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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: bluey_21 on June 24, 2007, 08:58:35 PM
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Who do you think we will target and have a chance at getting.
Meesen is an obvious option
Apparently Miller has been in Dowler's ear (can anyone confirm)
Wood (why isn't he in their team, injuries ???)
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Who do you think we will target and have a chance at getting.
Meesen is an obvious option
Apparently Miller has been in Dowler's ear (can anyone confirm)
Wood (why isn't he in their team, injuries ???)
It may depend on which pick in the PSD we end up with. For example, if we finish ahead of Carlton, they might get pick one in the PSD. They need a ruckman desperately and would grab one before us, thus wrecking any deal we made with Meesen or Wood.
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Dowler was a rumour from PRE.
Wood played I think, got me some bench dream team points.
Is Meesen any good?
I'd go for Mids and Rucks.
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Heard that rumour about Dowler too, not sure if it has any substance to it though
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I think we should target Collingwoods recruiting guy, Hine and also their player development team.
I keep writing off the Pies, but those kids are disciplined and have developed very quickly.
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I think we should target Collingwoods recruiting guy, Hine and also their player development team.
I keep writing off the Pies, but those kids are disciplined and have developed very quickly.
Is that Derek Hine?
His recruiting has been very good the past 2 years. Like you said the kids are talented, disciplined and have come on very quickly.
I hear he is a Richmond man (any one confirm?)
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I hear he is a Richmond man (any one confirm?)
Apparently he is - http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7891998
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that's where I read it from as well
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Charman, Dowler, Maric, Meesan in that order
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Charman, Dowler, Maric, Meesan in that order
Meesen, Dowler then Maric for me.
Don't want Charman
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I like Charman = tough.
Dowler would be nice.
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Charman may be tough, but he is injury prone and by the time we get to a grand final won't offer us much IMHO
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he isn't injury prone
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he isn't injury prone
um yes he is.
has played 72 matches in 6.5 seasons
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he isn't injury prone
um yes he is.
has played 72 matches in 6.5 seasons
minus 2 year it takes ruckmen to develop = 72 in 4.5
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he made his debut in 2001 and played almost a full season in 02 that means he was available for 7 seasons or at the very least 6
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he made his debut in 2001 and played almost a full season in 02 that means he was available for 7 seasons or at the very least 6
Charman or Pattison in the centre square? Who you want?
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he made his debut in 2001 and played almost a full season in 02 that means he was available for 7 seasons or at the very least 6
Charman or Pattison in the centre square? Who you want?
Neither really, would like Simmo, Meesen and McEvoy ;)
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he made his debut in 2001 and played almost a full season in 02 that means he was available for 7 seasons or at the very least 6
Charman or Pattison in the centre square? Who you want?
We need an animal in there. Simmonds I reckon could be an Alastair Lynch full forward.
Neither really, would like Simmo, Meesen and McEvoy ;)
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Charman's history over the past 3-4 years:
2004: Missed finals series with a knee injury
2006: missed games last year with a shoulder
2007: missed the start of this year with an achilles.
I agree with bluey. Injury prone.
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Some time you :bow to good judges. Bluey knows his stuff. :clapping
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Wirrpanda anyone? He's on the outer at the Eagles and close to being dropped.
Wirrpanda warned to lift for Eagles
The Age
July 11, 2007 - 5:59PM
While Eagles coach John Worsfold says Daniel Kerr does not need to change his game, despite another suspension, David Wirrpanda has been left in no doubt he requires an upturn in form to retain his place in the side.
A raft of injuries, as well Kerr's ban, may well see Wirrpanda survive the axe and face Port Adelaide this weekend, despite a month of poor form coinciding with West Coast's worrying wobble in defence of their premiership.
And despite his All-Australian status and unrivalled skills, Worsfold said Wirrpanda is currently nowhere near his best, and has been told as much.
"He is certainly not in his best form," Worsfold said.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/Sport/Wirrpanda-warned-to-lift-for-Eagles/2007/07/11/1183833589445.html
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nah, wrong age bracket, what is 27?
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3 years ago yes, now no
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Port and the Crows are going hell for leather for out of contract Pavlich. Wishful thinking I know but funny if a Nick Stevens scenario popped up again and Pav landed in our lap in the PSD :yep
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For those who are interested in us looking at picking up Meesen in the PSD, he is debuting for the Crows on Sunday.
John Meesen
Jumper No: 2
Height: 200
Weight: 95
DOB: 20/06/1986
Recruited From: Modewarre/Geelong U18
(http://afc.com.au/portals/0/images/players/crows/__John_Meesen-prof-main.jpg)
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Paul Haselby may be cut by Freo. A question mark over his back for other clubs interested in picking him up for free in the PSD.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22345325%255E19742,00.html
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In the PSD and for free, hasleby yes please :yep :yep :yep :yep :yep :yep :yep :yep :yep
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at 26 you'd think he'd have at least another good 5-6 years left in him
would be fantastic in helping out foley :thumbsup
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In the PSD and for free, hasleby yes please :yep :yep :yep :yep :yep :yep :yep :yep :yep
From memory, he was the player we wanted in 1999 with pick 3 but Freo got him with pick 2.
His fitness and back trouble might be a big concern. If you could get him for bugger all he'd be worth the risk, I reckon.
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You'd want Haselby to have a full medical done before you picked him up so you would know what you're getting and dealing with.
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In the PSD and for free, hasleby yes please :yep :yep :yep :yep :yep :yep :yep :yep :yep
From memory, he was the player we wanted in 1999 with pick 3 but Freo got him with pick 2.
His fitness and back trouble might be a big concern. If you could get him for bugger all he'd be worth the risk, I reckon.
ditto. for free than he was worth the risk
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maybe wallace can do a polak on him
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Hasleby = For Free = Yes ... what should the contract be ???
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You'd want Haselby to have a full medical done before you picked him up so you would know what you're getting and dealing with.
Was he good "mates" with Polak over there? :shh
Serious question, dont want an old crew getting back together and back in trouble.
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This will probably never happen, but you know what i'd love. Chris Judd nominates for the PSD we get him :pray and Carlton can go and suck my ****.
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This will probably never happen, but you know what i'd love. Chris Judd nominates for the PSD we get him :pray and Carlton can go and suck my ****.
;D you would love that all the gays from carlton town ;D
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Freo says Hasleby will have to take a pay cut to stay but his manager said he won't accept a pay cut.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/fremantle-plays-hard-ball-with-hasleby/2007/09/03/1188783158078.html
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Freo says Hasleby will have to take a pay cut to stay but his manager said he won't accept a pay cut.
Sounds like a trouble maker. He can't seriously think he's worth that much after his form over the last two seasons.
If we get him i'm hoping we don't over pay him.
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There's a rumour on the Swans forum that their ruckman Darren Jolly wants to head back south:
http://www.redandwhiteonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22157
Any interest?
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Jolly would cost a fair bit. We would have to give up pick 18 or 19 you'd think unless we could do a player swap + late pick with the Swannies. To think we could have got a 2nd round pick for Razor :P.
Freo says Hasleby will have to take a pay cut to stay but his manager said he won't accept a pay cut.
Sounds like a trouble maker. He can't seriously think he's worth that much after his form over the last two seasons.
If we get him i'm hoping we don't over pay him.
Yep. $420k for a player with questions marks of his body is a big risk.
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do not get Jolly !!!
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do not get Jolly !!!
yeah, stay miserable !!!
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We're one of the six clubs interested in Jolly so implies the Age.
SYDNEY ruckman Darren Jolly may play his last game for the Swans this weekend, with the lure of a return to Victoria said to be tempting him away from the SCG.
The 25-year-old is out of contract at the end of the season and is understood to be contemplating a return to Melbourne to resettle his wife and infant daughter closer to family.
Originally from regional Victoria, Jolly started his career with Melbourne seven seasons ago as a promoted rookie. Four years later, at the end of 2004, he was traded north for Sydney's first-round pick, selection 15, with which the Demons selected Lynden Dunn.
It is understood that as many as six clubs have expressed interest in acquiring Jolly
The Western Bulldogs, Carlton, St Kilda, Melbourne, Richmond and Collingwood are all in the market for ruckmen in a year that isn't offering many opportunities to recruit one through the draft.
It is understood that Adelaide is prepared to release John Meesen in a trade and Brisbane Lion Cameron Wood, who is contracted for next year, is also likely to make a move given Jamie Charman's hold on the first ruck position with the Lions, Matthew Leuenberger's emergence this year and the fact Beau McDonald is contracted for another season.
Both Meesen and Wood, though, are inexperienced and some way from fulfilling front-line duties. Jolly is not.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/swan-may-head-south-next-winter/2007/09/05/1188783319882.html
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IMO Jolly would be a good get, especially seeing how depleted our ruck stocks were this year.
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IMO Jolly would be a good get, especially seeing how depleted our ruck stocks were this year.
IMO his game has benefited from his time at the swans.
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Moran from North has his admirers, also uncontracted- so hes available via PSD. Id also be trading for a ruckman as well. Wood is one we could look at- a 2nd rounder or maybe a player.
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With Knobel gone and Gus and Patto still young and raw, we need a ready to go ruckman as well as picking up another young ruckman somewhere in the draft. Jolly would be a good pick up but the Swans may want too much for him in a direct swap. A 3-way trade of players say with Brisbane may be the way to go as that's how we got Simmo and Polak.
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Charman has re-signed with Brisbane
Charman agrees to new deal
11 September 2007 Herald Sun
Andrew Hamilton
THE Brisbane Lions have landed their top priority signature, with ruckman Jamie Charman agreeing to a new deal to remain at the club.
Charman's commitment has shifted attention on to ruck teammate Cameron Wood, who has been watched closely by the Sydney Swans this year.
There have been reports Swans ruckman Darren Jolly is interested in returning to Melbourne to be closer to family. Swans' football manager Andrew Ireland met Jolly's manager Michael Quinlan at the weekend.
Richmond also showed interest in Charman. It is understood former Lion premiership teammate, and Richmond assistant coach, Craig McRae was used as a salesman for the Tigers, who would have had first option on Charman had he allowed his contract to expire and nominated for the draft.
Wood is still contracted to the Lions, while Beau McDonald has a year to run on his contract.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22397078%255E19742,00.html
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Charman has re-signed with Brisbane
That's no surprise. The majority of these guys re-sign, after using the media and other clubs as a bargaining tool.
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Charman has re-signed with Brisbane
That's no surprise. The majority of these guys re-sign, after using the media and other clubs as a bargaining tool.
charman is not the number 1 targert, someone else is :shh ;)
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Charman has re-signed with Brisbane
That's no surprise. The majority of these guys re-sign, after using the media and other clubs as a bargaining tool.
charman is not the number 1 targert, someone else is :shh ;)
Going by our success rate id be backing Freddy Ferkensterker to be at Punt Rd next year lol....
I remember the old days on the other site before i was banned lol ... i put up the rumour about Freddy, one of my many i suppose ... and someone seriously replied back if i had any good information on Freddy Ferkensterker. HAHAHAHAHA
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Charman has re-signed with Brisbane
That's no surprise. The majority of these guys re-sign, after using the media and other clubs as a bargaining tool.
charman is not the number 1 targert, someone else is :shh ;)
Going by our success rate id be backing Freddy Ferkensterker to be at Punt Rd next year lol....
I remember the old days on the other site before i was banned lol ... i put up the rumour about Freddy, one of my many i suppose ... and someone seriously replied back if i had any good information on Freddy Ferkensterker. HAHAHAHAHA
Absolute gold :lol
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Charman has re-signed with Brisbane
That's no surprise. The majority of these guys re-sign, after using the media and other clubs as a bargaining tool.
charman is not the number 1 targert, someone else is :shh ;)
hints?, perhaps some cryptic clues.
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Charman has re-signed with Brisbane
That's no surprise. The majority of these guys re-sign, after using the media and other clubs as a bargaining tool.
charman is not the number 1 targert, someone else is :shh ;)
Going by our success rate id be backing Freddy Ferkensterker to be at Punt Rd next year lol....
I remember the old days on the other site before i was banned lol ... i put up the rumour about Freddy, one of my many i suppose ... and someone seriously replied back if i had any good information on Freddy Ferkensterker. HAHAHAHAHA
Absolute gold :lol
wasnt as golden as my Jim Boogie Aboriginal superstar thread that wed been hiding him in the outback somewhere...that thread went for page after page.... until the rest of the greek boys on there let fly that Jim Boogie was a gag about head jobs.
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charman is not the number 1 targert, someone else is :shh ;)
I've heard that one too but I don't know who :-\
;D
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charman is not the number 1 targert, someone else is :shh ;)
I've heard it's not some smallfry either but don't have any names.
If it's a ruckman:
Adelaide: Hudson (almost 29), Biglands (30 & inj), Griffin, Meesen and Tippett (both untried)
Brisbane: McDonald (28 - too old), Charman (resigned), Wood, Leuenberger
Carlton: Ackland (dud), Hampson (untried)
Pies: Fraser, Richards, Bryan - nup
Bombers: Hille, Laycock
Freo: Sandilands, Warnock
Geelong: Ottens, King (too old), Blake
Hawks: Campbell, Taylor, Bailey (knee), Renouf (untried)
Roos: McIntosh (wishful thinking), Hale, Moran and Goldstein (both untried)
Dees: White, Jamar, Paul Johnson - nup
Port: Brogan, Lade (resigned), Deluca and Hugh Minson (both untried)
Saints: nup
Swans: Everitt (too old), Jolly, Doyle (inj?), Currie (untried)
Eagles: Cox (wishful thinking), Seaby
If we want someone who has showed form at AFL level then it'll come down to say Jolly, Griffin, Warnock, Wood and perhaps even Hille who wasn't exactly flavour of the month at the Bombers this year.
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who is that "someone" else ???
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who is that "someone" else ???
Anonymous big name player :blah
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freddie ferkensterker or jim boogie - has to be lol.
finally we're gonna get a big name to punt road.
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Damn you "inside" people. He better be good! ;D
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Hasleby was in Melbourne on the weekend.
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Hasleby was in Melbourne on the weekend.
has back related problems for a while now, tread carefully in my opinion.
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pray the "Judd" trade dies in its arse ...
and take Judd for free in PSD ...
Hasleby ??? ... would be ok ... but haven't seen much of him playing because of injury ...
i am a supporter of always drafting 17,18 year olds in all drafts ... national, pre-season, rookie ...
just not sure about mature aged players ...
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Richmond made it clear it was not prepared to trade for 28-year-old Steven King.
"We won't be trading for King, but we'd look at him if he falls through to the pre-season draft," Miller said.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22559810-5012432,00.html
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3aw also said b/w 7-8pm that Steven King may end up in the PSD so guess who has a chance of picking him up. 3aw just saying everything and anything.
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3aw also said b/w 7-8pm that Steven King may end up in the PSD so guess who has a chance of picking him up. 3aw just saying everything and anything.
king will sign a 1 yr deal at the cats , thats my mail
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3aw also said b/w 7-8pm that Steven King may end up in the PSD so guess who has a chance of picking him up. 3aw just saying everything and anything.
Steven King another hack, couldnt get a game for most of the year becuase BLAKE was played before him ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Any interest here in out of contract Lion Jared Brennan?
The Bombers are trying to poach him in the PSD on a contract of $900k over 3 years.
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Any interest here in out of contract Lion Jared Brennan?
The Bombers are trying to poach him in the PSD on a contract of $900k over 3 years.
bloody oath, but he wont leave brisbane
he can play fwd and back and has freakish skills
worth 1million over 3 yrs, esp if jordy is asking for 330k/yr
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Any interest here in out of contract Lion Jared Brennan?
The Bombers are trying to poach him in the PSD on a contract of $900k over 3 years.
yes, better than the other players we are chasing.
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Any interest here in out of contract Lion Jared Brennan?
The Bombers are trying to poach him in the PSD on a contract of $900k over 3 years.
yes, better than the other players we are chasing.
What is the attraction with frustrating players that will end up making supporters want to bring up a big green loogie and land it on his head after 13 rounds next season.
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I'm with Wayne, no more friggin enigma's please!! :banghead :banghead
We need consistent players who perform week in week out. Brennan can one week have 25 possies and kick a bag of goals and
the next week get 3 possies and a point. :banghead
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we are not interested in brennan
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we are not interested in brennan
is it cos he is too good 4 us, has height, and can play
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Steven King is being linked to St Kilda.
That's the state of play at Geelong coming into today's trade deadline, with King looking increasingly likely to be playing elsewhere or be forced into retirement.
King, 28, met St Kilda coach Ross Lyon at Moorabbin yesterday.
Richmond has also expressed some interest in King, who played six games this season, but only as an outside possibility in the pre-season draft.
Link. (http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22572566%255E19742,00.html)
Cats premiership ruckman Steven King was again overlooked by rival clubs yesterday and in the likely event of him not being traded today, the 28-year-old is contemplating retirement.
Link. (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22571159-5012432,00.html)
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if king is the only decent player in th epsd, we should go for him, if his body has come good, he could be a real assett 4 us over the next 2-3 yrs
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what Geelong done to Blake & now released King to St-Kilda is nothing but disgraceful
Blake has no balls himself to stay what a loser
l'm glad his staying there cause l'm sure all ruckmen will let him know out on the field what a softy he really is
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if king is the only decent player in th epsd, we should go for him, if his body has come good, he could be a real assett 4 us over the next 2-3 yrs
i dont know mate i have to disagree.
id rather pick up no one that pick up yet another recycled player.
he will just add to our ever growing list of dissapointments...kingsley, knobel, nicholls, etc etc
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if king is the only decent player in th epsd, we should go for him, if his body has come good, he could be a real assett 4 us over the next 2-3 yrs
i dont know mate i have to disagree.
id rather pick up no one that pick up yet another recycled player.
he will just add to our ever growing list of dissapointments...kingsley, knobel, nicholls, etc etc
u r correct, and also just heard that kings body is screwed, most likely will retire
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If we pick up King then we might as well bring Knobel back out of retirement. We need a ruckman but not one that will be watching from the grandstands next year.
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Brisbane Lion a man in demand
Stephen Rielly and Jake Niall | October 13, 2007
AN UNUSUALLY fruitful trade period in which 20 players changed clubs, against only nine last year, ended yesterday but not for Brisbane Lions' Jared Brennan, who immediately became the most sought-after pre-season draft target.
While Essendon has made the running, Richmond, Melbourne, and the Western Bulldogs — all indicated last night their interest in pursuing him.
Sensing the chase to come, the Lions put a revised three-year offer to Brennan after the 2pm close of trading yesterday but not before the Dons reiterated their intent to lure him south with a three-year contract understood to be worth more than $900,000.
Melbourne and Richmond also either contacted Brennan's agent, Peter Whitehead, or said they intended to.
Richmond, holder of first choice in the pre-season draft, indicated that Brennan and Collingwood ruckman Guy Richards were on its radar.
Miller said the Tigers had sufficient room to recruit Chris Judd and therefore would not have any troubling in signing Brennan. He called Brennan and Richards "a good starting position" for pick one in the pre-season draft.
Full article at: http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/brisbane-lion-a-man-in-demand/2007/10/12/1191696179377.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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RICHARDS!!!! :o :o :o pee OF MILLER, DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT!
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Brisbane Lion a man in demand
Stephen Rielly and Jake Niall | October 13, 2007
AN UNUSUALLY fruitful trade period in which 20 players changed clubs, against only nine last year, ended yesterday but not for Brisbane Lions' Jared Brennan, who immediately became the most sought-after pre-season draft target.
While Essendon has made the running, Richmond, Melbourne, and the Western Bulldogs — all indicated last night their interest in pursuing him.
Sensing the chase to come, the Lions put a revised three-year offer to Brennan after the 2pm close of trading yesterday but not before the Dons reiterated their intent to lure him south with a three-year contract understood to be worth more than $900,000.
Melbourne and Richmond also either contacted Brennan's agent, Peter Whitehead, or said they intended to.
Richmond, holder of first choice in the pre-season draft, indicated that Brennan and Collingwood ruckman Guy Richards were on its radar.
Miller said the Tigers had sufficient room to recruit Chris Judd and therefore would not have any troubling in signing Brennan. He called Brennan and Richards "a good starting position" for pick one in the pre-season draft.
Full article at: http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/brisbane-lion-a-man-in-demand/2007/10/12/1191696179377.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
they have lost the plot at punt road.
FACT. Brennan is home sick and lives in Brisbane( he is from Darwin) How on earth would he live in Melbourne. Miller is full a crap. good spin doctoring there I reckon. Maybe Miller should stick to running his Boost Juice stores and leave football completely.
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Brisbane Lion a man in demand
Stephen Rielly and Jake Niall | October 13, 2007
AN UNUSUALLY fruitful trade period in which 20 players changed clubs, against only nine last year, ended yesterday but not for Brisbane Lions' Jared Brennan, who immediately became the most sought-after pre-season draft target.
While Essendon has made the running, Richmond, Melbourne, and the Western Bulldogs — all indicated last night their interest in pursuing him.
Sensing the chase to come, the Lions put a revised three-year offer to Brennan after the 2pm close of trading yesterday but not before the Dons reiterated their intent to lure him south with a three-year contract understood to be worth more than $900,000.
Melbourne and Richmond also either contacted Brennan's agent, Peter Whitehead, or said they intended to.
Richmond, holder of first choice in the pre-season draft, indicated that Brennan and Collingwood ruckman Guy Richards were on its radar.
Miller said the Tigers had sufficient room to recruit Chris Judd and therefore would not have any troubling in signing Brennan. He called Brennan and Richards "a good starting position" for pick one in the pre-season draft.
Full article at: http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/brisbane-lion-a-man-in-demand/2007/10/12/1191696179377.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
they have lost the plot at punt road.
FACT. Brennan is home sick and lives in Brisbane( he is from Darwin) How on earth would he live in Melbourne. Miller is full a crap. good spin doctoring there I reckon. Maybe Miller should stick to running his Boost Juice stores and leave football completely.
But can he play and would you have him at the tigers?
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I would have him at the tiges,BUT there are too many issues to put up with, not worth it in the long run
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I would have him at the tiges,BUT there are too many issues to put up with, not worth it in the long run
It's simple find him a nice melbourne lass and bring his family down to Melb (just like Cale M's parents will do after we draft him).
What are the other issues?
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I would have him at the tiges,BUT there are too many issues to put up with, not worth it in the long run
It's simple find him a nice melbourne lass and bring his family down to Melb (just like Cale M's parents will do after we draft him).
What are the other issues?
next topic
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When Whitnall is a PSD option then you know it's going to be a weak PSD :-\.
Brennan may have issues but at least he has ability compared to others mentioned so far.
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We will probably end up taking Perrie from Adelaide.
