Umpiring especially in that first half was pathetic today :banghead.
What about Pavlich's 50m penalty. Takes a mark sooks to the umpire and get 50. It was like watching Matthew Lloyd
And what about Simmonds having his mark (in front of goal btw) taken off him. The ball was within 5 metres and he only used his body (cause his arms were in the air) to bump his opponent sideways and yet he was free kicked. The saints ended up scoring a goal from that passage of play. Wonder if it made a difference to the score...hmmm let me see, no shot on goal for us and a goal for them - 12 point turnaraound in a game we lost by 1 points.
It's been archived into the same place as push in the back. I reckon that there were 3 or 4 direct goals scored from blatant frees not being paid.
I must have missed the memo that said the holding the ball rule no longer exists ???
Umpiring for both side was shockingThe rules comes from the top = Adrian Anderson :banghead. Too busy looking for soft ticky-touchwood frees off the ball and incidental contact rather than having the umps focus on the contest. Last night's umpiring display was a joke thanks to McBurney and today was no different.
no wonder with a idiot like Geoff Geishien running the umpires
fair dinkum umpiring in the AFL is at its worst
You can choose your friends but not your family, TM.
That one against Jackson was complete bs, he was halfyway in the tackle when disposal was made. Nothing in Jacksons tackle at all, stop stuffing with the game leave the rules alone, all it does is leave crappy rules and crappier interpretation. :banghead
The Swans' player who couldn't believe what the ump was making him do went over to the bag behind the goal, put the ball in one-handed and then grabbed the same footy back out of the bag :lol. Good on him :clapping.
"We'll be going back to the umpires department for interpretation. We'll just keep working with the umpires department till we've got a greater understanding."
http://www.theage.com.au/news/rfnews/tigers-opposed-to-new-penalty/2009/04/04/1238833226112.html
They showed the Jacko one on Before the Game. So you're now meant to stop a tackle halfway through ???.Yeah stupid thing to do but is worth another goal? They have a pile of footys sitting in a bag behind the goals so it is hardly time wasting and you have to wait for the ads to finnish on tv before they bounce the thing anyway. Maybe a free from the centre square?
Apologies to Kel. It was Luke who punched the ball away behind the goal. Very silly brain fade.
Let's not let the now "Old Chestnut" of hands in the back go under the radar..... have always said it is a stupid rule simple because the they miss as many as they give .... :bangheadSay it how it is, WP :clapping
In the final qtr ... Tiges 6 points up with all the momentum, Joel on the lead 30 mts out and not one but two hands in his back and the arms are a flappin "play on" 30 seconds later in the same area Jnr gets a free for a high takles that was below the shoulders..... :banghead :banghead
Geelong fans sitting behinds us start laughing "geez we were lucky Bowden should have Garny shouldn't have" ....
Bloody fantastic ... another goal to Geelong from a dodgy free
And let's not forget the throw to Johnson by junior in the last either
Look I don't believe in blaming umpires but struth some of the goals that Geelong got gifted yesterday were softer than Richmond were against Carlton the week before :banghead
all i will say is i hope that the umpires and gieshen all get their butt holes raped by a really prickly cactus
they cost us the biggest upset in footy history
Let's not let the now "Old Chestnut" of hands in the back go under the radar..... have always said it is a stupid rule simple because the they miss as many as they give .... :bangheadSay it how it is, WP :clapping
In the final qtr ... Tiges 6 points up with all the momentum, Joel on the lead 30 mts out and not one but two hands in his back and the arms are a flappin "play on" 30 seconds later in the same area Jnr gets a free for a high takles that was below the shoulders..... :banghead :banghead
Geelong fans sitting behinds us start laughing "geez we were lucky Bowden should have Garny shouldn't have" ....
Bloody fantastic ... another goal to Geelong from a dodgy free
And let's not forget the throw to Johnson by junior in the last either
Look I don't believe in blaming umpires but struth some of the goals that Geelong got gifted yesterday were softer than Richmond were against Carlton the week before :banghead
I was so spewing at the do-gooders on here bagging our players for doing silly things ::)
The umpiring was a disgrace and eff the letter of the law :banghead
Yes it was Moi and the worst decision (and most crucial) of the whole p-poor lot was the free and 50 paid against Jackson. Absolute disgraceful decision.
Tigers won the free kick count the cats won the game.That loss has done heaps for my confidence and i have no doubt the players as well. We match it with the cats for a 1/4, flogged them for the another! How many teams have gone in with 2 debutants, a first game club player with 7 games and kicked 8 in a quater against Geelong in recent history? Good on Tigers for trying to match Geelong and not playing flooding football or possesion :clapping It seems that the only football followers bagging our loss yesterday are Richmond supporters, the others are paying us respect
A LOSS IS A LOSS. whether its 85 points or 20.
not good enough richmond. They are mentally weak to let them win.
Tigers won the free kick count the cats won the game.Exactly how I feel Daniel- actually missed the footage of the game and was not interested when we lost. Mates have said it was an honourable loss- my view, it is a LOSS, not good enough. From reports in the press, Wallace feels the same as there apparently lots of noise from the coach directed at the players after the game. So there should be too. A loss is a loss in my book, no matter who we play.
A LOSS IS A LOSS. whether its 85 points or 20.
not good enough richmond. They are mentally weak to let them win.
A loss is a loss, that states the obvious! What you and Daniel are missing the point on is that a loss, a narrow one that is, can create momemtum. That 3rd quarter, and really the 2nd as well, showed how we can play. Mentally weak is a harsh call as they have bodies bigger than ours. Geelongs body language was puss poor compared to ours. You cant win every game, especially games against Geelong, so be postive as it character building to show foresight in times of trouble. It is mentally weak,as Daniel puts it, to be negative and self handicap. Truth be known, i would have taken 20 point loss before the game, o reckon a few others would have felt the sameTigers won the free kick count the cats won the game.Exactly how I feel Daniel- actually missed the footage of the game and was not interested when we lost. Mates have said it was an honourable loss- my view, it is a LOSS, not good enough. From reports in the press, Wallace feels the same as there apparently lots of noise from the coach directed at the players after the game. So there should be too. A loss is a loss in my book, no matter who we play.
A LOSS IS A LOSS. whether its 85 points or 20.
not good enough richmond. They are mentally weak to let them win.
The "12" point play was due to an awfull kick by king which went straight to Mooney.No wonder McGuane punched the ball in disgust.
A loss is a loss, that states the obvious! What you and Daniel are missing the point on is that a loss, a narrow one that is, can create momemtum. That 3rd quarter, and really the 2nd as well, showed how we can play. Mentally weak is a harsh call as they have bodies bigger than ours. Geelongs body language was puss poor compared to ours. You cant win every game, especially games against Geelong, so be postive as it character building to show foresight in times of trouble. It is mentally weak,as Daniel puts it, to be negative and self handicap. Truth be known, i would have taken 20 point loss before the game, o reckon a few others would have felt the sameTigers won the free kick count the cats won the game.Exactly how I feel Daniel- actually missed the footage of the game and was not interested when we lost. Mates have said it was an honourable loss- my view, it is a LOSS, not good enough. From reports in the press, Wallace feels the same as there apparently lots of noise from the coach directed at the players after the game. So there should be too. A loss is a loss in my book, no matter who we play.
A LOSS IS A LOSS. whether its 85 points or 20.
not good enough richmond. They are mentally weak to let them win.
They showed the Jacko one on Before the Game. So you're now meant to stop a tackle halfway through ???.Yeah stupid thing to do but is worth another goal? They have a pile of footys sitting in a bag behind the goals so it is hardly time wasting and you have to wait for the ads to finnish on tv before they bounce the thing anyway. Maybe a free from the centre square?
Apologies to Kel. It was Luke who punched the ball away behind the goal. Very silly brain fade.
I agree it is a stupid rule and the punishment is over the top as you say GR with the bag of balls and now the time before the next bounce extended to 45 seconds to appease the tv networks ::). But we know the rule, other players from other clubs have been pinged for it, and you just need to keep your head and discipline and not do it. Same goes for mouthing off at the ump. The modern mantra is don't give the umps even the slightest excuse to pay a free against you. What Lukey did just compounded King's error even it was just out of frustration.They showed the Jacko one on Before the Game. So you're now meant to stop a tackle halfway through ???.Yeah stupid thing to do but is worth another goal? They have a pile of footys sitting in a bag behind the goals so it is hardly time wasting and you have to wait for the ads to finnish on tv before they bounce the thing anyway. Maybe a free from the centre square?
Apologies to Kel. It was Luke who punched the ball away behind the goal. Very silly brain fade.
Browny called the punching the ball away rule "silly".
http://sportal.com.au/afl-news-display/tigers-blast-rule-68039
That one against Jackson was complete bs, he was halfyway in the tackle when disposal was made. Nothing in Jacksons tackle at all, stop stuffing with the game leave the rules alone, all it does is leave crappy rules and crappier interpretation. :banghead
l'm afraid to say that football is becoming a all time low with supporters as the AFL is changing the rules of the game every year & this putting alot more preasure on the umpires.
But in saying that there are 3 umpires out on that ground & they are getting the basic rules wrong! yes basic rules for holding the ball, dropping the ball, incorrect disposal, holding the man,
The AFL has made the game too fast for the umpires & a perfect example is the Garry Ablett handball which was a handball ruled as incorrect disposal.
Its about time the supporters started to picket the AFL doorstep & protest about the changing of rules constantly & leaving the game alone
make a sign & show it at the game, how you hate the AFL changing the rules & changing the game before its too late because many supporters are blaming the umpires.
All umpires make mistakes ues but these rule changes are made for no good reasons
Changing our game is changing the way the public enjoy it. l'm starting to not enjoy the game l'm watching compared to when l was younger the game was the best thing going round
Its time the supporters protested to the AFL to show them that we are the paying public & without our continue support the AFL would be still the enjoyable VFL & State of Origin would be still the biggest game apart from the Grand Final
Only downturn to what l said above is that l'm all for the AFL exspansion but since Demetriou & Anderson got onboard they turned it to $$$$$$ & greed. its simply not family football anymore. The present AFL $$$$ guys are in damage control & the umpiring & rules clearly show that
I'd take the mics off the umps as well.
I actually don't mind the time wasting rule, but the penalty is too harsh.There's no longer just one footy so the rule is out of date. I don't mind the free from the centre idea though. At least that diminishes the harshness of the current penalty.
Free kick from the centre circle would be suffice. If you do it on the wing after the ball has gone out of bounds you don't get a free shot at goal.
I don't want to see it taken away, i'd hate to be sitting in the crowd and have a sherrin knock out my front teeth after a player punches the ball into the crowd.Pies cheer squad won't have to worry about that ;D
Jeff Gieschen says 50m penalty that hurt Tigers was incorrect
Mark Stevens | April 08, 2009
THE AFL umpiring department has conceded Richmond copped a raw deal with the contentious 50m penalty against Daniel Jackson on Saturday.
Jackson was penalised under the new rule designed to deter players from slinging an opponent to the ground after he disposes of the ball. The penalty cost the Tigers a goal.
But after viewing all footage, including from behind the goals, AFL umpiring boss Jeff Gieschen has confirmed the tackle on Geelong's Joel Corey should have been penalised by a free kick only.
Jeff Gieschen says 50m penalty that hurt Tigers was incorrect
Mark Stevens | April 08, 2009
THE AFL umpiring department has conceded Richmond copped a raw deal with the contentious 50m penalty against Daniel Jackson on Saturday.
Jackson was penalised under the new rule designed to deter players from slinging an opponent to the ground after he disposes of the ball. The penalty cost the Tigers a goal.
But after viewing all footage, including from behind the goals, AFL umpiring boss Jeff Gieschen has confirmed the tackle on Geelong's Joel Corey should have been penalised by a free kick only.
Gieschen also confirmed a 50m penalty against Sydney forward Barry Hall on Saturday night under the same rule was also wrong.
After two rounds, the umpires have paid 14 50m penalties under the "sling" rule, with three deemed incorrect.
The Jackson decision brought the rule sharply into focus because Richmond had momentum in the third quarter and the resulting goal to Corey was a savage blow.
Gieschen confirmed he had spoken to Richmond coach Terry Wallace on the issue on Sunday and again on Monday.
"I guess Richmond would certainly feel aggrieved that the 50m penalty was applied," Gieschen said.
"It is not a free kick and 50 because it wasn't a tackle or sling to the ground after he got rid of the ball.
"It was a secondary action. It should have been a free kick where Jackson and Corey were or where the ball was, whatever was the greatest advantage to Geelong.
"Most people thought the decision was for the initial tackle. It wasn't for that.
"The tackle was fine, Corey got rid of the ball and the umpire called play-on.
"About three seconds after the ball had left Corey's hands, you hear the whistle go again.
"Other footage behind the goals showed Jackson on top of Corey pinning him to the ground, not letting him go. As it is a secondary action, a free kick only should have been paid."
Richmond has conceded five goals from 50m penalties this year, more than any other club.
Despite the 50m penalties under the new rule, the 50m penalty rate has not risen after two rounds. At this stage last year the umps had paid 53 - 45 for general offences and eight for abuse. This year, they have paid 53 - 49 general and four for abuse.
Gieschen backed the decision to penalise Tiger Luke McGuane for time-wasting when he punched the ball away after Cameron Mooney had kicked a goal, costing another third-quarter goal.
HEAVY PENALTY
Goals conceded from 50m penalties
Richmond 5
Fremantle 3
Collingwood 2
Sydney 2
Hawthorn 2
West Coast 1
Brisbane Lions 1
Melbourne 1
Western Bulldogs 1
Adelaide 1
All other clubs 0
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25305871-19742,00.html
the Geesh has as much of an idea about running the rules committee as he did as coach of our club.
absolutely NFI
the Geesh has as much of an idea about running the rules committee as he did as coach of our club.
absolutely NFI
He isn't even on the "AFL laws of the game committee"
NFI is quite correct.
Moron
Jeff Gieschen says 50m penalty that hurt Tigers was incorrect
Mark Stevens | April 08, 2009
THE AFL umpiring department has conceded Richmond copped a raw deal with the contentious 50m penalty against Daniel Jackson on Saturday.
Jackson was penalised under the new rule designed to deter players from slinging an opponent to the ground after he disposes of the ball. The penalty cost the Tigers a goal.
But after viewing all footage, including from behind the goals, AFL umpiring boss Jeff Gieschen has confirmed the tackle on Geelong's Joel Corey should have been penalised by a free kick only.
What the..... it deserved a free kick? Why? It should have been play on :banghead
anyway its old hat now cause the game is over so we move onto Bulldogs next gameAren't you related to the Giesh
So Geisch is saying fully tackling an opponent is no longer allowed in our game anymore and you have to stop half way through ???. How ridiculous can you get! :bangheadJeff Gieschen says 50m penalty that hurt Tigers was incorrect
Mark Stevens | April 08, 2009
THE AFL umpiring department has conceded Richmond copped a raw deal with the contentious 50m penalty against Daniel Jackson on Saturday.
Jackson was penalised under the new rule designed to deter players from slinging an opponent to the ground after he disposes of the ball. The penalty cost the Tigers a goal.
But after viewing all footage, including from behind the goals, AFL umpiring boss Jeff Gieschen has confirmed the tackle on Geelong's Joel Corey should have been penalised by a free kick only.
What the..... it deserved a free kick? Why? It should have been play on :banghead
Jeff Gieschen says 50m penalty that hurt Tigers was incorrect
Mark Stevens | April 08, 2009
THE AFL umpiring department has conceded Richmond copped a raw deal with the contentious 50m penalty against Daniel Jackson on Saturday.
Jackson was penalised under the new rule designed to deter players from slinging an opponent to the ground after he disposes of the ball. The penalty cost the Tigers a goal.
But after viewing all footage, including from behind the goals, AFL umpiring boss Jeff Gieschen has confirmed the tackle on Geelong's Joel Corey should have been penalised by a free kick only.
Gieschen also confirmed a 50m penalty against Sydney forward Barry Hall on Saturday night under the same rule was also wrong.
After two rounds, the umpires have paid 14 50m penalties under the "sling" rule, with three deemed incorrect.
The Jackson decision brought the rule sharply into focus because Richmond had momentum in the third quarter and the resulting goal to Corey was a savage blow.
Gieschen confirmed he had spoken to Richmond coach Terry Wallace on the issue on Sunday and again on Monday.
"I guess Richmond would certainly feel aggrieved that the 50m penalty was applied," Gieschen said.
"It is not a free kick and 50 because it wasn't a tackle or sling to the ground after he got rid of the ball.
"It was a secondary action. It should have been a free kick where Jackson and Corey were or where the ball was, whatever was the greatest advantage to Geelong.
"Most people thought the decision was for the initial tackle. It wasn't for that.
"The tackle was fine, Corey got rid of the ball and the umpire called play-on.
"About three seconds after the ball had left Corey's hands, you hear the whistle go again.
"Other footage behind the goals showed Jackson on top of Corey pinning him to the ground, not letting him go. As it is a secondary action, a free kick only should have been paid."
Richmond has conceded five goals from 50m penalties this year, more than any other club.
Despite the 50m penalties under the new rule, the 50m penalty rate has not risen after two rounds. At this stage last year the umps had paid 53 - 45 for general offences and eight for abuse. This year, they have paid 53 - 49 general and four for abuse.
Gieschen backed the decision to penalise Tiger Luke McGuane for time-wasting when he punched the ball away after Cameron Mooney had kicked a goal, costing another third-quarter goal.
HEAVY PENALTY
Goals conceded from 50m penalties
Richmond 5
Fremantle 3
Collingwood 2
Sydney 2
Hawthorn 2
West Coast 1
Brisbane Lions 1
Melbourne 1
Western Bulldogs 1
Adelaide 1
All other clubs 0
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25305871-19742,00.html
the Geesh has as much of an idea about running the rules committee as he did as coach of our club.
absolutely NFI
I like the Geesh, at least he was full of CRAP.:lol
Its the rules that are the problem.
If last night's game is any guide the umps have been told to put the whistle away this week after going overboard in the first 3 rounds ::). Maybe it's part of this umpire friendly round lol.
It's laughable isn't it. They introduce these new rules and interpretations, umps are told to go mad for the first few weeks and then when they see how farcical such a strict interpretation is they go soft and even ignore the new rules. See the holding on to the player after the ball has gone = 50m rule tonight. It doesn't exist. Adrian Anderson will then come out at the end of the season and state the new rules have been a success :wallywink. Having said that Bucks was right last night to say as a player you need to read and adjust to the umpiring on the day.If last night's game is any guide the umps have been told to put the whistle away this week after going overboard in the first 3 rounds ::). Maybe it's part of this umpire friendly round lol.
Bloody hell it was. Brown and Bradshaw couldn't buy a free kick for over the shoulder that the umpires were read hot on for the past three weeks.
Oh but sorry, I forgot, they don't change interpretations mid-week, right Geisch? ;D
Can someone explain what the free kick against Browny on the members wing was for when he didn't have possession of the footy?
It has no effect on the outcome of the game but there were some perplexing double standards with holding the ball decisions yesterday ???.
Can someone explain what the free kick against Browny on the members wing was for when he didn't have possession of the footy?
It has no effect on the outcome of the game but there were some perplexing double standards with holding the ball decisions yesterday ???.
Can someone explain what the free kick against Browny on the members wing was for when he didn't have possession of the footy?
It has no effect on the outcome of the game but there were some perplexing double standards with holding the ball decisions yesterday ???.
I can't remember the specific incident you're talking about MT.But then, I spent a lot of the day with my head in my hands,before leaving at 3/4 time. But what I would say is that there have been some perplexing double standards re: holding the ball and Richmond for several weeks now, at least. Cast your mind back to the North game. Or even the Saints game. The incidents that got my blood boiling yesterday were:
(1) When Tambling was tackled round the neck and pinged for holding the ball, right in front of Sydney's goals of course.
(2) When Moore was pinged for interfering with White in the goalsquare, when in fact it was clearly the no.18 who had slung him out of the contest.
Just in general play though, the umpires were applying the often-used "the split-second a Richmond player is tackled, it's holding the ball" rule.
what l dont understand is when we tackle & turn them in a complete circle thats holding the ball in my knowledge.
But when we get grabbed lightly its holding the ball.
alot of head high tackles went unrewarded also.
l watch every game every week & Richmond is the most poorly umpired side in the AFL & why l cant explain
Might have something to do with Geischen???
Might have something to do with Geischen???The day Geisch steps down as coach of the umpires will be a great day for umpiring. It's ridiculous that because of the criticism the umps copped over not putting a stop to Baker and Stevie Johnson early on in that game that this week we have the umps instructed to overumpire and stamp their authority on each game. The annoying thing is not so much the change itself but that no one is told about it - not the players, not the coaches and not the spectators. We have these hardened interpretations just sprung on us without warning.
Anyone thinking that the state of umpiring at AFL level is anything better than deplorable should have watched the game last night between Bulldogs and Hawthorn. The Hawks were slaughtered with terrible decisions - all going one way - and it is a credit to them that they still managed to get up and win. If they had lost it would have been a travesty of justice - the umpiring was just disgraceful and biased.
How about Osbourne's unrealistic attempt to mark...
He got his hands on the BALL!!!! :rollin
3 umps might find themselves in the bush leagues next week after last night's effort especially that second quarter. All we ask for is consistency guys :scream.
I hate that interchange rule but suck it up Freo as you got a dream ride most of the night from those in red.
They copped a serve from the crowd after the game! You can do it when you win.The half-time serve wasn't bad either lol. You could hear it getting louder and louder as they walked off and got nearer to the race.
A lot of factors went against us today the umpys at the start!Running 10m before getting tackled and dropping the ball is apparently not a free anymore ???
The proverbial will hit the fan after this weekend. You can't have goal umpires with clear view not seeing the ball clearly hit the boot from a metre out. 3 incorrect calls in two days :P.
The momentum of the game changed after it as well which makes it even worse.The proverbial will hit the fan after this weekend. You can't have goal umpires with clear view not seeing the ball clearly hit the boot from a metre out. 3 incorrect calls in two days :P.
Yep the Shannon Byrnes one in the third quarter tonight was just awful. The more we talk about the umpiring the worse the standard of it gets.
I didn't see much of Friday night's game (lost interest in it pretty quickly).
But my friend was telling me of an incident where Mitch Robinson ran at David Hille and head-butted him in the midriff, then went down like he was shot.
The scumpire then reported Hille, and of course gave Robinson the obligatory 50m penalty and goal. Bizarre if true.
I didn't see much of Friday night's game (lost interest in it pretty quickly).
But my friend was telling me of an incident where Mitch Robinson ran at David Hille and head-butted him in the midriff, then went down like he was shot.
The scumpire then reported Hille, and of course gave Robinson the obligatory 50m penalty and goal. Bizarre if true.
true
I didn't see much of Friday night's game (lost interest in it pretty quickly).
But my friend was telling me of an incident where Mitch Robinson ran at David Hille and head-butted him in the midriff, then went down like he was shot.
The scumpire then reported Hille, and of course gave Robinson the obligatory 50m penalty and goal. Bizarre if true.
Pinging Lids for the towel was a doozy ::). I know people will say don't give the umps a reason but whatever happened to the umps just warning players to settle down or risk a free against in a no fuss manner rather than going bang and making a mountain out of a molehill situation that had nothing to do with the play :-\.
The only thing needing a bigger clean up that the RFC is the umpiring assoc starting with the big turd at the top
half time in the adelaide game i stood there at the players race at half time and Geesh was standing there and asked him what the hell was going on with the umpring.A shame you didn't bump into him again after that game when we had won and said what's his excuse now.
If anyone can remember that first half it was pathetic, an absolute joke and he turned around and said to me "well maybe if you start winning games you wont need to complain" This is the man in control of the rules of our game. Give me a spell
The only thing needing a bigger clean up that the RFC is the umpiring assoc starting with the big turd at the top
half time in the adelaide game i stood there at the players race at half time and Geesh was standing there and asked him what the hell was going on with the umpring.
If anyone can remember that first half it was pathetic, an absolute joke and he turned around and said to me "well maybe if you start winning games you wont need to complain" This is the man in control of the rules of our game. Give me a spell
he himself brings the game into disrepute with his side kicks demetriou and Anderson.
The 3 biggest c.... to ever be employed by the AFL
mate there was some awful decisions at crucial points. Didn't lose us the game though...
i have a problem with tonights umpiring. i am saying no more coz i dont wanna get sued.
I have a big problem with it. I accept that our poot first half and poor kicking At goal were the primary factors why we lost, however, we were MURDERED on decisions that were and weren't paid for holding the ball and high contact.
Umpires clearly donot like Richmond & l be 100% sure 2 of them umpires were paid to favor Essendon :banghead
I thought they were going to crack down on players who came in and locked the ball to the player on the ground? last night the in the gold coast game the ump explained why one instance was a ball up - because the tackler dragged the ball in??
The real doozy was hearing the umpire drop the C word when he made one his many poor bounces for the night.
stuff those red and black idiots ducking their heads all through the first half.
Hands in the back anyone? ::)
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Pic thanks to bg25 :thumbsup
Did anyone see the Richmond player run 20 meteres in the last with a Bomber player holding the back of his jumper while he was running.
I couldn't believe the umpire didn't pay that.
ONE OF THE WORST DISPLAYS and we get alot more than most it seems.
Bomber players got the Veruca Salt treatment as per usual.
Gieschen thinks he is a Jedi Knight, "the decision was correct" (waves hand in front of face). The footage shows it was stuffing wrong. Wanker.
VIDEO: Here's Gieschen talking with Schwarz about the umpiring from the weekend games...
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/136596/default.aspx#embedvideoplayer
He discussed two frees from our game:
(i) Watson's copping high contact from Dea in the 2nd quarter - Giesch said Watson had no time to duck and had his head down over the ball so a clear free kick.
(ii) Maric's holding the ball and 50m - Giesch said Maric went to ground over the ball so it was then his duty to get the ball out; not the Essendon player.
Gieschen thinks he is a Jedi Knight, "the decision was correct" (waves hand in front of face). The footage shows it was stuffing wrong. Wanker.
...........
(i) Watson's copping high contact from Dea in the 2nd quarter - Giesch said Watson had no time to duck and had his head down over the ball so a clear free kick.
VIDEO: Here's Gieschen talking with Schwarz about the umpiring from the weekend games...
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/136596/default.aspx#embedvideoplayer
He discussed two frees from our game:
(i) Watson's copping high contact from Dea in the 2nd quarter - Giesch said Watson had no time to duck and had his head down over the ball so a clear free kick.
(ii) Maric's holding the ball and 50m - Giesch said Maric went to ground over the ball so it was then his duty to get the ball out; not the Essendon player.
So he's got to wrestle the ball back off the Essendon player who now has it and then dispose of it before the umpire decides to blow his whistle.
Rather than get to his feet with both hands in the air as he did to prove he didn't have the ball.
its not half obvious to see that gieshen is an inbred turd, his mum is also his aunty i bet and his dad also his uncle, look at him !!!!!
pretty simple really.
If your mother and father are brother and sister, then they are also your uncle and aunty.
happens all the time in small towns
its not half obvious to see that gieshen is an inbred turd, his mum is also his aunty i bet and his dad also his uncle, look at him !!!!!
I need to think about that, can you supply a diagram to help?
:lol
Could not even bounce the ball properly
I thought the Tigers supporters in my area were going to jump the fence and neck the umpire a few times. The only thing that probably stopped them was we were on level 2.
I thought the Tigers supporters in my area were going to jump the fence and neck the umpire a few times. The only thing that probably stopped them was we were on level 2.
Good old 3121 ;D
Reckon I might know a couple of them making the most noise :lol ;D
Umpiring was terrible - game was over umpired, they were inconsistent, and heavily favored the seagulls. We definitely paid our account in full for last week's favorable return.
I thought the Tigers supporters in my area were going to jump the fence and neck the umpire a few times. The only thing that probably stopped them was we were on level 2.
Good old 3121 ;D
Reckon I might know a couple of them making the most noise :lol ;D
Why 3121? I'm not 3121 and I sat there. I have premium plus and had the option of level 1 or 2 when selecting my Etihad reserve seat.
are the 3121 crowd the ones shouting "ball" every time the opposition even look like getting tackled?
I thought the Tigers supporters in my area were going to jump the fence and neck the umpire a few times. The only thing that probably stopped them was we were on level 2.
Good old 3121 ;D
Reckon I might know a couple of them making the most noise :lol ;D
I thought the Tigers supporters in my area were going to jump the fence and neck the umpire a few times. The only thing that probably stopped them was we were on level 2.
Good old 3121 ;D
Reckon I might know a couple of them making the most noise :lol ;D
Yep I was calling Dahlhaus tree hugger in 3121 on level 2 and was so pleased to see Gia kick a tough goal. ;D
Umpire 11 must have x-ray vision. Saw so many throws from the blind side. All of them against us. >:(
I usually give the umpires the benefit of the doubt and my obvious biased view but today the umpires were very ordinary. There was so many terrible decisions I couldn't believe that they were all simple mistakes. One decision where the umpire awarded a push in the back against Jack where he purposefully jumped over his opponent while he tackled him to avoid touching his back at all, was just ridiculous. Worst umpiring I've seen for quite some time :boxer
I usually give the umpires the benefit of the doubt and my obvious biased view but today the umpires were very ordinary. There was so many terrible decisions I couldn't believe that they were all simple mistakes. One decision where the umpire awarded a push in the back against Jack where he purposefully jumped over his opponent while he tackled him to avoid touching his back at all, was just ridiculous. Worst umpiring I've seen for quite some time :boxer
It was a shocker, I also noticed that that particular ump was very quick on his whistle against Jack, seemed to blow it the moment contact was made. Reckon jack peeed him off early and he was dishing payback all game.
60+ frees in a game of football is just wrong. Just pay the blatant ones and the game will be all the better for it.
BTW tiger from tas - do you still think the diving at peoples feet rule is a good rule? Its a joke and its 50/50 whether they pay it for too low or too high ;D
There was an incident in front of where i was sitting ,on the boundary line,where a bulldogs player was pushed hard against the boundary line by Maric ,and the bulldogs player in trying to break out ,went head first at marics legs, maric sensing what was going on flung his arms wide to show the umpire he wasnt involved...The umpire blew the whistle and awarded the bulldogs player a free...it was one of many absolutely absurd decisions
I usually give the umpires the benefit of the doubt and my obvious biased view but today the umpires were very ordinary. There was so many terrible decisions I couldn't believe that they were all simple mistakes. One decision where the umpire awarded a push in the back against Jack where he purposefully jumped over his opponent while he tackled him to avoid touching his back at all, was just ridiculous. Worst umpiring I've seen for quite some time :boxer
It was a shocker, I also noticed that that particular ump was very quick on his whistle against Jack, seemed to blow it the moment contact was made. Reckon jack peeed him off early and he was dishing payback all game.
60+ frees in a game of football is just wrong. Just pay the blatant ones and the game will be all the better for it.
BTW tiger from tas - do you still think the diving at peoples feet rule is a good rule? Its a joke and its 50/50 whether they pay it for too low or too high ;D
I like it when they DIVE. But when someone is standing up but putting their head over it fair play
I usually give the umpires the benefit of the doubt and my obvious biased view but today the umpires were very ordinary. There was so many terrible decisions I couldn't believe that they were all simple mistakes. One decision where the umpire awarded a push in the back against Jack where he purposefully jumped over his opponent while he tackled him to avoid touching his back at all, was just ridiculous. Worst umpiring I've seen for quite some time :boxer
It was a shocker, I also noticed that that particular ump was very quick on his whistle against Jack, seemed to blow it the moment contact was made. Reckon jack peeed him off early and he was dishing payback all game.
60+ frees in a game of football is just wrong. Just pay the blatant ones and the game will be all the better for it.
BTW tiger from tas - do you still think the diving at peoples feet rule is a good rule? Its a joke and its 50/50 whether they pay it for too low or too high ;D
I like it when they DIVE. But when someone is standing up but putting their head over it fair play
Incidental contact should never be paid in our game imo. If a player dives and takes out the legs of the other player with force, absolutely pull it up, but diving and seeing the player on his feet quickly shuffle a step or 2 to receive the contact is making the game a bit of a joke... And then to top it off we don't kno which way the umps will pay it ;D
...that, plus the way players put their head down and charge at the oncoming player to wear the high contact And players collapsing fwd at the slightest touch to get in the back are ruining the game as a spectacle and are all a result of rule changes from the rules committee.
people diving on the ball is nothing new. its been happening at all levels for as long as i can remember.
we also now have the umpires playing holding the ball if a player dives on, or drags in the ball while on the ground, and does not release it rugby style.
Umpiring has been despicable this year. Soft decision after soft dectision. It's destroying the game.
it doesn't help they keep mucking with the rules, particularly trying to develop a game where going hard for the ball is frowned upon. Although it seems that some like the spectacle of seeing players just hanging back hoping for a cheap free.
if you dive on the ball to kill it you are supposed to be pinged for holding the ball.
this new rule has blokes standing there hanging out of the contest, either unsure what to do or deliberately waiting for contact.
i doubt there would be too many people that enjoy seeing the ball constantly killed, but this rule, combined with the way the umpires often penalise the player who grabs the ball but has no chance to get rid of it is destroying the fabric of the game. it will soon be gaelic football
If they're waiting for any "appreciation" from me, on last night's effort they can hold their breath til they turn blue and asphyxiate. Words haven't been invented that can describe how much I DESPISE the lot of them, and their brain-dead boss Geischen (surely, a bitter, sacked ex-Richmond employee with a lifelong axe to grind. What other explanation can there be for the continual reaming we receive from these maggots, week in week out?) Last night's game was nothing more than an exercise in assuring a fairy tale result for Stevie.J and Corey. From the 20 minute mark of the 2nd qtr, until the point in the 3rd when (combined with losing our rucks) they just crushed every bit of resistance out of us with their continually one-way interpretations. I hope they all rot in hell.
If they're waiting for any "appreciation" from me, on last night's effort they can hold their breath til they turn blue and asphyxiate. Words haven't been invented that can describe how much I DESPISE the lot of them, and their brain-dead boss Geischen (surely, a bitter, sacked ex-Richmond employee with a lifelong axe to grind. What other explanation can there be for the continual reaming we receive from these maggots, week in week out?) Last night's game was nothing more than an exercise in assuring a fairy tale result for Stevie.J and Corey. From the 20 minute mark of the 2nd qtr, until the point in the 3rd when (combined with losing our rucks) they just crushed every bit of resistance out of us with their continually one-way interpretations. I hope they all rot in hell.
I felt your pain Rolls when I saw you on the big screen going off :thumbsup
I am fast losing interest in this game, is a joke of the highest order. Watched the adel hawks game earlier and that was a joke too. They have ruined the game, they don't want body on body. They want both players looking at the ball and jumping at the ball not worrying about their opponent. What ideological BS.
If they're waiting for any "appreciation" from me, on last night's effort they can hold their breath til they turn blue and asphyxiate. Words haven't been invented that can describe how much I DESPISE the lot of them, and their brain-dead boss Geischen (surely, a bitter, sacked ex-Richmond employee with a lifelong axe to grind. What other explanation can there be for the continual reaming we receive from these maggots, week in week out?) Last night's game was nothing more than an exercise in assuring a fairy tale result for Stevie.J and Corey. From the 20 minute mark of the 2nd qtr, until the point in the 3rd when (combined with losing our rucks) they just crushed every bit of resistance out of us with their continually one-way interpretations. I hope they all rot in hell.
I wonder if our complaining of last weeks umpiring turned them against us last night,because at one stage it was almost laughable.
Just watched the turnaround in the 2nd quarter again to see if my loathing of the maggots was justified.:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
1. 6 mins to go and Martin has just kicked his 2nd in a row to put us 19 up with all the momentum - we had won 8 of the last 10 centre breaks. Scrimmage from the ball up and Cotchin handballs just as he is tackled by Johnson. Johnson continues on with the tackle taking Cotchin and himself to ground in a Capt Obvious moment to take Cotchin out of the contest.
What should have been the outcome in a fair contest? A free kick for holding the man to Cotchin.
What was the outcome in Appreciation round? A free kick to Johnson for Cotchin remonstrating by holding Johnson around the neck while lying underneath Johnson on the ground and a goal to Geelong.
2. 5 mins to go and Vickery kicks to a contest on our forward flank. Taylor grabs the ball but is tackled legally by Riewoldt and illegally disposes of the ball. Taylor then remonstrates with Riewoldt by holding him around the neck and then rolling him over.
What should have been the outcome in fair contest? A free kick to Riewoldt for a. illegal disposal and b. around the neck/remonstrating and a shot on goal.
What was the outcome in Appreciation round? Play on into Geelong's forward line where the ball never left until a minute later decision #3.
3. 4 minutes to go and the ball is on the Geelong forward flank. First Vlastuin goes for the ball and get pushed in the back then it comes out to Cotchin who gets an even worse push in the back.
What should have been the outcome in fair contest? A free kick to Vlastuin or a free kick to Cotchin (the worst of the 2 decisions) and a kick into our forward line.
What was the outcome in Appreciation round? Play on deep into Geelong's forward line where Stokes to West for a goal.
4. 3 minutes to go and the ball is near the Geelong wing. Stokes gets tackled by Newman and illegally disposes of the ball. The ball bounces around and Selwood grabs it and is pushed by Vlastuin in a carbon copy of the 2 pushes described in decision #3.
What should have been the outcome in fair contest? A free kick to Newman and a kick into our forward line.
What was the outcome in Appreciation round? Play on to Stokes and a free kick to Selwood, short pass and a goal to Smedts.
And you know the worst part of it all is that the Queen Blowfly who breeds the maggots will come out in the press on Monday and say every single decision was the correct one.
4. 3 minutes to go and the ball is near the Geelong wing. Stokes gets tackled by Newman and illegally disposes of the ball. The ball bounces around and Selwood grabs it and is pushed by Vlastuin in a carbon copy of the 2 pushes described in decision #3.
What should have been the outcome in fair contest? A free kick to Newman and a kick into our forward line.
What was the outcome in Appreciation round? Play on to Stokes and a free kick to Selwood, short pass and a goal to Smedts.
