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Offline RollsRoyce

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Re: State of Umpiring [merged]
« Reply #150 on: August 17, 2010, 12:40:28 PM »
The only thing needing a bigger clean up that the RFC is the umpiring assoc starting with the big turd at the top

half time in the adelaide game i stood there at the players race at half time and Geesh was standing there and asked him what the hell was going on with the umpring.

If anyone can remember that first half it was pathetic, an absolute joke and he turned around and said to me "well maybe if you start winning games you wont need to complain" This is the man in control of the rules of our game. Give me a spell

he himself brings the game into disrepute with his side kicks demetriou and Anderson.

The 3 biggest c.... to ever be employed by the AFL

And there it is! Confirmation from that idiot Geischen's mouth of what I've suspected all along. That the losing teams get treated differently to the rest. And guess what, I'm betting the exact same thing applies to the match review panel and the fixtures.
So how exactly are you meant to bust your way out of this status quo, when everything is stacked against you?

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Hardwick not just a study in umpire whingeing (WA today)
« Reply #151 on: August 09, 2011, 07:51:57 PM »
Hardwick not just a study in whingeing
Simon White
August 9, 2011


Richmond coach Damien Hardwick might be accused of whingeing for suggesting a pro-West Coast crowd influenced umpires on Sunday – but all he did was sub-consciously reference established research from all over the world.

Hardwick's reaction to a 30-14 free-kick count in the Eagles' favour during West Coast's 57-point win was to say the 38,000-strong crowd made "a big noise at certain stages of the game" and wielded a significant influence over "the people out there."

In doing so he trumpeted a 2000 University of Wolverhampton study which found that soccer crowd noise resulted in referees identifying 15 per cent less fouls against home teams.

Harvard University studies have also shown away soccer teams concede more penalties than home teams, data researchers say it alludes to the susceptibility of referees to crowd influence.

Professor David Rowe, a sociologist from the University of Western Sydney's centre for cultural research, told WAtoday.com.au it was common sense that umpires would be swayed by large and loud parochial home crowds.

More to the point, Professor Rowe said a home crowd – whether it consciously realises so or not – makes a concerted attempt to "talk" the umpire into a favourable decision.

"Why do fans make so much noise? When you think about it, consciously or unconsciously they are trying to get umpires to make a particular decision," Professor Rowe said.

"How many times do you hear a crowd scream in unison "holding the ball?" Or "handball" or "penalty" or "foul?"

"And the key thing is that they yell it out before the whistle has blown, which suggests they are trying to influence the umpire or referee."

Whether the lop-sided free-kick count on Sunday was anything out of the ordinary remains open to debate.

The Eagles were the better of the two teams and had more of the football – and it's normally easier to give away a free kick when you don't have possession than when the ball is in your hands.

West Coast is also a "good free kick" team, whether home or away.

Since losing the free kick count 18-30 to North Melbourne in round one, the Eagles are 179 free kicks for and 142 against in home games at Patersons Stadium (a differential of more than 20 per cent)

But the Eagles are also 194-for and 170-against in away games (a difference of more than 12 per cent) and even won the free-kicks 19-18 in their biggest loss of the season to Collingwood in late May at the MCG.

Professor Rowe, however, believes sheer empirical data is less telling than the potential relationship between crowd influence and situational statistics.

One of Hardwick's obvious frustrations on Sunday was that he believed West Coast had nine shots at goal as a direct result of free kicks.

"When you are talking about crowd influence and umpiring decisions, I suspect it's not so much the number of decisions as the really key ones," Professor Rowe said.

"In the AFL for instance, it might not be so important if a free kick is paid in the middle of the ground. But a decision at either end of the ground, where it might alter the result of the match can be very important.

"Another factor may be the experience of the umpires. It takes a great deal of concentration to make the correct decision with all that crowd noise.

"Sometimes you can't hear yourself think and it will probably be a more difficult task for a less experienced umpire."

Given Professor Rowe's observation on experience, it may be pertinent that the umpires on Sunday were Luke Farmer, Shane Stewart and Jeff Dalgleish.

Farmer started this season with 56 games under his belt, while Stewart had 40 and Dalgleish had only 17.

The ability for a crowd to influence officials is one element of "home ground advantage" that Professor Rowe subscribes to.