Really depends who gets the chop and who isnt getting what they want.
I dont think Brock McLean has re-signed yet has he? I dont know why we didnt focus on getting him.
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I dont think Brock McLean has re-signed yet has he? I dont know why we didnt focus on getting him.
McLean has re-signed.
Perrie is one who fits into the "Plays well against Richmond" category :P. He's even older than Whitnall. Turns 29 in April.
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From the Herald-Sun...
Jared Brennan is almost certain to continue his football away from the Lions.
Brennan's bags are packed and the likelihood of him continuing with the Lions next year are fading fast.
Essendon and Richmond are favoured to win his signature after negotiations between his manager and the Lions stalled. The Bombers have tabled a three-year contract, which is understood to be about $900,000.
Meanwhile, dumped Collingwood ruckman Guy Richards has attracted keen interest from clubs ahead of the pre-season draft.
His manager, Paul Connors, said a deal had been close with St Kilda.
"We will shop around and have a look," Connors said.
"I reckon he will be one of the best players in the pre-season draft. He was keen to go to St Kilda. Collingwood has three ruckmen now, so we just want to explore opportunities and be smart about it."
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22582681-11088,00.html
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From the Herald-Sun...
Meanwhile, dumped Collingwood ruckman Guy Richards has attracted keen interest from clubs ahead of the pre-season draft.
His manager, Paul Connors, said a deal had been close with St Kilda.
"We will shop around and have a look," Connors said.
"I reckon he will be one of the best players in the pre-season draft. He was keen to go to St Kilda. Collingwood has three ruckmen now, so we just want to explore opportunities and be smart about it."
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22582681-11088,00.html
Pleeeeeaaaase let hime go to Carlton for a love-in with Connors' other clients... :whistle
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we are getting worse ...
please don't get any of them two players ...
Richards or Brennan ...
used the pick of a kid who didn't get picked up in the draft !!!
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we are getting worse ...
please don't get any of them two players ...
Richards or Brennan ...
used the pick of a kid who didn't get picked up in the draft !!!
Overlook Brennan for a kid no one wanted in the draft ???
Not a smart move
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We will probably end up taking Perrie from Adelaide.
Really depends who gets the chop and who isnt getting what they want.
I dont think Brock McLean has re-signed yet has he? I dont know why we didnt focus on getting him.
OMG Perrie give me a break.......
its not to understand the following words...YOUTH, YOUTH, YOUTH
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we are getting worse ...
please don't get any of them two players ...
Richards or Brennan ...
used the pick of a kid who didn't get picked up in the draft !!!
Overlook Brennan for a kid no one wanted in the draft ???
Not a smart move
their talking about Jarrad not Luke
J Brennan is a freak and could be anything. His performance against the pies late in the year was awesome to say the least
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Well Miller mentioned Brennan, Bolton and Tenace on 3aw today. Brennan seems the frontrunner at this stage if he walks.
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If he is available Bolton would be my choice whilst our youngsters develop.
Inside player.
Consistant possession winner.
Great tackler.
Good clubman and quality person.
Takes pressure off Tuck, Foley and most importantly Coughlan.
Brennan may have more upside but he is also a far riskier proposition despite the fact he is more suited to the type we need.
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Whitnall not right for Dogs, Tigers
15 October 2007 Herald Sun
Daryl Timms
Richmond football manager Greg Miller also said the Tigers were seeking younger players and would bypass Whitnall, who can also play as a key defender.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22584615%255E20322,00.html
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lets hope brennan is in the ps draft :pray
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My boy Jim Boogie has been working hard over the winter and is ripped and ready to go for a new beginning. He loves the Tiges. Its been his lifes long ambition to wear the yellow & black. Jimmy boy is the player we should pick.
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Miller said the club would take a wait-and-see approach on how to use the first overall pick in the pre-season draft.
“I really don’t want to comment too much on who [we’ll take with pick one] because I haven’t spoken to the senior coach yet,” Miller said, adding dumped Blue Lance Whitnall had not been ruled out as reported.
“The pre-season [draft] is about the players that he chooses, the senior coach will determine, once our national draft’s finished, who’s the best available player to help our list.”
http://richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=52493
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Ben Rutten
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Ben Rutten
What's the story with Rutten? Not the first time I've heard that rumour in the past couple of days.
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Draft prospect Brennan keen on Lions
The Age
October 15, 2007 - 5:19PM
Talented Brisbane utility Jared Brennan is shaping as a potential top pick in this year's AFL pre-season draft but he remains keen to strike a new deal with the Lions.
Brisbane have so far been unwilling to meet the contract demands of the versatile 23-year-old, who has regularly shown flashes of brilliance hampered by inconsistency.
Brennan's manager Peter Whitehead said he had spoken with several clubs, including Richmond, who hold the No.1 pick in the pre-season draft, but it did not mean the player was definitely on the move.
"We're just considering our options," he said.
"He still wants to stay with his mates at the Lions ... the door's not closed on Brisbane at all.
"From a family perspective, he's got a young family, he's just looking at securing his family's future.
"But if that can not be worked out with the Lions, there are other options."
Richmond director of football Greg Miller indicated the Tigers would be able to afford Brennan, a former No.3 draft pick who will command a hefty wage bill should he nominate for the pre-season draft.
"We had room for Chris Judd," Miller said when asked if there was room for Brennan under the club's salary cap.
"It appears (Brennan would be the best available player should he nominate for the draft), but I haven't examined the whole list yet as to who's uncontracted and who's available.
"The pre-season draft is about insurance to your list and improving your list in deficiency areas.
"We'll examine all the uncontracted players and weigh them up to see who best suits our list."
Miller also refused to rule out the Tigers chasing sacked Carlton skipper Lance Whitnall.
He was shown the door by the Blues at the weekend - the club telling the 28-year-old they didn't believe his degenerative knee injury would allow him to train often enough to play at his best.
Doctors are believed to have advised Whitnall, who won the club's best and fairest in 2006, that he would only be able to train once a week.
"I haven't spoken to the senior coach yet and he will determine once the national draft is finished who is the best player to help our list," Miller said.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/Sport/Draft-prospect-Brennan-keen-on-Lions/2007/10/15/1192300673827.html
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No idea , all i have seen is a thread on bigfooty which seems to suggest he hasnt re signed yet..
He will probably re sign but you would hope we would least have a go..
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Previous first PSD picks over the past decade:
1998: Jamie Shannahan
1999: David Calthorpe
2000: Shane O'Bree
2001: Brett Voss
2002: Pass (next player was Aaron Lord)
2003: Stephen Powell
2004: Jade Rawlings
2005: Trent Knobel
2006: Dylan McLaren
2007: Cain Ackland
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No idea , all i have seen is a thread on bigfooty which seems to suggest he hasnt re signed yet..
He will probably re sign but you would hope we would least have a go..
Yep HB you would hope we'd have a go at him. Rutten would be exactly the type of bigger-bodied key defender we need. 24 years old too so not too old either.
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Previous first PSD picks over the past decade:
1998: Jamie Shannahan
1999: David Calthorpe
2000: Shane O'Bree
2001: Brett Voss
2002: Pass (next player was Aaron Lord)
2003: Stephen Powell
2004: Jade Rawlings
2005: Trent Knobel
2006: Dylan McLaren
2007: Cain Ackland
Slim pickings when you look at that list.
If Brennan re-signs with the Lions, we'll probably end up with a choice between Guy Richards or Kepler Bradley :-\.
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Previous first PSD picks over the past decade:
1998: Jamie Shannahan
1999: David Calthorpe
2000: Shane O'Bree
2001: Brett Voss
2002: Pass (next player was Aaron Lord)
2003: Stephen Powell
2004: Jade Rawlings
2005: Trent Knobel
2006: Dylan McLaren
2007: Cain Ackland
Slim pickings when you look at that list.
If Brennan re-signs with the Lions, we'll probably end up with a choice between Guy Richards or Kepler Bradley :-\.
It scares me I'd pick Kepler given that situation. :o
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Show me the money, or I'll walk, says Lion
Michael Gleeson and Karen Lyon | October 16, 2007
A QUEUE of clubs has formed to claim out-of-contract Lion Jared Brennan who remains insistent on Brisbane meeting improved financial terms or he will walk from the club through the pre-season draft.
Richmond, with first pick in the pre-season draft and space under the salary cap made to accommodate Chris Judd, is now poised to be able to claim Brennan for nothing in the draft should he choose to leave the Lions.
Brennan grew up following Essendon and remains good friends with Mal Michael and Gary O'Donnell, so the Bombers would be his first choice of alternative clubs were he to be given the indulgence of choice. But the chances of him appearing in red and black are remote with four clubs ahead of them in the pre-season draft.
Richmond and the Western Bulldogs yesterday contacted Brennan's manager Peter Whitehead to express their interest in the former No. 3 draft pick while Melbourne and Carlton are both also interested.
Whitehead said Brennan's first preference was to remain at Brisbane but, with a young family, was keen that his next three-year deal was on the best money possible.
Essendon has already put a three-year offer of more than $900,000 to Brennan, which was believed to be significantly more than the Lions were offering. Richmond, by offering similar or better terms, could be able to entice the enigmatic key position player into moving.
"Jared would like to stay at the Lions with his mates but he also realises he has a young family and needs financial security," Whitehead said.
"The Lions have offered him thee years and Essendon has offered him three years and Richmond and the Western Bulldogs have both expressed their interest in him. So Jared has to decide what he wants to do.
"He would like it resolved as soon as possible because he is now in a situation where the lease on the place he is residing comes up at the end of the month and he wants to know what he is doing.
"If he had to leave and he had a choice of clubs there is a sentimental attachment to Essendon because he grew up barracking for them for what that is worth, but he knows Mal Michael and Gary O'Donnell so there is a connection there. But obviously you don't always get to choose these things.
"It is a serious consideration that he go into the pre-season draft. We would not be in this situation if it wasn't."
Richmond football director Greg Miller said the Tigers were very interested in Brennan in the pre-season and, having made room to accommodate Judd in the eventuality that no deal was struck in the trade period with Carlton and he entered the pre-season draft, they have significant space in the salary cap to offer an attractive deal.
"We'll examine all the uncontracted players and weigh them up to see who best suits our list," Miller said, adding "we had room for Chris Judd," when asked if they had room under the salary cap for Brennan.
"It appears (Brennan could be the best available player) but I haven't examined the whole list yet."
http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/brennan-seeks-more-money/2007/10/15/1192300684402.html
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Brennan wants to join Essendon
16 October 2007 Herald Sun
Mark Robinson and Mark Stevens
FLAMBOYANT Brisbane forward Jared Brennan wants to play for Essendon if he nominates for the pre-season draft.
His wish, however, appears ambitious.
The problem for both Brennan and Essendon is that the Bombers have pick No. 5, behind Richmond (No. 1), Melbourne (No. 2) and the Western Bulldogs (No. 4), who have all expressed interest in the Lion through his manager Peter Whitehead.
Carlton, too, with pick No. 2 is also in the financial position to meet Brennan's demands.
As of yesterday, it seems increasingly likely Brennan will stay at Brisbane.
The Lions put a three-year offer to the left-footer on Friday, which he is considering. "It hasn't been to agreed to at this stage," Whitehead said.
The Dons' offer, estimated to be about $1 million over three years, is better financially.
If Brennan rejects Brisbane's offer, he will put a price on his head in the pre-season in a bid to land at Windy Hill.
The Lions refused to deal him to Essendon in trade week.
Whitehead confirmed Brennan's choice would be Essendon. "Yes they are . . . at this stage," he said.
Asked about the chances of Brennan getting to Essendon in the pre-season, he said: "Strange things happen, so we'll just see what unfolds."
The Bulldogs, who also courted Brennan last week, spoke to Whitehead yesterday.
"They haven't put anything to me yet. They touched based today, said they were very keen so we'll see how it unfolds," Whitehead said.
He said Brennan would hopefully make a decision within a fortnight.
"He's keeping his options open," Whitehead said.
"At the end of the day he would like to stay with his mates in Brisbane, but he's also mindful about securing his family's future.
"He's got a young family, and if he has to move to Melbourne so be it."
The Tigers, too, are hunting an out-of-contract player with their No. 1 choice.
Asked if the Tigers had room under the salary cap for Brennan, Miller said yesterday: "We had room for Chris Judd."
Miller said Brennan would appear the most attractive pre-season draft prospect.
The Tigers are compiling a list of possible targets.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22591546%255E19742,00.html
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brennan is just playing the bidding game. he is just stalling his time to put pressure on the lions to pay him more. he wont leave , he is fos like hooper, just trying to get the best deal for himself. the only way he will leave is if brisbane has already used up most of its cap and cant pay him more, but i bet they come up with some "arrangement"
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nice avitar X ;D
agree on Brennen
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nice avitar X ;D
agree on Brennen
i knew u would like it! ;D
u r up early monk?
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yeah mate busy day ;D
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No idea , all i have seen is a thread on bigfooty which seems to suggest he hasnt re signed yet..
He will probably re sign but you would hope we would least have a go..
Yep HB you would hope we'd have a go at him. Rutten would be exactly the type of bigger-bodied key defender we need. 24 years old too so not too old either.
IMO he'd be a more important acquisition to our team than Judd.
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No idea , all i have seen is a thread on bigfooty which seems to suggest he hasnt re signed yet..
He will probably re sign but you would hope we would least have a go..
Yep HB you would hope we'd have a go at him. Rutten would be exactly the type of bigger-bodied key defender we need. 24 years old too so not too old either.
IMO he'd be a more important acquisition to our team than Judd.
Rutten is out of contract but Crows fans think it'll be just a formality for him to re-sign. He may even be given the Adelaide captaincy now that Ricciuto has retired.
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Fergus Watts worth a look? Would probably be eligible to rookie, not sure, but I'd take a punt on him. Saints obviously felt that a Kosi / Watts forward line was looking too cumbersome, but I reckon he might come good with time. The book on him is that he is slow and not great at ground level, but that may be due to (now resolved) ankle problems.
Thoughts?
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Watts has failed at two clubs. The Saints traded pick 17 for him from Adelaide. Pass.
Lethal believes Brennan will re-sign. He also reckons Victorian sides have deliberately targetted Brisbane players. Us with Hooper, Essendon with Brennan, North with Selwood and Carlton with Drummond.
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its becoming clearer by the day we will end up with a dud like watts, richards or bradley and that is a waste of a pick in my book.
those type of players will lose you a game not win one for u
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its becoming clearer by the day we will end up with a dud like watts, richards or bradley and that is a waste of a pick in my book.
those type of players will lose you a game not win one for u
any result of this type will be a diabolical outcome for the club and a complete failure by the football department. Twice on the bottom in 4 seasons 2 1st psd picks and not a decent outcome. That would be a terrible terrible outcome.
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any result of this type will be a diabolical outcome for the club and a complete failure by the football department. Twice on the bottom in 4 seasons 2 1st psd picks and not a decent outcome. That would be a terrible terrible outcome.
Name which star players we've missed out on in the PSD? You seem to have a strange idea of what talent is actually available. Next I'm sure you're going to tell me it's because we're not working hard enough to attract the right players, even though every year Miller shakes the tree to try and get people to come to Richmond, to the point where every other club in the league hates him because he is always trying to poach their players.
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in the end, the only result that counts is the end result. There have been plenty of uncontracted star players ... issue is do we have the ability to get ONE just ONE to nominate for the PSD.
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The key questions:
Why were we not able to convince 1 big name player to go into the 2004 psd and why if we cant convince 1 big name player to go into the PSD of 2007 do you guys always want to make excuses. If they find a big name player for this psd coming up then yeah Ill be the first one to come on and congratulate them but if not then Im entitle to my opinion and that will be that they havent succeeded which means they would have failed. Thats the bottom line.
Im not asking for 27 star players... just 1 ... just 1 Big Name player.
Or dont Richmond supporters deserve to have some hope for the future.
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We got Brown a couple of years back. You hardly ever see a real star go into the PSD. If we want good players to want to come to us then we need to build an attractive team. ATM we are a bit of a laughing stock. I believe this is temporary. Wait and watch. I know we've been waiting a long tome but I think the quality of our young guys is a bit more exciting than I can remember for, oh I don't know, about 25 years.
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If we're left with the choice of picking up another recycled dud who'll only last a year, it'd be better to either go for youth or pass altogether on the PSD and pick up a 5th rookie with Joel remaining inside the senior list as a veteran.
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The key questions:
Why were we not able to convince 1 big name player to go into the 2004 psd and why if we cant convince 1 big name player to go into the PSD of 2007 do you guys always want to make excuses. If they find a big name player for this psd coming up then yeah Ill be the first one to come on and congratulate them but if not then Im entitle to my opinion and that will be that they havent succeeded which means they would have failed. Thats the bottom line.
Im not asking for 27 star players... just 1 ... just 1 Big Name player.
Or dont Richmond supporters deserve to have some hope for the future.
Tell me which other clubs have been able to attract a big name player into the PSD? Maybe, just maybe, you need to consider that your expectations are way out of whack with reality.
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The key questions:
Why were we not able to convince 1 big name player to go into the 2004 psd and why if we cant convince 1 big name player to go into the PSD of 2007 do you guys always want to make excuses. If they find a big name player for this psd coming up then yeah Ill be the first one to come on and congratulate them but if not then Im entitle to my opinion and that will be that they havent succeeded which means they would have failed. Thats the bottom line.
Im not asking for 27 star players... just 1 ... just 1 Big Name player.
Or dont Richmond supporters deserve to have some hope for the future.
Tell me which other clubs have been able to attract a big name player into the PSD? Maybe, just maybe, you need to consider that your expectations are way out of whack with reality.
maybe you and gordon and the rest of the apologists can understand that we just got the wooden spoon, the 2nd in 4 seasons, and I duely note your failure to answer my posts ie. player trades and us not being able to attract a big name. You guys are apologists for a failed strategy and system. The only thing that counts is the end result...and ours has been 2 wooden spoons in 4 seasons.
Just 1 Big Name...Just 1. Thats all Just 1. All we ever get is excuses. Deliver a Big Name and Ill shut up. Until then, until they deliver JUST 1 big name player they deserve the criticism.
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Just 1 Big Name...Just 1. Thats all Just 1. All we ever get is excuses. Deliver a Big Name and Ill shut up. Until then, until they deliver JUST 1 big name player they deserve the criticism.
Ben Cousins :help
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Richmond supporters sticking up for Richmond and Richmond players on a Richmond fan site.
Go figure, hey Ramps. :D
Going back to Jezza's question - out of interest, what club has been able to convince a big name player to go into the PSD? Ever.
(If anyone says Mal Michael I'll spew up - the criteria is big name player, not has been).
Even though you dismissed this question, Ramps, it is relevant to your expectation.
If repeat offending serial cheats Carlton haven't managed to do it then how are Richmond supposed to?
Are you suggesting the club should delve outside the rules to lure someone?
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Richmond, which has the first pick in the pre-season draft, has Lion Brennan at the top of its list, but would consider Kane Tenace from Geelong and Collingwood's delisted ruckman Guy Richards if Brennan re-signs with the Lions.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/carlton-considers-bypassing-preseason-draft/2007/10/16/1192300767743.html
Mitch Hahn is also yet to re-sign with the Dogs.
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if they pick up richards , they should all be put into a commercial meatmincer while they are still alive! then their remains should be used as shark burley. no way to gay richards.
tenace has pace but has shocking skill
hahn would be ok but is very inconsistant but under terry western tiger outfit he may just produce.
brennan is inconsistant also and i dont think his head is screwed on right
whats the go with adcock, is he still available?
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whats the go with adcock, is he still available?
No.
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Richmond supporters sticking up for Richmond and Richmond players on a Richmond fan site.
Go figure, hey Ramps. :D
Okay, I'll plead guilty to doing that. As ramps said, it's "shocking".
I agree with you, jezza. Ramps' expectations in this regard are out of touch with reality.
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whats the go with adcock, is he still available?
No.
cheers
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Richmond supporters sticking up for Richmond and Richmond players on a Richmond fan site.
Go figure, hey Ramps. :D
Okay, I'll plead guilty to doing that. As ramps said, it's "shocking".
I agree with you, jezza. Ramps' expectations in this regard are out of touch with reality.
Blah! Blah! Blah!
Just 1 Big Name Gentlemen Just 1 and Ill shut up. Richmond supporters deserve better than the poo they have to put up with and have put up with for 27 years.
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Blah! Blah! Blah!
Just 1 Big Name Gentlemen Just 1 and Ill shut up. Richmond supporters deserve better than the pooh they have to put up with and have put up with for 27 years.
Umm, we're the ones asking YOU for one name. Give us one big name that's ever been attracted into the PSD and we'll admit Richmond have failed in that area. Until you do, sure, you can label us a failure, as long as you label every single other side in the comp a failure too.
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Blah! Blah! Blah!
Just 1 Big Name Gentlemen Just 1 and Ill shut up. Richmond supporters deserve better than the pooh they have to put up with and have put up with for 27 years.
Umm, we're the ones asking YOU for one name. Give us one big name that's ever been attracted into the PSD and we'll admit Richmond have failed in that area. Until you do, sure, you can label us a failure, as long as you label every single other side in the comp a failure too.
Nick Stevens from Port who ended up at Carlton!
Now go find Richmond supporters just 1 big name player and give them some hope instead of being apologists for the continued failings of our club
Or are you finally gonna admit that we're not capable of finding just 1 big name player. Coz if thats the case they may as well shut the place down and turn of the lights!
Give the supporters hope! They deserve better! They keep coming to games, the keep giving the club money! They dont deserve the crap they get offered up year after year!
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Carlton didn't need to do anything to get Stevens. Stevens wanted to go to Collingwood but because they wouldn't cough up Didak, Mark Williams said stuff you you're off to the PSD as a message to any other Port player thinking of making trade demands. The doggies had already agreed to take Rawlings with pick 1 due to the Veale deal so Stevens fell into the lap of the Blues at pick 2.
We got Gas via the PSD in 1996.
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Nick Stevens from Port who ended up at Carlton!
Nick Stevens was a very unusual case. He didn't want to end up in the PSD and not often will you come across a team that will say, "Stuff the lot of you, we'll take nothing for one of the best midfielders in the comp just to stick it up you", like Port did. Don't really think you can use him as an example.
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I WAS ASKED FOR A NAME- I PROVIDED THE NAME!
NOW SOME OF YOU SAY - IT DOESNT COUNT!
BLAH BLAH BLAH!
CAN RICHMOND GET JUST 1 ... JUST 1 BIG NAME PLAYER!
IM NOT ASKING FOR THE RETURN OF CONSTANTINOPLE TO GREECE
ALL IM ASKING IS FOR OUR CLUB TO SIGN 1 RECOGNISED BIG NAME PLAYER!
