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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on December 09, 2020, 10:19:31 PM
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Welcome to Tigerland :).
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Spare ruck given Soldo will miss most of 2021.
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A spare ruck given we have nank soldo Chol and Miller. And given we often play a short ruckman like Grigg.
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As long as it wasn’t FJ’s choice, I’m happy.
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A spare ruck given we have nank soldo Chol and Miller. And given we often play a short ruckman like Grigg.
Yeah doubt he'd be playing senior footy next year unless all those blokes went down at the same time ...could well be the next NicNat.... but right now it seems a bit of a baffling choice to me... :huh
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I think the club has future in mind.Nank struggles to play 22 games, Soldo unknown after his injury, Chol make or breake in 2021,CCJ we don't know yet if he can play the ruck role and Colina project.
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Ryan is 206cm & 96kg.
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Some QAFL game he apparently dominated (#56 Magpies):
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/welcome-to-richmond-pick-40-samson-ryan.1252421/post-68236502
:shh
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Lions Academy graduate Samson Ryan lands at Tigerland
By Richmond Media - 9 hrs ago
Richmond has used its first selection (No. 40 overall) in the 2020 national draft to recruit Brisbane Lions Academy graduate Samson Ryan.
Earlier in the evening Richmond traded their first round selection (No. 20 overall) for Geelong's future 2021 first round pick.
Recruited from: Sherwood, Queensland / Lions Academy
Position: Ruck
Height: 206cm
Weight: 96kg
DOB: 09/12/00
What the Richmond recruiters say about Ryan
Samson is a 19-year-old ruck prospect that is a genuine AFL ruck size at 206cm.
A graduate of the Brisbane Lions Academy, Samson was due to play NEAFL football this season before its cancellation.
Instead he plied his trade for Sherwood in the QAFL, not just holding his own but often comprehensively beating stronger and more experienced ruckmen.
Samson demonstrates real creativity with his tap work, utilising all 360 degrees to give great service to his teammates.
Furthermore, Samson has natural touch by foot, follows up at ground level and can impact in the air, dropping back to intercept or providing a target down the line and up forward.
While his focus will be putting on size and strength to compete regularly at AFL level, Samson has the tools to forge a successful career in the yellow and black.
(https://resources.richmondfc.com.au/photo-resources/2020/12/09/62036989-9f53-4360-9d47-468cf73aff68/1_NABBTrVCAl19DB0098.JPG?width=1064&height=600)
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/842266/lions-academy-graduate-samson-ryan-lands-at-tigerland
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As long as it wasn’t FJ’s choice, I’m happy.
:lol
“Betamax” liked his highlights package. :rollin
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As long as it wasn’t FJ’s choice, I’m happy.
As long as it wasn’t FJ’s choice, I’m happy.
:lol
“Betamax” liked his highlights package. :rollin
Not happy with all of FJ's chocie over the years I assume
So not happy with
Lambert
McIntosh
Rance
Grimes
Martin
Cotchin
Baker
Riewoldt
Edwards
Castagna
Bolton
Broad
to name but 12
Or don't they count?
Yes there are misses
But a lot of hits....too
Bolton.... is a FJ massive hit don't you think? :shh
My point before the whacks and attacks come is:
Not disputing the misses but when I look at the blokes who have run out and won us 3 flags in 4 years most of them were recruited under FJ's watch.
We can't sit here and bash him and him alone for the misses and not give him any credit for the ones that have worked out in spades.
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Agree WP. Good post.
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As long as it wasn’t FJ’s choice, I’m happy.
As long as it wasn’t FJ’s choice, I’m happy.
:lol
“Betamax” liked his highlights package. :rollin
Not happy with all of FJ's chocie over the years I assume
So not happy with
Lambert
McIntosh
Rance
Grimes
Martin
Cotchin
Baker
Riewoldt
Edwards
Castagna
Bolton
Broad
to name but 12
Or don't they count?
Yes there are misses
But a lot of hits....too
Bolton.... is a FJ massive hit don't you think? :shh
My point before the whacks and attacks come is:
Not disputing the misses but when I look at the blokes who have run out and won us 3 flags in 4 years most of them were recruited under FJ's watch.
We can't sit here and bash him and him alone for the misses and not give him any credit for the ones that have worked out in spades.
:ROTFL
So we are a great team now and ol’ “betamax” Jackson is some sort of recruiting genius? :rollin
Does anyone else think that maybe the old fella needed help and he actually got some people that know what we should be looking for in relation to our team dynamics?
He obviously must have had some limited idea but I think we all know that he was useless and early days he and our club had no idea with no means of development even if we did.
But you can think he’s the greatest recruiter of all time if you want but I choose to look at all the obvious misses everytime I watch those players dominate in some other team colours. :rollin
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So we are a great team now and ol’ “betamax” Jackson is some sort of recruiting genius? :rollin
Does anyone else think that maybe the old fella needed help and he actually got some people that know what we should be looking for in relation to our team dynamics?
He obviously must have had some limited idea but I think we all know that he was useless and early days he and our club had no idea with no means of development even if we did.
But you can think he’s greatest recruiter of all time if you want but I choose to look at all the obvious misses everytime I watch those players dominate in some other team colours. :rollin
Thanks for proving my point because clearly your view is the hits are the result of everyone else's work and any miss is the fault of one person - seems you want hedge your bets..
Never once did I say "greatest recruiter of all time" but the facts remain that he was involved in the recruitment of players that have won us 3 flags
I know we are going over old ground...
But there are 5 players on the list of 12 that were recruited when the Club had limited resources in recruiting. Those 5 players will go down in history as absolute champions of the RFC... you are saying FJ should take no credit or get any kudos for that but should take all the blame for JONs, Menadues etc
Yes he and the entire recruiting dept in its many forms (under resourced and fully resourced) deserve whacks for what they got wrong but he should get the kudos as well
Forget the 5 just look at Bolton, he was a FJ project, a player he followed and watched from U-16s and I reckon he should get the praise for that one because as 2020 proved we have future star in Bolton... but I also know that doesn't suit your narrative so I'll leave it there
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I think FJ is one of the greatest recruiters of all time - he built a list at a time when 2 new teams came into the competition with free agency also introduced and it was freely admitted at the time it was the worst times to bottom out.
I wasn’t a fan of his 10 years ago but the facts are the facts.
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I think FJ is one of the greatest recruiters of all time - he built a list at a time when 2 new teams came into the competition with free agency also introduced and it was freely admitted at the time it was the worst times to bottom out.
I wasn’t a fan of his 10 years ago but the facts are the facts.
Way too many 1st round misses for me to declare him one of the best.
1. R Conca
2. B Lennon
3. C Ellis
4. T Vickery
5. JON
6. Even RCD has a massive question mark.
He used to fall in luv with a player and then get blinkers on.
His rookie list drafting has been fantastic and no doubt since Clarke and Hartley came in things have improved a lot. But you can't miss that many 1st rounders considering the quality of players taken immediately after and be successful.
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As long as it wasn’t FJ’s choice, I’m happy.
As long as it wasn’t FJ’s choice, I’m happy.
:lol
“Betamax” liked his highlights package. :rollin
Not happy with all of FJ's chocie over the years I assume
So not happy with
Lambert
McIntosh
Rance
Grimes
Martin
Cotchin
Baker
Riewoldt
Edwards
Castagna
Bolton
Broad
to name but 12
Or don't they count?
Yes there are misses
But a lot of hits....too
Bolton.... is a FJ massive hit don't you think? :shh
My point before the whacks and attacks come is:
Not disputing the misses but when I look at the blokes who have run out and won us 3 flags in 4 years most of them were recruited under FJ's watch.
We can't sit here and bash him and him alone for the misses and not give him any credit for the ones that have worked out in spades.
Lol at the perspective that people portray.
Jacksons haul up to 2016 when he was demoted is underwhelming. Fmd 11 12 yrs in charge that is depending on if the apologists reute he was responsible for 2005 how many late and rookie picks did we manage in his time in charge.
Tiger supporters love rewriting history especially when it comes to one of their own.
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A spare ruck given we have nank soldo Chol and Miller. And given we often play a short ruckman like Grigg.
Yeah doubt he'd be playing senior footy next year unless all those blokes went down at the same time ...could well be the next NicNat.... but right now it seems a bit of a baffling choice to me... :huh
We dont see eye to eye too often but i agree with this.
As a ruckman this kid looks a decent prospect but why another ruckman.
Dont believe in trading out of first rounds thats a return to the bad old days. Have to say Geelong looked over the moon with the kid they got with 20 and there was still some real good kids there that i liked.
One of those kids was still there at 40 and went the pick after we took Ryan. Time will now tell if we got both decisions right im inclined to think not.
People say there was little known about a lot of the boys in the draft and it was shallow but that doesnt mean there was no talent in the draft th ere was plenty and we opted out.
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I think FJ needed assistance of Blair and Balmey etc to give a balanced view
He doesn’t make the decisions on his own and when he did , had too much of a focus on the same type of player
No one should Doubt FJ,s passion for the Tigers or that Richmond is better at recruiting in the last few years since it has invested in recruitment
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If we can turn Soldo into a premiership ruck, I'm looking forward to seeing what they can do with Samson
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When you look at it Francis Jackson delievered 80% of our premiership list he sure did have a few busts , but hey what recruiter doesn't.
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I openly can’t stand FJ, but realistically he hasn’t been in charge for about 5 years- right about the time when we starting coming good.
Cotch and Dusty picked themselves at picks 2 and 3.... hard to argue with that even with hindsight....
Getting a few picks here and there right gets you some good players, and even some star players, we have always had “some” good players, but to win premierships you need to put together a list of very good players all pushing each other- like we have now and didn’t when FJ was in charge.
Every club has star players, it’s who you put them with that wins premierships.
Old Blair Hartley used to get a fair bashing on here from some, but not so much anymore.
I would say he has done an amazing job keeping the players we wanted to keep, together...
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Just on Samson Ryan, looks a good kid.
Very athletic and doesn’t seem to be a lumbering type of ruckman
A very nice kick style too.
Anyone see a bit of Brodie Grundy in him?
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Yes there are misses
But a lot of hits....too
We can't sit here and bash him and him alone for the misses and not give him any credit for the ones that have worked out in spades.
What a perfect example of double-talk.
You say to judge him on all but only list the wins. Nice.
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I openly can’t stand FJ, but realistically he hasn’t been in charge for about 5 years- right about the time when we starting coming good.
Cotch and Dusty picked themselves at picks 2 and 3.... hard to argue with that even with hindsight....
Getting a few picks here and there right gets you some good players, and even some star players, we have always had “some” good players, but to win premierships you need to put together a list of very good players all pushing each other- like we have now and didn’t when FJ was in charge.
Every club has star players, it’s who you put them with that wins premierships.
Old Blair Hartley used to get a fair bashing on here from some, but not so much anymore.
I would say he has done an amazing job keeping the players we wanted to keep, together...
Great post BT :thumbsup
I do think, we can all agree, he is better than the recruiter at Melbourne. :rollin
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What a perfect example of double-talk.
You say to judge him on all but only list the wins. Nice.
You missed my point. Nice
No double talk.
So I will try and make it again and hopefully it is clear for you.
I listed hits ONLY because when the majority talk about FJ they bang on about misses ONLY and point their collective fingers of blame for said misses ONLY at FJ not any other person in recruiting.
But at the same time the same folks when they speak of the hits heap praise on every person in recruiting except FJ.
So based on the very common rating system of many posters I've highlighted above a doube standard rather than double talk, applies. Hits are graded as "brilliant" and a collective recruiting team effort minus one and misses are the fault of just one person.
So my point was and remains if you are going to grade people on performance you grade their entire performance which means hits and misses not just misses.
That's why I listed hits only to a try and make that point. Because it is clear it is easier to bash a bloke and refuse to give him any credit for anything. But facts are not all his selections are misses, many have proven to be hits.
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I listed hits ONLY because when the majority talk about FJ they bang on about misses ONLY and point their collective fingers of blame for said misses ONLY at FJ not any other person in recruiting.
But at the same time the same folks when they speak of the hits heap praise on every person in recruiting except FJ.
Okay.
I accept your "team effort" to a degree but the point has to be made that the Lead Recruiter, Jackson, is most responsible for the choices at the top of the drat list.
When Luke Williams came to us in 2014 I think he was very responsible for the LOWER picks ie the Rookies.
2014 Senior C Ellis, Menadue, Drummond, Butler, McKenzie. Rookie Short, Castagna, Lambert, Arnot, Soldo.
If you say that Jackson has no responsibility for 2005 as a part-timer, when we took JON, Hughes, Casserly, White, GRaham, Humm and Howatt then he is MAINLY (as the head recruiter) for the picks from 2006 to 2016 when Clarke took over. https://www.afl.com.au/news/148183/who-makes-the-calls-on-your-clubs-recruits from 2017.
Note in that story that Jackson was working on "Future picks" and that we had 10 part-time scouts.
I have a Jackson interview from years ago where he said he did not like a lot of scouts because they caused confusion with too many opinions.
2006 - Riewoldt, Edwards then 6 fails. Note we got Jack after trading down to get Polak. A huge gamble we lucked out on.
2007 - Cotchin, Rance then 8 fails. As said before Cotchin was a gimme and Rance was AA.
2008 - Nothing. Headed by Vickery, Post and Hislop.
2009 - Martin, Astbury and Grimes then 10 fails including rookied Polak. Martin was a gimme and the other 2 have become great after a long time of criticism.
2010 - Houli as PSD and Grigg as a trade and 9 fails headed by Conca.
2011 - Nothing but Maric and Morris as trades.
2012 - Vlastuin and McIntosh as first picks then 9 fails led by an Edwards trade.
2013 - Nothing headed by Lennon at pick 12.
2014 - Little headed by B Ellis but as said we got Short, Castagna, Lambert and Soldo in the Rookie
2015 - Rioli, Broad and Chol with Markov the best of 5 fails.
2016 - Huge gains of Bolton, Graham, Garthwaite, Prestia, Caddy and Nankervis with only Stengle as a fail.
Under Clarke:
2017 - Only Higgins so far and that was not due to form but circumstances. CCJ, Balta, Naish, Miller and Baker all look long term.
2018 - Turner, English, Townsend and Weller out but the rest look good led by RCD and Ross and the traded Lynch.
Bolded are your 12 but note Baker was in 2017 when Jackson was in Future picks.
Thats a pretty full account with both wins AND fails.
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Why is this even a thing when we got 3 friggen flags right now and looking sweet for the foreseeable? It could of been four if not for a little wobble in the dice. Screw all that noise, bask in the sun while we have it, we know it will go to poo eventually, but bloody hell...
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Have many clubs done better than us with their drafting?
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I listed hits ONLY because when the majority talk about FJ they bang on about misses ONLY and point their collective fingers of blame for said misses ONLY at FJ not any other person in recruiting.
But at the same time the same folks when they speak of the hits heap praise on every person in recruiting except FJ.
Okay.
I accept your "team effort" to a degree but the point has to be made that the Lead Recruiter, Jackson, is most responsible for the choices at the top of the drat list.
When Luke Williams came to us in 2014 I think he was very responsible for the LOWER picks ie the Rookies.
2014 Senior C Ellis, Menadue, Drummond, Butler, McKenzie. Rookie Short, Castagna, Lambert, Arnot, Soldo.
If you say that Jackson has no responsibility for 2005 as a part-timer, when we took JON, Hughes, Casserly, White, GRaham, Humm and Howatt then he is MAINLY (as the head recruiter) for the picks from 2006 to 2016 when Clarke took over. https://www.afl.com.au/news/148183/who-makes-the-calls-on-your-clubs-recruits from 2017.
Note in that story that Jackson was working on "Future picks" and that we had 10 part-time scouts.
I have a Jackson interview from years ago where he said he did not like a lot of scouts because they caused confusion with too many opinions.
2006 - Riewoldt, Edwards then 6 fails. Note we got Jack after trading down to get Polak. A huge gamble we lucked out on.
2007 - Cotchin, Rance then 8 fails. As said before Cotchin was a gimme and Rance was AA.
2008 - Nothing. Headed by Vickery, Post and Hislop.
2009 - Martin, Astbury and Grimes then 10 fails including rookied Polak. Martin was a gimme and the other 2 have become great after a long time of criticism.
2010 - Houli as PSD and Grigg as a trade and 9 fails headed by Conca.
2011 - Nothing but Maric and Morris as trades.
2012 - Vlastuin and McIntosh as first picks then 9 fails led by an Edwards trade.
2013 - Nothing headed by Lennon at pick 12.
2014 - Little headed by B Ellis but as said we got Short, Castagna, Lambert and Soldo in the Rookie
2015 - Rioli, Broad and Chol with Markov the best of 5 fails.
2016 - Huge gains of Bolton, Graham, Garthwaite, Prestia, Caddy and Nankervis with only Stengle as a fail.
Under Clarke:
2017 - Only Higgins so far and that was not due to form but circumstances. CCJ, Balta, Naish, Miller and Baker all look long term.
2018 - Turner, English, Townsend and Weller out but the rest look good led by RCD and Ross and the traded Lynch.
Bolded are your 12 but note Baker was in 2017 when Jackson was in Future picks.
Thats a pretty full account with both wins AND fails.
Excellent summation RT.
I would only of added some of the glaring misses (in hindsight) but it only highlights his lack of awareness of what’s required for a quality pick - Missing big bodied quality midfielders like Fyfe for Angus Graham and thinking Lennon was a better prospect than Cripps only highlights how clueless he is (and other recruiters having overlooking them doesn’t justify him missing them either because they either didn’t need midfielders or they are just as clueless as he is)
But Let’s all applaud him for getting a handful of top 10 picks correct :rollin
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Have many clubs done better than us with their drafting?
