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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on February 20, 2017, 03:32:24 AM
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Dusty will be talking about his dad.
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Can he give Tracey Grimshaw a metaphorical fend off with a pair of chopsticks?
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Looking forward to this one.
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Peter Dutton = dead set wanker of the highest order.
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A Current Affair :lol
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‘It’s stupid’: Dusty’s plea over deported dad
Tom Morris
FOX SPORTS/Herald-Sun
Feb 21, 2017
RICHMOND star Dustin Martin has delivered a passionate plea to have his father returned to Australia.
Shane Martin, 49, was one of 81 current or former bikie gang members to have their visas negated by Federal Minister for Immigration and Border Protection Peter Dutton last March as part of a Federal Government crackdown.
He moved to Australia from New Zealand in 1990 but has spent the last 11 months away from his son, family and friends as part of the government’s deportation scheme.
Dustin Martin, who finished third in the 2016 Brownlow Medal, had not opened up on the matter until Monday night.
“He’s not what he might look like,” Martin told Channel 9.
“To have that taken away – you see all the other guys with their parents in the rooms after games – I don’t even have my Dad there. It’s pretty sad.
“If he was a criminal, I’d cop it. But they have just taken him away for association.
“It’s fair enough if he’s done something… to be just taken away for no reason and breaking up the family. I think it’s pretty stupid.”
Martin maintained his father is no longer part of a bikie gang. Instead, the 25-year-old drew a comparison between his association with Richmond and his dad’s current bikie associates.
“Just because he’s in a club, you can’t just say that he’s doing something wrong,” the 2016 All-Australian said.
“There are plenty of clubs out there. I’m in a footy club. He’s in a bikie club. They join and get together and go for rides. I go to my club and play football.”
Late last year, Shane Martin submitted a claim to return to Australia, saying he was of Aboriginal decent. The claim was rejected by a three-member board in early January.
Martin had hoped to use the confirmation to appeal his deportation.
“Many of these criminals will claim that they are being picked at random somehow or that we are picking people that don’t have criminal histories. It’s nonsense,” Minister Dutton told Channel 9.
“We are looking at those criminals who have been identified by police and intelligence agencies around the country that are the highest value targets.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-star-dustin-martin-opens-up-on-the-pain-of-his-fathers-deportation-to-new-zealand/news-story/464cfded67ca15e9c349b3edc36d8064
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Richmond Tigers star Dustin Martin appeals for father's return on A Current Affair
Neelima Choahan
The Age
February 21 2017
Richmond star Dustin Martin has urged the Federal Government to allow his deported father to return to Australia because "he hadn't done anything wrong"
In April last year, Shane Martin was deported to New Zealand for his alleged links to outlawed motorcycle gang, the Rebels, a link Dustin Martin confirmed in a television interview on Monday nigfht.
"I am in a footy club, he is in a bikie club," Martin has told Channel Nine's A Current Affair, adding his father was no longer part of the gang.
"I wake up every day hoping to get a phone call from dad, saying 'just hold on, I am coming back'," he said.
"Just because he was in a club doesn't mean he has done anything wrong.
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"I am in a footy club, he is in a bikie club, they join, get together and go for rides."
Dustin Martin was born in Victoria but his father remains a citizen of New Zealand. Speaking from there, Shane told ACA not many parents had famous sons.
"Now I sit on the other side of another country, and I can't even enjoy that," he said.
"If I committed a murder, had domestic violence or had anything to do with a threat to Australia, as they say, I could wear it.
"But I have got no charges, nothing. That's pretty hard to swallow."
Dustin Martin, a skilful midfielder who finished third in the AFL's Brownlow Medal count last year, also spoke out about missing out on his dad's support. He has had his own troubles, apologising last year for threatening to stab a restaurant patron with a chopstick after she told a drunken Martin to behave at a Melbourne eatery.
"You see the other guys with their parents. I don't have my dad there. It is pretty sad. If he was a criminal, I would cop it," Martin said.
"Taking him away for association is no reason for breaking up the family.
"I think it is pretty stupid."
According to A Current Affair Shane Martin had consented to revealing his Australian criminal record, which the show reported dated to 1990, soon after his arrival from NZ.
It includes, the show reported, unlawful assault, burglary, armed with an intent, criminal damage and resisting police. He was ordered to carry out 250 hours of community work.
Over the next six years, Shane Martin was reportedly convicted and fined four times for possessing a restricted substance and once for possessing a drug of dependence.
In 2004, according to ACA, he received a two-month prison sentence, suspended for 12 months for aiding and abetting in the trafficking of ecstasy.
His last brush with the law was reportedly in January 2004, when he was convicted and fined for possessing a drug of dependence, and possessing ecstasy and cannabis.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/richmond-tigers/richmond-tigers-star-dustin-martin-appeals-for-fathers-return-on-a-current-affair-20170220-guh8wf.html
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VIDEO: https://www.9now.com.au/a-current-affair/2017/extras/latest/170220/footy-stars-family-hell
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I am pretty confident in saying Dusty was never going to say anything else ;D
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I feel for Dusty but Dutton and the appellant board were right in keeping this bloke out of the Country. May many more follow him.
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I feel for Dusty but Dutton and the appellant board were right in keeping this bloke out of the Country. May many more follow him.
:help
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Both sides have valid points here.
IMHO the time to have deported him is when he committed his crimes. He has served his punishment now. There is no point in having deported him now when he is not doing anything wrong. Splitting a family up for no reason is draconian to say the least. If anyone can show me he is still linked to the drug trade then I will agree with them in he should stay in NZ but that does not seem to be the case now.
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Both sides have valid points here.
IMHO the time to have deported him is when he committed his crimes. He has served his punishment now. There is no point in having deported him now when he is not doing anything wrong. Splitting a family up for no reason is draconian to say the least. If anyone can show me he is still linked to the drug trade then I will agree with them in he should stay in NZ but that does not seem to be the case now.
:thumbsup
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Both sides have valid points here.
IMHO the time to have deported him is when he committed his crimes. He has served his punishment now. There is no point in having deported him now when he is not doing anything wrong. Splitting a family up for no reason is draconian to say the least. If anyone can show me he is still linked to the drug trade then I will agree with them in he should stay in NZ but that does not seem to be the case now.
But at the end of the day the world is up in arms with Trump and his wanting to ban Musilms from getting into the USA. but Dutton and fascists under the hood in the govt are ok, because of this. :huh
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No criminal offences for about 12 years... Seems a little strange to deport him now?
And FMD what a chest on the bloke, wouldn't mess with him LOL
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"No criminal record, not a criminal done nothing wrong bla bla bla" has now turned into "okay well yeah he did but show me proof he is still doing it now". If this was another players dad, doesn't even have to be from another team (i.e. Conca), I'm positive we wouldn't see so many excuses
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"No criminal record, not a criminal done nothing wrong bla bla bla" has now turned into "okay well yeah he did but show me proof he is still doing it now". If this was another players dad, doesn't even have to be from another team (i.e. Conca), I'm positive we wouldn't see so many excuses
What are the "excuses"?
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Dutton for PM and so say I.... :clapping
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Dutton for PM and so say I.... :clapping
Yeah, well said :help, until one day his/the ridiculous laws affect you, your family or one of your friends. Country has gone to poo. Deport the innocent, let the terrorists in and protect the pedo's..... great bloke.
Typical comment from someone who doesn't have a clue or someone who supports undemocratic laws and behaviours from a narcissist.
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Dutton for PM and so say I.... :clapping
Suppose you accept this instead...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4206744/NSW-Police-officer-accused-raping-nine-year-old-girl.html
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Dutton for PM and so say I.... :clapping
Yeah, well said :help, until one day his/the ridiculous laws affect you, your family or one of your friends. Country has gone to poo. Deport the innocent, let the terrorists in and protect the pedo's..... great bloke.
Typical comment from someone who doesn't have a clue or someone who supports undemocratic laws and behaviours from a narcissist.
Neither I nor my immediate family break the law or associate with criminals and even if we did, we are all Australian citizens so I'd say we don't have that much to fear....and had Martin Sr. just bothered to take out Australian citizenship in the quarter of a century that he resided here he would in fact still be here himself....
Dutton for PM and so say I.... :clapping
Suppose you accept this instead...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4206744/NSW-Police-officer-accused-raping-nine-year-old-girl.html
Well that's some pretty sweet logic there.....but I'll play just for shytes & giggles anyway... presuming he's gulity, if he's not a citizen then deport him too after he's completed a lengthy jail sentence....otherwise the lengthy jail sentence which would hopefully include regular beatings and castration at the hands of his fellow inmates will suffice...
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Dutton for PM and so say I.... :clapping
Yeah, well said :help, until one day his/the ridiculous laws affect you, your family or one of your friends. Country has gone to poo. Deport the innocent, let the terrorists in and protect the pedo's..... great bloke.
Typical comment from someone who doesn't have a clue or someone who supports undemocratic laws and behaviours from a narcissist.
Neither I nor my immediate family break the law or associate with criminals and even if we did, we are all Australian citizens so we I'd say we don't have that much to fear....and had Martin Sr. just bothered to take out Australian citizzenship in the quarter of a century that he resided here he would in fact still be here himself....
