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« Reply #270 on: August 07, 2012, 09:00:58 PM »
Fyfe a small forward?  :huh

A lot of medium forwards and mids in that list Claw
well i did say mediums and smalls.  i include mediums because if we had any at all we would play em instead we play 3 or 4 smalls that have no polish.
fyfe started as a forward and has quickly shown he can be a big part of their midfield. much like sidebottom thomas beams have.

did not mention swan as i consider him a mid but your right  monk he does go forward and do a bit of damage. didnt mention didak either.

this is just opinion we all have em im just letting people know after people have ahd a dig  what i think of nahas where i rate him and what  i think is wrong with his game.its opinion its no more right or wrong than the next blokes.

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« Reply #271 on: August 07, 2012, 09:02:56 PM »
Fyfe a small forward?  :huh

A lot of medium forwards and mids in that list Claw

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Some rubbish comparisons in there, Craw.

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« Reply #272 on: August 08, 2012, 07:00:45 AM »
The kid's produced 3 improving & consistent years - goals, goal assists, tackles. Though his average disposals is down from last year he has already beaten last year's goal tally by one and has 4 games to go.

There are times when he gets smashed ( i.e last few minutes against Roos) and he struggles the following week - but he shows courage despite not being built. I suppose those are the occupational hazards of the lightly built types - and most teams have them.

PS Collingwood will have Andrew Krakouer in a similar role when he gets back.
did mention krakouer bpb.
but lets not get caught up in who should or should not be ranked as a forward what for me is plain as day is nahas is well down the pecking order when copared to his peers.

Based on what criteria.  Facts backed up by stats or your opinion ?

Rant about McDonald not wanting it/making it.  Rant about TT not making it/wanting, but when a player squeezes the talent out of himself and is doing well compared to his peers is well ...

Oh and his possessions are down because he is not rotating through the midfield.  He proved he could rotate through the midfield but  Our gameplan wants/needs a deep crumber.  He's equal 5th in the AFL as a crumbing forward for goals kicked.  That's FACT.  Not an OPINION a FACT.

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« Reply #273 on: August 08, 2012, 12:55:24 PM »
What does that mean? He's ranked 5th for goals he has got by getting front and centre or he is just ranked 5th in goals for crumbers?

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« Reply #274 on: August 08, 2012, 01:31:02 PM »
Tradebait

30 goal a year fwd
ethnic flavour
substantial inheritance

Lock it in CC
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« Reply #275 on: August 08, 2012, 08:00:19 PM »
again to all its only my opinion based on nahas strengths and weaknesses.
geez it was not that long ago we were having a similar debate about a bloke called pettifer. he was another chronic glass half full who supporters defended to the hilt for yrs on end because he managed to kick a few goals here and there but the weaknesses in his game prevented him from ever being a good afl player.
 because we hung on so long to him and his type  his weaknesses prevented us from ever raising the bar enough to become a finals side. we not only did it with pettifer but many players.

pettifer should have been axed after about 3 or 4 yrs but lasted for what 8 or so.
robbie nahas plays some decennt footy at times but he is a glass half full and we must be looking for better. yes hes kicked some goals but struggles in every other aspect of the game.he is not the answer.

we have been here before under wallace making 9th with mainly average players and a shedload of glass half fulls who promise much but never deliver because their weaknesses means playing at afl standard on a consistent basis is not possible.

we cant get over the top of good sides because of the jacksons nahas kings etc etc they are the bottom 5 or 6 in the 22 and they fall away too much.

we have been here at this point before do we learn or do just make the same mistakes again.

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« Reply #276 on: August 08, 2012, 08:06:49 PM »
I wasn't Pettifer's biggest fan but he was a better player than Nahas (and a lot of the duds we still have and had in Kayne's time at the club). Petts was soft and had average efforts defensively but the bloke worked hard and was a good hit up forward with great hands. From 05 to early 08 he played 70 odd consecutive games and kicked over 100 goals. In 2006 he was very good.
The year he should have been sacked was 2008.
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« Reply #277 on: August 08, 2012, 08:46:22 PM »
I shall declare my hand and state that I know the Robin via playing cricket with his older brother. They are both very feisty and fighters, and give it their best at all times on the pitch. But they are always prepared to do the right thing by the team. Last time I spoke with Robin he said that he had actually been told to drop weight from last year so he could maintain pace as the game will be getting quicker and quicker.

