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Re: Dustin Martin [merged]
« Reply #2250 on: September 16, 2013, 01:55:13 PM »
Jon Ralph's take. Interesting
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Dustin Martin a wild child, but also a huge talent and will be a huge loss to Richmond
by: Jon Ralph
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•September 16, 2013 12:54PM
ANALYSIS:

DUSTIN Martin is almost certainly gone from Richmond, and it is difficult to know what to think.

Is it the blow to Richmond's midfield that will put their premiership hopes back years?

Or have they dodged a bullet, moving on a player who was only one big weekend or controversy away from disaster?

The gut feel is that we will only know when Richmond is compensated for the loss of a former pick three who is about to explode as a player.

If the Tigers could acquire Melbourne's pick two given the likely interest of Paul Roos, it is a body blow, but not a fatal one.

If Martin decides he will march into the pre-season draft to be picked up by GWS, it is a disaster on a grand scale.

His slashing first half against Carlton showed the player he will become as a 25-year-old when he develops a tank: a tough inside-ball monster who can finish and run and carry, and just about do it all.

For so long this contract saga has been a case of high-level brinkmanship and nothing more.

Richmond was prepared to pay $500,000 a year for a player already coming off a big deal, and his manager Ralph Carr wanted $600,000.

Carr shopped him around to all and sundry, and the rivals refused to bite, so sure were they that he would stay.

But now that he has officially told Richmond he wants to consider other options, it is hard to know how he stays at Punt Rd.

Could this just be Richmond biting back hard, happily releasing the news to call Martin’s bluff?

Perhaps, but if it is just a tactic it has plenty of risk associated with it.

Now all of those rivals who believed he was never really leaving will now seriously consider him.

Why wouldn't Carlton decide that they could get him and Dale Thomas, and transform their midfield?

Why wouldn't Paul Roos decide he is the man to turn Martin around?

Why wouldn't GWS say that they are prepared to take a risk on a wild child, especially given inside midfielder Taylor Adams will be heading back to Melbourne?

As far back as last November the Herald Sun reported that the club continued to counsel him about his erratic behaviour, warning him that he would not be contracted again if he failed to knuckle down.

The Tigers were worried about the company he kept, the repeated late-night sightings, and the total lack of contrition when the club pulled him in to discipline him.

But he was seen to have pulled his head in, seen to have concentrated hard on devoting himself to a professional lifestyle.

The only good news for Richmond is that his brilliant season will only increase his trade value.
 
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Re: Dustin Martin [merged]
« Reply #2251 on: September 16, 2013, 02:04:30 PM »
MAY Leave, come on boys get in his ear!!!!
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Re: Dustin Martin [merged]
« Reply #2252 on: September 16, 2013, 02:05:15 PM »
If Carlton can afford to pay overs for Thomas as a free agent and then another 600 for Martin on top of all their other players and we are apparently scraping the barrel for money in the salary cap something is seriously wrong!

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Re: Dustin Martin [merged]
« Reply #2253 on: September 16, 2013, 02:06:20 PM »
What ever Dustin....don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Proved what a dumbass he was with the ridiculous "jailbird" salute.

I remember Micheal Gardiner did the same thing ....a year latter the former # 1 draft pick was sacked by WCE.

Reckon Martin might suffer the same fate one day.






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Re: Dustin Martin [merged]
« Reply #2254 on: September 16, 2013, 02:07:12 PM »
Just heard on the radio the ferals are starting to gather at Punt Road ala the Ben Cousins night, gonna try and force the club to sign him  ;D

Ahh Tigers

That would be embarrassing  :-[

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Re: Dustin Martin [merged]
« Reply #2255 on: September 16, 2013, 02:11:21 PM »
Pick 1 and nothing else for THAT DOG!

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Re: Dustin Martin [merged]
« Reply #2256 on: September 16, 2013, 02:13:24 PM »
Just heard on the radio the ferals are starting to gather at Punt Road ala the Ben Cousins night, gonna try and force the club to sign him  ;D

Ahh Tigers

That would be embarrassing  :-[

Agree we have grown so much on and off the field. Acts like these just reflect badly on the club and its supporters given the positivity we have had this season. Real morons.

