One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on March 16, 2021, 03:43:04 PM
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Victorian clubs have been alerted to the go-home desire of top-end draft pick Fischer McAsey.
McAsey, the No.6 selection in the 2019 National Draft to the Adelaide Crows, is considered almost certain to request a trade back to his home state at seasons end.
The 196cm key position prospect from Caulfield Grammar hasn’t settled in South Australia and also has personal family reasons for exploring a move to a Melbourne-based club.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/03/15/victorian-clubs-already-circling-top-10-draftee/
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Has he shown any?
Tbh I don't watch Crows games.
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Swap for CCJ I know the Crows are keen on him.
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Blues ‘counter’ Freo’s $3m deal for young gun Adam Cerra
Ben Waterworth
Fox Sports
April 14th, 2021
Carlton has reportedly countered Fremantle’s “significant offer” to emerging midfielder Adam Cerra, who remains a high-priority signing for the WA club.
It was widely reported last month Freo had offered the out-of-contract Cerra, 21, a four-year deal to stay at the club until at least the end of 2025.
But Cerra, who’s averaging a career-high 23.5 disposals this season, said days later he was in “no rush” to make a call on his footy future, insisting he wanted to keep his football focus short-term rather than look too far ahead.
Speaking on SEN WA Drive on Tuesday, veteran footy journalist Kim Hagdorn reported the deal the Dockers had tabled was around $3 million, but added the Blues had also lodged their interest.
“I’m hearing that it’s a significant offer,” Hagdorn told SEN WA of Fremantle’s offer.
“Adam Cerra is a primary signing amongst about 20 Fremantle players, including David Mundy, out of contract at the end of this season.
“Adam Cerra has been offered something like about $3 million over four seasons with Fremantle, but it seems as though Carlton have countered that with an offer at close to $3 million – it’s not as good as Fremantle’s offer of $3 million bucks, so $750,000 a year over those four years. Carlton have Adam Cerra in their sights at about $2.7 million, $2.8 million for four years.
“Now, that might depend on if they can wriggle a bit more if Patrick Cripps doesn’t stay with Carlton, for instance – and that’s going to blossom throughout this season.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-adam-cerra-carlton-fremantle-contract-christian-petracca-collingwood/news-story/774053ffef25276861c4e31c9ed9322b
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Carlton try to get everyone...heard it was between us & Geelong for Cerra with Geelong favourites because they're prepared to offer up Clarke as part of the deal...but then again if Cripps wants to go home.....though you'd think he'd prefer West Coast to Freo if he wants to win a flag soon.... :shh
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https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/04/14/fremantle-ceo-responds-to-cerra-contract-speculation/
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Griffin Logue looked pretty good for Freo first up after a long lay off....a player I've always thought we should be looking at....not out of contract until the end of next year though... :shh
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Big Footy snout Tiger71 on the Tiger podcast: GWS red hot on CCJ...was implied we want Tom Green in return - said Hardwick loves him (also said we want to hold onto our draft picks)....:shh
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Big Footy snout Tiger71 on the Tiger podcast: GWS red hot on CCJ...was implied we want Tom Green in return - said Hardwick loves him (also said we want to hold onto our draft picks)....:shh
Sounds fine to me. Neither has really proven themselves yet and unless CCJ gets a game vs Dees it looks like we're prepared to go without a second ruck unless Soldo is available so why would we need CCJ?
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Thinking more about this we do need another quality inside mid but Green is still 2-3 years away from hitting his straps and will come to us eventually - the club is in his blood-..I'd rather get Taylor right now and I'd even chuck in a first with CCJ as well if that's what it took to get him... :shh
Also hoping against hope that our list managers are trying to work out a way we can afford Kelly without compromising the TPP and the list... :shh :shh
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Thinking more about this we do need another quality inside mid but Green is still 2-3 years away from hitting his straps and will come to us eventually - the club is in his blood-..I'd rather get Taylor right now and I'd even chuck in a first with CCJ as well if that's what it took to get him... :shh
Also hoping against hope that our list managers are trying to work out a way we can afford Kelly without compromising the TPP and the list... :shh :shh
You finally off the SSP bandwagon then? :shh :lol :rollin
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How the chances of Adam Cerra coming to Richmond
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Currently behind the chances of him going to Geelong or staying at Freo ....subject to change... :shh
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Got to love trade rumours like this.
A caller to SEN claimed his "second cousin" who is in the know has told him Cotchin will retire at the end of the season freeing up $800k in our salary cap and that that will be used to get Patrick Cripps to Tigerland in 2022.
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The way Cripps has looked these past couple of seasons I’d rather use that money elsewhere.
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Harry McKay is reportedly being aggressively targeted by rival clubs, according to Garry Lyon.
https://www.zerohanger.com/afl-trade-news-rival-clubs-coming-at-blues-star-in-a-big-big-way-2021-83516/
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Scumbaggers would let Cripps go before McKay... :shh
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Gary would know all about aggressively targeting someone now wouldn't he.
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Gary know would know all about aggressively targeting someone now wouldn't he.
I shouldn't laugh......
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Would rather McKay than Cripps but would take either.
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“Perth sources tell me it’s not actually the money or the tenure that’s going to keep him at Fremantle or make him leave.
“He loves the club, he loves his teammates, it’s purely whether he wants to live in Perth from a lifestyle and family perspective, or whether he wants to come home to Victoria and live in Melbourne.”
“Fremantle have offered Cerra a four-year deal, and I understand it’s worth somewhere between $700,000 and $750,000 a year,” Morris reported on AFL Tonight.
If Cerra did decide to leave, he would need to be traded, which would earn the Dockers “certainly a top 10 pick ... maybe even top five or six given he’s a ready-made player with four years in the system,” Morris said.
“But if he hasn’t signed on by Round 13 or 14, if I was Freo, I’d be slightly worried.
“It’s more of a lifestyle or footy decision, but his name will be at the top of everyone’s whiteboard - don’t believe for a second it’s just Carlton or just Essendon that’s chasing Cerra, a whole line of Victorian clubs will line up to get him if he’s still unsigned in eight weeks’ time.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-teams-with-salary-cap-space-hawthorn-essendon-north-melbourne-adelaide-adam-cerra/news-story/52ad6a719c4c6461485a95126c025c62
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Hearing we [Richmond] have renewed our interest in Charlie Constable given our midfield injuries this year.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/trade-free-agency-talk-pt-2.1250613/post-70048147
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Oh god no.... :facepalm
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Live trade chat with Tom Morris from Foxsports
Q. Do you think Richmond will take its picks to the draft or will they surprise a few and trade for a big name?
Tom Morris: They could easily top up and go again. Why not? Have a crack while you can.
Q. Will Darcy Moore be a option? Considering the age profile of Dylan Grimes and Astbury?
Tom Morris: Moore becomes a free agent at the end of 2022. I can't see the Pies allowing him to go before then, even if he wants to.
Q. Hi Tom any whispers about Richmond getting Tom Green from GWS
Tom Morris: Can't see GWS allowing that to happen
Q. Sources tell me the tigers are heavily into Tom Green and he has family connections there as his grandfather is a 4 x premiership player
Tom Morris: Just because a club likes a player it doesn't mean he will get there.
Tom Morris also reckons clubs will target Ross:
Q. Watching Fremantle it's pretty clear they need a big body in the midfield because they look rather small without one of Mundy or Fyfe in there. Anyone on their radar?
Tom Morris: They are looking for midfielders, that's true. I really like Jack Ross from Richmond and reckon clubs should target him.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-2021-trades-chat-with-tom-morris-live-chat-patrick-cripps-marcus-bontempelli-contracts-jack-riewoldt/news-story/fde4217df22b923fe0e8fbf16c8b52a1
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No idea why anybody would want Ross
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If we had picked I'd be interested in Nathan Freeman
Over his hammy issues
Playing great footy for Frankston at the moment
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Word is clubs are generally cool on Freeman...apparently getting high numbers but not doing much with it - not damaging enough. :shh
No idea why anybody would want Ross
Maybe they haven't forgotten his initial form before his injury, that he's an on-baller not a flanker and perhaps they intend to get him on the carbs and back into the weights room.... :shh :shh
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Word is clubs are generally cool on Freeman...apparently getting high numbers but not doing much with it - not damaging enough. :shh
No idea why anybody would want Ross
Maybe they haven't forgotten his initial form before his injury, that he's an on-baller not a flanker and perhaps they intend to get him on the carbs and back into the weights room.... :shh :shh
Like Matt Arnott playing forward haha.
I agree taking weight off him has been a huge failure, but then how do we know the footy injury hasn't ruined him either? I'd be keen to see him bulk up and go inside mid again but I wonder if he peaked early. His form in full games hasn't warranted ongoing selection.
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Word is clubs are generally cool on Freeman...apparently getting high numbers but not doing much with it - not damaging enough. :shh
No idea why anybody would want Ross
Maybe they haven't forgotten his initial form before his injury, that he's an on-baller not a flanker and perhaps they intend to get him on the carbs and back into the weights room.... :shh :shh
Dio, did you call up SEN on this Saturday just gone to talk about Ross?
A clearly well-versed Richmond fan called up to discuss this exact point and I thought it might have been you.
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Haha no...hardly ever listen to SEN these days... :shh
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Haha no...hardly ever listen to SEN these days... :shh
Fair enough.
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RICHMOND
Richmond doesn’t have a spot on their list, but may be able to open one up if ruckman Ivan Soldo is pushed onto the inactive list. The ruckman recently had more surgery on his knee, with his timeline still likely to be around the end of the year. Tyson Stengle is one player they could consider, with the small forward potentially returning to the Tigers.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2021-afl-midseason-draft-mid-season-rookie-draft-afl-contracts-afl-lists-afl-draft-2021-jacob-edwards-tyson-stengle/news-story/a1d966e9e4044f72c07e62f79b6fbf96?recommendedCount=0
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THE VICTORIAN POWERHOUSE CLUB "INTO" DOCKERS MIDFIELDER CERRA
By Laurence Rosen
SEN
27 May 2021
West Coast champion Peter Sumich believes Richmond has out-of-contract Fremantle midfielder Adam Cerra in their sights.
The 21-year-old is currently weighing up whether to accept a lucrative offer to stay at the Dockers or return home to Victoria at the end of the season.
Cerra has impressed in his short time at the club and is averaging 21 touches and five marks per game in 2021.
Sumich says he’s heard Richmond are targeting Cerra as a long-term replacement for skipper Trent Cotchin, while he said uncontracted forward Shai Bolton would re-sign with the Tigers and isn’t likely to be involved in any possible trade.
“I’m hearing Richmond is into Adam Cerra without any trade (for uncontracted Richmond forward Shai Bolton coming back the other way),” he said on SEN WA Drive.
“They’re going to try get him and not worry about (Shai) Bolton, I think he’ll stay at the Tigers. They’ve won a couple of premierships and still have more to come in the next three or four years in my opinion.
“I’m hearing that they’re targeting him as a replacement for Trent Cotchin down the track, they want to get him in now and then in two or three years’ time when his best footy is behind him, they’ll look to use Cerra a bit more through the midfield. That’s what I’m hearing.”
Sumich urged Fremantle not to ask for an excessive amount in a trade if Cerra does signal his intention to leave the club and head home.
He said the Dockers couldn’t afford to let their emotions dictate trade demands, instead saying they’d be better off negotiating a deal that benefited them in the longer term.
“If Richmond is targeting (Adam) Cerra and he’s out of contract, you have to be careful,” he said.
“At the end of the day they’ll ask for a lot, but Cerra can go into the pre-season draft if they can’t get the deal done.
“As much as Fremantle should probably earn a top 10 pick out of (a trade) and maybe a rotation of a second rounder, they wouldn’t want to go over the top so they might not get anything.
“They can’t get emotional; you don’t always want or take more because a player like Cerra may want to go and then try and screw over other clubs because you’re upset.
“You’ll get it back down the track, that’s how it works. Clubs see that you’re doing the right thing, your day will come where you’ll get a little bit back and someone else will miss out.
“You just have to be patient and work with clubs if a kid wants to go home.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/05/27/the-victorian-powerhouse-club-into-dockers-midfielder-cerra/
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:cheers
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Is Sumich working for us?
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A second round pick thus year and a future second round pick is fair.
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He got the moves does Cerra, he got the moves. Bah dah du
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A future midfield of Cerra, Green, RCD, Baker, Bolton and Dow with MRJ rotating through...
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/aTx5OMKR7FCGQ/giphy.webp?cid=ecf05e47zri4na8h2w8idkj5uqbyi4o4r3vq2c4s79x1wu6j&rid=giphy.webp&ct=g)
:shh
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Hope we're working on Tom Green too.
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A second round pick thus year and a future second round pick is fair.
Dreaming mate second round pick kid is quality people under selling him big time.
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They stole Conca (pick 6} for stuff all. We owe them one.
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Because Conca was so highly rated by everyone here
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Francis Jackson luv’d him
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Picked ahead of Fyffe
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DOCKERS WAITING ON CERRA
Fremantle has tabled an offer to out-of-contract midfielder Adam Cerra, with the club’s footy boss Peter Bell revealing the 21-year-old has had a deal in front of him “for a while”.
Cerra, a Victorian, has been linked with a return home with rival clubs offering significant money in a bid to snare the rising star.
Speaking on SEN, Bell provided an update on where contract negotiations sat with the emerging onballer.
“Adam and his management have had an offer in front of them and they’ve had it for a while,” Bell told Dwayne’s World.
“Adam is a really considered person, we’re respecting that. We see a really invested player at our footy club.
“He’s got a lot to work through, which he will do in his own time. We’re really comfortable with where it sits and it certainly hasn’t affected his performance.
“We’ll just continue those conversations and dialogue with Adam and his management.”
Asked if the club would like to secure the signature of Cerra before season’s end, Bell said it “would be the hope”, but they’ll be content to “work our way through it” if it isn’t done.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/department-of-trade/afl-news-2021-trade-whispers-latest-news-rumours-out-of-contract-players-free-agents-adam-cerra-sam-petrevskiseton/news-story/fc5bfca32bc93e17f56b0d08a5a56fba
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THose bastards wasted Fyfe. WASTED him
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Tom Browne on 7news just now said Adam Cerra is now leaning towards leaving Fremantle and Richmond is one of the clubs he could end up at.
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Tom Browne on 7news just now said Adam Cerra is now leaning towards leaving Fremantle and Richmond is one of the clubs he could end up at.
How are we going to afford him with key signings of Bolton and CCJ to address?
Would need to move on Houli, Astbury, Caddy at a minimum.
And trade picks. We are likely to have 2 picks around 15-20. One of those won't be enough.
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Tom Browne on 7news just now said Adam Cerra is now leaning towards leaving Fremantle and Richmond is one of the clubs he could end up at.
Here's the clip [go to 0.53 min mark]: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1402549761731821576
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Tom Browne on 7news just now said Adam Cerra is now leaning towards leaving Fremantle and Richmond is one of the clubs he could end up at.
How are we going to afford him with key signings of Bolton and CCJ to address?
Would need to move on Houli, Astbury, Caddy at a minimum.
And trade picks. We are likely to have 2 picks around 15-20. One of those won't be enough.
We still should have money over from Rance leaving? We still had Rance when Lynch joined us.
Houli should retire come seasons end which would also free up some more of the salary cap. Age is starting to catch up on Bachar. He's losing his feet at times and reaching for the footy which is the classic sign of 'old' age footy wise. Retire with everyone remembering him as the champion he's been for our Club before his body completely falls away. It would be sad to see him struggling for that one extra year and running around in the twos next year.
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We still should have money over from Rance leaving? We still had Rance when Lynch joined us.
But wasn't Lynch's contract backed ended? Or was it front ended? I thought first few years he was taking less with the bigger chunk being in the last 2 years? Stand corrected if I've got that wrong
The thing that concerns me is what we would have to give up and I'm not just talking draft picks. Freo may want a player. When you look at what the Club has built culture wise, the clear connection and the bonds that exist within the playing group just think the club needs to be careful not jeopardise that
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pretty sure Lynch is back ended WP.
I must be the only bloke on here that doesnt really rate Cerra all that well. That said i dont watch much of Freo, so whatever the club decides is good enough for me except in the case of Mitchell who i think would be a bad mistake.
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We still should have money over from Rance leaving? We still had Rance when Lynch joined us.
But wasn't Lynch's contract backed ended? Or was it front ended? I thought first few years he was taking less with the bigger chunk being in the last 2 years? Stand corrected if I've got that wrong
The thing that concerns me is what we would have to give up and I'm not just talking draft picks. Freo may want a player. When you look at what the Club has built culture wise, the clear connection and the bonds that exist within the playing group just think the club needs to be careful not jeopardise that
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/half-price-tiger-details-revealed-on-tom-lynch-s-backloaded-deal-20181005-p507w8.html
29 in October with 4 years to go.
1.5 mil in the last year
well worth it with 2 flags, one we wouldnt have without him, but its a big price in his final years.
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Quinton Narkle is going to look absolutely FABULOUS in yellow and black next year
https://twitter.com/toubelei/status/1402541624618405889
Everyone coming to Punt Rd :laugh:.
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Thought the Lynch contract was changed after Rance retired and we brought forward some of his back ended contract. If we didn't do that then it would be one of the rare list mangement errors the club has made in recent years
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Thought the Lynch contract was changed after Rance retired and we brought forward some of his back ended contract. If we didn't do that then it would be one of the rare list mangement errors the club has made in recent years
Yes this is correct. We used some of the Rance money (about $650,000+ saved) to adjust existing contracts. No doubt Lynch is one of them and I think Caddy was also. Can't remember who else.
Still think if we want to keep guys like Bolton, CCJ, Chol etc we need to move blokes on. Houli, Astbury should retire 100%. Caddy move on. Jack to go another year, Cotchin I'm not sure but I would think so, both on less money.
That should be enough to cover those 3 young guys.
Not a huge Cerra fan myself but he's decent. Would cost reasonable coin tho and plenty in a trade.
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Shame the veterans list isn't around anymore. Most likely introduced to stop hawthorns dominance so no chance they will bring it back now with the amount we have that would fit into that category.
Caddy no big loss who else is replaceable?
We need to make some other hard calls IMO.
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I'd like us to hit the draft hard but if giving up all our picks could help us land Green, Cerra & say, Sam Taylor - I'd do it in a heartbeat... :shh
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So apparently Jamarra Ugle-Hagan is already shopping himself around... :shh
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Were there is smoke there is normally fire so reckon the Cerra one is likely.
Be surprised if we go anywhere near Mitchell
If we can get Cerra and keep Bolton we've done very well.
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As much as I love Prestia in the yandb , his hammies are a major concern, what could be an upside here??
Is he tradeable??
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As much as I love Prestia in the yandb , his hammies are a major concern, what could be an upside here??
Is he tradeable??
Since he come over he has contributed to all our 3 flags going bananas here :banghead
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As much as I love Prestia in the yandb , his hammies are a major concern, what could be an upside here??
Is he tradeable??
Since he co e overflows he has contributed to you for real people going bananas here :banghead
ah...come again?...
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So apparently Jamarra Ugle-Hagan is already shopping himself around... :shh
That was Sam Edmund on SEN. Dogs have Naughton, Bruce plus future F/S Sam Darcy coming on board at this year's draft. Edmund wondered if Ugle-Hagan will get a game at the Dogs so could he be looking elsewhere?
https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=838691
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At least we know Cerra will play for the jumper and for the cash. Hes a Richmond man already. One of ours.
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Freo fans on their BF forum want either:
Bolton + pick for Cerra.
Two top 10 picks for Cerra.
CCJ + two first rounders for Cerra.
:lol
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Freo fans on their BF forum want either:
Bolton + pick for Cerra.
Two top 10 picks for Cerra.
CCJ + two first rounders for Cerra.
:lol
LOL. If Bolton goes and Cerra wants in then we would be the club getting a sweetener
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ANOTHER VIC CLUB INTERESTED IN CERRA
Senior foxfooty.com.au reporter Tom Morris last month revealed the Dockers had offered Cerra a four-year deal worth around $750,000 per season. Club football boss Peter Bell last week confirmed Cerra has had that deal in front of him “for a while”.
It’s understood Cerra’s decision is about location, rather than money, as there’s a big lure from loved ones to return to Victoria.
Essendon and, in particular, Carlton have been linked to Cerra in recent weeks.
But on Wednesday night, Browne reported another big Victorian club was keen on the midfielder.
“Adam Cerra is leaning towards leaving at the end of the year,” Browne wrote on Twitter.
“Richmond is one of a number of clubs interested in the Docker.”
It comes after Morris reported on foxfooty.com.au on Monday night that Hawthorn star Tom Mitchell was open to being traded to another Victorian club at the end of the season under the right circumstances and would be receptive to a move to Richmond.
Cerra has had an excellent 2021 campaign to date, averaging 24.23 disposals, 8.1 contested possessions and 5.0 inside 50s from the eight full games he’s played.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/fremantle-dockers/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-adam-cerra-richmond-carlton-fremantle-contract-luke-parker-sydney-swans/news-story/67b9a1b414f91b6c1a02676b4fbadf9f
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I'd want change coming back our way if Bolton is going there lol.
Like Cerra + their first rounder.
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They don’t have anything to offer that I’d take for Bolton.
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Bolton is the best u23 player in the competition
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Bolton is a must keep.
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As much as I love Prestia in the yandb , his hammies are a major concern, what could be an upside here??
Is he tradeable??
Since he come over he has contributed to all our 3 flags going bananas here :banghead
So you believe he is not tradeable, and we just keep him, nice to know. :shh
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As much as I love Prestia in the yandb , his hammies are a major concern, what could be an upside here??
Is he tradeable??
Since he come over he has contributed to all our 3 flags going bananas here :banghead
So you believe he is not tradeable, and we just keep him, nice to know. :shh
And I thought the trade talk on the Tom Lynch thread was bad :gobdrop who cares if he misses some games during the home and away season. He always makes it back for finals and dominates. One of our most important players.
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“There’s multiple clubs that have enquired about Ugle-Hagan’s willingness to entertain a trade in what it must be said has been a difficult debut season for him at Whitten Oval,” SEN reporter Sam Edmund said on Thursday.
“He has grown somewhat disillusioned with life at the Dogs this year.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/carlton-blues/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-harry-mckay-collingwood-essendon-jarrod-brander-west-coast-contract/news-story/51a34bd80869917688121a3d9982c017
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“There’s multiple clubs that have enquired about Ugle-Hagan’s willingness to entertain a trade in what it must be said has been a difficult debut season for him at Whitten Oval,” SEN reporter Sam Edmund said on Thursday.
“He has grown somewhat disillusioned with life at the Dogs this year.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/carlton-blues/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-harry-mckay-collingwood-essendon-jarrod-brander-west-coast-contract/news-story/51a34bd80869917688121a3d9982c017
What could he be disillusioned with at the Dogs?? They won't play him in the top side?? is all I can think of.
Warning bells going off if that is the case
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Maybe it is Mia's kiss of death first she dates Rioli who looses form and then dates the no 1 draft pick and he struggles.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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“There’s multiple clubs that have enquired about Ugle-Hagan’s willingness to entertain a trade in what it must be said has been a difficult debut season for him at Whitten Oval,” SEN reporter Sam Edmund said on Thursday.
“He has grown somewhat disillusioned with life at the Dogs this year.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/carlton-blues/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-harry-mckay-collingwood-essendon-jarrod-brander-west-coast-contract/news-story/51a34bd80869917688121a3d9982c017
What could he be disillusioned with at the Dogs?? They won't play him in the top side?? is all I can think of.
Warning bells going off if that is the case
Perhaps miffed that even Schache got a game ahead of him?
It's probably all just media speculation and in the end he stays at the Dogs but it is an uncommon situation for a first draft pick. Normally they go to a bottom club and get given senior games immediately. He's going to have to bide his time instead with the Dogs currently top 2 while his draft peers run around in the seniors at other clubs.
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I'd go after him if we lost CCJ....only problem is he'd know he wouldn't be a walk up start until Jack retires so probably wouldn't want to come -though I'd back our ability over most other clubs to change his attitude... :shh
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He's been there 6 months? Not even?
And I thought Higgins was soft for leaving rather than sticking it out fmd.
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Maybe it is Mia's kiss of death first she dates Rioli who looses form and then dates the no 1 draft pick and he struggles.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
:lol
No doubt the fevs have got in his ear.
I’m not up with all the social media but from what I gather playing in the twos isn’t great for the social status.
Dan found that out when he was dropped not only from the senior side but by the fevs altogether once it was obvious that he wasn’t going to be like Cyril. :shh
Unfortunately for Ugle-Hagan, the number 1 pick comes with great expectations & responsibilities, just how long are the fevs willing to wait for the social media status credits to start rolling in. :rollin
He might be forced to get that performance show on the road as the main attraction to appease the social influencer’s status credit machine. :rollin
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Maybe it is Mia's kiss of death first she dates Rioli who looses form and then dates the no 1 draft pick and he struggles.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
The Kardasian curse Melbourne style
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Sam Edmund believes gun GWS Giants midfielder Josh Kelly is “more likely” to leave the club at the end of 2021.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/06/12/in-demand-giants-midfielder-more-likely-to-leave-at-the-end-of-the-season/
Jack Billings becomes a restricted free agent at the end of the year and club great Nick Dal Santo believes he may be better suited at another club in 2022.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/06/12/why-st-kilda-and-jack-billings-may-be-best-served-parting-ways/
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BOMBERS HOLD TALKS FOR TIGERS PAIR
Essendon list boss Adrian Dodoro has held talks with player manager Ralph Carr about the futures of two of his clients in Tigers pair Shai Bolton and Mabior Chol, reports The Herald Sun’sMark Robinson.
Carr is believed to keeping the out-of-contract duo’s “options open” – who were both coached by Essendon coach Ben Rutten when he was an assistant at Richmond.
It is understood that Essendon has the cap space to acquire both players despite still needing to re-sign the likes of Zach Merrett, Darcy Parish and Jake Stringer.
Bolton – who is set for a bumper pay rise amid a career-best season – could command as up to $800,000 on the open market – a price Richmond can’t pay.
The young star has reached a “contract impasse” with the Tigers and put off talks until the end of the season, with West Coast and Fremantle monitoring Bolton’s situation in hope of luring the Western Australian home.
Meanwhile, both Chol and fellow Tigers tall Callum-Coleman Jones have previously been linked with moves to rival clubs in search of more opportunity elsewhere given the squeeze for ruck / forward spots at Richmond.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-shai-bolton-contract-mabior-chol-trade-contract-teams-interested-free-agents/news-story/8a209929fa4b05d2e1f85b84a25d1444
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If either of those two were seriously considering maybe they should ask Basha about the culture at Essendon
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As much as I love Prestia in the yandb , his hammies are a major concern, what could be an upside here??
Is he tradeable??
Since he come over he has contributed to all our 3 flags going bananas here :banghead
So you believe he is not tradeable, and we just keep him, nice to know. :shh
And I thought the trade talk on the Tom Lynch thread was bad :gobdrop who cares if he misses some games during the home and away season. He always makes it back for finals and dominates. One of our most important players.
Sheesh i agree with this.He is our best inside mid by some margin.
Personally im not fussed going after a big name. I reckon after this year it is time for a serious rebuild to start and would prefer we tie up our better younger players and find a way to get better picks in the draft.
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Don't need a rebuild just some renovations...window's wide open for another two years at least......:shh
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Kane Cornes is expecting rival clubs, like Essendon and Collingwood, to raid Richmond's list given the salary cap squeeze.
"There's got to be a club aggressively come for these guys."
Watch here: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1404420158039412738
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Karen is a little biatch again isn’t she
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Dons can have Houli back.
Plenty of space to free up with Houli and Astbury cooked. Cotchin very close. Caddy to move on.
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Adam Cerra (Fremantle)
Morris: “He’s in limbo. Victorian clubs expect him to come home. They’re not quite sure where, but I think Carlton’s very much in the mix here. Freo’s offer is $750,000 across four years.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/department-of-trade/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-adam-cerra-carlton-jack-billings-contract-free-agents-list/news-story/b58b3cc71f708f27139167e87e9754c6
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Mitch Clearly and Cal Twomey think Cerra could put off moving for now and sign with Freo for two years. Then in two years time he can see where Freo are at. In four years Cerra will be a free agent.
22 min mark: https://www.afl.com.au/news/632152/trade-edition-will-shai-stay-what-s-stopping-star-don-from-re-signing-
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In other words they have no idea.
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I wouldn't pay $750k for him that's a effing joke
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I see Merrett has signed at Bombers for 6 years at nearly 1m a year. He's a good player but nowhere near that I don't believe
Good luck to him, now set up for life.
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I see Merrett has signed at Bombers for 6 years at nearly 1m a year. He's a good player but nowhere near that I don't believe
Good luck to him, now set up for life.
It's the market now
Majority of Clubs will pay big bucks to hold onto to their best players. Or Clubs will pay even bigger bucks to lure them away :help
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According to BF podcast (from the snippets I listened to):
Houli to re-sign but knowing he will get less game time next year.
Freo looking at McIntosh. Also interested in Baker and Short but doubt we'll trade either of those two. If Cerra comes in it could be for Kmac + first round pick.
Heard Bombers going hard at Jack Ross (but needs to confirm).
Jack Bowes from Gold Coast wants to leave Gold Coast. One to keep an eye on.
Tom Green's name keeps popping up.
Ben Ainsworth (GC) - Morwell boy whose link is his family is mad Richmond.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWmEJIJ8ozI
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I see Merrett has signed at Bombers for 6 years at nearly 1m a year. He's a good player but nowhere near that I don't believe
Good luck to him, now set up for life.
Allegedly $5mil over 6 years so about $833,000/year.
Big bucks indeed.
Makes you wonder why Cerra would be worth anywhere near 750 when Merrett is in AA contention and Cerra is finally getting 20+ touches on average.
If we have a punt on this guy I'd be wanting him for way less or FO.
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According to BF podcast (from the snippets I listened to):
Houli to re-sign but knowing he will get less game time next year.
Freo looking at McIntosh. Also interested in Baker and Short. If Cerra comes in it could be for Kmac + first round pick.
Heard Bombers going hard at Jack Ross (but needs to confirm).
Jack Bowes from Gold Coast wants to leave Gold Coast. One to keep an eye on.
Tom Green's name keeps popping up.
Ben Ainsworth (GC) - Morwell boy whose link is his family is mad Richmond.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWmEJIJ8ozI
I hope they don't sign Houli again.
Happy to trade KMac but not Baker or Short personally.
Bombers can have Ross or we will probably delist him surely? He gone backwards and done nothing since his debut although he's clearly played out of position often.
Ainsworth no effing thanks. Bowes is a decent player but similar to Vlastuin, not sure this should be our priority.
Green should 100% be our target. Should have rookie listed his brother too. Otherwise priorities are surely keeping Bolton + CCJ.
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More from the BF podcast:
Richmond will be active in the draft. A rebuild on the run. A combo of looking to the future as well as filling needs now given we have injury prone mids. We want to bring in a mature mid (22-26 y.o.) on top of drafting Cotch's midfield replacement.
We don't have enough spots to use all 6 good picks on kids. Some players will have to go.
We will bring in 4-5 players over the off-season. 1-2 players from other clubs and then 3 via the draft.
We will try to trade one of our 2nd rounders for a future first rounder.
Noise on Narkle is real. Won't cost a lot. Friends with Dan Rioli. Want to play him in the midfield. Cost a 2nd or 3rd rounder.
Cerra is not a lock. 50/50 chance (later said 60% chance of leaving). Happy at Freo but has family here. If Cerra leaves Freo we are his No.1 option (80% confident it will be to us). Not Carl, Ess, North or Haw. Hardwick has met twice with him. 2-3 years work on this. Won't be $800k p.a.. It'll be less money but heavily back-loaded. We'll play Cerra as a winger. Not giving up 2 first rounders as we want to use one in the draft. It will be a pick and a player. If Cerra stays at Freo, we will use both 1st rounders in the draft.
Will Brodie will get delisted and we could pick him up as a rookie as could other clubs.
Mitch Wallis is likely as a mature inside mid we want. Will leave the Dogs. Very very cheap (4th round pick). Carlton interested as well.
Hopper off the board.
Cooled from last year on Charlie Constable.
Tom Mitchell not coming. Hawks want a first rounder and we won't give up a first pick now since his broken leg.
Major breakdown at St Kilda. Billings will leave to go to a good club. Not linked to us at this stage.
Earlier in the video said thinks one of CCJ or Chol will stay.
Then at the end of video said CCJ was 100% gone but now 70%. We will need a lot of salesmanship to get him to stay as he's been on the list for a long time and we didn't play him. If CCJ is dropped for Lynch in the finals then he's gone. If he's not re-signed by the finals then worry.
Ditto Chol (if he's not re-signed by finals). Think he'll go due to his family.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWmEJIJ8ozI
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Hmmm not sure about Wallis, Brodie and Narkle. Has a moneyball feel to it. Wallis will be 29 at years end. The other two haven't really got many runs on the board but I guess I'll trust the club.
They will play CCJ with Lynch and he will stay. Chol going surely.
Cerra would have to take unders here, significantly.
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Sounds like a summary of the previous 7 pages of this thread #clueless
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Narkle seems to lack the tank that will put him in the midfield so why are we linked to him?
Struggling to cement a place in Geelong's midfield.
We already have enough small forwards who are better than Narkle.
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Would hate to see KMac go
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Hmmm not sure about Wallis, Brodie and Narkle. Has a moneyball feel to it. Wallis will be 29 at years end. The other two haven't really got many runs on the board but I guess I'll trust the club.
They will play CCJ with Lynch and he will stay. Chol going surely.
Cerra would have to take unders here, significantly.
You say moneyball like it’s a negative. It isn’t, low cost for high gain providing you don’t build an entire list with that approach.
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Hmmm not sure about Wallis, Brodie and Narkle. Has a moneyball feel to it. Wallis will be 29 at years end. The other two haven't really got many runs on the board but I guess I'll trust the club.
They will play CCJ with Lynch and he will stay. Chol going surely.
Cerra would have to take unders here, significantly.
You say moneyball like it’s a negative. It isn’t, low cost for high gain providing you don’t build an entire list with that approach.
If it's done right. We are doing it a lot better these days, but ultimately with guys like Cotchin, Houli, Astbury moving on you'd like to see some genuine quality come in too.
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Brodie's name's been coming up in relation to us since he was drafted...wish it would stop... Wallis - could do a lot worse but surely not at his age which seems to contradict the supposed "rebuilding on the run" strategy....Narkle...meh....only if cheap and if it helps us keep Bolton.. :shh.
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Sumich reckons Cerra is staying....
https://twitter.com/johnt237/status/1406077117486358528
..but he said the opposite a week ago.... :shh
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Sumich reckons Cerra is staying....
https://twitter.com/johnt237/status/1406077117486358528
..but he said the opposite a week ago.... :shh
Adam Cerra set to sign 2year $1.5mil deal with @freodockers, says Peter Sumich on @913sportfm‘s #beforethefooty. “Sometimes you have to pay overs to keep players in WA”
No way is Cerra worth $750k per year! :gobdrop
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We should just be going to the draft. Get the next Cerra there
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Shockers paying overs to keep him in WA...if he did come to us imagine it would be for a fair bit less than that... :shh
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We should just be going to the draft. Get the next Cerra there
It will depend on where and how we finish this year. If we finish well short of the other contenders then we'll need to seriously review if there's another flag left in the current group as great as they have been. If not then I agree with should head to the draft and build the list for the next decade. We don't want to top up, fail and then hit a massive cliff like Hawthorn has.
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Former Fremantle coach Ross Lyon thinks Carlton should target young Dockers midfielder Adam Cerra.
Herald Sun reporter Jay Clark told Lyon that he’s heard talk that Carlton will look to shed three young midfielders this off-season with the potential to bring Cerra in.
“You have a look at Lochie O’Brien, Sam Petrevski-Seton and Paddy Dow go out, and Adam Cerra come in,” Clark said on Triple M.
“That’s starting to be some of the talk around the recruiters and list managers.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/06/20/ross-lyon-urges-carlton-to-target-adam-cerra/
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PADDY DOW
HAHA is it april fools. He is not an AFL footballer, lets be honest here.
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If you think that's funny wait until you hear the one about how we were sniffing around him last year and may still be.... :shh :help
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Bulldogs youngster Patrick Lipinski is reportedly being eyed-off by a number of Victorian clubs according to Sam Edmund.
https://www.zerohanger.com/afl-trade-news-victorian-lipinski-clubs-targeting-bulldogs-youngster-85677/
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I love Pat at Richmond, is young and has exceptional foot skills, quality person from a very good family would fit into the Richmond way very easily
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Narkle dropped by the Cats again tonight. So the whispers will continue to grow.
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Narkle dropped by the Cats again tonight. So the whispers will continue to grow.
PASS
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Narkle dropped by the Cats again tonight. So the whispers will continue to grow.
Not surprised after last weeks game, average at best, stay away from him Richmond.
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Narkle dropped by the Cats again tonight. So the whispers will continue to grow.
Not surprised after last weeks game, average at best, stay away from him Richmond.
I agree but being part of the Ralph Carr's stable means the rumours will link Narkle to us.
Narkle is one of Ralph Carr's five AFL clients, alongside Richmond quartet Dustin Martin, Shai Bolton, Mabior Chol and Daniel Rioli.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/06/24/should-off-contract-cat-explore-his-options/
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Cripps signed for 6 years. That is crazy.
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You mean Jack couldn't entice his Rampage VC over? :shh
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The media claiming clubs will go harder after Cerra now that Cripps and Merrett have re-signed.
Adam Cerra
One of the most talked about players this year in terms of where his future lies – the former Pick 5 has been linked to several Victorian clubs as he weighs up returning home – including Carlton, Essendon and Richmond. And Cerra remains unsigned late in the season, expect a whole line of Victorian clubs to pursue him.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-2021-free-agents-players-with-most-at-stake-contracts-trade-targets-adam-cerra-shai-bolton-mason-cox/news-story/cd8d400535e569b1ddbba9598b4b3602
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Go to the draft Tigers.
The run is over by the looks. Lets regenerate
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Keep Chol playing and we can fool another team to give us a second rounder. :rollin
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Cholly’s been in the system for too long. The pattern is far too obvious
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Go to the draft Tigers.
The run is over by the looks. Lets regenerate
Green, Cerra, Taylor all still young.... :shh
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Go to the draft Tigers.
The run is over by the looks. Lets regenerate
Green, Cerra, Taylor all still young.... :shh
Yes but get them at what price? 750k, 600k?
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If Cerra chooses us over Freo & Carlton it will be for unders (though not cheap) , Green is still only a second year player...his initial contract shouldn't be be that high or at least back ended(yeah yeah Tom Boyd but that was a one off and he was a key forward) ...Taylor -who I think should be an absolute priority target- would arguably cost the most in terns of salary & picks... these are the three I'd give up our high picks for (and next year's too if need be) ...otherwise yes - we should hit the draft as hard as we can.... :shh
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It’s been an AMAZING run guys, but it looks like it’s coming to an end.
As good as it’s been, let’s take our draft picks and go to the draft to re-stock the shelves.
The Cerra’s of this world are not in our next premiership window.
Look at the vibrancy of Essendank taking 3 early draft picks and nailing them. With a bit of luck, I’m sure we can do something very similar.
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The Cerra’s of this world are not in our next premiership window.
Window is at least ajar until Dusty pulls the pin, especially if Bolton stays as well and considering Cerra's probably got a least decade of footy left in him barring serious injury you'd hope he was also in our next one.... :shh
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It’s been an AMAZING run guys, but it looks like it’s coming to an end.
As good as it’s been, let’s take our draft picks and go to the draft to re-stock the shelves.
The Cerra’s of this world are not in our next premiership window.
Look at the vibrancy of Essendank taking 3 early draft picks and nailing them. With a bit of luck, I’m sure we can do something very similar.
Agree.
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Go hard at the draft.
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... Carlton would be so keen to spend a reported $750,000 per season in luring Cerra back to Melbourne, who has yet to prove himself as an elite footballer.
“I’m staggered by the money that’s on offer to him,” Whateley said on SEN’s Crunch Time.
“There is surely a rite of passage where there’s an interim contract of around $400,000.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/06/26/whateley-staggered-by-reported-offers-for-adam-cerra/
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... Carlton would be so keen to spend a reported $750,000 per season in luring Cerra back to Melbourne, who has yet to prove himself as an elite footballer.
“I’m staggered by the money that’s on offer to him,” Whateley said on SEN’s Crunch Time.
“There is surely a rite of passage where there’s an interim contract of around $400,000.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/06/26/whateley-staggered-by-reported-offers-for-adam-cerra/
Cripps $1mil
McKay $900k
Williams $850k :rollin :rollin :rollin
Saad $650k :rollin
Martin $600k :rollin :rollin :rollin
McGovern $600k :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Walsh 600k
C Curnow $500k
How many more players can they offer to pay the big bucks?
Are the baggers up to there old tricks
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If Cerra chooses the scumbaggers then he was never a true Richmond supporter... :shh
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If Cerra chooses the scumbaggers then he was never a true Richmond supporter... :shh
:clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping
:clapping
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Fremantle chief executive Simon Garlick says his club is “really comfortable” with where contract negotiations sit with young gun on-baller Adam Cerra.
North Melbourne is offering the Giants' Josh Kelly $8.8m over 8 years to move to Arden St.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-adam-cerra-carlton-fremantle-talks-daniel-talia-adelaide-contract/news-story/4efcb4c731e5f3acf98703e940bcd852
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I’ve heard whisper and this bloke 99percent right about all footy news he thinks Cotchin won’t be at tigers next year 100 percent thinks stack will be at Fremantle Choi gone caddy gone Houli retired castagna traded plenty room for big name join
https://www.theroar.com.au/2021/06/30/why-are-the-tigers-in-decline/
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Doesn't take a genius to figure all that out.