Just watched the turnaround in the 2nd quarter again to see if my loathing of the maggots was justified.
1. 6 mins to go and Martin has just kicked his 2nd in a row to put us 19 up with all the momentum - we had won 8 of the last 10 centre breaks. Scrimmage from the ball up and Cotchin handballs just as he is tackled by Johnson. Johnson continues on with the tackle taking Cotchin and himself to ground in a Capt Obvious moment to take Cotchin out of the contest.
What should have been the outcome in a fair contest? A free kick for holding the man to Cotchin.
What was the outcome in Appreciation round? A free kick to Johnson for Cotchin remonstrating by holding Johnson around the neck while lying underneath Johnson on the ground and a goal to Geelong.
2. 5 mins to go and Vickery kicks to a contest on our forward flank. Taylor grabs the ball but is tackled legally by Riewoldt and illegally disposes of the ball. Taylor then remonstrates with Riewoldt by holding him around the neck and then rolling him over.
What should have been the outcome in fair contest? A free kick to Riewoldt for a. illegal disposal and b. around the neck/remonstrating and a shot on goal.
What was the outcome in Appreciation round? Play on into Geelong's forward line where the ball never left until a minute later decision #3.
3. 4 minutes to go and the ball is on the Geelong forward flank. First Vlastuin goes for the ball and get pushed in the back then it comes out to Cotchin who gets an even worse push in the back.
What should have been the outcome in fair contest? A free kick to Vlastuin or a free kick to Cotchin (the worst of the 2 decisions) and a kick into our forward line.
What was the outcome in Appreciation round? Play on deep into Geelong's forward line where Stokes to West for a goal.
4. 3 minutes to go and the ball is near the Geelong wing. Stokes gets tackled by Newman and illegally disposes of the ball. The ball bounces around and Selwood grabs it and is pushed by Vlastuin in a carbon copy of the 2 pushes described in decision #3.
What should have been the outcome in fair contest? A free kick to Newman and a kick into our forward line.
What was the outcome in Appreciation round? Play on to Stokes and a free kick to Selwood, short pass and a goal to Smedts.
And you know the worst part of it all is that the Queen Blowfly who breeds the maggots will come out in the press on Monday and say every single decision was the correct one.
Not hard to see why a couple of our players lost their cool.
cant sleep
every time i close my eyes i see umpires
gonna sue the afl
Is the dropping the ball rule even around anymore, or are they to busy watching for pushing in the side and sliding ::)
4. 3 minutes to go and the ball is near the Geelong wing. Stokes gets tackled by Newman and illegally disposes of the ball. The ball bounces around and Selwood grabs it and is pushed by Vlastuin in a carbon copy of the 2 pushes described in decision #3.
What should have been the outcome in fair contest? A free kick to Newman and a kick into our forward line.
What was the outcome in Appreciation round? Play on to Stokes and a free kick to Selwood, short pass and a goal to Smedts.
4. 3 minutes to go and the ball is near the Geelong wing. Stokes gets tackled by Newman and illegally disposes of the ball. The ball bounces around and Selwood grabs it and is pushed by Vlastuin in a carbon copy of the 2 pushes described in decision #3.
What should have been the outcome in fair contest? A free kick to Newman and a kick into our forward line.
What was the outcome in Appreciation round? Play on to Stokes and a free kick to Selwood, short pass and a goal to Smedts.
Yes, and that was the one where the intrusive and embarrassing Channel 7 cameras focused on me up and out of my seat, pointing the finger squarely at the green trickles of rectal discharge and chanting "bull$#*" repeatedly at the top of my lungs.
This is the one that I was seething over the most. Stokes had prior opportunity and chose to take Newman, loses and drops the ball. That's a free kick in any level of the game.
There was one I think I the third, Princess Selwood was tackled just after a center bounce... and he places, yes PLACES the ball on the ground.
Is the dropping the ball rule even around anymore, or are they to busy watching for pushing in the side and sliding ::)
Ive noticed it basically isn't around any more. Not just in Richmond games, in general they don't ay it any where near as much as they used to. It must be deliberate due to the speed of the game, they give players a lot more leeway with dropping it, but not with dragging it in.
I sit up the top so that I don't do this.cant sleep
every time i close my eyes i see umpires
gonna sue the afl
I get these strange feeling if watching on the TV sometimes.
I find myself looking at the crowd (irate richmond fan) and hoping someone will crack and run onto field and lose the plot at one of these green magg0ts. Im going to talk to a shrink.
we'd had FOUR free kicks for the game up until the 8:45 min mark of the 3rd qtr, Cats had already notched 14 :banghead
my stuffing head is still pounding with rage, but its like peeing in the wind with these cheating arseholes, they get away with whatever they like and laugh behind our backs for peeing us off
I found it.
Watched the replay and with 3:05 left in the second quarter Selwood gets the ball between wing and half forward for Geelong with Vlastuin hot on his tail, Selwood clearly throws the ball whilst falling forward probably deliberately.
Vlastuin who was in hot pursuit fell over Selwood unintentionally and got a blood lip or nose as a result.
Umpire gives a free kick to Selwood for in the back and Vlastuin had to go off with blood rule.
Selwood passes to Smetts and kicks a goal and they are 1 point behind us.
After the numerous non decisions that quarter that particular decision pushed me into a very dark place & I completely lost the plot, was ready to chuck it in or belt anyone that gave me any lip.
The umpiring is a joke.
I always shudder when the whistle blows in a 50-50 situation.
I found it.
Watched the replay and with 3:05 left in the second quarter Selwood gets the ball between wing and half forward for Geelong with Vlastuin hot on his tail, Selwood clearly throws the ball whilst falling forward probably deliberately.
Vlastuin who was in hot pursuit fell over Selwood unintentionally and got a blood lip or nose as a result.
Umpire gives a free kick to Selwood for in the back and Vlastuin had to go off with blood rule.
Selwood passes to Smetts and kicks a goal and they are 1 point behind us.
After the numerous non decisions that quarter that particular decision pushed me into a very dark place & I completely lost the plot, was ready to chuck it in or belt anyone that gave me any lip.
The umpiring is a joke.
Imagine what Graeme Richmond would have done to these Richmond hatin' fluro maggots?
I've always bemoaned when we get fixtured to play Geebung in Sleepy Hollow, because I've always assumed that it's the parochialism of the home crowd which sways the umpire's decisions against us there. While this is true, the problem is much, much deeper than that for us unfortunately. There is no such thing as reciprocation for us when we get to play them on the G. Far from pandering to a large and very vocal Richmond crowd, the umpires will go out of their way to rile us up. Sometimes, like on Saturday night, I truly believe that they get a sadistic kick out of it.
But generally, the truth is that they umpire to reputations. In their eyes, Geelong are (one of the) modern day champs, and we are the upstarts, and we must be kept in our rightful place. This has been happening to us for so many years against not just Geelong, but all the so-called power house clubs, that it has become ingrained in us as supporters to expect it. I always shudder when the whistle blows in a 50-50 situation.
The Catch-22 for us for so long has been, that to receive the same kind of preferential treatment afforded to the more successful clubs, we have to start knocking them off and become successful ourselves. But we have no chance of doing this when we cop umpiring like we did on Saturday night. Welcome to Groundhog Day -33 years and counting.
Hi Smasha. Are you the same Smasha who posts on PRE? That may sound like a dumb question, but there is (or was) a Rolls Royce who also posts there, and it ain't me. Either way, I admire your passion for the Tigers. We are RICHMOND -F***! the rest!
Hi Smasha. Are you the same Smasha who posts on PRE? That may sound like a dumb question, but there is (or was) a Rolls Royce who also posts there, and it ain't me. Either way, I admire your passion for the Tigers. We are RICHMOND -F***! the rest!
Given your nickname and avatar RR I take it you watched Open Mike this week?
Given your nickname and avatar RR I take it you watched Open Mike this week?
Yep! As you would gather from my sign-in name, Royce Hart is my all-time favourite Tiger. I'd already heard most of the stories he told on Open Mike, as they are part of football folklore. The only exception was the one about him chauffeuring Mal Brown to the Windy Hill brawl game in '74 as he was out injured that day. I really think he's long overdue for a statue outside the G. Gate 4, get on it MCC.
He was mine too. Had his number on my first ever jumper and was always Royce when I played the thousands of Rich v Carl or Rich v Coll grand finals in my back yard. Can't recall ever losing any of those games but Roycey Baby sure kicked a lot of goals after the siren that got us over the line! ;D:lol
He was mine too. Had his number on my first ever jumper and was always Royce when I played the thousands of Rich v Carl or Rich v Coll grand finals in my back yard. Can't recall ever losing any of those games but Roycey Baby sure kicked a lot of goals after the siren that got us over the line! ;D:lol
I used to play the same roleplay in my backyard except I was Michael Roach. Sometimes when the siren rang I would be 'too far' out from goal to score. In that instance I would also play the role of Bruce Doull arguing with the umpire (also played by me) who would then award me a 15m penalty, bringing myself within range. Everyone knows what happens after that.
Yes I remember that one and a few before that one. By the time Selwood got that free kick my woofa valve had blown and I'd completely lost all control of myself and tolerance for inept umpiring.I found it.
Watched the replay and with 3:05 left in the second quarter Selwood gets the ball between wing and half forward for Geelong with Vlastuin hot on his tail, Selwood clearly throws the ball whilst falling forward probably deliberately.
Vlastuin who was in hot pursuit fell over Selwood unintentionally and got a blood lip or nose as a result.
Umpire gives a free kick to Selwood for in the back and Vlastuin had to go off with blood rule.
Selwood passes to Smetts and kicks a goal and they are 1 point behind us.
After the numerous non decisions that quarter that particular decision pushed me into a very dark place & I completely lost the plot, was ready to chuck it in or belt anyone that gave me any lip.
The umpiring is a joke.
Go back about 20 secs prior to that MrT and have a look at the holding the ball that wasn't paid to Newman for his tackle on Stokes. The ball should never have got to Selwood in the first place. That decision was much worse than Vlastuin's in the back!
It must be a different rules interpretation tonight ::). Not bagging the umps in the Geel vs Ess match tonight as they have let the game go but last week we got pulled up for good tackles that may have slipped a fraction high 5 secs later :scream.
Just before 3/4 time, Carlisle retaliates at Motlop who goes to ground trying to suck the ump into giving a free. Tonight's umps too smart for that and just let it go but last week we had idiots umpiring the game :banghead so we copped two frees against for that (Cotch and Newy).It must be a different rules interpretation tonight ::). Not bagging the umps in the Geel vs Ess match tonight as they have let the game go but last week we got pulled up for good tackles that may have slipped a fraction high 5 secs later :scream.
Another good dropping the ball non-decision on Christenson in the first :banghead
THOUGHT they were terrible again today especially in the 1st quarter.
Well, I have to say it wasn't too bad. Looked pretty neutral.
Surprised tarpaulins could make that much noise.Laughed out loud with this post Spirit fingers. Funny poo.
i dont have too much of a problem with blokes who get collared as soon as they take posession getting some leeway, as long as they make an attempt to dispose of it, when they can.
what drives me beresk is when you see someone get wrapped up by two or three enemy and the ball is pinned in, and hear the silly turd in green saying they made no attempt. :banghead.
they just have no feel for game.
one classic yesterday was one of our blokes picked up the loose ball, got collared immediately and slammed to the ground in the tackle, only to hear the dopey prick say that he dived on the ball and pin him for holding the ball.
How can someone get something so wrong? I mean, truck me outta here.
i dont have too much of a problem with blokes who get collared as soon as they take posession getting some leeway, as long as they make an attempt to dispose of it, when they can.
what drives me beresk is when you see someone get wrapped up by two or three enemy and the ball is pinned in, and hear the silly turd in green saying they made no attempt. :banghead.
they just have no feel for game.
one classic yesterday was one of our blokes picked up the loose ball, got collared immediately and slammed to the ground in the tackle, only to hear the dopey prick say that he dived on the ball and pin him for holding the ball.
How can someone get something so wrong? I mean, truck me outta here.
Yes it was Jackson. He dived on it but the made every attempt humanly possible to get rid of it. The umpire then told him he dived on the ball and made no attempt! I'm not sure if he was watching the same game as the rest of mankind!i dont have too much of a problem with blokes who get collared as soon as they take posession getting some leeway, as long as they make an attempt to dispose of it, when they can.
what drives me beresk is when you see someone get wrapped up by two or three enemy and the ball is pinned in, and hear the silly turd in green saying they made no attempt. :banghead.
they just have no feel for game.
one classic yesterday was one of our blokes picked up the loose ball, got collared immediately and slammed to the ground in the tackle, only to hear the dopey prick say that he dived on the ball and pin him for holding the ball.
How can someone get something so wrong? I mean, truck me outta here.
Dan Jackson dived on it, got straight up then got tackled. If that's the one you're thinking of
Watching last night's game, the umps definitely went soft over the round. You could push an opponent in the side or front to your heart's content. Now this is the way the game should be umpired (ie. the game's let go) but it contradicts and makes a mockery of what Geisch and the rules committee have been saying in recent weeks.
Tonight, Shuey dumps Thomas off the ball after the ball has been kicked downfield (worse than what Newy did to Taylor Hunt) but no free paid. Just showing again the umps have gone soft since (or that we had an idiot for an ump that night).and every other night and afternoon
Green slime kept them in the game with some baffling decisions.The umps matched the standard of the game (ie. crap!). The other two field umpires had just 30 games experience between them.
What is too high? Ask Jako maybe 2 or 3 times.Becoming a regular issue in our games. Richmond players having their heads nearly ripped off yet it's play on :huh :huh3 :scream.
What is holding the ball because I have no idea anymore either?Neither do the umps. As WP said to me at the game, prior opportunity is just randomly paid now. Twice yesterday a Melbourne player was tackled and did a 360 yet the ump continued to flap his arms and call play on.
Sellar spun more than 360 degrees in a tackle and no free either!!
Sellar spun more than 360 degrees in a tackle and no free either!!
Then chucked it. Bloke doesn't know how to handball. He's a bigger rabble than Rabblebourne themselves.
Sellar spun more than 360 degrees in a tackle and no free either!!
Then chucked it. Bloke doesn't know how to handball. He's a bigger rabble than Rabblebourne themselves.
OH yeah the misses walked away at that stage I was raging so hard surprised the cops didn't turn up with pepper spray...find a happy stuffing place...Sellar spun more than 360 degrees in a tackle and no free either!!
Then chucked it. Bloke doesn't know how to handball. He's a bigger rabble than Rabblebourne themselves.
:lol
:lol pretty sure someone called the cops on me. Not my fault I can do a better job than these pricks from the grandstand :banghead :banghead :banghead :bangheadOH yeah the misses walked away at that stage I was raging so hard surprised the cops didn't turn up with pepper spray...find a happy stuffing place...Sellar spun more than 360 degrees in a tackle and no free either!!
Then chucked it. Bloke doesn't know how to handball. He's a bigger rabble than Rabblebourne themselves.
:lol
Watched the replay.
The third quarter was utterly shocking from an umpiring perspective. There was a period of a few minutes where Jackson was hit high three times in quick succession, none paid. Then Gysberts gets a soft high free kick. Shocking standard of umpiring. Geishen needs to take a leaf out of alcoholics anonymous - first step to resolving a problem is to admit you have a problem.
Is that the same maggot that screwed us against Geelong?Watched the replay.
The third quarter was utterly shocking from an umpiring perspective. There was a period of a few minutes where Jackson was hit high three times in quick succession, none paid. Then Gysberts gets a soft high free kick. Shocking standard of umpiring. Geishen needs to take a leaf out of alcoholics anonymous - first step to resolving a problem is to admit you have a problem.
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Watched the replay.
The third quarter was utterly shocking from an umpiring perspective. There was a period of a few minutes where Jackson was hit high three times in quick succession, none paid. Then Gysberts gets a soft high free kick. Shocking standard of umpiring. Geishen needs to take a leaf out of alcoholics anonymous - first step to resolving a problem is to admit you have a problem.
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Is that the same maggot that screwed us against Geelong?Watched the replay.
The third quarter was utterly shocking from an umpiring perspective. There was a period of a few minutes where Jackson was hit high three times in quick succession, none paid. Then Gysberts gets a soft high free kick. Shocking standard of umpiring. Geishen needs to take a leaf out of alcoholics anonymous - first step to resolving a problem is to admit you have a problem.
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Is that the same maggot that screwed us against Geelong?Watched the replay.
The third quarter was utterly shocking from an umpiring perspective. There was a period of a few minutes where Jackson was hit high three times in quick succession, none paid. Then Gysberts gets a soft high free kick. Shocking standard of umpiring. Geishen needs to take a leaf out of alcoholics anonymous - first step to resolving a problem is to admit you have a problem.
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It's the bum that screwed us in dreamtime last year along with Gordy Barrister
Is that the same maggot that screwed us against Geelong?Watched the replay.
The third quarter was utterly shocking from an umpiring perspective. There was a period of a few minutes where Jackson was hit high three times in quick succession, none paid. Then Gysberts gets a soft high free kick. Shocking standard of umpiring. Geishen needs to take a leaf out of alcoholics anonymous - first step to resolving a problem is to admit you have a problem.
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It's the bum that screwed us in dreamtime last year along with Gordy Barrister
Ah yes the kid in the schoolyard who was too geeky skinny weak and unpopular who would get bashed tackled and smashed into the ground be forced to sit at the front of the pack with a high ball coming in to have the speccy taken over him and who was picked last at lunchtime in schoolyard footy.
Now he is charge being an ump and retribution is dealt swiftly and harshly turning this schoolyard nerd into an AFL nerd. Still sucking up to the popular kids from Geelong and Essendon and Sydney and Collingwood looking for a free invite to a party some sweet Saturday night when mum and dad away on holiday for the weekend.
Watched the replay.
The third quarter was utterly shocking from an umpiring perspective. There was a period of a few minutes where Jackson was hit high three times in quick succession, none paid. Then Gysberts gets a soft high free kick. Shocking standard of umpiring. Geishen needs to take a leaf out of alcoholics anonymous - first step to resolving a problem is to admit you have a problem.
Watched the replay.
The third quarter was utterly shocking from an umpiring perspective. There was a period of a few minutes where Jackson was hit high three times in quick succession, none paid. Then Gysberts gets a soft high free kick. Shocking standard of umpiring. Geishen needs to take a leaf out of alcoholics anonymous - first step to resolving a problem is to admit you have a problem.
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The umpire in question has been of the same standard throughout his career. Consistently crap. When I see his name on the record I always know we are in trouble. Inept decision making is assured when this guy is umpiring.
As an interesting comparison I watched the first round of the Foxtel Cup last night - Norwood vs East Fremantle at AAMI Stadium on a wet Adelaide night. The umpiring was first class as they umpired to the conditions and the spirit of the game and I can't recall even one bad or controversial decision. And most noticeable was that they only paid a free if it was really there, no tiggy touchwood or highly technical crap just a free was a free was a free. A breath of fresh air to see a game umpired the way it should be umpired and they put their more highly regarded compatriots to shame.lack of influence from that fool geish would have something to do with that.
Best umpires game we have had all year, umps have thrown out gooses rule book and gone back to common sense umpiring:clapping instead we were the incompetent ones.
Best umpires game we have had all year, umps have thrown out gooses rule book and gone back to common sense umpiring:clapping instead we were the incompetent ones.
Best umpires game we have had all year, umps have thrown out gooses rule book and gone back to common sense umpiring:clapping instead we were the incompetent ones.
Yep, from an old fashioned umpire basher they were the least of our problems- the game was well umpired tonight.
Preferred tonight but two things left me scratching my head
1. Jack being called a mark then ball up. Yes it was touched but Jack's a smart player and would of kept that ball moving instead of standing there and giving Carlisle an easy tackle stat. Umpire just needed to make up his mind and keep it one way.
2. "Play on if you want". :banghead :banghead :banghead I wouldn't have a clue what that means if I was out there.
Preferred tonight but two things left me scratching my head
1. Jack being called a mark then ball up. Yes it was touched but Jack's a smart player and would of kept that ball moving instead of standing there and giving Carlisle an easy tackle stat. Umpire just needed to make up his mind and keep it one way.
2. "Play on if you want". :banghead :banghead :banghead I wouldn't have a clue what that means if I was out there.
Did this really happen? Dear God.
Wtf is going on today, terrible umpiring
Wtf is going on today, terrible umpiring
Deliberate OOB's back in fashion today. High tackles for soft touches. Play on as soon as a sideways step is taken. Wonderfully consistent, these maggots. Must be pay back for Dimma making noise about the heads-up call the maggots gave Golden Boy pre-Dreamtime.
Wtf is going on today, terrible umpiring
Deliberate OOB's back in fashion today. High tackles for soft touches. Play on as soon as a sideways step is taken. Wonderfully consistent, these maggots. Must be pay back for Dimma making noise about the heads-up call the maggots gave Golden Boy pre-Dreamtime.
Newys was shocking, came off the edge of his boot while getting tackled
Should Tur these umpires to a tree, spread honey on their vaginas and let the animals go wild!
Should Tur these umpires to a tree, spread honey on their vaginas and let the animals go wild!
Sounds hot. Can I watch?
There was one decision early in the game that was just awful.A Richmond player kicked the ball 30 metres down the line ,the ball dribbled out and the umpire paid deliberate..it was just the worst decisionThere were 3 if I remember correctly. 2 against us and 1 Adelaide call. When the Adelaide (our way) decision was made the Richmond crowd laughed so much that I'm sure the Ump was embarrassed into resisting any more temptation :lol
I reckon we(the crowd ) gave the ump so much crap for the crows decisions,we sucked him in for the Richmond one..or is that just wishfull thinking..lolI reckon you are spot on :thumbsup
There was one decision early in the game that was just awful.A Richmond player kicked the ball 30 metres down the line ,the ball dribbled out and the umpire paid deliberate..it was just the worst decision
Some bloody shockers today.
The holds on Cotchin when he was playing as a high half forward were as obvious as dogs balls
Some bloody shockers today.
The holds on Cotchin when he was playing as a high half forward were as obvious as dogs balls
That one in the third quarter was a shocker.
Then the Crows got s string of cheapies culminating in Jenkins missing only for Maric to take a pack mark that was paid a free to Adelaide only for it to be reversed for off the ball shepherding to us 30 metres away.
The umps have reached a new low.
We can blame Geische all we like and that is fair but AA is the malaka who initiated all these malakia changes in his time at the AFLin the first place.
Malakes. :help
LMAO...... until i get an mental image of geish in his gimp suit, complete with the ball gag.Should Tur these umpires to a tree, spread honey on their vaginas and let the animals go wild!
Sounds hot. Can I watch?
Absolutely, Geisch will be wearing the g*** outfit
Simon Meredith (Ump no.21) receiving a lot of "appreciation" from us Tiger supporters :lolLol who is that dero in the white hat :shh :rollin
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The media are now saying Giesch didn't choose to go on a midseason 'holiday'; it was enforced by the powers that be. Giesch = gonski! :yep
I like the conflicted kid in a Sydney jumper and a Tigers cap ... C'mon son you know you want too !!Simon Meredith (Ump no.21) receiving a lot of "appreciation" from us Tiger supporters :lolLol who is that dero in the white hat :shh :rollin
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I like the conflicted kid in a Sydney jumper and a Tigers cap ... C'mon son you know you want too !!Simon Meredith (Ump no.21) receiving a lot of "appreciation" from us Tiger supporters :lolLol who is that dero in the white hat :shh :rollin
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Risk both - Head & Shin
Can't believe that idiot reported Martin.
Discussing !!!
the umpire call on the Griffiths play on in the last quarter was a disgrace and nearly caused the kid a serious leg injury
the umpire call on the Griffiths play on in the last quarter was a disgrace and nearly caused the kid a serious leg injury. the club should actually make a deal about this particular decision because it could have cost the kid his career. it was disgraceful decision although it wasnt the only one. the blooz had the umpiring with them last night.
We got mauled and everything Waite got away with we got pinged for. There were some dead set howlers. Haven't seen the replay so might be missing something but what about when Hampson got busted for shepherding in the ruck... when he was the ruckman... and Warnock proceeded to jump on him.The umpiring was a disgrace but that was a free kick. Griff stepped straight into him and wasn't looking at the ball.
Did you see Petterd have a crack at Yarran for being a weak dog?the umpire call on the Griffiths play on in the last quarter was a disgrace and nearly caused the kid a serious leg injury
That was a howler ! I thought the worst one was in the last minutes when Carlton kicked out poorly after a point and Petterd got done for holding or some crap. That cost us a goal at a vital stage.
Did you see Petterd have a crack at Yarran for being a weak dog?
We got mauled and everything Waite got away with we got pinged for. There were some dead set howlers. Haven't seen the replay so might be missing something but what about when Hampson got busted for shepherding in the ruck... when he was the ruckman... and Warnock proceeded to jump on him.The umpiring was a disgrace but that was a free kick. Griff stepped straight into him and wasn't looking at the ball.
It was a howler. Griff was standing under the ball with hands up and Warnock just jumped straight into him without even raising his arms. The umpire was sucked in.We got mauled and everything Waite got away with we got pinged for. There were some dead set howlers. Haven't seen the replay so might be missing something but what about when Hampson got busted for shepherding in the ruck... when he was the ruckman... and Warnock proceeded to jump on him.The umpiring was a disgrace but that was a free kick. Griff stepped straight into him and wasn't looking at the ball.
It was a howler. Griff was standing under the ball with hands up and Warnock just jumped straight into him without even raising his arms. The umpire was sucked in.We got mauled and everything Waite got away with we got pinged for. There were some dead set howlers. Haven't seen the replay so might be missing something but what about when Hampson got busted for shepherding in the ruck... when he was the ruckman... and Warnock proceeded to jump on him.The umpiring was a disgrace but that was a free kick. Griff stepped straight into him and wasn't looking at the ball.
Think it was there to be honest. SImply because Griff was looking at the man and not the ball. But then again maybe you're allowed to stand in the way and look at the man when you're the ruckman. Don't know.Yep. If he hadn't of looked at him he would have been ok. The fact the ball went behind Griff and he went the other way to block Warnock didn't help.
We won
Think it was there to be honest. SImply because Griff was looking at the man and not the ball. But then again maybe you're allowed to stand in the way and look at the man when you're the ruckman. Don't know.
We won
It was a howler. Griff was standing under the ball with hands up and Warnock just jumped straight into him without even raising his arms. The umpire was sucked in.We got mauled and everything Waite got away with we got pinged for. There were some dead set howlers. Haven't seen the replay so might be missing something but what about when Hampson got busted for shepherding in the ruck... when he was the ruckman... and Warnock proceeded to jump on him.The umpiring was a disgrace but that was a free kick. Griff stepped straight into him and wasn't looking at the ball.
It was a howler. Griff was standing under the ball with hands up and Warnock just jumped straight into him without even raising his arms. The umpire was sucked in.We got mauled and everything Waite got away with we got pinged for. There were some dead set howlers. Haven't seen the replay so might be missing something but what about when Hampson got busted for shepherding in the ruck... when he was the ruckman... and Warnock proceeded to jump on him.The umpiring was a disgrace but that was a free kick. Griff stepped straight into him and wasn't looking at the ball.
Griff eyes off the ball = free kick I'm afraid. Umpy got it right
Surely as the designated Ruck you are allowed to take position and hold it, especially as it was a position that would allow him to tap the ball.It was a howler. Griff was standing under the ball with hands up and Warnock just jumped straight into him without even raising his arms. The umpire was sucked in.We got mauled and everything Waite got away with we got pinged for. There were some dead set howlers. Haven't seen the replay so might be missing something but what about when Hampson got busted for shepherding in the ruck... when he was the ruckman... and Warnock proceeded to jump on him.The umpiring was a disgrace but that was a free kick. Griff stepped straight into him and wasn't looking at the ball.
Griff eyes off the ball = free kick I'm afraid. Umpy got it right
Correct the umpire had that one right
Surely as the designated Ruck you are allowed to take position and hold it, especially as it was a position that would allow him to tap the ball.It was a howler. Griff was standing under the ball with hands up and Warnock just jumped straight into him without even raising his arms. The umpire was sucked in.We got mauled and everything Waite got away with we got pinged for. There were some dead set howlers. Haven't seen the replay so might be missing something but what about when Hampson got busted for shepherding in the ruck... when he was the ruckman... and Warnock proceeded to jump on him.The umpiring was a disgrace but that was a free kick. Griff stepped straight into him and wasn't looking at the ball.
Griff eyes off the ball = free kick I'm afraid. Umpy got it right
Correct the umpire had that one right
Show me were in the rule book it states that you have to have your eyes n the ball at all times when getting position for a ruck duel.
You can't because it doesn't exist!
Crap decision.
The AFL rule book? :shhSurely as the designated Ruck you are allowed to take position and hold it, especially as it was a position that would allow him to tap the ball.It was a howler. Griff was standing under the ball with hands up and Warnock just jumped straight into him without even raising his arms. The umpire was sucked in.We got mauled and everything Waite got away with we got pinged for. There were some dead set howlers. Haven't seen the replay so might be missing something but what about when Hampson got busted for shepherding in the ruck... when he was the ruckman... and Warnock proceeded to jump on him.The umpiring was a disgrace but that was a free kick. Griff stepped straight into him and wasn't looking at the ball.
Griff eyes off the ball = free kick I'm afraid. Umpy got it right
Correct the umpire had that one right
Show me were in the rule book it states that you have to have your eyes n the ball at all times when getting position for a ruck duel.
You can't because it doesn't exist!
Crap decision.
which rule book have you been reading. ;D
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The AFL rule book? :shh
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The AFL rule book? :shh
show us the page about Ruck contest ;D
Yeah but they do in other aspects such as when running back with the flight of the ball, if a player takes his eyes off the ball and looks at his man, even the slightest contact gets paid, whereas if the player just watches the ball the whole time, he usually gets away with it. I don't know if its a written law or not, but its definitely part of the interpretation. They probably used this when paying that freeThe difference with what you you have put up is that the umpire makes a decision after the contest has occurred and can judge if the player went for the ball or not (i.e. he may never looked at the ball at all).
The AFL rule book? :shh
which rule book have you been reading. ;D
CAUGHT BY SURPRISEi must admit I was gobsmacked at the ground. Couldn't understand why the umpire blue the whistle....
He was hardly the only person on the field to make an error on Thursday night, but a rush of blood by a field umpire in the dying minutes of Richmond’s narrow win against Carlton could have had drastic consequences.
Tiger Ben Griffiths latched on to a scrambled Bryce Gibbs kick into the Carlton forward 50 and went back to take his kick as the Tigers clung to an eight-point lead. Barely two seconds had elapsed before the umpire waved play-on and a blindsided Griffiths was mowed down by Jeff Garlett.
The ball spilled free and Jarrad Waite took a flying shot at goal but missed — not for the first time that night.
Griffiths was clearly stiff, especially since Garlett was no more than a metre or two away when the umpire waved his arms — an offence that would have drawn a 50m penalty last year.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/if-you-dont-mind-umpire-the-most-controversial-calls-of-afl-round-2/story-e6frf3e3-1226869913369
i must admit I was gobsmacked at the ground. Couldn't understand why the umpire blue the whistle....
An easy explanation! :loli must admit I was gobsmacked at the ground. Couldn't understand why the umpire blue the whistle....
because he's a ****
pretty easy to understand most of their decisions when you take that into account
CAUGHT BY SURPRISE
He was hardly the only person on the field to make an error on Thursday night, but a rush of blood by a field umpire in the dying minutes of Richmond’s narrow win against Carlton could have had drastic consequences.
Tiger Ben Griffiths latched on to a scrambled Bryce Gibbs kick into the Carlton forward 50 and went back to take his kick as the Tigers clung to an eight-point lead. Barely two seconds had elapsed before the umpire waved play-on and a blindsided Griffiths was mowed down by Jeff Garlett.
The ball spilled free and Jarrad Waite took a flying shot at goal but missed — not for the first time that night.
Griffiths was clearly stiff, especially since Garlett was no more than a metre or two away when the umpire waved his arms — an offence that would have drawn a 50m penalty last year.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/if-you-dont-mind-umpire-the-most-controversial-calls-of-afl-round-2/story-e6frf3e3-1226869913369
we had a fair run from the umps today. no complaints from me. its a mans game not a game for panzies.
we had a fair run from the umps today. no complaints from me. its a mans game not a game for panzies.
Don't pay a free kick for rapeWe are crapier than the umpires. Much worse in fact.
Instead, say "watch your holds".
Mind blowingly good umpiring
they weren't very nice to us, but we got reamed anyway
Hard wick should've lost iit about Maccafer's scragging last night. Soft %#*!
Yep it's a campaign against us from League Headquarters since 1980.Agreed well said. :lol :lol
They have been against us since Raines got 0 votes in the Brownlow in 1980.
Has coincided with our decline.
Our teams are great but the umpiring standards are deplorable and hence our lowly position. :whistle
Why doesn't he use a taggerHe does. It just seems like it because even our taggers are poo.
Ablett
Yarren
McRae
Penders
:banghead
Maybe not - but if rape is not. Free kick
Why don't we do the same to the opposition strongest player
What happens to cotchin
Yep noone gets in the face of the opposition. Noone. We don't grind anyone into dust we just leave a pathway for them to get back into the game.Jake King was that type of agressor but the club told him he was a naughty boy, so he had to join a biker club as to appease that natural agressive instinct that tigeritis sucks the life out of.
Noone prepared to push the boundaries or encourage someone to do so.
Every team has a player you love to hate. Except us.
We have players that people laugh at. Vanilla types. Blokes who just simply cruise through the game in exactly the same way whether we are well up or down. Lamentably too many of these types and not enough blokes bucking the trend to show initiative and put the hand up to take responsibility.
We are the politically correct footy club. Non controversial and therefore non relevant.
Everyone gets a prize. The Jack Dyer Medal count will be postponed because all players deserve to win it. It's not about winning its about everyone wanting to play in the centre, FF, Wing etc and everyone plays the same amount of time. Its about participating and fostering happy kids playing footy.
Next week RFC will be playing Aus Kick because blokes like Ty don't want to play under the spotlight and the Aus Kick kids will be playing for us because we want to share the joy. Welcome to the Under 10's or more commonly known as the RFC.
Maybe not - but if rape is not. Free kick
Why don't we do the same to the opposition strongest player
What happens to cotchin
Mentally weak we don't retaliate. We simply play nice. We don't hunt we get hunted and once the trend of the game is set the pattern does not change unless the opposition change it.
Mentally weak and pea hearted bunch.
Has been hapenning for 30 odd years.
Haven't bashed anyone since the 70's just ask those who gleefully smashed Vin Waite, Nicholls and co at Carlton. Now we are just happy to cop it and move in. The less scrutiny on our deficiencies the better rather than try to improve on our image. Welcome to another cycle of skata.
Umpire 29 is Corrupt :banghead Geelong player clearly holding the Richmond players jumper right in front of himI think he is due to turn into a fly soon and hopefully fly away.... :whistle
First quarter and half of the second, the umpiring was suss as almighty stuff, it didn't matter if we tackled them to the ground after they had the ball for five stuffing minutes and they dropped it after the tackle, it was just play on. If we touched the ball and they grabbed us it was a tackle.
The decision against rance on Hawkins was a bloody disgrace , was a textbook spoil, and against cotch taking the knees out, he was already on the bleedin ground the silly idiot :banghead
the greatest indictment on how the umps treat players differently could be seen when the umpire went to selwood and pointed out the blood on his forehead, selwood made a token effort to wipe it, but all that did was smudge it, but still allow him to stay on.
simply amazing.
the selwoods must swallow, for sure
Really hope our guys have revisited the holding the ball rule this week. I think against North it was the most times I can remember one team pinged continually for holding the ball, I think we only caught them once. Either we are doing something horribly wrong or our interpretation is way different to the umpires. From what I could see some looked almost identical where we were pinged and North were not, very frustrating for the players and supporters.
Have been ok with the way the umpiring has been this year.
Have liked the way the game has been allowed to flow.
The umpiring is the least of our problems.
Have been ok with the way the umpiring has been this year.
Have liked the way the game has been allowed to flow.
The umpiring is the least of our problems.
Have been ok with the way the umpiring has been this year.
Have liked the way the game has been allowed to flow.
The umpiring is the least of our problems.
So I'll ask you then , how can there be 51 free kicks paid in Sunday night's game and then only 18 paid in a game the following day ? We are playing the same game. AFL football.
The fact that JR got punched in the face and there was no MRP review of the incident pretty much says it all.
Have been ok with the way the umpiring has been this year.
Have liked the way the game has been allowed to flow.
The umpiring is the least of our problems.
So I'll ask you then , how can there be 51 free kicks paid in Sunday night's game and then only 18 paid in a game the following day ? We are playing the same game. AFL football.
They follow the rules more duh :help
The fact that JR got punched in the face and there was no MRP review of the incident pretty much says it all.
Thompson got a reprimand so it did get looked at
Have been ok with the way the umpiring has been this year.
Have liked the way the game has been allowed to flow.
The umpiring is the least of our problems.
So I'll ask you then , how can there be 51 free kicks paid in Sunday night's game and then only 18 paid in a game the following day ? We are playing the same game. AFL football.
Questionaire for the umps tonight.
What's holding the ball? ::)
What's a mark? ::)
Pretty happy we didn't win. Too late fir meaningless wins and it's all about 2015 now
Think l have just seen the worst umpiring in VFL / AFL history.not allowed to complain about the umps. could get fined
If the Richmond Football Club don't put in a Official complaint against the umpiring in that game then they got no balls to except that type of rubbish. That clearly cost us the game
Pretty happy we didn't win. Too late fir meaningless wins and it's all about 2015 now
we'll win our next 3
Think l have just seen the worst umpiring in VFL / AFL history.
If the Richmond Football Club don't put in a Official complaint against the umpiring in that game then they got no balls to except that type of rubbish. That clearly cost us the game
Think l have just seen the worst umpiring in VFL / AFL history.
If the Richmond Football Club don't put in a Official complaint against the umpiring in that game then they got no balls to except that type of rubbish. That clearly cost us the game
Free kicks.
Rich 18 / Syd 16
They were screwed just as much as us if not worse.
It's not why we lost!
