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Re: Tim Taranto officially a Tiger [update]
« Reply #105 on: October 05, 2022, 09:18:36 PM »
I'm very happy with the deal considering Pick 19 was a free pick.

I'd have traded CCJ and 1st rounder for Taranto, the fact they are Pick 12 and 19 make it seem less in our favour but we get the player we need. That is the main thing.

Hardly free we originally used pick 20 on CC-J. It was a pick if our recruiters had got right should have snared a very good player.
Just think Shai Bolton was there at pick 29 when we snared him.

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Re: Tim Taranto officially a Tiger [update]
« Reply #106 on: October 06, 2022, 05:31:26 PM »

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Re: Tim Taranto officially a Tiger [update]
« Reply #107 on: October 06, 2022, 10:43:06 PM »
24YO 114GAME PLAYER JUST ENTERING HIS PRIME. I do like it when we target PROVEN QUALITY players. Prestia and big Tom anyone.

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Re: Tim Taranto officially a Tiger [update]
« Reply #108 on: October 07, 2022, 10:24:13 AM »
I'm very happy with the deal considering Pick 19 was a free pick.

I'd have traded CCJ and 1st rounder for Taranto, the fact they are Pick 12 and 19 make it seem less in our favour but we get the player we need. That is the main thing.

Hardly free we originally used pick 20 on CC-J. It was a pick if our recruiters had got right should have snared a very good player.
Just think Shai Bolton was there at pick 29 when we snared him.
Maybe they didn't turn that pick 20 into James Hird, but to draft a player valued highly enough to secure pick 19 a few years later is hardly getting it wrong. That's a retention problem, not a drafting problem.

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Why Taranto and Richmond is a match made in heaven (theRoar)
« Reply #109 on: October 07, 2022, 01:06:20 PM »
Why Taranto and Richmond is a match made in heaven

Dem Panopoulos
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7 October 2022


Tim Taranto may be the most fortunate player in the AFL.

For a variety of reasons, mostly through no fault of his own, his career has stagnated after his 2019 best-and-fairest win at just 21 years of age.

Since that point, he never quite recaptured that form the hyped him all the way up to the second pick in the 2016 draft and had him high in the Giants’ estimations in the formative stages of his career.

There were always murmurings that Taranto may return to Victoria at some stage in his career but for all intents and purposes, he was happy at GWS and it was the club who felt he was most expendable as they enter a new chapter.

Certainly the way the 24-year-old has been used recently would indicate that they were happy to field offers.

Richmond answered the call and in doing so, have created the most beneficial scenario we’ll see in the 2022 trade period for all parties.

Taranto is exactly what the Tigers needed to solidify their return to relevance, with a sustained finals run targeted for the next number of seasons.

They’ve recruited a player who has been played out of position for two seasons, but one with a lot of potential.

We only need look at that best-and-fairest-winning season in a Grand Final team to see what he brings to the table – Taranto averaged 27.7 disposals, 6.3 tackles, 5.2 clearances and 4.6 marks per game.

Those basic numbers are nice, but it’s the pressure that the midfielder can bring to the table that really excites the Richmond fan base.

In 2019, he averaged 25.1 pressure acts per game, which included 12.7 in the defensive half. That ranked him seventh and third respectively out of all midfielders in the AFL and it’s that commitment to the team structure that really enticed the Tigers.

Even in 2022 in a different role, Taranto ranked 12th for defensive half pressure acts and was rated elite all-round in the overall metric.

Yet much of what Taranto is going to bring to Richmond is hypothetical for now, rather than a concrete reality.

Given we’ve mentioned recent seasons, it’s important to note that right now, Taranto is a solid midfielder who has limitations that never really meshed in GWS’ system, despite some individual success experienced.

How much credit you want to give the former Giants’ coach will depend on whether you believe that the 24-year-old’s position as a forward and outside midfielder over the last two seasons was for development or because he’d been written off as a player, but neither gave Taranto an opportunity to succeed strongly.

If you were to redraft the 2016 crop of players right now, it’s highly unlikely Taranto would be taken second and there’s a chance he’d even slide outside the top five.

Between 2018 and 2021, Taranto was rated as a below average kick. Just how bad was it? Well, in 2021 he spent more time in attack and his kicking efficiency was 50.5 per cent, clearly his highest over that period of time.

Absolutely, inside midfielders tend to be given a little more leeway given how congested stoppages tend to be and extraction is less of an art form and more a showing of brute force, but to consistently hit the target with less than half of his kicks was a big issue for Taranto at GWS.

It’s even worse if you consider that technically, the Giants weren’t really using him as an inside midfielder. In 2019, he had a kicking efficiency of 48.4 per cent, despite collecting 59.4 per cent of his possessions in an uncontested manner. It certainly passed the eye test.

Jacob Hopper, Richmond’s other target, is as pure as it gets for an inside midfielder and has always been GWS’ preferred option in that regard.

The other of Taranto’s limitations which came to light and was particularly restrictive is that his forward craft just hasn’t been developed enough by the Giants, and his use in that role felt more of a spontaneous move rather than anything planned.