THAT IS ALL!
DO RICHMOND SUPPORTERS NOT DESERVE TO HAVE HOPE?
DONT RICHMOND SUPPORTERS DESERVE BETTER?
OR DO RICHMOND SUPPORTERS HAVE TO ACCEPT WOODEN SPOON AFTER WOODEN SPOON?
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OH YEAH...
AND I WILL SHUT UP, WHEN THE CLUB DELIVERS!
IF THEY DELIVER!
AND I WILL BE THE FIRST TO CONGRATULATE THEM WHEN THEY DELIVER!
Lets just say Im not holding my breath!
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2006 Preseason draft
Adelaide got Porplezia
We got White
DRAW
2004 Preseason draft lol...
Richmond takes Ben Marsh
Fremantle select Michael Johnson
lol
2003 Preseason draft lol
Richmond select PASS
Sydney select Craig Bolton
Geelong select Brent Moloney
lol
Other clubs found players, Carlton got a big name player in stevens and other clubs developed some of these into very nice players.
JUST 1 PLAYER GENTLEMEN! JUST 1! THATS ALL I ASK!
And if Richmond wants to be known as a big club then it has to start getting big names. Thats how it is!
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Ok. :-\ Can't say I share your frustration, perhaps because I don't have the same expectations of the PSD, but I certainly hope you get your wish. Anything that's good for Richmond will get the thumbs up from me. :thumbsup
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And if Richmond wants to be known as a big club then it has to start getting big names. Thats how it is!
That's possibly true off-field in terms of attracting $$$ Ramps but on-field drafting and developing your own big name champions is a more guaranteed way of achieving success.
Who knows anyway who will be available yet. Big names hardly walk into the PSD but hey all this Cousins/West Coast thing might see a big name out of contract Eagle say he's had enough and bails.
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http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22599236-661,00.html
Well Cousins has been sacked. Damn what a conundrum. A midfielder as good as Judd when playing at his best available but how can you take the risk especially with our young and impressionable list.
What to do ... what to do ... ???
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You couldn't do it. You can't trust a drug addict. What a damn shame.
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I WAS ASKED FOR A NAME- I PROVIDED THE NAME!
NOW SOME OF YOU SAY - IT DOESNT COUNT!
BLAH BLAH BLAH!
CAN RICHMOND GET JUST 1 ... JUST 1 BIG NAME PLAYER!
IM NOT ASKING FOR THE RETURN OF CONSTANTINOPLE TO GREECE
ALL IM ASKING IS FOR OUR CLUB TO SIGN 1 RECOGNISED BIG NAME PLAYER!
THAT IS ALL!
DO RICHMOND SUPPORTERS NOT DESERVE TO HAVE HOPE?
DONT RICHMOND SUPPORTERS DESERVE BETTER?
OR DO RICHMOND SUPPORTERS HAVE TO ACCEPT WOODEN SPOON AFTER WOODEN SPOON?
Nope, not good enough and you know it. Stevens is completely irrelevant and is NOT IN ANY WAY validation of your argument. My five year old nephew puts his hands over his ears and yells blah blah blah whenever he doesn't want to hear when he's wrong, I'd hope you could be a bit more mature.
So again, you are yet to name one big-name player that has gone to the PSD after being attracted there by a club.
Michael Johnson - was he a big name player when he was drafted? NO.
Brent Maloney - see above. NO.
Craig Bolton - No, he was discarded by Brisbane, hardly Sydney attracting a big name player.
So again we are left with not one single big name player ever entering the PSD because of the actions of another club to get them there.
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You couldn't do it. You can't trust a drug addict. What a damn shame.
Cousins is finished. No club will touch him now even if the AFL don't deregister him. He's a risk to sponsorship, draft picks, club fines by the AFL, etc... on top the risk of poisoning the playing group. He needs major help and being in the spotlight won't help that. It's a sheer waste of such a gifted footballer. Brownlow medallist to expelled drug addict in the space of 2 years.
SEN said there's been a ring around the clubs and no club is interested in him in the PSD.
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I WAS ASKED FOR A NAME- I PROVIDED THE NAME!
NOW SOME OF YOU SAY - IT DOESNT COUNT!
BLAH BLAH BLAH!
CAN RICHMOND GET JUST 1 ... JUST 1 BIG NAME PLAYER!
IM NOT ASKING FOR THE RETURN OF CONSTANTINOPLE TO GREECE
ALL IM ASKING IS FOR OUR CLUB TO SIGN 1 RECOGNISED BIG NAME PLAYER!
THAT IS ALL!
DO RICHMOND SUPPORTERS NOT DESERVE TO HAVE HOPE?
DONT RICHMOND SUPPORTERS DESERVE BETTER?
OR DO RICHMOND SUPPORTERS HAVE TO ACCEPT WOODEN SPOON AFTER WOODEN SPOON?
Nope, not good enough and you know it. Stevens is completely irrelevant and is NOT IN ANY WAY validation of your argument. My five year old nephew puts his hands over his ears and yells blah blah blah whenever he doesn't want to hear when he's wrong, I'd hope you could be a bit more mature.
So again, you are yet to name one big-name player that has gone to the PSD after being attracted there by a club.
Michael Johnson - was he a big name player when he was drafted? NO.
Brent Maloney - see above. NO.
Craig Bolton - No, he was discarded by Brisbane, hardly Sydney attracting a big name player.
So again we are left with not one single big name player ever entering the PSD because of the actions of another club to get them there.
BLAH BLAH BLAH
you got owned when i named a player.
Your full of it, you asked me for a name, I provided it. Now can you tell me why RICHMOND is incapable of getting a big name player.
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I WAS ASKED FOR A NAME- I PROVIDED THE NAME!
NOW SOME OF YOU SAY - IT DOESNT COUNT!
BLAH BLAH BLAH!
CAN RICHMOND GET JUST 1 ... JUST 1 BIG NAME PLAYER!
IM NOT ASKING FOR THE RETURN OF CONSTANTINOPLE TO GREECE
ALL IM ASKING IS FOR OUR CLUB TO SIGN 1 RECOGNISED BIG NAME PLAYER!
THAT IS ALL!
DO RICHMOND SUPPORTERS NOT DESERVE TO HAVE HOPE?
DONT RICHMOND SUPPORTERS DESERVE BETTER?
OR DO RICHMOND SUPPORTERS HAVE TO ACCEPT WOODEN SPOON AFTER WOODEN SPOON?
Nope, not good enough and you know it. Stevens is completely irrelevant and is NOT IN ANY WAY validation of your argument. My five year old nephew puts his hands over his ears and yells blah blah blah whenever he doesn't want to hear when he's wrong, I'd hope you could be a bit more mature.
So again, you are yet to name one big-name player that has gone to the PSD after being attracted there by a club.
Michael Johnson - was he a big name player when he was drafted? NO.
Brent Maloney - see above. NO.
Craig Bolton - No, he was discarded by Brisbane, hardly Sydney attracting a big name player.
So again we are left with not one single big name player ever entering the PSD because of the actions of another club to get them there.
BLAH BLAH BLAH
you got owned when i named a player.
Your full of it, you asked me for a name, I provided it. Now can you tell me why RICHMOND is incapable of getting a big name player.
To use your example Ramps, we couldn't land the big name player (Judd) because WCE weren't prepared to let him go for nothing, andwere undercompenstaed by Carlton rather than be complete losers so Richmond could benefit... ??? Carlton only won out by being in the right place at the right time.
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Tigers haven't discussed Ben
18 October 2007 Herald Sun
Daryl Timms
RICHMOND football director Greg Miller said last night it would be a huge call for any club to offer Ben Cousins another chance.
Although the Tigers have first pick in the pre-season draft, Miller said he could not say whether the club would show any interest in the disgraced Eagle.
"I would have to speak to (coach) Terry Wallace and he is on holidays for three or four days," Miller said.
"It's a massive call and we would need to discuss it with the coach and the board."
Miller said Cousins would be eligible to be picked up in the pre-season draft unless he was deregistered by the AFL.
"Unless the AFL puts some suspensions on him, of course he can go into the pre-season draft," he said.
"But it's that big a question that it's something I couldn't answer, so that's why it would have to go to the coach and board."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22605006%255E19742,00.html
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Jude Bolton and Tenace have re-signed with the Swans and Cats respectively.
So our choice has narrowed down to Brennan (who could also still re-sign with the Lions) and Richards :-\.
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Jude Bolton and Tenace have re-signed with the Swans and Cats respectively.
So our choice has narrowed down to Brennan (who could also still re-sign with the Lions) and Richards :-\.
what about ben rutton, heard he hasnt re-signed at the crows, is this true?
also i dont care that ben cousins has had all this drama. if there is no one good enough in the psd, i would rather take a risk on cousins than a dud like richards.
no one really knows why or what ben is goingthrough, but with continued support he may just come good. but lets be honest, he is a better player than judd, he is a monster , just the way he runs and gut runs sio hard, is an inspiration on the field. the off field stuff will be sorted out.
ben needs help and needs support , yes i know he has f up, but sh it m, he is only human and not the only one ever. ben has had to put up with so much pressure from a very young age, none of us would ever know what he is going through or gone through.
but even though he is 29 or so, his body is mint and he could play to over 35, if harvey can do it, vben definately could.
he would be just a machine in our midfeild and i hope ben gets through this and ends his career as a gun at rfc
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BLAH BLAH BLAH
you got owned when i named a player.
Your full of it, you asked me for a name, I provided it. Now can you tell me why RICHMOND is incapable of getting a big name player.
You do realise how pathetic you come across with the "BLAH BLAH BLAH" don't you?
Anyway, back on topic.
No, you have not named one single big name player that has been attracted into the PSD by a team with the first pick. Nick Stevens was not lured into the PSD by Carlton.
So you have failed.
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Jude Bolton and Tenace have re-signed with the Swans and Cats respectively.
So our choice has narrowed down to Brennan (who could also still re-sign with the Lions) and Richards :-\.
what about ben rutton, heard he hasnt re-signed at the crows, is this true?
also i dont care that ben cousins has had all this drama. if there is no one good enough in the psd, i would rather take a risk on cousins than a dud like richards.
no one really knows why or what ben is goingthrough, but with continued support he may just come good. but lets be honest, he is a better player than judd, he is a monster , just the way he runs and gut runs sio hard, is an inspiration on the field. the off field stuff will be sorted out.
ben needs help and needs support , yes i know he has f up, but sh it m, he is only human and not the only one ever. ben has had to put up with so much pressure from a very young age, none of us would ever know what he is going through or gone through.
but even though he is 29 or so, his body is mint and he could play to over 35, if harvey can do it, vben definately could.
he would be just a machine in our midfeild and i hope ben gets through this and ends his career as a gun at rfc
would be nice but his deregistered by AFL
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BLAH BLAH BLAH
you got owned when i named a player.
Your full of it, you asked me for a name, I provided it. Now can you tell me why RICHMOND is incapable of getting a big name player.
You do realise how pathetic you come across with the "BLAH BLAH BLAH" don't you?
Anyway, back on topic.
No, you have not named one single big name player that has been attracted into the PSD by a team with the first pick. Nick Stevens was not lured into the PSD by Carlton.
So you have failed.
Jezza - you've presented a coherent and logical case.
Meanwhile, Ramps stamps his feet like a toddler and does a lot of SHOUTING.
I think the valid expression is "you can't get blood out of a stone". If no leading player wants to leave his club in the first place, and then want to come to Richmond via the PSD, there is not a lot that Miller can do.He must also act responsibly, and not try to attract someone by offering them twice what the market says they're worth in order to get them to move.
We all would love a great player in the PSD.However, many of us are realistic enough to know that it's unlikely to happen, and we're not going to put a disproportionate amount of blame on the shoulders of anyone if it doesn't happen.
To say that Jezza "got owned" is plainly ridiculous.
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I WAS ASKED FOR A NAME- I PROVIDED THE NAME!
NOW SOME OF YOU SAY - IT DOESNT COUNT!
BLAH BLAH BLAH!
CAN RICHMOND GET JUST 1 ... JUST 1 BIG NAME PLAYER!
IM NOT ASKING FOR THE RETURN OF CONSTANTINOPLE TO GREECE
ALL IM ASKING IS FOR OUR CLUB TO SIGN 1 RECOGNISED BIG NAME PLAYER!
THAT IS ALL!
DO RICHMOND SUPPORTERS NOT DESERVE TO HAVE HOPE?
DONT RICHMOND SUPPORTERS DESERVE BETTER?
OR DO RICHMOND SUPPORTERS HAVE TO ACCEPT WOODEN SPOON AFTER WOODEN SPOON?
Nope, not good enough and you know it. Stevens is completely irrelevant and is NOT IN ANY WAY validation of your argument. My five year old nephew puts his hands over his ears and yells blah blah blah whenever he doesn't want to hear when he's wrong, I'd hope you could be a bit more mature.
So again, you are yet to name one big-name player that has gone to the PSD after being attracted there by a club.
Michael Johnson - was he a big name player when he was drafted? NO.
Brent Maloney - see above. NO.
Craig Bolton - No, he was discarded by Brisbane, hardly Sydney attracting a big name player.
So again we are left with not one single big name player ever entering the PSD because of the actions of another club to get them there.
BLAH BLAH BLAH
you got owned when i named a player.
Your full of it, you asked me for a name, I provided it. Now can you tell me why RICHMOND is incapable of getting a big name player.
Ramps, you didnt name a big-name player who was enticed into the PSD.
Stevens was FORCED into the PSD because Port and Collingwood couldnt make a deal, not that Carlton convinced him to go there.
Now stop acting like a stuffing toddler.
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The other thing to take into account is that it's still important to maintain decent relationships with the other sides when it comes to trading. Collingwood weren't a chance for Judd because they have burned bridges with WCE in the past. We play nice with WCE over Morton and help them in the Judd trade and it'll mean any future trades will be easier to do. The idea of completely shafting other clubs at all costs is not realistic and only exists on message boards.
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The other thing to take into account is that it's still important to maintain decent relationships with the other sides when it comes to trading. Collingwood weren't a chance for Judd because they have burned bridges with WCE in the past. We play nice with WCE over Morton and help them in the Judd trade and it'll mean any future trades will be easier to do. The idea of completely shafting other clubs at all costs is not realistic and only exists on message boards.
Good point.
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Jude Bolton and Tenace have re-signed with the Swans and Cats respectively.
So our choice has narrowed down to Brennan (who could also still re-sign with the Lions) and Richards :-\.
what about ben rutton, heard he hasnt re-signed at the crows, is this true?
also i dont care that ben cousins has had all this drama. if there is no one good enough in the psd, i would rather take a risk on cousins than a dud like richards.
no one really knows why or what ben is goingthrough, but with continued support he may just come good. but lets be honest, he is a better player than judd, he is a monster , just the way he runs and gut runs sio hard, is an inspiration on the field. the off field stuff will be sorted out.
ben needs help and needs support , yes i know he has f up, but sh it m, he is only human and not the only one ever. ben has had to put up with so much pressure from a very young age, none of us would ever know what he is going through or gone through.
but even though he is 29 or so, his body is mint and he could play to over 35, if harvey can do it, vben definately could.
he would be just a machine in our midfeild and i hope ben gets through this and ends his career as a gun at rfc
would be nice but his deregistered by AFL
thought cuz was saceked by wce, not deregistered by teh afl
whats going on with rutton?
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Jude Bolton and Tenace have re-signed with the Swans and Cats respectively.
So our choice has narrowed down to Brennan (who could also still re-sign with the Lions) and Richards :-\.
what about ben rutton, heard he hasnt re-signed at the crows, is this true?
also i dont care that ben cousins has had all this drama. if there is no one good enough in the psd, i would rather take a risk on cousins than a dud like richards.
no one really knows why or what ben is goingthrough, but with continued support he may just come good. but lets be honest, he is a better player than judd, he is a monster , just the way he runs and gut runs sio hard, is an inspiration on the field. the off field stuff will be sorted out.
ben needs help and needs support , yes i know he has f up, but sh it m, he is only human and not the only one ever. ben has had to put up with so much pressure from a very young age, none of us would ever know what he is going through or gone through.
but even though he is 29 or so, his body is mint and he could play to over 35, if harvey can do it, vben definately could.
he would be just a machine in our midfeild and i hope ben gets through this and ends his career as a gun at rfc
would be nice but his deregistered by AFL
thought cuz was saceked by wce, not deregistered by teh afl
whats going on with rutton?
You're right X, at the moment he is only sacked but odds are he'll be deregistered.
Rutten still hasnt signed but Crows supporters reckon it's a formality.
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If we choose one of richards or whitnall then miller might as well pack his bags.
ive said many times before id rather take a punt on a rookie than choose one of these losers.
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in a overnight video linked meeting with france the afl deregistered cousins
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
all the apologists coming out you all got owned!
by the way Greece rammed it up the Turks this morning
Its simply a great day.
Greece is going to defend there European Crown
I wonder how many more years Richmond supporters will have to wait before we can say we are going to try and defend a premiership and go back to back.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
all the apologists coming out you all got owned!
by the way Greece rammed it up the Turks this morning
Its simply a great day.
Greece is going to defend there European Crown
I wonder how many more years Richmond supporters will have to wait before we can say we are going to try and defend a premiership and go back to back.
How about address the post and
I thought you were one of the better posters Ramp.
Let me give you a break down why YOU are the wrong one and probably why you'll keep carrying on like a school girl now you've dug a hole so large.
Blah! Blah! Blah!
Just 1 Big Name Gentlemen Just 1 and Ill shut up. Richmond supporters deserve better than the pooh they have to put up with and have put up with for 27 years.
Umm, we're the ones asking YOU for one name. Give us one big name that's ever been attracted into the PSD and we'll admit Richmond have failed in that area.
Nick Stevens from Port who ended up at Carlton!
See that "attracted" word. That means the player has chosen to enter, Stevens didnt, he actually said he didnt want to go to Carlton when he was talking to clubs.
Nick didnt choose, he chose a club a to go to but Collingwood and Port couldnt agree to a trade therefore he was FORCED into the PSD and FORCED to go to Carlton.
Discount that or STFU. You were wrong. :outtahere
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Ben Rutten is apparently overseas and hasn't re-signed with Adelaide yet.
Not likely to go into the PSD. Is thought by Adelaide supporters to be most likely player to be named captain and get a hefty new contract to go with it.
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I note people are now carrying on about words ... attracted etc. Its all bull. The bottom line is you are a club that can attract great players to your club or your not. Richmond supporters deserve better outcomes. End of story. And by the way we live in a democracy and everyone is entitled to there opinion. Thanks for your time gentlemen! ;D
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There is some talk about Brennan putting a price tag of 1.8 million dollars over four years on his head to get to Essendon.
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I note people are now carrying on about words ... attracted etc. Its all bull. The bottom line is you are a club that can attract great players to your club or your not. Richmond supporters deserve better outcomes. End of story. And by the way we live in a democracy and everyone is entitled to there opinion. Thanks for your time gentlemen! ;D
You continue to avoid the issue at all costs.
Fact: not one single big name player has been lured into the PSD by a club.
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No need for namecalling people ::)
Ben Cousins has been deregistered. He would need to re-apply to enter the draft which would require AFL approval.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22606862-29277,00.html
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There is some talk about Brennan putting a price tag of 1.8 million dollars over four years on his head to get to Essendon.
this better not be true cause thats a load of crap.
he aint even worth 1 mil let alone 1.8.
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If you're the best player that will be in the PSD, then it looks as though you're going to get a hugely over-inflated pay packet.
Let him go to the Bumbers for $1.8 million if it's true.
Jared Brennan is the like only girl in a small country town pub full of guys. She's f**kin ugly, but there are 10 guys dying for a root. They'll do whatever they can to get her in the sack.
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the three stooges are working in unison, if you guys are happy seeing our club at the bottom good luck to yas, but im not one of those, i want my club at the top, i want my club to be a big club again, i want my club to get big name players, if my club cant do that then my club has failed me and the rest of the supporters.
in the end everyone is entitled to their opinion. i was asked to name a player who went to a club via the psd. i did that. unfortunately the defenders of the indefensible cannot explain why RFC has finished wooden spooners 2 times in 4 years, and cant get a big name to the club.
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the three stooges are working in unison, if you guys are happy seeing our club at the bottom good luck to yas, but im not one of those, i want my club at the top, i want my club to be a big club again, i want my club to get big name players, if my club cant do that then my club has failed me and the rest of the supporters.
in the end everyone is entitled to their opinion. i was asked to name a player who went to a club via the psd. i did that. unfortunately the defenders of the indefensible cannot explain why RFC has finished wooden spooners 2 times in 4 years, and cant get a big name to the club.
Call us all the names you like, it doesn't change facts. You think we can just magically convince big name players to join the wooden spoon winning side. It just doesn't happen, as we have proven over and over.
You were asked to name a big name player that was attracted to the PSD by the side with the first pick in the PSD. You have failed to do so. You named Nick Stevens which is not a correct answer. It would be like us drafting Kepler Bradley in the PSD and claiming we lured him there.
You seem to think that just because we have realistic expectations about what is available for the pre-season draft, that we don't want success for our club. Nothing could be further from the truth.
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If you're the best player that will be in the PSD, then it looks as though you're going to get a hugely over-inflated pay packet.
Let him go to the Bumbers for $1.8 million if it's true.
Jared Brennan is the like only girl in a small country town pub full of guys. She's f**kin ugly, but there are 10 guys dying for a root. They'll do whatever they can to get her in the sack.
;D ROFL I don't think I would have quite phrased it like that but your simile is a valid one. Hopefully we are not that desperate. Perhaps we can use Pick 1 for the best young player who was overlooked in the draft once we've had a change to look at them. A bit like Matt White a couple of years ago.
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Seems Bomberblitz has caught out the media again with the $1.8m over 4 years Brennan story :lol.
http://www.bomberblitz.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=37584
Last time they pretended they had copied an article from the West Australian claiming Ricky Mott was making a comeback at the Bombers after a year out of the game. The Age ran the story as fact without checking :rollin :wallywink.
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I just want everyone to know I never said it was fact, there was just some talk. :D :D :D :wallywink ;)
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the three stooges are working in unison, if you guys are happy seeing our club at the bottom good luck to yas, but im not one of those, i want my club at the top, i want my club to be a big club again, i want my club to get big name players, if my club cant do that then my club has failed me and the rest of the supporters.
in the end everyone is entitled to their opinion. i was asked to name a player who went to a club via the psd. i did that. unfortunately the defenders of the indefensible cannot explain why RFC has finished wooden spooners 2 times in 4 years, and cant get a big name to the club.
Call us all the names you like, it doesn't change facts. You think we can just magically convince big name players to join the wooden spoon winning side. It just doesn't happen, as we have proven over and over.
