I can feell a mutiny coming on

[froars]

Never even thought of Frankie in the past - what a great suggestion Jackstar!

[Jackstar]

People like Mike Green , Frank Dimma, The Perry family, Rex Hunt, Greg Strachan etc
There are plenty of ex-Tigers who have been successful in business who have much too offer the Richmond Football Club, unfortunately they are probably not keen to go back in a hurry

[froars]

Can't say i blame them - it would seem lately it's a thankless task.
But hopefully the predicament the club are in will get their hearts beating again for the Tiges!

[mightytiges]

I've forgotten the actual rule but aren't directors responsible for a company's debt? Would put a few off especially as only the inner sanctum would know the exact state of the RFC books. At the moment all we know is it's claimed the loss is around the $2 million mark and Casey hasn't disputed this.

[froars]

Well this, i suspect, why no tickets are being announced - cos no-one's sure of the exact debt.
The only good thing about the petition will be if we can find this out.

[mightytiges]

Well it should be in the Fighting Tiger or at least in some form in that mailout when it arrives in a week or two. We need and deserve to know.

[froars]

I suspect even further this has more to do with why Welsh and Schwab resigned.

[mightytiges]

I suspect even further this has more to do with why Welsh and Schwab resigned.

I think that's partly the reason. At the time they said they resigned to the lack of corporate governance by Casey and a couple of other current members of the board - as in not getting the directors to sign off on the 2003 accounts.

Why Tiger director resigned
By Caroline Wilson
realfooty.theage.com.au
March 25, 2004


Richmond vice-president Brendan Schwab quit the Tigers after accusing president Clinton Casey and his treasurer Garry Cameron of breaching the Corporations Act in a fiery board meeting earlier this month.

Schwab is understood to have outlined in a letter to his former directors his concerns over a revelation that the club would lose $2 million in 2004. The meeting, which provoked the resignations of both Schwab and Peter Welsh, is believed to have recorded that the club was facing a massive 2004 loss despite forecasting a break-even result last October.

As the financial and political crisis that has engulfed the Tigers deepened on the eve of the club's round-one clash against Collingwood, Casey's position appeared under increasing threat as he worked to shore up support.

Schwab's concerns about corporate law, which were shared by Welsh despite earlier reports the resignations were not linked, could provoke AFL scrutiny should the Tigers be forced to request a seven-figure handout from the competitive balance fund.

The Age has learnt that the March board meeting was the first time the directors had met - apart from January's annual meeting - since October when Schwab is understood to have opposed Casey's proposal to underwrite the club.

It is understood that Schwab had been pushing for urgent talks for some months after learning that the club's 2003 accounts had been sent to members without being signed off by directors. His request was refused.

Under federal corporate law, the club's concise financial accounts - which recorded an $800,000 loss last year - require a directors' declaration. While Casey and Cameron signed the accounts as having been declared and adopted by the board, no such declaration had taken place.

The club is understood to have applied since then for a redirection order from the AFL. The potential $2 million loss is expected to be improved following an injection of funds from the club's fund-raising arm - the Jack Dyer Foundation.

Schwab, a lawyer, has outlined his concerns in the potentially explosive letter distributed to all directors earlier this week.

The letter is expected to be tabled at the Tigers' next board meeting early next month. Schwab is understood to have written his resignation before the March meeting but attended to address his concerns with the club's corporate governance.

His questioning of the board's corporate procedure sparked an angry personal attack from treasurer Cameron. Welsh is understood to have made it clear to colleagues that despite taking on the football director's position this year, his resignation was not linked to concerns with Danny Frawley's position as coach, as has Schwab.

Casey yesterday stood by his vow to rid the board of non-performing directors. It is understood he retains strong support of Cameron, and Don Lord, chairman of the Jack Dyer Foundation.

The Richmond meetings are attended not only by directors but also former National Party leader Peter Nixon, who acts a consultant to the board, and corporate lawyer Ian Dixon, the board's legal adviser.

[mightytiges]

Apparently Michael got the 100 signatures required. Welcome to the Richmond merry-go-round folks as former failed board members regain control

[mightytiges]

Tiger boss dismisses challenger
By Martin Blake
realfooty.theage.com.au
June 20, 2004

Richmond president Clinton Casey has taken a swipe at the man who is trying to oust him, Michael Pahoff, who was collecting signatures for his petition outside the Telstra Dome again last night.

Casey told his chairman's dinner at the ground that Pahoff had drawn "more attention than what he deserved", and he regretted last week's meeting with Pahoff.

Casey said when they met, Pahoff had a list of 10 questions but admitted he knew nothing about the current board. "At that point, I probably should have shown him the door."

Casey, who last night confirmed the appointment of new chief executive Steven Wright, said Pahoff's challenge lacked credibility. "I don't know who he's fronting but I hope he's not an example of what we've got to come."

After collecting about 60 signatures at last Sunday's match against Fremantle, Pahoff estimated last night that he had gained enough signatures outside the Carlton match to reach the 100-signature mark he needs to force an extraordinary general meeting.

He said he would know exactly how many signatures he had gathered by this morning. "As they say in football, to win a premiership you only need to get over the line by one point," Pahoff said last night.

Asked if he wished to respond to Casey's comments, he said he hadn't heard them and: "I don't want to know what he said. As far as I'm concerned, he's part of Richmond's history."

At half-time of last night's match, Richmond was trailing Carlton by 46 points, with Blues spearhead Brendan Fevola booting six goals to that point.