Given his prolificity offensively as a junior, it seemed like Leon Cameron just hoped it would click.

It doesn’t quite work like that. His accuracy in front of goal in the last five seasons is below 40 per cent too, not fantastic.

All of this is to provide context behind the fact that really, Taranto isn’t the A-grade midfielder Richmond supporters are celebrating. Right now, that is.

The reality of the situation is that we haven’t really seen the best of what the seventh-year player has to offer.

It’s why for all three parties, this is such a perfect move overall.

GWS secured picks 12 and 19, before father/son selections and compensation picks are handed out. It’s seemingly a step backwards to be collecting a bunch of picks, but a refresh is clearly needed and with a new coach at the helm, it’s as good a package as they could’ve hoped for.

Let’s not forget that the Giants aren’t losing a key midfield mover from their perspective – where it was due to injury or simply falling out of love, Taranto had fallen behind the likes of Tom Green, Stephen Coniglio, Harry Perryman, Hopper and even Callan Ward for centre bounce attendances.

In a nice draft with great depth, these are significant assets to receive.

Of course on the flip side, there’ll be some division in the Richmond fan base about giving up two top-20 picks in a deal that hasn’t involved Hopper as well.

To receive a player taken so highly in the draft with a strong enough resume to suggest stagnation, rather than regression has occurred, assets had to have been given up.

Plus, as lucrative as draft picks can be, they’re speculative, which rings true the further down the draft board you go.

Also, to counter any criticism of Richmond trading away their future in this and any prospective deal for Hopper, let us not forget the Tigers’ intelligent trading that resulted in five top-30 selections in 2021, three of whom played senior footy already.

While the Giants don’t feel like they’ve lost a significant piece, Richmond has gained their big midfield piece of the future, which really ties into the third and most important party that has benefitted greatly, the player himself.

The Tigers have given Taranto a long-term contract on good money to be their main guy.

For the first time in his career, we’ll see him playing 80 per cent midfield with only shorter spurts up forward, where as a rotational piece as the fourth or fifth target, there’s more opportunity for him to do damage.

Taranto’s kicking issues may have been detrimental to his career at GWS, but are entirely irrelevant in a Richmond team that only wants to take space. There’s no reliance on hitting up targets accurately. It’s a swarm mentality where the midfielders simply need to get the ball forward.

Damien Hardwick finally has a taller midfielder that can do some grunt work, while the small likes of Dion Prestia, Shai Bolton, Tyler Sonsie and Liam Baker can do as they please. Dustin Martin and Trent Cotchin are peripheral members of the midfield group now.

And finally, the defensive commitment Taranto has shown in his career only furthers the value he brings to a team that is built on pressure and suffocation of the opposition.

Targeting Hopper is to add cream on top of the Tigers’ midfield, a true contested beast that will protect the 24-year-old and his new teammates.

After a few years just floating around the Giants’ team, Taranto has landed at the most perfect destination for the type of player he is.

At draft time, there was speculation that he could become one of the game’s best midfielders.

At the end of the 2022 season at GWS, it looked like his potential had been capped against his own will.

He will now spend the majority of his career as a prime midfield mover at the Richmond Football Club, who will give him every chance to realise his full potential.

Expect big thing out of a player who hasn’t even entered his prime, at a club looking for more success going forward.

Tim Taranto at the Tigers is the perfect landing spot for both parties and the rewards will be enormous.

https://www.theroar.com.au/2022/10/07/why-taranto-and-richmond-is-a-match-made-in-heaven/

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Re: Tim Taranto officially a Tiger [update]
« Reply #112 on: October 14, 2022, 02:37:28 PM »
His [Taranto's] decision to make the move to Punt Road

“Halfway through the year it came to me that it might be the best career choice for me. As the year progressed, it became more of a probability. And, by the end of the season, it was almost a certainty. I was just grateful that Richmond had their interest in me. It was an easy decision, to be honest, in the end. They were really good. Made me feel really wanted and welcomed . . .”

The attraction of Tigerland

“The style of play is really exciting. Obviously, they’ve had a lot of success. The people seem really nice. My phone hasn’t stopped going off with messages from players, staff, coaches, board members . . . It’s been really nice, and it’s made me feel really happy to join such a great club. So, I’m keen to just get back and get into it . . . I’ve been over here (America) for a while and I’m itching to get back and meet everyone in person.”

The playing attributes he brings to the Club

“As a midfielder, just work right up and back offensively and defensively, tackling pressure, winning contested ball and clearance work. I think when I get that opportunity to do that, that’s when I play my best footy. So, hopefully I can slot in nicely there with a few of the other boys and we can have a good run at it next season.”

Full article: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1237282/taranto-thrilled-to-be-a-tiger

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Re: Tim Taranto officially a Tiger [update]
« Reply #113 on: October 18, 2022, 07:34:44 PM »
THE UNCANNY STATS THAT LINK TIM TARANTO TO DION PRESTIA

By Andrew Slevison
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18 October 2022




Tim Taranto was recruited by Richmond this trade period with the Tigers addressing a need (or two) in their midfield.