Only real question is do we trade George?
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Didn't George just re sign for 2 or 3 years.
Cotchin & Houli I can see both retiring.
Chol can go. No issue there.
I would keep Caddy, dont know why he is not getting a game.
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Agree re: Caddy not getting a game although I'm happy to trade him. Club is finished with him. But I'd have preferred him vs Saints instead of Ryan given the weather. At least the prick has a crack.
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Sydney and “a big Melbourne club” are among clubs circling out-of-contract Western Bulldogs midfielder Patrick Lipinski.
Bulldogs teammate Ed Richards was gaining trade market attention, with North Melbourne and Brisbane “very interested” in the rebounding defender/wingman.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/clubs-circling-bulldog-lipinski-20210630-p585ou.html
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Pat Lipinski would be a good pick up, silky foot skills
Caddy plays a role and is a big body which is what we need at the moment as Cotch can’t do it all
In short bursts maybe off the forward flank it would be to get him into the packs
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Pat Lipinski would be a good pick up, silky foot skills
Caddy plays a role and is a big body which is what we need at the moment as Cotch can’t do it all
In short bursts maybe off the forward flank it would be to get him into the packs
Caddy is not the answer.
Wouldn’t mind Lipinski at a reasonable price.
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Go to the draft simple as that.
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Go to the draft simple as that.
Yes. You don't often get a chance to get these picks. Use them.
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(https://i.imgur.com/Mn9XENw.jpg)
Had some credibility until the last three words... :shh
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Id keep our picks and forget about Cerra unless its for a future 1st and McIntosh or Pickett.
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Five trade targets for EVERY club: Richmond
What will the Tigers do in the trade period to keep their success coming?
By Benjamin Millard
zerohanger.com
3 July 2021
Richmond have been well below where they expected to be in season 2021, not measuring up to the extremely lofty standards set by their success in recent years.
The truth is that Trent Cotchin, Jack Riewoldt and other ageing stars aren’t going to be around forever and sooner or later Damien Hardwick will have to start looking for new blood.
The idea of these stories is to identify potentially gettable targets who could fill roles, not just link every club to superstars, the likes of Marcus Bontempelli or Patrick Cripps.
In no particular order, here are five players which the Richmond recruitment team would do well to target and potentially poach.
1. Patrick LIPINSKI
NUMBER 27
POSITION Midfield
WEIGHT 84 kg
HEIGHT 187 cm (6 ft 2 in)
DATE OF BIRTH 17/07/1998 (22 years old)
DRAFTED FROM Eltham (Vic)/Northern U18
CONTRACTED UNTIL 2021
2021 SEASON AVG:
16 Disposals
2.3 Tackles
1.4 Clearances
One of multiple Doggies players on this list, Patrick Lipinski would be a great deal for the Tigers to try and push through.
The wingman is industrious and has been in good form when he has been given the opportunity by Luke Beveridge.
The reality is however is that the Bulldogs have the best midfield in the competition as it stands, and for the 22-year-old to try and force himself into it would be a mammoth task.
This has lead to him spending a lot of time in the VFL, only playing nine games in 2021 so far.
With his contract out at the end of season 2021, the midfielder is the subject of intense interest from other clubs, and Richmond would likely be keeping their ear to the ground on the matter.
If he was to make the switch to Punt Road, then expect for him to go in on the wing and take over from Marlion Pickett should his form falter at any point.
2. Ed RICHARDS
NUMBER 20
POSITION Midfield / Forward
WEIGHT 79 kg
HEIGHT 185 cm (6 ft 1 in)
DATE OF BIRTH 03/07/1999 (22 years old)
DRAFTED FROM Hawthorn Citizens (Vic)/Carey Grammar (Vic)/Oakleigh U18
CONTRACTED UNTIL 2021
ROUND 15 2021 STATS:
16 Disposals
3 Tackles
5 Marks
This pacey defender/midfielder hybrid is on a number of team’s hitlists this trade period, with the 21-year-old impressing in the 59 games he’s had at AFL level.
Richards had his first game back from a fractured fibula in Round 15 against the Eagles, spending most of his time on the half-back line and chipping in with his 16 disposals.
Despite this, he is able to drift across the half-forward and hurt teams that way with his blistering speed. With this, he could potentially slot into multiple spaces within Richmond’s best-22.
His inclusion on the weekend has shown the value that he brings to Luke Beveridge‘s side and it will take a huge offer to pry him away from Whitten Oval.
Despite the Tigers not having a huge salary cap available, it would be worth putting the feelers out and seeing what the Doggies have to say.
3. Mitch WALLIS
NUMBER 3
POSITION Forward
WEIGHT 85 kg
HEIGHT 186 cm (6 ft 1 in)
DATE OF BIRTH 24/10/1992 (28 years old)
DRAFTED FROM St Bernard's (Vic)/Calder U18
CONTRACTED UNTIL 2021
2021 SEASON AVG:
10.3 Disposals
1.3 Tackles
The third and final Dogs player on this list is Mitch Wallis, who has been out of favour in 2021 despite his impressive form in 2020.
The forward has only featured on four occasions for Luke Beveridge‘s side during this season and has failed to nail down a regular spot in a side that is steaming towards a home qualifying final position.
Despite this, there is no doubting the quality that he can bring to the table on his day. The 28-year-old managed 25 goals in his 18 appearances in a stunted season 2020 and was one of the key factors behind their finals appearance.
For the Tigers, he would be great across the forward-line to complement Riewoldt and Lynch when others around them such as Jason Castagna, Daniel Rioli or Jake Aarts maybe aren’t firing as well as they could.
Wallis becomes an unrestricted free agent at the end of this season, meaning that he is able to choose where he plies his trade for season 2022.
It would be wise for the Tigers to put a contract on the table and bring Wallis to Punt Road at season’s end.
4. Adam CERRA
NUMBER 5
POSITION Midfield
WEIGHT 84 kg
HEIGHT 188 cm (6 ft 2 in)
DATE OF BIRTH 07/10/1999 (21 years old)
DRAFTED FROM Norwood (Vic)/Wesley College (Vic)/Eastern U18
CONTRACTED UNTIL 2021
2021 SEASON AVG
21.7 Disposals
2.3 Tackles
3.3 Clearances
The big target that the Tigers are linked with for trade period 2021 is the gun Dockers midfielder Adam Cerra.
The 21-year-old has been linked with almost all sides in Victoria as he signaled his intent to move back home.
Cerra hasn’t been putting up huge numbers in season 2021, with arguably his best performance being against Sydney in Round 10 where he racked up 25 touches and a goal in a two-point win for his side.
However the sad truth for the Tigers is that captain Trent Cotchin isn’t getting any younger, nor is Dusty, Prestia or Shane Edwards, so the time might be now to go and secure the next generation of Tigers.
Getting Cerra could be the beginning of a new era at Punt Road, and with other youngsters coming through such as Chol, Coleman-Jones and Collier-Dawkins, it could be a bright future at Tigerland.
5. Harry PERRYMAN
NUMBER 36
POSITION Defender / Midfield
WEIGHT 80 kg
HEIGHT 184 cm (6 ft 0 in)
DATE OF BIRTH 19/12/1998 (22 years old)
DRAFTED FROM Collingullie-Glenfield Park (NSW)/NSW-ACT U18
CONTRACTED UNTIL 2022
2021 SEASON AVG
22.8 Disposals
5.4 Marks
4.8 Rebound50s
Giant Harry Perryman is a force to be reckoned with down back for Leon Cameron‘s side. The 22-year-old has been solid as a rock in the GWS rearguard for the last few years and earned himself a new two-year contract last year.
His 2021 form has been outstanding as well despite sustaining injuries which have kept him out of just under half of all games this year.
Perryman is averaging 2.1 intercept marks, 22.8 disposals and 423.3 metres gained per match, all above average numbers for a defender and showing he is able to help his team build from the back, something the Tigers enjoy doing.
Although a move could be unlikely this trade period, the Tigers should definitely attempt to secure the defender in the future, with his ability to win the ball an asset to any side he plays in.
https://www.zerohanger.com/five-trade-targets-for-every-club-richmond-86033/5/
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Hawks legend Jordan Lewis advises Tigers not to chase Docker Adam Cerra
Ed Carmine
zerohanger.com
July 3, 2021
Four-time premiership Hawk Jordan Lewis has stated that Richmond should not be pursuing the signature of out-of-contract Fremantle midfielder Adam Cerra, with the one-time All Australian holding the view that the reigning premiers should instead set their sights on the draft.
Following Thursday night’s final-siren that saw the Tigers fall short of the rising Suns by 10-points at Marvel Stadium, Herald Sun journalist Sam Landsberger tweeted that the Punt Road club currently held the 11th, 14th, 26th and 30th selections for this year’s talent pool.
Although their entry point is subject to change, Richmond will hold a pair of first round picks – unless they part with them to land Cerra.
Speaking on SEN’s AFL Nation last night, Lewis urged those at Tigerland not to sell the farm to secure the 21-year-old Victorian.
“I’d be staggered if they gave up their top picks in the draft,” he said
“I don’t think you need trade out players (and picks) out to get an Adam Cerra in, the draft pick that you might pick might be just as good but you don’t need to pay the money you’ll have to pay Cerra to come in.”
The 319-gamer pointed to the successes of a pair of current Demons as to why the Tigers should be on the prowl for draftees rather than Cerra.
“If there’s a Kossie Pickett or Luke Jackson in this draft that can come in and have an impact…that’s the decision they’ll have to make at the end of the year,” Lewis said.
“I certainly don’t think their successful period is done and dusted and don’t think it’s a bad thing if they miss finals this year, (it would) create a little bit of hunger and (they would) get a chunk of time off to see other teams playing finals when they should be playing.”
Cerra, a former first round draftee himself, has long been linked with numerous Victorian clubs – including Richmond – after his recent decision not to ink a new deal with the Dockers.
The Eastern Ranges product has 69-games for Fremantle since debuting in Round 2 of 2018 and holds career averages of 16.4-disposals, three tackles and 1.7 clearances across them.
https://www.zerohanger.com/afl-trade-news-hawks-legends-advises-tigers-not-to-chase-docker-86235/
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Think we all agree with Lewis on this one
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yep.
yes to greene from the gws and a big no to cerra
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Would like both but if was came down to just one then it's Green by the length of Bass Strait over Cerra or pretty much any other player in the AFL for that matter.....mind you I'm also fairly confident that we'll get Green at some point in the not too distant future if not this year.. :shh.
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not that it matters these days but is he out of contract at the end of this year?
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End of 2023 I think - so would take some doing to get him before then but the pull of Punt Road is strong -as you well know he's not just some kid who "grew up supporting Richmond" like Cerra, he's Royal Tiger blood.... :shh
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Perryman is a gun too
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Not a player, but would love to see Luke Hodge somewhere in our coaching staff
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Not a player, but would love to see Luke Hodge somewhere in our coaching staff
Yes.
Start looking beyond the Hardwick years. No point in creating a Sheedy Essendon situation. Bring in Hodge give him tbe senior gig in 3 years.
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Use McIntosh and Second round pick to get Cerra. Might take the Geelong first but aim would be a sceond.
Trade in Lipinski for a second and we have an upgrade for McIntosh's wing
Trade out Caddy for a late second early 3rd
Swap CCJ to GWS for Green
Use first two picks in the draft on talls
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Use McIntosh and Second round pick to get Cerra. Might take the Geelong first but aim would be a sceond.
Trade in Lipinski for a second and we have an upgrade for McIntosh's wing
Trade out Caddy for a late second early 3rd
Swap CCJ to GWS for Green
Use first two picks in the draft on talls
:lol :lol :lol :lol
1- McIntosh and second for Cerra … dreaming
2- CCJ for Green … dreaming
3- Caddy for late second, early third … dreaming
Would be a bloody easy thing this list building caper if you could bend all clubs over no lube
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Adam Cerra faces daunting risk vs reward call on possible homecoming
According to his former coach Ross Lyon, Cerra hasn't fully “popped” as a player. While he would be a nice bit of glitter to the current set up, the glitter won't fully disappear if he was to walk. The currency is palpable; the hand Fremantle HQ will either land via draft picks or ready to go tradeable commodities will provide that glitter in buck.
As Lyon eluded to, Cerra hasn't “popped”. He's been considered the long-term Trent Cotchin for the Tigers, who are on the downfall.
Long-term, Cerra will be a magnet synonymous with the centre square. Thus, Cerra has room to fully “pop” and become his own version of the AFL's elite.
Would an immediate arrival to the Tigers in 2022 thwart Cerra's rise? If it were at the Tigers, I'd suggest yes, short-term.
Similarly with a move to the navy blues of Carlton. The pressure is at a premium for a big-time recruit still effectively finding their way.
https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl/fremantle-dockers-young-gun-adam-cerra-faces-daunting-risk-or-reward-call-on-possible-homecoming-michael-barlow-c-3298279
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Not a player, but would love to see Luke Hodge somewhere in our coaching staff
Been saying this since before he even left Hawyhorn... :shh
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Que Cerra: Why Richmond shouldn’t chase Adam Cerra
Jake Niall
The Age
July 4, 2021
Adam Cerra usually makes the right decision with the ball in his hands. In the coming weeks, he will make the most important call of his career to date when he decides where he’ll play after this season.
Theoretically, he has up to 10 potential options - nine Melbourne clubs, plus sticking with Fremantle. In practice, the choice is much narrower, given the salary cap constraints, specific needs and draft capital of the various clubs.
North Melbourne, for instance, won’t be a bidder for Cerra. Their need is for speed and flair and Cerra, a smooth but not swift mover, doesn’t fit it.
Collingwood can be dismissed, since the Pies don’t have either the salary cap room or a first round draft choice in 2021 that could be spent on Cerra.
The Western Bulldogs already have a stacked midfield and a packed salary cap. Forget them.
Melbourne would need to lose someone to find the salary space to accommodate Cerra, who reportedly will command more than $700,000 from the Dockers; certainly, he won’t be moving for less than $600,000.
St Kilda seems more likely to head to the draft this year after splurging on seasoned recruits in 2019-20. Hawthorn can make a play, but they’d be weighing up whether they want to lose their first pick - likely top 5-6 - at the mid-point of a regeneration that is already showing the first green shoots.
That leaves the following options: Carlton, Essendon and Richmond.
Essendon aren’t committed to either the draft or topping up. Does Cerra fit their needs? Debatable. The biggest holes are key defenders (though Zach Reid might be one) - and probably key forward, despite Harrison Jones’s promise.
The Blues have been interested in Cerra, which isn’t surprising in view of their midfield roll call of Sam Walsh and Patrick Cripps, daylight and then? Ed Curnow maybe, or - if you believe in him - eventually Paddy Dow.
But the most fascinating possibility is the Tigers.
Cerra grew up in a yellow and black household, as a Richmond supporter. I’d guess if that if Jack Riewoldt, Dusty Martin and Trent Cotchin importuned him with tales of Richmond exceptionalism, he’d find it hard not to be impressed.
But if Cerra is as shrewd in his decision-making off the field as on, he’d be wise to sidestep the Richmond option, at least this time.
Richmond, who have one of the premier list managers in Blair Hartley, should do likewise. The Tigers should not be chasing Cerra, either.
On the surface, one can see why a union of Cerra and Richmond may hold appeal to both parties: Cerra, at 187cm, has the bigger body that the Tigers don’t have in abundance.
If they snagged Cerra, could it not give them a young, talented midfielder, who’s completed his apprenticeship, helping extend their premiership window, while the fabled core of the 2017-2021 team are still around?
Maybe. That’s the case for Cerra. The case against chasing him, however, is more compelling.
The history of recent AFL dynasties is that they last about five years before the onset of decline - either gradual or rapid - as stars enter their 30s and the draft’s gravitational force drags the super team down.
The Brisbane Lions fell off the cliff in 2005 after four consecutive grand finals.
But the more relevant comparison for the Tigers is the team coached by Damien Hardwick’s close mate, Alastair Clarkson.
In 2016, Hawthorn bowed out in the second week of the finals to the Bulldogs, ending their bid for a fourth consecutive flag.
Faced with a raft of ageing champs, the Hawks made the bold decision to jettison Jordan Lewis (Melbourne) and Sam Mitchell (West Coast, on coaching sabbatical); the following year, Luke Hodge was retired, only to re-animate in Lion colours.
As these club legends shuffled off, the Hawks struck a remarkable trade heist, acquiring both Jaeger O’Meara from the hapless Gold Coast Suns and Tom Mitchell from the Swans.
Mitchell was cheap in draft cost, just pick 14. O’Meara effectively cost the (future) 2017 first rounder, plus Bradley Hill - a hefty price for a midfielder carrying a major knee injury.
Hawthorn can say, rightly, that Mitchell won a Brownlow and when fit, O’Meara is their best player.
But hindsight suggests that the purchase of O’Meara and Mitchell did not fit Hawthorn’s demographic and rebuild imperatives. Five years on, that pair have spent their prime years at a club that’s not contended once for the premiership, only making finals in 2018.
If they see success, it will be in a Shane Crawford-style twilight.
Cerra should be choosing a team that’s on the crest of a success wave (Tom Lynch and Dion Prestia timed it perfectly), not one that’s ridden the glorious breaker.
The Tigers are better placed than Hawthorn of 2016, yes. They’ve got Shai Bolton (22), Jayden Short (25) and Noah Balta (21), plus the likes of Callum Coleman-Jones and largely unproven youngsters from the drafts of 2018-19 and 2020.
But history and list demographics still suggest that they will find it difficult to remain in flag contention after this year.
Riewoldt and Shane Edwards are 33 this October. Cotchin is 31, Dusty turned 30 last week, Dylan Grimes will be 30 this month. David Astbury is 30 and Bachar Houli, at 33, might be finishing up. Even Lynch and Prestia turn 29 in October. Bolton is the only definite A-grader under 25.
One proviso: recruiting Cerra would be more feasible if Cotchin suddenly retired, or in the improbable scenario of Bolton seeking a trade home to Fremantle.
History’s lesson is clear, though. Teams fallen from the heights of multiple flags don’t defy gravity, and the sooner they invest in the draft - the path the Hawks eschewed in 2016, only to end up in a harsher rebuild four years later - the faster they will see a renaissance.
Ok Geelong did levitate, but they’ve had highly unusual circumstances - one is called Patrick Dangerfield, others called Tom Stewart, Tim Kelly and Jeremy Cameron. Even then, they’ve not won a flag since 2011.
For the first time in a while, the Tigers will enter this post-season with a potent draft hand. Their first choice shapes as proximate to 10-12, and they have Geelong’s first pick, plus St Kilda’s second pick and their own.
The logical play for Richmond is to head to the draft.
Fremantle, moreover, probably won’t accept pick 10-12 for Cerra. They’ll demand either a top 5-6 pick or two first rounders. The Tigers shouldn’t jump at that.
What’s Cerra’s best option? He should be sticking with the Dockers for another two seasons, as they seem on the rise. He will have a better range of options if he wants to leave after 2023, or can extend until free agency (2025).
Que Cerra, Cerra. Wherever he’ll be, he’ll be.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/que-cerra-why-richmond-shouldn-t-chase-adam-cerra-20210703-p586jm.html
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They were talking about Cerra tonight and Lloyd said instead of paying $750k if I were Richmond I'd be holding onto your picks and head to the draft to pick up the next Cerra that only costs you $80k.
Caro then jumped in and said Richmond needs Tom Green. McClure replied GWS won't want to give up Green. Caro then adds 'well he was dropped two weeks ago' and it would be romantic [if he arrived at Punt Rd].
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All I know is that we have to get Green to ask for a trade and nominate us but then GWS have to agree. In saying that, works being done and we have a huge draw as he would love to play for us, its been a dream of his for a long time. We also have what GWS needs in surplus
If you are shaking one of the gws mids out it’s Taranto I know for a fact he wants to come home to Melbourne and we had been working with his camp about potentially coming to Richmond
This was about 12 months ago now so not sure if we are still in the race but a move to Victoria is definitely on the cards
Source: BigFooty (https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/trade-free-agency-talk-pt-3.1275237/post-70917155)
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I'd take both Taranto and Green.
They can have CCJ + Chol if they want and probably some picks to sweeten the deal because personally I don't think those two are worth much.
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Speaking on ABC radio, Cerra said various factors would go into his decision.
“For me it’s a bit of everything,” Cerra told ABC Radio.
“Football is just my job at the end of the day. Obviously I love it and I dedicate my life to it but I’ve got a partner and my family and I’ve got to make sure we all feel really comfortable with where I am.
Cerra said he still had ample time to assess his options.
“Obviously, I have a decision to make at the end of the year and I’m sure the time will come when it’s right to sit down and discuss and we’ll sort those things out but at the moment, it’s not at the front of my mind,” he said.
“I’m just trying to enjoy my footy and push for finals this year.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-josh-kelly-essendon-drops-out-of-race-gws-giants-contract-adam-cerra-fremantle-offer/news-story/a1493cc6cb059654d99f176612fb7545
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Speaking on ABC radio, Cerra said various factors would go into his decision.
“For me it’s a bit of everything,” Cerra told ABC Radio.
“Football is just my job at the end of the day. Obviously I love it and I dedicate my life to it but I’ve got a partner and my family and I’ve got to make sure we all feel really comfortable with where I am.
Cerra said he still had ample time to assess his options.
“Obviously, I have a decision to make at the end of the year and I’m sure the time will come when it’s right to sit down and discuss and we’ll sort those things out but at the moment, it’s not at the front of my mind,” he said.
“I’m just trying to enjoy my footy and push for finals this year before going to the Tigers and pushing to actually win a flag next year”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-josh-kelly-essendon-drops-out-of-race-gws-giants-contract-adam-cerra-fremantle-offer/news-story/a1493cc6cb059654d99f176612fb7545
EFA :shh
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Speaking on ABC radio, Cerra said various factors would go into his decision.
“For me it’s a bit of everything,” Cerra told ABC Radio.
“Football is just my job at the end of the day. Obviously I love it and I dedicate my life to it but I’ve got a partner and my family and I’ve got to make sure we all feel really comfortable with where I am.
Cerra said he still had ample time to assess his options.
“Obviously, I have a decision to make at the end of the year and I’m sure the time will come when it’s right to sit down and discuss and we’ll sort those things out but at the moment, it’s not at the front of my mind,” he said.
“I’m just trying to enjoy my footy and push for finals this year.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-josh-kelly-essendon-drops-out-of-race-gws-giants-contract-adam-cerra-fremantle-offer/news-story/a1493cc6cb059654d99f176612fb7545
If that’s an accurate quote 100% he is leaving
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I'd take both Taranto and Green.
They can have CCJ + Chol if they want and probably some picks to sweeten the deal because personally I don't think those two are worth much.
Agree. Get it done.
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If that’s an accurate quote 100% he is leaving
Yep.
Shame the AFL is still so backwards about trades.
It's business, it's life, it's income etc. Players and clubs need to be more open about it and stop it with the petty crap like Crows telling Lever not to come to the B&F etc haha.
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Bomber fan on BF:
Trade Scenario:
Western Bulldogs
Gain- Pick 29, 42 and 54
Lose- Pick 18
Richmond Gain- Cerra, Pick 28 and 60
Richmond lose- Chol, Pick 10, 29, 42 and 47
Fremantle Gain- Pick 10, 18 and 47
Fremantle lose- Cerra and pick 28
Gold Coast Gain- Chol
Gold Coast lose- Pick 54 and 60
Richmond receive: Adam Cerra, Pick 28(Frem) and pick 60(GC)
Fremantle Receive: Pick 10(Rich), Pick 18(WB) and pick 47(Rich)
Gold Coast receive: Mabior Chol
Western Bulldogs receive: Pick 29(Rich), Pick 42(Rich) and pick 54(GC)
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/adam-cerra.1254543/post-70931329
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Bomber fan on BF:
Trade Scenario:
Western Bulldogs
Gain- Pick 29, 42 and 54
Lose- Pick 18
Richmond Gain- Cerra, Pick 28 and 60
Richmond lose- Chol, Pick 10, 29, 42 and 47
Fremantle Gain- Pick 10, 18 and 47
Fremantle lose- Cerra and pick 28
Gold Coast Gain- Chol
Gold Coast lose- Pick 54 and 60
Richmond receive: Adam Cerra, Pick 28(Frem) and pick 60(GC)
Fremantle Receive: Pick 10(Rich), Pick 18(WB) and pick 47(Rich)
Gold Coast receive: Mabior Chol
Western Bulldogs receive: Pick 29(Rich), Pick 42(Rich) and pick 54(GC)
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/adam-cerra.1254543/post-70931329
Don’t like it👎🏾👎🏾👎🏾
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As is we’d give that much. Complete BS
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I think that's overs for cerra. He's overrated
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Chol is an unrestricted free agent - if he goes to GC it wont be part of any trade deal.
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A caller into SEN this morning: "Narkle to Richmond - take it to the bank".
The guys on SEN then added that Narkle is best mates with Bolton.
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A caller into SEN this morning: "Narkle to Richmond - take it to the bank".
The guys on SEN then added that Narkle is best mates with Bolton.
Massive NO TO NARKLE
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Narkle is shyte.... :thumbsdown
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All depends on cost and I’m not a massive fan, but if it’s the difference between Bolton going and Bolton staying but on a little less… I know what I’d prefer
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That would be the only reason.... :shh
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Big pass on Narkle, can find the ball for short spells( no tank after 4 years in the system) and is like a cat when he gets it.
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Fremantle great Matthew Pavlich is confident that young midfielder Adam Cerra will re-sign with the Dockers.
Cerra comes out of contract at the end of the season and is reportedly attracting interest from Victorian clubs, including Carlton and Richmond.
“I think Adam Cerra’s going to stay,” Pavlich told SEN WA’s Gilly and Goss.
“All the talk is that as the year goes on and the end of the season nears, everyone’s saying that he’s going to go.
“I have the contrary view. I think he’ll stay, Adam Cerra. That’s for no other reason that they’re building something pretty impressive down there at Fremantle, and I think he wants to be part of that.
“It may not be the four-year or the five-year longer-term deal that everyone at Fremantle would like him to sign, but it might be a shorter contract.
“I think he’ll stay, and I think he should stay. Get himself to that free agency window and then he can make that call.
Ex-Dockers skipper Pavlich has encouraged his former club to lure Geelong’s Jordan Clark and Richmond’s Shai Bolton back to Western Australia.
Clark is contracted to the Cats for 2022, while Bolton remains unsigned beyond this year.
“In terms of trading, Freo should absolutely still go after the likes of (Jordan) Clark and (Shai) Bolton from Western Australia to get them home and play for the Dockers,” Pavlich said.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/07/12/fremantle-great-confident-cerra-will-stay-encourages-double-swoop-on-wa/
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Rival clubs are reportedly circling Port Adelaide ruckman Peter Ladhams, believing he could be gettable despite being contracted until the end of next year.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2021-casualty-ward-injury-list-after-round-17-injury-news-returns-charlie-curnow-eric-hipwood-hugh-greenwood/news-story/f8b32b44ff20958c0029852eab928b10?recommendedCount=0
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Patrick Lipinski is attracting attention from a host of rival clubs, with four making their interest known.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/follow-all-the-latest-trade-draft-and-contract-news-across-the-afl/news-story/14ef3ee8699d9a6f05ec00140610aa8e
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Most likely wishful thinking but according to Caro Tom Green's grandmother wants him at Tigerland and is regularly calling Benny Gale.
7:30 min mark: https://omny.fm/shows/real-footy/they-just-looked-shot
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Most likely wishful thinking but according to Caro Tom Green's grandmother wants him at Tigerland and is regularly calling Benny Gale.
7:30 min mark: https://omny.fm/shows/real-footy/they-just-looked-shot
What a fine woman she is then!
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Make her Prez
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Lapinski makes Jack Graham look like Usain Bolt... :shh
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List managers estimate that for clubs to break even in 2022, the salary cap needs to increase by more than $110,000 and $250,000 when triggers and clauses are taken into account.
So what does all this mean for clubs during the trade period?
Through no fault of their own, clubs are more strapped for cash than they anticipated. Player agents believe Sydney, Brisbane, West Coast, Collingwood, Melbourne, Geelong and Richmond have almost no scope to target high-priced recruits in 2021.
As one list manager said on Wednesday: “The reality is most clubs don’t have much money to spend at the moment.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2021-afl-club-salary-cap-medical-sub-players-most-times-started-as-medical-sub/news-story/fd974bdfe76f58355a9abacd3d94ab5d
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So they already know who's still going to be on our list next year and all the pay structures do they? :shh
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Adelaide will entertain offers for two of its star free agents, Matt Crouch and Daniel Talia.
Rival clubs, particularly those based in Victoria (where Crouch and Talia grew up) have this week become aware of Adelaide’s willingness to let them walk out of the club.
Senior sources at Adelaide have also told The Age that versatile veteran Tom Lynch is also unlikely to be offered a new contract, which has raised eyebrows among some teammates.
Neither Crouch (groin) nor Talia (foot) have played this season as they deal with ongoing injuries and both are in the final years of their contract.
Rival clubs told The Age on Wednesday that both players would be valued at approximately second-round draft picks, mainly due to Crouch’s injury history and Talia’s age.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/hawks-eye-docker-experienced-crows-up-for-grabs-20210714-p589lf.html
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True,It does depend if someone is traded or if an unexpected retirement and even if the contracts are mismanaged ( see Collingwood) we also need to to allow for pay rises
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Based on tonight wouldn't be offering Freo any more than a 4th rounder for Cerra...4 quarters of softy ball watching that would do Menadud proud...as for Narkle - looked ok in a easy win but if that's his best than he'd be nothing more than a slight upgrade on Aarts..... :shh
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Based on tonight wouldn't be offering Freo any more than a 4th rounder for Cerra...4 quarters of softy ball watching that would do Menadud proud...as for Narkle - looked ok in a easy win but if that's his best than he'd be nothing more than a slight upgrade on Aarts..... :shh
Totally agree I hope we haven't sold the house for him.
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Maybe he's tanking his value because he wants to come over.
Green too.
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Adelaide will entertain offers for two of its star free agents, Matt Crouch and Daniel Talia.
Rival clubs, particularly those based in Victoria (where Crouch and Talia grew up) have this week become aware of Adelaide’s willingness to let them walk out of the club.
Senior sources at Adelaide have also told The Age that versatile veteran Tom Lynch is also unlikely to be offered a new contract, which has raised eyebrows among some teammates.
Neither Crouch (groin) nor Talia (foot) have played this season as they deal with ongoing injuries and both are in the final years of their contract.
Rival clubs told The Age on Wednesday that both players would be valued at approximately second-round draft picks, mainly due to Crouch’s injury history and Talia’s age.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/hawks-eye-docker-experienced-crows-up-for-grabs-20210714-p589lf.html
How bad are these injuries? Groin and foot. Historically they have both been quite durable.
Crouch just turned 26 so you'd think he has 4-5 years in him. Talia almost 30, maybe 1-2 years.
If they could get fit and come cheap with second round picks I'd consider blokes of their caliber if we decide to have a go at 2022. We have two second round picks and the Cats pick is looking quite low at this stage. But only if we think we're a chance next year. If not, go the draft.
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No to Cerra.
Open to Narkle at a reasonable price.
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Pavlova saying he'll re-sign with Freo for another two years.... :shh
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Pavlova saying he'll re-sign with Freo for another two years.... :shh
Good take him up to free agency and then he can come to us gratis
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DOCKER CAUGHT IN TWO MINDS
Carlton and Richmond are at the head of the queue for Fremantle’s Adam Cerra, but the Dockers push for finals continues to give him serious food for thought.
Cerra is still likely to ask for a trade, but some confidantes are suggesting if he is genuinely 50-50 on returning home he could still sign a two-year deal with the Dockers rather than the four they have offered.
Cerra is split between returning to a Victorian-based family that he has barely seen since the Covid issues started and staying at a club that is going places.
Cerra loves coach Justin Longmuir, is enjoying playing with his Freo teammates and has finally been thrust into a pure midfield role rather than half-forward or wing.
Carlton is reported to have offered around $2.8 million over four seasons, with the Dockers offering as much as $3 million.
Former Fremantle captain Matthew Pavlich told Fox Footy on Thursday night he believed Cerra should stay given the club’s emerging midfield.
“Despite the loss tonight, I think the Dockers are trending in the right direction with that young group that’s come through together with Brayshaw, Serong, Darcy and Cerra himself,” Pavlich said.
“I think he should stay for a couple more years and see it through.
“Clearly that’s a bit of a biased perspective having done it myself a couple of times and seen it through, but I think it’s important for him and the club to at least go a couple more years and see where that gets the club to.”
COULD CAT BECOME NEXT HIDDEN GEM?
Could Charlie Constable become the next Jarryd Lyons?
That’s what rival clubs continue to consider as the out-of-favour Cat slays his VFL opponents on a weekly basis.
Lyons was considered too slow by many when he started out at Adelaide and yet carved out an exceptional career after finding his way to Brisbane via the Gold Coast.
Constable’s pace has also come under scrutiny, but he has averaged 120 ranking points, 32 disposals and seven clearances in the VFL this year.
As one rival footy manager said of him last week: “He’s just too good to be playing VFL.”
He is out of contract this year but last October there were few interested parties at AFL level.
At just 22, surely there are enough clubs who need a flint-hard clearance expert for someone to offer him a chance elsewhere?
WHY TRADE PERIOD COULD FALL FLAT
This year’s trade period could be one of the greater fizzers on record.
AFL list managers and players managers continue to push the same message.
Only a handful of clubs have any spare cap space given most have deferred some of this year’s pay cuts into subsequent years — as allowed by the league.
The continued Covid crisis means a competition-wide pay rise is off the agenda, so player agents attempting to move their clients continue to be told there just isn’t money available.
Clubs such as Brisbane have so much depth on their lists they are struggling to find three players to delist at season’s end.
Players coming off excellent seasons are being told to accept contracts with bases of around $200,000 and match payments because there just isn’t room for them elsewhere.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/moneyball-follow-all-the-latest-trade-contract-and-draft-news-across-the-afl/news-story/49ee36f7ac1984fc0fba700f6f86b3d7
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Carlton and Richmond are at the head of the queue for Fremantle’s Adam Cerra, but the Dockers push for finals continues to give him serious food for thought.
Carlton is reported to have offered around $2.8 million over four seasons, with the Dockers offering as much as $3 million.
$700k-750k a season is an extraordinary amount for Cerra :o. His numbers have jumped up this year (avg 22 disposals) which is why this amount of money is being thrown around but from the Freo games I've watched I don't really notice him in terms of doing damage to the opposition with his possessions. He's no goalkicking mid that's for sure.
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/A/Adam_Cerra.html
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No for me , At that price it would make sense to go to the draft so we can keep our existing players
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Trade our 2nd & 3rd round picks to dogs for their first. Have 3 first rounder's
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Latest BF rumour is that we're in to Dunstan....also recall a few rumours last year tying us to Lemmens from Gold Coast (was probably brought up as a potential swap for Markov) ...looks a pretty handy player... :shh
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Wouldn’t mind Dunstan. He’s starting to show a bit.
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Cerra 700 get outta here.
Save the money and use it to keep guys like Bolton.
Dunstan would be useful on a wing.
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Dunstan makes Caddy look like Usain Bolt.
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Dunstan makes Caddy look like Usain Bolt.
Well he slaughtered us when we played them the other week. He had an outstanding game.
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No to Narkle the bloke still has a poor tank after five seasons, we already have RCD who hasn't developed an AFL standard tank after three preseasons but he is way still ahead of Narkle.
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No to Narkle the bloke still has a poor tank after five seasons, we already have RCD who hasn't developed an AFL standard tank after four seasons but he is way still ahead of Narkle.
This is RCDs 3rd season, was drafted Nov 2018, so he has been listed for less than 32 months
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No to Narkle the bloke still has a poor tank after five seasons, we already have RCD who hasn't developed an AFL standard tank after four seasons but he is way still ahead of Narkle.
This is RCDs 3rd season, was drafted Nov 2018, so he has been listed for less than 32 months
Post adjusted thanks.
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Last year was pretty much a write off for RCD in regards to building match fitness so he's really only in his second season proper.... :shh
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Trade latest: Big calls facing powerhouse clubs
Richmond is eyeing off Adam Cerra but also has a hot draft hand that could land them a Power sized haul. Check out the latest in our trade and free agency special.
HeraldSun
21 July 2021
Richmond has the potential for the Port Adelaide-style draft heist that secured the Power Connor Rozee, Zac Butters and Xavier Duursma with its massive arsenal of early picks.
The club’s five picks within 42 selections have been well-scrutinised, but what does it actually mean from a draft value?
The Tigers have pick 10, pick 16 (tied to Geelong), pick 27 (their own second-rounder), pick 29 (tied to St Kilda) and pick 42 (tied to Gold Coast).
Those picks add up to 4213 draft points — which is in effect the draft collateral they have to trade into earlier picks or multiple first-rounders.
Port Adelaide went bang in the 2018 national draft, securing Rozee (pick 5), Butters (pick 12) and Duursma (pick 18) after deciding to trade out stars Chad Wingard and Jared Polec.
The value of those three picks five, 12 and 18 — 4131 points.
The beauty of Port’s draft haul was nailing all three picks as well as grabbing Ryan Burton from Hawthorn in the trade haul.
It was also was the club’s confidence it could secure players that would hit the ground running that allowed it to rise up the ladder again.
So the Tigers can go one of two ways:
Give up multiple first rounders — something like 10 and 27 — if they want to secure Fremantle’s Adam Cerra in a trade.
Or back in their recruiter Matthew Clark to bring in the new wave of stars.
Clark is part of a recruiting team that has nailed the likes of Shai Bolton (pick 29), Noah Balta (pick 25), Jack Graham (pick 53), Sydney Stack, Marlion Pickett and the latest in mid-season recruit Matt Parker.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/moneyball-follow-all-the-latest-trade-contract-and-draft-news-across-the-afl/news-story/8397bd64736f64abd49486e491a70227
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Should be able to find talent with all of those picks. Don't think we need to trade up the draft but I wouldn't be upset if we did.
Also find the Rozee, Duursma and Butters trio to be grossly overrated myself.
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Go to draft and sign Cerra in 2 years as a free agent
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Just go to the draft Tigers, use those picks
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ON BF they're saying Daniel Howe from Hawthorn wants out and has nominated us...apparently Tom Morris mentioned it a few weeks ago....hope it's not true...from what I've seen bloke's basically downgrade on McIntosh ..though his main claim to fame is getting 5 weeks for belting Cripps and tripping Fisher and breaking his leg in the same match against the Scumbaggers...so guess that's a plus...#RichmondMan :shh
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I hope we go to the draft. Should we pick up one or two players without giving away our draft hand, it's a win.
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Forget Cerra for now....Dunstan FA & hit the draft.....late pick/rookie Josh Green, Freeman & Schlensong , maybe McDonough of the VFL list...of course if Tom Green is getable everything changes.... :shh
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Yes to Cerra for one pick only. If not go to draft and use 2 of the second rounders to get another first.
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Essendon has re-signed Jake Stringer on a 3-year deal with clauses for a 4th year. No mention of $$$.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-teams-round-19-2021-news-team-whispers-selection-updates-ins-and-outs-supercoach-news/news-story/f9f9dbd7080d4ada0a8162afcd1f0b35
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Typical, stringer has started playing well with his contract expiring.
What's the bet he goes back into his hole the way Dixon does.
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Narkle omitted again by Geelong.
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Narkle omitted again by Geelong.
Probably worried he'll stuff up the audition.... :shh
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From BF:
He [Cerra]'s told Carlton he's not interested. It's us [Richmond] or stay at Freo.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/adam-cerra.1254543/post-71208641
Caddy is off to North or wants to get to North. Knows he isn’t a wingman.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/trade-free-agency-talk-pt-3.1275237/post-71216065
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From BF:
He [Cerra]'s told Carlton he's not interested. It's us [Richmond] or stay at Freo.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/adam-cerra.1254543/post-71208641
Caddy is off to North or wants to get to North. Knows he isn’t a wingman to Dusty any longer.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/trade-free-agency-talk-pt-3.1275237/post-71216065
EFA
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Cerra - 26 disposals & 2 goals. Mind you had a couple of turnovers too.
David King reckons he's leaving the Dockers.
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Fremantle are reportedly keen to lure Sam Petrevski-Seton back to his home state of Western Australia, according to The Herald Sun.
The report states that it’s possible Petrevski-Seton could be included in potential talks for Docker Adam Cerra – who along with Bulldog Patrick Lipinski – was believed to have been part of Carlton’s list management discussions late this week.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-gold-coast-suns-pick-trading-pick-brad-johnson-saturday-stretch-petrevskiseton-contract-fremantle-dockers-out-of-contract-players/news-story/7d224183a7eac71e4a83ff12c3296587
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If he comes to Richmond I hope we don’t pay overs, he is handy but a at this stage a B grader
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Carlton’s pursuit of Adam Cerra has hit a snag as the midfielder looks for a path out of Fremantle.
Cerra has let dust gather on the Dockers’ four-year offer worth up to $750,000 a season. He is keen on a return home to Victoria where the Blues, Richmond and Hawthorn have emerged as the likely options.
Essendon is not in the frame.
It’s understood money is the main sticking point for the Blues, who have recently re-signed Patrick Cripps and Harry McKay to lucrative deals and have emerging superstar Sam Walsh to re-sign before the end of next season.
While some claim a Cerra move to the Blues is now off, people at Carlton believe the flame is still flickering.