In the midst of a dreadful season, the Tigers were buoyed by their final membership figure of 27,169 full members, up 8 per cent on last year.

http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2004/06/19/1087595789145.html

[mightytiges]

From article: Wright the right man: Casey
6:50:18 PM Sat 19 June, 2004
Matt Burgan
Sportal

Meanwhile, Casey spoke about his meeting during the week with Richmond director of football Greg Miller and outspoken Tigers supporter Michael Pahoff, who is agitating for changes to the club's administration.

"(Pahoff) said to us - 'I've got 10 questions I'd like to ask'. I said - 'I've got one question I'd like to ask first'. My question is - 'If we answer all of your questions and prove to you that the action that you're about to take is not in the best interest in the Richmond Football Club, will you stop?' He said - 'No'," Casey said.

"At that point I probably should've shown him the door. I reckon Collo (Carlton president Ian Collins) would've. I'm damn sure (former Carlton president) John Elliott would've.

"His (Pahoff's) first question was - 'Will the entire board resign?'. I asked him whether he knew the entire board. He didn't know the people that he was talking about and he just stared at me with this blank look on his face.

Casey said that Pahoff believed that Alan Miklos, who's been on the Richmond board for only three weeks and who controls almost $1million in sponsorship, should also resign.

"Well, at that point it was clear just what we were dealing with and I don't know who he's running for but let's hope that he's not an example of what we've got to come and I guess we'll see what unfolds over the further couple of weeks."

http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=155833

[WilliamPowell]

Asked if he wished to respond to Casey's comments, he said he hadn't heard them and: "I don't want to know what he said. As far as I'm concerned, he's part of Richmond's history."

And guess what Michael so too are you. However it is not the proud, rich history that's means so much to so many of us (and the one most of us want to reclaim and rebuild) but you become part the recent dark, bleak, fractured lack of unity history that has engulfed our Club.

Great isn't it? 

[WilliamPowell]

"(Pahoff) said to us - 'I've got 10 questions I'd like to ask'. I said - 'I've got one question I'd like to ask first'. My question is - 'If we answer all of your questions and prove to you that the action that you're about to take is not in the best interest in the Richmond Football Club, will you stop?' He said - 'No'," Casey said.

Then why have the meeting? All comments made by this person before and since this meeting point to PAhoff having a vendetta against 1 person being Casey. It further shows to me at least that this bloke has absolutely no idea what he is doing.

"His (Pahoff's) first question was - 'Will the entire board resign?'. I asked him whether he knew the entire board. He didn't know the people that he was talking about and he just stared at me with this blank look on his face.

I will support Casey on this point. To call for the removal of the entire board but then not know who they all are and (I am assuming here) what there qualifications are shows the lack of thought and planning in this pettition.

[mightytiges]

Rebel Tiger reaches mark
By Nabila Ahmed
realfooty.theage.com.au
June 21, 2004

Rebel Richmond member Michael Pahoff declared yesterday he had gathered enough signatures to call an extraordinary general meeting that could spell the end for president Clinton Casey at Punt Road, but remained vague about his future plans for the club.

Pahoff, who before the weekend had to get 40 signatures to reach the 100 needed to force an extraordinary meeting, said he had reached that mark but would not reveal exactly how many he had gathered, nor say who he planned to offer as alternatives to Casey and his board.

"We've got over the 100 signatures. I don't want to disclose how many we got because I think regardless of the total I got, the number might be criticised. But it is a total that is comfortably over (100)," Pahoff said yesterday.

He said he was still waiting on signatures from country and interstate members and once compiled, the list would be taken to the club about July 5, with hopes of pushing for a mid-August extraordinary meeting.

Pahoff then plans to pass a vote of no confidence in Casey and his board and open nominations for a new administration. But he refused to divulge who he would put on the challenging ticket.

"Time will tell but they will be some very good and famous faces," he said.

"I have already spoken to them. Around August/September, everyone will know quite clearly."

But Pahoff said he had asked Casey's treasurer, Gary Cameron, to re-nominate because he was a "true Tiger who has the opportunity to be part of the team".

Casey did not return calls from The Age yesterday.

http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2004/06/20/1087669844974.html?oneclick=true

[mightytiges]

"We've got over the 100 signatures. I don't want to disclose how many we got because I think regardless of the total I got, the number might be criticised. But it is a total that is comfortably over (100)," Pahoff said yesterday.

... he refused to divulge who he would put on the challenging ticket.

Oh course the number would be criticized Michael. It's such a small minority that anyone else would be ashamed to gloat over only collecting just 0.4% of the total RFC membership at two home games. Geez you must be so proud of yourself.

You have abused and exploited an archaic clause in our constitution. You have collected the first 60 signatures under false pretenses by one week claiming you were acting purely as an independent then changed your stance the following week and now work as a puppet for faceless cowards who are as transparent in their dealings as Casey is. The moment you crossed that line you exposed yourself as a fake, with no policies or real alternative strategies to help the Club, who doesn't have a clue what he's doing.  

"Time will tell but they will be some very good and famous faces," he said.

I think you meant to say they will be some infamous former and failed board members Michael 

But Pahoff said he had asked Casey's treasurer, Gary Cameron, to re-nominate because he was a "true Tiger who has the opportunity to be part of the team".

WHAT AN EGO! . Yes only you can judge who is and isn't a "true tiger"  .