The midfielder will make his way to Punt Road alongside his former GWS teammate Jacob Hopper after his new club raided the Giants’ on-ball brigade.

After six years in the orange and charcoal, Taranto will don the black and yellow where he will step into a midfield unit led by the likes of Dion Prestia, Trent Cotchin, Dustin Martin and Shai Bolton.

It is the first name in that group that really stands out when assessing Taranto’s career to date.

Just like Taranto, Prestia was recruited from an expansion club after spending six years with that team.

The similarities don’t end there.

Take a look at the comparison between Prestia and Taranto below:

The deals

* Prestia (and pick 24) cost the Tigers Pick 6 (1751 points) and a future 2nd-round pick which became Pick 38 (465 points) = 2216 draft points.
* Taranto cost the Tigers Pick 12 (1268 points) & Pick 19 (948 points) = 2216 draft points.

Stage of career

* Prestia, aged 24, joined the Tigers from Gold Coast (in late 2016) after six seasons with the Suns.
* Taranto, aged 24, joins the Tigers from GWS after six seasons with the Giants.

Games played

* Prestia played 95 games for the Suns.
* Taranto played 114 games for the Giants.

Average disposals

* Prestia averaged 23.5 disposals for the Suns.
* Taranto averaged 23.4 disposals for the Giants.

Average clearances

* Prestia averaged 4.4 clearances for the Suns.
* Taranto averaged 4 clearances for the Giants.

Average tackles

* Prestia averaged 4.4 tackles for the Suns.
* Taranto averaged 5.3 tackles for the Giants.

Average inside 50s

* Prestia averaged 3.3 inside 50s for the Suns.
* Taranto averaged 3.6 inside 50s for the Giants.

Average contested possessions

* Prestia averaged 9.5 contested possessions for the Suns.
* Taranto averaged 9.5 contested possessions for the Giants.

Brownlow votes

* Prestia polled 23 Brownlow votes for the Suns. Average of 0.24.
* Taranto polled 33 Brownlow votes for the Giants. Average of 0.32.

Disposal efficiency

* Prestia had a disposal efficiency of 68% for the Suns.
* Taranto had a disposal efficiency of 63% for the Giants.

Best and fairest results

* Prestia’s best B&F finish for the Suns was second in 2013, his third season. He finished top 10 for the Suns on three occasions.
* Taranto’s best B&F finish for the Giants was first in 2019, his third season. He finished top 10 for the Giants on three occasions.

Some critics might pot Prestia for not getting on the park consistently enough due to soft tissue injuries, but the results are fairly clear.

He has played in three premierships for the Tigers, winning a best and fairest in a premiership season in 2019. (Coincidentally, it was the same season as Taranto won the B&F for the Giants in the same year the pair faced off in the Grand Final).

Prestia is seen by many as Richmond’s most important player overall, let alone most important midfielder.

While it’s hard to compare two different humans, there is no denying that the numbers posted by Taranto in his first six seasons in the AFL are uncannily similar to those of Prestia.

Hopefully, for Tigers fans, the former Giant has a similar impact.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/10/18/the-uncanny-stats-that-link-tim-taranto-to-dion-prestia/

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Re: Tim Taranto officially a Tiger [update]
« Reply #114 on: October 18, 2022, 10:42:23 PM »
I agree with Cornes. He more comparable to Jack Graham at the same age.
“I find it nearly impossible to make those judgments, but he is certainly up there with the really important ones, he is certainly up there with the Francis Bourkes and the Royce Harts and the Kevin Bartlett and the Kevin Sheedys, there is no doubt about that,” Balme said.

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Re: Tim Taranto officially a Tiger [update]
« Reply #115 on: October 19, 2022, 03:46:14 PM »
I agree with Cornes. He more comparable to Jack Graham at the same age.

Taranto or Prestia? Because Graham and Taranto are the same age.

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Re: Tim Taranto officially a Tiger [update]
« Reply #116 on: October 19, 2022, 07:57:27 PM »
I agree with Cornes. He more comparable to Jack Graham at the same age.

Taranto or Prestia? Because Graham and Taranto are the same age.

Neither, I was taking the pee
“I find it nearly impossible to make those judgments, but he is certainly up there with the really important ones, he is certainly up there with the Francis Bourkes and the Royce Harts and the Kevin Bartlett and the Kevin Sheedys, there is no doubt about that,” Balme said.

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Re: Tim Taranto officially a Tiger [merged]
« Reply #117 on: October 28, 2022, 04:13:15 PM »

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Re: Tim Taranto officially a Tiger [merged]
« Reply #118 on: October 28, 2022, 04:28:04 PM »
Look who’s in the gym this morning




https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1585770135557586944

Bloody hell, he is more Fridge than Fridge

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Re: Tim Taranto officially a Tiger [merged]
« Reply #119 on: October 28, 2022, 06:19:35 PM »
Yeah, I didn't know he was build like tank.