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Re: Frees For and Against Tally for the Season
« Reply #90 on: May 28, 2017, 10:49:55 PM »
Wtf, another safety net? Defenders have nothing

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When the coach doesn’t know the rules, what hope for players?

Patrick Smith
The Australian
29 May 2017


When a senior coach doesn’t know the rules, what hope is there for his players to be across them?

That’s the wash-up from Saturday night’s decision to award Essendon an easy goal for a deliberate rushed behind by Tigers player Jayden Short just before halftime at the MCG in Richmond’s 15-point win.

After the Tigers ended a four-game losing streak to remain inside the top eight, coach Damien Hardwick said he believed field umpire Curtis Deboy made an error in presenting Essendon’s Josh Green with a goal.

“I think they made a mistake, end of story,” he said. “That’s it for mine.”

The AFL has stood by the decision under the new interpretations of the rule. Under law 15.8.1, the umpires will work to one or more of four criteria when awarding a free kick.

1. A player cannot rush a behind if he is outside the top of the kick off line (9m) and its extension to the behind posts;
2. A player who has time and space in which to dispose of the ball cannot rush a behind;
3. A player who is not considered under immediate physical pressure cannot rush a behind (work on fact, not perceived);
4. From a ruck contest, if an opposition ruck hits the ball on the full through for a point, then this will be adjudicated as a deliberate rushed behind.

Saturday night’s free kick was paid against Short after he sprinted back towards goal from about 50m to a stationary ball that sat just short of the goal line.

Green was also in pursuit but was several metres behind Short when the Richmond player approached the ball and after giving up the chase, was not putting any physical pressure on the Tigers player.

Short slid in and appeared to knock the ball over the line without assessing his options to clear it.

The resultant goal gave the Bombers the lead at halftime in what was a tight contest right up to the final few minutes despite Richmond’s dominant second half and their 10 more scoring shots.

Hardwick should have known better than to call the decision wrong. As explained by the AFL to The Australian, the decision on whether the player is not considered under immediate physical pressure, is determined only by the umpire.

Hardwick was asked how the decision compared with a similar ruling in round two when Swans defender Callum Mills was penalised against the Western Bulldogs when he tapped the ball through the goals from the goal square without being under physical pressure.

“I am probably not there to judge, I’ll let them clarify that. As long as they have got a fair understanding of what the rule is there, that will be fine,” was his puzzling reply.

Essendon coach John Worsfold got it right when he said the decision was consistent with the direction the AFL had given before the season. “The rule was if you rush it from outside the goal square, it’s a free kick, if you rush it from inside the goal square you have to be under physical pressure, which means a hand on you, I’d assume, not perceived pressure,” Worsfold said.

The harsh penalty is another story. That argument of whether the penalty is too severe was put to the clubs in the pre-season and their reaction was not enough to lessen the result to a ball-up instead of a free kick. In February, the AFL said: “A player will still be allowed to prevent a goal from being scored when the ball is close to the line and no other alternatives are available.”

During the opening two rounds of the JLT series, the league trialled a more lenient penalty for any deliberate rushed behind, whereby a point would be awarded and the ball would be thrown up five metres in front of the goal square.

The AFL football department then canvassed clubs, but their response was not considered strong enough to revert to the more lenient of the two penalties.

“There are no plans to implement this amendment for the 2017 season, unless it was deemed a success and there was very strong support from clubs to do so,” it said.

“The free kick will be taken on the scoring line where the ball was rushed through as it was for 2016.”

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/when-the-coach-doesnt-know-the-rules-what-hope-for-players/news-story/bf3ab1d44e37a02d07663b7009474722

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Re: Frees For and Against Tally for the Season
« Reply #92 on: May 29, 2017, 12:54:32 AM »
Wtf, another safety net? Defenders have nothing

Exactly what Richo said in his commentary during the game.

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Re: Frees For and Against Tally for the Season
« Reply #93 on: May 29, 2017, 03:30:07 AM »
Has Fatprick finally dumped us and gone back to supporting Essendon?

Hope so.....bad enough having Caro amongst our ranks....
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RULE TEST: 'ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE THAT DECISION IN THE GRAND FINAL?'