Finally a good question
To properly judge FJ one would need to compare him to other club recruiters and their record in selecting capable players v duds and the resources those recruiters had to do their job.
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Collingwood apparently
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Heppel and Cripps were bad misses. Fyfe I still say that blindsided everyone. He was drafted as a 2nd/3rd tall forward from memory? No one knew he would become an on ball machine!
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Why are they bad misses for Richmond and no other club?
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Why are they bad misses for Richmond and no other club?
Ridiculous isn't it
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Every recruiter has hit misses in every sport we're talking to , but no one can deny Jackson build 80% of this list.
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Every single club has both hits and misses but fact of the matter is our recruiters have built a team that has one 3 out of the last 4 premierships with hopefully more to come. That’s puts us at the equal third most of any club in the AFL era so I think we are doing pretty well especially considering they introduced the suns and giants while we were still towards the bottom of the ladder which pushed our top end picks further down.
Also can anyone tell me how we would manage to retain our players if we had picked the best available player with all our picks? How do you fit in Cripps, Fyfe, etc into a salary cap that already includes dusty, jack, lynch, cotch and previously rance?
Whether people want to believe it or not every decision made right or wrong over the past decade has led us to where we are now.
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Any thoughts on Samson Ryan...anyone?
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Any thoughts on Samson Ryan...anyone?
Sounds good to me.
Big, 2 years or so older than the younger kids, academy player at Brisbane, absolute mad tiger supporter.
Should be slightly ahead of the pack and his footage looks quite good.
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Any thoughts on Samson Ryan...anyone?
Hard to know without all the other details.
IF ... the injury to Nankervis is a badly degenerative one (which it sometimes can be) then that's a triple winning ruck out.
IF ... the injury to Soldo is more serious or degenerative that we know that's another premiership ruck out.
IF ... the fallout from CCJ's kebab run has meant Adelaide has their hooks into him to go home, then he's out after next year.
IF ... there is no change in Chol's attitude/effort and his non-competitive ruck work continues.
THEN ... Ryan is not only just a shrewd choice but inevitable.
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It's still a lot of rucks if you include Miller too. Especially for a smaller list. I think they are saying Miller is a back, Chol a forward and soldo injured.
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Presumably we wanted someone who was Soldo's size to replace him for 2021. Most of the others are shorter ruck options. Colina is a beanpole but he won't play seniors next year. CCJ is next tallest at 204cm. The rest are <=200cm.
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CCJ is 200 isn't he?
Still a project ruck along with Colina and Ryan.
Hope CCJ is decent. Poor Nank going to have a tough 2021.
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Why are they bad misses for Richmond and no other club?
Ridiculous isn't it
Bad misses for everyone including us! Don’t get me wrong, I’m happy we won 3 out of 4. It’s just fun to sit back and reminisce about what “could have been” with trades and drafts. Because on the flip side I think it’s awesome we snagged Riewoldt in 06 and other than Selwood I’d argue everyone taken before him had been below par.
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Because on the flip side I think it’s awesome we snagged Riewoldt in 06 and other than Selwood I’d argue everyone taken before him had been below par.
The thing about the Riewoldt choice is that there were seen to be a lot of key position players at the top of that draft.
2 - Gumbleton 197
3 - Hansen 197
4 - Leunberger 203 Ruck
6 - Thorp 194
8 - Reid 196
10 - Nathan Brown 194
11 - Everitt 193
12 - Frawley 193
13 - Jack 192
14 - Sellar 195
16 - Mitch Brown 193
17 - Hampson 201 ruck
This leads me to think that the reasoning may have been that at least one of a really level group of keys would still be available at 13, giving up 8 for Polak.
Ironic that most of those talls would be busts while the smalls in Gibbs (1), Boak (5), Selwood (7), Armitage (9) and O'Keefe (15) were better long term.
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We thought at the time that Jack would still be available at 13 and that we'd get a ready made tall in Polak. It was a huge risk especially in hindsight but that was the reasoning. Jack had puffy fat as a 17-18 year old and their were concerns about his agility and if he would be just a mark & kick forward at AFL level. This was the era when athletes were all the rage. Coming from div 2 state in Tassie would've pushed Jack down the order compared to the other talls rated at the time ahead of him.
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Get to know Samson Ryan
Video from RFC site
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/845399/get-to-know-samson-ryan?videoId=845399&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1608318000001
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This boy looks to have some good athletic ability. I hope we add Mansell, Couroupis and Green to the list too.
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We thought at the time that Jack would still be available at 13 and that we'd get a ready made tall in Polak. It was a huge risk especially in hindsight but that was the reasoning. Jack had puffy fat as a 17-18 year old and their were concerns about his agility and if he would be just a mark & kick forward at AFL level. This was the era when athletes were all the rage. Coming from div 2 state in Tassie would've pushed Jack down the order compared to the other talls rated at the time ahead of him.
We knew there was a very good chance that one of the many talls 11 in the top 16 being spoken about would get to our pick a little bit different to us thinking JR would be there. We were taking the best one that was left weather that was JR Reid Frawley N Brown etc.
The two Tassie boys were highly rated Thorpe and Riewoldt.Yep JR had a few knocks on his agility but his footy smarts even back then was greatly talked about and many had him in the top 10.
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I was at the draft night that discussed the Riewoldt draft. The thing I took away from the discussion was that it was a pick between Jack or Reid and the club thought that Collingwood with two picks would take one of them at 10, leaving the other for us. They talked up Jack as the main target.
Collingwood took Reid at 8 so I was nervous that they were then going to take Jack at 10. But they went with Nathan Brown.
Bulldogs took Everitt and Melbourne took Frawley.
It was the first time I took a real interest in the draft. The draft night thing was a great chance to see how the club was thinking. Would go to one again if the club ran one.
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I was at the draft night that discussed the Riewoldt draft. The thing I took away from the discussion was that it was a pick between Jack or Reid and the club thought that Collingwood with two picks would take one of them at 10, leaving the other for us. They talked up Jack as the main target.
Collingwood took Reid at 8 so I was nervous that they were then going to take Jack at 10. But they went with Nathan Brown.
Bulldogs took Everitt and Melbourne took Frawley.
It was the first time I took a real interest in the draft. The draft night thing was a great chance to see how the club was thinking. Would go to one again if the club ran one.
Was there with you Gracie. The key thing for me was Shed and how they knew what he would fill out to. And the metrics they were starting to collect. Hayden who had built the spreadsheet we were shown and was building the database for recruiting is still at the club. That is huge IP. My understanding is that he is one of the longest serving IT guys running the recruiting data at any club. That is a huge advantage.
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I was at the draft night that discussed the Riewoldt draft. The thing I took away from the discussion was that it was a pick between Jack or Reid and the club thought that Collingwood with two picks would take one of them at 10, leaving the other for us. They talked up Jack as the main target.
Collingwood took Reid at 8 so I was nervous that they were then going to take Jack at 10. But they went with Nathan Brown.
Bulldogs took Everitt and Melbourne took Frawley.
It was the first time I took a real interest in the draft. The draft night thing was a great chance to see how the club was thinking. Would go to one again if the club ran one.
Was there with you Gracie. The key thing for me was Shed and how they knew what he would fill out to. And the metrics they were starting to collect. Hayden who had built the spreadsheet we were shown and was building the database for recruiting is still at the club. That is huge IP. My understanding is that he is one of the longest serving IT guys running the recruiting data at any club. That is a huge advantage.
Been a while between drinks HKT
A few in that draft played for us. Grigg Hampson
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A few in that draft played for us. Grigg Hampson
Houli too along with Jack & Sheds.
From my biased top 10 redone 2006 draft, we've scored three.
1. Selwood
2. J.Riewoldt
3. J.Kennedy (Swans)
4. Hawkins
5. Edwards
6. R.Gray
7. Boak
8. Goldstein
9. Frawley
10. Houli
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_AFL_draft#2006_national_draft
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Yes, sheds at pick 26 should have been a top 10 in hindsight. Still does not get the accolades he deserves
Funny haven’t heard the carry on about Tambling for years now
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A few in that draft played for us. Grigg Hampson
Houli too along with Jack & Sheds.
From my biased top 10 redone 2006 draft, we've scored three.
1. Selwood
2. J.Riewoldt
3. J.Kennedy (Swans)
4. Hawkins
5. Edwards
6. R.Gray
7. Boak
8. Goldstein
9. Frawley
10. Houli
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_AFL_draft#2006_national_draft
So guessing Grigg gets into the top 3 ruckman from that draft :snidegrin
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Hardwick has been "blown away" by the 207cm Ryan's development already, with the Queenslander among a troupe of young Tigers ready to step up.
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/552420/yellow-and-black-sabbath-the-chopped-off-finger-showing-dimma-the-way).
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Wouldn't surprise me this kid overtakes Chol and CCJ this year.
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from 05 to 2015 the last yr Jackson was in fully in charge, and yes regardless of what the apologists say, Jackson was very much in charge of the 05 draft it was publicly stated stated he was taken on full time on the back of that draft lol.They were indeed happy with themselves.
It was also stated he and Miller had two partimers at the club one bloke from north and they had 6 recruiters scattered about the place this has been stated by the club in articles.
Hindsight is wonderful isn't it. that draft is a bust and Jackson takes no responsibility.
At the end of the day from 05 to 15 we had 44 nd picks in total .Yes we had some success with early picks, fmd we had enough of em.
In those 11 drafts Jacksons time in charge imo, we managed to find just 6 players after pick 30. They were Astbury 35, McIntosh 33, Butler 67
Lloyd 66 and Broad 67 the last two being mature pickups so in fact we found just three young players in the nd after pick 30 in those 11 seasons
and peple defend this they must thinking people are morons.
In 11 seasons we used just 8 psd picks just 4 were youngsters White, Gourdis Grimes and O'Hanlon.I would argue only Grimes is a find given Psd players are taken after extra time.
Not a lot there imo very poor indeed . But it gets worse imo. we had 43 rookie picks in those 11 seasons. While its arguable the only players we found who had not already been in the afl sysyem were. King a mature recruit, Nahas mature recruit , Short, Castagna, Lambert mature recruit and Soldo.
Lets just be plain honest. lets at least acknowledge the numbers and they scream out mediocrity.
Yes it is to be expected that clubs will get their fair share of higher picks right,and Jackson has, it is acknowledged by most though that the good recruiters have a good hit ratio with lower and rookie picks.
Just when you thought it was bad and could not get any worse take a look at the mature recruits we bought to the club thru trade f/a nd rookie picks etc in Jacksons 11 yr tenure.
In fairness i dont blame Jackson for the majority of mature players we have bought to the club but as head of recruitment he must have had a fair say about each player heres the list.
Kingsley, Morton, Cartledge, Howat, Knobel, P Bowden, Humm, King,Hislop, Thompson, Cousins, Farmer, Polak, Derickx, Grigg, Miller, Nahas, Houli,A Maric, I Maric, Morris, Chaplin, Knights, Edwards, Petterd, Lonergan, Stephenson, Lloyd, Hampson, Banfield, Thomas, Miles, Hunt, Lambert, Arnot, Yarran, A Moore, Townsend, Broad,
Thats 39 mature recruits and you would be lucky to find 10 good players or 10 who made a decent contribution .
People say fj is mostlyresponsible for the players who played in the premierships but that by itself is an amazingly blinkerd and skewed way to look at it no wonder it took 13 yrs to achieve anything.
Ah well i suppose im wasting my time tiger supporters are among the leaders in the comp when it comes to revisionism.
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from 05 to 2015 the last yr Jackson was in fully in charge, and yes regardless of what the apologists say, Jackson was very much in charge of the 05 draft it was publicly stated stated he was taken on full time on the back of that draft lol.They were indeed happy with themselves.
It was also stated he and Miller had two partimers at the club one bloke from north and they had 6 recruiters scattered about the place this has been stated by the club in articles.
Hindsight is wonderful isn't it. that draft is a bust and Jackson takes no responsibility.
At the end of the day from 05 to 15 we had 44 nd picks in total .Yes we had some success with early picks, fmd we had enough of em.
In those 11 drafts Jacksons time in charge imo, we managed to find just 6 players after pick 30. They were Astbury 35, McIntosh 33, Butler 67
Lloyd 66 and Broad 67 the last two being mature pickups so in fact we found just three young players in the nd after pick 30 in those 11 seasons
and peple defend this they must thinking people are morons.
In 11 seasons we used just 8 psd picks just 4 were youngsters White, Gourdis Grimes and O'Hanlon.I would argue only Grimes is a find given Psd players are taken after extra time.
Not a lot there imo very poor indeed . But it gets worse imo. we had 43 rookie picks in those 11 seasons. While its arguable the only players we found who had not already been in the afl sysyem were. King a mature recruit, Nahas mature recruit , Short, Castagna, Lambert mature recruit and Soldo.
Lets just be plain honest. lets at least acknowledge the numbers and they scream out mediocrity.
Yes it is to be expected that clubs will get their fair share of higher picks right,and Jackson has, it is acknowledged by most though that the good recruiters have a good hit ratio with lower and rookie picks.
Just when you thought it was bad and could not get any worse take a look at the mature recruits we bought to the club thru trade f/a nd rookie picks etc in Jacksons 11 yr tenure.
In fairness i dont blame Jackson for the majority of mature players we have bought to the club but as head of recruitment he must have had a fair say about each player heres the list.
Kingsley, Morton, Cartledge, Howat, Knobel, P Bowden, Humm, King,Hislop, Thompson, Cousins, Farmer, Polak, Derickx, Grigg, Miller, Nahas, Houli,A Maric, I Maric, Morris, Chaplin, Knights, Edwards, Petterd, Lonergan, Stephenson, Lloyd, Hampson, Banfield, Thomas, Miles, Hunt, Lambert, Arnot, Yarran, A Moore, Townsend, Broad,
Thats 39 mature recruits and you would be lucky to find 10 good players or 10 who made a decent contribution .
People say fj is mostlyresponsible for the players who played in the premierships but that by itself is an amazingly blinkerd and skewed way to look at it no wonder it took 13 yrs to achieve anything.
Ah well i suppose im wasting my time tiger supporters are among the leaders in the comp when it comes to revisionism.
At the end of the day all recruitment teams have busts.The problem is tho you fail to acknowledge that he recruited 80% of this side that won 3 flags the facts don't lie.3 flags in 13 years is excellent.
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Winning premierships papers over cracks - the claw
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Winning premierships papers over cracks - the claw
Looks like Melbourne finally went passed us today....:shh
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from 05 to 2015 the last yr Jackson was in fully in charge, and yes regardless of what the apologists say, Jackson was very much in charge of the 05 draft it was publicly stated stated he was taken on full time on the back of that draft lol.They were indeed happy with themselves.
It was also stated he and Miller had two partimers at the club one bloke from north and they had 6 recruiters scattered about the place this has been stated by the club in articles.
Hindsight is wonderful isn't it. that draft is a bust and Jackson takes no responsibility.
At the end of the day from 05 to 15 we had 44 nd picks in total .Yes we had some success with early picks, fmd we had enough of em.
In those 11 drafts Jacksons time in charge imo, we managed to find just 6 players after pick 30. They were Astbury 35, McIntosh 33, Butler 67
Lloyd 66 and Broad 67 the last two being mature pickups so in fact we found just three young players in the nd after pick 30 in those 11 seasons
and peple defend this they must thinking people are morons.
In 11 seasons we used just 8 psd picks just 4 were youngsters White, Gourdis Grimes and O'Hanlon.I would argue only Grimes is a find given Psd players are taken after extra time.
Not a lot there imo very poor indeed . But it gets worse imo. we had 43 rookie picks in those 11 seasons. While its arguable the only players we found who had not already been in the afl sysyem were. King a mature recruit, Nahas mature recruit , Short, Castagna, Lambert mature recruit and Soldo.
Lets just be plain honest. lets at least acknowledge the numbers and they scream out mediocrity.
Yes it is to be expected that clubs will get their fair share of higher picks right,and Jackson has, it is acknowledged by most though that the good recruiters have a good hit ratio with lower and rookie picks.
Just when you thought it was bad and could not get any worse take a look at the mature recruits we bought to the club thru trade f/a nd rookie picks etc in Jacksons 11 yr tenure.
In fairness i dont blame Jackson for the majority of mature players we have bought to the club but as head of recruitment he must have had a fair say about each player heres the list.
Kingsley, Morton, Cartledge, Howat, Knobel, P Bowden, Humm, King,Hislop, Thompson, Cousins, Farmer, Polak, Derickx, Grigg, Miller, Nahas, Houli,A Maric, I Maric, Morris, Chaplin, Knights, Edwards, Petterd, Lonergan, Stephenson, Lloyd, Hampson, Banfield, Thomas, Miles, Hunt, Lambert, Arnot, Yarran, A Moore, Townsend, Broad,
Thats 39 mature recruits and you would be lucky to find 10 good players or 10 who made a decent contribution .
People say fj is mostly responsible for the players who played in the premierships but that by itself is an amazingly blinkerd and skewed way to look at it no wonder it took 13 yrs to achieve anything.
Ah well i suppose im wasting my time tiger supporters are among the leaders in the comp when it comes to revisionism.
At the end of the day all recruitment teams have busts. The problem is tho you fail to acknowledge that he recruited 80% of this side that won 3 flags the facts don't lie.3 flags in 13 years is excellent.
LMFAO.
We didnt win a flag in the 11 yrs jackson was in charge. In fact we didnt even win a final. lol.
Of course all recruiting teams have busts just not the volume that Jackson had. How do you rate Jackson after pick 30 in the nd or his numerous rookie picks.
In anyones language yes even most one eyed blinkered feral supporters say his record in this is lousy.Yet here you are defending him says a lot i suppose.