You sound as delusional as Hardwick.Think l have just seen the worst umpiring in VFL / AFL history.
If the Richmond Football Club don't put in a Official complaint against the umpiring in that game then they got no balls to except that type of rubbish. That clearly cost us the game
Free kicks.
Rich 18 / Syd 16
They were screwed just as much as us if not worse.
It's not why we lost!
Holding the ball to the man
Umpire watching the ball clearly out of bounds they kick a goal
2 goal directly kicked by the umpires
Deledio mark was clearly & not paid
They have stacks on us & we get pinned but only once they got pinned
clearly this cost us the game as our heads dropped
Think l have just seen the worst umpiring in VFL / AFL history.
If the Richmond Football Club don't put in a Official complaint against the umpiring in that game then they got no balls to except that type of rubbish. That clearly cost us the game
Free kicks.
Rich 18 / Syd 16
They were screwed just as much as us if not worse.
It's not why we lost!
Holding the ball to the man
Umpire watching the ball clearly out of bounds they kick a goal
2 goal directly kicked by the umpires
Deledio mark was clearly & not paid
They have stacks on us & we get pinned but only once they got pinned
clearly this cost us the game as our heads dropped
Even my Richmond hating mates (including a Swans supporter) reckons we got shaftedNo one hates Richmond anymore.
Even my Richmond hating mates (including a Swans supporter) reckons we got shaftedNo one hates Richmond anymore.
They feel sorry for us that why we're everyone's second team now.
Heard wayne campbell on the radio yesterday and he was asked about the the ellis decision, where the tackler was pinning the ball to him while he had his hands no where near it.
claimed it was a correct decision as Ellis didn't attempt to dispose of the ball :huh
He never explained how you dispose of the ball when you dont actually have hold of it, but did say that if his life had depended on it he would have done more to get the ball free :huh3
What I don't understand is say for example with the Ellis decision if he hasn't got his hands on the ball but the opposition player does then isn't it the opposition player's responsibility to get the ball out. I thought they were bringing a rule in whereby players were pinged for pulling the ball back in after a player legitimately tried to get the ball out.Heard wayne campbell on the radio yesterday and he was asked about the the ellis decision, where the tackler was pinning the ball to him while he had his hands no where near it.
claimed it was a correct decision as Ellis didn't attempt to dispose of the ball :huh
He never explained how you dispose of the ball when you dont actually have hold of it, but did say that if his life had depended on it he would have done more to get the ball free :huh3
Like how Richards did everything he could to get rid of it when he laid on it like a hockey goalie covering a puck in the 4th quarter in our forward 50?
What I don't understand is say for example with the Ellis decision if he hasn't got his hands on the ball but the opposition player does then isn't it the opposition player's responsibility to get the ball out. I thought they were bringing a rule in whereby players were pinged for pulling the ball back in after a player legitimately tried to get the ball out.Heard wayne campbell on the radio yesterday and he was asked about the the ellis decision, where the tackler was pinning the ball to him while he had his hands no where near it.
claimed it was a correct decision as Ellis didn't attempt to dispose of the ball :huh
He never explained how you dispose of the ball when you dont actually have hold of it, but did say that if his life had depended on it he would have done more to get the ball free :huh3
Like how Richards did everything he could to get rid of it when he laid on it like a hockey goalie covering a puck in the 4th quarter in our forward 50?
Been ok for mine.Yeah. Theyve been great ::)
Lovely little case of hometown maggoting tonight. :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :bangheadThis
Stevic hates Richmond.
Lovely little case of hometown maggoting tonight. :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :bangheadI swear half our home games are against interstate teams and they always get away team maggoting. :banghead :banghead
Commentators mentioned Richmond lead the competition in free kicks for. :shhBig Milesy!! :clapping
Commentators mentioned Richmond lead the competition in free kicks for. :shhBig Milesy!! :clapping
So how many goals eill Sydney get from frees this time? I'll say about 5 :shh
I thought they were pretty fair tonight.Really?
I thought they were pretty fair tonight.
10 to 1 in the third quarter. Fact
I thought they were pretty fair tonight.
Needs to be an inquiry
I thought they were pretty fair tonight.
I thought they were pretty fair tonight.And WTF was with the boundary throw-ins?? They consistently threw it in towards Sydney's end all night, sometimes giving them a 20mt+ leg up!!
I thought they were pretty fair tonight.
I didn't. We got dry-fisted imho. And I watched the replay this morning (with a clear but sore head) just to see if it was only emotion that I based it on but they really did give us a shafting. Rowan pushed 2 players in the back to kick one of his goals, Cotchin got decapitated for play-on, Hannebery was pushed in the shoulder as he kicked for another shot and goal, just to name a few. And WTF was with the boundary throw-ins?? They consistently threw it in towards Sydney's end all night, sometimes giving them a 20mt+ leg up!!
And if you get a chance, watch a replay of the Australian Of The Year at his cheating best when he stages a high hit and stays down on the ground as if he got whacked. The replay shows he got a glancing blow across his upper arm but the cheating scum went down like he was shot. Saw a revealing insight to his real character right there.
And I thought I was the only person that thought stevic hated us :huh
I keep hearing "not 15 play on" before the ball has even traveled half the distance. This guy is a knob.
I keep hearing "not 15 play on" before the ball has even traveled half the distance. This guy is a knob.
WTF is this stupid thread up.
We have more free kicks!
We are losing because we are stuffing soft as butter!!!!!
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
The AFL needs to know that Stevic clearly has an issue with Richmond.
The AFL needs to know that Stevic clearly has an issue with Richmond.
Stevic has payed 3 x 50s against us in 22 mins of footy
Your obviously not ready the rubbish on this thread them.WTF is this stupid thread up.
We have more free kicks!
We are losing because we are stuffing soft as butter!!!!!
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Shut up. No one is blaming the umpirse for being behind
Ordinary on all fronts!
Tigers = F
Umpires = F
Bounces = F
Me = @$%#
My Family = shut the stuff up.................
Your obviously not ready the rubbish on this thread them.WTF is this stupid thread up.
We have more free kicks!
We are losing because we are stuffing soft as butter!!!!!
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Tired of blaming our players ffs.... stuffing useless
Shut up. No one is blaming the umpirse for being behind
Stevic this, Stevic that.
We are playing poo!!!!!!!!
I hadn't seen 1 50 metres that wasn't a 50 meter penalty.
rubbish!!!
Your obviously not ready the rubbish on this thread them.WTF is this stupid thread up.
We have more free kicks!
We are losing because we are stuffing soft as butter!!!!!
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Shut up. No one is blaming the umpirse for being behind
Stevic this, Stevic that.
We are playing poo!!!!!!!!
I hadn't seen 1 50 metres that wasn't a 50 meter penalty.
rubbish!!!
I AM SO ANGRY!!!!!!!!!!!!Your not doing it right, you need to write in bold and add a few of these :banghead
Funny how umpires didn't get mentioned last week when the frees went massively our way.I did at the Dogs game last week. I said to a mate that we are so bad today even these Tiger friendly umps can't get us over the line. Tonight though was Brisbane's way until the even upperners in last quarter. Not the first time for Stevic especially.
Funny how umpires didn't get mentioned last week when the frees went massively our way.
Honestlymini me was going off her brain. Some very dodgy decisions
Stevic cheated last night or he is blind
Right in front of us in the forward pocket Griffiths was being held in a headlock basically while trying to take a mark
Stevic was no more than 10 metres away in direct vision
No free
WTF
Crowd went mental
For all those who think it's just a whinge fest, I implore you to watch stevic whenever he umpires us, noticed it in our first game against the giants in the wet, he fair dinkum had money riding on that game, never seen a worse display, have watched him ever since and he never fails to deliver.
I can't recall a Stevic game over the last 4-5 years where he hasn't destroyed us.
Why does this keep happening?
Which umpires made us lose this week???:sarcasm
:ROTFL
No one but we're in meltdown mode, so please excuse.Which umpires made us lose this week???:sarcasm
:ROTFL
Who said that?
They weren't as biased as the commentators.
Even Eddie said they were barracking for the Dockers when they cut back to the fox studios.
They weren't as biased as the commentators.
Even Eddie said they were barracking for the Dockers when they cut back to the fox studios.
To be honest I don't think any of us was comfortable until Vickery slotted the sealer. We are all traumatized by the past unfortunately & in today's game any team can slam on 5 quick goals in just a few minutes so its hard to feel safe even if your up by 30 points.They weren't as biased as the commentators.
Even Eddie said they were barracking for the Dockers when they cut back to the fox studios.
It was embarrassing. Dennis making 2 references to Nth Melbourne in the 3rd quarter (we were out scored by 2 goals) and then talking about Grimes being a high draft pick... :huh
Hate to say it but Richo seemed to be waiting for the comeback all game as well. Played in too many losing sides the big fella.
They weren't as biased as the commentators.
Even Eddie said they were barracking for the Dockers when they cut back to the fox studios.
Channel 7s commentators were shocking. Basil Zempilas didn't refrain from being a WA boy. Shocking.
Commetti was just about as bad.
The other 3 spent their time glossing over our good plays whilst smoking Fyfe and friends bats.
When freo got a goal or made play towards the goals, their energy levels went through the roof.
It was embarrassing. Dennis making 2 references to Nth Melbourne in the 3rd quarter (we were out scored by 2 goals) and then talking about Grimes being a high draft pick... :huh
Were terrible, however, one of the worst calls of the day (and most critical) went our way with Miles not getting pinged for holding the ball.
I don't normally pot the umpires. They have a job to do and like players they make mistakes.Were they as bad or worse than us today?
Don't think they influence results as much as of a lot of others do....
But today the umpires were absolutely disgraceful, pathetic and inept.
There was no consistency in their interpretation of the rules.
It was shocking
I don't normally pot the umpires. They have a job to do and like players they make mistakes.Were they as bad or worse than us today?
Don't think they influence results as much as of a lot of others do....
But today the umpires were absolutely disgraceful, pathetic and inept.
There was no consistency in their interpretation of the rules.
It was shocking
...are Matt Stevic, Shane McInerny and Leigh Fisher
Pretty damn woeful then but woke up in the last 5min. :snidegrinI don't normally pot the umpires. They have a job to do and like players they make mistakes.Were they as bad or worse than us today?
Don't think they influence results as much as of a lot of others do....
But today the umpires were absolutely disgraceful, pathetic and inept.
There was no consistency in their interpretation of the rules.
It was shocking
On par
Exactly. Team playing like the first half last week. Actually like most weeksone doesn't cancel out the other. we were crap, and so were the umps, which just adds to the frustration.
Am interested to hear other peoples opinion of the Devon Smith goal at the end of the 3rd quarter. If you remember he gets the resulting free kick after Dusty kicks out on the full. The umpire correctly pushes him around on the correct angle meaning he was almost right against the boundary fence. He runs around and kicks a great goal but when watching the replay he starts running around from outside the boundary. My understanding is that once he goes from a straight line approach (some players do have a natural arc so i understand there is a little leeway here) and runs sideways that its play on, at that point he is outside the boundary so shouldn't he have been deemed to be out of bounds?I'm pretty sure the rule is that the ball must cross the line before it deemed to be "in play" and as such a player can do what he wants outside the boundary line but can also be tackled if he goes off line. It is a strange rule as the umpire must call play on when he is outside the boundary (to allow a player to tackle him) but it is not "in play" until it crosses the line. I think this has been done not to disadvantage the player who has the free kick as anywhere else on the ground he can move off the line 360 degrees without penalty and just a play on call.
Thought the umpiring was lousy yesterday, and it continued at TIO last night.was also crap friday night. cloke had two shots on goal at a crucial stage where he gave away blatant frees
Am interested to hear other peoples opinion of the Devon Smith goal at the end of the 3rd quarter. If you remember he gets the resulting free kick after Dusty kicks out on the full. The umpire correctly pushes him around on the correct angle meaning he was almost right against the boundary fence. He runs around and kicks a great goal but when watching the replay he starts running around from outside the boundary. My understanding is that once he goes from a straight line approach (some players do have a natural arc so i understand there is a little leeway here) and runs sideways that its play on, at that point he is outside the boundary so shouldn't he have been deemed to be out of bounds?I'm pretty sure the rule is that the ball must cross the line before it deemed to be "in play" and as such a player can do what he wants outside the boundary line but can also be tackled if he goes off line. It is a strange rule as the umpire must call play on when he is outside the boundary (to allow a player to tackle him) but it is not "in play" until it crosses the line. I think this has been done not to disadvantage the player who has the free kick as anywhere else on the ground he can move off the line 360 degrees without penalty and just a play on call.
Am interested to hear other peoples opinion of the Devon Smith goal at the end of the 3rd quarter. If you remember he gets the resulting free kick after Dusty kicks out on the full. The umpire correctly pushes him around on the correct angle meaning he was almost right against the boundary fence. He runs around and kicks a great goal but when watching the replay he starts running around from outside the boundary. My understanding is that once he goes from a straight line approach (some players do have a natural arc so i understand there is a little leeway here) and runs sideways that its play on, at that point he is outside the boundary so shouldn't he have been deemed to be out of bounds?
As soon as he is tackled if he is still over the line.Am interested to hear other peoples opinion of the Devon Smith goal at the end of the 3rd quarter. If you remember he gets the resulting free kick after Dusty kicks out on the full. The umpire correctly pushes him around on the correct angle meaning he was almost right against the boundary fence. He runs around and kicks a great goal but when watching the replay he starts running around from outside the boundary. My understanding is that once he goes from a straight line approach (some players do have a natural arc so i understand there is a little leeway here) and runs sideways that its play on, at that point he is outside the boundary so shouldn't he have been deemed to be out of bounds?I'm pretty sure the rule is that the ball must cross the line before it deemed to be "in play" and as such a player can do what he wants outside the boundary line but can also be tackled if he goes off line. It is a strange rule as the umpire must call play on when he is outside the boundary (to allow a player to tackle him) but it is not "in play" until it crosses the line. I think this has been done not to disadvantage the player who has the free kick as anywhere else on the ground he can move off the line 360 degrees without penalty and just a play on call.
It's the AFL's strangest rule that play on can be called whist someone is out of bounds. At what point is it boundary throw in? As soon as the opposition player makes contact?
You can not 'play on'
If one is not in the field of play
Think about it
You can not 'play on'
If one is not in the field of play
Think about it
I think about it too much. It is absolutely bizarre. Does the player out of bounds have to run in a direct line into the field of play once he is called to play on? If he takes an indirect line into the field of play to avoid the player on the mark is he then not out of bounds? If the player just stands still out of bounds after being called to play on would the opposition player just go up and "tag" them or would he lay a tackle?
You can not 'play on'
If one is not in the field of play
Think about it
I think about it too much. It is absolutely bizarre. Does the player out of bounds have to run in a direct line into the field of play once he is called to play on? If he takes an indirect line into the field of play to avoid the player on the mark is he then not out of bounds? If the player just stands still out of bounds after being called to play on would the opposition player just go up and "tag" them or would he lay a tackle?
It has never sat well with me.
The laws of the game state the game is played inside the white line in an oval shape.
I can understand kicking for goal from behind the boundary, if you walk straight at the guy on the mark
But one should not be allowed to play on from outside the field of play. Should be a automatic throw in, if guy goes off mark, whilst outside the playing surface
Ray went berserk with those in the back calls on decent sling tain lower les.
Adding Fisher to the McInerny and Stevic pile. He really didn't want to call anything our way. Ray had to call to call a few our way from half way across he ground.
Dooks my man, who are we dealing with today? Didn't grab a record on the way in
We got a good one today with Kreuzers non mark/Valstuins defensive blunder/mark in front. You win some you lose some with the umps.
30 frees to us, 25 to them. 55 stuffing free kicks. In comparison there were only 15 last night. Over officiated junk.
30 frees to us, 25 to them. 55 stuffing free kicks. In comparison there were only 15 last night. Over officiated junk.
x 2. Shocking effort from them last night and I think we might have scored the rub of the green for a change.
Why are really badly skilled games always badly umpired?
you can't blame the umps when we gave away a 3 goal lead with 3 mins to go.and the coach must be responsible for this.....if he can't teach his players this then they are not playing for him......time to go........poooo.....I forgot he has another 2 years......you idiots..... :banghead :banghead
Where was the flood with 25seconds to go?
Where were our tall guys when moore kicked it to the top of the square?
What cost us was a lack of leadership in the last 90 seconds.
Fact is we let that game go because panic set in and we ran out of toilet paper.
Umpiring was bad both ways at times
We lost the game & we are to blame no-one else.
All our players fly for the mark instead of going the huge punch.
If we'd kicked straight, the umpiring wouldn't have even come into it....
Sliding rule is a tough one to applyDifficult? That was as clear cut a decision as I've ever seen. A howler of a decision.
Paddy McCartin unfortunately broke his collarbone sliding into Richmond's Nick Vlastuin who kept his feet as he approached the loose ball. McCartin received the free kick but Vlastuin was entitled to feel aggrieved at the decision. He had done the right thing by keeping his feet as the 94kg McCartin slid into him, but received a free kick against. Although tough to apply in the moment, it's a good rule that umpires need to be fierce on next season as Vlastuin was lucky not to be hurt.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-20/five-talking-points-richmond-v-st-kilda
Sliding rule is a tough one to applyDifficult? That was as clear cut a decision as I've ever seen. A howler of a decision.
Paddy McCartin unfortunately broke his collarbone sliding into Richmond's Nick Vlastuin who kept his feet as he approached the loose ball. McCartin received the free kick but Vlastuin was entitled to feel aggrieved at the decision. He had done the right thing by keeping his feet as the 94kg McCartin slid into him, but received a free kick against. Although tough to apply in the moment, it's a good rule that umpires need to be fierce on next season as Vlastuin was lucky not to be hurt.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-20/five-talking-points-richmond-v-st-kilda
Sliding rule is a tough one to applyDifficult? That was as clear cut a decision as I've ever seen. A howler of a decision.
Paddy McCartin unfortunately broke his collarbone sliding into Richmond's Nick Vlastuin who kept his feet as he approached the loose ball. McCartin received the free kick but Vlastuin was entitled to feel aggrieved at the decision. He had done the right thing by keeping his feet as the 94kg McCartin slid into him, but received a free kick against. Although tough to apply in the moment, it's a good rule that umpires need to be fierce on next season as Vlastuin was lucky not to be hurt.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-20/five-talking-points-richmond-v-st-kilda
Yep it should have been a free to Vlastuin
I dont agree with the sliding in rule but it's now there and as such it should be applied, there is no grey here.
Disgraceful decision
Umpires: DeBoy, Schmitt, Kamolins
Enjoy umpiring in the bush leagues next week, fellas. You turned the "advantage" rule into a farce.
To me the HTB and DTB interpretations by the umps changes every week. Obviously as a Tigers supporter I have a one eyed view but really it does seem that we have to make the perfect tackle to have any chance of getting a free whereas the opposition just seem to touch our guys and the ball spills and it's a free every time.
After 7 years at the helm, Is there any reason to believe Hardwick was the mastermind behind this tactic?
I'd put my money on one of the newbies coming up with it, probable Blake.
correct.
After 7 years at the helm, Is there any reason to believe Hardwick was the mastermind behind this tactic?you missed the point.
I'd put my money on one of the newbies coming up with it, probable Blake.
I think the issue is they were outsmarted by us playing the rules.(as opposed to playing to the rules)History with this team suggests otherwise.After 7 years at the helm, Is there any reason to believe Hardwick was the mastermind behind this tactic?you missed the point.
I'd put my money on one of the newbies coming up with it, probable Blake.
Collingwood were outsmarted on that one, and were not clued onto having to nominate a ruckman on another occasion.
Isnt that a reflection on their coaching?
Anyone watch the Eagles vs StKilda game?
Saints were absolutely sodomised by the umps. Worst umpiring i have seen in probably seen in 5-10 years. Im suprised theres not talk about it in the media
Anyone watch the Eagles vs StKilda game?
Saints were absolutely sodomised by the umps. Worst umpiring i have seen in probably seen in 5-10 years. Im suprised theres not talk about it in the media
Plenty of talk about it on Twitter and by alot of journos who are on twitter
Was it my imagination but i thought we were bent over on thursday night by the umps as well.
Was it my imagination but i thought we were bent over on thursday night by the umps as well.
The umpiring is always completely biased Perth. The crowd gets to the umps over there.
Was it my imagination but i thought we were bent over on thursday night by the umps as well.
Agree...and its seems like we are every week :thumbsdown
The umpiring is always completely biased Perth. The crowd gets to the umps over there.
True but believe me this was next level poot! And thats coming from a neutral supporter.
Was it my imagination but i thought we were bent over on thursday night by the umps as well.
Agree...and its seems like we are every week :thumbsdown
I reckon nab cup we overall had the rub of decisions. Carlton wasnt too bad. Thursday night though made up for it. Just shocking. >:(
Anyone watch the Eagles vs StKilda game?Sorry mate. Just read this.
Saints were absolutely sodomised by the umps. 23-8 and worst umpiring i have seen in probably seen in 5-10 years. Im suprised theres not talk about it in the media
Edit - just found this right on cue
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/st-kilda/st-kilda-fans-slam-free-kick-count-as-wayward-saints-fall-to-west-coast/news-story/293b911d20f1a63fb5e141e1d4f1fb6c
I was hanging poo on Bucklys's coaching ability, not pumping up hardwick you dumb stufferI think the issue is they were outsmarted by us playing the rules.(as opposed to playing to the rules)History with this team suggests otherwise.After 7 years at the helm, Is there any reason to believe Hardwick was the mastermind behind this tactic?you missed the point.
I'd put my money on one of the newbies coming up with it, probable Blake.
Collingwood were outsmarted on that one, and were not clued onto having to nominate a ruckman on another occasion.
Isnt that a reflection on their coaching?
Taking into consideration all that I've seen over the last seven years, ie. the worst 90 seconds ever seen & the worst 3 minutes ever played.
Then I put it down to a fluke of circumstances & the Collingwood players were just too stupid to realise that our second ruck was injured.
It doesn't mean Hardwick was the mastermind.
How was that tackle on Dayne Beams "holding the man"
Yes lets blame the umps.We are blaming the umpires, keep up ffs.
We have been garbage for ages but had the umps given us a fair go over the journey maybe just
maybe we may have had a few more first week final exits.
That's what it is. Clearly I thought we were crap.
Thought the Rioli no mark in the last was interesting. How many marks of the year have involved some force into the back of an opponent. How the hell isn't that a mark yet they paid the mark after a blatant push in the back by Casboult on Astbury, dumbfouding to say the least.Gresham did the exact same thing in the Saints-Suns game tonight and it was paid a mark.
Thought the Rioli no mark in the last was interesting. How many marks of the year have involved some force into the back of an opponent. How the hell isn't that a mark yet they paid the mark after a blatant push in the back by Casboult on Astbury, dumbfouding to say the least.One decision has nothing to do with the other.
The Casboult one was horrendous.
Disagree. Rioli's has always been paid despite the "hands in the back" rule. The sheer plethora of instances is over-whelming.Thought the Rioli no mark in the last was interesting. How many marks of the year have involved some force into the back of an opponent. How the hell isn't that a mark yet they paid the mark after a blatant push in the back by Casboult on Astbury, dumbfouding to say the least.One decision has nothing to do with the other.
Rioli's as much as it looked fantastic was clearly hands in the back.
The Casboult one was horrendous.
Dougey is correct, if you take the mark, they pay the mark. I always wondered about it, but it has been that way for donkeys years. If he pushed him forward so he could mark, then fair enough but he took it over his head...:lol
Some may say up to their usual standard this year :whistle.
The umpiring was a joke tonight. Back to the level of the 'Deboy' games of the first half of the season.
Just quietly there was a young fella out there umpiring his first Richmond game (~4th game overall) who is a mad Richmond supporter :clappinglol was he trying to prove he wasn't biased? ;)
Just quietly there was a young fella out there umpiring his first Richmond game (~4th game overall) who is a mad Richmond supporter :clappinglol was he trying to prove he wasn't biased? ;)
Umpire #26 was atrociousCraig Fleer from SA.
Just quietly there was a young fella out there umpiring his first Richmond game (~4th game overall) who is a mad Richmond supporter :clappinglol was he trying to prove he wasn't biased? ;)
He may have over compensated a tad
Just quietly there was a young fella out there umpiring his first Richmond game (~4th game overall) who is a mad Richmond supporter :clappinglol was he trying to prove he wasn't biased? ;)
He may have over compensated a tad
Dw fellas I'll give him all of your feedback
Could do if you ask nicely
Could do if you ask nicely
Please?
Dudwick will say they did a good job. Meanwhile they are peeing themselves laughing at usProblem is if the coach comes out and even has a subtle dig at the umpiring like "we got back in the game after half-time when it was 22 on 22", he'll cop an automatic $50k fine and a please explain from the AFL which will force him to apologise. You can't win. Obviously, going through "official channels" doesn't work either. That first half of umpiring especially was a joke.
yep thats why we lost, the umpiring.A 7 - 20 free kick count against plus missed holds and pushes in the back against Jack in front of the sticks in the second qtr, was a joke. It doesn't excuse our stuff ups but we got right royally screwed especially in the first half. Umps got sucked in by the feral Geelong home crowd.
lmfao.
we lost because we arent that great when it really counts.
first final locked in agaisnt the crows, loss and then a cut throat final after that. The pressure is going to be huge and this club proved today they still cant mix it with the big boys, hence why im predicting 0 finals wins for dimwit come GF day.
That second quarter killed the game though. Jack was getting held and driven into the ground every time it went into our forward line, our tackles were never rewarded while every single thing was picked out in their forward 50. What about that rubbish push out in the second I think to Menzel to name just one? Wasn't even there. Should ask Short what he thought of Mackie's rushed behind too. These are goals denied from us and gifted to the opposition. No matter how well you play you can't control those things. The club needs to ask wtf is going on because it's every stuffing week.
That second quarter killed the game though. Jack was getting held and driven into the ground every time it went into our forward line, our tackles were never rewarded while every single thing was picked out in their forward 50. What about that rubbish push out in the second I think to Menzel to name just one? Wasn't even there. Should ask Short what he thought of Mackie's rushed behind too. These are goals denied from us and gifted to the opposition. No matter how well you play you can't control those things. The club needs to ask wtf is going on because it's every stuffing week.
Umpiring was a disgrace. Once again it is the ones they didn't pay that killed us. Geelong players seemed to be given much longer to dispose of the ball compared to our players.... :banghead
Experienced umpires Matt Stevic, Simon Meredith and Andrew Mitchell had been in charge.
Hardwick could face a "please explain" from the AFL for his comments.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/geelong-freekick-count-influenced-by-fans-claims-richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-20170811-gxugaf.html
I understand that it's their home ground and someone has spent a lot of coin to get it to where it is currently but would other clubs be allowed the same "advantage" if they wanted to have their own "boutique" home ground again? Because it is a massive advantage!!
Imagine if Richmond, Carlton, Collingwood or Essendon wanted to upgrade their home grounds and play games there.
I think in a competition the size of the AFL the grounds on which teams play on must cater for both teams supporters.
The AFL have a massive double standard imo with Geelongs home ground.
I'm sure if Richmond wanted to play games at Punt Road in front of 30,000 people the AFL wouldn't allow it purely on gate receipts alone, let alone the game wouldn't grow at the same rate as it is now with everyone being able to watch our home games whether you are a Tigers supporter or an opposition supporter.
Supporters not being able to watch their team play live each week is a disgrace!! And how the AFL can justify that is beyond me.
How they scheduled a side like us with 70,000 members regardless of how we went last year is just ridiculous.
Experienced umpires Matt Stevic, Simon Meredith and Andrew Mitchell had been in charge.
Umpiring was a disgrace. Once again it is the ones they didn't pay that killed us. Geelong players seemed to be given much longer to dispose of the ball compared to our players.... :banghead
One word... Stevic
A fellow forum member sent me a msg during the game, i wasnt watching as i was working.
I decided to read msg, reply and check game on my afl app. As spon as the screen came up it had Matt stevic doing everything he could to not pay a holding free to macca on boundary.
Turned it off, knew we were stuffed before the game started so im not even suprised.
A bit hard when the other team are given kicks wrapped in a bow right in front of goal in a game decided by less than three goals.
If they quoted his whole interview he went on to say it's the same for us when we play at the g..
Caroline Wilson criticises Richmond coach Damien Hardwick over ‘mean-spirited’ umpiring complaint
By WWOS staff
16 August 2017
Footy Classified’s Caroline Wilson has ripped into coach Damien Hardwick’s "mean-spirited" claim that AFL umpires favoured Geelong in Richmond’s Round 21 loss.
The free kick count was 28-17 in favour of the Cats, which Hardwick pointed out as part of the “significant home ground advantage” Geelong held when playing at Simonds Stadium.
“The home crowd gets behind them, have a look at the free kick count,” Hardwick said.
“They’re an outstanding side, but they’re an outstanding side plus when it comes to playing here.”
Though Hardwick didn’t blame the 80-66 defeat solely on the skewed free kick count, Wilson hit out at the coach’s unnecessary shot at the umpires.
“Damien, what were you thinking?” Wilson said on the ‘Caro’s Arrow’ segment on Nine’s Footy Classified.
“Who do you coaches actually talk to when you speak like that at post match press conferences? To your players? To your supporters? Maybe it’s political? Maybe you’re sending a message to the umpires? Are you worried the same thing will happen against Fremantle at Subiaco next week? Or at the Adelaide Oval during the finals?”
Coming into the game against Geelong, the Tigers were brimming with confidence having soundly beaten Hawthorn 93-64 the previous week. Wilson thought Hardwick’s complaints were a disappointing turn.
“In the context of what was a great week and a great build up for the Richmond Football Club it just seemed a little unsporting, a little negative, irrelevant and dare I say it Damien, mean-spirited,” Wilson said.
However fellow Footy Classified panellist and Essendon legend Matthew Lloyd appreciated Hardwick’s honesty.
“I agreed with him,” the 2000 AFL Premiership winner said.
“I thought Geelong got the rub of the green early and Damien Hardwick was just being honest.”
http://wwos.nine.com.au/2017/08/15/15/14/caroline-wilson-criticises-richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-umpires
Something needs to be done otherwise the integrity of the game will be damaged.
Complaining about umpires has in the past largely been a seen as a discussion undertaken by the fringe sooks in the footy community but theres been so many poor decisions this year and unbalanced decision making its become a front and centre issue.
For mine the Betts incident is enough.
Complaining about umpires has in the past largely been a seen as a discussion undertaken by the fringe sooks in the footy community but theres been so many poor decisions this year and unbalanced decision making its become a front and centre issue.
Something needs to be done otherwise the integrity of the game will be damaged.
THe AFL not changing the stuffing rules and interpretations every five minutes would be a good start....
I watched Buddy Franklin's running goal against Adelaide last night totally incredulous.The AFL umps' head boss admitted today that Buddy ran too far ("It was closer to 20 [metres] than 15") but defended it being missed by saying it was the heat of the moment non-decision and that Buddy can run a fair way as he's fast and he has a long stride.
I count 2 bounces and a drop of the footy with him running from just on the defensive side of the wing (I am being charitable) right around the left hand boundary to about 40m from goal in the pocket. In a straight line that would have to be 100m. When he dropped the ball he probably fumbles it about 20m. So in a straight line, he probably ran with the footy 80m. But then he didn't run in a straight line, he curved around the boundary, so add that 20m back on, give or take a little.
No free kick, but a fantastic highlight that the media and Swans fans will talk about for ages. But the fact is, anyone can have a highlight moment if they are allowed to play outside the rules of the game.
I'd be dirty if I was a Crows fan. But I am sick of this as a footy fan.
How could the umpires miss such a flagrant breach of the rules. When you watch it, gut instinct tells you he runs too far when he slots the goal, let along earlier in the piece.
And the AFL's immediate response to it via Twitter "This was Buddy amazing! #AFLCrowsSwans". Yeah, good work morons.
They admitted Betts wasn't a 50 meter penalty and Mills played on in other words cost crows the game bunch of clowns.
I reckon we'll cop Stevic week 1 of finals :shhBookmark it. Lose by a kick on the siren from a dubious free into 50m penalty.
I reckon we'll cop Stevic week 1 of finals :shhStevic AND DeBoy will be our umpires in weeks 1 and any subsequent game they can't stop us from getting through to..... :shh
Well, well, well
Guess who's umpiring this Friday night?????
Stevic, Nicholls and Mcinerney
Some familiar faces......
Well, well, well
Guess who's umpiring this Friday night?????
Stevic, Nicholls and Mcinerney
Some familiar faces......
Well, well, well
Guess who's umpiring this Friday night?????
Stevic, Nicholls and Mcinerney
Some familiar faces......
Well, well, well
Guess who's umpiring this Friday night?????
Stevic, Nicholls and Mcinerney
Some familiar faces......
Geez Geez :facepalm
Stevic
Well, well, well
Guess who's umpiring this Friday night?????
Stevic, Nicholls and Mcinerney
Some familiar faces......
Geez Geez :facepalm
It could be worse
We could have got Deboy ;D he's doing one of the SA games
Well, well, well
Guess who's umpiring this Friday night?????
Stevic, Nicholls and Mcinerney
Some familiar faces......
Geez Geez :facepalm
It could be worse
We could have got Deboy ;D he's doing one of the SA games
I get that, but I feel Matt Stevic's interpretation of the rules and our way of gamestyle just don't compliment each other..
quiklax in his yoghurt or tofu salad?
I'm not one to bash umpires but the facts are Stevic is a cheat... And I'd like to bash him. :shhInterestingly on the Cats BF thread on this game they're just as upset with Stevic umpiring for more or less the same reasons.
I just hope whatever the result we can just walk away and not have to talk about them. Just do your job and call what you see without looking for poo that isn't there.
I'm not one to bash umpires but the facts are Stevic is a cheat... And I'd like to bash him. :shhInterestingly on the Cats BF thread on this game they're just as upset with Stevic umpiring for more or less the same reasons.
I just hope whatever the result we can just walk away and not have to talk about them. Just do your job and call what you see without looking for poo that isn't there.
Even more interesting was the free kick count at halftime in the rd21 clash down there which Stevic also umpired. Can't remember exactly what it was but I seem to remember it was more than 2:1 in their favour....
Well, well, well
Guess who's umpiring this Friday night?????
Stevic, Nicholls and Mcinerney
Some familiar faces......
Geez Geez :facepalm
It could be worse
We could have got Deboy ;D he's doing one of the SA games
I get that, but I feel Matt Stevic's interpretation of the rules and our way of gamestyle just don't compliment each other..
Something needs to be done otherwise the integrity of the game will be damaged.
Already there I reckon. There is not a sport in the world that calls itself professional that is so poorly officiated.
And it just seems to get worse and worse.
Yep poo decision but overall not too bad on the night.
Considering the standard of umpiring this seasonWe are all euphoric about the win but the umpiring was garbage. The goal square decision was incorrect. Geelong incessantly tackled players without the ball, in one case they tackled a player leaping for a mark before he had even touched the ball and play on was called.
They were excellent last night.
Goal square decision was correct
Considering the standard of umpiring this season
They were excellent last night.
Goal square decision was correct
Considering the standard of umpiring this season
They were excellent last night.
Goal square decision was correct
no it wasn't, push in the side & ball within 5 m , should have been Houlis goal
Considering the standard of umpiring this season
They were excellent last night.
Goal square decision was correct
no it wasn't, push in the side & ball within 5 m , should have been Houlis goal
Only Watched replay now
On the night looked right, watchong slowed down reckon you can call it either way
Umpires would argue that Jack came in from 10 -15 metres out, no eyes for the ball and took whoever it was out of contest
6 of 1 half dozen of the other ;D
I'd watch it again WP. That was in no way a free kick.Considering the standard of umpiring this season
They were excellent last night.
Goal square decision was correct
no it wasn't, push in the side & ball within 5 m , should have been Houlis goal
Only Watched replay now
On the night looked right, watchong slowed down reckon you can call it either way
Umpires would argue that Jack came in from 10 -15 metres out, no eyes for the ball and took whoever it was out of contest
6 of 1 half dozen of the other ;D
I'd watch it again WP. That was in no way a free kick.Considering the standard of umpiring this season
They were excellent last night.
Goal square decision was correct
no it wasn't, push in the side & ball within 5 m , should have been Houlis goal
Only Watched replay now
On the night looked right, watchong slowed down reckon you can call it either way
Umpires would argue that Jack came in from 10 -15 metres out, no eyes for the ball and took whoever it was out of contest
6 of 1 half dozen of the other ;D
Apart from the JR one i was pretty happy with the umpiring, but I am probably comparing it to the poo we usually get dished upJust out of curiosity, which umpires would you deport to NZ?
Apart from the JR one i was pretty happy with the umpiring, but I am probably comparing it to the poo we usually get dished upJust out of curiosity, which umpires would you deport to NZ?
Apart from the JR one i was pretty happy with the umpiring, but I am probably comparing it to the poo we usually get dished upJust out of curiosity, which umpires would you deport to NZ?
Stevic for sure, he can be PM of the pooty place
Apart from the JR one i was pretty happy with the umpiring, but I am probably comparing it to the poo we usually get dished upJust out of curiosity, which umpires would you deport to NZ?
Stevic for sure, he can be PM of the pooty place
He can manage traffic flow on Auckland hwy for mine :shh
yep, but they usually get their poles smoked at home to be fairHow stuffing true this comment is
We are a statistical anomaly. What a disgrace:Last 4 rounds was 72 for v 76 against. So better, even including the Geelong 28/17 against in round 22. Still a differential of 66 though.
https://www.triplem.com.au/sport/afl/news/round-19-afl-free-kick-differential-ladder
4 goals to Carlton from 50s ::).
As usual Umps were over zealous in round 1 on one particular rule (10m) without warning to the rest of us. It became an absolute joke ::). The question is why? What was wrong with last year's interpretation? :huh
Fisher the new Stevic/Deboy.
Fisher the new Stevic/Deboy.
Fisher is a complete dud. Ex Players were invited to umpire as they are meant to have a better feel for the game!
Unfortunately Fisher is so stuffen stupid he couldn’t feel his own nut sack with both hands
How many goals were Carlscum gifted.