As things stand, Carlton hold pick 6 in the national draft, with their next selection not coming until 25.
Cerra, 21, would command at least a first-round pick given Fremantle took him at No.5 in the 2017 national draft. He finished third in the Dockers’ best and fairest last year.
While it is a heavy draft price to pay after giving up their first-round selection for Adam Saad last year, a need to balance the salary cap is the primary obstacle for Carlton in the Cerra negotiations.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/07/26/carltons-pursuit-of-adam-cerra-has-hit-a-snag/
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Out-of-contract Geelong midfielder Charlie Constable is certain to depart the club at the end of 2021 if a rival suitor emerges, according to SEN Chief Sports Reporter Sam Edmund.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/07/27/out-of-there-cats-midfielder-to-depart-if-suitable-rival-offer-emerges/
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Forget Cerra if he's just after money.
Go all in on Tom Green 🍏.
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https://twitter.com/SENBreakfast/status/1419779129835089926
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Asked how many clubs had inquired about Narkle, his manager Ralph Carr said: “Around five clubs … all have been very professional and respectful.”
Carr said he had spoken to Narkle about the interest from rival clubs “in passing”, but he stressed no decision would be made on his future until the end of the season.
“The main focus is playing well for Geelong and helping Geelong to win a premiership,” Carr said.
“Geelong have been fantastic in terms of working together to get the most important result — Quinton playing great footy.
“Andrew Mackie and Shaun Grigg have been great (for him).”
Narkle has played 13 games for the Cats this year — for a total of 30 career games since his 2018 debut — but Geelong’s great strength has meant he has sometimes been overlooked at selection, to the surprise of many.
Asked what sort of asset Narkle would be to another club, Carr said: “If he moved … yes, it’s hard to get inside mids that can go forward as well and kick goals.
“He has the ability to find the ball and he will only get better. I am a huge fan of Quinton’s.”
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/moneyball-follow-all-the-latest-trade-contract-and-draft-news-across-the-afl/news-story/b2d4c0a739225d263c75157cfb55361a
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DOCKERS ‘POSITIVE’ YOUNG GUN WILL STAY
Fremantle is confident that out-of-contract young gun Adam Cerra will re-sign with the club.
The Dockers have reportedly put a four-year deal worth around $750,000 to the 21-year old as Victorian rivals circle looking to lure him home.
Speaking on Triple M Perth’s Rush Hour WA, Fremantle football boss Peter Bell was “really positive” Cerra would remain at the helm.
“I’m sure there’s a lot of people – ourselves included – we’d love to hear Adam’s decision, but he’s taking his time with that,” Bell said.
“What we see is a really invested player in our program. He’s driving to help us perform each week.
“I’m really positive that Adam will continue with us, but we want to respect his space to be able to make that decision.”
Asked if he’s had direct conversations with Cerra about his plans, Bell said: “Through his management, he’s still making his decision. He hasn’t said he’s leaving, he hasn’t said he’s staying, he’s making his decision.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-brayden-maynard-contract-pre-agent-clubs-interested-list-of-free-agents-adam-cerra-victorian-teams-collingwood-magpies-fremantle-dockers/news-story/fb10550d64e823218438242ce659ad8f
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Brad Johnson says Hawthorn should be open to any rival club trade offers that could come for Luke Breust and Jack Gunston as the club enters a new era.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-luke-breust-gold-coast-suns-jack-gunston-collingwood-jordan-de-goey-contract/news-story/568910617e43674afdd7549b84952567
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Aarse & Cantkickit for Bruest & Gunston... :shh
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Bruest still looks the goods.
Is Gunston going to get on the park soon?
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Dunno- would still trade both just for Bruest tbh... :shh
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Rankine out of favour at our youth development team. :shh
I reckon we get him over to punt rd and see him flourish in our environment. :rollin
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We need midfield depth
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Would take Rankine in heartbeat.... :shh
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No trades this year. That would be silly with this draft hand.
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On Big Footy, they were talking Cerra, What do you guys think?
Personally I don't think he's worth a first and the cap space would be too much.
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On Big Footy, they were talking Cerra, What do you guys think?
Personally I don't think he's worth a first and the cap space would be too much.
Might depend on retirements...
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If there are free agents on the table that can improve us then make a play for them. Otherwise hit the draft hard! Need a couple of midfield jets with our first picks and then the best key position forward and defender at our next 2.
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Green if he requests a trade (unlikely this year)the only player I'd chuck high picks at :shh
Narkle no more than third if helps keep Bolton, no point otherwise, if Bolton leaves then we ask for Cerra I guess but would prefer the picks tbh...though wouldn't mind if they chucked in Griffin Logue...more likely we'd ask for Tucker from what's been said in the past ....presuming Freo is where Bolton is headed ofc.... :shh
Wouldn't object to Dunstan FA if cheap.... :shh
Breust at minmum cost (upgrade on Aabbot & Castello for a year or two while MRJ develops).... :shh
Only other trades should be for more picks and higher picks.... :shh
NO to junk like Will Brodie.....rather just rookie Freeman..... :shh
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Richmond's season might be shot but there were signs today the Tiger era might not be over just yet - and one of them was playing for the opposition.
https://twitter.com/superfooty/status/1421793904643297281
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Of course it's all very well to hit the draft but will Hardwick actually play the new kids given he's generally loath to play the current crop and has been mostly reluctant over his tenure to play youngsters unless forced to by injuries....can just see him persisting with the likes of Parker & Aarts or some mature aged late/rookie pick like say, Freeman (or Brodie :help) getting games ahead of the kid we take with pick 8 or wherever.. :shh
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Tom Morris thinks both Andrew Gaff and Elliot Yeo should be put on the trade table.
“They’ve got to make some tough calls at the end of the year. I’d be going to Andrew Gaff and saying: ‘Do you want to go back to Victoria? We can get something for you now,’” he said.
“He’s contracted until the end of 2024 which makes it hard, but these are the tough calls you need to make if you’re going to rebound and actually get some young talent in.
“Elliot Yeo – he’s contracted for another two years – what can you get for him? Surely no one’s off the table if you’re having a rebuild?”
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Kane Cornes said there’s a salary cap “squeeze” at the Cats and that he’s interested to see how Cameron Guthrie’s situation plays out.
“Unrestricted free agent, so let’s watch this with real interest.
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/west-coast-eagles/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-west-coast-stars-andrew-gaff-future-contract-victorian-clubs-elliot-yeo-rebuild-cam-guthrie-free-agency-suitors-leaving-geelong-cats-eddie-betts-playing-on-carlton-blues/news-story/f6ff246aeaaf0f6db0e5b941085fdb05)
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Hmmm Guthrie UFA....Geelong flog or not...I'd do it if we had the space...their best mid IMO...(yes I include Dangerflop, Duckwood & Duncan in that) :shh
EDIT: Didn't realise he was nearly 30......thought he was about 27....(https://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_neutral.gif)
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Everyone’s nearly 30 at the cattery
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Our future first for Green.
2nd rounder to Dogs for their future first.
Cerra for Cats first and player.
2nd and 3rd for Dogs first this year.
Green, Cerra, two firsts this year and a third.
Still have a first next year.
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Our future first for Green.
2nd rounder to Dogs for their future first.
Cerra for Cats first and player.
2nd and 3rd for Dogs first this year.
Green, Cerra, two firsts this year and a third.
Still have a first next year.
Can you come up with an option that does not include Cerra?
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Tom Morris on OTC said Stephens & Dawson from the Swanettes both getable...:shh
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Our future first for Green.
2nd rounder to Dogs for their future first.
Cerra for Cats first and player.
2nd and 3rd for Dogs first this year.
Green, Cerra, three firsts this year and a third.
Still have a first next year.
Can you come up with an option that does not include Cerra?
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Gerard Healy has cautioned out-of-contract young gun Adam Cerra against departing the rising Fremantle Dockers.
Cerra is currently weighing up his future with a four-year deal worth around $750,000 a season on the table from the Dockers as several Victorian rivals including the Blues, Tigers and Hawks look to lure him home.
It comes during a career-best season for the 21-year old – averaging career highs across the board in disposals (23.1), marks (5.2), inside 50s (4.8) and clearances (3.4).
Speaking on Fox Footy’s On The Couch, Healy was bullish about Fremantle’s future, calling for Cerra to think twice about leaving the club.
“Message for you Adam Cerra: Look before you leap,” Healy said.
“There is something building over there at the Fremantle Dockers and we all want to be part of an uprising that goes on and wins a flag.
“If you have to go you have to go, but gee, you’d be leaving a big opportunity.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-luke-parkers-future-cameron-guthrie-free-agency-contracts-suitors-adam-cerra-fremantle-dockers/news-story/169ea0a3019c12dc35548465ab1fd550
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BF poster claiming "we are still keen on Dunstan as that bullocking mid we lack".
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Sydney‘s salary cap squeeze has left them vulnerable … and six stars are in rivals’ sights.
Luke Parker
Jordan Dawson
George Hewitt
Dylan Stephens
Sam Reid
Oliver Florent
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/sydney-swans/afl-news-2021-sydney-swans-trades-rumours-players-out-of-contract-luke-parkers-future-buddy-franklin-george-hewett-jordan-dawson-dylan-stephens-sam-reid-oliver-florent/news-story/7f68306285abf2094dfe495e0e39aff5
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I'm hearing Sparkle Narkle is all but confirmed coming to us.
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Would take any of those Sydney players bar Reid for the right price... :shh
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Would take any of those Sydney players bar Reid for the right price... :shh
Agree. Som quality in that bunch.
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Would take any of those Sydney players bar Reid for the right price... :shh
Agree. Som quality in that bunch.
X3
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I just hope we hit the draft with our hand we need some youth. Ok if the right player comes along for the right price.
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I just hope we hit the draft with our hand we need some youth. Ok if the right player comes along for the right price.
100% correct!
Draft youth, look at Cheatdon!
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Tom Morris on Fox Footy:
“West Coast, Geelong and Richmond – this is obvious. These clubs are towards the top of the tree and have been in the last couple of years and have re-signed a lot of players and got a lot of talent on their list. They can’t be too active in terms of bringing talented players to the club and will have to be smart in the way they go about it.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/department-of-trade/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-collingwood-salary-squeeze-essendon-cap-nathan-kreuger-collingwood-sydney-stack/news-story/332e944751a9f6a4833c93e6a362a12c
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Callum Twomey & Mitch Cleary talking about Cerra.
https://www.afl.com.au/video/659159/cerra-s-wait-giant-talks-go-quiet-young-swan-on-clubs-radar
- Don't believe Cerra has made a decision yet. Clubs don't know yet what he is doing. But the view is he is leaving Freo.
- Best financial offer may be Freo's.
- Given he was drafted at pick 5, he is worth at least one possibly two first round picks.
- Front of the queue is Carlton and Richmond.
- North & Hawthorn would be interested also but hard to see them giving up their respective early first round pick.
- Carlton may be reluctant to trade their first round pick after trading a first rounder for Saad last year. There's also the question of salary cap. That goes for all the clubs. Who has got the money?
- Richmond has shot into the equation for Cerra given their trade last year with Geelong which has given the Tigers two first rounders.
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Have a look at what Bolton interview , there was a hint there.
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Greater Western Sydney forward Jake Riccardi is weighing up whether to accept a contract offer from the Giants or explore his options elsewhere.
Given the lack of young key forwards on the market, suitors in Riccardi's home state of Victoria are expected to closely track his end to the season.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/659255/bobby-talks-begin-eagle-contract-unclear-call-on-luckless-saint-close
Whispers around that we are interested in Riccardi.
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CCJ replacement? :shh
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Watching the Puddytats tonight...surely we won't be giving up anymore than third rounder for Narkle to just jog around in the background....not as if we don't already have Chol for that.... :shh
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Would prefer to chase Riccardi than effing Narkle.
Surely we can do better.
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Looks like Narkle hasn’t got his heart in it for Geelong.
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Narkle has a heart? :shh
Riccardi not much better in a winning side... :shh :shh
When's Taylor out of contract? Gun.. :shh :shh :shh
Hopefully GWS will start thinking they don't need Tom Green to win now... :santa
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Dio you've been plugging Taylor for yonks and I saw his absolutely towel up Porkins tonight. Was BOG for me.
Very unassuming sort of lad in the post game interview.
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Best young key defender in the game for mine....imagine pairing him up with Balta for the next decade.... :shh
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Watching the Puddytats tonight...surely we won't be giving up anymore than third rounder for Narkle to just jog around in the background....not as if we don't already have Chol for that.... :shh
👍🏿
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:thumbsup :thumbsup
Who ever thought Narkle was any good? He is embarrassing.
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:thumbsup :thumbsup
Who ever thought Narkle was any good? He is embarrassing.
Poor game last night but he had the most clearances on the ground against us and has been good in other games.
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yes, against us, which is a team they beat by 70 points.
In a team thats bottom 8 like we are at the minute, he would be exposed even more, and would quickly become the whipping boy.
Pass, unless he is rookied or replaces someone like Arts.
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Best young key defender in the game for mine....imagine pairing him up with Balta for the next decade.... :shh
Problem is his a WA boy Taylor.
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We need to regenerate our midfield. We need 2 a grade mids. We need 1 key forward and 1 key Back and s couple of high quality utilities.
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Mids are biggest area of need.
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We need to upgrade our picks. We need 2 high end picks yo get the 2 best mids we can in the draft.
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Hmmm....
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/trade-free-agency-talk-pt-3.1275237/post-71495590
:shh
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So another BF poster reckons the rumour about RCD pushing fur a trade (see link in post above) is "100% not true"... :shh
In other news...the sexual assault charges against De Goey have been dropped with police ordered to pay costs.......still hasn't re-signed..... :shh :shh
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So another BF poster reckons the rumour about RCD pushing fur a trade (see link in post above) is "100% not true"... :shh
Which would be correct
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Dio you've been plugging Taylor for yonks and I saw his absolutely towel up Porkins tonight. Was BOG for me.
Very unassuming sort of lad in the post game interview.
Only trouble is GWS will do absolutely everything in their power to keep him. They have put in 4 yrs of development he is just 22 and their key defender stocks are getting thin and are aging like ours.Would say he is crucial to their near future.
Prising players out of there will become a thing of the past as those who are regulars have stayed loyal and so many are from their zone now days. One Victorian id like to have a crack at is Tim Taranto.
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What’s the difference in your logic between Taylor and Taranto?
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If we can get a decent return for RCD I wouldn't be too disappointed.
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If we can get a decent return for RCD I wouldn't be too disappointed.
You're assuming he wants to be traded and the club wants to trade him
No on the both counts
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BF podcast is claiming an announcement saying Cerra is leaving Freo will be made sometime next week. He also reckons we are in the box seat to get Cerra as Carlton have been told no twice and Essendon don't have the cap space. He also claims Bolton took unders so we could get Cerra.
Go to last 5 mins: https://twitter.com/BFtigercast/status/1424679516350259209
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BF podcast is claiming an announcement saying Cerra is leaving Freo will be made sometime next week. He also reckons we are in the box seat to get Cerra as Carlton have been told no twice and Essendon don't have the cap space. He also claims Bolton took unders so we could get Cerra.
Go to last 5 mins: https://twitter.com/BFtigercast/status/1424679516350259209
I don’t think t71 said Bolton took unders for Cerra?? ..
I believe he meant for someone else that he will announce in their trade podcast 😉…
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BF podcast is claiming an announcement saying Cerra is leaving Freo will be made sometime next week. He also reckons we are in the box seat to get Cerra as Carlton have been told no twice and Essendon don't have the cap space. He also claims Bolton took unders so we could get Cerra.
Go to last 5 mins: https://twitter.com/BFtigercast/status/1424679516350259209
I don’t think t71 said Bolton took unders for Cerra?? ..
I believe he meant for someone else that he will announce in their trade podcast 😉…
After watching him play against us, I'm onboard the Cerra train.
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Get the other Tom Lynch here asap.
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Dio you've been plugging Taylor for yonks and I saw his absolutely towel up Porkins tonight. Was BOG for me.
Very unassuming sort of lad in the post game interview.
Only trouble is GWS will do absolutely everything in their power to keep him. They have put in 4 yrs of development he is just 22 and their key defender stocks are getting thin and are aging like ours.Would say he is crucial to their near future.
Prising players out of there will become a thing of the past as those who are regulars have stayed loyal and so many are from their zone now days. One Victorian id like to have a crack at is Tim Taranto.
Only hope would be if he asked for the trade and we gave up something decent.
Would you include CCJ in a trade?
Would be keen on Taylor and Green. Would cost but probably worth it. I imagine our first pick + CCJ at least, probably more.
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Josh Kelly off the table.
Josh Kelly will play out his career at Greater Western Sydney, having triggered the lucrative eight-year extension within his contract on Tuesday.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/662933/giant-for-life-kelly-inks-monster-contract-extension
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Good...will make it harder for them to hang on to others... :shh
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From BF:
Remember when I posted about 6 months ago that we [Richmond] were into Taranto
Things are getting interesting
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/trade-free-agency-talk-pt-3.1275237/post-71521144
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From the Carlton BF board:
Jack Ross from Richmond could be put up for trade by The Tigers ? Could be another fairly cheap pick up like Fogarty that could improve our midfield depth ?
Still only 20 years old.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/bluemour-melting-pot-xxix.1275153/page-207
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Would 100% take Taranto.
Ross can go because clearly Dimma will insist he plays an outside/wing role that he's not suited to.
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Would 100% take Taranto.
Ross can go because clearly Dimma will insist he plays an outside/wing role that he's not suited to.
Personally, i would like to keep Ross and turn him into an inside mid- which is his real position :shh
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Would 100% take Taranto.
Ross can go because clearly Dimma will insist he plays an outside/wing role that he's not suited to.
Personally, i would like to keep Ross and turn him into an inside mid- which is his real position :shh
Me too but he basically a Matt Arnot.
If they let him put 5kg on over the summer and replace Cotchin permanently in the midfield with RCD then I'd be happy.
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Tom Morris reporting that it's now down to just Freo & the Scumbaggers in the race for Cerra and that we've dropped out....
...suspect/hope the sudden loss of interest might have something to do with the availabilty of a GWS mid or two in the wake of the Kelly deal... :shh
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The fact that Cerra is even looking at the Blues makes me dislike him.
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Said the 2017 GF was "the greatest day of his life" before he was drafted....forgotten it already apparently...... :shh
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Taranto would be a great get.
Would be happy with him or Cerra.
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Tom Morris reporting that it's now down to just Freo & the Scumbaggers in the race for Cerra and that we've dropped out....
...suspect/hope the sudden loss of interest might have something to do with the availabilty of a GWS mid or two in the wake of the Kelly deal... :shh
Can thank our lanky full forward getting paid 20k a kick at the moment for not being able to afford him.
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Tom Morris reporting that it's now down to just Freo & the Scumbaggers in the race for Cerra and that we've dropped out....
...suspect/hope the sudden loss of interest might have something to do with the availabilty of a GWS mid or two in the wake of the Kelly deal... :shh
Would be happy with one of Taranto, Hopper or Green.
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Carlton is monitoring Giants forward Jake Riccardi’s contract situation, reports the Herald Sun.
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The Crows face an uphill battle to keep Matt Crouch with the midfielder reportedly keen to explore his options as a restricted free agent at the end of the year
Crouch has been offered a new multi-year deal to remain in Adelaide but according to SEN’s Sam Edmund is eyeing a move to a Victorian club.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/department-of-trade/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-adam-cerra-carlton-richmond-and-essendon-pull-out-sam-petrevskiseton-fremantle/news-story/475284ac578f1da28e17fbeea1674809
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Tom Morris reporting that it's now down to just Freo & the Scumbaggers in the race for Cerra and that we've dropped out....
Also said the Dow's brother could be up for trade.
Here's Morris' article on Foxsports:
Adam Cerra’s career-defining decision is at least two weeks away, but already it now appears his choice is between two clubs: Fremantle and Carlton.
Essendon is not interested and is prioritising the draft and a key position player, while the Tigers are no longer in the hunt, according to multiple sources.
It leaves the Blues as the only option for Cerra if he decides to leave the Dockers and come home.
Although the midfielder is mainly considering a move due to family reasons, Carlton’s uncertain coaching situation has muddied the waters somewhat in recent weeks.
He does not want to commit to a club when he does not know who will be coaching them in 2022.
Fremantle, by contrast, is in a stable position. Justin Longmuir has a year to run on his contract and the club would be happy for him to sign either a two or four-year deal.
Of the other Melbourne-based clubs, Collingwood, St Kilda and Melbourne don’t have the cash ($700,000 to 750,000 will be his annual salary if he stays at Freo), while the Western Bulldogs are already well stocked with midfielders.
North Melbourne has the money now Josh Kelly has re-signed, but it is questionable whether Cerra would want to go to the Roos or Hawks as both clubs are rebuilding.
The question rival clubs are asking about the Blues’ interest in Cerra is: How can they afford him and how does a trade get done?
Sam Petrevski-Seton is increasingly likely to return home and the Dockers are the front-runner there, which could form part of a Cerra trade. Equally, Jack Silvagni is out of contract at season’s end, while Paddy Dow and Will Setterfield are contracted players but could be part of trade discussions.
In the back of list manager Nick Austin’s mind must be Sam Walsh’s rapid rise. He is out of contract at the end of 2022 and by then could command close to a seven-figure sum, based on his recent trajectory.
Also complicating matters for Carlton is that it gave up Pick 8 (with some later swaps) last year for Adam Saad. Would the Blues be prepared to give up another top 10 selection in 2021 for Cerra, as the Dockers would surely demand?
Amid all this uncertainty at the Blues, what’s crystal clear for Cerra is he holds the upper hand.
And in a trade period where there are very few notable players on the market, the focus is firmly on him.
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HEALY’S WARNING TO CLUBS CHASING CERRA
Brownlow Medallist Gerard Healy has warned clubs in the market for Adam Cerra to avoid surrendering prized draft selections to help them land the emerging Fremantle star.
Speaking on 3AW’s Sportsday, Healy said the sudden rises of Essendon and Sydney this season proves a club can now be “one, possibly two really good years of drafting away from becoming a really good side again”.
Healy, therefore, urged clubs pondering big plays for Cerra not to sacrifice too much draft capital.
“Here’s the lesson: Never ever give away two draft picks for a midfielder or a key-position player,” Healy told Sportsday. “He would have to be Patty Dangerfield-esque or Jonathan Brown-esque or Matthew Lloyd-esque.
“If you’re going to get Adam Cerra, that’s fine, Adam Cerra’s a good player. But the kid that’s 17 or 18 within two years may just be as good as Adam Cerra. So what are you giving away two draft picks for?”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/department-of-trade/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-adam-cerra-carlton-richmond-and-essendon-pull-out-sam-petrevskiseton-fremantle/news-story/475284ac578f1da28e17fbeea1674809
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Callum Twomey on the AFL's facebook page.
Richmond:
Twomey said he's been saying for a while that we weren't into Cerra as much as others were saying.
With 2 first rounders and 2 early second rounders the Tigers may just go to the draft.
Tigers have a number of re-signings to deal with first. Coleman-Jones is still out of contract. So they may focus on that before looking to spread their wings (at the trade table).
Chol:
Gold Coast and other clubs definitely interested. Those clubs are looking for that mobile ruckman that can go forward.
Narkle:
A number of inner city Melbourne clubs asking the question.
A lot of rumours last year linked him to Richmond as he has a lot of friends there. So perhaps he could end up there. However, Richmond haven't been overly keen in the past to reciprocate that interest.
https://www.facebook.com/AFL/videos/1034365317317148
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All BS rumours wouldn't surprise me we go to draft if we don't get a quality midfielder out of gws.
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Richmond, speculated as a potential home for Cerra for months, have opted not to pursue Cerra and are heavily focused on the national draft, in which the Tigers have a huge hand. The Tigers also have a tight salary cap due to contractual commitments.
The Tigers also have to pay key forward Tom Lynch more than $1 million a season for the next four years, due to his heavily back-loaded contract – a deal that helped the club secure him and other key players – while champion Dustin Martin is also due to be paid over a million dollars for another three seasons.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/cerra-favours-blues-if-he-leaves-dockers-tigers-not-keen-20210811-p58hvv.html
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Trade out Tom Lynch. He got his flags we got rewarded as a club now move him on and save a million a year on the salary cap
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Trade out Tom Lynch. He got his flags we got rewarded as a club now move him on and save a million a year on the salary cap
You’ve had a knock to the head 🤣
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Out-of-contract Saints duo Jack Billings and Luke Dunstan are unlikely to be at the club next season, according to senior foxfooty.com.au reporter Tom Morris.
Kane Cornes has named North Melbourne and the Gold Coast Suns as potential suitors for discarded Crow Tom Lynch.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/department-of-trade/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-tom-lynchs-future-landing-spots-suitors-jack-billings-luke-dunstan-free-agency-st-kilda-saints-players-out-of-contract/news-story/f222c5a76d579169a9d7624c5dfa461c
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Trade out Tom Lynch. He got his flags we got rewarded as a club now move him on and save a million a year on the salary cap
You’ve had a knock to the head 🤣
Why... he aint worth 1 million a year. Hes a 600,000-650,000 a year player now. Thats all.
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Trade out Tom Lynch. He got his flags we got rewarded as a club now move him on and save a million a year on the salary cap
You’ve had a knock to the head 🤣
Why... he aint worth 1 million a year. Hes a 600,000-650,000 a year player now. Thats all.
Not sure anyone would want to pay him $1mil.
We'd have to pay a good portion of it.
But it's true. He had a good 2019 and had been quite poo ever since.
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Trade out Tom Lynch. He got his flags we got rewarded as a club now move him on and save a million a year on the salary cap
You’ve had a knock to the head 🤣
Why... he aint worth 1 million a year. Hes a 600,000-650,000 a year player now. Thats all.
Yes he's had a poor season, some of it not his fault
But it's one season. Been injured, played injured and has struggled.... let's see what 2022 brings
He won't be traded and he shouldn't be.
Personally, have faith he will turn it around. Could be this week... he kicks a bag and his poor form will be forgotten pretty quickly I reckon
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Trade out Tom Lynch. He got his flags we got rewarded as a club now move him on and save a million a year on the salary cap
You’ve had a knock to the head 🤣
Why... he aint worth 1 million a year. Hes a 600,000-650,000 a year player now. Thats all.
Yes he's had a poor season, some of it not his fault
But it's one season. Been injured, played injured and has struggled.... let's see what 2022 brings
He won't be traded and he shouldn't be.
Personally, have faith he will turn it around. Could be this week... he kicks a bag and his poor form will be forgotten pretty quickly I reckon
He had a very poor season last year also
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Could do worse than picking up Dunstan or Billings as free agents..... :shh
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I honestly don't think we can afford anyone at the moment and that's just a fact of being successful. You reward your current players.
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I honestly don't think we can afford anyone at the moment and that's just a fact of being successful. You reward your current players.
Need to cut some blokes/$$$ too.
Houli should go. Astbury should be considered too. Cotchin has a year to see out but that will be his last.
There's guys around 30 that will be finishing up in 1-3 years so we can always plan ahead and back-load contracts but don't want to do ourselves a Collingwood.
Club did a good thing using the Rance money to adjust and front load some contracts but you have to wonder if the Lynch one will come back to haunt us. Also wonder if Dusty's best is behind him or if he really has been playing hurt most of the year.
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Depends on retirements, delistings, trades etc.....would probably have to offer a heavily back ended contract to whoever we might target....this is where good list managers earn their keep.... :shh
As for Dusty - if there's no long term effects then the kidney injury was probably a blessing in disguise because he really need to be rested from his other injuries... :shh :shh
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See the Crows won't be re-signing Talia
Any interest in him just as a back up key defender?
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See the Crows won't be re-signing Talia
Any interest in him just as a back up key defender?
Absolutely, only 29
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https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/trade-free-agency-talk-pt-3.1275237/post-71545496
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See the Crows won't be re-signing Talia
Any interest in him just as a back up key defender?
Very surprised. Thought he was a good defender.
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Was probably the best 1v1 defender at one point. Haven't seen him play this year but we could certainly do worse unless he's become slower than Astbury
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See the Crows won't be re-signing Talia
Any interest in him just as a back up key defender?
Yes I've said this elsewhere. Crouch too, apparently also going cheap.
Talia if fit would be great as a replacement for Astbury if we could get 2 years out of him. Just need Miller to come on or find another KPD.
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See the Crows won't be re-signing Talia
Any interest in him just as a back up key defender?
Yes I've said this elsewhere. Crouch too, apparently also going cheap.
Talia if fit would be great as a replacement for Astbury if we could get 2 years out of him. Just need Miller to come on or find another KPD.
I'd be happy with Talia
But a no to Crouch... too many dinky little chip kicks ... not sure it fits in with our game style
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Not sure about recruiting a 30 year old who's just missed an entire season though I think the real question is; would he want to sing our song? :shh
Dunstan a far better option than Crouch if we're going to go down that road... :shh :shh
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I like Crouch as he is an extractor that could take the pressure off Cotch, I’m not sure how defensive he is but I suspect he might not give us value ( money ball) that we are after
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Pass on both for me the crows boys.
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If we can land a younger gun mid like Taranto then I’d be happy to get Tom Mitchell too and have another real crack at a flag next year.
A couple more quality mids would make a huge difference.
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If we can land a younger gun mid like Taranto then I’d be happy to get Tom Mitchell too and have another real crack at a flag next year.
A couple more quality mids would make a huge difference.
Willy, nice thought, but I get the feeling we are in for a long haul now. Hope I’m wrong.
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Ok so pass on Dunstan after today.....might win the odd clearance but won't solve our forward entry issues....makes Parker & Pickett look like Buckley & D.Jarman.... :help
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From Tiger71 on his BF podcast:
"We're gonna target a specific player in mind ...
We're looking at getting established talent in as reinforcement ...
We're backing our existing talent with the talent we bring in."
35 min mark: https://www.pscp.tv/w/1zqKVXqEMrmJB
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From Tiger71 on his BF podcast:
"We're gonna target a specific player in mind ...
We're looking at getting established talent in as reinforcement ...
We're backing our existing talent with the talent we bring in."
35 min mark: https://www.pscp.tv/w/1zqKVXqEMrmJB
Has this guy ever, even once proven to be right with his trade whispers?
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Only on stuff everyone else already knew.... :shh
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From Tiger71 on his BF podcast:
"We're gonna target a specific player in mind ...
We're looking at getting established talent in as reinforcement ...
We're backing our existing talent with the talent we bring in."
35 min mark: https://www.pscp.tv/w/1zqKVXqEMrmJB
LOL - Claimed Cerra was a lock to us the other week and Carlscum had been told no. Couldn't have been further from reality.
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Matthew Lloyd has named eight players who should consider moving on from their current clubs for greater opportunity.
Mabior Chol (Richmond)
“There’s no room for Tom Lynch, Toby Nankervis, Jack Riewoldt, Callum Coleman-Jones … so this man, Mabior Chol, I think Richmond has shown their hand that Coleman-Jones is their man.”
“I think (Chol) is more of a ruckman. I’d say $350,000, you’d get him cheap. He’s not getting a game.”
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Charlie Constable (Geelong)
Tom Lynch (Adelaide)
Mitch Wallis (Western Bulldogs)
Pat Lipinski (Western Bulldogs)
Ed Richards (Western Bulldogs)
Quinton Narkle (Geelong)
Sam Weideman (Melbourne)
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/08/16/lloyd-names-eight-players-who-should-consider-moving-clubs-for-greater/
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... Richmond (following David Astbury’s retirement) are others that may look at Daniel Talia, but he’d likely only be a depth player at those clubs with no guarantees on game time given their current key defensive personnel.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/08/16/the-clubs-that-daniel-talia-would-suit-in-2022/
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... Richmond (following David Astbury’s retirement) are others that may look at Daniel Talia, but he’d likely only be a depth player at those clubs with no guarantees on game time given their current key defensive personnel.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/08/16/the-clubs-that-daniel-talia-would-suit-in-2022/
Imo this is wrong. With Astbury retired it leaves us all asking the questions of. Is Ben Miller good enough and if not then two Kpd's are required. I reckon even if miller is good enough the list requires a mature back up and we need to chase a high quality youngster. The other thing is the only othe kpd of genuine height/size is Bigy Nyuon but he atm looks no where near it. Surely part of of our longer term planning allows for failed draft picks. Especially such late picks.
Our KPD stocks goes Balta, Miller and Nyuon with Grimes being forced to play the role if Miller does not come on. Thats very few eggs in one hell of an important role with two juniors who we have no idea if they will make it.
Talia as a delisted F/A an upgrade on Astbury if he is playing anywhere near his best and a short term solution while we develop the young highly promising kpd we take in the draft and allows Miller and Nyuon more development time if they prove worth keeping.
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I’d also pass on talia. Don’t wanna go down the path of recruiting almost 30s players rather than giving our kids valuable game time. Especially ones that have just missed an entire season.
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From Tiger71 on his BF podcast:
"We're gonna target a specific player in mind ...
We're looking at getting established talent in as reinforcement ...
We're backing our existing talent with the talent we bring in."
35 min mark: https://www.pscp.tv/w/1zqKVXqEMrmJB
LOL - Claimed Cerra was a lock to us the other week and Carlscum had been told no. Couldn't have been further from reality.
he never said Cerra was a lock, he said it’s either us or freo
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Tom Morris stating what we already knew on AFL Tonight.
- Gold Coast interested in CCJ.
- Rival clubs believe one of Chol or CCJ is gettable.
- Houli's future (to play on or retire) to be decided in the next couple of weeks.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/video/afl/afl-tonight/trade-talk-tigers-at-centre-of-intrigue!808257
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Talia is an obvious replacement now that Astbury has retired …. If his body is sound. Brian Lake won flags crossing over to the Hawks aged 31.
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Houli should retire. Mansell Rioli can do his role at half back now
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Reece Conca delisted by the Dockers. He was pick 6. This is why I think draft picks are overvalued in the marketplace. So many end up being busts.
Dylan Grimes was a PSD pick, then we draft the likes of Corey Ellis with a first rounder…
My point here is that I’m happy to trade our first rounders for proven quality young players.
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Reece Conca delisted by the Dockers. He was pick 6. This is why I think draft picks are overvalued in the marketplace. So many end up being busts.
Dylan Grimes was a PSD pick, then we draft the likes of Corey Ellis with a first rounder…
My point here is that I’m happy to trade our first rounders for proven quality young players.
Heppel, Prestia, Caddy and Lynch were the next 4 picks in the draft after Conca. Nothing wrong with our pick number we just picked the wrong kid.
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RICHMOND
“Callum Coleman-Jones, Gold Coast is just one of the clubs interested in him,” Morris said.
“The prevailing view for Coleman-Jones and Mabior Chol is that one of them is going to be gettable at the end of the year. Both out of contract, both key-position players — watch that space very closely.
“Bachar Houli wants to play on. Does he retire? That might be a decision for the next couple of weeks.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/st-kilda-saints/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-seb-ross-contract-st-kilda-free-agents-mabior-chol-callum-colemanjones/news-story/ef98213e627b42e5974e8a7d8e102025
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so chol goes, which isnt a big loss, then jack the year after leaving a 30 yr old lynch on his own.
good luck with that.
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Reece Conca delisted by the Dockers. He was pick 6. This is why I think draft picks are overvalued in the marketplace. So many end up being busts.
Dylan Grimes was a PSD pick, then we draft the likes of Corey Ellis with a first rounder…
My point here is that I’m happy to trade our first rounders for proven quality young players.
Heppel, Prestia, Caddy and Lynch were the next 4 picks in the draft after Conca. Nothing wrong with our pick number we just picked the wrong kid.
Conca was a massive reach and was considered as such by the wider AFL community at the time...........Hackson at his worst... :shh
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Reece Conca delisted by the Dockers. He was pick 6. This is why I think draft picks are overvalued in the marketplace. So many end up being busts.
Dylan Grimes was a PSD pick, then we draft the likes of Corey Ellis with a first rounder…
My point here is that I’m happy to trade our first rounders for proven quality young players.
Heppel, Prestia, Caddy and Lynch were the next 4 picks in the draft after Conca. Nothing wrong with our pick number we just picked the wrong kid.
Conca was a massive reach and was considered a such by the wider AFL community at the time.....Hackson at his worst... :shh
beat me to it.
The name Hackson was very prominent during that period, and for good reason.
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so chol goes, which isnt a big loss, then jack the year after leaving a 30 yr old lynch on his own.
good luck with that.
Or you know sometime in the next two years one/multiple of the following happens; CCJ develops into a very good key forward, we draft another key forward, we trade for a key forward, we pick up a free agent key forward
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so chol goes, which isnt a big loss, then jack the year after leaving a 30 yr old lynch on his own.
good luck with that.
Or you know sometime in the next two years one/multiple of the following happens; CCJ develops into a very good key forward, we draft another key forward, we trade for a key forward, we pick up a free agent key forward
i think if you followed my thoughts on CCJ, it was a doomsday scenario should he leave as well with Chol.
My post was based on him leaving as well, which i hope doesn't happen.
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so chol goes, which isnt a big loss, then jack the year after leaving a 30 yr old lynch on his own.
good luck with that.
Chol is a ruckman not a key forward. But i get where your coming from. We only have two GENUINE key forwards on the list and one is nearly 33 and the other is closing in on 30.
With Astbury retired the KPD stocks are not much better if one questions the viability of Miller and Nyuon. There,s only Balta with games behind him and Grimes could play there for us but ideally you want him playing as the third tall general.
so chol goes, which isnt a big loss, then jack the year after leaving a 30 yr old lynch on his own.
good luck with that.
Or you know sometime in the next two years one/multiple of the following happens; CCJ develops into a very good key forward, we draft another key forward, we trade for a key forward, we pick up a free agent key forward
Imo we need two of those scenarios to happen and one of them has to happen this year if not two.
Reckon CC-J is more a ruckman than a forward. If we want the best out of him thats where we need to play and develop him. again just my opinion. So for me that rules him out.
Draft a key forward is the way to go and not at pick 100000 but with a decent pick targeting a quality junior. If one is available then that is the way we go then we need to do it asap as we all know it takes time and games to get the big blokes to where you need em even good ones.
Likely scenario is by the time the recruit starts hitting his straps, that is if he even makes it, Riewoldt and Lynch will be gone and we are in the same boat we are now.
Would in the meantime like to see us take a F/A if available even an older one to cover for injury in the short term allowing any juniors we take time to develop in the two's.
Trading for a Genuine key forward is exorbitant and would cut us out of a draft almost. and we need to stay active at the draft table imo over the next few seasons. Simple reason is so many of our better players are coming to the end.
Looking 4 years down the track we really need to start building our GENUINE kpp stocks now. If we are honest right at the moment there is only one quality young tall kpp coming thru and thats Balta.
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I’d also pass on talia. Don’t wanna go down the path of recruiting almost 30s players rather than giving our kids valuable game time. Especially ones that have just missed an entire season.
What kids would that be.
There is only Miller who could not even crack a game this year and Nyuon who is no where near ready. Surely people are asking the obvious question here of are either going to be good enough.
As for Garthwaite he is not kpd size and is a poor excuse for a third tall. He should be delisted imo.
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I’d also pass on talia. Don’t wanna go down the path of recruiting almost 30s players rather than giving our kids valuable game time. Especially ones that have just missed an entire season.
What kids would that be.
There is only Miller who could not even crack a game this year and Nyuon who is no where near ready. Surely people are asking the obvious question here of are either going to be good enough.
As for Garthwaite he is not kpd size and is a poor excuse for a third tall. He should be delisted imo.
Well the 2 you mentioned for a start + any others that we may draft this year. We also do have grimes, balta, broad and at a push Vlas. I just don’t see the logic in people who wanted astbury to retire at age 30 to then wanna recruit a 29 year old who missed all of this last season with injury to replace him.
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I agree that we need to bring in more KPD's but I don't want some washed up hack like Talia who we'll be de-listing after a year. I'd rather draft a kid(s) who will need time to develop, just like Miller & Biggy are doing now. I'd rather invest in youth than try to patch holes, we all know patching holes with more patches & creating even more holes just doesn't work.
Bring on the kids! :cheers
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My humble opinion is you only recruit players who are top 10 players who are mid 20’s or younger if your giving up draft picks. As mentioned by someone , if a player comes in to plug a hole for a year means you have the same problem in a year or two and you don’t develop young players or they start looking elsewhere. The exception who be a Hodge type when you only have kids.
We have a good hand this year and we should use it to bring a whole lot of players at the same age group and development stage into the club, I hope I’m wrong but we may have to do a bit of a rebuild in the next few years
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From the Big Footy podcast trade show tonight...make of it all what you will....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOtXimY_G78
:shh
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Don't wanna listen.
What's it say?
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Don't wanna listen.
What's it say?
Plan A - Hopper, Plan B - Green
at the end T71 put his balls on the line and said if we dont get green this year then 💯 we’ll get him next year.
Also said 80% Narkle , and 60% for Lipinski/Wallis
Said both chol & CCJ gone
1st round picks we’ll get midfielder and defender in the draft
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Thats not putting his balls on the line. That is putting 12 months on top of his call so people forget he ever said it
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If there's any merit to it then it sounds like the club wants to have a crack at another flag
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Thats not putting his balls on the line. That is putting 12 months on top of his call so people forget he ever said it
"Tom Green will end up a Richmond at some point in the future..." is not really that big of a call anyway....:shh :shh
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From the Big Footy podcast trade show tonight...make of it all what you will....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOtXimY_G78
:shh
Summary:
- We're going to regenerate our midfield.
- We're keen on trading for an inside mid, a winger and a small forward.
- Likely to trade in two players and then hit the draft hard.
- We'll pick up a mid and a defender with our first two picks in the draft.