Dutton for PM and so say I.... :clapping
Suppose you accept this instead...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4206744/NSW-Police-officer-accused-raping-nine-year-old-girl.html
Well that's some pretty sweet logic there.....but I'll play just for shytes & giggles anyway... presuming he's gulity, if he's not a citizen then deport him too after he's completed a lengthy jail sentence....otherwise the lengthy jail sentence which would hopefully include regular beatings and castration at the hands of his fellow inmates will suffice...
He hasn't broken any law that saw him deported. So every one that comes to Australia should become a citizen for fear of being deported for no other reason than who they associate with....
So now you can use the words "presuming he is guilty" but Shane Martin isn't and he has copped far worse than this scumbag will. Also, did you notice the gap between the years of the crime and the conviction....anything funny there??
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Fact is, Shane has been deported for being in a club, that's about it.
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What about this Dio, would you like this where you kids go??
http://www.shared.com/mom-infuriated-after-daughter-is-taught-about-islam-in-school-2032886703.html/?utm_source=shrd&utm_medium=stuff
Or where they can walk out during our anthem, or not shake another class mates hand......this is where we are heading, this great country... :help
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Or this..
http://www.speeddirection.com/outlaw-motorcycle-clubs-a-government-lie-exposed/
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Dutton for PM and so say I.... :clapping
Yeah, well said :help, until one day his/the ridiculous laws affect you, your family or one of your friends. Country has gone to poo. Deport the innocent, let the terrorists in and protect the pedo's..... great bloke.
Typical comment from someone who doesn't have a clue or someone who supports undemocratic laws and behaviours from a narcissist.
Neither I nor my immediate family break the law or associate with criminals and even if we did, we are all Australian citizens so we I'd say we don't have that much to fear....and had Martin Sr. just bothered to take out Australian citizzenship in the quarter of a century that he resided here he would in fact still be here himself....
Dutton for PM and so say I.... :clapping
Suppose you accept this instead...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4206744/NSW-Police-officer-accused-raping-nine-year-old-girl.html
Well that's some pretty sweet logic there.....but I'll play just for shytes & giggles anyway... presuming he's gulity, if he's not a citizen then deport him too after he's completed a lengthy jail sentence....otherwise the lengthy jail sentence which would hopefully include regular beatings and castration at the hands of his fellow inmates will suffice...
He hasn't broken any law that saw him deported. So every one that comes to Australia should become a citizen for fear of being deported for no other reason than who they associate with....
So now you can use the words "presuming he is guilty" but Shane Martin isn't and he has copped far worse than this scumbag will. Also, did you notice the gap between the years of the crime and the conviction....anything funny there??
No.
Fact is, Shane has been deported for being in a club, that's about it.
...and you wouldn't give a stuff if he wasn't a biker and the father of one of our best players.....
What about this Dio, would you like this where you kids go??
http://www.shared.com/mom-infuriated-after-daughter-is-taught-about-islam-in-school-2032886703.html/?utm_source=shrd&utm_medium=stuff
Or where they can walk out during our anthem, or not shake another class mates hand......this is where we are heading, this great country... :help
What's that got to do with this? I'm tempted to say something regarding "strawman" but frankly it'd be lost on you....
Or this..
http://www.speeddirection.com/outlaw-motorcycle-clubs-a-government-lie-exposed/
Wow - pro-biker website publishes pro-biker article, fancy that....
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Dutton for PM and so say I.... :clapping
Yeah, well said :help, until one day his/the ridiculous laws affect you, your family or one of your friends. Country has gone to poo. Deport the innocent, let the terrorists in and protect the pedo's..... great bloke.
Typical comment from someone who doesn't have a clue or someone who supports undemocratic laws and behaviours from a narcissist.
Neither I nor my immediate family break the law or associate with criminals and even if we did, we are all Australian citizens so we I'd say we don't have that much to fear....and had Martin Sr. just bothered to take out Australian citizzenship in the quarter of a century that he resided here he would in fact still be here himself....
Dutton for PM and so say I.... :clapping
Suppose you accept this instead...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4206744/NSW-Police-officer-accused-raping-nine-year-old-girl.html
Well that's some pretty sweet logic there.....but I'll play just for shytes & giggles anyway... presuming he's gulity, if he's not a citizen then deport him too after he's completed a lengthy jail sentence....otherwise the lengthy jail sentence which would hopefully include regular beatings and castration at the hands of his fellow inmates will suffice...
He hasn't broken any law that saw him deported. So every one that comes to Australia should become a citizen for fear of being deported for no other reason than who they associate with....
So now you can use the words "presuming he is guilty" but Shane Martin isn't and he has copped far worse than this scumbag will. Also, did you notice the gap between the years of the crime and the conviction....anything funny there??
No.
Fact is, Shane has been deported for being in a club, that's about it.
...and you wouldn't give a stuff if he wasn't a biker and the father of one of our best players.....
What about this Dio, would you like this where you kids go??
http://www.shared.com/mom-infuriated-after-daughter-is-taught-about-islam-in-school-2032886703.html/?utm_source=shrd&utm_medium=stuff
Or where they can walk out during our anthem, or not shake another class mates hand......this is where we are heading, this great country... :help
What's that got to do with this? I'm tempted to say something regarding "strawman" but frankly it'd be lost on you....
Or this..
http://www.speeddirection.com/outlaw-motorcycle-clubs-a-government-lie-exposed/
Wow - pro-biker website publishes pro-biker article, fancy that....
Yeah I would give a stuff, it's about morals, which Dutton clearly has none of. The people of this country will regret supporting the poo Government and what they are doing one day.
We cant support a bloke who has done nothing wrong in this country but we support other countries laws, rules and beliefs...how does that work?
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"No criminal record, not a criminal done nothing wrong bla bla bla" has now turned into "okay well yeah he did but show me proof he is still doing it now". If this was another players dad, doesn't even have to be from another team (i.e. Conca), I'm positive we wouldn't see so many excuses
Let's get some things clear here. I doubt Shane Martin would have been deported if he wasn't the father of a high profile player. The government wants maximum publicity for what amounts to be a token gesture to fix up law and order in his country.
Shane has not broken any known laws for many years now. Why deport him now?
What distinct criteria has he breached? Is it just up to the whim of the government who gets deported or do those at risk know what boundaries they must not cross?
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"No criminal record, not a criminal done nothing wrong bla bla bla" has now turned into "okay well yeah he did but show me proof he is still doing it now". If this was another players dad, doesn't even have to be from another team (i.e. Conca), I'm positive we wouldn't see so many excuses
Let's get some things clear here. I doubt Shane Martin would have been deported if he wasn't the father of a high profile player. The government wants maximum publicity for what amounts to be a token gesture to fix up law and order in his country.
Shane has not broken any known laws for many years now. Why deport him now?
What distinct criteria has he breached? Is it just up to the whim of the government who gets deported or do those at risk know what boundaries they must not cross?
Exactly!!!!
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"No criminal record, not a criminal done nothing wrong bla bla bla" has now turned into "okay well yeah he did but show me proof he is still doing it now". If this was another players dad, doesn't even have to be from another team (i.e. Conca), I'm positive we wouldn't see so many excuses
Let's get some things clear here. I doubt Shane Martin would have been deported if he wasn't the father of a high profile player. The government wants maximum publicity for what amounts to be a token gesture to fix up law and order in his country.
Shane has not broken any known laws for many years now. Why deport him now?
What distinct criteria has he breached? Is it just up to the whim of the government who gets deported or do those at risk know what boundaries they must not cross?
Yeah but if he was a muslim half of you blokes would be more comfortable with the deportation.
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"No criminal record, not a criminal done nothing wrong bla bla bla" has now turned into "okay well yeah he did but show me proof he is still doing it now". If this was another players dad, doesn't even have to be from another team (i.e. Conca), I'm positive we wouldn't see so many excuses
Let's get some things clear here. I doubt Shane Martin would have been deported if he wasn't the father of a high profile player. The government wants maximum publicity for what amounts to be a token gesture to fix up law and order in his country.
Shane has not broken any known laws for many years now. Why deport him now?
What distinct criteria has he breached? Is it just up to the whim of the government who gets deported or do those at risk know what boundaries they must not cross?
Yeah but if he was a muslim half of you blokes would be more comfortable with the deportation.
If that person was recently "convicted" of terrorist acts against Australia....YEP. But not for who he was associating with.
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"No criminal record, not a criminal done nothing wrong bla bla bla" has now turned into "okay well yeah he did but show me proof he is still doing it now". If this was another players dad, doesn't even have to be from another team (i.e. Conca), I'm positive we wouldn't see so many excuses
Let's get some things clear here. I doubt Shane Martin would have been deported if he wasn't the father of a high profile player. The government wants maximum publicity for what amounts to be a token gesture to fix up law and order in his country.
Shane has not broken any known laws for many years now. Why deport him now?
What distinct criteria has he breached? Is it just up to the whim of the government who gets deported or do those at risk know what boundaries they must not cross?
Yeah but if he was a muslim half of you blokes would be more comfortable with the deportation.
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Half of us blokes?
What are you smoking son? What have I ever said about muslims? Why should anyone be persecuted for their religious beliefs?