Great - now apologise for the throw call against Vlastuin...Offset with the daisy one which was worse
The non decision against Pendlebury for holding the ball just before half time left me seething and frothing from the mouth!! Led to Pies goal which put them in front.
We are definitely still on the receiving end of poor umpiring
https://www.triplem.com.au/sport/afl/news/round-6-afl-free-kick-differential-ladder"But its just Richmonds gameplan, they tend to give away frees going hard in the clinches" - every non Richmond flog searching to justify the #freekickrichmond trend.
WTF IS UP WITH THESE POLE SMOKING MAGGOTS!!!!:clapping :thumbsup
Round 7 rule of the week
The DOZEN rule
Pay 1 miis the next 11
We play the umpires darlings on Sunday. Nth got +7 against Sydney at home.
Apparently your allowed to tackle the head of the player wearing yellow and black.
Could anyone explain the non free to Vlastuin for high contact that apparently wasn’t"Apparently" he lifted his arm which propelled the tacklers arm into his head. "Evidently" you are not allowed to lift your arm when you are getting tackled. Fairytale stuff.
From what I heard from the commentators it was something to do with it wasn’t a free because he invited contact even though he didn’t drop the knees or shoulders?
Could anyone explain the non free to Vlastuin for high contact that apparently wasn’t"Apparently" he lifted his arm which propelled the tacklers arm into his head. "Evidently" you are not allowed to lift your arm when you are getting tackled. Fairytale stuff.
From what I heard from the commentators it was something to do with it wasn’t a free because he invited contact even though he didn’t drop the knees or shoulders?
Dimma gave them another rocket regarding the goal review. Good lol, but I hope the AFL don't respond with the only way they know how .....:clapping
:rollin
The non goal for Higgins was disgracefulArrant cheating from my point of view.
The still shot by itself proves nothing! A frame or two before may be completely conclusive, but how can anybody tell unless those frames are presented too?
Bring in High Definition, High Speed cameras or GAGF!
The funny thing is my mobile phone does 960fps and is demonstrably cleaner in slow motion than the technology used by the MCC........Bingo! Even the white cane the umpires used to use was in High Definition! :help
Go figure!
The still shot by itself proves nothing! A frame or two before may be completely conclusive, but how can anybody tell unless those frames are presented too?
Bring in High Definition, High Speed cameras or GAGF!
The full replay of it clearly shows the hamds touch the ball AFTER it crossed the line
The fact the incompetents in the review didn't look at all vision is the bigger issue. They looked at one version and made a decision..the wrong one :banghead
Hocking has 'sympathy' for Dimma over review
Trent Masenhelder
afl.com.au
May 27, 2018 4:03PM
A day after Richmond coach Damien Hardwick labelled the controversial score review system "deplorable" and "an embarrassment to our game", the AFL has conceded it needs some tweaking.
Hardwick delivered a scathing attack on the score review system during his post-match media conference on Saturday, perplexed by the decision to overturn a seemingly obvious Jack Higgins goal during the third term of Richmond's clash with St Kilda.
AFL general manager of football Steven Hocking could sympathise with Hardwick after the Tigers also copped a tough call in the round six win over Collingwood.
"I've got a bit of sympathy for them because there's no doubt the Tigers have been on the wrong end of a number of those at the MCG this year. I can understand his frustration around it," Hocking said on 3AW.
"We've definitely got the basis of a good system, but it needs some work."
In referencing the overturned Higgins goal on Saturday, Hardwick said post-match: "So why do we wait? Why don't we just go back to the centre? He's called a goal. We're asked to trust and respect the umpires, how about we back the goal umpire in and then we go back to the centre?
"And if you haven't figured it out by that stage just let the game go. Momentum in sport is a wonderful thing,"
"I sit there and I still don't know how it got turned over. Seriously, it's an embarrassment to our game. I reckon it really is. The technology is deplorable."
Hocking went on to outline the major issues with the current system.
"They (the reviewers) have access to different vision and I think that’s sort of where the disconnect at times happens. They tend to take it from a wider camera angle, whereas the broadcast feed is the camera that’s really close to the ball and it can distort the view of that," Hocking explained.
"I understand Damian … and acknowledge even fans and also the football industry that there's a bit of frustration around it.
"We've been very clear with the goal umpires that whatever their decision is, unless it's overwhelmingly obvious, you don't change it. We've communicated that to the score reviewers, and clearly we need to continue to do that."
When asked if Richmond was robbed of a goal in its win over the Saints, Hocking said: "No, they weren't. If you're looking at what you've seen, it's a different angle. We'll clear that up during the week," Hocking said.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-27/tigers-goal-review-call-wrong-afl
Hocking has 'sympathy' for Dimma over review
Trent Masenhelder
afl.com.au
May 27, 2018 4:03PM
A day after Richmond coach Damien Hardwick labelled the controversial score review system "deplorable" and "an embarrassment to our game", the AFL has conceded it needs some tweaking.
Hardwick delivered a scathing attack on the score review system during his post-match media conference on Saturday, perplexed by the decision to overturn a seemingly obvious Jack Higgins goal during the third term of Richmond's clash with St Kilda.
AFL general manager of football Steven Hocking could sympathise with Hardwick after the Tigers also copped a tough call in the round six win over Collingwood.
"I've got a bit of sympathy for them because there's no doubt the Tigers have been on the wrong end of a number of those at the MCG this year. I can understand his frustration around it," Hocking said on 3AW.
"We've definitely got the basis of a good system, but it needs some work."
In referencing the overturned Higgins goal on Saturday, Hardwick said post-match: "So why do we wait? Why don't we just go back to the centre? He's called a goal. We're asked to trust and respect the umpires, how about we back the goal umpire in and then we go back to the centre?
"And if you haven't figured it out by that stage just let the game go. Momentum in sport is a wonderful thing,"
"I sit there and I still don't know how it got turned over. Seriously, it's an embarrassment to our game. I reckon it really is. The technology is deplorable."
Hocking went on to outline the major issues with the current system.
"They (the reviewers) have access to different vision and I think that’s sort of where the disconnect at times happens. They tend to take it from a wider camera angle, whereas the broadcast feed is the camera that’s really close to the ball and it can distort the view of that," Hocking explained.
"I understand Damian … and acknowledge even fans and also the football industry that there's a bit of frustration around it.
"We've been very clear with the goal umpires that whatever their decision is, unless it's overwhelmingly obvious, you don't change it. We've communicated that to the score reviewers, and clearly we need to continue to do that."
When asked if Richmond was robbed of a goal in its win over the Saints, Hocking said: "No, they weren't. If you're looking at what you've seen, it's a different angle. We'll clear that up during the week," Hocking said.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-27/tigers-goal-review-call-wrong-afl
Yeah let’s see them release this imaginary footage which proves conclusively it wasn’t over the line......
Same crew as 911 :shhHocking has 'sympathy' for Dimma over review
Trent Masenhelder
afl.com.au
May 27, 2018 4:03PM
A day after Richmond coach Damien Hardwick labelled the controversial score review system "deplorable" and "an embarrassment to our game", the AFL has conceded it needs some tweaking.
Hardwick delivered a scathing attack on the score review system during his post-match media conference on Saturday, perplexed by the decision to overturn a seemingly obvious Jack Higgins goal during the third term of Richmond's clash with St Kilda.
AFL general manager of football Steven Hocking could sympathise with Hardwick after the Tigers also copped a tough call in the round six win over Collingwood.
"I've got a bit of sympathy for them because there's no doubt the Tigers have been on the wrong end of a number of those at the MCG this year. I can understand his frustration around it," Hocking said on 3AW.
"We've definitely got the basis of a good system, but it needs some work."
In referencing the overturned Higgins goal on Saturday, Hardwick said post-match: "So why do we wait? Why don't we just go back to the centre? He's called a goal. We're asked to trust and respect the umpires, how about we back the goal umpire in and then we go back to the centre?
"And if you haven't figured it out by that stage just let the game go. Momentum in sport is a wonderful thing,"
"I sit there and I still don't know how it got turned over. Seriously, it's an embarrassment to our game. I reckon it really is. The technology is deplorable."
Hocking went on to outline the major issues with the current system.
"They (the reviewers) have access to different vision and I think that’s sort of where the disconnect at times happens. They tend to take it from a wider camera angle, whereas the broadcast feed is the camera that’s really close to the ball and it can distort the view of that," Hocking explained.
"I understand Damian … and acknowledge even fans and also the football industry that there's a bit of frustration around it.
"We've been very clear with the goal umpires that whatever their decision is, unless it's overwhelmingly obvious, you don't change it. We've communicated that to the score reviewers, and clearly we need to continue to do that."
When asked if Richmond was robbed of a goal in its win over the Saints, Hocking said: "No, they weren't. If you're looking at what you've seen, it's a different angle. We'll clear that up during the week," Hocking said.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-27/tigers-goal-review-call-wrong-afl
Yeah let’s see them release this imaginary footage which proves conclusively it wasn’t over the line......
They are working on the photoshop as we speak
The official score review footage looks genuine to me :whistle.Yeah let’s see them release this imaginary footage which proves conclusively it wasn’t over the line......
They are working on the photoshop as we speak
Why then doesn’t the broadcaster and the venue scoreboard only show what the review umpire sees? Then everyone is on the same page.You are being way too logical :snidegrin
My solution is to scrap the whole system. We don’t use it at any other part of the game so pee it off.Exactly. Rance has his arm held, free kick missed, Saints score a goal. Why is this not reviewed too?
At least we didn't cop the worst decision of all tme like Fremantle did with that no free to Hamling call....though that umpire's probably earnt himself the dreamtime gig now... :shhSaw that non decision. I couldn’t believe it and then I couldn’t believe Dermie had trouble deciding on whether or not it was a good or bad decision. :lol
[smasha]No coincidence the first ever free kick for a deliberate rushed behind was awarded against us too.... :shh[/smasha]Thanks smasha. :lol
And cost us the game. Drew with the Saints that night, in 2011.[smasha]No coincidence the first ever free kick for a deliberate rushed behind was awarded against us too.... :shh[/smasha]Thanks smasha. :lol
Official complaint should be lodged by the club.imagine if we miss out on top 4 by 0.05%..... :shh
Richmond legend Matthew Richardson jokingly said goal umpires were becoming irrelevant because their decisions were rarely upheld.
Only thing more embarrassing then the decision to overturn the goal, was hocking saying yesterday we weren’t robbed of a goal and saying they’d release the footage to the public during the week only to then come out today and say it actually was an incorrect decision :wallywink.:clapping
Bloody clowns, this goal review has been nothing but a complete failure and you only have to listen to the crowds reaction every time the umpire motions for it for proof. And why oh why do the goal umpires request for the goal to be reviewed in the first place when we are told at every opportunity that every goal gets reviewed on the way back to the bounce anyway. Shambles.
"The Richmond Football Club has had score reviews in its games in the first part of the season that the AFL acknowledges were not performed to the expected standard. The AFL will continue to coach and educate the staff involved around what is expected in their roles," Hocking said
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-28/afl-admits-error-on-tigers-score-review
Wasn’t there a goal review against us that was clearly a point and they pressed the wrong button and awarded a goal?
It’s like the whole system goes pair shaped when it’s our game.
They must have Ol’ Betamax Jackson pressing he buttons. :rollin
I call rubbish to that. He is rubbish and if he is so good why isn’t he still doing the job? You are greatly mistaken.Wasn’t there a goal review against us that was clearly a point and they pressed the wrong button and awarded a goal?
It’s like the whole system goes pair shaped when it’s our game.
They must have Ol’ Betamax Jackson pressing he buttons. :rollin
Yeah, good ol Betamax.
Recruited most of the premiership team last year with little or no support for the first 5 years
Why are we giving away so many frees these days? It must be tactical.Our team pressure game would be part of it and apparently Nank is giving a few frees away this year in the ruck. However, for a top side we get poor run with the umps as the AFL admitted during the week with the score review system.
Am I the only one that felt the Martin free was completely there?Agree
Everyone else seems to be crying shoft decision. I saw both players jostling for position, Dusty push Hurley out to protect space, and then Hurley fool Martins arm as he lost ground. Thats a black and white free kick for mine.
Lost my poo at cats supporters trying to defend every 50/50 they got when we get none
Then they pulled out the old if it was at Kardinia, which incited more from me
stuff I hate Geeflog still salty about last year .., stuff them
It's the free kicks we dont get that do my head in....our players held off the ball all day....third quarter in particular was an absolute disgrace - Martin at the first bounce, Rioli twice with a couple of minutes...Lambert in the lead up to a Geelong goal...just to name four...
...and as usual Riewoldt needs to be assaulted with a stuffing iron bar before he gets a free...and even then it would probably be a toss up...so much for thinking the addition off a fourth idiot to proceedings might see him finally get a break....
On the smother at 3/4 time, looked to be completely fair, I watched Rance carefully from where I was sitting. stuffing woeful decision imo, can anyone else clarify if he actually stepped over the mark?
On the smother at 3/4 time, looked to be completely fair, I watched Rance carefully from where I was sitting. stuffing woeful decision imo, can anyone else clarify if he actually stepped over the mark?
I heard Big RAZOR Ray say "he jumped 2 metres over the mark". I thought he was on the mark to be honest, if he was over it wasn't by much.
Speaking of dirty grubs, did anyone else notice Toby Green collect the ball and then deliberately launch himself at he knees of the nearby Richmond player. I nearly jumped through the TV to belt the filthy grub.
Speaking of dirty grubs, did anyone else notice Toby Green collect the ball and then deliberately launch himself at he knees of the nearby Richmond player. I nearly jumped through the TV to belt the filthy grub.
Toby Greene - the most punchable head in the AFL since the glory days of Milne & Ballantyne....
Did their best to support the Ainters
diving into players backs, No prior opportunity tackling off of the ball was all the rage this week. Do they have a list of poo they are going to stuff up each week to 'be edgy' or just send me to an early stuffing grave?As I posted in the game thread, explains why the Pies have the best free kick differential whereas we have the worst. Two different set of rules for each team.
That call against Short for hold9jg the ball in the 3rd was a disgrace
It wasn't the head contact but the sling tackle after, pretty sure that's what should be deemed a dangerous tackle.or is it only dangerous if you get knocked out?
As I said earlier disgraceful
That call against Short for hold9jg the ball in the 3rd was a disgrace
It wasn't the head contact but the sling tackle after, pretty sure that's what should be deemed a dangerous tackle.or is it only dangerous if you get knocked out?
As I said earlier disgraceful
Can someone explain the advantage rule, Lloyd halfway through his kicking action after we get a free and the ump calls plan on advantage. Could have been a vital moment in the scheme of things, another clanger by the umpires who had an opportunity to bring it back and didnt. Last night confirmed that umpires are human and that when you have a team who hasnt lost at the G for 18 games against a team coming home like a stream train that the umpires can get caught up in the moment and clearly favour the opposition.
It was basically cheating imo.
As a Tigers supporter you walk away not talking about the game but feeling cheated even after a win.
The amount of times they were tackled and didn’t dispose of it properly was simply cheating.
Selwood is way to good a player to duck his like he does and should be called on it by the commentators. He consistently does it week in week out.
The clubs needs to come out and make a formal complaint soon as this bias will cost us a game soon and potentially a big game.
I’m still in a bad mood about that crap last night.It was basically cheating imo.
As a Tigers supporter you walk away not talking about the game but feeling cheated even after a win.
The amount of times they were tackled and didn’t dispose of it properly was simply cheating.
Selwood is way to good a player to duck his like he does and should be called on it by the commentators. He consistently does it week in week out.
The clubs needs to come out and make a formal complaint soon as this bias will cost us a game soon and potentially a big game.
:clapping
Perfect example of the total bias against us, a Geeflog player heads straight at the boundry from 30 meteres, no one within cooee ...nothing nada crickets
Tigers payer goes long probaly clears 50-60 metres players in vicinity shape of ball cause to bounce out - Couldnt put these whistle in his pathetic little gob quick enough.
And whats with these umpires making decisions from 80 meteres away, pathetic excuses for humans stuff em all
Not expecting anyone to understand my mumbles
But short for Richmond got his arm pinned ball gone and head smashed into the ground in a sling tackle free kick Geelong
Collingwood the same but lucky if his head even touched the grass and they get the free
Umpires absolutely killing Richmond this year
It will get us when it counts I see it coming
Why cant RFC sit down with the AFL and umpires, go through the game on Friday, review every free kick we didn't get but maybe should have and get them to explain why we are getting so badly reamed every week?EFA
Donlon, O'Gorman, Meredith
It seemed to be all down one end they were giving it to us there. To the left on the replay.
Donlon, O'Gorman, Meredith
It seemed to be all down one end they were giving it to us there. To the left on the replay.
which ump is number 10? that prick nearly made me choke on my own spit
:snidegrin get the fraud squad in... I don't believe in so coincidences. "if it bleeds we can kill it" statements before the game, umpiring rubbish all game, then this. I mean, explain to me again the closeline around the neck sling tackle head in turf, in which the Geelong player is later charged, was not a free kick to us, ends up a goal to them... There is a sewerage stink all over this stuffing game.You are 100% correct.
Good to see the AFL even it up when it didn’t matter
Comically biased tonight. 15 - 27 ::).
Time for the Club to make an official complaint.
Comically biased tonight. 15 - 27 ::).
Time for the Club to make an official complaint.
well played dimma. Put the cheats on notice. That was the worst i have seen all year tonight
That dusty hold against in the goal square to francis. FMD
My Carlton flog cousin reckons the free kick counts are just to cover up the umpire making sure we get the frees that matter at the most crucial times in games... :propeller
So protected that Jack gets ganged up on like a Swedish teenage girl and gets pinged for it.
So protected that Jack gets ganged up on like a Swedish teenage girl and gets pinged for it.
I just googled this to be sure I understood your point.
I was going to watch a replay of the game, but I think I'd better stick with understanding the issue Jack faces.
I don't think anything was "BUSTED" about Jack there.Brown got 2 free goals- 1st and 3rd quarters. Those 2 aren’t paid 90% of the time.
It's not about the fact he's given away the same amount he's received, it's what he hasn't received. Nank on the other hand has no reason to complain because he gives away obvious as hell frees all the time. Jack gave away plenty of frees that were there the other night too, but we just want him to get paid the frees he misses out on every week.
That gimp Mitch Brown got one of the softest frees ever on Friday night. 3rd quarter I think it was. Same thing happens to Jack in every contest except worse. :shh
I know, but unfortunately the first one was probably there. Broad not looking at the footy grabbed at his arm.I don't think anything was "BUSTED" about Jack there.
It's not about the fact he's given away the same amount he's received, it's what he hasn't received. Nank on the other hand has no reason to complain because he gives away obvious as hell frees all the time. Jack gave away plenty of frees that were there the other night too, but we just want him to get paid the frees he misses out on every week.
That gimp Mitch Brown got one of the softest frees ever on Friday night. 3rd quarter I think it was. Same thing happens to Jack in every contest except worse. :shh
Brown got 2 free goals- 1st and 3rd quarters. Those 2 aren’t paid 90% of the time.
Staggering we a negative -98 and top side is + 94 .Even saints second last a still nearly behind us by 50.Like I said 20 or 30 I can live with but that is a joke.
Staggering we a negative -98 and top side is + 94 .Even saints second last a still nearly behind us by 50.Like I said 20 or 30 I can live with but that is a joke.
umm no, we are - 110
Staggering we a negative -98 and top side is + 94 .Even saints second last a still nearly behind us by 50.Like I said 20 or 30 I can live with but that is a joke.
umm no, we are - 110
Your calculator is broken
stuffing get over it mate. Point is we're copping a raw deal
enough with the 'umm no' :shh
He made an interesting pointSo protected that Jack gets ganged up on like a Swedish teenage girl and gets pinged for it.
I just googled this to be sure I understood your point.
I was going to watch a replay of the game, but I think I'd better stick with understanding the issue Jack faces.
stuffing get over it mate. Point is we're copping a raw deal
enough with the 'umm no' :shh
umm no need for you to comment
:shh :shh
I have to admit when I saw the chick I thought we were in for a long day but I’ve got to say that she was actually the best one out there today. She only missed a couple that I saw one in the first and one in the last.^^ agree with this
I actually thought she was really firm when she held her position in the rear despite her deficiencies up front. Her ball pick up and bounce were superb, actually even better when watched in super slow motion on the replay :rollinI have to admit when I saw the chick I thought we were in for a long day but I’ve got to say that she was actually the best one out there today. She only missed a couple that I saw one in the first and one in the last.^^ agree with this
Can't wait to hear how they spin the RougheadUmp said the tackle lingered ................ seriously! :facepalm.throwholding the man.
Good to see nothing has changed in 13 odd years.It’s not the ones they got that irritated me but the ones we didn’t get. Seemed inconsistent at best.
Stuff me sideways how bad were the maggots.
I counted four throws little Alfie Langer would have been proud of.
Good to see nothing has changed in 13 odd years.It’s not the ones they got that irritated me but the ones we didn’t get. Seemed inconsistent at best.
Stuff me sideways how bad were the maggots.
I counted four throws little Alfie Langer would have been proud of.
Our ratio of tackles made to free kicks awarded must be the lowest in the competitions history. There are clearly two interpretations of HTB, one for us and one for every other team.I don’t understand it. If a player gets tackled and doesn’t correctly dispose of the ball it’s supposed to be a free kick. The umps just won’t pay them :banghead
With the amount of throws the Swans did I thought I was watching leagueWas about to put my Storm’s guernsey on at the game!
It was a farce in today's game. Aside from the typical Collingwood charity, twice all the players stopped in the last quarter expecting a clear HTB to be paid and it wasn't. Bomber fans lost it post-game over the umpiring which carried on to booing Pendlebury.Last nights and today’s game!
It was a farce in today's game. Aside from the typical Collingwood charity, twice all the players stopped in the last quarter expecting a clear HTB to be paid and it wasn't. Bomber fans lost it post-game over the umpiring which carried on to booing Pendlebury.Yep, I dislike both Collingwood and Essendon equally but watching the game Collingwood was on the best end of the umpiring.....Again.
I thought over the offseason, Hocking and co. said they were cracking down on illegal disposal. The umps seemed hot on their HTB interpretation during the preseason. It's now gone back to "knocked out in the tackle" or "he got a toe to it" when the tackled player is run down and just drops it.It was a farce in today's game. Aside from the typical Collingwood charity, twice all the players stopped in the last quarter expecting a clear HTB to be paid and it wasn't. Bomber fans lost it post-game over the umpiring which carried on to booing Pendlebury.Last nights and today’s game!
I’m starting to think there are some umpires that don’t actually know the incorrect disposal rule.
How can someone who is tackled and doesn’t correctly dispose of the footy by either hand or foot not be penalised for incorrect disposal?
It’s a bloody joke.
And that free to Cox for “blocking” against Hooker was mind boggling. But I’ve got to say that I don’t think most umps actually understand the rule. You’ve got to dispose of the footy in a legal way.
Is “he made an attempt” even an actual bylaw in regards to incorrect disposal? If it is I haven’t read it.I thought over the offseason, Hocking and co. said they were cracking down on illegal disposal. The umps seemed hot on their HTB interpretation during the preseason. It's now gone back to "knocked out in the tackle" or "he got a toe to it" when the tackled player is run down and just drops it.It was a farce in today's game. Aside from the typical Collingwood charity, twice all the players stopped in the last quarter expecting a clear HTB to be paid and it wasn't. Bomber fans lost it post-game over the umpiring which carried on to booing Pendlebury.Last nights and today’s game!
I’m starting to think there are some umpires that don’t actually know the incorrect disposal rule.
How can someone who is tackled and doesn’t correctly dispose of the footy by either hand or foot not be penalised for incorrect disposal?
It’s a bloody joke.
And that free to Cox for “blocking” against Hooker was mind boggling. But I’ve got to say that I don’t think most umps actually understand the rule. You’ve got to dispose of the footy in a legal way.
As for the two Lynch marks that weren't paid ::). That is clueless umpiring :facepalm.
Yep. The Pies got away with a number of head high tackles that weren't paid. One ump kept saying McDonald-Tipungwuti had ducked. Hey ump, he's only 5ft tall or thereabouts :lol. From memory, Castagna got his head almost pulled off last night at one stage in our forward line and it was called play on as well.It was a farce in today's game. Aside from the typical Collingwood charity, twice all the players stopped in the last quarter expecting a clear HTB to be paid and it wasn't. Bomber fans lost it post-game over the umpiring which carried on to booing Pendlebury.Yep, I dislike both Collingwood and Essendon equally but watching the game Collingwood was on the best end of the umpiring.....Again.
The numbers don’t really say that but it was pretty clear for me as a neutral observer.
Again, like in our game last week, it wasn’t the free kicks that were paid but the free kicks that weren’t paid.
I’m not a boo-er but I can understand why the Essendon crowd pooed at the end.
We as supporters all pay good money to go and watch our teams play, all we want is a fair game, win lose or draw, and the umpiring in the last couple of years has be “pro” Collingwood from all the games I have seen them play.
It’s time teams spoke up IMO.
Well we probably came level with frees and possibly in front but that umpiring was shocking. Some of the lowlights were;
* Tom Lynch being victim of the new non mark Tom Lynch rule
* Multiple throws and drops by them in a row then I think Balta gets pinged for doing exactly what they done about five times in a row
* A clear 50 not paid
Even though we’re winning I hope the RFC is being loud about this to the AFL as it will
cost us in close games
So maybe Buckley could come out and explain how he feels about having a club President who in recent times cracked King Kong jokes about a champion of the game.
Over to you Nathan…….
The irony meter is about to blow! Essendon supporters booing because they reckon something fishy is going on? Hmm .... :-\
The irony meter is about to blow! Essendon supporters booing because they reckon something fishy is going on? Hmm .... :-\
I saw the game yesterday. They had every right to boo. The umpires gave the game to Collingwood yesterday. To be honest yesterdays umpiring was simply shameful.
The irony meter is about to blow! Essendon supporters booing because they reckon something fishy is going on? Hmm .... :-\
I saw the game yesterday. They had every right to boo. The umpires gave the game to Collingwood yesterday. To be honest yesterdays umpiring was simply shameful.
IMHO, there should be a section on TV, 20 worst umpire clangers of the week where the umpire boss, the umpires involved and the AFL umpire coordinator are on TV to explain their decisions.
Umpires could also be rated and suspended for bad decisions.
Then if they continue.... Thumbscrews and stocks in Collins Place.
That will become Bill Shortens major campaign policyIMHO, there should be a section on TV, 20 worst umpire clangers of the week where the umpire boss, the umpires involved and the AFL umpire coordinator are on TV to explain their decisions.
Umpires could also be rated and suspended for bad decisions.
Then if they continue.... Thumbscrews and stocks in Collins Place.
What will happen is that they will implement in tandem an umpiring propaganda campaign and a boo ban on the grounds it is emotionally hurting the umpires
IMHO, there should be a section on TV, 20 worst umpire clangers of the week where the umpire boss, the umpires involved and the AFL umpire coordinator are on TV to explain their decisions.Showing my age but they use to have a segment "What's your decision?" on Ch 7's old 'World of Sport' show on Sunday morning. An umpire would be invited on and they would ask him to explain various umpiring decisions from the previous day (those were the days when all then six games were played on a Saturday arvo).
Umpires could also be rated and suspended for bad decisions.
Then if they continue.... Thumbscrews and stocks in Collins Place.
... Thumbscrews were involved... ???IMHO, there should be a section on TV, 20 worst umpire clangers of the week where the umpire boss, the umpires involved and the AFL umpire coordinator are on TV to explain their decisions.Showing my age but they use to have a segment "What's your decision?" on Ch 7's old 'World of Sport' show on Sunday morning. An umpire would be invited on and they would ask him to explain various umpiring decisions from the previous day (those were the days when all then six games were played on a Saturday arvo).
Umpires could also be rated and suspended for bad decisions.
Then if they continue.... Thumbscrews and stocks in Collins Place.
Remember it wellIMHO, there should be a section on TV, 20 worst umpire clangers of the week where the umpire boss, the umpires involved and the AFL umpire coordinator are on TV to explain their decisions.Showing my age but they use to have a segment "What's your decision?" on Ch 7's old 'World of Sport' show on Sunday morning. An umpire would be invited on and they would ask him to explain various umpiring decisions from the previous day (those were the days when all then six games were played on a Saturday arvo).
Umpires could also be rated and suspended for bad decisions.
Then if they continue.... Thumbscrews and stocks in Collins Place.
Ve haf vays of makingz you talk :lol... Thumbscrews were involved... ???IMHO, there should be a section on TV, 20 worst umpire clangers of the week where the umpire boss, the umpires involved and the AFL umpire coordinator are on TV to explain their decisions.Showing my age but they use to have a segment "What's your decision?" on Ch 7's old 'World of Sport' show on Sunday morning. An umpire would be invited on and they would ask him to explain various umpiring decisions from the previous day (those were the days when all then six games were played on a Saturday arvo).
Umpires could also be rated and suspended for bad decisions.
Then if they continue.... Thumbscrews and stocks in Collins Place.
Can we send the umpiring dept. a "please, explain"?
First half: 2 - 12
Second half: 13 - 8
We tackled someone today and 8 players stopped because they knew it was HTB yet it got called olay on... WTF!
Deliberate out of bounds free kicksI think the umps missed that it was a wet and very slippery night.
Round 10, 2019: 16 (4th highest recorded)
Richmond v Essendon, R10, 2019: 7 (2nd highest recorded)
Average per game R10, 2019: 1.77
Average per game per round 2017-R10, 2019: 0.5
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/snapshot-deliberate-and-not-so-deliberate-calls-at-dreamtime-20190528-p51rub.html
I reckon 1, maybe 2, of those frees were actually there. Mindboggling
What an absolute stuffing blight on the game Rayzor is..the .idiot seriously thinks he's part of the entertainment..joke that he's umpired 298 matches...hope they fho for good one short of his 300th... :shh
How about the one where Broad got pinged for HTB when ball was under the Norf player's arse... :huh... tell us about the Simpkin’s goal, please?
...and don't get the started on the Simpkins goal... >:(
How about the one where Broad got pinged for HTB when ball was under the Norf player's arse... :huh... tell us about the Simpkin’s goal, please?
...and don't get the started on the Simpkins goal... >:(
Yep, I agree, shouldn’t have been allowed.How about the one where Broad got pinged for HTB when ball was under the Norf player's arse... :huh... tell us about the Simpkin’s goal, please?
...and don't get the started on the Simpkins goal... >:(
Sorry not Simpkins I meant Anderson's first goal...Grimes was manhandled on the line.... :shh
There's too many rules that are open to interpretation and afford the umpires too much discretion.... :shhThis is true, there are too many grey areas in the rules. It does make the game hard to umpire as a result. But there is nothing more frustrating than when an umpire can't see a defender being blatantly bear-hugged on the goal line, unable to even put a hand out to save a goal. If the umpires just paid the obvious frees I'd be far more sympathetic towards them. More basics from the umpires & less 'Look at Me' officiating would be a good start.
Umpire 32 is the worst in the comp, a known Richmond hater and a disgrace to the AFLThat's Jacob Mollison.
Muppet of gargantuan proportions.Umpire 32 is the worst in the comp, a known Richmond hater and a disgrace to the AFLThat's Jacob Mollison.
Surely common sense prevails in the studs up rule. 🤦🏼♂️
You’re allowed to protect space, understandably if it’s malicious & deliberately aimed at an opponent then blow the whistle...
— Mitch Robinson (@MitchRobinson05) August 18, 2019 (https://twitter.com/MitchRobinson05/status/1162945904875171845)
The decision by the umpire that paid the kick out decision against Jack Riewoldt was just horrible. @AFL leave the game alone ! #afltigerseagles
— Brant Softley (@BigsofoBrant) August 18, 2019 (https://twitter.com/BigsofoBrant/status/1162936117739474944)
All because of you Toby Greene.
— Dull Jack Riewoldt (@DullJackR8) August 18, 2019 (https://twitter.com/DullJackR8/status/1162935340044177408?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
Greene was receiving a handpass and raised his foot at Dahlhaus' head as an act to avoid being tackled. It was a free kick under the old rules as a high fend off. We didn't need another AFL overreaction to one incident and another new rule that gets misinterpreted.There was an example shown tonight on the news where Toby Green basically kicked an opponent then took the mark. I can’t remember who it was against though. Sydney maybe??
In both of Jack's cases, they were leaps to mark a ball that had been kicked towards him (it wouldn't be a marking attempt otherwise). Happens dozens of times in every AFL match. The ump got it wrong ... twice! It was a dud rule anyway but just spineless and dishonest for the AFL to claim they were the right calls under that rule. Otherwise, where's the video examples they present to the umpires and clubs preseason showing such a call in a marking contest as being the correct decision?!
'Razor Ray' isn't afraid to make a big call on the big stage
Just before half-time Geelong led by 15 points and could easily have been five goals up. A Jason Castagna set-shot conversion had broken a run of five successive goals by the Cats when umpire Ray Chamberlain made a courageous decision. After a marking contest 50 metres from Geelong's goal, Chamberlain blew his whistle to award a free kick to Geelong superstar Patrick Dangerfield. However, Tiger defender Bachar Houli believed he was the beneficiary and beckoned his skipper Trent Cotchin to give him the ball, and Cotchin obliged. Chamberlain's whistle sounded again and he delivered a 50-metre penalty and the easiest of goals for Dangerfield to the boos of Tigers fans. Late in the third term Chamberlain again incurred the wrath of the yellow-and-black army when he failed to award an apparently obvious 50-metre penalty when Tiger Tom Lynch was lining up from the arc.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-09-20/five-things-we-learned-lynch-thrives-on-big-stage
so are we going to hear about dangers drive all week like we did about grimesy????
so are we going to hear about dangers drive all week like we did about grimesy????
There should be 2 fines this week for staging
One for Dangerfield and one for the that kid Myers who went down after Houli brushed past him in the 3rd like he'd been collected by Balmey in his prime
Surprised nothing was said about Henderson literally mugging Grimes on the goal line on 2 occasions. In reality it looked like 2 easy mark / spoil opportunities that resulted in goals to them.Oh man that was peeing me off, he had him in a half nelson, pulling him backwards in front of that idiot umpire multiple times ....nothing to see here carry on...ffs
Conversation on Crunch time on SEN right now is that those umps are in really good form and may end up there next week
Thought they were ok - horrendous danger free and 50 call aside.
Didn’t blow their whistle every 2 mins like we’ve seen all finals series. Sub 40 free kick count was refreshing.
Confirmed.Conversation on Crunch time on SEN right now is that those umps are in really good form and may end up there next week
Rayzor in the GF... :facepalm :help
Stevic and Ryan were 2 of the umpires back in 2017Almost a given that Razer will provide at least one absolute clanger, hopefully it favours us.
They were very good that day.
So happy with those 2, would have had Rosebury as the 3rd not Rayzor
Stevic and Ryan were 2 of the umpires back in 2017
They were very good that day.
So happy with those 2, would have had Rosebury as the 3rd not Rayzor
Absolutely pathetic to pay them one way only
Best one was Charlie stay out, Charlie rucks and no free
According to the Port supporters they were robbed 11 times. :rollin
They're the South Australian Collingwood...'nuff said... :shh
We had the better of it for sureAre you taking the pee Damo??
The free kick numbers quite often lie and this was a prime example game
Win the free kick count by double the opposition and still complain about the umpiring??
We apparently have no heads.
How many times will Tomahawk get away with clear push in the backs?def
I’ve counted 3 and it’s only half time. :banghead
At an all time low :banghead
Riewoldt propelling himself forward in every single marking contest, can’t believe he doesn’t get done for staging
Putrid umpiring display!
Richmond will always be too good with that kind of assistance.
The Richmond bias umpiring and pro Richmond commentary always kills the enjoyment. It's always ugly.
Hooter - where you been ya old lefty scumbag? :santahiding from COVID, Trump, Frysenberg, my mum died so the old man needs a bit of looking after.
Umps in today's match letting the game go as it should be in finals.Naitanui also in the pies game. No fifty.
Zak Jones kicked the ball away after a free to the Dogs and it wasn't paid 50. Hmmm!
Umps in today's match letting the game go as it should be in finals.Naitanui also in the pies game. No fifty.
Zak Jones kicked the ball away after a free to the Dogs and it wasn't paid 50. Hmmm!
Usually a level of grace is given for not hearing the umpires call.
But no grace offered when it was our players . :rollin
All we ask for is consistency during games and from match to match.Umps in today's match letting the game go as it should be in finals.Naitanui also in the pies game. No fifty.
Zak Jones kicked the ball away after a free to the Dogs and it wasn't paid 50. Hmmm!
Usually a level of grace is given for not hearing the umpires call.
But no grace offered when it was our players . :rollin
This actually peees me off a lot when players kick the ball away. They do it assuming they have got the advantage and then pretend they can't hear anything or hope it was quick enough to pretend as much.
All year I've been wanted that crap called.
Now they pull the trigger for one game against us.
Just be consistent. I'm ok if it's done every time. Bolton and Martin clearly knew they'd given away frees.
Wow.... umps given directives at half time??Who said? Is this fact?
Check that the ball was entirely over the line which it was not (IMO)
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St Kilda were robbed against Richmond by an ‘embarrassing’ blunder
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https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/st-kilda-robbed-of-a-critical-goal-after-embarrassing-arc-blunder/news-story/3930a9038b46fea5d7b5f415c41efdcc
Which one is that blonde punce that likes to impose himself early on the game with soft free kicks?Razor Ray?
Not meant to be a sook at the umps tonight as I thought they were pretty fair and consistent. But why was deliberate OOBs made surprise rule of the week in a Prelim final? It obviously came from the powers that be and not the umps. This out of the blue interpretation change is what ticks off us supporters.
Well umpired for the most part I thought.
Was expecting a large crowd influence but umps kept their head and were fair.
Glad they put the whistle away, why can’t all games be umpired this way?!
Well done umpires :thumbsup
Well umpired for the most part I thought.
Was expecting a large crowd influence but umps kept their head and were fair.
Glad they put the whistle away, why can’t all games be umpired this way?!