I reckon the kid knows his weakness and is doing his best to improve. Basically he has no control over his training - it is all scheduled - even the amount of kicking for goal he is allowed to do. Another year under his belt and I reckon he will improve again. If he doesn't then others will be waiting in the wings to take his place and I shall be with you Mr Claw - but in the scheme of things he deserves another year.


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« Reply #278 on: August 09, 2012, 03:22:55 AM »
petts prob was between the ears

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« Reply #279 on: August 09, 2012, 09:33:55 AM »
we cant get over the top of good sides because of the jacksons nahas kings etc etc they are the bottom 5 or 6 in the 22 and they fall away too much.

Put Jackson aside.  He gives nothing.  Youve mentioned Edwards as well before.  Get rid of him, has zip going for goal but no poise and always sprays the ball.  Has no zip going the other way. Doesn't like physical contact.  Throw in white, no zip for a supposedly quick player and has had plenty of opportunities to prove himself. Should be a good player but isn't.

Nahas and King have been our best small forwards.  They are in the top dozen players in the list.  Not the bottom half a dozen.

When King fires up, we usually win games.  Unlike more fancied players like Vickery who fold the moment they get a knock to their shoulders, King is still out there despite his injuries putting his body on the line.  You won't win a flag with players who don't like physical contact.  Thats guaranteed.

In terms of skill.  Nahas is a very interesting player.  Sometimes he can only kick 30m.  But we have all seen him kick goals from outside 50.  He is a very capable footballer.  There is a gap between his best and his worst.  But then, you could make that argument for Riewoldt and the rest of the forward line.  You could make that argument for RIOLI.  Thats a common trait amongst small forwards.  Big part of it is delivery and performance of their bigger cousins.  Plenty of players to delist or trade before you look at your best small forward.  That is just common sense.

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« Reply #280 on: August 09, 2012, 10:22:59 AM »
we cant get over the top of good sides because of the jacksons nahas kings etc etc they are the bottom 5 or 6 in the 22 and they fall away too much.

Put Jackson aside.  He gives nothing.  Youve mentioned Edwards as well before.  Get rid of him, has zip going for goal but no poise and always sprays the ball.  Has no zip going the other way. Doesn't like physical contact.  Throw in white, no zip for a supposedly quick player and has had plenty of opportunities to prove himself. Should be a good player but isn't.

Nahas and King have been our best small forwards.  They are in the top dozen players in the list.  Not the bottom half a dozen.

When King fires up, we usually win games.  Unlike more fancied players like Vickery who fold the moment they get a knock to their shoulders, King is still out there despite his injuries putting his body on the line.  You won't win a flag with players who don't like physical contact.  Thats guaranteed.

In terms of skill.  Nahas is a very interesting player.  Sometimes he can only kick 30m.  But we have all seen him kick goals from outside 50.  He is a very capable footballer.  There is a gap between his best and his worst.  But then, you could make that argument for Riewoldt and the rest of the forward line.  You could make that argument for RIOLI.  Thats a common trait amongst small forwards.  Big part of it is delivery and performance of their bigger cousins.  Plenty of players to delist or trade before you look at your best small forward.  That is just common sense.

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« Reply #281 on: August 09, 2012, 11:01:50 AM »
we cant get over the top of good sides because of the jacksons nahas kings etc etc they are the bottom 5 or 6 in the 22 and they fall away too much.

Put Jackson aside.  He gives nothing.  Youve mentioned Edwards as well before.  Get rid of him, has zip going for goal but no poise and always sprays the ball.  Has no zip going the other way. Doesn't like physical contact.  Throw in white, no zip for a supposedly quick player and has had plenty of opportunities to prove himself. Should be a good player but isn't.

Nahas and King have been our best small forwards.  They are in the top dozen players in the list.  Not the bottom half a dozen.

When King fires up, we usually win games.  Unlike more fancied players like Vickery who fold the moment they get a knock to their shoulders, King is still out there despite his injuries putting his body on the line.  You won't win a flag with players who don't like physical contact.  Thats guaranteed.

