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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on December 03, 2014, 11:06:32 AM
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Welcome Jayden to Tigerland.
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Pick 11. Jayden Short (Richmond)
Player bio
Former club: Northern Knights
Age: 18
Height: 179cm
Weight: 71kg
Position: Forward
2014 Statistics
Games: -
Goals: -
Avg Kicks: -
Avg Marks: -
Avg Hballs: -
An exceptional kick on either side of his body, Short's kicking ability has been likened to that of Hawthorn star Sam Mitchell. He averaged almost 22 possessions a game in the TAC Cup and finished the season as one of the competition's most efficient ball-winners. A broken jaw interrupted the start of his year and meant he missed selection for Vic Metro. But he had an impressive season nonetheless, displaying terrific speed and agility to go with his elite kick. He was played mainly off the wing this year, but can move forward or into the middle.
VIDEO: http://www.afl.com.au/video?guid=699104
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Ok, well this loos like a good move, out of the blue. Welcome.
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This kid had great wraps on him coming into the draft, his size was always going to be in issue.
I can see this kid being a huge upgrade on Foley in the future.
Great get IMO👍
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2014 Rookie Draft, pick 11: Jayden Short
richmondfc.com.au
December 3, 2014 11:13 AM
Richmond has selected Northern Knights utility Jayden Short with its first pick (selection 11) in the 2014 Rookie Draft.
The 18-year-old, who is proficient on both sides of his body, played 13 games for the Knights in the TAC Cup in 2014, averaging 22 disposals and four tackles, and kicking 12 goals.
He was named among the best players in eight of those matches.
“Jayden missed the first two months of the season due to injury, but returned to have a strong impact in the back half of the TAC Cup season,” said Richmond Recruiting Manager Francis Jackson.
“He showed the flexibility to play back, midfield and forward, and performed well in all positions.
“He is a balanced player who has good skills on either side, and genuine speed to break the lines.
“He is also composed with the footy and makes good decisions.”
(http://www.richmondfc.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Richmond/Images/jaydenshortmain.jpg)
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-12-03/2014-rookie-draft-pick-11-jayden-short
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Going by the highlights package he looks very impressive
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This kid can play. If not for injury and missing Champs he would have gone main draft IMO.
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He would have gone in the top 40 if his surname was Tall. :whistle
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Good luck to him
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Cant believe this guy isnt promoted yet, FFS how long do we have to wait
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Cant believe this guy isnt promoted yet, FFS how long do we have to wait
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Late in the year after he has dominated?
Anthony Miles says hello!
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I see our 'Get Shorty' campaign paid off
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Would have preferred Jayden Tall rofl
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as long as he was under 200cm?
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Cant believe this guy isnt promoted yet, FFS how long do we have to wait
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Late in the year after he has dominated?
Anthony Miles says hello!
Oh Yeh good point, has anyone raised that or did it go under the radar
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AFL rookie draft: Jayden Short ready to prove himself with Richmond
Tara Murray
Northern Weekly
03/12/2014
Northern Knights’ Jayden Short set about making up for lost time after missing the start of the TAC Cup season.
“I fought my way back into the season and I wanted to get the best out of myself, which I did,” he said on Wednesday
It’s this fighting spirit which resulted in Short being picked up by Richmond at pick 11 in the AFL rookie draft.
“I still can’t believe it,” Short said only an hour after finding out he was joining an AFL list.
“I thought whatever happens, happens and if it did happen it would be really good.
“No one can believe that it has.”
The Mill Park resident said despite speaking to the Tigers late in the season he didn’t expect much from them or any other club.
“I just waited around to see what would happen.
“I took the day off work to see if my name would be called out and it was.”
Short, who led the TAC Cup in kicking efficiency, will have some familiar faces at his new club.
Two fellow Northern Knights players Reece McKenzie and Jason Castagna also found their way to the Tigers in the national and rookie drafts respectively.
“It will be fantastic to go there with a couple of mates,” Short said.
“It’s going to be hard work and I’m going to do my best. Being on the rookie list I’ve only got one year to prove myself.”
Short will fly to Townsville on Wednesday night to join the Tigers training camp.
Knights talent manager Peter Kennedy said he was thrilled Short and Castagna had been selected in the rookie draft.
“Those were the two we thought that would get picked up.
“We are really pleased Jayden has been given an opportunity. He missed the nationals so it’s a good outcome for him.
“Jason is the one we were disappointed with not being drafted in the national draft.
“He has done everything right and tested really well at national combine.
http://www.northernweekly.com.au/story/1829230/afl-rookie-draft-jayden-short-ready-to-prove-himself-with-richmond/
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Fitting surname - not only sums our rookie draft but also our midfield and our half-back line.
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From the Herald-Sun ...
Short missed out on a Vic Metro call-up after suffering a broken jaw in the pre-season.
The 179cm wingman-forward dominated for the Knights this season, showcasing his exceptional kicking skills.
“He had a great year at TAC Cup level, and Champion Data stats ranked him the best kick in the competition with 73.7 per cent efficiency,” Kennedy said.
“Very much his kicking was his point of difference.”
Kennedy said not playing in the nationals hindered Short’s draft chances last Thursday.
“Twenty-seven players from metro TAC Cup clubs were drafted, and of the 27, 24 played in the nationals. Only three didn’t,” Kennedy said.
“Really these days you need to play nationals to give yourself a chance to be drafted.”
Kennedy likened Short, who went at pick 11, to Sam Mitchell in the way he uses the football by foot.
“He can turn both sides of his body, you can’t tell which (is his preferred side),” he said.
“He’s more of an outside player than inside, that’s the area he needs to get stronger at. But he’s a good athlete. He ran 2.98 at the combine (for 20m sprint).”
http://www.news.com.au/national/northern-knights-pair-jayden-short-and-jason-castagna-join-teammate-rhys-mckenzie-at-afl-club-richmond/story-e6frfkp9-1227143366667
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Would have preferred Jayden Tall rofl
Wouldn't you prefer......
*puts sunglasses on*
Jayden Post?
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He fed McKenzie the ball plenty of times in the highlights.
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Moves like a mini Lennon for mine.
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Good pick, at 179cm he doesn't just need to improve his inside game, he needs to make it his number 1 priority. I say get Jakey King on to the case. He could teach him a thing or two about getting a hard ball. Some people say you can't teach that but it's worth a try.
I love what this guy does when he gets the footy though. He loves a goal but does not have a selfish bone in his body. He is a 100% team first player. He makes life easy for whoever is receiving possession from him because he has the skill to create space for them. He fits the bill for the modern day forward pocket. I think Jack especially would love a player like this alongside of him.
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The latest Choco's cub watch is about Jayden:
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2016-02-22/chocos-cub-watch-short
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The latest Choco's cub watch is about Jayden:
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2016-02-22/chocos-cub-watch-short
* I think Jayden was probably a fair way off it last year and he knew that. He’s come back for the pre-season with a great attitude/ He did a lot of work running in the off-season and he came back and ran some PBs. He’s been working with Craig McRae a lot since he’s come over as Richmond’s VFL coach. Craig played a very similar sort of role in his illustrious career at Brisbane. I actually coached Craig at Glenelg when I first started coaching. There are similar traits as far as their running ability and their goal sense. Craig keeps talking about where the ball’s going to fall, where you need to run and then, if you haven’t got the ball, what you have to do.
* Jayden’s not going to let Daniel Rioli just jump into a spot. He plays that similar small forward’s role. At training, he’s been a standout with his tackling, his chasing and goalkicking. So he’s some sort of chance of playing seniors. He’s probably improved as much as any of our young players from last year to this year.
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-02-22/chocos-cub-watch-jayden-short
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Has just been announce that Jayden has been upgraded to the senior list.
Congrats to shorty :cheers
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Richmond has upgraded skilful, speedy small forward Jayden Short from the rookie list to its primary playing list as a replacement for Reece Conca, who has been placed on the Club’s long-term injury list because of a severe hamstring problem.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-03-31/short-wins-promotion
“He did a lot of work running in the off-season, and he came back and ran some PB’s (in the pre-season),” said Richmond’s senior development coach Mark ‘Choco’ Williams.
“At training, he’s been a standout with his tackling, his chasing and goalkicking . . .
“He’s probably improved as much as any of our young players from last year to this year.”
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2016-03-31/chocos-cub-watch-short
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Does anyone rate this guy?
I haven't seen much of him.
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Does anyone rate this guy?
I haven't seen much of him.
I rate Butler higher but this guy keeps doing the right things at training so you just have to reward him. At least he can kick the ball and so I hope he is one of those guys I feel comfortable with when the ball is in his hands...
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Good luck to Jayden in his debut tomorrow night :).
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With no sub rule this year the best time to debut young blokes is early in the season. Onya Shorty! :cheers
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Liked what I saw. Shame his flog mates wanted to do all they could to throw the game.
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Not sure if good enough
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Not sure if good enough
stuff off
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Not sure if good enough
stuff off
I hope butler has a few more tricks
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Not sure if good enough
Needed to kick ten with thise Buffon coached morons feeding him?
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Not sure if good enough
Needed to kick ten with thise Buffon coached morons feeding him?
Spot on. Not sure if good enough? questionable ... especially with the muppets surrounding him doing SFA
I thought his front and centre positioning at the front of packs was pretty damn good for a first gamer.
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Not sure if good enough
Ridiculous statement
He was / is good enough
Was great last night
Showed more courage at contests than a number, berries of his more seasoned teammates
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Was good.
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For a rookie upgrade he showed more class, poise and composure than 99% of his teammates. At least he can kick straight and does appear to have some footy smarts which for the most part isin very short supply within the current playing group. Will only improve as he gets more game time and experience, after last night he is one player that when the ball is in his hands you actually have confidence he will do the right thing.
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Contributed well, last night
I have serious doubts (ridiculous or otherwise) if he will a long term afl player
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Watched him closely last night. Great debut. Was front and square a number of times. Is not afraid to put himself in the right places. A good kick.
The only positive for the night for me.
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Watched him closely last night. Great debut. Was front and square a number of times. Is not afraid to put himself in the right places. A good kick.
The only positive for the night for me.
Until Tigeritis sets in and ruins the career of another seemingly talented kid that has just kicked 3 on debut.
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Watched him closely last night. Great debut. Was front and square a number of times. Is not afraid to put himself in the right places. A good kick.
The only positive for the night for me.
Until Tigeritis sets in and ruins the career of another seemingly talented kid that has just kicked 3 on debut.
Unfortunately the chances of this happening are almost 100%... :banghead
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Contributed well, last night
I have serious doubts (ridiculous or otherwise) if he will a long term afl player
Agree. Well done to the kid for how he played but I think Butler shows more long term promise :-\
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in fairness to the bent judge, its been a long time since a richmond player knew how to get front and center that he was probably confused as to what the kid was doing
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Was a great first game from Short and will build on this and become more involved the more he plays. Rioli and Short should be a great future combo with Edwards and Llyod floating around the edges :pray
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Has peaked will go backwards from here
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Played really well, not sure what more he could have done.
Also, I notice a few of the negative posters are avoiding this thread. Having too much fun in the sack hardwick thread?
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Trade now while he has value
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Trade now while he has value
Good call Chucky.
Trade for a small forward who can kick goals!!!!
Wait!
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Short discussing his debut game post-match:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-04-04/short-shines-on-debut
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Trade now while he has value
Good call Chucky.
Trade for a small forward who can kick goals!!!!
Wait!
a more talented one :whistle
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We already have at least two more talented ones...Rioli & Butler.....and the latter can also play midfield... :shh
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We already have at least two more talented ones...Rioli & Butler.....and the latter can also play midfield... :shh
I'd play all three. Short, Butler and Rioli with Edwards and Lloyd up forward.
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....and Morris....
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We already have at least two more talented ones...Rioli & Butler.....and the latter can also play midfield... :shh
I'd play all three. Short, Butler and Rioli with Edwards and Lloyd up forward.
They will have field day if they hang around Griff and Hampson. Plenty of crumbs.
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We already have at least two more talented ones...Rioli & Butler.....and the latter can also play midfield... :shh
I'd play all three. Short, Butler and Rioli with Edwards and Lloyd up forward.
They will have field day if they hang around Griff and Hampson. Plenty of crumbs.
:clapping
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....and Morris....
No not Morris. He is only a slight upgrade on Hunt. Both are not the future!
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Yes - one in, all all in!
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Has peaked will go backwards from here
Dimmer will see to that
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Marty MCGrath Mk. II
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He's better than Marty.
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Flash in the pan type.
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Dimma talking about Short:
* Jayden Short's debut was pretty good. Started on the ground. Pendlebury started to get a bit of it so we moved Short onto him. He did a fantastic job and kicked 3 goals on a good player.
* He's an opportunist and will learn from that game. Offensively, he kicked some goals; defensively, there was room for improvement and we went through that in his individual review and the team review. But, overall, we were pleased with his effort. He's got a big job to continue that.
* We liken him to a Luke Breust. A smart, skillful player who doesn't need a lot of possessions to hurt the opposition. He's been a real find for us and we hope he continues to play at that level going forward.
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How good is it when young Short gets the ball and you know he will hit up a team mate. Not getting a heap at this stage but he gets into the right positions and has a great footy brain like Jack possesses.
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not good enough to miss easy goals ...
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Going well enough for a 4 gamer.
Possessions will come with more games at AFL level.
I like his hardness at the contest.
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Going well enough for a 4 gamer.
Possessions will come with more games at AFL level.
I like his hardness at the contest.
For a little guy he has guts. Hits his target with laser guidance too. Impressive and is an example what you may hatch if you play kids and not just list cloggers. :whistle
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I just hope he doesn't have Stevie Morris shoulder. Should feel sympathy for the fellas if they are hurting their shoulders that easily but it poo's me seeing them go limp armed at too much contact. Although I haven't seen Morris do it for a while.
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I just hope he doesn't have Stevie Morris shoulder. Should feel sympathy for the fellas if they are hurting their shoulders that easily but it poo's me seeing them go limp armed at too much contact. Although I haven't seen Morris do it for a while.
That's because Morris hasn't been near the ball lately :whistle
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I just hope he doesn't have Stevie Morris shoulder. Should feel sympathy for the fellas if they are hurting their shoulders that easily but it poo's me seeing them go limp armed at too much contact. Although I haven't seen Morris do it for a while.
That's because Morris hasn't been near the ball lately :whistle
Surely you are cracking jokes
Morris been hard at it past 2 weeks
Seems like he is back on track
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Give the ball to this kid at every opportunity. The best kick we have had since Geoff Raines :bow He also like to get physical and is not intimidated by anyone.
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Apparently Dimma wasn't happy with his kick outs, they were too risky :help
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so by that I take it they werent the stock standard short chip to the pocket or long kick towards the boundary - the only 2 types of kickouts we go with
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Up the corridor and hitting targets. Not the richmond way
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Up the corridor and hitting targets. Not the richmond way
This.
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Up the corridor and hitting targets. Not the richmond way
This.
yep, what a stuffing moron
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Apparently Dimma wasn't happy with his kick outs, they were too risky :help
Have to admit one of the ones I remember I thought WTF is this kid doing but he nailed a difficult kick onto the tit of a team mate. Can't see an issue with it if he continually pulls it off
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Brilliant kick. Should take all the kickouts from now on.
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Always seemed to be a decent kick,must be why it's taken him so long to get games.
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Always seemed to be a decent kick,must be why it's taken him so long to get games.
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that and the fact he was injured for a fair bit of last year & the fact he is on the rookie list
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Thought it a bit indicative of Hardwick's defensive mindset when during his presser he mentioned that he was nervous that Short pulled the trigger on some passes through the corridor.
God forbid we actually try and take the shortest route to goal once in a while. Will have that habit well and truly shaken out of him after a one on one session with Hardwick this week.
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Brilliant kick. Should take all the kickouts from now on.
If your goin to be that small you gotta kick good
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Brilliant kick. Should take all the kickouts from now on.
Yep
If your goin to be that small you gotta kick good
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Thought this kid was one of our cleanest and most composed players last night. He did make some mistakes but overall his kicking is a delight. Some of his more senior team mates could learn a thing or two about composure from this kid. :clapping
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Thought this kid was one of our cleanest and most composed players last night. He did make some mistakes but overall his kicking is a delight. Some of his more senior team mates could learn a thing or two about composure from this kid. :clapping
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Was just about to post the same. Was a bit concerned when he conceded that holding the ball on the back flank but bounced back and showed some real quality at times I thought. I was probably a bit harsh on his AFL prospects earlier in the season but he's shown he can be a reasonable depth player at worst I'd have thought.
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is a natural crumber, something we have not had for a long time. This is one attribute that is of more use closer to goal, and something we severely lacked last night, and every game rioli hasnt played and he has played down back for that matter
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Can play the little guy :clapping
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Love this kid :thumbsup
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I like the boy
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As per Georgie
Keeper. Will get promoted
Scary that our supposedly totally incompetent recruiting department look like they've got 2 good ones here
Throw in Mrakov, Menadue, Rioli and ...welll...struth....it's scary :rollin
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Can't wait to see Markov next year, after a good pre season and some weights.. :thumbsup
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As per Georgie
Keeper. Will get promoted
Scary that our supposedly totally incompetent recruiting department look like they've got 2 good ones here
Throw in Mrakov, Menadue, Rioli and ...welll...struth....it's scary :rollin
Aren't those picks since Clarke has had more of a say?
Do they excuse Moneyblair's retreads?
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As per Georgie
Keeper. Will get promoted
Scary that our supposedly totally incompetent recruiting department look like they've got 2 good ones here
Throw in Mrakov, Menadue, Rioli and ...welll...struth....it's scary :rollin
Are you implying that our recruiting has been good?
Do you think Betamax should get an extension?
What are you saying WP?
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Are you implying that our recruiting has been good?
Do you think Betamax should get an extension?
What are you saying WP?
What I'm saying is that it looks like they may have got a few right in the last few years.
No our recruiting hasn't been great, far from it but in fairness they have got a few right.
Just think good picks should be acknowledged and credit given. But it seems no matter what whacks are the only thing some get, no matter what. ;D
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Thats fair enough too WP
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Initially worried too vanilla at his size
However his kicking is smooth, looks a prospect
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Yes , definitely a keeper.
An upgrade on Stevie Morris .
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will enjoy watching him keep betts goalless... if it hapens
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Are you implying that our recruiting has been good?
Do you think Betamax should get an extension?
What are you saying WP?
What I'm saying is that it looks like they may have got a few right in the last few years.
No our recruiting hasn't been great, far from it but in fairness they have got a few right.
Just think good picks should be acknowledged and credit given. But it seems no matter what whacks are the only thing some get, no matter what. ;D
Even a broken clock is right twice a day
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Love his dare with his kicking and his overall kicking skills are elite, but one thing Ive noticed is he doesnt tackle much? He's hard at it and not afraid to take the hits so not questioning him. But at richmond we seem to have a habit of turning our "quarterback" into a soft receiver that doesnt do the hard stuff - ie Houli, Newman and Bowden before. Its great to be the go to man coming out of 50 but please dont let him drift away from the basics of defending.
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Love his dare with his kicking and his overall kicking skills are elite, but one thing Ive noticed is he doesnt tackle much? He's hard at it and not afraid to take the hits so not questioning him. But at richmond we seem to have a habit of turning our "quarterback" into a soft receiver that doesnt do the hard stuff - ie Houli, Newman and Bowden before. Its great to be the go to man coming out of 50 but please dont let him drift away from the basics of defending.
Tbf I don't think deledio / vlastuin are soft (other disagree rightly or wrongly) or martin when the supercoach plays him back. Markov, c Ellis, George seem to have some go in them too
Agreed short doesn't seem to tackle much but he was always going to have some flaws to be drafted so late, and being tiny.
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Love his dare with his kicking and his overall kicking skills are elite, but one thing Ive noticed is he doesnt tackle much? He's hard at it and not afraid to take the hits so not questioning him. But at richmond we seem to have a habit of turning our "quarterback" into a soft receiver that doesnt do the hard stuff - ie Houli, Newman and Bowden before. Its great to be the go to man coming out of 50 but please dont let him drift away from the basics of defending.
Tbf I don't think deledio / vlastuin are soft (other disagree rightly or wrongly) or martin when the supercoach plays him back. Markov, c Ellis, George seem to have some go in them too
Agreed short doesn't seem to tackle much but he was always going to have some flaws to be drafted so late, and being tiny.
Taking it OT a bit but Vlastuin is crap at the quarterback role - doesnt get it anywhere near enough - is wasted down back and currently is nothing more than an average player. Thanks for bringing up Lids, was very outside/unaccountable doing this role and after a while teams started going through his direct opponent. Thats my point, why does it need to be so extreme?
Classic quarterback is Heater - learnt early on in his career that he also needs to defend - I recall teams early in his career used to drag him to the goal square and he'd get beaten but MM persevered and let him learn a valuable lesson and has now been one of the best all round defenders in the game.
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IMO the classic sweeper (change terminology before dioc has an aneurysm ) is hodge - 2008 gf. Not just playmaking with the ball but also defending like Rommel. Vlastuin is ok but wasted should be in the guts
Respectfully disagree Deledio in the backline, does it well in comparison most look average - Houli. Vlastuin. Short. Lids won an aa or two in this role. Got 15 odd touches in a quarter a few weeks ago... He has suffered from being thrown around to be me fix-it by poor coaching ideals.
Takes marks. Goes hard. Wins ball. Most hodge like since hodge. For example, is argue he's a long way ahead of short in this role or otherwise.
Rance obviously has changed the game again by how he plays Heath shaw bit overrated for mine.
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Hodge is Boss at that role
I used Shaw as an example bc I wanted to show a player that probably wasnt hard as a cats head early on in the piece was able to be developed from a player that was unaccountable to someone who learnt to defend well.
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Classic quarterback is Heater -
Who?
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Heath Shaw - apparently playing in the NFL these days....
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Heath Shaw - apparently playing in the NFL these days....
How the stuff does anyone know this flogs nickname?
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Really?
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Really?
Yes
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Really?
Yes
Everytime hes spoken to on Tv or spoken of, hes referred to as heater, heard it about 20 times
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Heath Shaw - apparently playing in the NFL these days....
How the stuff does anyone know this flogs nickname?
Guessed
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Really?
Yes
Everytime hes spoken to on Tv or spoken of, hes referred to as heater, heard it about 20 times
Do you even go to games ::) :sarcasm
Fair play. Can't say I watch any of the footy related stuff on TV. Skip most interviews before/during/after games too unless they are Richmond
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Jayden Short on 'Sports Day':
AUDIO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2016-08-10/short-on-sportsday-august-10th
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Short subsequently was recalled for the Round 12 match against Gold Coast at the MCG, in a new role as a small defender, and assigned the kick-in duties. In eight games since, Short has averaged 18.9 disposals per match. His speed, football ‘smarts’ and top-class kicking skills have combined to make him a valuable member of the Tigers’ backline. And, he’s adapted extremely well to the pressure associated with taking the kick-ins.
"At the start, I didn’t really think about it too much. I didn’t have much to lose, so I just tried to hit as many kicks as I can. But now that I’m in the team more often, it’s a bit more daunting. I don’t want to miss too many targets and I don’t want to get any goals scored against me . . .”
"One of the better things of my game is my kicking. Down forward, you sort of only to get to have a couple of shots on goal and maybe kick it to a couple of people. But down back, you get to set up the play and try and create a few things and make things happen. The backline’s fun. I get to back myself a fair bit. The coach has given me a fair bit of leniency in how I kick it, and where I kick it - just make up my mind up where I go."
"I wasn’t too fit in my first year, coming into the AFL system. I learned a fair bit in my first year and took that into my second pre-season. I’ll certainly be doing a lot of running and getting myself as fit as possible, so I can make pre-season as easy as possible for myself.”
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-08-11/short-kicks-boost-tigers
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Jayden Short on 'Sports Day':
AUDIO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2016-08-10/short-on-sportsday-august-10th
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Short subsequently was recalled for the Round 12 match against Gold Coast at the MCG, in a new role as a small defender, and assigned the kick-in duties. In eight games since, Short has averaged 18.9 disposals per match. His speed, football ‘smarts’ and top-class kicking skills have combined to make him a valuable member of the Tigers’ backline. And, he’s adapted extremely well to the pressure associated with taking the kick-ins.
"At the start, I didn’t really think about it too much. I didn’t have much to lose, so I just tried to hit as many kicks as I can. But now that I’m in the team more often, it’s a bit more daunting. I don’t want to miss too many targets and I don’t want to get any goals scored against me . . .”
"One of the better things of my game is my kicking. Down forward, you sort of only to get to have a couple of shots on goal and maybe kick it to a couple of people. But down back, you get to set up the play and try and create a few things and make things happen. The backline’s fun. I get to back myself a fair bit. The coach has given me a fair bit of leniency in how I kick it, and where I kick it - just make up my mind up where I go."
"I wasn’t too fit in my first year, coming into the AFL system. I learned a fair bit in my first year and took that into my second pre-season. I’ll certainly be doing a lot of running and getting myself as fit as possible, so I can make pre-season as easy as possible for myself.”
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-08-11/short-kicks-boost-tigers
Even though it is undoubtedly a success story in the train wreck of this year I don't think you can play someone forward and then in the backline going off the so called experts on here
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Really want to see this kid tackle more, think he is being taught some really bad habits by the coaching staff
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Think today exposed some deficiencies in his defensive work. Once Grimes had to play tall and he had to take Motlop we started to look vulnerable. Saying that, the kid has only just learnt how to play back recently and played on a pretty good forward so he has plenty of time on his hands.
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His kicking tends go to shyte under moderate pressure.....
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His kicking tends go to shyte under moderate pressure.....
It did today.
Last week his kicking was sensational, even under pressure.
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People want deledio traded to play short on a hbf ...
Downgrade
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His kicking tends go to shyte under moderate pressure.....
Really - hits plenty of targets either side of his body pressure or no pressure.
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Kicking is not a weakness - even the best fluff kicks under pressure - regularly
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Not lids :thumbsdown
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Not lids :thumbsdown
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Lids even missed a basic short pass under no pressure in last years EF….
It happens.
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Not lids :thumbsdown
if ever you want an example of how people only see what they want to see, this is it.
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Not lids :thumbsdown
if ever you want an example of how people only see what they want to see, this is it.
🍆✊💦😘
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Not lids :thumbsdown
if ever you want an example of how people only see what they want to see, this is it.
Stalin is the master of rose coloured glasses when it comes to our good players. Can't fault them
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I was just kiddin, no one is above kicking badly
I'm still losin sleep over lids trying to be Scarlett a few weeks ago instead of picking I up
However lids generally kicks laser beams. Cotchin and lids kick correctly generally even if under pressure. Lesser players kick extra fast when the heat is on in order to try and protect themself from contact - often meaning the kick loses accuracy.
Grigg
Houli
Don't know what boat short is in yet.
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:lol Cotchin is an average kick what you talking about?
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When he is about to get clobbered - he still normally kicks the ball correctly taking the tackle instead of protecting himself
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No. Always
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Has been elevated to the senior list, well ern't imo :clapping
http://m.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-10-31/jayden-short-promoted-to-senior-list
Jayden Short elevated to senior list
richmondfc.com.au
31 October 2016 3:06 PM
Richmond has elevated rookie Jayden Short to the Club’s senior list and extended his contract by two years, tying him to the Tigers until at least the end of the 2018 season.
Short was recruited to the Tigers in the 2015 AFL Rookie Draft, with the Club’s first round selection (no. 11 overall).
The 20-year-old utility made his AFL debut against Collingwood in Round 2 this season playing as a forward, he booted three goals in his first game.
He went on to play 16 games in the 2016 home-and-away season, and solidified his position in the backline with his impressive speed, kicking and composure under pressure.
“Jayden works incredibly hard on and off the field to develop and improve his game, and that’s why we love him in our team,” Richmond’s General Manager – Football Talent, Dan Richardson said.
“He’s a very versatile player with great pace, kicking skills and footy smarts, and we’re really pleased to reward his hard work with a place on our senior list and a contract extension.
“We’re looking forward to Jayden having a strong pre-season and taking his game to another level in 2017.”
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Dan the Man sure loves his two-year contracts....hands them out like lollies....
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pretty sure its the minimum when you elevate a rookie, or draft a player.
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pretty sure its the minimum when you elevate a rookie, or draft a player.
I believe you are correct Pen
Same rules as drafted players minimum 2 years as clubs use a Nat draft selection on their rookie promotions
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pretty sure its the minimum when you elevate a rookie, or draft a player.
I believe you are correct Pen
Same rules as drafted players minimum 2 years as clubs use a Nat draft selection on their rookie promotions
Nope - two-year minimum contract rule for national draftees only applies to players under the age of 23 who've never previously been on an AFL list.
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Congrats and deserved :cheers short is next to jack as far as footy smarts go.....and his kicking :bow
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pretty sure its the minimum when you elevate a rookie, or draft a player.
I believe you are correct Pen
Same rules as drafted players minimum 2 years as clubs use a Nat draft selection on their rookie promotions
Nope - two-year minimum contract rule for national draftees only applies to players under the age of 23 who've never previously been on an AFL list.
Fair enough
Thought it applied to rookies in that they qualified because they had never been on a senior AFL list
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Congrats and deserved :cheers short is next to jack as far as footy smarts go.....and his kicking :bow
Is he as good as puopolo?
You are all dreaming if you think he is any good
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Congrats and deserved :cheers short is next to jack as far as footy smarts go.....and his kicking :bow
Is he as good as puopolo?
You are all dreaming if you think he is any good
Jayden Short. Paul Puopolo
20yo 16 games 23yo 133 games
Height 177. 72kg. Height 173. 78kg
Averages. Averages
Disposals 14.88 Disposals 14.71
Kicks 11.81 Kicks 7.41
Marks 3.38. Marks 2.41
Handballs 3.06 Handballs 7.81
Goals 0.38 Goals 0.98
If it's Puopolo we're comparing with he's tracking along quite nicely....
http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/J/Jayden_Short.html
http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/P/Paul_Puopolo.html
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This bloke can actually Play a bit. Congrats to him.
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Do we have to compare Shorty to Spew-up-olo ... :-\
Ok then ... I've never seen Shorty stick his head under somebody's arm & stage for a free in front of goal. :-\
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Congrats and deserved :cheers short is next to jack as far as footy smarts go.....and his kicking :bow
Is he as good as puopolo?
You are all dreaming if you think he is any good
Jayden Short. Paul Puopolo
20yo 16 games 23yo 133 games
Height 177. 72kg. Height 173. 78kg
Averages. Averages
Disposals 14.88 Disposals 14.71
Kicks 11.81 Kicks 7.41
Marks 3.38. Marks 2.41
Handballs 3.06 Handballs 7.81
Goals 0.38 Goals 0.98
If it's Puopolo we're comparing with he's tracking along quite nicely....
http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/J/Jayden_Short.html
http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/P/Paul_Puopolo.html
There is a stat you missed- 3x Premiership player. Makes all the other numbers sound pretty stupid.
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Congrats and deserved :cheers short is next to jack as far as footy smarts go.....and his kicking :bow
Is he as good as puopolo?
You are all dreaming if you think he is any good
Jayden Short. Paul Puopolo
20yo 16 games 23yo 133 games
Height 177. 72kg. Height 173. 78kg
Averages. Averages
Disposals 14.88 Disposals 14.71
Kicks 11.81 Kicks 7.41
Marks 3.38. Marks 2.41
Handballs 3.06 Handballs 7.81
Goals 0.38 Goals 0.98
If it's Puopolo we're comparing with he's tracking along quite nicely....
http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/J/Jayden_Short.html
http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/P/Paul_Puopolo.html
There is a stat you missed- 3x Premiership player. Makes all the other numbers sound pretty stupid.
Judging him against Puopolo......why? I don't give a stuff about Puopolo. All i care about is Short becoming the player he knows he can become which will be great for the Tigers!
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well deserved, lets just hope the new coaching team will teach him to be more defensively oriented. If he adds that to his game and finds the right balance between defence and attack, I am confident he will go on to become a very good player.
I know I keep banging on about this but Im sick of us producing the same sort of unaccountable release player from defence that hurts us defensively, Bowden, Newman, Houli etc - its clear theyve earmarked short for that role now with his elite kicking skills
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There is a stat you missed- 3x Premiership player. Makes all the other numbers sound pretty stupid.
Well stuff I guess that makes Mitch Morton and anyone else with a premiership medal better than anyone on our team. Puopolo must be better than GAJ too :gobdrop
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There is a stat you missed- 3x Premiership player. Makes all the other numbers sound pretty stupid.
Well stuff I guess that makes Mitch Morton and anyone else with a premiership medal better than anyone on our team. Puopolo must be better than GAJ too :gobdrop
And Patrick Dangerfield.
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Deserves a spot on the senior list given he progressed to play senior/AFL footy this year but, to be honest, I'm still not convinced he is a long term option. Early days for him though.
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Deserves a spot on the senior list given he progressed to play senior/AFL footy this year but, to be honest, I'm still not convinced he is a long term option. Early days for him though.
His best feature is his kicking. Currently the best kick in the side by a long way. If Lennon pulled a finger out (or was allowed to :shh) he could take over that mantle.
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Deserves a spot on the senior list given he progressed to play senior/AFL footy this year but, to be honest, I'm still not convinced he is a long term option. Early days for him though.
I think he'd be valuable as a small/fwd. Crafty and crums the ball and as we all know he's a beautiful kick so if he goes up the ground a bit you can rely on him to at least put it to the forwards advantage in the F50. Funnily enough he kicks 3 goals on debut and is now a small defender :clapping. Wouldn't be too surprised to see that change though with the return of Houli, McIntosh and maybe Yarran.
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There is a stat you missed- 3x Premiership player. Makes all the other numbers sound pretty stupid.
Well stuff I guess that makes Mitch Morton and anyone else with a premiership medal better than anyone on our team. Puopolo must be better than GAJ too :gobdrop
Only an idiot would make that comparison. So congratulations.
When you/others compare stats of players that play different rolls in their teams, especially 3x premiership players, it's pretty senseless and pointless. Most with a brain would make that distinction but you being an idiot obviously didn't. So congrats again.
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All I hear is loud noises
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All I hear is loud noises
:lol :lol
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There is a stat you missed- 3x Premiership player. Makes all the other numbers sound pretty stupid.
Well stuff I guess that makes Mitch Morton and anyone else with a premiership medal better than anyone on our team. Puopolo must be better than GAJ too :gobdrop
Only an idiot would make that comparison. So congratulations.
When you/others compare stats of players that play different rolls in their teams, especially 3x premiership players, it's pretty senseless and pointless. Most with a brain would make that distinction but you being an idiot obviously didn't. So congrats again.
:):lol :lol
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I love lamp. I love....table.....
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There is a stat you missed- 3x Premiership player. Makes all the other numbers sound pretty stupid.
Well stuff I guess that makes Mitch Morton and anyone else with a premiership medal better than anyone on our team. Puopolo must be better than GAJ too :gobdrop
Only an idiot would make that comparison. So congratulations.
When you/others compare stats of players that play different rolls in their teams, especially 3x premiership players, it's pretty senseless and pointless. Most with a brain would make that distinction but you being an idiot obviously didn't. So congrats again.
agreed.
The use of the premierships played in stat to say that one player is better than another should only be used selectively and when it suits.
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There is a stat you missed- 3x Premiership player. Makes all the other numbers sound pretty stupid.
Well stuff I guess that makes Mitch Morton and anyone else with a premiership medal better than anyone on our team. Puopolo must be better than GAJ too :gobdrop
Only an idiot would make that comparison. So congratulations.
When you/others compare stats of players that play different rolls in their teams, especially 3x premiership players, it's pretty senseless and pointless. Most with a brain would make that distinction but you being an idiot obviously didn't. So congrats again.
LMFAO. I think if we are point scoring thats a knock out. Now as one of very few posters whose opinion on players i am prepared to trust to a degree !!! where do you think Short sits in the scheme of things.
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There is a stat you missed- 3x Premiership player. Makes all the other numbers sound pretty stupid.
Well stuff I guess that makes Mitch Morton and anyone else with a premiership medal better than anyone on our team. Puopolo must be better than GAJ too :gobdrop
Only an idiot would make that comparison. So congratulations.
When you/others compare stats of players that play different rolls in their teams, especially 3x premiership players, it's pretty senseless and pointless. Most with a brain would make that distinction but you being an idiot obviously didn't. So congrats again.
The only idiot is the one who uses premierships medals as some sort of quantifier for a players abilities. The idiocy is only compounded by then claiming you can't compare two players by stats after they compared said players themselves. :lol Funny that I didn't make the distinction when I never compared Puopolo and Short to begin with :wallywink
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There is a stat you missed- 3x Premiership player. Makes all the other numbers sound pretty stupid.
Well stuff I guess that makes Mitch Morton and anyone else with a premiership medal better than anyone on our team. Puopolo must be better than GAJ too :gobdrop
Only an idiot would make that comparison. So congratulations.
When you/others compare stats of players that play different rolls in their teams, especially 3x premiership players, it's pretty senseless and pointless. Most with a brain would make that distinction but you being an idiot obviously didn't. So congrats again.
The only idiot is the one who uses premierships medals as some sort of quantifier for a players abilities. The idiocy is only compounded by then claiming you can't compare two players by stats after they compared said players themselves. :lol Funny that I didn't make the distinction when I never compared Puopolo and Short to begin with :wallywink
You just proved yourself to be the idiot I think you are. I didn't compare the two players. Go back and have a look and if you are any sort of a man you'll say you are an idiot and we can all move on with the conformation from the idiot that you are indeed an idiot. Congratulations :wallywink
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My cock is bigger than yours
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My cock is bigger than yours
Owls don't have big ones. FACT. :lol
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You just proved yourself to be the idiot I think you are. I didn't compare the two players. Go back and have a look and if you are any sort of a man you'll say you are an idiot and we can all move on with the conformation from the idiot that you are indeed an idiot. Congratulations :wallywink
Congrats and deserved :cheers short is next to jack as far as footy smarts go.....and his kicking :bow
Is he as good as puopolo?
You are all dreaming if you think he is any good
Jayden Short. Paul Puopolo
20yo 16 games 23yo 133 games
Height 177. 72kg. Height 173. 78kg
Averages. Averages
Disposals 14.88 Disposals 14.71
Kicks 11.81 Kicks 7.41
Marks 3.38. Marks 2.41
Handballs 3.06 Handballs 7.81
Goals 0.38 Goals 0.98
If it's Puopolo we're comparing with he's tracking along quite nicely....
http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/J/Jayden_Short.html
http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/P/Paul_Puopolo.html
There is a stat you missed- 3x Premiership player. Makes all the other numbers sound pretty stupid.
There is your comparison right there you nuffer. So are you now man enough to admit you're in fact the idiot?
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My cock is bigger than yours
Owls don't have big ones. FACT. :lol
Man, its gonna be a long off season
You got anything you can prescribe doc?
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You just proved yourself to be the idiot I think you are. I didn't compare the two players. Go back and have a look and if you are any sort of a man you'll say you are an idiot and we can all move on with the conformation from the idiot that you are indeed an idiot. Congratulations :wallywink
Congrats and deserved :cheers short is next to jack as far as footy smarts go.....and his kicking :bow
Is he as good as puopolo?
You are all dreaming if you think he is any good
Jayden Short. Paul Puopolo
20yo 16 games 23yo 133 games
Height 177. 72kg. Height 173. 78kg
Averages. Averages
Disposals 14.88 Disposals 14.71
Kicks 11.81 Kicks 7.41
Marks 3.38. Marks 2.41
Handballs 3.06 Handballs 7.81
Goals 0.38 Goals 0.98
If it's Puopolo we're comparing with he's tracking along quite nicely....
http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/J/Jayden_Short.html
http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/P/Paul_Puopolo.html
There is a stat you missed- 3x Premiership player. Makes all the other numbers sound pretty stupid.
There is your comparison right there you nuffer. So are you now man enough to admit you're in fact the idiot?
Just so it is clear to everyone my interpretation is as follows;
* Big Note didn't put up the initial comparison
* Big Note however did add to the initial comparison by adding another comparison factor ie premierships
* Big Note then went on to say because Puopolo was a premiership player x 3 that the other comparison factors where all stupid
To summarise Big Note has inferred by his posts that comparing Short and Puopolo is valid and the most material factor is premierships played.
If anyone else has a different interpretation of what has happened please advise.
