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Title: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on December 19, 2023, 07:14:52 PM
Any rumours about us trying to poach Cadman can be put to bed.

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GWS has received a huge boost with No.1 draft pick Aaron Cadman signing a two-year contract extension.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1072698/giant-boost-no1-pick-aaron-cadman-recommits-until-end-of-2026
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on December 22, 2023, 12:54:09 AM
According to the BF Tigercast:

* In the market for a marquee player (Ben King is one of four names).

* Cadman was "a plan B".

* Ben King hasn't resigned. If he doesn't sign by June/July then he's gone (out of the Suns). Caveat is Hardwick was the bloke who was selling Richmond to him but is now the one who is going to try to convince him to stay at the Suns.

* Still in the market for a winger. A priority. 

* We do a three-year cycle. After getting one target, we do one year of nothing, one year of building capital, then a year of going hunting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFPKjl5w-wo
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Simonator on December 22, 2023, 06:13:14 AM
I’m not that impressed by king at all.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on December 22, 2023, 07:22:22 AM
Very convenient that it's said Cadman was only plan B ... after he re-signed  :rollin

Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Damo on December 22, 2023, 09:37:54 AM
I’m not that impressed by king at all.
I’m the opposite
Reckon he has superstar potential
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Knighter on December 22, 2023, 11:37:15 AM
Very convenient that it's said Cadman was only plan B ... after he re-signed  :rollin

Fair dinkum if anyone believes that flog on Bigfruity they need their head read.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on December 22, 2023, 06:34:41 PM
TIger 71 knew about Hopper before anyone else but that was the first "scoop" that the flog got right in a decade..... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Chuck17 on December 22, 2023, 09:44:29 PM
TIger 71 knew about Hopper before anyone else but that was the first "scoop" that the flog got right in a decade..... :shh

Even a broken clock is right twice a day
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on December 22, 2023, 10:08:30 PM
TIger 71 knew about Hopper before anyone else but that was the first "scoop" that the flog got right in a decade..... :shh

Even a broken clock is right twice a day

*decade  :shh

(literally - his last correct mail before that was that we we're going to take Vlastuin with our first pick in the 2012 draft... :shh :shh)


Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on February 12, 2024, 11:26:29 PM
Ben King is poised to re-sign with Gold Coast as the Suns set themselves for a charge towards a maiden finals berth.

While there is no agreement on finances yet, King will commit to a two-year deal that will carry him through to free agency eligibility at the end of 2026.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/02/11/king-set-to-sign-new-suns-deal-and-lock-away-future-until-free-agency/

Looks like another name to cross off.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on February 13, 2024, 10:19:05 AM
Ben King is poised to re-sign with Gold Coast as the Suns set themselves for a charge towards a maiden finals berth.

While there is no agreement on finances yet, King will commit to a two-year deal that will carry him through to free agency eligibility at the end of 2026.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/02/11/king-set-to-sign-new-suns-deal-and-lock-away-future-until-free-agency/

Looks like another name to cross off.

Was always going to re-sign, even more so after they appointed Dimma
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Simonator on February 13, 2024, 10:45:18 AM
Not phased if we never get him, don't rate him personally. Would love to try and target our own KPF in the draft either via trade for picks or whatever. We need our own replacement for Jack like he was for Richo
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Damo on February 13, 2024, 01:47:40 PM
Not phased if we never get him, don't rate him personally.

I reckon he could be absolutely anything. Such a huge talent.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger_In_Sicily on February 13, 2024, 04:49:53 PM
Not phased if we never get him, don't rate him personally.

I reckon he could be absolutely anything. Such a huge talent.
Or absolutely nothing !!!
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: MintOnLamb on February 13, 2024, 05:06:39 PM
I wouldn’t be giving anything up for King, too inconsistent, injury prone and I think, mentally not up to it
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Gracie on February 14, 2024, 09:17:38 AM
I wouldn’t be giving anything up for King, too inconsistent, injury prone and I think, mentally not up to it

So he will come cheap at the end of his new contract??
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: MintOnLamb on February 14, 2024, 12:52:07 PM
I wouldn’t be giving anything up for King, too inconsistent, injury prone and I think, mentally not up to it

So he will come cheap at the end of his new contract??

😂😂
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on March 13, 2024, 08:41:24 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIhJ_3Lb0AAUVam?format=jpg&name=900x900)
https://twitter.com/CalTwomey/status/1767748733763256636


Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Simonator on March 13, 2024, 08:42:46 PM
Would be a solid get, we need a young talented KPF for sure.

He would have to get big bucks to come to richmond
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on March 13, 2024, 08:45:20 PM
Twomey also reckons it will take a 10-11 year deal to get JUH to leave the Bulldogs.

Go to 21 min mark: https://www.afl.com.au/video/1085646/gettable-big-cash-race-for-jamarra-clubs-start-swan-chase-free-agents-wait
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on March 13, 2024, 09:01:33 PM
Twomey also reckons it will take a 10-11 year deal to get JUH to leave the Bulldogs.

Go to 21 min mark: https://www.afl.com.au/video/1085646/gettable-big-cash-race-for-jamarra-clubs-start-swan-chase-free-agents-wait

LOL

Can't see him leaving TBBH
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on March 13, 2024, 09:08:26 PM
10 years lmao no thanks.

Go the draft. We should have good picks soon.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: lamington on March 13, 2024, 09:52:44 PM
If he comes to us he can hang out with Rioli and they can bond over life after Mia fevola
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on March 13, 2024, 10:05:13 PM
If he comes to us he can hang out with Rioli and they can bond over life after Mia fevola

 :thatsgold
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on March 14, 2024, 05:49:37 PM
If we traded players out to stay in the draft I'd do it....highly unlikely to get a ten year kpf of his potential in the next couple of drafts before Tassie dilutes the talent pool...might also draw out a decent fa like McCluggage or Zuhaar if they see him coming over....a lot of salary cap space to be freed up at the end of this year and the next with an expected increase on the cap on top of that as well....all moot because I'd imagine he wants to go to a contender which we likely won't be for a few years...of course if we got him & say McCluggage added to Taranto, Bolton, Balta, some gun kids  and that would change...but you've got to do it first....just need to find a way to still have high picks in the next couple of drafts... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: pmac21 on March 14, 2024, 10:18:01 PM
Agree, go to draft now.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on March 22, 2024, 01:23:02 AM
TRADE WATCH: WHY RIVALS EXPECT BUSY TIGERS

The Tigers loom as one of this year’s big list management stories.

Rival clubs spoken to by foxfooty.com.au this week expect Richmond to attack this year’s draft hard, considering the make-up of its list and recent draft history.

The Tigers have only had one top-15 pick in the past eight drafts: Josh Gibcus (Pick 9, 2021), who’s out for the rest of the season due to an ACL rupture. That’s because the Tigers were firstly in the midst of a premiership dynasty then, essentially, traded out of two drafts to land Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper from the Giants. So they need more top-end talent.

The Tigers, as it stands, have their natural first, second and third-rounders, as well as both of Fremantle’s second and third-round selections and three fourth-round picks.

It means they have options to either replenish the list with young talent, or trade those picks to point-needy sides.

And recruiters wouldn’t be surprised if the Tigers packaged up some of those second to fourth-round selections in an attempt to acquire earlier picks.

Then there’s also the possible compensation should players like Liam Baker (trade) or Jack Graham (free agent) look for another home.

WA product Baker has interest from both West Coast and Fremantle. While the Eagles, like Richmond, are expected to attack the draft considering their list position, the Dockers are expected to be busy at the trade table considering they’re loaded with three first-rounders. They’ve also been linked to Swans key forward Logan McDonald – another WA native.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/draft/afl-draft-prospects-2024-finn-osullivan-levi-ashcroft-among-top-10-players-fatherson-prospects-academy-stars-pick-trades/news-story/201ed8b934322fecc6c6cb3969f8e1ae
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on April 16, 2024, 08:27:45 PM
Jack Lukosius will be one of many key forwards the Tigers will enquire about.

Richmond will prioritise a key forward this off season, and plan to also draft a key position player.

https://twitter.com/jamesdevennn/status/1780110834808799684
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on April 16, 2024, 08:50:36 PM
Desperate need for more young mids as well.....hope the club doesn't think we're set becauswe we'll still have 5 years of Taranto & Hopper with Dow leading the next generation.. :help
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on April 16, 2024, 10:17:25 PM
Jack Lukosius will be one of many key forwards the Tigers will enquire about.

Richmond will prioritise a key forward this off season, and plan to also draft a key position player.

https://twitter.com/jamesdevennn/status/1780110834808799684

Problem is lukosius ain’t a key forward even if Gold Coast try to make him be
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on April 16, 2024, 10:27:00 PM
Probably time to trade virtually anyone work currency unfortunately
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on April 16, 2024, 10:34:55 PM
Jack Lukosius will be one of many key forwards the Tigers will enquire about.

Richmond will prioritise a key forward this off season, and plan to also draft a key position player.

https://twitter.com/jamesdevennn/status/1780110834808799684

Problem is lukosius ain’t a key forward even if Gold Coast try to make him be


A noted flog on another board who fancies himself as a bit of "gun" poster :shh suggested we get Jarrod Brander -now captain of Mildura- in the MSD....which would effectively be the budget version of that.... :propeller
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: wayne on April 17, 2024, 05:40:16 PM
Dan Rioli on the Gold Coast meeting with Dimma
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on April 17, 2024, 05:45:55 PM
Dan Rioli on the Gold Coast meeting with Dimma

Yep Channel 10 News

"10 News First understands Richmond premiership player Daniel Rioli has visited the Gold Coast and it wasn’t just for a holiday.

Rioli is known to have a close relationship with Suns coach Damien Hardwick, with the running defender spending the first two years of his AFL career living in his then-coach's home.

Rioli is contracted with the Tigers until the end of 2027, but could be available for the Suns via a trade.

For more, watch Josh Mclean’s exclusive story on 10 News First at 5pm | @McJoshmclean @GoldCoastSUNS @Richmond_FC"

https://twitter.com/10NewsFirstQLD/status/1780491529888596169?t=C2Ssauh47x1eLRnYrnJFww&s=19
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on April 17, 2024, 05:57:12 PM
Well that's at least another first round pick right there.....will MRJ follow him? Will Bolton get itchy feet if two of his bruthas leave? Could end up with the sort of draft hand usually reserved for expansion clubs.....  :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Francois Jackson on April 17, 2024, 07:10:09 PM
well that just sucks. FU Dimma

dead to me

Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: mat073 on April 17, 2024, 08:20:03 PM
Sometimes I feel like the RFC is a carcass that is being picked clean .
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on April 17, 2024, 08:21:05 PM
Surely he wants to give us something big for Hopper as well given he rated him so highly a few years ago..

Left us in good shape
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Francois Jackson on April 17, 2024, 08:31:22 PM
he wants to stuff us even more no doubt,

culture has fallen apart, benny doesnt gaf anymore just like some of the players dont. They dumped Balmey who would be so crucial in the coming years..

if we lose Rioli, Baker, Bolton we will be in North Melbourne territory until the end of this decade.


(no need for the crude comments - would hope you wouldnt want your wife or daughters described like that)
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: eliminator on April 17, 2024, 08:48:20 PM
It seems the press are painting the club as a sinking ship.⁷
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Simonator on April 17, 2024, 08:51:22 PM
If he was going up there for a holiday and caught up with dimma with no ill intentions would anyone be surprised ? I don’t think Rioli wants to leave, but if he did it’s a 1st rd pick for sure
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on April 17, 2024, 09:28:18 PM
Contracted for 2 years so we are in charge.

He either won't go or won't go cheaply.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on April 17, 2024, 09:41:47 PM
Queue the over reaction to a news story that is designed to stir the masses

Clearly they succeeded
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on April 17, 2024, 10:22:24 PM
People have been sprucing trading out top players to get draft picks. Now we get some random media speculation (channel 10 mins you who haven’t had a reliable footy scoop in 20 years), same people start fuming. I don’t get it.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Francois Jackson on April 17, 2024, 10:42:32 PM
People have been sprucing trading out top players to get draft picks. Now we get some random media speculation (channel 10 mins you who haven’t had a reliable footy scoop in 20 years), same people start fuming. I don’t get it.