- We've "hid" a kid that is a first rounder but we'll pick him up with a second rounder.
- No trading our top 10 first round pick.
- Hoping to move up the draft using our other late first rounder and later 2nd or 3rd rounder. Other clubs need the draft points.
- Happy to trade our future 2022 first rounder as there's a belief we will bounce back hard.
- Still not out of the Cerra race but he would have to accept less than what others are offering. Hardwick has met with Cerra twice. If we could get Cerra with a future first rounder + one of this year's 3rd rounders we would do it.
- Having said that he doesn't think Cerra will end up at Richmond as we are more interested in shaking the GWS tree now that Josh Kelly has re-signed on a big contract.
- We've interested in Hopper. Willing to offer a first round pick. Other clubs looking at him too. Hopper is plan A. Green is plan B.
- Green is a "lock". If we don't get him this year then we'll get him next year. We've offered a first rounder.
- Narkle: 80% chance. Demographically can put on size. Inconsistent but can be developed. Believe he'll be like Stack or Bolton where he will be better for us at AFL level than VFL level. Not going to cost us much. Surprised if he doesn't pick us.
- Wallis: 60% chance. Name won't go away. A bridge until our younger mids step up. Elite inside/contested ballwinner. Yes he has weaknesses but he's elite at his one wood. Won't cost must either.
- Lipinski: 60% chance. Tracting him if we miss out on Cerra. We like his outside work and would develop him as a wing. Nice penetrating kick.
- Billings: Heard we're interested but not confirmed by his "main guy". Watch this space. Hardwick loves him/that type. We'd play him as a small forward. Depends if he comes cheap.
- Lochie O'Brien: name has been mentioned a couple of times. We think Carlton has botched his development. He was an early pick. We'd turn him into a winger.
- Taranto is a no. He'll stay at GWS.
- Mitchell is a no. Hawthorn would have to accept a 3rd rounder plus pay 80% of his salary. Not realistic.
- Matt Crouch: we've got the call in but if he's like his brother he'll chase the money. He also checked out of the Crows this year so that's a red flag.
- Talia: body broken. Not bringing in a 30 y.o. unless he's absolute gun. Club believes we have developing backs. Target backs in the draft not the trade table.
- Constable: no nothing.
- Dan Rioli is not going anywhere.
- Caddy had things going on this year that Tiger71 wouldn't mention. He's contracted for 2022 so don't be surprised if he plays 18 games next year. However, we're open to trading Caddy. If Hopper comes to Punt Rd then Caddy should be nervous.
- Coleman-Jones 90% gone. Going to GWS. Brisbane, Essendon and Geelong have also looked at him. Like to keep him but we can't match other club's offers.
- Chol going to Gold Coast.
- Cumberland not being delisted.
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How do we keep our top 10 pick and get Hopper or Green?
Could only do it if we use next year's first or CCJ
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How do we keep our top 10 pick and get Hopper or Green?
Could only do it if we use next year's first or CCJ
CCJ might want to go.
At a minimum I think it would take 2 firsts + CCJ, probably more.
If we aren't trading our first pick this year, and are hoping to upgrade #17, then it sorta looks impossible.
Personally I'd offer our first 2 picks this year + CCJ and see what they say.
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if ccj goes we are stuffed, mark my words.
the only caveat to that is if we get greene in the process.
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The kid we’re trying to hide is Zac Taylor.
Not so much trying to hide him, just hoping we get get him with a late second round pic.
Watch this space………
Zac Taylor (Calder Cannons)
180cm/74kg | Midfielder
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I prefer to go to draft and use the picks we have.
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Another small. Great...
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Wallis & Billings cheap I could live with...big pass on Lapinksi & Narkle....Hopper sounds like pipe dream(he's from NSW for a start) and can't see how we get Green next year if we're trading future high picks (he will get here eventually though)...can't see Cerra happening and don't want him now anyway unless Green or Hopper were coming too.... :shh
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I would be keen on lipinski , young with great skills, l would be disappointed if Coleman Jones and Chol both went, especially Coleman Jones
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Lipinski is slow as treacle..another Danny Meyer or a Tom Hislop with better skills ...but Sam Mitchell or Diesel he ain't... :shh
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Not one of those names excited me that a realistic.No to Billings to.Dream on club will loose Chol and CCJ if that's the case stupidity.
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Billings would be a massive upgrade on either of the Aarse/Cantkickit comedy duo....can play in midfield as well...was generally considered to be St.Kilda's best young player not that long ago and is still young enough to recapture that form...as they say in the classics- form is temporary, talent is permanent.... :shh
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Billings would be a massive upgrade on either of the Aarse/Cantkickit comedy duo....can play in midfield as well...was generally considered to be St.Kilda's best young player not that long ago and is still young enough to recapture that form...as they say in the classics- form is temporary, talent is permanent.... :shh
Billings likely to sign on with St Kilda.
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Yeah probably...not that fussed about it tbh...just prefer him to most of the other names mentioned if they're the options we're looking at...as I've said a few times, never rated the source of the info..... :shh
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From the Herald-Sun:
ADAM Cerra is set to play his last game at Fremantle this weekend, with the pull of family to be his reason for moving back to Melbourne.
Cerra and partner Claudia, who is this year finishing a four-year degree, have barely seen their families through Covid and are understood to be keen to return home.
Claudia can continue further study over in Perth but despite his love of the club and the future it is building it is likely his best chance to get back to Melbourne.
Many players in Cerra’s position were able to catch up with family and friends in previous years when they flew in for Melbourne games but this year players have mostly been quarantined and borders have been shut to relatives.
There is no doubt he has enjoyed Justin Longmuir’s coaching style in preference to Ross Lyon’s more extroverted manner.
But the Herald Sun understands it would not be an impediment to him landing at Carlton next year if Lyon was the coach of the Blues.
Carlton would automatically slot in a mature midfielder with exceptional kicking skills but the Blues would again have to give away their top-10 pick.
They would attempt to split it to hand the Dockers a later first-rounder but securing a 21-year-old with 76 games under his belt and huge upside would mean Fremantle would play hard ball.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/moneyball-all-the-latest-in-afl-trades-and-player-movement/news-story/039f6c385b309c1f2ccd1490d0844aa0
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From the Herald-Sun:
ADAM Cerra is set to play his last game at Fremantle this weekend, with the pull of family to be his reason for moving back to Melbourne.
Cerra and partner Claudia, who is this year finishing a four-year degree, have barely seen their families through Covid and are understood to be keen to return home.
Claudia can continue further study over in Perth but despite his love of the club and the future it is building it is likely his best chance to get back to Melbourne.
Many players in Cerra’s position were able to catch up with family and friends in previous years when they flew in for Melbourne games but this year players have mostly been quarantined and borders have been shut to relatives.
There is no doubt he has enjoyed Justin Longmuir’s coaching style in preference to Ross Lyon’s more extroverted manner.
But the Herald Sun understands it would not be an impediment to him landing at Carlton next year if Lyon was the coach of the Blues.
Carlton would automatically slot in a mature midfielder with exceptional kicking skills but the Blues would again have to give away their top-10 pick.
They would attempt to split it to hand the Dockers a later first-rounder but securing a 21-year-old with 76 games under his belt and huge upside would mean Fremantle would play hard ball.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/moneyball-all-the-latest-in-afl-trades-and-player-movement/news-story/039f6c385b309c1f2ccd1490d0844aa0
Much prefer him to come to us than Carlton.
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Shame that Hopper to Richmond rumour is most likely complete b.s....if it only was C42yadoor posting them and not tiger71.... :shh
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The rumour before the season was Paddy Dow would join his brother at Richmond for a Future Pick.
https://twitter.com/Swiz26/status/1428990704722710529
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Cerra has quit Freo but he hasn't nominated a Victorian club.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/670245/freo-gun-wants-out-former-no-5-pick-requests-trade-to-victoria
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Sam Edmund is linking us to Talia.
Daniel Talia (Adelaide)
“Daniel Talia is going to be a really interesting watch, I don’t know if Richmond is across the line by any stretch of the imagination yet.
“Essendon might’ve been sounded at as well as to whether they’ve got an interest.
“He’s certainly good enough to go around again, but you’d have to be in the window (in premiership contention).
"Richmond tick that box, Essendon is playing finals this year and they’ve got Patrick Ambrose retired, Michael Hurley no guarantees, Cale Hooker is gone … so could he fit at Essendon.”
Patrick Lipinski (Western Bulldogs)
“Pat Lipinski will leave the Dogs, but at the moment it’s hard to find a home for him right now and a lot of clubs are unsure.
“He’s too good for the VFL, but is he good enough for the AFL? Does he sit in that awkward sweet spot if you like, he uses it well but does he have the leg speed?
“That’s the other thing right now, speed is everything, every list manager you speak to, no one wants a player who doesn’t have speed, who can’t cover the ground, speed is an absolute priority right now and if you don’t have it, it’s hard to find a suitor for them.”
Mitch Wallis (Western Bulldogs)
“Mitch Wallis has been frozen out of the Dogs and we know that.
“I’m hearing it actually might’ve really strained some relationships there at Whitten Oval between player and coach when it comes to Mitch Wallis, who is the vice-captain, who has been completely shut out of the Dogs this year.”
Jack Gunston (Hawthorn)
“Lots of smoke around Jack Gunston, he’s very much an Alastair Clarkson man and a lot of clubs … they have definitely come calling for Jack Gunston to see if they can use what’s happened at Hawthorn as leverage to get him out,” Edmund said on SEN’s Whateley.
“He is contracted but that back injury has definitely scared a few clubs off, that’s not something you want to muck around with, especially for someone who’s well paid like Jack Gunston, that has certainly scared a few off.
“But I reckon it’s a watch this space going forward for sure.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/08/24/sam-edmunds-trade-update-on-gunston-chol-wallis-and-more/
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Cerra has quit Freo but he hasn't nominated a Victorian club.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/670245/freo-gun-wants-out-former-no-5-pick-requests-trade-to-victoria
Tom Morris saying Cerra has nominated Carlton.
https://twitter.com/tommorris32/status/1430008540077326336
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I trust the club but wonder if we might regret the club chasing him a bit harder?
Time will tell I suppose!!
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Sam Edmund:
"Carlton still haven't spoken with Adam Cerra, which might be extraordinary for some to hear.
"What's become clear is that he's run out of options. It's the Blues or bust. Other clubs that are interested don't have the draft capital."
https://twitter.com/WhateleySEN/status/1429968711968989193
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Cerra: Carlton the only real option given Richmond happy to go to the draft.
https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1430009452766187520
Bulldogs have tabled a three-year contract offer to Patrick Lipinski as the young midfielder weighs interest from Carlton and Collingwood. Sydney has also shown interest.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/670255/hard-running-dog-ponders-new-deal-as-two-vic-rivals-circle
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Sam Edmund says that he believes Richmond don't want to use their pick 7 so that's why they're not interested.
That is exactly what I have heard. Lazy pretend jurnos because of that have said we have gone cold. rubbish. There is a trade period for a reason. If we can satisfy freo while keeping pick 7 I think we can do a deal. Lot still to play out imo
Tiger71: https://twitter.com/Tiger7192926603/status/1430026910482894852
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Doesn't sound like Hopper wants out of GWS.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/08/24/gun-giants-midfielder-gives-contract-update/
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Balmey said he spoke to Blair Hartley yesterday and we're happy to go to the draft with six picks inside the top 45 as although these kids won't do much for us next year it will be handy to have them as our older champs retire over the next 2-3 years.
Balmey added the caveat that if a situation arises where someone who we really like becomes available then we'll also be happy to bundle up a few of those picks together to get a deal done.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1007742/talking-tigers-episode-25-2021
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Doesn't sound like Hopper wants out of GWS.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/08/24/gun-giants-midfielder-gives-contract-update/
Never did... :shh
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Balmey said he spoke to Blair Hartley yesterday and we're happy to go to the draft with six picks inside the top 45 as although these kids won't do much for us next year it will be handy to have them as our older champs retire over the next 2-3 years.
Balmey added the caveat that if a situation arises where someone who we really like becomes available then we'll also be happy to bundle up a few of those picks together to get a deal done.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1007742/talking-tigers-episode-25-2021
Happy with that :gotigers.
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Let's just go to the draft, I am excited to see who we can get in the top 40.
Draft & develop, the alternative just costs too much in financials & draft picks.
Top up with free agents for depth and Tahlia & Wallis would be 2 I would look at.
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Dunstan delisted.... :shh
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A lot of tier 4️⃣ areas about this one:
JACOB HOPPER is "gettable". Both the Tigers and Hawks interested.
Source tier = 4️⃣
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElYjUY7WMAESOia?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/RankerAfl/status/1430447331510415361
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Happy for us to go all in on Hopper.
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I'm still extremely skeptical Hopper is even on the table but if it is true and we go off the Treloar trade last year then if it's a salary dump we might be able to get him for slight unders - Dogs gave up pick 14 and a future second but also got picks 26, 33 & 42 back...not sure if GWS would be quite that desperate though...plus Treloar was 4 years older than Hopper is and had/has a history of injuries... :shh
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Josh Battle anyone? :shh
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Josh Battle anyone? :shh
Yep definitely for the right price, can play both ends
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Would be a great utilty/back up defender
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Post on BF's trade board about Quinton Narkle:
Literally posted in here months ago.
Deal done with RFC and was laughed at.
Confirmed again by Cats marketing member 2 weeks ago.
Something massive would need to change.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/quinton-narkle.1270477/post-71811876
Geelong supporter saying a future 3rd will get the deal done.
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Would anyone consider trading 28, 40 & 44 to WB for 14?
Gives them 300 points for a Darcy bid.
We go to the draft with 7, 14, 16 and 26. All likely to slide down 2 spots.
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Would anyone consider trading 28, 40 & 44 to WB for 14?
Gives them 300 points for a Darcy bid.
We go to the draft with 7, 14, 16 and 26. All likely to slide down 2 spots.
Yes, as long as they give us 69 also
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Would anyone consider trading 28, 40 & 44 to WB for 14?
Gives them 300 points for a Darcy bid.
We go to the draft with 7, 14, 16 and 26. All likely to slide down 2 spots.
Yep. Like it.
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Main problem is figuring out what 'points' are worth to a club like WB.
Darcy is predicted to be bid on at about #3 so with a 20% discount the Dogs would need about 1,788 points.
We would be helping them get there but they still won't have enough.
Might need to involve their future 2nd and our #26.
So could be more like:
RFC 26 + 28 + 40 (1,835) for WB 14 + 2022 2nd (#31 if they finish 5th again).
And we hit draft with 7, 14, 16, 44.
Then next year have 2x second rounders.
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Would anyone consider trading 28, 40 & 44 to WB for 14?
Gives them 300 points for a Darcy bid.
We go to the draft with 7, 14, 16 and 26. All likely to slide down 2 spots.
Yes, as long as they give us 69 also
The draft pick 69?
If not then no thanks.
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Let's not help any other club out unless we get a clear benefit this year
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Still not convinced but anyway....
(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/attachments/screen-shot-2021-08-27-at-3-08-26-pm-png.1218460/)
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=3646101235614107&id=1617461091811475
:shh
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Anyone for Weitering? ;D
I’m told the relationship between Sayers and Weitering is close to unsalvageable.
This is massive watch with #AFLTrades season around the corner.
https://twitter.com/AFLTradeWhisper/status/1431048646515073032
As reported here on Monday, several key Blues players want out of the club due to Carlton’s handling of Teague.
https://twitter.com/AFLTradeWhisper/status/1430802372968685570
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Well he is ugly enough. Almost shades Castagna.
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Trade Whisperer is a notorious troll account..... :shh
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Tom Browne on Ch 7 said he's spoken to someone from GWS and Hopper will re-sign with the Giants in 2-3 weeks.
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Jesse Hogan would have been handy this year.
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Jesse Hogan would have been handy this year.
In what way taking games from CCJ.
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Winning games
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HOLD THAT THOUGHT:
Quinton Narkle will play for a different club next year, and he was tipped to join Richmond with good mate Shai Bolton, but there’s a twist
Essendon, North, Carlton and Fremantle have offered a significantly better deal that’s just been passed down to his manager Ralph Carr, and this has somewhat made Quinton re-think his options
Extra money and extra years on that offer from the above clubs
https://www.facebook.com/AFLinsider/posts/165950849003066
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Good. His ordinary.
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:cheers :cheers :cheers
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COMING HOME?
West coast youngster Jarrod Brander looks set to return home to Vic in 2022, with west coast yet to offer him a deal
His manager has wasted no time making sure he has a home next year
North Melbourne, Carlton, Essendon, Richmond and Hawthorn are all showing interest in the 22 year old
https://www.facebook.com/AFLinsider/posts/167085448889606
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COMING HOME?
West coast youngster Jarrod Brander looks set to return home to Vic in 2022, with west coast yet to offer him a deal
His manager has wasted no time making sure he has a home next year
North Melbourne, Carlton, Essendon, Richmond and Hawthorn are all showing interest in the 22 year old
https://www.facebook.com/AFLinsider/posts/167085448889606
#13 pick in 2017. 195cm, 92kg. 22 career games to date including 11 this season. Big-bodied Mid/Forward. Only 22 yo.
Worth looking at you'd have to say?
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God no...even spuds it up in the WAFL...would be even worse than getting Narkle.... :facepalm
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No from me too
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Port fan on BF regarding Hopper:
"He’s heading to a VIC club from what ive heard?"
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/jacob-hopper.1266497/post-71891611
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From Collingwood's BF forum:
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Adams...gun but too old now and starting to rack up the injuries.. :shh
Moore....maybe but another who's injury prone.... :shh :shh
De Goey.......hmmm...him & Dusty in the same side ... :shh :shh :shh
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Adams...gun but too old now and starting to rack up the injuries.. :shh
Moore....maybe but another who's injury prone.... :shh :shh
De Goey.......hmmm...him & Dusty in the same side ... :shh :shh :shh
He's almost 28 haha.
If his body wasn't injury prone you could expect 3-5 years out of him.
De Goey and Moore would be amazing.
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For the price & picks Adams would cost 28 is too old... :shh
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Taylor Adams will be the next Captain of the Pies
He won't be leaving
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The more I think about it the more I just want to go to the draft and get our next generation of players.
I do also like the idea of going after GC pick 4 by using 7 and something else (player or other pick) and bringing in another first rounder somehow.
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Moore would be an inspired get.
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These players would cost you 2 first rounders and put us back years, they we will be around for 5 years and we would have a big hole when they leave. I hope we invest in the draft because there’s little chance Collingwood going to take unders.
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These players would cost you 2 first rounders and put us back years, they we will be around for 5 years and we would have a big hole when they leave. I hope we invest in the draft because there’s little chance Collingwood going to take unders.
Unless they have another fire sale due to cap issues.
Moore down back with Balta, Grimes, Vlastuin, Broad, Rioli and Mansell would be insanely good.
De Goey and Dusty could just swap between deep forward and midfield so they never even need to come off the bloody ground.
If the club thinks we have another flag in the list I'm happy for them to sell the farm to win it. Even if it means another 5 years extra in the wilderness later.
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Rivals urged to chase Bulldogs ruck Tim English.
https://www.zerohanger.com/afl-trade-news-rivals-urged-to-chase-bulldogs-tall-89778/
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I would consider Darcy Moore for a 1st round pick and a non essential player.
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Two-time St Kilda best-and-fairest winner Seb Ross could be playing football elsewhere in 2022 with the midfielder yet to sign a new deal at Moorabbin.
The 28-year-old unrestricted free agent is currently uncontracted for 2022 but has been offered a two-year deal by the Saints with triggers for a third season.
Ross is believed be exploring his options on the market before deciding on whether to recommit to St Kilda.
The midfielder has played 160 games for the Saints since making his debut in 2012, winning the club's best-and-fairest award in 2017 and 2019.
https://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/news/afl-2021-trade-news-and-rumours-swans-star-parker-linked-to-two-clubs/1rhwp0xoai887zxxa5m6d4i8w
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DUMPED CROW A ‘PERFECT FIT’ FOR TIGERS
Daniel Talia’s hopes of receiving an AFL lifeline have received a boost with a handful of clubs — including Richmond — considering offering the former Adelaide defender a chance in 2022.
Talia, who turns 30 in October, was told by the Crows earlier this month that he wouldn’t get a new deal after knee and foot injuries kept him out for the entire season.
The one-time AFL Rising Star would still need to prove that his body was right to keep playing at the highest level.
But he is confident he has “more years left” and is getting on top of his issues, with his management fielding some early interest from clubs.
The surprise retirement of triple premiership defender David Astbury could potentially open the door for Talia at Richmond, with Fox Footy’s Jordan Lewis saying recently that the Tigers would be a perfect fit.
The Tigers will get Noah Balta back next season, but Talia could provide some extra insurance if he can overcome the injury doubts.
“From a Daniel Talia point of view, with the Astbury retirement, it seems to be a perfect fit if they wanted someone to strengthen their backine,” Lewis said on SEN recently. “To be a ready-made player and a lot of experience to give them another shot at the flag next year.”
Essendon could be another club looking for defensive cover after spending part of 2021 experimenting with its backline set-up.
Michael Hurley will return next season — potentially as a forward — after a debilitating hip infection left him on the sidelines for the entire season. Cake Hooker has retired.
St Kilda might also be in the market for an experienced defender following the retirement of James Frawley after his comeback was cut short by injury issues.
Talia would come cheap for a club prepared to take a chance on a footballer who was one of the game’s best defenders at his peak.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/moneyball-follow-all-the-latest-trade-contract-draft-and-coach-news-across-the-afl/news-story/929c5cdecf65c2d78384a868f38af62f
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Would just be a sideways move with Astbury gone... :shh
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As if the Scraggers would let English go....Fatchison talking out of his fat arse and acting like the AFL is some crap seppo league as usual... :shh
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Used car salesmen? Fortunately, I learned long ago to always kick the tyres ... & don't sign anything .... :-\
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So apparently Wimpley and Sam "Balme to Adelaide" Edmund said on SEN that CCJ is a "lock" to Norf..... :shh
EDIT: Turns out they were just reading out a text from some nuffy listener... :santa
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Jacob Hopper will sign a two-year deal at GWS as early as this week in a major boost for the club.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/department-of-trade/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-george-hewett-matt-crouch-free-agent-trent-dumont-seb-ross-luke-dunstan/news-story/8d5cc73884da83ad8adb930978feb2de
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SAM EDMUND’S TRADE UPDATE ON SEN
Tom Green (GWS)
(Regarding a text suggesting Green to Richmond).
“He’s contracted for another few years (until 2023), he signed an extension (in 2020).
“That would be an almighty pickup and one from left-field for the Tigers.”
Daniel Talia (Adelaide - delisted)
“I wonder if Richmond will make an official offer to Daniel Talia, it does make a lot of sense given the retirements of David Astbury and Bachar Houli to a lesser extent and it would take some pressure off Noah Balta.”
Quinton Narkle (Geelong)
“It’s been the whisper for some time, he’s got the same manager as Shai Bolton, the two are pretty tight.
“I’m not sure if there’s a lot of interest in Quinton Narkle elsewhere... there’s concerns over the knee and his ability to spread but he’s clearly good enough at the level and he hasn’t had a clean run at it at Geelong, so Richmond have long been rightly or wrongly put up there as the new home for him.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/09/01/sam-edmunds-trade-update-on-parker-hewett-narkle-and-more/
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Tom Morris' live trade chat today:
Q: Tigers themed - possibility of having Talia, Narkle & Tom Greene at the club next year?
Morris: I would be surprised if Green was anywhere but GWS. Other two a chance!
Q: What happened to Mitchell to Richmond, is that still going around Tom ?
Morris: Don't rule it out! Sam Mitchell is a fan of Tom so might not happen this year.
Q: Is Cerra to carlton a done deal or will hawks or Richmond make a play
Morris: Not done until it's done. But looks like it's heading that way for sure. Nobody else can afford him or offer the right picks in return, though the Dees did have interest at one point.
https://go.arena.im/chat/fox-sports-australia/gukd
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Very hard to get clarity out of Sydney on exact numbers but rivals say Luke Parker has only been offered two years on $500K. He is 29 in December but if he can get 4 by $700K elsewhere he would have leave. $1.8m more of guaranteed money if he can get that deal.
https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1432920542198198272
Tom Morris on AFL Tonight said the list managers he has spoken to are noting there's a glut of inside midfielders available in this upcoming trade period.
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I'd consider 3 years. 4 years for him I dunno... Gun player though. Has really stepped it up with his contract coming up.
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That is an absolute pass for me. Too slow and is not what we need.
Wouldn’t even give him 1 year.
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CERRA TO MEET MULTIPLE VICTORIAN CLUBS
Adam Cerra has started meeting with Melbourne-based clubs this week, with the 21-year-old expected to have preliminary conversations with at least two clubs in addition to Carlton.
The Blues remain the frontrunners to win Cerra's signature during the Continental Tyres AFL Trade Period, but it is understood the classy midfielder has not closed the door on other options after requesting a move from Fremantle after four seasons.
Cerra, who wants to see the Dockers compensated fairly, remains in Perth and is meeting via video call with those clubs that may have both the salary cap space and trade assets to eventually do a deal.
Carlton is a clear frontrunner to secure Cerra, given its pick No.6 in the NAB AFL Draft and ability to get close to the lucrative deal that Fremantle tabled earlier this year.
The Dockers are prioritising draft selections in exchange for the midfielder, who finished third in their best and fairest last season and is expected to again poll well.
The club is not expected to chase Carlton pair Zac Fisher or Sam Petrevski-Seton as part of any trade.
SUNS' PICK UP FOR GRABS
GOLD Coast will consider trading its prized No.3 pick for multiple early selections with an even top end of the draft looming.
The club is open to potentially 'splitting' its top pick for a package of picks which would allow it to grab a couple of highly rated players within the first round.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/673366/cerra-meets-with-clubs-young-tiger-weighs-offer-eagle-staying-put
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STRONG PULL:
The pull from Richmond is becoming more and more enticing for Quinton Narkle, despite receiving better offers from rival clubs.
The money and years are longer elsewhere, but the chance to play with close mate Shai Bolton could be the catalyst to get him over the line and make him a tiger.
https://www.facebook.com/AFLinsider/posts/169352061996278
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ADAM CERRA to meet with Essendon, North, St Kilda and Richmond.
Source tier = 3️⃣
#AFLTrades #AFLTrade
https://twitter.com/RankerAfl/status/1433216769586511874
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"The Tigers have a fair amount of love for Daniel Talia, and they're not the only ones," Nine News' Josh Money revealed.
"Several clubs have sounded him out, the two considered most interested are Richmond and Geelong.
https://www.zerohanger.com/afl-trade-news-tigers-among-several-clubs-eyeing-delisted-crow-89896/
Daniel Talia may have found a new home at one of the Crows biggest rivals. @joshmoney__ #9News (Adelaide)
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/other/Talia-9newsAdelaide.png)
Watch here: https://twitter.com/9NewsAdel/status/1432997114200662016
(https://twitter.com/9NewsAdel/status/1432997114200662016)
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I trust the club to do due diligence re: medical assessment
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Nothing to consider. If he wants to continue playing it's an easy decision. Sign on old man :clapping
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Would think Garthwaite would now definitely be surplus to needs
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Tom Morris on AFL Tonight said the list managers he has spoken to are noting there's a glut of inside midfielders available in this upcoming trade period.
(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/attachments/1630544868515-png.1223816/)
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Would think Garthwaite would now definitely be surplus to needs
I would thank Gath for his time anyway. Gave it his best shot.
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Nothing to consider. If he wants to continue playing it's an easy decision. Sign on old man :clapping
Agree
Fills a need if 9nly as a back up
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OPEN TO ALL OPTIONS:
Widely tipped to Join Carlton by the general media, we have gotten word he [Cerra] has done a medical and zoom tour of the Richmond and hawthorn facilities.
Very juicy indeed, stay tuned.
https://www.facebook.com/AFLinsider/posts/169817865283031
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OPEN TO ALL OPTIONS:
Widely tipped to Join Carlton by the general media, we have gotten word he [Cerra] has done a medical and zoom tour of the Richmond and hawthorn facilities.
Very juicy indeed, stay tuned.
https://www.facebook.com/AFLinsider/posts/169817865283031
This is false
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OPEN TO ALL OPTIONS:
Widely tipped to Join Carlton by the general media, we have gotten word he [Cerra] has done a medical and zoom tour of the Richmond and hawthorn facilities.
Very juicy indeed, stay tuned.
https://www.facebook.com/AFLinsider/posts/169817865283031
This is false
Go on...
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Richmond wouldn't be offering 700K nor is he worth that coin
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OPEN TO ALL OPTIONS:
Widely tipped to Join Carlton by the general media, we have gotten word he [Cerra] has done a medical and zoom tour of the Richmond and hawthorn facilities.
Very juicy indeed, stay tuned.
https://www.facebook.com/AFLinsider/posts/169817865283031
This is false
Go on...
We haven't even spoken to him and are not likely too Source: Tier 1 (inside club)
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Sounds like Judd is back in town.
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OPEN TO ALL OPTIONS:
Widely tipped to Join Carlton by the general media, we have gotten word he [Cerra] has done a medical and zoom tour of the Richmond and hawthorn facilities.
Very juicy indeed, stay tuned.
https://www.facebook.com/AFLinsider/posts/169817865283031
This is false
Go on...
We haven't even spoken to him and are not likely too Source: Tier 1 (inside club)
Thanks for sharing.
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ADAM CERRA to meet with Essendon, North, St Kilda and Richmond.
Source tier = 3️⃣
#AFLTrades #AFLTrade
https://twitter.com/RankerAfl/status/1433216769586511874
Lol a tier 1000 passing on information from one of his ‘tier 3’ source so what does that make the overall rumour?
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Used car salesmen? Fortunately, I learned long ago to always kick the tyres ... & don't sign anything .... :-\
:lol :rollin
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Patrick Lipinski will request a trade from the Western Bulldogs to either Collingwood or Carlton later this month, according to the Herald Sun.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/09/03/report-fringe-bulldog-to-request-trade-to-one-of-two-victorian-clubs/
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Anyone here tempted by this?
SUNS PREPARED TO SPLIT FOR MORE EARLY PICKS
The Gold Coast Suns are prepared to ‘split’ their prized first-round pick for multiple early draft selections, reports AFL Media.
Foxfooty.com.au reported in June the Suns were willing to offer their natural first draft selection — which has ended up being Pick 3 — to rival clubs during the trade period.
At that stage, the flagged move was a bid to help them lure an experienced rival player — preferably a key forward to partner Ben King — to the club.
At this stage, Richmond, Brisbane and the Giants all hold two first-round picks in this year’s national draft.
With draft experts believing the early part of the 2021 draft pool is relatively even, the Suns could trade Pick 3 away to a rival club with several first-round selections yet was keen to move up the draft order.
Not only do the Suns currently hold Pick 3, they also have Picks 19 and 22, with the first selection part of the assistance package they received from the AFL after the 2019 season, which saw them finish on the bottom of the ladder with just three wins.
However the AFL is now reportedly reviewing that start-of-first-round draft selection.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/adelaide-crows/afl-news-2021-latest-trades-trade-whispers-out-of-contract-players-state-of-play-free-agents-nick-daicos-collingwood-magpies-gold-coast-suns-matt-crouch-future-adelaide-crows/news-story/b2c94de354dc1272d0cceba4715f0c26?recommendedCount=0
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If the cats lose, 9 and 14 for 3 and 22?
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I think u are getting your picks mixed up
Including the 2 F/S
It would be pick 9 and 16 for pick 5 and 24
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Isnt the rating that the top 4 picks are stanouts then it is relatively even through to 30??
If that is the case then why give up 2 first rounders just to move to first pick of the even group?.
Rather have more picks in top 20 not less
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I think u are getting your picks mixed up
Including the 2 F/S
It would be pick 9 and 16 for pick 5 and 24
11 and 16?
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Adelaide coach Matthew Nicks admits he is concerned about whether the club can re-sign midfielder Matthew Crouch.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/09/03/adelaide-coach-admits-concern-in-attempts-to-re-sign-all-australian/
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Reckon GWS might be into CCJ after tonight...straight swap for Tom Green.... :shh
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Reckon GWS might be into CCJ after tonight...straight swap for Tom Green.... :shh
It's an indictment on that club that Mumford is still their best/only genuine ruck option.
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Adelaide's Matt Crouch has been wiped off the list of available restricted free agents after committing to a new two-year deal to remain with the Crows.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/674185/off-the-market-star-free-agent-re-signs-with-crows
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Reckon GWS might be into CCJ after tonight...straight swap for Tom Green.... :shh
Id do that deal.
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Unfortunately don't think Giants do.
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Need to keep CCJ and Chol IMHO
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Sam Edmund has outlined the current trade and free agency scenario at Hawthorn, saying the club wants to keep both Jack Gunston and Tom Mitchell, but were “more inclined” to let the latter explore his options.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/09/04/no-guarantees-future-of-two-experienced-hawks-up-in-the-air/
North Melbourne is facing delicate negotiations with two of its star veterans as it plots another off-season of change. Captain Jack Ziebell and Robbie Tarrant remain out of contract as unrestricted free agents.
Shaun Atley and Tom Campbell have been told to wait on any new contracts, while Trent Dumont is in the shop window as an unrestricted free agent.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/09/04/north-melbourne-facing-delicate-contract-negotiations-with-several-star/
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When do Richmond confirm narkle is joining them
They won’t, because at this stage, he’s not… #AskTheWhisp
https://twitter.com/AFLTradeWhisper/status/1434060807889817603
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The Trade Whisperer. Has he ever got one right?
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Surely that sponsorship can't be legit - it's a stuffing troll account ffs... :huh
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It's the time of year were ex list managers who got canned come out of the woodwork to remain relevant.
The articles are coming out already from Rendell & others.
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Not that we should sell the farm to get him but holy moly! Neale might be heading back to freo! What happened there?
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Not that we should sell the farm to get him but holy moly! Neale might be heading back to freo! What happened there?
Took Brisbane by surprise. They haven't even spoken to Neale.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/674652/-it-s-all-news-to-us-brisbane-set-to-make-statement-on-neale-trade-talk
Neale and his wife are wanting to start and raise a family in WA.
https://www.facebook.com/7NEWSPerth/
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From Foxsports:
RICHMOND
The Tigers are a fascinating case study. They don’t necessarily need to add much, they just need to figure out who they’re willing to let go. One of Mabior Chol or Callum Coleman-Jones will likely not be there next year, while they’ve already made a tough call on Bachar Houli. With Trent Cotchin not at the level we’ve come to expect, the midfield could do with a boost. Patrick Lipinski is looking for more opportunity and could add to the next wave of midfield talent coming through at Tigerland. The biggest weapon the Tigers have coming into this off-season is their draft hand: Picks 7, 16, 26 and 28 give them plenty of scope at the trade table, but also a great chance to regenerate via the draft. Richmond’s decision to decision to pull out of the race for Adam Cerra is further evidence the club is primarily focused on the draft.
Gold Coast
Gold Coast would consider Rory Lobb if he was willing to accept a pay cut. But the Suns might try to avoid using Pick 3 on a player like Lobb. If a play for Lobb doesn’t eventuate, Gold Coast could also look at off-contract Tiger Callum Coleman-Jones.
GWS
With Shane Mumford likely to retire, they’d be hoping 2020 recruit Braydon Preuss can fill his shoes. But could they find someone to help both in the ruck and up forward? One of Richmond duo Callum Coleman-Jones and Mabior Chol, or perhaps Collingwood’s Max Lynch, could work.
WESTERN BULLDOGS
The Dogs’ first priority is making sure they’re all set points-wise to take father-son prospect Sam Darcy, who has launched himself into top three contention in this year’s pool. As a result, they’re very unlikely to be trading any significant picks out. Likely to help them in the picks (and therefore points) department is the looming departures of Patrick Lipinski and Mitch Wallis.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/department-of-trade/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-every-club-trade-wishlist-draft-picks-state-of-play/news-story/e43d8881f5213a430398ef25f46e5421
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The wildcard in play is Cerra: While Melbourne has emerged as a potential suitor, the Dockers will now be hoping to get a deal done with Carlton, which has pick No.6 as its first selection as opposed to Melbourne’s pick No.34.
Future picks in a deal with Carlton are far more preferable than those from Melbourne, too, given the Dees are all-but-certain to finish higher on the ladder than the Blues in 2022.
Get pick No.6 from the Blues and the Dockers all of a sudden have more than enough capital to get a deal done to bring Neale back to the club.
Picks 6 and 8 for Neale and the Lions’ pick No.14 looms as a suitable trade for all parties, offsetting the idea of giving up two first-rounders by getting a later one back the other way.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2021-lachie-neale-trade-brisbane-to-fremantle-current-contract-how-does-it-happen-adam-cerra-luke-parker/news-story/7331d4b16b7b3cb4bcf2a988212284db
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If Brisbane gets pick 6 it would be bad news. Their recruiting philosophy is to take Vic Country boys so all of Hobbs, Rachell or Gibcus are potential targets which cuts the options for us. Freo would have likely taken Erasmus
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If Brisbane gets pick 6 it would be bad news. Their recruiting philosophy is to take Vic Country boys so all of Hobbs, Rachell or Gibcus are potential targets which cuts the options for us. Freo would have likely taken Erasmus
Yes would hate to have the chances of Erasmus still being available at our first pick increased... :shh
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Tom [Mitchell] might have a couple of clubs asking for him now.
According to a poster on our [Hawks] board with some mail Richmond are sniffing.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/tom-mitchell-ooc-2023.1271622/post-72030211
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Tom [Mitchell] might have a couple of clubs asking for him now.
According to a poster on our [Hawks] board with some mail Richmond are sniffing.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/tom-mitchell-ooc-2023.1271622/post-72030211
Well money won't be an issue as the Hawks could chip in a fairly large chunk of the salary, it would just depend on if Richmond are looking to hit the Draft or not.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/tom-mitchell-ooc-2023.1271622/post-72035371
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Tom [Mitchell] might have a couple of clubs asking for him now.
According to a poster on our [Hawks] board with some mail Richmond are sniffing.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/tom-mitchell-ooc-2023.1271622/post-72030211
Well money won't be an issue as the Hawks could chip in a fairly large chunk of the salary, it would just depend on if Richmond are looking to hit the Draft or not.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/tom-mitchell-ooc-2023.1271622/post-72035371
Do not touch tigers >:(
No, No ...NO
Edit: Fixed quoting tags.
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The only midfielder I would trade our picks for is Jack Steele, and that ain’t going to happen
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Tom [Mitchell] might have a couple of clubs asking for him now.
According to a poster on our [Hawks] board with some mail Richmond are sniffing.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/tom-mitchell-ooc-2023.1271622/post-72030211
Why did someone from big footy notice that Mitchell walked past Punt road oval and pass wind in our general direction?
:lol :lol :lol
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The only midfielder I would trade our picks for is Jack Steele, and that ain’t going to happen
:clapping
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I'd trade them for Tom Green... :shh
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Account only has 5 followers so a pinch of the old Saxa may be required...
https://twitter.com/BreakingNewsAFL/status/1434683823111823361
:shh
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Account only has 5 followers so a pinch of the old Saxa may be required...
https://twitter.com/BreakingNewsAFL/status/1434683823111823361
:shh
Isn’t Marbs a free agent and wouldn’t have to request anything?
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Account only has 5 followers so a pinch of the old Saxa may be required...
https://twitter.com/BreakingNewsAFL/status/1434683823111823361
:shh
Also, why would a free agent request a trade?
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Like I said...5 followers... :shh
Other "rumours" I've seen on the wide wonderful web today:
Prestia & Lambert up for trade...
Dusty off to the Brisbane....
We're apparently now getting Michael Talia(not a typo).....
:birthday
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Dusty to Brissy eh?
The only reason to let Dusty go to Brissy is to smack the pee out of Rhys Mathieson ... then come home again ... :clapping
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Cam Guthrie off the table. Signed a 4-year deal to stay at Geelong. It will take him to the age of 33.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/674784/star-midfielder-cam-guthrie-re-signs-with-geelong-cats-with-fresh-four-year-extension
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Surprised Cats didn’t sign him for a booster shot of astrazenca and a 3 year option on top of his 4 years
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If we are getting Jenny Talia for the girls team, I'm impressed
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Heh...
(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/attachments/img_2586-jpg.1228977/)
:winner
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Also overrated IMO. No tank, not quick, gets no ball.
Poor, poor man's Dusty wannabe.
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Sam Edmund on SEN:
Txt: Take it to the bank - Tom Mitchell to Richmond.
Edmund: [Gave the generic reply] Only would leave Hawthorn if there's a too good an offer to refuse. Not linked to any other club according to his info.
Txt: Take it to the bank - 3-way swap between Freo, Port & Essendon. Essendon get Cerra & Freo get Shiel.
Edmund: Shiel staying at Essendon.
Txt: Swans George Hewett & Dylan Stephens to Collingwood for Darcy Moore.
Edmund: No. Hewett going to Carlton.
Edmund: Carlton remain the only viable option for Cerra at this stage (in terms of picks & $$$) but Melbourne could pull the rug underneath them.
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Luke Parker has re-signed with the Swans for 4 years. Another one off the trade table.
https://twitter.com/sydneyswans/status/1435427107039891462
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Looks like the old "Carlton Salary Cap" is in full effect again.... :shh
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Got to love this time of the year :rollin.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-vLFV3VgAA9usW?format=jpg&name=medium)
https://twitter.com/TheGas80/status/1435464204127903748
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Do not give up any picks for Mitchell
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How can Melbourne afford Adam Cerra??