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You just proved yourself to be the idiot I think you are. I didn't compare the two players. Go back and have a look and if you are any sort of a man you'll say you are an idiot and we can all move on with the conformation from the idiot that you are indeed an idiot. Congratulations :wallywink
Congrats and deserved :cheers short is next to jack as far as footy smarts go.....and his kicking :bow
Is he as good as puopolo?
You are all dreaming if you think he is any good
Jayden Short. Paul Puopolo
20yo 16 games 23yo 133 games
Height 177. 72kg. Height 173. 78kg
Averages. Averages
Disposals 14.88 Disposals 14.71
Kicks 11.81 Kicks 7.41
Marks 3.38. Marks 2.41
Handballs 3.06 Handballs 7.81
Goals 0.38 Goals 0.98
If it's Puopolo we're comparing with he's tracking along quite nicely....
http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/J/Jayden_Short.html
http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/P/Paul_Puopolo.html
There is a stat you missed- 3x Premiership player. Makes all the other numbers sound pretty stupid.
There is your comparison right there you nuffer. So are you now man enough to admit you're in fact the idiot?
Just so it is clear to everyone my interpretation is as follows;
* Big Note didn't put up the initial comparison
* Big Note however did add to the initial comparison by adding another comparison factor ie premierships
* Big Note then went on to say because Puopolo was a premiership player x 3 that the other comparison factors where all stupid
To summarise Big Note has inferred by his posts that comparing Short and Puopolo is valid and the most material factor is premierships played.
If anyone else has a different interpretation of what has happened please advise.
Can we then compare our interpretations?
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I can count to potato.
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You just proved yourself to be the idiot I think you are. I didn't compare the two players. Go back and have a look and if you are any sort of a man you'll say you are an idiot and we can all move on with the conformation from the idiot that you are indeed an idiot. Congratulations :wallywink
Congrats and deserved :cheers short is next to jack as far as footy smarts go.....and his kicking :bow
Is he as good as puopolo?
You are all dreaming if you think he is any good
Jayden Short. Paul Puopolo
20yo 16 games 23yo 133 games
Height 177. 72kg. Height 173. 78kg
Averages. Averages
Disposals 14.88 Disposals 14.71
Kicks 11.81 Kicks 7.41
Marks 3.38. Marks 2.41
Handballs 3.06 Handballs 7.81
Goals 0.38 Goals 0.98
If it's Puopolo we're comparing with he's tracking along quite nicely....
http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/J/Jayden_Short.html
http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/P/Paul_Puopolo.html
There is a stat you missed- 3x Premiership player. Makes all the other numbers sound pretty stupid.
There is your comparison right there you nuffer. So are you now man enough to admit you're in fact the idiot?
Just so it is clear to everyone my interpretation is as follows;
* Big Note didn't put up the initial comparison
* Big Note however did add to the initial comparison by adding another comparison factor ie premierships
* Big Note then went on to say because Puopolo was a premiership player x 3 that the other comparison factors where all stupid
To summarise Big Note has inferred by his posts that comparing Short and Puopolo is valid and the most material factor is premierships played.
If anyone else has a different interpretation of what has happened please advise.
Can we then compare our interpretations?
Sure we can, as long as there is bluff and bluster involved interspersed with the odd bit of name calling
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Also - 'Poppy' was born 2 December 1987. By my calculations that makes him about to turn 29.
Not 23!! :)
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You just proved yourself to be the idiot I think you are. I didn't compare the two players. Go back and have a look and if you are any sort of a man you'll say you are an idiot and we can all move on with the conformation from the idiot that you are indeed an idiot. Congratulations :wallywink
Congrats and deserved :cheers short is next to jack as far as footy smarts go.....and his kicking :bow
Is he as good as puopolo?
You are all dreaming if you think he is any good
Jayden Short. Paul Puopolo
20yo 16 games 23yo 133 games
Height 177. 72kg. Height 173. 78kg
Averages. Averages
Disposals 14.88 Disposals 14.71
Kicks 11.81 Kicks 7.41
Marks 3.38. Marks 2.41
Handballs 3.06 Handballs 7.81
Goals 0.38 Goals 0.98
If it's Puopolo we're comparing with he's tracking along quite nicely....
http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/J/Jayden_Short.html
http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/P/Paul_Puopolo.html
There is a stat you missed- 3x Premiership player. Makes all the other numbers sound pretty stupid.
There is your comparison right there you nuffer. So are you now man enough to admit you're in fact the idiot?
Just so it is clear to everyone my interpretation is as follows;
* Big Note didn't put up the initial comparison
* Big Note however did add to the initial comparison by adding another comparison factor ie premierships
* Big Note then went on to say because Puopolo was a premiership player x 3 that the other comparison factors where all stupid
To summarise Big Note has inferred by his posts that comparing Short and Puopolo is valid and the most material factor is premierships played.
If anyone else has a different interpretation of what has happened please advise.
Your interpretations are good but you left out my cock size at the end which trumps all other interpretations
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Also - 'Poppy' was born 2 December 1987. By my calculations that makes him about to turn 29.
Not 23!! :)
My bad, Poppy made his debut at 23! And is currently 29.
Apologies for that...
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Just so it is clear to everyone my interpretation is as follows;
* Big Note didn't put up the initial comparison
* Big Note however did add to the initial comparison by adding another comparison factor ie premierships
* Big Note then went on to say because Puopolo was a premiership player x 3 that the other comparison factors where all stupid
To summarise Big Note has inferred by his posts that comparing Short and Puopolo is valid and the most material factor is premierships played.
If anyone else has a different interpretation of what has happened please advise.
*Yeahright never compared Puopolo and Short
Just to confirm
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Hmm no tackling stats. Seeing as Puopolo plays almost exclusively the defensive forward role i would have thought stats that show applied pressure are important.
Have to ask how long ago was it that we had a player who lays over 100 tackles in a season. I cant think of one over the last three yrs.
Puopolo has managed to play in three premierships for a reason.
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Last to my knowledge was Tuck 124 tackles in 2012. And people think we don't miss him lol
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You just proved yourself to be the idiot I think you are. I didn't compare the two players. Go back and have a look and if you are any sort of a man you'll say you are an idiot and we can all move on with the conformation from the idiot that you are indeed an idiot. Congratulations :wallywink
Congrats and deserved :cheers short is next to jack as far as footy smarts go.....and his kicking :bow
Is he as good as puopolo?
You are all dreaming if you think he is any good
Jayden Short. Paul Puopolo
20yo 16 games 23yo 133 games
Height 177. 72kg. Height 173. 78kg
Averages. Averages
Disposals 14.88 Disposals 14.71
Kicks 11.81 Kicks 7.41
Marks 3.38. Marks 2.41
Handballs 3.06 Handballs 7.81
Goals 0.38 Goals 0.98
If it's Puopolo we're comparing with he's tracking along quite nicely....
http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/J/Jayden_Short.html
http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/P/Paul_Puopolo.html
There is a stat you missed- 3x Premiership player. Makes all the other numbers sound pretty stupid.
There is your comparison right there you nuffer. So are you now man enough to admit you're in fact the idiot?
Just so it is clear to everyone my interpretation is as follows;
* Big Note didn't put up the initial comparison
* Big Note however did add to the initial comparison by adding another comparison factor ie premierships
* Big Note then went on to say because Puopolo was a premiership player x 3 that the other comparison factors where all stupid
To summarise Big Note has inferred by his posts that comparing Short and Puopolo is valid and the most material factor is premierships played.
If anyone else has a different interpretation of what has happened please advise.
My interpretation is you are an oxygen thief that is the "token" funny guy on this forum but the problem is your "jokes" are lame, which makes you the joke.
On the very rare occasions you decide to add something worth reading you follow it up with 10 stupid posts that only idiots like Yeahright think are funny. Half the forum recently commented when you actually had something worth reading. Surely that would make you think your "entertainment value" as the resident clown, has worn thin.
Yearight is an idiot but at least he contributes to this forum sometimes, and I do use the word "sometimes" loosely, but you Little Chunky have bored readers for far too long. I actually cringe when I see you have posted, which is a lot which makes me think other things about you but i won't go into as I wouldn't want to get personal.
Here's a tip, either get some decent material or try a new tacked because your boring dog sh27 jokes have gone on long enough.
I must admit though I'm looking forward to your side splitting reply as I'm sure most are.
Classic dad jokes coming to you from the one and only Little Chunky....again.....and again.... and again.... and again.... and again....
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Yeah agree Chuckster needs to find some new material.
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Hmm no tackling stats. Seeing as Puopolo plays almost exclusively the defensive forward role i would have thought stats that show applied pressure are important.
Have to ask how long ago was it that we had a player who lays over 100 tackles in a season. I cant think of one over the last three yrs.
Puopolo has managed to play in three premierships for a reason.
yeah, he was drafted to hawthorn.
If he had been drafted to a dozen or so of the other teams in the comp he wouldn't have won any premierships, and hawthorn would most probably still have won those three.
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Hmm no tackling stats. Seeing as Puopolo plays almost exclusively the defensive forward role i would have thought stats that show applied pressure are important.
Have to ask how long ago was it that we had a player who lays over 100 tackles in a season. I cant think of one over the last three yrs.
Puopolo has managed to play in three premierships for a reason.
But Claw, didn't you agree with Big Notes post about not comparing players? Come on, he hasn't been man enough to admit he's been wrong but surely you are?
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Hmm no tackling stats. Seeing as Puopolo plays almost exclusively the defensive forward role i would have thought stats that show applied pressure are important.
Have to ask how long ago was it that we had a player who lays over 100 tackles in a season. I cant think of one over the last three yrs.
Puopolo has managed to play in three premierships for a reason.
But Claw, didn't you agree with Big Notes post about not comparing players? Come on, he hasn't been man enough to admit he's been wrong but surely you are?
Did i thats news to me.
Only comment i made was i thought you got your arse kicked in what was another dumb stupid childish spat. It comes as no surprise because thats where most threads end up with a few around here.
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Hmm no tackling stats. Seeing as Puopolo plays almost exclusively the defensive forward role i would have thought stats that show applied pressure are important.
Have to ask how long ago was it that we had a player who lays over 100 tackles in a season. I cant think of one over the last three yrs.
Puopolo has managed to play in three premierships for a reason.
yeah, he was drafted to hawthorn.
If he had been drafted to a dozen or so of the other teams in the comp he wouldn't have won any premierships, and hawthorn would most probably still have won those three.
And Short would most probably have played in 3 flags had he been drafted.
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:lol
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Hmm no tackling stats. Seeing as Puopolo plays almost exclusively the defensive forward role i would have thought stats that show applied pressure are important.
Have to ask how long ago was it that we had a player who lays over 100 tackles in a season. I cant think of one over the last three yrs.
Puopolo has managed to play in three premierships for a reason.
yeah, he was drafted to hawthorn.
If he had been drafted to a dozen or so of the other teams in the comp he wouldn't have won any premierships, and hawthorn would most probably still have won those three.
And Short would most probably have played in 3 flags had he been drafted.
If Puapolo and Short both played at Hawthorn would they have won 6 flags?
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You just proved yourself to be the idiot I think you are. I didn't compare the two players. Go back and have a look and if you are any sort of a man you'll say you are an idiot and we can all move on with the conformation from the idiot that you are indeed an idiot. Congratulations :wallywink
Congrats and deserved :cheers short is next to jack as far as footy smarts go.....and his kicking :bow
Is he as good as puopolo?
You are all dreaming if you think he is any good
Jayden Short. Paul Puopolo
20yo 16 games 23yo 133 games
Height 177. 72kg. Height 173. 78kg
Averages. Averages
Disposals 14.88 Disposals 14.71
Kicks 11.81 Kicks 7.41
Marks 3.38. Marks 2.41
Handballs 3.06 Handballs 7.81
Goals 0.38 Goals 0.98
If it's Puopolo we're comparing with he's tracking along quite nicely....
http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/J/Jayden_Short.html
http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/P/Paul_Puopolo.html
There is a stat you missed- 3x Premiership player. Makes all the other numbers sound pretty stupid.
There is your comparison right there you nuffer. So are you now man enough to admit you're in fact the idiot?
Just so it is clear to everyone my interpretation is as follows;
* Big Note didn't put up the initial comparison
* Big Note however did add to the initial comparison by adding another comparison factor ie premierships
* Big Note then went on to say because Puopolo was a premiership player x 3 that the other comparison factors where all stupid
To summarise Big Note has inferred by his posts that comparing Short and Puopolo is valid and the most material factor is premierships played.
If anyone else has a different interpretation of what has happened please advise.
My interpretation is you are an oxygen thief that is the "token" funny guy on this forum but the problem is your "jokes" are lame, which makes you the joke.
On the very rare occasions you decide to add something worth reading you follow it up with 10 stupid posts that only idiots like Yeahright think are funny. Half the forum recently commented when you actually had something worth reading. Surely that would make you think your "entertainment value" as the resident clown, has worn thin.
Yearight is an idiot but at least he contributes to this forum sometimes, and I do use the word "sometimes" loosely, but you Little Chunky have bored readers for far too long. I actually cringe when I see you have posted, which is a lot which makes me think other things about you but i won't go into as I wouldn't want to get personal.
Here's a tip, either get some decent material or try a new tacked because your boring dog sh27 jokes have gone on long enough.
I must admit though I'm looking forward to your side splitting reply as I'm sure most are.
Classic dad jokes coming to you from the one and only Little Chunky....again.....and again.... and again.... and again.... and again....
So you are saying you don't disagree with how I interpreted the posts between you and YR, thanks for the confirmation :thumbsup
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By the way he reacted, I think he agrees with you. Hit a nerve I'd say and can only do that by telling the truth :lol
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I was surprised Short was brought into the side this week given he didn't play in the JLT series but he proved me wrong. He didn't miss a beat and his rebound run and long kicking off half-back was very important to our win tonight.
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Looks like an All-Australian compared to Hunt.
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Goes alright.
Still young.
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Did well. Commentary team praised Rance for stopping a near certain scoring shot (which he did help) but for me it was all down to Shorts defensive running covering 3 men
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The skilful, speedy, small defender picked up 18 disposals, including three rebound-50s, three inside-50s and took three marks.
Most significantly, Short had a game-high 634 metres gained – a key statistic which underlined his running power and long-kicking ability.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-04-02/short-sharp
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The skilful, speedy, small defender picked up 18 disposals, including three rebound-50s, three inside-50s and took three marks.
Most significantly, Short had a game-high 634 metres gained – a key statistic which underlined his running power and long-kicking ability.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-04-02/short-sharp
Compare the metres gained off HF to the BEllis of last year off HB.
Keep playing these young kids in Short, Markov, George, Rioli and Bulter and we could potentially found some very decent players for the next 10 years.
Just need to find a few young KPP to grow along with them.
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Thought Shorty's barrel at around the 3 mins to go mark in the last to Rioli was delicious, set up the sealer for Caddy. He is a very smart player and one of the better kicks in the side, straightens us up regularly with his pinpoint passing..
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yep and most pleasingly for mine, hes starting to get his hands dirty and doing a bit of the unfashionable stuff like defending, chasing, tackling and shepherding. Dont want him developing into another chris newman where the only thing hes worried about is being the release player and getting his 20-25 kicks a game
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Another really solid performance from the little man :clapping
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Overated.
Betts will maul him.
Betts is the one anybody needs to judge him or any smallish defender against.
Betts and Cameron will gave a field day.
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Overated.
Betts will maul him.
Betts is the one anybody needs to judge him or any smallish defender against.
Betts and Cameron will gave a field day.
Sorry but that's a bit over the top.
You are going to judge a young guy on his performance on one of the best small forwards of the last decade who plays in a strong team that gives him constant supply?
Give me a break.
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I agree - if , at the grand old age of 21, Short gets beaten by arguably the greatest small forward of the modern era who's toweled up pretty much every small defender out there at some point, then we can safely declare that he's overrated....
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Going alone nicely.
I'm loving the manic pressure especially the young guys.
George, Butler, Rioli, Short and Markov last night have made footy enjoyable to watch.
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Overated.
Betts will maul him.
Betts is the one anybody needs to judge him or any smallish defender against.
Betts and Cameron will gave a field day.
Sorry but that's a bit over the top.
You are going to judge a young guy on his performance on one of the best small forwards of the last decade who plays in a strong team that gives him constant supply?
Give me a break.
This is all ignoring the fact Grimes will most likely have first crack. Maybe even Rance (like last year)
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Overated.
Betts will maul him.
Betts is the one anybody needs to judge him or any smallish defender against.
Betts and Cameron will gave a field day.
Sorry but that's a bit over the top.
You are going to judge a young guy on his performance on one of the best small forwards of the last decade who plays in a strong team that gives him constant supply?
Give me a break.
This is all ignoring the fact Grimes will most likely have first crack. Maybe even Rance (like last year)
Just hope it isn't Steve Morris again, last time Betts pantsed him
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Did WP cut the Cheese?
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Like this kid, is a nice kick and looks very comfortable with ball in hand. Doesn't panic like some of his compatriots...
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Overated.
Betts will maul him.
Betts is the one anybody needs to judge him or any smallish defender against.
Betts and Cameron will gave a field day.
What do you think his role is?
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Best wy to stop little Eddie is break his leg but that won't happen.
We're stuffed.
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Short is 3rd best in the AFL for metres per disposal.
Metres per disposal
29.2: Nathan Wilson (GWS)
26.4: Lance Franklin (Syd)
25.3: Jayden Short (Rich)
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-06-20/the-stats-files-fireworks-season-delivers-again
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I've been very impressed. Has exceeded my expectations.
I like the way he's not chicken.
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Jayden is another lesser like in decent form. Thought he became more and more important as the game went along tonight. Finding a rookie pick who kicks at 90% efficiency is a good get. The goal was bonus.
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Jayden is another lesser like in decent form. Thought he became more and more important as the game went along tonight. Finding a rookie pick who kicks at 90% efficiency is a good get. The goal was bonus.
Spot on. Great to see we can draft someone as a rookie and they can go out and play a role within our system. What we've been missing from our lower round picks and rookies. His foot skills are a real asset obviously but I reckon he's getting better defensively every week as well.
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If he keeps working on his defensive skills will develop into a very good player. His release from the backline, kicking and pace are already very good. Awareness in traffic has improved a lot. Well done to the kid
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His kicking is a real asset. Good game. Well done to him.
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Was excellent fir the most part though the options he chose on some of the kick-ins were questionable to say the least....
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He is gonna be a beauty this kid..
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Always liked Short
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Seriously how good was that left foot 60m goal to win the game?...best kick playing the game since Akermanis.
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Seriously how good was that left foot 60m goal to win the game?...best kick playing the game since Akermanis.
Woah masssive call !!
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Seriously how good was that left foot 60m goal to win the game?...best kick playing the game since Akermanis.
Woah masssive call !!
It is but he hits so many targets. He is a right foot kick but kicks better on his left - similar to Aka. When he has the ball in hands you know something good will come of it. This thing i like most about his kicking is his raw power...his timing is exquisite.
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He's a great kick and he practices so hard on that skill. Better than Acker? Bit early to be going g the crow on that one
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Shorty was one of our best tonight. Clearly wants to be in the best 22.
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His speed and field kicking is sensational
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Was good. Better than most down there
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Like Shorty.
Credit where it’s due, Conca was decent too.
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Short was good.
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Short was good.
Yes he was :thumbsup
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Got a fair bit of pace!
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Short yesterday took six marks and had five rebound-50s plus 500 metres gained.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-04-09/tiger-backs-stand-tall
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1 tackle :clapping
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1 tackle :clapping
Not sure why you don't rate him as a young attaching defender. He does need to work on his defending but its not horrendous and his attaching nature is built for the game. Best kick in the squad also :cheers
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1 tackle :clapping
Not sure why you don't rate him as a young attaching defender. He does need to work on his defending but its not horrendous and his attaching nature is built for the game. Best kick in the squad also :cheers
Beautiful kick , rate him highly as an attacking player and see him as Houli's long term replacement but IMO he is atm, one of the reasons our defensive pressure has been down so far this year and why we're conceding higher scores.
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Rioli is the reason our defensive pressure is down.
He is like having 3 defensive forwards at once....
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Rioli's absence is probably the main reason, however it's not the sole reason.
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1 tackle :clapping
Not sure why you don't rate him as a young attaching defender. He does need to work on his defending but its not horrendous and his attaching nature is built for the game. Best kick in the squad also :cheers
geez I dunno, after seeing Noah Balta on Saturday I am not so sure
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I reckon we're conceding higher scores in part because there's no rain about.
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I’m a fan of Shorty. Very clean with the ground ball and takes the game on.
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Has great vision, options may look a plenty from up in the stands but at ground level under pressure and still find a target or run into space to open up play that's a talent.
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Totally agree been in our best last 3 games stays in.
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:shh
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Excellent last night...if he could combine that with his defensive effort v Adelaide he'd be indispensable.....:shh
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His ability to scoop the ball off the ground at speed is as good as I’ve ever seen. Does it every week.
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Elite with both feet and has pace. Gun.
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Loved his game but wish he was better tackling, he may want to start by making one
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Loved his game but wish he was better tackling, he may want to start by making one
Can't criticise technique till you see it though.
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Loved his game but wish he was better tackling, he may want to start by making one
Can't criticise technique till you see it though.
Good point
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Loved his game but wish he was better tackling, he may want to start by making one
He did actually make one..... :shh
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Loved his game but wish he was better tackling, he may want to start by making one
He did actually make one..... :shh
:shh
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Loved his game but wish he was better tackling, he may want to start by making one
He did actually make one..... :shh
Well he is in front of Hampson then, just has to move up from there
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Loved his game but wish he was better tackling, he may want to start by making one
He did actually make one..... :shh
Well he is in front of Hampson then, just has to move up from there
if you went to training you'd know Hammer is a good tackler
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Love what he brings to the side. Pace and kicking is elite and is becoming stronger at defending as each week passes. Love him :thumbsup
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Is looking sharp and playing some good footy.
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Is looking sharp and playing some good footy.
Backed it up again today. Short has displaced Ellis from the side.
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Really impressive game. Disposal really good under pressure.
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His kicking is elite, have always thought that
And he is one of the few in our side who can actually kick on either foot effectively
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Saved our bacon on a few occasions yesterday.
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Was a bit stiff not to play more games last year but that's the beauty of being the best team in the league. See Bellis & Towner being the first premiership heroes to be told there would not be a spot for them barring injuries :shh
A great problem to have.
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One of my favourites at the minute.
I like the backline better with him rather than Ellis for sure.
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Shorty or poos his pants Ellis. There really is no comparison. Fmd one takes the game on runs lines uses the ball well and is not scared to take on a kick. The other well hes slowly being shown up for what he is.
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Shorty or poos his pants Ellis. There really is no comparison. Fmd one takes the game on runs lines uses the ball well and is not scared to take on a kick. The other well hes slowly being shown up for what he is.
I like both lads. One is a premiership player. Hopefully one will be a 2-time premiership player by the end of the season with the other playing in his first flag :shh
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Tiger spurred on by missing out last year
By Daniel Cherny
The Age
5 May 2018 — 12:00pm
Richmond defender Jayden Short says he is spurred on by missing the Tigers’ premiership triumph last year and is “working his arse off” so not to miss out this year as the club chases back-to-back flags.
Short, 22, played 16 games last year but none after round 18 and was an emergency on grand final day as Richmond crushed Adelaide to deliver a first premiership in 37 years.
However the backman has played all six games so far in 2018 and is establishing himself as a reliable AFL player, even earning an AFL Coaches’ Association vote for his 20 disposals, and eight rebound-50s against Collingwood last Sunday.
Short said he was determined to keep his spot in the team.
“It does spur me on a little bit,” Short told Fairfax Media.
“But the other 22 got to play. I don’t want to miss out this year. I’m trying to work my arse off and stay in the team as long as I can and do the best I can for the team.”
He acknowledged that competition for spots was fierce at Punt Road, with premiership heroes Brandon Ellis and Jacob Townsend among those to lose their senior positions in recent weeks.
“I’m going all right. We’ve got a pretty healthy list,” Short said.
“There’s some blokes [in the VFL] who could be playing 100 per cent in this team. We need to perform each week and put your best foot forward to stay in the team. There’s definitely other blokes pushing for their spots as well.
“I think we’re always improving. Last year was just a stepping stone for us. We started what we wanted to start there and we’re trying to improve this year. Last year’s not the end of us. I think we’re getting better.
“It’s an awesome spot to be in for a club.”
Richmond’s outstanding forward pressure has been a key feature of their rise to the top, and Short was full of praise for his side’s array of small forwards.
“To be able to put that pressure on [opposition] backs, it gives us backs an opportunity as well. Their relentless pressure all day. Their care for each other is just amazing.”
Short is also earning a reputation as one of his side's most penetrating kicks. He says his talent was honed at home.
“Dad made me kick all the time. I was never a handballer.”
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/tiger-spurred-on-by-missing-out-last-year-20180503-p4zd9e.html
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A Short story of a self-taught Tiger
Jennifer Phelan
afl.com.au
May 6, 2018 11:30AM
THE SUBLIME kicking skills of Richmond defender Jayden Short have been 17 years in the making.
The sight of five-year-old Short and his father Greg kicking a football back and forth in the front garden of a house in the north-eastern suburbs of Melbourne was something their neighbours often saw.
Short wasn't a fan of video games and didn't even really like being inside. If he wasn't kicking a ball outside their Mill Park home, he was brandishing a cricket bat.
TIGERS V DOCKERS PREVIEW: Remember how this finished last year?
It's this early devotion Short believes is responsible for the fact he's ranked 30th in the competition and second at the Tigers for kicking efficiency, which translates to 75.3 per cent.
It's also probably why one of his assistant coaches believes he has skills comparable to that of Brownlow medallist Jason Akermanis.
"Kicking is something you do every day, but I think it spurs back to when my dad had me in the front yard kicking left and right foot every day," Short told AFL.com.au this week.
"I'd do one left, one right, for hours on end until dinner was ready.
"It's all I wanted to do."
The former rookie is one of the Tigers' most improved this season.
He's played every game after a quiet performance in round 18 last year against Greater Western Sydney coincided with the return of fellow defender Bachar Houli from suspension.
He rode in the Grand Final parade as an emergency and watched the game from the stands, and then after recovering from a post-season shoulder reconstruction, set about making sure that doesn't happen again if the Tigers repeat their 2017 heroics.
Since then, he's found himself a home in the back six to the point where he's been picked before premiership players Nathan Broad and now Brandon Ellis so far this season.
His enthusiasm and vibrancy only complements the penetrating kick that has made him second to only Dustin Martin for metres gained at Richmond in six rounds.
He's also become a popular teammate in the space of three years.
"He brings a lot to the group apart from his amazing footy ability," forwards coach Justin Leppitsch said.
"I don't know a person who would say a bad word about him, to be perfectly honest."
Jayden Short is a popular clubman at Tigerland. Picture: AFL Photos
Short has won more of his own ball this season. His contested possession average has risen by three per game, and nearly 32 per cent of those have been won from a contest (compared to 18 per cent last year).
It was an area he knew he needed to improve in. In 2017, he won the fewest contested possessions of any backman to play at least 10 games.
"As a defender, I lock down on my man, but it's also about getting the ball in my own hands and not relying on others to get it for me," Short said.
"It's something I had to work on, trying to find it and get it as much as I can."
Short started at Richmond as a small forward, played in defence last year, and spent this pre-season with the midfielders.
But he loves the backline, and with his natural composure and sharp feet, it's a role that clearly loves him.
"I just try to make the most of my skills. I just don't want to kick the ball anywhere I don't want it to go," he said.
"I hate turning the ball over from the backline, it's the last thing you want to do as a backman."
Short finished high school and then worked as a carpenter for a year before he was rookied by the Tigers at the end of 2014.
He believes he'd still be doing that – and eating sausage rolls for lunch as part of the "tradie diet" - had he not got his AFL chance.
His 38 games are a meagre sample compared to Akermanis' 325, but Leppitsch can't help but be reminded of his fellow premiership Lion when he watches Short play.
"It might be a bit of a stretch because he's still got a long way to go, but he reminds me a little bit of him with the way he glides over the ground and can kick with his left and right foot," Leppitsch said.
"He's so clean at ground level, they've sort of got the same skill set. Now, they're not the same players, but he has as similar speed traits off the mark and ability with the ball as Aker that I've seen.
"I know it's a pretty big wrap, but he's got those skills so hopefully he can turn into half as good a player as Aker was."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-06/tigers-selftaught-talent-is-a-short-story
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Rising Tiger Short in for the long haul
Jennifer Phelan
afl.com.au
May 7, 2018
RICHMOND'S Jayden Short is the latest soon-to-be out of contract Tiger yet to open talks with the premiers, but the defender has no desire to be anywhere else after an impressive start to the season.
Short, 22, inked his last contract in October 2016 when he was officially elevated off the rookie list.
He played 16 games last year but didn't get back into the side after being dropped for round 19 and was an emergency for the Tigers' Grand Final win over Adelaide.
That omission pushed Short to take his game to another level over the summer, and he's already shown improvements with his contested work and intercepting so far this season.
"There is a bit of a drive in me to not want to lose my spot in that situation again," Short told AFL.com.au this week.
"It was hard to miss out last year, but that happens in the sport we play.
"I just wanted to make sure if that does happen, if we're there again or I find myself in that position, I've done the best I can and played as well as I could."
Short has played every game this year and has become an important part of the Tigers' backline with his foot skills and penetration on both sides.
The popular former carpenter isn't losing sleep over the fact official negotiations between his management and the club haven't begun.
"I haven't really thought about it, to be honest," he said.
"I'm just trying to hold my spot and play some good footy and I think the rest will work itself out.
"It's a great club and all us boys are getting along.
"It's like a brotherhood; we love each other and want to spend as much time as we can together."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-07/rising-tiger-short-in-for-the-long-haul#/
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How good is this kid!
His kicking is a real weapon but every week he plays he is getting more confident.
The find of the year to date IMO.
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Totally agree. Does not panic either under pressure.
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One of the very few in the team that is a true dual sided player. :clapping
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Totally agree. Does not panic either under pressure.
Yeah, he is pretty cool in the way he goes about it. Rock solid.
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Sam Mitchell like laser beam kicks except unlike Mitchell can roost a ball >50m
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Short is in the top 10 most improved players in the AFL according to Champion Data.
Source: Glenn Luff on SEN.
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Our next Norm Smith medalist.... :shh
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Our next Norm Smith medalist.... :shh
If he continues like this he could well be :cheers
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Playing beautiful, composed footy ATM
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Playing beautiful, composed footy ATM
With a harder edge :thumbsup Really happy to see shorty lifting his game, his defensive side has improved a lot and I love the way hes one grabbing it and taking off creating space and run. Big improver
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Shorty would be in the running for a top 5 spot in our B&F so far this year. Another good game tonight.
28 disposals (22k, 6h ; 6c, 20u) @ 71.4%
6 marks
9 rebound 50s
3 inside 50s
2 tackles
1 centre clearance.
http://www.afl.com.au/match-centre/2018/11/ess-v-rich
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Just watching the replay again, watch the grab about 2 minutes into the game on our half forwardline. That’s as good as you will see under pressure.
This kid is a star.
Really happy for him..... and us!
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Playing really solid footy at the moment.
Wrapped for the boy.
Go Tiges!
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Short, playing just his 43rd senior game for the Tigers, in last Saturday night’s ‘Dreamtime at the G’ encounter, had an AFL career-high 28 disposals, including a game-high nine rebound-50s, and a highly-impressive 659 metres gained.
The 22-year-old is averaging 19.2 disposals, 4.4 rebound-50s, 4.0 marks and 458.3 metres gained per match this season.
He is ranked fifth in the competition for metres gained.
Full article: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-06-04/short-stands-tall
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Still has a long way to go, media and commentators have created a massive love fest around this bloke that is completely over the top. Short is an ok player that is trying his guts out but still turns the ball over way to often than he should, especially for the roll we want him to play, he has good qualities in as much as his penetration and can kick both sides of the body. I'm not sold on him yet, needs more time, not sure he's comfortable at the level just yet.
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Did claw hack your account?
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Still has a long way to go, media and commentators have created a massive love fest around this bloke that is completely over the top. Short is an ok player that is trying his guts out but still turns the ball over way to often than he should, especially for the roll we want him to play, he has good qualities in as much as his penetration and can kick both sides of the body. I'm not sold on him yet, needs more time, not sure he's comfortable at the level just yet.
Sorreeey, where is he lacking? Is McIntosh better than him? Is Conca better than him?
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Still has a long way to go, media and commentators have created a massive love fest around this bloke that is completely over the top. Short is an ok player that is trying his guts out but still turns the ball over way to often than he should, especially for the roll we want him to play, he has good qualities in as much as his penetration and can kick both sides of the body. I'm not sold on him yet, needs more time, not sure he's comfortable at the level just yet.
What?
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Still has a long way to go, media and commentators have created a massive love fest around this bloke that is completely over the top. Short is an ok player that is trying his guts out but still turns the ball over way to often than he should, especially for the roll we want him to play, he has good qualities in as much as his penetration and can kick both sides of the body. I'm not sold on him yet, needs more time, not sure he's comfortable at the level just yet.
:huh3
His disposal efficiency for the season is around 70-75%
Better rate than our captain and the currnet brownlow medallist
His kicking is elite, would go as far as to say he is the best kick in our side
Yes, he's sometimes turns it over but not as much as so many others
He has improved out of sight this season
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Love Shorty, he's a gun
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Did claw hack your account?
:lol
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Still has a long way to go, media and commentators have created a massive love fest around this bloke that is completely over the top. Short is an ok player that is trying his guts out but still turns the ball over way to often than he should, especially for the roll we want him to play, he has good qualities in as much as his penetration and can kick both sides of the body. I'm not sold on him yet, needs more time, not sure he's comfortable at the level just yet.
Next time you go to a game, watch the way they set up and release him. He's sort of like the QB of the backline (I know how much OER loves an american sports analogy :thumbsup), which is that the tall defenders feed it off to him for a long, penetrating kick. Many times on Saturday night Essendon had set up their zone defence. Many times we flipped it to Shorty and he just kicked straight over the top of it.
Gun!
Short >> Houli
Short > Conca
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Still has a long way to go, media and commentators have created a massive love fest around this bloke that is completely over the top. Short is an ok player that is trying his guts out but still turns the ball over way to often than he should, especially for the roll we want him to play, he has good qualities in as much as his penetration and can kick both sides of the body. I'm not sold on him yet, needs more time, not sure he's comfortable at the level just yet.
Winding us all up surely
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I am amazed to read that Short has played 43 games for us.
I'd have thought 20-25.
Obviously not paying attention.
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Still has a long way to go, media and commentators have created a massive love fest around this bloke that is completely over the top. Short is an ok player that is trying his guts out but still turns the ball over way to often than he should, especially for the roll we want him to play, he has good qualities in as much as his penetration and can kick both sides of the body. I'm not sold on him yet, needs more time, not sure he's comfortable at the level just yet.
:huh3
His disposal efficiency for the season is around 70-75%
Better rate than our captain and the currnet brownlow medallist
His kicking is elite, would go as far as to say he is the best kick in our side
Yes, he's sometimes turns it over but not as much as so many others
He has improved out of sight this season
His DE is 77% for the year, as the season has progressed his absorbed more and more pressure before releasing the ball by either foot which is giving us more metres and taking the opposition away from the next possession. His left foot kicking under pressure is first class
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Still has a long way to go, media and commentators have created a massive love fest around this bloke that is completely over the top. Short is an ok player that is trying his guts out but still turns the ball over way to often than he should, especially for the roll we want him to play, he has good qualities in as much as his penetration and can kick both sides of the body. I'm not sold on him yet, needs more time, not sure he's comfortable at the level just yet.
:huh3
His disposal efficiency for the season is around 70-75%
Better rate than our captain and the currnet brownlow medallist
His kicking is elite, would go as far as to say he is the best kick in our side
Yes, he's sometimes turns it over but not as much as so many others
He has improved out of sight this season
In fairness think out of our top 10 in disposal efficiency 8 of them are backmen so safe to say it’s a positional thing. However I don’t see how you could have watched his season so far and claimed he turns it over too much, if u look at total clangers in our team think you’ll find his at the bottom end which is pretty impressive considering he kicks it long distances majority of the time. Towards the end of last year was definitely turning it over too much and rightfully lost his spot because of it. Improved immensely this year and am loving his drive out of the backline.
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Still has a long way to go, media and commentators have created a massive love fest around this bloke that is completely over the top. Short is an ok player that is trying his guts out but still turns the ball over way to often than he should, especially for the roll we want him to play, he has good qualities in as much as his penetration and can kick both sides of the body. I'm not sold on him yet, needs more time, not sure he's comfortable at the level just yet.
Using your benchmark Houli should have been dropped to the twos years ago.
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You tend to have a few turnovers when you're one of the main blokes in the side who runs off, breaks the lines & tries to hit some really difficult kicks. More often than not he pulls it off. His defensive work has been really good. Kid has balls too.
Was stumped as to why he fell out of favour so badly last year. I can't see him losing his spot in this side anytime soon.
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Still has a long way to go, media and commentators have created a massive love fest around this bloke that is completely over the top. Short is an ok player that is trying his guts out but still turns the ball over way to often than he should, especially for the roll we want him to play, he has good qualities in as much as his penetration and can kick both sides of the body. I'm not sold on him yet, needs more time, not sure he's comfortable at the level just yet.
Next time you go to a game, watch the way they set up and release him. He's sort of like the QB of the backline (I know how much OER loves an american sports analogy :thumbsup), which is that the tall defenders feed it off to him for a long, penetrating kick. Many times on Saturday night Essendon had set up their zone defence. Many times we flipped it to Shorty and he just kicked straight over the top of it.
Gun!
Short >> Houli
Short > Conca
Houli almost won the Norm Smith in a Grand Final. Lets give him the respect he deserves and leave him out of futile comparisons. He deserves some status after that effort.
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Fair call
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‘There is one guy that no one talks about’: Jayden Short has become Richmond’s secret weapon
June 5, 2018
Josh Gabelich
FOX SPORTS
THERE is one player at Punt Road who is flying under the radar right now. He looked on from the stands when Richmond ended a 37-year premiership drought last year, but he hasn’t been out of Damien Hardwick’s side since.
His name is Jayden Short and he is the most improved player on the Tigers’ list behind midfielder-turned-forward Josh Caddy.
While the big four — Alex Rance, Dustin Martin, Jack Riewoldt and Trent Cotchin — attract the lion share of attention, and with good reason, Short’s form is starting to generate plenty of interest.
The 22-year-old produced the best performance of his short career in Saturday night’s Dreamtime game at the MCG, amassing a career-high 28 disposals, including 22 kicks, nine rebound 50s and a whopping 659 metres gained.
What Short does as well as any Tiger is gain territory and hit targets. And in the modern game, it doesn’t get much more important than that.
“There is one guy there that no one talks about. He is only a 22-year-old and he has only played 43 games of football — Jayden Short,” dual North Melbourne premiership player David King said on SEN on Monday.
“Off the half-back flank, he is the No. 1 metres gained player at Richmond and he is top five in the AFL. He is a beauty.
“He is a kicker and they don’t have a lot of kickers in this team — their handball game is what gets them where they want to go.
“He is an impactful player. Dustin Martin has had 160-odd kicks this year; Short has had six less kicks than him.”
While opposition sides have plenty of headaches when they face the reigning premiers, King believes they must now stop the young gun who has become a quarterback for the Tigers.
“I think there has now come a time that teams have to put some time into Jayden Short — that sounds ridiculous when you’ve got other players there off that half-back flank,” he said.
“If you can get two damaging half-backs — Houli and a Short — at the pointy end of the season, I’m nearly looking at tagging Short instead of [Bachar] Houli.
“He is a damaging player and the Richmond supporters love him.
“What Damien [Hardwick] has been able to do with him to get him into this team and reap the rewards with him; I think we are only just seeing the fruits.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/there-is-one-guy-that-no-one-talks-about-jayden-short-has-become-richmonds-secret-weapon/news-story/1942c39acb61f775218ce42feb43ea13
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They don't have much kickers in our side please.
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Houli almost won the Norm Smith in a Grand Final. Lets give him the respect he deserves and leave him out of futile comparisons. He deserves some status after that effort.
I take your point regarding respect. I do respect and admire Houli for what he did in the grand final, especially as someone who had never seen Richmond perform in a GF, let alone win one.