If we truly cared about draft picks we wouldnt have hopper languishing around the place.

Some players I don't think should be traded and he Rioli is one, unless it's an offer you can't refuse.

Baker I wouldn't have an issue with and def short. That should give us 2 top 15 picks. Get rid of Hopper and that's 3.



Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on April 18, 2024, 12:20:33 AM
People have been sprucing trading out top players to get draft picks. Now we get some random media speculation (channel 10 mins you who haven’t had a reliable footy scoop in 20 years), same people start fuming. I don’t get it.

If we truly cared about draft picks we wouldnt have hopper languishing around the place.

Some players I don't think should be traded and he Rioli is one, unless it's an offer you can't refuse.

Baker I wouldn't have an issue with and def short. That should give us 2 top 15 picks. Get rid of Hopper and that's 3.





The way we're going we may need to package a pick with Hopper to offload his wages for a FA lol
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Francois Jackson on April 18, 2024, 06:51:57 AM
Wouldn't surprise Andy  if he may want to leave given the circumstances he ended up at ours.

We need to get active on FA big time. We need talent both young and old. Even Nank is pushing 30 now as well ffs.

Will be hard to prize FA talent compared with the likes of pies unlsss we offer the farm, but we must  to remain relevant and to use up a salary cap which should be bare soon.   :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on April 18, 2024, 09:40:30 AM
People have been sprucing trading out top players to get draft picks. Now we get some random media speculation (channel 10 mins you who haven’t had a reliable footy scoop in 20 years), same people start fuming. I don’t get it.

If we truly cared about draft picks we wouldnt have hopper languishing around the place.

Some players I don't think should be traded and he Rioli is one, unless it's an offer you can't refuse.

Baker I wouldn't have an issue with and def short. That should give us 2 top 15 picks. Get rid of Hopper and that's 3.

Not sure we'd get a top 15 pick for any of them, definitely not Short or Hopper.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Chuck17 on April 18, 2024, 10:28:56 AM
Only players with any real currency would be Bolton and Taranto
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Francois Jackson on April 18, 2024, 10:39:58 AM
Only players with any real currency would be Bolton and Taranto

na would have thought Baker as well but most definitely D Rioli. The latter would be worth a top 10 any day of the week in my book. Look what pies gave up for Schulz.

Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on April 18, 2024, 12:12:04 PM
Wouldn't surprise Andy  if he may want to leave given the circumstances he ended up at ours.

We need to get active on FA big time. We need talent both young and old. Even Nank is pushing 30 now as well ffs.

Will be hard to prize FA talent compared with the likes of pies unlsss we offer the farm, but we must  to remain relevant and to use up a salary cap which should be bare soon.   :shh

Problem is nobody would want to trade him in on performance so it would need to be like the Geelong taking Bowes deal. If a team has cap space and wants to hit the draft we'll need to package him with a pick that makes it worth their while to pay him $700k for 5 stuffing years lol.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on April 18, 2024, 07:01:03 PM
Wouldn't surprise Andy  if he may want to leave given the circumstances he ended up at ours.

We need to get active on FA big time. We need talent both young and old. Even Nank is pushing 30 now as well ffs.

Will be hard to prize FA talent compared with the likes of pies unlsss we offer the farm, but we must  to remain relevant and to use up a salary cap which should be bare soon.   :shh

Problem is nobody would want to trade him in on performance so it would need to be like the Geelong taking Bowes deal. If a team has cap space and wants to hit the draft we'll need to package him with a pick that makes it worth their while to pay him $700k for 5 stuffing years lol.

Why in gods name would we do that? Our salary cap will be bare especially with dusty, Prestias and Lynchys contracts done. If anything we should be front loading who has remained while we are down on talent so that when we make our way up the ladder we’ll have optimal cap to bring in FA’s.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on April 18, 2024, 08:33:51 PM
Wouldn't surprise Andy  if he may want to leave given the circumstances he ended up at ours.

We need to get active on FA big time. We need talent both young and old. Even Nank is pushing 30 now as well ffs.

Will be hard to prize FA talent compared with the likes of pies unlsss we offer the farm, but we must  to remain relevant and to use up a salary cap which should be bare soon.   :shh

Problem is nobody would want to trade him in on performance so it would need to be like the Geelong taking Bowes deal. If a team has cap space and wants to hit the draft we'll need to package him with a pick that makes it worth their while to pay him $700k for 5 stuffing years lol.

Why in gods name would we do that? Our salary cap will be bare especially with dusty, Prestias and Lynchys contracts done. If anything we should be front loading who has remained while we are down on talent so that when we make our way up the ladder we’ll have optimal cap to bring in FA’s.

Oh I agree re: not needing the cap.

Just don't know if Hopper is going to be worth it and FJ posited he may want to leave anyway.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on April 19, 2024, 08:45:22 PM
Richmond will fight tooth and nail to keep two of its biggest stars at Punt Road beyond this year.

Tiger's chief Brendan Gale hitting back at suggestions the Tigers premiership core is about to be broken up.

Watch here: https://twitter.com/7NewsMelbourne/status/1781247489322139725
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on April 19, 2024, 09:25:19 PM
Premiership core is gone lol
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: MintOnLamb on April 22, 2024, 09:22:32 PM
Any trade deal to get us sheezel??
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on April 22, 2024, 09:36:48 PM
Any trade deal to get us sheezel??

Not a chance

N0rt won't trade him and he extended his contract last year
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: MintOnLamb on April 22, 2024, 10:42:10 PM
Any trade deal to get us sheezel??

Not a chance

N0rt won't trade him and he extended his contract last year
Tyvm
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on May 05, 2024, 12:50:00 AM
Jamarra Ugle-Hagan has re-signed with the Bulldogs for two-years.

Mitch Cleary said JUH knocked back massive offers from Richmond and Hawthorn.

https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1786739256578203973
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Knighter on May 05, 2024, 05:51:09 AM
Dumb prick should have left the stinking kennel
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on May 05, 2024, 09:31:32 AM
Jamarra Ugle-Hagan has re-signed with the Bulldogs for two-years.

Mitch Cleary said JUH knocked back massive offers from Richmond and Hawthorn.

https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1786739256578203973

WOW

That's a surprise  :rollin
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Damo on May 05, 2024, 09:39:07 AM
Jamarra Ugle-Hagan has re-signed with the Bulldogs for two-years.

Mitch Cleary said JUH knocked back massive offers from Richmond and Hawthorn.

https://twitter.com/7AFL/status/1786739256578203973

WOW

That's a surprise  :rollin

If he was offered the rumoured 10+ year deal worth a squillion from us, and signed with the dogs so quickly for two , I’d say the timing is surprising

Not that it’s a worry

The deal rumoured was ridiculous
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on May 07, 2024, 06:01:12 PM
We're going hard for Reid....the catch - so are are at least half a dozen other Victorian clubs.... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on May 09, 2024, 01:47:39 PM
SupercalifragilisticletsgetJackLukosius..... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on May 09, 2024, 08:52:29 PM
SupercalifragilisticletsgetJackLukosius..... :shh

Superfragiletigerslistunlesswegetlukosius
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Wazza on May 09, 2024, 08:56:59 PM
SupercalifragilisticletsgetJackLukosius..... :shh

Superfragiletigerslistunlesswegetlukosius

Very very funny by both of you!!! Well done  :clapping
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on May 16, 2024, 08:12:55 PM
https://x.com/CameronHicks__/status/1791011984919732318?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1791011984919732318%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

(https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/the_who_band_portrait_a_l.jpg?w=2000&h=1126&crop=1)

Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on May 20, 2024, 12:09:12 AM
We're going hard for Reid....the catch - so are are at least half a dozen other Victorian clubs.... :shh
Going to be some eye watering offers for this kid.......Baker, Bolton and our first - would you do it? Reckon I just might.... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on May 20, 2024, 12:13:49 AM
We're going hard for Reid....the catch - so are are at least half a dozen other Victorian clubs.... :shh

Going to be some eye watering offers for this kid.......Baker, Bolton and our first - would you do it? Reckon I just might.... :shh

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/vdJQWZpLcdEucBpp/?mibextid=jmPrMh

Wooooooweeeeee
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on May 20, 2024, 12:17:49 AM
We're going hard for Reid....the catch - so are are at least half a dozen other Victorian clubs.... :shh

Going to be some eye watering offers for this kid.......Baker, Bolton and our first - would you do it? Reckon I just might.... :shh

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/vdJQWZpLcdEucBpp/?mibextid=jmPrMh

Wooooooweeeeee

Single-handedly tore apart a premiership contender playing in a bottom 4 side in only his tenth senior game looking like Dusty in 2017....even making Judd's first year look pedestrian  - yeah I'd sell the farm.....the exact kind of player you build a list around that wins you flags and  puts bums on seats.... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on May 20, 2024, 07:34:33 AM
There is absolutely no way he’s leaving the Eagles until end of 3rd year. I’d doubt anyone will ever get him from Perth. HJ’s franchises will be lined up for him, ambassador roles for his girlfriend at Rio Tinto and Woodside….. Harley’s going to be an extremely wealthy man by the year’s end
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on May 20, 2024, 10:06:46 PM
Chris Judd says hello.... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Francois Jackson on May 20, 2024, 10:22:40 PM
after a few years though. 5 at least he played up there?

 In a way im glad we were never a chance to get him because we likely would have stuffed it up as north did.

what a jet.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on May 20, 2024, 10:27:53 PM
He still left. Where there's a will there's a way....that's where the best administrations and list managers earn their keep.... :shh

Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Knighter on May 20, 2024, 11:30:11 PM
He still left. Where there's a will there's a way....that's where the best administrations and list managers earn their keep.... :shh

Cool so he’ll end up at Lollingwood, Sidney or Geesook
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on May 21, 2024, 12:10:14 AM
He still left. Where there's a will there's a way....that's where the best administrations and list managers earn their keep.... :shh

Cool so he’ll end up at Lollingwood, Sidney or Geesook

Yeah probably or the Brownpaperbaggers. Supported the Dawks FWIW. :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on May 21, 2024, 06:56:13 AM
Chris Judd says hello.... :shh

Arrived at Carlton in his 7th year. How did that work out for the Blues? If he ever left, I’d like it to top up an already successful team like Danger when he went to the Cats. It took them forever to get the actual flag but they had a flag list for most of the time he was there. The finished 2nd the year he arrived in 2016 and have pretty much stayed there ever since. Carlton used Judd as the messiah and he ended up just being a very naughty boy
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on May 22, 2024, 12:42:39 PM
oh really...

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/05/21/some-are-willing-to-make-plenty-of-it-why-reids-comments-around-homesickness/

:shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on May 22, 2024, 01:15:31 PM
Wonder if a 10 year deal on $1.5mil would tempt him?
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Damo on May 22, 2024, 01:21:40 PM
Wonder if a 10 year deal on $1.5mil would tempt him?

Irrelevant
It’s what will tempt West Coast

Would have to give them an arm and a leg
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on May 22, 2024, 01:26:27 PM
Wonder if a 10 year deal on $1.5mil would tempt him?

Irrelevant
It’s what will tempt West Coast

Would have to give them an arm and a leg

Wonder if Baker + P2 would be a starting point
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on May 22, 2024, 02:05:49 PM
Yes that would be the absolute barest minimum I'd imagine and if that was all they asked for we'd be flat out trying not to start jumping around and laughing  like lunatics in front of them and they'd be flat out trying to stop their supporters from burning the joint down.... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Damo on May 22, 2024, 02:27:50 PM
Yes that would be the absolute barest minimum I'd imagine and if that was all they asked for we'd be flat out trying not to start jumping around and laughing  like lunatics in front of them and they'd be flat out trying to stop their supporters from burning the joint down.... :shh

Baker
Pick 2
Second pick this year
First pick next year
Third pick next year

Something crazy like that is what it would take

Pick 2 and a hobbit for him and we would be making out like bandits
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on May 22, 2024, 03:03:24 PM
I'd be reluctant to offer 2025 first.

