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Re: Tim Taranto to Richmond thread [merged]
« Reply #60 on: September 29, 2022, 01:55:50 PM »
TIM TARANTO

Pros

Richmond must be counting their lucky stars that such a quality player nominated them for a trade. Despite missing six games due to injury this year, Taranto was still one of Greater Western Sydney’s best players in what was a pretty glum season for them. With Dustin Martin and Trent Cotchin in the twilights of their careers, and Jack Graham potentially off to Port Adelaide, Taranto will provide a timely injection of class and skill to the Richmond midfield. He’s also a proven goalkicker when given the rare chance up forward, and ironically kicked his biggest bag of four against the Tigers late last year.

Cons

The Tigers are reportedly offering Taranto a much bigger and longer deal than what some of their other more established stars are on, which has the potential to cause some angst among the playing ranks, especially if the star Giant doesn’t fire fairly early into his Punt Road career. Richmond are also apparently prepared to part ways with two first-round picks to bring in Taranto, which is a risky move, but they see themselves as still inside the premiership window, so in order to stay there, clubs generally have to pay “overs” and prioritise the short-term future over the long-term.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-pros-and-cons-of-stars-linked-to-moves-targets-state-of-play-latest-players-out-of-contract-rumours-whispers/news-story/d21baece52c9c788f1ca3282939be974

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GWS, Tigers agree on Taranto deal ahead of trade period start (The Age)
« Reply #61 on: October 02, 2022, 05:08:56 PM »
GWS, Tigers agree on Taranto deal ahead of trade period start

By Michael Gleeson
October 2, 2022 — 4.50pm

A deal to send Giants midfielder Tim Taranto to Richmond has been agreed in principle and is poised to be one of the first trades done when the trade period opens on Monday.

A source with knowledge of the discussions said the Giants and Richmond met in Sydney on Friday and agreed a deal after the out-of-contract Taranto had requested a trade to the Tigers.

Central to the deal will be Richmond parting with picks 12 and 19 in the exchange, which could include the movement of other later picks.

Richmond and the Giants agreed to separate the two deals for Taranto and Jacob Hopper, who has also requested a trade to Richmond. As Taranto is out of contract and Hopper contracted, it was considered easier and cleaner to separate the deals.

The likely sum of the deals to move both players to the Tigers will be that Richmond give up 12, 19 and 30 in this year’s draft and their first-round pick next year, which is popularly considered to be a stronger draft than this year. There will probably be some movement of other, later picks involved in the final deals and potentially a Richmond player moving to the Giants.

GWS have long been interested in another ruckman and have inquired about Ivan Soldo, among other players.

In other likely early movement, Giants small forward Bobby Hill will move to Collingwood in a trade of their future second-round pick, with another pick coming back to Collingwood this year.

The Magpies appear likely to secure Brayden Fiorini from Gold Coast for basically nothing in draft terms as the Suns try to get Fiorini’s $600,000 contract for next year off their books. Collingwood will spread that contract out across a multi-year deal for the wingman, who was pick 20 in the 2015 draft.

The Lions will offer the Bulldogs their future first-round pick to try to secure Josh Dunkley. Gold Coast will discuss a trade with St Kilda for Ben Long as well as tying to secure a deal with Brisbane for forward Tom Berry to move to the Suns for a third- or fourth-round pick.

Hawthorn, Geelong, Essendon and North Melbourne are all trying to lure Gold Coast’s Jack Bowes and get in on the salary dump from the Suns, who are prepared to offer pick seven in the draft with Bowes as an incentive for a club to take over the player’s full contract, according to a source with knowledge of the situation. Bowes’ heavily back-ended contract has him tied to the Suns for two more years on about $800,000 a year.

The former academy product, who was taken at pick 10 in the 2016 draft, would also have his money spread across multiple years elsewhere. Clubs would effectively be able to buy pick seven by agreeing to take on the full contract, as well as getting a talented player who has struggled for opportunities in the Suns midfield.

Toby Bedford has told Melbourne he wants to be traded to GWS for more playing opportunities.

The Demons have already begun negotiations with Fremantle over Luke Jackson but are waiting to see what picks Fremantle secures from the players poised to leave the Dockers in other deals before finalising any trade. Blake Acres, Griffin Logue and Rory Lobb have all asked for trades away from Fremantle. Acres wants to move to Carlton, Logue to North and Lobb to the Bulldogs.

Gold Coast and Adelaide will meet over a deal for Izaak Rankine, which is likely to centre on Adelaide’s first-round pick – currently five – and some other later picks.

Melbourne and Collingwood will wait until the Jackson deal is done before negotiating a trade for Brodie Grundy to the Demons.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/gws-tigers-agree-on-taranto-deal-ahead-of-trade-period-start-20221002-p5bmk2.html
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Re: Tim Taranto to Richmond thread [merged]
« Reply #62 on: October 02, 2022, 05:19:46 PM »
Giving up 12 and 19 would seem to make the hopper deal hard if they really are keeping them seperate. I really doubt they’d be discussing them separately, need to know what they expect for each player so both can get done with what we have.