Well done umpires :thumbsup
Agree
Thought they were good last night and not influenced by the crowd
DeBoy is known to be whistle happy at home on Adelaide
The free kick that I was most curious about was from the kick-in after Lynch’s miss to start the 4th quarter. Dixon jumped into the back of one if our players and got awarded a free kick for a block.
Then there was the high contact free kick later on and just before Vlas gave away the free kick in front of the sticks, 2 Port players collided and somehow got a free kick.
The missus had to leave the room when that happened some how a port player hitting another port player with his hip was our fault LOL I shook the house foundations roaring at the bastard umpire.Then there was the high contact free kick later on and just before Vlas gave away the free kick in front of the sticks, 2 Port players collided and somehow got a free kick.
I thought I was the only person to notice that. :lol
Was a shocker
Must have been a one-night only rule. No such thing as deliberate in tonight's prelim :huh.There were at least three tonight that weren't paid that would've been paid deliberate last night.
Oh how bout that throw from the Geelong player to Gabblett Junior god boy for a goal LOL so blatant, good show umpire!Dangerfield threw that. Ump on the wrong side to see it.
What’s even funnier is the commentators were debating why It wasn’t holding the ball :facepalm :facepalm
I thought Broad was stiff to give a free kick away mid last quarter for high contact on a spoil. Live it looked like all ball and just normal incidental body contact but they didn’t show a replay.
Frees were 7-19 at half time.
Is any tech heads able to post the trip here please?Here you go, Frankie.
Clearly a trip but in typical Carlton fashion looking forward excludes as to why they lost.
I’d love to send it off to those years Carlton supporters this morning who are rambling on about it.
Now that I'm watching 2'teams I care nothing about the stand rule is absolute garbage and has to go.Watching on TV, it looked like both sides were just flooding numbers back to counter the standing rule and so the ball was bouncing between the arcs. 17 goals combined is hardly high scoring. Even last year with shorter games and without the rule we saw scores of 69-53.
Might be a bit biased but I also seem to notice that when there is a contentious decision our way they replay from about 50 different camera angles and then in super slowmo. When it goes the other way, maybe one replay if we're lucky, might just be coincidence but it's happened a few times.I thought Broad was stiff to give a free kick away mid last quarter for high contact on a spoil. Live it looked like all ball and just normal incidental body contact but they didn’t show a replay.
Frees were 7-19 at half time.
That was pure cheating.
That's probably the worst non call by an umpire for Geelong there. What a howler.Yep. Another game of poor umpiring. It's been a whole day for it :thumbsdown.
I'm sure we're all death riding cats losses so I'm quite upset.
Umpires in general weren't very good at all.
Chris Scott angry at every umpires call where he throws the phone is priceless
A bit younger and the Wallabies would snap him up :lolThat's probably the worst non call by an umpire for Geelong there. What a howler.Yep. Another game of poor umpiring. It's been a whole day for it :thumbsdown.
I'm sure we're all death riding cats losses so I'm quite upset.
Umpires in general weren't very good at all.
Chris Scott angry at every umpires call where he throws the phone is priceless
How about this Selwood rugby pass too right in front of the ump:
https://gyazo.com/c323f4545a53a83d1fcf44b7b737820d
Why was that a free against McIntoshApparently the ump paid below the knee contract (taking out Rampe's legs).
Certainly weren't the reason we lost but they certainky made sure we never got too close... :thumbsdown
Papley and Heeney were untouchable today whereas any head contact on us was called play on.
The blatant cheating decision was Nank's mark. It was right in front of Ump #7 (Dalgleish) who had clear vision of it but he kept silent. It was the umpire 50m away in the centre of the groumd (Ump #4) who flapped his arms and called play on.
https://www.afl.com.au/video/576634/tigers-fans-furious-after-non-mark-call-ends-sour
As I said in the game thread, our pathetic-ness hid a disgraceful umpiring display. Ump #4 (Power) should never umpire our matches ever again.
Not sure if this was mentioned. It’s been brought up today that Hocking studied Richmond in the hub and then came the Man on the mark rule change.
So he obviously was teary after we tore the cats apart and went to school on changing our dominance.
Not sure if this was mentioned. It’s been brought up today that Hocking studied Richmond in the hub and then came the Man on the mark rule change.
So he obviously was teary after we tore the cats apart and went to school on changing our dominance.
Not sure if this was mentioned. It’s been brought up today that Hocking studied Richmond in the hub and then came the Man on the mark rule change.
So he obviously was teary after we tore the cats apart and went to school on changing our dominance.
There was a quote on the news outlet about it.If that is true that is mind blowing how we can change rules because of a certain teams success and style of game.He is pathetic as a administrator and not accountable.
Yep - complete myth that it was Hawthorn's GF tactics caused that rule change...they started banging on about it straight after that Bowden match v Essendon.....and of course the first player pinged under the new rule..Jordan McMahon from Richmond... :shh
The 6-6-6 rule was designed to stop us as well- but then we got Lynch..... :shh :shh
Even Purple Parrot's campaign to downgrade our Ellis compo was AFL orchestrated - he writes for their website...said nothing the year before re: WC's compo for Lycett despite it being an identical situation....flogs saying we're AFL pets now have NFI...they've screwed us over for years going all way back to the Lockett deal.. hell going all the way back to the 70's when the VFL changed the recruiting zones in middle of our last dynasty... :shh :shh :shh
Not sure if this was mentioned. It’s been brought up today that Hocking studied Richmond in the hub and then came the Man on the mark rule change.
So he obviously was teary after we tore the cats apart and went to school on changing our dominance.
There was a quote on the news outlet about it.If that is true that is mind blowing how we can change rules because of a certain teams success and style of game.He is pathetic as a administrator and not accountable.
Yep - complete myth that it was Hawthorn's GF tactics caused that rule change...they started banging on about it straight after that Bowden match v Essendon.....and of course the first player pinged under the new rule..Jordan McMahon from Richmond... :shh
The 6-6-6 rule was designed to stop us as well- but then we got Lynch..... :shh :shh
Even Purple Parrot's campaign to downgrade our Ellis compo was AFL orchestrated - he writes for their website...said nothing the year before re: WC's compo for Lycett despite it being an identical situation....flogs saying we're AFL pets now have NFI...they've screwed us over for years going all way back to the Lockett deal.. hell going all the way back to the 70's when the VFL changed the recruiting zones in middle of our last dynasty... :shh :shh :shh
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EyLNRftVcAkgClD?format=jpg&name=large)Not sure if this was mentioned. It’s been brought up today that Hocking studied Richmond in the hub and then came the Man on the mark rule change.
So he obviously was teary after we tore the cats apart and went to school on changing our dominance.
There was a quote on the news outlet about it.If that is true that is mind blowing how we can change rules because of a certain teams success and style of game.He is pathetic as a administrator and not accountable.
an article from a scott gullin bloke back in March. Cotch was the main culprit or beneficiary from standing the mark and gaining advantage.
does it surprise you given how much scott, hocking and cats in general hate us? Ben Dixon last night tried to draw a comparison to that rule change and the deliberate handball through for a behind change after the 08 grand final. I call garbage to that as once again that was a rule change was already in the pipeline after the bowden game.
When Edwards got that 50 against him the was annoying.
The reason he moved was the player running past and the start of a feigned hand pass.
Is that what is part of the game/new rule.??
Once the player who has the kick does any sort of move surely that is an automatic play on??
Any comments??
Did Bolton not tackle a player on the wing who just dropped the ball right before the kick inside 50 for grays winner????? :banghead :banghead :banghead
How can we only get 12 free kicks in a full game of footy. Around have of those were from out on the fulls too so they were giving us nothing from open play.
Did Bolton not tackle a player on the wing who just dropped the ball right before the kick inside 50 for grays winner????? :banghead :banghead :banghead
How can we only get 12 free kicks in a full game of footy. Around have of those were from out on the fulls too so they were giving us nothing from open play.
Spilled out in the tackle the umps were saying to our boys all night. Why tackle at all :banghead
It was bloody dropping the ball you pathetic umpire
How wasn't Gray deliberate is mind blowing he had one intention and that's all umpiring is disgraceful no balls to call it.
Not being biased but probably the most one sided umpiring for the season!
How wasn't Gray deliberate is mind blowing he had one intention and that's all umpiring is disgraceful no balls to call it.
The Gray decision was correct as he was under pressure. The rule itself is wrong.
If he had done same thing 5 metres around from the point post, straight over the boundary then it would have been deliberate.
That's where the deliberate rushed rule is flawed. This idea of "pressure" is open to being abused.
For me the worst decision in the last and there were many was the non free to Lynch in front of the goal post he was basically choked around the neck.
Different between and losing for mine
It was put to me one ump paid 0 to us and paid 10 to them :banghead :gobdrop
It was put to me one ump paid 0 to us and paid 10 to them :banghead :gobdrop
Name?
David King made the same point on Fox Footy.How wasn't Gray deliberate is mind blowing he had one intention and that's all umpiring is disgraceful no balls to call it.
The Gray decision was correct as he was under pressure. The rule itself is wrong.
If he had done same thing 5 metres around from the point post, straight over the boundary then it would have been deliberate.
That's where the deliberate rushed rule is flawed. This idea of "pressure" is open to being abused.
For me the worst decision in the last and there were many was the non free to Lynch in front of the goal post he was basically choked around the neck.
Different between and losing for mine
Agreed. They should just make it a free kick if you rush a behind at all, or not at all.
Same with out of bounds.
Anything with umpire discretion is questionable.
It was put to me one ump paid 0 to us and paid 10 to them :banghead :gobdrop
Name?
It was put to me one ump paid 0 to us and paid 10 to them :banghead :gobdrop
Name?
No need for me to name the names:shh
It's an absolute disgrace is what it is.
Umpires still riding Richmond.
Another rubbish 50.
"You held the ball too long"
GAGF
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/afl-2021-round-5-saints-v-tigers-thurs-april-15th-7-20pm-est-marvel-tigercast-link-in-op.1262727/post-69580859
Saint supporters blaming the umps :lol.Quote from: Plugger35Umpires still riding Richmond.
Another rubbish 50.
"You held the ball too long"
GAGF
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/afl-2021-round-5-saints-v-tigers-thurs-april-15th-7-20pm-est-marvel-tigercast-link-in-op.1262727/post-69580859
I'd like to see a crackdown on kicks that go about 8m.Agree wayne. Dimma mentioned this after the Swans game too.
Saint supporters blaming the umps :lol.Quote from: Plugger35Umpires still riding Richmond.
Another rubbish 50.
"You held the ball too long"
GAGF
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/afl-2021-round-5-saints-v-tigers-thurs-april-15th-7-20pm-est-marvel-tigercast-link-in-op.1262727/post-69580859
Free Kicks:
St Kilda 23
Richmond 13
Bevo said last week the adjudication of whether a kick has travelled 10 or 15m depended on the night. Strange call to deny Jeremy Cameron. It was far from a 50-50. Nobody would’ve cried foul if the mark was paid. Geelong’s Zac Bailey moment. Jezza to be the hero against Richmond?https://twitter.com/SamLandsberger/status/1388470489824206855
Perfect time now to make a formal complaint after a win so they can't accuse us of sooking after a loss.
As Fluffy Tiger says, it's the ones they don't pay to us that are the main issue. We get pinged for things the opposition don't. For all our tackling and pressure tonight I can only remember two HTBs paid to us (RCD's in the 1st qtr and then one late in the last qtr deep in our backline)
Perfect time now to make a formal complaint after a win so they can't accuse us of sooking after a loss.Spot on, that was terrible.....
As Fluffy Tiger says, it's the ones they don't pay to us that are the main issue. We get pinged for things the opposition don't. For all our tackling and pressure tonight I can only remember two HTBs paid to us (RCD's in the 1st qtr and then one late in the last qtr deep in our backline)
I thought the female ump was the best out of the lot LOL she is right onto things straight away and pays poo the other sly pricks let slide for the other side. She even paid our tackles, so refreshing.
I agree. I thought she was the best of them Friday night. Number 3 on the other hand was woeful.I thought the female ump was the best out of the lot LOL she is right onto things straight away and pays poo the other sly pricks let slide for the other side. She even paid our tackles, so refreshing.
Totally agree Owl. Applys the rules and doesn’t second guess player intent which is where Razor drives me nuts.
I thought the female ump was the best out of the lot LOL she is right onto things straight away and pays poo the other sly pricks let slide for the other side. She even paid our tackles, so refreshing.
I thought the female ump was the best out of the lot LOL she is right onto things straight away and pays poo the other sly pricks let slide for the other side. She even paid our tackles, so refreshing.
I thought she was crap but got better in the last quarter. #3 was terrible
I thought the female ump was the best out of the lot LOL she is right onto things straight away and pays poo the other sly pricks let slide for the other side. She even paid our tackles, so refreshing.
I thought she was crap but got better in the last quarter. #3 was terrible
Number 3 was Leigh Fisher, former AFL player. It would appear the following applies: Average player, average ump
You guys all realise that the way we play the game means that a negative differential in the free kick count is expected
Getting bored with all the umpire this, umpire that sooking
We play a tough high pressure game that will more often that not result in us copping it .. that game style resulted in 3 premierships and 3 years of copping it hard from the umpires .. live with it
We aren’t victims
You guys all realise that the way we play the game means that a negative differential in the free kick count is expectedCouldn't disagree with this anymore. We are smashed with decisions and non decisions every week. I get statistical anomolies occur but not for this length of time.
Getting bored with all the umpire this, umpire that sooking
We play a tough high pressure game that will more often that not result in us copping it .. that game style resulted in 3 premierships and 3 years of copping it hard from the umpires .. live with it
We aren’t victims
The standard of umpiring has never been better :rollin
North's Cameron Zurhaar did a Castagna and was pinged for deliberate out of bounds :huh3.
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1390934601191673864
So de goey gets 2 goals from 50's. One of which was a replica of what wasn't paid against the cats player for not going back on the mark.
What a load of poo
The standard of umpiring has never been better :rollin
North's Cameron Zurhaar did a Castagna and was pinged for deliberate out of bounds :huh3.
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1390934601191673864So de goey gets 2 goals from 50's. One of which was a replica of what wasn't paid against the cats player for not going back on the mark.
What a load of poo
North Melbourne coach David Noble will contact the umpiring department after a series of controversial decisions went against the Kangaroos in their 18-point loss to Collingwood.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/noble-to-call-umpires-seeking-clarity-on-contentious-decisions-20210508-p57q61.html
The free kick differential ladder is out and not surprisingly we are at the bottom with 50 less against than for. We average 16.13% free kicks a game. Compared that to Adelaide who get an average of 22.9% a game. It is sometimes the ones you dont get that cause the issue.
No surprise we have the lowest frees for. As we've said, it's the frees we don't get that is the issue :thumbsdown.I agree, unfortunately in these shots it looks like they are holding each other, maybe Dusty needs to lift his arms up or try some other method?? Gurus comments??
eg: Stewart holding and scragging Dusty off the ball and no free is paid.
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/umpiring/DustyHeldByStewart.png)
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/umpiring/DustyHeldByStewart2.png)
St Kilda coach Brett Ratten has called out the umpires after his side's defeat to Geelong, questioning the lack of holding the ball calls in the match.Have raised this before, there seems to be two different interpretations of holding the ball, have heard umpires saying a player attempted to dispose of the ball albeit with one hand, while another will just call it incorrect disposal. I think if you don't kick it and you don't handball correctly when tackled with or without prior then its a free.
While the free-kick count was relatively even throughout the contest (13-12 Geelong's way), Ratten was left miffed after his side laid 87 tackles and received just three holding the ball decisions in their favour.
"To think you'd have (87) tackles, I thought we out-tackled them, and you get three free-kicks for the day?" he told reporters.
"I don't know if it's worth tackling, just set up behind the ball and flood back. I don't think we got reward for our effort in the tackling component of the game.
https://wwos.nine.com.au/afl/brett-ratten-questions-umpires-after-st-kilda-loss-to-geelong/0abcc011-da5d-4de4-9add-8a121917d9a0
Asked by a reporter if he was upset by Geelong players seeming to drop or throw the ball at times on Friday night, Ratten responded, “You said it, I didn’t say it.”
“If that’s a handball - jeepers.”
https://twitter.com/merrrnique/status/1393202985203765254
Given the Cats seem to be the team that throws consistently I wonder if that annoys Hocking to the point where he will suggest a rule change to address an issue seemingly giving one team an advantage over all other teams.
Like I said. Get rid of prior opportunity and more than half of the umpiring issues are solved.I like it Tigeritis!!
Player chooses to take possession of the ball and doesn’t get rid of it legally - fee kick.
Easy. Watch footy prior to ‘96, like the Rich v Ess semi final ‘95 or any game in ‘95 you will see less stoppages and more free flowing footy because there was no prior opportunity rule and players were paid free kicks when they tackled someone.
Like I said. Get rid of prior opportunity and more than half of the umpiring issues are solved.I like it Tigeritis!!
Player chooses to take possession of the ball and doesn’t get rid of it legally - fee kick.
Easy. Watch footy prior to ‘96, like the Rich v Ess semi final ‘95 or any game in ‘95 you will see less stoppages and more free flowing footy because there was no prior opportunity rule and players were paid free kicks when they tackled someone.
Robbo on 3aw just said that during an ad break on AFL360 last Monday night, Hardwick told him the number of throws in the game is getting out of control.
Seems coaches are getting ticked off with Geelong especially throwing the ball and getting away with it. Selwood the chief offender.
Does anyone think the way we play is partly to blame at all for the differential ?.
Does anyone think the way we play is partly to blame at all for the differential ?Frees against are mostly our own fault but the lowest frees for is not our doing. We don't control an ump's whistle.
Like I said. Get rid of prior opportunity and more than half of the umpiring issues are solved.
Player chooses to take possession of the ball and doesn’t get rid of it legally - fee kick.
Easy. Watch footy prior to ‘96, like the Rich v Ess semi final ‘95 or any game in ‘95 you will see less stoppages and more free flowing footy because there was no prior opportunity rule and players were paid free kicks when they tackled someone.
No he didn’t. But you know what they say about great minds :lolLike I said. Get rid of prior opportunity and more than half of the umpiring issues are solved.
Player chooses to take possession of the ball and doesn’t get rid of it legally - fee kick.
Easy. Watch footy prior to ‘96, like the Rich v Ess semi final ‘95 or any game in ‘95 you will see less stoppages and more free flowing footy because there was no prior opportunity rule and players were paid free kicks when they tackled someone.
Did Dimma give you a call Tigeritis?
He said exactly the same thing at his presser this morning, get rid of prior opportunity :clapping
Get rid of prior opportunity rule. It’s too open to interpretation. Footy survived without it for hundreds of years.This was my first recent post about it and I think Hardwick articulated it perfectly too.
I think it causes all these issues. No call for holding the ball. No call for dropping the ball (incorrect disposal). No calls for ball seemingly falling out of hands when tackled. All because the umpire is trying to ascertain prior opportunity. If prior opportunity doesn’t exist all these are free kicks and the ball is moving again and stoppage is avoided (ball up avoided). Increased speed means more tired players means more open games means more goals scored and a return to mid 90’s footy and pre-prior opportunity rule introduction (1996)
Currently if your a forward and your running after the ball with the defender the forward is encouraged not to possess the ball but to wait for the defender to get possession so the forward can tackle to create a stoppage the defender doesn’t mind because if there’s no prior he won’t get pinged.
This happens time and time again and we get multiple stoppages.
Get rid of Prior opportunity players and clubs will adapt to it. Good players already do and know how to get rid of the footy they are already good at it because they are ball getters and are elite.
If a player decides to possess the ball he must dispose of it properly otherwise he will think of different ways to make it work as we have seen countless times by Dusty. The great players are already doing it because they are ball winners.
Even on Friday night we saw Rioli tap the ball into space and run onto it creating a nice passage of attacking footy. We would see more of that type of thing.
A lot of problems would be solved and umpires would love to be able to just call it as it is.
#getridofprioropportinity
Change the rules, prior opportunity is out, fine.Players won’t always possess the ball. The best players (like Dusty) will do as they do now and still get the ball and somehow extract the ball and we will continue to marvel at their skill. The others will have to be more inventive by taping knocking or punching the ball into space so they can run onto it.
Around 180 tackles are made in each game, so tell me how we avoid paying 180 free kicks per game after the prior opportunity rule goes out? :help
They don't need to remove the prior opportunity rule. They just need to pay the blatant incorrect disposals during a tackle. It's really not that hard. The throws and the dropping the balls that we all see.
Seriously...
If we don't officially complain were soft.
At some point the coach has to stand up in public and call these cheats out for exactly what it is... blatant cheating and double standards. Credit to our boys for not teeing off at this crap on field.
At some point the coach has to stand up in public and call these cheats out for exactly what it is... blatant cheating and double standards. Credit to our boys for not teeing off at this crap on field.
Seriously? You want him to call them cheats?
He'd cop a suspension a bloody big one :facepalm
So you can grab Dusty around neck and get a free kick????? #AFLLionsTigers
Free kick count
Brisbane - 18
Richmond - 4
Richmond lead by 5 points.
I know it’s at the Gabba but wow. That is a slaughtering.
#AFLLionsTigers
Give 20 free kicks to the Tigers and watch the scoreboard 🤬! #biasedumpires #AFLLionsTigers
Tigers playing against 21 on the field tonight.
I know there’s only one team on the field the lions with extra support thanks to @AFL & the umpires .. >:( >:( #AFLLionsTigershttps://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/afl-fans-fume-at-umpiring-farce-in-heated-clash-of-premiership-heavyweights/news-story/430d86f724951bf37c1f42811a5f6114
Richmond is being screwed and Id say its a deliberate strategy.
Pickett suspended yet this high shot on Short is given the all clear by the MRO and the umps ::).
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1-5aA9VEAIFjf5?format=jpg&name=small) (https://twitter.com/SpartanGhost17/status/1396017379088343041)
Watch here: https://twitter.com/SpartanGhost17/status/1396017379088343041
Loool another branch of there dictatorship any sport in the world you can question umpiring and decisions as long done the right way how many results afl has come out and admitted they got it wrong and it cost games not including our Port one the out of bounce.They think immune to criticism.
Just imagine if Neil Warnock was an AFL coach. He'd be ban for years :lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU0PbRCMJdQ
"It's a disgrace"
"Is he lying or did he see that?"
"How do I mark him today? That's the best I've seen him referee that. I've had some nightmares with him. I thought he had a good game but he was wrong there."
"Honestly, the laws of the game and the people that run it now ... Mike Riley .... crikey! ... he'll probably end up running the referee association this guy"
Needs a complete overhaul does this side of the game. I blame Hocking the spud :wallywink
I disagree.Needs a complete overhaul does this side of the game. I blame Hocking the spud :wallywink
Yep he is single handedly ruining the game
His rule changes haven't improved the game one iota
Needs a complete overhaul does this side of the game. I blame Hocking the spud :wallywink
Yep he is single handedly ruining the game
His rule changes haven't improved the game one iota
A tie between us and the umps for dumb decisions and execution of them. The umps were biased and shocking but we still should have won.. We led most of the game and the decisions cost the outcome. The other thing they kept getting away with all night was shoving players in the back at marking comps even into other players.
Pickett's "dangerous tackle" call has to be one of the worst umpiring decisions ever made. I wonder if we will get a worthless apology now during the week like Brisbane and Geelong did ::).
On 360 they measured Ryan's kick at 14.5 metres (bullshyte) which according to Laurel & Hardy was "close enough".... ::)Here's the segment from 360:
Was it the full 15 metres?
By AAP
15 June 2021
WEST Coast forward Josh Kennedy admits he was a little lucky to be paid the mark that led to his match-winning goal against Richmond, but he's adamant the ball travelled the necessary 15 metres.
Debate has raged about the distance of Liam Ryan's pass ever since Kennedy nailed the snap with 40 seconds to go that sunk the tigers by four points last Sunday night.
A measurement of the kick broadcast on Fox Footy placed it at 14.5 metres - 50 centimetres short of what is required under official rules for a mark to be paid (watch the pass in the player below).
Kennedy says it travelled the necessary distance but understands the umpires could have easily thought otherwise.
"They're the ones that sometimes they call play on, sometimes they don't. I was quite lucky in the end," Kennedy told 6PR.
"I felt like it was 15m and the umpire called it 15m, so we'll take it.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/632014/was-it-the-full-15-metres-lucky-josh-on-that-liam-ryan-pass
No way did we deserve to win...but jeez wasn't just the Gold Coast who ambushed us tonight..... :bangheadYou didn’t watch the first quarter?
No way did we deserve to win...but jeez wasn't just the Gold Coast who ambushed us tonight..... :bangheadYou didn’t watch the first quarter?
Come on mate :shh
:rollin
:lolNo way did we deserve to win...but jeez wasn't just the Gold Coast who ambushed us tonight..... :bangheadYou didn’t watch the first quarter?
Come on mate :shh
:rollin
Do you ever read a post properly? :shh
How was umpiring in the last quarter when it most mattered? :shh :shh
Riewoldt to the umps after the match: "You fu$%ing crucified us tonight."
Riewoldt to the umps after the match: "You fu$%ing crucified us tonight."
Well all i can say to Jack is get a kick, take a mark and kick straight. Until you start doing this- shut up!
Riewoldt to the umps after the match: "You fu$%ing crucified us tonight."
Well all i can say to Jack is get a kick, take a mark and kick straight. Until you start doing this- shut up!
I would've just liked him to kill the ball over the boundary line.... :banghead
Riewoldt to the umps after the match: "You fu$%ing crucified us tonight."https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1410573352683675650
Riewoldt to the umps after the match: "You fu$%ing crucified us tonight."https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1410573352683675650
More people speak up about this without fear of AFL reprisals the betterRiewoldt to the umps after the match: "You fu$%ing crucified us tonight."https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1410573352683675650
Riewoldt to the umps after the match: "You fu$%ing crucified us tonight."https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1410573352683675650
Terrific, just terrificTM,
Jack,
Yes the umps were crap but your job is to kick goals and you missed the ones you should have kicked
Can i suggest you focus on that >:(
But they did crucify us, umpiring this year has been at it’s all time worst in my time of watching it. I can honestly say I’ve only felt like the umpires have cost us games of football a handful of time over many years watching the tigers .... this year I can nominate 3 or 4 games that have cost us this year alone.
Steve Hocking is leaving his post at the AFL to become Geelong Cats’ new CEO
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/geelong/steve-hocking-is-leaving-his-post-at-the-afl-to-become-geelong-cats-new-ceo/news-story/ea6a73a688dcda4c37355d912832d7f8
you couldnt make it up if you tried what has gone on here.
Steve Hocking is leaving his post at the AFL to become Geelong Cats’ new CEO
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/geelong/steve-hocking-is-leaving-his-post-at-the-afl-to-become-geelong-cats-new-ceo/news-story/ea6a73a688dcda4c37355d912832d7f8
you couldnt make it up if you tried what has gone on here.
Who cares he is going
Obviously he feels he can't stuff the game any further
They should be better considering there’s no crowd bias to sway their decision making process.
But clearly they are just as blind as any Carlton supporter :rollin
Wow , outrageous Decisions.https://twitter.com/mattricho0/status/1426121620297437193
AFL rule of the week…….Umpires make sure Tigers don’t make finals. (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f602.png) (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f602.png)https://twitter.com/Thomo_Grant/status/1426121232164872197
Geez we are seeing some soft free kicks paid.https://twitter.com/Jude_Bolton/status/1426124627613413376
#AFLGiantsTigers
YEShttps://twitter.com/hasumpstuffedup/status/1426120471867576321
That's absolutely NOT a FK against Lynch there.
Shocking call. #AFLGiantsTigers
Stuff me I didn’t know the umpires got presented with medals for the GF
That’s seriously stuffed up
Stuff me I didn’t know the umpires got presented with medals for the GF
That’s seriously stuffed up
Been happening since about 2016
The Umps were amongst the Bullducks best players last night...
I guarantee you will be again last on the ladder for free kicks third year in a row and mind you with a huge minus of 30 to 40 frees to the team above us.
I guarantee you will be again last on the ladder for free kicks third year in a row and mind you with a huge minus of 30 to 40 frees to the team above us.
It's the way we play and why we've been so successful. We push boundaries
I agree with the position we will be in, but my concern is that it is not about the way we play….I guarantee you will be again last on the ladder for free kicks third year in a row and mind you with a huge minus of 30 to 40 frees to the team above us.
It's the way we play and why we've been so successful. We push boundaries
You really genuinely believe that :lol.
It's not the free kicks we give away that ticks us off though. It's the ones we don't get that do.I guarantee you will be again last on the ladder for free kicks third year in a row and mind you with a huge minus of 30 to 40 frees to the team above us.
It's the way we play and why we've been so successful. We push boundaries
It's not the free kicks we give away that ticks us off though. It's the ones we don't get that do.I guarantee you will be again last on the ladder for free kicks third year in a row and mind you with a huge minus of 30 to 40 frees to the team above us.
It's the way we play and why we've been so successful. We push boundaries
How was Dangerfield's raised fly kick to Miller's upper chest missed by the ump and not even looked at by MRO? :huh
So much for cracking down on "duty of care"!
Vision here: https://twitter.com/Anthonydsmith86/status/1501136415710580737
We gave away EIGHT 50m penalties tonight :help.
Frees kicks were 20 to 28.
We gave away EIGHT 50m penalties tonight :help.
Frees kicks were 20 to 28.
The 50 against Sheds in the 2nd was just laughable! Carlton player marks & goes back 2mtrs, the ump calls ‘stand’ to Sheds. Carlton player fakes a handball, Sheds lifted his foot off the ground & put it back down again - called for 50mtr penalty! Sheds didn’t come forward or even backwards, he didn’t even go laterally. So is that what the stand rule was designed to achieve? :-\
We gave away EIGHT 50m penalties tonight :help.
Frees kicks were 20 to 28.
The EIGHT 50m penalties were due to our stupidity and ill-discipline
Nothing to do with the umps.
I think everyone in footy knew what the new standards were going to be but clearly none of our players got the memo.We gave away EIGHT 50m penalties tonight :help.
Frees kicks were 20 to 28.
The EIGHT 50m penalties were due to our stupidity and ill-discipline
Nothing to do with the umps.
Adam Cerra got a dream run off the umps - at least 3 questionable in the Back frees. He appears to dive forward when his is tackled. Don't know how long it will take the umps to wake up
Adam Cerra got a dream run off the umps - at least 3 questionable in the Back frees. He appears to dive forward when his is tackled. Don't know how long it will take the umps to wake up
Has anyone noticed the demons players clearly move off the mark prior to the umpire calling play on yet get away with it every time?I notice the Dees don't stand where the mark is. They stand 5m behind it so they can still move. We did the same against the Giants but then seemed to go back to standing on the mark last week. Standing on the mark just leaves you down a defender. Might as well fall back so you're at least still in the game.
We would get pinged for 50 every time
I am seriously worried about the way the game is going right now. The rules are just so full of loopholes & waivers that the umpires can pay anything they feel like paying & it will still be a correct decision. Conversely, every decision can be seen as an equally wrong decision & the rules will still back you up. :-\SHocking and Gill have a lot to answer for bringing in idiotic rules by decree that make the game now so bland, limited, repetitive and predictable. It is now mostly bruise free circle work where the only three ways to score are via centre clearances, bad skill error turnovers and roulette wheel frees/50m. Read today where someone described the game now as basketball on grass and it's hard to disagree. Once one team gains possession in their D50 everyone runs down to the other end just like basketball. Teams are flooding back due to the Stand rule and so scoring in most games is kept low. Last night's game was the perfect example of that. Take out Melbourne's 5 goal burst during the 2nd qtr and the rest of the game generated just 9 goals combined :sleep.
Currently the rules are a double-think nightmare worthy of George Orwell ... :help
I don't blame the umpires entirely, but I do blame the AFL for screwing it up so badly ....
Last night the Demon player on the mark after being told to stand would just move as soon as the player with the ball moved off the mark without the umpire calling play on.
True, but the ruck rule wasn’t brought in to stop a team
winning was it?
The biggest problem with the stand rule is that it is totally one sided. The player with the ball has all the power, the player on the mark (standing) has nothing.
I don't mind the basic idea of the stand rule, but the rule has to cut both ways.
The 'Stand' directive from the umpire has to apply to both the man on the mark & the player in possession - they should BOTH have to 'stand'. So when a player takes a mark & goes back 10mtrs to take his kick it is then that the umpire should call 'Stand'. Both the player in possession & the man on the mark must now 'Stand'. If either player moves then its either 'play on' or its a 50mtr penalty, depending on who moved first. It would be absolutely cut & dry if 'Stand' was made to cut both ways - its a definite, obvious 50 or its play on, but no ... we have to have this rubbish instead.
Its this imbalance in the rule that people hate so much, plus all Richmond supporters know why it was made this way ... ::)
True, but the ruck rule wasn’t brought in to stop a team
winning was it?
Well no....but the point is the AFL don't like to admit when they get it wrong no matter how many people tell them...:shh
The stand rule makes 0 sense in the context of the game and that should have been enough to prevent it from ever being integrated in the first place. Like what sense does it make that you have to stand there like a witches hat while your opponent fakes or even runs off the mark.
I can think of 100 different rules you could bring in to improve scoring like hey let’s make the defenders play with 1 arm tied behind their backs, that’s sure to make it easier for the forwards to score too.
Lastly has it even been proven that this stupid rule or the also stupid 6-6-6 rule has resulted in a significant increase in scoring per game. Like what’s the avg total score per game in 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2021 (ignoring 2020 because shorter quarters)?
The idiotic nominated ruck rule which has always been universally hated even by the AFL media sycophants is now into it's sixth season...so don't expect the stand rule which still has it's fair share of supporters and apologists to be going anywhere anytime soon.... :shhThe ruck rule actually advantaged us in 2017. Enabled Grigg to go into the ruck while being an extra ground level mid.
Hawkins dead set X 2 push in the backs. No calls.Plus Hawkins was gifted two frees for nothing.
I think we could have deployed that regardless of the ruck rule.The idiotic nominated ruck rule which has always been universally hated even by the AFL media sycophants is now into it's sixth season...so don't expect the stand rule which still has it's fair share of supporters and apologists to be going anywhere anytime soon.... :shhThe ruck rule actually advantaged us in 2017. Enabled Grigg to go into the ruck while being an extra ground level mid.
That's true but the ruck rule stopped the opposition using a 3rd man up against Grigg.I think we could have deployed that regardless of the ruck rule.The idiotic nominated ruck rule which has always been universally hated even by the AFL media sycophants is now into it's sixth season...so don't expect the stand rule which still has it's fair share of supporters and apologists to be going anywhere anytime soon.... :shhThe ruck rule actually advantaged us in 2017. Enabled Grigg to go into the ruck while being an extra ground level mid.
true, but they didn't need to because the opposition ruckman was generally winning it down against him.That's true but the ruck rule stopped the opposition using a 3rd man up against Grigg.I think we could have deployed that regardless of the ruck rule.The idiotic nominated ruck rule which has always been universally hated even by the AFL media sycophants is now into it's sixth season...so don't expect the stand rule which still has it's fair share of supporters and apologists to be going anywhere anytime soon.... :shhThe ruck rule actually advantaged us in 2017. Enabled Grigg to go into the ruck while being an extra ground level mid.
Should it have been a push in the back?If it was a Richmond game Yes, Geelong players would never do that :scream :scream
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1512405389706358797
Should it have been a push in the back?
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1512405389706358797
I've canned them all week but tonight's umpiring was pretty good, no stupid free-kick-of-the-week stuff, just some basics for a change. Plus they didn't get sucked in by the Bullfrog stagers for once ... :cheers
What happens when a player legitimately goes to handball and changes their mind?
Nope, a 25mtr penalty is even more stupid than the stand rule!
If the player in possession fakes a handball attempting to draw a 50mtr penalty just call play on!
But a player faking a handball has had plenty of opportunity think his decision through ... and he chose to fake a handball! Play on!Nope, a 25mtr penalty is even more stupid than the stand rule!
If the player in possession fakes a handball attempting to draw a 50mtr penalty just call play on!
Disagree. Players should be allowed to think through their decisions before disposing of the football. The whole ‘faking’ terminology is incorrect. Players should be allowed to change their mind as to how they release the footy while they are in possession. They aren’t robots capable of making the correct decision within milliseconds. As long as they don’t run off the mark there shouldn’t be a play on call.
Again there are suggestions to tinker/add rules to help better facilitate a new one rather than just getting rid of the stupid thing in the first place. Is there anyone in the media who has said the rule should be abolished? It’s like everyone’s been given a directive to say how much they love it.
But a player faking a handball has had plenty of opportunity think his decision through ... and he chose to fake a handball! Play on!Nope, a 25mtr penalty is even more stupid than the stand rule!
If the player in possession fakes a handball attempting to draw a 50mtr penalty just call play on!
Disagree. Players should be allowed to think through their decisions before disposing of the football. The whole ‘faking’ terminology is incorrect. Players should be allowed to change their mind as to how they release the footy while they are in possession. They aren’t robots capable of making the correct decision within milliseconds. As long as they don’t run off the mark there shouldn’t be a play on call.
Again there are suggestions to tinker/add rules to help better facilitate a new one rather than just getting rid of the stupid thing in the first place. Is there anyone in the media who has said the rule should be abolished? It’s like everyone’s been given a directive to say how much they love it.
Again why are we trying to redefine/edit rules that have been around 100 years just to help better govern a 1 year old stupid rule?It's what the AFL stupidly does. Introduce another daft rule to try and 'fix' the mess their previous daft rule has created :thumbsdown.
I may be remembering incorrectly but didn’t they use to put rule changes to a panel and also let the coaches have input and then trial them in preseason before deciding whether to implement them or not? All of which were bypassed by Hocking for this stupid stand rule?
The bias towards Brisbane and for Collingwood tonight was unbelievable .I thought Collingwood got away with holding the ball, throwing the ball, in the back, etc etc, then I thought it must be me and went to bed in disgust.
You might find through the agreement that the AFL won’t accept strong criticising of umpires or the tribunal or even themselves
You might find through the agreement that the AFL won’t accept strong criticising of umpires or the tribunal or even themselves
The umpiring isn’t the problem, the rules are. The umpires have been handed the impossible task of adjudicating a game that the rules make very difficult to do with any consistency. Personally, I find the game virtually unwatchable and tend to only watch Tigers games now.