As usual you totally miss the point. Of course i acknowledge he had a hand in recruiting a large percentage of our premiership players
But the real real point is we got there eventually despite the best or in this case mainly worse efforts of Jackson.Should he have been in charge for so long with such returns. Well unless people around here are jumping ship like rats of the proverbial sinking ship then the vast majority agreed.
As one astute poster big tone said, any one with half a brain will pick up the odd good player here or there its only ferals who are arguing that point or fail to acknowledge that point.
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from 05 to 2015 the last yr Jackson was in fully in charge, and yes regardless of what the apologists say, Jackson was very much in charge of the 05 draft it was publicly stated stated he was taken on full time on the back of that draft lol.They were indeed happy with themselves.
It was also stated he and Miller had two partimers at the club one bloke from north and they had 6 recruiters scattered about the place this has been stated by the club in articles.
Hindsight is wonderful isn't it. that draft is a bust and Jackson takes no responsibility.
At the end of the day from 05 to 15 we had 44 nd picks in total .Yes we had some success with early picks, fmd we had enough of em.
In those 11 drafts Jacksons time in charge imo, we managed to find just 6 players after pick 30. They were Astbury 35, McIntosh 33, Butler 67
Lloyd 66 and Broad 67 the last two being mature pickups so in fact we found just three young players in the nd after pick 30 in those 11 seasons
and peple defend this they must thinking people are morons.
In 11 seasons we used just 8 psd picks just 4 were youngsters White, Gourdis Grimes and O'Hanlon.I would argue only Grimes is a find given Psd players are taken after extra time.
Not a lot there imo very poor indeed . But it gets worse imo. we had 43 rookie picks in those 11 seasons. While its arguable the only players we found who had not already been in the afl sysyem were. King a mature recruit, Nahas mature recruit , Short, Castagna, Lambert mature recruit and Soldo.
Lets just be plain honest. lets at least acknowledge the numbers and they scream out mediocrity.
Yes it is to be expected that clubs will get their fair share of higher picks right,and Jackson has, it is acknowledged by most though that the good recruiters have a good hit ratio with lower and rookie picks.
Just when you thought it was bad and could not get any worse take a look at the mature recruits we bought to the club thru trade f/a nd rookie picks etc in Jacksons 11 yr tenure.
In fairness i dont blame Jackson for the majority of mature players we have bought to the club but as head of recruitment he must have had a fair say about each player heres the list.
Kingsley, Morton, Cartledge, Howat, Knobel, P Bowden, Humm, King,Hislop, Thompson, Cousins, Farmer, Polak, Derickx, Grigg, Miller, Nahas, Houli,A Maric, I Maric, Morris, Chaplin, Knights, Edwards, Petterd, Lonergan, Stephenson, Lloyd, Hampson, Banfield, Thomas, Miles, Hunt, Lambert, Arnot, Yarran, A Moore, Townsend, Broad,
Thats 39 mature recruits and you would be lucky to find 10 good players or 10 who made a decent contribution .
People say fj is mostly responsible for the players who played in the premierships but that by itself is an amazingly blinkerd and skewed way to look at it no wonder it took 13 yrs to achieve anything.
Ah well i suppose im wasting my time tiger supporters are among the leaders in the comp when it comes to revisionism.
At the end of the day all recruitment teams have busts. The problem is tho you fail to acknowledge that he recruited 80% of this side that won 3 flags the facts don't lie.3 flags in 13 years is excellent.
LMFAO.
We didnt win a flag in the 11 yrs jackson was in charge. In fact we didnt even win a final. lol.
Of course all recruiting teams have busts just not the volume that Jackson had. How do you rate Jackson after pick 30 in the nd or his numerous rookie picks.
In anyones language yes even most one eyed blinkered feral supporters say his record in this is lousy.Yet here you are defending him says a lot i suppose.
As usual you totally miss the point. Of course i acknowledge he had a hand in recruiting a large percentage of our premiership players
But the real real point is we got there eventually despite the best or in this case mainly worse efforts of Jackson.Should he have been in charge for so long with such returns. Well unless people around here are jumping ship like rats of the proverbial sinking ship then the vast majority agreed.
As one astute poster big tone said, any one with half a brain will pick up the odd good player here or there its only ferals who are arguing that point or fail to acknowledge that point.
Jackson work was done before we won the flags mate with recruitment of most of the list.Each to there own I have my opinion and views I don't need to agree with majority of supporters.
Your not making sense in one hand your bagging him and then acknowledge he had a major hand in our flags and then say because the worse efforts of him lool those worse efforts got us 3 flags.We were under funded in our recruitment department not even interstate recruiters.Like I said his time had a major contribution to getting those 3 flags you focus on negatives to much.
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I listed hits ONLY because when the majority talk about FJ they bang on about misses ONLY and point their collective fingers of blame for said misses ONLY at FJ not any other person in recruiting.
But at the same time the same folks when they speak of the hits heap praise on every person in recruiting except FJ.
Okay.
I accept your "team effort" to a degree but the point has to be made that the Lead Recruiter, Jackson, is most responsible for the choices at the top of the drat list.
When Luke Williams came to us in 2014 I think he was very responsible for the LOWER picks ie the Rookies.
2014 Senior C Ellis, Menadue, Drummond, Butler, McKenzie. Rookie Short, Castagna, Lambert, Arnot, Soldo.
If you say that Jackson has no responsibility for 2005 as a part-timer, when we took JON, Hughes, Casserly, White, GRaham, Humm and Howatt then he is MAINLY (as the head recruiter) for the picks from 2006 to 2016 when Clarke took over. https://www.afl.com.au/news/148183/who-makes-the-calls-on-your-clubs-recruits from 2017.
Note in that story that Jackson was working on "Future picks" and that we had 10 part-time scouts.
I have a Jackson interview from years ago where he said he did not like a lot of scouts because they caused confusion with too many opinions.
2006 - Riewoldt, Edwards then 6 fails. Note we got Jack after trading down to get Polak. A huge gamble we lucked out on.
2007 - Cotchin, Rance then 8 fails. As said before Cotchin was a gimme and Rance was AA.
2008 - Nothing. Headed by Vickery, Post and Hislop.
2009 - Martin, Astbury and Grimes then 10 fails including rookied Polak. Martin was a gimme and the other 2 have become great after a long time of criticism.
2010 - Houli as PSD and Grigg as a trade and 9 fails headed by Conca.
2011 - Nothing but Maric and Morris as trades.
2012 - Vlastuin and McIntosh as first picks then 9 fails led by an Edwards trade.
2013 - Nothing headed by Lennon at pick 12.
2014 - Little headed by B Ellis but as said we got Short, Castagna, Lambert and Soldo in the Rookie
2015 - Rioli, Broad and Chol with Markov the best of 5 fails.
2016 - Huge gains of Bolton, Graham, Garthwaite, Prestia, Caddy and Nankervis with only Stengle as a fail.
Under Clarke:
2017 - Only Higgins so far and that was not due to form but circumstances. CCJ, Balta, Naish, Miller and Baker all look long term.
2018 - Turner, English, Townsend and Weller out but the rest look good led by RCD and Ross and the traded Lynch.
Bolded are your 12 but note Baker was in 2017 when Jackson was in Future picks.
Thats a pretty full account with both wins AND fails.
hmm says it all.apart from 2005 which was jacksons first. i understand he was not in charge for the 2016 draft but am prepared to be corrected on that.
Quite clearly williams was responsible for the rookie and late nd picks from 2014 onwards going by most comments on the subject.
His primary role was to find players in the ND and in the 11 12 seasons he was in charge he hardly found a player past the second rnd.
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I openly can’t stand FJ, but realistically he hasn’t been in charge for about 5 years- right about the time when we starting coming good.
Cotch and Dusty picked themselves at picks 2 and 3.... hard to argue with that even with hindsight....
Getting a few picks here and there right gets you some good players, and even some star players, we have always had “some” good players, but to win premierships you need to put together a list of very good players all pushing each other- like we have now and didn’t when FJ was in charge.
Every club has star players, it’s who you put them with that wins premierships.
Old Blair Hartley used to get a fair bashing on here from some, but not so much anymore.
I would say he has done an amazing job keeping the players we wanted to keep, together...
also this so good to see others being honest with out blinkers on.
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We're considering replacing Nank with Samson. So he could be making his debut on Saturday night.
Source: 3aw.
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The man Damien Hardwick threw up in April as the perfect candidate for a loan system - ruckman Samson Ryan - in consideration for a Dreamtime debut.
Tigers keen to look at 3x tall fwds + a ruck. Footy moves pretty quick...
https://twitter.com/cleary_mitch/status/1400284541374263298
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I dunno if that’s necessary. CJ and Chol can rotate between second forward and ruck. I’d bring in another key defender (Miller) which would then even potentially although balta to chip in with ruck duties depending on the matchups.
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Tigers consider shock Dreamtime debutant
Richmond could unveil rookie ruckman Samson Ryan against Essendon as a replacement for Toby Nankervis who played all of last week’s game with an injury so bad he could miss a month of football.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/round-12-afl-teams-richmond-considers-samson-ryan-for-debut/news-story/b77963ac4c785d75d6c451c73cb31c61
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Problem is he hasnt played ruck in the VFL that much so would have to play as a forward most of the time. Not that this is a big issue.
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I think we're concerned about CCJ & Chol physically lasting the whole 4 quarters at AFL level swapping between ruck and forward line duties. Both did seem to tire in the last quarter last week and were less effective (we had Nank in the side too but he was carrying that leg knock). Rotating 3 ruck/forwards should keep all 3 fresh enough over 4 quarters and stretch Phillips if Essendon doesn't bring in a second ruck such as Draper.
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Ryan debut!
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Samson Ryan to debut against the Saints
By Richmond Media
Emerging young Richmond ruckman Samson Ryan will make his senior league debut in Friday night's Round 15 match against St Kilda at the MCG.
Ryan was selected with the Club’s first pick (No. 40 overall) in last December’s 2020 AFL national draft, and has played six matches for the VFL Tigers so far in 2021.
The 20-year-old enters his debut against the Saints following a 30-hit-out, one-goal performance in Richmond's VFL draw against Williamstown last Sunday, matched against seasoned Seagulls ruckman Tom Downie.
"The big fella had his work cut out against a really experienced ruckman on the weekend without 'Marbs' and 'CJ' alongside him," VFL playing assistant coach, Steve Morris said of Ryan's effort.
"It was a great opportunity for him to gain experience and grow as a player.
"He competed hard as highlighted by his 30 hit-outs, but will be working on his technique in the contest after giving away a few free kicks."
Ryan's best performance at VFL-level to date saw him boot four goals from six marks on return to his home state in the Tigers' 62-point win over Brisbane at the Gabba in May.
The third-generation Richmond supporter who came to the club via the Brisbane Lions Academy and Sherwood (QAFL) will wear the No. 32 guernsey on Friday night.
Ryan will become Richmond's fifth senior debutant for the 2021 premiership season, alongside Rhyan Mansell, Will Martyn, Riley Collier-Dawkins and Hugo Ralphsmith.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/963154/samson-ryan-to-debut-against-the-saints
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Best of luck to Samson for tomorrow night. Have a good one.
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From Barrett's 'Sliding Doors' column:[/b]
IF ...
the Tigers had enough confidence in 2019 to roll the selection dice and pick a 27-year-old for his AFL debut in a Grand Final ...
THEN ...
the inclusion of a beanpole ruckman for his first game under Friday night lights barely raises the eyebrows. No doubting that Samson Ryan will be ready.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/635185/if-the-past-fortnight-has-been-an-embarrassing-self-inflicted-nightmare-
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"We thought [Samson Ryan] was a project player but his ability and drive to learn has been really important," Hardwick said.
"His game at VFL level last weekend was very, very good.
"He's tough in the contest for a guy of his size, he uses the ball at ground level very well, so we're really excited about what he's going to bring."
Source: RFC website (https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/964041/dimma-s-eye-to-the-future-in-ruck-battle-with-saints)
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Dud
Delist
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Who ever picked Samson for small forward on a wet night should be sacked.
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Sub him out. Fake something.
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Needs to get physical. Put him in the ruck.
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What a night to debut a freshly born giraffe. Lol.
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Lool having a go at him nothing to do with him or the talls or wet weather we have been garbage.
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Sub him out. Fake something.
Someone kick him in the nuts
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What a night to debut a freshly born giraffe. Lol.
:lol :rollin
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Following in the footsteps of Chol & CCJ - i.e. will get his second game in about two or three years..... :shh
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Not ready.
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Is he supposed to be a ruck?
If so would be good if he could make a contest in the ruck
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The fact he’s been on the bench for 3/4 of the game shows we really screwed the pooch at the selection table. Sub the poor bastard out.
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The fact he’s been on the bench for 3/4 of the game shows we really screwed the pooch at the selection table. Sub the poor bastard out.
No hope a that happening now with Halts and Broad hurt.
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I just hope the poor kid get a touch.
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Is he supposed to be a ruck?
If so would be good if he could make a contest in the ruck
Thinking this too. Couldn't do worse than Chol
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Donuts :lol I reckon I could’ve played a better game than this kid.
Who made this decision? I think the selection committee have been drinking their own bath water.
This was a complete balls up.
I think this is the worse debut ever. :rollin
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Yepppppppp
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I feel really bad this kid, just sayin’
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I feel really bad this kid, just sayin’
Have to agree, don’t bag the kid, not his fault
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stuffen ridiculous decision to play him. Dimma is acting like an arrogant tool of late. stuffing the hired help hasn’t helped his decision making clearly
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3 rucks playing was as dumb as I've seen
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Leave the kid alone a lot to like about him despite tonight. Reckon we have a long term good un and im glad and hope every time he shows enough they have the wisdom to get games into him.
If given a choice between him and say CCJ i will back in Ryan especially as a ruckman.
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Donuts :lol I reckon I could’ve played a better game than this kid.
Who made this decision? I think the selection committee have been drinking their own bath water.
This was a complete balls up.
I think this is the worse debut ever. :rollin
Pretty sure Jonathan Brown got duck eggs on debut as well... :shh
...hopefully Ryan is just the Reverse Dean Polo... :shh :shh
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He’s been doing well at VFL level but it’s a big jump and he is a long way off
Very poor selection and it really cost us tonight
Would have been better with 1 ruck and mis size played instead of Ryan and even CJ
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Marshall is one of the top ruckman in the comp. and with Ryder in tandem they carry St Kilda. Throwing a kid on debut against them was a huge ask. Poor Samson was schooled.
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Leave the kid alone a lot to like about him despite tonight. Reckon we have a long term good un and im glad and hope every time he shows enough they have the wisdom to get games into him.
If given a choice between him and say CCJ i will back in Ryan especially as a ruckman.
No, he was actually terrible. The worst debut I’ve ever seen and that includes Sideshowbob Vickery. Look I hope he comes good but he was way way out of his league and shouldn’t of been played as he’s clearly not ready yet. What on earth was the selection committee thinking playing him up against Ryder and Marshall on a wet and rainy Friday night in the middle of winter?
Unlike yourself I tell it like i see it. :rollin
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Following in the footsteps of Chol & CCJ - i.e. will get his second game in about two or three years..... :shh
For Gold Coast
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Leave the kid alone a lot to like about him despite tonight. Reckon we have a long term good un and im glad and hope every time he shows enough they have the wisdom to get games into him.
If given a choice between him and say CCJ i will back in Ryan especially as a ruckman.
:lol
Had to change posts upon reading this post
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Donuts :lol I reckon I could’ve played a better game than this kid.
Who made this decision? I think the selection committee have been drinking their own bath water.
This was a complete balls up.
I think this is the worse debut ever. :rollin
Yep he had a shocker
But to ridicule and laugh about it at the kids expense is IMHO poor form
I feel really bad this kid, just sayin’
Have to agree, don’t bag the kid, not his fault
I really feel for him too. Got cast out to the wolves tonight. Just another example of the arrogance of the Club.
He wasn't ready and ot showed. Might of got away with it if Nank was playing but he wasn't
And yes Dio, you are correct Jonathan Brown got duck eggs in first game.
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saw nothing in the kid tonight to suggest he will be anything, much like chol who has had more cracks at it.
you only have to go back a few months when that other kid had a shocker first game and he was smashed on here.
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Poor Samson had a fantasy score of -2.
0 disposals
0 marks
0 tackles
0 clearances
0 inside 50s
1 hitout
1 free against
55% time on ground.
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He and Martym have the worst 2 debuts Ive ever seen. At leadt Samson is a big kid so he gets extra time but some of our kids are struggling.
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100% ramps. Il go a step further and blame the selection committee for the 2 dumbest selections ever seen. It is on them for their cockiness
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100% ramps. Il go a step further and blame the selection committee for the 2 dumbest selections ever seen. It is on them for their cockiness
I agree. It’s up to the selection committee to get these decisions right as it can ruin a career before it even starts.
I just hope the kid can lift himself off the canvas because last night was a knock out blow to his confidence
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lol at the reactions here. The kid has shown plenty in the two's and deserved a chance. Unfortunately it was a shocker and it showed nothing more than he is not ready yet. At the worst all it does is show him how much work he has to do the experience good or bad game is what it is all about.
The kid has very good attributes so good that they say he will get there.
Slightly different scenario Brian Lake had 10 goals kicked on him at debut and he went on to become a great F/B.
if his VFL form warrants a game im all for playing him let him test out where he is at, im sure he will have plenty more bad games at both levels.
When this kid gets the required size and strength that comes with it he should be a handful for any opposition.
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Donuts :lol I reckon I could’ve played a better game than this kid.
Who made this decision? I think the selection committee have been drinking their own bath water.
This was a complete balls up.