But futile comparisons? I'd say they are extremely relevant comparisons. Houli is not just a walk-up start, nor any other player on our list. Short more-or-less plays his position, why shouldn't I compare? There's about 30 blokes on our list that are pushing regularly for 22 spots. At this stage of this season, from what I've seen, Short is performing far better than Houli (which is not to say Houli has been underperforming). That's how I see it. If you disagree with that assessment, well fair enough. But I'm gunna continue to make them; and no players are exempt. Even premiership heros.
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Houli almost won the Norm Smith in a Grand Final. Lets give him the respect he deserves and leave him out of futile comparisons. He deserves some status after that effort.
I take your point regarding respect. I do respect and admire Houli for what he did in the grand final, especially as someone who had never seen Richmond perform in a GF, let alone win one.
But futile comparisons? I'd say they are extremely relevant comparisons. Houli is not just a walk-up start, nor any other player on our list. Short more-or-less plays his position, why shouldn't I compare? There's about 30 blokes on our list that are pushing regularly for 22 spots. At this stage of this season, from what I've seen, Short is performing far better than Houli (which is not to say Houli has been underperforming). That's how I see it. If you disagree with that assessment, well fair enough. But I'm gunna continue to make them; and no players are exempt. Even premiership heros.
Comparisons are one thing but Short better than Houli? Really? Sounds like the old Houli bashing we've been hearing for years. The guy is a gun and killed it in the G.F. Why can't people let it go.
We all like what Short is doing but Houli would get picked every day of the week in front of him because he has runs on the board, performs consistently at a high level and is a wonderfull club man. Hope when he retires, our supporters see it that way
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A comparison IS saying Short is better than Houli???
Its not potting Houli, its a comparison.
The guy is a solid contributor and did perform well in the GF, at no point is that being disputed.
Let what go?
When Houli retires the fan base, including those on OER will respect and admire him.
Your points are nonsensical and irrational. Jog on.....
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Good to have them both for us.My worry with Houli is injury now seems to be happening alot.
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A comparison IS saying Short is better than Houli???
Its not potting Houli, its a comparison.
The guy is a solid contributor and did perform well in the GF, at no point is that being disputed.
Let what go?
When Houli retires the fan base, including those on OER will respect and admire him.
Your points are nonsensical and irrational. Jog on.....
Irrational and nonsensical?? Well I'll clarify my comments then.
Houli is better than Short and anyone who is prepared to say otherwise after Shorty has played only 6 very good games, is caught up in hysteria or severely underrates Houli. Sounds like your'e in the second camp so lets agree to disagree
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Stop arguing.
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Stop arguing.
:shh
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A comparison IS saying Short is better than Houli???
Its not potting Houli, its a comparison.
The guy is a solid contributor and did perform well in the GF, at no point is that being disputed.
Let what go?
When Houli retires the fan base, including those on OER will respect and admire him.
Your points are nonsensical and irrational. Jog on.....
Irrational and nonsensical?? Well I'll clarify my comments then.
Houli is better than Short and anyone who is prepared to say otherwise after Shorty has played only 6 very good games, is caught up in hysteria or severely underrates Houli. Sounds like your'e in the second camp so lets agree to disagree
Short is better than Houli at the same stage in their careers.
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A comparison IS saying Short is better than Houli???
Its not potting Houli, its a comparison.
The guy is a solid contributor and did perform well in the GF, at no point is that being disputed.
Let what go?
When Houli retires the fan base, including those on OER will respect and admire him.
Your points are nonsensical and irrational. Jog on.....
Irrational and nonsensical?? Well I'll clarify my comments then.
Houli is better than Short and anyone who is prepared to say otherwise after Shorty has played only 6 very good games, is caught up in hysteria or severely underrates Houli. Sounds like your'e in the second camp so lets agree to disagree
Short is better than Houli at the same stage in their careers.
Short is a beauty. No argument with you there. Hope he goes on to be a champion of the club as Houli is.
Once you win a Premiership, your status is rightly elevated. If you happen to be almost best on ground and help us add another cup to the cabinet, you probably get my eternal worship.
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Ellis :clapping
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Jayden Short is a humble and hungry Tiger
By Peter Ryan
The Age
6 June 2018 — 5:03pmp
Jayden Short knows there is no room for complacency as he attempts to cement his spot in a Tigers' line-up looking to go back to back.
Last season, the 22-year-old defender played the first 16 games but lost form at the wrong time and was out of the side as Richmond charged to their first premiership for 37 years.
Short has not missed a game this season and was among the Tigers' best in the Dreamtime at the 'G, helping set up the win with eight touches off half-back in a blistering opening term.
Not only does Short defend well but he has great balance on both sides of his body and a good leap that makes him play taller than his 178 centimetres might suggest.
And he shows no signs of disappointment at being on the fringe at the end of last season, bouncing back hard.
"I am loving my footy and they're just a great bunch of blokes to play with. We all love each other and it is awesome to be around," Short told Fairfax Media.
Hardwick conceded that Short was one of the unlucky tales of last season, named as an emergency for the grand final, but he has not put a foot wrong this year and the coach thinks Short is one of the most-improved players in the competition.
"The hard thing about our game is he [Short] plays 16 games last year and Jack Graham plays five. Jack Graham gets a medal, Jayden Short doesn't. Ask me which one I value more, I value them the same," Hardwick said.
"He is one of the most improved players in the competition in my opinion and he will continue to get better again."
Short understands he has areas to work on as he pushes towards 50 games so he doesn't have time to put his head up and look into the distance.
"I don't put too much pressure on myself. I'm just backing myself and playing to my strengths. I want to play AFL football so I want to stay in the team. I will try to do the best I can to stay in the team," Short said.
That battle for spots is only going to intensify as the finals close in with five players who did not play in last year's flag in the team against Essendon last weekend.
Bachar Houli, Dion Prestia, Daniel Rioli, Jacob Townsend and Jason Castagna are all prospects to return when ready.
If that selection pressure isn't enough to keep the players grounded, Hardwick says their love of winning is so strong he doesn't have to work too hard to keep the team on track.
"They're very humble and they're very hungry," Hardwick said.
"I don't need to prod these guys that much."
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/jayden-short-is-a-humble-and-hungry-tiger-20180603-p4zj5i.html
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According to Ralph Malph on AFL Tonight, is holding off on re-signing...not happy with our current offer....same goes for Callum Moore.... :shh
I rate Moore but getting a bit ahead of himself if true....however it would be a real a shame if we let Short leave.... dual sided players with pace and good decision making don't exactly grow on trees..... :shh :shh
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Where do we rate him in our 22 and how much is he worth?
I put him around 11 so would have to be on @ 390?
Thoughts
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According to Ralph Malph on AFL Tonight, is holding off on re-signing...not happy with our current offer....same goes for Callum Moore.... :shh
I rate Moore but getting a bit ahead of himself if true....however it would be a real a shame if we let Short leave.... dual sided players with pace and good decision making don't exactly grow on trees..... :shh :shh
Unless Short says it himself would not pay too much weigh to what is being attributed to the delay in him resigning.
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He is essential in our back 6 for me and the fact he can kick laser beams on both sides he is more important to the team than Houli in my opinion.
Not sure where I would rank him considering he's not comparable to the midfield or flea amigos etc but he is starting 18 for me.
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Shorty is an important player for us, no doubt about it.
The issue for him resigning is going to be though, that he will be worth a lot more to another club than what we can pay him.
I could see a club like GC making a big play for him.
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Loves the Club...will sign :shh
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He is a must keep 100%
Pay the kid what is deserves and sacrifice a Conca, Ellis type or simply retire Grigg.
Surely they can see this kid is a 10 year player.
Moore on the other hand...
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According to Ralph Malph on AFL Tonight, is holding off on re-signing...not happy with our current offer....same goes for Callum Moore.... :shh
The Tiger who won’t be short changed
Money matters: RICHMOND’S salary cap squeeze to find room to accommodate Tom Lynch means the club still has around half its list out of contract. But after a below-par offer one Tiger is backing himself in.
[Paywall:] https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/jayden-short-pressing-claims-for-beefedup-contract-offer-as-tigers-continue-hunt-for-tom-lynch/news-story/5d19a1474756351d26a7fa6d853fb216
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Sacrifice Bellis :lol :lol :lol
NFI some of these blokes. We can quite easily fit Short in on a contract he deserves
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He is a must keep 100%
Pay the kid what is deserves and sacrifice a Conca, Ellis type or simply retire Grigg.
Surely they can see this kid is a 10 year player.
Moore on the other hand...
This sort of situation highlights why there are some very tough calls to be made on couple of "older" blokes eg Houli & Grigg and some younger guys on the fringe
IMV if it comes down to Short over Grigg; then it's Short easily ... more upside long term
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For sure
I thought big Grigga made a step in the right direction on Sunday though. If he can stay in decent touch, surely it's worth keeping him on a well reduced contract if he's keen to go around again? But yeah, if it came down to Grigg v Short in terms of who we can fit in then it's Shorty all the way.
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Sacrifice Bellis
Agree. :shh
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What $ would grigg be on?
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What $ would grigg be on?
Much more than Short.
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Lyon’s advice to Tigers’ Short and Bolton
By SEN
19 June 2018
Former Melbourne captain Garry Lyon believes Jayden Short should stay at Richmond, despite rejecting a contract offer.
The Herald Sun has reported Short has held off contract negotiations in a ploy to prove he deserves more money.
However, Lyon believes the 22-year-old defender should pledge his commitment to the reigning premiers.
“Stay and build and work your way into what might be a dynasty,” he told SEN Breakfast.
“It’s easy to say because we aren’t in that position, but I’d be inclined to stay.
“If I’m in the senior team and they’re playing the footy they’re playing and the prospects ahead are what we think they are, I’m staying.”
The story is different for Shai Bolton, though, who has placed contract talks on hold until the end of the season.
“Shai Bolton, on the other hand, is a player we have all seen enough of to suggest he would be playing in most teams,” Lyon said.
The Melbourne team of the century member is of the notion the speculation surrounding multiple Tigers is a by-product of success.
“With a side that is performing so beautifully, with some of the biggest names in football, we know they have to pay the franchise bucks for Dustin Martin,” Lyon said.
“You would think there is going to be a squeeze.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/06/18/lyon's-advice-to-tigers'-short-and-bolton/
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I believe Grigg should not be offered another contract after this year and would offer Houli 1 year. We need to retain talent beyond the next year or so as they are our future. Grigg and Houli are Premiership players and solid (most times) soldiers but not players i believe we should play into their early 30's...just my take.
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I believe Grigg should not be offered another contract after this year and would offer Houli 1 year. We need to retain talent beyond the next year or so as they are our future. Grigg and Houli are Premiership players and solid (most times) soldiers but not players i believe we should play into their early 30's...just my take.
I tend to agree with you here. Particularly with Houli
As we've seen with other players from other clubs such as Burgoyne they are offered 1 year contracts year after year and it keeps them motivated. And even he said on radio once that its good to stay hungry to keep your spot.
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Would be extremely short-sighted (no pun intended) to let emerging talent go while hanging onto the likes of Grigg , giving multiple years to Houli or waiting for an injury-prone dud like Conca to not be shyte... :shh
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I believe Grigg should not be offered another contract after this year and would offer Houli 1 year. We need to retain talent beyond the next year or so as they are our future. Grigg and Houli are Premiership players and solid (most times) soldiers but not players i believe we should play into their early 30's...just my take.
Agree
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What do you think is a fair deal for Short?
I love the kid and think the $250k/$275k mark is about right.
Thoughts?
2 year deal on that and re-visit then.
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What do you think is a fair deal for Short?
I love the kid and think the $250k/$275k mark is about right.
Thoughts?
2 year deal on that and re-visit then.
Closer to 400 than 250 for mine.
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Sacrifice Bellis
Agree. :shh
x2
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Who is Short's manager?
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Anthony McConville
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Sacrifice Bellis
Agree. :shh
x2
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Would be extremely short-sighted (no pun intended) to let emerging talent go while hanging onto the likes of Grigg , giving multiple years to Houli or waiting for an injury-prone dud like Conca to not be shyte... :shh
Agree. Grigg would get a few years at GC no doubt.’
Send him there with Conca. Problem solved
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Question if a club put a first rounder for him 8 to 18 would you consider it not advocating for it just consideration.
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Nope
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Pay Shorty decent money to keep him.
Move Grigg on.
Offer Houli a 1 year deal on reduced coin.
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Pay Shorty decent money to keep him.
Move Grigg on.
Offer Houli a 1 year deal on reduced coin.
Funny stuff all this talk.
Houli was arguably the best player in a GF win and half a season later he's surplus.
Some Richmond fans really do get bored when we keep winning.
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Pay Shorty decent money to keep him.
Move Grigg on.
Offer Houli a 1 year deal on reduced coin.
Funny stuff all this talk.
Houli was arguably the best player in a GF win and half a season later he's surplus.
Some Richmond fans really do get bored when we keep winning.
Righhtio then. How long do you suggest we offer him?
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The way I look at it is that at the same stage in his career, Houli was nowhere near as good as Short. So pay Short an amount both he and the club are happy with and if that means they pinch a bit from Houli and Grigg to do it, so be it. We can't afford to lose long term players with Short's talent.
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Year by year like every other club does.
Still funny though.
We're on top in both AFL and VFL. Oh the horror.
We have no debt but the highest membership, attendance and viewership. What are we to do?
A tall key forward has serious health concerns and he retires early for a better option. Huge problem.
Our lone back-up ruck is still injured and can only be released to be replaced by multiple junior alternatives. What a crisis.
We only have two Brownlow medallists in our midfield. We're so shorthanded with only the best couple of midfielders in the VFL as a back stop. Real concerns.
We only have the best crew of small forwards in the competition with only three or four of the best in the VFL unable to get a game. Where's our strike power to come from?
Our defence is clearly the best, most cohesive in the AFL and we are forced to replace them, through injury, with Short and Garthwaite where we lose nothing. The list is so shallow.
Now the only worry is we have one key forward and with that set-up we won a premiership.
We do have however at least three developing options in Moore, Balta and CCJ but we are also a big chance of getting the best tall forward free agent in years in Lynch.
I think I'll just enjoy the ride and stop worrying for now.
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Pay Shorty decent money to keep him.
Move Grigg on.
Offer Houli a 1 year deal on reduced coin.
Funny stuff all this talk.
Houli was arguably the best player in a GF win and half a season later he's surplus.
Some Richmond fans really do get bored when we keep winning.
true sam mitchell agrees
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Year by year like every other club does.
Still funny though.
We're on top in both AFL and VFL. Oh the horror.
We have no debt but the highest membership, attendance and viewership. What are we to do?
A tall key forward has serious health concerns and he retires early for a better option. Huge problem.
Our lone back-up ruck is still injured and can only be released to be replaced by multiple junior alternatives. What a crisis.
We only have two Brownlow medallists in our midfield. We're so shorthanded with only the best couple of midfielders in the VFL as a back stop. Real concerns.
We only have the best crew of small forwards in the competition with only three or four of the best in the VFL unable to get a game. Where's our strike power to come from?
Our defence is clearly the best, most cohesive in the AFL and we are forced to replace them, through injury, with Short and Garthwaite where we lose nothing. The list is so shallow.
Now the only worry is we have one key forward and with that set-up we won a premiership.
We do have however at least three developing options in Moore, Balta and CCJ but we are also a big chance of getting the best tall forward free agent in years in Lynch.
I think I'll just enjoy the ride and stop worrying for now.
What’s any of that rambling got to do with a young player with skill and upside not being happy with how much we’re offering him? Are you suggesting we tell him to move on because we have enough talent every where else that we don’t need him?
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Exactly. Short stays and to suggest otherwise is farcical.
Pushing top 5 b&f at the moment if you ask me
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Be very very surprised if we let this guy go
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Pay Shorty decent money to keep him.
Move Grigg on.
Offer Houli a 1 year deal on reduced coin.
Funny stuff all this talk.
Houli was arguably the best player in a GF win and half a season later he's surplus.
Some Richmond fans really do get bored when we keep winning.
Yep. Lets freeze the list from last year. Don't touch a thing. Dynasty's are all about respecting role players who lifted for an AFL GF to the point where future jets are moved on when they ask for their money's worth. :whistle
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After missing out on last year’s drought-breaking premiership, Short has been the most improved player at Punt Road this year, perhaps even one of the most improved players in the competition.
And just like he has done all year, Short gained yardage and used his precise right foot to inflict damage.
He finished with a whopping 722 metres gained — the most on the ground — from 20 disposals, seven inside and kicked two goals in another dominant display that helped Richmond take another scalp en route to September.
“You come to Etihad and you expect the pressure. We knew they were going to come out firing and bring the pressure,” Short said.
“We brought the pressure too and it was a great win. The boys fought hard all night. There were individual efforts, but it was a team effort tonight.”
Source: Herald-Sun website (https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-defender-jayden-short-says-the-tigers-wanted-to-win-for-reece-ng-6b64871f1e511bbe7ded14a345b30790)
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Little champ :clapping
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After 15 rounds this season, Short is averaging 19.5 disposals, 4.7 rebound-50sand 4.1 marks per game.
He’s ranked second in the competition for metres gained (an average of 495 metres per game), sixth for rebound-50s and 11th for total kicks.
And, as good as he is on the right foot, he’s not exactly shabby on the left, either, as he’s shown several times during matches.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-07-01/the-long-and-short-of-it
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‘I want the ball in my hands’: Richmond’s unexpected quarterback Jayden Short
July 2, 2018
Josh Gabelich
FOX SPORTS
JAYDEN Short’s kicking has always been his point of difference.
It was something he honed in the front yard of his Mill Park home growing up, one on his right, the next on his left, over and over again with his Dad.
And it was the main reason Richmond overlooked the question marks on his fitness and plucked him from the Northern Knights as a speculative rookie pick at the end of 2014.
With the 22-year-old emerging as a quarterback that sets up Richmond’s ball movement out of the back half, Short’s potent feet are now one of the Tigers’ biggest assets, making him one of their best value picks in recent times.
Short is averaging a whopping 503.3 metres gained — the 4th most in the AFL — to go with 4.7 rebound 50s (No. 14 in the AFL) and 3 inside 50s from 19.5 disposals.
“I was in the front yard with my old man a fair bit growing up, he sort of said, ‘one left, one right’ and that’s what we did until I got old enough and could tell him I didn’t want to go out the front and kick the ball,” Short told foxsports.com.au after Thursday night’s win over Sydney.
“But as a kid I was never really on the PlayStation or stuff like that. Dad was always having a kick with me.
“I want the ball in my hands. I think my kicking is a strength of mine. If I can get the ball in my hands, break a line and get the ball to my boot that’s what I want to do.”
While Damien Hardwick’s side completed a fairytale finish to last season, Short warmed up as an emergency before sitting in the grandstand to watch the grand final.
If the Tigers find themselves in the same position this September, he doesn’t want to miss out again.
“It is definitely driving me,” he said.
“To see the boys have that success last year — I still played the 16 games — was just amazing.
“It was amazing for the club and to see the boys go through that I still felt a part of it, but I didn’t play so I think if we do find ourselves there this year I don’t want to find myself in a position where I’m not there again.”
Playing in a back six led by the premier backman in the competition Alex Rance, and alongside underrated stars in Dylan Grimes and Nick Vlastuin, Short said those around him fill him with the confidence he needs to take the game on like he does.
“If I’m to make a mistake they are always there to fix it up,” he said. “We’ve got Rancey there who is the best backman in the league and he gives me a lot of confidence, and so do all the other boys as well. It is just a great group to play with and I love playing with them.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/i-want-the-ball-in-my-hands-richmonds-unexpected-quarterback-jayden-short/news-story/b44c687d56f06c06f821d119e77e237b
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Stop reading at "quarterback"..... >:(
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What a gun this guy is.
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Stop reading at "quarterback"..... >:(
x 2
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Short's post-match interview on K-Rock:
AUDIO link: http://www.krockfootball.com.au/audio/interviews-2018/round-sixteen-richmond-vs-adelaide-crows-match-interviews/
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Jayden Short has opened up on the transformation he’s undergone from small forward to a slick, quick defender, who generates significant drive for Richmond through his hard running and booming kicking.
Short was recruited by the Tigers as a rookie selection (No. 11 overall) in late 2015.
He was elevated to the Club’s senior playing list on the eve of the 2016 season as a replacement for injured teammate Reece Conca.
His AFL debut came against Collingwood at the MCG in Round 2 and he kicked three goals in a promising display as a small forward.
By the end of that season, however, Short was plying his trade on-field as a small defender. And now, nearly two years on, he’s developed into one of the best small defenders in the competition.
“I got a bit lucky in my first game. I kicked three goals and then played the next week and didn’t get a kick. So they had to put me down the backline . . . get me out of the forward line because I wasn’t doing too much down there,” Short told K-Rock following another top-class display for Richmond in last Friday night’s victory over Adelaide at the MCG.
“I’ve loved going down back. I think I can make the most of my offensive ability and my kicking skills down there.”
Short lost his place in Richmond’s senior side late last season after playing 16 games and was a spectator on Grand Final day when the Tigers broke their 37-year premiership drought.
He’s used that disappointment as added incentive this season to take his game up to the next level.
“I obviously wanted to play in the AFL team, so I set myself a high standard to get in the team and hold my spot,” he said.
“I want to do the best I can and help the team as much as I can, and get around the boys as much as I can. I just love playing with the boys, they make my job easy out there.
“I’ve got some great players around me . . . they look after me. Just as I try to help them with my offense, they help me out with their defence, which is unbelievable . . .”
Short’s ability to roost the ball with such precision has become a real weapon for the Tigers.
“It’s something I’ve always prided my game on, it’s something I’m always working on as well.
“You can probably see that I don’t handball too much, which is probably something I do need to work on.
“But I do enjoy getting the ball on my boot and I just try and get it as much as I can . . . just try and do the best I can for the boys and try and make something happen.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-07-08/short-shift-a-big-winner
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Boomer Harvey tiring to drive Shorty's price up on Future Stars today, claiming 17 clubs would be lining up to pay $500k per year. I'm calling $375k - $400k for 2 years as about correct weight factoring in his current improvement trajectory.
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Boomer Harvey tiring to drive Shorty's price up on Future Stars today, claiming 17 clubs would be lining up to pay $500k per year. I'm calling $375k - $400k for 2 years as about correct weight factoring in his current improvement trajectory.
I actually agree with Boomer. He’s worth what the market is willing to pay. I reckon there would be many clubs that would pay that for a skilful defender thats not afraid to take the game on, is one of the best players for metres gained and can bomb a long goal from outside 50.
Many clubs would be making offers Im sure.
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Must keep - see ya Basha :whistle
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Short is a must keep, paying more money to these guys, (and btw how much would Lambert get?), Broad, Grimes, Higgins, Castagna, means a big fish like Lynch will probably be off the table, which IMHO, is good.
Lucky we have Balmey to sort it all out.
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Short is a must keep, paying more money to these guys, (and btw how much would Lambert get?), Broad, Grimes, Higgins, Castagna, means a big fish like Lynch will probably be off the table, which IMHO, is good.
Lucky we have Balmey to sort it all out.
Lambert is on $120K+match payments....
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come on y&b that cant be true
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Short is a must keep, paying more money to these guys, (and btw how much would Lambert get?), Broad, Grimes, Higgins, Castagna, means a big fish like Lynch will probably be off the table, which IMHO, is good.
Lucky we have Balmey to sort it all out.
Lambert is on $120K+match payments....
If true - see ya Grigg :whistle
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come on y&b that cant be true
Info came directly from one of his best mates outside the club, so I think it's true. Mind you match payments maybe ~$6K and so if you play 22 senior games that would be around $250K per year. Still bargain basement.
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The Tigers need to keep Jayden Short
Short played 16 games last year but didn’t feature in Richmond’s breakthrough premiership side. However should the Tigers make it back to the Grand Final, and Friday's win over Adelaide showed again why that seems a very likely case, then Short should be there. The Tiger brings genuine run and carry to their line-up and is having an excellent season. He picked up 25 disposals and kicked a goal against the Crows. Short is among a big group of Tigers out of contract this season and the parties are some way apart in terms of what his value should be at the club. But Richmond should make his signature a priority. - Callum Twomey
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-07-08/nine-things-we-learned-from-round-16
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I think we need to relax.
Short will not leave. He is loyal and we are not silly.
I think that if we offer him a fair deal, he will jump at it. I have no doubt he will stay with us for less than what he could earn elsewhere, but we just can't low ball him.
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I think we need to relax.
Short will not leave. He is loyal and we are not silly.
I think that if we offer him a fair deal, he will jump at it. I have no doubt he will stay with us for less than what he could earn elsewhere, but we just can't low ball him.
Agree, the same goes for lambert. I think guys like grigg and houli will have to take paycuts too.
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Short on SEN's Crunch Time:
AUDIO: https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode/?id=253832
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The motivating factor behind Jayden Short's Richmond resurgence
By Alex Zaia
SEN
9 July 2018
Richmond defender Jayden Short says he’s used missing out on last year’s premiership as a motivating factor to ensure he is part of the Tigers’ tilt at this season’s flag.
Short has successfully locked down a regular spot in Damien Hardwick’s best 22 in 2018, playing all 15 games so far and impressing with his run and ball use off half-back, averaging almost 20 disposals per match.
While enjoying being around the club during their drought-breaking season, the 22-year-old is determined to be involved in September action this time around, with the reigning premiers raging favourites to go back-to-back for the first time since 1974.
“I saw how much fun the boys had and I sort of didn’t want to put myself in a position where I was going to miss out like that again,” Short told SEN’s Crunch Time.
“I used that was a bit of motivation to keep myself in the team and play the best footy that I can.
“It was still a good place to be; it was still exciting and I was still around the club with all the boys, I just wasn’t in the team.
“I did the most I could to try and get myself back in there, but it didn’t happen.
“It was a great place to be. It was obviously a successful year so I still had fun while I was there."
Short is out of contract at the end of the season, but remained tight-lipped regarding his future.
“I’m trying to play the best I can and I’ll let my manager deal with that. I’m just enjoying my footy and being in the team,” he said.
“I’m just trying to hold my spot and do the most I can for the team.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/07/09/the-motivating-factor-behind-jayden-shorts-richmond-resurgence/
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Had this guy pegged as Houli's replacement 2-3 years ago.
Who would have known he'd been this good though?
Genuinely elite foot skills. In AA form in my eyes...
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No drawing straws for Short
Dem Panopoulos
theRoar.com.au
25 July 2018
Jayden Short should be a man in demand.
The Richmond defender is out of contract at season’s end, and his performances have certainly justified the decision to delay negotiations.
Short has been the most improved player in the AFL in 2018 and is one of Richmond’s most important players.
Having started off as a small forward, Short was re-invented as a rebounding defender, however, he couldn’t make the most of his opportunities to become a premiership player in 2017.
Perhaps it was the wake-up call the 22-year-old needed, given he has played every game in 2018 and established himself as one of the league’s best half-backs.
In a position that can often see impact masked by high disposal numbers, Short’s ability to play a major part in every game is impressive.
He is ranked first for metres gained according to official AFL statistics, averaging 525.9 per game for the whole season.
The young Tiger, however, took his game to another level.
From Round 10, and in the eight games to follow, he has averaged 23 disposals, six marks, five rebound 50s and five inside 50s.
Astonishingly, he is averaging 622.4 metres per game in that time, which would be the biggest number ever recorded if he were to sustain this for an entire season.
All of this has come with an elite disposal efficiency of 78%.
He has shown a consistency in the position that has only been matched by Jake Lloyd, and the Swan isn’t having anywhere near the impact Short has had for the reigning premiers.
The likes of Brandon Ellis and the injury-prone Bachar Houli have had to take a backseat to the elite emergence of Short, despite both being important players for a number of years.
Therefore, Short’s contract situation should raise alarm bells for Richmond, who should make it a priority to re-sign their 22-
North Melbourne is chasing Andrew Gaff and reportedly Jared Polec, and are willing to throw a lot of money at either player.
Both play on the wing and act as linking players who love to kick the ball long.
Short offers an alternative that should not be ignored, despite being a slightly different player to the aforementioned duo.
Short’s penetrating kick from the defensive half depreciates the value of a traditional wingman in a team’s best 22, simply through kicking the ball from one arc to the other.
The 22-year-old loves to run with the ball and ends up distributing from advanced positions anyway, which is why his direct score involvement statistic is above average for his position.
St Kilda, too, is a team that should chase Short and pair him with Jimmy Webster.
With the hard-running of Blake Acres on the wing and the elite kicking of Webster and Short, the Saints could finally play an entertaining and direct style of footy that would create a sharp improvement within the team.
Short would also be a great fit at Hawthorn with the way they like to play, although how a deal would work to get him to the brown and gold is unknown.
Of course, a club like the Suns can throw far more money at Short than any Victorian club may be willing to part with for the soon-to-be 50-gamer.
Despite having potentially elite rebounders in their squad, Short could still be an ideal signing.
Ultimately, any team wanting to play a direct, entertaining style of football will need to be chasing Short.
While some may see this two-month period as a “flash in the pan”, one could argue he showed these signs in 2017, which would have warranted this tag.
Yet 2018 has seen the emergence of what will be one of the league’s top half-backs for years to come, thanks to his fantastic development at the Richmond Football Club.
Putting off negotiations has certainly paid off for the 22-year-old, who will receive some big offers, however, the perfect fit may well be right in front of him.
Short should re-sign with the Tigers before the end of the season and cement himself as a developing star of the team.
A risk-free opportunity at prolonged success should be incentive enough to keep playing at Punt Rd.
He’s the exact player Richmond needs in its defence and re-signing him before the end of the season is crucial.
Securing Short early can be mutually beneficial for both parties and would lead to the Tigers freely making big moves to secure one of its favourite Suns, without needing to worry about the young star.
No longer is Short seen as the elevated rookie who had a shot at the big time.
He is one of the best players at the best club in the land and he’ll be justifiably rewarded for all his hard work.
https://www.theroar.com.au/2018/07/25/no-drawing-straws-short/
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Funny ...don't recall the media talking up the price of Footscray's players after their flag or Hawthorn after their three flags...indeed I recall most of the media saying Johannisen's reported asking price of 800k+ was overs and praising Hawthorn's pay structure and ability to retain payers while bringing in the likes of Lake & Frawley....now it's all "Richmond players deserve pay rises" & "Free Agency is unfair".... :shh
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Need to resign this guy ASAP. Having a ripper season!
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Improving Tiger Jayden Short is set for a significant pay rise when he signs his next contract.
Jayden Short might be the most improved player in the AFL.
“He's been terrific, hasn't he?” Hardwick said. “And he's the reason we sit where we are. His season last year was pretty good. He unfortunately just lost a little bit ...
[Paywall:] https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/improving-tiger-jayden-short-is-set-for-a-significant-pay-rise-when-he-signs-his-next-contract/news-story/bd23ab4c8d1fdf2082ae8f952cee168f
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Is this guy the best kick in the league?
I was a fan 2 years ago and wanted him to take over Houli. Probably needs a bit of work on his defensive game but TBH it looks like Houli is possibly finished - just roll his wage over to Shorty please!
Members were peeing themselves when he kicked that second goal hahaha
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They were loading him like a howitzer, brilliant
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Is this guy the best kick in the league?
I was a fan 2 years ago and wanted him to take over Houli. Probably needs a bit of work on his defensive game but TBH it looks like Houli is possibly finished - just roll his wage over to Shorty please!
Members were peeing themselves when he kicked that second goal hahaha
i would have no issue keeping houli on min wages. We do need back u players and his experience is required for the kids.
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Tom Browne reported on MMM late this morning that Short has signed a two year deal, expected to be announced in the next couple of days :gotigers
Also noted that he has knocked back a couple of bigger offers to stay at Tigerland :thumbsup
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yeah i tweeted this yesterday before work that i had heard about Short signing with us.
club offered him 4 years, he wanted to go with 2. Makes sense for him.
knocked back a big offer from the swans.
wrapt to have him staying though!
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Great news if true. Shame we couldn’t lock him down for longer but completely fair enough. Might be like looking at 7 figures the next time his contract roles around....
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BAM
http://m.richmondfc.com.au/news/2018-08-02/shorts-stay-extended
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Jayden Short signs for 2 years.
From the RFC.
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Offcial. New contract for further 2 years!!
Great to be a Tiger supporter. Even better when it becomes official that we have locked in Lynch. :shh
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like stuffing whoa :shh
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"We are really pleased to have Jayden re-commit for a further two years," Richmond general manager of football Neil Balme said.
"His development has been quite remarkable since he joined Richmond as a rookie at the end of 2014. He worked hard for his chance at senior level and has performed well this year.
"Jayden is also a lively character around the club and I know all of our players, coaches and staff will be delighted with this announcement."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-02/short-deal-for-longkicking-tigers-defender
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awesome!
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Most consecutive games with 500+ metres gained:
9: Jayden Short
4: Lachie Whitfield, James Sicily
3: Heath Shaw, Jared Polec
2: Jake Lloyd, Tom Mitchell, Jade Gresham, Matt Suckling
https://twitter.com/ethan_meldrum/status/1024845874537455616
He's ranked first at the Tigers this year for both uncontested possessions and rebound-50s, fourth for disposals and fifth for inside-50s.
https://twitter.com/RonnyLerner/status/1024840221811077120
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What a leg this guy has. Absolute jet
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Fantastic news . We are living in an era of a new Tiger dynasty.
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Jackstar wrong again. :shh
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:shh :shh
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Great news.
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:cheers absolute gun this kid!
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How young Tiger Jayden Short mastered the art of kicking
Chris Cavanagh,
Herald Sun
August 3, 2018
JAYDEN Short has never been much of a handballer.
On the street outside the family home in Mill Park as a youngster with father Greg it was always his kick that he was working on.
“I always begged dad to come out the front with me and have kick-to-kick on the street and I never really handballed because we were standing too far away,” Short said.
“It was always one left kick, one right kick and over the years it became natural.”
Those skills formed at a young age are quickly helping Short — who today joined a growing list of Tigers to extend their contracts, putting pen to paper on a new two-year deal which ties him to the club until the end of 2020 — build a reputation as one of the best long kicks in the AFL.
Last weekend against Collingwood the defender floated forward to boot two goals in 90 seconds on the run from 55m after receiving handballs from teammates who had marked beyond their range.
The handball to an unmarked Short outside 50 has in fact proven a successful play for the Tigers on five occasions this year, so should have proven no surprise to the Magpies on the first occasion let alone the second.
Short Stat
Average disposals 20.3 Above average
Average kicks 15.3 Above average
Average handballs 5.1 Average
Kicking efficiency 74.5% Above average
Average I50s 3.4 Elite
Average metres gained 527.3 Elite
“I don’t think they didn’t mean to man me up, it was just a little bit confusing. I tried to hide behind someone and got a little bit lucky,” Short said.
“It’s not a play I practice, I just know I can kick that far and if I think someone’s too far out and they won’t make the distance I hope that they’ll give me the handball but if I don’t get it I’m happy for them to have the shot as well.
“Probably until I miss one they’ll keep handballing to me.”
A 2015 rookie draft selection, Short has played every game this season and last weekend notched his 50th AFL match.
It has been the dream season that the 22-year-old had hoped for after narrowly missing out on success not once but twice in 2017.
After playing 16 consecutive games until Round 18 last year, Short found himself dropped to the VFL and was unable to break back into the senior team.
That meant he played in the VFL Grand Final which Richmond lost by four points to Port Melbourne and six days later sat in the stands at the MCG as an emergency watching on as the Tigers broke a 37-year premiership drought.
“It was tough looking back at it,” Short said.
“I was part of the parade and all that sort of stuff and obviously didn’t get to run out there with all the boys.
“I was down in the rooms before the game and then chucked the suit back on and went up into the stands and watch the boys do their thing.
“It was just something that happened, you can only play 22 and I was one of the unlucky ones that missed out. But it was terrific to see the boys win.”
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick last week described Short as “one of the most improved players in the AFL” while he has also come into All-Australian squad discussion by some commentators having averaged 20.3 disposals and an league-high 527 metres gained.
However, after last years’ experience Short knows he needs to keep producing if he wants to be on the big stage this September with competition for spots in the Tigers side again red-hot.
“I didn’t come here to play in the VFL,” he said.
“I always had aspirations to be a regular senior player and obviously it took some time and there were a lot of things I needed to work on but I set myself a target over the off season to put my hand up as much as I could and hopefully stay in the team as long as I can.
“Playing finals would be a good result but we’ve got four games left and we want to put ourselves in the best position we can so I’ll just concentrate on these four games and then see how we go from there.”
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/how-young-tiger-jayden-short-mastered-the-art-of-kicking/news-story/99cf55790891eb0b63a1191abef9b78c
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'Metres-gained king' never feels safe in side
Marc McGowan
afl.com.au
Sep 7, 2018 9:01AM
RESURGENT Tiger Jayden Short refuses to feel safe in the reigning premiers' senior side as he inches towards redemption after last year's heartbreak of missing out.
The 22-year-old former carpenter made his finals debut in Richmond's dominant 31-point dismissal of Hawthorn at the MCG on Thursday night.
It was barely 12 months ago that Short, after playing 16 straight matches, lost his spot to fellow defender Bachar Houli – and he never muscled his way back in.
Brandon Ellis might be that player this year, with Kane Lambert's return from an ankle injury for the qualifying final bumping the premiership-winning backman into the VFL.
Short was part of the 2017 Grand Final parade as an emergency and watched some of his closest friends, including housemate Lambert, end the Tigers' 37-year flag drought.
"It was obviously hard not being there," Short told AFL.com.au in Richmond's euphoric rooms after the win over the Hawks.
"There were parts of my game I needed to improve and I set myself for the pre-season to improve those things.
"I wanted to play AFL football – I didn't come here to play VFL – so I set myself a task to play in the senior team and I've done it this year."
Among the areas Short needed to work on, and did, were his fitness, winning more of his own football, his consistency within games and backing his strengths more.
There is no bigger weapon in his arsenal than his trusty right boot, which has helped him comfortably lead the AFL in both metres gained and effective metres gained this season.
Short was back at it again on Thursday night, racking up 376 of his 537 metres gained in the opening half when Hawthorn challenged the Tigers most.
"It's something the boys have a joke about," he said of his status as the competition's metres-gained king.
"But I might need to start lowering my eyes a little. I don't mind kicking the ball, so I kick it when I can – I don't really like handballing."
Coach Damien Hardwick did not hide his satisfaction post-game at Short being able to feature in a finals triumph after all he went through last year.
"There are always stories about players who could quite easily play, and Jayden was one of those guys. I think he played 16 games last year and misses out," Hardwick said.
"That's the disappointing thing about our game. We want to reward every player, and we did that last year with guys who played one game or whatever it was.
"It is pleasing that he's really taken his chance this year. He's been such a pivotal player for us; the way he wins the ball and uses the ball is so highly regarded."
Short plans to be in Port Melbourne on Saturday to watch Richmond's VFL side face Essendon, where Ellis and others will have the chance to audition for an AFL preliminary final place.
"It's an industry you never really feel safe in," he said.
"You watch our VFL team; there's another 20 blokes putting their hands up to play in the AFL team, so us 22 (in the seniors) need to show up every week and put our best foot forward.
"Our VFL boys are kicking the door down and they want to be here as well."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-09-07/metresgained-king-never-feels-safe-in-side
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A (Jayden) Short wait for a shot at flag redemption
Anthony Colangelo
The Age
16 Sept. 2018
By the time grand final day rolled around Jayden Short had long moved past heartache.
He played from round two to 18 in Richmond's 2017 premiership season but didn't feature again after being dropped before round 19. He was desperately unlucky to miss a flag.
Bachar Houli came into the side for Short, the senior defender having served a four-game suspension for striking, with Brandon Ellis remaining as the Tigers' other rebounding half-back.
Asked if there was a moment on grand final day that he remembered hurting him the most – the 22-year-old was an emergency and warmed up with the team before putting on his suit and watching the Tigers beat Adelaide from the stands – Short said there wasn't, because he'd come to terms with his unfortunate predicament long before the big day.
That moment of acceptance was when he was dropped. Short knew he'd struggle to get back into the side, and he knew his teammates were onto something special.
"It was when I found myself out of the team and I saw the boys doing so well," Short told the Sunday Age. "They were tracking towards the final game and it was a great team that was hard to get yourself back into so I knew from that point on there was hard work to be done.
"I knew I had to improve, you know as a player when you need to do that so it was clear. Things needed to change. We had Bachar come in and he is a 200-game player, unbelievable backman. 'Dimma' [coach Damien Hardwick] sat me down and we spoke on where I could grow and he pinpointed areas to work on and I completely understood where he was coming from and why I was out of the team. That helped me so much, rather than leaving me in the lurch."
