com.au
September 1, 2015
“He’s within that 25-28 players we want to have training and available to play," Hardwick said.
“It’s just going to be a matter of circumstance whether Matt plays on a week-to-week basis. He knows that.
“But what I know is when I call upon Matt Thomas, he’s ready to go, which is what I love about him.”
Full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-09-01/tigers-turn-to-trusty-tough-thomas
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Brilliant the other night , has earnt himself a 12 month extension. Can't get that kinda impact at senior level from low paid )0 something draftees. Shrewd move by the Tigers,,,,,,again :clapping
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So shrewd
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Brilliant the other night , has earnt himself a 12 month extension. Can't get that kinda impact at senior level from low paid )0 something draftees. Screwed move by the Tigers,,,,,,again :clapping
Agreed now Bojo