I think this is the worse debut ever. :rollin
Yep he had a shocker
But to ridicule and laugh about it at the kids expense is IMHO poor form
I feel really bad this kid, just sayin’
Have to agree, don’t bag the kid, not his fault
I really feel for him too. Got cast out to the wolves tonight. Just another example of the arrogance of the Club.
He wasn't ready and ot showed. Might of got away with it if Nank was playing but he wasn't
And yes Dio, you are correct Jonathan Brown got duck eggs in first game.
It was more a criticism of the selection committee than the kid but whatever you can think what you want.
Anyway, if you can’t laugh about stuff that happens in life you’ll end up in the potential straight jacket league blaming everyone and anyone for all circumstances for your life ills because it’s all too hard ie. Beams
Or even the club that gave you a chance ie. Reece McKenzie
“When you have intolerable levels of anxiety and depression and have developed an eating disorder causing you to lose all of your friends all because of an incompetent, dysfunctional, joke and embarrassment of a club. I didn’t retire from football because of mental health reasons, I quit Richmond, I f***ing quit because if I had continued to receive the treatment that they were giving me I would have killed myself no doubt. No person at any profession deserves the treatment I received, they are a disgrace to professional sporting clubs around the world and it’s no wonder they got someone else in to do Dan Richardson’s job because he knows f*** all about football and f*** all about basic human care.” McKenzie wrote.
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.zerohanger.com/just-in-retired-tiger-absolutely-unloads-on-richmond-8438/amp/
Browny can now look back on his illustrious career and laugh at his first game as hopefully Ryan will one day do himself as I’ve seen him in the twos he goes ok but there’s no guarantees in life (unless your Jason Castagna) most people have to work bloody hard to make it and be successful.
Let’s hope he can one day look back on this debacle and laugh as well.
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As bad as a debut that it was it still wasnt as bad as Jack Watts one
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He’s been doing well at VFL level but it’s a big jump and he is a long way off
Very poor selection and it really cost us tonight
Would have been better with 1 ruck and mis size played instead of Ryan and even CJ
Spot on.
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With Chol gone and CCJ likely heading out too, it opens the door for Samson and pushes him our ruck rungs. Motivation for him to have a big preseason and learn big time from his horror debut where he was thrown to the wolves against experienced senior St Kilda rucks Marshall & Ryder.
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Richmond has extended the contract of emerging ruck/forward Samson Ryan for a further two years.
Richmond General Manager- Football Talent Blair Hartley said that the 206cm ruck/forward had made a strong start to his career.
“Samson impressed us with his training standards and on-field performance throughout his first season at the Club in 2021,” he said.
“Already, he has got a small taste of AFL football and we are very excited to see more of him across the next three seasons.”
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1049407/samson-ryan-signs-richmond-extension
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After his debut the only way is up
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He was thrown to the wolves in his debut game. I know our options were limited with both Nank and Soldo out at that time but Dimma and match committee stuffed up starting him as first ruck in that St Kilda game against experienced quality rucks in Marshall and Ryder.
Having said that, it's good news we have re-signed him. He has plenty of raw talent and other clubs would love to poach him. Good to lock him away after losing both CCJ & Chol. Now he can develop to eventually take over from Nank when he retires.
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After his debut the only way is up
We hope.
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Ryan may have some VFL traits, but he isn’t going to make it as an AFL footballer.
He’s laconic and lazy and his training standards are very poor.
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Ryan may have some VFL traits, but he isn’t going to make it as an AFL footballer.
He’s laconic and lazy and his training standards are very poor.
Don't agree with this at all. Rucking solo all year so far.
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Matter of opinion, but I don’t like what I’ve seen.
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Ryan may have some VFL traits, but he isn’t going to make it as an AFL footballer.
He’s laconic and lazy and his training standards are very poor.
He worked very hard today as was solid
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Long way to go with Ryan. Under 25yo rucks in AFL are uncompetitive in 99% of cases. Still time to develop.
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Ryan may have some VFL traits, but he isn’t going to make it as an AFL footballer.
He’s laconic and lazy and his training standards are very poor.
He worked very hard today as was solid
He did work hard and basically rucked all day. For me he doesn't seem to have it to step it up to the next level. Hope I am wrong as rucks do take time. Would be we knock his effort though.
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Im all for persevering. But saying that the concern remains is he half ruckman half fwd but not quite either.
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Half forward?
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Wins many taps but doesn’t give mids s as my advantage.
Unfortunately our mids aren’t much chop either.
Someone must teach him how to tap to advantage.
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Sounds like Samson will be playing.
Journo: Is this the week you look at Samson Ryan helping out in the ruck?
Dimma: Yeah, definitely! He's well and truly in the equation. He's been in really good form at VFL level. We've been really happy with what he has been able to produce. The possibility of him going up against one of the best ruckman in the modern era in Todd Goldstein is exciting and overwhelming at the same time. He's such a combative person. They've also got CJ which we know pretty well. It will be a challenge if he is selected but he certainly has put his hand up.
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Highlights of Samson Ryan's game today in the VFL. 18 disposals, 29 hitouts and 3 goals.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1178982/vfl-r18-samson-strong-in-the-wet
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His improvement is very impressive :clapping
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The positive this year is that he is taking the vfl by scruff of the neck. Has filled the void of CCP which is pretty impressive considering where he was at. The key is continue that development to get a senior gig and then more. Fingers crossed.
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Another preseason in the gym and we could have a good one here.
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I'd like to see against a better team but he has all the attributes.
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A breakout year for Samson hopefully coming in 2023 :pray.
22 today :birthday.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjfbNB0aYAEe2O6?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1600989575736094720
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What expectations do we have for ruck/fwd Samson Ryan?
The 22 yr old is about to enter his 3rd season with us & didn't feature at snr level in '22, so needs to show progression to break into the snr side with his best chances likely fwd.
His main competition is Benny Miller..(https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f42f.png)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FkEHUrkakAEqaeN?format=jpg&name=900x900)
https://twitter.com/Tigers_of_Old/status/1603573140906729472
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I have big expectations of Sampson Ryan given his natural football ability. He's good at ground level, a strong marks and is a good set shot. He just needs to build up his body and learn how to use it to split packs and contest against other rucks.I see him as a key forward more than a 2nd ruck. I think he's in for a big year and will play multiple games for us at AFl level in 2023.
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I have big expectations of Sampson Ryan given his natural football ability. He's good at ground level, a strong marks and is a good set shot. He just needs to build up his body and learn how to use it to split packs and contest against other rucks.I see him as a key forward more than a 2nd ruck. I think he's in for a big year and will play multiple games for us at AFl level in 2023.
I don't mind him either but i see him more as a ruckman than a fwd. Just don't think he has the athleticism or agility to play permanent fwd.
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If Lynch misses the start of the season, and assuming the coaches decide to replace him with a tall rather than a small, then I think Samson will have first dibs. Played fwd all game during match sim with nank and Miller rotating through the ruck. Think he played reasonably well too, jagged a couple of goals, took some string contested marks and looks quite agile for someone 206cm.
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FWIW, the only rucks I rate beyond Nank are Miller and the only forwards beyond Lynch and Jack are below 6ft 3inches.
Soldo has to prove that reco hasn’t turned him queen mary on a turning cirle and Sammy Ryan just hadn’t done enough to warrant anything other than a slow hand clap.
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If Lynch misses the start of the season, and assuming the coaches decide to replace him with a tall rather than a small, then I think Samson will have first dibs. Played fwd all game during match sim with nank and Miller rotating through the ruck. Think he played reasonably well too, jagged a couple of goals, took some string contested marks and looks quite agile for someone 206cm.
I thought Bradtke looked like he has potential and that VFK bloke May looked like a genuinely good forward.
I still have my doubts over Ryan and I really don't know how he'll get a game unless Nank+Soldo or Lynch go down but then he will be playing on a genuine first ruck or first/second tall defender rather than a VFL prospect and I think he'll struggle.
Hate to sound negative but I don't see him on our list at the end of next year.
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I thought he physically looked stronger in the body and he competes well in the air and at ground level. Another 12 months under his belt and he could be a solid AFL forward.
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Samson's cameo last quarter:
6 disposals (6k, 0h, 5c, 1u, 33.3% eff. )
5 marks (4 contested marks )
1 inside 50
141 metres gained
1 free for
3 score involvements
1 goal
2 behinds
1 ootf
24% game time
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Needs to work on his set shot kicking but otherwise looked good. If Lynch/Jack are injured/managed/suspended, he’d prob be the first tall forward I’d bring in. Not that we have many options to choose from.
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Round 1 with no Tarrant then id say we roll the dice and play Miller in defence and Samson as the second ruck tall fwd.
He can do no worse than JR. Itmay even free both TL and JR up a bit.
Remember people in general when players hit 30 they don't get better but worse at varying rates.
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I agree with this provided he’s picked ahead of soldo and not together with him.
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Round 1 with no Tarrant then id say we roll the dice and play Miller in defence and Samson as the second ruck tall fwd.
He can do no worse than JR. Itmay even free both TL and JR up a bit.
Remember people in general when players hit 30 they don't get better but worse at varying rates.
Totally Craw.
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Twenty-two-year-old Ryan was another who showcased a standout pre-season and as such has earned a recall for his second senior game.
He came on for the final term of Richmond's pre-season game against Melbourne earlier this month, taking five marks, four of them contested grabs, and kicking a goal, turning heads since he'd played three quarters in the VFL practice match earlier that day.
The 206cm ruck/forward will give Toby Nankervis support while providing the Tigers with an additional aerial target inside 50.
"(Samson's) been going very, very well at VFL level and can pinch hit from up forward," Senior coach Damien Hardwick said when speaking to the media on Thursday morning.
Source: RFC website (https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1288949/two-cubs-added-to-line-up)
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I just don’t know how 3 gals in our forward line works. It’s never seemed to work.
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If all 3 are on the ground at the same time (which won't be all the time), I reckon Jack will play very high.
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If all 3 are on the ground at the same time (which won't be all the time), I reckon Jack will play very high.
I doubt they have all three on often. When Ryan is on he will be mainly as relief ruckman or more a stay at home forward with either Jack or aTom leading up or playing high. Will be interesting to see how he is used but I do like the fact he is being given a go and hope he shows some of the talents we have seen at the lower level.
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I just don’t know how 3 gals in our forward line works. It’s never seemed to work.
Go and look at the trend in the game with what just about every other side is doing.
Three talls is very much the norm with most and some are playing three talls a ruck/fwd and a ruck.
The sides that are not doing this dont seem to have the cattle on their list to do it.
In this we seem to be in a bad place with only two proven key fwds and they are 31 and 35 this year.
The only other real option atm is Ryan and he has just one game to his name. Ben Miller who is more a defender imo has 13 games and while an option fwd does not look to be an answer there long term.
Take this week Adelaide can throw at us Walker, Himmelberg, Fogarty and if they desire Thilthorpe with obrien rucking.
Going fwd they have no worries with only Walker older than 27.
Our opposition last week Carlton had Curnow, McKay, Silvagni and this week are adding Pittonet to DeKoning in the ruck.
as stated you can do similar with most teams.
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Agree clawski.
We simply cannot cover the lack of quality talls with manic small pressure anymore. Hocking saw to that.
Jack should be finished this year you'd think so hopefully a couple of Bauer, Bradtke or Miller can be at least serviceable up forward with Lynch.
I suspect when Cotch, Jack and maybe Tarrant retire we will go to the draft (cheap list spots) and FA (key forward). I'd like to think that Balta, Gibcus, Young/Biggie could be a reasonable backline moving forward.
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Looked good out there.
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Glad he kicked some goals but he looks so lost when the ball hits the ground. Has no contest in him
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Haven't seen the whole game yet but it would appear clawski was bang on the money. Good call mate.
Glad he kicked some goals but he looks so lost when the ball hits the ground. Has no contest in him
Second game, I think we can let it slide haha.
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Think we saw both sides of it. 3 tall system worked great in the first half when the game was on our terms but did not help at all when we were getting dominated. If we had another small or midfield rotation instead would it have helped? I tend to think not given how badly we were getting beaten but yeah we’ll just have to see it in action for a few more games.
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Think we saw both sides of it. 3 tall system worked great in the first half when the game was on our terms but did not help at all when we were getting dominated. If we had another small or midfield rotation instead would it have helped? I tend to think not given how badly we were getting beaten but yeah we’ll just have to see it in action for a few more games.
having 3 talls that apply little to no pressure is such a killer though
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Think we saw both sides of it. 3 tall system worked great in the first half when the game was on our terms but did not help at all when we were getting dominated. If we had another small or midfield rotation instead would it have helped? I tend to think not given how badly we were getting beaten but yeah we’ll just have to see it in action for a few more games.
having 3 talls that apply little to no pressure is such a killer though
Oh I agree. It’s just we were getting so resoundly beaten, I doubt a small fwd or mid in 1 of their places would have made a difference.
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Think we saw both sides of it. 3 tall system worked great in the first half when the game was on our terms but did not help at all when we were getting dominated. If we had another small or midfield rotation instead would it have helped? I tend to think not given how badly we were getting beaten but yeah we’ll just have to see it in action for a few more games.
having 3 talls that apply little to no pressure is such a killer though
Yep it was painful to watch the rebound
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Samson Ryan has had maximum impact, with all five of his disposals being involved in a score for his team, including kicking three goals.
https://www.afl.com.au/afl/matches/4796#timeline
Samson's stats:
6 disposals (4k, 2h, 4c, 2u, 83.3% eff.)
4 marks .... (2 contested marks)
1 tackle
1 clearance
1 inside 50
6 hitouts
144 metres gained
5 score involvements
3 goals
1 free for
69% time on ground
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Thought he was very good
Glad he kicked some goals but he looks so lost when the ball hits the ground. Has no contest in him
Can't agree with that. He created ground ball contests, he chased, pressured and importantly game awareness has improved markedly.
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“I thought we found a kid today . . . Samson Ryan,” Hardwick said in his post-game press conference.
“He took some big marks and kicked three big goals and was probably unlucky a couple of other times not to get some free kicks, because he’s that tall.
“If we can just get them into his game, that’d be a great result.”
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1291770/ryan-s-ripping-return
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The Undroppable: Samson Ryan
The 22-year-old looked much more equipped as an AFL player in his second outing.
Ryan has put on a bit of size over the off-season (and plenty more since his 2021 debut) and seems more comfortable at the elite level.
That showed in his output against the Crows.
The 206cm Ryan finished with three goals including a crucial set shot from 50 in the tense final term. He also took four marks (two contested) and helped out in the ruck.
While his overall numbers weren’t huge, his presence could help the Richmond forward line stretch some smaller opposition defences.
Source: SEN (https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/03/27/overreactions-positives-negatives-and-undroppables-for-all-18-afl-teams-in)
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Think he only had 67% game time as well. So really when they had a run on its likely he spent significant time on the bench anyway.
The thing with Samson is i think hes more a ruckman and as he gets stronger at 206cm he will become a great 2nd ruck foil for whoever our first ruck is while being able to impact fwd. Probably an unkind analagy but atm a lesser version of what Melbourne do with the Gawn Grundy ruck situation and Jackson before that. We dont have two ruckmen who can go fwd so Ryans role should be something like 50% fwd 20 - 30% ruck then bench.
If rebound becomes a problem in a game then the coaches are paid to see it. pretty simple thing to just rotate the rucks from the bench if that happens .
I also go on about the height of most backlines we go with 4 talls religiously. Grimes 193cm, Broad 192cm Balta 194cm and Tarrant 196cm.
Just think especially with all the rule changes chaos footy does not work anymore, the ability of sides to lock the ball in the fwd half with the use of smalls is a thing of the past. The norm it seems is at least three big tall defenders and very few smalls. Its not as if lets call it a one v one the tall fwds are chasing small defenders out or playing on them.Thats more about your defensive systems and how well you set up once the ball is in the fwd half.The way its gone imo it has become more important that your forwards are not just there for pressure but kick goals. Imo there is no place anymore for just a defensive fwd. That was fine before Hocking got his hands on the game.
One of the main reasons i have advocated a third tall fwd or ruck/fwd is to take the heat away from in particular big Tom. Also to make those tall intercept defenders that most clubs have think twice about leaving their opponent to double team a player.
We go into games and we concede straight away Tom is going to be playing on two.
Going to add tackling is a massive problem for us and has been for awhile. not just the numbers but the ineffectiveness of them.
Actually lay an effective tackle and get them to ground and you take that players run and involvement out of the play.
Imo we are the worst tackling team in the comp.I have a few ideas why that is but won't go into them.
For many years now the trend has been for taller and bigger players right across the board those talls are generally more agile and faster as well. Thats just natural progression. Where we really notice it more than anywhere is mids. They are becoming just as big as kpp's in instances.
Any way pleased for Samson yes i would like him to be more involved but if he is kicking three goals every week clubs will have to put a lot of work into him and then the benefits will flow, with JR and TL getting more freedom and less opponents.
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Shows good speed on the lead and has pretty safe hands when stretching for the mark. Encouraging game and think he can build on that.
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"I was just so grateful to be out there... to get three goals in the end was the cherry on top."
Playing his first senior game in over a year, Samson Ryan reflects on the win over Adelaide.
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1640638862816063490
Samson's long bomb through the middle in the last quarter :thumbsup.
https://twitter.com/rfcswallace/status/1640646824796246016
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New improved Vickery .
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'We knew he had the talent': Why Tigers held back big man
The Tigers never doubted they had a talent on their hands in Samson Ryan
By Dejan Kalinic
afl.com.au
31 March 2023
RICHMOND had just been waiting for the perfect chance to unleash the talented Samson Ryan, according to assistant coach Xavier Clarke.
Ryan, 22, was brought in for his second career game in Adelaide on Saturday, kicking three goals in the Tigers' 32-point win over the Crows.
