Chris Yarran [merged]

[Stalin]

is chaplin a squib at times?

oh yeah,

that would make three

squib party 

Both soft
Both outside
Both look good when things flying
Both go misin when thing get tough

Pretty good comparison I thought

You can do me do stereotypes as there are no other Muslims

At times we hve had no run behind the ball other than bacha. So at least yarren gives y another option.  But then you hae two squibs in back six.  One too many.

I just think at this level you shouldn't have to put up with a defender not being able to defend very well. I think most would agree he is poo at that. He gives us good run against the average sides but when he is up against the good teams he goes missing. And when he doesn't deliver his run and carry and he cannot defend we may as well have a witches hat out there.

I'm not saying Yarran is the answer at HB as I'd play him forward but what I am saying is that Houli isn't the answer. He has taken us this far but unfortunately he can take us no further. The quicker we realize this with players like Houli the quicker we can try and find a replacement.

We wonder why we have lost 3 elimination finals in a row, it's because we have too many guys that only play well against average sides. Houli, Grigg, Conca, and definitely Ellis.

Time to try others in these positions.

yep

after choking three years i would play harder people in defense

deledio vlastuin mintosh c ellis(?)

(yes the midfield under-performs , too)

maybe houli can play higher up the ground if he is to stay in the team forever

[TigerMonk]

People use the term Rate too easy. How many senior games did he play this year

[Francois Jackson]

People use the term Rate too easy. How many senior games did he play this year

who cares how many senior games he played. Different club different coach. How many has mcbean, lennon played? Morris played a heap the year before doesnt mean he was any good.

Plenty of players in our team who shouldnt be gifted senior games.

i believe he will perform for us and hopefully push houli forward or out

[Andyy]

Who's ahead of him regarding those 12 players? After our top 7 or 8, it gets very thin very fast.

We can rate Lennon/C Ellis as prospects all we like but Yarran atm is far superior.

Here's 11 and I didn't even consider Lennon, ellis C or McIntosh

1.   Rance
2.   Lids
3.   Martin
4.   Jack
5.   Cotchin
6.   Maric
7.   Edwards
8.   Miles
9.   Vlastuin
10.   Grimes
11.   Houli

Have to say I kinda agree with this list WP, but it gets frightfully short of talent after our big five fish. Miles and Edwards are honourable mentions for me, the rest are solid at best, and the tail end of our list is plain weak.

Hopefully Yarran and Townsend can come in and make that 'bottom six' more accountable...

[MintOnLamb]

Nice listing, this is exactly our problem, we really need
1 B Ellis
2 T Vickery
3 B Griffiths
4  R Conca
Have to stand up big time, or else they are on the trade table

[WA Tiger]

Who's ahead of him regarding those 12 players? After our top 7 or 8, it gets very thin very fast.

We can rate Lennon/C Ellis as prospects all we like but Yarran atm is far superior.

Here's 11 and I didn't even consider Lennon, ellis C or McIntosh

1.   Rance
2.   Lids
3.   Martin
4.   Jack
5.   Cotchin
6.   Maric
7.   Edwards
8.   Miles
9.   Vlastuin
10.   Grimes
11.   Houli

Have to say I kinda agree with this list WP, but it gets frightfully short of talent after our big five fish. Miles and Edwards are honourable mentions for me, the rest are solid at best, and the tail end of our list is plain weak.

Hopefully Yarran and Townsend can come in and make that 'bottom six' more accountable...

I would probably put Yarran in front of Grimes and Houli, purely based on run and carry, x factor and the ability to turn a game, which I don't believe Houli an Grimes are capable of.

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Stupid thread.

Nobody will know until he represented himself in the colors.

Speculate til your balls shrink

[Andyy]

I would probably put Yarran in front of Grimes and Houli, purely based on run and carry, x factor and the ability to turn a game, which I don't believe Houli an Grimes are capable of.

Agreed. I put him in the 6-10 range, which he could comfortably fit into if he performs.

Stupid thread.

Nobody will know until he represented himself in the colors.

Speculate til your balls shrink

We're allowed to make discussion, it's a long off-season...

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Yes, you are.


I'm permitted to touch on reality in my comments?

[Hard Roar Tiger]

I'd like to add that as my balls have now shrunk to the size of split peas, I am no longer able to speculate about the said Yarrans place for on our list.

[Petey]

[Dougeytherichmondfan]

Who's ahead of him regarding those 12 players? After our top 7 or 8, it gets very thin very fast.

We can rate Lennon/C Ellis as prospects all we like but Yarran atm is far superior.

Here's 11 and I didn't even consider Lennon, ellis C or McIntosh

1.   Rance
2.   Lids
3.   Martin
4.   Jack
5.   Cotchin
6.   Maric
7.   Edwards
8.   Miles
9.   Vlastuin
10.   Grimes
11.   Houli

Have to say I kinda agree with this list WP, but it gets frightfully short of talent after our big five fish. Miles and Edwards are honourable mentions for me, the rest are solid at best, and the tail end of our list is plain weak.

Hopefully Yarran and Townsend can come in and make that 'bottom six' more accountable...

I would probably put Yarran in front of Grimes and Houli, purely based on run and carry, x factor and the ability to turn a game, which I don't believe Houli an Grimes are capable of.