Heck maybe we could offer them Shorty too haha
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: camboon on May 22, 2024, 03:13:30 PM
What’s the chances , thinking none, they will sell the farm to keep him
They will set up with girlfriends , like Judd and buy him a chain of pubs
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: georgies31 on May 22, 2024, 03:23:00 PM
Short the first one that needs to be put on the table.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on May 22, 2024, 04:50:31 PM
I don’t think they’d have any reason to trade him this year. Not like his stocks are gonna go down by the end of his current deal, if anything they’ll go up and teams will still have to trade for him even when he’s out of contract.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on May 22, 2024, 06:18:16 PM
I don’t think they’d have any reason to trade him this year. Not like his stocks are gonna go down by the end of his current deal, if anything they’ll go up and teams will still have to trade for him even when he’s out of contract.

Only if he does a JHF which is a red flag in itself
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on May 22, 2024, 07:03:56 PM
Just wanting to go home isn't a red flag on it's own...the issue with JHF was the way he sooked it up at Norf and played like shyte while Reid's knuckling down, being professional and playing out of his skin.... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on May 22, 2024, 08:59:15 PM
Reid is the guest on Talking Footy tonight

And FWIW,  he won't be leaving WC, reckon a contract extension is likely next year.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: pmac21 on May 22, 2024, 09:14:19 PM
Who's he barrack for, probably Essendon
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on May 22, 2024, 09:51:39 PM
Cats
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on May 22, 2024, 11:44:50 PM
Tigers are cats...his mum's Albanian too...... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on May 23, 2024, 12:33:07 AM
RICHMOND

The Tigers loom as a big player in this year’s off-season. There’s a plethora of contract calls for Adem Yze and his coaching and recruiting teams to make as the Tigers enter a new era after a successful dynasty under Damien Hardwick. Liam Bakeris drawing significant interest from both Western Australian clubs and has purchased a property in Perth, but the Tigers are keen to retain him. Jack Graham is weighing up a move elsewhere, potentially back to South Australia, while Daniel Riolihas been linked with the Gold Coast Suns in a move which would see him reunite with his former coach. Dare we ask whether Dustin Martin will retire once he reaches 300 games? The Tigers are in a rebuild stage so will likely attack the draft rather than chase trade targets or free agents as they look to reset under Yze.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2024-every-afl-clubs-mega-trade-preview-at-midseason-trade-news-targets-free-agents-afl-draft-rumours-contracts-signings-latest-news/news-story/10da0cfe730cb1a86e2a9bedbf2e900c
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on May 24, 2024, 10:50:20 PM
It's happening gif.

https://x.com/TigerTom24/status/1793788622203969791

:clapping :dancing :dancingpickle :gotigers :dancingpickle :dancing :clapping
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hart4Jack on May 24, 2024, 11:21:10 PM
It's happening gif.

https://x.com/TigerTom24/status/1793788622203969791

:clapping :dancing :dancingpickle :gotigers :dancingpickle :dancing :clapping

Hmmmm are you sure it's not just someone having a lark.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on May 24, 2024, 11:51:15 PM
It's happening gif.

https://x.com/TigerTom24/status/1793788622203969791

:clapping :dancing :dancingpickle :gotigers :dancingpickle :dancing :clapping

Hmmmm are you sure it's not just someone having a lark.

Are you questioning the prestige & impeccable credentials of an anonymous X account? :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: MintOnLamb on May 25, 2024, 12:00:06 AM
It's happening gif.

https://x.com/TigerTom24/status/1793788622203969791

:clapping :dancing :dancingpickle :gotigers :dancingpickle :dancing :clapping

Hmmmm are you sure it's not just someone having a lark.
Are you ‘aving a lark then??
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on May 27, 2024, 06:12:58 PM
Hmmm....well well well...

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/chad-warner-knocks-back-sydney-swans-contract-extension-offer/news-story/59f22c105334ca7e9f8803bf7becd569

 :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on May 27, 2024, 09:19:24 PM
Anyone got a spare sink?
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on May 27, 2024, 09:58:42 PM
He’ll end up home in Perth.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on May 27, 2024, 10:13:03 PM
Hmmm....well well well...

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/chad-warner-knocks-back-sydney-swans-contract-extension-offer/news-story/59f22c105334ca7e9f8803bf7becd569

 :shh

He's contracted until the end of 2025

He's not the 1st to park contract extension talks with 12 months to go. Some would suggest it's a smart move. He keeps playing the way he is he'll add a few more $$ on his next contract
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on June 05, 2024, 08:16:32 PM
https://x.com/xandermcg9/status/1798278740654563377

Sure thing freo, that’ll be all your picks thanks or serong + some picks
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on June 05, 2024, 08:28:44 PM
Wrong WA team #OperationHomesickHarley :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on June 05, 2024, 08:39:27 PM
Serong ain’t a bad consolation prize lol
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on June 05, 2024, 08:50:01 PM
I'd take their picks 10 + 13 + 15 for Bolton.

Trade further up with the other picks we have and we could end up with 3x top 10 picks.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: the claw on June 05, 2024, 09:52:32 PM
How many really good 24 thru say 27 year old players do we have? With a rebuild good players in this age range are needed more than any other type.

Whats the point of having 10 top 10 picks if there is no one there to help them develop.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on June 05, 2024, 09:58:07 PM
How many really good 24 thru say 27 year old players do we have? With a rebuild good players in this age range are needed more than any other type.

Whats the point of having 10 top 10 picks if there is no one there to help them develop.

Seriously,  I really don't know what to say.... :help
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on June 05, 2024, 10:27:51 PM
Treacy and some first rounders would do me.
Bolton and Baker for Treacy and 2 top 10 picks would be perfect.
Fully fit, our midfield is ok. Key forward is dire.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on June 06, 2024, 08:58:41 PM
Maybe we can nab a young key forward like this guy:

https://x.com/7AFL/status/1798518777119985868
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on June 13, 2024, 12:02:29 AM
Rumour we're into Will Phillips from Norf - thankfully the talk is mainly just on Big Footy so far, so probably not true...would be an upgrade on Dow but that's not saying much and seems pretty pointless if we're about to hit a draft hard that's supposedly overflowing with midfield talent ...surely we wouldn't go down that road instead and trade any decent picks for the likes of him....barely even touching it in the magoos atm...would rather just use a rookie pick to get RCD back if that's the case..... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on June 13, 2024, 09:46:58 AM
Rumour we're into Will Phillips from Norf - thankfully the talk is mainly just on Big Footy so far, so probably not true...would be an upgrade on Dow but that's not saying much and seems pretty pointless if we're about to hit a draft hard that's supposedly overflowing with midfield talent ...surely we wouldn't go down that road instead and trade any decent picks for the likes of him....barely even touching it in the magoos atm...would rather just use a rookie pick to get RCD back if that's the case..... :shh

Averaging 23 touches and 6 tackles in the VFL.

Mostly a handballer so probably an extractor type, like a poor man's Tom Mitchell/Lachie Neale.

He showed a bit in 2023 statistically but tbh I've not heard a peep about him.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on June 13, 2024, 12:34:37 PM
More fool me...shoulda known not to trust Big Footy...said in his last two matches that he only got 5 & 12....just checked and the stuffin' idiots were only counting his kicks..... :propeller

Word is Norf are after experience and are looking at McIntosh among others......would do a straight swap.... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on June 13, 2024, 04:40:22 PM
More fool me...shoulda known not to trust Big Footy...said in his last two matches that he only got 5 & 12....just checked and the stuffin' idiots were only counting his kicks..... :propeller

Word is Norf are after experience and are looking at McIntosh among others......would do a straight swap.... :shh

I like him but he can go haha
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on June 21, 2024, 04:40:32 PM
From Big Footy West Coke board:

(https://i.imgur.com/Xmj8Bxk.png)
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on June 21, 2024, 05:06:07 PM
The Snitch: Richmond Tigers duo Shai Bolton, Liam Baker meet with West Coast and Fremantle in trip home

Paywall: https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl/the-snitch-richmond-tigers-duo-shai-bolton-liam-baker-meet-with-west-coast-and-fremantle-in-trip-home-c-15087981
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Willy on June 21, 2024, 08:37:25 PM
Trade Shai. Keep Bakes.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on June 21, 2024, 09:25:21 PM
Trade Shai. Keep Bakes.

Bakes is out of contract, so he holds the aces here. Club wants to keep him but if he wants to go, then he will go. All about the best deal we can get. My personal view has been for a while now he will leave

Shai's contracted and I cannot see the Club trading him

Just my take
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on June 21, 2024, 09:47:14 PM
Trade Shai. Keep Bakes.

Racist.... :thumbsdown
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on June 21, 2024, 11:35:28 PM
https://x.com/cleary_mitch/status/1804081909884162397?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1804081909884162397%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

 :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on June 22, 2024, 12:55:55 PM
Trade Shai. Keep Bakes.

Bakes is out of contract, so he holds the aces here. Club wants to keep him but if he wants to go, then he will go. All about the best deal we can get. My personal view has been for a while now he will leave

Shai's contracted and I cannot see the Club trading him

Just my take

Does he? He isnt even a restricted free agent?

As long as we stay below Eagles on ladder, he can’t nominate for December draft without us getting in his way.

I am frankly getting tired of the loser talk approach of our supporters and the club toward players.
We need to shift from “it’s ok, a great opportunity for the kid” to “we developed him and will block any move unless we get full value”.

Make a statement with Baker to clubs, managers and player if he thinks he just waltz out of the club without us getting fair return - a top 10 pick.

I hated Dodoro but he made it extremely hard for players and clubs which is why he got a top 10 pick for Saad


Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Francois Jackson on June 22, 2024, 01:36:45 PM
 :bow Well said HRT.

He is a top 10 pick any day of the week. Club must make a stand here as we aren't winning a flag for 6-10 years, so this will keep happening.

Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: pmac21 on June 22, 2024, 07:26:40 PM
Would anyone trade Shai to WC for pick 3 this year?
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: OneEyedRichmond on June 22, 2024, 07:34:19 PM
Would anyone trade Shai to WC for pick 3 this year?

Would do it in a heart beat.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Go Richo 12 on June 22, 2024, 07:56:44 PM
Would anyone trade Shai to WC for pick 3 this year?

Would do it in a heart beat.
Let’s hope your heart beats once every 5/6 years.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: pmac21 on June 22, 2024, 08:01:37 PM
WC probably give that up for Baker
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on June 22, 2024, 08:21:30 PM
Trade Shai. Keep Bakes.

Bakes is out of contract, so he holds the aces here. Club wants to keep him but if he wants to go, then he will go. All about the best deal we can get. My personal view has been for a while now he will leave

Shai's contracted and I cannot see the Club trading him

Just my take

Does he? He isnt even a restricted free agent?

As long as we stay below Eagles on ladder, he can’t nominate for December draft without us getting in his way.

I am frankly getting tired of the loser talk approach of our supporters and the club toward players.
We need to shift from “it’s ok, a great opportunity for the kid” to “we developed him and will block any move unless we get full value”.

Make a statement with Baker to clubs, managers and player if he thinks he just waltz out of the club without us getting fair return - a top 10 pick.

I hated Dodoro but he made it extremely hard for players and clubs which is why he got a top 10 pick for Saad

He certainly can nominate for the December draft. He has the advantage of being able to nominate at the terms of  his contract. So he can manipulate the system so he prices himself into a position where only his preferred club can fit him into the cap. It has happened before.

If he wants to go, then there's no point in keeping him. I will confess I've change my view on this over the years. It isn't "loser talk", it is just a case of believing if someone doesn't want to part of our Club, then let them go.

