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Re: Richmond vs Geelong @ the 'Gabba --- 2020 Grand Final
« Reply #75 on: October 23, 2020, 12:52:32 PM »
Caddy would be a massive surprise should he be selected- he just hasn't had the body of work this year. He could not be selected due to the uncertainty surrounding his body. These risks are too large when playing in the big dance. No change...

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Picket wasn’t a risk last year? Caddy has the runs on the board especially in All finals he has played.
Knows what’s required and can give as much as he gets. Kicks goals too.

Pickett with his one handed body chops aren’t going to cut the mustard in a GF.
In the wet last week there wasn’t a player that was as more fumbly as Pickett and his disposal efficiency was a meagre 46%.

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Re: Richmond vs Geelong @ the 'Gabba --- 2020 Grand Final
« Reply #76 on: October 23, 2020, 01:09:27 PM »
Sticking tackles is the key and it's been a problem for us all year.... :shh
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Re: Richmond vs Geelong @ the 'Gabba --- 2020 Grand Final
« Reply #77 on: October 23, 2020, 02:09:27 PM »
How about we back the coaches and players who got us this far.Caddy body this year is not reliable.Take out Pickett you loose speed,People over reacting to Pickett last week wasn't that bad his second half was everywhere him and Mecca a there to nullify cats wingers and also push up forward. Caddy aren't playing wing.Up forward push Martin up there with Shai,Rioli etc even like last week Balta.Plenty avenue to goal.

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Key match-ups for the 2020 AFL grand final (Age)
« Reply #78 on: October 23, 2020, 03:08:12 PM »
Key match-ups for the 2020 AFL grand final

By Jon Pierik
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October 23, 2020


NOAH BALTA (Richmond) v TOM HAWKINS (Geelong)

This has an emerging star defender against the Coleman medallist. Balta spent 87 minutes on Hawkins when the teams met in round 17 and held him to one goal. Balta has the strength and size to tame Hawkins. Should he be successful, it will allow fellow defender David Astbury to be used as the back-up ruckman.

TOM LYNCH (Richmond) v HARRY TAYLOR (Geelong)

Lynch booted 1.2 and had five scoring involvements before injuring his hamstring when the teams last met. He will look to use his athleticism to exploit Taylor, although the veteran Cat has been in superb touch. Mark Blicavs will roll back and help Taylor.

DUSTIN MARTIN (Richmond) v JAKE KOLODJASHNIJ (Geelong)

The importance of the dual Norm Smith medallist has been so pronounced through the finals that he has been involved in 40 per cent of the Tigers' scoring. Kolodjashnij, Tom Stewart and even Jed Bews shape as his likely opponents when he pushes inside 50. When on the ball, a Cam Guthrie, Brandan Parfitt or Jack Henry need to get involved defensively.

NICK VLASTUIN (Richmond) v PATRICK DANGERFIELD (Geelong)

Dangerfield's move up forward has largely been a success, although he did not hit the scoreboard last week despite spending 91 per cent of the game inside attacking 50. Vlastuin, key stopper Dylan Grimes and Nathan Broad are all options to take him. If he goes into the midfield there could be a mouth-watering, one-on-one battle with Martin.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/key-match-ups-for-the-2020-afl-grand-final-20201023-p567v3.html

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Have the Cats learnt enough to turn tables on Tigers? (Age)
« Reply #79 on: October 23, 2020, 03:09:21 PM »
Have the Cats learnt enough to turn tables on Tigers?

By Michael Gleeson
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October 23, 2020


In round four, Geelong played Melbourne. The game was close, decided by a kick, but it was the sort of modern, ugly contest that prompts scalding for being a blight on the game.

It was also the first game Geelong changed their style to ratchet up owning the ball. Already a kick and hold team, after this game they lifted the keepings-off style up a notch.

It was pretty effective ... until they played Richmond.

ROUND 17: GEELONG v RICHMOND

Geelong owns the ball. They win contested and uncontested possession, marks, contested marks. They destroy Richmond in clearances – 32-16 and 10-2 in centre clearances. They monster them in owning the ball.

Geelong kick four goals. They lose the game comfortably.