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Got to love this time of the year :rollin.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-vLFV3VgAA9usW?format=jpg&name=medium)
https://twitter.com/TheGas80/status/1435464204127903748
Seems like overs. No way
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Got to love this time of the year :rollin.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-vLFV3VgAA9usW?format=jpg&name=medium)
https://twitter.com/TheGas80/status/1435464204127903748
I'll have a go - Mitchell and Pick 21 for Pick 44 - Is as sensible as that offer
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(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/attachments/screenshot_20210906-104331_chrome-jpg.1230111/)
https://demonland.com/forums/topic/50944-the-adam-cerra-thread/page/10/?tab=comments#comment-2046008
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Apparently on MMM Perth, Nathan Schmook said Cerra will end up at one of Carlton, Melbourne or Richmond. We've have been in and out of the Cerra situation all year.
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SUNS TARGETING KEY TIGERS DUO
The Gold Coast Suns are keen on poaching both Callum Coleman-Jones and Mabior Chol from Richmond in the upcoming trade period.
Coleman-Jones and Chol loom as key signings for Richmond, but both remain uncontracted for 2022 despite impressive showings in the senior side this year.
Speaking to Fox Sports News reporter Sarah Olle, foxfooty.com.au senior reporter Tom Morris said the key position pair were on the radar for the Suns.
“Make no mistake, Gold Coast would be prepared to offer multi-year deals for Callum Coleman-Jones and Mabior Chol, he said on AFL Tonight.
“They‘re desperate for a key forward to partner Ben King, who we know is out of contract at the end of next year.
“Chol is a free agent and as a result he can pick where he wants to go. There’ll be a deal on the table for him at the Tigers but he’s likely to get more years elsewhere.
Coleman-Jones is out of contract too - Richmond, if they had to pick one, they wouldn’t say it publicly, would prefer to keep Coleman-Jones over Chol, even though they’d probably like to keep both.
“Gold Coast is in for both.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2021-trades-player-movement-free-agents-contracted-players-trade-whispers-callum-coleman-jones-mabior-chol-adam-cerra/news-story/4dcc7c57acc13b1352b47bd41aa28e6f
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Lachie Neale has announced he is staying at the Brisbane Lions.
https://twitter.com/Sammy__Edmund/status/1435774300770865159
https://www.lions.com.au/video/1014650/lachie-neale-addresses-his-future
Another one off the potential trade table.
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I'll be asking the sun's overs for CCJ If he wants to go bigtime.
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Id ask for Noah Anderson
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They gave a top 3 pick for Lachie Weller. I'd be asking for their first pick.
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(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/attachments/img_6252-jpg.1230223/)
:propeller
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Would love Steele but you'd have to be crazy to pay him more than 700-850 IMO.
I believe we were really keen on him before he went to Saints. Might have even been a mad RFC fan?
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$1.1million for Steele wowee
over two season maybe not every season
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We don’t have cap space
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Lol wow these Facebook/Twitter/big footy “in the know” groups are ridiculous. That story doesn’t make sense from either the saints, tigers or steeles side of things.
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They gave a top 3 pick for Lachie Weller. I'd be asking for their first pick.
Suns supporters ( both of them ;D ) on their forum are throwing up their pick 22 for CCJ.
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They gave a top 3 pick for Lachie Weller. I'd be asking for their first pick.
One thing is for sure - they’ll be some competition for his signature. GWS desperately need a ruck, Crows as well, Doggies they’ll be plenty of offer floating around so a mid to late first rounder is a real possibility
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I'd say pick 3 & 19
For Pick 7, & CCJ.
But rather keep him.
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Need to keep him, be surprised if he goes
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I'd say pick 3 & 19
For Pick 7, & CCJ.
But rather keep him.
I’d like to keep him too but if that’s the deal then suspect the club would take it without batting an eye.
Think a lot on here are hugely overrating what could get for him in a trade considering he’s played all of what 10 games? I’d say at the most we’d be looking at a second rounder something mid to late 20s
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"North are sniffing around Colina"
Source: Facebook (according to BF).
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Need to keep him, be surprised if he goes
I think you’ll end up surprised….
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Need to keep him, be surprised if he goes
I think you’ll end up surprised….
Gut feel or do you know?
I can’t see how we will let him go, and be left with our best forward being a 33 year old. Stupid.
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Id ask for Noah Anderson
He is / was a Richmond suppporter
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Jacob Hopper has re-signed for two years with GWS.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/675244/off-the-table-midfield-bull-signs-contract-extension-after-best-season
Yet another off the trade table.
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From Barrett's Sliding Doors column:
IF ...
Tom Mitchell has moved clubs once before ...
THEN ...
the footy industry talk on it happening again just won't go away. Joined the Hawks to play under Clarko in a premiership. Clarko's gone, and the Hawks are as close to a flag as Jeff is to being invited to Clarko's house for Christmas lunch.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/675045/sliding-doors-if-tom-mitchell-has-moved-clubs-once-before-then
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Jacob Hopper has re-signed for two years with GWS.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/675244/off-the-table-midfield-bull-signs-contract-extension-after-best-season
Yet another off the trade table.
Were never getting Jacob Hopper.
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Jake Kelly has signed with Essendon as a restricted free agent. Solid get.
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Gold Coast fan:
I tell you what if we were to give you pick 3 would you give us CCJ and Geelongs first rounder?
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2021-draft-and-trade-period.1253885/post-72078432
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Billings four-year deal only days away.
Which leaves a single restricted free agent. The update on a total fizzer of a free agency period & your club's free agent.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/moneyball-follow-all-the-latest-news-on-player-movement-in-the-afl/news-story/29ed5424048f815c3d32c0f035307343
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Gold Coast fan:
I tell you what if we were to give you pick 3 would you give us CCJ and Geelongs first rounder?
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2021-draft-and-trade-period.1253885/post-72078432
Yes. :shh
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Id want a 3rd rounder coming back our way as well.
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Lack of exposure makes this draft pretty speculative outside the top 5/10...might be an idea to trade the seconds & thirds for future picks and just go in with 7 early (or 3 & 7 under the CCJ trade scenario floated above)...find some hidden gens with late picks PSD/RD/SSP/22MSD...hit next year's draft hard with kids from that crop hopefully getting full seasons and a full carnival in and/or grab Tom Green...not as "sexy" or exciting in the short term but could serve us better in the long run... :shh
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Gold Coast fan:
I tell you what if we were to give you pick 3 would you give us CCJ and Geelongs first rounder?
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2021-draft-and-trade-period.1253885/post-72078432
Yes. :shh
Definitely. In a heartbeat.
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Points wise it's fair. Swapping pick 16 for 3 is 1167 pts. So effectively we would be giving up CCJ for pick 14.
Id want a 3rd rounder coming back our way as well.
I agree if they're going to get Chol for nothing as well. That would be their pick 43.
That would leave us with 3, 7, 26, 28, 40, 43, 44.
Then try to see if we can bundle a couple of those 2nd/3rd picks to get another pick in the teens.
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Id want a 3rd rounder coming back our way as well.
Nah won't happen. 3 for CCJ+16 is a bargain for us.
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It would be for Chol as well, I would hope we keep CCJ
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Geelong shopping for a ruckman I'd say.
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Geelong shopping for a ruckman I'd say.
And rightly so but fmd Gawn is having a game for the history books.
What a player.
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Sydney’s Jordan Dawson has requested a trade home to South Australia.
https://twitter.com/cleary_mitch/status/1436247737230495744
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“Jordan Clark (is) keen to head home for a lack of opportunities back to Perth, likely Fremantle.
Quinton Narkle would consider offers elsewhere, he was only an emergency tonight,” Ralph said.
“Charlie Constable just desperate to play elsewhere, he’s too good for VFL.
And swingman Nathan Krueger is being courted by Collingwood again.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/geelong-cats/afl-news-2021-trades-player-movement-free-agents-contracted-players-trade-whispers-geelong-cats-preliminary-final-loss-to-melbourne-demons-jordan-clark-quinton-narkle-charlie-constable-nathan-krueger-futures/news-story/2abd3dbb3dc60c9df673b17dfa37efd5
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Dunno much about Krueger but always handy to have a swingman...presuming he's any good...not getting games ahead of Collar Jazz Knee suggest he probably ain't... :shh
Would prefer Constable to Narkle...and I don't want Constable... :shh :shh.
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Sydney’s Jordan Dawson has requested a trade home to South Australia.
https://twitter.com/cleary_mitch/status/1436247737230495744
Jordan Dawson most likely to land at Port Adelaide - 12 months after Aliir Aliir made the same move. Sources say Dawson wanted to stay a Swan but player & club couldn’t find common ground on contract amid salary cap squeeze. Adel-Syd cost of living difference said to be a factor.
https://twitter.com/Sammy__Edmund/status/1436527334085971968
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Fremantle Dockers eyeing Will Brodie from Gold Coast to help fill Adam Cerra void.
https://thewest.com.au/sport/fremantle-dockers/afl-trades-fremantle-dockers-eyeing-will-brodie-from-gold-coast-to-help-fill-adam-cerra-void-c-3928635
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Which means we won't be getting the dud so thank stuff for that.#JacobBallardmkII :shh
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Tom Mitchell (Hawthorn)
He’s going to be a really interesting watch,” Sam Edmund said.
“It might be the case of Lachie Neale off the table and Tom Mitchell on, I think he’s far from certain to stay at Hawthorn and think he’s fairly keen to move on.
“Watch this space on Tom Mitchell.”
Jarrod Brander (West Coast)
“He’s still waiting to learn his fate at West Coast,” he said.
“I believe Geelong has an ongoing interest in Jarrod Brander, he was a boarder at Geelong Grammar before being drafted high and I’m told there’s an ongoing interest there. The Cats think they can turn him into something special.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/09/11/sam-edmunds-trade-update-on-a-watch-this-space-hawk-jarrod-brander-and/
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Daniel Talia
One of the most experienced delisted players on the market, the key defender was unable to add to his tally of 200 games at Adelaide this year due to knee and foot injuries. If his body is right, Talia could well be the icing on the cake for a side, able to lock down on some of the most powerful key forwards in the competition. At 29, the two-time Therabody AFL All-Australian should still have plenty to give.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/675147/worth-a-look-the-delisted-players-who-could-find-a-new-home
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Club-defining calls and tricky negotiations: Every AFL club’s burning trade question
Max Laughton, Ben Waterworth and David Zita from Fox Sports
Foxsports
September 12th, 2021 6:08 pm
RICHMOND
They’re loaded with picks for the first time in years; how many do you trade and how many do you keep?
Compared to the past five years, the Tigers are now in unfamiliar territory.
Not only did they miss finals this year, they’re now approaching a trade period with a stacked draft hand that includes two picks in each of the first, second and third rounds.
The Tigers could also add more picks to their arsenal should Callum Coleman-Jones (trade) and/or Mabior Chol (free agency) ask to move to a rival club.
That would give the Tigers ample scope at the trade table to add players to a list still seen by experts as flag contenders next year, yet it would also present them with a golden chance to regenerate via the draft.
Considering their predicament, you’d expect the Tigers to retain the majority of their early picks, but they’re arguably better placed than any other club to strike a juicy deal for a big fish, should one emerge.
At this stage, though, there’s not a lot of big fish for sale.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-2021-every-clubs-burning-trade-question-analysis-adam-cerra-jordan-dawson-draft-picks-rebuilds-list-calls/news-story/739de32eb77d8d6134897670c9f538a1
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Tom Mitchell to Richmond for their two top 20 picks but not 10? I think they have 11,16
I don’t believe Mitchell has officially requested a trade, but I think 11 and 16 would get it done if he did
https://twitter.com/AFLTradeWhisper/status/1436996692281212929
:facepalm :stupid
Josh Battle likely to stay at the Saints despite rumours.
Source tier = 2️⃣
@cleary_mitch
https://twitter.com/RankerAfl/status/1437005393310281732
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Please do not use any draft picks for Mitchell
Go to the draft. Free agents only
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I pick they are trading Mitchell as he is not in their premiership window and still has currency.
Picking him up would be a grave mistake imho
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(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/attachments/img_6252-jpg.1230223/)
:propeller
Seems some nuffer on Facebook is now claiming Kmac & a pick for Steele :wallywink.
Kmac just re-signed for two more years and the Saints aren't giving away Steele.
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Could Carlton miss out on Adam Cerra? He's in no rush to announce his plans and another club is in the picture, reports
@RalphyHeraldSun.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/moneyball-follow-all-the-latest-news-on-player-movement-in-the-afl/news-story/29ed5424048f815c3d32c0f035307343
Tigers aren’t out of the picture
https://twitter.com/superfooty/status/1437233380077158400
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"Cerra to the Tigers?
They are still well and truly in the premiership window and he would step straight in as a long term midfielder who compliments their existing setup. Who says no?
Tigers get Cerra and Pick 27.
Freo get Pick 7, 15 and 44."
https://twitter.com/LysticsAFL/status/1437308466201120768
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"take this with a grain of salt and i have no idea about the credibility but thought i would post it anyway
Mate is a carlton supporter and he has a client thats on the GC (GC supporter)
Thinks Cj is just about a done deal and the suns are confident.
apparently played alot of junior footy with the suns SA kids that he is close to.
i think he stays otherwise would have known already but this latest "news" my mate told me got me thinking. Im sure it would be more about the length and $$$ and not just the players at the suns"
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/trade-free-agency-talk-pt-3.1275237/post-72152114
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"Cerra to the Tigers?
They are still well and truly in the premiership window and he would step straight in as a long term midfielder who compliments their existing setup. Who says no?
Tigers get Cerra and Pick 27.
Freo get Pick 7, 15 and 44."
https://twitter.com/LysticsAFL/status/1437308466201120768
I say no. :thumbsdown
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Cerra to the Tigers?
They are still well and truly in the premiership window and he would step straight in as a long term midfielder who compliments their existing setup. Who says no?
Tigers get Cerra and Pick 27.
Freo get Pick 7, 15 and 44.
https://twitter.com/LysticsAFL/status/1437308466201120768
No
We get screwed in that deal.
Cerra for 15 and pickett
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"ITS OFFICAL!!!!!!!!!!
Mabior Chol will Don The Sash in 2022 no news has been confirmed yet but what a pickup by the Bombers.
Chol is set to announce his request this week or next week!!!!!!!!
🔴⚫️"
https://twitter.com/DRalphsmith/status/1437234651416829955
@ScooterMcNeice Replying to @DRalphsmith
If only you hadn't just joined twitter, not an actual AFL journalist and your photo wasn't stolen from a HR firm website... then i would believe you lol
https://twitter.com/ScooterMcNeice/status/1437248112699924481
:lol
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"Cerra to the Tigers?
They are still well and truly in the premiership window and he would step straight in as a long term midfielder who compliments their existing setup. Who says no?
Tigers get Cerra and Pick 27.
Freo get Pick 7, 15 and 44."
https://twitter.com/LysticsAFL/status/1437308466201120768
How about GAGF'd. We don't need a soft outside front runner for any pick let alone that lot
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"Cerra to the Tigers?
They are still well and truly in the premiership window and he would step straight in as a long term midfielder who compliments their existing setup. Who says no?
Tigers get Cerra and Pick 27.
Freo get Pick 7, 15 and 44."
https://twitter.com/LysticsAFL/status/1437308466201120768
On pure point value that Values Cerra @ pick 3 value. No value to us
Pick 7 alone or 15 and 44 (values Cerra @ pick 9)
Rather go to the draft especially if we are over paying on contract dollars
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Agree, go to the draft unless we pick him up for a good price.
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Summary from last night's Tiger71 podcast:
- We're not giving up pick 7 as we have a young gun midfielder in mind that we want with that pick. It's a midfield draft and we want to fix our midfield with this draft.
- We're going to try to bundle our later picks to move up the draft trying to get another high-ish pick.
- Still in the play with Cerra and he still hasn't nominated a club yet. It's 50/50. We're just not giving up pick 7 for him. We're willing to part with our Geelong pick #15 or a future first. Melbourne are no chance. T71 thinks Cerra will go to Carlton although they are in a state (no coach, off-field shambles). His mate though is still bullish.
- CCJ a lock to Gold Coast. We will get a reasonably high pick or a player in return. Not Ainsworth or Brodie so don't worry.
- Chol is a funny one. Players want him to stay. But we'll give him our blessing to go. Thinks Mabs to Essendon.
- Wallis still in play.
- Narkle 100% is coming. For one of our third rounders.
- No truth in the Tarrant & Rayner rumours.
- Heard nothing about Talia. If we wanted an old key defender we would've kept Astbury for one more year.
- Tom Green more likely next year.
- Wouldn't be surprised if Pickett ends up back in WA.
- Parker coming back after the WAFL finals and will be with us again next year.
- Caddy staying. Not being traded on.
https://www.facebook.com/BigFootyTigercast/videos/992738251296754
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So who goes? with all the players coming in a handful of players must be heading out.
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Summary from last night's Tiger71 podcast:
- We're not giving up pick 7 as we have a young gun midfielder in mind that we want with that pick. It's a midfield draft and we want to fix our midfield with this draft.
- We're going to try to bundle our later picks to move up the draft trying to get another high-ish pick.
- Still in the play with Cerra and he still hasn't nominated a club yet. It's 50/50. We're just not giving up pick 7 for him. We're willing to part with our Geelong pick #15 or a future first. Melbourne are no chance. T71 thinks Cerra will go to Carlton although they are in a state (no coach, off-field shambles). His mate though is still bullish.
- CCJ a lock to Gold Coast. We will get a reasonably high pick or a player in return. Not Ainsworth or Brodie so don't worry.
- Chol is a funny one. Players want him to stay. But we'll give him our blessing to go. Thinks Mabs to Essendon.
- Wallis still in play.
- Narkle 100% is coming. For one of our third rounders.
- No truth in the Tarrant & Rayner rumours.
- Heard nothing about Talia. If we wanted an old key defender we would've kept Astbury for one more year.
- Tom Green more likely next year.
- Wouldn't be surprised if Pickett ends up back in WA.
- Parker coming back after the WAFL finals and will be with us again next year.
- Caddy staying. Not being traded on.
https://www.facebook.com/BigFootyTigercast/videos/992738251296754
How reliable is this source, generally?
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Billings has re-signed with St Kilda.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/676916/saints-confirm-long-deal-for-gun-free-agent-veteran-tall-not-done-yet
Hamish Hartlett says he will look at his options after he was told by Port Adelaide that he would not be offered a new contract.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/676915/no-bad-blood-port-cult-figure-culled-will-explore-options
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Summary from last night's Tiger71 podcast:
- We're not giving up pick 7 as we have a young gun midfielder in mind that we want with that pick. It's a midfield draft and we want to fix our midfield with this draft.
- We're going to try to bundle our later picks to move up the draft trying to get another high-ish pick.
- Still in the play with Cerra and he still hasn't nominated a club yet. It's 50/50. We're just not giving up pick 7 for him. We're willing to part with our Geelong pick #15 or a future first. Melbourne are no chance. T71 thinks Cerra will go to Carlton although they are in a state (no coach, off-field shambles). His mate though is still bullish.
- CCJ a lock to Gold Coast. We will get a reasonably high pick or a player in return. Not Ainsworth or Brodie so don't worry.
- Chol is a funny one. Players want him to stay. But we'll give him our blessing to go. Thinks Mabs to Essendon.
- Wallis still in play.
- Narkle 100% is coming. For one of our third rounders.
- No truth in the Tarrant & Rayner rumours.
- Heard nothing about Talia. If we wanted an old key defender we would've kept Astbury for one more year.
- Tom Green more likely next year.
- Wouldn't be surprised if Pickett ends up back in WA.
- Parker coming back after the WAFL finals and will be with us again next year.
- Caddy staying. Not being traded on.
https://www.facebook.com/BigFootyTigercast/videos/992738251296754
How reliable is this source, generally?
Personally don't rate him at all...regarded as some kind of guru by the most of Big Footy's Richmond board but the only "scoops" he does get right are usually common knowledge already....comes across to me as a bit of a fast talking b.s. artist on the podcast... :shh
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Sam Edmund on SEN:
Daniel Talia (Adelaide)
“I think there’s a pretty good chance that he becomes a Richmond player as a delisted free agent, I think he can play for another two to three years.”
“We know he had some bad luck with injury this year, he didn’t attend the Crows best and fairest, he does have a point to prove at 29, he’d be joining for nothing in a trade sense.
“We know that David Astbury and Bachar Houli are not playing so they’ve lost some experience in the back half and I think he’d compliment Noah Balta perfectly.”
Quinton Narkle (Geelong)
“Richmond’s the one that comes up every time, he’s really good mates with Shai Bolton, they’ve got the same manager so there’s a conduit there, I’m not sure rival clubs are banging the door on, there are some queries on a few things but he might make sense at Richmond for all the reasons we mentioned.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/09/14/sam-edmunds-trade-wrap-silvagni-wicks-talia-brander-and-more/
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Brisbane ruckman Archie Smith has made the decision to depart the football club.
The 26-year-old has requested a trade after struggling to break into the Lions’ best 22.
Smith has played 16 career games for the Lions since joining the club in 2014. He did not feature at AFL level in 2021, stuck behind Oscar McInerney.
Clubs across the competition are in need of ruck depth, including the likes of Gold Coast, GWS, North Melbourne and the Western Bulldogs.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/09/14/brisbane-ruckman-requests-a-trade/
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Off topic: Apparently Irving Mosquito who did his knee early in the season retired the other day....basically said he couldn't be arsed doing the rehab... :shh
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Off topic: Apparently Irving Mosquito who did his knee early in the season retired the other day....basically said he couldn't be arsed doing the rehab... :shh
He lived with an old school mate of mine in Stratty before he was drafted. When he did his knee, the club contacted another mate of mine to help him rehab because they were worried he wouldn't be very diligent.
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Who the hell is Archie Smith. Big trade week coming with the likes of him and CCJ taking top billing!!
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Gold Coast Suns are keen on Mitch Wallis but don't have a lot of cash to splash. Where will he end up?
Source tier = 2️⃣
@tommorris32
According to me? No.
https://twitter.com/tommorris32/with_replies
lol.
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Off topic: Apparently Irving Mosquito who did his knee early in the season retired the other day....basically said he couldn't be arsed doing the rehab... :shh
He lived with an old school mate of mine in Stratty before he was drafted. When he did his knee, the club contacted another mate of mine to help him rehab because they were worried he wouldn't be very diligent.
Yeah he was delisted by the bombers yesterday.
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Mitch Cleary says we should offer Tarrant two years (North have a one-year deal on the table).
Also reckons we'll get Talia.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/676914/listen-where-will-dawson-land-how-does-it-get-done-
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As revealed by the Herald Sun this month, Daniel Talia is a strong chance to secure a list spot at the Tigers.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/moneyball-follow-all-the-latest-news-on-player-movement-and-potential-trades-in-the-afl/news-story/902e05ce0c811960e3161633e63cdff6
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Summary from last night's Tiger71 podcast:
- We're not giving up pick 7 as we have a young gun midfielder in mind that we want with that pick. It's a midfield draft and we want to fix our midfield with this draft.
- We're going to try to bundle our later picks to move up the draft trying to get another high-ish pick.
- Still in the play with Cerra and he still hasn't nominated a club yet. It's 50/50. We're just not giving up pick 7 for him. We're willing to part with our Geelong pick #15 or a future first. Melbourne are no chance. T71 thinks Cerra will go to Carlton although they are in a state (no coach, off-field shambles). His mate though is still bullish.
- CCJ a lock to Gold Coast. We will get a reasonably high pick or a player in return. Not Ainsworth or Brodie so don't worry.
- Chol is a funny one. Players want him to stay. But we'll give him our blessing to go. Thinks Mabs to Essendon.
- Wallis still in play.
- Narkle 100% is coming. For one of our third rounders.
- No truth in the Tarrant & Rayner rumours.
- Heard nothing about Talia. If we wanted an old key defender we would've kept Astbury for one more year.
- Tom Green more likely next year.
- Wouldn't be surprised if Pickett ends up back in WA.
- Parker coming back after the WAFL finals and will be with us again next year.
- Caddy staying. Not being traded on.
https://www.facebook.com/BigFootyTigercast/videos/992738251296754
How reliable is this source, generally?
Personally don't rate him at all...regarded as some kind of guru by the most of Big Footy's Richmond board but the only "scoops" he does get right are usually common knowledge already....comes across to me as a bit of a fast talking b.s. artist on the podcast... :shh
OK. Cheers.
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As for who could be added to Richmond’s list, SEN reported Crows free agent Daniel Talia and off-contract Cats midfielder Quinton Narkle had drawn interest from the Tigers.
SEN reporter Sam Edmund said there was “a pretty good chance” Talia, who wasn’t offered another contract by the Crows after his injury-plagued 2021 season, signs at Richmond as a delisted free agent after the retirements of David Astbury and Bachar Houli.
Talia, who turns 30 next month, can join the Tigers for no trade cost given he is available as a delisted free agent.
Edmund said there wasn’t a lot of rival club interest in Narkle, but added Richmond “comes up every time” as the club that’s a chance to land him.
Source: SEN (https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/09/15/north-melbourne-to-land-richmond-ruckman-if-he-leaves-tigerland/) & Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/department-of-trade/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-callum-colemanjones-north-melbourne-mabior-chol-gold-coast-dylan-stephens-collingwood/news-story/5b7fbb960c863f2f72af4ee6a1dc5d1f)
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Trade exclusive
In a trade shock I’m told Giant Jeremy Finlayson has done a medical with Port Adelaide.
More details to follow @7NewsMelbourne @triplemfooty
https://twitter.com/TomBrowne7/status/1437960783711772672
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Trade exclusive
In a trade shock I’m told Giant Jeremy Finlayson has done a medical with Port Adelaide.
More details to follow @7NewsMelbourne @triplemfooty
https://twitter.com/TomBrowne7/status/1437960783711772672
This guy is a pretender. He's no good.
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How many more shyte finals performers do they need in their forward line - might as well go out and get Rohan as well... :shh
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NARKLE POISED TO REMAIN WITH GEELONG
Quinton Narkle is poised to stay at Geelong, despite another season of speculation over his playing future.
But while rival clubs have enquired about Narkle, his manager Ralph Carr told SEN.com.au his client was likely to stay at GMHBA Stadium.
“To be totally transparent, we’re working through a deal (to stay). If we get the deal done, great, if we can’t get the deal done, he might go,” Carr said.
“But at this point I’m hopeful he’s going to stay and that we can get the right deal across the line.”
Carr, of RCM, said suggestions Narkle could move to Richmond had no basis.
“It’s never been anything but positive with the Cats from the day I started managing Quinton,” Carr said.
“They’ve been terrific, the Cats.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/09/16/narkle-poised-to-remain-with-geelong/
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The headline doesn't match the story. Typical Ralph rhetoric
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The flag contender that needs Tom Mitchell most
Consider the potential homes if Tom Mitchell did want to find a new home to help Hawthorn secure another early draft pick to add to picks five, 21 and 24.
North Melbourne, Adelaide and Collingwood are rebuilding and aren’t interested.
GWS, Geelong, West Coast, St Kilda, Essendon, Sydney, the Bulldogs, Geelong and Brisbane don’t need him.
Richmond isn’t interested, Gold Coast probably needs a Tom Mitchell type but will go with Touk Miller, Matt Rowell, Brayden Fiorini and co and will spend its cash on a key forward if it can find one.
Carlton is looking elsewhere, Melbourne also doesn’t need him.
It leaves only Port Adelaide as a club that is absolutely screaming out for a six-clearance-a-week midfielder to rebound after Saturday night’s gut-wrenching loss.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/moneyball-follow-all-the-latest-news-on-player-movement-and-potential-trades-in-the-afl/news-story/902e05ce0c811960e3161633e63cdff6
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Glad we aren't getting Mitchell.
Narkle, I dunno. Wasn't gonna cost much. Not fussed.
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Hawthorn: "There's no truth to it"
Tom Mitchell on being traded this off-season via @RSN927.
https://twitter.com/aflratings/status/1438645160011710466
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Brayden Sier wants out of Collingwood.
Phil out: Clubs set to circle Pies midfielder
The Collingwood midfielder who starred in the 2018 Grand Final is on the hunt for a new home.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/moneyball-all-the-latest-afl-trade-draft-and-contract-news/news-story/10be32a9d41bcf4e3b717c2893735998
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Matty Ling delisted by Swans, my son played against him I'm juniors. Can play, worth looking at if he can get fit.
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Richmond has made a two year offer to Robbie Tarrant per AFL website
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Stop it... :thumbsdown
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We need KPD depth badly. A coupla oldies to fill in the gaps isn’t the worst idea
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We need KPD depth badly. A coupla oldies to fill in the gaps isn’t the worst idea
Miller needs games.
Schlensog could be drafted IMO.
Elsewise, a Talia or Tarrant as depth would be nice. Unless the club is throwing the sink at another flag. I'm fine with that too.
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Looks like Brayden Sier will be available.... played well in the 2018 GF but apart from the infamous "Phil Inn" incident that's all I can really remember about him ... :shh
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A 1 year deal would be understandable. A 2 year offer for a 32/33 year old is crazy. He should be jumping at the chance to play for us. Shows a bit of desperation on our end IMO.
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It's called support to the backline and provides time for the young key backs to continue development. We still need some experienced players to support the team- Tarrant and or Talia can do this for us.
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KPD is a clear weakness for us right now. For once I agree with the machine man. Happy to have one or both of these guys onboard.
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More than happy with this, if he breaks down he breaks down however there is nothing to suggest he is slowing down. Way more reliable body than Astbury and we offered him 2 years. He's a better defender then Astbury IMO (He was All Aus) just needs to learn the game plan, which with his leadership can't see becoming an issue.
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In the coming weeks Adam Cerra will publicly nominate Melbourne as his club of choice. Melbourne and Fremantle may struggle to get a deal done due to Melbourne’s lack of draft capital though. Don’t be surprised if Carlton make a play if a deal can’t be done.
https://twitter.com/AFLTradeTalk/status/1439423741763538948
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How the hell can they afford him?
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It’s their next contracts that the players will put the hand out if they win a premiership
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Jones just retired so they cleared that space
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Brayden Sier wants out of Collingwood.
Phil out: Clubs set to circle Pies midfielder
The Collingwood midfielder who starred in the 2018 Grand Final is on the hunt for a new home.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/moneyball-all-the-latest-afl-trade-draft-and-contract-news/news-story/10be32a9d41bcf4e3b717c2893735998
Yes. I’d take him.
Did an excellent job vs us in the preliminary final debarcle. Big bodied kid got 6 clearances that night and 4 inside 50’s, 20 Disp 10 contested 80%efficiency.
In fact did very very well the whole ‘18 finials series. Like the contest and knows how to win contested possession. Exactly the type we need im the guts.
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And yet since season 2018, has played progressively less games, less possessions and generally looks like he’s gone backwards. A handful of senior games in a team that finished bottom 3, if he played for Richmond with those numbers you’d probably want him delisted (and you’d be spot on).
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And yet since season 2018, has played progressively less games, less possessions and generally looks like he’s gone backwards. A handful of senior games in a team that finished bottom 3, if he played for Richmond with those numbers you’d probably want him delisted (and you’d be spot on).
Had some hip, quad calf injuries because of playing basketball. :rollin
Let’s face it the pies don’t have the greatest track record of injury management in the last 4 years.
I’d get the medical team to look at him and take the punt.
Cheap big bodied mids don’t grow on trees.
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And yet since season 2018, has played progressively less games, less possessions and generally looks like he’s gone backwards. A handful of senior games in a team that finished bottom 3, if he played for Richmond with those numbers you’d probably want him delisted (and you’d be spot on).
It is called the Polo effect
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Confirmed: Narkle has re-signed with Geelong for just one-year.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/678859/cats-lock-in-young-gun-versatile-tall-yet-to-make-call-on-future
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Good re: Narkle
As for Sier, at least 1 Pie on BF reckons the Beams return impacted his spot, then he probably just lost form/consistency/fitness.
Carved it up in the VFL going at about 25-30/week.
I'd be interested for a low pick. Maybe the Chol compo around 50.
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Given we came last in the comp for clearances and 16th for Contested Possession Differential we should be picking up a midfielder who can win a clearance and/or a contested possession occasionally. If that is Sier great, if not maybe Dunstan from the Saints? What are some other options?
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Dunstan's a clearance beast but his foot skills are as deplorable as they come and he's even slower than Graham.....:shh
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How many clearance machines are awesome by foot?
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Dunstan's a clearance beast but his foot skills are as deplorable as they come and he's even slower than Graham.....:shh
You do realise Graham is the opposite of slow? For someone who runs all day he does have some good wheels on him :shh
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How many clearance machines are awesome by foot?
Not many but there's bad and then there's Dunstan....his best is Prestia on a bad day...makes Matt Parker look like Nathan Buckley.... :shh
Dunstan's a clearance beast but his foot skills are as deplorable as they come and he's even slower than Graham.....:shh
You do realise Graham is the opposite of slow? For someone who runs all day he does have some good wheels on him :shh
LMAO you seriously trying to say he's quick? Look I get that you think it's your duty to unconditionally support our players but you don't have to make shyte up to do it... he's slow and you know it... :shh :shh
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How many clearance machines are awesome by foot?
Not many but there's bad and then there's Dunstan....his best is Prestia on a bad day...makes Matt Parker look like Nathan Buckley.... :shh
Dunstan's a clearance beast but his foot skills are as deplorable as they come and he's even slower than Graham.....:shh
You do realise Graham is the opposite of slow? For someone who runs all day he does have some good wheels on him :shh
LMAO you seriously trying to say he's quick? Look I get that you think it's your duty to unconditionally support our players but you don't have to make shyte up to do it... he's slow and you know it... :shh :shh
The opposite of slow :shh
I acknowledge he is not super fast but he holds his own. Watch his game a little closer in 2022 :whistle
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Dunstan's a clearance beast but his foot skills are as deplorable as they come and he's even slower than Graham.....:shh
You do realise Graham is the opposite of slow? For someone who runs all day he does have some good wheels on him :shh
Graham has cement wheels. One of the slowest going around.
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Dunstan's a clearance beast but his foot skills are as deplorable as they come and he's even slower than Graham.....:shh
You do realise Graham is the opposite of slow? For someone who runs all day he does have some good wheels on him :shh
Graham has cement wheels. One of the slowest going around.
:help
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Richmond
Top-five fastest AFL players - 2020
Jack Graham – 34.2 km/h v Adelaide, round 18
Oleg Markov – 33.9 km/h v Essendon, round 13
Noah Balta – 33.9 km/h v Geelong, round 17
Marlion Pickett – 33.4 km/h v Geelong, round 17
Shai Bolton – 33.1 km/h v St Kilda, round 4
Fastest speeds clocked in a game
Jack Graham – 34.2 km/h v Adelaide, round 18
Oleg Markov – 33.9 km/h v Essendon, round 13
Noah Balta – 33.9 km/h v Geelong, round 17
Marlion Pickett – 33.4 km/h v Geelong, round 17
Marlion Pickett – 33.4 km/h v Western Bulldogs, round 9
:shh
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Jack has a great top speed but I think people refer more to his agility when they talk about being slow
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One of the slowest over the first 5m which is everything in AFL
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Find it hard to believe that Graham has a higher top speed than Markov, Bolton & Balta and seriously question Pickett's presence on those lists too... :shh
Machine's clearly confusing elite endurance with pace...kinda like saying Mo Farah could hold his own in the 100 metre sprint.... :shh :shh
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Perception
Graham is an elite endurance runner. The times he looks slow is after sustained effort.
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Find it hard to believe that Graham has a higher top speed than Markov, Bolton & Balta and seriously question Pickett's presence on those lists too... :shh
Machine's clearly confusing elite endurance with pace...kinda like saying Mo Farah could hold his own in the 100 metre sprint.... :shh :shh
You need to believe it as it is statistically correct :shh
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Perception
Graham is an elite endurance runner. The times he looks slow is after sustained effort.
:clapping
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Find it hard to believe that Graham has a higher top speed than Markov, Bolton & Balta and seriously question Pickett's presence on those lists too... :shh
Machine's clearly confusing elite endurance with pace...kinda like saying Mo Farah could hold his own in the 100 metre sprint.... :shh :shh
You need to believe it as it is statistically correct :shh
Prefer to believe my own eyes rather than a stats based on questionable methods... :shh :shh
Perception
Graham is an elite endurance runner. The times he looks slow is after sustained effort.
Nah he's actually just slow.... :shh
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Carlton midfielder Sam Petrevski-Seton has requested a trade to West Coast.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/679045/blue-wants-out-former-no-6-pick-requests-trade-home
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So Jack Graham was the fastest player on our list in 2020
Houli was also our enforcer
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McIntosh best field kick, Chol best endurance, Pickett most disciplined player......:shh
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Port Adelaide ruckman Peter Ladhams has been told to consider a move to a rival despite being contracted for next season.
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/department-of-trade/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-tom-morris-trade-wrap-scott-pendlebury-jack-ziebell-adam-cerra-callumcoleman-jones-jake-riccardi-peter-ladhams-daniel-talia-luke-dunstan/news-story/783a5d0444b9a402e36e9d67e7893e9a).
Sydney's Jordan Dawson has nominated Adelaide as his home of choice for 2022.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/679239/crows-or-power-wantaway-swan-nominates-new-home
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Adam Cerra (Fremantle)
“Richmond is as far out of the race as any other team. You can’t say 100 per cent because there can always be a late change.”
“But my understanding with Cerra is that Carlton is still the club and that’s because Melbourne can’t get (the trade) done.
“I can’t imagine a situation where Robbie D’Orazio and Paul Connors, his manager, allow him to nominate a club that he can’t get to. He will nominate a club that he can get to and at the moment that is Carlton, even though Melbourne has had a serious crack. There’s no draft pick they can offer and there’s not going to be any players they’re going to give up either.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/09/21/tom-morris-mega-trade-update-on-the-key-forward-landscape-riccardi-ladhams/
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Find it hard to believe that Graham has a higher top speed than Markov, Bolton & Balta and seriously question Pickett's presence on those lists too... :shh
Machine's clearly confusing elite endurance with pace...kinda like saying Mo Farah could hold his own in the 100 metre sprint.... :shh :shh
You need to believe it as it is statistically correct :shh
Prefer to believe my own eyes rather than a stats based on questionable methods... :shh :shh
Perception
Graham is an elite endurance runner. The times he looks slow is after sustained effort.
Nah he's actually just slow.... :shh
GPS tracking is not questionable me thinks :shh
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INTEREST BUILDS IN SUNS' PICK
RICHMOND and Adelaide are among the clubs interested in Gold Coast's pick No.3 with the Suns open to splitting the selection for multiple top picks.
The Suns inquired about trading up to pick No.1 with North Melbourne listening to offers, but the Roos are strongly tipped to hold the selection with South Adelaide teenager Jason Horne-Francis in their sights.
As reported in Inside Trading earlier this month, the Suns are open to trading their top-three pick for two early selections, which has seen the Tigers show interest. Richmond is well placed to make a move up the board with picks 7, 15, 26 and 28 inside the top 30.
The Tigers could package multiple selections to jump up the order, with future picks also an option at their disposal.
The Crows hold pick No.4 at the draft but that will be bumped back to No.6 after bids on father-son pair Nick Daicos and Sam Darcy and they have also shown interest in potentially edging up the board. Adelaide also holds pick 23 but will also be looking to negotiate a trade with Sydney for Jordan Dawson.
Finn Callaghan, Ben Hobbs and Josh Ward are all midfield options pressing to be top-six draft picks, while Josh Gibcus and Mac Andrew are the tall options in the mix outside of Darcy.
Any pick swap deal at the top end could come much closer to November's NAB AFL Draft, however, with clubs able to swap selections up until a week before the event – and then again during the draft.
- Callum Twomey
https://www.afl.com.au/news/679559/big-dog-hungry-for-more-demon-backflip-tiger-lifeline-extended
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Sam Weideman has re-signed with the Dees for two years according to 7news.
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Ryan Daniels (7news Perth) said yesterday on SEN that Richmond are trying to get back in the running for Cerra.
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It’s just Ding Dong Bell telling porkies trying to get Pigs Arse to up their offer.
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Adam Cerra is set to nominate Carlton in the coming days, according to Jon Ralph in the HeraldSun.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/moneyball-follow-all-the-latest-trade-contract-draft-and-coaching-news-across-the-afl/news-story/aeb1c71b87e94a82b1af1cc160ca8e76
Edit: Here's the article ....
Talented Fremantle midfielder Adam Cerra will nominate Carlton as his preferred new home in the days after the Grand Final.
As revealed by the Herald Sun last week, Cerra was always keen to wait until the last of Melbourne’s Grand Final responsibilities were over before making an official call.
But it is believed that the 21-year-old has had contact with Carlton’s new senior coach Michael Voss in recent days and is now keen to make his mark in the Blues’ revival.
While Cerra flirted with the idea of joining the Grand Final Demons, Melbourne’s inability to get the trade done with Dockers was always going to be a deal-breaker.
Alongside Sydney’s George Hewett, who will secure a four year free agency deal at the Blues, Cerra’s recruitment would be a coup for Voss as he looks to fast-track the club’s long-running rebuild.
The Blues and Dockers will get to work on a potential trade which is almost certainly like to start with Carlton’s pick 6.
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Also:
* Tom Mitchell to stay at Hawthorn.
* Mitch Wallis and Stef Martin to play on at the Bulldogs.
* Patrick Lipinski to Collingwood for a swap of future picks, perhaps a future 3rd (due to both clubs using this year's picks for bid matching).
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North Melbourne is exploring adding delisted Adelaide forward Tom Lynch to its playing list as part of a development coaching role for 2022.
In addition, it could see the 31-year-old added to the Roos' rookie list which would see his wage consumed as a player and not the football department spending.
