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Re: Brett Deledio [merged]
« Reply #705 on: January 27, 2012, 09:46:39 AM »
Richmond only ever had success when there was free agency. We have been the worst club in the AFL since the draft began. Instead of looking at Free Agency as a negative the club and supporters should see it as our opportunity to once again rule the AFL jungle. Its kill or be killed in free agency. The clubs that adapt will be winners the clubs who are negative will flounder. Its time for some heavy handed and ruthless administration against our opponents. Its time for us to be a success again. Free Agency will be Tiger Time Again!

good point 10fl...the sun will continue to rise and Ive got two words to say to Lids.."Nathan Buckley"...he walked out on the Liosn for supposedly better prospects and denied himself 3 flags, wouldnt suprise me in the least to see history repeat itself here :shh

Only 3 - I can see at least 5 on the horizon. These other clubs wont know where to hide when our administration gets a hold of them during free agency. Where gonna ream those barstards and its their fault so we will have nothing to feel guilty about. Its Tiger Time Gentlemen!

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« Reply #706 on: January 27, 2012, 10:15:10 AM »
Richmond only ever had success when there was free agency. We have been the worst club in the AFL since the draft began. Instead of looking at Free Agency as a negative the club and supporters should see it as our opportunity to once again rule the AFL jungle. Its kill or be killed in free agency. The clubs that adapt will be winners the clubs who are negative will flounder. Its time for some heavy handed and ruthless administration against our opponents. Its time for us to be a success again. Free Agency will be Tiger Time Again!

good point 10fl...the sun will continue to rise and Ive got two words to say to Lids.."Nathan Buckley"...he walked out on the Liosn for supposedly better prospects and denied himself 3 flags, wouldnt suprise me in the least to see history repeat itself here :shh

Only 3 - I can see at least 5 on the horizon. These other clubs wont know where to hide when our administration gets a hold of them during free agency. Where gonna ream those barstards and its their fault so we will have nothing to feel guilty about. Its Tiger Time Gentlemen!

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Re: Brett Deledio [merged]
« Reply #707 on: January 29, 2012, 11:27:44 PM »
No freedom yet for loyal Tiger Deledio
Jake Niall
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January 29, 2012


BRETT Deledio was able to choose football over cricket, but, unlike the willow-wielders who can play for whichever state or Indian Premier League outfit that will have them, Deledio had no say in his choice of club. As the No. 1 pick, he was sentenced to play for Richmond.

Much has already been made of the fact that Deledio and fellow No. 1 draft pick Brendon Goddard will be eligible for free agency at season's end. Yet, as the rules and club landscape stand today - and there is the prospect of a slight fiddle with those complicated rules - that pair have fairly limited options. At year's end, they are restricted free agents, which allows their clubs to retain them by matching the best offer.

Deledio is entering his eighth year. Given the circumstances, the best course for him is: Sign a two-year deal with Richmond this year and make himself an unrestricted free agent at the conclusion of 2014.

Richmond couldn't match any offer then. He could simply walk to whichever club - Essendon, Carlton, Geelong - could accommodate him under its salary cap. If he left the Tigers after 2012, as a restricted free agent, however, his choices narrow greatly, because few top eight teams will have the scope to pay any player the $650-700,000 or more that Richmond mightn't match.

Deledio would be giving the Tigers another two years in which to demonstrate that they're really building a team that can contend. Should Richmond fail to make the finals by 2014, few - besides rusted-on, fundamentalist Punt Rd-enders - would deny him the opportunity to ply his talents at a team that has premiership prospects. After 10 years for zero finals, no one could say that he hadn't given Richmond a fair go.

In 2012, Essendon and Sydney might be the only top-eight teams with the capacity to pay that type of dollar, $650,000-plus, for a gun player. Collingwood, Hawthorn, Geelong and Carlton certainly can't afford that - they're finding it hard enough to retain everyone, much less recruit A-graders. One doubts West Coast would bid and the Saints want to reduce their high-player payments.