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"No criminal record, not a criminal done nothing wrong bla bla bla" has now turned into "okay well yeah he did but show me proof he is still doing it now". If this was another players dad, doesn't even have to be from another team (i.e. Conca), I'm positive we wouldn't see so many excuses
Let's get some things clear here. I doubt Shane Martin would have been deported if he wasn't the father of a high profile player. The government wants maximum publicity for what amounts to be a token gesture to fix up law and order in his country.
Shane has not broken any known laws for many years now. Why deport him now?
What distinct criteria has he breached? Is it just up to the whim of the government who gets deported or do those at risk know what boundaries they must not cross?
Yeah but if he was a muslim half of you blokes would be more comfortable with the deportation.
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Half of us blokes?
What are you smoking son? What have I ever said about muslims? Why should anyone be persecuted for their religious beliefs?
:lol
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"No criminal record, not a criminal done nothing wrong bla bla bla" has now turned into "okay well yeah he did but show me proof he is still doing it now". If this was another players dad, doesn't even have to be from another team (i.e. Conca), I'm positive we wouldn't see so many excuses
Let's get some things clear here. I doubt Shane Martin would have been deported if he wasn't the father of a high profile player. The government wants maximum publicity for what amounts to be a token gesture to fix up law and order in his country.
Shane has not broken any known laws for many years now. Why deport him now?
What distinct criteria has he breached? Is it just up to the whim of the government who gets deported or do those at risk know what boundaries they must not cross?
Yeah but if he was a muslim half of you blokes would be more comfortable with the deportation.
If that person was recently "convicted" of terrorist acts against Australia....YEP. But not for who he was associating with.
What about suspected?
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"No criminal record, not a criminal done nothing wrong bla bla bla" has now turned into "okay well yeah he did but show me proof he is still doing it now". If this was another players dad, doesn't even have to be from another team (i.e. Conca), I'm positive we wouldn't see so many excuses
Let's get some things clear here. I doubt Shane Martin would have been deported if he wasn't the father of a high profile player. The government wants maximum publicity for what amounts to be a token gesture to fix up law and order in his country.
Shane has not broken any known laws for many years now. Why deport him now?
What distinct criteria has he breached? Is it just up to the whim of the government who gets deported or do those at risk know what boundaries they must not cross?
Yeah but if he was a muslim half of you blokes would be more comfortable with the deportation.
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Half of us blokes?
What are you smoking son? What have I ever said about muslims? Why should anyone be persecuted for their religious beliefs?
Everybody should be persecuted for religious beliefs. #atheistcrusade
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"No criminal record, not a criminal done nothing wrong bla bla bla" has now turned into "okay well yeah he did but show me proof he is still doing it now". If this was another players dad, doesn't even have to be from another team (i.e. Conca), I'm positive we wouldn't see so many excuses
Let's get some things clear here. I doubt Shane Martin would have been deported if he wasn't the father of a high profile player. The government wants maximum publicity for what amounts to be a token gesture to fix up law and order in his country.
Shane has not broken any known laws for many years now. Why deport him now?
What distinct criteria has he breached? Is it just up to the whim of the government who gets deported or do those at risk know what boundaries they must not cross?
Yeah but if he was a muslim half of you blokes would be more comfortable with the deportation.
If that person was recently "convicted" of terrorist acts against Australia....YEP. But not for who he was associating with.
What about suspected?
That's up to Dutton isn't it!!
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"No criminal record, not a criminal done nothing wrong bla bla bla" has now turned into "okay well yeah he did but show me proof he is still doing it now". If this was another players dad, doesn't even have to be from another team (i.e. Conca), I'm positive we wouldn't see so many excuses
Let's get some things clear here. I doubt Shane Martin would have been deported if he wasn't the father of a high profile player. The government wants maximum publicity for what amounts to be a token gesture to fix up law and order in his country.
Shane has not broken any known laws for many years now. Why deport him now?
What distinct criteria has he breached? Is it just up to the whim of the government who gets deported or do those at risk know what boundaries they must not cross?
Yeah but if he was a muslim half of you blokes would be more comfortable with the deportation.
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Half of us blokes?
What are you smoking son? What have I ever said about muslims? Why should anyone be persecuted for their religious beliefs?
Everybody should be persecuted for religious beliefs. #atheistcrusade
Lol
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"No criminal record, not a criminal done nothing wrong bla bla bla" has now turned into "okay well yeah he did but show me proof he is still doing it now". If this was another players dad, doesn't even have to be from another team (i.e. Conca), I'm positive we wouldn't see so many excuses
Let's get some things clear here. I doubt Shane Martin would have been deported if he wasn't the father of a high profile player. The government wants maximum publicity for what amounts to be a token gesture to fix up law and order in his country.
Shane has not broken any known laws for many years now. Why deport him now?
What distinct criteria has he breached? Is it just up to the whim of the government who gets deported or do those at risk know what boundaries they must not cross?
Yeah but if he was a muslim half of you blokes would be more comfortable with the deportation.
If that person was recently "convicted" of terrorist acts against Australia....YEP. But not for who he was associating with.
What about suspected?
That's up to Dutton isn't it!!
Did you vote for the coalition? I didnt
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NFW.
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What about this Dio, would you like this where you kids go??
http://www.shared.com/mom-infuriated-after-daughter-is-taught-about-islam-in-school-2032886703.html/?utm_source=shrd&utm_medium=stuff
Or where they can walk out during our anthem, or not shake another class mates hand......this is where we are heading, this great country... :help
Why should you be forced to listen to a trash national anthem or shake another kids hand?
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What about this Dio, would you like this where you kids go??
http://www.shared.com/mom-infuriated-after-daughter-is-taught-about-islam-in-school-2032886703.html/?utm_source=shrd&utm_medium=stuff
Or where they can walk out during our anthem, or not shake another class mates hand......this is where we are heading, this great country... :help
Why should you be forced to listen to a trash national anthem or shake another kids hand?
Yeah, I suppose thats what the war veterans think???? The same veterans that fought so you can breath for another day.
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What about this Dio, would you like this where you kids go??
http://www.shared.com/mom-infuriated-after-daughter-is-taught-about-islam-in-school-2032886703.html/?utm_source=shrd&utm_medium=stuff
Or where they can walk out during our anthem, or not shake another class mates hand......this is where we are heading, this great country... :help
Why should you be forced to listen to a trash national anthem or shake another kids hand?
Yeah, I suppose thats what the war veterans think???? The same veterans that fought so you can breath for another day.
The war veterans believed in one person one vote.
I agree. Give the people what they want.
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Nice...
https://www.stuff.com/7NewsBrisbane/videos/1115007005178817/
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I think it's important to note the changes that have taken place.
There was always a law that non-citizens could be deported if they were jailed for a period - IIRC it was either one or two years.
The most notable case was some years back when a member of a well known Italian family was to be deported after serving years for drug trafficking.
The Department's decision to deport this man was overturned by the Immigration Minister Amanda Vanstone after his family and associates donated a large amount of money to the Liberal Party.
The reason that was given was that Vanstone did not want to break up his family living in Australia.
This man has now been convicted for involvement in a (another) major drug importation case.
This law has been changed under this government to allow people to be deported if they failed a "character test" and gave the power to the Minister.
I personally have a real problem with a politician deciding on residency based on whether he is of good character or not.
Martin has already provided an Iraqi veteran to this country, who resigned from the army in disgust after his father was judged by Dutton to be of poor character.
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I think it's important to note the changes that have taken place.
There was always a law that non-citizens could be deported if they were jailed for a period - IIRC it was either one or two years.
The most notable case was some years back when a member of a well known Italian family was to be deported after serving years for drug trafficking.
The Department's decision to deport this man was overturned by the Immigration Minister Amanda Vanstone after his family and associates donated a large amount of money to the Liberal Party.
The reason that was given was that Vanstone did not want to break up his family living in Australia.
This man has now been convicted for involvement in a (another) major drug importation case.
This law has been changed under this government to allow people to be deported if they failed a "character test" and gave the power to the Minister.
I personally have a real problem with a politician deciding on residency based on whether he is of good character or not.
Martin has already provided an Iraqi veteran to this country, who resigned from the army in disgust after his father was judged by Dutton to be of poor character.
Well said.
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Fact is, Shane has been deported for being in a club, that's about it.
Fact is that isn't accurate, IIRC when he was first deported it might have had something to do with the position he held in the club
I've met Shane, good bloke to chat to.
But I actually don't have a view one way or another on this.
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Fact is, Shane has been deported for being in a club, that's about it.
Fact is that isn't accurate, IIRC when he was first deported it might have something to do with the position he held in the club
I've met Shane, good bloke to chat to.
But I actually don't have a view one way or another on this.
Yep. An inconveniet truth for some
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Fact is, Shane has been deported for being in a club, that's about it.
Fact is that isn't accurate, IIRC when he was first deported it might have had something to do with the position he held in the club
I've met Shane, good bloke to chat to.
But I actually don't have a view one way or another on this.
Held no position when he was deported, FACT!!!!! So yes, it was accurate what I said. Don't believe all the crap you are fed on the news.
Shut up Dooks, your becoming an annoyance.
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Held no position when he was deported, FACT!!!!! So yes, it was accurate what I said. Don't believe all the crap you are fed on the news.
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One of reasons he was deported was because of the position he held or had held within the club.