Agreed WAT, I'm not sure if I'd pen him in anywhere just yet, but frankly if I had to choose between who I'd rather have, Houli or Yarran, I'd take Yarran, which by WP's measuring stick puts him at the top 10 mark.

[WilliamPowell]

Who's ahead of him regarding those 12 players? After our top 7 or 8, it gets very thin very fast.

We can rate Lennon/C Ellis as prospects all we like but Yarran atm is far superior.

Here's 11 and I didn't even consider Lennon, ellis C or McIntosh

1.   Rance
2.   Lids
3.   Martin
4.   Jack
5.   Cotchin
6.   Maric
7.   Edwards
8.   Miles
9.   Vlastuin
10.   Grimes
11.   Houli

Houli  not even close

Based solely on output and those currently around him, Houli is in our best dozen players.

Is that good thing or bad thing? Is that a poor reflection on our depth?

That's a separate discussion altogether a valid one no doubt but a different / separate one to this

Question was where do you rate Yarran in our top 25?

Based solely on output for their respective sides in 2015, Houli was miles ahead of Yarran

If Yarran (who I am happy to have BTW) extracts the digit and plays to his absolute best then he'd goes past Houli very quickly (obviously) but until he does I'd have Houli in front of him

[Stalin]

Who's ahead of him regarding those 12 players? After our top 7 or 8, it gets very thin very fast.

We can rate Lennon/C Ellis as prospects all we like but Yarran atm is far superior.

Here's 11 and I didn't even consider Lennon, ellis C or McIntosh

1.   Rance
2.   Lids
3.   Martin
4.   Jack
5.   Cotchin
6.   Maric
7.   Edwards
8.   Miles
9.   Vlastuin
10.   Grimes
11.   Houli

Houli  not even close

Based solely on output and those currently around him, Houli is in our best dozen players.

Is that good thing or bad thing? Is that a poor reflection on our depth?

That's a separate discussion altogether a valid one no doubt but a different / separate one to this

Question was where do you rate Yarran in our top 25?

Based solely on output for their respective sides in 2015, Houli was miles ahead of Yarran

If Yarran (who I am happy to have BTW) extracts the digit and plays to his absolute best then he'd goes past Houli very quickly (obviously) but until he does I'd have Houli in front of him

optimistic:

* shows we have a young list
 * the 'big 5' are all still got best footy ahead of them - id argue deledio would be a much better player in a good team which richmond have not really been in his time in the game; he would have another level or two, especially if left in the forward line 100% of time on ground..., shytes on gunston, for example
   * next level is young kids too; Vlastuin, Miles, grimes
 * titch goes alright , ditto houli, yarren

the next level you missed out 12-22, 'c grade' perhaps is also promising; Lennon, c Ellis, Mcbean  ...

...depending on the make up of the 'best 22'


pessimistic:

 * penny, brendon, dimma and co. are a bit stupid
 * there are still loads of list blockers, and the powers that be are overly found of them
 - source; check finals games, best and fairest voting
 * over-reliance on Maric. Rance. Jack(?) Miles(?)
 * too young best side / not enough leadership, mature players mostly spuds / over-reliance on 'big 5 /


tentative conclusion - if yarren ends up 6th best player on the list, thats pretty good ...

[big tone]

Who's ahead of him regarding those 12 players? After our top 7 or 8, it gets very thin very fast.

We can rate Lennon/C Ellis as prospects all we like but Yarran atm is far superior.

Here's 11 and I didn't even consider Lennon, ellis C or McIntosh

1.   Rance
2.   Lids
3.   Martin
4.   Jack
5.   Cotchin
6.   Maric
7.   Edwards
8.   Miles
9.   Vlastuin
10.   Grimes
11.   Houli

Houli  not even close

Based solely on output and those currently around him, Houli is in our best dozen players.

Is that good thing or bad thing? Is that a poor reflection on our depth?

That's a separate discussion altogether a valid one no doubt but a different / separate one to this

Question was where do you rate Yarran in our top 25?

Based solely on output for their respective sides in 2015, Houli was miles ahead of Yarran

If Yarran (who I am happy to have BTW) extracts the digit and plays to his absolute best then he'd goes past Houli very quickly (obviously) but until he does I'd have Houli in front of him

As a defender Houli is the worst we have by a mile.
The way I look at it-
Houli might cost us 2 direct goals a game on average with his lack of defensive skill. (When you take direct goals saved by direct goals cost) it doesn't sound like much but when you compare it to-
A top sides HB might who on average save two goals a game on average when you use the same formular.
So that's a 4 goal diferential. (Not sure if I have explained that properly but I'm hoping you get the gist)

When you consider our loses this year against the good sides that 4 goals is pretty damning.
Now I know he is there for his offensive run but his defending is not AFL standard and if we are serious about taking the next step, having a guy in our backline as bad as he is at defending, isn't going to cut it.
I just don't think he is tough enough and desparate enough to play in a backline of a top 4 side.

So my point WP is in order of who could make the biggest difference going forward, Yarran is in front of Houli and so are many others.
You comparing the two players only on 2015 output is ridiculas, if that was the case, would you put Houli in front of G Ablett if we had of traded for him during trade period?