Get the best deal and let them go. Play hard ball on any deal absolutely! But end of the day if he chooses to leave the Club that took him a chance on him, then let him go because clearly the loyalty once spoken sbout no longer exists
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on June 22, 2024, 08:26:28 PM
Yep sounds like Luke Ball
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on June 22, 2024, 09:23:11 PM
Trade Shai. Keep Bakes.

Bakes is out of contract, so he holds the aces here. Club wants to keep him but if he wants to go, then he will go. All about the best deal we can get. My personal view has been for a while now he will leave

Shai's contracted and I cannot see the Club trading him

Just my take

Does he? He isnt even a restricted free agent?

As long as we stay below Eagles on ladder, he can’t nominate for December draft without us getting in his way.

I am frankly getting tired of the loser talk approach of our supporters and the club toward players.
We need to shift from “it’s ok, a great opportunity for the kid” to “we developed him and will block any move unless we get full value”.

Make a statement with Baker to clubs, managers and player if he thinks he just waltz out of the club without us getting fair return - a top 10 pick.

I hated Dodoro but he made it extremely hard for players and clubs which is why he got a top 10 pick for Saad

He certainly can nominate for the December draft. He has the advantage of being able to nominate at the terms of  his contract. So he can manipulate the system so he prices himself into a position where only his preferred club can fit him into the cap. It has happened before.

If he wants to go, then there's no point in keeping him. I will confess I've change my view on this over the years. It isn't "loser talk", it is just a case of believing if someone doesn't want to part of our Club, then let them go.

Get the best deal and let them go. Play hard ball on any deal absolutely! But end of the day if he chooses to leave the Club that took him a chance on him, then let him go because clearly the loyalty once spoken sbout no longer exists

You don’t let a bloke like Baker go for nothing.
Particularly when you have options that force the issue.

I have no idea why anyone would let someone go for nothing when they can block that move.
What is the logic? It does feel a bit loserish - my definition being that you are accepting your fate - not trying to bend it to your will
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on June 22, 2024, 10:54:03 PM
Quote

You don’t let a bloke like Baker go for nothing.
Particularly when you have options that force the issue.

I have no idea why anyone would let someone go for nothing when they can block that move.
What is the logic? It does feel a bit loserish - my definition being that you are accepting your fate - not trying to bend it to your will

Where did suggest to let him go for nothing? I posted a number of times you get the best deal.

You're suggesting the Club risk letting him go through to PSD so they can re-deaft him. If he puts a price on his head that ends up meaning a front ended contract that we can't cover under the salary then we lose him for nothing.... is that a good result or is sending a message that misses the mark more important?
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on June 23, 2024, 08:15:56 AM
I was referencing the comment that Baker had “all the aces” when in fact he does not. Far from it. The only ace that he has is that he is out of contract.
We are below both Perth clubs on the ladder and he isn’t a free agent so either club will have to trade.
Even if West Coast finish below us on the ladder, we can deal with Freo and I would still say his manager would be pushing a club like West Coast to do the right thing and trade. The trade game goes beyond one deal and many managers are on the record that playing this type of hardball isn’t viewed favourably across the industry.
So, we have aces, he has aces - if he wants to play that game he might be in for a rude shock
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on June 24, 2024, 01:58:55 PM
TOM MORRIS' CONTRACTED AFL PLAYERS TO KEEP AN EYE ON IN THE TRADE PERIOD

SEN
24 June 2024


The status of a contracted player doesn’t necessarily mean they’ll stay put at their current club.

Channel 9 journalist and SEN regular Tom Morris has provided an update on a dozen contracted players who we should keep an eye on as the 2024 season progresses.

“At this time of the year, whenever you bring up contracted players, clubs invariably say, ‘Well, they’re contracted, they’re not going anywhere’,” Morris said on SEN Breakfast.

“I’ve done a bit of research and from 2018 to 2023 almost 50 per cent of players traded have been under contract. So don’t be fooled by clubs saying they’ve got a deal because often it doesn’t matter.

“What we saw last year was almost every single contracted player who wanted to go ended up moving clubs.”

Shai Bolton and Daniel Rioli (Richmond)

“Xander McGuire has reported Shai Bolton who is contracted until the end of 2028.

“Daniel Rioli is very close to (Gold Coast coach) Damien Hardwick, we know that.”

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/06/23/tom-morris-12-contracted-afl-players-to-keep-an-eye-on-in-the-trade-period/

The media regurgitating their own rumours  ::)
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on June 25, 2024, 01:35:19 AM
Hearing Baker & Bolton for Reid & WC's 2nd is definitely in play.... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on June 25, 2024, 07:17:06 AM
Hearing Baker & Bolton for Reid & WC's 2nd is definitely in play.... :shh

 :invasion :jump :thatsgold
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: yandb on June 26, 2024, 12:51:59 PM
Why are we discussing the possibility of Bake's shafting us he is a great club man and if he decided to go I believe it would be amicably.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on June 26, 2024, 01:59:06 PM
Why are we discussing the possibility of Bake's shafting us he is a great club man and if he decided to go I believe it would be amicably.

Yep. Even CCJ didn't want that.

Bakes won't.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on June 26, 2024, 02:56:12 PM
I totally agree but even he would let manager and club handle it.
Reality is that we have more aces in the pack that Eagles might think.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on July 09, 2024, 02:18:00 PM
Simpson sacked...Cokeheads in turmoil.....will Reid want to stick around? :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on July 10, 2024, 06:23:56 PM
Despite rival interest from his home state, it doesn’t appear livewire Shai Bolton is going anywhere. Meantime, club vice-captain Liam Baker would apparently prefer West Coast to Fremantle if a departure were indeed on the cards.

“I think Fremantle at one stage said: ‘Baker and Bolton, let’s make you an offer that you can’t refuse’. Now, Baker has refused — he’d like to get to West Coast if he could — and so too has Bolton — directly from his manager,” Ralph revealed.

“He has told the Richmond list boss to lock it in, he’s going to stay.”

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-whispers-2024-max-king-could-be-on-nineyear-deal-shai-bolton-update-liam-bakers-preference-josh-treacy-to-be-rewarded-st-kilda-saints-richmond-tigers-fremantle-dockers-rumours-latest-news/news-story/9c907b0377302e4ea00f8d7847e6b4a3
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on July 11, 2024, 01:35:03 AM
Does anyone ever pick freo over west coast lol

Eagles literally have the worst list in their history by a considerable margin and players still prefer them to freo who are currently top4.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on July 11, 2024, 10:27:29 AM
Does anyone ever pick freo over west coast lol

Eagles literally have the worst list in their history by a considerable margin and players still prefer them to freo who are currently top4.

I guess WCE is more established. Huge fan base, some premiership success.

Personally I'd rather be at Freo myself, especially given WCE is coach shopping and likely to be pox for years.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: MintOnLamb on July 11, 2024, 11:23:21 PM
The Freo theme song is hideous
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on July 11, 2024, 11:33:38 PM
The Freo theme song is hideous

Debatable whether it’s worse than the eagles one.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on July 23, 2024, 10:37:45 PM
Five trade targets for every AFL team: Richmond Tigers

Mitch Keating
zerohanger.com
July 23, 2024


Richmond has emerged as a fascinating watch ahead of this year's trade, free agency and draft space as they near the end of their first season under coach Adem Yze.

Currently holding Pick 1 for this year's AFL Draft, the Tigers could significantly add to an already strong draft hand should they lose several senior cogs and premiership stalwarts through the player movement space.

While the imminent draft additions will go a long way in their pursuit to return to the top end of the ladder, the Tigers will likely look to the current crop of players in the AFL who could aid their plans from 2025 onwards through trading.

So who might be in the Tigers' sights this off-season? We've named five potential trade targets for Richmond to consider...

1. Jai Culley

The former Mid-Season Draft Pick 1 selection remains without a contract at West Coast with five games left in the season and Saturday's appearance against the Saints was just his second at AFL level for the year.

Injuries have taken their toll on the Dandenong Stingrays product, who returned from an ACL injury in Round 13 before facing further setbacks in just his second full season with the Eagles.

His uncertain future in Perth could spark some intrigue from clubs in his home state who are keen to add to their midfield stocks without paying a high price, and Richmond could be one club to show some interest.

Given the potential loss of Liam Baker to the Eagles, Culley could be a 'steak knives' addition in negotiations to potentially get a deal over the line.

Culley himself could look to grow into the role Baker has held under Adem Yze this season, roaming across half-forward and through the middle when relied upon.

2. Elijah Tsatas

If the suggestion that rivals could come calling for the former Pick 5 draft star is true, then Richmond should be right at the front of the queue.

The Tigers are likely to hold a strong draft hand during the off-season, especially if they lose the likes of Liam Baker, Daniel Rioli, Dustin Martin and Jack Graham.

Should all four depart, and potentially Dion Prestia also, then the Tigers will be in need of midfield talent and will have the draft capital to chase emerging players as well as the ability to attack the top end of the draft.

Baker's potential departure could see Richmond handed a pick in the middle of the first round, which could be passed on to Essendon for Tsatas as he struggles to find consistency at senior level.

It would be a significant decision for Essendon to consider however, but will need to assess where Tsatas sits in their midfield pecking order and what value they'll get for the teenager in 12 months' time should he remain on the fringes.

3. Dan Houston

Much like Tsatas, if recent trade speculation surrounding Houston grows stronger, then Richmond should be among the clubs looking to take advantage of the situation.

The All-Australian defender won't come cheap, but the Tigers could have the pick(s) needed to satisfy the Power while also holding their opening selection for this year's count at the very least.

And with the number of potential roles available in midfield at Punt Road from 2025 onwards, could the Tigers offer Houston a role in the centre of the field to complement the contested ball-winning nous of Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper?

Houston wouldn't get in the way of the development of Richmond's young midfielders either as he can return to his more traditional role in defence as part of his rotations.

4. Will Phillips

A cheaper midfield option similar to Culley, with Phillips also unsigned beyond this year and unlikely to come at a large cost despite joining North Melbourne four years ago as a top-five draft selection.

The Roos onballer has struggled to have an impact on both sides of possession this year, with most of Phillips' best performances coming in a lockdown role under Alastair Clarkson.

The long list of Kangaroos midfielders ahead of him could lead to Phillips assessing his options beyond this year as his contract nears its expiry, with a club like Richmond perhaps among the keen contenders to look at his services.

5. Ash Johnson

Away from midfield options, Richmond may look toward adding some spark to their forward half through cheaper trade avenues.

Adem Yze has plenty to work with in his key position stocks but is yet to have his side at full strength, with Noah Balta likely viewed as a tall forward rather than a defender as the Tigers hope to have Josh Gibcus and Tylar Young join Ben Miller in the backline come Round 1 next year.

The other end of the field should see Tom Lynch, Samson Ryan, Jacob Koschitzke and Balta all contend for spots, but the arrival of Johnson could add some depth in attack and allow Balta to move back when required.

The athletic and high-leaping Magpie isn't off-contract this year, but could assess his options away from Olympic Park as he struggles to break into a struggling Collingwood outfit.

https://www.zerohanger.com/five-trade-targets-for-every-afl-team-richmond-tigers-153248/
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on July 23, 2024, 11:38:17 PM
Phillips is a rumoured target which is bad enough....as for those other laughable suggestions -  Tsatas is Essendon's answer to Jimmy Toumpas....Johnson can't a get a gig in a side that's struggling & crying out for a kpf -'nuff said....know stuff all about Culley but an injury prone MSD pick on the outer at a side just as shyte as us is hardly inspiring ...and as if Houston would come to rebuilding wooden spoon contender... :joker :propeller :joker
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on July 24, 2024, 12:14:08 AM
Maybe Houston if we lose Rioli.

Otherwise a no to the rest.

Laughable, the suggestion that we are flush for key forwards lmao
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on July 24, 2024, 07:23:05 AM
Ash Johnston is an interesting thought. 3rd tall and can play high hf
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on July 24, 2024, 11:34:19 AM
Ash Johnston is an interesting thought. 3rd tall and can play high hf

I think he's a plodder myself.