And BTW not everything one hears comes from news services. I didn't hear or read about said position via the news. Got told by someone (a cop) and then decided to read up about it
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Held no position when he was deported, FACT!!!!! So yes, it was accurate what I said. Don't believe all the crap you are fed on the news.
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One of reasons he was deported was because of the position he held or had held within the club.
And BTW not everything one hears comes from news services. I didn't hear or read about said position via the news. Got told by someone (a cop) and then decided to read up about it
Well that reason is not correct. If that's the reason, which is the first time I have heard that.
Well don't believe what they say either.. :thumbsup
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What about this Dio, would you like this where you kids go??
http://www.shared.com/mom-infuriated-after-daughter-is-taught-about-islam-in-school-2032886703.html/?utm_source=shrd&utm_medium=stuff
Or where they can walk out during our anthem, or not shake another class mates hand......this is where we are heading, this great country... :help
Why should you be forced to listen to a trash national anthem or shake another kids hand?
Yeah, I suppose thats what the war veterans think???? The same veterans that fought so you can breath for another day.
Why should I care what some bloke that fought in a war thinks when it comes to being upstanding for the national anthem? Advance Australia Fair - give me a stuffing break.
And again, why should you be forced to shake another persons hand?
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Let's face it, no one on here would know anything of Martin's role in a Bikie club. For all we know he was a harmless Sgt At Arms who never got into any mischief. But stuff me, if your contribution to society is being in a one percenter bikie club then why the outrage about his deportation? :lol
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Let's face it, no one on here would know anything of Martin's role in a Bikie club. For all we know he was a harmless Sgt At Arms who never got into any mischief. But stuff me, if your contribution to society is being in a one percenter bikie club then why the outrage about his deportation? :lol
Ok, if you say so.
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What about this Dio, would you like this where you kids go??
http://www.shared.com/mom-infuriated-after-daughter-is-taught-about-islam-in-school-2032886703.html/?utm_source=shrd&utm_medium=stuff
Or where they can walk out during our anthem, or not shake another class mates hand......this is where we are heading, this great country... :help
Why should you be forced to listen to a trash national anthem or shake another kids hand?
Yeah, I suppose thats what the war veterans think???? The same veterans that fought so you can breath for another day.
Why should I care what some bloke that fought in a war thinks when it comes to being upstanding for the national anthem? Advance Australia Fair - give me a stuffing break.
And again, why should you be forced to shake another persons hand?
Not even going to bother with this comment.
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Well don't believe what they say either.. :thumbsup
So I shouldn't believe a mate because of his profession :huh3
Ok :help
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Well don't believe what they say either.. :thumbsup
So I shouldn't believe a mate because of his profession :huh3
Ok :help
Not this time, the story he told you is not correct, I will leave it at that, believe who you want for whatever reasons.
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Let's face it, no one on here would know anything of Martin's role in a Bikie club. For all we know he was a harmless Sgt At Arms who never got into any mischief. But stuff me, if your contribution to society is being in a one percenter bikie club then why the outrage about his deportation? :lol
Because other posters are doing gyhe wrong thing and are nervous
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Not this time, the story he told you is not correct, I will leave it at that, believe who you want for whatever reasons.
The "story" I got told :huh so a discussion I had with someone is them telling stories and has no basis of truth ::)
Yep you believe what you want to believe as it seems you only want to believe what comes out of the bikie club or other 'clubs'. And they are the only one "sprouting" the truth
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"No criminal record, not a criminal done nothing wrong bla bla bla" has now turned into "okay well yeah he did but show me proof he is still doing it now". If this was another players dad, doesn't even have to be from another team (i.e. Conca), I'm positive we wouldn't see so many excuses
Let's get some things clear here. I doubt Shane Martin would have been deported if he wasn't the father of a high profile player. The government wants maximum publicity for what amounts to be a token gesture to fix up law and order in his country.
Shane has not broken any known laws for many years now. Why deport him now?
What distinct criteria has he breached? Is it just up to the whim of the government who gets deported or do those at risk know what boundaries they must not cross?
Yeah but if he was a muslim half of you blokes would be more comfortable with the deportation.
If that person was recently "convicted" of terrorist acts against Australia....YEP. But not for who he was associating with.
What if it was a guy who had terrorist related convictions in the past and continued to associate with the terrorist group despite knowing he shouldn't and even held a high position within that group?
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Not this time, the story he told you is not correct, I will leave it at that, believe who you want for whatever reasons.
The "story" I got told :huh so a discussion I had with someone is them telling stories and has no basis of truth ::)
Yep you believe what you want to believe as it seems you only want to believe what comes out of the bikie club or other 'clubs'. And they are the only one "sprouting" the truth
WP you may think you are the be all and end all of football and RFC knowledge, but in this case you don't know poo. What you were told is typical propaganda crap. He was deported for who he associates with, he did not hold hold any sort of office when he was deported, FACT. I believe what I know, work it out.
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Held no position when he was deported, FACT!!!!! So yes, it was accurate what I said. Don't believe all the crap you are fed on the news.
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One of reasons he was deported was because of the position he held or had held within the club.
And BTW not everything one hears comes from news services. I didn't hear or read about said position via the news. Got told by someone (a cop) and then decided to read up about it
Yet were not allowed to publish such undocumented information ?
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Bikies are fine if they keep to themselves.
Bikies who need to act tough and push themselves out as big, tough connected guys need to pull their heads in
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I can't see how someone can endlessly bag their own players such as Morris, Batchelor and Edwards and yet stick up for a 1%er bikie with an extensive criminal history.
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:help
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Held no position when he was deported, FACT!!!!! So yes, it was accurate what I said. Don't believe all the crap you are fed on the news.
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One of reasons he was deported was because of the position he held or had held within the club.
And BTW not everything one hears comes from news services. I didn't hear or read about said position via the news. Got told by someone (a cop) and then decided to read up about it
Yet were not allowed to publish such undocumented information ?
the details (aka as the reasons given) as to why he was deported were in all the newspapers and on the TV news
I caught up with a frined who told me the reasons why and then I read the news articles about
Simple
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Held no position when he was deported, FACT!!!!! So yes, it was accurate what I said. Don't believe all the crap you are fed on the news.
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One of reasons he was deported was because of the position he held or had held within the club.
And BTW not everything one hears comes from news services. I didn't hear or read about said position via the news. Got told by someone (a cop) and then decided to read up about it
Yet were not allowed to publish such undocumented information ?
the details (aka as the reasons given) as to why he was deported were in all the newspapers and on the TV news
I caught up with a frined who told me the reasons why and then I read the news articles about
Simple
Thats fine, all I am saying is it's not true, simple.
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lollll
Every time I come into a thread posts have been deleted! What the hell happens :lol
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WP you may think you are the be all and end all of football and RFC knowledge, but in this case you don't know poo. What you were told is typical propaganda crap. He was deported for who he associates with, he did not hold hold any sort of office when he was deported, FACT. I believe what I know, work it out.
I believe what I was told and it is factual, not propaganda.
So let's go over it again
Yes or No - Shane Martin held a senior position in a bikie gang? Answer is yes he did - this is a FACT, cannot be disputed.
Yes or No - one of the reasons given by the government for his deportation was because the of the said position he held in said bikie gang. Again yes, again it's not in dispute.
I am no arguing with you about whether he held the position when he was deported. All I have said is that it was one of the reasons given for his deportation.
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WP you may think you are the be all and end all of football and RFC knowledge, but in this case you don't know poo. What you were told is typical propaganda crap. He was deported for who he associates with, he did not hold hold any sort of office when he was deported, FACT. I believe what I know, work it out.
I believe what I was told and it is factual, not propaganda.
So let's go over it again
Yes or No - Shane Martin held a senior position in a bikie gang? Answer is yes he did - this is a FACT, cannot be disputed.
Yes or No - one of the reasons given by the government for his deportation was because the of the said position he held in said bikie gang. Again yes, again it's not in dispute.
I am no arguing with you about whether he held the position when he was deported. All I have said is that it was one of the reasons given for his deportation.
It's a club not a gang so let's get that straight.
Either way deportation was not warranted and the excuses or reasons why he was deported are ridiculous, what he was has nothing to do with who he is now and that is not a criminal which is what they are saying he is.
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Held no position when he was deported, FACT!!!!! So yes, it was accurate what I said. Don't believe all the crap you are fed on the news.
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One of reasons he was deported was because of the position he held or had held within the club.
And BTW not everything one hears comes from news services. I didn't hear or read about said position via the news. Got told by someone (a cop) and then decided to read up about it
Yet were not allowed to publish such undocumented information ?
the details (aka as the reasons given) as to why he was deported were in all the newspapers and on the TV news
I caught up with a frined who told me the reasons why and then I read the news articles about
Simple
Thats fine, all I am saying is it's not true, simple.
Um, we didnt believe you the first time let alone the 37th time. You can keep repeating yourself but it wont make it true.
You dont know that the information you were given was true. For all we know your whole story could be made up.
Give it a rest and move on please.
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What happened with Shane is what it was.
For me, I agree with deportation of immigrant criminals, for them and their immediate family.
There needs to be a disinsentive to criminal activity by immigrants.
Rock on
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What happened with Shane is what it was.
For me, I agree with deportation of immigrant criminals, for them and their immediate family.
There needs to be a disinsentive to criminal activity by immigrants.