The internet speculation about Goddard becoming a Blue, thus, is ridiculous. How can Carlton pay Chris Judd almost a million dollars, accommodate Marc Murphy, Bryce Gibbs et al and find an additional $700,000 or more to purloin Goddard? Even if he had no restrictions on his movement, the stronger teams don't have the room for him, or for Deledio for that matter, unless they are willing to jettison expensive players or lose them.

Goddard and Deledio can consider Greater Western Sydney, which can sign anyone. To move there, however, would be entirely about money, since the Giants won't contend for four or five years.

The year 2012 won't be as cataclysmic as the very bad John Cusack movie about that year (the earth's crust explodes, Cusack tries, but cannot save the film). Free agency (FA) is a labour market reform, a limited loosening of a heavily regulated work place, rather than a revolution. The unfettered older players with 10 years' service might well end up as the most heavily traded commodity.

Even now, there's some important fine print in the FA system that the league and the AFL Players' Association are clarifying. By one reading of the rules, the likes of Deledio, Travis Cloke, Harry O'Brien and others from the draft/rookie class of 2004 would jeopardise their chances of becoming unrestricted free agents from the end of 2014 if they signed contracts during this coming season.

Yes, this can be confusing to journalists, too. In essence, the rule says that a player isn't unshackled and totally ''free'' until he has completed a) eight years and b) another, subsequent contract of at least two years, making him a 10-year player.

By the letter of the law, Deledio and Cloke have no incentive for re-signing until the season is over, even if they want to stay - a scenario that invites unseemly, potentially destabilising speculation. If they re-signed mid-season - as Richmond and Collingwood would prefer - then it could be argued, on a literal interpretation, that they can't be unrestricted, go-anywhere free agents once that contract expires.

Goddard, technically speaking, is restricted because he signed a three-year deal late in 2009, his seventh season. If he had signed 12 months later, he would be free to play anywhere now. The Saints believe that his movements are restricted.

One would imagine that the AFL will cede to the players' request and allow players to sign mid-season, without risking their future freedom; otherwise, there is a huge anomaly that doesn't help the players, the clubs or the league. The one party it might assist is the media, since it fuels speculation about the players' intentions.

Whatever course Deledio, Goddard, Cloke and company choose, they aren't truly free yet. Eight years isn't enough. Unless you've got 10 years service, or are willing to shift to a club that's down the ladder, free agency could be seen as, literally, sweet FA.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/no-freedom-yet-for-loyal-tiger-deledio-20120128-1qn9t.html#ixzz1kqjjOIUw

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Re: Brett Deledio [merged]
« Reply #708 on: January 29, 2012, 11:33:04 PM »
'no freedom' hey Jake?

Go bite my arse
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« Reply #709 on: February 01, 2012, 04:11:36 AM »
Lids isn't the only one prepared to wait to re-sign. Patrick Dangerfield is also coming out of contract and has put off signing a new deal until later this year.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/patrick-dangerfield-no-rush-ill-sign-later/story-e6frf9jf-1226258910629

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« Reply #710 on: February 01, 2012, 06:28:52 AM »
There will be a large number of players that wait to re-sign this year.

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« Reply #711 on: February 01, 2012, 08:32:49 AM »
Newman said on SEN he's been trying to convince Lids to sign since reading the article. Felt that he didn't want Lid's signature hanging over the Tigers season ala Scully.

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« Reply #712 on: February 01, 2012, 10:20:16 AM »
Lids isn't the only one prepared to wait to re-sign. Patrick Dangerfield is also coming out of contract and has put off signing a new deal until later this year.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/patrick-dangerfield-no-rush-ill-sign-later/story-e6frf9jf-1226258910629

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« Reply #713 on: February 01, 2012, 11:30:12 PM »
Newman said on SEN he's been trying to convince Lids to sign since reading the article. Felt that he didn't want Lid's signature hanging over the Tigers season ala Scully.

Dead right this is what I said from the start. Ala Scully and Ablett.......not good enough, this will affect the team all year, the press will ensure this..

I actually think he will go if not signed up by seasons end, he will look at others players going where and where the premiership option is.....

See you Brett, thanks for f.... all.
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« Reply #714 on: February 01, 2012, 11:43:55 PM »
Newman said on SEN he's been trying to convince Lids to sign since reading the article. Felt that he didn't want Lid's signature hanging over the Tigers season ala Scully.