There are no demons lurking because of his miss. He's even watched a replay of the grand final twice at home and holds only positive memories of the day.
"It was great viewing ... it certainly motivated me," he said.
From there, Short attacked the 2018 pre-season. He had shoulder surgery and then made a point of following his housemate Kane Lambert everywhere he could and in everything he did to prepare for the club's back-to-back flag tilt. Short knew where he had to improve because Hardwick had been so clear with him. His goal the season before was to play every game, and he didn't, so it was his goal again in 2018.
"The consistency in my game, staying involved in games for longer had to get better," Short said. "Winning my own ball, a bit more fitness too.
"It was just having a bit of belief in myself. I did believe I was good enough but I probably didn't show it enough in games. I had to be more confident in games and know I was good enough.
"It was a little bit of getting my own contested ball too and doing it from there rather than waiting for other people to get it to me. You get more confident with it the more games you play; I am not the biggest guy but it is something I knew I could do."
This year the tables have turned. Ellis is the one who finds himself out of the side, dropped for the qualifying final win over Hawthorn. Short's season has been too good. He has been widely named by pundits as one of, if not, the most improved player in the competition.
The penetration and accuracy of his kicking is his most dangerous weapon. It was that particular skill set that led to him being trialled on the half-back line after he entered the AFL as a small forward.
"I was all for the switch to defence," he said. "Dimma said he wanted me at half-back and I believe in my kick and my skills so I thought, 'Geez, playing there I might be able to showcase my skills a bit more' and I went down there and played my natural game."
His 2018 statistics speak for themselves. The No.11 pick in the 2015 rookie draft ranks second in the AFL for effective long kicks behind Sydney's Jake Lloyd, and second for total effective kicks.
He also ranks first at Richmond for effective kicks, uncontested possessions, handball receives and rebound 50s. The defensive side of his game has been boosted this year too.
The Northern Knights product hasn't taken the time to reflect on his stellar season just yet, but said he has noticed the media praise coming his way and has used it, along with internal validation from his teammates, to keep his tail up.
"I have seen a few articles and stuff like that," Short said. "I try and embrace it as much as I can. I want to hear those things, when people say nice things about you. When I do see an article like that I will definitely read it but I don't seek it out. It is always good to hear people saying nice things, they're good to read when they're out there."
While there are no shortage of players in Richmond's formidable line-up to tag it is quite remarkable that Short is yet to garner such attention.
"I guess I am hoping it doesn't happen," he laughed. "I played as a defensive forward a bit myself in my first year, and now I am hoping no one will come to me. It hasn't happened yet, it's a bit harder to tag a half-back who just runs around and tries to get as much ball as they can.
"I have spoken to teammates about what I could do if it happened and it's just about playing to my strengths and keep working to as many contests that I can get to and hoping to still get my hands on the ball, that would obviously hurt a tagger but it isn't something I have put too much thought into. I just worry about getting out there and having as much fun as I can, and doing what I can for the team."
Short's first final was the qualifying final win over Hawthorn. The Tigers proved their doubters wrong – some believed they might have slowed – and demolished Alastair Clarkson's side.
"You hear that the pressure ramps up for finals and I sort of thought I should be fine but my first few possessions were a bit rushed and I felt a little bit pressured," he said. "Once the game went on I got more comfortable and I played my natural game and I wasn't worried about it being a final. I stuck to what I know and what I do."
https://www.watoday.com.au/sport/afl/a-jayden-short-wait-for-a-shot-at-flag-redemption-20180914-p503uc.html
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The AFL website has ranked Short as having the second best breakout season of 2018.
2. Jayden Short (Richmond)
One of the hard-luck stories of Richmond's premiership season in 2017, Short became the Tigers' go-to user off half-back. Playing 16 consecutive games in a variety of roles before he was dumped after round 18, Short was unlucky not to be named in the All Australian squad of 40 in 2018. His disposal count rose from 14.8 to 20 per match, his booming kick taking him from 366 metres gained to 527 per match, the most in the competition.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-01-04/the-top-10-players-who-had-breakout-seasons-in-2018
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He needed shoulder surgery in late 2017 (one of the reasons he was dropped)
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Shorty should see his disposal stats go through the roof this year. He had 105 kick-ins in 2018 and 16.2% to himself.
PLAYERS will be awarded a disposal when they completely step out of the goal square from a kick-in or handball the ball to a teammate from the square, Champion Data has advised.
Champion Data finalised its official ruling around the new kick-in rule on Thursday and as per previous seasons there will no disposal given when a player kicks-in while clearly still in the square.
The changes come after the AFL rule instituted this season, which states that players will be allowed to run out of the goal square without having to kick the ball to themselves.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-01-17/Copy%20of%20Champion%20Data%20clarifies%20disposal%20stats%20for%20kick-ins
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Konrad Marshall sat down with talented small defender Jayden Short earlier this month to kick-off a new series of long-form features on current Tigers by the author of Yellow & Black - A Season with Richmond.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-03-14/roar-features-jayden-short-part-1.mobileapp
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Short stepper #panickylongkickstonodbody #evensofterthanHouli :shh
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Konrad Marshall sat down with talented small defender Jayden Short earlier this month to kick-off a new series of long-form features on current Tigers by the author of Yellow & Black - A Season with Richmond.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-03-14/roar-features-jayden-short-part-1.mobileapp
Part 2:
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-03-14/roar-features-jayden-short-part-2
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Any news about how weeks Short will miss with his dislocated elbow?
Richmond defender Jayden Short suffered a dislocated elbow and appears set for a prolonged stint on the sidelines.
(https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/c8b33297f4cb44bb6ada438573e52cd6?width=1024)
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/dustin-martin-gives-giants-opponent-middle-finger-as-star-tiger-vents-frustrations/news-story/b073a553bddd198cbe6804c9bfad0270
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Welcome back Shorty, didn't miss a beat and straight back into his line breaking best :thumbsup
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Yep. Good game from him. Muffed a few kicks but generally provided good drive.
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Yep. Good game from him. Muffed a few kicks but generally provided good drive.
Allowed Stack to go forward too.... :shh
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Short, however, made a seamless transition back into the line-up and played a valuable role in Richmond’s important win.
He had 22 disposals, including a game-high six rebound-50s, four inside-50s, 706 metres gained, and generated considerable drive for the team with his customary line-breaking run.
Read more at: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2019-07-01/shorts-smooth-return
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Went ok against a crap side whose pressurre dropped right off as the match wore on... *golf clap* :shh
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Went ok against a crap side whose pressurre dropped right off as the match wore on... *golf clap* :shh
You are barracking for him to be crud hey?
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It’s his first game back after an extended period on the sidelines. A bit Harsh to talk down his game considering he did his job and contributed to us getting the 4points
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I said he' game was ok but put it context as oppossed to people carrying like it was great game and he "didn't miss a beat" and was "straight back to his line breaking best"....which is clearly hyped up bollocks... :shh
Went ok against a crap side whose pressurre dropped right off as the match wore on... *golf clap* :shh
You are barracking for him to be crud hey?
Yes - hope he gives up ten goals next week and costs us the game and the season so I can be proven right to a bunch of anonymous strangers on the internet... :shh :shh
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I think we are better off with a Short Stack.... :shh
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Prefer them both forward...... :shh :shh
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Terry Wallace has identified one player from each side that he feels could be a surprise packet in the 2019 AFL finals series.
Richmond
Jayden Short
“With his ball use coming off the half-back line, setting up the Tigers.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/09/05/wallaces-potential-finals-surprise-packets/
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Setting up the opposition with his precision turnovers... :shh
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Didn't the media watch last year's finals. Short was found out.
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Will definitely be a surprise for the opposition finding it in their arms
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I still rate short. He is still a beautiful kick and I think the finals experience will have done him some good. We have to remember a few of our more seasoned players had some shocking finals games before switching it on for 2017. I want short to be more daring with his run and absolutely punish the opposition with his long kicking
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Will definitely be a surprise for the opposition finding it in their arms
:shh
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Will definitely be a surprise for the opposition finding it in their arms
:shh
Blinkers off me thinks :shh
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i don’t get the Short criticism.
I think he has been down a bit on last years very good form since he has come back from his arm injury but still doing a good job IMO.
I don’t get it even more people knock his kicking- which is elite.
Anyway we all see different things I guess.
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i don’t get the Short criticism.
I think he has been down a bit on last years very good form since he has come back from his arm injury but still doing a good job IMO.
I don’t get it even more people knock his kicking- which is elite.
Anyway we all see different things I guess.
Thank god someone has knowledge on the game and can identify what the coaching group clearly has identified...an elite kick is Short :clapping :shh
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Where are all these awesome kicks..you do realise hitting opposition players on the tit doesn't constitute"elite" kicking? Nor do panicky hacks to no-one under even the tiniest amount of pressure.. :shh
Anyway hilarious that the most vocal self-proclaimed squib-hater on the board who bangs on interminably about how soft Bellis is and how Houli doesn't defend and how there's nothing more they hate than blokes who play scared, defends the softest, least defensively accountable, scaredest squib on the list . a bloke that makes the other two look like Archer & Voss ...haha stuff me...you couldn't make this shyte up.... :shh :shh
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Where are all these awesome kicks..you do realise hitting opposition players on the tit doesn't constitute"elite" kicking? Nor do panicky hacks to no-one under even the tiniest amount of pressure.. :shh
Anyway hilarious that the most vocal self-proclaimed squib-hater on the board who bangs on interminably about how soft Bellis is and how Houli doesn't defend and how there's nothing more they hate than blokes who play scared, defends the softest, least defensively accountable, scaredest squib on the list . a bloke that makes the other two look like Archer & Voss ...haha stuff me...you couldn't make this shyte up.... :shh :shh
Archer and Voss.... now your being hilarious 😂
You are right I don’t like softies and players that don’t defend first and foremost but I don’t see Short that way obviously. I understand you disagree and that’s fine/even good, considering you think Lambert isn’t much chop. What was it again?? VFL standard dud??
Even if you thought Short was a bit soft, that is one thing but to question his kicking makes you look uneducated. He would be in the best 3 kicks at the club. Anyone that spends more time actually watching footy than on this forum would know that. :shh :shh
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Short is an elite kick. Needs to work on his defensive side and his game under pressure.
Should be a replacement for Houli long term. Need to get to work on him!
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Yeah some real "elite" kicking from him so far tonight... :shh
Loving his defensive ball watching too... :shh :shh
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Currently kicking at 87% efficiency.
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What about when it's not just to himself at the kick-ins or more than 15 metres under no pressure? :shh
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Loving his defensive ball watching too... :shh :shh
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Loving his defensive ball watching too... :shh :shh
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Oh please, Cotch did the same but I don't see you calling for his head. It was a mix up, nothing more.
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Very poor game imo
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Really? Not sure what else he needs to do to please some people...lucky the coaching group like what they see :shh
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Loving his defensive ball watching too... :shh :shh
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Oh please, Cotch did the same but I don't see you calling for his head. It was a mix up, nothing more.
...and yet Cotchin still nearly got there despite the fact the your boy was closer... :shh
..but yeah I should be calling for Cotchin's head too even though while the apparently immune from criticism "Mr. Elite" was still shyting his daks, standing miles off his opponents and padding his stats like he always does, Cotchin was busy turning the match in our favour ...but no doubt all the apologists will remember in between singling out BEllis for the similar shyte, will be his "daring & dashing runs" once we were up by 40 and Brisbane were shot..,, :shh :shh
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Loving his defensive ball watching too... :shh :shh
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Oh please, Cotch did the same but I don't see you calling for his head. It was a mix up, nothing more.
...and yet Cotchin still nearly got there despite the fact the your boy was closer... :shh
..but yeah I should be calling for Cotchin's head too even though while the apparently immune from criticism "Mr. Elite" was still shyting his daks, standing miles off his opponents and padding his stats like he always does, Cotchin was busy turning the match in our favour ...but no doubt all the apologists will remember in between singling out BEllis for the similar shyte, will be his "daring & dashing runs" once we were up by 40 and Brisbane were shot..,, :shh :shh
Lots of chatter there, but the reality is both of them could have gotten to the ball, neither did because they thought the other would.
He's an elite kick still!
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He wasn't bad last night credit were credit due.
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From my vantage point at the Gabba Short was very good last night.
Best game in very long time
Oh and just in the mix up with Cotchin. From the stands most people were bemoaning Coach's effort not Short's
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From my vantage point at the Gabba Short was very good last night.
Best game in very long time
Oh and just in the mix up with Cotchin. From the stands most people were bemoaning Coach's effort not Short's
Agree, Cotch should have gone for it.
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Chatty Jayden Short lifts Tigers flag tilt
Peter Ryan
The Age
15 September 2019
Talking comes easily to running Richmond defender Jayden Short, who could be never be accused of being short of a word.
He loves chatting almost as much as his mates and the game he plays with them each winter, and that characteristic has helped endear him to everyone at the Tigers.
On the training track at Punt Road, Short's voice is the loudest, the constant hum of traffic and rattling of trains nearby not enough to drown him out as he encourages his teammates telling them, in his words, "how good they are".
In the rare times he becomes nervous in the lead-up to a big game he talks even more, often trying to change the subject to distract himself while keeping energy levels high.
"I do like to bring voice to the group," Short said.
"I like to encourage them and try to get the boys up as much as I can.
"I think that is just me as a person - a little bit upbeat and wanting to have a bit of fun. I like to have a chat. I can talk to anyone."
He laughs in a self-deprecating manner when asked whether he curtailed that side of his personality at all when he arrived new to the group as a raw-boned rookie in 2015.
"I would like to say it took a while but I am not sure it did. I think I probably came in a little bit too hot," Short said.
"That is probably the greatest part about Richmond: you are allowed to be yourself and you are encouraged to be you."
Who Jayden Short is in a football sense has emerged over the past two seasons. He found a niche for himself last year in the Tigers' defence after being an emergency for the grand final.
He led the competition in metres gained in 2018 and showed exquisite skills on both sides of the body as he added a dimension to the Tigers' back line. Such was his importance that there was no question this season that he would slot straight back in after an elbow injury sustained in round three forced him to miss 10 games.
He returned after the bye to be a vital member of Richmond's 10-game winning streak that has taken the team back to the preliminary final next Friday night against Geelong.
Short has had to work hard to be a key part of the Tigers' push to atone for last year's disappointment and win the flag in 2019.
His foot skills were refined as a child in the front yard of the family home in Mill Park when his dad Greg used to make him kick on each side of his body, encouraging him to use his non-preferred side in games and teaching him the value of hard work.
Life lessons were then reinforced in the time he spent working as a builder's labourer as an 18-year-old before being recruited to the Tigers' rookie list. "I worked for a year, waking up at six o'clock and busting your arse on the tools all day," Short said.
The experience has made him grateful for the opportunity to play with Richmond and work on his craft as an AFL player.
He still pinches himself to think that he gets to spend each day with 44 mates at a place where lunch is provided.
"It is unbelievable the difference and how lucky we are to do it," Short said.
When he was working he stuck to the "tradies diet" rather than that of a potential professional athlete, so he had work to do when he arrived at the club to meet the standards expected.
He began living with Kane Lambert, who went from the rookie list to third-placed in a best and fairest in a premiership year, and was shown how a good work ethic could help him become a better player. Even in their downtime Lambert would find a way to stay in shape.
Short remembers the pair holidaying in Hoi An, Vietnam and Lambert taking him on 10-kilometre runs through the picturesque region, even with humidity sitting on their shoulders like an electric blanket.
"We would get eight kilometres in and he would start to take off from me and then from there I wanted to stay with him," Short said.
"Then every off-season I wanted to be on his arse or beat him for a little bit of competition. I just see how hard he works and the benefits he gets from that."
Short hopes all the hard work can translate into a premiership with the the Tigers fighting again for a spot in the grand final. It eluded the Tigers last season when they lost the preliminary final to Collingwood, a defeat that took time for Short to process - particularly after he missed out on selection in the grand final the season before - but one the club copped on the chin.
"It was obviously not good to lose and you never want to lose but Collingwood played a great game and we just weren't up to it last year and we let that one slip," Short said.
"It was just one of those things we had to accept.
"We stuck together and obviously wanted to do good things over the pre-season."
Dragging the bottom lip for too long around Short's infectious personality, however, would be difficult to do as he has a way of making the mundane fun.
That he has never upgraded from the ute he bought when he turned 18 is still a source of great amusement for his teammates, who like to rib him about why he keeps rocking up in the XR6 Ford ute.
Last week star forward Tom Lynch borrowed it to move some cabinets, Short sheepishly admitting it's only the second time the tray has been used since he bought it.
"I have helped Dave Astbury get rid of some steel but I have not used it myself," Short said.
As the defender began to sense that the line of questioning may have been generated by someone trying to take the mickey out of him, Short quickly turned defence into attack.
"I am keeping it to help the boys," Short said.
"It's always there if someone needs it. I don't use it. I've been told about a million times I need to buy a new car but I have been told that so many times now I want to keep it and hang on to it."
Having only two seats in the front has its advantages too for a 23-year-old who just bought his first house, Short laughing as he plays up to the banter.
"I can never drive to lunch or anything. I am always jumping in with someone else. I don't mind that I am never driving. It is good to save on petrol," Short said.
The Tigers have been able to save on petrol this weekend as they head into their third consecutive preliminary final after a week break.
Richmond are 1-1 after two preliminary finals in the past two seasons and Short hopes to break the deadlock in positive fashion this week against the Cats to head into his first grand final.
When he is not talking he will hear one message ringing in his ears.
"Just play to your strengths," Short said. "We will prepare like any other game and go out and have fun."
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/chatty-jayden-short-lifts-tigers-flag-tilt-20190914-p52r9d.html
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Jayden Short – 5
Only had an average game in defence with 13 disposals, including 12 kicks, but turned the ball over six times.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-09-20/every-tiger-rated-from-the-preliminary-final
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Needs to cut the turnovers big time to cute at times needs to keep it simple.
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I agree he should use his long kicking ability more often.
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Decision making was poor. Turn over in fourth quarter cost us a goal. It was a completely unnecessary turnover. Place in side in jeopardy.
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Cost us at least 4 goals - gets away with murder and escapes the criticism others cop for the exact same shyte he serves up week after week...hell some people even praise the softie...usually people who seem to think "elite kicking" merely constitutes style & action but not actual in-game results, unless it's hitting targets under no pressure from less than 20....while he may be capable of some top class delivery and is better in the forward half IMO....it rarely ever comes when matches are at their hottest .. :shh
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Agreed. If Stack gets through 50-75% game time tomorrow in good form we should consider him instead, or Pickett if he's going alright defensively.
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:lol certainty to play :shh
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:lol certainty to play :shh
Exactly
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BEllis gets a game every week too ... :shh
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BEllis gets a game every week too ... :shh
How dare you drag Brave Brando into this..... >:(
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C;mon now AT you know what I'm getting at... :shh
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Hard luck has taught Tiger there's no shortcut to success
AFL.com.au
Ben Collins
Sep 24, 2019
JAYDEN Short is one of the most buoyant characters at Punt Road, but the dashing defender concedes there have been times he's doubted whether would get a chance to play in a Grand Final.
The 23-year-old former rookie from Melbourne's northern suburbs has faced several challenges at Tigerland over the past two years.
In 2017 Short played 16 of Richmond's first 17 games before being dropped, and was an emergency for the Grand Final when Richmond belted Adelaide.
After undergoing post-season shoulder surgery to fix a problem he'd carried since his debut against Collingwood early in 2016, his pre-season leading into 2018 was limited.
However, the 178cm speedster played every game last year, only for the Tigers to spectacularly succumb to the Magpies in the preliminary final.
Early this year they were at long odds to make it to the last Saturday in September after key players were struck down by injuries.
Short was also sidelined long-term after suffering a sickening dislocation of his right elbow in the 49-point loss to eventual Grand Final opponent Greater Western Sydney at Giants Stadium in round three. He missed 10 games but hasn't missed a beat since.
"There's always doubts running through your head. Things happen," Short told AFL.com.au.
"Last year we missed out and obviously we're looking forward to this year and getting some redemption.
"Early in the year I went down with an injury and didn't know where I'd be at (with a) dislocated elbow. I'd never had that before, and I'd never really heard many stories of a dislocated elbow. I didn't really know what I was in for, but to come back and play a little part in what we're doing is pretty special."
There's also a pretty special feeling in the Northcote house Short shares with teammates Liam Baker and Dan Butler. Baker will also line up in his first Grand Final alongside Short in defence, while 2017 premiership forward Butler is set to miss out but has been a handy source of advice, reinforcing the importance of enjoying the week because "it might not come around again".
"It's obviously pretty exciting. Liam's a real upbeat character and I enjoy living with him, as I (enjoy) living with Dan as well. Just to be able to go home and talk about it – Dan was there in 2017 so he's given us some tips and (is) talking us through what we can expect," Short said.
"To live with Liam, he's always excited and you can't really wipe the smile off his face at the moment so it's good."
Richmond captain Trent Cotchin told reporters on Monday that Short, like his mate 'Bakes', was "an amazing energy source" for the Tigers, with the pair "always up and about".
The affable Short explained he was always looking for fun, where appropriate.
"We're encouraged to be ourselves and we've got so many different characters here. I just come in here and be myself. Early days I was probably a little bit hot but the boys have embraced me," he said.
"I just love having a laugh and trying to get a laugh out of most of the boys, and have some fun while we're here because I think that's the best part about it."
Watching his teammates achieve the ultimate two years ago remains a major motivating force for the 70-gamer as he prepares to take on Giants small forwards such as Brent Daniels and Toby Greene.
"I've just wanted to be part of it throughout the whole year and obviously I missed out in 2017 and I saw how much fun the boys had. I played a few games that year and I had fun myself as well but wasn't one of the lucky ones to play in the game," he said.
"Just to see them enjoy such a good week drove me and I just wanted to be a part of it, and not put myself in the position where I could miss out again."
Short can't help but consider the example of teammate Kane Lambert, another ex-rookie and a former housemate, who helped him appreciate the value of embracing hard work and backing his strengths.
"I lived with Kane Lambert for two-and-a-half years and he's one person I look up to who epitomises the Richmond man and hard work. He had to fight his way for five or six years in the VFL system before he got his opportunity and I've seen how hard he's worked and the player he's become," Short said.
Short's greatest strength is his long, precise kicking. The Giants will also be on alert to prevent him from taking a handball from a teammate for a long shot at goal.
"We've got 'Lynchy' (Tom Lynch) backing himself from about 60 and he's kicking them, so I've veered away from running past him. I haven't kicked too many this year but I wouldn't mind a couple on the last day," he said.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-09-24/hard-luck-has-taught-tiger-theres-no-shortcut-to-success
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Jayden Short – 6
As polished as ever from half-back. While there was chaos all around him in the first half, Short barely wasted a disposal. Finished with 19 for the day to go with seven marks.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-09-28/player-ratings-richmond
JAYDEN SHORT 7
Missed the 2017 Grand Final after being named an emergency. Set off the sirens at times in the GWS coaching box with his rebound from halfback.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/afl-grand-final-player-ratings-dustin-martin-and-bachar-houli-shine-toby-green-phil-davis-flop/news-story/3b13f40fe020027c0e71ae275f356ff2
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Shorty played well in all finals stepped up bigtime.
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Tiger goes from heartbreak to joy in three short years
AFL.com.au
Marc McGowan
Sep 29, 2019
JAYDEN Short's premiership redemption story isn't a solo one.
The long-kicking Richmond defender spent 2017 Grand Final day heartbreakingly watching on as one of the emergencies, after playing 16 of the club's first 17 games that season.
What was a triumphant day for the Tigers was a bittersweet one for Short, who was thrilled for his teammates but dealing with his own disappointment.
However, another person felt the hurt every bit as much, according to the 23-year-old.
"Dad's been there since day dot playing footy, and he coached me throughout my juniors (at Mill Park), so to see him here today, on the big stage, and obviously to get the win, it's just amazing," Short told AFL.com.au.
"He's been through thick and thin with me. He felt 2017 pretty hard on himself as well, so it's just incredible I can repay him for that.
"He's given me a lot growing up – so has Mum – but footy-wise, Dad's been huge for me and just to be able to show him this (premiership medallion) is amazing. I love him."
Short's true arrival as an AFL footballer was last year, when he averaged 20 disposals and led the AFL in metres gained, but Richmond suffered a shock preliminary final defeat to Collingwood.
Then, he spent three months on the sidelines because of a gruesome right elbow dislocation.
"I had some doubts about getting back or what kind of footy I could get back to playing but we've got the best physios and doctors in the League," Short said.
"That gave me great confidence that I could get back and have an impact, and here we are today. I'm so grateful to be back and playing with these boys."
Short's round 15 return against St Kilda coincided with six other teammates coming into the senior side and the start of the Tigers' unbroken 12-match winning run to flag glory.
It's his first premiership, as well as housemate Liam Baker's, but Richmond's second in three seasons, entrenching the club as a modern football powerhouse.
"If you think about it like that, it's pretty cool," Short said.
"Us boys just love being together and at the end of the day these are what you play for and I'm grateful to be here and all the other boys are as well.
"It's just an awesome place to be.
"There's a great vibe every day and you get to come to work and be with 44 of your best mates every day, so it's pretty awesome and I'm really appreciative of that."
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-09-29/tiger-goes-from-heartbreak-to-joy-in-three-short-years
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:clapping just :clapping
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I'll have the watch the replay - I didn't think he had a great game from what I could see? I thought his kicking wasn't great, especially given that this is his key attribute.
With Baker looking very competitive down back, Houli in career best form, and Stack likely to return next year I would have thought Short should be looking over his shoulder.
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Yeah I'm not big on bagging players after a great day but I'm slightly confused at the accolades. He's a premiership player and deserves it but I thought his kicking was heinous. Not that I GAF, still on cloud 9 tbh.
We're all Tigers.
Yeeha
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jaydenshort_
As 2020 begins it saddens me to say that 2019 ended in the worst possible way, Dad fought a long hard battle and in the end it proved to be too much to overcome. You will forever be the reason I wake up motivated and I will continue to try and make you proud. I love you Dad I’ll be forever grateful and always proud ❤️❤️❤️
https://www.instagram.com/p/B6wStmvATUx/
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Our condolences to Jayden and the rest of the Short family.
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jaydenshort_
As 2020 begins it saddens me to say that 2019 ended in the worst possible way, Dad fought a long hard battle and in the end it proved to be too much to overcome. You will forever be the reason I wake up motivated and I will continue to try and make you proud. I love you Dad I’ll be forever grateful and always proud ❤️❤️❤️
https://www.instagram.com/p/B6wStmvATUx/
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Our condolences to Jayden and the rest of the Short family.
Sad to hear...
All the best Jayden and family.
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Yep most certainly condolences to Short and family.
But in a footy sense his off field circumstances should not detract from what he offers on the footy field or when we talk about his footy.
As nice as i can put put his footy exploits is he is marginally better than Ellis.
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I was worried with him come finals will he go to water,but in every game he was very good.
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Yep most certainly condolences to Short and family.
But in a footy sense his off field circumstances should not detract from what he offers on the footy field or when we talk about his footy.
As nice as i can put put his footy exploits is he is marginally better than Ellis.
This is an absolute low blow. What happened in your personal life can absolutely have a knock on effect with someone’s footy ability. Rance struggles when he had a stalker, Sam Jacobs had an average game after his brother died. I think it’s pee poor you throw in a token “my condolences” statement then follow up with “Jayden is poo and he’s marginally better than Ellis “
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Yep most certainly condolences to Short and family.
But in a footy sense his off field circumstances should not detract from what he offers on the footy field or when we talk about his footy.
As nice as i can put put his footy exploits is he is marginally better than Ellis.
This is an absolute low blow. What happened in your personal life can absolutely have a knock on effect with someone’s footy ability. Rance struggles when he had a stalker, Sam Jacobs had an average game after his brother died. I think it’s pee poor you throw in a token “my condolences” statement then follow up with “Jayden is poo and he’s marginally better than Ellis “
LMFAO So people arent capable of making the distinction between personal life and football.And you shouldnt make that distinction when they are going thru a tough time in their personal lives. FMD bud give it a break.
I dont know anyone who wouldnt sympathise with anyone in shorts position. But for the life of me i cant see how that should change a persons opinion of them as a player.
Short is no kid hes what 24 been around awhile and what is wrong with his game has always been there.
What has happened in his life is unfortunate but we all at some time go thru it and it doesnt magically make him a better or worse footballer.
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we’ve just won a premiership, Jayden short has lost his dad and you are the first one to come out of the woodwork and pot him and say he’s a poo player.
That’s The poocidiot behaviour I’m calling you out on. Any reasonable person would just send condolences and leave it at that but you and only you think it’s a good idea to pot him straight off the bat
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we’ve just won a premiership, Jayden short has lost his dad and you are the first one to come out of the woodwork and pot him and say he’s a poo player.
That’s The Poocidiot behaviour I’m calling you out on. Any reasonable person would just send condolences and leave it at that but you and only you think it’s a good idea to pot him straight off the bat
Talk about a freakin pussy harden up precious, its a footy forum you do understand what that means, a place where we comment on their footy which has nothing to do with their private lives. Last time looked thru this thread it was about footy.
So we are talking about his football and if you get cut up because people make comments on his football that you cant handle maybe you should stay of the forum. plenty have criticised him open your eyes.
As stated i sympathise with his situation but that situation does not alter my opinion of him as a player and nor should it. Talk about Poocidiot behavior your acting like a scalded child who cant get his way.
Im not here to talk about their private lives i have no interest in them only interested in them as players and im honest about it. im here to comment on the way they play footy and you can like it or lump it
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Best kick in the team and is a real weapon across half back.
Only really seen him play one stinker - unfortunately that was the prelim in 2018.
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Not even close to being our best kick. Don't think most of you notice where 30% of his kicks end up
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He had a great run with his kicking in 2018, kicks both feet and is a very nice shot for goal.
Not sure he always makes the best decisions, particularly under pressure and frankly wonder if we’d get more if he played up forward
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Not even close to being our best kick. Don't think most of you notice where 30% of his kicks end up
Easily our best kick.
Admittedly it was down a bit after his injury this year but his previous 3 or 4 years have shown he is.
In 2018 his kicking was as good as anyone on the comp.
And also one of the best “two sided” players in the league.
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Not even close to being our best kick. Don't think most of you notice where 30% of his kicks end up
Easily our best kick.
Admittedly it was down a bit after his injury this year but his previous 3 or 4 years have shown he is.
In 2018 his kicking was as good as anyone on the comp.
And also one of the best “two sided” players in the league.
Had a shocker in both finals though BT and probably didn’t fully recover in 19
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Not even close to being our best kick. Don't think most of you notice where 30% of his kicks end up
Easily our best kick.
Admittedly it was down a bit after his injury this year but his previous 3 or 4 years have shown he is.
In 2018 his kicking was as good as anyone on the comp.
And also one of the best “two sided” players in the league.
Had a shocker in both finals though BT and probably didn’t fully recover in 19
Playing average in the 2018 finals series don’t make him any less a great kick??
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Lots of blokes failed in the 2018 finals series. Team was out of puff. Doesn't mean they're no good!
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Not even close to being our best kick. Don't think most of you notice where 30% of his kicks end up
So that is a 70% disposal efficiency by foot that makes him elite in the AFL.
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Magnificent by foot and clearly the best in the best team in the comp :shh
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Heres a novel idea how about we go out and find a small backman who can actually defend an opponent. Who can win a bit of ball for himself, who isnt almost entirely reliant on his teammates getting it to him. Who can provide run, make good decisions with ball in hand not neccesarily having to be a great kick but use it well.A player who doesnt panic a player who will accept a bit of contact when needed a player who lets opponents know he is about the place.
But that would mean a premiership player in Short wont play, but wait fmd hes got a great kick on him we cant contemplate looking for a more rounded option with that in mind.
Everyone talking this joker up he really is a glass half full.
What ive seen of DE-S he looks a far better more rounded defender than Short. Stack jumps out at ya and if Picketts history is anything to go by he would make a great h/b at senior level.
Options we have plenty the question is are they better options than the glass half full one we play.
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Heres a novel idea how about we go out and find a small backman who can actually defend an opponent. Who can win a bit of ball for himself, who isnt almost entirely reliant on his teammates getting it to him. Who can provide run, make good decisions with ball in hand not neccesarily having to be a great kick but use it well.A player who doesnt panic a player who will accept a bit of contact when needed a player who lets opponents know he is about the place.
But that would mean a premiership player in Short wont play, but wait fmd hes got a great kick on him we cant contemplate looking for a more rounded option with that in mind.
Everyone talking this joker up he really is a glass half full.
What ive seen of DE-S he looks a far better more rounded defender than Short. Stack jumps out at ya and if Picketts history is anything to go by he would make a great h/b at senior level.
Options we have plenty the question is are they better options than the glass half full one we play.
On his exposed AFL form, there is no way DES is a more rounded defender than Short. DES is level headed with ball in hand but he couldn't win a 1 on 1 to save himself last year. He needs a lot of work on his defensive ability and, plus, he's a god kick but not an elite kick like Short.
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Heres a novel idea how about we go out and find a small backman who can actually defend an opponent. Who can win a bit of ball for himself, who isnt almost entirely reliant on his teammates getting it to him. Who can provide run, make good decisions with ball in hand not neccesarily having to be a great kick but use it well.A player who doesnt panic a player who will accept a bit of contact when needed a player who lets opponents know he is about the place.
But that would mean a premiership player in Short wont play, but wait fmd hes got a great kick on him we cant contemplate looking for a more rounded option with that in mind.
Everyone talking this joker up he really is a glass half full.
What ive seen of DE-S he looks a far better more rounded defender than Short. Stack jumps out at ya and if Picketts history is anything to go by he would make a great h/b at senior level.
Options we have plenty the question is are they better options than the glass half full one we play.
Claw - DES does have potential however is a long way from the level Short has achieved. I think the comments regards to Shot not being able to defend are way of the mark. Sure, this is not his greatest strength however it doesn't need to be as he compliments the current back 7 beautifully. BTW have you seen DES play live? To fully ascertain a players true ability, i believe you must see them play live on multiple occasions. You see things the TV doesn't.
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Heres a novel idea how about we go out and find a small backman who can actually defend an opponent. Who can win a bit of ball for himself, who isnt almost entirely reliant on his teammates getting it to him. Who can provide run, make good decisions with ball in hand not neccesarily having to be a great kick but use it well.A player who doesnt panic a player who will accept a bit of contact when needed a player who lets opponents know he is about the place.
But that would mean a premiership player in Short wont play, but wait fmd hes got a great kick on him we cant contemplate looking for a more rounded option with that in mind.
Everyone talking this joker up he really is a glass half full.
What ive seen of DE-S he looks a far better more rounded defender than Short. Stack jumps out at ya and if Picketts history is anything to go by he would make a great h/b at senior level.
Options we have plenty the question is are they better options than the glass half full one we play.
Claw - DES does have potential however is a long way from the level Short has achieved. I think the comments regards to Shot not being able to defend are way of the mark. Sure, this is not his greatest strength however it doesn't need to be as he compliments the current back 7 beautifully. BTW have you seen DES play live? To fully ascertain a players true ability, i believe you must see them play live on multiple occasions. You see things the TV doesn't.
Nope havent seen him live but what i have seen tele highlights etc i really like.He looks composed doesnt panic in traffic intercepts real well will get a bit of ball for himself at least competes one v one makes good decisions with the ball and his kicking is good enough.
For me all Short offers is a good boot its not enough and thats not to mention other issues i have with him.
The best small fwd we have atm is Stack and we choose to play him else where to accomodate players like Short is laughable.
Marlion Pickett is another.
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Heres a novel idea how about we go out and find a small backman who can actually defend an opponent. Who can win a bit of ball for himself, who isnt almost entirely reliant on his teammates getting it to him. Who can provide run, make good decisions with ball in hand not neccesarily having to be a great kick but use it well.A player who doesnt panic a player who will accept a bit of contact when needed a player who lets opponents know he is about the place.
But that would mean a premiership player in Short wont play, but wait fmd hes got a great kick on him we cant contemplate looking for a more rounded option with that in mind.
Everyone talking this joker up he really is a glass half full.
What ive seen of DE-S he looks a far better more rounded defender than Short. Stack jumps out at ya and if Picketts history is anything to go by he would make a great h/b at senior level.
Options we have plenty the question is are they better options than the glass half full one we play.
Claw - DES does have potential however is a long way from the level Short has achieved. I think the comments regards to Shot not being able to defend are way of the mark. Sure, this is not his greatest strength however it doesn't need to be as he compliments the current back 7 beautifully. BTW have you seen DES play live? To fully ascertain a players true ability, i believe you must see them play live on multiple occasions. You see things the TV doesn't.
Nope havent seen him live but what i have seen tele highlights etc i really like.He looks composed doesnt panic in traffic intercepts real well will get a bit of ball for himself at least competes one v one makes good decisions with the ball and his kicking is good enough.
For me all Short offers is a good boot its not enough and thats not to mention other issues i have with him.
The best small fwd we have atm is Stack and we choose to play him else where to accomodate players like Short is laughable.
Marlion Pickett is another.
"Laughable" :lol Yes they truly have NFI down at the RFC. If only you were running the show, then we might actually have a chance at some success!
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Egg looked ok against the Gold Coast, but a week later (GWS?) he looked way out of his depth.
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Egg looked ok against the Gold Coast, but a week later (GWS?) he looked way out of his depth.
Yep it was GWS and yes was way out his depth.
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I think jayden is harshly judged. Hes not top notch but he goes ok for his role.
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They need to bag someone :shh
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The teammate who inspired Short’s Richmond breakthrough
By Andrew Slevison
SEN
4 March 2020
Jayden Short is forever indebted to Richmond teammate Kane Lambert.
The pair were both selected by the Tigers in the 2015 rookie draft and over the course of the last few seasons, have become vital players in the yellow and black.
Lambert has played in two premierships while Short endured 2017 heartache, missing out on the flag, which was the catalyst for his personal redemption.
“It hurt me a fair bit. I’d seen how good it was for the 22 players,” he said on SEN Breakfast.
“I just wanted to be a part of everything the Richmond Football Club was involved in.
“I set myself a goal to try and play every game and make myself a lock in the team.”
The 24-year-old would quickly force his way into the Richmond side in 2018 before playing in last year’s Grand Final demolition of GWS after recovering from an elbow injury sustained early in the 2019 season.
How that breakthrough came about was largely due to the influence of Lambert, who had been frequently overlooked before getting his chance at the age of 23.
“I lived with Kane Lambert for two-and-a-half years I saw how hard he had to work,” Short added.
“I was only a 19 or 20-year-old kid and you tell yourself, ‘It will happen, just give it a bit of time’, but the harder you work the luckier you get.
“That’s the motto Kane lived off. I just strived to do everything he did and trained the way he did, eat what he ate and just lived the lifestyle he lived.
“It paid off in the end and I’m very grateful for him.”
Short and Lambert took an off-season trip to Vietnam, but such is their diligence to continue improving, there was not much downtime as they went about preparing for the club's 2020 title defence.
“With Kane it can sort of go anywhere when you are training,” Short said further.
“It could go from a 10km session to a 15km session pretty quick. You just don’t ask questions, you just do what he does. He’s got that persona. I just love hanging around with him.
“The way he goes about his footy and his life is just amazing, so I was lucky to live with him and to learn from him.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/03/04/the-teammate-who-inspired-shorts-richmond-breakthrough/
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On the tools: Premiership Tiger turns to the worksite
By Mitch Cleary
afl.com.au
4 April 2020
RICHMOND fans keep your eyes peeled; premiership defender Jayden Short is coming to a home near you.
The 24-year-old has turned to life as a local footballer, combining his shutdown training load with working four days a week as a carpenter.
Less than a fortnight after playing in the Tigers' round one win over Carlton, Short has joined a former schoolmate on the tools after being forced away from the club.
With games off until at least May 31, players across the AFL are dispersing to part-time work before they are recalled to training – a move that will come four weeks before a return to play is announced.
Short has opted to put into action a carpentry apprenticeship he gained in a program via the Tigers in recent years.
"I'm doing four days this week with a mate of mine, he's out on his own," Short told AFL.com.au this week.
"He probably doesn't need me but he's giving me a chop-out with some work which is really good of him.
"We're doing anything that needs to be done, hanging some doors, putting a roof on a pergola. It's been good not just being tied down at one house."