Rock on
The problem is that they are NOT deporting ALL immigrant criminals. They are being selective and we don't know the criteria that they are using. Transparency is the key here. The rules should be clear for all to see. Transgress those rules and you know you get deported. Stay out of trouble and you know you can stay.
Pretty simple but that part of the argument continues to be ignored here. :whistle
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Let's face it, no one on here would know anything of Martin's role in a Bikie club. For all we know he was a harmless Sgt At Arms who never got into any mischief. But stuff me, if your contribution to society is being in a one percenter bikie club then why the outrage about his deportation? :lol
His "contribution to society" also included fathering an Iraqi war veteran as well as Dusty and running a trucking business in Sydney providing jobs to Australians.
That's a bloody lot more than me, you or Peter Dutton have "contributed" I would think.
And according to the TV story he is still running that business from New Zealand.
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Let's face it, no one on here would know anything of Martin's role in a Bikie club. For all we know he was a harmless Sgt At Arms who never got into any mischief. But stuff me, if your contribution to society is being in a one percenter bikie club then why the outrage about his deportation? :lol
His "contribution to society" also included fathering an Iraqi war veteran as well as Dusty and running a trucking business in Sydney providing jobs to Australians.
That's a bloody lot more than me, you or Peter Dutton have "contributed" I would think.
And according to the TV story he is still running that business from New Zealand.
I'm a war veteran myself. I run my own business, I house good hearted immigrants and I don't partake in illegal activity. Pull your head in
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What happened with Shane is what it was.
For me, I agree with deportation of immigrant criminals, for them and their immediate family.
There needs to be a disinsentive to criminal activity by immigrants.
Rock on
The problem is that they are NOT deporting ALL immigrant criminals. They are being selective and we don't know the criteria that they are using. Transparency is the key here. The rules should be clear for all to see. Transgress those rules and you know you get deported. Stay out of trouble and you know you can stay.
Pretty simple but that part of the argument continues to be ignored here. :whistle
Yes!!!!!
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Let's face it, no one on here would know anything of Martin's role in a Bikie club. For all we know he was a harmless Sgt At Arms who never got into any mischief. But stuff me, if your contribution to society is being in a one percenter bikie club then why the outrage about his deportation? :lol
His "contribution to society" also included fathering an Iraqi war veteran as well as Dusty and running a trucking business in Sydney providing jobs to Australians.
That's a bloody lot more than me, you or Peter Dutton have "contributed" I would think.
And according to the TV story he is still running that business from New Zealand.
YES 2!!!
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what he was has nothing to do with who he is now and that is not a criminal which is what they are saying he is.
I didn't realise being a criminal had a use by date.
Let's not kid ourselves, a criminal is exactly what he was. Dusty sitting there on ACA saying his dad hasn't done anything wrong is comical and misguided.
Shane should have gone to jail for a decent time for what he did.
He has admitted to the following -
Unlawful assault.
Burglary.
Armed with intent.
Criminal damage.
Resisting arrest.
Caught 4 times with a restricted substance.
Once with a drug of dependence.
Aiding and abetting trafficking of ecstasy.
Possession of ecstasy and cannabis.
So this isn't a witch hunt it's his words.
"He doesn't want sympathy he wants justice."
Dunno if he necessarily deserves sympathy.
Let's be honest about one thing WAT.
You don't become President of a one percent bikie club without being a criminal. Full stop.
LOL at that rediculous ACA interview.
"Modern day stolen generation".
Calling NZ a "dumping ground for modern day criminals". Only the NZ ones you clowns.
"Is this paradise their prison forever".
"This is a life sentence".
LMAO
It's New Zealand. Not Barwon Prison.
You should have become an Aussie citizen Shane.
You only had 30 years to do it.
He might be the nicest guy in the world, and I feel sorry for his family. Not him.
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what he was has nothing to do with who he is now and that is not a criminal which is what they are saying he is.
I didn't realise being a criminal had a use by date.
Let's not kid ourselves, a criminal is exactly what he was. Dusty sitting there on ACA saying his dad hasn't done anything wrong is comical and misguided.
Shane should have gone to jail for a decent time for what he did.
He has admitted to the following -
Unlawful assault.
Burglary.
Armed with intent.
Criminal damage.
Resisting arrest.
Caught 4 times with a restricted substance.
Once with a drug of dependence.
Aiding and abetting trafficking of ecstasy.
Possession of ecstasy and cannabis.
So this isn't a witch hunt it's his words.
"He doesn't want sympathy he wants justice."
Dunno if he necessarily deserves sympathy.
Let's be honest about one thing WAT.
You don't become President of a one percent bikie club without being a criminal. Full stop.
LOL at that rediculous ACA interview.
"Modern day stolen generation".
Calling NZ a "dumping ground for modern day criminals". Only the NZ ones you clowns.
"Is this paradise their prison forever".
"This is a life sentence".
LMAO
It's New Zealand. Not Barwon Prison.
You should have become an Aussie citizen Shane.
You only had 30 years to do it.
He might be the nicest guy in the world, and I feel sorry for his family. Not him.
I tend to agree Damo. Well said.
Like you said, you don't become the president of a bikie club by just being liked by the other members.
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Probably gotta blow a few blokes too
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There is no doubt he has been a bad boy. Nobody is disputing that. All of those arguing against WAT still refuse to acknowledge the lack of transparency in this decision.
Answer me this. How many others have been deported? How many that haven't been deported have broken more laws? At what point do you fail to reach a status that deems you a satisfactory immigrant with the rights to stay in this country? Are these points well circulated? Are they well documented? Does the minister suddenly become judge, jury and executioner and everyone is ok with this?
You all fail to see the bigger picture here. You just like to sink the boots in because he was a bad bikie. Yes he was, but we know he was that a long time ago. What has he done recently to bring attention to himself to the authorities?
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I didn't realise being a criminal had a use by date.
Let's not kid ourselves, a criminal is exactly what he was.
Shane should have gone to jail for a decent time for what he did.
He has admitted to the following -
Unlawful assault.
Burglary.
Armed with intent.
Criminal damage.
Resisting arrest.
Caught 4 times with a restricted substance.
Once with a drug of dependence.
Aiding and abetting trafficking of ecstasy.
Possession of ecstasy and cannabis.
You don't become President of a one percent bikie club without being a criminal. Full stop.
So many assumptions in your post.
Being a criminal DOES have a use by date. After you are charged, convicted and serve your sentence you are no longer a criminal. That's the law. You can't be convicted of the same crimes twice.
You even acknowledge this by using the past tense WAS, not is, WAS.
You say he should have gone to jail for a decent time. Why? After conviction he was given fines and a 250 hour community order bond.
You say he admitted to a list of crimes. Sorry, but just where has he admitted to that list of crimes? What I heard on the TV story was that he had been charged and received a bond and fines.
Being charged is not convicted. Do you really believe that everyone charged is guilty?
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There is no doubt he has been a bad boy. Nobody is disputing that. All of those arguing against WAT still refuse to acknowledge the lack of transparency in this decision.
Answer me this. How many others have been deported? How many that haven't been deported have broken more laws? At what point do you fail to reach a status that deems you a satisfactory immigrant with the rights to stay in this country? Are these points well circulated? Are they well documented? Does the minister suddenly become judge, jury and executioner and everyone is ok with this?
You all fail to see the bigger picture here. You just like to sink the boots in because he was a bad bikie. Yes he was, but we know he was that a long time ago. What has he done recently to bring attention to himself to the authorities?
I think it is you who is failing to see reality here.
Whether right or wrong there is no way the government is going to share information with the general public they they believe is classified.
I think just like the Israeli populace you just need to rest assured that your government is doing everything it can to protect the general populace form security risks and if they decide you don't need to know something then you will just have to suck it up.
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There is no doubt he has been a bad boy. Nobody is disputing that. All of those arguing against WAT still refuse to acknowledge the lack of transparency in this decision.
Answer me this. How many others have been deported? How many that haven't been deported have broken more laws? At what point do you fail to reach a status that deems you a satisfactory immigrant with the rights to stay in this country? Are these points well circulated? Are they well documented? Does the minister suddenly become judge, jury and executioner and everyone is ok with this?
You all fail to see the bigger picture here. You just like to sink the boots in because he was a bad bikie. Yes he was, but we know he was that a long time ago. What has he done recently to bring attention to himself to the authorities?
I think it is you who is failing to see reality here.
Whether right or wrong there is no way the government is going to share information with the general public they they believe is classified.
I think just like the Israeli populace you just need to rest assured that your government is doing everything it can to protect the general populace form security risks and if they decide you don't need to know something then you will just have to suck it up.
Bullsh*t.
Classified information? You are completely deluded. So you are embarking on a system with no checks or balances. A system which decides who is guilty without warning and with prejudice.
God help you if you are put in that situation yourself. No fair trial. Some minister deciding what's best despite them having no formal qualifications that would allow them to even consider a decision, let alone making one.
If you think a country should be run that way then you should go and find one that has a dictatorship and go and live there. That might just change your mind....
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Held no position when he was deported, FACT!!!!! So yes, it was accurate what I said. Don't believe all the crap you are fed on the news.
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One of reasons he was deported was because of the position he held or had held within the club.
And BTW not everything one hears comes from news services. I didn't hear or read about said position via the news. Got told by someone (a cop) and then decided to read up about it
Yet were not allowed to publish such undocumented information ?