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Re: Dustin Martin [merged]
« Reply #2257 on: September 16, 2013, 02:16:55 PM »
If Carlton can afford to pay overs for Thomas as a free agent and then another 600 for Martin on top of all their other players and we are apparently scraping the barrel for money in the salary cap something is seriously wrong!

Yep, considering they have 3 x number 1 picks, Judd and a plethora of other 1st round picks...

Dockers are the same, full of guns and yet always have the capacity to go for a big signing.

or maybe we've just been very bad at this game and pay the bottom end of our list too much?

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Re: Dustin Martin [merged]
« Reply #2258 on: September 16, 2013, 02:17:24 PM »
As much as I loved dusty, we needed to make this stand as a club. He is asking way overs for where he is at.
Let's hope this is a watershed Geelong moment, adding to that if he doesn't want to be at Richmond then f him.

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Re: Dustin Martin [merged]
« Reply #2259 on: September 16, 2013, 02:18:18 PM »
If Carlton can afford to pay overs for Thomas as a free agent and then another 600 for Martin on top of all their other players and we are apparently scraping the barrel for money in the salary cap something is seriously wrong!

I reckon we are not. I reckon we are well under but the club is banking on, on field success and therefore increased $$$ to players as real on field success occurs. Top 4, GF, Flags. Club has a plan and is not budging and Dusty's manager knows this but is looking to get his hands on these $$$ before the success.

As I have mentioned I applaud the club on not budging its stance and I believe not doing so will be a reason why we will actually succeed on field over the next few years. See ya later Dusty.

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Re: Dustin Martin [merged]
« Reply #2260 on: September 16, 2013, 02:20:53 PM »
Gee some fairly ordinary comments coming through on this thread. And you question his character  :wallywink

If he goes, we need to do a good deal, simple as that.
If he walks into the PSD, it isn't ideal but not the end of the world. It's happened to plenty of other clubs and they've bounced back.
Lets wait and see what happens chicken littles
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Re: Dustin Martin [merged]
« Reply #2261 on: September 16, 2013, 02:21:31 PM »
If Carlton can afford to pay overs for Thomas as a free agent and then another 600 for Martin on top of all their other players and we are apparently scraping the barrel for money in the salary cap something is seriously wrong!

Yep, considering they have 3 x number 1 picks, Judd and a plethora of other 1st round picks...

Dockers are the same, full of guns and yet always have the capacity to go for a big signing.

or maybe we've just been very bad at this game and pay the bottom end of our list too much?

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Re: Dustin Martin [merged]
« Reply #2262 on: September 16, 2013, 02:22:44 PM »
Many people bag Jack as being selfish yet he signed up for less than he could get on the open market. Cotch re signed for less than his value also, imo. These are the guys we want at our club and the culture will be better for it. Maybe now we will have one less stimulus for controversy at our club.I am bitterly disappointed at his decision but it may be a blessing in disguise .

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Re: Dustin Martin [merged]
« Reply #2263 on: September 16, 2013, 02:25:30 PM »
If Carlton can afford to pay overs for Thomas as a free agent and then another 600 for Martin on top of all their other players and we are apparently scraping the barrel for money in the salary cap something is seriously wrong!

Yep, considering they have 3 x number 1 picks, Judd and a plethora of other 1st round picks...

Dockers are the same, full of guns and yet always have the capacity to go for a big signing.

or maybe we've just been very bad at this game and pay the bottom end of our list too much?

I'm hoping this eventually levels out as some of the overpaid hacks (had to pay them to make the cap) take their deserved pay cuts or get delisted.

Or as the Don says, it's not really as bad as the reporters make out

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Re: Dustin Martin [merged]
« Reply #2264 on: September 16, 2013, 02:25:50 PM »
 Disappointing, really disappointing. :'( He will be a big loss if he goes because he is extremely damaging by foot particularly when he opens up the field. His fitness has been an issue and so has his off-field behavior which is why I still think he will stay but his loyalty is now severely in question regardless.

If he does leave GWS is where we should steer him if possible. We could bundle up Adams and maybe swap our first round draft picks or swap their second late first round pick for our second. Otherwise we would need to secure any clubs first pick and use that to get Adams at minimum.

The worst thing is that still leaves Conca up in the air and if he goes weakens our midfield overall instead of strengthening it :(