Drafted as a rookie ahead of 2015, Short has quickly become one of the Tigers' most damaging backmen after narrowly missing selection for the 2017 flag.
And after leading the competition in metres gained in 2018, he tasted he tasted premiership success for the first time last year.
But that's quickly forgotten on the worksite.
"You definitely become a lot more grateful for what we've got playing football, I tell you what, not having to wake up at 5.30am every morning," he said.
"We get to go to the club, everything's there, lunch is served for us.
"Even preparing your lunch the night before it's something different and I'm enjoying that at the moment.
"I actually had a Thai green curry for lunch on Thursday. Have been going with tuna, salmon, rice and stuff like that. I haven't really gone down the tradie lunches just yet."
Once the work day is done, Short clicks back into football mode, completing three running and skills sessions a week with teammate – and fellow builder – Kamdyn McIntosh who has been working on Tiger Jason Castagna's house.
"It's obviously a bit different, working a full day on the tools and then have to bust your arse and continue to stay fit," he said.
"It gives you more appreciation for what our VFL boys do and the local footballers."
When he's not making a midweek pork roast, Short is attending to the gym circuit and stationary bike he's set up in his bungalow.
And then there's the all-in teleconference chats via 'Zoom' to check in on what his Tiger teammates are up to.
The bonus – housemate and premiership teammate Liam Baker has vacated and returned home to regional WA to give him a bit more breathing space away from the tools.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/390742/on-the-tools-premiership-tiger-turns-to-the-worksite
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Short another with huge metres gained tonight - 577m. Also had a perfect record by hand and foot.
23 disposals @ 100% efficiency
4 marks
2 inside 50s
6 intercepts
6 score involvements
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:clapping :clapping
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:lol
Some would have you believe he’s a turnover merchant and a sideways kicker.
I think he’s a solid contributor most games.
Excellent game tonight.
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LMAO when were commentators were applauding him for going hard in the contest and it turned out it was Aarts.... :shh
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Lol. 23 at 100% and Dio still finds a way to bag him.
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Not really... just thought that was an amusing moment... :shh
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Not really... just thought that was an amusing moment... :shh
Didn’t they both commit hard to that contest?
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Well Short was....there.... :shh
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:lol
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Absolutely pure game from Short. In sensational form and no. 1 for meters gained. His leg both left and right are lethal :shh
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His stepping it up this year bigtime having a great year.
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Played really well last night.
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The bloke's a gun.
His ball use and run is elite.
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Taking players on more too which I like. Quite agile
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For once an actual real live good game instead an imaginary mass hallucination of one... :clapping
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The bloke's a gun.
His ball use and run is elite.
:clapping
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The bloke's a gun.
His ball use and run is elite.
:clapping
:clapping
its a yes for me too.
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Short was the only Tiger to rack up 20+ possies last night:
23 disposals ( 13k, 10h, 6c, 15u, 82.6% eff.)
8 marks
2 clearances
439 metres gained
2 inside 50s
5 intercepts
1 tackle
2 score involvements
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Short is #2 in the AFL for metres gained this year (behind Crow Brodie Smith). Jayden is averaging 461m gained per game.
https://issuu.com/lifestyle1-media/docs/afl_record_-_round_17__2020/1?ff
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400 metres are kick-ins... :shh
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Of the top 10 players in the AFL averaging most kicks, Jayden has the best kicking efficiency. 13.8 kicks per game at 84.2%.
He's also still in the top 3 for metres gained averaging 465m.
https://issuu.com/lifestyle1-media/docs/afl_record_-_round_18__2020/1?ff
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Not bad for a dud haha
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Not bad for a dud haha
Who cant kick :lol
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The truly laughable thing is how many people only read stats and clearly don't watch yet still don't understand how those stats they cite work anyway... :lol :shh
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Long kicks = efficient disposals according to champion data. Kick ins are disposals these days. Metres gained...half are from his kick ins.
So there's his bulked up disposal efficiency stat, total kicks & metres gained explained :)
Yes, he has played some reasonable football at times but let's not overrate the guy. Would jump out of the way if Brave Brando was storming towards him let me tell you....:shh
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Gets the kick in duty due to being an elite kick and fast thinker. He is an enormous weapon who would walk into every other team me thinks. Agree he is not the toughest at the man but has improved in this area. Some ex senior coach has called him the most underrated player in the comp :shh
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Gets the kick in duty due to being an elite kick and fast thinker. He is an enormous weapon who would walk into every other team me thinks. Agree he is not the toughest at the man but has improved in this area. Some ex senior coach has called him the most underrated player in the comp :shh
I agree. He’s become a very good player
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Just like night follows day, you can bank on dio and AT taking a shot at short whenever something positive is posted....
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Short for mine is used like a goalkeeper's kicking in Soccer. It's not just about hoofing the ball from deep defence but about distributing the ball as precisely as possible.
I think tactically we also like having long kickers out of our backline such as Short and Balta. They can kick beyond the offensive press if the opposition pushes up and we can get goals over the back.
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Short for mine is used like a goalkeeper's kicking in Soccer. It's not just about hoofing the ball from deep defence but about distributing the ball as precisely as possible.
I think tactically we also like having long kickers out of our backline such as Short and Balta. They can kick beyond the offensive press if the opposition pushes up and we can get goals over the back.
X2.
Broad is hard at the man. Don't see the critics leaving snail trails over him.
Finding the perfect player is difficult, hard at the man and ball, sublime skills both sides, great footy brain etc.
Even our best players are not that complete. Cotch hard at the ball and man, poor disposal. Dusty hard at the ball, less the man, disposal can go either way. Lynch hard at the ball and man, shanks easy ones.
Honestly the only good players we have that tick all the boxes are probably Grimes and Vlastuin.
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Shorty is a very valuable player in our side. He is an elite kick on both sides and runs and rebounds well from our defence.
He is the perfect HBF in today game IMO, especially with team defence and not too many one on one contests.
I truely cannot see where the criticism comes from.
Anyway, we all see it differently.... and a perfect example of this is, I would play Markov over Houli across halfback in this shortened form of the game, even more so with Dave Astbury in the side.
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Another damaging game from Jayden off half-back. Our third highest disposal getter as well.
20 disposals (17k, 3h, 5c, 15u, 80% eff.)
7 marks
1 tackle
6 intercepts
2 inside 50s
4 score involvements
491m gained
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Excellent again
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Jayden Short
Used the ball very well for the most part, which meant a lot given he went by foot for the most part. Got a heap of the footy.
Rating: 7
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-finals-2020-richmond-player-ratings-vs-brisbane-lions-second-qualifying-final-reviews-stats-tigers-best-and-worst-players/news-story/156df1b76297836ac1f12af8237ff86c)
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Jayden Short
The dasher did what he does best, running off from his opponents and pumping the ball long down the ground.
Rating: 6
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-finals-2020-richmond-player-ratings-vs-st-kilda-second-semi-final-reviews-stats-best-and-worst-players/news-story/afdeaa6b7f13cced41d21c91e03b900e)
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I reckon he's getting better defensively.
Still not his strength, but I see him winning more contests these days.
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Jayden Short
Had the 14 touches at 43 per cent efficiency. Six turnovers but also had the seven intercept possessions and 12 kicks.
Rating: 6
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-finals-2020-richmond-player-ratings-vs-port-adelaide-first-preliminary-final-reviews-stats-best-and-worst-players/news-story/5a240d072bb6873234eb176397899eaf)
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Similar to Broad- started slow in my mind but got better throughout the game. Really like Short and what he brings to the team :thumbsup
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Awesome game from Shorty tonight to top off a great season :clapping. A whopping 772 metres gained :o. Didn't shirk the physical contests either. Deserved his 2nd place in the Norm Smith voting.
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Dio has zero clue
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Credit where credits due, played a blinder. :clapping
Dio has zero clue
How'd your hero Dangerflog go? LMAO :shh
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Amazing game to cap off a great season. We all know he’s a gun rebounder but the defensive and contested side of his game has lifted big time this season. Unlucky to miss the first premiership but is now a 2 time premiership player :clapping
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Jayden Short – 8
Finished second in the Norm Smith voting, which would have raised eyebrows before the game began, but played all four quarters well. Was smart and creative with his ball use, with eight intercepts and six score involvements, playing from half-back.
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/521174/tigers-player-ratings-no-passengers-on-the-tiger-train)
Jayden Short
Was Richmond’s leading ball winner at half-time with 14 touches, but had a few turnovers. Laid a strong tackle on Blicavs when the Cats were hunting momentum after a Tigers surge in the third, standing up. With 25 touches and seven inside 50s, it was one of Short’s best games in the yellow and black.
Rating: 9
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-grand-final-2020-richmond-vs-geelong-dustin-martin-player-ratings-tigers-stats-best-and-worst-players-afl-finals-gabba/news-story/2c23bd9c6b85150e3f828938dc9c0006)
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His on another level now his game has improved dramatically.
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Defensive work has improved out of sight.
Well deserved. Great player.
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Was his best game for the club imo.
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If it wasn't for some bloke called Dusty
This bloke would have won the Norm Smith IMHO
Was his best game for the club imo.
Absolutely
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I reckon he's getting better defensively.
Still not his strength, but I see him winning more contests these days.
:snidegrin
:bow
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Was excellent thoughout the whole game.
771 metres gained 6 tackles shows his impact on the field.
Leigh Matthews just said his two votes was supposed to be to Short and not Broad.
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Clear 2nd best on ground. Did Blight actually watch the game?
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Best game for the club. Stood up in a really tough game. His disposal was a highlight
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Short not only had a whopping 43 disposals but he also racked up 958 metres gained (almost a km) :o.
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On ya Shorty :clapping.
McKay :stupid :lol
(https://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/450/2021/03/18/817335.jpg) (https://twitter.com/AFL/status/1372494878911819776)
Click to watch: https://twitter.com/AFL/status/1372494878911819776
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He really has turned into a gun. The run he provides off half back has always been great but the defensive side of his game has improved heaps starting from last season.
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Jayden Short was on SEN this arvo with Bob Murphy and Andy Maher:
Listen here: https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=814717
It was mentioned in the interview that some at the club see Short as a future captain.
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It's Short's 100th on Friday night :clapping.
2016 16
2017 16
2018 24
2019 15 ..... premiership
2020 21 ..... premiership
2021 8*
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Total 100* games
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/J/Jayden_Short.html
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Jayden Short is one of only three rookie-list players to have gone on and become a Best and Fairest winner at their club in a premiership year (Sydney’s Brett Kirk and Hawthorn’s Josh Gibson are the other two).
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/928820/short-reaching-lofty-heights-at-tigerland
Career highlights: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/928995/100-games-for-short
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Jayden "Elite Kick" Short..escaping criticism as usual... :shh :whistle
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Disappointing this year for me.
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From St Kilda's website:
On the radar
While the likes of Shai Bolton, Dustin Martin and Jack Riewoldt may dominate discussion, don’t look past the impact Jayden Short has for Richmond.
The 105-game Tiger currently leads his club in disposals, effective kicks, meters gained, marks, uncontested possessions and rebound 50s.
He sits at third in the AFL for rebound 50s, fourth for total kicks and fifth for effective kicks.
In fact, Short has not dropped under 20 disposals once in 2021 and is a key part of Richmond’s ability to be able to transfer the footy from defence into attack.
https://www.saints.com.au/news/963372/match-preview-friday-night-saints-look-to-tame-tigers-at-the-g
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Am I right in thinking he hasn’t nailed a long bomb in ages?
He should stop calling from then.
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"elite kick" :biglaugh :biglaugh :biglaugh
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Am I right in thinking he hasn’t nailed a long bomb in ages?
He should stop calling from then.
Yep. Selfish prick
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Am I right in thinking he hasn’t nailed a long bomb in ages?
He should stop calling from then.
Yep. Selfish prick
Wonder why they don't tell him to FO. Jack and George...two forwards passing to a defender for a shot. I mean what the F
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Another player drinking his own bath water
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"elite kick" :biglaugh :biglaugh :biglaugh
:biglaugh :biglaugh :biglaugh :biglaugh :biglaugh :biglaugh
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:shh
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Like I said all our good ordinary players will now just look ordinary.
The system is done our players are too old and Hocking has got his wish.
The only consolation is that the cats won’t win it with their controlled possession game.
If they play fast they might but I don’t reckon that will.
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Adam Kingsley's comment on Short:
"His ability to run and break the lines with both running and bouncing, but also the length of his kick, is really important to our back six. He's been in reasonable form, probably not at the same level as last year when he won our Best and Fairest, but he's still been really serviceable for us and he was really good against Brisbane last Friday night."
Source: RFC website (https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/984007/coaches-corner-round-18-review)
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Continues to escape the blow torch. I suppose no one wants to acknowledge exactly what he is. A sheep dog comes to mind. exclusively outside doesnt like contact struggles to defend panic merchant but hey he can kick not.
Not a thing has changed over the duration but i suppose hes a premiership player and as such cannot be criticised.
Im actually gob smacked still that they valued what he does so much that they actually gave him a best and fairest award.
He is absolutely nothing with out others getting it out to him and he loses all value if he kicks poorly.
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Yes mate because teams need a balance of both inside and outside players and half back flankers are generally valued for their outside work….
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Disgraceful kicking at times this year
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Continues to escape the blow torch. I suppose no one wants to acknowledge exactly what he is. A sheep dog comes to mind. exclusively outside doesnt like contact struggles to defend panic merchant but hey he can kick not.
Not a thing has changed over the duration but i suppose hes a premiership player and as such cannot be criticised.
Im actually gob smacked still that they valued what he does so much that they actually gave him a best and fairest award.
He is absolutely nothing with out others getting it out to him and he loses all value if he kicks poorly.
Claw, i mainly struggle with most of your comments and this is no exception. All i can do is shake my head at the constant negativity.
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Disgraceful kicking at times this year
"Elite" at hitting up the opposition... :shh
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What’s really disappointed me this year is his beyond 50 shots at goal have been rubbish to us year
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7bTCjnVUAAQ4sL?format=jpg&name=medium)
https://twitter.com/AFL/status/1420555810082476034
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Shorty practising drop kick goals.
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1426102931888033792
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What’s really disappointed me this year is his beyond 50 shots at goal have been rubbish to us year
He didn’t hit them last year either.
Really hasn't nailed one for ages IMO.
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If only his kicking was actually as elite as the level of overrating of him has been... :shh
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If only his kicking was actually as elite as the level of overrating of him has been... :shh
His kicking is magnificent as is his running ability :shh
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If only his kicking was actually as elite as the level of overrating of him has been... :shh
His kicking is magnificent as is his running ability :shh
Hope people heard what Leppa said about Short :shh
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Short is type to trade we have plenty like him.
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If only his kicking was actually as elite as the level of overrating of him has been... :shh
His kicking is magnificent as is his running ability :shh
Hope people heard what Leppa said about Short :shh
If only you actually watched him play instead of just listening to platitudes based on the previous season... :shh :shh
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Didn’t get a chance to watch the game. What did leppa say?
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Short is type to trade we have plenty like him.
If we were smart we'd sell high.... :shh
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If only his kicking was actually as elite as the level of overrating of him has been... :shh
His kicking is magnificent as is his running ability :shh
Hope people heard what Leppa said about Short :shh
If only you actually watched him play instead of just listening to platitudes based on the previous season... :shh :shh
I actually do watch.
And I agree with Leppa. ;D
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Short does run all day. Think he's the type of player that looks really good in a good team but in a struggling team looks really ordinary. A bit like Bolton too.
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If only his kicking was actually as elite as the level of overrating of him has been... :shh
His kicking is magnificent as is his running ability :shh
Hope people heard what Leppa said about Short :shh
If only you actually watched him play instead of just listening to platitudes based on the previous season... :shh :shh
I actually do watch.
And I agree with Leppa. ;D
So you've watched this year and yet you apparently somehow haven't noticed all the kicks either going straight to an opposition player or to their advantage, to an opposition outnumber , to no-one in particular or out on the full?. :shh
Short does run all day. Think he's the type of player that looks really good in a good team but in a struggling team looks really ordinary. A bit like Bolton too.
Think that's known by the same name as certain marquee event at the Winter Olympics... :shh :shh
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Short does run all day. Think he's the type of player that looks really good in a good team but in a struggling team looks really ordinary. A bit like Bolton too.
We've got a few that fall into that category
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJ2j3BKaAAI1Jtj?format=jpg&name=large)
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1485523856383426566
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FMD i prefer Brandon Ellis to this bloke now thats saying something.
It really peees me off when you have dumb arse tiger supporters lapping up every single thing the club puts out and come to the conclusion that this sheep dog is crucial to us. Just like Ellis was crucial to us i suppose.
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Comparing Short and Brandon “night light” Ellis is a bit silly.
The coaching staff obviously see something in the man considering he won a best and fairest
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Ellis wasn't far off winning one either. Seen him put in more courageous efforts than Short steps if we want to define them by the size of their aggots
Neither of which would be the largest going round
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FMD i prefer Brandon Ellis to this bloke now thats saying something.
It really peees me off when you have dumb arse tiger supporters lapping up every single thing the club puts out and come to the conclusion that this sheep dog is crucial to us. Just like Ellis was crucial to us i suppose.
So winning a B&F in a Premiership year is not good enough in your eyes? Really poor post Claw. The same "numb arse" supporters would say the same about your posts- they are dumb arse!
Why can't you be positive about our players?
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Gee the bloke had a poor 2021.
Most of them did.
Before that he was elite and raked in plenty of Norm votes too. In fact once you take out lethals stuff up I think short would have polled 8 in 2020. That's worth something.
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Shorty needs to get back to his 2020 footy or it’s curtains. His attributes aren’t nearly as effective when he’s coasting through his game which is how it appeared in 2021. Maybe he was injured.
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FMD i prefer Brandon Ellis to this bloke now thats saying something.
It really peees me off when you have dumb arse tiger supporters lapping up every single thing the club puts out and come to the conclusion that this sheep dog is crucial to us. Just like Ellis was crucial to us i suppose.
So winning a B&F in a Premiership year is not good enough in your eyes? Really poor post Claw. The same "numb arse" supporters would say the same about your posts- they are dumb arse!
Why can't you be positive about our players?
Machine, I enjoy Claws posts, don’t always agree but that is a forum based discussion for you.
You could have made your point without the vitriol….’just saying, s’all’
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FMD i prefer Brandon Ellis to this bloke now thats saying something.
It really peees me off when you have dumb arse tiger supporters lapping up every single thing the club puts out and come to the conclusion that this sheep dog is crucial to us. Just like Ellis was crucial to us i suppose.
So winning a B&F in a Premiership year is not good enough in your eyes? Really poor post Claw. The same "numb arse" supporters would say the same about your posts- they are dumb arse!
Why can't you be positive about our players?
Machine, I enjoy Claws posts, don’t always agree but that is a forum based discussion for you.
You could have made your point without the vitriol….’just saying, s’all’
I think it's the constant negative language he uses about supporters and the players in his posts that upsets people. Using "dumb arse" and "sheep dog" insults in one sentence is a typical example. Having a view is fine but that stuff in not necessary. We know he can be positive , just read his review of the round one Carlton team. Would be nice if he could for once be a positive about Tigers and us "dumb arse" supporters.
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FMD i prefer Brandon Ellis to this bloke now thats saying something.
It really peees me off when you have dumb arse tiger supporters lapping up every single thing the club puts out and come to the conclusion that this sheep dog is crucial to us. Just like Ellis was crucial to us i suppose.
Fair call, maybe everyone should modify negative derogative comments👍🏿👍🏿
So winning a B&F in a Premiership year is not good enough in your eyes? Really poor post Claw. The same "numb arse" supporters would say the same about your posts- they are dumb arse!
Why can't you be positive about our players?
Machine, I enjoy Claws posts, don’t always agree but that is a forum based discussion for you.
You could have made your point without the vitriol….’just saying, s’all’
I think it's the constant negative language he uses about supporters and the players in his posts that upsets people. Using "dumb arse" and "sheep dog" insults in one sentence is a typical example. Having a view is fine but that stuff in not necessary. We know he can be positive , just read his review of the round one Carlton team. Would be nice if he could for once be a positive about Tigers and us "dumb arse" supporters.
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FMD i prefer Brandon Ellis to this bloke now thats saying something.
It really peees me off when you have dumb arse tiger supporters lapping up every single thing the club puts out and come to the conclusion that this sheep dog is crucial to us. Just like Ellis was crucial to us i suppose.
So winning a B&F in a Premiership year is not good enough in your eyes? Really poor post Claw. The same "numb arse" supporters would say the same about your posts- they are dumb arse!
Why can't you be positive about our players?
Machine, I enjoy Claws posts, don’t always agree but that is a forum based discussion for you.
You could have made your point without the vitriol….’just saying, s’all’
I think it's the constant negative language he uses about supporters and the players in his posts that upsets people. Using "dumb arse" and "sheep dog" insults in one sentence is a typical example. Having a view is fine but that stuff in not necessary. We know he can be positive , just read his review of the round one Carlton team. Would be nice if he could for once be a positive about Tigers and us "dumb arse" supporters.
So he won a b&f in 2020 that actually equated to just 3 brownlow votes even the idiot umps saw him for what he is.
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FMD i prefer Brandon Ellis to this bloke now thats saying something.
It really peees me off when you have dumb arse tiger supporters lapping up every single thing the club puts out and come to the conclusion that this sheep dog is crucial to us. Just like Ellis was crucial to us i suppose.
So winning a B&F in a Premiership year is not good enough in your eyes? Really poor post Claw. The same "numb arse" supporters would say the same about your posts- they are dumb arse!
Why can't you be positive about our players?
Machine, I enjoy Claws posts, don’t always agree but that is a forum based discussion for you.
You could have made your point without the vitriol….’just saying, s’all’
I think it's the constant negative language he uses about supporters and the players in his posts that upsets people. Using "dumb arse" and "sheep dog" insults in one sentence is a typical example. Having a view is fine but that stuff in not necessary. We know he can be positive , just read his review of the round one Carlton team. Would be nice if he could for once be a positive about Tigers and us "dumb arse" supporters.
So he won a b&f in 2020 that actually equated to just 3 brownlow votes even the idiot umps saw him for what he is.
Pot, Kettle, Black. 😁
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FMD i prefer Brandon Ellis to this bloke now thats saying something.
It really peees me off when you have dumb arse tiger supporters lapping up every single thing the club puts out and come to the conclusion that this sheep dog is crucial to us. Just like Ellis was crucial to us i suppose.
So winning a B&F in a Premiership year is not good enough in your eyes? Really poor post Claw. The same "numb arse" supporters would say the same about your posts- they are dumb arse!
Why can't you be positive about our players?
Machine, I enjoy Claws posts, don’t always agree but that is a forum based discussion for you.
You could have made your point without the vitriol….’just saying, s’all’
I think it's the constant negative language he uses about supporters and the players in his posts that upsets people. Using "dumb arse" and "sheep dog" insults in one sentence is a typical example. Having a view is fine but that stuff in not necessary. We know he can be positive , just read his review of the round one Carlton team. Would be nice if he could for once be a positive about Tigers and us "dumb arse" supporters.
So he won a b&f in 2020 that actually equated to just 3 brownlow votes even the idiot umps saw him for what he is.
Sorry Claw you're out of touch with this one :shh
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So he won a b&f in 2020 that actually equated to just 3 brownlow votes even the idiot umps saw him for what he is.
Do you rate Grimes?
He's won a B&F and doesn't get Brownlow votes
So I'd suggest your flimsy argument doesn't exactly hold
Unless of course you only apply it to players you don't like
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So he won a b&f in 2020 that actually equated to just 3 brownlow votes even the idiot umps saw him for what he is.
Do you rate Grimes?
He's won a B&F and doesn't get Brownlow votes
So I'd suggest your flimsy argument doesn't exactly hold
Unless of course you only apply it to players you don't like
Truth WP
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So he won a b&f in 2020 that actually equated to just 3 brownlow votes even the idiot umps saw him for what he is.
Do you rate Grimes?
He's won a B&F and doesn't get Brownlow votes
So I'd suggest your flimsy argument doesn't exactly hold
Unless of course you only apply it to players you don't like
Players i dont like you bet ya i cant stand totally soft totally outside blokes whose skills are over rated.Everyone knows i disliked Ellis as a player enormously and the same applies to Short. They are exactly alike.
I find the oh he won a b&f or he came top 5 or whatever a flimsy argument in itself. So why not apply a flimsy reply to it.
But hey of course you wouln't see it for that.
For the record as you well know Grimes is a totally different player to Short and players like him never poll well.
Yet blokes who get a whole pile of ball and run and supposedly bounce and supposedly use it well should at least get some, yet Short has polled just 4 in his career.
Th obvious truth is Grimes unlike Short is critical and is almost irreplaceable. To say Short is not critical and can be replaced easily is what this is all about and it seems it gets up peoples noses.
Short like Ellis and even Houli are afforded roles that an awful lot can turn their hand to.
We will struggle to replace in fact cant really replace players like Martin, Cotchin, Prestia, Riewoldt Lynch Grimes Nankervis Vlastuin
But Short!!! well we found a better player who was much maligned in just 5 games last year in Rioli.
Most don't like to talk about the poor disposal, the soft efforts the lack of tackling the lack of hard ball even the lack of line breaking that many talk him up about. The lack of one percenters and on it goes. But hey his mates get it out to him an awful lot and that makes him a gun lol.
No i don't like him i cannot abide squibs. IMO he is very much replaceable a B&F or not and nothing will change that.
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So he won a b&f in 2020 that actually equated to just 3 brownlow votes even the idiot umps saw him for what he is.
Do you rate Grimes?
He's won a B&F and doesn't get Brownlow votes
So I'd suggest your flimsy argument doesn't exactly hold
Unless of course you only apply it to players you don't like
Players i dont like you bet ya i cant stand totally soft totally outside blokes whose skills are over rated.Everyone knows i disliked Ellis as a player enormously and the same applies to Short. They are exactly alike.
I find the oh he won a b&f or he came top 5 or whatever a flimsy argument in itself. So why not apply a flimsy reply to it.
But hey of course you wouln't see it for that.
For the record as you well know Grimes is a totally different player to Short and players like him never poll well.
Yet blokes who get a whole pile of ball and run and supposedly bounce and supposedly use it well should at least get some, yet Short has polled just 4 in his career.
Th obvious truth is Grimes unlike Short is critical and is almost irreplaceable. To say Short is not critical and can be replaced easily is what this is all about and it seems it gets up peoples noses.
Short like Ellis and even Houli are afforded roles that an awful lot can turn their hand to.
We will struggle to replace in fact cant really replace players like Martin, Cotchin, Prestia, Riewoldt Lynch Grimes Nankervis Vlastuin
But Short!!! well we found a better player who was much maligned in just 5 games last year in Rioli.
Most don't like to talk about the poor disposal, the soft efforts the lack of tackling the lack of hard ball even the lack of line breaking that many talk him up about. The lack of one percenters and on it goes. But hey his mates get it out to him an awful lot and that makes him a gun lol.
No i don't like him i cannot abide squibs. IMO he is very much replaceable a B&F or not and nothing will change that.
This is comedy gold. Claw you have your own personal opinion but in this instance you're delusional. Short in 2020 was rated inside the top 30 players in the comp- take a moment to think about that. Our full time professional coaching group rated him the best in a Premiership year- coaches who have been regarded the best in the business and the ones who have given us 3 Cups in the last 4 years. Move past your personal hate for Short and stop the nonsense posts and it is making you look petulant.
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Claw seems to dislike many of our players.
He also seems to dislike "dumb arse" tigers supporters.
Does he derive any joy from this club, or does he just get off on having strong opinions? ...
Is he even an RFC fan to begin with?....
:huh3
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Claw seems to dislike many of our players.
He also seems to dislike "dumb arse" tigers supporters.
Does he derive any joy from this club, or does he just get off on having strong opinions? ...
Is he even an RFC fan to begin with?....
Not just Claw methinks.
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Interesting conversation, it used to upset me that we bag our own but I try to just let it go now as it’s usually driven by anxiety .
All types of players make a great team, they can’t all be inside mids, balance is the key.
i don’t think anyone who plays at AFL level is a coward though, and if your a bit shorter you are told to keep out of packs but go hard when it’s your turn, which doesn’t mean you have to be a David Bourke 😁
Everyone’s entitled to an opinion , we may agree with them sometimes
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Well said Camboon.
Other thing to remember is that although you want blokes to give a contest you don't want them to get knocked out and we end up playing a man down.
Although some blokes go in and under less than others I generally think most of them, even the proverbial 'squibs', go in hard when they know it really matters. And that includes both Short and B Ellis, the latter of which I was particularly critical of. I can remember both putting their bodies on the line when it was the business end of the season.
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Wasn’t it short who tried to fist a ball away with a dislocated elbow?
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Wasn’t it short who tried to fist a ball away with a dislocated elbow?
Yep, against GWS in 2017
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Wasn’t it short who tried to fist a ball away with a dislocated elbow?
Yes, but Claw says he is soft so he must be
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Wasn’t it short who tried to fist a ball away with a dislocated elbow?
Yes, but Claw says he is soft so he must be
:lol :lol
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/432258/round-3-short-s-graphic-elbow-injury?videoId=432258&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1554531962001
Yep,
Weak as pee :help :help
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Sorry if people dont like the truth. I can only comment on what i see and what i see i don't like.
Okay so some here think hes great and tough i disagree and i trust my eyes on this. the only other way to back up what you see is stats and in Shorts case they tell a hell of a story imo and back up to the hilt exactly what im saying..
This bloke doesnt know what a contested possesion is he is almost totally reliant on his team mates dishing it out to him. He doesnt tackle and when he does its not well done he he doesnt defend a player well he runs himself into trouble regularly which ultimately results in a bomb down the line which by the way mostly accounts for his metres gained stats.
I won't go on but perception is a wonderful thing imo and not many seem to have it or use it.
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Jayden Short has recorded over 700 metres gained for the match - almost 200 more than the next best.
31 disposals (26k, 5h, 6c, 20u, 93.5% eff.)
8 marks
3 tackles
3 inside 50s
5 intercepts
733 metres gained
4 score involvements
2 frees for
83% time on ground.
https://www.afl.com.au/matches/4009#player-stats
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Jayden Short has recorded over 700 metres gained for the match - almost 200 more than the next best.
31 disposals (26k, 5h, 6c, 20u, 93.5% eff.)
8 marks
3 tackles
3 inside 50s
5 intercepts
733 metres gained
4 score involvements
2 frees for
83% time on ground.
https://www.afl.com.au/matches/4009#player-stats
Kicking long down the ground is why he has the metres gained, oh but wait he was 93.5% efficient. 3 tackles. Maybe some new glasses are required by some.
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Jayden Short has recorded over 700 metres gained for the match - almost 200 more than the next best.
31 disposals (26k, 5h, 6c, 20u, 93.5% eff.)
8 marks
3 tackles
3 inside 50s
5 intercepts
733 metres gained
4 score involvements
2 frees for
83% time on ground.
https://www.afl.com.au/matches/4009#player-stats
Kicking long down the ground is why he has the metres gained, oh but wait he was 93.5% efficient. 3 tackles. Maybe some new glasses are required by some.
:bow :bow
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Lol nothing changed a typical Short game. I think you blokes are too heavily involved in super coach or whatever they call it now. you only see the numbers you dont see the the how or why or impact. You clearly place too much importance on metres gained stat and lol the most spurious of all stats K/E.
Hmm lets see 26 kicks he kicks em all just 30 metres fwd theres 780 metres and every single one of them could go to a one on one to be labelled effective.
Next thing people will tell me Ross had a great game lol.
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I can guarantee you that the coaches and the players said the opposite to you at a function, I attended, that goes for Macca as well . But What would they know!
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I can guarantee you that the coaches and the players said the opposite to you at a function, I attended, that goes for Macca as well . But What would they know!
Interesting isn't it camboon when you hear what players role's are from the coaches, players and others from within the club
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Lol nothing changed a typical Short game. I think you blokes are too heavily involved in super coach or whatever they call it now. you only see the numbers you dont see the the how or why or impact. You clearly place too much importance on metres gained stat and lol the most spurious of all stats K/E.
Hmm lets see 26 kicks he kicks em all just 30 metres fwd theres 780 metres and every single one of them could go to a one on one to be labelled effective.
Next thing people will tell me Ross had a great game lol.
To start with, you need talent to make an AFL list, and you need talent to have a career. Short has won multiple Premierships, and won a B&F in a Grand Final year. Lastly, you do need some talent to get the ball 30+ times per game. Do you understand what it take to be an elite sporting professional? If not, ask Short as he has nailed it!!
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And Ross was good :shh
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Love to see him dominate a wing and pump the ball inside 50 a bit more but not going to knock Shorty. Gets 25+ possessions a week.
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Have you ever seen a team made up of only KPD's & rucks? (Other than Claw's laughable team lists?)
Have you ever seen a team full of KPD's & rucks win a premiership?
That's why any decent football side needs its share of outsiders like Jayden Short .... :cheers
Don't get me wrong, I love a good inside mid as much as anybody, but team balance & skills are just as important.
Gorillas make great footballers, but you also need a few chimps in your side to be quick & clever ...
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I know this will upset many ;D
But on page 94 of the Jon Ralph says Jayden Short "is closing in on a long term contract extension"
Report also says he talking exclusively to Richmond and has pledged his future to the Club and will take less to stay so the Club can keep the list together :clapping
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Was good last night I thought.
He turns it over a bit but so does every player. Still one of our best kicks.
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Gun Tiger awaiting contract counteroffer
Mitch Keating
zerohanger.com
March 18, 2022
Contract negotiations between Richmond and star defender Jayden Short are underway, with the latter now believed to be awaiting a response from the Tigers after lodging a long-term proposal to the club.
Short has been a mainstay in Richmond's rearguard across the past several seasons, having won a best and fairest in the Tigers' most recent premiership campaign.
Seen as one of the more valued free agents in the AFL this year, the Tigers have looked to lock away the 26-year-old and are now mulling over a "really fair proposal" from Short's management.
According to The Herald Sun, Short has pledged his services to Punt Road in having only spoken on his future with the Tigers.
His manager Anthony McConville has revealed he and his client are awaiting a counteroffer from Richmond as all parties look to secure their long-term planning.
“We have given Richmond a really fair proposal. We are not too far apart. At the end of the day Jayden wants to stay but it’s also about getting the right deal that is appropriate for a best-and-fairest player and potential All Australian. We think we have been more than reasonable,” McConville told News Corp.
“We think a deal should get done based on what has been proposed but at the end of the day the ball is in Richmond’s court.”
Short joins a lengthy list of Tigers off-contract this season, with veteran quartet Jack Riewoldt, Trent Cotchin, Shane Edwards and Kane Lambert eligible for free agency.
Having been previously delisted, trio Ben Miller, Matthew Parker and Bigoa Nyuon are also able to assess their rights as a free agent.
Short recorded 21 disposals and over 600 metres gained in Thursday's 25-point loss to Carlton, with the Tigers to look for their first win of the season next Sunday against the Giants.
https://www.zerohanger.com/gun-tiger-awaiting-contract-counteroffer-115449/
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Lol nothing changed a typical Short game. I think you blokes are too heavily involved in super coach or whatever they call it now. you only see the numbers you dont see the the how or why or impact. You clearly place too much importance on metres gained stat and lol the most spurious of all stats K/E.
Hmm lets see 26 kicks he kicks em all just 30 metres fwd theres 780 metres and every single one of them could go to a one on one to be labelled effective.
Next thing people will tell me Ross had a great game lol.
To start with, you need talent to make an AFL list, and you need talent to have a career. Short has won multiple Premierships, and won a B&F in a Grand Final year. Lastly, you do need some talent to get the ball 30+ times per game. Do you understand what it take to be an elite sporting professional? If not, ask Short as he has nailed it!!
Sorry mate but I’m not sure that’s true. After watching the spud Hampson wear our jumper and an American play in a preliminary final against us that we can actually seriously say this. :rollin
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Thoughtb his game was pretty average again. i suppose people are going to hang their hats on the metres gained column again.
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Thoughtb his game was pretty average again. i suppose people are going to hang their hats on the metres gained column again.
Im basing my assessment on watching the game live at the ground. Nothing to do with stats. What about you?
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Thoughtb his game was pretty average again. i suppose people are going to hang their hats on the metres gained column again.
Im basing my assessment on watching the game live at the ground. Nothing to do with stats. What about you?
Lol good for you being able to get to the game. I watched it on telly twice and my assesment remains. Hes a very average player who is massively overated by tiger fans.
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Thoughtb his game was pretty average again. i suppose people are going to hang their hats on the metres gained column again.
Im basing my assessment on watching the game live at the ground. Nothing to do with stats. What about you?
Lol good for you being able to get to the game. I watched it on telly twice and my assesment remains. Hes a very average player who is massively overated by tiger fans.
By that you also mean the coaching group?
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Thoughtb his game was pretty average again. i suppose people are going to hang their hats on the metres gained column again.
Im basing my assessment on watching the game live at the ground. Nothing to do with stats. What about you?
Lol good for you being able to get to the game. I watched it on telly twice and my assesment remains. Hes a very average player who is massively overated by tiger fans.
By that you also mean the coaching group?
the same coaching group that picks Aarts every week?
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I have to laugh when hear the same old campaign based on personal opinion on Short. Best small back we have at this point in time imo.
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I would say any criticism of Short in years 18-20 are laughable to the point where jocks need changing.
Either side of that, it’s valid.
What got him to 2020 won’t get him past 2022 if he doesn’t pull up his socks and fast.
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What I don’t understand is out of all the players in the 22, short is the one people will take shots at. Even if you didn’t rate his game (I personally thought he was good) there were atleast 15 players worse than him and yet this is the thread I see the comments on.
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Thoughtb his game was pretty average again. i suppose people are going to hang their hats on the metres gained column again.
Im basing my assessment on watching the game live at the ground. Nothing to do with stats. What about you?
Lol good for you being able to get to the game. I watched it on telly twice and my assesment remains. Hes a very average player who is massively overated by tiger fans.
By that you also mean the coaching group?
the same coaching group that picks Aarts every week?
And Castagna played Rioli until they had no option but drop him. On rioli gave him Stacks position and stacky now struggles play him in front of Mansell as well and on it goes. The same mob who insist Ross can play wing lol for that matter Caddy as well.
The same mob who it seems do not think we have problems with clearances and contested ball.
Simple truth is during our successful period they have got most things right but they sure as hell have made some mistakes along the way as well.
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His game was full of the usual soft unaccountable crap he serves up more often than not (seriously do any of you really not notice how often he loses his opponent in the lead up to an oppo goal that said opponent is instrumental in? I'd love to see a map of avenues to goal by our opposition and how many of those avenues just so happen to pass through his area... :shh)....and of course that "elite" kicking to nobody in particular...having said all that I'd like to see him played forward of the ball again as he was early in his career...for all his flaws he'd still be a massive upgrade on Aarts... :shh
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7news just said Short is about to ink a new long term deal.
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:facepalm
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I don't mind if he is staying cheap.
Can always trade a contracted player these days. Just hope it doesn't cost us much.
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I have to laugh when hear the same old campaign based on personal opinion on Short. Best small back we have at this point in time imo.
All that is saying is hes the best of a poor crop.And that aint true.
If thats the case then we need to clean the lot of em out and go out and find some decent ones.
Mansell, Stack even Rioli and then theres the two we just drafted Brown and Banks.
He gets plaudits for what. Well last thursday he was handed the ball 21 times and he had the 19 kicks . His role means just about every game he will have high metres gained stats fmd he kicks it 50 metres up the line 10 times and theres 500 metres gained.
The trouble is his kicking is so so overated and he gives virtually nothing else other than being an outside reciever. Fmd just the 1 tackle
and he never ever has a man to defend.
I suppose as long as he keeps on getting the cheap ball and the metres gained people will allow themselves to conned.
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I have to laugh when hear the same old campaign based on personal opinion on Short. Best small back we have at this point in time imo.
All that is saying is hes the best of a poor crop.And that aint true.
If thats the case then we need to clean the lot of em out and go out and find some decent ones.
Mansell, Stack even Rioli and then theres the two we just drafted Brown and Banks.
He gets plaudits for what. Well last thursday he was handed the ball 21 times and he had the 19 kicks . His role means just about every game he will have high metres gained stats fmd he kicks it 50 metres up the line 10 times and theres 500 metres gained.
The trouble is his kicking is so so overated and he gives virtually nothing else other than being an outside reciever. Fmd just the 1 tackle
and he never ever has a man to defend.