It would be a similar move to that of Port Adelaide which listed development coach Tyson Goldsack as a rookie in 2021 while also playing SANFL.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/680201/to-play-or-coach-north-exploring-ways-to-pay-cut-crow
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Interesting this year the media doesn't know what we're up to in this upcoming trade period. Not even speculation. Virtually every club listed in Foxsports' trade wrap except us (and Norf who no one cares about anyway).
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-2021-fox-footy-trade-wrap-on-almost-every-club-before-trade-period-latest-trade-updates-negotiations/news-story/efa58497762ab6717c5ab5a6416f61fa
So we're either doing very little or we're keeping our cards very close to our chest.
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Mega trades state of play: Every AFL club’s draft picks and players they’re linked to
Foxsports
26 September 2021
RICHMOND
Players that could leave
It would be a considerable blow, but both Mabior Chol and Callum Coleman-Jones look like leaving, with Foxfooty.com.au revealing the former will join the Gold Coast Suns via free agency. Coleman-Jones wants to get to North Melbourne on a four-year deal, but a trade will have to be struck there and it will be interesting to watch how hard the Tigers decide to dig their heels in for him. Josh Caddy struggled to break back into the senior side this season and could be looking to become a four-club player despite being contracted for next season.
Players that could arrive
The Tigers had an interest in Adam Cerra but he’s decided on Carlton. There isn’t a whole lot out there that would suit the Tigers, so there’s no reason why they shouldn’t back themselves in at the draft to help get the next wave of talent up and running. Compensation for Chol and Coleman-Jones will only bolster their considerable draft hand too, so it could be a regeneration on the run for them if they play this right.
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Robbie Tarrant will join Richmond as an unrestricted free agent as he looks to win a premiership in the final years of his career.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-2021-trades-state-of-play-before-the-trade-period-start-date-every-clubs-draft-picks-free-agency-news/news-story/1e05e953ade695fd2f888b1badfbcb32
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Would love Hobbs
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"Collingwood are really confident they will get Patrick Lipinski from the Bulldogs and Nathan Kreuger from the Cats"
"Brisbane has shown an interest in Levi Casboult."
"Rival clubs, including Essendon have started to pick up the phone on St Kilda contracted player Ben Long".
"He [Hawk Tim O'Brien] thinks he'll be playing elsewhere if given a chance, Port Adelaide are one of the clubs interested."
https://twitter.com/traderadio
George Hewett and Jordan Clark have reportedly been offered four-year deals to join Carlton and Fremantle respectively.
According to The Herald Sun, Geelong wants a draft pick somewhere in between Fremantle’s first and second-round selections before sanctioning a trade for Clark.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/09/26/absolutely-blows-my-mind-reported-offers-for-fringe-players-questioned/
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AFL website stating what we already knew.
Whispers:
The Tigers have replaced David Astbury in their backline by targeting North Melbourne veteran Robbie Tarrant on a two-year deal as an unrestricted free agent. It shows Richmond's mindset of again having a dip at the flag next year. The Tigers will lose Mabior Chol as a free agent to Gold Coast while young key forward/ruck Callum Coleman-Jones has requested a trade to North Melbourne. The Tigers will push for a good pick from the Roos to add to an already very strong hand of selections. Richmond is interested in packaging up a couple of its early picks to move up the draft board, showing interest in the Suns' pick 3.
– Callum Twomey
https://www.afl.com.au/news/679307/trade-period-preview-your-clubs-targets-free-agents-latest-picks
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(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/attachments/1632728008880-png.1247438/)
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2021-afl-trade-radio.1286859/post-72373605
:laugh:
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RICHMOND
Can the dethroned on-field kings become the off-field kings with picks galore?
It’s become a common off-season sight in the Tigers’ dynastic period; rivals (usually Gold Coast) plucking fringe and depth players.
That’ll be the case this year too, with Callum Coleman-Jones seeking a trade to North Melbourne, and Mabior Chol to sign as a free agent at the Suns. But that won’t be all in 2021.
After missing the finals, and owning Geelong’s first-round pick thanks to a 2020 draft night deal, Richmond has more draft capital than every other club; two firsts (7 and 15), two seconds (26 and 28) and two thirds (40 and 44).
It seems almost inevitable they’ll get involved in deals because so many teams need something they have.
Only three clubs have multiple first-round picks; the Tigers, the Giants (2 and 13) and Brisbane (14 and 18).
Gold Coast is almost a fourth, owning an end-of-first-round compensation pick (19) as well as their natural selection (3), but they’re keen on trading out that high selection - whether for an experienced player or for multiple picks lower down the order.
Richmond and Adelaide are said to be among the clubs interested in a deal for pick 3, and using the Draft Value Index, a fair deal would see the Tigers gain that selection for picks 7 and either 26 or 28. (The Suns would probably ask for 7 and 15, which combined are worth pick 2 using the Index).
But the Tigers could also use their second and third-round picks to take advantage of sides like Collingwood and the Western Bulldogs, who need to match bids for father-son prospects Nick Daicos and Sam Darcy respectively.
Those bids are likely to fall in the top three, meaning both teams need more picks or else they’ll go into draft deficit for 2022. So could Richmond offer up 28, in the middle of the second round, for Collingwood’s future second (which could be juicy)?
What about 26 and 40 for the Bulldogs’ future first? After all, if the Grand Finalists think they’ll be contenders again in 2022, that pick would fall in the high teens anyway.
These pick swaps could be completed on draft night itself, but the Tigers’ sheer mass of selections gives them options - and in an off-season with tight salary caps almost across the board, flexibility is king.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-2021-kingmakers-of-the-trade-period-most-important-clubs-richmond-draft-picks-hawthorn-trade-out-veterans/news-story/b78637732535380115e19d6ac0caca43
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West Coast small forward Jarrod Cameron (younger brother of Charlie) has told the club he doesn’t want to play for them next season despite being contracted.
Edit: Update to 👇🏻
Cameron will take leave from footy. It’s not retirement, but it’s a break. Tough couple of years with injury.
AS things stand, Carlton is yet to be told by Adam Cerra they are his club of choice. Blues working with WC on a trade for Sam Petrevski-Seton & mulling over involving Jarrod Brander. Lochie O'Brien told to wait, but Will Setterfield is contracted for next year despite reports.
https://twitter.com/Sammy__Edmund
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Western Bulldogs and Geelong have been linked to Port Adelaide ruckman Peter Ladhams.
Brisbane are contemplating several tall options to bolster their big-man stocks, reports The Herald Sun. They include ex-Blue Levi Casboult, Cat Darcy Fort and Magpie Mason Cox.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-2021-trades-state-of-play-before-the-trade-period-start-date-every-clubs-draft-picks-free-agency-news/news-story/1e05e953ade695fd2f888b1badfbcb32
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Should Tigers blow the bank on O’Meara trade?
Melbourne’s premiership has shaken up the trade landscape. Why a Jaeger O’Meara to Richmond move makes sense for both clubs, plus the 11 deals you can take to the bank.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/wreck-it-ralph-ranking-the-11-players-certain-to-move-clubs-in-afl-trade-period/news-story/b01d8f5a590294b32429985e9b215f46
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Trade radio is a joke, it's starts way too early.
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Bulldog Patrick Lipinski requests trade, set for Pies move.
The Bulldogs and Magpies have both offered Lipinski a three-year contract but he is seeking more senior opportunity in black and white.
Collingwood has picks 36, 39, 41 and 45 but needs to add selections in order to match a bid for father-son gun Nick Daicos at the draft; giving them up for Lipinski will make that even more difficult.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/western-bulldog-patrick-lipinski-requests-trade-to-pies-20210928-p58vg1.html
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"I reckon we'll take a minimum of three. We'll probably look to push some picks into the future years."
- Craig Cameron on the Suns' draft hand this year.
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1442726699133661185
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Reckon those picks 19 and 22 are gettable for CCJ - if GC are keen
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If Brisbane recruit either Cox or Casboult I will wet myself
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LMAO Ralph Malph the squinty-eyed flog........
https://twitter.com/superfooty/status/1442705283713679363
:joker
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If Brisbane recruit either Cox or Casboult I will wet myself
Get your nappy ready. They could bring in both
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If Brisbane recruit either Cox or Casboult I will wet myself
Cox is odds on to be at the Blues now Crazy Vossy is in charge
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- Fremantle and Geelong face a period of negotiation to reach an agreement on Jordan Clark's move west, with the Dockers expected to baulk at any request for a first-round pick in exchange for the contracted speedster. The Cats believe Clark is worth a pick between Fremantle's current No.8 selection and their No.27 pick, having used pick No.15 in the 2018 NAB AFL Draft to recruit the 20-year-old. The Dockers, however, are understood to view their pick No.27 as a fair price to pay for a player who featured eight times in 2021 and was an unused medical substitute on a further three occasions.
- Gold Coast has revealed that midfielder Will Brodie has told the club he is open to exploring his options during this year's trade period, while Darcy Macpherson could also be looking to move.
- Geelong midfielder Charlie Constable could still return to GMHBA Stadium in 2022, but is open to opportunities elsewhere. The big-bodied onballer has "moderate" interest from rival clubs.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/682559/more-majak-for-melbourne-freo-names-price-for-cats-speedster
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#WHISPERS EXCLUSIVE
#TheWhisp can exclusively confirm that BEN KING has been having in depth, secret discussions about a trade to ESSENDON.
The young gun is said to be hell bent on a trade to the Bombers, citing their style of play and list build.
More to come…#AFL
https://twitter.com/AFLTradeWhisper/status/1442762235697266690
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This is from a troll account that has never got a single rumour correct.
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O'Meara stinks.
I'd rather Mitchell
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Sam Edmund talking up Lobb to Richmond.... :joker :joker
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Trade Blowtorch ranked 1-18: AFL clubs under the most pressure to make wise calls this October
Max Laughton and Ben Waterworth
Fox Sports
September 29th, 2021
9. RICHMOND
It’s not so much pressure as intrigue with the Tigers, who have the AFL’s largest draft hand and multiple players heading out the door.
With four picks in the top 28, they’ve got so many options; consolidate multiple picks into one higher up the order (like Gold Coast’s pick 3), or even trade for a ready-made player who can help them bounce back into flag contention in 2022. They’d be a perfect trade partner for Hawthorn if Sam Mitchell’s side was willing to send out a veteran or two.
They need to get a trade sorted for Callum Coleman-Jones, who’s heading to North Melbourne; they’ll also need to work out how best to acquire Robbie Tarrant from the Roos. If he comes via free agency, it could impact the draft compensation the Tigers receive when Mabior Chol signs at Gold Coast.
Again, it’s all about options. How hard do the Tigers go to ensure 2021 was a blip on the radar, and not a sign their era is over?
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-2021-clubs-under-the-most-pressure-this-trade-period-ranked-118-geelong-future-collingwood-getting-draft-picks-carlton-deals/news-story/d5d1c96427813434e7ee0543d0bc1c96
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Sam Edmund talking up Lobb to Richmond.... :joker :joker
TRADE speculation continues to surround Rory Lobb, who remains open to a move away from Freo. Two years remaining on a contract worth around $700k a year makes it tough, but if you could move to a contender like Richmond, would you be willing to take less? I think you would.
https://twitter.com/Sammy__Edmund/status/1443033907394347014
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Adam Cerra has officially nominated Carlton as his trade destination of choice, per Mitch Cleary.
"If I was Carlton I'd give Fremantle pick six and a future pick for Cerra and a later pick." - Sam Edmund
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1443062944737021955
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Adam Cerra has officially nominated Carlton as his trade destination of choice, per Mitch Cleary.
"If I was Carlton I'd give Fremantle pick six and a future pick for Cerra and a later pick." - Sam Edmund
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1443062944737021955
Three picks for one player never ever works
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The third pick would be coming back to the Blues from Freo.
So basically 2 picks.
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Good pick for Blues but they do not learn from past mistakes by overpaying for players.
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Wonder where this day ranks in his life compared to the 2017 GF? :shh
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Scumbaggers definitely up the their old tricks here....adding Cerra & Hewittt to Cripps, Weitering, Saad, McGovern, Martin, Williams, Docherty with McKay & Walsh almost certainly set for big pay days as well?
(https://c.tenor.com/LoZlpBdGi2AAAAAM/joe-biden-cmon-man.gif)
Even if I'm over estimating all that by 25% it still stinks to high heaven.....at the very least they're heading for a Colliwobbles-style meltdown & salary dump......perhaps we should at least be ready the fire sale this time...Cerra could very well end up being their Treloar down the track.... :shh
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Q. Is O'Meara leaving Hawthorn? Also, what's with Gunston and the Dees? After winning a flag and signing M.Brown and Daw back up, that seems very unlikely. Would he perhaps go somewhere else or stay Hawks?
A. I haven’t heard anything from Hawthorn or JOM’s camp, but maybe they should both consider it. Imagine him in Richmond’s system as a pure ball winner…
https://twitter.com/AFLTradeWhisper/status/1443165972127387650
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RICHMOND'S look at moving up the NAB AFL Draft order loomed as a possible unlocking of the Jordan Dawson trade to Adelaide, however the Crows do not plan to split their prized pick No.4.
The Tigers have one of the strongest draft hands in the League this year, holding picks 7, 15, 26 and 28 inside the first two rounds and have notified clubs they would look at packaging up selections to shift up the board, including having interest in Gold Coast's pick No.3.
The 2019-20 premiers are understood to have also been interested in grabbing the Crows' pick No.4 in exchange for a package including pick No.7 which would see Adelaide keep an early pick, while also having a bigger suite of selections to use to land Dawson from the Swans.
However, the Crows plan to hold their top pick and go to the draft as they push for more top-end talent, with their future first-round pick also not expected to be a part of any Dawson deal.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/682600/jordan-dawson-deal-gets-complicated-as-adelaide-turns-down-tigers-pick-swap
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Geez I wouldn’t give up too much to move from pick 7 to 4. From a points perspective the difference is the equivalent to pick 43.
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Its about a player not the points. Its clear we want someone and are prepared yo pay a price to get him. Whether its Callaghan or Ward or someone else who knows.
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WHY RICHMOND IS "GENUINELY INTERESTED" IN PICK DEAL AND THE CLUB THAT'S ALREADY KNOCKED THEM BACK
By Laurence Rosen
SEN
30 September 2021
Richmond remains “genuinely interested” in strengthening their draft hand even further, according to AFL Media’s Callum Twomey.
The Tigers enter this year’s player exchange and draft period with two first and two second-round picks.
While on paper the club would be relishing taking four top picks to the draft, Twomey revealed that Adelaide was approached about doing a potential pick swap deal to unlock the Jordan Dawson deal, following the Sydney winger’s trade request to the Crows.
“I think they’re genuinely interested (in moving up the draft),” he said on AFL Trade Radio’s Trade Exchange.
“They put something to the Crows, they knocked it back and that would’ve been a help to unlock the Jordan Dawson deal, that could have appeased the Swans in what they’re trying to get (in that deal) as well.
“Adelaide has picks four and 23 so I think there’s a middle ground there that has to be found.
“What a great hand Richmond has, they can (keep it) and still be in a pretty good spot, but if you can work your way up… if you look at what Melbourne did in 2015 (by trading up to land) Clayton Oliver, they worked their way up in the draft with that pick.”
Richmond General Manager of Football Performance Tim Livingstone said the club’s current draft picks afforded them extra flexibility to improve their position in both the 2021 and 2022 National Draft’s.
“The strong draft (hand) gives us the flexibility to maximises our position this year and next year,” he said on Sportsday.
“We’ll see what comes up with free agency and trade, we’ll see where everyone sits in respect to other clubs (in the coming weeks).”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/09/30/why-richmond-is-genuinely-interested-in-pick-deal-and-the-club-thats-already/
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Ive got one source and he only knows essendon poo unfortunately...
He reckons dylan clarke will be signed by us as an unrestricted free agent
Could just be having me on though so grain of salt, etc
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/trade-free-agency-talk-pt-4.1285869/post-72409122
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EXCLUSIVE.
Carlton are in damage control after a spectacular approach by RICHMOND for contracted and injury prone star CHARLIE CURNOW.
Curnow and his team have met with Richmond, with the Curnow camp considering their options for a trade request.
More to follow…
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FAhVqIWUUAEZdDa?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/AFLTradeWhisper/status/1443497867667128324
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C.Curnow on the move?!?! Rumoured to be approached by Richmond and considering all options.
However, Curnow will more than likely stay a blue…
https://twitter.com/AFLtrade2trade/status/1443498551745474561
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Approach with extreme caution.
Knee probably stuffed for good.
Shame, gun player.
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Pass
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Bulldogs tall Lewis Young will explore his options at rivals before weighing up whether to accept a deal to remain at Whitten Oval.
Young, 22, will meet with prospective clubs over the coming days as the Dogs await an answer on his future.
The Grand Finalists have had a two-year offer in front of Young for more than a month and want him to be part of their long-term future. However, he will take his time to work through whether stronger opportunities lie elsewhere.
Young played nine matches this season, including two finals as a pinch-hit ruckman. But it took his career tally to just 24 games across five seasons after he was drafted in the months following the Dogs' 2016 premiership.
The 202cm South Australian arrived as a key forward but has spent more time in defence at the Dogs.
Richmond is in need of key position stocks with Mabior Chol (Gold Coast) and Callum Coleman-Jones (North Melbourne) headed for the exit door, and fringe defenders Ryan Garthwaite, Bigoa Nyuon and Ben Miller out of contract. Veteran Roo Robbie Tarrant will cross as a like-for-like replacement for David Astbury.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/682678
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Approach with extreme caution.
Knee probably stuffed for good.
Shame, gun player.
It's from a troll account so it's all moot anyway but would be definitely worth a punt if he was cheap enough....which of course he wouldn't be ..:shh
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Jon Ralph in the HeraldSun claiming GWS are keen on Mac Andrew and so they may trade their pick 2 because they think they can get him with a later pick.
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https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/10/01/it-wont-go-away-five-experienced-hawks-in-rivals-sights/
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EXCLUSIVE.
Carlton are in damage control after a spectacular approach by RICHMOND for contracted and injury prone star CHARLIE CURNOW.
Curnow and his team have met with Richmond, with the Curnow camp considering their options for a trade request.
More to follow…
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FAhVqIWUUAEZdDa?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/AFLTradeWhisper/status/1443497867667128324
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FAlGgNCVQAEx3MS?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/AFLTradeWhisper
lol.
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It's from a troll account
:shh
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Would also suggest Continetal Tyres lawyers probably contacted twitter.... :shh :shh
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Paperwork officially lodged.
Carlton made an offer to Restricted Free Agent George Hewitt (Sydney Swans). The Sydney Swans are now in the three-day period where the club can decide whether to match the offer or not. The three-day period ends 4pm AEDT, Monday October 4.
https://twitter.com/AFL_House/status/1443833263722618880
The Adelaide Crows will receive a Round Three selection (currently pick 42) in the 2021 NAB AFL Draft for Jake Kelly signing with the Essendon Football Club.
https://twitter.com/AFL_House/status/1443827965498839041
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Gold Coast and North Melbourne are exploring an innovative trade that would see the Roos acquire the Suns' pick No.19 plus half-forward Darcy Macpherson.
AFL.com.au understands both clubs have been discussing a 'salary dump' which would see the Roos take on the bulk of Macpherson's wage while also offering greater playing opportunities.
The Suns this week received confirmation they would be granted access to pick 19 in this year's NAB AFL Draft and quickly turned to conversations around on-trading the selection.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/682741/salary-dump-could-see-sun-move-south-in-trade-with-draft-pick-twist
How is this allowed? Cash for picks/players? :huh
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Tom Browne on 7news just now said the Bulldogs and us are working behind the scenes over bunching some of our 2nd/3rd round picks in exchange for their first round pick #17.
The Dogs need the draft points for Sam Darcy and we now have them to spare with 5 picks in the 2nd/3rd rounds.
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Tom Browne on 7news just now said the Bulldogs and us are working behind the scenes over bunching some of our 2nd/3rd round picks in exchange for their first round pick #17.
The Dogs need the draft points for Sam Darcy and we now have them to spare with 5 picks in the 2nd/3rd rounds.
Watch here: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1443861066828574722
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Tom Browne on 7news just now said the Bulldogs and us are working behind the scenes over bunching some of our 2nd/3rd round picks in exchange for their first round pick #17.
The Dogs need the draft points for Sam Darcy and we now have them to spare with 5 picks in the 2nd/3rd rounds.
Mmmmm would like to see us bunch those picks to move a bit higher than 17 in the draft.
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Tom Browne on 7news just now said the Bulldogs and us are working behind the scenes over bunching some of our 2nd/3rd round picks in exchange for their first round pick #17.
The Dogs need the draft points for Sam Darcy and we now have them to spare with 5 picks in the 2nd/3rd rounds.
Mmmmm would like to see us bunch those picks to move a bit higher than 17 in the draft.
I'm presuming we will try to do this in steps.
Dogs need at most 2000 points if they cop an early bid for Sam Darcy at pick 2 (2517 minus 20% discount).
Our picks are worth:
Pick 7 1644 points
Pick 15 1112
Pick 26 729
Pick 28 677
Pick 38 465
Pick 41 412
Pick 46 331
26+38+41+46 = 729+465+412+331 = 1937
26+28+41+46 = 729+677+412+331 = 2149
15+38+46 = 1112+677+331 = 2120 .... doubt we'll include pick 15 as we want to move up the draft so this is unlikely.
Dogs' first rounder pick 17 is worth 1025 points. So we would need the Dogs first #17 plus a late first or early 2nd in return to match the points. Probably their future first as they have no other valuable picks this year after their first.
There should be extra options as well depending on what happens with CCJ and Lipinski trades. Say we get the media option of North's pick 39 (+ Tarrant?) for CCJ then:
26+38+39+46 = 729+465+446+331 = 1971
26+38+39+41 = 729+465+446+412 = 2052.
The latter would leave us with picks 7, 15, 17, 28, 46 plus say a future (Dogs) first round pick.
Once the above is achieved then the next job would be trying to put them together to convince either GWS, Suns or Adelaide to trade their first pick inside the top 4. GWS apparently want to draft Mac Andrew so they could get him at our pick 7 while giving us pick 2. We'd throw in another pick to even out the points.
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MT,
We would trade more points for their higher pick worth less points.
Probably 38 + 41 + 46 for 17
1208 points for 1,025 points.
We get a better kid, they get more points.
I wouldn't include 26 or 28 of possible to avoid.
Might also have more change coming our way for CCJ.
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The Sydney Swans have elected to not match the offer and George Hewett is now able to join Carlton immediately.
The Sydney Swans are to receive an end of Round Two compensation selection.
https://twitter.com/AFL_House/status/1444150045834571780
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Tom Browne on 7news just now said the Bulldogs and us are working behind the scenes over bunching some of our 2nd/3rd round picks in exchange for their first round pick #17.
The Dogs need the draft points for Sam Darcy and we now have them to spare with 5 picks in the 2nd/3rd rounds.
Watch here: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1443861066828574722
As per last night's report:
DOGS’ PICK 17 PART OF TRADE TALKS WITH TIGERS TO HELP LAND DARCY
Richmond and the Western Bulldogs are exploring a trade that would see the Tigers land Pick 17 in exchange for later selections to help facilitate father-son prospect Sam Darcy’s move to Whitten Oval, reports 7 News’ Tom Browne.
It comes as Richmond received an end of second-round compensation pick (No. 38) for free agent Mabior Chol signing with Gold Coast Suns.
The Tigers are now armed with a strong hand ahead of the November National Draft, holding Picks 7, 15, 26, 28, 38, 40 and 44.
And with Darcy expected to receive a bid with one of the early selections, the Dogs need to add draft points, currently only holding Picks 17 and 72.
“The Tigers have five picks now in the second and third rounds. Richmond can in effect group those up for Pick 17,” Browne said.
“The Dogs can then use those draft points for their star father-son prospect. That’s what they’re working on behind the scenes.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/department-of-trade/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-gold-coast-suns-and-north-melbourne-salary-dump-darcy-macpherson-richmond-swap-with-western-bulldogs-draft-points-pick-17-sam-darcy/news-story/f67648025318beb07ea61a23ce4a38ea
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Out-of-contract Docker Darcy Tucker’s future at the club is uncertain. Geelong is reportedly among Victorian clubs interested in the Fremantle midfielder, according to the West Australian.
West Coast has launched a bid for Western Bulldogs ruckman Jordon Sweet, reports AFL Media. Sweet, 23, is reportedly exploring his options after a lack of senior opportunities at the Bulldogs, stuck behind veteran ruckman Stefan Martin this season.
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/department-of-trade/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-darcy-tucker-to-geelong-clubs-interested-swap-west-coast-jordon-sweet/news-story/40eca3c444c1ae6bed8e6992932a17c5?recommendedCount=0).
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Pretty sure we were linked to Tucker at some point last year when were trying to get Cerra......either way Geelong are welcome to him... :shh
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The Bulldogs ... are reportedly eyeing off Richmond’s picks in the 20s in exchange for pick 17 in what would be a win-win trade to land Darcy.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/get-out-the-calculators-how-collingwood-land-son-of-a-gun-nick-daicos-20211001-p58wb5.html
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The Bulldogs ... are reportedly eyeing off Richmond’s picks in the 20s in exchange for pick 17 in what would be a win-win trade to land Darcy.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/get-out-the-calculators-how-collingwood-land-son-of-a-gun-nick-daicos-20211001-p58wb5.html
I wouldnt do that. They can take later picks for points. Id keep our picks in the 20s. In the 20s you can find decent players so thats a No for me.
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The Bulldogs ... are reportedly eyeing off Richmond’s picks in the 20s in exchange for pick 17 in what would be a win-win trade to land Darcy.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/get-out-the-calculators-how-collingwood-land-son-of-a-gun-nick-daicos-20211001-p58wb5.html
I wouldnt do that. They can take later picks for points. Id keep our picks in the 20s. In the 20s you can find decent players so thats a No for me.
100%
Especially if we get a pick for CCJ maybe 39 + something else like Tarrant.
They can eye off 38, 39, 41 & 46. Work something out there.
If we go to the draft with 7, 15, 17, 26 & 28 I'm thrilled.
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Yep. Spot on. Trade them later picks not the picks in the 20s.
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The Bulldogs ... are reportedly eyeing off Richmond’s picks in the 20s in exchange for pick 17 in what would be a win-win trade to land Darcy.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/get-out-the-calculators-how-collingwood-land-son-of-a-gun-nick-daicos-20211001-p58wb5.html
I wouldnt do that. They can take later picks for points. Id keep our picks in the 20s. In the 20s you can find decent players so thats a No for me.
100%
Especially if we get a pick for CCJ maybe 39 + something else like Tarrant.
They can eye off 38, 39, 41 & 46. Work something out there.
If we go to the draft with 7, 15, 17, 26 & 28 I'm thrilled.
What if we get pick 20? Would you let go of 28.
I would.
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If we got 20 I would let 28 go but not to the bulldogs. We can use it to upgrade another pick but unless we got 20 first I wouldnt do it. At 20 you can get a decent player.
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If we get 20 I'd let 28 go HRT. If it was the dogs wed still be looking at 5 picks in the top 30. Golden chance here to set ourselves up for a decade or so.
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The issue is the dogs dont need our picks in the 20s we can accomodate them with later picks. Theyre the ones who need the points for Darcy not us.
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We are in a good position with a few clubs looking for points, so no rush , look for the best deal at this stage . If we don’t do a deal , trade some picks into next year so no loss. At a guess , We will probably have to give up pick 38 for 20 in the Tarrant /Colman Jones trade but it’s a good position to be in.
PS : heard a rumour that Collingwood need a key forward ruck and may like to put wrap Coleman Jones and ours pick to match Daicos for their 1st next year- no source , it came from Collingwood link. I hope it’s true
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Reductions in list sizes and the salary cap are the major factors behind why this looms as a somnolence-inducing 10-day AFL trade period.
Of the players widely expected to be traded, it is likely only Adam Cerra (Fremantle to Carlton), Jordan Dawson (Sydney to Adelaide) and maybe Jordan Clark (Geelong to Fremantle) will move in deals involving first-round draft selections. There could yet be curve-balls and deals which have not yet emerged publicly, but the widespread expectation from clubs is the next week and a half are going to be as dull as the 2017 Boxing Day Test.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trade-period-looms-as-quietest-in-more-than-a-decade-20211002-p58wp6.html
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Tiges another one who’s looking to improve their Draft hand. In terms of trades, Lobb is an option and is on their radar but it’s tough to see how a deal gets done.
https://twitter.com/AFLTradeTalk/status/1444508831455735808
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BLAIR HARTLEY (Richmond GM of football talent) and TIM LIVINGSTONE (Richmond GM of football performance)
We’ve paired these two top Tigers, who share duties leading the football department with help from senior advisor Neil Balme, as they head into a trade period in a very different scenario to that of recent years.
For once, Richmond isn’t simply trying to top-up a premiership list, adding a free agent like Tom Lynch or just eyeing movement around the fringes. They’ve already been busy, with Mabior Chol departing in free agency and at least one trade to work out with North Melbourne as Callum Coleman-Jones exits and Robbie Tarrant joins.
But it’s their hefty draft hand that makes the Tigers so interesting this year. After free agency compensation, they now hold seven top-47 selections - 7, 15, 26, 28, an end-of-second-round pick, 42 and 47. They’ll add another in the Coleman-Jones trade.
They’ve reportedly already offered a deal to Adelaide to try and move up to pick 4, which was rejected, and could be a suitor for Gold Coast’s pick 3, while sending several late picks to the Western Bulldogs for pick 17 makes a lot of sense for both sides.
At the very least, expect the Tigers to try and consolidate their picks in some fashion, because they don’t need to take eight usable picks into the draft - they wouldn’t be able to use them all.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-most-important-figures-of-the-trade-period-graham-wright-peter-bell-toughest-decisions/news-story/a34f4ec300e738ad03f0c1cf9769df6a
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The Western Bulldogs, who need points to match a bid for father-son prospect Sam Darcy (likely to fall in the top five), are eyeing Richmond’s picks 26 and 28 in a trade for their pick 17.
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The Age reports the Magpies will target third and fourth-round picks from other clubs - for reference pick 40, the first in the third round, is worth 429 points - and are willing to trade out future second or third-round picks.
They could also trade out one of their earlier picks for a number of late selections - for example 36 for Brisbane’s 47, 51 and 57.
To make things more complicated, Collingwood must have a vacant spot on its list for every pick it gains in the 2021 draft. This is why it’s believed eight players - Isaac Chugg, Mason Cox, Max Lynch, John Noble, Scott Pendlebury, Jay Rantall, Brayden Sier and Josh Thomas - remain officially unsigned (though Pendlebury clearly will be).
The Magpies are also looking to trade in the Western Bulldogs’ Patrick Lipinski and Geelong’s Nathan Kreuger; they’re keen to use future picks, or at worst their later third-round picks, to add the pair.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-collingwood-trade-plan-how-theyll-match-bid-for-nick-daicos-essendon-trade-plan-draft-picks/news-story/785b192f9c822412dc7aaf4f9f4b152e
To make things more complicated, Collingwood must have a vacant spot on its list for every pick it gains in the 2021 draft. This is why it’s believed eight players - Isaac Chugg, Mason Cox, Max Lynch, John Noble, Scott Pendlebury, Jay Rantall, Brayden Sier and Josh Thomas - remain officially unsigned (though Pendlebury clearly will be).
The Magpies are also looking to trade in the Western Bulldogs’ Patrick Lipinski and Geelong’s Nathan Kreuger; they’re keen to use future picks, or at worst their later third-round picks, to add the pair.
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MT,
We would trade more points for their higher pick worth less points.
Probably 38 + 41 + 46 for 17
1208 points for 1,025 points.
We get a better kid, they get more points.
I wouldn't include 26 or 28 of possible to avoid.
Might also have more change coming our way for CCJ.
True Andyy. We'll definitely have to pay more in points to get 17 otherwise it's no point (excuse the pun) for the Dogs to do it.
My earlier post was looking at how the Dogs could get all their points for Darcy from us. But it sounds now more like they just want some of the points from us they'll need for Darcy. So you're idea of 38+41+46 for 17 makes sense. I think we've now got 38+42+47 with the other compos paid (1176 pts). If we give away CCJ for 40 as 7 news suggests then we could offer 40+42+47 = 1140 pts.
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40 42 47 works well.they get darcy we get to use a decent pick to get in another junior.
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Would you trade 7,15 &42 for Crows 4, 23 & 37 (15 for Dawson sounds right for Swans).
Gives us 4, 23, 26, 28, 37, 38, 40 (CCJ) 47
Trade 37, 38, 47 for 17
Gives us 4, 17, 23, 26, 28, 40
Could then try and trade a combo of picks in the 20s for another early first rounder in the teens like Port (16) etc.
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Yes.
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Anyone rate Darcy Wilmott. Has a bit of the Nick Vlastuins about him as a player and has decent leadership abilities from what Ive heard. Early 20s pick maybe.
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* Tom Mitchell / Jaeger O'Meara
Hawthorn's rebuild is on and trading away one of their two midfield guns has been flagged as a way for new coach Sam Mitchell to secure high-end draft picks to use on elite young talent. Richmond are one club that have a strong draft hand and could look to Mitchell or O'Meara to beef up their on-ball division for another premiership tilt.
https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl/the-moves-to-watch-in-the-afl-trade-period-c-4135604
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I've heard on Adelaide radio that the Tiges are looking at him [Tyson Stengle] again... I won't say no...
https://twitter.com/mallen101/status/1444555382119034882
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I've heard on Adelaide radio that the Tiges are looking at him [Tyson Stengle] again... I won't say no...
https://twitter.com/mallen101/status/1444555382119034882
Ffs no way Jose
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No Thanks
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The Western Bulldogs, who need points to match a bid for father-son prospect Sam Darcy (likely to fall in the top five), are eyeing Richmond’s picks 26 and 28 in a trade for their pick 17.
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The Age reports the Magpies will target third and fourth-round picks from other clubs - for reference pick 40, the first in the third round, is worth 429 points - and are willing to trade out future second or third-round picks.
They could also trade out one of their earlier picks for a number of late selections - for example 36 for Brisbane’s 47, 51 and 57.
To make things more complicated, Collingwood must have a vacant spot on its list for every pick it gains in the 2021 draft. This is why it’s believed eight players - Isaac Chugg, Mason Cox, Max Lynch, John Noble, Scott Pendlebury, Jay Rantall, Brayden Sier and Josh Thomas - remain officially unsigned (though Pendlebury clearly will be).
The Magpies are also looking to trade in the Western Bulldogs’ Patrick Lipinski and Geelong’s Nathan Kreuger; they’re keen to use future picks, or at worst their later third-round picks, to add the pair.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-collingwood-trade-plan-how-theyll-match-bid-for-nick-daicos-essendon-trade-plan-draft-picks/news-story/785b192f9c822412dc7aaf4f9f4b152e
To make things more complicated, Collingwood must have a vacant spot on its list for every pick it gains in the 2021 draft. This is why it’s believed eight players - Isaac Chugg, Mason Cox, Max Lynch, John Noble, Scott Pendlebury, Jay Rantall, Brayden Sier and Josh Thomas - remain officially unsigned (though Pendlebury clearly will be).
The Magpies are also looking to trade in the Western Bulldogs’ Patrick Lipinski and Geelong’s Nathan Kreuger; they’re keen to use future picks, or at worst their later third-round picks, to add the pair.
Not for 26 and 28 for pick 17.
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* Tom Mitchell / Jaeger O'Meara
Hawthorn's rebuild is on and trading away one of their two midfield guns has been flagged as a way for new coach Sam Mitchell to secure high-end draft picks to use on elite young talent. Richmond are one club that have a strong draft hand and could look to Mitchell or O'Meara to beef up their on-ball division for another premiership tilt.
https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl/the-moves-to-watch-in-the-afl-trade-period-c-4135604
Meedja flogs just itching for us to trade away our draft hand on recycled has- beens... :shh
I've heard on Adelaide radio that the Tiges are looking at him [Tyson Stengle] again... I won't say no...
https://twitter.com/mallen101/status/1444555382119034882
Kid can play - upgrade on Aarse & Cantkickit at the very least, already knows how we operate and would cost nothing.....unfortunately he'd be surplus to our needs atm.. :shh
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The Western Bulldogs, who need points to match a bid for father-son prospect Sam Darcy (likely to fall in the top five), are eyeing Richmond’s picks 26 and 28 in a trade for their pick 17.
Come back when you're serious, Scraggers....:thumbsdown
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Not getting why the Bulldogs would be eyeing off 26 and 28. They only need the pick points value so the draft number is not relevant
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Not getting why the Bulldogs would be eyeing off 26 and 28. They only need the pick points value so the draft number is not relevant
26 & 28 = 1406
17 = 1025
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With Lachie Young requesting a trade to Carlton, the Western Bulldogs are already thinking about securing his replacement in Hawthorn free agent Tim O'Brien.
Collingwood and Gold Coast are poised for a significant pick swap that will help the Magpies secure draft points to cover a bid for father-son Nick Daicos. AFL.com.au understands the Pies are set to land the Suns' picks 22, 46 and 58 in a trade for future selections in the second and third rounds.
Geelong or the Western Bulldogs could be a new home for Hawk Jonathon Ceglar.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/682863/trade-talk-live-will-big-boys-be-on-the-move-
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Whispers:
The Tigers have replaced David Astbury in their backline by targeting North Melbourne veteran Robbie Tarrant on a two-year deal as an unrestricted free agent. It shows Richmond's mindset of again having a dip at the flag next year. The Tigers have lost Mabior Chol via free agency to Gold Coast while young key forward/ruck Callum Coleman-Jones has requested a trade to North Melbourne. The Tigers will push for a good pick from the Roos to add to an already very strong hand of selections. Richmond is interested in packaging up a couple of its early picks to move up the draft board, showing interest in the Suns' pick 3.
– Callum Twomey
https://www.afl.com.au/news/679307/your-club-s-trade-plans-targets-free-agents-whispers-latest-picks
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DOGS FIELDING OFFERS FOR PICK 17
Tom Morris reports...
The Western Bulldogs are fielding offers from at least two clubs for Pick 17.
Adelaide and Richmond are keen on the selection for different reasons.
The Crows would like to move up the draft order so they can use the pick on Jordan Dawson, while the Tigers are keen to package later selections to have more of a presence in the first round.
It remains to be seen whether Sydney would even accept Pick 17 for Dawson, though Adelaide and other list managers believe it’s about right for the 24-year-old.
Richmond’s draft hand – once Callum Coleman-Jones goes to North Melbourne – is very strong.
They currently have seven picks inside 47 that will becomes eight once the Roos and Tigers come to an agreement on the key forward.
Richmond would love to have a third first rounder and this is why they are eyeing off the Dogs Pick 17 to add to 7 and 15.
The Dogs will get picks back for Pat Lipinski (to Collingwood) and Lewis Young (to Carlton) once those deals go through.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-trade-blog-and-live-chat-for-october-4-free-agency-trade-period-opens-news/news-story/2113809216fecb413ae18915cf381c52
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From Foxsports' live trade chat:
Q. Will Richmond get pick 17 from the Bulldogs? No one has more to offer than Richmond..
David Zita: Think the more likely move would be trying to do a swap with the Suns for Pick 3 given how many draft picks they have and how few list spots at the same time.
Q. I wouldn't be surprised if Richmond tries to get Pick 3 from GCS as well, but surely trading with the Dogs' 17 makes the most sense for all of Richmond's late 2nd & early 3rd round picks. Gold Coast definitely don't need all those late picks, but the Dogs need points. less
Max Loughton: Agreed, they're one of the most logical trade partners for the Dogs.
Q. Richmond picks 7, 20 (assuming this is CCJ pick from North), 28, 38 and 42 for Picks 3 and 22 from Gold Coast.
Max Loughton: Gold Coast don't need extra picks. If anything they need to get rid of picks.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-trade-blog-and-live-chat-for-october-4-free-agency-trade-period-opens-news/news-story/2113809216fecb413ae18915cf381c52
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The swap of picks between Collingwood and Gold Coast flagged early today is imminent.
Gold Coast is sending picks 22, 46, 58, 79 and a future 4th to Collingwood for future 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trade-period-live-updates-day-1-player-movement-begins-as-all-eyes-go-to-carlton-cerra-20211003-p58wvg.html
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The swap of picks between Collingwood and Gold Coast flagged early today is imminent.
Gold Coast is sending picks 22, 46, 58, 79 and a future 4th to Collingwood for future 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trade-period-live-updates-day-1-player-movement-begins-as-all-eyes-go-to-carlton-cerra-20211003-p58wvg.html
Deal Done.
The move gives Collingwood a much stronger hand to not only cover the points for an expected top-three bid for gun midfielder Daicos but also more capital to land trade targets Nathan Kreuger from Geelong and Patrick Lipinski from the Western Bulldogs.
Pick No.22 becomes Collingwood's first pick at this year's draft, meaning their hand will now be 22, 36, 41, 43, 46, 48, 58 and 79. No.79 is not worth any draft points in the AFL’s metrics but could become a lower pick on draft night once bids are made in the fluid draft order.
The Suns were willing to part with the picks this year and load up for next year's draft given their tight list and the unlikelihood of them using the selections at this year's intake. It gives them an extremely strong hand heading into next year, with the club currently holding all of its own picks for 2022 plus the Pies’ suite of selections.
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Hawthorn had also been interested in the salary dump move involving Macpherson, with the Hawks' offer including a bid to claim the Suns' pick No.3 amongst the swap.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/682944
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Far-fetched I know but this was mentioned as the trade rumour on how we 'could' get picks 2 & 3.