The 206cm forward/ruck, Tom Lynch and Jack Riewoldt combined for eight goals.
Speaking on Yokayi Footy, Clarke said the Tigers knew just how good Ryan could be, but needed to find the right time to give him his chance.
"We knew he had the talent, we were just waiting where we could fit him in and we think now he can slot in that forward line with Tom Lynch and then be our second ruck to Toby Nankervis," he said.
"It was a great second game for him, three kicks, three goals which is a pretty good return."
Ryan had shown excellent signs during Richmond's pre-season match against Melbourne when he came on in the final term.
He took five marks (four contested), had six disposals and three shots at goal (1.2).
"He's just that tall target, he's 200-odd centimetres, we wanted to try and stretch that Adelaide defence as best we can," Clarke said.
"The other thing is he's been in really good form in the VFL. He played half a game against Melbourne down in Casey, he played three quarters in the VFL, he had about a four-hour rest and he came on and played the last quarter in the AFL in the practice match that we had.
"He actually took four contested marks and kicked 1.2 in that period of time."
Ryan will get another opportunity when the Tigers take on Collingwood in a Friday night blockbuster at the MCG in round three.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/892702/-we-knew-he-had-the-talent-why-tigers-held-back-big-man
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Stop picking this guy in the wet. Gotta be smarter at selection. Not his fault he is 200cm, but 2md game out of 3 we've picked him in the wet.
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Stop picking this guy in the wet. Gotta be smarter at selection. Not his fault he is 200cm, but 2md game out of 3 we've picked him in the wet.
I agree. Not ready yet for wet weather footy.
Bring in the sub. Get us more speed in this game.
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Stop picking this guy in the wet. Gotta be smarter at selection. Not his fault he is 200cm, but 2md game out of 3 we've picked him in the wet.
I agree. Not ready yet for wet weather footy.
Bring in the sub. Get us more speed in this game.
Reckon he’s better out there than nank is. Atleast he’s winning some ruck contests.
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Dimma in his presser today said that we are grooming Samson more as a key forward rather than as a ruckman. We like what Samson brings in that part of game (the conditions didn't help him last week).
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Not convinced as yet.
Don’t think has any footy nous.
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Not convinced as yet.
Don’t think has any footy nous.
Agreed
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Made a massive difference when he went in the middle in the 2nd qtr.
Not sold on him as a forward TBBH
But think he'll be a reasonable ruckman
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Made a massive difference when he went in the middle in the 2nd qtr.
Agreed.
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He’s a developing tall.
We’ll see
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His last two games have been in horrible conditions for a tall, let alone a ruck/forward in his 4th game of AFL footy.
He was knackered by the end of it. His tap work is good at times and he does show some signs. I reckon he'll probably get dropped but I wouldn't be giving up on him by any means
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Jury is out.
Could be decent, could be a bust.
Needs to keep improving.
It’s a tough industry.
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Really disagree with them that they assert he is a key fwd.
Just gotta develop him as primarily a ruckman who can roll forward as needed and see how it pans out.
The dogs just threw English in the deepend and went with him as their # 1 ruckman a lot of the time and are now reaping the rewards.
The big fear is he is another Vickery or Elton or CCJ we know the types we have had over the years. Not quite a good ruckman and not quite a good forward.
Here's hoping time shows him to be very good in one of the areas.
Personally i am hoping one of Bradtke or Bauer can play well enough to break into the senior team
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Not convinced yet
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I know he’s a pup but gee he get’s pushed off the ball easily. Reckon that 5-7 minute period in the last when he rucked cost us dearly
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I know he’s a pup but gee he get’s pushed off the ball easily. Reckon that 5-7 minute period in the last when he rucked cost us dearly
The club have him listed at 206/103 so he is a good size but i agree he lacks genuine core strength still. Thats something that is not a concern as it should be rectified just with work over the next few years.
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Samson Ryan has won a hitout from 52.1% of ruck contests - ranked 4th behind Grundy, Gawn, and Darcy.
#SuperCoach #AFLFantasy
https://twitter.com/FantasyFreako/status/1645928615698395138
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Tigers’ burning question: Can Samson Ryan handle the full ruck load?
The Tigers lost arguably their two most important players in Tom Lynch and Toby Nankervis during last week’s loss to the Western Bulldogs, according to Hawthorn legend Jason Dunstall. While veteran Jack Riewoldt will return to provide a marking target up forward in the attacking 50, the Tigers will have to dig to find a Nankervis replacement, given back-up ruck Ivan Soldo is also on the sidelines battling his own foot issue. Young ruck Samson Ryan stepped in last week and looks likely to shoulder the full load this week against Peter Ladhams. Ryan won 10 hit-outs from his 19 ruck contests and fought admirably — but he’s still very green.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2023-the-blowtorch-round-5-preview-every-clubs-burning-question-fox-footy-commentators-tv-broadcast-guide-analysis-fixture-news/news-story/5e6727fa61ad4e533a6f0b457de84073
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There is no way this guy is the way forward. Not a personal attack on the young man, but he is simply just not a competitor. You can see he just has no competitiveness. So soft
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There is no way this guy is the way forward. Not a personal attack on the young man, but he is simply just not a competitor. You can see he just has no competitiveness. So soft
Not a smart footy player. Don’t think he has a footy brain.
Kinda reminds me of Sideshow Bob Vickery.
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I disagree.
He’s raw but I think he’ll be good.
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He's poor after the contest but for a kid so raw he's OK *in* a contest.
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I disagree.
He’s raw but I think he’ll be good.
He's poor after the contest but for a kid so raw he's OK *in* a contest.
Agree on both counts
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I know it's wet but f me this kid has to clunk some more marks.
He's useless once the ball hits the ground so if he doesn't mark it we are immediately a man down.
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Local league players take marks he drops.
Not good enough to play AFL now. I have no patience for players that cannot take basic marks.
Must be dropped.
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Embarrassment to the jumper
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Local league players take marks he drops.
Not good enough to play AFL now. I have no patience for players that cannot take basic marks.
Must be dropped.
And we bring who to ruck?
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I like him, did well in the ruck and will start clunking those marks one day.
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No good. Sideshow Bob mark 2.
Actually as bad as Vickery was he at least could mark the footy or give a great right cross to the face of opposing ruck.
I don’t see a thing about this kid that I can think he could be anything decent in the future.
There’s not one footy attribute that I can name.
He just doesn’t have it at the moment.
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The worst player I have ever seen in a Richmond jumper
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I can see both sides to this argument.
After a great cameo against the Crows, he’s slowly gone down the gurgler confidence wise.
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Jack Riewoldt expressed confidence that Ryan - who has played five games - will develop into a key position player.
“Samson has talent and is diligent and an extremely hard worker,” Riewoldt said.
“We need to keep playing him. If he is going to be a very good player going forward, he needs to cut his teeth at AFL level.”
Source: The Age (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/we-are-big-boys-riewoldt-cotchin-to-do-what-s-best-for-richmond-20230415-p5d0oc.html).
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I like him, did well in the ruck and will start clunking those marks one day.
Completely agree.
When he’s in the ruck, he actually taps it to our players advantage, unlike our skipper.
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Not so good in the wet so far in his 3 or 4 game career as his marking is his strength, ok in the ruck but will improve with experience
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I like him, did well in the ruck and will start clunking those marks one day.
Completely agree.
When he’s in the ruck, he actually taps it to our players advantage, unlike our skipper.
I noticed this clearly too.
He actually looks at there they are, which way they're moving and tries to tap it to their friggin advantage.
Amazing.
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Jury well and truly out for me. Good that he is getting games and we get a good look at him
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Jury well and truly out for me. Good that he is getting games and we get a good look at him
Agree.
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As much as it might be painful we just have to keep playing him now. Hopefully at some stage he can take a mark or two...
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Not so good in the wet so far in his 3 or 4 game career as his marking is his strength, ok in the ruck but will improve with experience
I think the Adelaide game has been the only dry game he has played.
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Not so good in the wet so far in his 3 or 4 game career as his marking is his strength, ok in the ruck but will improve with experience
I think the Adelaide game has been the only dry game he has played.
Wet or dry he is physically underwhelming. And people talk about JR being old and slow but fmd he is a greyhound compared to this kid atm.
Just don't see it him being a very good fwd. Needs to work on his ruck craft thats where he could become a very good player.
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Needs to keep playing.
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Needs to keep playing.
Now that im on board with. Will learn more playing the rest of the season than he will training and stuck in the magoos for 5 yrs lol.
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What did we all think of Samson's game?
11 disposals (7k, 4h, 4c, 7u, 72.7% eff.)
5 marks
2 tackles
1 clearance
1 inside 50
12 hitouts
210 metres gained
2 intercepts
3 score involvements
2 goals
90% time on ground
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What did we all think of Samson's game?
11 disposals (7k, 4h, 4c, 7u, 72.7% eff.)
5 marks
2 tackles
1 clearance
1 inside 50
12 hitouts
210 metres gained
2 intercepts
3 score involvements
2 goals
90% time on ground
One of a small handful who played like they gave a poo.
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Coming along nicely.
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What did we all think of Samson's game?
11 disposals (7k, 4h, 4c, 7u, 72.7% eff.)
5 marks
2 tackles
1 clearance
1 inside 50
12 hitouts
210 metres gained
2 intercepts
3 score involvements
2 goals
90% time on ground
One of a small handful who played like they gave a poo.
Agreed and I gave him a vote for it too
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Thought he was a bright light in an otherwise pathetic effort
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Thought he was a bright light in an otherwise pathetic effort
Bright light is going a bit far. Maybe a night light. He was man-handled by Witts and won't be a stoppage ruckman unless he can quickly add 10kg. Just gets outmanoeuvred and brushed aside like an annoying twig. He's ok at centre bounce because he can avoid contact and just jump at the ball.
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Thought he was a bright light in an otherwise pathetic effort
Bright light is going a bit far. Maybe a night light. He was man-handled by Witts and won't be a stoppage ruckman unless he can quickly add 10kg. Just gets outmanoeuvred and brushed aside like an annoying twig. He's ok at centre bounce because he can avoid contact and just jump at the ball.
Seeing the majority of he team were in total darkness for the game, he was a bright light especially up forward
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Definitely needs to beef up, but I think he'll be good.
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Seeing the majority of he team were in total darkness for the game, he was a bright light especially up forward
Centre bounce and forward only for me at the moment. He's a major negative around the ground, better off doing a Grigg and having an extra mid around stoppages than a baby giraffe.
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I reckon this guy is comfortably our best ruck
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Dumb first quarter though. Kept tapping the ball every single time back the Eagles way. Second quarter was much better. Some lovely deft taps in the F50 stoppages. Sadly, our smalls didn't turn them into goals.
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Pretty much back to back goals off his ruck work.
Sublime
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Nearly 50% hit outs to advantage.
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I’m bullish on him for the long term.
Tap work is great.
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Another good development game for the kid
Apart from the 2 palm downs to Eagles players that gifted them 2 goals thought he was very good
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I rate his aerial contests, he will clunk more of them as he develops.
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has overtaken nank for mine as first ruck.
looks good even in our recent losses
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15 hitouts to advantage as well. Elite numbers
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fvbxm0MaUAIuGXl?format=jpg&name=large)
https://twitter.com/merrrnique/status/1654775567626141696
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Dominant compared to a lot of other rucks there.
Was amazing IMO for a kid.
Keep it up mate.
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Ryan has huge upside and this run of games has been a blessing for our future.
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GREAT’S ADVICE TO YOUNG RUCKMAN
With both Toby Nankervis and Ivan Soldo sidelined, it was on Samson Ryan to shoulder the ruckload for Richmond.
And Ryan, just like in his other seven games this season, had some bright moments on Saturday, albeit against another inexperienced ruckman in West Coast’s Bailey Williams.
However four-time premiership Hawk Jordan Lewis called for Ryan to be more creative with his ruck craft during periods when he got first touch on the ball.
“They (Richmond) haven’t got a dominant ruckman, so the pattern you have to establish is (Ryan) is hitting towards his right hip, which is the defensive side for Richmond,” Lewis said on Fox Footy.
“I think the challenge for Ryan is to understand you’re only a young ruckman, but when there is dominance in that area, be a little bit more adventurous with your taps.
“Then work with your midfielders to be more aggressive around stoppages.”
Richmond’s injury woes — particularly to its ruck stocks — have clearly hampered the club this season despite providing invaluable experience to Ryan.
But Lewis implored the youngster to “mix it up” in the ruck so his hit-outs are more challenging for the opposition to read.
Lewis said Ryan was “absolutely” too predictable throughout stages of the game that would’ve been easy for the Eagles midfielders to read.
“Absolutely (it’s been too predictable),” the Hawthorn legend added.
“If you’re an experienced midfielder, when (you’re against) undersized ruckman, the easiest way to get a clearance is to read off the opposition ruckman.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/live-afl-2023-richmond-tigers-vs-west-coast-eagles-round-8-live-scores-updates-stats-video-stream-result-news-blog/news-story/83e446c0c2ee8c986f6fe729e5cefb40
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Hmm im gunna sit back and wait for the knives to come out.
Why well simple Tiger supporters talking up a performance against an undersized third stringer who is no more of a front line ruckman than Ben Miller is.That was the beauty of playing wce this week.They have third stringers everywhere.
If at any time this year expectations on Ryan should be high it was this week.
Thing is im not having a go at Ryan i know he has a long way to go and he shows promise. Im having a go at supporters building him up on the back of what exactly.
Imo he is miles off being a decent afl ruckman yet alone a good one.Before we build em up how about a bit of context.
Fmd it was only a few weeks ago people were saying he is a kpf.We all know that is not true.
Atm he is skinny, undersized under strength and against season ruckmen it really shows.If Soldo is fit this week then he has to play as first ruck.
At the back of my mind what does concern me is the lack of agility and athleticism. The saving grace atm is he is taking a few grabs.
Me im reserving any sort of judgement on him for at least a couple of seasons.
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:lol
Surprise surprise, old Captain Misery can’t find joy in anything…
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Claw he was playing another inexperienced ruck and he was awesome.
Means we have a player.
Bailey is taller and heavier than Miller, in no way undersized.
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:lol
Surprise surprise, old Captain Misery can’t find joy in anything…
Thought it but didn't type it
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:lol
Surprise surprise, old Captain Misery can’t find joy in anything…
call me what you like but the simple fact is he played against a third string ruckman. IF that was against a seasoned even second string ruckman then i might be more enthused.
I take it we cannot take into consideration the actual competition our players come up against if it detracts from their performance.
Playing against a 199cm 96kg basically kpp of similar age what did you really expect.
So he showed he can beat third stringers great. On wards and upwards eh.
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:lol
Surprise surprise, old Captain Misery can’t find joy in anything…
call me what you like but the simple fact is he played against a third string ruckman. IF that was against a seasoned even second string ruckman then i might be more enthused.
I take it we cannot take into consideration the actual competition our players come up against if it detracts from their performance.
Playing against a 199cm 96kg basically kpp of similar age what did you really expect.
So he showed he can beat third stringers great. On wards and upwards eh.
https://www.westcoasteagles.com.au/players/1904/bailey-j-williams
He's 201/101 mate, wake up and stop carrying on like he's a Ben Miller.
Same age as Ryan, standard size for a ruck, and Ryan beat him comfortably.
I don't expect Ryan to beats the Gawns, Witts' and Grundys yet but he's beating normal rucks his own age which is a good sign for a young bloke.
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Lol, if he played 100 game but he has played less than 10, and should improve with experience, I feel encouraged
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According to Fox Footy, Samson had 12 hitouts to advantage against the Cats.
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If he was playing at another club, Claw would be singing his praises and bemoaning the fact that we don’t have any developing rucks as promising as him.
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He’s definitely first ruck for me especially at the centre. I know nank is our captain but we need him to reinvent himself in another role. In a fantasy land it would be epic if he could actually be a 3rd tall forward to act as a foil for Jack. But now that I think about it I don’t recall any recent games where he was clunking a lot of contested marks
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His mother was in fine form after the game
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His mother was in fine form after the game
Blind LMAO
:cheers :cheers :cheers
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Here's the clip of Roaming Brian with Samson's Mum:
Watch here: https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1656996334367395841
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Footy fans fall in love with the mother of Richmond Tigers' Samson Ryan as she creates hilarious post match interview
Jack Mahony
Sky News
May 13, 2023
The mother of Richmond Tigers ruckman Samson Ryan has stolen the limelight with a hilarious post match interview.
Channel 7’s Brian Taylor takes into the changerooms after matches for a segment dubbed “Roaming Brian” and Friday night left the fans in stitches.
The former AFL star walks around the rooms and often captures great moments with the players after the match but this time fans fell in love with Belinda Ryan.
“Brian! I love you I’m Samson’s mum,” she began.
Ms Ryan then jumped on the spot in excitement as Taylor began to ask her about the game as it was her first match of the season.
“How excited are you… Tell us about him (Samson),” he asked
“He’s gorgeous, he’s tall like his dad and… What do you want me to say!” Mr Ryan replied.
“We’ve come down (from Queensland) and we haven’t been to any other games this year.”
Samson’s mother also revealed she had met her son’s girlfriend for the first time at the game.
Taylor jumped at the opportunity and leant in and asked her “on the quiet” about her thoughts on the new flame.
Ms Ryan then turned around and yelled out looking for the girlfriend who happened to be standing right next to Taylor. In the commotion, Samson walked up and joined in the conversation.
With Ms Ryan, Samson and his girlfriend, Lily, all together, Taylor let the conversation roll on.
Lily said she was “very proud” of Samson who could not help but express his delight with the Tigers’ emphatic victory over the reigning premiers, Geelong.