Is he currently injured?
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: yandb on July 24, 2024, 11:48:09 AM
Big pass
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on July 24, 2024, 10:20:32 PM
Let's not stuff around with Baker trade. Let's do what we can to get pick 3 off West Coast. They won't give it for swap, nor anyone would. But if we lost Rioli for some GC picks. We could possibly get picks 7 and 10 for Rioli, Id expect a pick going back to GC to balance the deal. Id prefer 35 but GC would want pick 21


So it's be Rioli and Pick 21 for 7 and 10.

Then we could package up Baker and Pick 10 for Pick 3. Against WCE would want 7 which I think would be an unfair trade Baker is better than a 4 pick upgrade.

So in end the ins and outs would be

Richmond
Out: Baker, Rioli, Pick 21
Ins: Picks 3 and 7

GC
Ins Rioli, Pick 21
Out Pick 7 and 10

WCE
Ins Baker and Pick 10
Out Pick 3


Go to Draft table with Pick 1, 3 and 7.

That would get us
Jagga Smith
Draper
Lalor

Wonderful foundation for rebuild. Especially before Tassie concessions.

If we are enormously lucky Smillie may slide not making AA squad.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on July 24, 2024, 10:28:20 PM
This draft is stacked with deep top 10 talent. I really hope something like this is explored. We can't get into top 10 picks unless we give up something significant. I wouldn't play around with future 1st round. That has to be kept for age breadth of the rebuild.

I see a pretty fair, win, win, win trade with that. WCE get their play and stay in first round. I doubt their WA draft boy is worth pick 3 so they'll get him at Pick 10. GC don't need kids they need finals next year. rioli helps and fills a huge need for them with no decent running half back. We want picks in top 10.

Think the only risk to this would be whether Rioli really does want to go to GC.

Get it done tiges
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on July 24, 2024, 11:45:22 PM
Rumour going round Elijah Tsatas may request a trade to Richmond come seasons end

https://x.com/RichmondFCSZN/status/1816002643497832470

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COULD A TOP FIVE DRAFT PICK BE SQUEEZED OUT AT TULLAMARINE?

After less than a dozen games at the top level since his drafting two years ago, young midfielder Elijah Tsatas could be probed into looking elsewhere for opportunity.

Tsatas, who was taken with Essendon’s Pick 5 in the 2022 Draft, has played seven games so far this year, however, five of them have been as the sub.

Additionally, only three games this season has the 19-year-old played more than 40 per cent game time (and four more than 20 per cent) – meaning the writing could already be on the wall given the impact of the likes of Sam Durham and Jye Caldwell in the engine room lately.

“He’s played 11 games over the last two years … how is he going to come in? Is Essendon a great fit for him at the moment? I don’t think it is,” Herald Sun journalist Jay Clark said on Fox Footy’s Midweek Tackle.

“Caldwell has gone through the roof, Sam Durham (has) become an A-grade midfielder himself, Hobbs still to come in, Parish, Merrett – I don’t think they need Tsatas anymore.”

“That’s a huge story for me - a number five draft pick, it was him or (Mattaes) Phillipou at the draft … to punt him after two, three years I think that would be a massive decision,” fellow Herald Sun journalist Sam Landsberger added.

With plenty of attributes that catch the eye of rival clubs, one team in particular took the fancy of Clark as a suitor.

“Keep an eye on Richmond here; if Richmond lose Daniel Rioli … I just wonder whether Richmond could be interested.”

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/fears-over-mids-future-as-saints-eye-bomber-again-pick-5-to-be-squeezed-out-trade-whispers/news-story/fe6f988a5b6275db7dbe47feb08c7d57
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on July 25, 2024, 12:00:24 AM
GETTABLE: Why Tigers should hunt six first-rounders

“If I’m Freo, I’m offering Richmond picks 6, 12 and 15 for Shai Bolton and Liam Baker and saying ‘Here you go, do you want these picks?’”

How should Richmond approach its off-season?

https://x.com/gettable_afl/status/1816041229005590699
https://www.afl.com.au/video/1179314/gettable-why-tigers-should-hunt-six-first-rounders-swan-talks-parked-blues-on-hold
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Francois Jackson on July 25, 2024, 12:02:20 AM
Great idea. Just ask clarko
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on July 25, 2024, 08:16:51 AM
If Bolton is going I don't know if that's enough but it's a start. Those picks will end up around 8, 15 and 20 odd.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: camboon on July 25, 2024, 08:24:01 AM
Bolts is contracted , why exchange  an A grader for a couple of kids that may be duds , yer nah.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Simonator on July 25, 2024, 08:51:34 AM
Bolts is contracted , why exchange  an A grader for a couple of kids that may be duds , yer nah.

He’s certainly perceived as an A grader but I’m not so sure. In a weak side his weaknesses are really exposed. His finishing around goals has been deplorable. Even his field kicking has been pretty poor. Continuously has brain fades, gives away bad frees. I think a challenging team would love to have him though. Would trade him in a heart beat. With baker for those 3 picks ? Might be a little under but probably worth it imo. Allows us to get 2 quality mids and also pick up Harry Armstrong, a promising key forward
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on July 25, 2024, 01:32:28 PM
Bolts is contracted , why exchange  an A grader for a couple of kids that may be duds , yer nah.

Poor discipline. Goes missing. Don't see any leadership qualities. Flip a coin - he's either high impact or diddly squat.

Also represents out best trade currency given people love his highlights, his age demographic, being a premiership player + contracted.

At this stage he won't play in our next flag team and any meaningful contributions on the field ultimately just hurt our rebuild in the long-run.

Good option for a contender wanting a good small forward who can go into the midfield.

The only thing I'd truly miss is his midfield breakaway speed!


He’s certainly perceived as an A grader but I’m not so sure. In a weak side his weaknesses are really exposed. His finishing around goals has been deplorable. Even his field kicking has been pretty poor. Continuously has brain fades, gives away bad frees. I think a challenging team would love to have him though. Would trade him in a heart beat. With baker for those 3 picks ? Might be a little under but probably worth it imo. Allows us to get 2 quality mids and also pick up Harry Armstrong, a promising key forward

On the money as always Simon!
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on July 25, 2024, 02:56:42 PM
If we're offering up both Bolton & Baker to Freo then I'd want next year's first as well as those three picks which on their own is effectively less than what we gave up for Taranto & Hopper....rather just offer them to West Coast for Reid instead.... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on July 25, 2024, 05:05:12 PM
If we're offering up both Bolton & Baker to Freo then I'd want next year's first as well as those three picks which on their own is effectively less than what we gave up for Taranto & Hopper....rather just offer them to West Coast for Reid instead.... :shh

Spot on Dio.
Set’s us up nicely for free agency in 2027/28 and then having a real crack a couple of years after that
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: MintOnLamb on July 25, 2024, 05:43:35 PM
Bolts is contracted , why exchange  an A grader for a couple of kids that may be duds , yer nah.
Agree 100%
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Simonator on July 31, 2024, 05:01:38 PM
Bolton will apparently pursue a trade to WA.

This trade just has to get done IMO.

Freo has Collingwods and Ports picks, currently 7th and 12th.

Take those two and run IMO.

Bolton won't be in our next premeriship team. He isnt as good as the media makes him out to be and certainly isnt a guy to build a team around.. he's a cream on the top player as I said 2 years ago. Trade him and load up on this draft. With Baker going too thats 4 picks under 20. Get it done
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Francois Jackson on July 31, 2024, 06:45:15 PM
4 picks under 20 is rubbish mate. I'd want 4 picks under 10.

If true that Bolton is leaving after being on a long term contract I'd be concerned what kind of culture is going on down there at the moment.

Baker I can accept as he is out of contact, but Bolton I can't unless he has had enough of the direction.



Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on July 31, 2024, 06:45:47 PM
The idea of all these top 20 picks is making me think of the unbelievably successful 2004 draft.

AT is scared
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Francois Jackson on July 31, 2024, 06:48:51 PM
The idea of all these top 20 picks is making me think of the unbelievably successful 2004 draft.

AT is scared

Let's not forget the 2021 successful draft that has thus far delivered us sfa, with brown looking the best accompanied by a few duds.





Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Simonator on July 31, 2024, 06:50:55 PM
The idea of all these top 20 picks is making me think of the unbelievably successful 2004 draft.

AT is scared

Let's not forget the 2021 successful draft that has thus far delivered us sfa, with brown looking the best accompanied by a few duds.

Well 4 picks under 20 will definitely deliver more success than that draft
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on July 31, 2024, 07:03:15 PM
The idea of all these top 20 picks is making me think of the unbelievably successful 2004 draft.

AT is scared

Let's not forget the 2021 successful draft that has thus far delivered us sfa, with brown looking the best accompanied by a few duds.

Well 4 picks under 20 will definitely deliver more success than that draft

We had pick 20 in 2004 to go along with 4 more in the top 16... :shh

I want high picks too but I bloody hope our recruiters have their contacts in this year
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on July 31, 2024, 07:15:30 PM
The idea of all these top 20 picks is making me think of the unbelievably successful 2004 draft.

AT is scared

Let's not forget the 2021 successful draft that has thus far delivered us sfa, with brown looking the best accompanied by a few duds.

Well 4 picks under 20 will definitely deliver more success than that draft

We had pick 20 in 2004 to go along with 4 more in the top 16... :shh

I want high picks too but I bloody hope our recruiters have their contacts in this year

Yes this trade any half decent player we have for a haul of draft picks is destined to fail. The top20 is littered with duds every single year. I’d also like to see some examples of a club drafting 5 good-great players in a single draft and even if that can provided it would certainly be the exception not the rule.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Francois Jackson on July 31, 2024, 07:24:30 PM
The idea of all these top 20 picks is making me think of the unbelievably successful 2004 draft.

AT is scared

Let's not forget the 2021 successful draft that has thus far delivered us sfa, with brown looking the best accompanied by a few duds.

Well 4 picks under 20 will definitely deliver more success than that draft

Are you 100% sure? I'm not. Thomson Dow was pick 18 and injury prone gibcus pick 8. At this stage I'd say both flops.

4 under 10 which is what I would expect to receive to facilitate those trades is good value . Bolton has been a match winner.

Lachie Schultz is currently a pick 6-8 and another second rounder current 22-24. That is what pies paid, let's not even go down what we paid for hopper and you quickly understand why 2 first rounders is not enough as they have to be early rounders.

Has anyone looked at north, and how pathetic they become which has a lot to do with getting rid of all the older players.

Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on July 31, 2024, 07:35:25 PM
Bolton will apparently pursue a trade to WA.


really? Source?

Just curious, it certainly isn't what his management is saying
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on July 31, 2024, 07:40:41 PM
Bolton will apparently pursue a trade to WA.

This trade just has to get done IMO.

Freo has Collingwods and Ports picks, currently 7th and 12th.

Take those two and run IMO.

Bolton won't be in our next premeriship team. He isnt as good as the media makes him out to be and certainly isnt a guy to build a team around.. he's a cream on the top player as I said 2 years ago. Trade him and load up on this draft. With Baker going too thats 4 picks under 20. Get it done

Inclined to agree. You've been on the money with this one all along.

But is 7+12 enough? They'll slide.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on July 31, 2024, 07:41:14 PM
If we get 1 and split it we could have maybe 3x top 10 and another possibly around 15.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on July 31, 2024, 07:43:15 PM
7 years @ 10.5 million :o
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Francois Jackson on July 31, 2024, 08:07:00 PM
Bolton will apparently pursue a trade to WA.


really? Source?

Just curious, it certainly isn't what his management is saying
TIGER WANTS OUT, STAR ‘OPEN’ TO LEAVING TOO

Richmond could heavily accelerate its rebuild this trade period with Daniel Rioli keen to play for Gold Coast and Shai Bolton open to a move to Fremantle.

Nine’s Tom Morris reported Rioli’s current “preference” is to reunite with former coach Damien Hardwick at the Suns in 2025.

Rioli is contracted for another three years but the 27-year-old may be in the right bracket of player Richmond looks to trade out to gain draft assets.