In terms of skill.  Nahas is a very interesting player.  Sometimes he can only kick 30m.  But we have all seen him kick goals from outside 50.  He is a very capable footballer.  There is a gap between his best and his worst.  But then, you could make that argument for Riewoldt and the rest of the forward line.  You could make that argument for RIOLI.  Thats a common trait amongst small forwards.  Big part of it is delivery and performance of their bigger cousins.  Plenty of players to delist or trade before you look at your best small forward.  That is just common sense.
theres about a dozen players out of contract of which about 7 will be cut this yr. nahas is neither out of contract or one of the first 7 or 8 on the list that needs to go so we are not talking about this yr.
all im saying though is we need to do better than this glass half full that sums him up perfectly glass half full so so many deficiencies in his game.  in time he does indeed need to go. we need to be actively looking for much better than the likes of king nahas white and edwards who i think has had a  solid 8 or 10 weeks. imo theres a spot for just one of these 4 atm that would be edwards until he drops off again and he will.

sorry but i disagree about both king and nahas being top 12.  kings performances have been in the main terrible for over a yr  but hey we love battlers who have a dip.
the analogy i have for why they get games is they are the best of a poor bunch.
they are in the top  16 - 22 only because atm we dont have players good enough or developed enough to force them out.
when you think about it we only have three  specialist sml/med forwards on the list  who can push them out, and they are either worst performing maric,, walked out the door macdonald, sacked connors, rookie and not ready turner,  or just not developed ohanlon. imo they are getting games by default.  the simple fact we have such deficient players who lack any sort of polish in our regular 22 regardless of where you rate them is the reason why we fail to get over sides.
we also should look at why we cant find a quality sml/med forward. thats simple look at where every single one on the list has been taken. they are either late picks or rookie picks you never get much polish from there. edwards is the only one taken in the first two rounds and he was taken as a mid with a huge tank failed as a mid and now on his last chance as a forward.

the glass half full who does a bit then regresses then does a bit then regresses again are the exact types we have failed to cut and improve on over the yrs. we have regularly given them 7 8 9 yr careers  hence we have remained mired in mediocrity. nahas atm may be a better option than others but he sure as hell is not the answer. if these types are on your list the temptation is to play them instead of develop another because at the time you get a bit more out of them yes they are in the best 22. cut them may mean a little bit of short term pain dont cut them and in the long term yoiu remin mired in mediocrity. 
matt white does not have the ability to make it he never did. 7 yrs of not making a decision about his weaknesses which are the things that prevent him from ever being a good afl player we have to be better than that.
with  nahas and king their deficiencies will always be there they will always revert to being vfl players because of them far too often with them too much of load will be left to other to carry which is what happens now.

again its just my opinion but imo now is the time to really start making some hard decisions on the glass half fulls.


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« Reply #282 on: August 09, 2012, 11:30:20 AM »
theres about a dozen players out of contract of which about 7 will be cut this yr. nahas is neither out of contract or one of the first 7 or 8 on the list that needs to go so we are not talking about this yr.

again its just my opinion but imo now is the time to really start making some hard decisions on the glass half fulls.

In a year or now?  Do you even know what you are saying? 

30+ goals in a side that's under performing isn't a glass half full performance by any stretch of the imagination.  Why don't you go into the Jackson and Edwards threads and stick the boot into them and come back here when and if Nahas performances ever reaches their levels on a consistent basis.

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« Reply #283 on: August 09, 2012, 11:37:07 AM »
we cant get over the top of good sides because of the jacksons nahas kings etc etc they are the bottom 5 or 6 in the 22 and they fall away too much.

Put Jackson aside.  He gives nothing.  Youve mentioned Edwards as well before.  Get rid of him, has zip going for goal but no poise and always sprays the ball.  Has no zip going the other way. Doesn't like physical contact.  Throw in white, no zip for a supposedly quick player and has had plenty of opportunities to prove himself. Should be a good player but isn't.

Nahas and King have been our best small forwards.  They are in the top dozen players in the list.  Not the bottom half a dozen.

When King fires up, we usually win games.  Unlike more fancied players like Vickery who fold the moment they get a knock to their shoulders, King is still out there despite his injuries putting his body on the line.  You won't win a flag with players who don't like physical contact.  Thats guaranteed.