Taylor continues to chat about the game with Samson who admitted he was nervous about Lily meeting his family.
Ms Ryan then jumped back into the frame talking about her other son, Samson’s younger brother, who nearly went down the “cricket path” before Taylor inquired with Lily about her introduction to the mother.
“Just on the quiet, what did you think of mum?” Taylor said.
“Oh she’s lovely, she’s um… plastered but lovely,” Lily replied.
Ms Ryan then jumped back in adding she was just “very passionate”.
Fans watching on adored Ms Ryan’s energy and some even suggested she ought to be given a gig on Roaming Brian.
“We need Samson Ryan's mum as a co-host of Roaming Brian from now on,” tweeted one.
“Appreciation tweet for Sampson Ryan's mum and his girlfriend, who told Roaming Brian the mum was ‘plastered’,” added another.
A third said: “This was lovely! His mum was so excited to watch her boy play! I hope they all had a great night!”.
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/sport/footy-fans-fall-in-love-with-the-mother-of-richmond-tigers-samson-ryan-as-she-creates-hilarious-post-match-interview/news-story/6c3db53b4f386a5903d8e1d6bfcdc433
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Strength of Samson: Big Tiger's ascent from NEAFL to the big time
By Sarah Black
afl.com.au
20 May 2023
IT'S BEEN a season of surprises for rising Richmond ruck Samson Ryan.
A series of injuries to Ivan Soldo, Toby Nankervis and Tom Lynch have seen the 22-year-old record eight straight games after breaking into the side in round two, and his influence has grown week by week.
Ryan was drafted as a Brisbane Lions Academy graduate on his 20th birthday, but started his junior footy on the New South Wales south coast, playing with both Pambula and the Merimbula Diggers.
The Ryan family moved north after Samson earned a cricket scholarship with Toowoomba Grammar, but football still held a place in his heart.
After graduating at the end of 2019, Ryan shifted to Canberra to play in the then-NEAFL competition, but came home when COVID-19 hit in March.
He hatched an 18-month plan with his new manager, Tim Batty, but such was his QAFL form with Sherwood over the remainder of 2020, Richmond picked him up with pick No.40 in the space of six months.
"I was still running three times a week, but I didn't really know why. There was a stage there where I was thinking, 'do I really want to be doing this?' I remember having a chat with Mum, we went for a walk, and I knew there was going to be 10 weeks of the (QAFL) footy season, and she said, just give it all you've got, and see what happens," Ryan told AFL.com.au.
"I played some alright footy against some bigger opposition, which was one of the most pleasing things for me. And I was just fortunate enough Richmond took notice."
Ryan's debut was one of mixed emotions, coming up against Paddy Ryder in the rain on a freezing night in late June, 2021, the Tigers falling 40 points short of St Kilda and booting 2.10 in the process.
His stats read zero disposals, one hitout and one free kick against, from 55 per cent game time playing as second ruck.
"I call it one of the best nights of my life, and one of the worst nights. In terms of best nights, my family was there – and that was one of the most unexpected things, I hadn't played that well the week before against Williamstown (in the VFL)," he said.
"And looking back now, I wasn't ready for it. But in saying that, the amount of learnings I had from that night was bigger than I'll ever take from playing VFL. It also showed me where I had to get to, it was a bit of a reality check in a sense."
Ruck coach Ivan Maric – "a big, friendly giant" – has been a calming and supportive influence for Ryan, particularly last year as he toiled in the VFL, but working closely with Nankervis and Jack Riewoldt has been equally vital.
"I tried a few different things in pre-season. I'm a big, nice human being, and I just tried to – I'm not sure what the word is – but really make a stance and get noticed, try and earn some respect from the boys by going really hard at the contest," Ryan said.
"It paid off, the boys started to notice me a bit more, and probably reflected in my footy as well, being able to be used and be big around the ground. I'm 207cm and over 100kg, so I need to be a bit more of a presence."
Ryan is plugging away at his uni course which he started prior to joining the AFL, studying secondary teaching with a focus on PE and maths.
"I'm still very heavily into cricket, there are some days I feel I love it more than footy. But I still love keeping tabs on it," he said.
"And we've got a pretty big golf culture here at the club, there'd be 20-25 boys that play, so usually on a day off you'd find us playing golf somewhere.
Ryan's family immediately shot into the wider footy consciousness last week after a highly entertaining post-match interview with Brian Taylor on Channel 7, following Richmond's big win over Geelong.
Taylor quickly established that Ryan's girlfriend Lily had met Ryan's mum Belinda for the first time earlier that day, and Lily affectionately said Belinda was "plastered, but lovely".
"I was 100 per cent nervous. I remember sitting down, we'd just finished the team song, and I looked up, and there's my mum talking to BT, and I was like, 'oh my God'. I was just keeping an eye on her, and I could tell she was very, very excited," Ryan said.
"I just wandered over to see if I could end the interview as quick as possible. It was quite funny, but the main thing is everyone's on good terms and everyone's very happy with each other.
"I was a bit nervous, because Lily had to meet them in the city (before the game), so I wasn't actually there when they officially met. We had a really nice weekend, which was the main thing, and it's all done, thank God."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/928163/strength-of-samson-big-tiger-s-ascent-from-neafl-to-the-big-time
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Looks like he needs a week off does the young fella.
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Looks like he needs a week off does the young fella.
Yeah he looked exhausted to me
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Was pathetic tonight unfortunately
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Every time he goes for a mark he looks like an inflated flailing arm guy at a used car dealer.
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Every time he goes for a mark he looks like an inflated flailing arm guy at a used car dealer.
The return of Wacky Flailing Arm Tube Guy Vickery? I'm prepared to give Samson a little more time...
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He just stared at the ball in front of him while a bombers player took it. He needs a spell.
Also, yeah, horrible flailing arm inflatable tube giraffe man vibes tonight. Unwatchable.
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The least of our problems, the kids played what 10 games get stuck into our senior blokes.
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The least of our problems, the kids played what 10 games get stuck into our senior blokes.
Yeah, well, all I'm suggesting is that his 11th game shouldn't be next week.
And also that if he doesn't start attacking the footy with any vigour I might have to stick a firecracker up his bum -- you know, just to see him move with some purpose and intent.
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So who do play in the ruck that’s going to be better
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Give Biggie a go
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It could be argued that tonight reflected the lack of versatility in the team. Nank comes back into the side and Samson has one of his worse games for the year played mainly as a high forward after looking promising in recent weeks when given the responsibility of first ruck.
He just stared at the ball in front of him while a bombers player took it. He needs a spell.
Also, yeah, horrible flailing arm inflatable tube giraffe man vibes tonight. Unwatchable.
This is not vision of himself Samson is going to like seeing on his review tape.
https://twitter.com/bluetiges/status/1659896890203439106
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Nank did any better. He is an embarrassment
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It could be argued that tonight reflected the lack of versatility in the team. Nank comes back into the side and Samson has one of his worse games for the year played mainly as a high forward after looking promising in recent weeks when given the responsibility of first ruck.
He just stared at the ball in front of him while a bombers player took it. He needs a spell.
Also, yeah, horrible flailing arm inflatable tube giraffe man vibes tonight. Unwatchable.
This is not vision of himself Samson is going to like seeing on his review tape.
https://twitter.com/bluetiges/status/1659896890203439106
Should have never been taken off him the ruck position that falls on Dimma bringing in Nank because his captain as Ryan and Miller looked good.
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Just play Ryan ruck that’s where he excelled and how we jagged the wins in recent weeks. The onus should be on nank who is coming back from injury and as a leader to slot himself into a different position.
Leadership is bringing out the best in others. Not self preservation and padding your own stats.
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Just play Ryan ruck that’s where he excelled and how we jagged the wins in recent weeks. The onus should be on nank who is coming back from injury and as a leader to slot himself into a different position.
Leadership is bringing out the best in others. Not self preservation and padding your own stats.
Excellent post
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Just play Ryan ruck that’s where he excelled and how we jagged the wins in recent weeks. The onus should be on nank who is coming back from injury and as a leader to slot himself into a different position.
Leadership is bringing out the best in others. Not self preservation and padding your own stats.
Excellent post
Not a bad call at all! He certainly looks better in the ruck and when he does, so do our mids.
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Agree plan Ryan in the ruck. Midseason draft select his namesake from the bullants to play forward. Retire Tarrant and also select another mid.
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Yep if he's not first ruck don't play him.
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Garry Lyon on 'On The Couch' tonight said Jack is sore and should play only once every three weeks until the end of the season and that Samson Ryan should be given the next 11 weeks playing as the No.1 forward. Even if Samson gets beaten playing on an Aliir for example it will be a huge learning experience. The last round will be about sending off Jack, Cotch & Dimma in front of 80k. Right now, it's about 2024 and beyond.
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No play Bradtke &/or hopefully a KPF from the MSD for the rest of the year with Samson first ruck. :shh
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He needs to go up with 2 arms in the air. I know he's worried about losing a bit of body in the contest but he should be able to make up for it with his giant testicles.
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Garry Lyon also seemed to get the idea from what Port are doing.
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“Port have no (Charlie) Dixon, no (Todd) Marshall, no (Mitch) Georgiades,” Lyon said.
“So you know what you do? You put a kid like Ollie Lord in there and say: ‘Ollie … I don’t care what happens, you compete and don’t you ever get outmarked’.”
“This is the reason why Port Adelaide are the best in the comp at conceding intercept marks,” Brown added.
“The kid comes in and just competes and competes and competes. His number aren’t sexy, but they would love him because he doesn’t allow intercept marks.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/it-is-a-disgrace-great-unloads-amid-badly-neglected-afl-area-and-shock-record-changing-footy/news-story/661fb23059901a0307e219aad5615e5b
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Garry Lyon also seemed to get the idea from what Port are doing.
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“Port have no (Charlie) Dixon, no (Todd) Marshall, no (Mitch) Georgiades,” Lyon said.
“So you know what you do? You put a kid like Ollie Lord in there and say: ‘Ollie … I don’t care what happens, you compete and don’t you ever get outmarked’.”
“This is the reason why Port Adelaide are the best in the comp at conceding intercept marks,” Brown added.
“The kid comes in and just competes and competes and competes. His number aren’t sexy, but they would love him because he doesn’t allow intercept marks.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/it-is-a-disgrace-great-unloads-amid-badly-neglected-afl-area-and-shock-record-changing-footy/news-story/661fb23059901a0307e219aad5615e5b
Agreed.
Forwards injured? Play a kid and tell them to step up, have a crack.
Not at Tigerland though, nope, we just get our old legends beat up and outnumbered.
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He needs to go up with 2 arms in the air. I know he's worried about losing a bit of body in the contest but he should be able to make up for it with his giant testicles.
He is getting moved out of the contest or blocked before he gets there. Doesn't seem to know how to beat that. Not sure I know the answer either. He was much better in the Ruck as around the ground he was given more room and not blocked. It could be the key to this guy until he gets more experienced.
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Ryan needs a rest fullstop. Through I had a feeling when Nank would come back from injury he would be pushed out that number one rucking role Ryan. He snd Miller we're coming along nicely we just abandoned it.
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Garry Lyon also seemed to get the idea from what Port are doing.
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“Port have no (Charlie) Dixon, no (Todd) Marshall, no (Mitch) Georgiades,” Lyon said.
“So you know what you do? You put a kid like Ollie Lord in there and say: ‘Ollie … I don’t care what happens, you compete and don’t you ever get outmarked’.”
“This is the reason why Port Adelaide are the best in the comp at conceding intercept marks,” Brown added.
“The kid comes in and just competes and competes and competes. His number aren’t sexy, but they would love him because he doesn’t allow intercept marks.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/it-is-a-disgrace-great-unloads-amid-badly-neglected-afl-area-and-shock-record-changing-footy/news-story/661fb23059901a0307e219aad5615e5b
Agreed.
Forwards injured? Play a kid and tell them to step up, have a crack.
Not at Tigerland though, nope, we just get our old legends beat up and outnumbered.
Yep even dimwit Lyon can see it. The entire rfc footy dept has missed this trick for how many years now.But don't dare criticise them for it.
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Maybe im missing it but i dont get the angst with Nankervis.Everyone loved him when we were winning games and now lose games and he is blamed when his game has hardly changed since he arrived.
Samson well clearly undersized and under strength but doing okay.They need to lock him in a room with a beef carcass and some weights.
Just on P/A yep they have Dixon, Georgiades, Marshall and still saw fit to draft but still saw fit to trade in Finlayson and draft Lord and Scully
Compare that to how we have gone about it in recent years they at least wont die wondering.
Finlayson Scully and Goegiades are all players i hoped we would have a go at but with JR and TL there they have just ignored the whole area and boy has it become dire now.
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Maybe im missing it but i dont get the angst with Nankervis.Everyone loved him when we were winning games and now lose games and he is blamed when his game has hardly changed since he arrived.
Samson well clearly undersized and under strength but doing okay.They need to lock him in a room with a beef carcass and some weights.
Just on P/A yep they have Dixon, Georgiades, Marshall and still saw fit to draft but still saw fit to trade in Finlayson and draft Lord and Scully
Compare that to how we have gone about it in recent years they at least wont die wondering.
Finlayson Scully and Goegiades are all players i hoped we would have a go at but with JR and TL there they have just ignored the whole area and boy has it become dire now.
Probably the fact we aren’t dominating and he is captain we expect him to not give away the amount of free kicks he does. Also he used to be super dependable in taking contested marks at really critical parts of the game. That part seems to have abandoned him
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Maybe im missing it but i dont get the angst with Nankervis.Everyone loved him when we were winning games and now lose games and he is blamed when his game has hardly changed since he arrived.
Samson well clearly undersized and under strength but doing okay.They need to lock him in a room with a beef carcass and some weights.
Just on P/A yep they have Dixon, Georgiades, Marshall and still saw fit to draft but still saw fit to trade in Finlayson and draft Lord and Scully
Compare that to how we have gone about it in recent years they at least wont die wondering.
Finlayson Scully and Goegiades are all players i hoped we would have a go at but with JR and TL there they have just ignored the whole area and boy has it become dire now.
The Power handed over a future third-round pick to get the key forward who kicked 44 goals in the Giants' Grand Final campaign in 2019.
too expensive claw. :lol
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Maybe im missing it but i dont get the angst with Nankervis.Everyone loved him when we were winning games and now lose games and he is blamed when his game has hardly changed since he arrived.
Samson well clearly undersized and under strength but doing okay.They need to lock him in a room with a beef carcass and some weights.
Just on P/A yep they have Dixon, Georgiades, Marshall and still saw fit to draft but still saw fit to trade in Finlayson and draft Lord and Scully
Compare that to how we have gone about it in recent years they at least wont die wondering.
Finlayson Scully and Goegiades are all players i hoped we would have a go at but with JR and TL there they have just ignored the whole area and boy has it become dire now.
The Power handed over a future third-round pick to get the key forward who kicked 44 goals in the Giants' Grand Final campaign in 2019.
too expensive claw. :lol
They paid FA for Aliir too.
Bargain trades.
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Why we didn’t make a play for Allir when he was obviously available is confusing.
In hindsight, Blair has missed some very cheap opportunities in recent seasons.
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Why we didn’t make a play for Allir when he was obviously available is confusing.
In hindsight, Blair has missed some very cheap opportunities in recent seasons.
Maybe because Port offered him 4 years on decent coin.
How do we know we didn't try and he knocked us back? Or that's right because they media report it ::)
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Why we didn’t make a play for Allir when he was obviously available is confusing.
In hindsight, Blair has missed some very cheap opportunities in recent seasons.
Traded for a future 2nd in a year that Port finished top 4 so you would think you're looking at pick 30-40.
Aged 26, same size as Rance 194/96 so plenty of years left and really in his prime.
With Astbury retiring I'm shocked we didn't have a go.
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Why we didn’t make a play for Allir when he was obviously available is confusing.
In hindsight, Blair has missed some very cheap opportunities in recent seasons.
Maybe because Port offered him 4 years on decent coin.
How do we know we didn't try and he knocked us back? Or that's right because they media report it ::)
Coming off back to back flags you would think he's be interested in us as well if we had interest of our own.
The complete lack of coverage I think means we weren't sufficiently interested.
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Speaking to some diehard Sydney fan mates, they said talent undeniable but had major attitude problems with work ethic at training etc. playing devils advocate maybe it was deemed too risky? Seems to have turned it around which is awesome for him.
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Speaking to some diehard Sydney fan mates, they said talent undeniable but had major attitude problems with work ethic at training etc. playing devils advocate maybe it was deemed too risky? Seems to have turned it around which is awesome for him.
Always looked like a Rance physique IMO.
Oh well it's too late now anyway. Always bargain trades and picks to be made here and there.
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Allir moved for more opportunity in defence. Don’t think he would have seen that with astbury, grimes, balta, broad and to a lesser extent vlas all on our list.
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Why we didn’t make a play for Allir when he was obviously available is confusing.
In hindsight, Blair has missed some very cheap opportunities in recent seasons.
Traded for a future 2nd in a year that Port finished top 4 so you would think you're looking at pick 30-40.
Aged 26, same size as Rance 194/96 so plenty of years left and really in his prime.
With Astbury retiring I'm shocked we didn't have a go.
Astbury retired at the the end of 2021. Our list wouldn’t have looked appealing at all for someone looking for more opportunities. Being b2b premiers wouldn’t mean a thing in this case.
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Why we didn’t make a play for Allir when he was obviously available is confusing.
In hindsight, Blair has missed some very cheap opportunities in recent seasons.
Traded for a future 2nd in a year that Port finished top 4 so you would think you're looking at pick 30-40.
Aged 26, same size as Rance 194/96 so plenty of years left and really in his prime.
With Astbury retiring I'm shocked we didn't have a go.