I suppose as long as he keeps on getting the cheap ball and the metres gained people will allow themselves to conned.
Are we talking about a 3 time Premiership player and B&F winner? If i am reading right, we must be discussing a bloke playing 5th grade local footy not a champion of the Club :shh
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I have to laugh when hear the same old campaign based on personal opinion on Short. Best small back we have at this point in time imo.
All that is saying is hes the best of a poor crop.And that aint true.
If thats the case then we need to clean the lot of em out and go out and find some decent ones.
Mansell, Stack even Rioli and then theres the two we just drafted Brown and Banks.
He gets plaudits for what. Well last thursday he was handed the ball 21 times and he had the 19 kicks . His role means just about every game he will have high metres gained stats fmd he kicks it 50 metres up the line 10 times and theres 500 metres gained.
The trouble is his kicking is so so overated and he gives virtually nothing else other than being an outside reciever. Fmd just the 1 tackle
and he never ever has a man to defend.
I suppose as long as he keeps on getting the cheap ball and the metres gained people will allow themselves to conned.
Are we talking about a 3 time Premiership player and B&F winner? If i am reading right, we must be discussing a bloke playing 5th grade local footy not a champion of the Club :shh
Yep. Agree 100% Machine.
Shortly delivered when it mattered and was there in each one of our flags.
What’s funny is we have blokes who have played the last year who you haven’t described in your post, that have delivered absolutely sfa and are copping little or no criticism.
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I have to laugh when hear the same old campaign based on personal opinion on Short. Best small back we have at this point in time imo.
All that is saying is hes the best of a poor crop.And that aint true.
If thats the case then we need to clean the lot of em out and go out and find some decent ones.
Mansell, Stack even Rioli and then theres the two we just drafted Brown and Banks.
He gets plaudits for what. Well last thursday he was handed the ball 21 times and he had the 19 kicks . His role means just about every game he will have high metres gained stats fmd he kicks it 50 metres up the line 10 times and theres 500 metres gained.
The trouble is his kicking is so so overated and he gives virtually nothing else other than being an outside reciever. Fmd just the 1 tackle
and he never ever has a man to defend.
I suppose as long as he keeps on getting the cheap ball and the metres gained people will allow themselves to conned.
Are we talking about a 3 time Premiership player and B&F winner? If i am reading right, we must be discussing a bloke playing 5th grade local footy not a champion of the Club :shh
Could not have won the 2017 flag without him
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I have to laugh when hear the same old campaign based on personal opinion on Short. Best small back we have at this point in time imo.
All that is saying is hes the best of a poor crop.And that aint true.
If thats the case then we need to clean the lot of em out and go out and find some decent ones.
Mansell, Stack even Rioli and then theres the two we just drafted Brown and Banks.
He gets plaudits for what. Well last thursday he was handed the ball 21 times and he had the 19 kicks . His role means just about every game he will have high metres gained stats fmd he kicks it 50 metres up the line 10 times and theres 500 metres gained.
The trouble is his kicking is so so overated and he gives virtually nothing else other than being an outside reciever. Fmd just the 1 tackle
and he never ever has a man to defend.
I suppose as long as he keeps on getting the cheap ball and the metres gained people will allow themselves to conned.
Are we talking about a 3 time Premiership player and B&F winner? If i am reading right, we must be discussing a bloke playing 5th grade local footy not a champion of the Club :shh
Could not have won the 2017 flag without him
Yep - not one mistake in the GF that year... :shh :shh
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All that is saying is hes the best of a poor crop.And that aint true.
If thats the case then we need to clean the lot of em out and go out and find some decent ones.
Mansell, Stack even Rioli and then theres the two we just drafted Brown and Banks.
He gets plaudits for what. Well last thursday he was handed the ball 21 times and he had the 19 kicks . His role means just about every game he will have high metres gained stats fmd he kicks it 50 metres up the line 10 times and theres 500 metres gained.
The trouble is his kicking is so so overated and he gives virtually nothing else other than being an outside reciever. Fmd just the 1 tackle
and he never ever has a man to defend.
I suppose as long as he keeps on getting the cheap ball and the metres gained people will allow themselves to conned.
Just so I am clear and you are the one who used stats to criticise Jack Graham
For Graham you use his stats including Total possessions, metres gained, clearance numbers to justify your criticisms of him. You hold them up as the only thing that matters with regard to his position in the side
But with Short the same stats are irrelevant and mean nothing and anyone who looks at them is being conned?
It would seem you use stats when you want for what you want, to suit your argument. Different rules for different players clearly
Are we talking about a 3 time Premiership player and B&F winner? If i am reading right, we must be discussing a bloke playing 5th grade local footy not a champion of the Club :shh
With respect Machine, Shorty is a 2 time premiership player. He didn't play in the 2017 GF
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In fairness to clawski, Short is an outside player and Graham is an inside mid. You want your inside mids averaging 20+ on a regular basis. Outside players getting 20 kicks is almost a given if they're playing loose in the back half
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All that is saying is hes the best of a poor crop.And that aint true.
If thats the case then we need to clean the lot of em out and go out and find some decent ones.
Mansell, Stack even Rioli and then theres the two we just drafted Brown and Banks.
He gets plaudits for what. Well last thursday he was handed the ball 21 times and he had the 19 kicks . His role means just about every game he will have high metres gained stats fmd he kicks it 50 metres up the line 10 times and theres 500 metres gained.
The trouble is his kicking is so so overated and he gives virtually nothing else other than being an outside reciever. Fmd just the 1 tackle
and he never ever has a man to defend.
I suppose as long as he keeps on getting the cheap ball and the metres gained people will allow themselves to conned.
Just so I am clear and you are the one who used stats to criticise Jack Graham
For Graham you use his stats including Total possessions, metres gained, clearance numbers to justify your criticisms of him. You hold them up as the only thing that matters with regard to his position in the side
But with Short the same stats are irrelevant and mean nothing and anyone who looks at them is being conned?
It would seem you use stats when you want for what you want, to suit your argument. Different rules for different players clearly
Are we talking about a 3 time Premiership player and B&F winner? If i am reading right, we must be discussing a bloke playing 5th grade local footy not a champion of the Club :shh
With respect Machine, Shorty is a 2 time premiership player. He didn't play in the 2017 GF
You are correct and thanks for the reminder. Just getting sick of the constant negativity driven towards isolated players- players who are highly efficient and successful, not to mentioned ripping people!
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You are correct and thanks for the reminder. Just getting sick of the constant negativity driven towards isolated players- players who are highly efficient and successful, not to mentioned ripping people!
I hear you. :thumbsup
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You don’t have to wonder to long why We get crap from opposition supporters about Richmond eating their own when we start losing. LOL
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Was bloody good today.
Cameron sent De Boar to him when he came on.
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Sensational. Those who don’t rate him are watching a different game to me.
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Was brilliant again today
Plays the role, his role exactly the way he is asked to.
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He is a jet :shh
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Was our best today, enormous off half back. Had plenty of mates.
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Thrives when there's no pressure...and there was less than none from GWS for most of the match...#golfclaps... :shh
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Lloyd’s top 7 running half-backs:
1. Tom Stewart (Geelong)
2. Lachie Whitfield (GWS)
3. Christian Salem (Melbourne)
4. Caleb Daniel (Western Bulldogs)
5. Daniel Rich (Brisbane)
6. Jayden Short (Richmond)
7. Nick Blakey (Sydney)
6. Jayden Short (Richmond)
“A best and fairest in a premiership year.
“Some might disagree with that, but I’ve got him at six.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/04/04/lloyds-top-7-running-half-backs-in-the-afl-right-now/
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In fairness to clawski, Short is an outside player and Graham is an inside mid. You want your inside mids averaging 20+ on a regular basis. Outside players getting 20 kicks is almost a given if they're playing loose in the back half
If that were the case then we wouldn’t have delisted/traded the likes of Corey Ellis, Menadue, Lennon, Markov, etc. who couldn’t get it 10 times, let alone 20 or 25+ that short does when playing the same role.
Every team needs the outside half back flank type to provide run and carry and gain metres out of defence. The fact is that for these type of players, it is not their primary role to defend 1v1 and it’s up to the rest of the defence to cover for them in transition. Would love to hear of some examples of other half back flankers around the league who absolutely lock down their direct offensive opponent while racking up 20+ disposals.
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In fairness to clawski, Short is an outside player and Graham is an inside mid. You want your inside mids averaging 20+ on a regular basis. Outside players getting 20 kicks is almost a given if they're playing loose in the back half
If that were the case then we wouldn’t have delisted/traded the likes of Corey Ellis, Menadue, Lennon, Markov, etc. who couldn’t get it 10 times, let alone 20 or 25+ that short does when playing the same role.
Every team needs the outside half back flank type to provide run and carry and gain metres out of defence. The fact is that for these type of players, it is not their primary role to defend 1v1 and it’s up to the rest of the defence to cover for them in transition. Would love to hear of some examples of other half back flankers around the league who absolutely lock down their direct offensive opponent while racking up 20+ disposals.
The players mentioned didn't play loose in the back half. Yes, most of them are outside players but only 2 of them were good users (Lennon and Markov has a reasonable leg I suppose). Not even remotely a proper retort when Markov is the only one who played most of his footy as a rebounding defender.
It's also somehow forgotten that at least 3-4 of Shorts kicks per game come from kick outs. Sometimes at least half a dozen. He's not the only bloke in the league benefiting from that stat padding, but he's not some sort of wizard for having the footy in his hands 20 times when you take that into account
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It's also somehow forgotten that at least 3-4 of Shorts kicks per game come from kick outs. Sometimes at least half a dozen. He's not the only bloke in the league benefiting from that stat padding, but he's not some sort of wizard for having the footy in his hands 20 times when you take that into account
Sure, but there's a reason he's taking the kickouts too. He generally hits the short target, or can roost it 60m if there isn't a good option.
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Menadue and to a lesser extent Ellis defs played the loose hbf role both in the VFL and when called up to the seniors.
Yes let’s make a point to say he gets some of his possessions from kick ins, not like every other hbf with a reliable boot on them doesn’t get the same.
My point still stands, he is doing the exact role asked of him and that of any half back flanker in the league and doing it well.
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Everyone needs to remember that sometimes there isn't a 'free man' option and kicking to a 1:1 contest is the next best thing. Anyone that's played footy knows that you go up the wings so that if you lose possession it's harder for your opponent to kick a goal from an angle. This is legit football 101.
As Foo said he either hits a target or gains territory and is valued for it.
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Menadue and to a lesser extent Ellis defs played the loose hbf role both in the VFL and when called up to the seniors.
Yes let’s make a point to say he gets some of his possessions from kick ins, not like every other hbf with a reliable boot on them doesn’t get the same.
My point still stands, he is doing the exact role asked of him and that of any half back flanker in the league and doing it well.
No they didn't. Ellis didn't have good use and was never used in a similar fashion to Short. Menadue played some footy across half back but most of his time was spent on a wing. Ben Lennon was a slow forward who played a handful of games down back. Great kick though, one of the best I've ever seen.
No one says he's not playing his role. He has been okay this year and he is playing his role. Always plays his role, thats never been the problem with him.
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Menadue and to a lesser extent Ellis defs played the loose hbf role both in the VFL and when called up to the seniors.
Yes let’s make a point to say he gets some of his possessions from kick ins, not like every other hbf with a reliable boot on them doesn’t get the same.
My point still stands, he is doing the exact role asked of him and that of any half back flanker in the league and doing it well.
No they didn't. Ellis didn't have good use and was never used in a similar fashion to Short. Menadue played some footy across half back but most of his time was spent on a wing. Ben Lennon was a slow forward who played a handful of games down back. Great kick though, one of the best I've ever seen.
No one says he's not playing his role. He has been okay this year and he is playing his role. Always plays his role, thats never been the problem with him.
I guess we remember it differently and maybe not all of the players I named did get a chance at HBF but your claim (which maybe I’m taking too literally tbf) that when playing hbf flank, getting 20+ disposals is almost a given is just not true not just by the players we’ve trialled in that role but across the league too.
And if he is playing the role asked of him and always has and has been ok (think he’s been better than that), then what exactly is the issue? in an underperforming team of 22 players, short has been nowhere near one of the worst, I’d argue he’s actually been one of the better more consistent players (not that that’s saying much for this season). And yet posters will regularly single him out for criticism.
I just think that there’s an unrealistic expectation that every player is going to be at the bottom of packs and winning the contested ball and people see the outside players as easy targets. Happened with Houli then moved onto B.Ellis and now it seems Short has taken over as the whipping boy.
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Anyone watching the first half cannot possibly say this bloke isn't a good footballer
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Very silly brain fade at the end of the quarter which I’m sure will serve as ammunition.
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Never mind...WP will still give him 3 votes... :shh
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:shh
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Hardwick was thrilled with the move of Jayden Short into the midfield in Trent Cotchin's absence, gathering 31 possessions.
"(Assistant coach) Andrew McQualter suggested it last week," Hardwick said.
"It is something we'll continue to explore. He looked real good in there, comfortable. He has been a fantastic contributor down back, but if we can find a midfielder out of it, that's a big bonus."
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/750420/-so-many-areas-to-fix-simpson-predicts-pain-ahead-for-eagles)
Short's stats:
31 disposals (27k, 4h, 9c, 23u, 80.6% eff.)
7 marks
3 tackles
5 clearances (3 centre clearances)
9 inside 50s
4 intercepts
792 metres gained
7 score involvements
3 goal assists
1 behind
84% time on ground
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Gun
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Gun
Spot on- can play anywhere :clapping
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I hope they do use him sparingly in the middle as an alt game plane but keep him primarily in the backline. I’m thinking back to Baker’s breakout game last year in the middle against gws then kinda floundered unsettled and couldn’t get hands on the footy.
It’s good knowing we have flexibility but we have to keep our players in their strongest positions (Balta backline another example)
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Gun
Spot on- can play anywhere :clapping
Yep.
Got us going in the 1st
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Genius move by McQualter. Not such an easy transition to make, does anyone remember when we put Vlaustin in the middle? Not so great but he did have a day out up forward vs the saints that I remember.
Anyway Short is natural leader and has strong voice in the field so I think it works really well. Would like to see how he goes against a better midfield though but it was great effort regardless.
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Inspired move.
800m gained and most of it wasn't cheap ball from kick ins and running out of the HBF.
Wonder what claw thought of his game?
Despite being against terrible opposition was a Charlie game.
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A great win without get ahead of ourselves
The half glass full people will just enjoy it and the glass half empty people will be looking for the dud😁
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Genius move by McQualter. Not such an easy transition to make, does anyone remember when we put Vlaustin in the middle? Not so great but he did have a day out up forward vs the saints that I remember.
Anyway Short is natural leader and has strong voice in the field so I think it works really well. Would like to see how he goes against a better midfield though but it was great effort regardless.
Reckon it was inspired by Crows with Laird and Swans more recently with Mills who have successfully made the move from a back flank into the midfield. Looks to be a winner.
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Cotchin’s heir apparent: Is he Craig Bradley or Ian Stewart?
Just over a week ago, Jayden Short attended the first centre bounce of his 120-game career. After his monster on Saturday, he’s being touted as Trent Cotchin’s replacement.
Paywall: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/sunday-tackle-sam-landsbergers-early-likes-and-dislikes-from-round-seven-of-the-2022-afl-season/news-story/21ed139e2f83287ada32c4fc90530e2f
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Who comes up with this stuff? He was brilliant but wtf is with the Cotchin comparison. Not even remotely similar
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Inspired move.
800m gained and most of it wasn't cheap ball from kick ins and running out of the HBF.
Wonder what claw thought of his game?
Despite being against terrible opposition was a Charlie game.
Mate we just had a 109 point win pretty hard to criticise anyone that would be petty and pointless.
I really do urge people to be careful though i dont think he did all that much disimilar to what he usually does. yep he played more up the ground and he actually got the ball inside 50 a fair bit was even credited with some contested ball and had some clearances.
Still dont think he had a hard ball get despite this and to compare his game to the way Cotchin plays is laughable.
Lets see if they play him there next week and lets see how he goes when he has a bit of heat applied.
Fmd apart from his usual howlers by foot even Castagna looked good in fact they all did it was a bruise free romp a game imo that proves absolutely nothing.
Bottom line credit to them for sinking the slipper into what was a very ordinary team.No critiques from me this week.
Oh one last thing i hope they continue to play him further up the ground we have a heap of younger blokes who imo should be playing off hb or at least played there when they do get a game.
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Returning Tiger Kane Lambert wants fellow premiership star Jayden Short to remain in new midfield role
Marc McGowan
May 3, 2022
NCA NewsWire
Fit-again Tiger Kane Lambert is keen for Jayden Short’s successful midfield experiment last Friday night to be explored further.
With former captain Trent Cotchin out and Dustin Martin still sidelined, coach Damien Hardwick sent sweet-kicking defender Short into the centre with spectacular results.
Short gathered a match-high 31 disposals – 27 of them kicks – to go with nine inside 50s, seven marks, seven score involvements, five clearances and almost 800m gained.
“I thought he was great. ‘Shorty’ is a great friend of mine and it’s great to see him coming on the way he does,” Lambert told Richmond’s website.
“He’s so lethal with his foot – by left or right – and he can hit targets, so going through the midfield is really good for him.
“I think it’s good for our team as well, (because) it gives us a bit of speed through the middle of the ground.”
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-returning-tiger-kane-lambert-wants-fellow-premiership-star-jayden-short-to-remain-in-new-midfield-role/news-story/7b24c5babc5b2d98a26453b0a9ddfe89
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@Richmond_FC coach Damien Hardwick (on role): "He's such a damaging half-back but obviously through the middle he was very good as well. There's probably a fair chance he'll play a similar type of role this week but things can change."
https://twitter.com/HoneyballAFL/status/1522032226103222272
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Tigers’ burning question: Is Jayden Short the new Rory Laird?
Leigh Montagna compared the two on Fox Footy’s First Crack on Sunday night and the resemblances are uncanny. Laird was a best-and-fairest winner in defence before being thrown into the middle and winning another best-and-fairest award in the new role. Jayden Short started in the centre against West Coast last week and was arguably just as impressive as Laird was when he first made the move. The Tigers are desperate for more midfield power even with Dustin Martin coming back into the side and Short offers great pace and a devastating kick to set up his forwards, as he did on multiple occasions on the weekend. Collingwood surely won’t let him run free as much as the Eagles did, but Short is showing plenty.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-tipping-round-8-2022-the-blowtorch-preview-every-clubs-burning-question-fixture-tips-predictions-commentators-tv-times/news-story/1fa9021a93258479fdddd6acc065e7da
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5 YEAR CONTRACT EXTENSION!
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Great news
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As per lamington Shorty has signed a 5 year contract extension
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Short signs long-term contract extension
Jayden Short has committed his long-term future to Richmond with a five-year deal.
By Richmond Media - 1 hr ago
Dual premiership Tiger and Jack Dyer Medallist Jayden Short has committed his long-term future to Richmond, inking a five-year deal to remain at the Club.
The contract extension will see the 26-year-old, who has played 121 games since being selected in the 2014 rookie draft, tied to Richmond until the end of 2027.
Short, who qualified as a free agent under AFL rules, has started 2022 in outstanding form, averaging 28 disposals (No. 1 at Richmond) and five rebounds per game.
The 2020 best and fairest winner said it was hard to see himself playing anywhere other than Richmond.
“It is really exciting. I am very lucky and grateful for the Club giving me a long-term contract,” he said.
“I want to repay the Club; I have had some very good times here already, and I am looking forward to the next five years.”
Short said he had been fortunate to be drafted to Richmond, giving him a chance to learn from a host of seasoned professionals.
“I started as a small little chubby kid, probably just trying to find my way, and I have had some great people around me that have taught me how to be an AFL footballer,” he said.
“It has been a good journey and something I am very proud of; now I am looking forward to building on that and continuing to try and get better each year.”
Richmond General Manager- Football Talent, Blair Hartley, said it was pleasing to secure Short’s signature for the long-term.
“Jayden has been a consistent performer for us across recent years, and this contract extension is a reward for his application across that period,” he added.
“He plays football the Richmond way and is a popular teammate and person around the football club. We are looking forward to seeing him continue to improve his game across the next five years.”
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1118844/short-signs-long-term-contract-extension
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Its good he signed but 5 years? 3 would have been about right. 4 if a compromise was needed but 5 seems too long for me for a player like short.
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As a free agent he would have been offered long terms by other clubs - 5 years is perfect imo.
Great news that our new star midfielder has committed long term!!
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“It is really exciting. I am very lucky and grateful for the Club giving me a long-term contract,” Short said.
“I want to repay the Club; I have had some very good times here already, and I am looking forward to the next five years.”
Short said he had been fortunate to be drafted to Richmond, giving him a chance to learn from a host of seasoned professionals.
“I started as a small little chubby kid, probably just trying to find my way, and I have had some great people around me that have taught me how to be an AFL footballer,” he said.
“It has been a good journey and something I am very proud of; now I am looking forward to building on that and continuing to try and get better each year.”
Richmond General Manager- Football Talent, Blair Hartley, said it was pleasing to secure Short’s signature for the long-term.
“Jayden has been a consistent performer for us across recent years, and this contract extension is a reward for his application across that period,” he added.
“He plays football the Richmond way and is a popular teammate and person around the football club. We are looking forward to seeing him continue to improve his game across the next five years.”
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1118844
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Dio will be rapt
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No issue with 5 years in the current FA environment
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Good outcome.
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Have to be happy with this. Loosing players to FA is a huge issue.
Short is a B+F winner, one of our best users, longest ball carrier, and very durable. Be interested on how much $.
For those worried about a rebuild phase having him contracted gives us options
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5 years sheesh.
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Dio will be rapt
So will Claw
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Big deal, big performance
With the ink still drying on the five-year deal he signed on Friday morning, Jayden Short put a full stop on a momentous week for the gamebreaker. The 26-year-old burst out the blocks at the MCG and celebrated a big week in style, amassing 27 disposals, six inside 50s and 708 metres gained. The 2020 Jack Dyer Medal winner has established himself as one of Richmond's most damaging players across the past 24 months.
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/755646/dusty-back-with-a-bang-lynch-boots-six-in-big-win-over-pies)
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Gun
Gun
Gun
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Finds the footy.
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Just a fantastic player. Has it all and is playing at his peak.
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Played very well again in the guts against a decent Pies midfield.
We may have just found a handy outside mid who can find the footy and kick long.
Credit to Dio who has been calling for this move.
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Great call, looks a natural and as others have called for frees up a position for a small in the backline
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Short is No.1 in the AFL for Metres Gained, 5696m at 712m/game. That’s extraordinary!!
But there is more, No.2 is the Bulldogs Bailey Dale with 4860m at 607.5m/game.
Jayden Short averages OVER 100m/game MORE than the No.2 player in the comp.
If we drop another 104m/game from Dale, it’s Steven May in 13th place.
The gap between 1 and 2 is the same as the gap between 2 and 13.
Now, Darcy Parish is a very good player. He gets to enter the chat as the No.1 rank in the league for disposals per game (34)
Short is ranked No.12 for disposals at 28.25 per game.
Parish is ranked No.40 for metres gained, just over 300m per game less than Short!!!!
All 3 are ranked top 10 for Effective Disposals (Parish 1, Short 6, Dale 7)
So we have a rare gem here. A bloke who gains maximum metres, at a rate which is almost an outlier compared to the rest of the comp, but doesn’t waste it.
Others have tricks or size and get more attention, but his effectiveness stands out to me. He’s a ripper!!
https://twitter.com/EJW_Stein/status/1523977622417731585
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Surely in AA contention!!
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Sticks his tackles.
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Where are his haters?
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Where are his haters?
They’ve been VERY quiet
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Short last night almost had a kilometre metres gained and 16 inside 50s :o. Only went at 60% disposal efficiency though.
25 disposals (24k, 1h, 7c, 17u, 60% eff.)
5 marks
3 tackles
2 clearances
16 inside 50s
9 intercepts
989 metres gained
4 score involvements
1 goal assist
87% time on ground
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I thought he was average despite the metres gained.
Just threw the ball on his boot in hope most of the time. Like a lot of teammates it was all panic in the 3rd qtr
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I thought he was average despite the metres gained.
Just threw the ball on his boot in hope most of the time. Like a lot of teammates it was all panic in the 3rd qtr
Agree. That one in the 3rd or 4th quarter where he intercepted it in the middle of the ground and had so many options available inside 50 only to pick out the 1 blues player drove me mad.
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Yeah made some uncharacteristic blues yesterday.
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It was a wet weather game and get the ball forward at all costs was the order of the day.
That said our fifty entries couldn’t been much better considering the speed we entered some players including Short just needed to lower the eyes and execute rather than kicking directly to a Blue defender.
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Yep I reckon the team would have been under instructions to do just that, the issue being is that he is our transitional distributor so all the heat has come back on him.
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Thought he played to the conditions- a territory win!!
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It was a wet weather game and get the ball forward at all costs was the order of the day.
That said our fifty entries couldn’t been much better considering the speed we entered some players including Short just needed to lower the eyes and execute rather than kicking directly to a Blue defender.
This is a good point and probably true. Given he can kick 50-60m all day long it's probably his job to keep the ball moving forward when it's wet like that.
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Since being switched into midfield earlier this season, Short is averaging 25.0 disposals, 7.2 contested possessions, 7.0 inside-50s, 3.5 clearances and 625.0 metres gained per game.
Damien Hardwick paid tribute to Short during his weekly pre-match press conference today.
“He’s been a real positive for us,” Hardwick said.
“I think the first time he played it (midfield role) was the West Coast game over there (Round 7). We had a couple of injuries that game . . .
“He’s just grown into the role.
“The great thing about ‘Shorty’, like Liam (Baker), they’re guys you can plug and play. You can put those guys anywhere. They’re just really good players . . .
“He’s quite under-rated, I think, outside our four walls. But this guy’s a premiership player, Best and Fairest winner, quite possibly could be an All-Australian.
“He’s a wonderful player that we’re very fortunate to have.”
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1161176/short-shift-reaps-rewards
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Jayden Short on SEN (4.7.22)
After another good win in Round 16, Richmond star Jayden Short joined Garry and Bucks to talk about their win, his move into the midfield, Liam Baker's superb form this year, their return to premiership contention, and more.
Listen here: https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=1016562
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Lol they can talk him up but he is as soft as they come and a currnt part of of our problems imo.
Maybe im being unrealistic expecting an almost totally outside bloke to be good inside but if they give him the role then i suppose its not being unrealistic.
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💩 :wallywink
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Should be dropped for a month after that 50
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That's a proper brain fade that one and he knew it.
Not like when Stewart knocks out Prestia and they call it a brain fade.
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Supposed to be one of the next generation first string mids we have.
Totally fed up with this panic merchant and lack of physical presence.How often do people have to laud him for banging it 50 metres down the line to nothing or he feels the pressure and just bangs it on his boot usually straight to the opposition.
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Lol, I wonder why the experts in the industry rate him as elite player. He is not Cotchin but plays his role.
He made a mistake but the whole team lost the game.
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Short is absolutely not the reason we lost, despite his average game.
I boil it straight down to the blokes that missed goals in the last quarter when we should have put them away. Mostly castagna it doesn't get any stuffing easier than that one you got smothered you stuffwit.
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Lol, I wonder why the experts in the industry rate him as elite player. He is not Cotchin but plays his role.
He made a mistake but the whole team lost the game.
If you listen to the industry then Castagna is a top notch small fwd cmon they find ways to rate just about every player.
THE INDUSTRY WET THEIR PANTS OVER HIS METRED GAINED STATS but never mention that so much of that is nothing kicks 50 metres down the line to no one in particular or to a contest. You know this is right so many complain about it. An awful lot see the panic and rushed jammed kicks on the boot so he can avoid contact. Your damn right he is no Cotchin no where near it and thats the point.The industry talks him up as the next wave the one who is taking over from the cotchins and it could not be further from the truth.
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It’s A crazy world where some people can’t get out of the70’s and think you can’t play football unless your a thug. We need to realise like flares the world has moved on
The industry can’t all be wrong and those 1 % who think he is a spud are right
He is a very good outside player and will never be a battering ram
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Short isn't playing Cotchin's role, they have very different games and game profiles. Short is 4 kicks to 1 handball, Cotch is much more inside and 3 kicks to 2 handballs (in rough terms). Short kicks long, Cotchin short etc etc. People expecting Short to be some hard man are kidding themselves, and not focussing on what strengths he brings. Nobody has the perfect game and this premiership team has been built around enhancing and encouraging players to back their strengths, not dwell and whinge about what they can't do.
We are definitely seeing a midfield in transition, more out of necessity than design, but it is in transition nonetheless. Baker, Short, Graham, Ross etc need time to be blended through while Cotchin, Edwards, Martin, Lambert and Prestia phase out, either thru injury or old age. And yes, we do need a Taranto or Green to bolster our mids as these guys either boom or bust. No argument here.
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Totally lacks composure surely people are getting fed up with the numerous dump kicks in panic and the constant fear of a little bit of contact.
Has to be the most overrated player we have.
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Still is seen by the club and those outside the club as in our best 10 players. He has role to play which will never be in a tag team with brute Bernard or killer Karl Cox
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Still is seen by the club and those outside the club as in our best 10 players. He has role to play which will never be in a tag team with brute Bernard or killer Karl Cox
WTF?
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Still is seen by the club and those outside the club as in our best 10 players. He has role to play which will never be in a tag team with brute Bernard or killer Karl Cox
WTF?
:lol WTF?
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If have explain a joke to your audience it loses the point . Hopefully someone gets it
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Still is seen by the club and those outside the club as in our best 10 players. He has role to play which will never be in a tag team with brute Bernard or killer Karl Cox
Sheesh Brute Bernard and Killer Karl i wish. The trouble is he would not survive with Cinderella or Bambi atm.
But i suppose the blinkers will go on when its a favorite.
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I didn't think he was bad last night. The other week is another story
Has his fault but the guy is plenty useful
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Jayden Short's season stats:
AFL:
#1 for most kicks: 19.7 per match @ 70% efficiency.
#1 for metres gained: 600 metres per match.
Richmond:
#1 for disposals (465).
#1 for kick (374).
#3 for marks (104).
#1 for uncontested footy (305).
#5 for score involvements (92).
#5 for clearances (44).
#3 for tackles (59).
#1 for inside 50s (94).
Source: AFL Record.
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Still is seen by the club and those outside the club as in our best 10 players. He has role to play which will never be in a tag team with brute Bernard or killer Karl Cox
Sheesh Brute Bernard and Killer Karl i wish. The trouble is he would not survive with Cinderella or Bambi atm.
But i suppose the blinkers will go on when its a favorite.
I guess we could say the exact same thing about you
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You obvious don’t know me
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You obvious don’t know me
Pretty sure HRT wasn't commenting on your original post but moreso the quoted response to your post
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Jayden Short's season stats:
AFL:
#1 for most kicks: 19.7 per match @ 70% efficiency.
#1 for metres gained: 600 metres per match.
Richmond:
#1 for disposals (465).
#1 for kick (374).
#3 for marks (104).
#1 for uncontested footy (305).
#5 for score involvements (92).
#5 for clearances (44).
#3 for tackles (59).
#1 for inside 50s (94).
Source: AFL Record.
He is a star who constantly turns up.
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Still is seen by the club and those outside the club as in our best 10 players. He has role to play which will never be in a tag team with brute Bernard or killer Karl Cox
Sheesh Brute Bernard and Killer Karl i wish. The trouble is he would not survive with Cinderella or Bambi atm.
But i suppose the blinkers will go on when its a favorite.
Maybe the blinkers go when when he is not a favourite too. Doing exactly what is required the way we play, get it forward and fast. Who cares if he is not the toughest player we have. Only 1 player in every team can be the toughest.
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You obvious don’t know me
Pretty sure HRT wasn't commenting on your original post but moreso the quoted response to your post
Correct Willy. Blinkers appears on Crawski as often as he claims it is on everyone else. Ironic much?
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You obvious don’t know me
Pretty sure HRT wasn't commenting on your original post but moreso the quoted response to your post
Correct Willy. Blinkers appears on Crawski as often as he claims it is on everyone else. Ironic much?
Hmm i believe to be blinkered you DON'T SEE THINGS YOU DONT WANT TO SEE.
When you SEE the same PATHETIC poo happening week after week and make comment, that is not being blinkered, Rather its the opposite. Sorry to call it as i see it. Now what are you commenting on, Apparently he does not panic does not just slam the ball on his foot ad nauseum and he never shirks it. Hmm iF YOU CANNOT SEE THESE THINGS THEN YES YOUR BLINKERED.
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Are we talking about the guy who won the B&F in a flag year? Ahead of Dusty, who played 20/22 games that year? In the season after his father died? He held it together and was the best player in the best team?
But he's soft?
Doesn't add up to me.
(Houli was a little brittle too, btw. Didn't stop him from being a champion.)
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Can anyone explain to me how someone who is deemed "soft" by some folks can lay so ,any tackles?
Someone afraid of body contact aka "soft" wouldn't be laying tackles right? Or am I missing something :help :huh3
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Can anyone explain to me how someone who is deemed "soft" by some folks can lay so ,any tackles?
Someone afraid of body contact aka "soft" wouldn't be laying tackles right? Or am I missing something :help :huh3
He’s not hard at all contests. I understand Claw’s view on that at times. He does forget things like the time he injured his elbow and still dove head on into contact and belted the ball …
They can’t all be Cotchin bruisers though and suggestions he shouldn’t be in the team are laughable
He brings plenty to the team without doubt
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Can anyone explain to me how someone who is deemed "soft" by some folks can lay so ,any tackles?
Someone afraid of body contact aka "soft" wouldn't be laying tackles right? Or am I missing something :help :huh3
Oh deary me you arent that stupid so i take it an attempt to deflect criticism from the player.
You me the whole footy world knows you dont have to be tough or brave to be the hunter its when your the hunted that in this case when short is the hunted that his true colours come out.
Not once have i heard you or most of his defenders make comment on his flaws and they smack you in the face.Never have i heard you comment on the number of times he just panics and slams the ball on his boot and the truth is you cannot miss it yet here you are defending him.
Yep no one can accuse of being blinkered but you and otherswell thats a different story.
Me i open to seeing and commenting on these things you and others avoid them like the plague.
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Claw I have no idea what you mean when you say it’s when Jayden is hunted that his true colours come out . When one is hunted you take evasive action I would think until the next contest comes along .
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Every defender dumps a panic kick out of their zone, what else are they supposed to do? Hatch it & get done for HTB? Kick it out of bounds & get done for DOB? Panic handball to the next tiger & transfer the pressure onto them while keeping the ball in the hot zone?
There's a whole host of bad choices for a defender under the pump, Short is one defender out of many in the AFL but they all face the same choices.
At least Short bangs it 50-60mtrs to clear the immediate problem, buying his team mates a few seconds to get into position for the rebound. I watched Adam Saad do the exact same thing multiple times last night, at least the crowd got their 'woof' in while Saad was panicking ... ::)
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Short's AFL stocks at Richmond keep rising
AAP
Tue, 30 August 2022
Jayden Short is ready to take Richmond into their next era of success.
The 26-year-old answered the call when the Tigers needed midfield reinforcements earlier in the season, switching from half-back.
He has thrived, averaging 24.5 disposals and 588.9 metres gained and helping Richmond charge into the finals.
"It's been a bit of a challenge and something that I've had to work on and something I've had to learn, it's new," Short told AAP ahead of Thursday's elimination final against Brisbane at the Gabba.
"I've enjoyed the challenge, to be honest. It's always good to challenge yourself as you get a bit older."
Always challenging Short, on and off the field, is teammate and housemate Liam Baker.
"He's just an amazing player and he just works his arse off," Short said.
"He wants to be the best player he can be, it's pretty inspiring to see him go about it and it certainly motivates me to be a better player as well."
Getting better each year has become a habit for Short.
He just missed out on the 2017 premiership team, then busted a gut to make the cut in 2019 before winning Richmond's best and fairest in the 2020 triumph.
"That's (improving each year) something I've strived to do since the day I walked in the doors," he said.
"I had a pretty good mentor in (recently retired Tiger) Kane Lambert who showed me the ropes early days.
"He got drafted at 23. I was 18. I didn't have much of an idea of what hard work was to be honest.
"From the day I met him, all he really showed me was the harder you work, the luckier you will get.
"So I just chased his arse around for a few years and just tried to do everything that he did and I think it's held me in good stead."
Short, signed until the end of 2027, has delighted in the emergence of young teammates like Josh Gibcus and Noah Cumberland.
He's enjoying teaching them, just like Trent Cotchin, Jack Riewoldt and the retiring Shane Edwards did for him all those years ago.
"They're just amazing people and they've made these club who we are and we're lucky that they're still here to be honest, so I hope they (Cotchin and Riewoldt) continue on," he said.
"But it is awesome that I can be here and see the club grow."
https://au.sports.yahoo.com/shorts-afl-stocks-richmond-keep-000000641.html
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Still maintain his trade bait he aren't no midfielder and we got the back 6 covered.
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Still maintain his trade bait he aren't no midfielder and we got the back 6 covered.
I'm sure Claw will echo your thoughts
But Short won't be put up for trade, especially 3 months after they signed him to a 5 year extension
He like so many had a very poor night
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Still maintain his trade bait he aren't no midfielder and we got the back 6 covered.
I'm sure Claw will echo your thoughts
But Short won't be put up for trade, especially 3 months after they signed him to a 5 year extension
He like so many had a very poor night
Your 100% spot on i think he would get us a decent player or pick and he is superfluous to needs.
Your second point well when they resigned him for so long i straight away thought yep over rating and a mistake. Time will tell but i have to say he was awful in our loss to Brisbane and he is not a player who will drag a team over the line hes one who needs those around him playing well for him to flourish. Will we see this resigning as another mistake in a few years time.
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They can’t all be front rowers , he usually plays his role with most knowledgeable people rating him highly. He will never be a Townsend type but is a handy outside player.
If they signed him for 5 years what’s the chances of Richmond discarding him
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15. Jayden Short
His kicking was precise, setting up the Tigers superbly across half-back. Gained more territory than any other Tigers player. He finished with 20 disposals and six score involvements.
Foxsports rating: 7
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-finals-2022-richmond-tigers-vs-brisbane-lions-second-elimination-final-highlights-stats-best-and-worst-players/news-story/7fc45960b9d79ca09461c1ff3de0ff76
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15. Jayden Short
His kicking was precise, setting up the Tigers superbly across half-back. Gained more territory than any other Tigers player. He finished with 20 disposals and six score involvements.
Foxsports rating: 7
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-finals-2022-richmond-tigers-vs-brisbane-lions-second-elimination-final-highlights-stats-best-and-worst-players/news-story/7fc45960b9d79ca09461c1ff3de0ff76
Just came across this and it really made me laugh. No wonder so many have credability problems with the game its systems and the way its reported.
On another note Hopper,Taranto, Bolton, Cotchin, Martin,Prestia and Sonsie say hellow as far as a mid spot goes. Also despite their shortcomings McIntosh and Pickett are miles in front of him as wingers.
No one want's to say it but there is no longer a place for him in the midfield.
The same can be said down back.
Yep a 5 yr contract well im already questioning it.
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Not his biggest fan but he gets a game down back unless someone bursts onto the scene and proves to be as effective of a rebounder with better defensive skills.
Defensive set-up has to be Vlastuin, Tarrant, Grimes, Balta, broad and Rioli + I think Baker/Short will easily be in the side due to their ability to play across 3 lines.
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15. Jayden Short
His kicking was precise, setting up the Tigers superbly across half-back. Gained more territory than any other Tigers player. He finished with 20 disposals and six score involvements.
Foxsports rating: 7
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-finals-2022-richmond-tigers-vs-brisbane-lions-second-elimination-final-highlights-stats-best-and-worst-players/news-story/7fc45960b9d79ca09461c1ff3de0ff76
Just came across this and it really made me laugh. No wonder so many have credability problems with the game its systems and the way its reported.
On another note Hopper,Taranto, Bolton, Cotchin, Martin,Prestia and Sonsie say hellow as far as a mid spot goes. Also despite their shortcomings McIntosh and Pickett are miles in front of him as wingers.
No one want's to say it but there is no longer a place for him in the midfield.
The same can be said down back.
Yep a 5 yr contract well im already questioning it.
I totally agree that's why I maintain 💯 he should have been traded he aren't getting a gig in the midfield, and for me, the back 6 is settling.
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I cant believe people under-estimate Shorty's value to the team.