In terms of skill.  Nahas is a very interesting player.  Sometimes he can only kick 30m.  But we have all seen him kick goals from outside 50.  He is a very capable footballer.  There is a gap between his best and his worst.  But then, you could make that argument for Riewoldt and the rest of the forward line.  You could make that argument for RIOLI.  Thats a common trait amongst small forwards.  Big part of it is delivery and performance of their bigger cousins.  Plenty of players to delist or trade before you look at your best small forward.  That is just common sense.
theres about a dozen players out of contract of which about 7 will be cut this yr. nahas is neither out of contract or one of the first 7 or 8 on the list that needs to go so we are not talking about this yr.
all im saying though is we need to do better than this glass half full that sums him up perfectly glass half full so so many deficiencies in his game.  in time he does indeed need to go. we need to be actively looking for much better than the likes of king nahas white and edwards who i think has had a  solid 8 or 10 weeks. imo theres a spot for just one of these 4 atm that would be edwards until he drops off again and he will.

sorry but i disagree about both king and nahas being top 12.  kings performances have been in the main terrible for over a yr  but hey we love battlers who have a dip.
the analogy i have for why they get games is they are the best of a poor bunch.
they are in the top  16 - 22 only because atm we dont have players good enough or developed enough to force them out.
when you think about it we only have three  specialist sml/med forwards on the list  who can push them out, and they are either worst performing maric,, walked out the door macdonald, sacked connors, rookie and not ready turner,  or just not developed ohanlon. imo they are getting games by default.  the simple fact we have such deficient players who lack any sort of polish in our regular 22 regardless of where you rate them is the reason why we fail to get over sides.
we also should look at why we cant find a quality sml/med forward. thats simple look at where every single one on the list has been taken. they are either late picks or rookie picks you never get much polish from there. edwards is the only one taken in the first two rounds and he was taken as a mid with a huge tank failed as a mid and now on his last chance as a forward.

the glass half full who does a bit then regresses then does a bit then regresses again are the exact types we have failed to cut and improve on over the yrs. we have regularly given them 7 8 9 yr careers  hence we have remained mired in mediocrity. nahas atm may be a better option than others but he sure as hell is not the answer. if these types are on your list the temptation is to play them instead of develop another because at the time you get a bit more out of them yes they are in the best 22. cut them may mean a little bit of short term pain dont cut them and in the long term yoiu remin mired in mediocrity. 
matt white does not have the ability to make it he never did. 7 yrs of not making a decision about his weaknesses which are the things that prevent him from ever being a good afl player we have to be better than that.
with  nahas and king their deficiencies will always be there they will always revert to being vfl players because of them far too often with them too much of load will be left to other to carry which is what happens now.

again its just my opinion but imo now is the time to really start making some hard decisions on the glass half fulls.



some good points in there claw
small fwd/mid we should be looking at in this year's draft with our first pick is ben kennedy, real class, can mark & tackle, play fwd as a pocket or lead up, in/out mid
i will say though that some of the small fwds above nahas from other clubs have come from late picks and off the rookie list, betts, milne, etc. and i think there was a study done of all the rookie picks from all clubs ever taken and the highest hits in terms of getting AFL contributors was small fwds – obviously there is a scale of class there but it has proved a successful pathway so we dont necessarily need to use early picks to get an upgrade on nahas

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« Reply #284 on: August 09, 2012, 11:52:53 AM »
theres about a dozen players out of contract of which about 7 will be cut this yr. nahas is neither out of contract or one of the first 7 or 8 on the list that needs to go so we are not talking about this yr.

again its just my opinion but imo now is the time to really start making some hard decisions on the glass half fulls.

In a year or now?  Do you even know what you are saying? 

30+ goals in a side that's under performing isn't a glass half full performance by any stretch of the imagination.  Why don't you go into the Jackson and Edwards threads and stick the boot into them and come back here when and if Nahas performances ever reaches their levels on a consistent basis.
how hard is it to comprehend he cant be cut now but hes not a long term keeper because of his many many deficiencies.

if you think we cant do better than nahas and king fine talk em up. just kicking  goals is not enough in todays game remember pettifer or morton  lots of ordinary players kick 25 odd goals a yr geez morton kicked 50 odd in a season did that make him a good well rounded footballer.

i tell ya what lets keep all the glass half fulls lets not change the list obviously in your opinion we have no need to do this.
the bar is set very low for some it seems.