1) Picks 7 & 15 for pick 2 assuming GWS want Mac Andrew who will still be available at 7.
2) 17 + future pick(s) for Gold Coast's pick 3.
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Puddytats just traded Kreuger & 55 to Filth for 41... :shh
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'The Bulldogs have a lot of work to do to get the points to afford Sam Darcy. The club that's looking at their Pick 17 is Adelaide, because they need that for Jordan Dawson.'
- Riley Beveridge
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1445181934930300931
Tyson Stengle has signalled his intent to get back to AFL level.
"I think I'm good enough," he said. "Obviously if you don't believe then you shouldn't go and play [AFL]. I believe and I want to go and play."
The 22-year-old was a chance to be included in the mid-season draft, with Collingwood and former club Richmond reportedly keeping tabs on him after his delisting.
https://www.zerohanger.com/former-crow-aiming-for-afl-return-91996/
Gold Coast's Darcy Macpherson is so far refusing a trade to North Melbourne.
It has been reported that Gold Coast are exploring a “salary dump” deal in which the contracted Macpherson and pick 19 would be sent to North if the Kangaroos footed the bill for the last year of McPherson’s back-ended contract.
But it can be revealed negotiations over the trade have also involved North handing future picks back to the Suns.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/10/04/contracted-sun-refusing-to-be-traded-to-north-melbourne/
The Saints have interest in the Kangaroos big man Tristan Xerri as they search for someone to partner with Rowan Marshall beyond next season as Paddy Ryder’s retirement looms, reports the Herald Sun.
Sydney has renewed its interest in Peter Ladhams after a lunching a bid for him last year. Hawthorn are also interested.
Hawthorn have told Jonathan Ceglar to explore his opportunities elsewhere for 2022.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-documentary-2021-new-doco-involving-player-agents-for-2022-after-amazon-making-their-mark-program/news-story/04a76e2e4220d63825db3c6511f7b8be?recommendedCount=0
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Hawthorn are cashed up from the Scully & Patton retirements and could pay a chunk of Tom Mitchell or Jack Gunston's salaries if they were to go to a new club. Coach Sam Mitchell wants to target the draft to accelerate their rebuild.
Luke Dunstan expected to get a life line at a Victorian club announced this week. Club unknown at this stage but expected to be one contending.
Geelong showing interest in Jonathan Ceglar.
Sam Powell-Pepper keen to return to Perth.
https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1445240093803909121
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This trade week is full of duds or unproven talent wanting to move. Either that or the very exiting pick swaps with no players invloved at all. All this time and media spent talking about it.
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Richmond is in an interesting position with a strong draft hand, but what will it do with seven picks inside 50?
@caltwomey and @rileybev break it down on Trade Exchange: https://twitter.com/AFLcomau/status/1445205360235585542
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INTRIGUE SURROUNDS TIGERS
Richmond is shaping as one of the most interesting clubs of both the Continental Tyres AFL Trade Period and next month’s NAB AFL Draft, according to AFL.com.au’s Cal Twomey.
The Tigers have seven picks inside the top 50, the first of which is pick No.7, with three more inside the top 28, with more picks around that mark possible if they execute a trade with North Melbourne for big man Callum Coleman-Jones.
"It’s unfamiliar for them and it is their first top 10 pick since Nick Vlastuin in 2012. He might be captain next year which shows you what a great pick that was," Twomey said.
North has the leverage with the Tigers in any trade dealings for Coleman-Jones because of the option to walk him to the pre-season draft.
Twomey said the Tigers have a great track record at finding players in the second and third rounds with Shai Bolton, the 29th pick in 2016 one of the “great selections”.
“They’re in a good position to benefit with those selections but they also have options. They’re in discussions with other clubs about pick swaps and they’ll take place for another week.”
https://www.afl.com.au/news/682946/trade-talk-live-tuesday-october-5
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"If I was Richmond, you're still in contention, I'd give up pick 15 for one of them."
- Matt Rendell on Mitchell, O'Meara, Gunston and Wingard.
"I do know that leading into the start of the trade period, pretty much every footy club knew if you wanted to get serious about it, it was a conversation worth having."
-Damian Barrett on Tom Mitchell.
https://twitter.com/traderadio
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Richmond asked Adelaide if they could get involved in the Dawson trade to move up the draft order but the Crows said no to trading pick 4.
https://www.afl.com.au/video/683001/tigers-draft-plans-why-are-eagles-ignoring-glaring-weakness-
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Riveting trade period so far.
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Monday - Thursday trade window. It goes for way too long
As far as trade radio goes SOS and Rendell are going through who they'd dig up from the past for each team.
Enough said.
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I wouldn't be against the club looking at Brander from the Eagles for the right price got a bit of upside.
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The Crows have gone to the Bulldogs directly to try and get pick 17. It's only the Swans that are stopping it from going through.
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Adelaide is waiting on an answer from Sydney after offering a first-round pick for Jordan Dawson.
Foxfooty.com.au understands the Crows organised for a swap of picks with the Western Bulldogs that would give them Pick 17, but told Sydney they would only do that deal if No.17 would be enough for Dawson.
The proposal was put to the Swans on Monday evening and has not been accepted yet.
If Sydney rejects it, the Dogs will likely look to discuss Pick 17 with other clubs – such as Richmond – leaving the Crows and Swans back at square one.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/department-of-trade/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-trade-blog-and-live-chat-for-october-5-free-agency-trade-period-updates-news/news-story/c465946d9d490723ecca34495721a742
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I'm not convinced pick 26 and 28 what dogs want for 17 is a great deal there 2 good picks we seem to always nail in that area.
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I wouldn't be against the club looking at Brander from the Eagles for the right price got a bit of upside.
Brander's a dud who regularly gets beaten by opponents in the WAFL.... :shh
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Luke Dustan to choose Melbourne tomorrow.
Hawthorn willing to trade Tom Mitchell if they can get a top 10 pick.
Multiple clubs interested in Tyson Stengle including Geelong.
Port Adelaide want a first round pick for Peter Ladhams.
Sources: 7news & 9news.
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Can’t wait until Richmond fans opinion of Mason Cox change when he gets traded there next weekend for a future 4th round draft pick. Covers the loss of Chol and Coleman-Jones. Adequate enough ruck cover for when Nank gets injured again. #AFLTrade
https://twitter.com/Marruso89/status/1445291187821170690
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Cox :lol
Sometimes I find myself wondering if an extractor like Mitchell could be good for us if we go for another flag. Take the heat off Cotchin, Prestia, allow Bolton/Dusty to stay forward.
But our first pick....nah.
And no way would I be trading our 26 & 28 to Dogs for 17. They can have the poo change 38, 40, 41 & 47 or whatever the hell it is. Maybe for 17 + future 3rd.
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We have no cap space. Has been stated several times - on and off the record. Guess that rules out Mitchell, Cox, Jaegar etc
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If we could afford Mitchell or O'Meara we would've got Cerra... :shh
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Extra money to offer CCJ
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Adam Cerra’s move to Carlton appears reliant on Geelong and Fremantle striking an agreement, if not a deal, involving Jordan Clark.
The Cats’ starting point in negotiations for Clark was pick 8 and have intimated they would like a late first-round selection for the contracted former No.15 pick.
The Blues will have to give up pick 6 for Cerra, but the Dockers are hoping to also swap their second-round pick (27) for Carlton’s (25). They would then on-trade 25 to Geelong for Clark.
Carlton has been offered pick 52 by West Coast in exchange for Sam Petrevski-Seton, which they could then on-trade to the Western Bulldogs for defender Lewis Young.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-trade-blog-and-live-chat-for-october-6-free-agency-trade-period-updates-news/news-story/ca59f89dc466fcc65f3085dbb1de06cb
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Tyson Stengle was viewed as a candidate for the mid-season draft but was not selected, instead helping the Eagles win consecutive state league flags, kicking 44 goals including nine during the finals series.
However Stengle skipped the club’s celebrations on Tuesday in order to have Zoom meetings with rival clubs.
Seven reports Geelong has shown interest while Melbourne, Collingwood and Richmond have also been linked to the forward. He can be signed as a delisted free agent.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-melbourne-linked-to-free-agent-luke-dunstan-tyson-stengle-return-to-afl-teams-interested/news-story/65bb23dd0531f5a71135efd6002d4831
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Has this kid got his poo together? Our small forwards have been poor
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Im open to taking him back.
Can play.
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Agree but don't think we'll have the list space to accommodate both him and all our draft targets....of course if we hadn't just re-signed Cantkickit for two bloody years and his comedy partner Aarse wasn't still contracted we probably would... >:(
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Wow what a week it will be if we can get Tyson Stengle.
WTF is going on?
Hell no.
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If we get Stengle how are we going to develop MRJ?
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Had his chance and left us , sacked by Adelaide after a few chance, no thanks, draft a kid
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Darcy Macpherson will remain and play for Gold Coast next year. North Melbourne did not budge on its two-year offer for Macpherson. Consequently, all parties have now moved on. So this means the Suns' Pick 19 remains up for grabs, with Melbourne, North Melbourne, Fremantle and Port Adelaide expressing interest.
Port Adelaide has struck deal with the Giants for Jeremy Finlayson. GWS to get a third round pick.
Hawthorn's Tim O’Brien is set to join the Western Bulldogs as an unrestricted free agent on a multi-year deal.
Collingwood are planning to use pick 58 (linked to the Suns) to acquire Bulldog Patrick Lipinski.
Adelaide has reportedly met with Melbourne’s Kade Chandler as the small forward seeks more senior opportunities.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-trade-blog-and-live-chat-for-october-6-free-agency-trade-period-updates-news/news-story/ca59f89dc466fcc65f3085dbb1de06cb
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Geelong has confirmed its interest in Tyson Stengle. Part of that is Eddie Betts being the Cats' new assistant coach.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-tracker-2021-afl-trade-news-trade-period-list-of-done-deals-every-completed-move-trades-and-free-agent-signings/news-story/20b934a3a001687606ecbc3571b6d63a
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@Adamcooney17 is back with another mega trade for your Wednesday.
Is this how Peter Ladhams, Tom Mitchell and Jonathon Ceglar all move clubs?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FA_C1kyVgAIrUal?format=jpg&name=medium)
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1445591706175303686
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And if you thought that last offering was ridiculous and that those on trade radio are just bored and making things up to past the time ...
... You're right! :lol
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FA-pFOSVEA4Dm8n?format=jpg&name=large)
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1445560140271271939
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Laughable
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Looks like the Dogs' pick 17 may be going elsewhere.
From Mitch Cleary:
Four-way trade in the works involving Adel, Melb, STK, WB.
Will see Melb end up with the Dogs' pick 17.
Dogs get more points to help match Sam Darcy.
Adel get Melb's future 1st rounder.
STK a stronger draft hand.
Strengthens Adelaide's draft hand for next year. Watch on South Australian's Jack Lukosius and Izak Rankine coming out of contract in 2022. It also means 17 won't be tied up in Jordan Dawson deal. Bit to play out there...
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Geelong and Essendon among the clubs looking at former Crow/Tiger Tyson Stengle
https://twitter.com/cleary_mitch
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Would be really disappointing if we were unable to get a stronger draft hand with both Pies and Dogs needing later picks and we missed out.
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DONE DEAL | Luke Dunstan has joined Melbourne as an unrestricted free agent.
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1445610206361096200
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Looks like we've missed out on the Dogs' pick 17.
Callum Twomey with the details on that 4-way trade:
Western Bulldogs have got their draft points for Sam Darcy well in motion now and Melbourne is back into the first round of the draft this year after a four-way trade involving Adelaide and St Kilda. Full deal here ⬇️
Bulldogs get picks 23, 44, 45 ...................... [ed: 1524 pts]
Melbourne get picks 17, 37, 47
Adelaide gets Melb future first round, 33, 75
St Kilda gets 62, 66, Adel future fourth.
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Fremantle and Gold Coast on the verge of a deal that will send Will Brodie and pick 19 to the Dockers. Swap also likely to include future picks. This could loom as a deal that opens up Cerra and Clark deals.
https://twitter.com/CalTwomey
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Looks like we have blundered this missing out on 17 and 19 by the looks.
If we have to dump picks for nothing in return it will be very disappointing.
Be interesting to see where we go from here.
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4-way trade officially done.
So no pick 17 for us.
Callum Twomey with the details on that 4-way trade:
Western Bulldogs have got their draft points for Sam Darcy well in motion now and Melbourne is back into the first round of the draft this year after a four-way trade involving Adelaide and St Kilda. Full deal here ⬇️
Bulldogs get picks 23, 44, 45 ...................... [ed: 1524 pts]
Melbourne get picks 17, 37, 47
Adelaide gets Melb future first round, 33, 75
St Kilda gets 62, 66, Adel future fourth.
https://twitter.com/CalTwomey
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"That would be in the forefront of their mind."
- Matt Rendell on the Tigers potential pursuit of a key forward in the future
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1445633384781213701
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I wouldn’t lose too much sleep, fairly even after the first 4 or 5 to pick 30 and so many players not getting a chance to show their progress it’s a bit of a guess this year I’ve been told.
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4-way trade officially done.
So no pick 17 for us.
Callum Twomey with the details on that 4-way trade:
Western Bulldogs have got their draft points for Sam Darcy well in motion now and Melbourne is back into the first round of the draft this year after a four-way trade involving Adelaide and St Kilda. Full deal here ⬇️
Bulldogs get picks 23, 44, 45 ...................... [ed: 1524 pts]
Melbourne get picks 17, 37, 47
Adelaide gets Melb future first round, 33, 75
St Kilda gets 62, 66, Adel future fourth.
https://twitter.com/CalTwomey
Summary for each club:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FA_we-vUYAMrYv2?format=jpg&name=large)
https://twitter.com/unpluggered/status/1445638577971367936
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4-way trade officially done.
So no pick 17 for us.
Callum Twomey with the details on that 4-way trade:
Western Bulldogs have got their draft points for Sam Darcy well in motion now and Melbourne is back into the first round of the draft this year after a four-way trade involving Adelaide and St Kilda. Full deal here ⬇️
Bulldogs get picks 23, 44, 45 ...................... [ed: 1524 pts]
Melbourne get picks 17, 37, 47
Adelaide gets Melb future first round, 33, 75
St Kilda gets 62, 66, Adel future fourth.
https://twitter.com/CalTwomey
stuffen hopeless
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Let's wait & see what happens on draft night and the live trading before we start writing things off...... :shh
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We are still considered a contender other clubs wont want to give us better picks. We have a great draft hand already. Lets get 5 decent kids this. Open up sone salary cap space. Take 3 kids next with out picks and target 1 or 2 free agents. That will ketp us going fir the next decade
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We are still considered a contender other clubs wont want to give us better picks. We have a great draft hand already. Lets get 5 decent kids this. Open up sone salary cap space. Take 3 kids next with out picks and target 1 or 2 free agents. That will ketp us going fir the next decade
Complete bollocks - Dogs just gave their 1st rounder to the team that beat them in the GF
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How weird is that? Bulldogs handing their first round to Melbourne
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Honestly I didn't want to loose pick 26 or 28 for 17 there 2 great picks we can nail way overs.
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St Kilda currently has picks No.9, 62, 66, 67 and 85, but is also expected to need draft points to match bids on talented Next Generation Academy players Mitchito Owens and Marcus Windhager.
– Riley Beveridge
https://www.afl.com.au/news/683092/roos-tigers-consider-players-in-swap-dawson-deal-gets-really-complicated
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St Kilda currently has picks No.9, 62, 66, 67 and 85, but is also expected to need draft points to match bids on talented Next Generation Academy players Mitchito Owens and Marcus Windhager.
– Riley Beveridge
https://www.afl.com.au/news/683092/roos-tigers-consider-players-in-swap-dawson-deal-gets-really-complicated
They can have our bottom 4 picks for 9. About 400 points to them.
Draft with 7, 9, 15, 26.
Still gotta get something for CJ.
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Here's each club's total points tally:
(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/attachments/screen-shot-2021-10-06-at-18-52-02-png.1254349/)
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2021-provisional-draft-order-updated-after-every-trade.1251001/post-72503285
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We are still considered a contender other clubs wont want to give us better picks. We have a great draft hand already. Lets get 5 decent kids this. Open up sone salary cap space. Take 3 kids next with out picks and target 1 or 2 free agents. That will ketp us going fir the next decade
Complete bollocks - Dogs just gave their 1st rounder to the team that beat them in the GF
They hate us. Theyre jealous too.
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Rumour has it the Dogs wanted a pick in the 20s in exchange for their pick 17. So perhaps we just said no to that and were offering instead a bunch of our later picks (38, 42, 47).
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Flogs on Fox Footy's Trading Day (Mainly Del Micro & Ralph Malph) trying to push Mitchell and/or O'Meara onto us like all the other media flogs willing us to burn our good draft hand.... ::)
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Yep
They dont want us to regenerate our list.
Richmond just need to get Tarrant and get 5 kids in the draft
Next year take 3 or 4 kids and get a free agent
Then we are back in it up to our eyeballs for the next 10 years.
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Why the anger that we missed out on 17? Don’t even know what the dogs were asking from us. If they wanted 26 and 28 then I’m happy we didn’t make that call.
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People don't seem to realise we can trade picks right up until the draft and even during the actual draft itself ... :shh
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Weve got good picks already. I dont reckon we need to fo anything to be honest.
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Yep
They dont want us to regenerate our list.
Richmond just need to get Tarrant and get 5 kids in the draft
Next year take 3 or 4 kids and get a free agent
Then we are back in it up to our eyeballs for the next 10 years.
:clapping :shh
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Cerra a Blue for 6 and future 3rd.
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Trade likely b/w Pies & Docker involving 22 to Dockers for Pies 27. 22 to go to Cats for Clark.
If that happens and we dont get 20 for CCJ then that is well done Cats and poor by Tigers and yes I know Clark is contracted so it's different.
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Gold Coast now only left with picks 3 & 97 :shh
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Gold coast need picks. Nows the time to strike.
Offer 26 28 and 38 for 3
Giving GCS 26 28 38
We get pick 3 on top of what we already have.
Wed have 3 7 15 and 42 not including a pick for the hyphen
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Gold coast need picks. Nows the time to strike.
Offer 26 28 and 38 for 3
Giving GCS 3 26 28 38
We get pick 3 on top of what we already have.
Wed have 3 7 15 and 42 not including a pick for the hyphen
Like it.
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Trade likely b/w Pies & Docker involving 22 to Dockers for Pies 27. 22 to go to Cats for Clark.
If that happens and we dont get 20 for CCJ then that is well done Cats and poor by Tigers and yes I know Clark is contracted so it's different.
Clark contracted.
Freo finished 10th so couldn't threaten PSD even if they wanted to.
Cats hold all the cards.
CCJ uncontracted.
North finished last & has 1st PSD.
Tigers have zero leverage unless they convince CCJ to stay or entertain another club's offer.
Couldn't be more different.
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Gold coast need picks. Nows the time to strike.
Offer 26 28 and 38 for 3
Giving GCS 3 26 28 38
We get pick 3 on top of what we already have.
Wed have 3 7 15 and 42 not including a pick for the hyphen
They will say no to that. It's a points downgrade. Would need to see a surplus go their way to get 3.
Probably need to send 15, 26 & 28 which I don't like.
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Gold coast need picks. Nows the time to strike.
Offer 26 28 and 38 for 3
Giving GCS 3 26 28 38
We get pick 3 on top of what we already have.
Wed have 3 7 15 and 42 not including a pick for the hyphen
They will say no to that. It's a points downgrade. Would need to see a surplus go their way to get 3.
Probably need to send 15, 26 & 28 which I don't like.
Or 15,38,42 and 45 for pick 3
We should be getting something back from the Roos around the 40 mark
We’d end up with 3,7,26,28 and something around 40
Goldie would be 15,38,42 and 45 so effectively a first rounder a second rounder and a couple of decent 3rd rounders
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Gold coast need picks. Nows the time to strike.
Offer 26 28 and 38 for 3
Giving GCS 3 26 28 38
We get pick 3 on top of what we already have.
Wed have 3 7 15 and 42 not including a pick for the hyphen
They will say no to that. It's a points downgrade. Would need to see a surplus go their way to get 3.
Probably need to send 15, 26 & 28 which I don't like.
Cant let 15 go. Id rather offer a future 2nd or the CCJ pick
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Really should have gotten involved with Pies or Dogs IMO.
Not sure which other teams need to bid.
Otherwise we need to de-list more blokes like Garthwaite, DES and Aarts, go deep in the draft.
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Gold coast need picks. Nows the time to strike.
Quite the opposite Ramps. The Suns have little room on their list for more kids with so many contracted players. That's why they are offloading their picks this year in exchange for future picks in the 2022 draft.
We would have to give up pick 7 plus our future first to get their remaining pick 3 and that's on the proviso the Suns think they can still get the kid that want at pick 7.
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Blair Hartley will be running money ball and along with Clarke and Balmey I’m guessing they won’t be doing any deals that aren’t reasonably good. Very even draft this year to pick 30 so I wouldn’t trade unless it was worthwhile
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“[Port's Peter] Ladhams to Sydney is almost certain to happen.” - Sam Edmund on SEN.
Hawthorn ruckman Jonathon Ceglar is set to join a rival club, with Geelong one of the teams in contention for his services.
Collingwood's 200cm Max Lynch has reportedly gathered interest from Hawthorn.
Cat Darcy Fort, who has attracted interest from the Brisbane Lions.
Kangaroos ruckman Tristan Xerri has reportedly told the club he wants to join St Kilda.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-latest-moves-ruck-trades-peter-ladhams-jon-ceglar-max-lynch-callum-colemanjones/news-story/a820fef718c072d5690ab0b04ccbe597
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Tim O'Brien is now a Bulldog.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-trade-blog-and-live-chat-for-october-7-free-agency-trade-period-updates-news/news-story/1af546bf5f333eb5356eed2f629486f6?recommendedCount=0
Carlton has turned Sam Petrevski-Seton into Lewis Young, with the Blues, West Coast and the Western Bulldogs completing a three-way trade on Thursday.
The Eagles handed over pick No.52 for Petrevski-Seton, who requested a move back to Western Australia last month, which the Blues then on-traded to the Dogs for Young.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/683107/former-no-6-pick-versatile-dog-find-new-homes-in-three-way-trade
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"There is a lot going on between the Fremantle footy club and the GWS footy club, over a player well known to both of those clubs, that player being Rory Lobb about a potential return to the Giants."
- Damian Barrett
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1445962728116391937
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The latest from Cooney ...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBEI_-AVgAEKttx?format=jpg&name=medium)
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1445951141729034241
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Meth?
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He gets paid to produce crap like that. Its a good gig for him.
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Q: Why are Richmond so inactive? Feel like they’re the only club not doing anything..
Ben Waterworth: Might move a bit more post-trade period to get into the draft
Q: What is going on with a Richmond? They have all these picks but aren’t making any moves.
Ben Waterworth: Hi Justin, they have ample time between now and the draft to move up the order if they want.
Q: Which clubs are looking to move up or move down in the first round of the draft?
David Zita: Not many would be looking to move down! Hawks are open to trading pick 5 if it means getting up the order even further. Richmond are almost certain to get themselves up the order too. But overall plenty of big movers who want to get up the order
Q: Hi Ben, do you see the tigers going after any players this year or more focused on draft picks? Tom Mitchell was floated earlier in the year, is this still a chance and if so what do you think he is worth pick wise?
Ben Waterworth: Focus on draft picks Tigers man.
Q: Are Richmond actually trying to trade up the order and be proactive or are they just sitting round twiddling their thumbs?
Ben Waterworth: They're focusing on the draft - and have until draft night to shuffle picks.
Q: What will Richmond do with all its 3rd round picks? Will there be any suitors left to trade up?
Ben Waterworth: yeah there might be, Pies and Dogs might want more later picks, so too Saints
Q: Why doesn’t Richmond trade picks 38, 42 and 47 for WB pick 23. Will give the bulldogs an extra 360 points to match for a bid. Seems like a no brainer to me?
Ben Waterworth: Don't mind it!
Q: Tigers get Mitchell & Pick 5, Hawks get Pick 7, 15, 38. Fair for both??
A: :lol
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-trade-blog-and-live-chat-for-october-7-free-agency-trade-period-updates-news/news-story/1af546bf5f333eb5356eed2f629486f6
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Jeff Kennett has emailed Hawks members.
Finishes with: "We may be surprised at some of the (trade/draft) decisions made but be assured they will be made after careful consideration of the club's future needs by those we charge to make such decisions."
Watch. This. Space @7AFL
https://twitter.com/cleary_mitch/status/1445998810434465794
A Collingwood-like fire sale coming?
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We dont need Mitchell or O'Meara dont sell the farm gor broken down hacks on the verge of retirement.
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Expect the Rory Lob trade to North Melbourne to go through tomorrow. Owed $1.4M by Peter Bell, but Roos keen to smooth that out by giving Lobb $100K per season over the next 14 years.
#AFLTrades #Whispers @RalphyHeraldSun #WhoIsTheWhisperer #BridgestoneTires
https://twitter.com/AFLTradeWisper/status/1446019819136958468
Guess who is back on twitter :lol.
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Well some in the media have got bored yapping about Tom Mitchell to Richmond because we have two first rounders.
Now they're saying Mitchell should go to Freo because they now have picks 6 & 8.
https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1ypJdERVAPdxW
Cooney adds Richmond should give up pick 15 for Freo's picks 19 & 22 so Freo can use 6, 8 & 15 to deal with Hawthorn for Mitchell.
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Can I have what hes on?
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Tom Morris reports...
GWS forward Bobby Hill has emerged as the potential circuit-breaker to assist Rory Lobb’s move back to the Giants.
There is also a strong chance a third club will be involved in negotiations given GWS don’t have a pick between 13 and 53.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-trade-blog-and-live-chat-for-october-7-free-agency-trade-period-updates-news/news-story/1af546bf5f333eb5356eed2f629486f6
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Tom Morris reports...
GWS forward Bobby Hill has emerged as the potential circuit-breaker to assist Rory Lobb’s move back to the Giants.
There is also a strong chance a third club will be involved in negotiations given GWS don’t have a pick between 13 and 53.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-trade-blog-and-live-chat-for-october-7-free-agency-trade-period-updates-news/news-story/1af546bf5f333eb5356eed2f629486f6
The Lobb deal now officially dead according to Perter Bell on trade radio this morning.
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From nine.com: Pies 27 to Tigers for 28, 42 & 47 which makes more sense. Pies will use one for Lipinski and the other 2 for Daicos.
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From nine.com: Pies 27 to Tigers for 28, 42 & 47 which makes more sense. Pies will use one for Lipinski and the other 2 for Daicos.
Heavily in Collingwoods favour points wise. Must be a future 3rd round back to us otherwise we are just pick dumping
Pick 27 = 703 points
Pick 28+42+47 = 1388
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From nine.com: Pies 27 to Tigers for 28, 42 & 47 which makes more sense. Pies will use one for Lipinski and the other 2 for Daicos.
What? We are giving away 685 points to move above the Pies 1 spot?
Heck no.
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From nine.com: Pies 27 to Tigers for 28, 42 & 47 which makes more sense. Pies will use one for Lipinski and the other 2 for Daicos.
Unless it's 42 +47. Not 28
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It’s 38, not 28.
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Tom Morris reports...
GWS forward Bobby Hill has emerged as the potential circuit-breaker to assist Rory Lobb’s move back to the Giants.
There is also a strong chance a third club will be involved in negotiations given GWS don’t have a pick between 13 and 53.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-trade-blog-and-live-chat-for-october-7-free-agency-trade-period-updates-news/news-story/1af546bf5f333eb5356eed2f629486f6
The Lobb deal now officially dead according to Perter Bell on trade radio this morning.
Seems to be a bit of bad blood brewing between Lobb's manager and Bell.
Rory Lobb’s manager Colin Young has fired back at Fremantle GM of Football Peter Bell’s assertion that a trade deal with GWS would be difficult to complete.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/10/08/im-a-bit-surprised-lobbs-manager-fires-back-at-bell-over-bombshell-trade/
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Hawthorn’s desperation to trade one of its stars for a high-end draft pick extends to Sam Mitchell ringing rival clubs himself in a bid to spark interest.
Mitchell has contacted clubs around the league, with the first-year senior coach trying to spark interest in the likes of Tom Mitchell, Jaeger O’Meara and Chad Wingard.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/10/07/sam-mitchell-personally-calling-clubs-to-spark-trade-interest-in-hawks-stars/
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https://twitter.com/TYPEMedia1/status/1446310322210410499
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2:20PM - PICK SWAP COULD UNLOCK DAWSON DEAL
A future pick swap of Adelaide and Sydney’s first and second-round selections, along with the Demons’ future first, could unlock a trade for Jordan Dawson, reports SEN.
The proposed deal would see the Crows get Dawson and the Swans’ future first and second-round picks.
Sydney would get Melbourne’s future first rounder that Adelaide recently acquired as well as the Crows’ future first and second-round selections.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-trade-blog-for-friday-october-8-live-trade-chat-latest-news-offers-jordan-dawson/news-story/916b5b3ada3c52bc5d3c3c0050cf8811
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It’s 38, not 28.
That definitely makes more sense
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Sorry yes 38 not 28. Typo
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473 point surplus going Pies way then.
Seems like a lot when WB sold their 17 for about 585 surplus.
If 40 comes our way from NM I'd rather send that and keep 38 at least.
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I can confirm Richmond will do a trade to Collingwood for Pick 27. 3 draft picks will go back to Collingwood. #AFLTrade
https://twitter.com/IncrediblyBozza/status/1446324848142151686
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Adelaide is set to reject Sydney's demands for Melbourne's future 1st round pick, and a swap of future 1st, and 2nd rounders for Jordan Dawson.
It's also understood a deal shaped around pick 4 for Dawson and 12 also won't happen at this stage.
#AFLTrades @7NewsAdelaide @7AFL
https://twitter.com/TheoDrop/status/1446333896870690816
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Very early days. But as Port considers whether it might pay some of Ladhams' deal to get the right trade from Sydney, understand they are fans of Jaeger O'Meara. No approach yet, but could strike next week if they can get the right deal
O’Meara is more explosive than Tom Mitchell, who is very similar to Ollie Wines. O’Meara makes a heap of sense to bolster the Power midfield. Only 27 so in the Port Adelaide window for some time. Watch this space
https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun
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Leaves us with
7, 15, 26, 28, 38, 40
Pick 19 in 2022 also.
Not sure where that leave the pies deal for 27 at.
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Leaves us with
7, 15, 26, 28, 38, 40
Pick 19 in 2022 also.
Not sure where that leave the pies deal for 27 at.
We're only going to use 5 picks in the draft so we don't need 40.
So perhaps 38+40 to the Pies for 27 + a future 3rd (connected to Freo).
Pies get 200 extra points while we move up the draft plus get another future pick for 2022.
Would leave us with five picks inside the top 30: 7, 15, 26, 27, 28.
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Has Ralphmalf ever got anything right?
Seems Twomey and the flog Morris are the only 2 journos with any idea on trades now.
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It would be Mitchell if it's any Hawthorne player for us. Pick 27 ish no problems..
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Leaves us with
7, 15, 26, 28, 38, 40
Pick 19 in 2022 also.
Not sure where that leave the pies deal for 27 at.
We're only going to use 5 picks in the draft so we don't need 40.
So perhaps 38+40 to the Pies for 27 + a future 3rd (connected to Freo).
Pies get 200 extra points while we move up the draft plus get another future pick for 2022.
Would leave us with five picks inside the top 30: 7, 15, 26, 27, 28.
Or trade up via the Dogs:
38 & 40 for 23 from the Dogs. Head to the draft with 7, 15, 23, 26 & 28.
Aside: Callum Twomey mentioned that to match any bid the Pies and Dogs can only use their picks that they have list spots open for. You can't just have a zillion late-ish picks and put them all together to rack up the points you need. So they are trading not only for the points but also the picks that they can actually use that will give them the required points to match a bid.
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North Melbourne knocks back godfather offer for pick 1
North Melbourne has knocked back an audacious bid from Adelaide to snare the No.1 pick in this year's NAB AFL Draft and claim local gun Jason Horne-Francis.
AFL.com.au understands the Crows offered the Kangaroos their pick No.4 in this year as well as their two first-round selections in 2022 to move up the order to No.1 this year but North is set to hold firm.
A future second-rounder going back to Adelaide from North would also have been part of the proposed deal.
But North's insistence on keeping the selection – Gold Coast has also been interested in moving up the board from pick No.3 – points to Horne-Francis joining the blue and white at November's national draft.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/683612/north-melbourne-knocks-back-godfather-offer-for-no-1-pick
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Norf have to do that. Only the AFL's best command that much currency
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Dal Santo still trying to link us to Tom Mitchell.
Jon Ralph said Mitchell would be a good fit for Richmond but we don't have the salary cap space for him.
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Bobby Hill wants to come to VIC.
Would anyone be interested to bring some life back into our small forward group?
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Yes but only if we trade a player or 2 players out of Caddy, Castagna, Aartz or Pickett.
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Pies into Hill big time.
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Hill would be a good get..I'd offer 28......:shh
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Yes but only if we trade a player or 2 players out of Caddy, Castagna, Aartz or Pickett.
Can’t see any of them being traded. Caddy would be the one but I haven’t heard of any interest from other clubs. Caddy, Pickett and aarts are out of contract end of next season though and I’d expect 2-3 not to be extended.
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No mention of us regarding Bobby Hill.
Essendon is among the clubs set to explore the prospect of looking at the 21-year-old, with Geelong and North Melbourne having also been on the lookout for small forwards in the off-season.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/683678
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TOP-END DRAFT MOVEMENT NOT EXPECTED
The early order of the NAB AFL Draft is expected to hold as is until potential moves closer to the event in November.
Clubs within the top-10 picks have fielded many calls about possible swaps and splitting of top selections but after the first week of the Trade Period it is looking increasingly likely the top 10 will stay as is.
North Melbourne has knocked back big offers for pick No.1 and won't budge while Greater Western Sydney will hold firm with its No.2 selection for now with the possibility to sliding back closer to the draft for the right offer.
Gold Coast at pick No.3 and Adelaide at No.4 have both been interested at pushing up the order, while Hawthorn has tried to improve its draft position too but is at this stage considered unlikely to move from No.5.
Fremantle is expected to hold its pair of top-10 picks – No.6 and 8 – after securing the earlier selection as the main part of the Adam Cerra deal while Richmond has been keen to package up selections to move up from No.7, including in a proposed swap with Adelaide at No.4, but has yet to find a taker.
St Kilda (No.9) and West Coast (10) are also tipped to hold their selections during the Trade Period, with clubs then able to swap only selections in the weeks leading up to the draft and again during the event.
It is then, closer to the draft, that clubs will make more educated calls on pushing up or down the order with certain players in their sights.
- Callum Twomey
https://www.afl.com.au/news/683607/the-nervous-free-agents-clubs-ponder-star-hawks
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Tom Browne on 7news tonight said:
- Essendon are leading the race to get Bobby Hill.
- Port Adelaide haven't spoken to O'Meara, his manager or Hawthorn.
- One club recruiter has said Hawthorn's wish to get first round picks for Mitchell, O'Meara, Gunston, etc is "fanciful".
- Freo likely to get Jordan Clark from Geelong for pick 22 and a future 3rd.
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Does anyone think we do anything else this trade period? If so, what?
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Does anyone think we do anything else this trade period? If so, what?
At a minimum I would be trading 38 + 40 for something better if we can.
Those two picks are valued at 894 points combined.
Pies P27 is worth 703
WB pick 23 is worth 815
Both need to bid and would gain a points surplus by trading with us.
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Pies need capital for Lipinski & Hill plus points for Daicos and with limited future picks don't think it works. If Bombers keen for Hill do they part with 11 for 26 & 28 or 38 even to get Hill with 26.
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Patrick Lipinski
The Pies started negotiations with the Bulldogs by offering pick 58 for Lipinski and then upped that offer to two picks in the 50s. But the Dogs have been hoping for better for the 23-year-old, with the Pies exploring other pick swaps with Richmond and the Dogs also looking at their options. The clubs are likely to find a trade that works to avoid seeing Lipinski go through the pre-season draft. – Callum Twomey
https://www.afl.com.au/news/683424/13-deals-that-need-to-get-done-ahead-of-trade-period-week-two
GWS forward Bobby Hill has officially requested a trade to Essendon with one year remaining on his contract.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/683678/make-me-a-bomber-contracted-giant-names-his-preferred-destination
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RICHMOND
Summary: Losing Callum Coleman-Jones and Mabior Chol is a blow for Richmond - one could’ve been OK but both of them going out the door hurts. What it has done though is bolster the Tigers’ draft hand even further - they’re a force to be reckoned with come draft night and will likely look to package picks up to move further up the order. Robbie Tarrant coming into the side suggests Damien Hardwick thinks there’s at least one more flag crack in the side. With all their draft capital, could Tom Mitchell be a target to help soften the blow of when Trent Cotchin finishes up and add to their flag credentials next year?
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-club-by-club-list-of-trades-every-deal-so-far-draft-picks-ins-and-outs-analysis/news-story/0a564752b97a44508ed9840f93c03034
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REVEALED: Richmond makes monster offer for North's No.1 pick
By Callum Twomey
afl.com.au
10 October 2021
RICHMOND has made a massive play for the No.1 pick in an attempt to supercharge its rebound up the ladder next year.
However North Melbourne, like it did to Adelaide's offer for the top pick, denied the Tigers' pitch for the No.1 selection with its eyes set on young gun Jason Horne-Francis.
AFL.com.au can reveal the Tigers offered North Melbourne picks No.7, 15, 26 and Callum Coleman-Jones for North's No.1 pick during discussions over the Coleman-Jones trade.
The move would have left the Roos with four picks inside the first 26 selections as well as the 22-year-old ruck/forward, however Richmond's effort could not get North Melbourne to budge on its plan to take the club's first ever No.1 pick to the draft.
With bids to come on father-sons Nick Daicos and Sam Darcy likely inside the first five picks, Richmond's first pick is likely to finish at No.9, which would have been a significant slide back for the Roos if they accepted the deal.
The Tigers, who won the 2017, 2019-20 premierships before missing the finals this year, have not had a No.1 pick since Brett Deledio in 2004.
The clubs ended up settling on a trade on Friday that saw Coleman-Jones make his way to Arden Street along with picks 42 and 47 in this year's draft as well as a future fourth-round selection in exchange for a future second-round pick, No.40 in this year's draft and also veteran Robbie Tarrant.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/683725/revealed-another-club-makes-monster-offer-for-north-s-no-1-pick
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This guy must be the second coming of Geez Geez.
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He is a super talented player and worth this type of offer. Gun :shh
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Jason Judd-Martin....apparently.... :shh
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Still look at the Dogs number 1 pick from last year …
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Trade week is a bust when Lipinski, Hill & CCJ are are main attractions.
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I don't think we would have done that trade to get one player.
If we got 1, then we'd probably have done the trade with Adelaide - pick 1 for 4, future Adelaide 1st and future Melbourne first.
Then traded the future firsts for picks this year. Future Adelaide for one of Freos picks, and future Melbourne for maybe St Kilda or Essendon firsts.
We could have turned 7, 15 and 26 into 4, 6 and 9-11.
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Were the Roos right to knock back the Crows and Tigers' trade offers? (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f914.png)
What could get the deal done? (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f914.png)
Callum Twomey unpacks the plays for North Melbourne's prized No.1 pick.
Watch: https://twitter.com/AFL/status/1447380678476058625
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Patrick Lipinski is officially a Pie for pick 43 to the Dogs.
Peter Ladhams has officially notified Port Adelaide that he wants to move to Sydney.
GWS is making a play for Hawthorn's Chad Wingard. Callum Twomey told Trade Radio that given their tight salary cap, the Giants would have to fork over pick 13 for the talented small forward.
Twomey also reckons Essendon will get Bobby Hill with a 3rd round pick (either this year or a future one).
https://www.afl.com.au/news/683611/trade-talk-live-why-xerri-s-ripe-for-saints-the-hawk-of-wall-street
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Geelong and Richmond are among clubs with interest in ex-Cat Blake Schlensog, reports The West Australian (https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl-trades/afl-trades-2021-blake-schlensog-in-mix-for-geelong-recall-richmond-call-up-c-4199077).
The key-position Next Generation Academy prospect was let go by Geelong after two seasons with the club and enjoyed a strong 2021 campaign for WAFL club South Fremantle.
The 199cm product played at both ends of the ground with hauls of five goals and four goals to his name.
He could be picked up as either a delisted free agent and the national, rookie and pre-season drafts.
Schlensog’s manager Tim Hazell was confident that his client has what it takes to return to AFL level.
“He’s certainly one of the better key defenders outside of the AFL,” Hazell said.
“(He) has really matured, worked on his game and is really deserving of another opportunity at AFL level.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/department-of-trade/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-richmond-offer-for-north-melbournes-pick-1-number-1-draft-pick-jason-hornefrancis-clubs-interested-in-blake-schlensog-geelong-richmond/news-story/5752dd0e3622d1f9a492527f48d7a369
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THE TWO CLUBS ‘IN PLAY’ FOR HAWKS STAR
Port Adelaide great Kane Cornes thinks Richmond and Port Adelaide are the two clubs to keep an eye on as potential suitors for one of Hawthorn’s stars.
It emerged last week the Hawks are willing to trade senior players including Tom Mitchell, Jaeger O’Meara, Jack Gunston and Chad Wingard to bolster their draft hand.
“It’s just messy, I can’t think of a better word to use,” Cornes told AFL Trade Radio.
“And now the other clubs are going, they (Hawthorn) are desperate, you’re not going to get market rate or the actual value that these players deserve because of the other clubs knowing how desperate they are,” Cornes told AFL Trade Radio.