Astbury retired at the the end of 2021. Our list wouldn’t have looked appealing at all for someone looking for more opportunities. Being b2b premiers wouldn’t mean a thing in this case.
Yes but I reckon we knew Astbury was in the twilight. Aliir would have been a good player to get on board knowing he was finishing. Was never a greatly gifted athlete or player but did a serviceable job in our system, surrounded by very talented guys like Rance, Grimes and Floss.
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I think we can all agree that one attribute the next recruiter simply must have is 20/20 hindsight.
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I think we can all agree that one attribute the next recruiter simply must have is 20/20 hindsight.
:lol
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I think we can all agree that one attribute the next recruiter simply must have is 20/20 hindsight.
I'd settle for 10/20 foresight, given that our recent recruiting has been below par IMO.
I supported the recruitment of TT + JH but our drafting and/or development of late has been mediocre.
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I think we can all agree that one attribute the next recruiter simply must have is 20/20 hindsight.
:lol
In hindsight the police detective should have checked the alibi of the prime suspect.
In hindsight the mechanic should have checked the engine had oil.
In hindsight the electrician should have isolated the power before disconnecting the oven.
In hindsight the actor should have memorised his lines before the play.
What is Blair’s job again? :rollin
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Maybe im missing it but i dont get the angst with Nankervis.Everyone loved him when we were winning games and now lose games and he is blamed when his game has hardly changed since he arrived.
Samson well clearly undersized and under strength but doing okay.They need to lock him in a room with a beef carcass and some weights.
Just on P/A yep they have Dixon, Georgiades, Marshall and still saw fit to draft but still saw fit to trade in Finlayson and draft Lord and Scully
Compare that to how we have gone about it in recent years they at least wont die wondering.
Finlayson Scully and Goegiades are all players i hoped we would have a go at but with JR and TL there they have just ignored the whole area and boy has it become dire now.
Probably the fact we aren’t dominating and he is captain we expect him to not give away the amount of free kicks he does. Also he used to be super dependable in taking contested marks at really critical parts of the game. That part seems to have abandoned him
As a captain he crashes in never takes a backward step and players walk taller with him around.
I don't give a poo about the frees he will always give away frees just because of the way he plays in this pussy riddled soft game they play nowdays.
6 free kicks against last week his opponent got 7 given to him. you cannot tell me that Lycett did not give away just as many as nank did.
As for physicality not a knock on Ryan but atm he just offers none at all.
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Whilst Pickett deservedly gets the credit for kicking the winning goal, kudos to Ryan for knocking the ball to him in the marking contest. Was so important. No tap. No goal. Great signs !
https://twitter.com/smwright1965/status/1665241365838721024
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+1 to this. Showing great Ruck craft despite only playing a handful of afl games. More of a reason he needs to be our primary ruckman
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Last couple of weeks he's looked very tired
But today he found something and was solid
Well done young man :clapping
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Whilst Pickett deservedly gets the credit for kicking the winning goal, kudos to Ryan for knocking the ball to him in the marking contest. Was so important. No tap. No goal. Great signs !
https://twitter.com/smwright1965/status/1665241365838721024
Glad you mentioned it.
I did spot it in the replays - was very deliberate and beautifully done.
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With both pickett and Martin at the drop of the ball! More of that please!!!
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Highest hitouts to advantage percentage (min. 150 ruck contests attended this season):
1. Samson Ryan - 40.7%
2. Joe Daniher - 39.1%
3. Ben Miller - 38.1%
4. Marc Pittonet - 36.3%
5. Todd Goldstein - 35.8%
6. Brodie Grundy - 34.6%
https://www.facebook.com/AFLTRDON/
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McQualter post-game:
Not sure how serious. Samson played on for a couple of minutes after he hurt it [the ankle] but was ruled out at half-time. He'll go away and get scans and we'll take it from there.
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Samson on Ch 9 news tonight said he's put on 4 kgs thanks to going home to mum and "eating a lot of food" lol.
Go to 1:21 min mark: https://twitter.com/9NewsMelb/status/1724696728333627487
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Key player every AFL club must re-sign as 2024 contract priorities revealed
Catherine Healey and Ben Cotton
Fox Sports
November 16th, 2023
RICHMOND
Samson Ryan
Yes, the likes of Toby Nankervis, Jack Grimes, Dustin Martin and Dion Prestia are also out of contract, but it’s a case of either they’ll re-sign or wouldn’t be a disaster if they left (outside of perhaps Nankervis) given their age as the club moves into a new phase. Yes, the three flags in four years was an almighty effort, but it’s now time to regenerate, making Samson Ryan an important piece moving forward given the club’s relatively lean key position/tall stocks. Despite only being 15 games into his career, the 22-year old has shown flashes both in the ruck and up forward. And with Ivan Soldo’s departure and Jack Riewoldt’s retirement, Ryan becomes all the more important, he just needs the time to settle.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2023-every-clubs-contract-priority-for-2024-most-important-player-to-resign-out-of-contract-deals-offers-analysis-latest-news/news-story/3800ce62d5a79944a068b969ce7045e4
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Has he gained strength though. Has he found some intensity as well.
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Has he gained strength though. Has he found some intensity as well.
Still a kid in ruck terms, rucks peake at 25 mate have a look around the league kid's tracking well.
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Key player every AFL club must re-sign as 2024 contract priorities revealed
Catherine Healey and Ben Cotton
Fox Sports
November 16th, 2023
RICHMOND
Samson Ryan
Yes, the likes of Toby Nankervis, Jack Grimes, Dustin Martin and Dion Prestia are also out of contract, but it’s a case of either they’ll re-sign or wouldn’t be a disaster if they left (outside of perhaps Nankervis) given their age as the club moves into a new phase. Yes, the three flags in four years was an almighty effort, but it’s now time to regenerate, making Samson Ryan an important piece moving forward given the club’s relatively lean key position/tall stocks. Despite only being 15 games into his career, the 22-year old has shown flashes both in the ruck and up forward. And with Ivan Soldo’s departure and Jack Riewoldt’s retirement, Ryan becomes all the more important, he just needs the time to settle.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2023-every-clubs-contract-priority-for-2024-most-important-player-to-resign-out-of-contract-deals-offers-analysis-latest-news/news-story/3800ce62d5a79944a068b969ce7045e4
When did our Co Captain Dylan Grimes change his name to Jack. These media numpties, really don't havea clue.
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Has he gained strength though. Has he found some intensity as well.
Still a kid in ruck terms, rucks peake at 25 mate have a look around the league kid's tracking well.
just stating what are quite clearly his deficiencies to date.
Size and subsequent strength are things that can be worked on but mongrel and intensity cannot be taught you either have it or you don't.
All these things are things that have to improve. for a 206cm ruckman he is pushed around far too easily and won't make it if he cannot be better in these things. He is what 23 in december and while still young is hardly a kid anymore.
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Which of today’s ruckmen have mongrel?
Max Gawn?
Tim English?
Todd Goldstein?
Oscar Mcinerney?
Grundy?
Jackson from freo ? Maybe
Reily O’Brien?
Mark Blicavs?
That’s all I can think of at the moment
I think our boy Nank tops the current list in the AFL for mongrel
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Which of today’s ruckmen have mongrel?
Max Gawn?
Tim English?
Todd Goldstein?
Oscar Mcinerney?
Grundy?
Jackson from freo ? Maybe
Reily O’Brien?
Mark Blicavs?
That’s all I can think of at the moment
I think our boy Nank tops the current list in the AFL for mongrel
Jarrod Witts?
Sean Darcy?
Rowan Marshall?
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Posted on twitter:
Size put on
Good signs
Gonna be a gun
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_l4ronakAA4Qr4?format=jpg&name=900x900) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_l4r8XagAADx75?format=jpg&name=900x900)
https://twitter.com/justwebby98/status/1727544634040279149
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Which of today’s ruckmen have mongrel?
Max Gawn?
Tim English?
Todd Goldstein?
Oscar Mcinerney?
Grundy?
Jackson from freo ? Maybe
Reily O’Brien?
Mark Blicavs?
That’s all I can think of at the moment
I think our boy Nank tops the current list in the AFL for mongrel
Jarrod Witts?
Sean Darcy?
Rowan Marshall?
Steve O’Dwyer 🥴🫣
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THE PLAYER FROM YOUR AFL CLUB WHO IS SET TO EXPLODE IN 2024
Andrew Slevison
SEN
24 November 2023
(https://images.ctfassets.net/u8w3l566ay8a/XJY56qJcUzAA8ZfxfZGXm/dee60ab55a43a51073c88025240384b2/AFL_Club_banners_-_2022-10-12T153956.739.png)
Samson Ryan
The Tigers don’t have an obvious standout in this category.
Emerging ruck/forward Ryan is now entering his fourth season in the system and after a promising 2023, could break through next year.
Ryan kicked 12 goals from 14 games and averaged 12 hit-outs and seven disposals last year. While he may not pick up huge numbers, he could improve that to somewhere around 20 goals now that Jack Riewoldt has retired, as well as improving to 10-12 disposals and 15 hit-outs as Toby Nankervis’ ruck support.
He has only played 15 AFL games but certainly has the scope to step up a level in 2024. While he may not quite explode, we’re backing Ryan to somewhat break out next year.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/11/24/the-player-from-your-afl-club-who-is-set-to-explode-in-2024/
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Samson turned 23 today :birthday. A big year for him next year. Hopefully a breakout one.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GA39f12bEAA7Dtg?format=jpg&name=900x900)
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1733320162324205835
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I'm not convinced that this guy has any real talent and has as about as much coordination as a baby giraffe. :rollin
I did like that one kick out to the player on the wing. :thumbsup
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Needs to be able to take a mark it’s as simple as that. He can be the best tap ruckman our clubs ever seen, but if he can’t contribute outside of those few seconds where there is a stoppage then he won’t make it.
In saying that, just keep getting games into him until the end of the season. If there’s no improvement shown by then, then he’d be lucky to still be on our list although I’d expect him to get another year just on sheer positional need.
I know they say big blokes take longer to develop, but he’ll be 24 by the end of the year. Surely it’s now or never.
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Not a forward and plays better when he's the #1 ruck...already proved that a year ago.... :shh
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Not a forward and plays better when he's the #1 ruck...already proved that a year ago.... :shh
True but last night he was even poor in the ruck
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You’ve still gotta be able to mark the footy as a ruckman. Bail out kick down the line, dropping back in defence and stints up forward.
Ryan’s struggling to take uncontested marks let alone contested marks. Then again not like nank was any better in that regard last night.
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nank was a disgrace tonight. How he is he captain is mind boggling to me
Ryan was poor. He has to show the can take grabs or he is finished. Play him in the ruck FFS.
I think its his worse game since his first game. In fact its one of the worse games ive seen anyone play by anyone.
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Thought it was one of Nank's better games actually and I'm one of his biggest critics since he's been captain...but odds on he'll be crap again next week and the next good one won't for another 6 rounds....need to move on from him and just let Samson sink or swim for the rest of the year then reassess at season's end....unless we find someone better on Wednesday.... :shh
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Sampson doesn’t have the size or heart to play in the ruck or at AFL level. When he’s not getting pushed off the ball, he’s simply losing his feet and falling over. I actually feel for the kid as it feels to me like the selectors have misplaced faith in his abilities which he knows he doesn’t possess.
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Not up to it unfortunately and seems to be going backwards.
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That dropped chest mark was a shocker
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Gets a block of games for me like all the youngsters who come in. Yeah made a few mistakes, but who didn't. Take into consideration his game to 50% on the ground.
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He is a while off but we have the luxury of being able to play him in a block of games that will help him. Samson has to be developed otherwise we literally have zero options up forward for the future. I am loving the Lefau story, but at his absolute best and ceiling he'd be a depth forward in a top 4 side. We need 3 young KP forwards to start the rebuild, ideally 4 so we have a 50% success rate. of getting 2 decent ones, if we only unearth one we can go free agency.
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Look most of the criticism of him is warranted and I'm not saying he'll definitely make it but some of its just the usual goldfish memory revisionist hyperbole that you get on footy forums - the assertion that he's never shown anything at AFL level shows some either didn't watch or have conveniently forgotten last year when he was playing while Nank & Soldo were both out and it was the best actual ruck work we'd seen from a Tigers big man since Ottens or that one good year Jake the Snake had in '08....hell everyone's -rightly- raving about Lefau's 12 goals in 9 games ...well Samson had 12 goals after 11 games last year....and I don't even rate him as forward.... :shh
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Mentioning our modern great ruckman can’t believe you don’t mention the big knob, Trent Knobel
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I thought he improved markedly in 2023
But so far in 2024, even at VFL level I'm yet to see improvement. I don't think he's gone backwards just reckon he's stagnated a bit
Yesterday was a great example 2 almost marks, one that literally bounced off his hands (could have been a chest mark) and a pack mark on the goal square, in 2023 he would taken both. Watching the replay today he never looked like taking either. The other thing I was wanting to see was improvement in his 2nd efforts, unfortunately they still seem a long way off
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Showed no improvement in the VFL? Come on
Give him a block of games like some of the other duds received then run a line through him if it warrants.
He played a shocker last night
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Showed no improvement in the VFL? Come on
Give him a block of games like some of the other duds received then run a line through him if it warrants.
He played a shocker last night
Agree he needs a block of games.
Maybe a combination of stage fright ( massive game at the MCG) immaturity and pressure.
A block of games to give him confidence.
You may also note that he did some nice things ( not statistics wise) which teammates including Dusty went up and high fived him.
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Showed no improvement in the VFL? Come on
Give him a block of games like some of the other duds received then run a line through him if it warrants.
He played a shocker last night
IMHO
At VFL level as a ruckman he's shown his tap work has improved slightly (it's always been good) but his round the ground work IMV hasn't. Same with his forward work he should be clunking big pack big marks and still doesn't as often as he should. In one on one contests against smaller opponents he gets out bodied too easily.
I watched him closely a few weeks ago at Coburg, his body work or lack there of stood out like a beacon.
He's a big lad, needs to get get aggressive
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We can give him a block of games - particularly this year but it is unlikely to disprove the current narrative on his career at AFL level.
The main disappointment has been his lack of progression physically, was getting pushed off the contest far too easily. Wafted in and out of contests like a feather.
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We can give him a block of games - particularly this year but it is unlikely to disprove the current narrative on his career at AFL level.
The main disappointment has been his lack of progression physically, was getting pushed off the contest far too easily. Wafted in and out of contests like a feather.
okay good we agree then he has work to do. How it will be is how it will be, so lets revisit after the block.
by the way how has nank gone this year? Dominating has he been?
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Maybe we need to give him an injection of Jack Dyer enzyme/chromosome mix?
Plus some gym work and send him on a commando/mma course
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He needs a block of games .
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If a complete shyte truck like Lamington Dow can get 13 games in a row - going back to last year - then surely Ryan or any other kid for that matter can be afforded more than just a couple.. :shh
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If a complete shyte truck like Lamington Dow can get 13 games in a row - going back to last year - then surely Ryan or any other kid for that matter can be afforded more than just a couple.. :shh
Let’s not set a standard through Tommy Dow….
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Tell that to the match committee, not me... :shh
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Much better this week. Clunked some marks at both ends :clapping
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Played better than nank
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Played better than nank
Not surprising.... :shh
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Played better than nank
Not surprising.... :shh
:shh :shh :shh :shh :shh
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Should have played all year, madness we played Naismith for a few games instead.
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:angel:
Should have played all year, madness we played Naismith for a few games instead.
Yep :shh :shh :shh
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laughable some on here, and the exceptional match committee we currently have preferred Naismith over Ryan.
May or may not make it but he plays the year. Grew in confidence as the game went on.
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Naismith was bought in to cover Nank not to play in tandem with him but we did it anyway...and even that first game when he was covering Nank he was still stuffing useless... :shh
No reason Sampson shouldn't make it - people lack patience with young rucks, most aren't prodigies like Gawn and even he didn't really come on until he was Ryan's age.....he'll probably never be a bullying hulk but he doesn't need to be and it would only slow him down - has the height, leap, agiltiy and tap skills....will be up & down until Nank leaves/is dropped and he assumes the #1 mantle....already plays better when Nank's not there and he's the main guy.... :shh :shh
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Was better yes but a ruck marking ball on his chest multiple times doesn’t happen in under 13’s let alone AFL level….
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Can argue whether it was intentional or not but it's actually the smart thing to do when it's wet....also bear in mind he's generally been at his poorest in those conditions up until last night so that's another tick in his favour.... :shh
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Was better yes but a ruck marking ball on his chest multiple times doesn’t happen in under 13’s let alone AFL level….
Agree but that is largely a confidence thing.
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Doesnt look to be a forwards arse hole. Imo we need to replace Colina, OH-B Naismith and Ryan.
If we are to play him give him a run in the ruck and rest Nankervis. Lets see if he can offer enough in that role.
Personally with the injury to Lefau id like to see them play all of Bauer, Blight, Grey and Kosichitzke
Maybe our hand is forced and we now play Balta, Bauer and Grey forward and partner Miller with Blight and Kosi. Ruck Ryan.
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Doesnt look to be a forwards arse hole. Imo we need to replace Colina, OH-B Naismith and Ryan.
If we are to play him give him a run in the ruck and rest Nankervis. Lets see if he can offer enough in that role.
Personally with the injury to Lefau id like to see them play all of Bauer, Blight, Grey and Kosichitzke
Maybe our hand is forced and we now play Balta, Bauer and Grey forward and partner Miller with Blight and Kosi. Ruck Ryan.
Honestly, I like it. Kosi isn't bad a ruck relief IMHO and we know Balta could rotate with Ryan for relief too.