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There is no doubt he has been a bad boy. Nobody is disputing that. All of those arguing against WAT still refuse to acknowledge the lack of transparency in this decision.
Answer me this. How many others have been deported? How many that haven't been deported have broken more laws? At what point do you fail to reach a status that deems you a satisfactory immigrant with the rights to stay in this country? Are these points well circulated? Are they well documented? Does the minister suddenly become judge, jury and executioner and everyone is ok with this?
You all fail to see the bigger picture here. You just like to sink the boots in because he was a bad bikie. Yes he was, but we know he was that a long time ago. What has he done recently to bring attention to himself to the authorities?
I think it is you who is failing to see reality here.
Whether right or wrong there is no way the government is going to share information with the general public they they believe is classified.
I think just like the Israeli populace you just need to rest assured that your government is doing everything it can to protect the general populace form security risks and if they decide you don't need to know something then you will just have to suck it up.
Bullsh*t.
Classified information? You are completely deluded. So you are embarking on a system with no checks or balances. A system which decides who is guilty without warning and with prejudice.
God help you if you are put in that situation yourself. No fair trial. Some minister deciding what's best despite them having no formal qualifications that would allow them to even consider a decision, let alone making one.
If you think a country should be run that way then you should go and find one that has a dictatorship and go and live there. That might just change your mind....
I think you just have to accept your on a need to know basis and leave it at that
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what he was has nothing to do with who he is now and that is not a criminal which is what they are saying he is.
I didn't realise being a criminal had a use by date.
Let's not kid ourselves, a criminal is exactly what he was. Dusty sitting there on ACA saying his dad hasn't done anything wrong is comical and misguided.
Shane should have gone to jail for a decent time for what he did.
He has admitted to the following -
Unlawful assault.
Burglary.
Armed with intent.
Criminal damage.
Resisting arrest.
Caught 4 times with a restricted substance.
Once with a drug of dependence.
Aiding and abetting trafficking of ecstasy.
Possession of ecstasy and cannabis.
So this isn't a witch hunt it's his words.
"He doesn't want sympathy he wants justice."
Dunno if he necessarily deserves sympathy.
Let's be honest about one thing WAT.
You don't become President of a one percent bikie club without being a criminal. Full stop.
LOL at that rediculous ACA interview.
"Modern day stolen generation".
Calling NZ a "dumping ground for modern day criminals". Only the NZ ones you clowns.
"Is this paradise their prison forever".
"This is a life sentence".
LMAO
It's New Zealand. Not Barwon Prison.
You should have become an Aussie citizen Shane.
You only had 30 years to do it.
He might be the nicest guy in the world, and I feel sorry for his family. Not him.
as i suggested in an earlier post, the current clowns that masquerade as a govt also state, but if you leave Australia to fight for ISIS you MIGHT not be allowed back in the country. I repeat, MIGHT NOT. Its comes with the territory whereby people with zero skills in anything other than selling a policy to an electorate that they will win anyway, are afforded ministerial positions that define a country...its quite comical
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There is no doubt he has been a bad boy. Nobody is disputing that. All of those arguing against WAT still refuse to acknowledge the lack of transparency in this decision.
Answer me this. How many others have been deported? How many that haven't been deported have broken more laws? At what point do you fail to reach a status that deems you a satisfactory immigrant with the rights to stay in this country? Are these points well circulated? Are they well documented? Does the minister suddenly become judge, jury and executioner and everyone is ok with this?
You all fail to see the bigger picture here. You just like to sink the boots in because he was a bad bikie. Yes he was, but we know he was that a long time ago. What has he done recently to bring attention to himself to the authorities?
I think it is you who is failing to see reality here.
Whether right or wrong there is no way the government is going to share information with the general public they they believe is classified.
I think just like the Israeli populace you just need to rest assured that your government is doing everything it can to protect the general populace form security risks and if they decide you don't need to know something then you will just have to suck it up.
Bullsh*t.
Classified information? You are completely deluded. So you are embarking on a system with no checks or balances. A system which decides who is guilty without warning and with prejudice.
God help you if you are put in that situation yourself. No fair trial. Some minister deciding what's best despite them having no formal qualifications that would allow them to even consider a decision, let alone making one.
If you think a country should be run that way then you should go and find one that has a dictatorship and go and live there. That might just change your mind....
:bow
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Hopefully with the start of the footy, it will be the end of rubbish threads like this.
Close thread.
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Keep the thread going, some good points being raised, the uneducated need to move on ^^^.
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Keep the thread going, some good points being raised, the uneducated need to move on ^^^.
I'll wager that I've got at least 9 years more 'education' than yourself WAT. I'm m tipping you left high school at 14
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Bullsh*t.
Classified information? You are completely deluded. So you are embarking on a system with no checks or balances. A system which decides who is guilty without warning and with prejudice.
God help you if you are put in that situation yourself. No fair trial. Some minister deciding what's best despite them having no formal qualifications that would allow them to even consider a decision, let alone making one.
If you think a country should be run that way then you should go and find one that has a dictatorship and go and live there. That might just change your mind....
There is a whole world of poo that is kept from you. It has nothing to do with checks and balances. You really don't need to know. The facts are solid and the threats are real and it has nothing to do with being a dictatorship. Compromising information compromises the function of agencies to act. Forewarned, forearmed, but it cuts both ways
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I can sense a pouting foot stamping reply coming
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There is a whole world of poo that is kept from you. It has nothing to do with checks and balances. You really don't need to know. The facts are solid and the threats are real and it has nothing to do with being a dictatorship. Compromising information compromises the function of agencies to act. Forewarned, forearmed, but it cuts both ways
While I understand that not all information is shared with the public, the public has a right to know what the actual rules are. To our knowledge Shane hasn't committed a crime for many years. Why deport him now? Why not deport others like him?
The answers to these questions are not types that threaten national security. There are no reasons to keep them from the public. Do you really think deporting Shane has made really any difference to the safety of everyday Australians? Or do you believe in conspiracy theories too?
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Do you really think deporting Shane has made really any difference to the safety of everyday Australians? Or do you believe in conspiracy theories too?
You can't prove that it hasn't so why would you expect others to prove that it has?
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Do you really think deporting Shane has made really any difference to the safety of everyday Australians? Or do you believe in conspiracy theories too?[/i]
You can't prove that it hasn't so why would you expect others to prove that it has?
Who asked for proof? I just asked for an opinion. Mind you to give an answer of merit would require some fair reasoning. Why is that unfair? I would say that a bloke that hasn't committed a crime for many years would not pose any threat now to the community. If there was evidence that his crimes were continuing, that would be a different situation. However, we have not been given that information and I can't see why it would be necessary to withhold that information from the public if it existed.
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Who asked for proof? I just asked for an opinion. Mind you to give an answer of merit would require some fair reasoning. Why is that unfair? I would say that a bloke that hasn't committed a crime for many years would not pose any threat now to the community. If there was evidence that his crimes were continuing, that would be a different situation. However, we have not been given that information and I can't see why it would be necessary to withhold that information from the public if it existed.
Semantics.
Not like you are going to agree with a contrary opinion so why bother asking for one?
Anyway nobody knows for certain except Shane and the Police.
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Semantics.
Not like you are going to agree with a contrary opinion so why bother asking for one?
Anyway nobody knows for certain except Shane and the Police.
:help
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Do you really think deporting Shane has made really any difference to the safety of everyday Australians? Or do you believe in conspiracy theories too?
Who asked for proof? I just asked for an opinion. Mind you to give an answer of merit would require some fair reasoning. Why is that unfair? I would say that a bloke that hasn't committed a crime for many years would not pose any threat now to the community. If there was evidence that his crimes were continuing, that would be a different situation. However, we have not been given that information and I can't see why it would be necessary to withhold that information from the public if it existed.
How do you know he hasn't broken the law, maybe he hasn't been caught.
You can't prove that it hasn't so why would you expect others to prove that it has?
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How do you know he hasn't broken the law, maybe he hasn't been caught.
You can't prove that it hasn't so why would you expect others to prove that it has?
LMAO. Now we have to prove our innocence. Are you serious? Do you really want to be arrested and have to prove you were innocent? :help
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Well, you have drawn suspicion to yourself by defending known criminals vehemently, this needs to be looked into
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Can we do a better job of editing this
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Well, you have drawn suspicion to yourself by defending known criminals vehemently, this needs to be looked into
The ONLY reason he cares is it's Dusty's dad.
Otherwise he wouldn't give a continental.
Probably wouldn't have even realised it was going on.
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are you now defending the defender of a known criminal? hmmm collusion..more questions
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Well, you have drawn suspicion to yourself by defending known criminals vehemently, this needs to be looked into
The ONLY reason he cares is it's Dusty's dad.
Otherwise he wouldn't give a continental.
Probably wouldn't have even realised it was going on.
It's not about caring. It's about what is right. It's about transparent processes. Of course we are only aware of this because he is the father of a well known sports person. That itself is a concern.