“I think the two clubs in play here are certainly Port Adelaide, just sitting back there in desperate need of midfield depth.
“And I’d keep a watch on Richmond.
“The situation they’re in, the draft hand they’ve got and maybe the ability to pick off a couple of players for a bargain basement price like the Western Bulldogs did last year and bolster that midfield.”
Essendon legend Matthew Lloyd added: “I’ll be surprised if one of O’Meara, Wingard or Mitchell isn’t leaving Hawthorn by the end of Wednesday night.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-trade-blog-and-live-chat-for-october-11-trade-targets-deals-remaining-updates/news-story/3e3cb1e00eb1b48020afe821676b5dae
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Mitch Wallis has re-signed with the Bulldogs.
https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1447433729886937091
Lobb trade to GWS off.
Lobb's manager Colin Young telling @AFLcomau: "I advised all parties at 7.30pm Sunday evening by email that this trade would not get off the ground so we should all move on."
https://twitter.com/AFLtrade2trade/status/1447431915665952771
Bobby Hill may have requested a trade to Essendon, but "bad blood" between the Dons and Giants is threatening the deal.
https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1447426877371584518
Sammy Edmund says the Hawks are willing to pay around $200k of Geelong-bound Jon Ceglar's contract.
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1447426231876599809
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Wingard seems like he's staying at Hawthorn, but still think a big name will leave.
Either O'Meara to Port
or Mitchell to Port, Freo or Richmond is my guess.
Ceglar should get to Geelong.
https://twitter.com/rumours_afl/status/1447425243430019075
Tyson Stengle is set to join Geelong for 2022.
According to multiple reports, Stengle wants to play for the Cats next year and reunite with former Adelaide teammate Eddie Betts, who recently took up a coaching role at Kardinia Park.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/10/11/reports-stengle-poised-to-join-third-afl-club/
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Bobby Hill may have requested a trade to Essendon, but "bad blood" between the Dons and Giants is threatening the deal.
https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1447426877371584518
Almost all clubs have bad blood with Essendrugs. GWS and Dons history is around the Dylan Shiel trade when Dudodoro took it through to the final 10mins before eventually handing over x2 1sts in return for Shiel and a future 2nd. Dudodoro then got on the trade radio and said that both him and every Druggo supporter will be hoping GWS win the spoon the following year. What a campaigner!
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I heard Hill to Dons for a 3rd rounder? Sounds cheap.
If he has any talent as a small forward we should enquire, seriously anything to avoid watching more Aarts + George running around like noobs.
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I hear GWS will string it out until it expires (unless they get overs) and leave Hill no option but to stay.
I don’t think we can fit anyone in without trading someone out with our salary cap
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Collingwood ruckman Max Lynch has formalised his request to join Hawthorn.
Sydney is assessing Adelaide's updated offer for Jordan Dawson after the Crows put forward a new proposal on Monday. The Crows have offered a future first-round pick, which is tied to Melbourne, in exchange for Dawson.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/683611/recap-all-the-action-as-it-happened-from-day-eight-of-trade-period
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Montagna earlier tonight on Fox Footy's Trading Day show was saying O'Meara's stats match up with the likes of Jack Steele and Richmond being one mid short should look at O'Meara.
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Montagna earlier tonight on Fox Footy's Trading Day show was saying O'Meara's stats match up with the likes of Jack Steele and Richmond being one mid short should look at O'Meara.
Would give both our firsts for Steele, wouldn’t give either for omeara.
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O'Meara & Gunston for 38 & 40 if Dawks paid half their salaries..... :shh
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Can gunston get on the park?
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O'Meara & Gunston for 38 & 40 if Dawks paid half their salaries..... :shh
That’s gonna happen like George Pell is going to be appointed the patron of Ronald McDonald House
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O'Meara & Gunston for 38 & 40 if Dawks paid half their salaries..... :shh
That’s gonna happen like George Pell is going to be appointed the patron of Ronald McDonald House
LMAO :cheers :lol :lol :lol :lol
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I'd take O'Meara if the Dawks pay 70% of his contract :thumbsup ;D
Rate him, don't rate Mitchell
Tom Mitchell is the type of player that has made the Brownlow lose its prestige (not his fault BTW). All about possessions, quantity of rather the quality of
Just my take
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omera would be good providing he is injury free.
Mitchell different player to JOM.
A question off who do we really need?
Our mids - dion,shai, Dusty, trent, Jack, Kane, Edwards?
Does bringing in one off the two allow Dusty to sit forward more? trent to be managed better? Edwards to play on the outside wing and run straight lines/ Shai to sit forward as well?
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Agree WP.... would take a fit O'Meara over Mitchell every day of the week...:shh
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Agree WP....a fit O'Meara over Mitchell every day of the week... :shh
Yep those dodgy knees are the concern I would think
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As long as him and Prestia aren't both down at the same time they can rotate through the rehab group.. :santa...but yeah only if we can get him for "unders" without compromising the youth strategy or the salary cap..and if there's no takers come late tomorrow arvo reckon there's a fair chance the Dawks will be desperate.... :shh
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Bobby Hill trade is now unlikely.
“Bobby and I have spoken and I’ve said it’s highly unlikely to happen and he’d be welcome back at the club with no issues or concerns,” GWS list manager Jason McCartney.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trade-period-2021-live-updates-day-7-player-movement-continues-as-jordan-dawson-bobby-hill-seek-late-moves-afl-trade-period-20211011-p58z2i.html
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From Foxsports' live trade chat:
Q: Rumours Houli could go in the pre-season draft?
Max Laughton: That's a bad rumour. Any rumour using the pre-season draft is bad.
Q: Any interest remaining from other teams about Josh Caddy or is he staying?
Ben Waterworth: Nothing on Caddy
Q: Pies 27 for Tigers 38 and 40?
Max Laughton: Makes all the sense in the world.
Q: Hi Ben, is Tigers chasing anyone? or are they happy to take their picks to the draft?
Ben Waterworth: Reckon the latter.
Q: Tigers looking like they’re going to wait until draft night to trade up, is that the right way to go around it?
Max Laughton: If you're in a position where you're willing to use your picks if things don't go well, then sure. Waiting can give you the most leverage.
Q: Does Gibbons get a run somewhere like Richmond as midfield depth in case they have a 2021 injury repeat?
Max Laughton: Yeah that makes sense, or at least a team closer to a flag that are unlikely to 'play the kids' at this stage (like Dunstan-Dees)
Q: i like michael gibbons to richmond from a previous comment. is that something being spoken about ben or somebody spitballing idea?
Max Laughton: A trade chatter spitballing an idea Jay. But agree think it makes a lot of sense.
Q: does hamish hartlett make any sense for richmond benno? maybe a houli replacement for next year on the cheap
Max Laughton: List spots are tight is the only thing.
Q: thanks max. do we have an idea on list spots? by my count tiges already have 34 under contract with tarrant.
Max Laughton: 36-38 senior players, 4-6 cat A rookies, up to 2 cat B rookies I believe
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/department-of-trade/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-trade-blog-and-live-chat-for-october-12-trade-targets-deals-remaining-updates-bobby-hill-essendon/news-story/1a7e723149bfe2d9029fadd3e155362c
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Jordan Dawson will become an Adelaide player. Adelaide will give Sydney the future first-round pick – tied to Melbourne’s finish next year – that they had secured in the opening days of trade period.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/crows-and-swans-agree-trade-for-dawson-20211012-p58zfx.html
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Q: Hey Ben do you think the Tigers may package up picks 28,38 and 40 to get a late first round pick?
Ben Waterworth: but might need to be a more tempting offer than that
Q: Do you think the tigers have a last minuet move up their sleeve?
Ben Waterworth: I don't think so Dan
Q: Ben any word on where Blake Schlensog will end up? Cats or Tigers.
Ben Waterworth: no official word yet.
Q: will mitchell go to the tiges
Ben Waterworth: Doubt it
Q: Is there a real low chance of Richmond making a play for Gunston?
Ben Waterworth: REAL low Brayden. So low I don't think it'll happen!
Q: Hi Ben , how bout this , Saints trade pick 9 and next years 2nd ,probably pick 27 and maybe adelaide's 4th round saints picked up , for Brisbane 14 and 18 and their 4th round this year 57 , about the same points then saints trade 18 and 64 {1086 points } to Richmond for 26 and 44 [sic 40] ,same points then Saints have 14,26,44,62, 67 , so should have 2 picks before owens and winhager and still enough points to get them less
Ben Waterworth: 🤯
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-trade-blog-and-live-chat-deadline-day-deals-remaining-trades-latest-news-and-updates/news-story/3b85a19d829bbd8fceeaca201428dd5d
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wonder if saints pick 9 is gettable for some combo involving some combo with our 2nd rounder.
then maybe we could go after giants 2nd.
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Theres speculation on big footy about us chasing 9 and guving saints some picks.
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If we do I think it will happen on draft night.
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Not sure why Saints would give up pick 9 this year unless they wanted a better hand next year.
If that is the case we could do Saints #9 plus their 2022 2nd round for our 2022 1st and either pick 26 or 28. Or it could be just Norfs 2022 2nd round plus 26 or 28 for their 9
Having 7, 9 and 15 would set up the midfield for the next 10 years say Johnson, Sonsie, Goater
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I believe they are trying to get their two academy kids and haven’t got a lot of other picks
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Roos ruckman Tristan Xerri's proposed move to St Kilda is all but dead.
GWS has rejected Essendon's latest future second round pick offer for Bobby Hill.
GWS offered pick 13 for Luke Breust. Hawthorn willing to do it but Breust said no to moving.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trade-period-2021-live-updates-day-8-player-movement-continues-as-bobby-hill-and-several-ruckmen-seek-late-moves-afl-trade-period-20211012-p58zdr.html
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Roos ruckman Tristan Xerri's proposed move to St Kilda is all but dead.
GWS has rejected Essendon's latest future second round pick offer for Bobby Hill.
GWS offered pick 13 for Luke Breust. Hawthorn willing to do it but Breust said no to moving.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trade-period-2021-live-updates-day-8-player-movement-continues-as-bobby-hill-and-several-ruckmen-seek-late-moves-afl-trade-period-20211012-p58zdr.html
Worst trade period in history - Just another thing that Shocking and Gilligan have stuffed up
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"He is adamant that Bobby Hill is not wanting to go back to GWS, even if a deal is not struck."
- Cal Twomey reporting on Andrew McDougall's comments (Bobby Hill's manager)
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1448174505428324352
Chad Wingard and Luke Breust saying no GWS makes it so hard for GWS to say yes to contracted fwd Bobby Hill's trade request. Toby Greene missing a big chunk of the season too. Essendon's future 2nd rejected by the Giants & the deal won't get any better than that. Hill in limbo.
https://twitter.com/Sammy__Edmund/status/1448174926435786755
St Kilda's improved offer for Tristan Xerri featured a future third-rounder and a swap of later picks. North Melbourne adamant a future second-round selection must be involved, or no deal. Talks still ongoing.
https://twitter.com/RileyBev/status/1448163770488930315
Sydney open to sliding its pick No.12 to 16 in a trade for Peter Ladhams, but Port Adelaide wants more - either a pick in the 30s or a future second. Both clubs talking, but a deal is progressing slowly.
https://twitter.com/RileyBev/status/1448171840275292161
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An actual trade just happened :snidegrin.
DONE DEALS | The ruck merry-go-round is SPINNING!
Darcy Fort is a Lion.
Jon Ceglar is a Cat.
Max Lynch is a Hawk.
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1448186880164458499
"This trade will see Darcy Fort become a Lion, Brisbane will receive him and pick 41 in exchange for pick 50 and a Brisbane future third-pick. That'll go to the Cats."
- Cal Twomey
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1448187592235577345
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:sleep :sleep :sleep
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An actual trade just happened :snidegrin.
DONE DEALS | The ruck merry-go-round is SPINNING!
Darcy Fort is a Lion.
Jon Ceglar is a Cat.
Max Lynch is a Hawk.
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1448186880164458499
"This trade will see Darcy Fort become a Lion, Brisbane will receive him and pick 41 in exchange for pick 50 and a Brisbane future third-pick. That'll go to the Cats."
- Cal Twomey
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1448187592235577345
"Jonathon Ceglar and a future fourth-round selection, in exchange for a future round three selection tied to Brisbane next year."
- Cal Twomey reveals the Ceglar trade has been done
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1448193069858234371
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Two trades quickly in a row ....... I don't think we've had one of these before! - Sir Arnold.
“Jordan Clark is a Docker. They have given over 22, with a future third (tied to Carlton), but they will get a pick back.”
- Cal Twomey
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1448194939574050820
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GWS rejected Collingwood's offer for Bobby Hill.
Deal was pick 27 and a 3rd-rounder.
- Tom Browne
https://twitter.com/rumours_afl/status/1448197181685395460
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The media must feel like muppets talking up Darcy Fort & other no names. They'd be embarrassed
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The media must feel like muppets talking up Darcy Fort & other no names. They'd be embarrassed
As they are themselves muppets, I’m sure they will be more than comfortable
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Port's Peter Ladhams and pick 16 to Sydney for pick 12 and a future 3rd round pick.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/683703/power-play-swans-use-pick-no-12-in-trade-for-ladhams
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Ceglar is a Cat! We got an early look at their 2022 calendar....(https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f474-1f3fb.png) #AFLTrades
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBkH_VAUcAE2vO-?format=jpg&name=medium)
https://twitter.com/TYPEMedia1/status/1448197541778972675
;D
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That's all folks! The dullest trade period of all time is finally over :P.
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"Collingwood won't have pick 27 in the draft. They've already got enough points for Daicos."
- Cal Twomey on what the Pies will be trading before the draft
https://twitter.com/traderadio/status/1448210933159907328
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Not to be negative, but all hype a few years ago we use pick 20 for CCJ, develop him, now he goes to NM, for a packet of chips.
All that work, all he wants to do is play footy and because we give him no meaningful game time we lose him.
Now we are postulating how we will use our picks.
We need to have a better system to integrate players into the firsts.
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Foxfooty.com.au breaks down each club’s deals from the trade period that was.
RICHMOND
- GOT end-of-second-round compensation pick (currently No.38)
- GAVE AWAY Mabior Chol as unrestricted free agent
- GOT Robbie Tarrant, third-round pick (currently No.40) and future second-round selection
- GAVE AWAY Callum Coleman-Jones, two third-round picks (currently No.42 and 47) and future fourth-round selection
Summary: Losing Callum Coleman-Jones and Mabior Chol is a blow for Richmond - one could’ve been OK but both of them going out the door hurts. What it has done though is bolster the Tigers’ draft hand even further - they’re a force to be reckoned with come draft night and will likely look to package picks up to move further up the order. Robbie Tarrant coming into the side suggests Damien Hardwick thinks there’s at least one more flag crack in the side.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2021-club-by-club-list-of-trades-every-deal-so-far-draft-picks-ins-and-outs-analysis/news-story/0a564752b97a44508ed9840f93c03034
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Not to be negative, but all hype a few years ago we use pick 20 for CCJ, develop him, now he goes to NM, for a packet of chips.
All that work, all he wants to do is play footy and because we give him no meaningful game time we lose him.
Now we are postulating how we will use our picks.
We need to have a better system to integrate players into the firsts.
I’d rather have won 3 premierships than pander to a young player who was behind and rightfully so all of lynch, Riewoldt, nank and soldo. Had he not had a midnight craving for a kebab he may have found himself a premiership player. This year when the team was faltering he was picked when fit so it is what it is.
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I'll take pick 1 & 19 in next year's draft.
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CCJ has proven himself a flog.
Like Jack Higgins, gets supported when he needed us and then flicks us the first chance he gets.
I say good riddance.
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Yep agree happy with the pick we got to.
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I'll take pick 1 & 19 in next year's draft.
Pick 1?
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Need a forward to replace Jack. There appeared to be nothing on offer in the trade period. I don't think either Chol or CCJ were the type of forward we needed. I hope we get some luck in the draft.
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Need a forward to replace Jack. There appeared to be nothing on offer in the trade period. I don't think either Chol or CCJ were the type of forward we needed. I hope we get some luck in the draft.
Jye Amiss, supposed to go around 15ish. 195cm and booted 51.16 or something like that this year.
I hope he gets to our second pick!
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Need a forward to replace Jack. There appeared to be nothing on offer in the trade period. I don't think either Chol or CCJ were the type of forward we needed. I hope we get some luck in the draft.
Jye Amiss, supposed to go around 15ish. 195cm and booted 51.16 or something like that this year.
I hope he gets to our second pick!
Not for me - he is a classic 2 grabber which doesn't cut it at AFL level
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Yes noticed that or he took chest marks and wondered if that would be a problem at AFL level.
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I'll take pick 1 & 19 in next year's draft.
Pick 1?
Typo. 18/19
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We should take the 2 best midfielders we can at picks 7 and 15. We need to get our midfield right.
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Need a forward to replace Jack. There appeared to be nothing on offer in the trade period. I don't think either Chol or CCJ were the type of forward we needed. I hope we get some luck in the draft.
Jye Amiss, supposed to go around 15ish. 195cm and booted 51.16 or something like that this year.
I hope he gets to our second pick!
Not for me - he is a classic 2 grabber which doesn't cut it at AFL level
It's a midfielders draft this year - talls don't appear to be much chop but next year is supposed to be a bumper crop.... :shh
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We should take the 2 best midfielders we can at picks 7 and 15. We need to get our midfield right.
We should just take the 2 best players available at those picks
IMO
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We should take the 2 best midfielders we can at picks 7 and 15. We need to get our midfield right.
We should just take the 2 best players available at those picks
IMO
That’s pretty much what I’ve heard is the strategy for all list managers. You take the best player available in the early stages of the draft and then focus on positional need in latter stages.
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Which clubs won or lost in quietest AFL player-movement period in a decade?
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/Trade/tradeperiod2021gainloss.png)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-14/who-won-and-who-lost-the-quietest-afl-trade-period/100537730
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AFL.com.au's experts assess your club's performance
RICHMOND
We say: After the somewhat surprising retirement of triple-premiership fullback David Astbury, the Tigers were in the market for a senior key back as part of one last flag push. Robbie Tarrant fits the bill perfectly, and Richmond did very well to orchestrate a trade with Callum Coleman-Jones to avoid cancelling out the compensation for Mabior Chol. However, there's no getting around the fact the Tigers have lost two developing forward targets and have no obvious replacement for Jack Riewoldt on their books, despite how bullish the club is around raw duo Samson Ryan and Mate Colina. – Sarah Black
https://www.afl.com.au/news/684264/that-s-a-wrap-who-s-in-who-s-out-after-the-2021-trade-period
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Callum Twomey says the Dogs #23 and Pies #27 are definitely on the market for pick swaps.
Richmond has been actively trying to bundle up picks to move up the draft. As far moving higher up or into the inside of the top 10, it's unlikely we'll see any movement by any club given the talent available early on in the draft.
https://www.afl.com.au/video/684513/trade-wrap-special-the-sneaky-winner-late-curveball-more
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38 + 40 + F3 to Dogs for #23?
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Geelong has agreed to delist Charlie Constable to make him available to other clubs as a Delisted Free Agent.
Should he not receive any interest elsewhere, there remains a possibility he will be re-rookied by the Cats.
Brayden Sier has been delisted by Collingwood.
https://twitter.com/cleary_mitch
Hawthorn has delisted Oliver Hanrahan. GWS and St Kilda are considering him as a delisted free agent.
Collingwood forward Josh Thomas has retired.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2021-offseason-news-afl-list-changes-delisted-players-trades-draft-picks-retirements-draft-order-rookies-free-agents/news-story/cf069e199aa96cf964195dbe1ac3d512
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Disappointing he left when we backed him and developed him, he would have been regular in the seniors next year imo
The only comfort we got our pick back -time to move on
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38 + 40 + F3 to Dogs for #23?
Too much
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Could do a lot worse than grab Sier as a DFA... :shh
EDIT: That's not to say that we should :shh :shh
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38 + 40 + F3 to Dogs for #23?
38 and 40 is enough imho
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38 + 40 + F3 to Dogs for #23?
Too much
38 + 40 + F3 to Dogs for #23?
38 and 40 is enough imho
Dogs sold 17 for a 500-600pt gain.
Offering them 38+40 is like 70 points. Not sure they'll go for it unless there are zero other offers.
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Victorian clubs have been alerted to the go-home desire of top-end draft pick Fischer McAsey.
McAsey, the No.6 selection in the 2019 National Draft to the Adelaide Crows, is considered almost certain to request a trade back to his home state at seasons end.
The 196cm key position prospect from Caulfield Grammar hasn’t settled in South Australia and also has personal family reasons for exploring a move to a Melbourne-based club.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/03/15/victorian-clubs-already-circling-top-10-draftee/
When are you going to create the 2022 Edition of this thread OE? Looking forward to doing it all again… :help :shh ::)
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When are you going to create the 2022 Edition of this thread OE? Looking forward to doing it all again… :help :shh ::)
:rollin
(https://c.tenor.com/sP7QDKkRQ7kAAAAC/wait-for-it-simpsons.gif)
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Clubs are eyeing Collingwood and the Western Bulldogs' picks in the 20s as ways to move up the draft order via pick swaps.
Clubs are able to complete pick swaps until November 15 and then again during the NAB AFL Draft, which is a two-night event.
The Pies have a plethora of picks – No.27, 36, 46, 48, 55, 58, 78 and 79 – equaling 2215 draft points. If a bid came for young midfield prodigy Daicos at No.1, the Pies would need to pay 2400 points, and if it came at No.2 they would have to match it with 2014 points.
It leaves the Magpies with plenty of options with their first choice No.27, including trading it for a future selection and restoring their place in next year's second round or even creatively trading it before matching the Daicos bid and then coming back into the earlier stages of this year's draft in another deal.
Essendon is among the clubs interested in pushing up the draft board using future picks and had been eyeing the Magpies' pick 27
It is almost certain the Magpies will offload pick 27 so that it simply doesn't get eaten up by the matched bid for Daicos.
The Dogs are in a similar position with Darcy.
The Dogs have picks No.23, 43, 44, 45, 52, 93 after the trade period, which are worth a total of 2148 points, enough to cover a bid from pick No.2 onwards.
But, like the Pies, rivals still expect the Grand Finalists to move their first live pick – No.23 – for either a bundling of later or future selections or a mix of both, with Geelong having been among the clubs to have been interested during the trade period.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/684532/moving-on-up-clubs-eye-pick-swaps-with-pies-dogs
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Richmond is another club who could package up come of its selections for another earlier pick, while St Kilda has also been on the lookout for more earlier picks using future selections to pay for its Next Generation Academy pair Marcus Windhager and Mitchito Owens.
After pick No.9, the Saints hold picks 62, 66 and 67 – worth a total of 272 points.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/684532/moving-on-up-clubs-eye-pick-swaps-with-pies-dogs
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Would we offer 15 & 28 to Saints for 9 & 62?
Would the Saints do that. 1592 points v 1789
Would leave us with 7, 9, 26, 38, 40, 62 & 83
Then trade 38, 40 & 62 to pies for 27
Go in with 7, 9, 26, 27 & 83
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Analysing every club's trade and free agency dealings
ESPN expert Chris Doerre has broken down the free agency and trade period, and what they have gained/lost ahead of the draft.
Adelaide A+
West Coast A
Richmond
Grade: B+
Rationale: The return of pick 38 as an end of second round compensation pick was a strong return for depth ruckman Mabior Chol who joined Gold Coast as a free agent.
The addition of Robbie Tarrant solidifies Richmond's defence and adds a suitable low-cost short-term replacement for the retired David Astbury. While Richmond would have liked to have retained Callum Coleman-Jones, given the four-year deal offered by North Melbourne, Richmond received fair value, the pick combination improving the Tigers' draft hand.
Carlton B+
Collingwood B+
Geelong B+
Melbourne B+
Brisbane B
Essendon B
Hawthorn B
W.Bulldogs B
Sydney C+
GWS C
North Melb. C
Port Adel. C
Fremantle D+
Gold Coast D+
St Kilda D+
https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/32396557/afl-2021-trade-free-agency-draft-period-every-club-dealings-graded
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RICHMOND'S 2021 TRADE GRADES
SEN
16 October 2021
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Matt Rendell says:
Losing Mabior Chol and Callum Coleman-Jones puts a heavy reliance on Jack Riewoldt and Tom Lynch.
Mind you, they did win a flag with Riewoldt and five smalls, so it might not worry them that much.
With Robbie Tarrant coming in, could they play Noah Balta forward? I’m giving them some flexibility there.
Losing an up and coming forward isn’t ideal. They do get Ivan Soldo back to strengthen the ruck stocks.
Cross.
Ins:
Robbie Tarrant
Outs:
Mabior Chol
Callum Coleman-Jones
2021 draft hand:
7, 15, 26, 28, 38, 40, 83
Rendell’s scoring system:
Three ticks = Super job, fixed a hole
Two ticks = Did well, but didn’t kill it
One tick = Just filled a gap
Cross = Did nothing or did not do well
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/10/15/richmonds-2021-trade-grades/
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What happens now? The Dogs and Magpies, in particular, will trade draft picks between now and draft night. Both will probably trade their current first draft picks.
The Dogs trade pick 23 for a couple of draft picks and maybe a future pick. They will need to be watchful of how many list sports they have available.
Collingwood will most likely trade pick 27 on or before draft night for a future draft pick. Why? They will probably have enough points to cover a bid for Daicos without needing to use pick 27, so why risk seeing a valuable high pick wash away on a bid for Daicos if they have other picks that can cover the bid? They then have the choice of trading that new future pick back into this draft once they have brought Daicos in. Or they just hang onto it and use it next year.
And that is the point of the points.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/all-you-need-to-know-about-the-afl-draft-points-system-20211017-p590o4.html
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Tigers just swapped picks 38 and 40 for pick 27 from Collingwood.
Great move IMO.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/collingwood-tigers-agree-to-pick-swap-ahead-of-draft-20211018-p590vy.html?fbclid=IwAR0OT0M3viabBL4KRBF5W42owvIsgI1zp5oZ1GtUX4e-jLgDALnb-lKNsh8
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Also next years 3rd from us
Gave up a fair bit IMO
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I’m with you , it’s good move,
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I’m with you , it’s good move,
38 and 40 is more points than 27 before you start
Then next years 3rd as well .. fair bit to give up
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I’m with you , it’s good move,
38 and 40 is more points than 27 before you start
Then next years 3rd as well .. fair bit to give up
Dude, honestly who gives a stuff about the points?
We’ve moved up up the draft 10 places giving us 5 picks in the first two rounds.
That’s a win no matter how you look at it!
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We now control the 26 27 28. Bazzo and Taylor potentially inbthe frame or package up 26 and 15 to move to a top 5 puck?
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I agree Loui.
There was no way Collingwood were going to give up pick 27 without a future pick involved. I have no issues with it. Having 26,27 and 28 gives a good chance to get the players we are after. Assuming of course we don’t package them up for a higher pick.
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I would go to the draft with these picks. Its a strong hand.
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I would go to the draft with these picks. Its a strong hand.
Should have got Lollingwoods future 4th rounder in return also - given their only be 1 pick difference between them seems fair
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Wouldn't be surprised if we try and get another top 10 pick now... :shh
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THat is what I was thinking Dio, just hope we don't go silly on that deal.
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Great hand. All up to the recruiters now to chose correctly. This draft can set us up for years and years to come although history suggests it is impossible to hit on 5 picks in a single draft.
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I have faith in our recruiter, they have got a lot right in the last five years even with the hand we had whilst winning premierships
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I have faith in our recruiter, they have got a lot right in the last five years even with the hand we had whilst winning premierships
Most recent history hasn’t been too crash hot although the juries still out on some:
2018:
Higgins - traded to saints
CCJ - traded to north
Balta - tick
Naish - delisted
Miller - ??? - delisted and rerookied, played 1 game to date
Baker - tick
Egg-Smith - delisted
2019:
RCD - ???
Ross - ???
Turner - delisted
English - delisted
Weller - delisted
Stack - ???
Picket - tick
2020:
Dow - ???
Cumberland - ??? - delisted set to be rookie listed
Martyn - ???
Ralphsmith- ???
Biggy - ??? - delisted set to be rookie listed
2021:
Ryan - ???
MRJ - ???
Colina - ???
Mansell - ???
Parker - ???
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Not great is it. We havent drafted well at all the last 3 years imho.
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Lol, with the late picks we have had due to being last pick in most of those years along with the rookies we picked up , I would suggest it’s a good effort, as you can only pick what’s available .
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Not great is it. We havent drafted well at all the last 3 years imho.
Bit early to judge the last two years especially considering the circumstances....not sure you can count blokes who requested trades a busts either..not as if we misjudged their ability.....:shh
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Yeah it’s a wait and see on most. Hopefully 2-3 in each draft class can come good.
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True, look at our best players and most would be in the top 20 picks. This year it’s fairly even to pick 30 per those in the know.
I’m hoping with a better hand this year we will get a few right.
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I think Dow Ralphsmith look ok. I dont rate Martyn at the miment. Ryan may be ok down the track but right now its not great.
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Of all of them, RCD looks like having the best attributes to play in the midfield at a high level.
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Of all of them, RCD looks like having the best attributes to play in the midfield at a high level.
HRT, agree with you, he has promising attributes, personally I like the way he is tracking, fingers crossed
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Of all of them, RCD looks like having the best attributes to play in the midfield at a high level.
HRT, agree with you, he has promising attributes, personally I like the way he is tracking, fingers crossed
Agree , but needs to run out games alot better going into.his 3 or 4th year.
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Having no tank is not a great midfield trait....
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Of all of them, RCD looks like having the best attributes to play in the midfield at a high level.
Don't see it myself.
Medium forward with midfield stints for me, sort of like Stringer.
Tank isn't there, but he can win contested ball, take a mark and kick a goal.
Some of them just aren't long-distance runners...
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Started racking up the possies in the VFL after he was dropped - a good sign that A) tank's improving and B) he learnt a lot from his AFL games... :shh
...and also:
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_rankings?year=2021&rt=RA&st=CC
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_rankings?year=2021&rt=RT&st=CC
:shh :shh
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Having no tank is not a great midfield trait....
Having a massive tank is pretty rare for a 21 year old after 2 pre seasons……
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A Freo supporter on their forum has proposed this:
Richmond 2,19 in for 7,15,26 out ..................... leaves Rich with 2,19,27,28.
GWS 6,7 in for 2,13 out .................................. leaves GWS with 6,7,53,71.
Fremantle 13,15,26 in for 6,19 out ................... leaves Freo with 8,13,15,26,61.
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Only if we are really that keen on Callaghan, and he would need to be a dead set gun you'd think.
Or Ward.
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Only if we are really that keen on Callaghan, and he would need to be a dead set gun you'd think.
Or Ward.
"In all that excitement back there I can't remember if I fired 5 shots or 6?"
Come on, who wouldn't want to draft Dirty Harry? :clapping
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A Freo supporter on their forum has proposed this:
Richmond 2,19 in for 7,15,26 out ..................... leaves Rich with 2,19,27,28.
GWS 6,7 in for 2,13 out .................................. leaves GWS with 6,7,53,71.
Fremantle 13,15,26 in for 6,19 out ................... leaves Freo with 8,13,15,26,61.
Could that work if we used our 2022 first round instead of #7??
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A Freo supporter on their forum has proposed this:
Richmond 2,19 in for 7,15,26 out ..................... leaves Rich with 2,19,27,28.
GWS 6,7 in for 2,13 out .................................. leaves GWS with 6,7,53,71.
Fremantle 13,15,26 in for 6,19 out ................... leaves Freo with 8,13,15,26,61.
Could that work if we used our 2022 first round instead of #7??
I'm guessing not if GWS believe we will make the finals next year and our future first ends up being a mid-teens pick. They would only do it if they thought we're going to finish 12th or lower next year.
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THE DELISTED PLAYERS WORTH ANOTHER SHOT ACCORDING TO JACK RIEWOLDT:
“There’s a few hidden gems I reckon for teams to come in and grab as delisted free agents,” Riewoldt told SEN Hobart.
“Here’s a couple of names for you. Charlie Constable, he’s always been on the fringe at the Cats, I think he’ll get another gig somewhere else.
“Jarrod Brander was floated as a trade and then somehow has ended up a delisted free agent, Trent Dumont as well.
“Tyson Stengle’s going to get another go and he’s done it the right way.
“I think the addition of Eddie Betts down at Geelong is going to have a massive impact for Stengle. Lived with him in Adelaide and will provide the platform off-field for Tyson to play his best footy down there at the Cattery.
“Levi Casboult’s an interesting one, he’s going to the Suns to fill a role up there.
“Jack Lonie, he’s a good little small forward, but has been pushed out a little bit by the younger small forwards that have come through from the Saints.
“One name, and I think he will stay at Collingwood, but there may be a different suitor for him.
“At his best, and I’ve seen it first hand, he can singlehandedly win a game as he did in 2018 in the Prelim.”
The delisted free agency period will run between November 3rd and November 9th.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/10/22/the-delisted-players-worth-another-shot-according-to-jack-riewoldt/
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Brisbane and Greater Western Sydney have completed a pick swap, with the Giants keen to shore up some draft points in case they need to match any Academy bids during the NAB AFL Draft.
The swap will see the Giants receive pick 54 from the Lions in exchange for a future third-round selection (currently tied to Port Adelaide) that GWS received as part of Jeremy Finlayson's move to the Power.
"It ensures we're in a strong position to have flexibility across our selections as well as prepare for any Academy bids that may occur on the night," he said.
The Giants now have picks 2, 13, 53, 54, 71 and 89 in the upcoming NAB AFL Draft, to be held on November 24 and 25.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/685599/giants-boost-draft-hand-in-trade-with-lions
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Richmond
Like the Dockers, Richmond may see Charlie Constable as a viable addition to aid their future midfield onslaught, with the club eyeing younger talent this off-season to bolster their own engine room.
The Tigers are set to enter the National Draft with arguably the strongest hand in the league, with several selections in the top 30 set to see an influx of youth.
The planning could see the Punt Road club place some attention to their key position stocks, having lost young pair Callum Coleman-Jones and Mabior Chol in the recent exchange window.
While they may still hold the cards to add to their onballer ensemble, Richmond may need to acquire some capital outside of the draft to replace their more senior midfield.
With Shane Edwards, Dustin Martin, Kane Lambert and Trent Cothcin headlining an ageing midfield, Constable could firm as a fitting option to at least stand as a reinforcement for the years to come.
https://www.zerohanger.com/potential-landing-spots-for-charlie-constable-93133/3/
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No hes too slow
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Richmond now has five picks inside the top 30 – a terrific hand for a team somewhat regenerating its list while still being in the premiership window. But the fact it’s previously used its strong leverage – it put forward an offer to North Melbourne in an attempt to snare Pick 1 – suggests the club would be prepared to again package up a few selections to get higher up the draft order.
Foxfooty.com.au understands the Tigers also rate Giants academy prospect Fahey highly and could launch a bid on him with one of their second-round selections. The Giants are almost certain to match a bid on Fahey, but might need to bank more points prior to the draft to give them some comfort, especially if a bid does come in the second round.
The Giants’ Pick 2 is also in hot demand, as reported by foxfooty.com.au on Friday night, with multiple clubs keen to trade up to that selection in order to get their hands on young gun midfielder Fin Callaghan. Gold Coast (Pick 3), Adelaide (Pick 4), Hawthorn (Pick 5) and Fremantle (Pick 6) have all been heavily linked to the left-footed Callaghan, with both the Suns and Crows already making inquiries.
Rival clubs believe the Giants would be open to trading Pick 2 and prepared to strike a deal with a team that presents the best offer, but only if it meant the Giants could still secure their preferred prospect. It’s understood the Giants are seeking a key-position player – rather than a midfielder like Callaghan – at their first draft selection, with Dandenong Stingrays star Mac Andrew widely viewed as their top priority.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/draft/afl-draft-2021-trades-order-picks-clubs-most-likely-to-swap-collingwood-western-bulldogs-pick-2-father-son/news-story/64817fb8897843b8342a1c59e2989eb4
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Jarrod Brander to become a Giant.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/685856/discarded-eagle-jarrod-brander-lands-at-the-giants
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:biglaugh :biglaugh :biglaugh
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The delisted free agent your club should be targeting
Casey McCarthy
zerohanger.com
November 4, 2021
Richmond - Charlie Constable
Richmond's midfield is ageing. Shane Edwards, Trent Cotchin, Dustin Martin and Kane Lambert will all be over 30 by Round 1 next season.
Charlie Constable is just 22 years old, and was a shock delisting by the Cats. He did play three games earlier in the year (12 career games in total), but mainly found himself completely dominating the VFL this season.
Richmond have form in picking up stars at relative ease - just think Dion Prestia, Tom Lynch and Toby Nankervis' ahead of the 2017 flag.
Charlie Constable's past 3 VFL games for the Cats
44 disp, 21 cont poss, 10 clear, 9 marks, 175 #SuperCoach points
42 disp, 24 cont poss, 19 groundball gets, 12 clear, 132 SC
30 disp, 11 cont poss, 7 tackles, 4 clear, 146 SC
https://twitter.com/ThePhantomSC/status/1448539638121988100
https://www.zerohanger.com/the-delisted-free-agent-your-club-should-be-targeting-93626/14/
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Yeah, Prestia was a doddle only cost us pick 6. ::)
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Too slow and would be a two rung downgrade on Ross
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Geelong looms as likely destination for South Fremantle utility Blake Schlensog.
https://thewest.com.au/sport/south-fremantle-football-club/afl-draft-2021-geelong-looms-as-likely-destination-for-south-fremantle-utility-blake-schlensog-c-4476649
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The news reckons the dogs pick 23 is being chased by clubs. I assume that means the dogs might party with it. Another top 30 pick for us? What have we got to give to get it.
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The news reckons the dogs pick 23 is being chased by clubs. I assume that means the dogs might party with it. Another top 30 pick for us? What have we got to give to get it.
They'll probably want something for this year you'd think. Don't think it's worth our while to get involved
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The Doggies need that pick for Darcy Jnr
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Still On The Primary List
Still On The Same Contract
Still Been Medically Cleared To Train/Play For Over A Month
Still At The Suns
Still See Everyone Round 1
Was happy to cop the odd clickbait article & social nuff if it meant assisting the club’s overall list strategy. (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f919-1f3fc.png)
https://twitter.com/HGreenwood3/status/1458742782990827522
4 days later ....
NORTH Melbourne has pulled off a stunning free agency coup, pinching star midfielder Hugh Greenwood from Gold Coast after he was surprisingly cut last week to help the club's list strategy.
It's understood the Kangaroos have signed Greenwood to a two-year deal as a delisted free agent, beating the Suns to his signature after they had promised to re-list the experienced onballer during next week's NAB AFL Draft.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/687443
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Still On The Primary List
Still On The Same Contract
Still Been Medically Cleared To Train/Play For Over A Month
Still At The Suns
Still See Everyone Round 1
Was happy to cop the odd clickbait article & social nuff if it meant assisting the club’s overall list strategy. (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f919-1f3fc.png)
https://twitter.com/HGreenwood3/status/1458742782990827522
4 days later ....
NORTH Melbourne has pulled off a stunning free agency coup, pinching star midfielder Hugh Greenwood from Gold Coast after he was surprisingly cut last week to help the club's list strategy.
It's understood the Kangaroos have signed Greenwood to a two-year deal as a delisted free agent, beating the Suns to his signature after they had promised to re-list the experienced onballer during next week's NAB AFL Draft.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/687443
One of the most bizarre turn of events I’ve seen in recent times. Could the suns not have picked a player other than Greenwood who at the least is in their top 10 players to delist and redraft? Did Greenwood only volunteer to be delisted so that he could do a sneaky and get out of the Gold Coast? Either way I hope this is the beginning of the end of clubs using this stupid loophole around list management rules.
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Surprised. Had a very solid 2021.
Roos done well given how much they need soldiers.
Reading Hugh's post on Twitter it sounds very much like he screwed over GCS for a better contract, that is he just walked out without telling them a whole lot haha. Must be that Crows culture still in him...
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Surprised. Had a very solid 2021.
Roos done well given how much they need soldiers.
Reading Hugh's post on Twitter it sounds very much like he screwed over GCS for a better contract, that is he just walked out without telling them a whole lot haha. Must be that Crows culture still in him...
But Hugh had a contract a very good contract $$$ wise that's why he joined the Suns in the first place.
And now low and behold after the bizarre decision by the Suns to cut him and then re-draft thereby honouring the original contract Hugh gets offered more $$$ again by N0rt and he takes it
Clear pattern here with Hugh or so it would appear.
Suns have screwed up here in a massive way and Hugh's done what Hugh seems to do and that's take the $$$
Like you said Andyy once a Crow.... :whistle
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North are really playing sewer rules and against another struggler …shifty
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What do you expect from Norf. They are just above Carlton and level with Collingwood and Essendon in the "do whatever it takes" culture
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North are really playing sewer rules and against another struggler …shifty
#lolnorf think they are heavy hitters after playing hardball on CCJ but in reality are the most busted ass club in the league
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Poor form by Norf, there must be an unwritten rule around this type of thing
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Can't really blame Hugh.
Serious coin for a potato who has laid a bucket of tackles lately.
Players don't need to be loyal to clubs either - clubs do this all the time. De-list a bloke, tell him not to train elsewhere, that he'll get picked up again later. Never do. It ended the career of one person I know (at North, under Laidley).
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I know, he can be such a bich
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Gold Coast is “strongly considering” drafting delisted Geelong midfielder Charlie Constable, reports SEN’s Sam Edmund.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/11/17/suns-strongly-considering-delisted-midfielder/