Dead right this is what I said from the start. Ala Scully and Ablett.......not good enough, this will affect the team all year, the press will ensure this..

I actually think he will go if not signed up by seasons end, he will look at others players going where and where the premiership option is.....

See you Brett, thanks for f.... all.

Don't panic WAT, Edwards will step up and take his place, we won't need Lids by seasons end anyway :lol

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« Reply #715 on: February 03, 2012, 12:17:00 AM »
Newman said on SEN he's been trying to convince Lids to sign since reading the article. Felt that he didn't want Lid's signature hanging over the Tigers season ala Scully.

Dead right this is what I said from the start. Ala Scully and Ablett.......not good enough, this will affect the team all year, the press will ensure this..

I actually think he will go if not signed up by seasons end, he will look at others players going where and where the premiership option is.....

See you Brett, thanks for f.... all.

Don't panic WAT, Edwards will step up and take his place, we won't need Lids by seasons end anyway :lol

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Re: Brett Deledio [merged]
« Reply #716 on: February 03, 2012, 08:12:12 AM »

See you Brett, thanks for f.... all.


That is so low. Even worse than normal.

The sooner people work out that football is now a professional BUSINESS, the better.

This situation is so simple its infuriating that people cant understand the logic.

1 - He waits till end of year, get offered a big amount by another club. Richmond match his market WORTH. Smart BUSINESS by Lids, and more to the point, fair BUSINESS. He signs this contract for 2 years.

2 - The 2 years is completed and 10 yrs up, again Lids waits to sign, smart BUSINESS. He finds out his un-restricted value, and again chooses to stay at Richmond for his market WORTH. Thus showing loyalty and smart BUSINESS.

All you people on your high horse criticise Lid's for lack of loyalty. When has he ever shown a lack of loyalty, when has he ever not put in 100% for the yellow and black.

I think its only fair that Brett gets paid what he is worth. You would do exactly the same in your chosen BUSINESS.

The loyalty part for lids will come after 10 yrs.


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« Reply #717 on: February 03, 2012, 08:35:28 AM »
Good post Damo but if Deledio walks for more coin you can hardly blame supporters for being angry.

This is the conflict.

For the players sport is a professional business but for supporters it's still it's an emotional roller-coaster where passion has little room for logic.

Richo will always be loved by the Tiger faithful but he's a dying breed.

In an age where cash talks and loyalty walks, supporters will lose connection with footballers/mercenaries.

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Re: Brett Deledio [merged]
« Reply #718 on: February 03, 2012, 08:36:58 AM »

See you Brett, thanks for f.... all.


That is so low. Even worse than normal.

The sooner people work out that football is now a professional BUSINESS, the better.

This situation is so simple its infuriating that people cant understand the logic.

1 - He waits till end of year, get offered a big amount by another club. Richmond match his market WORTH. Smart BUSINESS by Lids, and more to the point, fair BUSINESS. He signs this contract for 2 years.

2 - The 2 years is completed and 10 yrs up, again Lids waits to sign, smart BUSINESS. He finds out his un-restricted value, and again chooses to stay at Richmond for his market WORTH. Thus showing loyalty and smart BUSINESS.

All you people on your high horse criticise Lid's for lack of loyalty. When has he ever shown a lack of loyalty, when has he ever not put in 100% for the yellow and black.

I think its only fair that Brett gets paid what he is worth. You would do exactly the same in your chosen BUSINESS.

The loyalty part for lids will come after 10 yrs.

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Re: Brett Deledio [merged]
« Reply #719 on: February 03, 2012, 08:45:26 AM »
Here's the funny thing.

If a player is an old fashioned battler who gives his all, or if a good player is getting on a bit, supporters will still call for him to be given the ahrse.

No place for sentiment, we must move on and do what is best for the club.

Yet if a good player wants to leave for money of better chances of success, to do what is best for him, he is a mongrel dog.

Loyalty is a two way street, but many supporters want it one way.
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways my ways,” says the Lord.
 
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are my ways higher than your ways,
And my thoughts than your thoughts."

Yahweh? or the great Clawski?

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