You were asked to name a big name player that was attracted to the PSD by the side with the first pick in the PSD. You have failed to do so. You named Nick Stevens which is not a correct answer. It would be like us drafting Kepler Bradley in the PSD and claiming we lured him there.
You seem to think that just because we have realistic expectations about what is available for the pre-season draft, that we don't want success for our club. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Incorrect, I was asked to provide the name of 1 star player. I did that. Anyway, why are you using Jezza as a nicname do you barrack for Carlton or something!
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the three stooges are working in unison, if you guys are happy seeing our club at the bottom good luck to yas, but im not one of those, i want my club at the top, i want my club to be a big club again, i want my club to get big name players, if my club cant do that then my club has failed me and the rest of the supporters.
in the end everyone is entitled to their opinion. i was asked to name a player who went to a club via the psd. i did that. unfortunately the defenders of the indefensible cannot explain why RFC has finished wooden spooners 2 times in 4 years, and cant get a big name to the club.
Call us all the names you like, it doesn't change facts. You think we can just magically convince big name players to join the wooden spoon winning side. It just doesn't happen, as we have proven over and over.
You were asked to name a big name player that was attracted to the PSD by the side with the first pick in the PSD. You have failed to do so. You named Nick Stevens which is not a correct answer. It would be like us drafting Kepler Bradley in the PSD and claiming we lured him there.
You seem to think that just because we have realistic expectations about what is available for the pre-season draft, that we don't want success for our club. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Incorrect, I was asked to provide the name of 1 star player. I did that. Anyway, why are you using Jezza as a nicname do you barrack for Carlton or something!
even then is that all you can come up with?
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if we pick up a bradley or richards then the club has failed us. im dead serious about this.
we are going nowhere if thats what they end up doing.
miller is all talk and got us nowhere in the end but u know what i seriously think it wasnt his fault.
i just think clubs see us as a bit of a rabble and lets face it. 2 finals in 24 years.
who would come to us with open arms nowadays
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Darren Gaspar was picked up by us in the PSD. Does he count as a big name? ;)
even then is that all you can come up with?
:rollin
In all seriousness we don't have to use our PSD pick if all we'll be getting is another dud. If we want a ruckman then perhaps we scan the VFL, SANFL and WAFL for one as a mature rookie. A far cheaper option too.
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Daniel Kerr is warned by the Eagles each week to stay in check according to the Herald-Sun. Any Eagles' player who steps out of line will be delisted.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22611021%255E19742,00.html
Also Stuart Dew is thinking of making a comeback :o with either the Hawks or Port.
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Incorrect, I was asked to provide the name of 1 star player. I did that. Anyway, why are you using Jezza as a nicname do you barrack for Carlton or something!
You were asked to provide one big name player that was lured to the PSD by the club with the first pick. That is the only evidence that will validate your argument that we have failed in that area. You have not done that so far.
And my name is Jeremy. Join the dots genius.
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Keep digging that hole, ramps.At this rate you'll soon be in China.
Hey Ramps, could you please stop attributing things to people that they've never said, and clearly do not stand for?It's a sneaky tactic that you regularly use to avoid the issue at hand.
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look at you all! bloody hopeless
ramps has been a really valued and top poster on this site.
give him a fricken break. he had an opinion and he gave it. one this is 4 sure, he really wants whats best for the rfc, but all u stuck up know it all figjam posters who think your poo dont stink just have to keep digging and laying into ramps.
now at no stage has ramps asked me to defend him, and i know he can defend himself,but ffs, give him a break and just move on.
you all have a did at him and all think u are all above and beyond.
maybe its a wog thing, maybe i understand what ramps is on about but you guys that think u know it al just dont get it
just f off and let it go
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RAMPS is spot on
Miller has survived on this big reputation for years and has hardly given the RFC anything.
He is meant to be the man leading our charge at uncontracted and disgruntled players at this time of the year.
October is Millers time to perform and so far he hasnt done much.........AGAIN
Stick it up em Ramps :thumbsup
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RAMPS is spot on
Miller has survived on this big reputation for years and has hardly given the RFC anything.
He is meant to be the man leading our charge at uncontracted and disgruntled players at this time of the year.
October is Millers time to perform and so far he hasnt done much.........AGAIN
Stick it up em Ramps :thumbsup
bull u r spot on too
Stick it up em Ramps
and Miller, time to leave the building, ur legend is dead just like elvis. Miller =fostosser
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RAMPS is spot on
Miller has survived on this big reputation for years and has hardly given the RFC anything.
He is meant to be the man leading our charge at uncontracted and disgruntled players at this time of the year.
October is Millers time to perform and so far he hasnt done much.........AGAIN
Stick it up em Ramps :thumbsup
Miller has brought Brown, Johnson, Simmonds, Polak, Morton and McMahon in.
Also, further to the argument against Ramps, in 2004 we used our PSD pick 1 as leverage to trade extremely cheaply for Simmonds. So whilst you may complain we didn't get a star with PSD pick 1, we in fact got Simmonds and Knobel. Similarly this year, we were able get Morton on the cheap by way of having the first pick in the PSD. So whilst (as we have demonstrated ad nauseum) big name players just aren't available in the PSD, we have still been very successful in using the pre season draft to improve our list.
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Brown only came coz of Wallace
Johnson always wanted to come to Richmond, easy get.
Simmonds wasnt really a big name when we got him. Have to give Miller a tick for this one though.
Polak wasnt just Miller either, Freo wanted to offload him anyway coz of his off field trouble.
Morton, time will tell
McMahon only come coz of Terry also.
Good job Greg :clapping
By the way Simmonds was a trade not PSD, traded in the Fiona deal.
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If there is no big name left in this PSD and I hope the club really does have a big name player ready, then I ask why we coughed up pick 18 for McMahon and 35 for Morton. Why not just put Morton into the PSD and give the Bulldogs 35 for McMahon which is what he is worth IMHO? Why leave the club having to take a pick at 51 when it was probably unnecessary?
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Brown only came coz of Wallace
Not entirely true. Casey had a lot to do with getting him here. He was looking for help with his finances and planning for life after football and the Bulldogs were not interested in helping. Casey and Miller made a large presentation to him to attract him to the club showing him how the could help him with property investment. This of course is something Smorgan denied but I trust that guy about as far as I can throw him.
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Brown only came coz of Wallace
Johnson always wanted to come to Richmond, easy get.
Simmonds wasnt really a big name when we got him. Have to give Miller a tick for this one though.
Polak wasnt just Miller either, Freo wanted to offload him anyway coz of his off field trouble.
Morton, time will tell
McMahon only come coz of Terry also.
Good job Greg :clapping
By the way Simmonds was a trade not PSD, traded in the Fiona deal.
Okey dokey:
1. Wallace wasn't at the club when Brown was traded for. So any attempt to attribute that to Wallace and not Miller is fanciful.
2. Still had to get the job done.
3. Simmonds may not have been a big name, but at a time when ruckmen were in high demand, we did a very, very good deal to get him.
4. Whether or not Freo wanted to get rid of him, again Miller did an excellent job to get him for the deal we did for Polak.
Morton will be a good deal, the risk is a lot lower with Morton than it is using pick 35. And the benefit is it still leaves us with the PSD to use if we want.
The McMahon deal I agree is a worry. Simmonds and Morton we got very cheaply because they were out of contract and we used our PSD pick as leverage. Can't see why we had to give up so much to get an out of contract player, even a downgrade to their second round pick would have been a good option.
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Okey dokey:
The McMahon deal I agree is a worry.
about the only sensible thing youve said in here in the last 5 days ;D
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The McMahon deal I agree is a worry. Simmonds and Morton we got very cheaply because they were out of contract and we used our PSD pick as leverage. Can't see why we had to give up so much to get an out of contract player, even a downgrade to their second round pick would have been a good option.
I agree with that but for some reason the clubs with early PSD picks still believe (maybe wishful thinking) that a out of contract big name or two will fall through. I'm guessing we didn't want to commit to a player and then find someone better ends up being available and we gift them to Carlton.
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I agree with that but for some reason the clubs with early PSD picks still believe (maybe wishful thinking) that a out of contract big name or two will fall through. I'm guessing we didn't want to commit to a player and then find someone better ends up being available and we gift them to Carlton.
Yeah, I was thinking more from a trade point of view. I don't see why we didn't get McMahon a lot cheaper given he was out of contract. We got Morton for a steal, but for some reason still paid market price for McMahon. I can understand we wanted to trade so that we still had the PSD pick available, my issue is about why we had to use pick 19 to get him.
I would have thought something like a swap of second round picks, or even swapping 19 for their 3rd round pick would have been better than just a straight deal for 19. Then we would have had something like pick 38 instead of pick 51.
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about the only sensible thing youve said in here in the last 5 days ;D
Then I have the score at me 1, you 0 ;D
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about the only sensible thing youve said in here in the last 5 days ;D
Then I have the score at me 1, you 0 ;D
you get docked points because your not a wog. :D
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about the only sensible thing youve said in here in the last 5 days ;D
Then I have the score at me 1, you 0 ;D
you get docked points because your not a wog. :D
:lol
hey ramps, jezza is tasmanian, wanna dock more points lol
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now grima is n ot a big name , but if there is no one on offer, he is surely a better bet than richards. i was talking to some geelong folk today and they really rate this 20yr old, and cant believe he was delisted.
maybe we should pick him , yes he is a no name burt maybe can make his name at tigerland.
just a thought
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now grima is n ot a big name , but if there is no one on offer, he is surely a better bet than richards. i was talking to some geelong folk today and they really rate this 20yr old, and cant believe he was delisted.
maybe we should pick him , yes he is a no name burt maybe can make his name at tigerland.
just a thought
not much chop IMO, looks good in that strong VFL side, but not an AFL player IMHO
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Grima = Limbach.
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Rumour has it on the Brisbane BF board that Brennan will re-sign within 48 hours after receiving a new larger offer from the Lions.
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Rumour has it on the Brisbane BF board that Brennan will re-sign within 48 hours after receiving a new larger offer from the Lions.
that's not a surprise. It was all about getting the "larger" offer.
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Josh Fraser and Ben Rutten still havent signed.
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Rutten :pray
I hope GM is over in Adelaide at the moment, shouting Rutten a Rundle Mall shopping spree, and then having him sign an agreement to join us in the PSD. :pray
:pray
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Some realistic thought about this makes me think that maybe these two teams are going to announce Fraser and Rutten as captains when they sign their new deals.
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Some realistic thought about this makes me think that maybe these two teams are going to announce Fraser and Rutten as captains when they sign their new deals.
Probably crap but a BF rumour is saying we've put a big offer to Fraser. Like you wayne I don't think there'll be much on offer in the PSD and Brennan, Rutten and Fraser will all eventually re-sign.
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Hahn re-signs with Dogs, Brennan move looking likely
Stephen Rielly | October 23, 2007
Jared Brennan seems increasingly unlikely to make to the Lions.
It emerged that Brennan is making preparations to take his family back to Darwin.
The utility's manager, Peter Whitehead, said although his 23-year-old client was still to decide whether to remain with the Lions or bring his inconsistent career to Victoria, he would not be remaining in Queensland. According to Whitehead, the lease on the house Brennan and his family have been living in is due to expire and they are not prepared to commit to a new home in Brisbane.
Whitehead denied the departure was the first step in a relocation to Melbourne, where up to five clubs — Essendon chief among them — have an interest.
"They just don't want to make a quick decision for the sake of making a quick decision," Whitehead said. "He's got to move out, so he might as well go back to Darwin, sit it out and get away from it all if nothing materialises between now and the end of November."
The Lions increased their offer from two years to three, but it is believed that the annual salary remains as much as $80,000 a season below what the Bombers and others have indicated.
http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/hahn-resigns-with-dogs-brennan-move-looking-likely/2007/10/22/1192940985133.html
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Hahn re-signs with Dogs, Brennan move looking likely
Stephen Rielly | October 23, 2007
Jared Brennan seems increasingly unlikely to make to the Lions.
It emerged that Brennan is making preparations to take his family back to Darwin.
The utility's manager, Peter Whitehead, said although his 23-year-old client was still to decide whether to remain with the Lions or bring his inconsistent career to Victoria, he would not be remaining in Queensland. According to Whitehead, the lease on the house Brennan and his family have been living in is due to expire and they are not prepared to commit to a new home in Brisbane.
Whitehead denied the departure was the first step in a relocation to Melbourne, where up to five clubs — Essendon chief among them — have an interest.
"They just don't want to make a quick decision for the sake of making a quick decision," Whitehead said. "He's got to move out, so he might as well go back to Darwin, sit it out and get away from it all if nothing materialises between now and the end of November."
The Lions increased their offer from two years to three, but it is believed that the annual salary remains as much as $80,000 a season below what the Bombers and others have indicated.
http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/hahn-resigns-with-dogs-brennan-move-looking-likely/2007/10/22/1192940985133.html
???
He's moving back to Darwin, but is going to play in Melbourne??
Please don't get him GM :pray
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Hahn re-signs with Dogs, Brennan move looking likely
Stephen Rielly | October 23, 2007
Jared Brennan seems increasingly unlikely to make to the Lions.
It emerged that Brennan is making preparations to take his family back to Darwin.
The utility's manager, Peter Whitehead, said although his 23-year-old client was still to decide whether to remain with the Lions or bring his inconsistent career to Victoria, he would not be remaining in Queensland. According to Whitehead, the lease on the house Brennan and his family have been living in is due to expire and they are not prepared to commit to a new home in Brisbane.
Whitehead denied the departure was the first step in a relocation to Melbourne, where up to five clubs — Essendon chief among them — have an interest.
"They just don't want to make a quick decision for the sake of making a quick decision," Whitehead said. "He's got to move out, so he might as well go back to Darwin, sit it out and get away from it all if nothing materialises between now and the end of November."
The Lions increased their offer from two years to three, but it is believed that the annual salary remains as much as $80,000 a season below what the Bombers and others have indicated.
http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/hahn-resigns-with-dogs-brennan-move-looking-likely/2007/10/22/1192940985133.html
???
He's moving back to Darwin, but is going to play in Melbourne??
Please don't get him GM :pray
I read that as "moving back to Darwin while his future is decided rather than stay in Brisbane" not to stay in Darwin next year.
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Hahn re-signs with Dogs, Brennan move looking likely
Stephen Rielly | October 23, 2007
Jared Brennan seems increasingly unlikely to make to the Lions.
It emerged that Brennan is making preparations to take his family back to Darwin.
The utility's manager, Peter Whitehead, said although his 23-year-old client was still to decide whether to remain with the Lions or bring his inconsistent career to Victoria, he would not be remaining in Queensland. According to Whitehead, the lease on the house Brennan and his family have been living in is due to expire and they are not prepared to commit to a new home in Brisbane.
Whitehead denied the departure was the first step in a relocation to Melbourne, where up to five clubs — Essendon chief among them — have an interest.
"They just don't want to make a quick decision for the sake of making a quick decision," Whitehead said. "He's got to move out, so he might as well go back to Darwin, sit it out and get away from it all if nothing materialises between now and the end of November."
The Lions increased their offer from two years to three, but it is believed that the annual salary remains as much as $80,000 a season below what the Bombers and others have indicated.
http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/hahn-resigns-with-dogs-brennan-move-looking-likely/2007/10/22/1192940985133.html
???
He's moving back to Darwin, but is going to play in Melbourne??
Please don't get him GM :pray
I read that as "moving back to Darwin while his future is decided rather than stay in Brisbane" not to stay in Darwin next year.
I would rather we took a punt on Ben Cousins than on this inconsistent "utility". My Brisbane mate cannot wait to show Brennan the door!
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If Brennan wasn't seriously considering leaving the Lions then you'd think he'd keep some presence in Brisbane.
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from The Age
The Brisbane Lions, meanwhile, look certain to have reached an agreement with the disgruntled Jared Brennan. Brennan, who had shown interest in playing for Essendon, is expected to re-sign on a three-year deal.
Link. (http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/carlton-plunders-irish-teen-stocks/2007/10/23/1192941065450.html)
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brennan is just playing the "game"
we should chase cousins, he is the best onballer in the country and its guys like he and kerr that make judd look good. imagine how good lids and foley would be with cuz by their side
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Paul Roos was taken by Sydney at pick 1 in the 1995 PSD after leaving Fitzroy.
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brennan is just playing the "game"
we should chase cousins, he is the best onballer in the country and its guys like he and kerr that make judd look good. imagine how good lids and foley would be with cuz by their side
I'm with you X but does anyone know if there is even a remote possibility of Cousins actually hitting the PSD this year?? Is there a deadline to nominate?
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brennan is just playing the "game"
we should chase cousins, he is the best onballer in the country and its guys like he and kerr that make judd look good. imagine how good lids and foley would be with cuz by their side
I'm with you X but does anyone know if there is even a remote possibility of Cousins actually hitting the PSD this year?? Is there a deadline to nominate?
December 7 is the last deadline for delisted players. The PSD is on Dec 11.
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A Lions fan on BF is claiming Brennan re-signed at noon today with Brisbane.
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A Lions fan on BF is claiming Brennan re-signed at noon today with Brisbane.
Guy Richards here we come if we even use our PSD pick :-\.
We would have been better off letting McMahon slip through to the PSD :-\
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A Lions fan on BF is claiming Brennan re-signed at noon today with Brisbane.
Guy Richards here we come if we even use our PSD pick :-\.
We would have been better off letting McMahon slip through to the PSD :-\
if we have given away a top 20 pick for a bloke who we could have gotten for free then its a dead set joke. infact i would say its a disgrace. Richmond people deserve better!
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A Lions fan on BF is claiming Brennan re-signed at noon today with Brisbane.
Guy Richards here we come if we even use our PSD pick :-\.
We would have been better off letting McMahon slip through to the PSD :-\
if we have given away a top 20 pick for a bloke who we could have gotten for free then its a dead set joke. infact i would say its a disgrace. Richmond people deserve better!
or you could say we gave up pick 19 for someone like Richards :o.
Anyway let's wait and see what happens. There's still a month and a half to go before the PSD.
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Brennan re-signs for three years
Andrew Stafford, Brisbane | October 25, 2007
GIFTED utility Jared Brennan re-signed with the Brisbane Lions yesterday for three years, ending weeks of speculation he would enter the pre-season draft.
Brennan had been offered considerably more money to play with Essendon, which was also offering a three-year deal. But there was no guarantee he would have got there, with Richmond also expressing interest and, crucially, holding the first pick in the pre-season draft.
That may have been enough to sway Brennan back to the Lions, who cited lifestyle, family and friendship reasons as the main reasons for staying at the club where he began as a highly-rated draft pick in 2003.
Brennan, who has played 59 games during a five-year career, admitted that things with the Lions had "blown up" after the season. "I never felt like I wanted to leave Brisbane. Obviously when the season ended I was out of contract so I didn't know what I was doing," he said.
"If I wanted to play football just for the money, then I would have ended up in Melbourne I think, but I think obviously there was a lot more than money to weigh up.
"I'm very happy, very happy to stay in Brisbane and that everything's over and I can move on."
http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/brennan-stays-a-lion/2007/10/24/1192941152471.html
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22644720%255E19742,00.html
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from today's Australian
Matthews said salary-cap restrictions would prevent the club from taking part in the pre-season draft, with Collingwood also confirming its intention to skip the December draft meeting.
Richmond has the first pick in but Tigers football director Greg Miller agreed the absence of Brennan meant there were no "big names" left on the market.
"There is really nobody of any note," Miller said. "There is not really a standout."
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22643485-5012432,00.html
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lets get ben cousins to nominate for the psd
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"There is really nobody of any note," Miller said. "There is not really a standout."
Meaning we either pick up a dud or pass and pick up a 5th rookie when we could have kept a fairly decent pick in the draft and still got both Morton and McMahon :P.
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stuff me. Will we ever learn?
At least by leaving one of those two to the PSD we couldve got a half-decent PSD and kept a draft pick.
Now we get a spud worse than ackland, which was always on the cards :o and have given away a second rounder to bloke who wanted to leave an wouldve been an OK pick 1 PSD for a change.
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Guy Richards here we come if we even use our PSD pick :-\.
We would have been better off letting McMahon slip through to the PSD :-\
if we have given away a top 20 pick for a bloke who we could have gotten for free then its a dead set joke. infact i would say its a disgrace. Richmond people deserve better!
Don't forget people...Port Adelaide were also after McMahon so I doubt he would have made it to the PSD.
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Getting Morton at pick 35 or whatever and getting McMahon in the PSD would have been the way to go, but maybe we want a tall in the PSD, or a young player, who knows.
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Guy Richards here we come if we even use our PSD pick :-\.
We would have been better off letting McMahon slip through to the PSD :-\
if we have given away a top 20 pick for a bloke who we could have gotten for free then its a dead set joke. infact i would say its a disgrace. Richmond people deserve better!
Don't forget people...Port Adelaide were also after McMahon so I doubt he would have made it to the PSD.
Fair point Tiga, except that McMahon couldve been a rascal yes and refused to go, stamp his feet like Judd did and get to us anyway.
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farcical
again
:'(
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what about Hasleby ???
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what about Hasleby ???
he re-signed at freo the idiot!
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they cant get players to come to Tigerland its a huge problem we got a lovely wooden spoon & Carlton are getting all the glory
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Oh well. Time to move on. At the end of trade week we will have a full list and that will be what we have to work with for 12 months so best make the most of it.
Of course if anyone is getting some sort of enjoyment from wallowing in self pity please feel free to continue. Personally I've had enough of appearing pathetic but that's just me.
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from today's Australian
Matthews said salary-cap restrictions would prevent the club from taking part in the pre-season draft, with Collingwood also confirming its intention to skip the December draft meeting.
Richmond has the first pick in but Tigers football director Greg Miller agreed the absence of Brennan meant there were no "big names" left on the market.
"There is really nobody of any note," Miller said. "There is not really a standout."
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22643485-5012432,00.html
Is this a red herring on Millers part, from what i was told by someone high up within another club there are still some quality players that havent been signed to new contracts, even the reigning premiers.
I believe there will be another one or two delistments at tigerland before the cut off date, oh well have to sit tight and wait and see what unfolds.
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from today's Australian
Matthews said salary-cap restrictions would prevent the club from taking part in the pre-season draft, with Collingwood also confirming its intention to skip the December draft meeting.
Richmond has the first pick in but Tigers football director Greg Miller agreed the absence of Brennan meant there were no "big names" left on the market.
"There is really nobody of any note," Miller said. "There is not really a standout."
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22643485-5012432,00.html
Is this a red herring on Millers part, from what i was told by someone high up within another club there are still some quality players that havent been signed to new contracts, even the reigning premiers.