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LMAO - never seen a young ruck scrutinised so heavily about his ability as a stuffing forward....seriously even the best ruck/forwards might kick a bag once in a blue moon but aren't blokes you'd want exclusively in the forward role or to be your main target up there for most of the game unless every other option was unavailable......and if you still need to see what he offers when Nank is out then you clearly weren't watching early last year when that actually happened and he played his best games for the club.... :shh
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LMAO - never seen a young ruck scrutinised so heavily about his ability as a stuffing forward....seriously even the best ruck/forwards might kick a bag once in a blue moon but aren't blokes you'd want exclusively in the forward role or to be your main target up there for most of the game unless every other option was unavailable......and if you still need to see what he offers when Nank is out then you clearly weren't watching early last year when that actually happened and he played his best games for the club.... :shh
You seem to defend Ryan a lot, do you know the kid or something ?
I agree with the sentiment that he deserves a fair run at it, but his absolute lack of intent around the contest and lack of ability to really impact in any way other than tapping the ball is just profound.
I mean he’s sort of like Dow isn’t he ? Too soft, shows little to no intent and struggles to find a way to impact the game. With all that said I thought he actually took a few steps forward against the cats. Just let him play till the end of the year and make a call
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So impatient here his the least if our issues yeah he has weaknesses, but alot to like to.
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Well he is played as a ruck/fwd and he has been almost non existant in most games. The expectation is the odd goal and for gods sake a few contested marks or at this stage just be competetive in the marking contest. We all know atm when the ball hits the ground he is a passenger.
Those few mythical games you constantly go on about from last year which was four games where Nankervis did not play from round six to nine ? They were okay but he was beaten in all of them. If you think he was a better option than Nankervis then you are being no disrespect delusional. I think Miller did better in two of those games.
At no stage has he shown himself to be a better option than Nankervis or Niasmith or even Soldo for that matter purely as a ruckman.
Hence he has struggled to get games in front of all of them none are world beaters.
One can only hope he gets their and i really do hope he can take his game up a few levels but im not gunna sugar coat where i think he is at atm. The solution has been to play him as a ruck forward to get games into him but well you said it thats been a fail and i think most would agree he needs to be played purely as a ruckman
Forget about the forward part of it, he is not a forward i think you agree.
Apart from some glimpses, he has shown bugger all at the level as a ruckman in the vast majority of games he has played.
FMD every man and his dog criticised Soldo, not for his ruckwork, because of all the other areas he was deficient in. same can be said for Samson atm.
Those so called fantastic four games that has you insisting he is a future champion ruckman is nothing special either.
He was beaten in all of them and while he showed good signs was mostly well below what others actually offer.
He played against Gawn and Grundy and not surprising was well beaten and next up he played against Witts and Witts was dominant again not surprising.
The two games he did real well in was against williams from wce a kpf playing ruck because of injuries i thought Williams better over all. The other one was against Ceglar from Geelong an aging third string ruckman att and again while he did well lost that battle imo.
That gap and performance between average and Quality opposition says it all in a way.
You go on about Nankervis but the difference in output competetiveness, toughness, ability is literally the length of the flemington straight.
He doesnt play first ruck simply because he is nowhere near the level of Nankervis or for that matter Naismith as a ruckman.
We are all hoping he can CONSISTENTLY get somewhere close to it and soon..
So far to date he would have to be one of the worst rated ruckmen in the entire comp thats okay to a point they take time to develop we all understand that.
He turns 24 this year he consistently fails to take marks that he should, he is still constantly pushed around by smaller opponents, his output is way too often very limited and most games he is a total liability once the ball is on the ground.
Thats not a criticism its just what has happened so far, its a pretty obvious observation based on what has happened so far.
Im all for playing him as a ruckman even for the rest of the year, but i really am hoping the club in particular are not thinking he is going to be a great ruckman., At this stage imo it would be very prudent to get a another genuine young ruckman with potential on the list rather just hoping Ryan will turn it all around and become something that doesnt look likely atm, or the two basketballers will be something special.
Simple fact is i just dont see it with him i really hope im missing something for me he needs to show some real improvement in areas he has been poor in and shown little improvement in.
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Well he is played as a ruck/fwd and he has been almost non existant in most games. . The expectation is the odd goal and for gods sake
I'd say for a ruckman and against the gold standard as well as current & former teammates he's tracking pretty nicely on that front so far....
Nankervis 37 goals from 147 games @ 0.3
Gawn - 105 from 215 @ 0.5
Grundy - 71 from 205 @ 0.3
Soldo 28 from 64 @ 0.4
Witts - 36 from 134 @ 0.2
English - 70 from 120 @ 0.6
Ryan 14 from 18 @ 0.8
:shh
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Well he is played as a ruck/fwd and he has been almost non existant in most games. . The expectation is the odd goal and for gods sake
I'd say for a ruckman and against the gold standard as well as current & former teammates he's tracking pretty nicely on that front so far....
Nankervis 37 goals from 147 games @ 0.3
Gawn - 105 from 215 @ 0.5
Grundy - 71 from 205 @ 0.3
Soldo 28 from 64 @ 0.4
Witts - 36 from 134 @ 0.2
English - 70 from 120 @ 0.6
Ryan 14 from 18 @ 0.8
:shh
This is going to be fun :lol
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"wE jUsT wAnT tHe OdD gOaL fOr GoDs SaKe!" :propeller
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"wE jUsT wAnT tHe OdD gOaL fOr GoDs SaKe!" :propeller
:cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Luke Jackson 0.72
Sean Darcy 0.41
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:shh
Sam Darcy the outlier - 1.4 goals a game...but he hasn't rucked all that much yet, is a freak and will be a superstar... :shh :shh
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Not his goal kicking. He’s done quite well in that regard especially considering he doesn’t look like a natural forward.
Issue for me has always been his contest work, specifically his marking. Around the ground work is just as if not more important for rucks these days and while I can’t imagine his ground game will get much better, he absolutely must at the very least improve his aerial game significantly.
Was much better in this regard on Saturday so hopefully it’s a sign of things to come.
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All you guys are looking for a super star, Samson is what we’ve got, he is doing OK, cut him some slack FFS.
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Ryan is developing- surly this can acknowledged. He is not the final product as he is only 23 and still filling out his frame. His tap work and goal kicking are his greatest assets and he moves around the ground well enough. Once he develops and learns how to hold his ground he will become a sufficient player. Let's see what the 2025 version looks like before discarding him.
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At 23 he needs to be starting to hit his straps and cement a spot IMO
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Bringing absolutely everything to ground. If he can start clunking some, then we’ll really be talking.
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Been a liability in this last qtr
Fancy getting out marked by a bloke a foot shorter :banghead
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Agree, really poor tonight.
Will struggle to hold his spot next week
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He’s useless. Been saying it for 2 years
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Better ruck than forward option. But, big question for me is: in a professional sporting environment where physical development is as important as skill development, why is no one concerned this bloke isn’t adding weight to his frame???’
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He’s useless. Been saying it for 2 years
I agree.
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Better ruck than forward option. But, big question for me is: in a professional sporting environment where physical development is as important as skill development, why is no one concerned this bloke isn’t adding weight to his frame???’
He just needs to build his core strength and gain some definition in his arms.....that's all Edwards did ....still had chicken legs right until the end... :shh
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1 effing mark.
Pathetic.
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Been a liability in this last qtr
Fancy getting out marked by a bloke a foot shorter :banghead
Did anyone hear my screams all the way from WA when that happened ?? 😂
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Been a liability in this last qtr
Fancy getting out marked by a bloke a foot shorter :banghead
Did anyone hear my screams all the way from WA when that happened ?? 😂
Dunno but in the C7 broadcast on FTA I could hear some tosser telling almost non-stop. Dunno if it was the coach on a bench etc but geez it was annoying
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Seriously not worried and still have faith...must keep playing him....... :shh
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Man, I’ve been very critical of him and thought he did well at least for the first three quarters. Seems like I’m very much in the minority. Maybe my expectations for him are just too low now.
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Definitely better last 2 weeks but looks a little way off it for mine…
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Has to start clunking some marks
He's not going to mark everything but struth there were some last night he should have taken, no excuses.
Been incredibly frustrating to watch this year.
With Kosi likely to be an out through suspension this week reckon he holds his spot...just...
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His getting better by the week. Keep playing him and getting games into him.
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All I can say to half the comments in this thread:
(https://y.yarn.co/d1c02eeb-14e8-430a-9b2f-465b7b492e32_text.gif)
:shh
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So now people who are only commenting on his performances nothing more, and any one who is honest with themselves would at least acknowledge those performances have been mostly way below standard are now impatient.
Gunna be interesting hearing what people say if he does not improve. Then peoples patience will rightly run out.
206cm is he a ruck or is he a key forward ?. He is hardly a kid either he turns 24 this year and should be playing better and more consistently than he is.
Either way not able to mark and do nothing when the ball is on the ground limits his ability to play.
Being slow and not actually showing a lot of agility and constantly being pushed around by smaller opponents Still. If it was not a favorite by god they would be copping it from a few here.
The above is not a criticism it is a simple commentary on his performances. Would anyone argue he needs to significantly improve and that he should be more advanced developed than what he is.
Koschitzke is the same age a tall yes they take time but he cops it big time for not clunking marks, not being involved dadadadada yet those who rip into him are very quite on the exact same things with Ryan. I think there is a lot of double standards going on around here.
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3 Years for Samson
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1586255/samson-ryan-signs-on
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Fair enough given we don’t have any other rucks ( don’t expect Naismith to hang around ) but geez I hope they aren’t paying him much. Has done basically SFA in his time. Would want him to really come on next year.
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Overs imo. I’ve never been convinced personally, happy to be proven wrong of course but thought a 1 maybe max. 2 year contract would be offered given our ruck stocks aren’t large.
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3?
Why?
I'd be going 1-2 but apparently Cats were sniffing around.
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Cats are welcome to him.
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I really doubt that. They’ve already got a young prospective ruck. 1-2 was plenty.
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Lol three years ah well its now or never with him.
Is not an outright key forward. Only as ruck he will make it imo.
fmd people complain about the suggestion we play Balta Bauer and while lynch is shot Kossie. tall dinosaurs rarely work as forwards even as rucks now days.
He needs to be locked away in an abbatoir kitchen with a set of weights. Lets address what needs ddressing. How do we teach people to jump though.
In being so critical im still happy to give him another season but i would be targeting another young ruckman based on odds.
Our back ups behind the soon to be 30 year old nankervis is 31 yr old always injured Naismith, With a good run with injury this bloke more than likely would have been a very servicable AFL ruckman.
Ryan who has done sweet stuff all at the level and we are sitting back waiting and waiting praying. Then two freakin basketballers who lets face it are a free role at experimenting. The odds again.
What sort of list management is that?
If we keep Ryan please lets not put all the eggs in one basket on someone who has struggled so much to even have an impact at the level.
Every one had better be sending messages to god praying that he can make the step. Because that seems to be the way we are going about this.
Sorry for the rant for me next year is 100% make or break. He had damn well better work on all the weaknesses that are on show so far.
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3 Years for Samson
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1586255/samson-ryan-signs-on
:facepalm :chuck :noway :badidea
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3 Years for Samson
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1586255/samson-ryan-signs-on
:facepalm :chuck :noway :badidea
Will stay on the list longer than Plodsell.... :shh
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Given we dropped a very promising kpd and moved our best tall forward to defense to fit him im surprised there are no comments on his game.
The silence says it all really.
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Still no where near afl level.
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He desperately needs to get at minimum 2nd efforts into his game.
Again today far too often there weren't any
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Needs a big summer in the gym and some speed training
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Needs to stop going for marks one handed.
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Thank goodness we signed him for three years
No doubt two wouldn’t have done the trick
Couldn’t have this juggernaut in opposing colours
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Thank goodness we signed him for three years
No doubt two wouldn’t have done the trick
Couldn’t have this juggernaut in opposing colours
1 was enough, 2 was overs, 3 just bizarre
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He might turn into a ruck,big blokes take time, I’m not sure he has what it takes to be a key forward
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He might turn into a ruck,big blokes take time, I’m not sure he has what it takes to be a key forward
If your ruckman can’t take a mark then you’re in trouble.
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True , he can take a mark but get pushed around too easily , need to get him on the weights
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3 possessions?
Makes a baby giraffe look coordinated in comparison.
Cringe x ♾️
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Was wet but he is miles away from getting another contract after the one he just signed. Needs to be best 22 next contract.
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Was wet but he is miles away from getting another contract after the one he just signed. Needs to be best 22 next contract.
Well he’s got 3 bloody years to get there I guess.
Still dunno how someone looked at his body of work and thought yup 3 years is the go.
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Was wet but he is miles away from getting another contract after the one he just signed. Needs to be best 22 next contract.
Well he’s got 3 bloody years to get there I guess.
Still dunno how someone looked at his body of work and thought yup 3 years is the go.
Yep
Two wouldn’t have got it done
Other clubs were sniffing :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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have to go back to round 12 2023 to find the last time he cracked more than 10 disposals.
Since then has had played nine games and gone at 6,4,5,2,5,8,8,6,and 3 disposals a game.
Thats
42 disposals at 4.6 a game.
68 Hit outs at 7.5 a game.
18 Marks at 2.0 a game
4 contested marks at 0.4 a game.
3 goals at 0.33 a game.
He got a good run with Nankervis concussed after half time and was basically pushed around by Jordan freakin Sweet.
This cannot be sustained he has to go back to the ressies. He needs all of the off season in a butchers shop eating steaks and pumping weights.
Clock is ticking age 24. Gets a three year contract ,with what he has delivered so far that is unforgivable.
Should have laid it all out to him no kid gloves just honest. Not good enough so far heres a one year contract with a two year option if you meet certain criteria.
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Ryan will never be a fwd.
As a ruck he just doesn't have the aggression or the desire to compete. All the best ruckmen compete hard and impose themselves on the contest. Ryan does neither and I dont think that can be taught. He's just a soft little boy in a big mans body and there's nothing wrong with that, but he isnt cut out for AFL footy.
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3 years was ridiculous.
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Rubbish player. :thumbsdown
I cannot see even one attribute. :help
At this point I'd prefer Tom Derrickx
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Complete rubbish. stuffen moron gave this stuffwit a 3 year contract
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Yep completely useless. One of the worst I’ve ever seen
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Complete rubbish. stuffen moron gave this stuffwit a 3 year contract
3 was essential
Others were sniffing around
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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I thought today was his best game for the year. At least showed some intent at the source.
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I think he is improving, slowly
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As much as I don't think he's any good, I was glad (or shocked) to see he took 6 marks. :rollin
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Samson's stats today:
14 disposals (6k, 8h, 6c, 8u, 71.4%)
6 marks
4 tackles (1 F50 tackle)
5 clearances (3 centre clearances)
2 inside 50s
163m gained
13 hitouts
2 frees for
3 frees against
2 intercepts
5 score involvements
1 behind
79% time on ground
In terms of fantasy points, he was ranked as our 8th best.
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Yep - plays better without Nank......still a ways to go but reckon a lotta flogs are gonna look mighty stupid when he's 26/27.... :shh
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Showed he is a ruck and not a forward again today , will get better with experience , liked his tackling .
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Richmond seems bizarrely cursed with this 2nd/Ruck forward pursuit. for a brief period of time we had one of the best ever in ottens and we absolutely failed in that ruck/fwd player ever since with vickery, Griffith to name a couple. That being said is a hybrid ottens type too much of a pipedream? Like how many in the league do we have which are legit A grade?
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Some interesting comments here
I thought he was average bordering on poor.
Got towelled up in ruck but thought his intensity was better this week
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Stats make his game look better than it was.
Had multiple opportunities to take important marks early and dropped them all. Zero second efforts.
One year extension would have been plenty.
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I could be wrong but I don’t think there were any contested marks in his 6. All of them were chest marks from short kicks around the ground which I guess is still an improvement. I just can’t fathom someone 205cm being so uncompetitive aerially.
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If he could work on his hand strength, upper body, arms and do some sprint training over summer that would help
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Definately needs to be developed as a ruckman.
He is so far behind Nankervis in this he will have to be patient and develop mostly in the two's.
I just don't see it with him though and i really hope we don't place all of our long term ruck hopes into him.
As stated far too often he needs a massive increase in size and strength. He also needs to learn to mark the ball at afl level.
He needs to be far more competetive than what he has shown to date.
Looks totally uncoordinated and is a serious passenger when the ball is on the ground. All this and he turns 24 this year.
Not delist time no problems with him getting another year but i certainly have a problem with three.
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Yes 3 years too many but maybe other clubs offering him 2??
I'm just sick of him being pushed around, time to put on some muscle.
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If he could work on his hand strength, upper body, arms and do some sprint training over summer that would help
Also ....... ability, skill, agility, hand eye coordination and footy smarts. :rollin
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Put down the opera glasses and extract the digit
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If he could work on his hand strength, upper body, arms and do some sprint training over summer that would help
Also ....... ability, skill, agility, hand eye coordination and footy smarts. :rollin
I think that’s a ridiculous post. Agree with people saying he’s going to struggle to make it but putting him down like that is unnecessary.
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(https://gifdb.com/images/high/patience-498-x-308-gif-xowbiu3d8u992d25.gif)
:shh
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Talented athlete Jem Ryan picks cricket over Richmond
In a different life Jem Ryan could be playing in the AFL. Jem briefly trialled with Richmond Tigers, the club that drafted his brother Samson in 2020, but his true sporting love ultimately won out.
https://www.thechronicle.com.au/sport/young-stars-decision-to-pick-cricket-over-aussie-rules-pays-off/news-story/986414f1be58e3bab4972cab3252802a
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GeGQ87nakAY5tJW?format=jpg&name=small)
Video: https://x.com/opDEADMEM3/status/1864938330200379718