That’s exactly what the Suns have to offer, as they own three first-round picks - their own (currently 6), the Bulldogs’ pick (currently 11) and North Melbourne’s second end-of-first-round special assistance pick (currently 20) - and two second-round picks, their own and Hawthorn’s.

“We know Gold Coast would love to bring in Daniel Rioli on a long-term deal, and I can tell you tonight Rioli would also like to get to the Gold Coast Suns,” Morris said on Wednesday night.

“His preference at this stage is to play for the Suns in 2025, where he’ll reunite with Damien Hardwick. The pair remain close and lived together for a couple of years.

“And he’s precisely the sort of player Hardwick wants to bring in; the stumbling point is Richmond, which has him signed for another three years and could shut the trade down immediately. But in October Gold Coast will be armed with three draft picks in the top 20 which will surely tempt the Tigers.”

Meanwhile 25-year-old Bolton, arguably the best player on the Tigers’ list, appears willing to head back home to the west.

“Bolton is keen on a move to Fremantle and, like the Suns, the Dockers have lots of draft picks to offer him,” Morris said on Wednesday night.

Fremantle owns three first-round picks - its own, Port Adelaide’s and Collingwood’s - to help satisfy the Tigers in a deal.

“Freo is still chasing him,” AFL Media’s Cal Twomey said on Gettable this week.

“And he wants to get back to Western Australia. He will pursue this.

“Four years to run on his deal, but the Tigers, again, are in control of this one.

“But the Dockers have picks. It comes down to this big call: Do you do it now while the club that he might want to get to has the selections to appease?

“And is that appealing enough to make it happen? How deep do you cut? That is still a watch.”

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2024-trade-news-rumours-whispers-geelong-melbourne-interest-in-jake-waterman-daniel-rioli-to-gold-coast-shai-bolton-to-fremantle/news-story/760dd53809f23476130a69b766f98289

not really a source, more of a dud source but this was written today.

why would he meet them if he is not interested? :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: rogerd3 on July 31, 2024, 08:11:42 PM
Do it now.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on July 31, 2024, 08:26:48 PM
Bolton will apparently pursue a trade to WA.


really? Source?

Just curious, it certainly isn't what his management is saying

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2024-trade-news-rumours-whispers-geelong-melbourne-interest-in-jake-waterman-daniel-rioli-to-gold-coast-shai-bolton-to-fremantle/news-story/760dd53809f23476130a69b766f98289

not really a source, more of a dud source but this was written today.

why would he meet them if he is not interested? :shh

TBH Frankie, I don't really care if he stays or if he goes

For the $$$ he is on (has to be one our hihgest paid players now) his output this season has been mediocre at best

As I said to someone at work the other week "Shai is all duck or no dinner". When he is one he is brilliant when he is off he is woeful
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Damo on July 31, 2024, 09:11:22 PM
Potting the recruiters for Gibcus injuries and calling him a flop is a stretch

I’d say he’s shown a lot when out there .. more than justified pick 8

Recruiters can’t be blamed for unlucky injuries
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on July 31, 2024, 09:34:37 PM

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2024-trade-news-rumours-whispers-geelong-melbourne-interest-in-jake-waterman-daniel-rioli-to-gold-coast-shai-bolton-to-fremantle/news-story/760dd53809f23476130a69b766f98289

not really a source, more of a dud source but this was written today.

why would he meet them if he is not interested? :shh

Report also says Dan Rioli wants out to get to the GC and Dimma

While as I said I'm not fussed about Shai going or staying I would be peeved if Dan Rioli goes. Club has done so much for him over the years.

Just my take but IMHO Club needs to make a stand on at least one of them and not trade. They are both contracted so the Club holds the aces here
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Francois Jackson on July 31, 2024, 10:24:27 PM

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2024-trade-news-rumours-whispers-geelong-melbourne-interest-in-jake-waterman-daniel-rioli-to-gold-coast-shai-bolton-to-fremantle/news-story/760dd53809f23476130a69b766f98289

not really a source, more of a dud source but this was written today.

why would he meet them if he is not interested? :shh

Report also says Dan Rioli wants out to get to the GC and Dimma

While as I said I'm not fussed about Shai going or staying I would be peeved if Dan Rioli goes. Club has done so much for him over the years.

Just my take but IMHO Club needs to make a stand on at least one of them and not trade. They are both contracted so the Club holds the aces here

100% agree on this. We can't be letting players just walk out of contracts. Dan is the one that would really annoy me more than Bolton who let's be honest is playing like he has checked out.

We also have MrJ to deal with and if Dan goes then chances are we lose MrJ as well pretty soon.

Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on July 31, 2024, 10:53:08 PM
Bolton can go.

Sad about Baker and Rioli if they go. Need their leadership.

They're two blokes I actually wanted for captaincy.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on July 31, 2024, 10:54:38 PM

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2024-trade-news-rumours-whispers-geelong-melbourne-interest-in-jake-waterman-daniel-rioli-to-gold-coast-shai-bolton-to-fremantle/news-story/760dd53809f23476130a69b766f98289

not really a source, more of a dud source but this was written today.

why would he meet them if he is not interested? :shh

Report also says Dan Rioli wants out to get to the GC and Dimma

While as I said I'm not fussed about Shai going or staying I would be peeved if Dan Rioli goes. Club has done so much for him over the years.

Just my take but IMHO Club needs to make a stand on at least one of them and not trade. They are both contracted so the Club holds the aces here

100% agree on this. We can't be letting players just walk out of contracts. Dan is the one that would really annoy me more than Bolton who let's be honest is playing like he has checked out.

We also have MrJ to deal with and if Dan goes then chances are we lose MrJ as well pretty soon.



Wasn't there some silly rumour that we might get 3 1st rounder's for both Riolis?

If all 3 go we could end up with 7 1st round picks fmd.

Better off spreading them into 25 you'd think.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on August 01, 2024, 10:55:21 AM


100% agree on this. We can't be letting players just walk out of contracts. Dan is the one that would really annoy me more than Bolton who let's be honest is playing like he has checked out.

We also have MrJ to deal with and if Dan goes then chances are we lose MrJ as well pretty soon.

Great point you make about MRJ Frankie

By media reports there is a contract extension there and when he got injured it was just about across the line. Now we are hearing crickets.

Both have said they want to play along side each other...so it's hard not to think that while these Dan rumours are swirling that MJ is waiting to see what happens

Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on August 01, 2024, 11:30:22 AM
I'm not sure MRJ is in much of a position to be doing anything but getting back in shape and showing more of the form that finally warranted him being near an AFL outfit
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: lamington on August 01, 2024, 12:17:37 PM
There was a stat where you draft a Rioli you win a premiership. It might be that mrj breaks that streak
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on August 01, 2024, 12:32:02 PM
I want absolutely maximum returns for our contracted players in Bolton + D Rioli, and if Baker + MRJ go I want good deals for them too.

F them all.

GCS can give us 6, 11 & 20 for both Riolis. I'd be asking for that as a starting point.

If Baker & Bolton are going west them I'm looking at all their R1 picks too. 3, 7, 12 & 16. They can find a way to make that work back to us.

With talent walking out the door I'm happy to pay some of the contracts of Bolton + D Rioli, especially while Freo contests for a flag with a heavy TPP, and we have lots of cheap draftees coming in + Dusty/Lynch finishing their contracts, so that we get better trade returns.

Go the draft with 1, 3, 6, 7, 11, 12, 16, 20, 21.

Trade 36, 39, 41, 54, 57, 63 + 68 for a higher pick too.

Or trade some picks for 2025 also. Should be getting 3-4 1st rounders this year and next at least.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on August 01, 2024, 03:10:57 PM
Just watched that "Gettable" podcast on AFL.com

Few Tigers spoken about

In no particular order and what I can remember

Dan Rioli - GC keen, no trade request yet

Bolton - supposedly has said he wants to go. Freo has the picks but Tigers hold the aces

Baker - his manager is in Melb this week. Freo have better picks than WC so they are in the mix. But Baker hasn't made a decision but Twomey reckons he'll go (bob each way was Cal)

Graham - may go but discussions with Tigers should be starting. WC very interested as are a number of other Clubs but SA c,ubs not as interested this time

Prestia  - said 1 year deal likely

McIntosh - not contracted and they basically had no clue on what might happen there and just said Tigers have alot of senior blokes put of contract

Of the names of players from other clubs one that caught my eye was Ben Hobbs from the Bumbling Bombers has 1 year to go on his current deal but may be looking for other opportunities as not getting games.  I remember itvwas suggested we were going to take him (we took Gibcus instead).

Reckon he'd be worth a look, kid can play, fits our demographic...interested in others thoughts

Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Simonator on August 01, 2024, 05:08:27 PM
I don’t think all 3 of Rioli Bolton and baker leave, if I had to guess who’s most likely to stay I feel it’s Rioli. Only see 2 of them leaving though.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: wayne on August 01, 2024, 06:21:19 PM
I want absolutely maximum returns for our contracted players in Bolton + D Rioli, and if Baker + MRJ go I want good deals for them too.

F them all.

GCS can give us 6, 11 & 20 for both Riolis. I'd be asking for that as a starting point.

If Baker & Bolton are going west them I'm looking at all their R1 picks too. 3, 7, 12 & 16. They can find a way to make that work back to us.

With talent walking out the door I'm happy to pay some of the contracts of Bolton + D Rioli, especially while Freo contests for a flag with a heavy TPP, and we have lots of cheap draftees coming in + Dusty/Lynch finishing their contracts, so that we get better trade returns.

Go the draft with 1, 3, 6, 7, 11, 12, 16, 20, 21.

Trade 36, 39, 41, 54, 57, 63 + 68 for a higher pick too.

Or trade some picks for 2025 also. Should be getting 3-4 1st rounders this year and next at least.

If we pay parts of their contracts we might get their earlier picks.

Lets face it, we're bottom WITH Baker, Bolton and Rioli, we can't sink any lower, lets smash the next two drafts. Lets blow the joint up.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Francois Jackson on August 01, 2024, 09:31:27 PM
Just watched that "Gettable" podcast on AFL.com

Few Tigers spoken about

In no particular order and what I can remember

Dan Rioli - GC keen, no trade request yet

Bolton - supposedly has said he wants to go. Freo has the picks but Tigers hold the aces

Baker - his manager is in Melb this week. Freo have better picks than WC so they are in the mix. But Baker hasn't made a decision but Twomey reckons he'll go (bob each way was Cal)

Graham - may go but discussions with Tigers should be starting. WC very interested as are a number of other Clubs but SA c,ubs not as interested this time

Prestia  - said 1 year deal likely

McIntosh - not contracted and they basically had no clue on what might happen there and just said Tigers have alot of senior blokes put of contract

Of the names of players from other clubs one that caught my eye was Ben Hobbs from the Bumbling Bombers has 1 year to go on his current deal but may be looking for other opportunities as not getting games.  I remember itvwas suggested we were going to take him (we took Gibcus instead).

Reckon he'd be worth a look, kid can play, fits our demographic...interested in others thoughts

not a fan of Hobbs based on what i have seen.. Seems to struggle a lot with the pace of the game, which could be as a result of that joke of a club.

Could be worth a punt with a second rounder







Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on August 01, 2024, 09:54:08 PM
Some reckon we made enough of a hash of that draft as it is - thank stuff we didn't end up taking Hobbs over Gibcus...total bust.. poor man's Hopper...... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on August 01, 2024, 10:32:05 PM
Just watched that "Gettable" podcast on AFL.com

Few Tigers spoken about

In no particular order and what I can remember

Dan Rioli - GC keen, no trade request yet

Bolton - supposedly has said he wants to go. Freo has the picks but Tigers hold the aces

Baker - his manager is in Melb this week. Freo have better picks than WC so they are in the mix. But Baker hasn't made a decision but Twomey reckons he'll go (bob each way was Cal)

Graham - may go but discussions with Tigers should be starting. WC very interested as are a number of other Clubs but SA c,ubs not as interested this time

Prestia  - said 1 year deal likely

McIntosh - not contracted and they basically had no clue on what might happen there and just said Tigers have alot of senior blokes put of contract

Of the names of players from other clubs one that caught my eye was Ben Hobbs from the Bumbling Bombers has 1 year to go on his current deal but may be looking for other opportunities as not getting games.  I remember itvwas suggested we were going to take him (we took Gibcus instead).