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LMAO. Now we have to prove our innocence. Are you serious? Do you really want to be arrested and have to prove you were innocent? :help
LYAO indeed. Are you 100% sure he's not committed a crime? I'll bet you were one of those purists who didn't think Ben Cousins was taking drugs until it was too late because he never tested positive. Good criminals don't always get caught. LMAO at your naivety
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LYAO indeed. Are you 100% sure he's not committed a crime? I'll bet you were one of those purists who didn't think Ben Cousins was taking drugs until it was too late because he never tested positive. Good criminals don't always get caught. LMAO at your naivety
Really? Gee whizz I didn't know that!
Are you bloody serious? I'm not even talking about being 100% sure that he was innocent. I'm talking about if you are 100% sure he is guilty of committing crimes recently.
That IS the law. You must be presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty. Or did you conveniently forget that? LMAO at your stupidity if you just didn't know that.
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Not sure that the principles of natural justice for courts of law apply for immigration matters.
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Not sure that the principles of natural justice for courts of law apply for immigration matters.
That has been exactly my point. Transparency. What are the rules that pertain to deportation? We know Shane did commit crimes but that was a long time ago. What rules has he recently transgressed to facilitate his deportation? Have others been deported too who have been in similar situations? Was he picked on because he is a famous sportsman's son? If others are at risk (and I'm sure there are) what can they do to prevent their deportation? Can Shane have done anything to prevent his deportation other than becoming a citizen?
These are the questions we should ALL be asking. Not just because Shane is Dustin's dad, but because we all should be aware of the rules. We then may be able to use them to deport those who are making the country less safe by alerting authorities of those who clearly fit the criteria of dangerous people who can be deported. However, we are all in the dark.
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I wouldn't mind a few people being deported
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Not sure that the principles of natural justice for courts of law apply for immigration matters.
That has been exactly my point. Transparency. What are the rules that pertain to deportation? We know Shane did commit crimes but that was a long time ago. What rules has he recently transgressed to facilitate his deportation? Have others been deported too who have been in similar situations? Was he picked on because he is a famous sportsman's son? If others are at risk (and I'm sure there are) what can they do to prevent their deportation? Can Shane have done anything to prevent his deportation other than becoming a citizen?
These are the questions we should ALL be asking. Not just because Shane is Dustin's dad, but because we all should be aware of the rules. We then may be able to use them to deport those who are making the country less safe by alerting authorities of those who clearly fit the criteria of dangerous people who can be deported. However, we are all in the dark.
Just stop, you are being too logical, many here won't understand what you are saying.
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I wouldn't mind a few people being deported
Do it :clapping
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Not sure that the principles of natural justice for courts of law apply for immigration matters.
That has been exactly my point. Transparency. What are the rules that pertain to deportation? We know Shane did commit crimes but that was a long time ago. What rules has he recently transgressed to facilitate his deportation? Have others been deported too who have been in similar situations? Was he picked on because he is a famous sportsman's son? If others are at risk (and I'm sure there are) what can they do to prevent their deportation? Can Shane have done anything to prevent his deportation other than becoming a citizen?
These are the questions we should ALL be asking. Not just because Shane is Dustin's dad, but because we all should be aware of the rules. We then may be able to use them to deport those who are making the country less safe by alerting authorities of those who clearly fit the criteria of dangerous people who can be deported. However, we are all in the dark.
You have valid points but tell me this, please. If you travelled/ lived overseas and didn't become a citizen of that country, committed serious crimes and joined and retained a membership of a group that is linked to crime, do you think you wouldn't be at risk of deportation regardless of whether you had knowledge of the deportation policy?
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Really? Gee whizz I didn't know that!
Are you bloody serious? I'm not even talking about being 100% sure that he was innocent. I'm talking about if you are 100% sure he is guilty of committing crimes recently.
That IS the law. You must be presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty. Or did you conveniently forget that? LMAO at your stupidity if you just didn't know that.
I'm aware of the law. Where did I state I wasn't aware of the law?
I'm also aware that people try to break the law and get away with it.
Are you aware of that?
Why do you resort to personal attacks when you got all hot and steamy about that topic a few weeks ago?
I find it quite offensive. Are you going to apologise or will you continue posting sanctimonious rants that don't take anyone that has a contrary view.
It must be sad to live such a narrow minded life.
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Not sure that the principles of natural justice for courts of law apply for immigration matters.
That has been exactly my point. Transparency. What are the rules that pertain to deportation? We know Shane did commit crimes but that was a long time ago. What rules has he recently transgressed to facilitate his deportation? Have others been deported too who have been in similar situations? Was he picked on because he is a famous sportsman's son? If others are at risk (and I'm sure there are) what can they do to prevent their deportation? Can Shane have done anything to prevent his deportation other than becoming a citizen?
These are the questions we should ALL be asking. Not just because Shane is Dustin's dad, but because we all should be aware of the rules. We then may be able to use them to deport those who are making the country less safe by alerting authorities of those who clearly fit the criteria of dangerous people who can be deported. However, we are all in the dark.
You have valid points but tell me this, please. If you travelled/ lived overseas and didn't become a citizen of that country, committed serious crimes and joined and retained a membership of a group that is linked to crime, do you think you wouldn't be at risk of deportation regardless of whether you had knowledge of the deportation policy?
I wouldn't bother, you'll get called an idiot and when you question then get called abusive. It's a shame because a good chunk of his posts are informative and insightful, it's just when someone chooses a different path he seems to think no horse can be high enough to climb aboard.
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Not sure that the principles of natural justice for courts of law apply for immigration matters.
That has been exactly my point. Transparency. What are the rules that pertain to deportation? We know Shane did commit crimes but that was a long time ago. What rules has he recently transgressed to facilitate his deportation? Have others been deported too who have been in similar situations? Was he picked on because he is a famous sportsman's son? If others are at risk (and I'm sure there are) what can they do to prevent their deportation? Can Shane have done anything to prevent his deportation other than becoming a citizen?
These are the questions we should ALL be asking. Not just because Shane is Dustin's dad, but because we all should be aware of the rules. We then may be able to use them to deport those who are making the country less safe by alerting authorities of those who clearly fit the criteria of dangerous people who can be deported. However, we are all in the dark.
You have valid points but tell me this, please. If you travelled/ lived overseas and didn't become a citizen of that country, committed serious crimes and joined and retained a membership of a group that is linked to crime, do you think you wouldn't be at risk of deportation regardless of whether you had knowledge of the deportation policy?
If I had paid my dues for my crimes and had not committed any others I would really would want to know why I was being deported. Just being associated with a group of people isn't enough. Do you say all cops are bad just because there are dirty cops? Of course not. I have continually stated that if evidence exists that directly involves him to ANY criminal activity now then that is a good reason to deport him. Just having an association with a bikie gang isn't a valid reason IMHO. Any fair minded person would agree.
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I'm aware of the law. Where did I state I wasn't aware of the law?
I'm also aware that people try to break the law and get away with it.
Are you aware of that?
Why do you resort to personal attacks when you got all hot and steamy about that topic a few weeks ago?
I find it quite offensive. Are you going to apologise or will you continue posting sanctimonious rants that don't take anyone that has a contrary view.
It must be sad to live such a narrow minded life.
Apologise for what? Why don't you read your own sanctimonious posts? You called me naive for instance. You make silly statements referring to the fact that people commit crimes and get away with it. I didn't come down in the last shower. I think everyone here realises that basic fact. This still doesn't mean we go around and deport people because they may have committed more crimes and got away with them. There is a good reason why there must be some proof before we arrest people.
If you find my posts offensive, that's not my problem. Why don't you find some logical argument to convince me that you are correct in your views instead of complaining? I haven't seen any logic so far. I don't find the statement that people break the law and get away with it adds anything to the argument. You also might think I'm hot and steamy about the topic but nothing could be further from the truth. I'm extremely comfortable with my view.
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That facts are that you Y&BB are comfortable with all your views which speaks volumes. Anyway, there was a valid post that I'm taking on board as I've gone off topic which I'm happy to admit to contributing to and will now move on.
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Apologise for what? Why don't you read your own sanctimonious posts? You called me naive for instance. You make silly statements referring to the fact that people commit crimes and get away with it. I didn't come down in the last shower. I think everyone here realises that basic fact. This still doesn't mean we go around and deport people because they may have committed more crimes and got away with them. There is a good reason why there must be some proof before we arrest people.
If you find my posts offensive, that's not my problem. Why don't you find some logical argument to convince me that you are correct in your views instead of complaining? I haven't seen any logic so far. I don't find the statement that people break the law and get away with it adds anything to the argument. You also might think I'm hot and steamy about the topic but nothing could be further from the truth. I'm extremely comfortable with my view.
:clapping
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So lets hope Dusty gets his dad back, for his and his brothers sake and also the family that Dutton has torn apart!
Shame on you Dutton and your selective inconsistent biased laws.
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So lets hope Dusty gets his dad back, for his and his brothers sake and also the family that Dutton has torn apart!
Shame on you Dutton and your selective inconsistent biased laws.
I don't mind Dutton, I am glad someone in power is worried about national security
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So lets hope Dusty gets his dad back, for his and his brothers sake and also the family that Dutton has torn apart!
Shame on you Dutton and your selective inconsistent biased laws.
I don't mind Dutton, I am glad someone in power is worried about national security
Does deporting one bikie really show that he is worried about national security or does it show he likes to be seen to make the right moves? If he was serious, he'd be flexing his considerable muscle a little bit more than that. Of course he maybe doing more behind the scenes but we haven't heard anything to back that up as yet. Let's just say he wouldn't be the first politician to do something for just publicity's sake.
