Andrew Krakouer threads [merged]

[om21]

I never said sack him NOW. But every footballer has a clock, you cant keep them on your list forever. I hope he does turn it on because we are crying for a small forward to be consistently dangerous and frankly he is not serving that role, and he doesnt have the fitness, nor body size nor mental capacity to go on the ball for more than spurts. He just needs a kick in the pants.........

Do you agree with giving him a 3-year deal last year with a salary or around $200-$250k?

[Bulluss]

Exactly OM21

I never declared that i had more talent or a better engine(wouldnt mind betting that i may have more endurance than him though) but if people can stand up and say that Krak is one of the best small forwards in the league then you have to be kidding yourself.

Look at the list of players i posted.

Sure i look and them and would like to think Krak is better than them, but when you look at the returns that they provide most of them out do Krak.

X-cited, you also mention the amount of inside 50's. Surely Matthew Robbins would have had fairly similar opportunities to Krak, he has kicked 29 goals and had a total of 46 scoring shots. Now i would like to think that Krak would wipe is arse with Robbins but you can have as much talent as you like but you still have to use it.

Krak has never player anymore than a total of 1 good qtr in a game. He needs to be more consistant over the whole game. I also agree he isnt the only one.

[letsgetiton!]

Exactly OM21

I never declared that i had more talent or a better engine(wouldnt mind betting that i may have more endurance than him though) but if people can stand up and say that Krak is one of the best small forwards in the league then you have to be kidding yourself.

Look at the list of players i posted.

Sure i look and them and would like to think Krak is better than them, but when you look at the returns that they provide most of them out do Krak.

X-cited, you also mention the amount of inside 50's. Surely Matthew Robbins would have had fairly similar opportunities to Krak, he has kicked 29 goals and had a total of 46 scoring shots. Now i would like to think that Krak would wipe is behind with Robbins but you can have as much talent as you like but you still have to use it.

Krak has never player anymore than a total of 1 good qtr in a game. He needs to be more consistant over the whole game. I also agree he isnt the only one.

see thats where ur wrong, look at the stats , the tigers were way below everyone on inside 50s, even far below th edogs, and krak did spend time on the ball too!
poo its rnd 2 and he is still young and has been a project player. dont worry have faith u wait  n c, he will fire and become a valuable player , i dont understand as tiger supprters why u get so hard on players like him and pett, tiv, chaff, hall, gas, fair enough but be patient fellas, dont be to quick to judge these blokes!
u have to remember the 5 years that pett and krak have been around have been under df! judge them after a yr under tw

[JohnF]

here here Bull and Om.

If Krakouer played in a better team he would be one of the best small forwards in the comp. 

If Richo played in a better team he would kick 150 goals a year and take 400 marks a year. 

If Tivendale played in a better team he would be dominating games and finishing off with his deadly left foot. 



That's the problem with us. Always looking for excuses for players underperforming and looking to exterior conditions that would ameliorate the situation.

Players like Krakouer need to take a good harld look at themselves and start training properly. When he does he will become a very good player and not a second before. Those that are just waiting for him to blossom into a great player are kidding themselves. It takes hard work and dedication. I'm still waiting for krakouer to show some off the field.
 

[Bulluss]

i dont understand as tiger supprters why u get so hard on players like him and pett, tiv, chaff, hall, gas, fair enough but be patient fellas, dont be to quick to judge these blokes!

X-cited,

Are you serious or what?

Krak is still young, but for his opporunities he is an underachiever. Not saying he cant change but i dont believe he will.
Pettifer: Is in his 5th season, i know he hasnt had many chances but its only coz of his attitude, maybe Krak will be the same but will Plough have the patience?
Chaff: Is a Dud, was ok a few seasons ok but is finished at the level. Not all that accountable as a tagger and turns the ball over consistantly
Hall: Another no brainer.
Gas: I have been happy with his form this season compared to last, atleast he stood up and took a pay cut. Still needs to improve.

But my point is, especially in the case of Chaffey, Hall and Gaspar How Patient do we have to be? These guys are mature players and shouldnt be given any slack now in regards to giving them a go.

For crying out loud, give me a break!!!!!