Reckon he'd be worth a look, kid can play, fits our demographic...interested in others thoughts

not a fan of Hobbs based on what i have seen.. Seems to struggle a lot with the pace of the game, which could be as a result of that joke of a club.

Could be worth a punt with a second rounder









Also not interested myself.

Looks slow, hands only, suspect by foot. Really not getting enough ball for the hype he had in draft year.

Kinda glad because I was keen to have him at tigerland.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on August 02, 2024, 07:49:11 AM

I would give any top 10 pick who’s less than 4 years in the system a go. They still have heaps of development which you may as well find out about.
Just make sure it’s a second or third rounder so the other option of drafting is just as speculative or worse.

It’s a balance of probability thing.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: hyperlite on August 02, 2024, 09:11:21 AM
The most concerning thing about bringing in new young talent is our inability to develop them. By selling off ready made players, we're banking that these younger 18 year old players are going to flourish under our system, set training standards and become leaders of the next generation. I have not seen anything to suggest we have the right development team or the right tools in place for since we were contenders to get the most out of new recruits. Brown, Sonsie, Dow, Clarke, Banks, Smith, Green all have had patches of green shoots, but nothing thats going to lift us off the bottom 4 anytime soon.

If you trade out D Rioli, Bolton, Baker, etc, there goes a bunch of players who have/do set training standards, are proven players and have developed into quality players. We should be hanging into them tightly and if all go, at least be replacing one of these players with another ready made/developed player.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: georgies31 on August 02, 2024, 02:41:28 PM
The most concerning thing about bringing in new young talent is our inability to develop them. By selling off ready made players, we're banking that these younger 18 year old players are going to flourish under our system, set training standards and become leaders of the next generation. I have not seen anything to suggest we have the right development team or the right tools in place for since we were contenders to get the most out of new recruits. Brown, Sonsie, Dow, Clarke, Banks, Smith, Green all have had patches of green shoots, but nothing thats going to lift us off the bottom 4 anytime soon.

If you trade out D Rioli, Bolton, Baker, etc, there goes a bunch of players who have/do set training standards, are proven players and have developed into quality players. We should be hanging into them tightly and if all go, at least be replacing one of these players with another ready made/developed player.

Na that was issue under Dimma.
This year we have seen alot of development under Yze
Morris is fantastic to and Lambert
I think Lonegeran needs to go.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024 pp
Post by: Francois Jackson on August 02, 2024, 03:07:16 PM
We must be watching different games as I have seen little development in many players.

Dow, Sonzie, Samson, Banks nothing. Clarke prior to Injury nothing.

Brown has shown promise.

There won't be enough pages in the sack yze thread if we start copping 100 point losses next year with a list full of kids and token players like Kosi and ryan.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024 pp
Post by: WilliamPowell on August 02, 2024, 03:57:30 PM
We must be watching different games as I have seen little development in many players.

Dow, Sonzie, Samson, Banks nothing. Clarke prior to Injury nothing.

Brown has shown promise.

There won't be enough pages in the sack yze thread if we start copping 100 point losses next year with a list full of kids and token players like Kosi and ryan.

I think geogies31 has raised a really interesting point. While I agree with you Frankie on a couple you've mentioned I reckon it is also worth looking at the dates he's given opportunities (yes alot through necessity to a number of players and now proper decisions can be made

Dow - has been given a good run this year (finally) so we've all been able to see what he can and/or can't do. So now there is no question around what should happen. Before 2024 it was all speculation

Agree re Banks and Ryan  - been disappointing

Sonsie - clearly been played out position

So there the negatives

But they are outweighed by the positives which IMHO are:

Miller- improved

Brown  - improved

Hugo - huge improvement

Mansell  - improved

Campbell - given opportunities,  massive upside

McAuliffe - see Campbell

Smith - see Campbell and McAuliffe

Green  - again given opportunities

MRJ  - until his injury improvement

Ross - see MRJ

Lefau- given opportunities

Don't think it's fair to evaluate those who have season ending injuries eg Gibcus, Clarke and Fawcett

My point is this year for many reasons we've seen kids played, given opportunities.  Some haven't shown improvement but gee alot have and that's a positive for the coach and the development team
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024 pp
Post by: georgies31 on August 02, 2024, 08:17:26 PM
We must be watching different games as I have seen little development in many players.

Dow, Sonzie, Samson, Banks nothing. Clarke prior to Injury nothing.

Brown has shown promise.

There won't be enough pages in the sack yze thread if we start copping 100 point losses next year with a list full of kids and token players like Kosi and ryan.

Miller ,Brown ,Campbell, Lefau , Rioli junior, Hugo, Green no credit for them besides Brown that's being with blinkers on. Previous regime either didn't give them opportunities or they we're out of position. Yze and co aren't going to get everyone right as you said Dow ,Sonsie disappointing. Ryan his still developing as a ruck. Banks yes needs to show more.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024 pp
Post by: Francois Jackson on August 02, 2024, 08:22:04 PM
We must be watching different games as I have seen little development in many players.

Dow, Sonzie, Samson, Banks nothing. Clarke prior to Injury nothing.

Brown has shown promise.

There won't be enough pages in the sack yze thread if we start copping 100 point losses next year with a list full of kids and token players like Kosi and ryan.

Miller ,Brown ,Campbell, Lefau , Rioli junior, Hugo, Green no credit for them besides Brown that's being with blinkers on.

yeah they are killing it :lol. Miller showed promise last year as did MRJ.

Hugo i would put in the Brown category. As for the rest id say your reaching if your claiming a lot of development under Yze.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024 pp
Post by: Francois Jackson on August 02, 2024, 08:33:39 PM
We must be watching different games as I have seen little development in many players.

Dow, Sonzie, Samson, Banks nothing. Clarke prior to Injury nothing.

Brown has shown promise.

There won't be enough pages in the sack yze thread if we start copping 100 point losses next year with a list full of kids and token players like Kosi and ryan.

I think geogies31 has raised a really interesting point. While I agree with you Frankie on a couple you've mentioned I reckon it is also worth looking at the dates he's given opportunities (yes alot through necessity to a number of players and now proper decisions can be made

Dow - has been given a good run this year (finally) so we've all been able to see what he can and/or can't do. So now there is no question around what should happen. Before 2024 it was all speculation

Agree re Banks and Ryan  - been disappointing

Sonsie - clearly been played out position

So there the negatives

But they are outweighed by the positives which IMHO are:

Miller- improved

Brown  - improved

Hugo - huge improvement

Mansell  - improved

Campbell - given opportunities,  massive upside

McAuliffe - see Campbell

Smith - see Campbell and McAuliffe

Green  - again given opportunities

MRJ  - until his injury improvement

Ross - see MRJ

Lefau- given opportunities

Don't think it's fair to evaluate those who have season ending injuries eg Gibcus, Clarke and Fawcett

My point is this year for many reasons we've seen kids played, given opportunities.  Some haven't shown improvement but gee alot have and that's a positive for the coach and the development team

WP the word used is a lot of improvmenet and im not sure how you can say you have seen a lot of improvement in many of those names. You dont want to critique players like Clarke due to limnited games this year, but then on the other hand claim guys who have played limited games as having improved a lot. They show potential that is all they show.

you say Sonsie is played out of position well whose fault is that? Lets have a conversation in the future when there is real development shall we.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024 pp
Post by: WilliamPowell on August 02, 2024, 08:36:40 PM

yeah they are killing it :lol. Miller showed promise last year as did MRJ.

Hugo i would put in the Brown category. As for the rest id say your reaching if your claiming a lot of development under Yze.

FWIW finished my post above from earlier

Part of development is giving kids opportunities

Under our previous coach that rarely happened.

In a season as bleak as this one it is seeing these kids getting opportunities and improving has been the only thing keeping me going every week
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on August 04, 2024, 10:42:04 AM
We absolutely must get as much top end talent this year. It will be generationally defining. We risk becoming Essendon if we miss the boat these next 2 years before Tassie. No side has been successful without top end draft talent. Yes, plenty high draft picks fail, but the successful teams have a core of the best players in the comp. Apart from Bolton, maybe Balta, Gibcus there isn't anything under 25 that says top 10 player in comp at Tigerland. We need to get 2-3 potential to p 10 players in the comp.

We had Dusty Cotch Jack Rance Lynch (and other ofcourse) but all these guys were first rounders. Rance 19.

Take emotion out of it, if Bolton, Rioli and Baker all go we could create a top end talent foundation we will be unable to create when Tassie come.

Pick 1, 21 currently would be top end.
34, 39, 41, 52 are squad players and expect some to be packaged to help darger don and academies.
- 39 and 52 (692 points) could go to Carlton to help with Camp twins) and get pick 32. +108 points for them.
- 34, 41 and 71 (997 points) to GC for academy players and we get Pick 20. +85 points to them.
65 (90) points can be used to get any deal over the line.

Now with Pick 1, 20, 21, 32.

I don't think we get 2 first rounders for Rioli. I think Pick 13 and maybe a later pick is fair.  If we wanted Pick 6 we'd have to throw in picks 20 and 21. Which I struggle to see happening. Reality would be Rioli for pick 13.

Now with Pick 1, 13, 20, 21, 32

Bolton I think is simple if Baker joins him and I think all 3 first rounders is fair. If Baker goes to WCE it'll take a while to get Freos top pick because 14 and 17 is unders for Bolton. I think Baker goes to Freo. Bolton joins and we add Pick 9, 14 and 17.

Now with:
Pick 1, 9, 14, 17, 20, 21 and 35.

Id consider packaging up a combo of 20, 21 and 35 for a future first so we spread our currency over two drafts.

Great draft hand. Build the next gen.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on August 04, 2024, 11:52:46 AM
We absolutely must get as much top end talent this year. It will be generationally defining. We risk becoming Essendon if we miss the boat these next 2 years before Tassie. No side has been successful without top end draft talent. Yes, plenty high draft picks fail, but the successful teams have a core of the best players in the comp. Apart from Bolton, maybe Balta, Gibcus there isn't anything under 25 that says top 10 player in comp at Tigerland. We need to get 2-3 potential to p 10 players in the comp.

We had Dusty Cotch Jack Rance Lynch (and other ofcourse) but all these guys were first rounders. Rance 19.

Take emotion out of it, if Bolton, Rioli and Baker all go we could create a top end talent foundation we will be unable to create when Tassie come.

Pick 1, 21 currently would be top end.
34, 39, 41, 52 are squad players and expect some to be packaged to help darger don and academies.
- 39 and 52 (692 points) could go to Carlton to help with Camp twins) and get pick 32. +108 points for them.
- 34, 41 and 71 (997 points) to GC for academy players and we get Pick 20. +85 points to them.
65 (90) points can be used to get any deal over the line.

Now with Pick 1, 20, 21, 32.

I don't think we get 2 first rounders for Rioli. I think Pick 13 and maybe a later pick is fair.  If we wanted Pick 6 we'd have to throw in picks 20 and 21. Which I struggle to see happening. Reality would be Rioli for pick 13.

Now with Pick 1, 13, 20, 21, 32

Bolton I think is simple if Baker joins him and I think all 3 first rounders is fair. If Baker goes to WCE it'll take a while to get Freos top pick because 14 and 17 is unders for Bolton. I think Baker goes to Freo. Bolton joins and we add Pick 9, 14 and 17.

Now with:
Pick 1, 9, 14, 17, 20, 21 and 35.

Id consider packaging up a combo of 20, 21 and 35 for a future first so we spread our currency over two drafts.

Great draft hand. Build the next gen.

Agree with your sentiments entirely except that from my observations clubs tend to want better point surplus than what you're suggesting around that +100 mark.