I believe there will be another one or two delistments at tigerland before the cut off date, oh well have to sit tight and wait and see what unfolds.
Publicly there's only that rumour of Embley still wanting out of his contract at the Eagles to go to Carlton plus Fraser and Rutten still out of contract. More likely though is all 3 will stay at their respective current club.
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from today's Australian
Matthews said salary-cap restrictions would prevent the club from taking part in the pre-season draft, with Collingwood also confirming its intention to skip the December draft meeting.
Richmond has the first pick in but Tigers football director Greg Miller agreed the absence of Brennan meant there were no "big names" left on the market.
"There is really nobody of any note," Miller said. "There is not really a standout."
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22643485-5012432,00.html
Is this a red herring on Millers part, from what i was told by someone high up within another club there are still some quality players that havent been signed to new contracts, even the reigning premiers.
I believe there will be another one or two delistments at tigerland before the cut off date, oh well have to sit tight and wait and see what unfolds.
Publicly there's only that rumour of Embley still wanting out of his contract at the Eagles to go to Carlton plus Fraser and Rutten still out of contract. More likely though is all 3 will stay at their respective current club.
yeh these guys were mentioned by my contact, he also alluded to several other name players but wouldnt divulge them to me for obvious reasons.
Something about his club having the pick after ours :-X, the thing i found strange is that this mob have easily enough room in their salary cap.
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from today's Australian
Matthews said salary-cap restrictions would prevent the club from taking part in the pre-season draft, with Collingwood also confirming its intention to skip the December draft meeting.
Richmond has the first pick in but Tigers football director Greg Miller agreed the absence of Brennan meant there were no "big names" left on the market.
"There is really nobody of any note," Miller said. "There is not really a standout."
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22643485-5012432,00.html
Is this a red herring on Millers part, from what i was told by someone high up within another club there are still some quality players that havent been signed to new contracts, even the reigning premiers.
I believe there will be another one or two delistments at tigerland before the cut off date, oh well have to sit tight and wait and see what unfolds.
Publicly there's only that rumour of Embley still wanting out of his contract at the Eagles to go to Carlton plus Fraser and Rutten still out of contract. More likely though is all 3 will stay at their respective current club.
yeh these guys were mentioned by my contact, he also alluded to several other name players but wouldnt divulge them to me for obvious reasons.
Something about his club having the pick after ours :-X, the thing i found strange is that this mob have easily enough room in their salary cap.
That'd be either West Coast or if a PSD pick Carlton. You would think any club would try to either convince a "name" player to stay or trade the player if he wants out rather than do nothing and let them just walk out into the PSD. It's for this reason I just doubt a "name" player will appear after trade week based on history despite the whispers. The PSD has been more than ordinary in recent years when it comes to recycled players. You're better off picking up a kid.
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we r a joke we really are.
miller hs done nothing form this club that anyone else couldnt have done. Its best he leaves.
no one wants to come to richmond and until guys like GM peees off that will never change.
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we r a joke we really are.
miller hs done nothing form this club that anyone else couldnt have done. Its best he leaves.
no one wants to come to richmond and until guys like GM peees off that will never change.
and what name player has a club like Collingwood been able to attract?
now considering with all their money and fantastic facilites not many, just because we have 1st pick in the PSD doesnt mean there will be players clamouring to join us, and and another point how many good players have ended up in the PD over the last few years not many...because trades are usually done in the trade period.
got to wonder sometime.
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no one wants to come to richmond and until guys like GM peees off that will never change.
Morton and McMahon wanted to come to Richmond.Fact.
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no one wants to come to richmond and until guys like GM peees off that will never change.
Morton and McMahon wanted to come to Richmond.Fact.
not to mention some other over the last few seasons, considering we have been basically crap for god knows how long now we havent done too bad.
i reckon some like sticking the boot in just for the sake of it.
whaddayareckon Gordon.
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i reckon some like sticking the boot in just for the sake of it.
whaddayareckon Gordon.
I reckon that there must be some sort of pay off for them, otherwise they wouldn't do it.
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Don't care what their reputations are or what others think, I'd rather take Watts or Bradley in the ND or PSD than a kid at pick 60-something in this shallow draft. Or even look at rookie list for Watts.
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agree FFV
and also about jordy and mitch
did jordy want the rfc, or terry? thats the question
and about mitch, did he want the rfc because he knew/knows we are getting his bro
i am pretty sure in the perth media , mitch said he wanted to come to richmond to play with his bro
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Don't care what their reputations are or what others think, I'd rather take Watts or Bradley in the ND or PSD than a kid at pick 60-something in this shallow draft. Or even look at rookie list for Watts.
It is slim pickings at pick 60 in the National draft but Bradley is rumoured to be homesick and wants to head back to WA while Watts struggled to comeback from a broken ankle which he had 5 operations on as well as OP.
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agree FFV
and also about jordy and mitch
did jordy want the rfc, or terry? thats the question
and about mitch, did he want the rfc because he knew/knows we are getting his bro
i am pretty sure in the perth media , mitch said he wanted to come to richmond to play with his bro
Jordy chose Richmond because of our off-field player welfare setup. Terry being here as well and his new contract would've been attractive for him too. He was critical of the doggies not helping and supporting him with personal/family issues this year and wanted a change.
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well if we have great off field welfare cuzzy might just fit in. :shh
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well if we have great off field welfare cuzzy might just fit in. :shh
what do you knwo roger
come on spit it out
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well if we have great off field welfare cuzzy might just fit in. :shh
what do you knwo roger
come on spit it out
nothing.
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well if we have great off field welfare cuzzy might just fit in. :shh
all the drugs are over here thats why there all comming this way
better to be closer to the dealers save on STD phone calls :lol
na just joking Rogerd3
look l be very rapt if a champion like Cousins came to the Tigers it could start something off for us in a big way
Cousins teaching Foley, Deledio, Tambling & others the work rate they have to lift too
would also spark other players like Tivendale Brown Newman Polo it can lift confidence up a peg
the confidence we are missing in closing out games when we are in it in the last quarters
this is what we are missing is a big game player
just look at Foley the way he burst out of the centre kicking them goals the whole team got behind it
Our ruck injuries really killed us out this year & thats a big lose
losing them close games we could have won l bet it be different next season
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from the Sunday Age
Miller said the Tigers were still considering all their options in regard to the No. 1 selection.
"We will be looking to get the best possible player in the pre-season draft," he said. "Maybe that will be a junior, someone who has been overlooked in the (national) draft."
Link. (http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/no-cousins-for-tigerland/2007/10/27/1192941400660.html)
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miller better be looking thats for sure because im my opinion he is on his last legs.
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Well it is fact that the Sarge wanted to leave Richmond, it will be interesting to see if he chances his luck in the PSD himself or sticks with the club. EDIT: Actually, I think he is contracted, so probably has to stick with us, and maybe this is why we didn't trade him, might have had to pay some of his wage?
It will also be interesting to see who we do get in the next couple of drafts, PSD and National. Bit sad that this is the time of year at least I know will be interesting for the RFC. :-\
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if Cousins has the all clear from the AFL ... he will take him ... and i think we should !!!
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Miller said the Tigers were still considering all their options in regard to the No. 1 selection.
"We will be looking to get the best possible player in the pre-season draft," he said. "Maybe that will be a junior, someone who has been overlooked in the (national) draft."
I'd prefer us doing this and giving another kid a chance than picking up some recycled dud who'll be gone after just one year. Preferably a young KPP. We should have done this last year both in the PSD and rookies instead of going with Kingsley and Tas. It made no sense whatsoever rookieing Tas when we had some many of his type already on our list.
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Miller said the Tigers were still considering all their options in regard to the No. 1 selection.
"We will be looking to get the best possible player in the pre-season draft," he said. "Maybe that will be a junior, someone who has been overlooked in the (national) draft."
I'd prefer us doing this and giving another kid a chance than picking up some recycled dud who'll be gone after just one year. Preferably a young KPP. We should have done this last year both in the PSD and rookies instead of going with Kingsley and Tas. It made no sense whatsoever rookieing Tas when we had some many of his type already on our list.
Weren't we talking to Collier last year about a PSD pick but decided on KK instead??
Now he's a top 15 pick. ::)
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Weren't we talking to Collier last year about a PSD pick but decided on KK instead??
Now he's a top 15 pick. ::)
Wasn't Collier overlooked in last year's draft?
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Weren't we talking to Collier last year about a PSD pick but decided on KK instead??
Now he's a top 15 pick. ::)
Wasn't Collier overlooked in last year's draft?
Correct, which is why were looking at him for the PSD.
Alot changes in a year. Although was dreadfully unlucky not get picked last year in the national draft.
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Weren't we talking to Collier last year about a PSD pick but decided on KK instead??
Now he's a top 15 pick. ::)
Wasn't Collier overlooked in last year's draft?
Correct, which is why were looking at him for the PSD.
Alot changes in a year. Although was dreadfully unlucky not get picked last year in the national draft.
Perhaps last year he was seen as being that in-between height. Being from Tassie he is also from 2nd division footy compared to a kid from Vic, SA or WA.
There has been similar players in the past who were rated highly by some pre-draft and missed out completely. Kirkby who ended up on the Hawks' rookie list (picked up after Thursty in 2004) was one. He was also delisted after just one year. Toovey who is now with the Pies was also looked the first time.
Does being overlooked last year give Collier the right to bypass the National draft this year and just nominate for the PSD?
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Weren't we talking to Collier last year about a PSD pick but decided on KK instead??
Now he's a top 15 pick. ::)
Wasn't Collier overlooked in last year's draft?
Correct, which is why were looking at him for the PSD.
Alot changes in a year. Although was dreadfully unlucky not get picked last year in the national draft.
Perhaps last year he was seen as being that in-between height. Being from Tassie he is also from 2nd division footy compared to a kid from Vic, SA or WA.
There has been similar players in the past who were rated highly by some pre-draft and missed out completely. Kirkby who ended up on the Hawks' rookie list (picked up after Thursty in 2004) was one. He was also delisted after just one year. Toovey who is now with the Pies was also looked the first time.
Does being overlooked last year give Collier the right to bypass the National draft this year and just nominate for the PSD?
Not sure MT. But Jordan Lewis was another that wasnt taken in his first year . . . :shh
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This from BF and the Sunday Mail
Richmond has thrown Crows discard Darren Pfeiffer a lifeline by giving him the chance to impress at pre-season training.
Snapped up by Adelaide with pick 17 in 2005, he will begin training with the Tigers at Punt Road next Monday.
Pfeiffer's manager, Liam Pickering, confirmed several clubs had shown interest in the 183cm half back/wingman, but said no promises had been made by Richmond.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9343609&postcount=1
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here will go again come train with us we pick you up
another Kingsley saga comming
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here will go again come train with us we pick you up
another Kingsley saga comming
No where near. This is an unproven kid at 20 who string good SANFL games together but has been unprofessional at the Crows.
KK was what, 28?, and was clearly spent with not much left in him.
Pfeiffer would've just turned 20 and has a potential career infront of him, rather than a KK who's career was behind him.
EDIT: Although I'd prefer to take him as a rookie, no doubt about that.
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Went high in 2005. People talk about his attitude, i reckon attitude can be sorted. From what I saw the concern is twofold, first- disposal and second lets say he needs to find abit of aggression on the field.
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hope Miller is not milking the delisted from other teams when there is talent in this draft
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(http://l.yimg.com/au.yimg.com/i/sp/afl/players/darren_pfeiffer_260511_l.jpg)
Guernsey Number: 19
Height: 183cm
Weight: 81kg
Recruited From: Norwood
Birth Day: 28 September 1987
Pfeiffer was Adelaide's first pick (17th overall) at the 2005 NAB AFL Draft. He was named All-Australian after the 2005 NAB Under-18 Championships where he had the fourth most kicks in division one. In his first season at AFL level, Pfeiffer could only manage five senior SANFL games and seven in the reserves, after missing the first half of the season with a back injury. In the seniors for Norwood he won his fair share of the ball averaging 19 disposals.
http://au.sports.yahoo.com/afl/clubs/adelaide/10/darren-pfeiffer/260511
Crows' Pfeiffer has cheekbone surgery
Posted Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:15pm AEST
Adelaide Crows youngster Darren Pfeiffer has had surgery on a fractured cheekbone, after he was hit outside an Adelaide hotel at the weekend.
The Crows allege that Pfeiffer was hit from behind after leaving a friend's birthday celebration.
Adelaide says its investigation suggests there was no provocation from Pfeiffer, and he is expected to miss at least four weeks.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/03/27/1883112.htm
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means his had 2 years at Adelaide they got nothing from him so his delisted because his not at AFL standard
Adelaide had a badly wounded side for the last 2 seasons so if he cant make it in a wounded side he wont make it anywhere unless he puts the workrate up
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another danny meyer it sounds like to me.
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yeah exactly we got too many of that type now thats why we win wooden spoons
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Seems like we are chasing first round draftees from any year. Polak last year. McMahon was a first rounder and Morton would've gone first round if he wasn't a F/S.
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instead of searching for these first rounders or recycled duds why dont they search the country, even ireland and find us our marty clarke etc etc.
before that ever happens i reckon ill be 50 years old.
think outside the sqaure miller and co and u may find someone special who can play the game who you collect for next to nothing
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We've now got 11 first rounders on our list with pick 2 still to come.
Browny (#10, 1996)
Petts (#9, 2000)
McMahon (#10, 2000)
Polak (#4, 2001)
Schulz (#12, 2002)
Lids (#1, 2004)
Tambo (#4, 2004)
Meyer (#12, 2004)
Patto (#16, 2004)
JON (#8, 2005)
Riewoldt (#13, 2006)
Richo, Joel and Morton are F/S who most likely would've been first rounders too.
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instead of searching for these first rounders or recycled duds why dont they search the country, even ireland and find us our marty clarke etc etc.
before that ever happens i reckon ill be 50 years old.
think outside the sqaure miller and co and u may find someone special who can play the game who you collect for next to nothing
:lol :rollin the teams backwards enough on the field dont encourage them anymore by getting the Irish over to helpout
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We've now got 11 first rounders on our list with pick 2 still to come.
Browny (#10, 1996)
Petts (#9, 2000)
McMahon (#10, 2000)
Polak (#4, 2001)
Schulz (#12, 2002)
Lids (#1, 2004)
Tambo (#4, 2004)
Meyer (#12, 2004)
Patto (#16, 2004)
JON (#8, 2005)
Riewoldt (#13, 2006)
Richo, Joel and Morton are F/S who most likely would've been first rounders too.
thought Pettifier was pick #8
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Nah, he was pick 9.
#8 was his number before he gave it to Tom Roach and changed to #15. Maybe you were thinking of that?
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Nah, he was pick 9.
#8 was his number before he gave it to Tom Roach and changed to #15. Maybe you were thinking of that?
yeah that is what l was thinking
l need a holiday hurry up 12 days
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It may have been nothing much between Embley and Kerr outside that Perth pub but perhaps the friction in the Eagles camp may see one leave the nest and pop up in the PSD :pray. Kerr is another West Coast player on his last chance over there.
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It may have been nothing much between Embley and Kerr outside that Perth pub but perhaps the friction in the Eagles camp may see one leave the nest and pop up in the PSD :pray. Kerr is another West Coast player on his last chance over there.
Embley looks like he's trying his hardest to get sacked... :whistle
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can someone confirm if embley is still contracted?
i hear all these rumours about the blues, etc etc but lets be serious he aint going nowhere especially if he is uncontracted.
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1 of these 2 are the core of the rot from the beginning trust me :thumbsup
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can someone confirm if embley is still contracted?
i hear all these rumours about the blues, etc etc but lets be serious he aint going nowhere especially if he is uncontracted.
Yeah Embley is contracted until 2009.
AKA, going no where.
1 of these 2 are the core of the rot from the beginning trust me :thumbsup
I think its obvious which one.
The other one seems to like the moral high ground of trying to protect his mates but he always just ends up fighting.
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1 of these 2 are the core of the rot from the beginning trust me :thumbsup
kerr is not much better in my book than cousins, if not worse.
his attitude with that smirk look on his face all the time. allegedly being busted chatting to that cop.
he is the cancer that bloke im sure
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Too many cooks spoil the broth. They had it all and in the end they will only have the flag of 2006 to show for it. One of the great underachievers of all time. They could have dominated footy for the next 10 years instead they will be rebuilding in 2 or 3.
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1 of these 2 are the core of the rot from the beginning trust me :thumbsup
Eagles fans must still be reeling in shock that Cousins and Judd are gone.
Would be hilarious if they sacked Kerr as well.
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1 of these 2 are the core of the rot from the beginning trust me :thumbsup
Eagles fans must still be reeling in shock that Cousins and Judd are gone.
Would be hilarious if they sacked Kerr as well.
Losing 3 champions in one go can turn into 27 and counting year droughts :whistle
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1 of these 2 are the core of the rot from the beginning trust me :thumbsup
Eagles fans must still be reeling in shock that Cousins and Judd are gone.
Would be hilarious if they sacked Kerr as well.
Losing 3 champions in one go can turn into 27 and counting year droughts :whistle
27 year droughts for West Coast would never happen in this type of competiton when since 2001 every state has had a premiership team. All that needs to happen now is Hawthorn win the flag next year and Tassie can lay a claim on being the home state of the AFL Premier. Then the Bulldogs and have NT lay a claim and there is your marketing bonanza for the AFL and ensuring the development of the sport in every state and territory in Australia leaving the heartland of the sport still struggling to find a winning formula and merely propping up the numbers.
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Ex-Eagle Ashley Sampi wants a change of scenery and is willing to play on a minimum wage ($56,000 + $2,400 per game). The Herald-Sun says we're looking.
Richmond, who has the first pick in the pre-season draft, and Carlton both indicated last night they would look at Sampi's situation.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22677081%255E20322,00.html
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If he's going cheap I'd look at him for sure. Has a good footy brain and is very agile. If he can sort himself out off the field then its all good.
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Ex-Eagle Ashley Sampi wants a change of scenery and is willing to play on a minimum wage ($56,000 + $2,400 per game). The Herald-Sun says we're looking.
Richmond, who has the first pick in the pre-season draft, and Carlton both indicated last night they would look at Sampi's situation.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22677081%255E20322,00.html
He might be able to teach a few of the 'lighter' chaps how to stack on the kg's :lol
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Pass on Sampi. Small specialist forward pockets are a dying breed and he's had fitness problems throughout his footy career.
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here we go again. NO NO AND NO
he is a hack and will develop into another derek kicket especially with all the food options we have down here in melbourne.
pick him and they r doomed even more
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Looking more and more like Guy Richards will be a Tiger :-\.
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Looking more and more like Guy Richards will be a Tiger :-\.
Slim very slim pickings indeed. :banghead
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Sampi is a very talented player.
Sure he has his downsides but if he takes minimum wage, i would take the chance with him.
If he got fit he could player higher up the ground than fwd pocket and be a very handy player.
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Sampi>>Richards
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Hmmm ... Go for the flakey but talented small FP with premiership experience whose position we don't particularly need. Or the not so talented but tall ruckman whose position need to fill desperately. Or perhaps make a play for the 30 year old champion drug addict who could give us 3 years of excellent service, or could in the worst case scenario lead our very young list astray starting the West Coast rot at the RFC.
What to do ... what to do ... all could easily end up a waste of space. One in particular has the potential to be extremely dangerous.
I vote a young untried KPP or ruckman who missed out on the draft but showed some potential. Hope we have a policy of inviting no one under 192 cm to come train with us after the draft.
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Hmmm ... Go for the flakey but talented small FP with premiership experience whose position we don't particularly need. Or the not so talented but tall ruckman whose position need to fill desperately. Or perhaps make a play for the 30 year old champion drug addict who could give us 3 years of excellent service, or could in the worst case scenario lead our very young list astray starting the West Coast rot at the RFC.
What to do ... what to do ... all could easily end up a waste of space. One in particular has the potential to be extremely dangerous.
I vote a young untried KPP or ruckman who missed out on the draft but showed some potential. Hope we have a policy of inviting no one under 192 cm to come train with us after the draft.
I'm with your thoughts RROFO. Rather us give a young KPP a chance than a injury-prone or unfit recycled player. Richards looked promising when he was younger but injuries have stuffed him up.
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i notice in todays age that the tigers have refused to list their expenditure like all other clubs.
now i wonder why that would be. maybe cause its the last on that list.
a joke really considering the cash we have available
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I vote a young untried KPP or ruckman who missed out on the draft but showed some potential. Hope we have a policy of inviting no one under 192 cm to come train with us after the draft.
That's my bet too RROFO.
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i notice in todays age that the tigers have refused to list their expenditure like all other clubs.
now i wonder why that would be. maybe cause its the last on that list.
a joke really considering the cash we have available
And what cash is that??? ???
We're lucky to have the amount of cash we do now.
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Lance Whitnall's hopes of reviving his stalled AFL career have taken another blow with Wallace all but confirming that the Tigers would not be interested in selecting the 28-year-old big man in December's pre-season draft.
The Tigers have joined the growing list of clubs who have shown little to no interest in Whitnall's services for 2008.
"Our fit is blokes who are 24 years or under, (it) is the main way that we've gone about it (recruiting) and that's what we've done with our trades up until this stage," Wallace asserted.
"Unless we saw someone who was an outstanding fit for the football club, we wouldn't be going down that path (of recruiting players older than 24)."
Full article at: http://sportal.com.au/default.aspx/afl-news-display/tigers-shore-up-financial-future-38191
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Guy Richards is going to try to get picked up in the National draft first so even he might not be around in the PSD.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/the-right-guy-for-a-new-club/2007/11/03/1193619206123.html
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Guy Richards is going to try to get picked up in the National draft first so even he might not be around in the PSD.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/the-right-guy-for-a-new-club/2007/11/03/1193619206123.html
dreamin :sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep
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We need a ruckman. What if there is no one left at our last pick, and we pick him. Surely the club would still pick a young ruck in the rookie draft to blood like they did Graham, although I thought Graham should have stayed one more year on the rookie list, but anyway.
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We need a ruckman. What if there is no one left at our last pick, and we pick him. Surely the club would still pick a young ruck in the rookie draft to blood like they did Graham, although I thought Graham should have stayed one more year on the rookie list, but anyway.
With 4 rookie picks you'd hope one of them will be a ruckman Mini. There's always the option of a mature rookie too who could be a ruckman. The rest of our rookie picks should be a combo of young KPPs and mids IMO.
If Richards has registered for the National draft then we mustn't be showing much interest in him. If we wanted him all he would've needed to do is wait till the PSD.
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Apparently (taking this from a Pie fan) on the back page (p.20) of the Sunday Age sports lift out it says:
"The Blues are expected to be largely inactive in the PSD unless Guy Richards is available at pick two. Richmond is almost certain to take the former Magpie beanpole as first pick."