By Jay Clark
Herald-Sun
29 May 2017


PREMIERSHIP coach Paul Roos says there is “no possible way” an umpire would pay a tough deliberate rushed behind free kick on Grand Final day.

Roos said he believed the controversial call against Richmond’s Jayden Short against Essendon on Saturday night was correct under the current rule.

The AFL wants to encourage players to keep the ball in play and has already ticked off on the deliberate rushed behind decision. 

But Roos said it was almost impossible for players in Short’s position to determine how much pressure they were under on the goal line unless they “had eyes in the back of their head”.

Roos was adamant umpires would not pay the same free kick in the premiership decider. 

“If we are sitting at a Grand Final at the end of this year and that decision determines the outcome of that Grand Final, how does our brand look? How do we look as a sport?” Roos said on Triple M.

“Every rule should be based on ‘are you going to make that decision in a Grand Final and if you do make the decision are we happy with that decision in a Grand Final?'

“There is no way known that decision is going to get made in a Grand Final. No possible way."

Players can take the ball over the score line if they are under actual physical pressure.

The player in pursuit of Short, Essendon’s Josh Green, slowed up and appealed to the umpire as the Tigers’ goal sneak took the all over the score line.

Green won the free kick and kicked a goal.

Roos said it was tough for players in Short’s position to know how much actual pressure they were under.

“I don’t know how a player can determine with a bloke screaming behind him whether he is under pressure or not,” he said.

“Because in all reality that player would have thought he was under pressure. He hasn’t got eyes in the back of his head.”

Roos said the rule was an overreaction to Hawthorn players overstepping the goal line to maintain possession a record 11 times against Geelong in the 2008 Grand Final win.

“None of us want to see that, but all of a sudden (it is) overkill (it is) ridiculous, and now we are going to the extreme. I don’t want to see that in a Grand Final,” he said.

North Melbourne champion Wayne Carey backed the call, but also queried whether it would be paid under finals pressure.

He said “there was so much grey in our game” in relation to the rules.

“In front of 100,000 people do they (umpires) pay that?” Carey asked. “They should, but will they?

“I thought the decision was the right one.

“I thought he (Short) had an option to pick the ball up, because he could have got tackled over the line anyway.”

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/afl-daily-live-rolling-footy-news-from-around-australia/news-story/86e5baf9942333d0dc6fa700fc86f2de

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KB'S SIMPLE SOLUTION FOR DELIBERATE RULE 'LACK OF COMMON SENSE' (H-Sun)
« Reply #95 on: May 29, 2017, 02:25:09 PM »
KB'S SIMPLE SOLUTION FOR DELIBERATE RULE 'LACK OF COMMON SENSE'

AFL Hall of Fame legend Kevin Bartlett has a simple solution for the "total confusion" caused by the deliberate rushed behind rule.

After Richmond's Jayden Short was penalised for a deliberate rushed behind against Essendon on Saturday night, debate has raged over whether it was the right call and brought into question the harshness of the penalty.

Essendon's Josh Green was awarded the free kick and shot on goal from directly in front on the goal line and was obviously no chance of missing.

Bartlett, who played 403 career games, says a shot on goal should no longer be the penalty.

"The players are so confused with this rule and what pressure is," he said on SEN.

"It seems the simplest remedy for this lack of common sense and total confusion is that when a deliberate rushed behind is paid, it stands as a point and then the ball is bounced five metres from the top of the square.

"With that, everyone (from) players, spectators and umpires would all be on the same page and not confused."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/afl-daily-live-rolling-footy-news-from-around-australia/news-story/86e5baf9942333d0dc6fa700fc86f2de

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AFL contemplates response to uproar over deliberate rushed behind rule

Anthony Colangelo
The Age
29 May 2017


The AFL's umpiring department is considering a position on the weekend's deliberate rushed behind controversy, as an AFL great called for the penalty imposed for the infringement to change.

Debate around the rule exploded on Saturday night when Richmond's Jayden Short was penalised for a deliberate rushed behind during his side's clash with Essendon.

Short, who chased a kick into Essendon's open 50m arc pursued by the Bombers' Josh Green, chose to knock the ball through for a rushed behind from one metre out.