I've never heard so much negativity towards umpiring but it's not just them. This is the afls making.
I didn't watch one game this weekend, not even ours. Used to watch most of them.
I think as supporters the only thing we can do is not go to the games or watch on TV.
I wonder who else feels this way?
Have you seen the dive from Hawkins? He should get 2 weeks for staging. AFL 360 flogs will let it pass without discussion :banghead
Have you seen the dive from Hawkins? He should get 2 weeks for staging. AFL 360 flogs will let it pass without discussion :banghead
That bogan Georgie Parker said Hawkins did a 'Rance'... ::)
"The AFL declined to comment on the free kick count from the game when contacted on Sunday."
Just how bad are Tigers’ free kick numbers?
Richmond received the fewest free kicks of any team last year and the numbers aren’t great to start 2022. See just how bad the figures are.
Paywall: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/afl-2022-all-the-latest-from-the-mro-as-trent-cotchin-fined-for-kicking-taylor-walker/news-story/e3006ef112e78176ea906e3f84d76602
"It's been accepted in the game for far too long."(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/attachments/ogp7izv-gif.488875/)
AFL general manager of football Brad Scott on dissent towards umpires.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/745230
It is no longer our game as it’s become some type of political social engineering department of government instead of the game of the people.
Football is not always the focus, it’s all this crap that is imposed on the general supporter by people who have an agenda that is no the same as the greater majority
x2 :clappingIt is no longer our game as it’s become some type of political social engineering department of government instead of the game of the people.
Football is not always the focus, it’s all this crap that is imposed on the general supporter by people who have an agenda that is no the same as the greater majority
Great post
Excellent work MT :whistle"It's been accepted in the game for far too long."(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/attachments/ogp7izv-gif.488875/)
AFL general manager of football Brad Scott on dissent towards umpires.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/745230
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Excellent work MT :whistle"It's been accepted in the game for far too long."(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/attachments/ogp7izv-gif.488875/)
AFL general manager of football Brad Scott on dissent towards umpires.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/745230
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Do umpires have a review panel where they go through their game and are advised of their, (how can you say it in a PC manner) decisions??
Maybe the public should be kept in the loop after game reviews.
There could even be an umpiring decision scoring system?? An umpire Brownlow equivalent?? Who knows?
Everyone is tip toeing around the issue because of the abuse filtration to amateur and junior games.
I think umpires at AFL level should be accountable, but not abused.
AFL is a huge betting industry and where money is involved people do get serious and umpires should be judged and reprimanded accordingly ( but not during the game)
Amateur level umpires should be exempt from attack and abuse at all times.
How to police it is the problem.
We have been raped tonight
Agree but I'm not sure what channels they can take. We know they can't go though the media and we will never know what happens behind the scenes. For me the best approach would be to come out in the media (press's conference) and say we are going to seek clarification on certain rulings.It would make it public and force the AFL to justify the rulings. Who know, it's a.very tricky one given the AFL practically banning any criticism.We have been raped tonight
That happens every week but the club continually refuses to make an official compliant. About time we grew some stuffen balls and called the maggots out.
We have been raped tonight
Also can anyone explain why they called play on to balta when he took that mark 55-60m out? He could have legitimately kicked that so they should have given him the full 30. Didn’t see him step off his line either.Even staunch Demon Garry Lyon said tonight that was ridiculous decision by the ump because everyone knows Balta can kick that far. Balta had lined up too for the shot so it wasn't as though the ump didn't know what Noah was doing.
Kane Cornes while complaining about "ticky touchwood" frees against defenders showed 3 soft frees to Melbourne forwards against us.
Go to 1:10 min mark: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1518582372375175168
Win the free kicks by 3 :birthday :santa :cheers :dancing :dancingpickle :spudnikbackflip :dogdance :yo :xmassign :highclap:o
They free kick to weideman that started their run was outrageous.Robbie Gray was given the full 30 secs last night despite being 60 out with a heavy wet ball and he can't kick that far anyway. As usual the umpiring is consistently inconsistent.
Also can anyone explain why they called play on to balta when he took that mark 55-60m out? He could have legitimately kicked that so they should have given him the full 30. Didn’t see him step off his line either.
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https://twitter.com/zerohanger/status/1525800950644219904
:thumbsdown
We will be victimised and fined if Richmond officially criticise the AFL dictatorship in any way. This is no longer our game but the game of the elite and media clowns and is a dictatorship.
Wish we got the run Carlton is currently getting tonight.20 frees to Carlton in the first half ::).
Swans will be super human if they win this.
I have no words for the display tonight.👍🏿
50m against Bolton and Dusty were ridiculous
. Get an understanding that it's loud and 90% of time players think they are taking advantage. This is also never consistent.
Dangerous tackles. As disgraceful as I can remember. Just because you swing someone doesn't mean it's dangerous. If the head isn't driven into the ground its not dangerous.
The dusty disallowed goal. Where was the snicko? Where is the consistency.
Then there is the non paid. I counted 3 clear holding the balls not paid towards us. Which compounds frustration that it goes unrewarded and yet get penalised on others.
As bad a umpiring night I can remember and got an almighty negative reception on way off which was more than deserved. Enough is enough.
I have no words for the display tonight.totally agree. Absolutely horrible
50m against Bolton and Dusty were ridiculous
. Get an understanding that it's loud and 90% of time players think they are taking advantage. This is also never consistent.
Dangerous tackles. As disgraceful as I can remember. Just because you swing someone doesn't mean it's dangerous. If the head isn't driven into the ground its not dangerous.
The dusty disallowed goal. Where was the snicko? Where is the consistency.
Then there is the non paid. I counted 3 clear holding the balls not paid towards us. Which compounds frustration that it goes unrewarded and yet get penalised on others.
As bad a umpiring night I can remember and got an almighty negative reception on way off which was more than deserved. Enough is enough.
I have no words for the display tonight.Totally agree
50m against Bolton and Dusty were ridiculous
. Get an understanding that it's loud and 90% of time players think they are taking advantage. This is also never consistent.
Dangerous tackles. As disgraceful as I can remember. Just because you swing someone doesn't mean it's dangerous. If the head isn't driven into the ground its not dangerous.
The dusty disallowed goal. Where was the snicko? Where is the consistency.
Then there is the non paid. I counted 3 clear holding the balls not paid towards us. Which compounds frustration that it goes unrewarded and yet get penalised on others.
As bad a umpiring night I can remember and got an almighty negative reception on way off which was more than deserved. Enough is enough.
Tarrant arm chop not paid.
I have no words for the display tonight.Totally agree
50m against Bolton and Dusty were ridiculous
. Get an understanding that it's loud and 90% of time players think they are taking advantage. This is also never consistent.
Dangerous tackles. As disgraceful as I can remember. Just because you swing someone doesn't mean it's dangerous. If the head isn't driven into the ground its not dangerous.
The dusty disallowed goal. Where was the snicko? Where is the consistency.
Then there is the non paid. I counted 3 clear holding the balls not paid towards us. Which compounds frustration that it goes unrewarded and yet get penalised on others.
As bad a umpiring night I can remember and got an almighty negative reception on way off which was more than deserved. Enough is enough.
Nank bear hugged in the ruck not paid then next ball up free to the Essendon ruck which gifts them a goal.
Tarrant arm chop not paid.
Bomber players moving on the mark no 50.
Draper drops the ball in our goalsquare no HTB.
Absolute disgrace tonight! :banghead
#cheats
We can blame the people who are ruining this great game for the horrendous state of umpiring. I feel for the umps.
The Grimes tackle......what a joke that was
Umpire No.13 was biased towards Essendon and gave 5 free kicks in their F50.
Umpire No.13 was biased towards Essendon and gave 5 free kicks in their F50.
He looks like a real metrosexual. Probably dating Darcy Parish
if everyone said enough is enough and boycotted a round then we will see them groveling back.
What did everyone expect to happen when scott replaced shocking?
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https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/05/22/the-2022-free-kick-ladder-after-round-10/
:thumbsdown
Surely we have the right to ask why the Umpire on the spot was overruled by someone upstairs? He clearly referred to the ear piece to ask. He even said 50 metre penaltie.
Surely we have the right to ask why the Umpire on the spot was overruled by someone upstairs? He clearly referred to the ear piece to ask. He even said 50 metre penaltie.
Dusty tooSurely we have the right to ask why the Umpire on the spot was overruled by someone upstairs? He clearly referred to the ear piece to ask. He even said 50 metre penaltie.
This frustrated me too as it went against us.
But they do, do this. With out on the full calls, even collaborating with boundary umpires. What I didn't like was the inconsistency of the decision. Didn't hear the whistle, where was that for Bolton last week?
The Rioli "prohibitive contact" is even worse on replay. That happens 100 times in every game.
https://twitter.com/james_cockman/status/1530187090826502145
No wonder crowds are down with this rubbish umpiring ::).
"A controversial 50-metre penalty late in the contest gave the Demons the sniff they needed, when Brad Close – on centre wing – punched the ball into the empty stands while it was already out of bounds. The entry inside-50 from Jake Lever resulted in Gawn marking straight in front."
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/dees-snatch-minor-premiership-at-the-death-in-thrilling-win-over-cats-20210821-p58ks5.html
#RulesForSomeNotAll
I agree the umps should be allowed to use commonsense and I could accept the decision if "not hearing the whistle" was regularly applied (it isn't though as Bolton found out last week). We've been told the umps will apply these stupid rules strictly and there will no excuses such as not hearing the whistle. The time of the game is irrelevant. The siren isn't technically the end of a game if there's a free just before it and the kick will be taken afterwards. It was Prestia's free so technically it wasn't the end of the game until he took his kick."A controversial 50-metre penalty late in the contest gave the Demons the sniff they needed, when Brad Close – on centre wing – punched the ball into the empty stands while it was already out of bounds. The entry inside-50 from Jake Lever resulted in Gawn marking straight in front."
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/dees-snatch-minor-premiership-at-the-death-in-thrilling-win-over-cats-20210821-p58ks5.html
#RulesForSomeNotAll
Siren hadn't gone.
Not that I don't agree. Technically it should have been 50.
I don't mind that they used their common sense - just wish they'd do it all the time (see Rioli prohibited contact lol wtf).
“Common Sense” isn’t a legitimate call for the umpires. Sorry.
Lol!!!! All of those who say the 50mt penalty doesn’t influence games!!!! Exhibit A!! FOREVER!!! #ItsAMess
Given all the ridiculous pointless 50s given this season, I’m surprised that wasn’t one.
“It’s common sense” according to umpires.
Brain melts after the siren are a Swans specialty. Rampe climbing the post, Warner booting the ball away.
50m penalty every other time in the game #AFLSwansTigers
Quote from: Lachlan McKirdyWeird time to start introducing 'common sense' into umpiring.Common sense = Obviously Warner didn't hear the umpire blow the whistle
Precedent = That has never mattered before
That's 50. They pay 50m penalties when players kick the ball away in other situations when the crowd is loud. Why not now? Same circumstance.
Generally swerve umpire chat because it almost never has an impact on a result but lol the green lads have bottled that one pretty hard
Wow that’s gonna cause some issues. ‘He didn’t know’ is not a valid reason for punting the footy into the stands.
That’s a disgrace.
You can’t pick and choose when the rules apply.
So kicking the ball into the stands after a fk awarded is ok these days? It’s either that or alternatively not knowing it’s a fk paid and kicking ball away is now an excuse and not 50. Either way it’s a mistake and the rule is still up for debate and interpretation.
Such a great game. Disappointing ends with an umpiring controversy. I'm all for umps making the call but not smart from Warner. Bloody lucky to get away with it.
Correct call from the umpire, common sense prevails
I might be in the minority, but I think that was good, commonsense umpiring.
Good non 50 metre penalty. Umpires used common sense in a game with 60 free kicks and used some rational decision making at the death. Terrific game.
From the vision Cotchin doesn’t even know Prestia has got a free kick so why would Warner know as well. Common sense.
Quote from: Vince Rugari (SMH)anyone who genuinely thinks a 50m penalty should have been paid at the end there must be real fun at partiesgo join the police force if you reckon that's 50m, seriously. there's a spot for you
I think that was the common sense outcome.
It should only be a 50 metre penalty if Warner did it deliberately.
He didn’t.
I think the context, the siren, is important if you are going to award a 50.
Umpires often smashed for lacking a feel for the game. I reckon their feel for the game was spot on with that final decision. Right callhttps://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/sydney-swans/afl-news-2022-sydney-swans-defeat-richmond-tigers-no-50m-penalty-against-chad-warner-for-kicking-ball-into-scg-crowd-rule-reaction/news-story/df260cd130918b0a3336bb3023538cb0
He's kicked the ball away after a FK to Richmond. That should be 50!https://twitter.com/hasumpstuffedup/status/1530167409029808129
This is what I posted on Twitter 👇
"Common sense? Interesting. @AFL Did I miss the memo about umpires being allowed to use "common sense" when applying the rules? So far in 2022 common sense isn't applicable to the stand rule, dissent rule, not giving the ball back correctly. Want me to go on? Can't pick & chose 😡"
I also posted that last week with 70k people at the MCG a 50 metre was paid against Bolton for playing on after a free was given against Riewoldt. With 70k screaming fans there's a bloody good chance Bolton didn't hear the whistle either but he certainly wasn't afford the "'use of common sense"
The game is officially stuffed
Well what a surprise NOT!Yet in a different game when there was a free to Essendon on the wing as the siren went, a Freo player copped 50m for dropping the ball and not giving it back AFTER the siren ::).
The AFL have said the umpires made the correct call
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/05/28/afl-says-umpire-made-right-call-in-dramatic-friday-night-ending/
Here it is. The Freo player gets pinged for 50 for what he does with the ball AFTER the siren.
Watch: https://twitter.com/Flagmantle2022/status/1530179521626144768
I'm sure that Freo player could argue he dropped the ball because the siren had gone and he thought the quarter was over with the ball on the wing and no chance of Essendon scoring from there via the free. But no, the 50m rule was applied as per the rule without the umps conferring and making up excuses for him.
So let's get this straight. When a free kick is paid just before the siren, if a player gets rid of the footy and doesn't give the ball back after the siren against a team other than Richmond it's 50m but if it's against Richmond the rules don't matter & it's not 50 due to "commonsense" :facepalm :thumbsdown.
Good luck to Stevic and Howorth when they next umpire a Richmond home game. The Tiger Army will be on their backs from first bounce to final siren.
QuoteIt’s taken all weekend, but @FOXFOOTY finally showing the decisive video angle of the Warner incident. They clearly made the right call. @hasumpstuffedup
Different angle and Wheatley's comments: https://twitter.com/morteinmooie/status/1531218824602992641
As a Neutral enjoyer of the game - I am happy to not see it paid.
But none of the factors they mention - the proximity of the umpire, timing of the siren, have any legal standing.
Fact remains that Warner booted the ball away when Tigers had a FK - That's a 50m penalty. #AFL
How other games are umpired differently.
Q3 1:23 to go - Oliver punches the ball out of Rowbottom's hands after the mark. No 50.
End of Q3 - Ladhams late on Oliver after the mark. No 50.
No such leniency is given to us ::).
Q4 5:25 to go - Gulden paid a very soft free for a hold. Technically there but soft.
Q4 3:00 to go - Langdon accidently lands with the knees on Papley as he dives for the footy. Technically there.
The type of frees we don't get especially in our forward line.
How other games are umpired differently.
Q3 1:23 to go - Oliver punches the ball out of Rowbottom's hands after the mark. No 50.
End of Q3 - Ladhams late on Oliver after the mark. No 50.
No such leniency is given to us ::).
Q4 5:25 to go - Gulden paid a very soft free for a hold. Technically there but soft.
Q4 3:00 to go - Langdon accidently lands with the knees on Papley as he dives for the footy. Technically there.
The type of frees we don't get especially in our forward line.
That last one to Papley was technically there but it wasn't really Langdon's fault.
I guess you have to give credit to Papley for getting to the ball first and wanting it more.
Langdon should have kept his feet in that situation, then fall over Papley's body. This would have resulted in the pathetic rule of taking the legs. Free to Langdon in this instance.What just happened in the Hawthorn-Collingwood game. Darcy Moore slides in first to rush the ball through for a behind and then Sam Butler comes from behind and falls over Moore's body and it's stupidly paid taking out the legs.
The free against Moore for contact below the knees in the Pies/Hawks game clear winner of this week's most pathetic decisionHere's the video clip of it.
It just get worse each week
What do you all think about going back to 2 umpires on the ground? ( I think it is 3 currently)
One ump drifting o around each end, the end the team scores on the ump from the opposite end does the bounce, they could also have an interchange ump??
I actually thought we got some very soft ones are way which setup goals for us. Bad for both teams
I went to game, don't get to too many as from regional Vic. Left at half time. The game is almost unwatchable.Somehow the AFL has managed to coopt the media into saying nothing about it.
So true.I went to game, don't get to too many as from regional Vic. Left at half time. The game is almost unwatchable.Somehow the AFL has managed to coopt the media into saying nothing about it.
It's all supporters talk about as far as I can tell, but judging from all "the boys" on TV the game has never been better!
I agree. It stinks. It is unwatchable. Watching footy used to be a relaxing leisure activity on the weekend. Now it makes me feel like everything in the world sucks. I HATE watching the football. I only put up with it to watch Richmond, but I'm thinking I might switch to radio coverage from now on.
With Baker's overturned goal why wasn't the 'edge' technology used when it was used earlier for the Port goal that was reviewed?
I was at the game and no one around me had a clue why it given a point from the angles on the scoreboard (we had no sound either so couldn't hear the umps). Apparently, the goal umpire said it initially was a goal. I haven't seen a replay yet. Was it obviously shown not to be a goal on TV?
I went to game, don't get to too many as from regional Vic. Left at half time. The game is almost unwatchable.Somehow the AFL has managed to coopt the media into saying nothing about it.
It's all supporters talk about as far as I can tell, but judging from all "the boys" on TV the game has never been better!
I agree. It stinks. It is unwatchable. Watching footy used to be a relaxing leisure activity on the weekend. Now it makes me feel like everything in the world sucks. I HATE watching the football. I only put up with it to watch Richmond, but I'm thinking I might switch to radio coverage from now on.
With Baker's overturned goal why wasn't the 'edge' technology used when it was used earlier for the Port goal that was reviewed?
I was at the game and no one around me had a clue why it given a point from the angles on the scoreboard (we had no sound either so couldn't hear the umps). Apparently, the goal umpire said it initially was a goal. I haven't seen a replay yet. Was it obviously shown not to be a goal on TV?
With Baker's overturned goal why wasn't the 'edge' technology used when it was used earlier for the Port goal that was reviewed?
I was at the game and no one around me had a clue why it given a point from the angles on the scoreboard (we had no sound either so couldn't hear the umps). Apparently, the goal umpire said it initially was a goal. I haven't seen a replay yet. Was it obviously shown not to be a goal on TV?
x2With Baker's overturned goal why wasn't the 'edge' technology used when it was used earlier for the Port goal that was reviewed?
I was at the game and no one around me had a clue why it given a point from the angles on the scoreboard (we had no sound either so couldn't hear the umps). Apparently, the goal umpire said it initially was a goal. I haven't seen a replay yet. Was it obviously shown not to be a goal on TV?
I think you've I'll find "the edge" technology doesn't work or is attached to the padding of the post
Anyway...
Another stunning performance by the umps.
The game is no longer the game i grew up loving.
The game is stuffed
With Baker's overturned goal why wasn't the 'edge' technology used when it was used earlier for the Port goal that was reviewed?
I was at the game and no one around me had a clue why it given a point from the angles on the scoreboard (we had no sound either so couldn't hear the umps). Apparently, the goal umpire said it initially was a goal. I haven't seen a replay yet. Was it obviously shown not to be a goal on TV?
I think you've I'll find "the edge" technology doesn't work or is attached to the padding of the post
Anyway...
Another stunning performance by the umps.
The game is no longer the game i grew up loving.
The game is stuffed
#AFLTigersPort: Umpired WellUpdated for Round 13.
#AFLDonsBlues: Umpired Superbly
#AFLFreohawks: Umpired Poorly
#AFLLionsSaints: Umpired Poorly
#AFLNorthGiants: Umpired Well
#AFLPiesDees: Umpired Poorly
Tonight we have umpires:
Brendan Hosking (16)
Nathan Williamson (22)
Robert Findlay (23)
https://www.afl.com.au/afl/matches/3921#line-ups
There is seriously something going on with the umps, there has to be bias because of the Scott brother relationship surelyIt should be investigated.
It won't happen but with the game decided by under a kick there should be an official investigation into why the umps allowed 3 mins of play with Richmond down a man with Prestia on the field knocked out by sniper Stewart. Geelong got a goal out of the unfair advantage that proved decisive in the final result.Great comment 👍🏿
#"Commonsense" ::)
It won't happen but with the game decided by under a kick there should be an official investigation into why the umps allowed 3 mins of play with Richmond down a man with Prestia on the field knocked out by sniper Stewart. Geelong got a goal out of the unfair advantage that proved decisive in the final result.Great comment 👍🏿
#"Commonsense" ::)
26-13.... AND.....Noticed Geelong players were repeatedly trailing their Richmond opponent by 10-15m while running through the protective area of the mark. Deliberate tactic? Should be 50 anyway being that far off your direct opponent in the protective area.
Us getting called play on regularly from a mark or free, and I counted at least 5 times a Cats player was in our protected area and no 50.
It won't happen but with the game decided by under a kick there should be an official investigation into why the umps allowed 3 mins of play with Richmond down a man with Prestia on the field knocked out by sniper Stewart. Geelong got a goal out of the unfair advantage that proved decisive in the final result.
#"Commonsense" ::)
An independent review is required, at best there is a bias and due to the consistent bias is it a direction from the AFL management team.This is all absolutely spot on.
They are a dictatorship who are not accountable due to the abandonment of the right to criticise !
Did anyone notice our trainers waving to the umpires regarding Prestia and they ignored it bewildering.
A you sure about that ?.Did anyone notice our trainers waving to the umpires regarding Prestia and they ignored it bewildering.
They didn't call for the stretcher, they called for the doctor
Rightly or wrongly that's why the game didn't stop. The once the ball is put of the area umps don't have to stop the game unless the stretcher is called
A you sure about that ?.Did anyone notice our trainers waving to the umpires regarding Prestia and they ignored it bewildering.
They didn't call for the stretcher, they called for the doctor
Rightly or wrongly that's why the game didn't stop. The once the ball is put of the area umps don't have to stop the game unless the stretcher is called
They stopped play in the 3rd when Geelong had a kick out and Baker was down.
Goodness I've just seem the Dusty tackle on Close with 20 seconds to goHaven’t you got used to this by now ?
Why the "F" wasn't that HTB? He took possession, got tackled, let go of the ball, dragged it back in and they did nothing ....there's the game right there
Goodness I've just seem the Dusty tackle on Close with 20 seconds to go:shh
Why the "F" wasn't that HTB? He took possession, got tackled, let go of the ball, dragged it back in and they did nothing ....there's the game right there
Exhibit: 185838282:
Got to love the two non frees before Juddy's goal.
- De Koning whacking Lynch across the chops.
- Jack's chase down tackle on Kolodjashnij who drops the ball.
https://twitter.com/AFL/status/1540617047440097280
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/umpiring/LynchNonFree2.png)
::)
:thumbsdown
THE 2022 FREE KICK LADDER AFTER ROUND 15
Andrew Slevison
SEN
27 June 2022
Down the other end and it is Richmond and then daylight.
After being on the wrong end of a lopsided 26-13 count in Saturday’s loss to the Cats, the Tigers have received the least free kicks (271) and have given away the most (343). Their differential is -72.
(https://images.ctfassets.net/u8w3l566ay8a/5r4hhvnkEZGduT5HyZandV/3871d7e87cf9b6fa39745c516b416eab/Screen_Shot_2022-06-27_at_1.21.03_pm.png)
Most free kicks for:
33: Patrick Cripps (CAR)
30: Dylan Moore (HAW)
29: Matt Rowell (GCS)
28: Tim English (WB)
28: Rowan Marshall (STK)
28: Callum Mills (SYD)
27: Josh Dunkley (WB)
27: Jack Macrae (WB)
26: Darcy Cameron (COL)
26: Sam Collins (GCS)
26: Jade Gresham (STK)
26: Jarrod Witts (GCS)
Most free kicks against:
38: Toby Nankervis (RIC)
33: Sam Draper (ESS)
33: Matt Rowell (GCS)
29: Pete Ladhams (SYD)
26: Shai Bolton (RIC)
26: Patrick Cripps (CAR)
26: Paddy Ryder (STK)
25: Taylor Adams (COL)
25: Jai Newcombe (HAW)
25: Joel Selwood (GEE)
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/06/27/the-2022-free-kick-ladder-after-round-15/
It's the chaos game plan though :whistle;)
Perceptions of umpiring is highly subjective, so rather than trade feel-o-pions I thought I’d look at the data. Firstly Richmond has a season FK differential twice as bad as the second worse team (1/5)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWN-T1qagAAPm6g?format=jpg&name=large)
Secondly this is not normal, no non Tiger team had a differential this bad since the turn of the century.
But, a-ha you say, the tigers play a low possession game so don’t get frees…. the only problem with that argument is disposals/free for stats don’t correlate and Richmond is still an outlier
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWN-UbyaIAEmOSd?format=jpg&name=large)
Tackles show a slightly better correlation but Tigers are still an outlier
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWN-VAMaMAEvK-g?format=jpg&name=large)
In conclusion, you can make up your own theories about why, but Richmond games have historically unprecedented umpiring trends.https://twitter.com/Richmond_TT/status/1541214381685747713
Watching the Bullogs get the Richmond treatment tonight
Pickett would cop a week for this :whistle.
https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1542833475207794688
Pickett would cop a week for this :whistle.
https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1542833475207794688
You can’t possibly be serious MT
Comparing the two is absurd
If anyone went for this garbage I would never watch another game
Be fair dinkum
Damo, your trust in the MRO roulette system is higher than mine. As WP said, it will be looked at it because Saad went off.Pickett would cop a week for this :whistle.
https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1542833475207794688
You can’t possibly be serious MT
Comparing the two is absurd
If anyone went for this garbage I would never watch another game
Be fair dinkum
Thought they were ok up until last qtr.
Seems the rule of the day is no free paid if you bend at the knees to attract the high contract. The Ginnivan rule.
Watching the replay I think we were given a lot of grace by the umps and the handful of north supporters there had good reason to be angry with their interpretation.
From the top of my head we were caught with the ball atleast 5 times and play on was called finally a team got to feel our frustration. :rollin
Outside of that one you've mentioned MT and the HTB against Cumberland where he actually got it out to Graham I thought the umpiring was pretty good last night. Yes they missed a few but overall they were consistent
Certainly better than we've witnessed the last 6 or weeks
Salem down after a head knock and the game is immediately stopped by the umps. Prestia and us say where was this 5 weeks ago ::).Yep, noticed that too. So inconsistent it's not funny.
Debacle. Can't wait to watch the replay where the push in back was paid yet a score review was asked.Yep, sums up how clueless the umpiring was today. No one had a clue what was going on. Absolutely ridiculous.
Not sure of the numbers but looks like we’re getting reamed againFrees: 6 - 11
Getting raped and pillaged again
15 v 6And some out of bounds on the full frees in there too.
I don’t know about that delightful young lass that Dusty gave a cuddle to but I sure feel violated by the umpires tonight
Let's talk about the ARC although we didn't lose because of it.
Why is it that Tennis and Cricket can track a balls flight path but we can't? Is it because wind etc plays a factor more?
F1 slow mo shows debris coming off tyres you can see individual specs of it but in the AFL we can't see if a finger or two bend off a ball. It's pathetic.
Let's talk about the ARC although we didn't lose because of it.
Why is it that Tennis and Cricket can track a balls flight path but we can't? Is it because wind etc plays a factor more?
F1 slow mo shows debris coming off tyres you can see individual specs of it but in the AFL we can't see if a finger or two bend off a ball. It's pathetic.
Agree with this 100%.
I believe it's a time thing. The super slow mo I believe takes a long time to render.
Ball tracking no idea why we can't have that.
Here's the vision of Lynch's shot and the overrule:Gez what was Lynch thinking mate a simple shot into the impossible silly.
https://www.afl.com.au/video/833617/huge-drama-as-goal-review-overrules-late-lynch-shot
Tom Browne added after the game that the ARC reviewer also goes by the player's reaction. That shouldn't be the case otherwise you'll get players from now on deliberately celebrating to try and fool the umps.
AFL position re goal review
‘The arc reviewed all the camera angles and its viewed as a definitive behind. The correct call was made.’
11:46 PM · Sep 1, 2022
https://twitter.com/TomBrowne7/status/1565335220941131780
Umpire23 :banghead
One other incident from the game so far hasn't been mentioned, but I really feel very hard done by over it.
2nd quarter saw a very confused Baker try to take the advantage from a free to Bolton one the outer wing, he took 3 steps & then decided that he didn't want the advantage. He put his hands up in a surrender while two Brisbane players tackled him anyway. The umpire decided that Baker had played on & was fair game to be tackled & so paid HTB against him. So far things were clear enough (a little harsh because plenty of players stop taking advantage & are allowed to take the free) but that isn't really the issue here.
After being called for HTB, Baker gives the hands out pleading gesture to the umpire who promptly penalizes him for dissent & applies a 50mtr penalty.
Brisbane player shoots from 35mtrs out & goals ... but wait a minute!
Wasn't the automatic 50mtr penalty for dissent shelved just recently?
The dissent rule still stands if a player is demonstrative, but the hands out pleading gesture was considered as NOT being demonstrative.
But suddenly the 50mtr penalty was resurrected when an umpire arbitrarily wanted to pay it.
WTF?
More 'make-it-up-as-you-go-along' rules from the umpires ... no wonder players get confused ...
Can the umpires ever be instructed in the fact that players cant hear a play on call over a grandstand full of howling fans? They can hear a piercing whistle due to its pitch but they cant hear the umpires voice over the cacophony of noise. To pick out one voice that is 30mtrs away over the grandstand full of howling fans 5mtrs away is impossible!
To stop the play is simple - blow the whistle! That's what it is for!
(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/attachments/1bfbeb8b-6c22-4277-855a-11a44f770183-jpeg.1496555/)What the ARC reviewer apparently used to justify calling it a behind from the above TV angles (top left and bottom right).
Richo is still upset about last night's ARC review ;DBradshaw lapping it up, can’t stand the biased POS.
Watch here: https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1565692631383957505
Richo is still upset about last night's ARC review ;DHe's not the only one! Is the AFL rule book readily available for mere mortals to peruse?
Watch here: https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1565692631383957505
It was a point
But that’s not the problem
The problem is that there was no certain evidence to overturn it at the time
So the umpires decision should have stood
Pretty simple
Not going to change the result and doesn't excuse our own stupidity with one minute to go, but watching the Ch 7 replay of Lynch's shot, Harris Andrews moves off the mark before the ump calls play on. The other Brisbane players lined up to the side of Lynch don't move yet which is a give away too. Not only that Andrews is not in a flat-footed "Stand" position either. Andrews has his feet in a ready to charge off the mark stance. Should have been 50 and another shot directly in front from the goalsquare.I actually missed this, but you are completely right. Andrews runs forwards 3-4 steps over the mark as Lynch is coming in. Lynch doesn't deviate off the line so there's no reason to call play on. Oh man ... :-\
https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1565474934817693699
Happy Mad Monday everybody :P.
Not going to change the result and doesn't excuse our own stupidity with one minute to go, but watching the Ch 7 replay of Lynch's shot, Harris Andrews moves off the mark before the ump calls play on. The other Brisbane players lined up to the side of Lynch don't move yet which is a give away too. Not only that Andrews is not in a flat-footed "Stand" position either. Andrews has his feet in a ready to charge off the mark stance. Should have been 50 and another shot directly in front from the goalsquare.I actually missed this, but you are completely right. Andrews runs forwards 3-4 steps over the mark as Lynch is coming in. Lynch doesn't deviate off the line so there's no reason to call play on. Oh man ... :-\
https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1565474934817693699
Happy Mad Monday everybody :P.
The stand rule says you must stand. Players can go 5mtrs back behind the mark & avoid the stand rule, but they still have to wait for the play on call before coming forward. Harris is leaning against the post (inside that 5mtr perimeter) when Lynch starts his approach. Either way Harris has broken the stand rule right in front of the umpire ...Not going to change the result and doesn't excuse our own stupidity with one minute to go, but watching the Ch 7 replay of Lynch's shot, Harris Andrews moves off the mark before the ump calls play on. The other Brisbane players lined up to the side of Lynch don't move yet which is a give away too. Not only that Andrews is not in a flat-footed "Stand" position either. Andrews has his feet in a ready to charge off the mark stance. Should have been 50 and another shot directly in front from the goalsquare.I actually missed this, but you are completely right. Andrews runs forwards 3-4 steps over the mark as Lynch is coming in. Lynch doesn't deviate off the line so there's no reason to call play on. Oh man ... :-\
https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1565474934817693699
Happy Mad Monday everybody :P.
Did Andrews start behind the mark and therefore could run forward?
Hutchy believes and Caro said she's spoken to someone closely involved that said the AFL has extra vision that shows the ARC decision was right but they won't show it to the public. Lloyd responded by questioning why they wouldn't show it if they have it.
Yep just like that Sydney game where we heard that judgement call or whatever it is
Making it up as they go as long as it’s against Richmond
Being reported the AFL said it was a point based on the crowd vision! Can you stuffen believe this circus!
Someone with an iPhone in the crowd has a better angle and vision than a billion dollar AFL industry and high tech ARC system.
All I want to know is who has been sacked over this farce!
Being reported the AFL said it was a point based on the crowd vision! Can you stuffen believe this circus!
Someone with an iPhone in the crowd has a better angle and vision than a billion dollar AFL industry and high tech ARC system.
All I want to know is who has been sacked over this farce!
Can't make this circus up we're was that reported?.
Hold on a minuteHang on again!
So I'm clear
Within 48 hours of the decision the AFL ticked it off. Said there was clear vision to prove it was a point. But vision they've never released.
Now 2 weeks later there is a suggestion that the proof is the "crowd vision "
Seriously? What the?
This means that there was no other vision and they stuffed up.
Just admit you stuffed up and we move on. None of us will like it, we'll still be peeved but at least there is some sort end to it
Just more of the same from HQ. Stupidity, excuses and no accountability
Hold on a minute
So I'm clear
Within 48 hours of the decision the AFL ticked it off. Said there was clear vision to prove it was a point. But vision they've never released.
Now 2 weeks later there is a suggestion that the proof is the "crowd vision "
Seriously? What the?
This means that there was no other vision and they stuffed up.
Just admit you stuffed up and we move on. None of us will like it, we'll still be peeved but at least there is some sort end to it
Just more of the same from HQ. Stupidity, excuses ans no accountability
Sounded to me Dimma was gagged and not convinced at all.
How does removing the umpires call fix any of this? Just saves the afl embarrassment of when the ARC stuffs up is all I can see it doing.
How does removing the umpires call fix any of this? Just saves the afl embarrassment of when the ARC stuffs up is all I can see it doing.
Further to that
What happens if the faulty ARC system says they can not determine if something is a goal? What then? They go back to the ump or do they just guess?
This doesnt surprise me whatsoever, would explain a lot and I reckon it is wide spread amongst the maggots and intot he games as wellUmpires and the AFL are quite clearly corrupt, you only have to see the free kick differential ladder every year to figure that out
https://www.9news.com.au/national/afl-news-police-arrest-four-over-illegal-brownlow-medal-betting/ed23a051-b596-4e76-bbfe-d188dd1d1b8d
AFL umpire among those arrested over alleged suspicious betting on Brownlow Medal
Michael Pell named as the umpire in question on the HeraldSun website.Hmm ... Pell ... nope, nothing pops to mind regarding any Pells' ... :P
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/probe-into-brownlow-count-amid-betting-scandal/news-story/e7491e676ca07973770c6b40229ae681
I wonder if the AFL should or would consider a steward system like horse racing codes?
Stewards that oversee players and umpiring..
The AFL has made a major change just weeks out from the new season, moving from three to four field umpires in every game.
@cleary_mitch @7AFL #7NEWS
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1627931010833977346
Observation of 4 umps:
1) More frees paid.
2) More umps with no idea.
3) Don't expect any change for the better regarding our free kick differential :P.
Loved the play in the last quarter where 3 blues in a row got tackled and dropped the ball then Shai picks the ball up and gets it knocked out of his hand and gets done for a free againstYeah that one was horse crepe. It left my wondering why a player would even bother trying to pick up the ball.
It’s farcical
Loved the play in the last quarter where 3 blues in a row got tackled and dropped the ball then Shai picks the ball up and gets it knocked out of his hand and gets done for a free againstYeah that one was horse crepe. It left my wondering why a player would even bother trying to pick up the ball.
It’s farcical
How did they miss the 50mtr penalty to Marlion in the first when the Carlton player returned the ball to his own team mate? It would've seen Marlion shooting from the top of the goalsquare .... :huh
How did they miss the 50mtr penalty to Marlion in the first when the Carlton player returned the ball to his own team mate? It would've seen Marlion shooting from the top of the goalsquare .... :huh
:lol :lolHow did they miss the 50mtr penalty to Marlion in the first when the Carlton player returned the ball to his own team mate? It would've seen Marlion shooting from the top of the goalsquare .... :huh
There is only four umpires give them a break, its not as if one of them could be expected to know the rules
Watching the replay, I'm still wondering how this wasn't a free kick. Unrealistic attempt plus the left arm was over Mansell's shoulder :huh.
(https://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/800/2023/03/16/1036658.jpg)
Watching the replay, I'm still wondering how this wasn't a free kick. Unrealistic attempt plus the left arm was over Mansell's shoulder :huh.
(https://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/800/2023/03/16/1036658.jpg)
You just need to consult the Official AFL Rules MT. I have and outline the relevant extract as follows:
Rule 10.1
It shall be a free kick where a player, whether intentionally or otherwise, makes contact with another player on or above the other player's shoulders.