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Sampi, discarded by the Eagles, has been given no guarantees of a berth on the Demons' list.
However if he sheds weight and can hold up to the rigours of a personalised program, Sampi is sure to spark interest from not only the Demons.
Richmond and Carlton will get a crack before Melbourne if the talented forward slips through to the pre-season draft.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22709286%255E20322,00.html
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Brennan said today us and the Bombers tempted him with big offers but he didn't think he could handle the fishbowl environment in Melbourne. Just goes to show the club chased hard but if they don't want to leave then there's not much else the club can do.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/Sport/Brennan-to-make-big-career-decision/2007/11/06/1194118008754.html
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Brennan said today us and the Bombers tempted him with big offers but he didn't think he could handle the fishbowl environment in Melbourne. Just goes to show the club chased hard but if they don't want to leave then there's not much else the club can do.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/Sport/Brennan-to-make-big-career-decision/2007/11/06/1194118008754.html
fishbowl environment ???
is he for real
how many teams in melbourne?
how many teams in brisbane?
why dosnt brenna just tell the truth rather than maybe such bs statements.
he should have said, i used the melbourne clubs to put pressure on brisbane to give me a better contract!
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he should have said, i used the melbourne clubs to put pressure on brisbane to give me a better contract!
Or my manager used the melbourne clubs to put pressure on brisbane to give me a better contract :whistle. It's what managers do to all clubs.
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Still plenty of time for him to re-sign (before Nov 27) but Josh Fraser has been back from his overseas holiday for over a week and still hasn't re-signed with the Pies.
http://www.voy.com/51976/101371320.html
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If he's going cheap I'd look at him for sure. Has a good footy brain and is very agile. If he can sort himself out off the field then its all good.
Still say that Ben Cousins has to be our choice if he is allowed to play by the AFL. Five years of an elite midfielder running around for us teaching the young kids would be well worth the risk. And would give us a fair dinkum strong and capable midfield.
Go get him Miller after Nov 19!
Incidentally, reading the comments of TW, GM and Steve Wright about Cousins during this whole episode, I truly believe that we are playing the waiting game and will make the big play once he is cleared to play. If you read all comments, not one of them has categorically said no to Cousins being at RFC and I think it would mark the start of the rebirth of our great Club. I believe that he will be allowed to play, particularly with the comments from the Drug rehab place in the States, and his apparent real desire to play again. The Supreme Court will be the next step if Fonzie and the gang reject his application.
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Sampi struggled with pace and fitness at Melbourne's training so that pretty much counts him out.
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Rumour in SA that Scott Welsh could be leaving the Crows to accept a 2-year deal with a Melbourne club. Mentioned on BF yesterday and then on 5AA and Ch 9 today.
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Any interest in giving Jason Cloke a second chance at AFL?
Link. (http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,9191,22727337%255E20322,00.html)
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Any interest in giving Jason Cloke a second chance at AFL?
Link. (http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,9191,22727337%255E20322,00.html)
Collingwood seriously stuffed his career. He would have been better off going into the national draft and not going father/son and ending up somewhere that wasn't just looking at Travis. I'm sure there are lists that if he were on them he would still be playing. How stupid were the Cloke family. "I want all my sons to play at the same club". DUMB! :lol
If he does get another chance it won't be with us. Not our type at all, but we have always honest in this regard unlike some other teams.
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Any interest in giving Jason Cloke a second chance at AFL?
Link. (http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,9191,22727337%255E20322,00.html)
No, absolutely not.
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Any interest in giving Jason Cloke a second chance at AFL?
Link. (http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,9191,22727337%255E20322,00.html)
Collingwood seriously stuffed his career. He would have been better off going into the national draft and not going father/son and ending up somewhere that wasn't just looking at Travis. I'm sure there are lists that if he were on them he would still be playing. How stupid were the Cloke family. "I want all my sons to play at the same club". DUMB! :lol
If he does get another chance it won't be with us. Not our type at all, but we have always honest in this regard unlike some other teams.
Yep as soon as they got their hands on Travis the older two brothers were given the flick. Damir has only got himself to blame.
Pass on Welsh too. Too old and the only good games he plays each year is usually against us :P.
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Scott Welsh deal stalemate
10 November 2007 Herald Sun
Andrew Capel
TROUBLED forward Scott Welsh is in dispute with Adelaide.
The club's leading goalkicker in 2007, Welsh has reached a "stalemate" on a new contract offer from the Crows and is exploring his options.
"Negotiations on a new contract for Scott have broken down," Crows football operations manager John Reid said.
"We want him to stay and have offered him a deal but at this stage he's not happy with that and we're at an impasse."
Reid said out-of-contract Welsh had been offered a new one-year deal, but wanted a second year if he achieved several incentives.
The Crows are refusing to budge, given the 28-year-old was at the centre of a police report by an 18-year-old woman outside a nightclub in September.
It is believed Welsh is sounding out Victorian clubs and could enter the pre-season draft.
Melbourne is believed to be interested in talking to him.
Herald-Sun link (http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22732896%255E19742,00.html)
Adelaide Advertiser link (http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,22732969-21543,00.html)
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28? Too old IMHO. Best footy will be just about behind him, all down hill from here. Don't care how good or bad he is, would be a wasted pick.
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give me a break. no cousins and no cloke please.
they are finished both of em.
i just hope cousins comes through from all of this its quite sad to be honest
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Caro mentioned on 3aw yesterday and in today's Age that West Coast should kick out all their "bad eggs" - Kerr and Fletcher - and start a new.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/afl-must-rid-eagles-nest-of-bad-eggs/2007/11/10/1194329570233.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
Would you pick up either of these "bag eggs" in the PSD if the Eagles actually did this?
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kerr definately, kerr is better than judd and guys like kerr and cuz made judd look good
judd will turn to crud at the blues
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Fletcher wouldn't be a loss for them as he's 28 going on 29. Every other club though would chase after Kerr provided he's clean.
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Josh Fraser has re-signed with the Pies for 3 years. It just hasn't been announced according to SEN.
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What a choice .... Guy Richards or Guy Richards :whistle
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Scott Welsh has quit the Crows and will enter the PSD.
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3rd club hey?
Kent Kingsley mk2?
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Hmmmmm 49 goals and 208 disposals for the season which isn't too bad. If he was 5 years younger I'd say go for it but he really is nearing the end of his career So Pass for me.
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ooh for crying out loud. BIG MASSIVE NO for me
kent kingsley's long lost brother
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Hmmmmm 49 goals and 208 disposals for the season which isn't too bad. If he was 5 years younger I'd say go for it but he really is nearing the end of his career So Pass for me.
Ditto. Turns 29/30 next year so pass. Let the Dogs or Dees have him.
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While Scott Welsh must get past Richmond, Carlton and Melbourne to join the Dogs, who have the fourth pick in next month's draft, the Tigers indicated yesterday that they would not stand in the way.
Richmond football director Greg Miller said it was "doubtful" Welsh would be offered a home at Punt Road.
"We think he's a good player," Miller said yesterday, "but it's one area where we are well placed. Brett Deledio played that small forward role well late last year and Nathan Brown is back, as well."
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/crow-for-whitten-oval/2007/11/13/1194766675882.html
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Guy Richards is training with us.
Richmond - Joe Gazzo (Coburg); Andrew Horne (Coburg); Cam Howat (Richmond rookie); Lachlan McKinnon (Essendon rookie); Darren Pfeiffer (Adelaide); Guy Richards (Collingwood); Jarrod Silvester (Coburg)
http://www.afl.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=208&newsId=53228
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Guy Richards is training with us.
Richmond - Joe Gazzo (Coburg); Andrew Horne (Coburg); Cam Howat (Richmond rookie); Lachlan McKinnon (Essendon rookie); Darren Pfeiffer (Adelaide); Guy Richards (Collingwood); Jarrod Silvester (Coburg)
http://www.afl.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=208&newsId=53228
That to me pretty much confirms we'll be picking up Richards. I thought Richards was promising when he was younger (he was ahead of Fraser in some Pies' fans view at the time) but injuries in the past couple of years have stuffed him up. We need another ruckman but the last thing we need is another Knobel who spends all of his time watching from the grandstand due to injury :-\.
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Since Benny Gale's retirement we have hardly had a ruckman in subsequent seasons who has not missed games due to suspension or injury. Hopefully if Richards does get drafted with us he can buck the trend and fulfill that promise he had early in his career.
Looks like the Dogs aren't learning from the McDougall errors of last year and will be pursuing Welsh. Another piece of chewing gum in the crack of the dam wall it seems.
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Since Benny Gale's retirement we have hardly had a ruckman in subsequent seasons who has not missed games due to suspension or injury. Hopefully if Richards does get drafted with us he can buck the trend and fulfill that promise he had early in his career.
That's true. Staff, Otto, Simmo, Knobel all missed big chunks of footy. The problem though is we didn't have reliable ruck back-ups. When Staff retired last year, we didn't find a replacement for him and paid for it when Simmo went down exposing Patto before he was ready.
I'm not going to hold my breath with Richards though :-\
Looks like the Dogs aren't learning from the McDougall errors of last year and will be pursuing Welsh. Another piece of chewing gum in the crack of the dam wall it seems.
Yeah not sure why they want another mid-sized forward.
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Richards pins his hopes on the Tigers
14/11/2007 12:56:12 PM
Paul Gough
Sportal
Former Collingwood ruckman Guy Richards has begun training with Richmond in the hope of being picked up by the Tigers in December's pre-season draft.
At just 24, Richards believes he has years of good football still in front of him and hopes the Tigers will be the club to give him a second chance.
Richards, who played 16 games this season including all three of Collingwood's finals matches, was the most notable addition to the AFL's 'permission to train' list on Wednesday.
The Tigers have the first pick in the pre-season draft on December 11 and desperately need a boost to their ruck stocks.
Full article at: http://sportal.com.au/default.aspx/afl-news-display/richards-pins-his-hopes-on-the-tigers-38803
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prefer cousins by a fair way too
pickup bellchambers or mcevoy for xtra ruck.
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Poor stopgap solution due to list mismanagement.
Bloody hell no.
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Guy Richards' profile
D.O.B. 21/3/83 (25 at the start of 2008 season)
Height: 201 cm
Weight: 98 kg
Recruited: Pick 37, 2000 National Draft from Coldstream/Eastern U18
Debut: R2 2004
Honours: Rising Star nominee 2004; Brownlow votes: 1 (2006)
Guy Richards Career
Year MT K H D Avg M Avg HO Avg T Avg FF FA G Avg B SC
2007 16 68 63 131 8.2 44 2.8 205 12.8 15 0.9 12 9 0 0.0 1 1
2006 9 30 33 63 7.0 29 3.2 101 11.2 12 1.3 5 6 0 0.0 1 1
2005 2 7 5 12 6.0 3 1.5 29 14.5 1 0.5 2 2 0 0.0 0 0
2004 12 72 38 110 9.2 51 4.3 156 13.0 24 2.0 10 6 3 0.3 2 20
Total 39 177 139 316 8.1 127 3.3 491 12.6 52 1.3 29 23 3 0.1 4 22
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=1354&SeasonID=ALL
2006 review:
A handy back-up ruckman, the injury prone Richards started the 2006 season in tandem with Fraser before the Magpie braintrust decided after 5 rounds that Fraser needed the challenge of going it alone. Richards then missed the next 6 matches with an achilles injury before making it back for the last 3 games.
2005 review:
After being the Magpies' best first-year player in 2004, the talented young ruckman suffered the season from hell. A knee injury followed by a hip problem conspired to wreck his 2005, although he did make it back for the last 2 games on minimal preparation.
2004 review:
The left footed ruckman was impressive in his first season, stringing together 12 games from his debut in round 2 before suffering a groin injury and missing the last 9 games. Averaged 9 possessions and 13 hitouts a game, enabling Fraser to play a more dangerous role in attack.
2003 review:
The left-footed 200cm ruckman has been earmarked for a senior role in what looms as a crucial 4th season at the club. Made encouraging progress in 2003, helping Williamstown to the VFL flag.
2002 review:
A 200cm ruck prospect who looked set to make his presence felt in 2002 after playing 3 games in the preseason cup. But as was the case in 2001, his season ended prematurely due to knee problems. Still raw, but the Pies will be patient with the mobile left-footer.
Source: AFL Record Season Preview Guide
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Tigers football director Greg Miller yesterday said it was "unlikely" they would chase Welsh given the similar forward options it already has.
Former Magpie ruckman Guy Richards is training with Richmond and is a far more likely target.
Richmond yesterday played down the fact Richards had joined in training, stressing it is far from a done deal that he would be taken at No. 1 in the pre-season draft.
"No, it's not a sign. We have six or seven players training with us," Miller said. "It doesn't mean any more than we are looking at him."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22760821%255E20322,00.html
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Given Richards isn't listed as having nominated for the National draft when he said he would, we're doing more than just looking at him Greg :wallywink.
Knees, hip, groin and achilles injuries - yep Richards will be a fitting replacement for Knobel :P.
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if we get richards, greg miller should be sacked asap.
rather pick up another kid if cousins is not available!
ffs, dont they ever learn
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if we pick up this richards i tell u what miller better start packing his bags.
what the f... is he doing down there. is he trying to ruin us for good or what.
richards is a hack. i can see it, u all can see it but miller the stuff.wit cannot see it.
a untried kid is 100 times better than that hack
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Anyone getting ready to increase their credit limit at the local Garden centre in readiness for a little organic postcard?? :whistle :lol
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:chuck
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Anyone getting ready to increase their credit limit at the local Garden centre in readiness for a little organic postcard?? :whistle :lol
;D
What would be worse than picking up Richards is if we get Richards and don't draft or rookie a young ruckman. We need build depth to get out of this Selley's recruiting policy.
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if we pick up this richards i tell u what miller better start packing his bags.
what the f... is he doing down there. is he trying to ruin us for good or what.
Miller ::) ::) .... please don't forget it is the coaching staff that makes the final choice especially when it comes to the PSD, they tell Miller, Jackson etc who they want or to be more precise what they want
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i hope we DON'T get him ... :pray ...
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if we pick up this richards i tell u what miller better start packing his bags.
what the f... is he doing down there. is he trying to ruin us for good or what.
Miller ::) ::) .... please don't forget it is the coaching staff that makes the final choice especially when it comes to the PSD, they tell Miller, Jackson etc who they want or to be more precise what they want
well in that case, if wallce picks richards, then he should be sacked on the spot
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Wallace won't be sacked even if we attain the Medical Bill of Richards pre existing ailments. As MT mentioned in an earlier post a straight swap for Knobel in terms of injuries. Why can't we just promote a kid from Coburg who might be something even if he has not been tried at this level rather than trying to plug holes in walls.
As for Miller packing his bags I don't think that will happen either even though some of the recruiting has left alot to be desired.
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here here.
miller a lot to be desired couldnt be more spot on.
whoever picks this richards up should just get the hell out of punt road. im getting tired of these stupid decisions. We will never learn.
not ever!!
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Having thought about this seriously ;)
If I had to chose between Guy Richards and Ben Cousins
I'd take Ben Cousins..... :gobdrop
I can't believe I just typed that :P :help
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Having thought about this seriously ;)
If I had to chose between Guy Richards and Ben Cousins
I'd take Ben Cousins..... :gobdrop
I can't believe I just typed that :P :help
its ok wp, just shows you are using ur head .
cousins is by far a better option and his body is in tip top shape, dont worry about that minor hammy, he could play longer than harvey
and im sure his head will be sorted out and put back on his shoulders
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Cousins doesn't seem to be in any hurry to get his head sorted out. He'd make Ty Zantuck look like an angel. Why waste a pick on him or Richards?
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Cousins doesn't seem to be in any hurry to get his head sorted out. He'd make Ty Zantuck look like an angel. Why waste a pick on him or Richards?
because cousins can play
unlike 95% of our list, and so what that cousins has issues, he is only human and im sure he is not alone in the afl, so why make him the only scapegoat
btw, he has never ever tested positive to anything and he would now come much cheaper than what he is worth.
i say take a punt on him
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cousins or richards. no brainer
cousins all the way. i have changed my tune somewhat, but i dont give a toss.
richards is a dud and a complete waste of a pick.
knobel, kingsley ive had enough of these duds coming to punt road. If we are to stop being a laughing stock of the league we have to stop picking these idiots up.
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stay well away from Cousins.
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Cousins doesn't seem to be in any hurry to get his head sorted out. He'd make Ty Zantuck look like an angel. Why waste a pick on him or Richards?
Julz all I was trying to get at was that if the choice was one of those 2 (and I had to take 1) I'd go with Cousins.
xXx is right Benny can play - Richards ...well I haven't seen a tape of him playing well...
All hypothetical really
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I can't understand all this rubbishing of Kingsley, Knobel etc.
They cost us nothing except minimum wages. Ok they took up a spot on the list. But who's spot? Silvester's??
It just looks bad, because Richmond has a youth policy.
On the Cousins vs Richards hypothetical: I would take Cousins, no doubt.
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Ryan Willits anyone?
Age: 20
Hgt: 198cm
Wgt: 100kgs
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=1684
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The club just needs to ask itself if Richards will play apart in a future premiership. If not lol then pick up another young tall. Using our PSD pick on another kid would be just like having the first two picks in the rookie draft.
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Just because a player has 30 or so games of AFL experience does not make him the most appropriate pick in a PSD. In the first place if
a) he was quality
b) his body was standing up to the rigours of AFL footy
the pies would not be releasing him anyway.
Our time would be much better spent investing in an untried tall who may make the grade rather than giving someone whose body is likely to break down and play very little or no excellent footy another chance. Smarten up Wallace and Miller.
Ben Cousins at least will give us an initial thrill and a million what ifs and if he does play regular footy something to talk about. Richards is more than likely going to fall into the Marsh Esler Schaefer category of Ruckman.
RFC please do not get Richards let him be another clubs problem.
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I can't understand all this rubbishing of Kingsley, Knobel etc.
They cost us nothing except minimum wages. Ok they took up a spot on the list. But who's spot? Silvester's??
It just looks bad, because Richmond has a youth policy.
On the Cousins vs Richards hypothetical: I would take Cousins, no doubt.
Actually if you look at the Knobel case in isolation it is interesting.
In his first year everyone said it was a good decision - the last 2 not great because of injury some pretty nasty ones at that. ANd let's not forget we have a couple of other blokes who haven't been on the park much in the last 2 years outside of Knobel ;)
Kingslery was only ever insurance in case Richo fell over so we didn't lose out on that one either I reckon
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Richards has been to several clubs now & always been released by those clubs
that itself is a statement about the player
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Guy Richards has only been at Collingwood. They took him at pick 37 in the 2000 ND. ;) He got a Rising Star nomination in 2004.
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Guy Richards has only been at Collingwood. They took him at pick 37 in the 2000 ND. ;) He got a Rising Star nomination in 2004.
That's how I understand it too. Sounds like if he can get his body right he could be more than handy. Can be a BIG if though.
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Guy Richards has only been at Collingwood. They took him at pick 37 in the 2000 ND. ;) He got a Rising Star nomination in 2004.
doh then who am l thinking of then is there another who played for Essendon then the swans or maybe l'm thinking of kieth Richards there fishyfingers
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Guy Richards has only been at Collingwood. They took him at pick 37 in the 2000 ND. ;) He got a Rising Star nomination in 2004.
doh then who am l thinking of then is there another who played for Essendon then the swans or maybe l'm thinking of kieth Richards there fishyfingers
That's Ted Richards :lol :wallywink
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Guy Richards has only been at Collingwood. They took him at pick 37 in the 2000 ND. ;) He got a Rising Star nomination in 2004.
That's how I understand it too. Sounds like if he can get his body right he could be more than handy. Can be a BIG if though.
Yep 3 years ago he would've been a handy pick up. Looked a promising ruckman in the making for the Pies. Problem is every year since he's copped long-term injuries that have stuffed up his body.
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...... maybe l'm thinking of kieth Richards there fishyfingers
;D
Keith fell out of a coconut tree a couple of years back. Maybe he thought it was his family tree and was looking for relatives.
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...... maybe l'm thinking of kieth Richards there fishyfingers
;D
Keith fell out of a coconut tree a couple of years back. Maybe he thought it was his family tree and was looking for relatives.
Or he was looking to smoke his relatives lol.
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Guy Richards has only been at Collingwood. They took him at pick 37 in the 2000 ND. ;) He got a Rising Star nomination in 2004.
That's how I understand it too. Sounds like if he can get his body right he could be more than handy. Can be a BIG if though.
Yep 3 years ago he would've been a handy pick up. Looked a promising ruckman in the making for the Pies. Problem is every year since he's copped long-term injuries that have stuffed up his body.
Yeah, you'd think if the injuries were just bad luck the Scum would be willing to be patient with him. The fact they let him go probably says volumes for his physical state and/or attitude. Danger Will Robinson, Danger!!!
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yeah l was thinking of the wrong Richards oh well
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Well he is the front runner now of being snapped up by us in the PSD. :banghead
Thank you AFL.
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Well he is the front runner now of being snapped up by us in the PSD. :banghead
Thank you AFL.
Yep the front runner is a one runner race :-\. There's always the option of just picking up a kid who missed the draft. With 70 picks in this year's National draft it would be roughly equivalent to our 4th pick anyway.
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Ex-Pie seeks reprieve
20 November 2007 Herald Sun
Rebecca Williams
DELISTED Collingwood ruckman Guy Richards is confident his best football lies ahead of him as he chases a second chance in the AFL.
Richards has been training with Richmond for the past week in the hope of securing a lifeline in the pre-season draft on December 11.
While Richards is aware there are no guarantees with the Tigers, who have the first selection in the pre-season draft, the 201cm ruckman said he still had plenty to offer.
"I'm 24 and I'm a ruckman, so I think I've got my best years ahead of me," Richards said yesterday.
"I reckon I could play for another six to eight years.
"I probably had my best season (this year). I'm injury-free. My body is sound.
"My body feels like it has matured and I'm ready to take on the next step. Hopefully I'll get a chance somewhere else to prove that I'm still good enough to play."
Richards, one of several players training with the Tigers, is far from a certainty to be offered a permanent home.
But Richards is still hoping to impress at Punt Rd.
"I'll hopefully train there for a few more weeks and we'll see what happens," he said.
"They're just seeing how I go and I've just got to try and impress them and put my best foot forward."
Richards was told his services were no longer required at Collingwood after the Magpies secured young ruckman Cameron Wood from the Brisbane Lions during trade week.
Richards knew his number was up, but said he harboured no ill-feeling towards the Pies.
"They called me in during trade week and told me what was going on," he said.