We are actually quite low on run and carry distributors like Shorty.
He stepped up to the midfield when needed this year which hurt our backline in my opinion.
Shorty, Bakes and D Rioli are very important to our running game out of defence.
And I dont think Shorty is 'soft at all'
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In our best 22 for mine. Even if you don’t rate his midfield work, he is our best or second best run and carry player/half back flanker. Rioli got a lot of plaudits this season (and rightly so) but let’s not forget shorty was performing that same role to a similar high standard since 2018 even up to about the midway point this year until he got moved into midfield to cover injuries. The fact that he has the ability to pinch hit in the midfield and offer something different is only a + for me.
Blair mentioned that we had been targeting TT and Hopps for the past 1-2 years so while knowing that one or both those boys were potentially signing at the end of the season, the club still went ahead and resigned short to a long term deal. Tells you all you need to know about how the club value him imo.
Until a player can provide what shorty does as consistently as he does then he stays in the team. Not going to select an inferior player to him just because they happen to be a few years younger.
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Good player, maybe not a pure inside mid but can rotate between pretty much all of HB, outside mid, wing and HF to snag a goal.
Good player to have on your bench IMO
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I mean, even if he's not suddenly in our best 22, that is a really good thing, is it not? So I'm not worried either way: happy for him to play; happy to have 22 others so good that the 2020 Jack Dyer medalist is 'depth'.
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In our best 22 for mine. Even if you don’t rate his midfield work, he is our best or second best run and carry player/half back flanker. Rioli got a lot of plaudits this season (and rightly so) but let’s not forget shorty was performing that same role to a similar high standard since 2018 even up to about the midway point this year until he got moved into midfield to cover injuries. The fact that he has the ability to pinch hit in the midfield and offer something different is only a + for me.
Blair mentioned that we had been targeting TT and Hopps for the past 1-2 years so while knowing that one or both those boys were potentially signing at the end of the season, the club still went ahead and resigned short to a long term deal. Tells you all you need to know about how the club value him imo.
Until a player can provide what shorty does as consistently as he does then he stays in the team. Not going to select an inferior player to him just because they happen to be a few years younger.
We already found a player who actually offers more than Short. That is Rioli. And while Brown is not there yet i think he will be a better option moving fwd as well.
Funny soft hard running types have found a home across hb at tigerland over the last 10 or so years. Houli, Ellis Short come straight to mind and Rioli took to it like a duck to water. To be fair most clubs have had them and found them easy enough.
Its a place to blood kids or as a last resort save a players career.
Yes the role they are asked to play is a role that in the past has been reserved for kids with pace and good skills.
If we look im sure it won't be hard to find others. Would not mind them trying someone like Dow there and of Course Brown and Banks were recruited as running half backs and Ralphsmith would thrive there as well in that outside no contact role.
For me there is no longer a HB role there for him. he is well down the pecking order as a mid and sheesh Cumberland M Rioli and even Clarke are better fwd options not to mention the Mids we have who go thru there in Sonsie, Martin and Bolton.
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So what your saying is that short is our second best run and carry player/half back flanker atm but you expect a younger player to overtake him to which both players you nominated are yet to play a single afl game between them. Sounds to me like he’s best 22. If a kid steps up and plays his role better than him then so be it however it’s quite clear from all your previous posts that you don’t rate short and would throw out any name as candidates to take his spot. I haven’t seen any characteristic from Dow that would suggest he would make a good half back flanker, he doesn’t possess speed or strong kicking skills so not sure why you’ve thrown his name out there.
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Stray thought. Does short have the tank to play wing? I was thinking that Scully at his peak was one of the best wingman I’ve seen. With short’s raking kick does anyone know if he could build the tank to be shifted to that role ?
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Sure hes got the tank, he just doesn't provide any of the defensive skill that Mcintosh has or the aggression of Pickett
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Jayden Short will enter the 2023 season as the player with the most consecutive AFL games on Richmond’s list.
The two-time premiership Tiger and 2020 Jack Dyer Medallist has played 78 consecutive games since Round 15 of the 2019 season.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1260178/short-s-durability-highlighted
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So what your saying is that short is our second best run and carry player/half back flanker atm but you expect a younger player to overtake him to which both players you nominated are yet to play a single afl game between them. Sounds to me like he’s best 22. If a kid steps up and plays his role better than him then so be it however it’s quite clear from all your previous posts that you don’t rate short and would throw out any name as candidates to take his spot. I haven’t seen any characteristic from Dow that would suggest he would make a good half back flanker, he doesn’t possess speed or strong kicking skills so not sure why you’ve thrown his name out there.
Nope i dont think him as good a run and carry player as people rave on about. l what is evident is the more congested it gets the more he panics.
And while plenty carry on about his kicking i think its not as good as people think.
Stop and think about the role he actually plays ffs. Dan Rioli took to it like a duck on water. Most kids coming into the game manage to play the role pretty well and if persevered with there get raved about just like Short. Lots of older players who struggle ressurect careers when thrown there. Think about it its an easy possession look a million bucks role and people rave about em..
The simple fact is he is not in the best 6 in defense atm, we are picking Vlastuin Grimes, Broad, Rioli, Tarrant and Balta or Gibcus in front of him every day of the week. We also have two wingers who get back and do a lot of work coming out of defense.
Personally if the role has to go to an outside runner then id be inclined to give it to HR-S who actually has explosive line breaking pace and better delivery imo . And from the little ive seen Brown Banks and Smith have better ALL ROUND SKILLS for the role. Why draft these half backs if we are not going to play em there.
As for a mid role cmon he is well down the order its laughable for anyone to suggest otherwise.
You want to play him fwd the following all say hello Bolton, Martin, Rioli, Cumberland Taranto Sonsie.
You think im kicking him but i just think others are better suited in the roles he does or gone past him.
Best 23 as a running player maybe just.
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Think he could be one who slides down the pecking order this year.
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His replaceable for me and still maintain his tradeable.
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His replaceable for me and still maintain his tradeable.
Would need to be a large fall- can't see it :shh
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Basically everyone is tradeable. Shorty was signed to a juicy 5 year deal not long ago however, so you'd think the club are more than happy with how he's going. Do tend to agree that he's not in our strongest back six now, but off the bench and through the wing as well as forward works. Can play across 3 lines
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His replaceable for me and still maintain his tradeable.
Would need to be a large fall- can't see it :shh
You can’t see any of them fall
Your best 22/23 has about 35 in it
Would love to know your actual best side currently, keeping in mind Jack Graham needs to be in it .. there will be some very unlucky and superior options missing in your side I think
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:lol
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DEFENDERS - Tarrant, Balta, Grimes, Vlastuin, Broad, Rioli. Then Short along with Gibcus, Brown, Banks, HRS, Smith.
MIDS - Taranto, Prestia, Hopper, Martin, Cotchin, Bolton, Sonsie. Then Ross, Graham, Baker, Short.
WING - Pickett, McIntosh, HRS, Banks, Short.
FORWARD - Lynch - Riewoldt, Cumberland, M Rioli, Bolton, Martin, Taranto, Sonsie, Clarke possibly Miller fwd/ruck . Then Castagna, Campbell, Short.
They are close to the pecking order imo in each area.
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DEFENDERS - Tarrant, Balta, Grimes, Vlastuin, Broad, Rioli. Then Short along with Gibcus, Brown, Banks, HRS, Smith.
MIDS - Taranto, Prestia, Hopper, Martin, Cotchin, Bolton, Sonsie. Then Ross, Graham, Baker, Short.
WING - Pickett, McIntosh, HRS, Banks, Short.
FORWARD - Lynch - Riewoldt, Cumberland, M Rioli, Bolton, Martin, Taranto, Sonsie, Clarke possibly Miller fwd/ruck . Then Castagna, Campbell, Short.
They are close to the pecking order imo in each area.
So what you're saying is he's a walk up start because he can play across all four lines?
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DEFENDERS - Tarrant, Balta, Grimes, Vlastuin, Broad, Rioli. Then Short along with Gibcus, Brown, Banks, HRS, Smith.
MIDS - Taranto, Prestia, Hopper, Martin, Cotchin, Bolton, Sonsie. Then Ross, Graham, Baker, Short.
WING - Pickett, McIntosh, HRS, Banks, Short.
FORWARD - Lynch - Riewoldt, Cumberland, M Rioli, Bolton, Martin, Taranto, Sonsie, Clarke possibly Miller fwd/ruck . Then Castagna, Campbell, Short.
They are close to the pecking order imo in each area.
So what you're saying is he's a walk up start because he can play across all four lines?
I’d slide baker ahead of short in defence as that’s what the coaches prefer based on end of last season and pre season. I’d personally have baker mid/fwd as you’ve shown.
I’d also defs have short ahead of Hugo and banks on the wing. Can’t think of anything Hugo offers more than short other than speed and haven’t seen banks at AFL level. I’d personally trial sonsie there as I think he has all the attributes - strong overhead mark, beautiful kick on either side, don’t think he has the tank of the others but that can be developed.
As for the forward line, yeah I don’t think he’ll be spending any time there but for arguments sake of still prefer him to Castagna and never seen Campbell play.
Agree he’s on the edge across all lines but I think the fact that he can contribute across all works in his favour. Very much see baker/short/Miller as utility types who may start on the coaches preferred line but can be shifted around as the game dictates maybe due to injury or a player being tagged out of the game or just to try something different.
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DEFENDERS - Tarrant, Balta, Grimes, Vlastuin, Broad, Rioli. Then Short along with Gibcus, Brown, Banks, HRS, Smith.
MIDS - Taranto, Prestia, Hopper, Martin, Cotchin, Bolton, Sonsie. Then Ross, Graham, Baker, Short.
WING - Pickett, McIntosh, HRS, Banks, Short.
FORWARD - Lynch - Riewoldt, Cumberland, M Rioli, Bolton, Martin, Taranto, Sonsie, Clarke possibly Miller fwd/ruck . Then Castagna, Campbell, Short.
They are close to the pecking order imo in each area.
So what you're saying is he's a walk up start because he can play across all four lines?
Lol maybe as a sub. The old saying of okay at all things but master of none comes to mind.
Fmd Miller can play fwd Ruck and kpd and in anyones language is more important to structure is he a walk up start. If it came to it Miller or Short i know who id pick and for all the right reasons.
In all four roles there are better credentialled players than Jayden. As i have already said his ability to perform reasonably well in all of them still leaves him behind those who are better at the singular role.
The blokes in the back half all get a gig in front of him imo. so lets do it
B: Vlastuin - Tarrant - Grimes
HB: Broad - Balta - Rioli.
Lets not kid ourselves every day of the week these six are the backline now that Gibcus is injured. He may be the next cab off the rank if Rioli gets hurt but exactly at what stage do we pick one of the kids we have explicitly drafted as hb.
Lets also put our long term hats on!!!!. Brown is talked up big time by the club and a pick 17 to boot. Probably only size holding him back last year.
Another year in, another preseason and we would be dumb dumb dumb not to be looking at him especially after all the club spiel as the next big thing at H/B... You seem to think its some sort of specialist position but refuse to acknowledge just how much freedom it provides Rioli and before him Short Ellis Houli.
We have to find a good balance of oldies and youngsters and play the promising kids in their best roles or maybe you think development of kids doesnt matter. Why draft specialist defenders and then not play them.
C: Pickett - Taranto - McIntosh
Wings okay i will keep it short for once. No way is he being picked in front of Pickett or McIntosh on a wing, and thats as much as i think McIntosh is replaceable. Always thought wing was a place we could play kids as well. Banks and Ralphsmith should be getting a look in in the role and even Brown.. It is a place we can play these types and get some afl games into them.
Not going to continue on too much.
Mids - Taranto, Cotchin, Prestia, Hopper, Martin, Bolton and Sonsie. there is no more needed. if picking mids he is well down the order if say him playing mid meant Sonsie missed then it would be a mistake and wrong.
Same story with the fwds why would we pick Short or Baker or Graham in front of Rioli or Cumberland or even Clarke for that matter.all specialist small fwds and better with their forward craft.
The bench or sub well this is where his versatility can help him so for me he's somewhere between best 19 to 24.
Miller Baker Sonsie are bench it doesnt leave many spots left.
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Outside runner Jayden Short will miss at least another week with his calf concern, with Hardwick conceding “in hindsight” the Tigers rushed him back from his initial calf injury in the pre-season.
“Probably a good call (to rule Short out for this week); calves, once you get towards the age of 30, start to get a bit more delicate. We do take the extra week so they can nag,” he said.
“In hindsight, you’d probably say yes (we did rush him), but once again we had a pretty good training block where we thought we’d get him right.
“It was probably aggravated by a corkie in the other leg, which meant his gait changed, so it compounded things. All in all it is easy to look back, but we’d probably go the same way.”
Source: HeraldSun (https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-bolstered-by-stars-as-coach-damien-hardwick-makes-dissent-gag/news-story/71f9d49f2ff31b1d25d9572678956985).
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From Barrett's 'Sliding Doors' column:
IF ...
Lynch, Nank, Graham, Broad, Tarrant and Gibcus have been on the injured/unavailable list ...
THEN ...
Jayden Short getting himself off it is massive. The best-and-fairest in a premiership year (2020) has been a huge out.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/907510/if-there-s-something-damo-just-cannot-cop-then
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Been good having this bloke back, he's been clean picking up the ball and providing loads of run, winning territory very well.
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Missed him hugely. Not enough players have good enough foot skills.
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He is a gun
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Did Short win a B&F in a premiership, duds don’t win these awards imho
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Did Short win a B&F in a premiership, duds don’t win these awards imho
Yes sir :cheers
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The big Short (influence)
Richmond has been hit hard by injuries this season but the impact of Jayden Short's absence became extra clear upon his return on Monday night. Short had missed the Tigers' previous three games with a calf injury (all of which were defeats) but he was back to some of his best against the Demons. The 27-year-old was terrific, particularly in the first three quarters, gathering 30 disposals and having a game-high 644 metres gained.
Source: AFL website (https://www.afl.com.au/news/911774/young-forward-fires-late-as-dees-lift-to-sink-plucky-tigers).
30 disposals (21k, 9h, 8c, 22u, 76.7% eff.)
7 marks
3 tackles
4 inside 50s
644 metres gained
9 intercepts
4 score involvements
1 goal assist
1 behind
84% time on ground
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Was our best last night.
Anyone who chooses not to see his worth to the side is living under a rock
We are a better side with Short out there
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Lol he shat his pants how many times panic attacks and just coffed the ball back especially first half. How many goals did he cost us.
You take the good with the bad with him but supporters clearly are blinkered and only ever see the good. He is literally as soft as they come as well.
Was a decent game and did his usual outside job. But fmd the numbers sugarcoat an awful lot.
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Short is by far out best kick, the idea of trade bait is absolutely madness. We are an ordinary kicking side with him, without him we saw just how below average we are at moving the footy. He'd be top 3-4 most important players by far. Loved seeing him back.
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Lol he shat his pants how many times panic attacks and just coffed the ball back especially first half. How many goals did he cost us.
You take the good with the bad with him but supporters clearly are blinkered and only ever see the good. He is literally as soft as they come as well.
Was a decent game and did his usual outside job. But fmd the numbers sugarcoat an awful lot.
Would get a game in any clubs best 22.
Joel Bowden was soft as butter at times too. Yet was a champ.
Houli at times shirked when he had to go. I'm not bothered he doesnt have Baker's gonads when he kicks the ball as well as he does and gets that much of it. No issue at all. If we are relying on Short to put his head in line of fire and get contested marks and possessions we have way bigger problems.
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Criticising Short for being 'soft' is about as useful as bagging Grimes for not kicking more goals.
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Lol he shat his pants how many times panic attacks and just coffed the ball back especially first half. How many goals did he cost us.
You take the good with the bad with him but supporters clearly are blinkered and only ever see the good. He is literally as soft as they come as well.
Was a decent game and did his usual outside job. But fmd the numbers sugarcoat an awful lot.
Short first game back a little rusty but very important to our structure considering the extra work teams are putting into D Rioli. He was just about our best and was instrumental to getting our offensive game going.
Vlaustin has cost us goals last night and has been woeful all year but crickets :shh
Maybe you may have your selective blinkers on too :rollin
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I don't think he crapped himself at all.
Was clean AF.
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Lol he shat his pants how many times panic attacks and just coffed the ball back especially first half. How many goals did he cost us.
You take the good with the bad with him but supporters clearly are blinkered and only ever see the good. He is literally as soft as they come as well.
Was a decent game and did his usual outside job. But fmd the numbers sugarcoat an awful lot.
Short first game back a little rusty but very important to our structure considering the extra work teams are putting into D Rioli. He was just about our best and was instrumental to getting our offensive game going.
Vlaustin has cost us goals last night and has been woeful all year but crickets :shh
Maybe you may have your selective blinkers on too :rollin
Nope wrong again and nice little try at deflection. Ive stated a few times that both Vlastuin and Grimes should be on notice. Trouble is we only have one Vlastuin type and thats Nick himself and we are down on talls big time with Grimes.
With Short i did say it was a decent game but that does not mean you overlook the panic attacks and just slamming it on his boot or panic handball when hes about to be tackled which cost us. But you lot sure do.
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Back to being a full-time rebounding defender on Monday night rather than 50/50 in the midfield.
Jayden Short has played 53% of game time in defence this season including 100% last night. He had 30 disposals, 7 marks, and a game-high 644 metres gained. #SuperCoach #AFLFantasy
https://twitter.com/FantasyFreako/status/1650641037537443841
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He was very good the other night.
He makes the odd mistake, but he is easily one of our best kicks.
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Given the stand rule I feel like the long kicking HB is at a premium. Short’s obviously not on Daicos’ level but you see how important the kick ins and that kick out of HB is now we have this stand rule with a a massive protected area
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Jayden Short is one of three players on the field with more than 450 metres gained. This year, he averages the fourth most net metres gained in the competition, averaging 910.4 net metres each game.
https://www.afl.com.au/afl/matches/4849#timeline
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Huge game from Shorty.
26 disposals (22k, 4h, 8c, 17u, 80.8% eff.)
9 marks
3 tackles
4 clearances
5 inside 50s
714 metres gained
5 intercepts
6 score involvements
77% time on ground
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Continues his great form. Missed him big time.
Would absolutely NOT shop him around.
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Continues his great form. Missed him big time.
Would absolutely NOT shop him around.
Hard agree.
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He is a ripper
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26 at 80% yet some people reckon he’s no good :lol
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He’s on SEN now
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Not enough love for this guy...has been huge this year and has developed into a serious mid. His all round game is elite and is at the top of his game right now. What a player he is :shh
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a lot of love from me. Very important and has been a great player for a very long time.
Rapt for him.
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We are better team when he is out there
Simple as that
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Especially with the stand rule I feel like it’s super important to have a Jayden short type. He won me over that time he had a dislocated elbow? From memory and was still trying to keep the ball in tigers possession. You can’t teach that
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Yep.
Has grown a leg this year.
Love what he brings.
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Especially with the stand rule I feel like it’s super important to have a Jayden short type. He won me over that time he had a dislocated elbow? From memory and was still trying to keep the ball in tigers possession. You can’t teach that
Yes, 2017 against the Giants. Courage personified! Yet people still question his courage
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Think it was 2019 WP.
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Think it was 2019 WP.
You're probably right.
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To me it’s quite clear teammates look for him to deliver the ball by hand or foot as he delivers the ball well and reads the play very well.As much as I hate American football terms being used in our game I see shorty as our quarterback
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For a guy his size, the absolute roost he can get on the footy off just a single step is damn impressive and Defs comes in handy.
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lol people really are blinkered.
That was a typical Short game and given the free role he gets every week its about what you would want out of him. In fact id go a step further and say that was one of his better games this year but its still awfully deficient in too many areas for me..
Oh by the way he had 700 odd metres gained thats to be expected given his ball use and role. Think about it the ball is dished out to him on a regular basis he is not accountable to anyone usually no one is close to him he recieves and runs his measure and bangs the ball 50 metres down the line and its usually to a contest but that is never factored in.
I say again Of his 26 disposals 22 were kicks mostly long up the line of which at lest half went to a contest.!!!!!.He only had 4 contested possesions his team mates are getting it to him on a platter.
Only my opinion but his outside game is decent and keeps getting him a game and has supporters well blinkered is a nice way to say what i think.
His inside game and defense is pretty damn poor imo. His game is heavily reliant on his team mates getting the ball to him which they do a lot.
Most times teams just leave him be and i can see why his hurt factor by foot is just about the most over rated of any player in the comp again just my opinion.
Needless to say he is not my favorite type of player.
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How strange a ruckman is usually better at rucking, a forward better kicking goals, a Backman better at marking his man, an inside player better getting the ball and a outside man better at running outside and gaining metres. An AFL team requires many types and we are lucky to have some players gifted at their roles. Short is one of those. We need him and would be a worse team without him in it. Blinked as that maybe.
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I’m sitting here at home and have this image of Ivan Soldo running off half back all game delivering billy Barrot style passes down the throat of a leading Jack or Tom lynch.
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I’m sitting here at home and have this image of Ivan Soldo running off half back all game delivering billy Barrot style passes down the throat of a leading Jack or Tom lynch.
Shivers
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Especially with the stand rule I feel like it’s super important to have a Jayden short type. He won me over that time he had a dislocated elbow? From memory and was still trying to keep the ball in tigers possession. You can’t teach that
Yes, 2017 against the Giants. Courage personified! Yet people still question his courage
People question his courage when he pulls out. Same way they did with Brave Brando and Jordy Mac
But I do think we are a lot better with him in the side at the moment
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Especially with the stand rule I feel like it’s super important to have a Jayden short type. He won me over that time he had a dislocated elbow? From memory and was still trying to keep the ball in tigers possession. You can’t teach that
Yes, 2017 against the Giants. Courage personified! Yet people still question his courage
People question his courage when he pulls out. Same way they did with Brave Brando and Jordy Mac
But I do think we are a lot better with him in the side at the moment
Agree AT
But compared to HRS, Shorty is a gutsy second becoming of Captain Blood
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:lol very true
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Shorty is a guest on AFL360 tonight.
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Shorty is a guest on AFL360 tonight.
On now.
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Jayden Short on the differences at Tigerland since the departure of Damien Hardwick.
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1663498231630954496
“He believed in me before I believed in myself” - Short.
Shorty also told Robbo that "100%" he's sticking around at Tigerland. Robbo didn't know Short is contracted until 2027.
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"I wasn't that confident - I was playing mid for a few weeks, and couldn't get near the goals!"
Jayden Short equalled his career-high with 3 goals against the Dockers (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f44f.svg)
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1667511537580273664
20 disposals (15k, 5h, 4c, 13u, 70% eff.)
6 marks
3 tackles
1 clearance
3 inside 50s
398 metres gained
4 intercepts
4 score involvements
3 goals
76% time on ground
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3 bombs that went straight through the middle, think one was on his opposite too?
Back in his best role across half back imo.
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And some question his kicking :whistle almost the best in the business me thinks :shh
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Waiting for clawski input
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Waiting for clawski input
Claw could win 25 million in lotto
Complain about the ticket purchasing process
Complain about the newsagency where the ticket was bought
Complain about the person serving him
Complain about the payout process
Complain about tax implications
Praise his driving ability to reach the newsagency
Praise his ability to pick the correct numbers
Criticise all non winners for picking wrong
And finally complain that the last jackpot was 30 million
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:lol
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Waiting for clawski input
Claw could win 25 million in lotto
Complain about the ticket purchasing process
Complain about the newsagency where the ticket was bought
Complain about the person serving him
Complain about the payout process
Complain about tax implications
Praise his driving ability to reach the newsagency
Praise his ability to pick the correct numbers
Criticise all non winners for picking wrong
And finally complain that the last jackpot was 30 million
And add that the only reason he won lotto because he was the only one prepared to put his head over the ticket when he filled out the form.
“This is why Shorty will never win lotto”
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Waiting for clawski input
Claw could win 25 million in lotto
Complain about the ticket purchasing process
Complain about the newsagency where the ticket was bought
Complain about the person serving him
Complain about the payout process
Complain about tax implications
Praise his driving ability to reach the newsagency
Praise his ability to pick the correct numbers
Criticise all non winners for picking wrong
And finally complain that the last jackpot was 30 million
:lol :lol :lol
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Waiting for clawski input
Claw could win 25 million in lotto
Complain about the ticket purchasing process
Complain about the newsagency where the ticket was bought
Complain about the person serving him
Complain about the payout process
Complain about tax implications
Praise his driving ability to reach the newsagency
Praise his ability to pick the correct numbers
Criticise all non winners for picking wrong
And finally complain that the last jackpot was 30 million
And add that the only reason he won lotto because he was the only one prepared to put his head over the ticket when he filled out the form.
“This is why Shorty will never win lotto”
:lol :lol :lol
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I just read claws posts in a Brummie accent these days.... :shh
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I just read claws posts in a Brummie accent these days.... :shh
:lol. Or the accent of Blakey from On The Buses…
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How on earth can you say this bloke Is no good?
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What was that about gimmee goals or something
Seriously very few players could do that regularly
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How on earth can you say this bloke Is no good?
It's the kind of bullcrap that Cornhead would say just to get a reaction
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If he’s anywhere within 70m I say have a ping at it.
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Another couple of easy cheap goals put the back. :lol
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Shorty's game including 713 metres gained and 2 goals from downtown.
23 disposals (19k, 4h, 8c, 14u, 82.6% eff.)
5 marks
2 tackles
1 clearance
3 inside 50s
713 metres gained
7 intercepts
2 score involvements
2 goals
80% time on ground
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Another couple of easy cheap goals put the back. :lol
Yep, at least he's consistent :thumbsup
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Imagine if Shorty was able (or could be bothered) to put the same standards of posting about him on this forum.
Something like:-
“Lazy and unaccountable post on me”
“Went missing posting when Richmond had a win”
“Loves to post when we have a loss (or i have a poor game) - anyone can post negative crap when we have a loss”
Seems ironic.
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two goals from down town. the second one off two steps was a great long goal.
Trouble is with Jayden and blokes like ross no one mentions the lead they cost us early in the game with their mistakes and poor disposal.
Short made up for it with the two goals just like last week the three he got made his game passable.
Will say it now the goals from outside 50 will dry up just like they have in the past. I can say that because we have been here before.a few games where he drifted past around the 50 and a few goals then sides just went with him when he went fwd and then nothing for god knows how long.
I still maintain if you take the 5 goals out of the last two games the rest of his game in both games leaves a fair bit to be desired.
No one is saying he cannot roost the ball never been the case just that most of the time little comes from it. Seems he is a good long kick at goal
when teams afford him the time and space.
Im gunna challenge all and sundry to go and look at what actually comes from the majority of his disposals. It really is ordinary.
Imagine if Shorty was able (or could be bothered) to put the same standards of posting about him on this forum.
Something like:-
“Lazy and unaccountable post on me”
“Went missing posting when Richmond had a win”
“Loves to post when we have a loss (or i have a poor game) - anyone can post negative crap when we have a loss”
Seems ironic.
What a load of crock win or lose i always post and unlike most around here i stick to my guns two games doesnt make a season but he you paint it however you like.
Good on short he has 5 of his 6 goals this year in the last two games and not one has come from inside 50.What does that make it now 33 goals in 148 games.
What happens when they invariably dry up again what do you hang your hat on then. The weak as pee tackling efforts the bang it on the foot 50 60 metres down the line only to see the opposition win the ball and send it back at us the panic attacks when confronted mate they have not gone away and no amount of goals will cover them over..
I tell ya what Jayden needs to be a bit careful teams might actually put a bit of work into him at this rate whats he gunna do without all the cheapies hes allowed.
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I tell ya what Jayden needs to be a bit careful teams might actually put a bit of work into him at this rate whats he gunna do without all the cheapies hes allowed.
But based on what you constantly remind us and that he is a bit of a dud why would any opposition "put any work in to him"?
Wouldn't be worth the effort would it? Seeing in your opinion he is consistently "really ordinary"
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I tell ya what Jayden needs to be a bit careful teams might actually put a bit of work into him at this rate whats he gunna do without all the cheapies hes allowed.
But based on what you constantly remind us and that he is a bit of a dud why would any opposition "put any work in to him"?
Wouldn't be worth the effort would it? Seeing in your opinion he is consistently "really ordinary"
That's a "gotchya" moment.
The boy wants it both ways.
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"Over the last two weeks, he's kicked five goals from outside 50. Four of those goals have come in the first quarter where Richmond have been up against it."
- Daniel Hoyne on Jayden Short
https://twitter.com/SENSportsday/status/1671076020806619136
Jayden Short's last two weeks:
• Disposals inside forward 50: 0️⃣
• Goals: 5️⃣
Don't see that too often (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f605.svg)
(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/animatedvidsgifs/Short5goals.gif)
https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1671016163898429440
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Nice!
Shame #4 angle, doesn't show that he roosted that about 65m
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If you can kick long goals from outside 50 it's smartly tactically too. Makes the opposition flooding inside our F50 pointless and will force them in time to have to keep some of their numbers outside which will then open up gaps inside 50 for us to lower our eyes and hit up teammates.
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Onya Jayden "Gimee" Short
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It also makes the opposition accountable by Manning Up on Short and that player not flooding our backline
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Would love to see him absolutely flush a torpedo and see how far it goes
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I tell ya what Jayden needs to be a bit careful teams might actually put a bit of work into him at this rate whats he gunna do without all the cheapies hes allowed.
But based on what you constantly remind us and that he is a bit of a dud why would any opposition "put any work in to him"?
Wouldn't be worth the effort would it? Seeing in your opinion he is consistently "really ordinary"
Oh dear oh dear. Poor william a favorite copping a bit of criticism and the only answer is to be disingenuous.
Teams do ignore him why is that mate. Oh by the way where have i called him a dud. Called him lots of things a lot of them derogatorybut please william stop being so precious.
Cmon look past the goals he got and yes they were cheapies as far as the way he got the ball goes. how would you rate the rest of those two games.
Me i would just like to see one game where he doesnt crap himself once, yet alone the numerous times it happens most weeks.
What did you think of his game early on when certain efforts cost us a 23 point lead.
How about looking at it this way. how much credit do you give to blokes who get a few joe the goose goals in a game. Thats Shorts goals except he is further out.
Yes he executed them well because of the distance, but they were every bit as soft as getting a joe the goose over the top in the goal square.
And your right teams will now put a bit of work into him when he tries to drift fwd. Yes he is mostly very ordinary, ordinary dud is your words by the way but he has shown if left alone forward of centre he can hurt. Not just this year or more to the point the last two games but a few seasons ago where teams soon put a stop to it.
what we are taliking about is he only gets those goals because teams just dont put any work into him because he has rarely hurt teams i mean to say 33 goals in 148 games says im right on this.
As stated earlier two games doesnt make a season and a few goals does not hide the awful efforts that you continually ignore and refuse to comment on.
hey you just focus on the last two games. Thats fine by me i will just focus on the games he totally stuffs up and let you know about it which is regularly.
Nothing will change teams will mostly ignore him which happens now, but he will likely get picked up when he sneaks fwd looking for a soft cheap goal. That is the only time any team has put some work into him and will do again.
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Load of bunkum claw. Goals from outside 50 are not lengthy joe-the-gooses, they are absolute rare gold. Every coach in the AFL would kill for someone who can kick goals from 55.
You may as well just say "I don't like outside players" and leave it at that.
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Lol one of them was from just outside the centre square. That's what, a 65m kick? Probably less than 1% of players can kick a goal from there on a good day. Nothin joe-the-goose about being in the top 1%.
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We all praise Jayden for his kicking and rightly so but I also think when he has the ball he sets play up he’s very creative . Along with Baker I have him as a future captain of the club
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We all praise Jayden for his kicking and rightly so but I also think when he has the ball he sets play up he’s very creative . Along with Baker I have him as a future captain of the club
Nope.. he's a great player but not a Captain.. Captain needs king size 🍒.. Baker or Taranto should be our next captain
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And our captain's must not be captain's next year. Grimes and Nank just are not true captain's . Dimma messed up there. Punished Cotchin because cotchin wasn't happy with Dimmas wandering bazooka
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And our captain's must not be captain's next year. Grimes and Nank just are not true captain's . Dimma messed up there. Punished Cotchin because cotchin wasn't happy with Dimmas wandering bazooka
So you are suggesting1/ that Dimma appointed the Captain(s) all on his own and 2/ Cotchin didn't relinquish the Captaincy? So by extension lied?
Seriously?
Oki doki then :huh3
So far off the mark it's not funny
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And our captain's must not be captain's next year. Grimes and Nank just are not true captain's . Dimma messed up there. Punished Cotchin because cotchin wasn't happy with Dimmas wandering bazooka
So you are suggesting1/ that Dimma appointed the Captain(s) all on his own and 2/ Cotchin didn't relinquish the Captaincy? So by extension lied?
Seriously?
Oki doki then :huh3
So far off the mark it's not funny
If you say so. But remember nothing is as it seems and nothing seems as it is.. Cotchin is a man of morals. Dimma proved he wasn't. See how smooth the transition has been, I wonder why?
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You obviously believe all they tell the media is the truth. Lmao. Can assure you cotchin wanted dimma sacked as soon as his manhood wandered . Total respect gone at that point. Fact! Players are so much happier now it stands out like dogs balls on a budgie. Believing media is like believing the government LMAO
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Grimes was also meant to be sole captain, but after performing a childish prank during preseason camp they decided to bring nank in and have co captain's.. and to be frank, neither of them are captain material
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You obviously believe all they tell the media is the truth. Lmao. Can assure you cotchin wanted dimma sacked as soon as his manhood wandered . Total respect gone at that point. Fact! Players are so much happier now it stands out like dogs balls on a budgie. Believing media is like believing the government LMAO
Who said anything about believing the media?
Arrrrr the good old "Fact!" Take them with a grain of salt
And here's a tip for you. In 2 days your gutter talk has been over the top. Tone it down ASAP. We have a 3 strike policy and everyone is subject to it.
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You obviously believe all they tell the media is the truth. Lmao. Can assure you cotchin wanted dimma sacked as soon as his manhood wandered . Total respect gone at that point. Fact! Players are so much happier now it stands out like dogs balls on a budgie. Believing media is like believing the government LMAO
Who said anything about believing the media?
Arrrrr the good old "Fact!" Take them with a grain of salt
And here's a tip for you. In 2 days your gutter talk has been over the top. Tone it down ASAP. We have a 3 strike policy and everyone is subject to it.
What gutter talk? And when I am told things directly from players that frequented my restaurant frequently, I believe them seriously. . Forest from the trees
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Fantastic, another poster with obviously very reliable inside info. Beautiful
Great
Awesome
Shhhhhhh :shh
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I am talking about this type of gutter talk
it stands out like dogs balls on a budgie.
Notice some others from uesterday have disappeared :whistle
Nothing to do with your "inside" info. ::)
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Blah blah blah
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:snidegrin
Anyone ever seen Don Sicilia and Assange Tiger post at the same time?.....
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Hmm. We sure it's not a wind up from a site larrikin?..
If this unit is a serious genuine poster than holy smokes! :lol
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It sure as poo ain’t me Slick Willy :lol I swear on gerkin gregs nuts
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It sure as poo ain’t me Slick Willy :lol I swear on gerkin gregs nuts
:lol
It's so hard to know who to trust in this crazy woke matrix... :shh
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:banghead :banghead
Snip
Stick to the topic
You all know the rules
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The vision of Shorty doing his hammy in the 2nd quarter :(.
https://www.afl.com.au/video/958376/gun-tiger-pulls-up-short-in-big-hammy-blow
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Come on down Banksy. :shh
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Come on down Banksy. :shh
Yup. Surely that’s his debut locked in for next week.
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Shorty got through training according to 'Spy' and so Jayden will finally get to play his 150th on Sunday.
2016 16 games
2017 16
2018 24
2019 15 ..... Premiership
2020 21 ..... Premiership
2021 22
2022 23
2023 13*
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Total 150* games
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/J/Jayden_Short.html
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Big in. Was in ripping form before he did his hammy.
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Hopefully his hamstring is good enough for another goal or two from outside the arc
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Short's 150th put on hold once again :-\.
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1684741221846323200
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Short's 150th put on hold once again :-\.
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1684741221846323200
Clearly not quite right then.
Best rest him for the next week.
HRS though.....ugh
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not worth risking injured players, gives the kids a bit of experience
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they were happy to risk Lynch though at the start of the season which has now ruled him out for the rest of the season. nfi
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not worth risking injured players, gives the kids a bit of experience
Lmfao what kids.
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not worth risking injured players, gives the kids a bit of experience
Lmfao what kids.
exactly, the cupboard is very bare
Sonzie was supposed to be the next best thing and where has he gone>?
HRS and MRJ are both for the dingley tip at present
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not worth risking injured players, gives the kids a bit of experience
Lmfao what kids.
exactly, the cupboard is very bare
Sonzie was supposed to be the next best thing and where has he gone>?
HRS and MRJ are both for the dingley tip at present
The Dingley tip has been closed for at least 10 years. At one stage it was going to be Hawthorn's new base.
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not worth risking injured players, gives the kids a bit of experience
Lmfao what kids.
exactly, the cupboard is very bare
Sonzie was supposed to be the next best thing and where has he gone>?
HRS and MRJ are both for the dingley tip at present
Sonsie is off to see the Wizard iof Oz - he needs an interest in contested ball.
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not worth risking injured players, gives the kids a bit of experience
Lmfao what kids.
exactly, the cupboard is very bare
Sonzie was supposed to be the next best thing and where has he gone>?
HRS and MRJ are both for the dingley tip at present
The Dingley tip has been closed for at least 10 years. At one stage it was going to be Hawthorn's new base.
It's not the only thing that's been closed for 10 years :shh
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not worth risking injured players, gives the kids a bit of experience
Lmfao what kids.
exactly, the cupboard is very bare
Sonzie was supposed to be the next best thing and where has he gone>?
HRS and MRJ are both for the dingley tip at present
I agree both are struggling but that is a disgusting way to post about both young men.
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Hopefully this doesn't mozz Shorty this week :-X. Available to play according to the RFC website, so he will finally get to play his 150th on Friday night.
2016 16 games
2017 16
2018 24
2019 15 ..... Premiership
2020 21 ..... Premiership
2021 22
2022 23
2023 13*
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Total 150* games
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/J/Jayden_Short.html
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Another amazing rookie pick. Well done mate
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Yep, great get as a rookie,
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'I believe we have the best job in the world' - Short
Jayden Short speaks with Richmond Media ahead of his 150th AFL game this weekend.
WATCH HERE: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1393592/-i-believe-we-have-the-best-job-in-the-world-short
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2l_B96acAAQtDs?format=webp&name=900x900)
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1687025008936390656
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Congratulations to Shorty & Maddy on their engagement! :clapping
In Cinque Terre, Italy
https://www.instagram.com/p/CxC4ymfAdzA/?img_index=1
https://twitter.com/Richmond_FC/status/1701172573877551604
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Shorty batting miles above. Well done to all
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Shorty batting miles above. Well done to all
Pfft what makes her so special?
He has the money and the status, she has the looks. It's a match as old as mankind.
I'd even say she's the one batting, or at least batting away other girls from her man.
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Lloyd Christmas done good.
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Jayden Short was the best kick in the AFL on his non-dominant side based on kick rating (+13.9%). Adam Treloar was the worst (-16.6%).
Sample size top-50 kicks on the non-dominant side.
#AFL #SuperCoach #AFLFantasy
https://twitter.com/FantasyFreako/status/1730362757973946835
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Richmond star Jayden Short says new coach Adem Yze has harnessed the Tigers' pain of missing finals to reinvigorate them.
Watch here: https://twitter.com/9NewsMelb/status/1761661588866535481
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:facepalm
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Wonder if the usual suspects will give votes to Shortsteps because he got the equal highest possessions....despite about 90% of those possessions ranging from utterly ineffective to downright detrimental and coming on top of a defensive effort that ranged from pathetic to non-existent... :shh
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Wonder if you’ll say the same thing about the 15+ players who were worse than him.
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Lmao - A) there were many poor players but there weren't nearly that many worse than him and b) have you been paying attention tonight ? I assume you have because you've replied to most threads where I've potted other players.... :shh
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Who are these players that performed better than him?
I know stats aren’t everything as you’ve pointed out. But the guy had team high in possessions, kicks, tackles and 2nd in marks. At least he was providing an option out there and getting involved in the game. I know these are very low bench marks, but we had 10 players with under 10 possessions and 13 with less than 3 tackles. Most of the team played like witches hats, not contributing offensively or defensively other than for the 3rd quarter.