Rule 10.2
Rule 10.1 does not apply and the umpire shall signal play on where the player infringed wears a guernsey that is black with a yellow sash or yellow with a black sash.
https://twitter.com/RichmondDynasty/status/1639545557088628736:clapping perfectly stated, if the umpires were consistent with the amount of time deemed to be adequate to provide a player opportunity to dispose the ball a lot of these more physical tackles wouldn't eventuate. As someone else mentioned on another forum and probably here, if Dusty gets caught the umps can't get the whistle in their mouth quick enough.
Great desperation and tackle by Young on Walker but yet another example of the umps taking forever to make an obvious decision. And they wonder why the tackled player ends up getting slung into the turf. Yes, the players have a duty of care in the tackle but so do the umpires with their decisions.
Conversely Dangerfield gets a month to dispose of it.https://twitter.com/RichmondDynasty/status/1639545557088628736:clapping perfectly stated, if the umpires were consistent with the amount of time deemed to be adequate to provide a player opportunity to dispose the ball a lot of these more physical tackles wouldn't eventuate. As someone else mentioned on another forum and probably here, if Dusty gets caught the umps can't get the whistle in their mouth quick enough.
Great desperation and tackle by Young on Walker but yet another example of the umps taking forever to make an obvious decision. And they wonder why the tackled player ends up getting slung into the turf. Yes, the players have a duty of care in the tackle but so do the umpires with their decisions.
The early play on calls are shafting us tonight.
There need to be an enquiry into how they get looked after. Deadset.
We actually won the free kick count 26-20 :gobdrop.
There were a couple of dodgy non-decisions, but we didn't cop the usual shafting we normally get against Collingwood. At least they didn't get the charity frees they usually do in front of the sticks.
Umpires were OK
I actually like this team of 4, keeping them together plan
They will get used to umpiring together and understand each better IMHO
I thought we got stiffed with some bad decisions but I think I’ve seen the worst double stuff up everDisgraceful
In the GWS and Blues game Mackay got tackled and dropped the ball so blatantly but there was no free, a GWS player put his hands out and got penalised in front of the Blues goals
Absolutely poo house decision, if i was the GWS president I would be asking for a formal apology for the umps gifting the game to the blues
That decision was disgraceful. If the AFL has any spine they would admit the umpire was wrong. Then send him to the VFL based on form.
That decision was disgraceful. If the AFL has any spine they would admit the umpire was wrong. Then send him to the VFL based on form.
That decision was disgraceful. If the AFL has any spine they would admit the umpire was wrong. Then send him to the VFL based on form.
If they had any spine, they would admit the rule is poo and get rid of it.
It does really annoy me when players put their arms out for deliberate out of bounds every time the ball goes over the line.
Nick Daicos with one of the worst dives you will see in Aussie Rules and he actually got a free for it :facepalm ::).
https://twitter.com/theindextracker/status/1643950711938457601
Nick Daicos with one of the worst dives you will see in Aussie Rules and he actually got a free for it :facepalm ::).
https://twitter.com/theindextracker/status/1643950711938457601
Was a point in the last quarter where Daicos literally shat himself
Made a Brandon Ellis hard ball attempt look Mark Ricciuto ish
Can't win with the umpiring set against us.It's disgusting.
The only free I really have an issue with is the Naughton one in the last. That wasn't a push or a block.
But you cannot kick 2 goals in a half and expect to win
Vision of the paid free for high against Vlastuin in the last quarter.
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/laceoutofficial/status/1644623971093209088
Buckley and Dunstall commentating querying it. Buckley says "potentially an arm across the shoulder".
Explain the dissent rule in a photo (also, this wasn’t paid dissent)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ft0zliIagAEXd6L?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/Mugzyo/status/1647529768135573504
And they wonder why people hate these new rules and how arbitrarily they are applied from game to game and week to week.
Saw this on twitter tonight:
"So far this year, Richmond has given away nine 50m penalties. Since 2018, they've given away 55 more 50m penalties than any other team."
- Daniel Hoyne
:help
After watching Geelong throw the ball last night with no penalty plus no whistle on tackles allowing Geelong to have many dubiouscdisposals, it seems the game and umpiring is set up for them.Yep, I noticed the throws last night too. Geelong take on a tackler (should be called HTB right there, just ask Dusty about that) & then give a two handed under armed throw/shovel out to a team mate in the clear. Seems to work every time!
Sydney must have been infuriated.
The Scraggers threw quite a few against us too. So much for four umpires ::).
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Joey takes us through the 'handball club' of the Bulldogs (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f60f.svg)
Click on pic/link to watch:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1650116125932544006/LwaEPWgL?format=jpg&name=small) (https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1650093230472728577)
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1650093230472728577
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/did-it-all-night-return-of-dogs-cheeky-handball-club-exposed/news-story/343f1109d33b0e0065e0db43f58a4fc4
Only thing I can think of is that he could argue he was preventing a goal bouncing through/was spoiling
No surprise to me it wasn't paid deliberate:yep
Just another grey area of the rules. Umps will say he was in the goal square (he wasn't) or he didn't rush it per se it was a defensive punch.....
That the commentators don't know says it all. Pre-season they get taken through a video of how things are interpreted and despite that they didn't know
Blah, blah
MT if you remember
Just over 12 months ago at the ANZAC eve game as we sat and lamented the diabolical stand rule I said the game was stuffed
12 months and 1 week later it is still stuffed
Have no issue with that 50Cumberland had a poor game and no surprise he got dragged. But, he shouldn't have been pinged for that 50. Replay clearly showed him trying to control and stop the ball with the outside of his foot which is a typical soccer skill. He wasn't trying to kick the ball away. Dare I say "commonsense" should have been applied by the ump but apparently that only applies to our opponents (hello Sydney game last year).
Rule is stupid but has been around since the 1990s
I sat there thinking "hope hw gets away with it" ;D
He didn't
Bottom line is ball was over the line, Noah was over the line and kicked it away.To me, it looked like he tried to keep the ball in.
So under the stupid rule in place it is 50 metres
The problem is it rarely gets paid so when it does it becomes a controversial decision
As I said and clearly I am in the minority it was the right call however moronic the rule is
Yeah, the ball was over by 4/12ths of a foot in slow-mo at the right angle.
Seriously, eff off and get a job directing traffic.
stuffing terrible decision.
Un-Australian -- right up until Australia became the "keep off the grass" capital of the universe.
Nope.Yeah, the ball was over by 4/12ths of a foot in slow-mo at the right angle.Is that abusive tirade directed at me?
Seriously, eff off and get a job directing traffic.
stuffing terrible decision.
Un-Australian -- right up until Australia became the "keep off the grass" capital of the universe.
Yeah, the ball was over by 4/12ths of a foot in slow-mo at the right angle.Which I think is actually 1/3?
That's correct. They are identical measurements. :thumbsupYeah, the ball was over by 4/12ths of a foot in slow-mo at the right angle.Which I think is actually 1/3?
I think that decision indicates that umpires are looking to award free kicks rather than letting the game go on and be played in the spirit it is intended for.Exactly.
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/umpiring/HasTheUmpStuffedUpViewOfCumberland50.png)
https://twitter.com/hasumpstuffedup/status/1654719229390888960
The standard umpiring is just horrible. I don't know how these players keep their heads (both sides). Example was the mark that was taken past the point post for the cats and they made the man on the mark stand half way to the goal. How hard is it to place the mark in the right place. Just an example of so many errors.Too many stupid needless rules taking the umps' focus away from correctly umpiring the basic ones.
The standard umpiring is just horrible. I don't know how these players keep their heads (both sides). Example was the mark that was taken past the point post for the cats and they made the man on the mark stand half way to the goal. How hard is it to place the mark in the right place. Just an example of so many errors.Too many stupid needless rules taking the umps' focus away from correctly umpiring the basic ones.
Fisher is the worst umpire i have ever seen. Some of the decisions today were pathetic.
The JHF kick was there. Balta got him high, not heaps of contact but it was high
There were some very bad calls in the 4th however
"I reckon players might be cottoning on to this, and starting to play a bit possum."
- Jack Riewoldt thinks some players are starting to play for dangerous tackle free kicks.
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1664204659886792708
Grimes appeared to be taken high but it results in a Giants free kick. Was this adjudicated correctly?
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1665218931706183680
Grimes appeared to be taken high but it results in a Giants free kick. Was this adjudicated correctly?
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1665218931706183680
One of the howlers :lol
If he hadn't been be grabbed around the scone then yes the 2nd part of it was correct HTB :rollin
Aids Face :thumbsdown
One word corrupt.
One word corrupt.
The game is stuffed
MT knows I’m the opposite of an umpire basher
It actually gives me the poos
But tonight was as bad as I’ve seen
Horrendous
Atrocious..
Won't waste time going through the stinkers. I also will say I'm shocked the goal line tech went out way, or should I say that the umpire decision went out way. That ball 100% hit the post and was gutless by ARC ump.
Insipid effort tonight. Makes the win better and shows how well we played to control and dominate the game with free turnover free kicks they got.
Atrocious..
Won't waste time going through the stinkers. I also will say I'm shocked the goal line tech went out way, or should I say that the umpire decision went out way. That ball 100% hit the post and was gutless by ARC ump.
Insipid effort tonight. Makes the win better and shows how well we played to control and dominate the game with free turnover free kicks they got.
I read on Twitter the reason the "edge" technology wasnt used was because Broad had touched the post
Good God, if the technology can't be used because of that why have it?
Farcical
Was that Bazil Zempless commentating tonight?
Was that Bazil Zempless commentating tonight?
Yep
The AFL has ticked off on last night's Ethan Hughes score review.
AFL Edge was used, but was ultimately deemed 'insufficient evidence'.
@FOXFOOTY
https://twitter.com/DavidZita1/status/1667720672062353409
Tigers defender Broad tracked Hughes’ kick back towards the goal line and ran into the goal post, compromising the Edge system.
With Edge unavailable, there was insufficient evidence to determine whether the ball hit or missed the goal post.
This is the part I don't get, Maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but the ball hit the post/went near the post before Broad touch the post?
When you watch the replay Johnson's arms weren't pinned either by Graham. Arms free, being spun around by more than 360 degrees and making no attempt to get rid of the ball, should be HTB.Its time for the umpires to be held responsible for not blowing the whistle when its obvious that a tackle has nailed the player in possession. The longer the tackler has to wait for a decision (90% likely the only decision that could be made) the more likely he is to sling the player into the ground. Even deciding to call a ball up with an early whistle is better than having a player flung into the ground.Correct JP. Umpires give way too much leeway for player with ball. The classic was last night when Freo guy had ball for an hour and Graham swung him around and down - was called sling. Was actually holding the ball! Call it earlier umps - before the sling starts.
Removing the sling tackle from the game is simple - Just blow the F%$#ing whistle!!
Why did the saints get a free from that nank mark on the wing? At the game and didn’t see anything. They went straight up and kicked a goal from that.
Last month
12-25 tonight
7-18 vs Freo
10-15 vs giants
14-23 vs Port
Total 43-81
Just 3 frees in the first half last week. Only 5 tonight. It's amazing how opposition teams are so perfect when they play us ::)I think it was only 3 to 3/4 time last week
Last month
12-25 tonight
7-18 vs Freo
10-15 vs giants
14-23 vs Port
Total 43-81
The positive in getting smashed in the free kicks count is another indicator that we are playing very aggressive football …. Our trademark
I must admit the calls have got me off my seat plenty of times and the one that has blown my gasket is the mansell one .. how they can suspend him at all for doing
What every young kid has been taught since the dawn of time , eyes on the ball and hard at it .
The one that had me within a millimetre blowing a woofer valve was the high contact called against Prestia
Saints player picks up the ball and then deliberately leds with his head in to Prestia and Prestia gets pinged for head high contact
Seriously what the? The rule is very clear led with your head and you won't be getting a free and should be pinged for either HTB or it gets called for a stoppage under the now beyond stupid "prior opportunity" rule
Are you saying that prior opportunity should be removed and the player tackled should automatically be called for holding the ball?
Are you saying that prior opportunity should be removed and the player tackled should automatically be called for holding the ball?
If the ball isn't disposed of legally, yes I think that's the suggestion.
Pick it up and get rid of it or just punch/kick it along
Personally I think we shouldn't pay high contact if it doesn't start high and isn't severe.
Are you saying that prior opportunity should be removed and the player tackled should automatically be called for holding the ball?
If the ball isn't disposed of legally, yes I think that's the suggestion.
Pick it up and get rid of it or just punch/kick it along
Personally I think we shouldn't pay high contact if it doesn't start high and isn't severe.
That would result in a ridiculous amount of free kicks and get rid of all stoppages other than throw ins and centre bounces.
Prior opportunity itself isn’t a rule it’s a way that they adjudicate the holding the ball rule. if you make it so players would be pinged holding the ball even if they are tackled straight away then what is their motivation to grab the ball other than in uncontested situations? You’d be left with players just kicking it off the ground or continuously paddling it on the ground or even worse just huddled around the ball waiting for someone to pick it up just so they can tackle them and win a free kick.
Are you saying that prior opportunity should be removed and the player tackled should automatically be called for holding the ball?
If the ball isn't disposed of legally, yes I think that's the suggestion.
Pick it up and get rid of it or just punch/kick it along
Personally I think we shouldn't pay high contact if it doesn't start high and isn't severe.
That would result in a ridiculous amount of free kicks and get rid of all stoppages other than throw ins and centre bounces.
Prior opportunity itself isn’t a rule it’s a way that they adjudicate the holding the ball rule. if you make it so players would be pinged holding the ball even if they are tackled straight away then what is their motivation to grab the ball other than in uncontested situations? You’d be left with players just kicking it off the ground or continuously paddling it on the ground or even worse just huddled around the ball waiting for someone to pick it up just so they can tackle them and win a free kick.
Used to be more like that a long time ago.
Less congestion would be good. Not saying it's the way to go though.
There were a number of times last night where both players were grabbing each other's jumper in the same aerial contest yet every single one was paid a free to St Kilda ::). It was even picked on the TV when a Saints opponent clearly had a fist full of Jack's #8 on the back of his jumper and the dopey ump paid it a free against Jack :facepalm.This was paid a free AGAINST Bolton plus 50 for dissent :facepalm.
I dread to think what awaits us in Brisbane in a fortnight might go see the Doc and get some medication in advance
There were a number of times last night where both players were grabbing each other's jumper in the same aerial contest yet every single one was paid a free to St Kilda ::). It was even picked on the TV when a Saints opponent clearly had a fist full of Jack's #8 on the back of his jumper and the dopey ump paid it a free against Jack :facepalm.This was paid a free AGAINST Bolton plus 50 for dissent :facepalm.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fy3xpGkakAAG_VN?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/Richmond_TT/status/1670256734563352576
I do love when Jobe Watson says the ump (Razor) was blindsided and missed Bolton's jumper being grabbed. Isn't this why there's four umpires now?
Vision of the above Bolton pic: https://twitter.com/outbreezyWC/status/1670030767274221569
There were a number of times last night where both players were grabbing each other's jumper in the same aerial contest yet every single one was paid a free to St Kilda ::). It was even picked on the TV when a Saints opponent clearly had a fist full of Jack's #8 on the back of his jumper and the dopey ump paid it a free against Jack :facepalm.This was paid a free AGAINST Bolton plus 50 for dissent :facepalm.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fy3xpGkakAAG_VN?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/Richmond_TT/status/1670256734563352576
Clearly the free was wrong but once paid the dissent was the right call
I get that Shai was peeved but he just has shut up. He gives away to many 50 metre penalties
I just watched the replay of the game. The umpiring was as shocking on TV as it was watching it live at the ground :help.
There were a number of times last night where both players were grabbing each other's jumper in the same aerial contest yet every single one was paid a free to St Kilda ::). It was even picked on the TV when a Saints opponent clearly had a fist full of Jack's #8 on the back of his jumper and the dopey ump paid it a free against Jack :facepalm.
I also had to laugh when Razor Ray said to one of our players who queried why there wasn't a free to us for high contact - "Nah, it was accidental" :huh. Can Razor show us in the AFL rulebook where "I didn't mean to do it" is an excuse? ::)
There were a number of times last night where both players were grabbing each other's jumper in the same aerial contest yet every single one was paid a free to St Kilda ::). It was even picked on the TV when a Saints opponent clearly had a fist full of Jack's #8 on the back of his jumper and the dopey ump paid it a free against Jack :facepalm.This was paid a free AGAINST Bolton plus 50 for dissent :facepalm.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fy3xpGkakAAG_VN?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/Richmond_TT/status/1670256734563352576
Clearly the free was wrong but once paid the dissent was the right call
I get that Shai was peeved but he just has shut up. He gives away to many 50 metre penalties
Given the state of the AFL tribunal at the moment Gary Rohan must be thinking he’s in trouble for the contact on teammate Jeremy Cameron 😳
And our mate Stewart is likely in trouble again for cheap shot on Viney. Pushing him over when he is clearly injured will be frowned upon by HQ tooJon Ralph reckons Stewart will only cop a fine for that.
Given the state of the AFL tribunal at the moment Gary Rohan must be thinking he’s in trouble for the contact on teammate Jeremy Cameron 😳Why didn't Rohan "slow down slightly"? That's what the tribunal told Mansell he should've decided to do in less than 0.2 of a second ::).
Plus he wasn’t looking at the ball.Given the state of the AFL tribunal at the moment Gary Rohan must be thinking he’s in trouble for the contact on teammate Jeremy Cameron 😳Why didn't Rohan "slow down slightly"? That's what the tribunal told Mansell he should've decided to do in less than 0.2 of a second ::).
Watch the incident here: https://twitter.com/SamFaff/status/1671815867716501505
Plus he wasn’t looking at the ball.Given the state of the AFL tribunal at the moment Gary Rohan must be thinking he’s in trouble for the contact on teammate Jeremy Cameron 😳Why didn't Rohan "slow down slightly"? That's what the tribunal told Mansell he should've decided to do in less than 0.2 of a second ::).
Watch the incident here: https://twitter.com/SamFaff/status/1671815867716501505
Well he did cause the injury through negligence.
It does beg the question that should he be charged with injuring another player even though on the same team?
I'd love Rohan to be rubbed out cause of the hatred for Cats but this is where the grey area is around trying to decide did the player have any alternative and time to choose that alternative to avoid head high contact.
The answer will be no, cause any half minded player would chose an alternative than to hurt a team mate or collide with a team mate.
Unfortunately this is decided by people who have played very little footy who don't understand accidents and heavy unavoidable collisions happen.
I don't think in the last 2 years we've seen anyone be lined up accept for
Stewart on Prestia
De Goey on the Eagles kid
Kosi to Smith
All other bumps I recall are either just collisions, protecting/evasion or attacking the footy.
Watching the Essendon vs Freo game, and it almost like the umpires played a free kick alto Essendon at every contest in the last until they got Essendon back into the game
Need to lose 2 umpires as they just playing free kicks to make themselves relevant
Don’t get me started on the lynch goal :bangheadHave the AFL released the definitive angle yet? #Umpirescall #sorrynotsorry
Don’t get me started on the lynch goal :bangheadIf I recall correctly it should have been an automated 50m penalty to Lynch before he even kicked it.
I forget who the man on the mark was , possibly Andrews, moved off his line, didn't stand!! Maybe I'm wrong but iirc that's how it was and wasn't even mentioned.
I have to go back and see it again
Have the AFL released the definitive angle yet? #Umpirescall #sorrynotsorry
https://twitter.com/Tigers_of_Old/status/1673826776823517184
Not that it made much difference but how many blatant htb calls did they miss tonight? >:(
Not that it made much difference but how many blatant htb calls did they miss tonight? >:(
And throws too fmd
Umps have been letting the opposition blatantly hold our players off the ball for the last few seasons, every side, including us, gets away with it at least once or twice a game but it seems to happen at least half a dozen times a game against us. :banghead
Then there was the seemingly differing appolication of the deliberate oob rule. :banghead :banghead
Umps have been letting the opposition blatantly hold our players off the ball for the last few seasons, every side, including us, gets away with it at least once or twice a game but it seems to happen at least half a dozen times a game against us. :banghead
Then there was the seemingly differing appolication of the deliberate oob rule. :banghead :banghead
The deliberate rulings were shocking
There was a couple that I was stunned at , especially the accidental one that Young kicked out
Umpire bashing :laugh: ;)Umps have been letting the opposition blatantly hold our players off the ball for the last few seasons, every side, including us, gets away with it at least once or twice a game but it seems to happen at least half a dozen times a game against us. :banghead
Then there was the seemingly differing appolication of the deliberate oob rule. :banghead :banghead
The deliberate rulings were shocking
There was a couple that I was stunned at , especially the accidental one that Young kicked out
Dumping tackle?Shocker
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1680063196827357184
If it was a Richmond player, it would be a free against us.
This was paid a free for a dangerous tackle in the Carlton-Port game.
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1680118790439280640
ps. It'll also likely go before the MRO as well as Byrne-Jones was subbed off later (at half-time) with concussion.
I agree, WP. Just pointing out the umpiring inconsistency (and Collingwood charity) when compared with Maynard's dumping tackle on Walters that wasn't paid a free.This was paid a free for a dangerous tackle in the Carlton-Port game.
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1680118790439280640
ps. It'll also likely go before the MRO as well as Byrne-Jones was subbed off later (at half-time) with concussion.
Under the current rules Razor made the right call however stupid the rule is these days. He's one of the u,ps that pays it and is more importantly consistent in paying it
Carlton bloke will get at least 1-2 weeks
I agree, WP. Just pointing out the umpiring inconsistency (and Collingwood charity) when compared with Maynard's dumping tackle on Walters that wasn't paid a free.This was paid a free for a dangerous tackle in the Carlton-Port game.
https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1680118790439280640
ps. It'll also likely go before the MRO as well as Byrne-Jones was subbed off later (at half-time) with concussion.
Under the current rules Razor made the right call however stupid the rule is these days. He's one of the u,ps that pays it and is more importantly consistent in paying it
Carlton bloke will get at least 1-2 weeks
ps. Given Byrne-Jones went off concussed shortly afterwards at half-time in the Blues-vs-Port game, Boyd could be facing 3 weeks if the MRO are consistent (ed: trying not to laugh while typing that!). It could end up another unfair harsh verdict for what was a football act that only a year ago wouldn't have even been looked at :-\.
No impact on the result as it happened in the last minute, but Buckley tonight called out Hugo not receiving 50m for Witherden running into his protected area almost one metre right in front of Hugo, as the worst non-50 call of the year.
Some serious questions need to be asked to the @AFL Umpires. 30 seconds to go, Vlaustin marks the pickett kick, does not deviate from his line and within 3 seconds of marking it, the umpire calls play on. Why ? That is not in the rules, its actually against them.
https://twitter.com/Tiger7192926603/status/1682659827208830976
"I’m guessing this is the standard now.
Full forward takes a mark on 50.
Defender can take 3-4 side steps on the mark with the ump yelling STAND and that’s OK.
The more I look at this, the worse it gets.
Have you ever, since the Stand rule came in, seen such leeway given to a player who has chosen to STAND?
Mark is on the left of the logo.
Look where Sicily finally stops moving sideways.
BTW, Jack is clearly trying to kick it to Coulthard, and Sicily is clearly moving to stop that kick down the line.
Remind me again why the STAND rule was brought in."
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/animatedvidsgifs/WhatStandRuleSicilyRiewoldtR192023.gif)
https://twitter.com/VeteranDave/status/1682874453762666496
And Broad gets taken high and it’s ignored for a holding the ball
And Broad gets taken high and it’s ignored for a holding the ball
Should have knocked it through.
He drew the contact and didn't dispose of the ball, had opportunity imo
And Broad gets taken high and it’s ignored for a holding the ball
Should have knocked it through.
He drew the contact and didn't dispose of the ball, had opportunity imo
Gave Melbourne a nice kick start when they most needed it..... :shhWhen you think about it it must be very deflating playing you guts out only to have all your hard effort stollen from you. Getting up from this every week would be very rough and you can see how we can drop off at times. Credit to our guys fighting through this week after week.
Gave Melbourne a nice kick start when they most needed it..... :shhWhen you think about it it must be very deflating playing you guts out only to have all your hard effort stollen from you. Getting up from this every week would be very rough and you can see how we can drop off at times. Credit to our guys fighting through this week after week.
Is it correct we got only 1 free kick after half time bewildering.
Watching port v Gee, port getting totally reamed by umps, disgraceful
Watching port v Gee, port getting totally reamed by umps, disgracefulAs well as the Cats leading the free kick count 31-19, the Power were intrigued as to why umpire Brendan Hosking paid 15 free kicks alone to Geelong.
Outrageous
Every free kick Charlie Curnow has received in 2023 so far (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f440.svg)No issue with all those frees, they were all there. The big issue is our forwards never get paid those . Not Jack, not Tom no one
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/1116sen/status/1689124901683388416
Given up on the umpires, I blame Richmond for continuing to stay silent. Richmond are weak as a club when it comes to this. They should have made a stand years ago re the umpires. Weak pussies
Given up on the umpires, I blame Richmond for continuing to stay silent. Richmond are weak as a club when it comes to this. They should have made a stand years ago re the umpires. Weak pussies
Given up on the umpires, I blame Richmond for continuing to stay silent. Richmond are weak as a club when it comes to this. They should have made a stand years ago re the umpires. Weak pussies
If you touch King and it a free kick, what's Bauer got to do?
Held in the marking contest
Over the shoulder
In the back
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/animatedvidsgifs/DodgyFree3R222023.gif)
https://twitter.com/natasem150/status/1690614585999654913
If you touch King and it a free kick, what's Bauer got to do?
Held in the marking contest
Over the shoulder
In the back
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/animatedvidsgifs/DodgyFree3R222023.gif)
https://twitter.com/natasem150/status/1690614585999654913
Learning curve for young fellow. Has to get used to being treated differently as a Tiger.
All time robbery over at Adelaide oval tonight.Here's the vision from different camera angles. Clear goal which oddly wasn't reviewed. Fox Footy reckons the ump mistook the sound of Mills' arm hitting the post for the ball.
Much worse than the horrendous tom lynch decision in the elimination final last year, not that I’m still dwelling…..
AFL CEO Gil McLachlan admits goal umpiring error last night. Says it should have been reviewed and if it was would have been overturned and been a goal. A huge umpiring mistake.
Also revealed the goal umpire has been stood down and won’t be umpiring for the rest of the season.
Doesn’t feel the need for more technology because the review clearly showed it did not hit the post. A human error.
AFL has apologised to the Adelaide Football Club for the costly mistake.
Won’t and can’t overturn the result.
https://twitter.com/coreynorris9
AFL CEO Gil McLachlan admits goal umpiring error last night. Says it should have been reviewed and if it was would have been overturned and been a goal. A huge umpiring mistake.
Also revealed the goal umpire has been stood down and won’t be umpiring for the rest of the season.
Doesn’t feel the need for more technology because the review clearly showed it did not hit the post. A human error.
AFL has apologised to the Adelaide Football Club for the costly mistake.
Won’t and can’t overturn the result.
https://twitter.com/coreynorris9
Why stand him down? Crucifying a bloke for making a mistake.
I thought every score was reviewed anyway or at least every goal is.
AFL should have done better.
AFL CEO Gil McLachlan admits goal umpiring error last night. Says it should have been reviewed and if it was would have been overturned and been a goal. A huge umpiring mistake.
Also revealed the goal umpire has been stood down and won’t be umpiring for the rest of the season.
Doesn’t feel the need for more technology because the review clearly showed it did not hit the post. A human error.
AFL has apologised to the Adelaide Football Club for the costly mistake.
Won’t and can’t overturn the result.
https://twitter.com/coreynorris9
Why stand him down? Crucifying a bloke for making a mistake.
I thought every score was reviewed anyway or at least every goal is.
AFL should have done better.
He absolutely should be stood down - incompetent fools aren't held to account enough as it is.... protected species that no-one's allowed to criticise..... :thumbsdown
Vault:
1985 Goal Umpiring error.
"One of the worst blunders in history here." - Peter McKenna.
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/umpiring/GoalumpireError1985.gif)
With sound: https://twitter.com/rhettrospective/status/1688477580649783296
Almost 40 years later and the League still can't get it right :whistle.
ps. Bonus points if you know who #28 for North is? Hint: You all know who he is from his role later on after his playing career.
I am convinced this group of umpires are compromised. Either by bitter revenge, attitude or by something else. Umpiring has got worse even with extra umpires and Arc reviews. But and this is where the fault lies. If you create an environment where their performance is devoid of scrutiny then this is where we land. And it's a very dangerous platform.
THE ARC !All cameras should be high res, as it is in soccer
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4dTnxDakAAi4da?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/aflratingsPete/status/1695415732493066462
Welcome to the AFL using 1970s resolution :facepalm.
And these outdated cameras decided our EF last year :P.
One of the most annoying rules when umpires have no feel for the game. This is not holding the ball, he trips over.
https://twitter.com/JetMahler/status/1695665263432364475
One of the most annoying rules when umpires have no feel for the game. This is not holding the ball, he trips over.
https://twitter.com/JetMahler/status/1695665263432364475
Yes he does, though that could be disputed but please roll the rest of the tape ::)
If it was the other way we'd be screaming for a free. Granted we wouldn't have got it but we'd be screaming for it.
Poor example of the shocking umpiring in the last qtr.
Get vision of the so called dangerous tackle, now that's a shocker
Same old same old ::) :thumbsdown
Dan Richardson, who is head of umpiring, gave the umps a grade of 7-8 out of 10 this year.
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/1116sen/status/1697523435918983453
:nope
Dan Richardson, who is head of umpiring, gave the umps a grade of 7-8 out of 10 this year.
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/1116sen/status/1697523435918983453
:nope
7-8 out of ten?
I'd give them a 5 and that's only because they have to deal with the most ridiculous rules and because they appear to getvotod to focus on a rule of the week
No wonder there's no consistency
Maynard contact with Brayshaw.
Accidental in the moment but gee the AFL have made a rod for their backs on this one
Should be 4 weeks on past judgements
Weeks or Nada??
Maynard contact with Brayshaw.
Accidental in the moment but gee the AFL have made a rod for their backs on this one
Should be 4 weeks on past judgements
Weeks or Nada??
Yeh going to be interesting, pure accident, braced for contact but caused bad damage high.
I cant pick what they will give him
And the AFL allow Daicos off when he smashes a blokes head into the ground and has a concussion testif that was a richmond boy you'd say play on, especially if another bloke had the players arm!
It’s just cheating by the Collingwood cheat Christian , totally prejudiced
And the AFL allow Daicos off when he smashes a blokes head into the ground and has a concussion testif that was a richmond boy you'd say play on, especially if another bloke had the players arm!
It’s just cheating by the Collingwood cheat Christian , totally prejudiced
Just over a minute to go and the umpire pays advantage when clearly the Li9ns didn't know the free had been paid. 100k people screaming can sort of drown put whistles
Thwtvwas a shocking call. May have cost Brisbane the game
And if umpire 14 is supposedly the one of the best 4 of the season then no wonder footy fans are confused and disgusted
First three years of the stand rule and the first time the minor premiers have won the flag in three consecutive years. :shhPure coincidence methinks.
23-8 last night
Nothing has changed
23-8 last night
Nothing has changed
To make it worse breakdown per qtr
1st = 3
2nd = 4
3rd = 1
4th = 0
That's ridiculous
Nah it's just a coincidence that nearly every side is miraculously somehow 50% more disciplined & much closer to playing perfect football than usual whenever they play us..... :whistle :shhAaaah thanks for the insightful synopsis, I knew it must just be me.
Should this goal have been overturned? (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f914.svg)
Watch replay here: https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1771798531818332284
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SCORE REVIEW SCRUTINY
Richmond defender Jayden Short insisted he touched Jackson Mead’s goal to start the final term, which was the beginning of the end of the Tigers’ chances.
Back-to-back brilliant Liam Baker goals in the final minute of the third term - the second from beyond 50 metres after the siren - slashed Port Adelaide’s lead to seven points.
But Mead’s goal was the first of four in eight minutes that blew the Power’s advantage out to 31 points and ended Richmond’s winning hopes.
There was no score review on this occasion despite the umpires using an abundance of caution to double-check straightforward goals to Darcy Byrne-Jones and Zak Butters earlier in the contest.
The trend this season is to go that way, but Short’s pleas went unanswered. We can only assume it was ticked off silently in the ARC as the Sherrin returned to the centre.
Source: The Age (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-live-updates-western-bulldogs-v-gold-coast-suns-richmond-tigers-v-port-adelaide-power-20240324-p5fesm.html).
Home Games - Free Kick Differential - 2017-2023:
(https://i.imgur.com/1yCqlSc.png)
Nothing to see here folks..... :whistle :shh
Home Games - Free Kick Differential - 2017-2023:
(https://i.imgur.com/1yCqlSc.png)
Nothing to see here folks..... :whistle :shh
is that true DIO. I just cant believe that.
Bottom i expected, but when you think about it of course its bloody true.
business as usual this week for benny and the prez. Play on umps are doing a great job........
https://www.afl.com.au/
" we dont have a set of rules for one player or club"
:lol :lol
I think each one of on here should be emailing the prez and Benny.
Will it achieve anything? No.
Though Something is better than nothing. I will do it today.
If I didn't have the kids with me the other day I would have walked out due to them. They are really putting me off watching full games. Absolute cheats they are .
I don’t know that last goal from the doggies involved one hell of a shove in the back.
Tell me you missed the rest of the game without telling me you missed the rest of the game:I don’t know that last goal from the doggies involved one hell of a shove in the back.
:shh
I personally think the score review system hasn't added anything good to the game one iota.:cheers :clapping
Only has brought more frustration and added to the idiotic circus of controversy and the ridiculousness of being at the ground and waiting for someone in a box looking at several screens to just refer back to the umpires call (except for the Lynch goal).
150 years of goal umpire putting themselves in perfect position and backing in their own judgement and making a bloody decision to now this farcical pantomimic goal square circus we have now.
What a bloody waste of time!
I personally think the score review system hasn't added anything good to the game one iota.
Only has brought more frustration and added to the idiotic circus of controversy and the ridiculousness of being at the ground and waiting for someone in a box looking at several screens to just refer back to the umpires call (except for the Lynch goal).
150 years of goal umpire putting themselves in perfect position and backing in their own judgement and making a bloody decision to now this farcical pantomimic goal square circus we have now.
What a bloody waste of time!
Toby Green incident worse than Bakers IMHO
i reckon they both should never be cited, and instead the afl sited for being a corrupt organization.
i reckon they both should never be cited, and instead the afl sited for being a corrupt organization.
:cheers :cheers :cheers
i reckon they both should never be cited, and instead the afl sited for being a corrupt organization.
Agreei reckon they both should never be cited, and instead the afl sited for being a corrupt organization.
It’s getting harder and harder to follow the game given the unchecked compromises to the integrity of it’s administration
Worst part of the umpiring, it's not generally the ones they pay against us, its what we dont get paid. Even the commentators tonight we're almost calling frees for us that weren't paid. Not the reason we lost, but just makes it so much more frustrating to watch.
Worst part of the umpiring, it's not generally the ones they pay against us, its what we dont get paid. Even the commentators tonight we're almost calling frees for us that weren't paid. Not the reason we lost, but just makes it so much more frustrating to watch.
I lost count of the number of 1 handed disposals.No surprise seeing the MCC's team playing rah-rah.
The worse decisions last night - Baker got one high on the wing which was obvious.
May got a soft one when Lefau took out his legs - that was a momentum killer .
As usual it's the blatant ones that we don't get that tick me off. Two different sets of rules for us and our opposition.Ump #36 had an unimpeded view of it too and still didn't pay it.
Kosi Pickett's two-handed push in Broad's back.
Disgraceful, pathetic, deplorable
Call it whatever you want
Their efforts today have impacted on this game.
I will go to games and watch us be s hit but I’m seriously contemplating not attending games because of the umpiring.We need a boycott until this is rectified
I don't know why everyone is upset about the umpires.. I hate them, I spent so much energy hating them for their blatant discrimination.. but then I realised, hey the RFC don't give a f, so why should I.
Time to shift your anger from the umpires, and direct it to the club.. the club has had a decade to deal with this but does nothing . RFC he has become weak because we are SOFT FROM THE TOP DOWN.. FISH ROTS AT THE HEAD
8 games played.
GC: 16 RFC: 15
CAR: 24 RFC: 17
RFC: 13 PAFC: 23 (MCG)
RFC: 17 SYD: 16
RFC: 21 STK: 23
WCE: 20 RFC: 11
RFC: 12 MFC: 24
RFC: 11 FRE: 20 (MCG)
-49 Free kicks after 7 games.
-30 in the past 3 weeks alone.
:thumbsdown
Time for the club to show some guts and make a formal complaint about the umpiringtime!!!!
Yeah it seems like we get reamed but we are also super undisciplined as we have been for a number of years now and we don’t tackle at all so don’t get as many frees.
Anyone work out the free kick and 50 metre penalty at the end of the 3rd quarter??
Anyone work out the free kick and 50 metre penalty at the end of the 3rd quarter??
Yes, Dow dropped the ball once the siren sounded. He needed to hand it to the Freo ruck as it was a free to him just prior.
Anyone work out the free kick and 50 metre penalty at the end of the 3rd quarter??
Yes, Dow dropped the ball once the siren sounded. He needed to hand it to the Freo ruck as it was a free to him just prior.
Like the Prestia non-50?
4. THE UMPIRING AT THE MCG ON SUNDAY
Richmond supporters were livid. They had every right to be. The free kick count was 20-11, but that wasn’t the problem. The problem was the number of free kicks umpires didn’t pay when it appeared the Tigers had earnt them. Time and again, the Tigers would lay a tackle and not be rewarded for incorrect disposal. Salt was added to the wound when the Dockers, at times, received free kicks for incorrect disposal by the Tigers. Once again, confusion reigned about what exactly is prior opportunity. The more cynical Tigers supporter would say ‘what’s new’. Over the past five years, Richmond’s differential between free kicks for and free kicks against is -332. The next worst side is Hawthorn on -108. How can that properly be explained? Is there a vendetta? Or are the Tigers just sloppy or too aggressive with their tackling? If this was politics, a Royal Commission would be demanded. And if this was politics, we’d love Tigers officials to have parliamentary privilege so we could hear what they really think.