"I was a bit let down at that stage, but you have to get on with life.
"But the club was good to me. I accept the decision and just move on."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22788811%255E20322,00.html
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how awesome would it be if he come good for us and played a blinder against the skunks :pray
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how awesome would it be if he come good for us and played a blinder against the skunks :pray
yeah about as awesome as watching paint dry.
i dont want him
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IMO Richards will be at Punt Road next year. He didn't nominate for the National draft which makes you think he's confident of being picked up in the PSD. The only thing that may change things is if Carlton choose Cotchin and Kreuzer slips to us.
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yeah and i think kevin bartlett has a better chance of coaching us again, then that ever happening
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yeah and i think kevin bartlett has a better chance of coaching us again, then that ever happening
Yep so we better start getting use to the idea of Richards in Y&B next year :-\.
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See the AFL site says Richards has nominated for Saturday's draft. Perhaps we are keeping our PSD options open :-\.
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See the AFL site says Richards has nominated for Saturday's draft. Perhaps we are keeping our PSD options open :-\.
Sounds like we really have not made up our minds to draft him and have given him no guarantees. As it should be. I still favour picking a young guy with promise, or dare I say it, X-Factor, who missed out on the draft. The PSD, when the are limited selection options, is a good place for X-Factor IMHO.
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Sounds like we really have not made up our minds to draft him and have given him no guarantees. As it should be. I still favour picking a young guy with promise, or dare I say it, X-Factor, who missed out on the draft. The PSD, when the are limited selection options, is a good place for X-Factor IMHO.
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I am just hoping that we take an undrafted Junior with our first pick in the PSD. We are going to run a session this Sunday for all those undrafted players, as well as a number of delisted players from other clubs. I would imagine we will pick our player from that group.
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See the AFL site says Richards has nominated for Saturday's draft. Perhaps we are keeping our PSD options open :-\.
We are not taking him by the sounds of it.
Good thing too.
I'd take Hartigan again ahead of Richards.
Heck I'd just about take anyone ahead of that dunce.
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See the AFL site says Richards has nominated for Saturday's draft. Perhaps we are keeping our PSD options open :-\.
We are not taking him by the sounds of it.
Good thing too.
I'd take Hartigan again ahead of Richards.
Heck I'd just about take anyone ahead of that dunce.
hartigan. are u trying to be funny.
id rather anyone than him. he is not even worthy of playing burg seconds that bloke
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hartigan. are u trying to be funny.
id rather anyone than him. he is not even worthy of playing burg seconds that bloke
Lol perhaps true but neither is Guy.
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Sounds like we really have not made up our minds to draft him and have given him no guarantees. As it should be. I still favour picking a young guy with promise, or dare I say it, X-Factor, who missed out on the draft. The PSD, when the are limited selection options, is a good place for X-Factor IMHO.
I am just hoping that we take an undrafted Junior with our first pick in the PSD. We are going to run a session this Sunday for all those undrafted players, as well as a number of delisted players from other clubs. I would imagine we will pick our player from that group.
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Let's hope so. I too would rather we take another kid or at least someone U21/22 from outside the AFL who may have been a late developer.
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PSD picks:
1. Richmond
2. Carlton
3. Melbourne
4. Bulldogs
5. Essendon
6. Fremantle
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So in the PSD do we go for the ready-made Richards assuming no one else on an AFL list falls out OR do we go for one of the kids who missed out on getting picked up in the draft yesterday?
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we have 4 guys who can ruck on our list now.
fast tracking patto last season was a bonus. we dont need 5 rucks, and remember we were damn good ay clearance work without many ruck stocks in 07
i say pick up another kid, a gourdis, bellchambers etc
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PSD picks:
1. Richmond
2. Carlton
3. Melbourne
4. Bulldogs
5. Essendon
6. Fremantle
WCE will get a pick at 7 after Ben Cousins is officially removed from the list
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After picking up Putt - I dont see a need (not that i did before either) Richards.
I'd rather draft another kid or hell even re-draft one of our delisted kids before Richards ;D
IS Jim Boogie still available :rollin
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After picking up Putt - I dont see a need (not that i did before either) Richards.
I'd rather draft another kid or hell even re-draft one of our delisted kids before Richards ;D
IS Jim Boogie still available :rollin
Jimmy and the aboriginal boy whom I manage B.B. Blah are in full training as we speak ;D
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I still have a feeling the Club will pick up Richards as "ready-made back-up" :-\ although I'd prefer us to go for a kid so including our first rookie pick we get two of the best kids who missed out on the draft.
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New talent may be Tiger target
Jake Niall | November 26, 2007 | The Age
RICHMOND is considering using its prized first selection in the pre-season draft on the best untried talent that was overlooked in Saturday's national draft rather than a seasoned performer.
The Tigers yesterday held a trial for 14 players who did not make the cut on Saturday draft, and yesterday confirmed that they might not pick a seasoned AFL player — either uncontracted or delisted — in next month's pre-season draft.
With the Tigers contemplating picking a kid with their first choice — with which clubs usually hope to land a proven uncontracted player — the pre-season draft could see the unprecedented situation in which the top three choices are all juniors.
Carlton and Melbourne, which have the second and third choices respectively, also are giving strong consideration to overlooking the thin pool of delisted and uncontracted players.
None of the first three in the pre-season draft are interested in Adelaide forward Scott Welsh, who is committed to join the Bulldogs on a two-year deal.
"It won't necessarily be a seasoned player and it won't necessarily be a junior," said Richmond football director Greg Miller. "We've got no preconceived thoughts at the moment."
Miller said, however, that the Tigers would be willing to look at uncontracted Brisbane Lion Ashley McGrath, who, Welsh aside, would be the best seasoned talent available at this stage.
McGrath has indicated he is interested in joining Fremantle and returning to his home state, but it might prove difficult for him to get past the five clubs ahead of the Dockers.
It is unlikely that he would walk out on Brisbane for a Melbourne club.
Miller said the Tigers would "make a significant improvement" to their list with the first choice not only in the pre-season draft, but also in the rookie draft — which has assumed greater importance for all clubs.
Miller said the club had already reduced the 15 from the trial to "five or six" who would be invited to train with the club before the pre-season and rookie drafts, which are both held on December 11.
Miller said former Fremantle player Clayton Collard, an unfulfilled talent who disappointed in his brief career as a Docker, had been invited to train at Punt Road. Former Collingwood ruckman Guy Richards is another who had been training with the Tigers.
Miller named some of the players whom the club was considering drafting in either the rookie or pre-season draft. They were Jeremy Laidler and Ashley Arrowsmith from the Calder Cannons, Daniel Gourdis (Perth) and Jared Patrenko (Woodville-West Torrens). Gourdis also is about to start training at Richmond.
PRE-SEASON DRAFT:
The pre-season draft order, at this stage, and possible selections:
1. Richmond: Open-minded about whether to pick the best untried or seasoned player.
2. Carlton: Similar to Richmond, might pick a kid or upgrade rookie Michael Jamison if there is no suitable player
3. Melbourne: As likely to pick a kid as ex-Eagle Ashley Sampi.
4. Western Bulldogs: Have committed to Adelaide forward Scott Welsh on a two-year deal.
5. Essendon: Has kept a pick open, but has not committed to anyone.
6. Fremantle: Interested in uncontracted Lion Ashley McGrath, if he does not re-sign.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/new-talent-may-be-tiger-target/2007/11/25/1195975870007.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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who will we pick in the Pre-Season Draft ???
i don't see the point in drafting Richards if we drafted Putt who is 200+ and is a ruckman ...
and i hope we don't draft Richards
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A lot of people are saying that now we have Putt, we don't need Richards.
Last time I checked Putt is only 17 or 18, and wouldn't be ready to take on the ruck as Patto did last season.
As much as I don't want Richards, if we had him, it frees up Polak to get settled in a position, we don't have to use Tuck in the ruck as well.
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Gourdis
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Go Gourdis :thumbsup
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Yep! Gourdis for me too. :thumbsup
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Gourdis.
Worth a punt, even if it's a tad risky as he fills a list requirement should he work out.
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Whoever impresses the most from those who missed out that we invite to training. I remember 2004, most wanted Kirkby but we took Thursfield. I want another Thursfield.
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As mentioned in the training thread one of the kids we have training with us is Trent Zomer from the Eastern Rangers.
Name: Trent Zomer
Local Club: South Croydon
Date of Birth: 09/06/1989
Height: 194cms
Weight: 98kgs
http://rangesfc.com.au/content.aspx?page=PlayerProfile&Player=258
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As mentioned in the training thread one of the kids we have training with us is Trent Zomer from the Eastern Rangers.
Name: Trent Zomer
Local Club: South Croydon
Date of Birth: 09/06/1989
Height: 194cms
Weight: 98kgs
http://rangesfc.com.au/content.aspx?page=PlayerProfile&Player=258
big kid
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The Club isn't giving away what we will do in PSD. Even today the answer was "we'll pick from one of those training with us".
David Fanning (204cm, 97kg, ex-Collingwood and now with Port Melbourne) is another "experienced" ruckman training with us along with Richards.
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Surely Cotchin will be allowed to develop in a Forward line role that McGrath currently fills at the Lions.
I'd like to see Cotchin's development handled like that of Luke Power at the Lions. Firstly a 40 a year goal kicker for a couple of seasons until he has the body strength to play regular midfield.
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As mentioned in the training thread one of the kids we have training with us is Trent Zomer from the Eastern Rangers.
Name: Trent Zomer
Local Club: South Croydon
Date of Birth: 09/06/1989
Height: 194cms
Weight: 98kgs
http://rangesfc.com.au/content.aspx?page=PlayerProfile&Player=258
From the AFL site:
BIO:
Tall who began the year as a key backman before finishing season playing up forward and in the ruck. Leading goalkicker for 2007 for the Eastern Ranges. Quick for his size, has an outstanding leap and spoiling ability.
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Surely Cotchin will be allowed to develop in a Forward line role that McGrath currently fills at the Lions.
I'd like to see Cotchin's development handled like that of Luke Power at the Lions. Firstly a 40 a year goal kicker for a couple of seasons until he has the body strength to play regular midfield.
Theyll probably do what they did with Deledio, working him from HBF through midfield and then up forward on a flank. Its important he gets a good education and learns different roles.
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Surely Cotchin will be allowed to develop in a Forward line role that McGrath currently fills at the Lions.
I'd like to see Cotchin's development handled like that of Luke Power at the Lions. Firstly a 40 a year goal kicker for a couple of seasons until he has the body strength to play regular midfield.
I like the idea DT, hopefully the Tigers adopt this train of thought
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Go Gourdis :thumbsup
Here, here. Get Gourdis Gregory.
GO TIGES!!!
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Gourdis.
GO TIGES!!!
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Here's a list of who is training with us from the Herald Sun.
Richmond: Daniel Boyle (Murray Bushrangers); Ian Callinan (Central Districts); Clayton Collard (East Fremantle); David Fanning (Port Melbourne); Joe Gazzo (Coburg); David Gourdis (Subiaco); Andrew Horne (Coburg); Cam Howat (Richmond rookie); Jarrod Silvester (Coburg); Will Sullivan (Western Jets); Chris Varsamakis (Eltham); Chris Waller (Beaumaris); Trent Zorner (Eastern Ranges)
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22829865-11088,00.html
I see Arrowsmith is training with the Bummers.
Al Neville with Melbourne.
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Callinan as our mature rookie ahead of Howat and Gourdis for PSD thanks. :cheers
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Daniel BOYLE 20/01/89 184 84 Wangaratta
Will SULLIVAN 24/08/89 202 95 Werribee
Trent ZOMER 09/06/89 194 94 South Croydon
Chris VARSAMAKIS 19/12/88 181 83 Eltham
Ian Callinan - onballer originally from the Tassie Devils. 24 years old. 178cm tall.
Central Districts B&F 2007, SANFL premiership 2007. J.J.Liston Trophy winner 2005.
http://www.cdfc.com.au/htmplayers/premiership/05IanCallinan.htm
Chris Waller - Beaumaris in B-Grade Ammos (same club as Clinton Casey's son)
http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Chris%20Waller&action=PSTATS&pID=187355031&client=1-3232-0-50127-5068411
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Here's a list of who is training with us from the Herald Sun.
Richmond: Daniel Boyle (Murray Bushrangers); Ian Callinan (Central Districts); Clayton Collard (East Fremantle); David Fanning (Port Melbourne); Joe Gazzo (Coburg); David Gourdis (Subiaco); Andrew Horne (Coburg); Cam Howat (Richmond rookie); Jarrod Silvester (Coburg); Will Sullivan (Western Jets); Chris Varsamakis (Eltham); Chris Waller (Beaumaris); Trent Zorner (Eastern Ranges)
Interesting Pfieffer is no longer training with us.
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Here's a list of who is training with us from the Herald Sun.
Richmond: Daniel Boyle (Murray Bushrangers); Ian Callinan (Central Districts); Clayton Collard (East Fremantle); David Fanning (Port Melbourne); Joe Gazzo (Coburg); David Gourdis (Subiaco); Andrew Horne (Coburg); Cam Howat (Richmond rookie); Jarrod Silvester (Coburg); Will Sullivan (Western Jets); Chris Varsamakis (Eltham); Chris Waller (Beaumaris); Trent Zorner (Eastern Ranges)
Interesting Pfieffer is no longer training with us.
Yes, if you trust the Herald Sun which I don't, damn journalists. Good spot though MT. Can anyone confirm?
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Here's a list of who is training with us from the Herald Sun.
Richmond: Daniel Boyle (Murray Bushrangers); Ian Callinan (Central Districts); Clayton Collard (East Fremantle); David Fanning (Port Melbourne); Joe Gazzo (Coburg); David Gourdis (Subiaco); Andrew Horne (Coburg); Cam Howat (Richmond rookie); Jarrod Silvester (Coburg); Will Sullivan (Western Jets); Chris Varsamakis (Eltham); Chris Waller (Beaumaris); Trent Zorner (Eastern Ranges)
Interesting Pfieffer is no longer training with us.
Yes, if you trust the Herald Sun which I don't, damn journalists. Good spot though MT. Can anyone confirm?
No Richards on that list either which may please a few here lol.
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Hmmmm. Just had a look on the AFL site
Richmond - Daniel Boyle (Murray Bushrangers); Ian Callinan (Central Districts); Clayton Collard (East Fremantle); David Fanning (Port Melbourne); Joe Gazzo (Coburg); David Gourdis (Subiaco); Andrew Horne (Coburg); Cam Howat (Richmond rookie); Jarrod Silvester (Coburg); Will Sullivan (Western Jets); Chris Varsamakis (Eltham); Chris Waller (Beaumaris); Trent Zorner (Eastern Ranges)
http://afl.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=53845
Richards and Pfieffer not there either. Interesting.
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New talent for goodness sake. So many good talented kids still yet to be picked up and we may be setting our sites on someone who won't get any better than what we have seen or is something we already have. Go the youth we may unearth a gem.
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Both Collard and Gourdis were at the Club80 function - they weren't interviewed
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So we are to assume they will be picked up in the PSD WP?
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So we are to assume they will be picked up in the PSD WP?
Nah I don't think so HT74 - I just took it to mean they are training at the club with a chance to be rookied and they got a free feed tonight :thumbsup ;D
Struth my typing skills are the pits :rollin
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Ok no worries. :thumbsup
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So we are to assume they will be picked up in the PSD WP?
Nah I don't think so HT74 - I just took it to mean they are training at the club with a chance to be rookied and they got a free feed tonight :thumbsup ;D
Sounds like they are a strong chance of being rookied.
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Dont know if we have this yet but here tis
Permission to train list as @ 27 Nov
Richmond - Daniel Boyle (Murray Bushrangers); Ian Callinan (Central Districts); Clayton Collard (East Fremantle); David Fanning (Port Melbourne); Joe Gazzo (Coburg); David Gourdis (Subiaco); Andrew Horne (Coburg); Cam Howat (Richmond rookie); Jarrod Silvester (Coburg); Will Sullivan (Western Jets); Chris Varsamakis (Eltham); Chris Waller (Beaumaris); Trent Zorner (Eastern Ranges)
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The Blues are copying us....
Carlton has turned its interest from the national draft to the December 11 pre-season draft. It will invite as many as five possible draftees to a 10-day training camp. It is also considering a play for uncontracted Lion Ashley McGrath.
http://heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22833651%255E19742,00.html
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gourdis still for me in the PSD
probably look at taking sullivan/bellchambers/collard with first rookie pick and hope pfeiffer slips to our next pick
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Some guy just rang SEN and reckons that Rutten hasn't signed yet, and he's going to the PSD.
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Some guy just rang SEN and reckons that Rutten hasn't signed yet, and he's going to the PSD.
Hmmmmmmmmm. :pray
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Some guy just rang SEN and reckons that Rutten hasn't signed yet, and he's going to the PSD.
Hmmmmmmmmm. :pray
Uncontracted listed player nominations for the PSD closed yesterday unless the Crows delisted him ???. Must be too good to be true :-\.
Uncontracted Listed Player Nominations Close
2pm Tuesday November 27
List Lodgement Three
2pm Friday November 30
Includes TPP Estimates
Delisted Player Nominations Close
2pm Friday December 7
NAB AFL Pre-Season Draft
10am Tuesday December 11
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Uncontracted listed player nominations for the PSD close yesterday unless the Crows delisted him ???. Must be too good to be true :-\.
I'd be gobsmacked if we got Rutten and would forgive Miller for everything.
Please be true!
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Uncontracted listed player nominations for the PSD close yesterday unless the Crows delisted him ???. Must be too good to be true :-\.
I'd be gobsmacked if we got Rutten and would forgive Miller for everything.
Please be true!
It was probably just some guy wanting to hear himself on radio, but :pray
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i'm pretty sure rutten is already signed up :'(
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Yeah, according to SEN today he has re-signed for 2 years :'(
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Yeah, according to SEN today he has re-signed for 2 years :'(
Bugger :-\
Oh well back to David Fanning lol.
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i didn't see Richards name in the "who is training where" ... so he isn't up for selection ???
YEAH !
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i didn't see Richards name in the "who is training where" ... so he isn't up for selection ???
YEAH !
Richards may still be picked up in PSD but by the sound of it not by us.
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Callinan thrown lifeline
Adelaide Advertiser | Andrew Capel | November 29, 2007 01:15am
CENTRAL District premiership rover Ian Callinan - one of the SANFL recruits of the year - has been thrown a mini-AFL lifeline by Richmond.
After being overlooked in Saturday's AFL national draft, Callinan has started training with the Tigers in the hope of being selected in the pre-season draft on December 11.
It also is possible he could be selected as a mature-age recruit.
Former VFL player Callinan, 24, starred in this year's grand final win against North Adelaide, just being pipped by Chris Gowans for the Jack Oatey Medal as best-afield.
He is one of 13 train-on players at Tigerland, including former Docker Clayton Collard.
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,22839210-21543,00.html
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Callinan thrown lifeline
Adelaide Advertiser | Andrew Capel | November 29, 2007 01:15am
CENTRAL District premiership rover Ian Callinan - one of the SANFL recruits of the year - has been thrown a mini-AFL lifeline by Richmond.
After being overlooked in Saturday's AFL national draft, Callinan has started training with the Tigers in the hope of being selected in the pre-season draft on December 11.
It also is possible he could be selected as a mature-age recruit.
Former VFL player Callinan, 24, starred in this year's grand final win against North Adelaide, just being pipped by Chris Gowans for the Jack Oatey Medal as best-afield.
He is one of 13 train-on players at Tigerland, including former Docker Clayton Collard.
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,22839210-21543,00.html
:clapping I would adopt him.
Callinan has been one of the most unlucky blokes in history not to be drafted.
Would be very pleased to see him on our list and finally on an AFL list.
A very silky, talented player.
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any more details on him TA
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any more details on him TA
Plays like Danny Meyer should. Not a big bloke which has ALWAYS gone against him and why he was never drafted. Tiny infact but the way he finds the ball and executes is first rate.
He has dominated 2 states leagues. B&F for Tassie, a Liston medal in the VFL and did bloody good for Central in SANFL this year before surprisingly only finishing 7th overall in their League B&F.
Im biased but geez I reckon he'd make a good go of it. Maybe the Jake King experience will get him over the line for a chance at the Tiges. :thumbsup However He is 23 now so the door is closing.
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Pick #62 - Kangaroos – Ian Callinan – Central Districts – Small Forward
Ian has done preseasons with AFL teams before, and did one last year with the Kangaroos. The moving on of Whyman leaves the door open for a mature goalsneak. He is clinical in his finishing and is very hard to stop once he starts to get on a bit of a roll.
http://www.aflcentral.com.au/afl-central-mock-draft-picks-41-75/
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cheers TA sounds good :thumbsup
after the success of kingy i'd be willing to give him a shot off the rookie list
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Wallace tight lipped on Pre-season Draft
1:13 PM Fri 30 November, 2007
By Jason Phelan
richmondfc.com.au
THE NAB AFL Pre-season Draft is less than two weeks away, but Richmond coach Terry Wallace continued to play his cards close to his chest on Friday and gave little away when asked about his intentions for the No.1 pick.
“We’ve got about 15 players down training with us at the moment that we’re keeping a close eye on to see where things go,” Wallace said.
The coach was speaking from Craigieburn on Friday where the Tigers announced plans to build a new pre-season training facility.
“We’ll pick up the best kid if we think the best kid’s right and if we think there’s a senior player that will add to our mix then we’ll certainly go down that pathway. Those decisions will be made in the next week or so,” he said.
The Tigers have an intriguing mix of players with AFL experience and talented youngsters in their train-on group.
It includes ex-Collingwood ruckman David Fanning, former Fremantle small forward Clayton Collard, Bulldogs’ SANFL premiership midfielder Ian Callinan and athletic Subiaco tall forward David Gourdis - who many consider unlucky not to be picked up in the recent NAB AFL Draft.
Wallace is more than happy to take the wait and see approach which he said allowed the club greater flexibility leading up to what he called a “great opportunity” to add further quality to his playing list.
“We’ve gone both ways in recent times and people sort of say ‘well we haven’t locked away anything’ … but sometimes you get what you get through the trade period and you get it because of the fact that you’re in a [good] negotiating position,” he said.
“I think it’s probably fair to say that Mitch Morton [traded by West Coast for pick 35] was probably nearly our pre-season pick, [but] he ended up coming to us because the West Coast Eagles handed him across, so they didn’t lose him for nothing.”
http://richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=53942
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This keeps Carlton guessing too.
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I think we are almost assured of picking up Gourdis in the PSD. We snatched up Putt unexpectedly which all but ruled Richards out of the equation. The think after the Kingsley hiccup last year the supporters would be demanding youth and with Gourdis available I think they will get what they wish.