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Still maintain he was tradeable 💯.
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Wonder if the usual suspects will give votes to Shortsteps because he got the equal highest possessions....despite about 90% of those possessions ranging from utterly ineffective to downright detrimental and coming on top of a defensive effort that ranged from pathetic to non-existent... :shh
Gotta agree that was so typical of most of Shorts games. They dont come how to say it nicely, more outside than Jayden.
If given the choice between playing him and Banks Brown Trezise im giving the three kids game time instead.
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He was captain yesterday and he was extremely poor
Couldn't stick a tackle and had some young kid brush him aside and dance around him in the first like he was 14 year old playing against men
Exceptionally disappointing
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Out of the defenders i always wanted flossy as captain.
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Even WP & Kane Cornes can see it....... :shh
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He seems to be escaping criticism again. We should call him teflon.
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He's having a crap year
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Seriously out of form . Needs a spell
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Playing like he's always played...."elite kick" lmao what a stuffing joke..same unaccountable softc*ck he's always been...always first to fold when the heat is on...not a leader's aersehole...trade...his "experience" won't be missed.... :shh
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Playing like he's always played...."elite kick" lmao what a stuffing joke..same unaccountable softc*ck he's always been...always first to fold when the heat is on...not a leader's aersehole...trade...his "experience" won't be missed.... :shh
You really are a happy little soul aren’t you?!!
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His been tradeable last 2 years easily replaced.
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Playing like he's always played...."elite kick" lmao what a stuffing joke..same unaccountable softc*ck he's always been...always first to fold when the heat is on...not a leader's aersehole...trade...his "experience" won't be missed.... :shh
You really are a happy little soul aren’t you?!!
I certainly will be if we trade him....while you'll have to find a new badge for your duffle coat.... :shh
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He's a good player and he isn't soft, having a crap year, but yes probably tradable.
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He's a good player and he isn't soft, having a crap year, but yes probably tradable.
He’s soft
Not Brandon Ellis or HRS poo the bed and sleep with the lights on soft, but still soft
Still remember his gutsy effort when he dislocated his shoulder
But if he needs to go head first into traffic , it ain’t happening
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He's a good player and he isn't soft, having a crap year, but yes probably tradable.
Yeah nah yeah , he's as soft as fairy floss , butter in the sun soft. He is a devondale
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He's a good player and he isn't soft, having a crap year, but yes probably tradable.
He’s soft
Not Brandon Ellis or HRS poo the bed and sleep with the lights on soft, but still soft
Still remember his gutsy effort when he dislocated his shoulder
But if he needs to go head first into traffic , it ain’t happening
He is right up there with Ellis.
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lmao ..in what universe is Short not soft.....what because he hurt his elbow and still punched the ball that one time in bandcamp? Like saying Rod Carter had a nose for goal....... :shh
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Brave Brando definitely performed more acts of courage and collected far less cheap kicks... :shh
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Brave Brando definitely performed more acts of courage and collected far less cheap kicks... :shh
Ah shatamapantsama close cousin to shorty crapamapantsama.
I did enjoy greg Ritchie and the old Mahatma cote gags.
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If Yze is fair dinkum , he must drop short this week, who cares that we have many players out injured and one suspended.. it's about giving the kids a run and setting standards ..
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A lot more time being put into him by opposition coaches. I wonder why? :shh
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If Yze is fair dinkum , he must drop short this week, who cares that we have many players out injured and one suspended.. it's about giving the kids a run and setting standards ..
He won't be dropped. Not with our forced changes.
He'll come good eventually.
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A lot more time being put into him by opposition coaches. I wonder why? :shh
lmao - yeah that's what it is..... :propeller
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Do you go to games?
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Yes and unlike most Short apologists, I actually watch them too..... :shh
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If Yze is fair dinkum , he must drop short this week, who cares that we have many players out injured and one suspended.. it's about giving the kids a run and setting standards ..
He won't be dropped. Not with our forced changes.
He'll come good eventually.
Sorry to bear the bad news Andy but what he is dishing up now is close to what he has always dished up.
I suppose a few extra possesions and a few more long bombs down the line to a contest will have everyone singing his praises again.
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If Yze is fair dinkum , he must drop short this week, who cares that we have many players out injured and one suspended.. it's about giving the kids a run and setting standards ..
He won't be dropped. Not with our forced changes.
He'll come good eventually.
Sorry to bear the bad news Andy but what he is dishing up now is close to what he has always dished up.
I suppose a few extra possesions and a few more long bombs down the line to a contest will have everyone singing his praises again.
That's his role dude.
Moving the ball, meterage. It's a game of territory.
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Just remove him from the leadership group. He’s been worse than Grimes so far.
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Can someone please tell Short to stop using his left foot because when he does he turns it over
Tradeable
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If Yze is fair dinkum , he must drop short this week, who cares that we have many players out injured and one suspended.. it's about giving the kids a run and setting standards ..
He won't be dropped. Not with our forced changes.
He'll come good eventually.
Sorry to bear the bad news Andy but what he is dishing up now is close to what he has always dished up.
I suppose a few extra possesions and a few more long bombs down the line to a contest will have everyone singing his praises again.
That's his role dude.
Moving the ball, meterage. It's a game of territory.
Cmon mate you don't really believe that do ya. He is supposed to be a great ball user but he is bloody ordinary.
He is supposed to make good decisions and hit up targets instead we get panic attack after panic attack.
His horrible shortsteps and panic rushed kicks are just horrible to watch. They have always been there.Get away with it in successful sides complete liability in struggling ones.
If all he has to do is bomb it down the line then give the job at the very least to someone who will accept body contact and can actually defend. They too can bomb it to a contest and just as easily watch it come back over their heads.
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He's been crap all year as I said earlier.
Am open to trading him.
I don't think he's a bad player or even one of our biggest ten problems.
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Trade or delist.. who cares. He really gives us not much at all.. classic down hill skier scared of his own shadow
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Play him forward .
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Out of form and had a shocker by foot but at least he was getting the footy this week. In his defence, he wasn't the only one (from both sides) that sack kicked it yesterday, and usually when he kicks long to a contest, there is Lynch or Balta on the end of it to at least halve the contest. I'd stick with him, when in form he is well worth his place in the side.
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Out of form and had a shocker by foot but at least he was getting the footy this week. In his defence, he wasn't the only one (from both sides) that sack kicked it yesterday, and usually when he kicks long to a contest, there is Lynch or Balta on the end of it to at least halve the contest. I'd stick with him, when in form he is well worth his place in the side.
No point in getting the footy just to gift wrap it and hand it straight back to the opposition!!
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Also at least with short, we know he can play consistent good footy. Maybe not the type of footy everyone wants to see. he isn’t going to crash packs and get the tough contested footy, but that isn’t his role, it never has been his role, and it isn’t the role that any half back flankers play.
There are a few others in the side that are in similar or worse form where we know that is pretty much the level that they play to. They should be phased out well before short, who is still in his prime, contracted long term and has trade value should the club/player wanna go down that path.
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Also at least with short, we know he can play consistent good footy. Maybe not the type of footy everyone wants to see. he isn’t going to crash packs and get the tough contested footy, but that isn’t his role, it never has been his role, and it isn’t the role that any half back flankers play.
There are a few others in the side that are in similar or worse form where we know that is pretty much the level that they play to. They should be phased out well before short, who is still in his prime, contracted long term and has trade value should the club/player wanna go down that path.
Agree, criticising outside players for not being Mark Ricciuto is just stoopid IMO. He was fairly criticised yesterday for not hitting targets, that's all good, was a poor performance. Calling for him to be dropped is counterproductive - especially when trade time comes around, the same people will ask for a first rounder. As a Jack Dyer medallist he's earned the right to find form in the 1s I reckon.
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JD medal lost all credibility after Hackson won it.... :shh
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Also at least with short, we know he can play consistent good footy. Maybe not the type of footy everyone wants to see. he isn’t going to crash packs and get the tough contested footy, but that isn’t his role, it never has been his role, and it isn’t the role that any half back flankers play.
There are a few others in the side that are in similar or worse form where we know that is pretty much the level that they play to. They should be phased out well before short, who is still in his prime, contracted long term and has trade value should the club/player wanna go down that path.
Agree, criticising outside players for not being Mark Ricciuto is just stoopid IMO. He was fairly criticised yesterday for not hitting targets, that's all good, was a poor performance. Calling for him to be dropped is counterproductive - especially when trade time comes around, the same people will ask for a first rounder. As a Jack Dyer medallist he's earned the right to find form in the 1s I reckon.
I don’t know about earned the right, however there a few that should be on the chopping block before him imo. Those that are in worse/similar form, aged 30+ and with little to no trade value.
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He's been crap all year as I said earlier.
Am open to trading him.
I don't think he's a bad player or even one of our biggest ten problems.
To who and for what?
He is a big problem for one he is keeping kids out of the team for no good reason. Our lack of experience into players has happened because we just refuse to punish poor games by the likes of Short.
Is he a forward? is he better than small fwd options we have ? I don't think so.
Is he a mid ? has shown sweet stuff all as a mid.
Is he a defender? Maybe a claytons defender the defender you have who doesn't know how to defend.
Is he an outside sheepdog. Yes thats it sheep dog !!!!! . Always on the outside expecting it to be gift wrapped to him and the expectation is he will use it real well and do the one job thats asked of him. Does it happen you guessed it nope. OH apolgies to the sheep dogs out there hard working in and at it and do their jobs well unlike old shortsteps.
People saw Smiths game the other week why would we not be looking to give him a few games and see what he can offer at the level.
This is what happens when you keep picking blokes who are favorites even when stinking it up. deserving younger players who deserve a go just keep on getting over looked. How familiar does that sound but its not a problem.
We have seen Trezise and Brown we have Rioli do we want to have another look at Ralphsmith before we delist him.why the hell are we playing such a poor performer who quite frankly is an embarrasmentto the club and supporters. Others id like to see play hb is Pickett and id like em to have a look at Coulthard there at some stage. What is there to lose are we that deluded that we think we are winning something this year.
How the hell people can defend this bloke who so clearly plays scared every week well its time to wake up.
I still laugh at his metres gained stats. Yep when your given the ball on a platter with no one around you should be able to use the ball well. But old shorty always hears footsteps and far too often its throw it on the boot in panic mode kick it 5o metres straight to a contest when you have open players only to see it come straight back.
This has happened his whole career. FMD Give me Brandon Bloody Ellis any day. ::)
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im with andy on this one.
I do give him some leeway with his 2020 season though. A long time ago, but i dont think he has been all that bad. I thought if he didnt turn it over sunday then it wasnt not a bad game from him.
give me short over dow, pickett, mcintosh, graham combined.
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I'd be wanting a late first or early second at least for him.
As for his best position, well I wouldn't mind trying him HFF. His kicking for goal is excellent and we are lacking up forward.
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why wouldnt we try that. TBH if anyone saw kosi and pickett run around the other day it was embarrassing. Pickett was strolling past blokes. He doesnt gaf about the jumper anymore.
Try shorty in a pocket.
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Always said he's a way better player forward of the ball....still hope we do the smart thing and trade the stat padding soft c*ck though... :shh
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I'd be wanting a late first or early second at least for him.
As for his best position, well I wouldn't mind trying him HFF. His kicking for goal is excellent and we are lacking up forward.
first or FO.
def would get us a first IMO. Look at hopper.
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There is no chance of that for Short, so you can want all you like.
As the great man Joey Knish once said
“And I need a bl0wjob from Christy Turlington”
Majority of posters here keep saying how useless he is, and then want a first or early second or FO
Makes no sense
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2nd rounder would be it for him. Last 1st at absolute best.
I think he's worth something to somebody out there as he does have some good attributes but yeah, we can't be bagging the pee out of him then demanding a 1st rounder
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There is no chance of that for Short, so you can want all you like.
As the great man Joey Knish once said
“And I need a bl0wjob from Christy Turlington”
Majority of posters here keep saying how useless he is, and then want a first or early second or FO
Makes no sense
Because he's a front runner....he'll be of more value to a contender that's dominating where everyone else is doing the hard work and winning their positions.... :shh
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Short with a calf injury according to Jon Ralph.
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Meh, who cares. He’s had a bad year, add him to the list
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Great news seeming Yze never had the the balls to drop him
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#blessingindisguise :shh
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#blessingindisgiuse :shh
I trust you'll send a thank you through to your mate Lukey :snidegrin
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Winning the award for biggest drop in form this season across the whole comp
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Lmao - seems certain mods can dish it out but can't take it...pathetic... ::) :shh
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Lmao - seems certain mods can dish it out but can't take it...pathetic... ::) :shh
What was pathetic was your disgusting crass post that I removed.
Make no apologies for it.
It was totally unacceptable and it would have been removed no matter who it was directed at.
TBBH It was crass enough to warrant a strike but because it was directed at me rather than any other poster I just removed it.
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Defender sidelined for weeks as Tigers' injury woes worsen
By Josh Gabelich
afl.com.au
18 April 2024
RICHMOND half-back Jayden Short will miss the Anzac Day Eve blockbuster against Melbourne after straining his calf in Sunday's loss to West Coast in Perth.
The 28-year-old was substituted out after suffering the injury in the second quarter and is now expected to miss up to three weeks.
Short has been troubled by calf injuries in the past and will now miss games against the Demons and Fremantle, with the round nine match against the Western Bulldogs the target for his return.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1110603/defender-jayden-short-sidelined-for-weeks-as-richmond-tigers-injury-woes-worsen
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Don't know what was said here but it is a blessing in disguise.
But it will only be a blessing if we back in a kid to do his role. I am hoping when he does come back he is actually asked to perform in the vfl for a few weeks and actually work on his deficiencies.
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Actually detrimental to the younger players....got in Banks' road all day chasing cheap kicks...."elite kick" my arse - overrated front running stat padding clown....no place in a rebuilding side ...trade.... :thumbsdown
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I would be interested in a trade of Short.
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How many times did he slip over??
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He will be the first I'll trade living on his past.
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He's a fraud , delist
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He's a fraud , delist
Guaranteed, come trade week, you'll want a first rounder.
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He will be the first I'll trade living on his past.
Disagree mate he is now exactly what he has been in the past. In the past we won and many were blinded by this.
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He will be the first I'll trade living on his past.
Disagree mate he is now exactly what he has been in the past. In the past we won and many were blinded by this.
not sure i agree with this. He has become average and for that i agree, but i thought he was a good player when we were winning flags.
His b&f year was sensational IMO through diversity after losing his dad and moving away from his family
Sorry i dont mind some of your posts but in this one, you cant say he has been poor his whole career?
Not for me, but each to their own.
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He will be the first I'll trade living on his past.
Disagree mate he is now exactly what he has been in the past. In the past we won and many were blinded by this.
not sure i agree with this. He has become average and for that i agree, but i thought he was a good player when we were winning flags.
His b&f year was sensational IMO through diversity after losing his dad and moving away from his family
Sorry i dont mind some of your posts but in this one, you cant say he has been poor his whole career?
Not for me, but each to their own.
Yeah nah ol' claw's actually right on this one I'm afraid FJ...most overrated player on the list and arguably in our club's history.....by coaches & supporters alike....been pointing this out for years much to the annoyance of his many admirers, fanboys and apologists and what everyone is only just seeing now is what I've always seen.... :shh
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X2
The deficiencies on display have always been there, just being highly exposed now because we're such a pitiful side.
Do understand his role in our good sides and he did play some good footy, no doubt. But highly overrated beyond belief
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Yep...looks good in good sides (and still think he's better forward of the ball)....that's why a club in their "window" would probably give us something decent for him........ :shh
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Yep...looks good in good sides (and still think he's better forward of the ball)....that's why a club in their "window" would probably give us something decent for him........ :shh
We have had our differences on things and thats great. On this bloke we agree and i reckon you would be surprised on how much we agree on.
Question if you were at a club bringing in oppo players what would you be prepared to give up for him.
Personally he is not the type i would be wanting to bring into my club and would never consider him.
He just panics and does not use the ball well enough for such an outside player. Yeah he may kick it 50 or 60 metres but it is rarely to advantage but boy do the ferals jump on this.
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Was a typical 28 soft disposal game with so little impact on the game.
Time to let Brown or Smith or one of the kids when they come in to pad their stats up and let them take the kick ins.
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I've defended this bloke over time but after Sunday I cannot excuse the inexcusable
I posted on another thread
His half hearted effort in the 3rd which cost us a goal when we had the momentum was unforgivable
I'd drop him this week without hesitation
He's the VC, time to make a statement and say efforts like that won't be tolerated especially from our "leaders"
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I've defended this bloke over time but after Sunday I cannot excuse the inexcusable
I posted on another thread
His half hearted effort in the 3rd which cost us a goal when we had the momentum was unforgivable
I'd drop him this week without hesitation
He's the VC, time to make a statement and say efforts like that won't be tolerated especially from our "leaders"
Took your time but at least you finally worked it out.
Shouldn't play again
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I've defended this bloke over time but after Sunday I cannot excuse the inexcusable
I posted on another thread
His half hearted effort in the 3rd which cost us a goal when we had the momentum was unforgivable
I'd drop him this week without hesitation
He's the VC, time to make a statement and say efforts like that won't be tolerated especially from our "leaders"
Put him on the table for me trade week.
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I've defended this bloke over time but after Sunday I cannot excuse the inexcusable
I posted on another thread
His half hearted effort in the 3rd which cost us a goal when we had the momentum was unforgivable
I'd drop him this week without hesitation
He's the VC, time to make a statement and say efforts like that won't be tolerated especially from our "leaders"
Put him on the table for me trade week.
Won't get much, as i asked before would you trade for him if in charge of another club. I most certainly would not even if he came for free.
Everytime he goes under the radar and keeps his spot means quite literally that a kid does not get much needed experience at the level in the role
Given where we are at he is literally taking games off kids imo..
As a defender where is he in the pecking order. There are probably ten players we could play across hb including shortsteps. You work it out,
Me i think we should be going with Miller, Balta, and Gibcus as our future tall set up down back. The mediums and smalls should be Brown,Trezise, Smith with Vlastuin and Broad all before Short that is clearly the way we should be going.
How simple would it be to roll Rioli to a wing and for that matter even Nathan Broad as a defensive wing fixing the wing problems in one easy swoop allowing some of our most promising kids to play hb in their natural roles.
Yes he is taking games off kids and if we have better long term defensive options needing games, then you have to ask where else do we play Shortsteps.
So tell me what other role can he play and who is he better than at it??
Do the exercise and it become very clear that he is surplus to needs.
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The contending clubs would fall over themselves to get him if we put him on the table....he's an icing on the cake player whose flaws a really good side can cover and looks pretty when you're flying............ :shh
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For the love of god either move him forward or better yet drop him and then trade him...annoys me more than any RFC player ever has and that's saying something...even George at his comical worst at least stuffing tried.... :thumbsdown
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Guys like Short and Bolton aren’t the likes to drive a hard working culture forward imo. Are the younger guys really meant to look up these 2 ?
Short squibbing that mark just said it all.
Bolton will be wasted with us and tbh I’m sick of seeing his smug face like he’s so hard done by every game.
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Short should never play for us again, ever
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Great thinking, who should take his place, maybe Smith , I wonder if he will go as well as most of the other kids went this week.
, ps: watch the VFL
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Lowest pressure rating on the ground last night....#leadership :clapping
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That I agree with, if the kids are to have chance they need leadership both verbally and by example
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His disposal is killing us tonight
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His disposal is killing us tonight
That and the umpires
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Been poor.
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His disposal is killing us tonight
That and the umpires
Umpires are a given though
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His disposal is killing us tonight
That and the umpires
Umpires are a given though
As is Short’s disposal
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At least Cumbo managed to hit a target at least twice...did any of this clown's kicks actually go to his own players...one stuffs up with with players virtually on top of him the the other - a so called "leader" - under next to no pressure... :shh
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Bloody awful and one of the softest players I've ever seen. Yes softer than Brandon Ellis. :help
I think I counted at least 10 times he kicked it straight to a bombers player. :banghead
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Trade for whatever the best offer is
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Has had an horrific year thus far. Smith to replace him next week should happen.
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He absolutely sucks.
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Trade for a half eaten pie, won’t even get us sauce to go with it!
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If Dimma is so keen on a half back flanker, maybe he can lure short instead of Rioli.
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I know a lot of you aren't huge fans of short steps, but I think he has been a solid contributor to the tiges until recent.
I can't believe his drop off in kicking and ability to read the play.
I know confidence is huge in sport, so maybe the team is just totally zapped. Or maybe it really is time for him to be moved on.
Otherwise a position change may assist. Wing/hff maybe?? Better him kicking into the fwd line, than outta defence straight back to opposition??!!
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I know a lot of you aren't huge fans of short steps, but I think he has been a solid contributor to the tiges until recent.
I can't believe his drop off in kicking and ability to read the play.
I know confidence is huge in sport, so maybe the team is just totally zapped. Or maybe it really is time for him to be moved on.
Otherwise a position change may assist. Wing/hff maybe?? Better him kicking into the fwd line, than outta defence straight back to opposition??!!
I have been a big fan until a month or so ago
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I know a lot of you aren't huge fans of short steps, but I think he has been a solid contributor to the tiges until recent.
I can't believe his drop off in kicking and ability to read the play.
I know confidence is huge in sport, so maybe the team is just totally zapped. Or maybe it really is time for him to be moved on.
Otherwise a position change may assist. Wing/hff maybe?? Better him kicking into the fwd line, than outta defence straight back to opposition??!!
I have been a big fan until a month or so ago
Same lost me in the last month
Lost count of how ,any goals he's gifted the opposition with his pinpoint passes to them
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I know a lot of you aren't huge fans of short steps, but I think he has been a solid contributor to the tiges until recent.
I can't believe his drop off in kicking and ability to read the play.
I know confidence is huge in sport, so maybe the team is just totally zapped. Or maybe it really is time for him to be moved on.
Otherwise a position change may assist. Wing/hff maybe?? Better him kicking into the fwd line, than outta defence straight back to opposition??!!
I have been a big fan until a month or so ago
Same lost me in the last month
Lost count of how ,any goals he's gifted the opposition with his pinpoint passes to them
Against the bummers he and dow were next level in giving up the ball and gifting goals. Hard to watch the change of guard.
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So stuffing sick of this prick...week in week out - every second oppo goal goes through him and it's been that way since day one.....negative influence on ground almost an anti-leader....side in our position can't afford to carry this downhill skiing softc*ck infecting the kids with bad habits....trade to GC instead of Riloi ... no doubt Halfstep still loves him.... :shh
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Broad is just as bad if not worse
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Broad was at least good once and never an overrated front running stat padding squib... :shh
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So stuffing sick of this prick...week in week out - every second oppo goal goes through him and it's been that way since day one.....negative influence on ground almost an anti-leader....side in our position can't afford to carry this downhill skiing softc*ck infecting the kids with bad habits....trade to GC instead of Riloi ... no doubt Halfstep still loves him.... :shh
OMG we agree on something
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Another woeful performance today
I get that people want him dropped, I'd drop in a heartbeat
But to maintain any form of currency he needs to be playing AFL
Oh and strip him of the Vice captaincy... zero on field leadership
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No way WP get games into Smith and Trezise just drop him and at least set a standard let em all know that what he is bringing is not good enough.
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No way WP get games into Smith and Trezise just drop him and at least set a standard let em all know that what he is bringing is not good enough.
Fine do that and then one of 2 things will happen if we want to trade him
1/ no one will take him and
2/ if someone does trade for him we will get a latec3rd rounder
And you and alot of others on here will complain that we only got a late 3rd rounder instead of a 2nd rounder
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If Halfstep still rates him as highly as he did when he coached us then GC should give us Anderson, Lukosious & 2 firsts... :shh
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No way WP get games into Smith and Trezise just drop him and at least set a standard let em all know that what he is bringing is not good enough.
Fine do that and then one of 2 things will happen if we want to trade him
1/ no one will take him and
2/ if someone does trade for him we will get a latec3rd rounder
And you and alot of others on here will complain that we only got a late 3rd rounder instead of a 2nd rounder
Who really cares WP, do you think all other clubs rate Short . I doubt very much any other club would take him. I'm certain of it. All clubs do their homework, they all know Short is worth nothing , because he is useless
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Who really cares WP, do you think all other clubs rate Short . I doubt very much any other club would take him. I'm certain of it. All clubs do their homework, they all know Short is worth nothing , because he is useless
Like it or not, believe it or not other Clubs rate Short
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Plenty of clubs rate short.
He's not a bad player. Just having a stinker season like half the club.
Premiership HBF and B&F. He'll get interest.
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Plenty of clubs rate short.
He's not a bad player. Just having a stinker season like half the club.
Premiership HBF and B&F. He'll get interest.
Yes yes - that's want we want them to think... :shh
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Plenty of clubs rate short.
He's not a bad player. Just having a stinker season like half the club.
Premiership HBF and B&F. He'll get interest.
Yes yes - that's want we want them to think... :shh
And that's why he needs to keep being selected despite the majority on this site (including me) saying he should be dropped
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No way WP get games into Smith and Trezise just drop him and at least set a standard let em all know that what he is bringing is not good enough.
Fine do that and then one of 2 things will happen if we want to trade him
1/ no one will take him and
2/ if someone does trade for him we will get a latec3rd rounder
And you and alot of others on here will complain that we only got a late 3rd rounder instead of a 2nd rounder
Nope if you read my posts you would know i dont think he is worth two bob. I dont expect to get much if we do trade.
Would take a fourth just to get rid of him and three year contract.
Simple rule of thumb what would you want to pay for him if he was on the market.
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With Clawski on this one. I'd let him go for a late pick if it came to it. We could get a 2nd rounder off some mug though surely
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We could get a 2nd rounder off some mug though surely
I've got no doubt we could
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Bumblers got pick 8 from The Scum for Saad....... :shh
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Who really cares WP, do you think all other clubs rate Short . I doubt very much any other club would take him. I'm certain of it. All clubs do their homework, they all know Short is worth nothing , because he is useless
Like it or not, believe it or not other Clubs rate Short
We'll see
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We gave up pick 32 for Hamspud.... :shh
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We gave up pick 32 for Hamspud.... :shh
Jackstars mate. Knew how to rate a footballer that guy... :shh
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We gave up pick 32 for Hamspud.... :shh
Jackstars mate. Knew how to rate a footballer that guy... :shh
To be fair he did train well.... :shh
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Only those who bothered to watch training knew just how well he trained... :shh :shh
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So much hyperbole. There are much much worse players running around on multi year contracts at other clubs.
Jayden short appears to be one of those players (and there are plenty of these around) that thrive on an elite team where his deficiencies can be hidden or they just don’t matter because the team he is on is so good.
If we got less than a second rounder for him I’d be disappointed. 28 years old so is in his prime, contracted for 3 more years and I don’t think it’s on any crazy coin either.
All of this is redundant though unless both the club and short want to explore a trade and I haven’t heard a single word on this from anyone involved to this point.
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But a good ole fashion bidding war could change everything!
Just imagine the Filth & the Scum both trying to land the prized signature of one Mr J. Short! They both begin with fourth rounders with not much enthusiasm, but as the urge to "WIN" at everything kicks in, soon we are getting second rounders with steak knives thrown in! Who knows where this could end up? Ya sure wouldn't want to lose to that other mob? Right? :snidegrin
Only the greatest ever club could win the trade of the Century! (That should do it! :snidegrin)
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We should delete the last 50 pages and pretend he’s the greatest player of all times
Pump the value up
Telling the truth can’t help :lol :lol :lol
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Do the same with Graham's thread. Erase everything after 2020
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Just leave all of Machine's posts up but edit them so they're attributed to different posters and it looks like a consensus.... :shh
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:shh :shh
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Do the same with Graham's thread. Erase everything after 2017
Efa
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See poos his pants survives again.
Yep survives while a couple of kids continue to rot in the two's.
What the hell are Yze and the MC thinking. Obviously not clearly and with blinkers on.
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See poos his pants survives again.
Yep survives while a couple of kids continue to rot in the two's.
What the hell are Yze and the MC thinking. Obviously not clearly and with blinkers on.
I have said a number of times he should be dropped.
However, you and others want him traded out. But there will be screaming if we don't get something decent
Now whether you agree or not other Clubs rate him.
Dropping him now will do nothing for his trade value apart from decrease it.
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Criminal his in the leadership group.
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No, he's clearly a leader. He proved when he went and abused Cumberland at 3qt not long ago.
If only someone went and shoved their finger in Shorts chest every time he poo himself or turned the ball over
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See poos his pants survives again.
Yep survives while a couple of kids continue to rot in the two's.
What the hell are Yze and the MC thinking. Obviously not clearly and with blinkers on.
I have said a number of times he should be dropped.
However, you and others want him traded out. But there will be screaming if we don't get something decent
Now whether you agree or not other Clubs rate him.
Dropping him now will do nothing for his trade value apart from decrease it.
Who gives a rats arse about trading him. We have had this discussion he is not worth two bob unless its deluded tiger supporters thinking otherwise.
Please do not try to surmise what i think. I don't want a thing for this cancerous type of player i just want him gone.
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See poos his pants survives again.
Yep survives while a couple of kids continue to rot in the two's.
What the hell are Yze and the MC thinking. Obviously not clearly and with blinkers on.
I have said a number of times he should be dropped.
However, you and others want him traded out. But there will be screaming if we don't get something decent
Now whether you agree or not other Clubs rate him.
Dropping him now will do nothing for his trade value apart from decrease it.
Who gives a rats arse about trading him. We have had this discussion he is not worth two bob unless its deluded tiger supporters thinking otherwise.
Please do not try to surmise what i think. I don't want a thing for this cancerous type of player i just want him gone.
Don’t want a pick for him
Would prefer him gone
Yeah , you make perfect sense
:stupid :stupid :stupid
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See poos his pants survives again.
Yep survives while a couple of kids continue to rot in the two's.
What the hell are Yze and the MC thinking. Obviously not clearly and with blinkers on.
I have said a number of times he should be dropped.
However, you and others want him traded out. But there will be screaming if we don't get something decent
Now whether you agree or not other Clubs rate him.
Dropping him now will do nothing for his trade value apart from decrease it.
Who gives a rats arse about trading him. We have had this discussion he is not worth two bob unless its deluded tiger supporters thinking otherwise.
Please do not try to surmise what i think. I don't want a thing for this cancerous type of player i just want him gone.
Don’t want a pick for him
Would prefer him gone
Yeah , you make perfect sense
:stupid :stupid :stupid
I think i mentioned deluded tiger supporters . Yes yes i did. ::)
Cmon tell us all what you think he is worth to another club.
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Deluded how?
Because I’d prefer a pick than nothing
Yeah , no worries Einstein
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Deluded how?
Because I’d prefer a pick than nothing
Yeah , no worries Einstein
Your deluded because you actually think clubs would give up something decent for him. He is worth jack poo.
Get rid of the duffel coat with all the badges and take the rose coloureds off.
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I stand by the opinion that we could get a second round pick for him.
Looking at some of the other trades in recent years, I don’t see how that is such an outlandish claim even if it meant sending a 3rd of 4th round pick the other way.
Doesn’t seem like the club or player have any intention to move on though.
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I stand by the opinion that we could get a second round pick for him.
Looking at some of the other trades in recent years, I don’t see how that is such an outlandish claim even if it meant sending a 3rd of 4th round pick the other way.
Doesn’t seem like the club or player have any intention to move on though.
Correct
Even a third rounder the next year
He’s worth something
Only imbeciles with blinkers on can’t see it
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Snip! Leave out the personal insults ppl!
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I stand by the opinion that we could get a second round pick for him.
Looking at some of the other trades in recent years, I don’t see how that is such an outlandish claim even if it meant sending a 3rd of 4th round pick the other way.
Doesn’t seem like the club or player have any intention to move on though.
Correct
Even a third rounder the next year
He’s worth something
Only imbeciles with blinkers on can’t see it
Maybe even a second rounder for next year. Sheesh even Ben Brown got that deal when he left the Roos
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Clubs will pay up for short.
Premiership player.
B&F.
Contracted.
He'll probably stay though...
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Clubs will pay up for short.
Premiership player.
B&F.
Contracted.
He'll probably stay though...
Exactly.
Clubs are funny beast in that they rate players fans necessarily don't. Case in point Short.
I reckon he is staying but would have no issue after the season he has had if they traded him
If he does stay then he needs to be stripped of the VC and booted from the leadership group
*** and by the way I can confirm we do have a leadership group. Source was multiple players at the player sponsor dinner in May
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Clubs will pay up for short.
Premiership player.
B&F.
Contracted.
He'll probably stay though...
Exactly.
Clubs are funny beast in that they rate players fans necessarily don't. Case in point Short.
I reckon he is staying but would have no issue after the season he has had if they traded him
If he does stay then he needs to be stripped of the VC and booted from the leadership group
*** and by the way I can confirm we do have a leadership group. Source was multiple players at the player sponsor dinner in May
All clubs also think they can get more out of a player than another team.
Looks at all the rejects they took off us and we've done the same also.
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Exactly
Of course he would have value
Only an imbecile would think otherwise
Wins a best and fairest in a premiership year
Obv Dimma rates him as a starting point
But no .. amateur know all wannabe list managers know best
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There's talk of the Aints getting a top 10 compo pick for Josh stuffing Battle...'nuff said... :shh
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It’s crazy although I will say KP players have always been more sought after and higher valued.
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WP.. just interested at these sponsors dinners are you able to get a feel of the mood within the club and or playing group after such an awful start to the season?
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WP.. just interested at these sponsors dinners are you able to get a feel of the mood within the club and or playing group after such an awful start to the season?
Yes, my observation is the group is still very tight. But clearly either disappointed, frustrated about how the season was going especially with all the injuries. I will be honest I don't really talk to them much about footy we talk more about life outside footy.
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The mood of the group is solid and they are still engaged to perform. They love Adem and trust his direction although not winning hurts.
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Quit with the baiting :banghead
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Nobody baited anyone, WP. Unless the laughing emoji is now considered baiting
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Nobody baited anyone, WP. Unless the laughing emoji is now considered baiting
Really?
And your comment after your originally emoji? That was what exactly?
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A harmless comment saying I posted the wrong emoji?
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A harmless comment saying I posted the wrong emoji?
You and others have form recbaitng a poster when they comment. You waited until they posted to post your 1st emoji. Why didnt you post the same after my comment? They asked you what was funny and then you replied with your wrong emoji comment.
From where I was sitting based on recent history your posts were another attempt at baiting. If as you are claiming I ma wrong then I apologise. But as I said yours and others recent posting clearly suggest otherwise
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Haven't really had much interaction with said poster for a long time. Wasn't trying to bait him/her. I just think unless actual rules are broken or clear insults come out as a result of disagreements then posts should stay up. Not knocking you, I'm sure it's hard trying to decipher what's innocent and what's not
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Lol at the inability to actually look at what this bloke is offering.
Hardwick is going after Dan Rioli not Shortsteps. A player who is contracted to 2027 why is that. Maybe he just doesnt want a bar of the softy.
People always looking at the past which was not great with this stat padding ball wasting faint heart.. instead of looking at what he is actually giving.
Who in their right minds would even contemplate going after well a stat padding ball wasting faint heart.
Why on earth people would think anyone would offer a second round pick for this dud is Hilarious.
What a third rounder maybe or even a fourth basically sweet stuff all in reality which is exactly what he is worth.
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Shorty would look good in a Saints jumper. Their 2nd rounder should do it.
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What did people think of squib alots game this week.
A typical meh peformance for me.
Who ever signed him and Ryan up on long contracts need shooting.
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Yze has to send a message to the whole playing group about AFL standards before the end of the year and he can start by dropping Short. Short has been horribly out of touch all year yet he's kept his place in the side which must be only due to our long list of injuries. You can't have senior players who constantly fumble, lose their feet and go to ground so easily in the contest. He's always been an outside player, but his ball use and effective metres gained was what he used to bring to the team. Now the cons so far out-way any arguable pros that he has to be dropped. I think from WP's running tally today Short directly gifted Norf 3-4 goals.
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Yep has been nothing short of disgraceful this season. Especially given his leadership role. Was able to hide him in our good teams
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Must play rest of the year
Dropping him now would be ludicrous
Then attempt to trade him
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The Anti-Dusty/Reverse Richo - makes me not want to watch us play....hate him more than most oppo players....at this point he is one...complete liability ...hilarious to see even his staunchest apologists finally seeing what a select few of us always have.... :shh
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I think he’s been awful this year ( all year)
But can’t quite get my head around how do you hide a player when he wins a best and fairest
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No surprise he won a b&f in the year everyone was social distancing and afraid of body contact.... :shh
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poos himself and goes to ground under pressure every contest. stuff him off please
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I think he’s been awful this year ( all year)
But can’t quite get my head around how do you hide a player when he wins a best and fairest
When you dislike a player you’ll find it very hard to give them any credit and instead cling to their faults/deficiencies. It’s human nature.
Short was a good player in an all time great side and his ability to bomb the ball long worked with our game plan of moving the ball forward at all costs. Our fwds would rarely get out marked and atleast bring the ball to ground and from then our smalls and mids were all over it.
Right now we suck and short bombing it long to an absolutely non existent forward line is a full proof way to turn the ball over.
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Yeah nah he was always just massively overratted and shytehouse.....what you're seeing now was always there plain as day to anyone paying attention..... :shh
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No1s saying he is a superstar but he was a good and at times very good half back flanker that thrived in our system.
Acting like he was crap given all the players we tried and failed to play at half back and ended up delisted or traded and then delisted. He is an AFL quality player no matter how much people want to pretend otherwise.
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I meant his defensive deficiencies were hidden in our good teams.
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He was great in 2020. Reality is that he’s just been a massive disappointment since. We need to move on.
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The drop off hasn’t been just short many others have followed in his footsteps
Grimes
Graham
Pickett etc
Some have been from injuries others from age others again feasting too much on success and others just in a drop in form
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Must play rest of the year
Dropping him now would be ludicrous
Then attempt to trade him
He is not going anywhere unless he chooses to go himself. They are not thinking about trading him. Unfortunately.
The bloke is 29 and contracted until the end of 2027 who in their right mind will give him a three year contract on what id say is pretty good coin, at his age and with his form.
He aint stupid he is there for the next three years even if it means playing reserves.
In fact maybe the only way to get him out the door is tell him he is no longer required and he will spend the rest of his career in the magoos.
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Agree Crawski. It’s the Brandon Ellis clause while he was at Goldie
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If we trade Rioli Short may get his old role back full time. Agree with what everyone has said. We won't trade him and his currency is all time low. I must admit though the length of his contract was surprising at the time and proven to be a bit too long in the end.
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Should be Capuano'd at this point....doesn't add anything in terms of experience or leadership....can't really teach kids how to coast in a good side when you're rebuilding and no longer a good side.... :shh
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Disrespectful comments everywhere towards a member of our leadership group who is good at sticking his finger in kids chests and delivering sprays.
Sickened by this.
Stand by Shorty
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Drop him . Had a stinker of a year .
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Picked again they are as blind as bats or have no effing idea or both.
We are heading into a world of pain if this is the quality of people we have running the club.
Bottom out no where near it on field and off field.
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The mood of the group is solid and they are still engaged to perform. They love Adem and trust his direction although not winning hurts.
Seems this was either false or short lived.
Since then
1- terrible on the field
2- Dusty gone
3- Shai wants to be gone
Solid and engaged playing group my arse
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The mood of the group is solid and they are still engaged to perform. They love Adem and trust his direction although not winning hurts.
Seems this was either false or short lived.
Since then
1- terrible on the field
2- Dusty gone
3- Shai wants to be gone
Solid and engaged playing group my arse
Don't think there's much to read into this.
1 - decimated by injuries and the season was gone months ago. Probably hard for the players to stay engaged. Kids tired and sore you'd think. Older players no longer have the fire. It is what it is.
2 - Dusty was cooked. Period.
3 - Shai wants to go home for family reasons but it sounds like he's content to stay if a good deal can't be done. Also not reading into that too much. I'd be more concerned if players were looking for new Melb based clubs etc, such as Balta.
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Delist him . Had a stinker of a career .
e.f.a :shh
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The Shorts (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1faf6.svg)
Congratulations to Jayden and Maddy!
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https://x.com/Richmond_FC/status/1876197896804274416
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Jayden Short needs to at least double his tackles, and score involvements to be a good investment, compared to the elite DK's in SC (Whitfield, Zorko)
https://x.com/SupercoachHQ/status/1885589960197108204