[letsgetiton!]

dont think u understood my previous post, we need to get rid of bloke like chaffey , tive, kell, gas etc, tive and chaff esp!

gas, he isnt teh same, its not that he dosnt have the endeavour, its just his disposal and choices he makes, he always takes teh wrong option, gets too nervous under pressure and his handpass is worse than his kick!

kell unfortiunately, no matter how brave he is the game has passed him, too slow and to slow to react!

pett and krak are the ones who need a bit more time, imo chaff and tiv have run out of time,gas and kell nearly out of time!

and btw hall is f ing crap and should have never been drafted or re signed

[om21]

That is is...Im going to belt someone. I seriously nearly king hit this guy on the weekend who just slaughtered Gas with abuse. lets get some things straight....

#1 He revolutionized the CHB position in his All-Austrlian year
#2 He will never EEEEEEVER played like that again for a change in our game-plan under TW.
#3 He took a pay-cut....
#4 He still cuts out his man from being effective week in and week out.
#5 He takes more CONTESTED marks in 5 minutes than any other defender does in the whole game
#6 He cant kick. We know this....we should clearly work around it bc he is too much of an asset to waste.

His form has been pleasing (apart from terrible skill errors) but he is taking marks, backing back....doing the things that make this guy a great KPP. We all need to take a breathe before we just dive into this guy. I still lose sleep over this guy and Campbell getting murdered by moronic supporters when we are sucking the #### of over-rated and overpaid ###### like Brown and Bowden.

Ok.....my rant is over. Sorry I kinda lost my head towards the end. My head hurts.

[mightytiges]

Today was a prefect summary of where Krakouer's footy is at. Blitzed in the first quarter with his skill and was in everything. That pass to Richo was brilliant. Yet getting stacks of the ball meant he got crunched alot and his body isn't strong enough (yet) to cope with the treatment. After one tackle on Andy by Mitch Hahn he couldn't get up and chase. By quarter time he was out of petrol.

Krakouer's not soft just not physically ready yet to play out 4 quarters of League footy.

[Bulluss]

I would like to take full responsibility to Krak's turn around in form this week!!!!!!

Today he played a very good game and while he did drop off a little towards the end, as MT said he take a fair bit of contact today.

Right from the start his attack on the ball was brilliant and he lead his opponent to the ball pretty much all day unlike last week.

His roving around the F50 was also pretty good. I dont expect Krak to play a blinder every week but i was very pleased with his efforts today.

His kicking inside 50 today also was very good.

Also had his sixth sense around the ground as someone was about to run his down he would just duck.

[JohnF]

Stuffed up a few times too, but overall a more encouraging effort. Needs to get fit and then we're talking.

[DallasCrane]

I was rapt with Krakouer's game. At quarter time I thought 'if he puts 3 more of those in, I am getting on OER to give TheBull a right royal serve for calling me a tool last week' (I'm over it, TB  )

His game tapered off a little but he stood up well when it got frantic towards the end.

I wish Richo had've handballed to Kraky in the 3rd quarter, when he ended up centering it (skying it?) to Tivas. He would've ran into an open goal. It turned out OK anyway.

[letsgetiton!]

while everyone has been knocking krak i have persisted in saying its only rnd 3 and watch out!
ok he didnt blitz but it wwas a way better effort and his fitness isnt as bad as u all think. its taking him a bit londer to adjust bec df wrapped him in cotton wool, but now that he is adjusting watch out 4 round 4! krak bring it on and i take alot of responsibility 4 this as i am the one who phoned him to let him know what has been going on on this site1 its good having links to the korri connection as i am married to one! now u know why i support him so much bec he has taken time out to spend time with my kids! onya krak

[JohnF]

Good on ya X. 

Can you tell him that he will be a very good player if he bulks up a bit and increases his stamina?

[Bulluss]

krak bring it on and i take alot of responsibility 4 this as i am the one who phoned him to let him know what has been going on on this site1 its good having links to the korri connection as i am married to one! now u know why i support him so much bec he has taken time out to spend time with my kids! onya krak 

Like i said, i take full responsibility for his form change. If it wasnt for me the topic wouldnt have been discussed!!!!

[letsgetiton!]

point taken :-)
btw i am a personal trainer and have discussed his size quite often, pound 4 pound he is very strong and his tackling shows this, we all know he is light but he is a strong kid, he was so tiny and is much bigger than when he did come over and watch him in the next 2 years bulk up more and his fitness will improve over the course of the year, remember though he is a diff body type to a wirrapunda or pickett