The teams were different - we'll get to that – but the Cats learned two things. The first is you cannot play slowly. Richmond don't fret about losing clearances or possession, their patience is waiting to inevitably give the ball back then quickly send it to the other end of the ground to score. You go slow, they punish you fast.
The second point they learned is you need more than one credible and viable tall forward target.

The speed you bring the ball in and the number of forward targets are linked.

Richmond love slow movement. Their team defence rolls across the back 50 arc filling holes like wet sand filling footprints in the shallows.

If you have just a Tom Hawkins as the primary forward target they know where the ball is going to go so they close up around him. Richmond players know how, when and where to cover for one another and fold back into the right places and spaces.

So when Noah Balta is on Tom Hawkins, if the Cats bring it in slowly to Hawkins then Dylan Grimes and Nick Vlastuin have time to cut across and mark.

So first, the quicker you bring the ball forward the more chance Hawkins has. Second, you have to give the Richmond defenders more players to worry about than Hawkins.

The Collingwood semi-final was when the Cats really pulled the trigger on this newer game.

They moved the ball fast. They still heavily possessed it but they got the ball in quickly.

And as importantly, they started Patrick Dangerfield forward and kept him there.

A CHANGED TEAM

In round 17, Geelong's forward line had Ben Jarvis on debut, Brad Close in his eighth game and Lachie Fogarty in his sixth.

On Saturday the forward line will have Dangerfield, Gary Ablett and Gary Rohan.

Ablett might be in his last game but who is really brave enough to ignore him and zone off him? Rohan has a modest finals record but try to think of him as medium-sized, fast pressure player and an advance on the kids who were there last time.

And then there's Dangerfield forward.

"Ablett will get [Bachar] Houli or [Jayden] Short I'd say, like Brisbane did with Daniel Rich, and just make it a shootout between them," said former Geelong and Essendon assistant coach Rob Harding.

"[Nathan] Broad potentially goes to Rohan. It's harder for Richmond to drop off the forwards this time when it's Ablett. Grimes, you'd think, has to go to Dangerfield."

This is why Dangerfield forward is so crucial. The question of Dangerfield has been whether you can afford to take him out of the midfield. Against Richmond, the question is can you afford not to play him forward?

Richmond, too, will be significantly different and better for changes on field - Dion Prestia, Shane Edwards and David Astbury weren't there last time.

Geelong actually play a similar defensive style to Richmond with Harry Taylor and Lachie Henderson trying to block the run and jump of the forwards, waiting for Mark Blicavs or Tom Stewart to arrive to mark or spoil as third man in.

Blicavs starts on a wing but pushes back to play as basically a seventh defender. He is very clever at getting into the leading lanes of forwards such as Tom Lynch, so even if he is not always in marking contests he cuts off leading options.

He is also important in not losing contact with Dustin Martin when the Tiger star rolls from the middle to the forward line.

Richmond use the width of the ground and their wingers Marlion Pickett and Kamdyn McIntosh are incredibly important links in that. Their running ability end to end and use of them as release players from defence is crucial to Richmond.

McIntosh and Pickett are important in pulling the Geelong wings, especially Blicavs, who is their most important structural player, away from their roles.

"The greasier conditions, maybe rain, will suit Richmond's style of play and ball movement," Harding said.

Tactically, we know what Richmond will do - they have been doing it and doing it better than anyone for four years - the question is whether the Cats' tweaks are enough to break that style.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/have-the-cats-learnt-enough-to-turn-tables-on-tigers-20201023-p567ws.html

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Which Grand Final team has the stronger 'bottom 5'? (SEN)
« Reply #80 on: October 23, 2020, 03:10:43 PM »
WHICH GRAND FINAL TEAM HAS THE STRONGER 'TAIL ORDER'?

BY SEN
23 October 2020


Often big finals are determined by the performances of both teams’ bottom five players as much as the top five.

Tim Watson and Garry Lyon both believe players 16 to 22 for both Richmond and Geelong will be crucial to the result on Saturday night.

They’ve gone through who those players are, which team has the stronger ‘tail’ and what it will mean for the game.

Watson: I went through the list of players on both teams and this is no reflection on the players. Any player playing in this Grand Final is a really good player. We all know, you’ve got your top five players and your bottom five players and maybe they will determine the outcome of this game.

Lyon: So just know that the bottom five players of either of these teams are going to be premiership players, to just put that into some perspective. This is not a demeaning exercise.