Look out ...even Slobbo's noticing.....Exhibit A: This clear HTB not paid to us :thumbsdownQuote4. THE UMPIRING AT THE MCG ON SUNDAY
Richmond supporters were livid. They had every right to be. The free kick count was 20-11, but that wasn’t the problem. The problem was the number of free kicks umpires didn’t pay when it appeared the Tigers had earnt them. Time and again, the Tigers would lay a tackle and not be rewarded for incorrect disposal. Salt was added to the wound when the Dockers, at times, received free kicks for incorrect disposal by the Tigers. Once again, confusion reigned about what exactly is prior opportunity. The more cynical Tigers supporter would say ‘what’s new’. Over the past five years, Richmond’s differential between free kicks for and free kicks against is -332. The next worst side is Hawthorn on -108. How can that properly be explained? Is there a vendetta? Or are the Tigers just sloppy or too aggressive with their tackling? If this was politics, a Royal Commission would be demanded. And if this was politics, we’d love Tigers officials to have parliamentary privilege so we could hear what they really think.
Sicily is 100% right on this one. How is it the jabba is first to call this out and the club sat on its arse and has done sfa about this topic.
They clearly don't gaf as most of them have one foot out the door already.
ExactlySicily is 100% right on this one. How is it the jabba is first to call this out and the club sat on its arse and has done sfa about this topic.
They clearly don't gaf as most of them have one foot out the door already.
We don’t know what the club has said or done to the AFL
Usually things are leaked out if we have asked a please explain, in fact 99% of the time they are.
We have had pretty much crickets for years. The disdain for the afl was only evident when Dimma spoke a few times.
The fact that paid members thoughts on this are dismissed can only be construed as the club not giving a stuff. Business as usual they do a great job, hard job, legacy this and that
Balme has been the only one that gives them a whack. This is getting worse by the week and frankly supporters and members are sick of it you can see the angst at games. What a we scared off 100k members the club has done stuffing all in my opinion. Let's say it how it is and cop a fine from this corrupt organisation. Robbed at the Gabba with the Lynch goal and everyweek practically get umpired different.
Should have been a 50m penalty.. Andrews iirc moved off the mark before Lynch even kicked it. Stand rule was ignored . How convenientBalme has been the only one that gives them a whack. This is getting worse by the week and frankly supporters and members are sick of it you can see the angst at games. What a we scared off 100k members the club has done stuffing all in my opinion. Let's say it how it is and cop a fine from this corrupt organisation. Robbed at the Gabba with the Lynch goal and everyweek practically get umpired different.
Wasn't a goal
Should have been a 50m penalty.. Andrews iirc moved off the mark before Lynch even kicked it. Stand rule was ignored . How convenientBalme has been the only one that gives them a whack. This is getting worse by the week and frankly supporters and members are sick of it you can see the angst at games. What a we scared off 100k members the club has done stuffing all in my opinion. Let's say it how it is and cop a fine from this corrupt organisation. Robbed at the Gabba with the Lynch goal and everyweek practically get umpired different.
Wasn't a goal
Should have been a 50m penalty.. Andrews iirc moved off the mark before Lynch even kicked it. Stand rule was ignored . How convenientBalme has been the only one that gives them a whack. This is getting worse by the week and frankly supporters and members are sick of it you can see the angst at games. What a we scared off 100k members the club has done stuffing all in my opinion. Let's say it how it is and cop a fine from this corrupt organisation. Robbed at the Gabba with the Lynch goal and everyweek practically get umpired different.
Wasn't a goal
lets not forget the fact it was paid a goal and with that must come conclusive evidence to overturn...which never came.
what did come is Lynch didnt "celebrate enough"
That should explain quite clearly why idiots like that fruitloop keene and gil the loser are laughed at by people like me.
Considering the AFL is a multi million if not billion dollar industry, we still have under paid and to be fair poor quality umpires. Along with the shocking score review system in place, surely the AFL should be spending more money in this area. Some of the decisions we have seen across the league this year have been shocking, from balls out of bounds, score reviews that aren't required and of course the obvious missed calls that all can see. These missed calls can turn a game, and especially when there is betting agencies involved, this continued ignorance should not continue as it is more than just a game these days.
Train the umps correctly, pay them more and penalise poor mistakes and missed calls so that they learn not to make them again.
Sorry for the rant...I didn't expect to actually write this much. I just get sick of having things not paid to us that the other teams get in the same game. We dont lose games due to these calls but it can definitely change a specific play.
Anyways....there's always next week
:banghead
Considering the AFL is a multi million if not billion dollar industry, we still have under paid and to be fair poor quality umpires. Along with the shocking score review system in place, surely the AFL should be spending more money in this area. Some of the decisions we have seen across the league this year have been shocking, from balls out of bounds, score reviews that aren't required and of course the obvious missed calls that all can see. These missed calls can turn a game, and especially when there is betting agencies involved, this continued ignorance should not continue as it is more than just a game these days.
Train the umps correctly, pay them more and penalise poor mistakes and missed calls so that they learn not to make them again.
Sorry for the rant...I didn't expect to actually write this much. I just get sick of having things not paid to us that the other teams get in the same game. We dont lose games due to these calls but it can definitely change a specific play.
Anyways....there's always next week
:banghead
Meanwhile the AFL is floating the idea of premiership/grand final rings which wouldn't be cheap :-\
Considering the AFL is a multi million if not billion dollar industry, we still have under paid and to be fair poor quality umpires. Along with the shocking score review system in place, surely the AFL should be spending more money in this area. Some of the decisions we have seen across the league this year have been shocking, from balls out of bounds, score reviews that aren't required and of course the obvious missed calls that all can see. These missed calls can turn a game, and especially when there is betting agencies involved, this continued ignorance should not continue as it is more than just a game these days.
Train the umps correctly, pay them more and penalise poor mistakes and missed calls so that they learn not to make them again.
Sorry for the rant...I didn't expect to actually write this much. I just get sick of having things not paid to us that the other teams get in the same game. We dont lose games due to these calls but it can definitely change a specific play.
Anyways....there's always next week
:banghead
Meanwhile the AFL is floating the idea of premiership/grand final rings which wouldn't be cheap :-\
Just goes to show the business model of the AFL is to keep their favourite teams/CEOs/sponsers happy and really forget about the fans who pay their wages and support the game we love.
We aren't the NFL do we really need rings? Think of something original!!!
Can you really see see Dusty and co. walking the streets with a rings on??? :shh
Considering the AFL is a multi million if not billion dollar industry, we still have under paid and to be fair poor quality umpires. Along with the shocking score review system in place, surely the AFL should be spending more money in this area. Some of the decisions we have seen across the league this year have been shocking, from balls out of bounds, score reviews that aren't required and of course the obvious missed calls that all can see. These missed calls can turn a game, and especially when there is betting agencies involved, this continued ignorance should not continue as it is more than just a game these days.
Train the umps correctly, pay them more and penalise poor mistakes and missed calls so that they learn not to make them again.
Sorry for the rant...I didn't expect to actually write this much. I just get sick of having things not paid to us that the other teams get in the same game. We dont lose games due to these calls but it can definitely change a specific play.
Anyways....there's always next week
:banghead
Meanwhile the AFL is floating the idea of premiership/grand final rings which wouldn't be cheap :-\
Just goes to show the business model of the AFL is to keep their favourite teams/CEOs/sponsers happy and really forget about the fans who pay their wages and support the game we love.
We aren't the NFL do we really need rings? Think of something original!!!
Can you really see see Dusty and co. walking the streets with a rings on??? :shh
Why must we blindly follow absolutely everything the yanks do? Might as well just make Fatchison CEO of the AFL - he wants to seppo-ise the stuff out of the game.... :facepalm
Considering the AFL is a multi million if not billion dollar industry, we still have under paid and to be fair poor quality umpires. Along with the shocking score review system in place, surely the AFL should be spending more money in this area. Some of the decisions we have seen across the league this year have been shocking, from balls out of bounds, score reviews that aren't required and of course the obvious missed calls that all can see. These missed calls can turn a game, and especially when there is betting agencies involved, this continued ignorance should not continue as it is more than just a game these days.
Train the umps correctly, pay them more and penalise poor mistakes and missed calls so that they learn not to make them again.
Sorry for the rant...I didn't expect to actually write this much. I just get sick of having things not paid to us that the other teams get in the same game. We dont lose games due to these calls but it can definitely change a specific play.
Anyways....there's always next week
:banghead
Meanwhile the AFL is floating the idea of premiership/grand final rings which wouldn't be cheap :-\
Just goes to show the business model of the AFL is to keep their favourite teams/CEOs/sponsers happy and really forget about the fans who pay their wages and support the game we love.
We aren't the NFL do we really need rings? Think of something original!!!
Can you really see see Dusty and co. walking the streets with a rings on??? :shh
Why must we blindly follow absolutely everything the yanks do? Might as well just make Fatchison CEO of the AFL - he wants to seppo-ise the stuff out of the game.... :facepalm
I bet the umpires get them as well and they will proudly wear them
"I repeat the question, why do you hate Richmond?"
Don't worry, Mick. Laura Kane came prepared
https://twitter.com/thefrontbar7/status/1788164650816995688
"I repeat the question, why do you hate Richmond?"
Don't worry, Mick. Laura Kane came prepared
https://twitter.com/thefrontbar7/status/1788164650816995688
I get the Front Bar is mostly a comedy show and I'll confess I rarely watch it as I find Malloy not funny and an embarrassment when it comes to Richmond
But last night they had a chance to put her on the spot and ask her opinion on some of the frees from last week
No, they couldn't do that Malloy had to come with the above to get a few laughs :help
Doesn't and didn't help the Tigers cause, making a joke about it lets them of the hook.
(https://images.ctfassets.net/u8w3l566ay8a/1SNDquaA7KiETZ5KhUPXwc/d0b9895e9ca53922976a69acafaf7196/TEAMS___LISTS__53_.jpg)
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/05/07/the-2024-free-kick-ladder-round-8/
RFC career free kick differential
Dusty -150
Nankervis -101
Bolton -72
McIntosh -52
Pickett -50
Baker -46
Graham -33
Lynch -20
Vlastuin -19
Balta -18
Broad -17
Short -6
Prestia +17
Grimes +18
D.Rioli +46
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/teams/richmond.html
Absolute garbage. It is a comedy show not AFL360. Mick put her under pressure and did exactly what was required. The big wigs at the CFL are now on notice,
At least Mick isn’t an AFL sycophant or apologist like Wankley and Caro
She would never give him a straight answer whether he's being funny or tough.If we win the free kick count by 1 or 2, we will win the game by15 goals.
This weekend we will be +1 or +2 for frees IMO. Watch this space.
I never want to see Kmac in the seniors again.That’s a slight exaggeration
He is absolutely hopeless in all facets of the game.
I never want to see Kmac in the seniors again.
He is absolutely hopeless in all facets of the game.
No, it's correct, all he is , is a fit runner, can run all day. Other than that he's hopelessI never want to see Kmac in the seniors again.That’s a slight exaggeration
He is absolutely hopeless in all facets of the game.
I never want to see Kmac in the seniors again.That’s a slight exaggeration
He is absolutely hopeless in all facets of the game.
So he’s not hopeless in every facet of the game if he is a fit runner and can run all day.No, it's correct, all he is , is a fit runner, can run all day. Other than that he's hopelessI never want to see Kmac in the seniors again.That’s a slight exaggeration
He is absolutely hopeless in all facets of the game.
Yze also dismissed any suggestion his players were being treated harshly by the umpires after the free kick data released this week showed the Tigers had the second least amount awarded to them while also giving away the second most across the competition.
“To be fair, it’s on us,” he said.
“We’ll train our contest and our technique and we are constantly looking at if we are holding in marking contests or not getting low and hard enough around the contest and tackling.
“The majority of those mistakes are on us. The umpires are doing a great job.”
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-coach-adem-yze-supports-western-bulldogs-rival-luke-beveridge/news-story/2e18f701035b5ae689aa2e1a581b2709
So he’s not hopeless in every facet of the game if he is a fit runner and can run all day.No, it's correct, all he is , is a fit runner, can run all day. Other than that he's hopelessI never want to see Kmac in the seniors again.That’s a slight exaggeration
He is absolutely hopeless in all facets of the game.
Yze also dismissed any suggestion his players were being treated harshly by the umpires after the free kick data released this week showed the Tigers had the second least amount awarded to them while also giving away the second most across the competition.
“To be fair, it’s on us,” he said.
“We’ll train our contest and our technique and we are constantly looking at if we are holding in marking contests or not getting low and hard enough around the contest and tackling.
“The majority of those mistakes are on us. The umpires are doing a great job.”
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-coach-adem-yze-supports-western-bulldogs-rival-luke-beveridge/news-story/2e18f701035b5ae689aa2e1a581b2709
Sack the dumb prick now. fFS
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/the-stats-that-show-why-the-afl-should-undo-hocking-s-rule-changes-20240515-p5jdti.html
:whistle
Opinion
The stats that show why the AFL should undo Hocking’s rule changes
Kane Cornes
AFL columnist
May 16, 2024 — 12.02pm
In 2019, the AFL’s newly formed competition committee, led by then league football boss Steve Hocking, introduced nine rule and interpretation changes.
Some of the biggest figures in football tried to turn back the clock by putting players in three zones at centre bounces to achieve a significant change in the look of the game.
The six-six-six model, as it is now known, forced players into dedicated starting positions, if only for a few seconds after the centre bounce.
Also, players were no longer required to kick to themselves to play on from the goal square during kick-ins. The man on the mark had to stay 10 metres back from the goal square; now it’s 15 metres.
Hocking’s think tank had a clear objective. To counter defensive coaches playing “not to lose”, the competition committee wanted an aggressive style of play with free-flowing football, and ease and speed of ball movement. It wanted more one-on-one contests.
In 2021, Hocking doubled down on this approach with the “stand” rule. The player on the mark could not move laterally, becoming a statue as soon as an umpire called “stand”. Any move before “play on” leads to a 50-metre penalty.
The aim was to speed up ball movement and generate easier scoring chances.
However, these rule changes have failed. Completely.
Not only has there been no significant lift in scoring from centre bounces or kick-ins, but umpiring is more complex and players are more challenged in what should be a simple game.
Most concerning is the reaction of the coaches. If it’s easier for the opposition to score, coaches think more defensively.
The six-six-six rule limits any coach’s ability to make strategic moves during games. It has stymied the advancement of coaching techniques to make the game better.
The AFL will say the rule changes are an overwhelming success. The statistics tell a different story.
In five seasons from 2014-18, teams scored an average of 10.2 points each game from centre bounces. Since 2019 (excluding the COVID-19-affected 2020 season), scoring from centre bounces has increased by only 0.5 points, reaching 10.7 points each game.
Before the rule change, teams scored from a centre bounce about 23 per cent. Today, it is 24 per cent.
The six-six-six rule has killed innovation and unique set-ups at centre bounces.
Tactics such as varying the wingmen’s starting positioning, the use of high forwards on the defensive side of the centre square line, deploying spare defenders to protect a lead or having attacking forwards surge through the centre square – as the late Phil Walsh, a brilliant coach at Adelaide, regularly did with Eddie Betts – are now lost to the game.
(https://i.imgur.com/qSf6Jde.png)
Even the ploy of a red-hot forward clearing out the forward 50 to create space for potential mismatches is gone.
All this sacrificed for just an average 0.5-point increase in scoring.
Meanwhile, the umpires are repeatedly stopping play to warn teams for breaching starting position protocols. It is a mess.
St Kilda coach Ross Lyon expressed his frustration after losing to Hawthorn at the weekend, citing restrictions on the use of the runner. He said it hindered his ability to make crucial game-day moves.
Lyon should instead take issue with those who changed the rule book to stifle the strategic creativity and effectiveness of the league’s best game-day coaches.
The new kick-in rule is a resounding failure. From 2014-18, teams scored an average of 3.9 points from kick-ins each game. Since 2019, this figure has fallen to 3.3 points. Furthermore, the percentage of kick-ins resulting in an inside-50 entry improved by just 1 percentage point from 20 to 21 per cent.
(https://i.imgur.com/r9ZZJ7F.png)
The kick-in to inside-50 conversion rate is up from 19 to 22 per cent from the AFL’s decision to push the man on the mark back an additional five metres in 2021. Despite this change, scoring is now marginally below pre-rule change levels.
All this rule has changed is the eagerness of players stepping out of the goal square during kick-ins, to secure cheap, junk possessions and distort the game’s statistical records.
(https://i.imgur.com/Z8wHHpj.png)
The stand rule continues to be an embarrassment for the game, failing to generate any increase in scoring. The cry of “stand” from the umpires is annoying in the broadcast microphones.
And how farcical was it to have Brisbane Lions forward Charlie Cameron told to stand on the mark when he was in agony with an ankle injury earlier this season?
The AFL’s implementation of the six-six-six rule and other recent changes have failed to deliver on the promises of enhanced scoring and improving the game’s look. Instead, we have confusion, less creativity from coaches and no meaningful benefit.
The AFL should revisit these rule changes. It should encourage coaching innovation and creativity and making the job of the umpire easier.
Change is not always good.
He is correct on all points.
Largely speaking the game is less interesting as a result.
He is correct on all points.
Largely speaking the game is less interesting as a result.
Very true Andyy, I find that the vast majority of games are unwatchable. I start to watch a game, get bored with the lack of contests & hearing umpires saying "stand, stand, stand". I either change the channel or turn the TV off & go watch paint dry or grass grow, which is far more exciting.
I also think the AFL is going too far with the head contact + suspensions.
Given the earning potential of an AFL player (particularly the ones that 'make it' long term) I think they should be asked to sign a waiver that prevents them from suing the AFL or clubs for damages later in life.
I also think the AFL is going too far with the head contact + suspensions.
Given the earning potential of an AFL player (particularly the ones that 'make it' long term) I think they should be asked to sign a waiver that prevents them from suing the AFL or clubs for damages later in life.
Waivers don't hold up in court more often then not with this sort of thing though if the players can prove gross negligence or a breach of duty of care.... :shh
Not true if your a global pharmaceutical manufacturer and a country gave you complete indemnity against liability. :rollinI also think the AFL is going too far with the head contact + suspensions.
Given the earning potential of an AFL player (particularly the ones that 'make it' long term) I think they should be asked to sign a waiver that prevents them from suing the AFL or clubs for damages later in life.
Waivers don't hold up in court more often then not with this sort of thing though if the players can prove gross negligence or a breach of duty of care.... :shh
He is correct on all points.
Largely speaking the game is less interesting as a result.
Very true Andyy, I find that the vast majority of games are unwatchable. I start to watch a game, get bored with the lack of contests & hearing umpires saying "stand, stand, stand". I either change the channel or turn the TV off & go watch paint dry or grass grow, which is far more exciting.
Yeah it's sad.
When I was a bachelor I would watch basically every game from Friday night, Sat PM, Sat night and Sunday.
Now sometimes I actually struggle to watch the Richmond games with much enthusiasm...
As a spectacle it's deteriorated significantly and I blame the rule changes.
Disagree strongly. Just another unnecessary rule change. And what would it result in? Players just grouped together standing around the ball afraid of picking it up because if they do and get immediately tackled they give away a free kick?
I’ve said it before I’ll say it again, leave the bloody game alone. Don’t create rules to influence and effect the style in which the game is played. Let teams and coaches dictate their own style and do what their supposed to do and come up with strategies to beat their opposition.
Is there's any real proof that Hocking wanted to stop Richmond from winning finals and premierships and devised the Stand rule?
Or is it just a rumour?
I haven't been able to find any real proof anywhere but I do remember reading it somewhere of an actual plot to stop Richmond.
Just so I can prove it to my brother in law and show him myself.
Thanks. I actually just remembered I had asked this question before and MT linked the article.Is there's any real proof that Hocking wanted to stop Richmond from winning finals and premierships and devised the Stand rule?
Or is it just a rumour?
I haven't been able to find any real proof anywhere but I do remember reading it somewhere of an actual plot to stop Richmond.
Just so I can prove it to my brother in law and show him myself.
Common knowledge he was unhappy with the way players were "aggressively" manning the mark and singled out Richmond and Cotchin & McIntosh in particular to colleagues at the AFL....been mentioned in the media ....articles in the HUN but they're behind paywalls... :shh
What was the 50m against Rioli for?
Why wasn’t that a free against Cameron for an unrealistic marking attempt?
He didn’t touch the ball and took Nank out who was our only defender in the contest
WTF
What was the 50m against Rioli for?
I want Gale and Yze stuffen sacked for not calling it out. stuffen. BSThis is the result of snowflake leftists in charge
I want Gale and Yze stuffen sacked for not calling it out. stuffen. BSThis is the result of snowflake leftists in charge
And he's a leftist globalist snowflakeI want Gale and Yze stuffen sacked for not calling it out. stuffen. BSThis is the result of snowflake leftists in charge
Agree with this totally.
Did you hear Chris Scott call the dogs out the other day.
I have never heard of anything like that from anyone. We know why Benny didn't and that is because he wanted that top job.
Disgraceful
Balme was the only one call the them out and now is in a advisor tole for the lady's side and dnd of year his gone the best footy administrator and he wanted to go on.
Balme was the only one call the them out and now is in a advisor tole for the lady's side and dnd of year his gone the best footy administrator and he wanted to go on.
I think the rules just have to be simplified. There should be no prior op. If you are caught and don't dispose correctly. You are gone.:clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping
If there are hands in the back (fwd or backline) it's in the back. Umps should not be made to make split second judgements on force, prior, sufficient attempt etc. Call the rules black and white...no grey area.
The players will all adjust their game style accordingly to how the decisions are paid, if the umps pay them the same and effectively every game.
And while we are on rules, please Nick off the 666 and stand rule 🤦
Would like to see the umpires sit in on the game review at rfc and explain why they made their decisions. Not a witch hunt but a learning process
Well if they did sit in they may have more empathy, OPSM great idea, maybe Guide Dogs??Would like to see the umpires sit in on the game review at rfc and explain why they made their decisions. Not a witch hunt but a learning process
Would be great, but I really dont think they know. It's almost like its become second nature to them to not pay frees to us. Like they take too long to make up their mind and then decide 'oh it's too late now to make the call!'.
Deep down I'm sure there's no witch-hunt against us.(Anymore)
I wonder if it's the colour black....how do we fair when we wear yellow?? Maybe they just don't see the players properly wearing black?! Maybe OPSM need to up their sponsership for umps??
Bumblers wear black and they've got the second best free kick differential...mind you umps have loved them for as long as I can remember...hell, one of their players even became one... :shh
ps. They mentioned last night on On the Couch that we received just one HTB free from our 37 tackles on the weekend :thumbsdown.
I'm all in on umpire bashing especially when they are as corrupt as their employers but let's not deflect away from this
Kane M 5 tackles
Cumberland and Dow 3
wtf were the rest of them doing?
Sonzie 0
Dusty 0
Greene 0
Perhaps Yze coaches bruise free :shh
I'm all in on umpire bashing especially when they are as corrupt as their employers but let's not deflect away from this
Kane M 5 tackles
Cumberland and Dow 3
wtf were the rest of them doing?
Sonzie 0
Dusty 0
Greene 0
Perhaps Yze coaches bruise free :shh
Greene was on for about 2.4 seconds
But harsh throwing him in with the others
I'm all in on umpire bashing especially when they are as corrupt as their employers but let's not deflect away from this
Kane M 5 tackles
Cumberland and Dow 3
wtf were the rest of them doing?
Sonzie 0
Dusty 0
Greene 0
Perhaps Yze coaches bruise free :shh
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https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/05/27/the-2024-free-kick-ladder-round-11/
ps. They mentioned last night on On the Couch that we received just one HTB free from our 37 tackles on the weekend :thumbsdown.
McBurney was one of the worst umpires this game has seen. I would not expect anything sensible from him.
ps. They mentioned last night on On the Couch that we received just one HTB free from our 37 tackles on the weekend :thumbsdown.
As big a issue as the lack of free kicks is our actual tackle count
37 for a game is putrid
On another note the new head of umpiring McBurney made absolutely no sense when he spoke about the holding the ball rule...
Sort of explained why he jas the job :facepalm
Sonsie not playing on ball is another coaching stuff up - Jack Ross all over again...except it's Thomson Dud keeping him out of the guts instead of Trent Cothin... :banghead
That is wrong, see VFL gamesSonsie not playing on ball is another coaching stuff up - Jack Ross all over again...except it's Thomson Dud keeping him out of the guts instead of Trent Cothin... :banghead
Sonsie is poo. Avoids contests like a young kid avoids homework
AFL umps boss explains big rule change — and how 11 examples will be called moving forward.This is even more confusing than before! If that's possible?
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2024-afl-umpires-boss-stephen-mcburney-explains-how-incidents-will-be-umpired-moving-forward-11-examples-holding-the-ball-crackdown-video-afl-360-latest-news/news-story/dfb7cdfceb2179789c5cb859c8dfbbaa
That is wrong, see VFL gamesSonsie not playing on ball is another coaching stuff up - Jack Ross all over again...except it's Thomson Dud keeping him out of the guts instead of Trent Cothin... :banghead
Sonsie is poo. Avoids contests like a young kid avoids homework
The new HTB interpretation doesn't apply to Collingwood and especially Nick Daicos ::).
Yep and it was also straight after Sanders got pinged for minimal prior. Pies are protected species.The new HTB interpretation doesn't apply to Collingwood and especially Nick Daicos ::).
absolute disgrace
I turned it off after that incident. Im sure there were many after.
Inb4 second half square up... :shhYep
FizzactlyInb4 second half square up... :shhYep
FizzactlyInb4 second half square up... :shhYep
Seriously how can the interpretation of HTB change so drastically in season like it has.
What a shambles the game has become
Seriously how can the interpretation of HTB change so drastically in season like it has.
What a shambles the game has become
stuffen cheats got a pep talk from the umpires boss at halftime. Shocking rang him and made sure of it.
I can’t believe how a game can be umpired in 2 different ways in 2 halves.
The second half was biased against us IMHO
If they got rid of prior opportunity it would clarify the game a lot.
Also when a player is tackled and the ball goes oob then it is a throw in, I don’t understand this rule interpretation as the tackle is what causes the result.
Whatever way you look at it it is all very frustrating.
If they got rid of prior opportunity it would clarify the game a lot.
Also when a player is tackled and the ball goes oob then it is a throw in, I don’t understand this rule interpretation as the tackle is what causes the result.
Whatever way you look at it it is all very frustrating.
Just trying to understand what your saying here as you’ve previously referenced how it used to be interpreted and I was too young to remember that.
Would what your saying advocate the decision against Yeo from yesterday? I’ve gotta say imo that is a disgraceful decision. He’s tackled a player, the ball has come loose in the tackle, he’s then picked it up and been tackled straight away and been pinged holding the ball.
I fear for the game if that’s the direction we’re going in, where players genuinely attempting to play the ball are being penalised. Going to get to a stage where players are huddled around the ball scared to pick it up and instead are waiting for the oppo to do so, so they can then tackle and win holding the ball.
I'm a massive advocate for getting rid of prior opportunity (P.O) and getting rid of the gray of the game.If they got rid of prior opportunity it would clarify the game a lot.
Also when a player is tackled and the ball goes oob then it is a throw in, I don’t understand this rule interpretation as the tackle is what causes the result.
Whatever way you look at it it is all very frustrating.
Just trying to understand what your saying here as you’ve previously referenced how it used to be interpreted and I was too young to remember that.
Would what your saying advocate the decision against Yeo from yesterday? I’ve gotta say imo that is a disgraceful decision. He’s tackled a player, the ball has come loose in the tackle, he’s then picked it up and been tackled straight away and been pinged holding the ball.
I fear for the game if that’s the direction we’re going in, where players genuinely attempting to play the ball are being penalised. Going to get to a stage where players are huddled around the ball scared to pick it up and instead are waiting for the oppo to do so, so they can then tackle and win holding the ball.
'I actually don't like this one ... He [Nick Watson] knew exactly what he was doing' - Nathan Buckley
Should this be play on or did the umpire get it right?
https://x.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1801903878796935612
Yep, it is a blight on the game! Ducking, diving & shrugging up tackles to milk a free was never part of the game. There was never a rule to say that acting deserves a free kick! Hugo & Vlaus were both sure of what happened, so how does the umpire fall for it time after time?'I actually don't like this one ... He [Nick Watson] knew exactly what he was doing' - Nathan Buckley
Should this be play on or did the umpire get it right?
https://x.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1801903878796935612
Little poo got given the silver service from our mates in white.
Thought the AFL was going to stop paying these to protect the head?
Honestly they need to start reviewing footage, fine players for first offence and then just start giving 1 game suspensions.
It's a disgusting blight on the game.
How the stuff can an umpire call a mark to Norf. 2 Scum players run 5m over the mark to tackle him and its play stuffen on!!!!! Complete BS.
have a listen to this stuffin idiot would you."It was a confusing situation and I understand why people are confused and left wanting to understand what happened." - Laura Kane
https://www.afl.com.au/video/1153877/footy-feed-extra-kane-on-50-metre-penalty-call-touched-goal?videoId=1153877&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1718601641001&tagNames=AppNewsFeed:Yes
where was the evidence to overturn Lynch. My god she is hopeless, the worst we have ever had. That is saying a lot becuase the previous cheats were a stuffin disgrace
Do the AFL know how embarrassing they are? Or do they just not care giving they are drowning in $$$$$
The one that got me going last night was Stephen May feigning a dangerous tackle, to cover up the fact that he was caught stone cold holding the ball. There was a slinging action to the tackle, but his head didn't touch the ground until he placed his head down on the ground, then shot up a hand to fake a head knock! Ump paid a dangerous tackle which was a wrong call, but May got up to take his kick & didn't even bother with a trainer. Didn't leave the ground, wasn't checked for a concussion, just faked a free kick at a critical time.
If May has suffered a head knock (which he didn't) can he be forced from the ground by an official to take a concussion test?
It might've been best for May to not cry wolf when he got nailed in a tackle ...
We cant complain about yesterdays umpiring
And I thought it was me being one eyed regarding throws.We cant complain about yesterdays umpiring
Well except for when a virtual smother gets paid as a mark and it turns the game....oh and blatant throws are ignored for the entirety of the game...but apart from that it was all hunky dory.... :shh
And based on last night's game, the rule of this week is a crackdown on the 15m kick.
But the AFL tried to claim a couple of weeks ago they don't instruct the umps to focus on a rule of the week ::).
I don't overly mind the 'rule of the week' thing, at least it shows the AFL are monitoring trends in the game & drawing attention to certain rules.And based on last night's game, the rule of this week is a crackdown on the 15m kick.
But the AFL tried to claim a couple of weeks ago they don't instruct the umps to focus on a rule of the week ::).
Yep noticed it about 20 mins into the 1st qtr.
But by the final qtr they had gone soft on it
My issue with Kane is that I feel like she is gaslighting all of us. Speaks confidently, speaks calmly but she doesn't answer the questions that are put to here properly and tell us what is going on when we are seeing something completely differently. The umpiring and rules are a mess, stop telling us the game is umpired better than ever, stop saying the game is better than ever. The game was better in 2017 with kamikaze fast hard and pressure football, the game was better in the 90s.Great post. Just one point. Netball is not non contact, as my wife's broken nose will attest. 😀
She says she loves to collaborate yet, clubs have said they feel blindsides by the Father/Son points change. Everyone thinks the NGA change is going back to it being a rort. The rules of the game changes week to week. MRO is confusing and forcing the game to change, rather then let it evolve.
She says players adapt, yes they do adapt but when things feel like a dictatorship with force, it's wrong and is not enjoyable ride to go through as a fan. She wants to make the game safe, well I'm sorry, for anyone who has played the game, the game is not and will never be 'safe'. It's scary playing footy at times, but so is skateboarding, skiing, diving, any contact sport. You can mitigate risk and stamp out acts in the sport that are unacceptable but the evolution of the bump and tackle is getting ridiculous. But this is what makes the game great, makes players brave, make courageous moments worth cheering for. Otherwise we turn into Auskick and the sport becomes non contact game of netball via feet.
My issue with Kane is that I feel like she is gaslighting all of us. Speaks confidently, speaks calmly but she doesn't answer the questions that are put to here properly and tell us what is going on when we are seeing something completely differently. The umpiring and rules are a mess, stop telling us the game is umpired better than ever, stop saying the game is better than ever. The game was better in 2017 with kamikaze fast hard and pressure football, the game was better in the 90s.Great post. Just one point. Netball is not non contact, as my wife's broken nose will attest. 😀
She says she loves to collaborate yet, clubs have said they feel blindsides by the Father/Son points change. Everyone thinks the NGA change is going back to it being a rort. The rules of the game changes week to week. MRO is confusing and forcing the game to change, rather then let it evolve.
She says players adapt, yes they do adapt but when things feel like a dictatorship with force, it's wrong and is not enjoyable ride to go through as a fan. She wants to make the game safe, well I'm sorry, for anyone who has played the game, the game is not and will never be 'safe'. It's scary playing footy at times, but so is skateboarding, skiing, diving, any contact sport. You can mitigate risk and stamp out acts in the sport that are unacceptable but the evolution of the bump and tackle is getting ridiculous. But this is what makes the game great, makes players brave, make courageous moments worth cheering for. Otherwise we turn into Auskick and the sport becomes non contact game of netball via feet.
My issue with Kane is that I feel like she is gaslighting all of us. Speaks confidently, speaks calmly but she doesn't answer the questions that are put to here properly and tell us what is going on when we are seeing something completely differently. The umpiring and rules are a mess, stop telling us the game is umpired better than ever, stop saying the game is better than ever. The game was better in 2017 with kamikaze fast hard and pressure football, the game was better in the 90s.
She says she loves to collaborate yet, clubs have said they feel blindsides by the Father/Son points change. Everyone thinks the NGA change is going back to it being a rort. The rules of the game changes week to week. MRO is confusing and forcing the game to change, rather then let it evolve.
She says players adapt, yes they do adapt but when things feel like a dictatorship with force, it's wrong and is not enjoyable ride to go through as a fan. She wants to make the game safe, well I'm sorry, for anyone who has played the game, the game is not and will never be 'safe'. It's scary playing footy at times, but so is skateboarding, skiing, diving, any contact sport. You can mitigate risk and stamp out acts in the sport that are unacceptable but the evolution of the bump and tackle is getting ridiculous. But this is what makes the game great, makes players brave, make courageous moments worth cheering for. Otherwise we turn into Auskick and the sport becomes non contact game of netball via feet.
"The reason we have four umpires is so they can get into position to call this a free kick, not allow blatant pushes in the back. Still not sure why we softened the rule which had encouraged players to fly for the footy instead of play from behind and push" - Jon Ralph
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https://x.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1814628748970631188
Two field umpires was enough and still is... :shh:clapping
Green having his legs taken out by a sliding Bergman = no free :facepalm.and you can bet your bottom dollar it would have been a free if the roles had been reversed
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GS-MoYSbIAQQeCR?format=png&name=small) (https://x.com/PAFC/status/1814804984518578223)
https://x.com/PAFC/status/1814804984518578223
We won the free account 19 to 11 today
We won something I suppose :-\
Noticed stricter decisions of short kicks being called play on by the umpires? So have the clubs.
Clubs are preparing their players for tighter umpiring on the 15-metre kick being called play on after the AAMI Community Series and Opening Round games.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1276757/every-metre-counts-clubs-brace-for-ump-crackdown-on-short-kicks
Banks clearly got a fair handpass away. Yet the dope in blue couldn't see it right in front of him ::).
https://x.com/TigesShowYo/status/1903324089567285381
It wasn't the reason for the loss but dodgy umpiring early in the 3rd quarter gave the Dees two goals and the scoreboard momentum.
Taranto free against that wasn't. Lead to a Melbourne goal.
https://x.com/7AFL/status/1915362164405129608
Followed by Dow being tackled to the ground without the ball (just before this clip starts). No free and another Melbourne goal.
https://x.com/AFL/status/1915365442866077775
The free to Taranto just before half-time was also dodgy.
The standard of umpiring is in crisis while the AFL is in denial because they are to blame. Nathan Williamson the main culprit last night but they were all terrible.
I don’t know what you’re talking about, the game has never been umpired better. The four umpire system is working well, there’s no inconsistency at all. The research conducted by the umpires department has concluded that the umpires are exceeding expectations100%
that Kane has made the game worse than it has ever been. Seriously how bad is she? She certainly did get the gig because she is female, because there is no way on this planet she is the best there was.
Lots of rules need a fix up or shake up.You left out legal tackles that get you a free kick but also three weeks suspension.
Stand.
Deliberate out of bounds.
Rushed behind.
HTB.
Players deliberately drawing high contact for frees.
Lots of rules need a fix up or shake up.You left out legal tackles that get you a free kick but also three weeks suspension.
Stand.
Deliberate out of bounds.
Rushed behind.
HTB.
Players deliberately drawing high contact for frees.
Lots of rules need a fix up or shake up.You left out legal tackles that get you a free kick but also three weeks suspension.
Stand.
Deliberate out of bounds.
Rushed behind.
HTB.
Players deliberately drawing high contact for frees.
Players winning ground contests going hard at the footy, only to have it taken off them, despite not going hard at the opposition players legs
https://x.com/7AFL/status/1917911264090587641
Ump tonight:
"Free kick!"
[Essendon players protest]
"Okay I'm going to ball it up .... I just got word .... I just got word"
So it was going to be a free kick if one of the teams had kicked the ball away, but it turned into a ball-up when they were told it was the other team who did it :huh3. They're just making the rules up as they go :lol.
The AFL has the umps so confused now yet they are in denial that the state of umpiring is in crisis.
What did you make of that decision from the umpire? (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f914.svg)
Giving James Sicily a 50m penalty after Tim Taranto ran in, retaliating to a shove the Hawthorn captain made on Tigers teammate Maurice Rioli Jr. #AFL
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https://x.com/abcsport/status/1918918677795070298