During most of the pair's 60m chase Green was sprinting behind Short, however once close to goal, Green hung back from his Richmond opponent.

The umpire presumably ruled that Short was not under "immediate physical pressure" when rushing the behind, therefore paying a free kick.

However many criticised the decision and the interpretation of the rule, arguing that Short couldn't know Green had stopped pressuring him because Green was behind him.

The umpiring department was working through its regular review of each game on Monday morning, and if needed, would issue a statement should they deem clarification on the rushed behind rule be needed.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-contemplates-response-to-uproar-over-deliberate-rushed-behind-rule-20170529-gwf8h7.html

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Re: Frees For and Against Tally for the Season
« Reply #97 on: May 29, 2017, 02:28:56 PM »
From Robbo's "Likes/Dislikes" column today:

2. DELIBERATE

THE rule is wrong. Jayden Short and Josh Green were running full tilt. Short was faster than Green, he busted his gut to best Green and Green took the easy option to stop and play for the free kick. It’s kind of cheating the spirit of the game. He gave up and won the free kick. People will say it was smart. I reckon it’s wrong. Short had noise, drama and pressure all over him as he chased the bouncing ball and knocked it through for a behind. All he knows is he’s under pressure. All of us know Green pulled out. The AFL rules look after the ball player, but not in this situation. It is a contradiction to what the game is about. The AFL was right to strengthen the rule this year, but didn’t count on players exploiting it and being encouraged to exploit it. It’s not right.
Jayden Short can’t believe umpire Curtis DeBoy’s rushed behind decision.

3. YES AND NO


SOCIAL media went berserk as expected and opinions varied. Here’s a snapshot ...

Kane Cornes.

Former umpire Matt Head.

Corey McKernan.

Former coach Robert Shaw

Cameron Ling on 3AW was fiercely opposed to the decision.

Clearly there’s an issue with the footy world split on the decision.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/mark-robinson/indigenous-stars-light-up-indigenous-round-as-more-umpiring-controversy-splits-the-afl/news-story/da7ba41ef0fa980132e93e48f9bb87fe

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“I thought he (Short) had an option to pick the ball up, because he could have got tackled over the line anyway.”


Yeah and would have probably been called holding the ball. Short was screwed no matter what he did. His only option was to just lay on the ground in front of the ball, without touching it, so Green couldn't soccer it through and what a blight on the game that would be...

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How to fix the deliberate rushed behind? (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #99 on: May 29, 2017, 08:56:30 PM »
How to fix the deliberate rushed behind

Michael Randall,
Herald Sun
Superfooty podcast
May 29, 2017 2:43pm


IT’S the rule that has divided the footy world.

The deliberate rushed behind.

And it sent fans into meltdown on the weekend when Richmond’s Jayden Short was penalised for pushing the ball through after Essendon speedster Josh Green put the brakes on as they approached the goal late in the second quarter of Dreamtime at the ‘G.

The Bombers were awarded a free kick from the square, which Green duly slotted, turning a two-point Tigers’ lead into a four point deficit, right on the stroke of halftime.

The penalty of a guaranteed goal is too severe, Mick Warner said on the SuperFooty Podcast, and he has the perfect solution.

“The goal is too much,” Warner said.

“Give them the point and ball it up at the top of the square, which we trialled in the NAB Cup.

“No one’s going to worry about it.

“There is an argument that Short should have kept it in, but the penalty doesn’t fit the crime.

“(Ball it up and) It could be a seven-point (play) and then you get a chance to lock it in to your forward line.”

Lauren Wood called for clarity from the AFL around the umpires’ interpretation of the rule.

“We absolutely need some clarity on this,” Lauren said.

“Because my Twitter timeline, it was completely split in those two minutes after the decision and I reckon that’s a perfect indication.

“If you’ve got half of them saying ‘disgraceful’ and the other half saying ‘no, correct’, well clearly we need some light shed on it.”

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/how-to-fix-the-deliberate-rushed-behind-with-the-superfooty-podcast/news-story/1717d401b44e2e0acf9cc2975c54ba06

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Re: Frees For and Against Tally for the Season
« Reply #100 on: June 08, 2017, 04:04:14 AM »
We're finally off the bottom of the 'free kick' ladder.