The Rookie draft will be the interesting challenge. Hopefully someone like Collard, Pfieffer or the like is still available but I doubt it. With our recent success from the previously undervalued list, the rookie draft is fast becoming a draft almostly anticipated as the National Draft.
I think we will look back on this years draft period as one of our most successful :pray
Stripes
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I think we will look back on this years draft period as one of our most successful :pray
Stripes
I hope we'll look back on this draft as just one successful draft amongst many.
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Yesterday was the third and final list lodgement. No further changes by us but as expected Cousins has been finally delisted by the Eagles and Essendon has moved Lloyd outside their senior list as a veteran so they have now 2 PSD picks.
1. Richmond
2. Carlton
3. Melbourne
4. Bulldogs
5. Essendon
6. Fremantle
7. West Coast
8. Essendon
http://afl.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=53954
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The Bombers must want someone desperately to make a change so late to have a second PSD pick. Bellchambers joined their training just this week so it might be him and they also have Arrowsmith down there training who was expected to be drafted but missed out.
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Is it true that Richards is no longer training with us? :pray :pray
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The Bombers must want someone desperately to make a change so late to have a second PSD pick. Bellchambers joined their training just this week so it might be him and they also have Arrowsmith down there training who was expected to be drafted but missed out.
do you have to take the pick?
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Is it true that Richards is no longer training with us? :pray :pray
Yep TA. Apparently told he was too slow and not for us.
do you have to take the pick?
You may be able to still promote one of your rookies (I think the Eagles are thinking of still doing this) but basically the answer is yes. It's compulsory to have full senior lists now.
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mms://wm9.streaming.telstra.com/wh_afl1/OnDemand/Preseason08/davidgourdis.wmv
Found this link of Gourdis on PRE. Thanks to Nugget_12. I couldn't see it posted else where. Cut and paste into the address bar of your browser.
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Looks impressive
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Hello Tigers Alive. :lol
Im Tigersalive. :rollin
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mms://wm9.streaming.telstra.com/wh_afl1/OnDemand/Preseason08/davidgourdis.wmv
Found this link of Gourdis on PRE. Thanks to Nugget_12. I couldn't see it posted else where. Cut and paste into the address bar of your browser.
Happy to help out mate :thumbsup
i was going to post it on here aswell but ive been flat out today and havn't had achance to jump on the comp!
He looks very impressive! im a big fan and while im not sure what made every team over look him in the ND i think the way he plays football should outweigh anything else and we should give him a shot, especially with Rance over here he has a teammate from back west and should be more comfortable settling in.
Great Mark!, Great Speed!, and Great Size!.....the ysay there is Question marks over his kicking but he seems to have a solid action and a damaging left foot!
Definantly my No.1 vote for pick 1 of the PSD.
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what is the Pre-Season Draft order and the Rookie Selection order ?
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what is the Pre-Season Draft order and the Rookie Selection order ?
We have pick 1 in the PSD and picks 1, 17, 32, 44 in the rookie draft.
Pre-season Draft Order 2007
1. Richmond
2. Carlton
3. Melbourne
4. Western Bulldogs
5. Essendon
6. Fremantle
7. West Coast
8. Essendon
Rookie Draft Order 2007
Round 1
1. Richmond
2. Carlton
3. Melbourne
4. Western Bulldogs
5. Essendon
6. Fremantle
7. Brisbane
8. St Kilda
9. Adelaide
10. Sydney
11. Hawthorn
12. West Coast
13. Collingwood
14. Kangaroos
15. Port Adelaide
16. Geelong
Round 2
17. Richmond
18. Carlton
19. Melbourne
20. Western Bulldogs
21. Essendon
22. Fremantle
23. Brisbane
24. St Kilda
25. Adelaide
26. Sydney
27. Hawthorn
28. West Coast
29. Kangaroos
30. Port Adelaide
31. Geelong
Round 3
32. Richmond
33. Carlton
34. Melbourne
35. Western Bulldogs
36. Fremantle
37. Adelaide
38. Sydney
39. Hawthorn
40. West Coast
41. Kangaroos
42. Port Adelaide
43. Geelong
Round 4
44. Richmond
45. Melbourne
46. Fremantle
47. Adelaide
48. Sydney
49. Hawthorn
50. West Coast
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mms://wm9.streaming.telstra.com/wh_afl1/OnDemand/Preseason08/davidgourdis.wmv
Found this link of Gourdis on PRE. Thanks to Nugget_12. I couldn't see it posted else where. Cut and paste into the address bar of your browser.
Happy to help out mate :thumbsup
i was going to post it on here aswell but ive been flat out today and havn't had achance to jump on the comp!
He looks very impressive! im a big fan and while im not sure what made every team over look him in the ND i think the way he plays football should outweigh anything else and we should give him a shot, especially with Rance over here he has a teammate from back west and should be more comfortable settling in.
Great Mark!, Great Speed!, and Great Size!.....the ysay there is Question marks over his kicking but he seems to have a solid action and a damaging left foot!
Definantly my No.1 vote for pick 1 of the PSD.
;D Relieved I gave you credit for the link, that's why I like to quote my sources :thumbsup. I posted it because I had no idea who Gourdis was, I had heard the name but that was as far as my knowledge went. Your link satisfied my curiosity. Thanks.
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This mock Pre-Season Draft from Nick's Magpie forum looks pretty close to the mark.
1 Richmond – David Gourdis (Subiaco / 193cm / 88kg)
There is always a story from Draft Day that confounds the best of us. To my mind Gourdis was that player this year. In saying that he was under rated on this Forum which shocked me given he was ones of the best at the 20m sprint and vertical leap at draft camp. Many of my posters had him high as did I but plenty also had him lower. Terrific season in the Colts and a wonderful championships. Plays CHF and has a big engine which allows him to constantly lead up. People will say I am crazy but if you saw Reiwoldt as a junior he was not a lot different and certainly plays in a similar fashion.
Couldn’t see Tigers passing on him given their need for tall forwards.
2 Carlton – James Wundke (North Adelaide / 196cm / 87kg)
Big bodied KP player who mainly plays out of FF although played in the ruck at the Champs which I thought did him no favours. I liken him to Brian Harris and do see him being able to go back and play FB. For me its either FB or FF and Blues need more of his types. Chance to play next year given he has impressed at senior level this year in the SANFL. Good replacement for Fatso!
3 Melbourne – Ashley Sampi (West Coast Eagles)
Will they …wont they? Of course they bloody well will. Melbourne don’t have enough cash to bring a player over from the west without picking him. They will take him and so they should. Another top ten draft pick who just went off the rails for a bit. Highly skilled but lacking ticker and motor. Melbourne get these blokes up and maybe the Davey work ethic will rub off. Hope so, cannot wait for another small Melbourne fwd to smash my side on mothers day!
4 Western Bulldogs - Scott Welsh (Adelaide Crows)
Forgive me but am not sure I have heaps of time for this bloke and I wonder what the Dogs are doing with him. The Dogs are fantastic at brnging kids through and yet they go for troubled ‘stars’ like Akermanis and this bloke in search of a premiership that is a while away. I can see the logic, use Welsh there until Grant comes up – fair enough. He is certainly skilled and should go alright. Seems to go better in big games.
5 Essendon – Tom Bellchambers (Tasmania / 199cm / 91kg)
Tom Bellchambers must be wondering what he had to do to get drafted. Terrific performer this year and whilst lacks a little speed he is the 2nd best ruckmen this year. We don’t get to see him a lot on the mainland but I have seen him quite a few times now and he impresses me every time. He is getting better and better and is now at a point where he changes games. For those of you that saw him vs Qld he was inspirational. Along with Collier they single handedly turned that game with the under age Cornelius. At the Draft camp showed off all his attributes for the scouts and they will have him high. Tall, terrific palmer of the footy, good below his knees and good use of hands and feet he presents as a beautiful prospect. Does have the ability to go forward as he showed in the Allies game where he kicked 5 goals but is an area you would want to work on. Essendon have got him down at Bomberland so expect this selection.
6 Fremantle – Ryley Dunn
Originally had McGrath here but he has once again held his club to ransom in the hope of a better offer which didnt eventauate.....again! Ryley Dunn will get selected here and good for him. Showed something at back end of the year playing mid and HBF and should be persisted with. Broadhurst might also be in the mix for a spot.
7 West Coast Eagles - Aaron Joseph (Tasmania / 178cm / 75kg)
Just couldn’t quite believe a bloke who scored best at Draft Camp for agility and who made AA wouldn’t get selected.
Aaron Joseph is quite unheralded insomuch as he was an AA member by the end of the Champs. Saw a couple of his games and just thought he was a good consistent competitor. Will put his body on the line through a contest and whilst not your ideal height for a midfielder he is someone that sets up play with his hands particularly. Foot skills are very good and has work ethic and a motor that will keep him going more than the average bloke. I likened him a bit to Tom Hislop from last year. This kid knows how to play footy
8 Essendon - Ashley Arrowsmith (Calder Cannons / 188cm / 82kg)
Not likely to ever be a CHF but he is a genuine 3rd tall who covers the ground extremely well. Superb by feet and hands and is starting to win more of his own ball which has been one of the deficiencies in his game for mine. Seems to polarise opinion but there is no doubting he is proving he is a big game player and who will appreciate the space of Subi. Worsfold will need to be convinced the kid has a big enough heart muscle– that’s the only thing that’s a slight question mark. Big call….little bit of Hird about him and remember where the Dons picked up the great man.
http://www.magpies.net/nick/bb/viewtopic.php?t=40775
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This mock Pre-Season Draft from Nick's Magpie forum looks pretty close to the mark.
1 Richmond – David Gourdis (Subiaco / 193cm / 88kg)
There is always a story from Draft Day that confounds the best of us. To my mind Gourdis was that player this year. In saying that he was under rated on this Forum which shocked me given he was ones of the best at the 20m sprint and vertical leap at draft camp. Many of my posters had him high as did I but plenty also had him lower. Terrific season in the Colts and a wonderful championships. Plays CHF and has a big engine which allows him to constantly lead up. People will say I am crazy but if you saw Reiwoldt as a junior he was not a lot different and certainly plays in a similar fashion.
Couldn’t see Tigers passing on him given their need for tall forwards.
Let's hope if we pick Gourdis up his goalkicking is much better than Riewoldt's (Nick version).
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This mock Pre-Season Draft from Nick's Magpie forum looks pretty close to the mark.
1 Richmond – David Gourdis (Subiaco / 193cm / 88kg)
There is always a story from Draft Day that confounds the best of us. To my mind Gourdis was that player this year. In saying that he was under rated on this Forum which shocked me given he was ones of the best at the 20m sprint and vertical leap at draft camp. Many of my posters had him high as did I but plenty also had him lower. Terrific season in the Colts and a wonderful championships. Plays CHF and has a big engine which allows him to constantly lead up. People will say I am crazy but if you saw Reiwoldt as a junior he was not a lot different and certainly plays in a similar fashion.
Couldn’t see Tigers passing on him given their need for tall forwards.
Let's hope if we pick Gourdis up his goalkicking is much better than Riewoldt's (Nick version).
Dont bank on it.
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Almost thought it too good to be true when Ch 10 news just said "Embley out" but it was just Embley being voted out of the Eagles leadership group over off-field discretions.
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Almost thought it too good to be true when Ch 10 news just said "Embley out" but it was just Embley being voted out of the Eagles leadership group over off-field discretions.
same here lol
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Today is final cut-off date for PSD delisted player nominations.
2pm Friday December 7
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Some info on Gourdis from poster SouthernStand on Y&B:
Apparently we are very keen on Gourdis and he is being closely watched over the last 2 weeks at training and while he is staying at GM's house. I think we need to be satisfied that some skill issues can be overcome.
http://www.yellowandblack.com.au/forum/showpost.php?p=131882&postcount=309
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From the AFL site:
The following delisted players are still eligible for the 2007 NAB AFL Pre-Season Draft on December 11.
FORMER Adelaide forward Scott Welsh was the only additional delisted AFL player to nominate for the NAB AFL Pre-Season Draft by Friday's 2pm deadline.
Adelaide - John Hinge, Darren Pfeiffer.
Brisbane Lions - Marcus Allan, Patrick Garner.
Carlton - Craig Flint.
Collingwood - Guy Richards.
Essendon - Richard Cole.
Fremantle - Clayton Collard, Ryley Dunn, Calib Mourish, James Walker.
Geelong - Stephen Owen, Matthew Spencer.
Hawthorn - Matt Little, Josh Thurgood.
Kangaroos - Daniel McConnell, David Trotter, Callam Urch.
Melbourne - Ryan Ferguson, Simon Godfrey, Heath Neville.
Port Adelaide - Ryan Willits.
Richmond - Brent Hartigan, Andrew Krakouer, Carl Peterson.
St Kilda - Andrew McQualter, Phil Raymond, Justin Sweeney.
Sydney - Simon Phillips, Jonathan Simpkin, Luke Vogels.
West Coast - Daniel Chick, Ashley Sampi.
Western Bulldogs - Travis Baird, Damian McCormack, Tim Walsh.
http://www.afl.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=54120
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Now there's and exciting bunch of players to whet your appetite. :P
Can't wait for that one....
Looks like it will be young guys all the way although out of left field I do Rate Simon Phillips from the Swans. I remember he gave us a toweling in the trial match in Canberra last season. He is a little on the small side but he has a really strong ticker and quite a good leap but do we need another small forward??
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Collard is the only one from that list still training with us. So you'd think it's either him or a kid.
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Dons' draft double
08 December 2007 Herald Sun
Jon Ralph
ESSENDON will continue its list rejuvenation under new coach Matthew Knights with two picks in Tuesday's pre-season draft.
The AFL yesterday approved the participation of seven clubs in the draft after scrutinising next season's player payment figures for every side.
In keeping with the recent lack of interest in pre-season drafts, there will be eight selections at most.
While up to four clubs could punt on recycled players, Richmond, Carlton and Melbourne are expected to take young delistees, with the Western Bulldogs certain to pick Adelaide's Scott Welsh.
West Coast has a selection after it had to postpone its last national draft pick because it had retained Ben Cousins for legal reasons.
Melbourne remains tight-lipped on its plans for delisted West Coast Eagle Ashley Sampi, but it is understood he has been training frantically to lose weight and impress the Demons.
Carlton have given former first-round draft pick Ryley Dunn a tour around the club and rivals believe it will take him with its second selection.
Richmond has had five ruckman training at the club at various times - including ex-Magpies David Fanning and Guy Richards - but is more likely to pick up a tall on its rookie list.
Richmond football director Greg Miller said yesterday the club would make its decision early next week.
"We have had 15 or 16 players training with us, more than anyone else," he said. "Our policy is to expose them before the match committee, and we are really pleased with the standard."
http://heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22889041%255E19742,00.html
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So if that report is right, it's Collard in the PSD and at least one "tall" as a rookie but not a ruckman(?). Silvester, Gourdis and Zomer are the KPPs training with us so I guess it's one of those three at least.
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So if that report is right, it's Collard in the PSD and at least one "tall" as a rookie but not a ruckman(?). Silvester, Gourdis and Zomer are the KPPs training with us so I guess it's one of those three at least.
I think it means that we will go for a guy like Collard or Gourdis in the PSD, then to rookie one of the rucks rather than say taking a Fanning or Richards in the PSD.
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Tigers to try ruck or young gun
09 December 2007 Sunday Herald Sun
David Reed
RICHMOND'S football hierarchy will meet tomorrow to decide between taking a recycled ruckman or a youngster in Tuesday's pre-season draft.
The Tigers have the No. 1 pick in a thin draft, with Carlton next cab off the rank.
The Blues are also exploring the option of injecting more youth, although former Docker Ryley Dunn remains on the radar.
Whichever way those clubs go, it appears they will leave Melbourne and the Western Bulldogs with a clear run at the only biggish names in the draft - Ashley Sampi and Scott Welsh.
The Tigers have examined the prospects of three ruckman in the pre-season - former Magpies Guy Richards and David Fanning, and ex-Bomber Tristan Cartledge.
Richmond has also invited a bunch of youngsters to Punt Rd in preparation for Tuesday's draft and the rookie draft, which follows immediately afterwards.
They include Will Sullivan (Western Jets), Trent Zomer (Eastern Ranges), David Gourdis (Subiaco), Daniel Boyle (Murray Bushrangers), Ian Callinan (Central Districts), Clayton Collard (East Fremantle), Joe Gazzo (Coburg), Andrew Horne (Coburg), Cam Howat (Richmond rookie), Jarrod Silvester (Coburg), Chris Varsamakis (Eltham) and Chris Waller (Beaumaris).
Sullivan, Zomer and Gourdis are all tall prospects expected to be in the mix.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22891311%255E20322,00.html
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So if that report is right, it's Collard in the PSD and at least one "tall" as a rookie but not a ruckman(?). Silvester, Gourdis and Zomer are the KPPs training with us so I guess it's one of those three at least.
I think it means that we will go for a guy like Collard or Courdis in the PSD, then to rookie one of the rucks rather than say taking a Fanning or Richards in the PSD.
Let's hope so :pray
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D-Day tomorrow. Here's the Rookie draft rules from the AFL Draft Book:
Age Requirements
A player must satisfy the following age requirements in order to be included on a club’s Rookie List:
* Minimum Age
A player must have attained the age of 18 years or will attain the age of 18 years on or before December 31.
* Maximum Age#
A player must be under the age of 23 years on December 31. If a player attains the age of 23 years after this date, a club may retain him on its Rookie List until the end of the season. If a club includes an international player on its Rookie List, the player may be 24 years old for the final year of his Contract of Service.
# One position on each club’s rookie list may be used for a player over the age of 23 if he has not previously been on an AFL list.
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The AFL site says Richmond is understood to be considering Gourdis or Richards.
http://www.afl.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=208&newsId=54148
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I thought Richards was out of the picture now.
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I thought Richards was out of the picture now.
When interviewed on SEN last week Stephen Wright even suggested it would be 'highly unlikely' we'd select Richards after he'd been cut from the training squad. :nope
Lets pray for lazy uninformed journalism over a smokescreen by the club.
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Tigers torn over top draft pick
10/12/2007 3:59:24 PM
Paul Gough
Sportal
* Miller said we've looked at around 20 players but it's up to the match committee to decide. Still no definite position.
* If we want a ruckman we'll have to use out PSD on him as they are highly valued.
* The five ruckmen under consideration were Guy Richards, Lachlan McKinnon, Tristan Cartledge, David Fanning and Will Sullivan.
* But Miller also said we could just as easily decide to go with the best young player overlooked in last month's national draft - such as midfielder Ashley Arrowsmith or tall forward David Gourdis.
* Greg also says 5 of the 8 picks in the PSD will be used on kids so our first rookie pick is more like pick 6.
Full article at: http://sportal.com.au/default.aspx/afl-news-display/tigers-torn-over-top-draft-pick-40140
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Channel 10 say we are poised to take Gourdis in the PSD, hope so :pray
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I thought Richards was out of the picture now.
When interviewed on SEN last week Stephen Wright even suggested it would be 'highly unlikely' we'd select Richards after he'd been cut from the training squad. :nope
Lets pray for lazy uninformed journalism over a smokescreen by the club.
I heard Richards was told thanks but no thanks (too slow).
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Channel 10 say we are poised to take Gourdis in the PSD, hope so :pray
Appears so.
Miller alluded tonight on SEN that we're after another bigger bodied defender so perhaps that means Silvester.
He also said Howat would be re-rookied if no one else takes him :-\.
http://www.yellowandblack.com.au/forum/showpost.php?p=132468&postcount=674
As for ruckman, Richards (21/3/83) and Fanning (20/7/84) can't be rookied yet Cartledge (11/6/85), McKinnon (15/12/86) and Sullivan can be.
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SEN saying the Age says we are expected to take Dave Gourdis as a tall forward/ruckman. Not sure where they got the idea he was a ruckman at 193cm ???.
1. Richmond - Dave Gourdis
2. Carlton - Darren Pfeiffer or kid
3. Melbourne - kid (give up on Sampi)
4. Bulldogs - Scott Welsh
5. Essendon - Tom Bellchambers
6. Fremantle - local
7. West Coast - local
8. Essendon - recycled player or another kid
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Tigers keep 'em guessing
Herald-Sun | Daryl Timms | December 11, 2007
A PARADE of ruckmen has passed through Punt Rd in the lead-up to today's pre-season draft and Richmond is keeping rivals guessing as to who it will take with its first selection.
In recent weeks the Tigers have had a close look at Guy Richards (ex-Collingwood), David Fanning (Port Melbourne), Will Sullivan (Western Jets), Tristen Cartledge (ex-Essendon) and Lachlan McKinnon (Essendon rookie).
Richmond football director Greg Miller said the club had trialled about 20 players since the end of the season.
"It's not definite that we will use the first selection on a ruckman," Miller said.
"We are still working through that."
Clayton Collard, who was dumped by Fremantle after just one season, has also been training at Punt Rd.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22902491-11088,00.html
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Tigers to select young ruckman
Stephen Rielly and Jake Niall | December 11, 2007
RICHMOND is expected to use its prime selections in today's pre-season and rookie drafts to recycle a surprise ruckman and claim West Australian David Gourdis, an athletic tall forward.
With other clubs interested in Gourdis, the Tigers are compelled to take him with the No. 1 pick in the pre-season draft. While they are planning on selecting a ruckman, Gourdis, who was considered unlucky to be overlooked in last month's national draft, would be taken before they could snare him in the rookie draft.
If this is not a surprise — Gourdis' height and speed have made him attractive to several clubs — the choice of a ruckman could be. The Tigers have been linked to former Magpie ruckman Guy Richards but it appeared yesterday he could be by-passed in favour of former Essendon player Tristan Cartledge.
Whereas other contenders for the ruck vacancy at Punt Road — Richards and another former Collingwood follower, David Fanning — cannot be rookie listed because of their age, 22-year-old Cartledge qualifies.
After a four-game career at Windy Hill, Cartledge was cut at the end of 2006 and spent this year with North Ballarat in the VFL.
Rest of the article here: http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/tigers-eye-young-ruckman/2007/12/10/1197135375570.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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SEN saying the Age says we are expected to take Dave Gourdis as a tall forward/ruckman. Not sure where they got the idea he was a ruckman at 193cm ???.
1. Richmond - Dave Gourdis
2. Carlton - Darren Pfeiffer or kid
3. Melbourne - kid (give up on Sampi)
4. Bulldogs - Scott Welsh
5. Essendon - Tom Bellchambers
6. Fremantle - local
7. West Coast - local
8. Essendon - recycled player or another kid
Look for Melbourne to take Zomer. He was in the mix with there last National draft pick before they passed (after taking additional time).