Watson: Both teams have got really good bottom five players which is why they’re playing off in the Grand Final. For Richmond for me, their bottom five players, in no particular order, Marlion Pickett, Jason Castagna, Nathan Broad, Kamdyn McIntosh and Daniel Rioli. And for Geelong Sam Simpson, Lachie Henderson, Jack Henry, Jake Kolodjashnij and Gary Rohan.

Lyon: I went Pickett, Broad, Castagna, McIntosh and Astbury instead of Rioli. The other ones I had, Simpson, Kolodjashnij, Henry, Dahlhaus and Miers.

Watson: They’re very talented bottom five players.

Lyon: They are, that’s what separates them from the other 16 teams.

Watson: I think on talent, Richmond has a more talented bottom five than Geelong.

Lyon: It’s interesting isn’t it. Talent wise yes, reliability I go probably the other way a little bit.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/10/22/which-grand-final-team-has-the-stronger-tail-order/

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Re: Richmond vs Geelong @ the 'Gabba --- 2020 Grand Final
« Reply #81 on: October 23, 2020, 03:21:13 PM »
A thing to note is the breaks are longer in the GF.

Quarter time and Three-quarter time breaks are 8 minutes long.

Half-time break is 27 minutes.


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Re: Richmond vs Geelong @ the 'Gabba --- 2020 Grand Final
« Reply #83 on: October 23, 2020, 04:02:29 PM »
Damien Hardwick described the grand final as “a celebration of both clubs” after spending more than 100 days living interstate.

Richmond are chasing back to back premierships for just the third time in their history, and victory will also see them winning three of the last four flags. Hardwick said his players had to remain focused on beating Geelong instead of worrying about trying to create history.

“You can sit there and dream as much as you like but the fact of the matter is you’ve got to do a hell of a lot of work to get there. We’ve given ourselves an opportunity,” Hardwick said.

Richmond beat Geelong earlier in the season and Chris Scott said his team clearly had to play differently to win the premiership.

He said the Tigers had been the AFL’s best team for several years and everyone knew they had to search for the secrets to beating them.

“In the back of our mind it has been really clear that Richmond have been the best team and if you’re going to win the premiership, you’re more than likely going to have to beat them,” Scott said.

“We were aware that our system was going to have to stand up against them. They’ve been the benchmark.”

https://thewest.com.au/sport/richmond-tigers/afl-grand-final-2020-how-chris-scott-and-damien-hardwick-handled-the-hub-to-earn-grand-final-chance-ng-b881701965z

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Re: Richmond vs Geelong @ the 'Gabba --- 2020 Grand Final
« Reply #84 on: October 23, 2020, 04:12:58 PM »
Who let go of the cup first? :shh
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Re: Richmond vs Geelong @ the 'Gabba --- 2020 Grand Final
« Reply #85 on: October 23, 2020, 04:34:26 PM »
Brad Johnson just tipped Geelong - home & hosed... :clapping :gotigers :shh
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Re: Richmond vs Geelong @ the 'Gabba --- 2020 Grand Final
« Reply #86 on: October 23, 2020, 04:40:40 PM »
Brad Johnson just tipped Geelong - home & hosed... :clapping :gotigers :shh


Has he tipped us at all this year?...actually I don't give a stuff!

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Re: Richmond vs Geelong @ the 'Gabba --- 2020 Grand Final
« Reply #87 on: October 23, 2020, 05:53:38 PM »
I want everyone to pick the Cats, it will build even further momentum for a back against the walls victory - not for us but for a media narrative
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Re: Richmond vs Geelong @ the 'Gabba --- 2020 Grand Final
« Reply #89 on: October 23, 2020, 06:20:07 PM »
Caddy would be a massive surprise should he be selected- he just hasn't had the body of work this year. He could not be selected due to the uncertainty surrounding his body. These risks are too large when playing in the big dance. No change...

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Picket wasn’t a risk last year? Caddy has the runs on the board especially in All finals he has played.
Knows what’s required and can give as much as he gets. Kicks goals too.

Pickett with his one handed body chops aren’t going to cut the mustard in a GF.
In the wet last week there wasn’t a player that was as more fumbly as Pickett and his disposal efficiency was a meagre 46%.

Let's hope if Pickett does go the bump, he actually connects and does some damage  :shh
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