Team              P    W    L    D    Pts    FF    FA    %    Movement
W.Bulldogs     10    7    2    1    30    199    155    128.39%    0
North Melb     11    7    3    1    30    229    191    119.90%    0
Collingwood   11    7    3    1    30    186    171    108.77%    0
West Coast    11    6    5    0    24    193    169    114.20%    2
Fremantle       11    5    4    2    24    203    203    100.00%    -1
Port Adelaide  10    6    4    0    24    196    199    98.49%    6
Essendon       11    5    5    1    22    196    197    99.49%    -2
Carlton           10    5    5    0    20    190    175    108.57%    -1
Brisbane         10    5    5    0    20    209    201    103.98%    -1
Melbourne      10    4    4    2    20    176    173    101.73%    -1
Gold Coast     10    4    4    2    20    167    166    100.60%    -1
St Kilda          10    5    5    0    20    173    173    100.00%    -1
Geelong         11    4    6    1    18    218    230    94.78%    2
Adelaide         11    4    6    1    18    204    219    93.15%    -1
Hawthorn       11    4    7    0    16    177    192    92.19%    -1
Richmond       11    4    7    0    16    194    235    82.55%    1
GWS              11    4    7    0    16    178    218    81.65%    1
Sydney          10    3    7    0    12    178    199    89.45%    -2

http://footyprophet.com/free-kick-ladder-r11-top-dogs-take-lowly-swans/

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Re: Frees For and Against Tally for the Season
« Reply #101 on: June 08, 2017, 10:00:38 AM »
We're finally off the bottom of the 'free kick' ladder.

Team              P    W    L    D    Pts    FF    FA    %    Movement
W.Bulldogs     10    7    2    1    30    199    155    128.39%    0
North Melb     11    7    3    1    30    229    191    119.90%    0
Collingwood   11    7    3    1    30    186    171    108.77%    0
West Coast    11    6    5    0    24    193    169    114.20%    2
Fremantle       11    5    4    2    24    203    203    100.00%    -1
Port Adelaide  10    6    4    0    24    196    199    98.49%    6
Essendon       11    5    5    1    22    196    197    99.49%    -2
Carlton           10    5    5    0    20    190    175    108.57%    -1
Brisbane         10    5    5    0    20    209    201    103.98%    -1
Melbourne      10    4    4    2    20    176    173    101.73%    -1
Gold Coast     10    4    4    2    20    167    166    100.60%    -1
St Kilda          10    5    5    0    20    173    173    100.00%    -1
Geelong         11    4    6    1    18    218    230    94.78%    2
Adelaide         11    4    6    1    18    204    219    93.15%    -1
Hawthorn       11    4    7    0    16    177    192    92.19%    -1
Richmond       11    4    7    0    16    194    235    82.55%    1
GWS              11    4    7    0    16    178    218    81.65%    1
Sydney          10    3    7    0    12    178    199    89.45%    -2

http://footyprophet.com/free-kick-ladder-r11-top-dogs-take-lowly-swans/

Bulldogs Sydney tonight will be an interesting one to watch. More of the same or a premeditated correction?
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Re: Frees For and Against Tally for the Season
« Reply #102 on: July 23, 2017, 06:32:33 PM »
Richmond gave away 33 free kicks today, comfortably eclipsing its previous season high of 28. Only three players for the Tigers did not give away a free kick today.

Frees for:
Richmond   25
GWS          33

http://www.afl.com.au/match-centre/2017/18/rich-v-gws

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Re: Frees For and Against Tally for the Season
« Reply #103 on: July 23, 2017, 06:34:59 PM »
The number 8 was whistle happy all day, absolute muppet with no feel of the game, paid soft free kicks all day. Number 32 wasn't far behind in the second half

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Re: Frees For and Against Tally for the Season
« Reply #104 on: July 23, 2017, 06:42:26 PM »
The number 8 was whistle happy all day, absolute muppet with no feel of the game, paid soft free kicks all day. Number 32 wasn't far behind in the second half

This.
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