But he also expects the phenomenon can work the other way and that some more experienced umpires might consciously try to buck the trend.

"I suspect there are some umpires and referees who might revel in the controversy," Professor Rowe said.

"As much as a partisan crowd might yell at them to make one decision, they might quite enjoy making another.

"It's unlikely to be an inexperienced umpire who would do that as they would not wish to attract controversy and potentially risk their position."

Subconsciously or not, Professor Rowe's description would seem to fit larger-than-life whistle-blower Ray "Razor" Chamberlain, who was last month reminded by umpires boss Jeff Gieschen of the need to keep his theatrical side in check.

http://www.watoday.com.au/afl/afl-news/hardwick-not-just-a-study-in-whingeing-20110808-1iiz8.html#ixzz1UWWHKvuH

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Re: Hardwick not just a study in umpire whingeing (WA today)
« Reply #152 on: August 09, 2011, 09:51:12 PM »
Sums up a Collingwood crowd   ::)
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While other non-Victorian teams get a taste of their own medicine on the road, West Coast is again a big winner with a discrepancy of just minus seven free kicks in 12 years.

Richmond (+10) is the only team to have a free-kick edge when playing on the road against interstate teams in that period. North Melbourne (-16) and the Western Bulldogs (-25) are next best.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/eagles-win-with-umpires-in-the-west/story-e6frf9jf-1226349321851


Well there you go!  :o

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I thought as much and commented to a mate that we had the 'rub of the green' at times on Sunday.......

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Yeah, maybe! Until the third quarter when that little bald-headed maggot kept saying "free and fifty, free and fifty", and bringing the Port players right up in front of goal. And that holding free against Grimes that kick-started all the angst in the first place was a load of shull-bit too.

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Getting the vast majority of your frees in the backline, does not compensate for the opposition being awarded their free kicks within the forward 50........

The stats also fail to register the free kicks that are not paid, and the inconsistencies in interpretation from one end of the ground to the other, game to game & quarter to quarter.

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Awww yeah they loved us at Subi vs Weagles last year. 30-14.  :banghead :banghead

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how many of tonights umpires used to play for e$$endon?
« Reply #158 on: May 19, 2012, 09:53:30 PM »
Just for my peace of mind?

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Re: how many of tonights umpires used to play for e$$endon?
« Reply #159 on: May 19, 2012, 10:17:46 PM »
Disgraceful all night. Worse umpiring I have seen in recent times  :banghead

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Re: how many of tonights umpires used to play for e$$endon?
« Reply #160 on: May 19, 2012, 10:30:46 PM »
mate there was some awful decisions at crucial points. Didn't lose us the game though...
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Re: how many of tonights umpires used to play for e$$endon?
« Reply #161 on: May 19, 2012, 10:36:14 PM »
mate there was some awful decisions at crucial points. Didn't lose us the game though...

...and

i have a problem with tonights umpiring. i am saying no more coz i dont wanna get sued.

I have a big problem with it. I accept that our poot first half and poor kicking At goal were the primary factors why we lost, however, we were MURDERED on decisions that were and weren't paid for holding the ball and high contact.

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Re: how many of tonights umpires used to play for e$$endon?
« Reply #162 on: May 19, 2012, 10:39:42 PM »
While channel surfing at half time i watched some of the Dogs v GC, like watching a game with different rules, ducking of heads was play on whereas the bummers seemed to milk endless free kicks doing the same thing. The free against the mullet was disgraceful, should have been a free kick the other way for dragging the ball back in.

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Re: how many of tonights umpires used to play for e$$endon?
« Reply #163 on: May 19, 2012, 10:41:42 PM »
stuff those red and black idiots ducking their heads all through the first half.
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Re: how many of tonights umpires used to play for e$$endon?
« Reply #164 on: May 19, 2012, 11:00:38 PM »
I'm really confused about frees for dragging the ball in. Maric touched that ball for a second and for the remainder of the time stanton had it tucked under his arm. Then a 50 for saying he was holding it in or something to that effect... really??? What about the Bombers backchat clearly heard on the TV mics about 5 minutes after and no 50?

Seems like week in and week out the other teams top liners dive on the ball and its a bounce every time. Any of our players dive on it and they can't blow the whistle for a free quick enough.