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Re: Tim Taranto to Richmond thread [merged]
« Reply #63 on: October 03, 2022, 03:20:04 AM »
Effectively, Taranto in for pick 12 and Coleman-Jones. Not a bad deal when you put it that way.

However, in terms of draft points, 12 + 19 is equivalent to around pick 3. Which is a bit high. Would've thought pick 6 or 7 is closer to the mark as it's similar to what we paid for Prestia. So, as that Age article says, we probably get something back our way.

Pick 12 (1268 pts) + Pick 19 (948 pts) = 2216 pts .... ~= pick 3 (2234 pts).

GWS have picks 21 (912 pts), 40 (429 pts), 58 (170 pts), 60 (146 pts) plus of course future picks.

If GWS give us pick 40 then it's:

2216 - 429 = 1787 pts which is just above pick 6 (1751 pts).

If GWS give us picks 40 + 60 then it's:

2216 - 429 - 146 = 1641 pts when is equivalent to pick 7 (1644 pts).


That would leave our Future 1st + pick 30 or Future 1st + Soldo for Hopper. Equivalent to giving up a pick in the range 5-7.
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Re: Tim Taranto to Richmond thread [merged]
« Reply #64 on: October 03, 2022, 04:18:40 AM »
MT I really don’t think using the draft pick point scoring system is a good way to judge a player for picks type deal. I know the points add up to pick 3 but otherwise 12+19 is not comparable to 3 in terms of the likelihood of drafting a quality player.

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Re: Tim Taranto to Richmond thread [merged]
« Reply #65 on: October 03, 2022, 12:23:27 PM »
The more I think about it, the more I like that deal for Taranto. So many first round picks don’t work out. He’s a proven gun mid. Picks 12 and 19 will also be pushed back a bit once bids come in.

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Re: Tim Taranto to Richmond thread [merged]
« Reply #66 on: October 03, 2022, 12:46:41 PM »
Agreed and plenty of our recent picks have been underwhelming such as Dow.

To think we could have drafted Chad Warner instead lol

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Re: Tim Taranto to Richmond thread [merged]
« Reply #67 on: October 03, 2022, 01:32:34 PM »
Blair Hartley is sick today but SEN saying the Taranto deal could still be done today.

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Re: Tim Taranto to Richmond thread [merged]
« Reply #68 on: October 03, 2022, 01:43:45 PM »
Sam Edmund and Brenton Sanderson on Trade Radio.


Is a package of picks 12 and 19 for Tim Taranto fair?

Watch here: https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1576764352782561281


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Re: Tim Taranto to Richmond thread [merged]
« Reply #69 on: October 03, 2022, 02:14:45 PM »
For me pick 12 alone is enough not 12 and 19 and the same goes for Dunkley to.

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Re: Tim Taranto to Richmond thread [merged]
« Reply #70 on: October 03, 2022, 02:25:33 PM »
Agree especially as he is out of contract?

 I suspect something is coming back our way, hopefully a 2nd next year.



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Re: Tim Taranto to Richmond thread [merged]
« Reply #71 on: October 03, 2022, 02:41:25 PM »
Agree especially as he is out of contract?

 I suspect something is coming back our way, hopefully a 2nd next year.

In that case I'm happy.

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Re: Tim Taranto to Richmond thread [merged]
« Reply #72 on: October 03, 2022, 03:02:14 PM »
Tim Taranto trade is going through as we speak.

Sam Edmund confirmed as such just then on Trade Radio.

Pick 12 and Pick 19 expected to be involved, possible 3rd round pick coming back the other way.

Hopper deal will be done later this week.

What a time to be alive!

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https://twitter.com/RFC_Centre/status/1576783777803554816

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Re: Tim Taranto to Richmond thread [merged]
« Reply #73 on: October 03, 2022, 03:06:42 PM »
Tim Taranto trade is going through as we speak.

Sam Edmund confirmed as such just then on Trade Radio.

Pick 12 and Pick 19 expected to be involved, possible 3rd round pick coming back the other way.

Hopper deal will be done later this week.

What a time to be alive!

#AFLTrade

https://twitter.com/RFC_Centre/status/1576783777803554816

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Re: Tim Taranto to Richmond thread [merged]
« Reply #74 on: October 03, 2022, 03:08:48 PM »
MT I really don’t think using the draft pick point scoring system is a good way to judge a player for picks type deal. I know the points add up to pick 3 but otherwise 12+19 is not comparable to 3 in terms of the likelihood of drafting a quality player.
I actually agree TK, they aren't the same, but clubs do use draft points to determine a trade's worth when it isn't just a simple one pick for one player swap. Hopefully, the talk of us getting a 3rd rounder back is true. That, as I posted, would equate in terms of draft points to trading pick 6.
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