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Not enough needless quoting of long post in this thread. Very dissapointing indeed
Not sure that the principles of natural justice for courts of law apply for immigration matters.
Going way off topic here, but one place where the principles of natural justice for courts of law do not apply is tribunal hearings.
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thread unlocked (for now) - go off track again and it gets locked permanently
Massive cull complete :banghead
FWIW A number of posters are walking a very thin line with their constant baiting and abuse of others (and not just in this thread I hasten to add)
I am not interested in finger pointing, who started it, who believes they are the victim aka as "the blame game"
And the point below stands ....
Folks it isnt hard, quote what you are answering, edit out what isn't relevant. People don't need to wade thorugh pages of quotes that started a week ago
As I said it isnt hard :banghead
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Does anyone think Dusty would give the game up because of this and move to NZ to be with his father? His brother quit the Army as a result of this.
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Does anyone think Dusty would give the game up because of this and move to NZ to be with his father? His brother quit the Army as a result of this.
Do you think that he would do that?
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Was his brother getting paid $500k odd in the army
Of course stuffing not
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:lol
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While I understand that not all information is shared with the public, the public has a right to know what the actual rules are.
"Foreign criminals automatically have their visas cancelled under section 501 of the Migration Act if they are sentenced to a jail term of a year or more, and also if they are a member of a bikie gang and suspected of criminal activity."
"Laws introduced in December allow the Government to deport foreign born people who have served up to 12 months jail or who fail character tests."
"The character test is both broad and subjective. It includes provision that a person can have a visa cancelled if the minister “reasonably suspects” a person of associating with a group or person engaged in criminal activity, even if they commit no crime themselves."
All quotes can be found in the links below.
If you would like the official wording under section 501 I refer you to http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ma1958118/s501.html. Specifically subsection 6b
Why not deport others like him?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-13/deportations-from-australia-to-new-zealand-climb/6847510
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/78808458/former-criminal-deported-and-separated-from-family-after-40-years-in-australia
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/convicted-criminals-deported-back-to-new-zealand-at-the-rate-of-more-than-one-a-day/news-story/9d835f88d2dfd9c488cf9e42cb99e229
http://www.smh.com.au/national/career-criminal-49-to-be-deported-from-australia-after-leaving-nz-as-a-baby-20161231-gtkc7l.html
http://www.news.com.au/national/decorated-nz-soldier-ko-rutene-is-being-detained-in-australia/news-story/a3fb3466efebe5db56ea4978afa3b9e6 -- This one in particular is "like Shane" except he has supposedly not even been convicted of a crime
So what makes these people not "like him". The fact he's a somewhat "high profile" person (due to being the father of Dustin) or the fact he's the father of a RFC player?
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Also why is no one campaigning for this guy? WAT and YBB seem passionate about these laws but seem to be selective on Richmond players fathers
"Ian Wightman, a British citizen who has spent 50 of his 51 years in Australia, who served in the Australian army reserve, and whose partner, siblings and elderly parents are in Australia, is being held on the island facing deportation for lighting a scrub fire."
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/nov/13/christmas-island-detention-why-is-australia-deporting-so-many-people
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Also why is no one campaigning for this guy? WAT and YBB seem passionate about these laws but seem to be selective on Richmond players fathers
"Ian Wightman, a British citizen who has spent 50 of his 51 years in Australia, who served in the Australian army reserve, and whose partner, siblings and elderly parents are in Australia, is being held on the island facing deportation for lighting a scrub fire."
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/nov/13/christmas-island-detention-why-is-australia-deporting-so-many-people
Its nothing to do with him being the father of a RFC player and many more are petitioning for him to return, as they are for Alex Vella to return and a lot of Tattooists to have their licenses returned as a result of the draconian laws in QLD.
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Was his brother getting paid $500k odd in the army
Of course stuffing not
Its a matter of respect, family and principle for some, money doesn't always come first.
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What else are all these geniuses petitioning for Alex Vella to be let back into the country petitioning for? Ivan Milat to be released? Leash law exemptions for Pitbulls & Akitas?
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What else are all these geniuses petitioning for Alex Vella to be let back into the country petitioning for? Ivan Milat to be released? Leash law exemptions for Pitbulls & Akitas?
Comparing Vella to Milat....LMFAO... a convicted serial killer against a man who has done nothing wrong other than ride bikes with his mates and had his Visa removed by a narcissist dictator who follows his own law.
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What else are all these geniuses petitioning for Alex Vella to be let back into the country petitioning for? Ivan Milat to be released? Leash law exemptions for Pitbulls & Akitas?
Comparing Vella to Milat....LMFAO... a convicted serial killer against a man who has done nothing wrong other than ride bikes with his mates and had his Visa removed by a narcissist dictator who follows his own law.
Alex Vella has not led a blameless life.
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Was his brother getting paid $500k odd in the army
Of course stuffing not
Its a matter of respect, family and principle for some, money doesn't always come first.
You are joking arent you.
You are way under estimating the value of money.
Even from your bikie gang associations you should know what they would do for money. Throw 10 bucks there way and you could get a range of services performed.
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What else are all these geniuses petitioning for Alex Vella to be let back into the country petitioning for? Ivan Milat to be released? Leash law exemptions for Pitbulls & Akitas?
Comparing Vella to Milat....LMFAO... a convicted serial killer against a man who has done nothing wrong other than ride bikes with his mates and had his Visa removed by a narcissist dictator who follows his own law.
Alex Vella has not led a blameless life.
No he's a good boy who loves his mother, does charity work, helps old ladies across the street and just wants to ride his bike with his chums to church and to deliver toys to the poor little orphan kiddies......... :whistle
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What else are all these geniuses petitioning for Alex Vella to be let back into the country petitioning for? Ivan Milat to be released? Leash law exemptions for Pitbulls & Akitas?
Comparing Vella to Milat....LMFAO... a convicted serial killer against a man who has done nothing wrong other than ride bikes with his mates and had his Visa removed by a narcissist dictator who follows his own law.
Alex Vella has not led a blameless life.
Is he a serial killer?? He was also accused of tax evasion, that was unsubstantiated and he was not convicted...
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Was his brother getting paid $500k odd in the army
Of course stuffing not
Its a matter of respect, family and principle for some, money doesn't always come first.
You are joking arent you.
You are way under estimating the value of money.
Even from your bikie gang associations you should know what they would do for money. Throw 10 bucks there way and you could get a range of services performed.
Maybe you underestimate the loyalty of family.
Wow chuck, you do live in another world don't you. Keep reading the press mate.
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What else are all these geniuses petitioning for Alex Vella to be let back into the country petitioning for? Ivan Milat to be released? Leash law exemptions for Pitbulls & Akitas?
Comparing Vella to Milat....LMFAO... a convicted serial killer against a man who has done nothing wrong other than ride bikes with his mates and had his Visa removed by a narcissist dictator who follows his own law.
Alex Vella has not led a blameless life.
No he's a good boy who loves his mother, does charity work, helps old ladies across the street and just wants to ride his bike with his chums to church and to deliver toys to the poor little orphan kiddies......... :whistle
Yeah just like many hypocrites that live in their glass houses with buckets of rocks.
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Was his brother getting paid $500k odd in the army
Of course stuffing not
Its a matter of respect, family and principle for some, money doesn't always come first.
You are joking arent you.
You are way under estimating the value of money.
Even from your bikie gang associations you should know what they would do for money. Throw 10 bucks there way and you could get a range of services performed.
Maybe you underestimate the loyalty of family.
Wow chuck, you do live in another world don't you. Keep reading the press mate.
Can I live in your world where bikies are the model citizens that we all should aspire to
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No, Dustin Martin will not leave Richmond to live in New Zealand. The kid did not finish high school. I'm not sure his work prospects are particularly good should he decide to retire. Dumb question.
Was his brother getting paid $500k odd in the army
Of course stuffing not
Its a matter of respect, family and principle for some, money doesn't always come first.
You are joking arent you.
You are way under estimating the value of money.
Even from your bikie gang associations you should know what they would do for money. Throw 10 bucks there way and you could get a range of services performed.
Maybe you underestimate the loyalty of family.
Wow chuck, you do live in another world don't you. Keep reading the press mate.
WA Tiger, this is NOT okay!!
It seems you feel like you are being baited into insulting other people but grow up and stop using it as an excuse!
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What else are all these geniuses petitioning for Alex Vella to be let back into the country petitioning for? Ivan Milat to be released? Leash law exemptions for Pitbulls & Akitas?
Comparing Vella to Milat....LMFAO... a convicted serial killer against a man who has done nothing wrong other than ride bikes with his mates and had his Visa removed by a narcissist dictator who follows his own law.
Alex Vella has not led a blameless life.
No he's a good boy who loves his mother, does charity work, helps old ladies across the street and just wants to ride his bike with his chums to church and to deliver toys to the poor little orphan kiddies......... :whistle
Yeah just like many hypocrites that live in their glass houses with buckets of rocks.
If you are going to get personal about others being correct, you could at least get the proverb correct. It refers to stones not rocks.
Just sayin
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While I understand that not all information is shared with the public, the public has a right to know what the actual rules are.
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