I think we'd be better off packaging more picks to academy/FS clubs to get proper 1st rounders back.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on August 04, 2024, 01:40:24 PM
It depends where they rate their linked players are, it's hard to know. But generally increase in points is positive.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: camboon on August 04, 2024, 04:10:15 PM
Can anyone guarantee pick 1 will be better than pick 20 , I can’t , if your relying on our recruitment team to get it half  right, didn’t pick Van Royan or Bazza even though we desperately needed them, obsessed with back flankers
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Francois Jackson on August 04, 2024, 05:11:15 PM
Can anyone guarantee pick 1 will be better than pick 20 , I can’t , if your relying on our recruitment team to get it half  right, didn’t pick Van Royan or Bazza even though we desperately needed them, obsessed with back flankers

this.

how many pick ones are better than pick 2 or 3's and so on

more often than not they arent the best player. I think there are pro's and con's either way in that your later selections are brought forward by 1 as well.

Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on August 04, 2024, 05:29:05 PM
P1 is also a lot of points so if we don't want to use it we can package it with lower picks for more top 10 picks.

Regardless it gives us the best draft hand.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: pmac21 on August 04, 2024, 05:39:00 PM
People.  Rioli & Bolton are CONTRACTED premiership players.  Whoever is after them has to pay extra.  Period. 
Otherwise you just keep them. 
There also contracted for multiple years so it's not like the other club can wait it out. 
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: MintOnLamb on August 04, 2024, 06:16:43 PM
Can anyone guarantee pick 1 will be better than pick 20 , I can’t , if your relying on our recruitment team to get it half  right, didn’t pick Van Royan or Bazza even though we desperately needed them, obsessed with back flankers

this.

how many pick ones are better than pick 2 or 3's and so on

more often than not they arent the best player. I think there are pro's and con's either way in that your later selections are brought forward by 1 as well.
So if you traded pick 1, what could you realistically expect back?? Eg pick one for pick 5 and 6??
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Damo on August 04, 2024, 07:02:48 PM
Can anyone guarantee pick 1 will be better than pick 20 , I can’t , if your relying on our recruitment team to get it half  right, didn’t pick Van Royan or Bazza even though we desperately needed them, obsessed with back flankers

this.

how many pick ones are better than pick 2 or 3's and so on

more often than not they arent the best player. I think there are pro's and con's either way in that your later selections are brought forward by 1 as well.
So if you traded pick 1, what could you realistically expect back?? Eg pick one for pick 5 and 6??

Considering pick one is worth 3000
Pick 5 and 6 are worth 3629

So no , you wouldn’t get 5 and 6 for pick one
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on August 04, 2024, 07:07:45 PM
People aren’t trading for pick 1 for points they’re trading for it so they can their pick of the bunch. Not saying someone would offer 5 and 6, but points don’t really factor into it.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Damo on August 04, 2024, 07:15:03 PM
People aren’t trading for pick 1 for points they’re trading for it so they can their pick of the bunch. Not saying someone would offer 5 and 6, but points don’t really factor into it.

Gives an indication of what the picks are worth

And with an even draft , 5 and 6 for 1 is insanity

Harley Reid being available in a draft would change that, but in this draft, no chance
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on August 04, 2024, 07:18:51 PM
People aren’t trading for pick 1 for points they’re trading for it so they can their pick of the bunch. Not saying someone would offer 5 and 6, but points don’t really factor into it.

Gives an indication of what the picks are worth

And with an even draft , 5 and 6 for 1 is insanity

Harley Reid being available in a draft would change that, but in this draft, no chance

Correct. But trading early picks is about clubs getting the players they want.

Can’t remember the exact makeup of the trade but it happened a couple of seasons ago where north traded pick 1 to GWS because giants were desperate for Cadman.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Francois Jackson on August 04, 2024, 07:31:23 PM
People aren’t trading for pick 1 for points they’re trading for it so they can their pick of the bunch. Not saying someone would offer 5 and 6, but points don’t really factor into it.

Gives an indication of what the picks are worth

And with an even draft , 5 and 6 for 1 is insanity

Harley Reid being available in a draft would change that, but in this draft, no chance

Correct. But trading early picks is about clubs getting the players they want.

Can’t remember the exact makeup of the trade but it happened a couple of seasons ago where north traded pick 1 to GWS because giants were desperate for Cadman.

yep 100%, BTW they got their guy in Wardlow who is going to be a genuine star of the comp. Cadman may also.

i think clubs talk and it would be nice if Dimma gave us some goodwill after beiding us over with hopper.

Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: the claw on August 04, 2024, 08:15:11 PM
People aren’t trading for pick 1 for points they’re trading for it so they can their pick of the bunch. Not saying someone would offer 5 and 6, but points don’t really factor into it.

Gives an indication of what the picks are worth

And with an even draft , 5 and 6 for 1 is insanity

Harley Reid being available in a draft would change that, but in this draft, no chance

Look im a schmuckk when it comes to the kids but i can think of one who looks to be a player who can carry a team on his back.
Josh Smillie for me even coming off an average carnival.

So they are all even which is a nonsense we get told poo by the media and we continually swallow it.

There Is always standouts.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on August 04, 2024, 10:50:43 PM
Smillie's a boom or bust type you'd take in the second round or maybe late in the first.....Draper & Smith will be the best straight away...O'Sullivan & Lalor will be the best in the long run.. :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on August 05, 2024, 09:04:44 PM
Can anyone guarantee pick 1 will be better than pick 20 , I can’t , if your relying on our recruitment team to get it half  right, didn’t pick Van Royan or Bazza even though we desperately needed them, obsessed with back flankers

this.

how many pick ones are better than pick 2 or 3's and so on

more often than not they arent the best player. I think there are pro's and con's either way in that your later selections are brought forward by 1 as well.
So if you traded pick 1, what could you realistically expect back?? Eg pick one for pick 5 and 6??

Considering pick one is worth 3000
Pick 5 and 6 are worth 3629

So no , you wouldn’t get 5 and 6 for pick one

Reckon pick 1 comes at a premium of 20-25% in points so perhaps 5 and 7 or 8?
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on August 05, 2024, 09:35:45 PM
Smillie's a boom or bust type you'd take in the second round or maybe late in the first.....Draper & Smith will be the best straight away...O'Sullivan & Lalor will be the best in the long run.. :shh

I can't see Smillie going past pick 10. Would be genuinely laughable if he does. Had a crap carnival but been the cream of the crop his entire junior journey. He's lost the right to be pick 1 but I still think he goes top 5. Always fascinating what clubs think post draft combine but I expect he will test extremely well.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: the claw on August 05, 2024, 09:40:31 PM
Smillie's a boom or bust type you'd take in the second round or maybe late in the first.....Draper & Smith will be the best straight away...O'Sullivan & Lalor will be the best in the long run.. :shh

Smillie imo Will go top 5. Lalor is the other one i have liked from a long way out.
Not buying into the Smith Hype. Dont think his footskills are good enough to take him at #1 based on the little i have seen of him.
Again just a glimpse here and there has me ask the questions.

Like i said im a schmuck in recent drafts with only snippetts here or there but Smillie has shown bits and pieces that makes you drool at what he may become..

Hope your right in a way and we take whoever first pick and Smillie gets to us with our second. Not really fussed either way just as long as we don't waste whatever picks we end up with.

Used to be right into going to games and watching these sort of kids but i just can't be arsed most of the time anymore not for a few years anyway..
Have had a good track record though with west aussie kids when i have got off my arse and gone and watched.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on August 05, 2024, 10:13:07 PM
Smillie is top 5. Probably too 3 still.

I reckon we'll consider him.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on August 05, 2024, 10:27:48 PM
Smillie will almost certainly go top 10 and probably top 5 ....but to me he's getting away with a lot due to his size, which he won't at AFL level and didn't as much in the champs against the best kids- fumbly & poor below his knees, goes to ground way too easily, not a good mark, poor defensively, not a great tank/one way runner,  good burst speed but not that quick overall.....can find it though so at least shouldn't be another RCD in that regard, though having said that doesn't always attack the footy as hard as he should....:shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on August 06, 2024, 11:43:05 AM
Something interesting brewing will be our cap space, especially if we master a trade deal for Bolton and now with Dusty retirement. There is a real scenario that Lynch joins Dusty in retirement this year if not certainly next year at 33. So we could effe tibely have 3-4mil cap space created with these 3 all finishing at RFC within a 12 month period or even at same time.

It becomes a bit of a mess because you may over pay for some and your list management becomes uneven. Be interesting to see how we approach it and if anything this may weigh on Bolton being kept rather than traded.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Simonator on August 06, 2024, 11:57:04 AM
Something interesting brewing will be our cap space, especially if we master a trade deal for Bolton and now with Dusty retirement. There is a real scenario that Lynch joins Dusty in retirement this year if not certainly next year at 33. So we could effe tibely have 3-4mil cap space created with these 3 all finishing at RFC within a 12 month period or even at same time.

It becomes a bit of a mess because you may over pay for some and your list management becomes uneven. Be interesting to see how we approach it and if anything this may weigh on Bolton being kept rather than traded.


Agreed we will have a lot of space. Expect to pay some of Bolton and riolis salary if they leave.
Will result in a lot of people being over paid as I believe you have to pay 90% of your salary? Also a lot of 1-2 year deals I suspect. Will be big players in the upcoming free agencies though you would think.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on August 06, 2024, 12:09:12 PM
If we pay D Rioli and Bolton's wages we can keep our TPP at the required level AND demand excellent compensation from other clubs.

Then we can pursue either FA targets during compromised drafts or front load contracts for blokes we want to get off the books later/draftees we want to secure for longer.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on August 06, 2024, 05:01:43 PM
Out: Dusty

In: Harley

 :gotigers
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on August 06, 2024, 09:04:45 PM
Something interesting brewing will be our cap space, especially if we master a trade deal for Bolton and now with Dusty retirement. There is a real scenario that Lynch joins Dusty in retirement this year if not certainly next year at 33. So we could effe tibely have 3-4mil cap space created with these 3 all finishing at RFC within a 12 month period or even at same time.

It becomes a bit of a mess because you may over pay for some and your list management becomes uneven. Be interesting to see how we approach it and if anything this may weigh on Bolton being kept rather than traded.


Agreed we will have a lot of space. Expect to pay some of Bolton and riolis salary if they leave.
Will result in a lot of people being over paid as I believe you have to pay 90% of your salary? Also a lot of 1-2 year deals I suspect. Will be big players in the upcoming free agencies though you would think.

Passing their salaries might actually help us not over paying some kids which has shown to work against you eg GC
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Willy on August 06, 2024, 09:07:18 PM
Norf into Broady… :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on August 06, 2024, 09:28:53 PM
That's good news. Don't see why he'd go there but if we could get something for him that'd be delightful
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Damo on August 06, 2024, 10:04:19 PM
That's good news. Don't see why he'd go there but if we could get something for him that'd be delightful

Couldn’t agree more
But they can’t be serious
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on August 06, 2024, 10:08:19 PM
Good leader is Broady.

I'm happy for him to either go 1 more year, retire, or get something from Norf for him.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: crackertiger on August 06, 2024, 10:08:25 PM
No no no want Broad to stay. We still must maintain a decent level of AFL standard players.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Wazza on August 07, 2024, 09:35:19 AM
I know we are all about the youth and pick 1 etc at the moment, but would there be any other players from other clubs that would be gettable that anyone thinks would be worth trading in?
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on August 07, 2024, 11:11:11 AM
I know we are all about the youth and pick 1 etc at the moment, but would there be any other players from other clubs that would be gettable that anyone thinks would be worth trading in?

Harley Reid?

Money talks. 10 year deal, $15?

Offer Bolton + Baker + P1 to start.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on August 07, 2024, 11:43:26 AM
I know we are all about the youth and pick 1 etc at the moment, but would there be any other players from other clubs that would be gettable that anyone thinks would be worth trading in?

Harley Reid?

Money talks. 10 year deal, $15?

Offer Bolton + Baker + P1 to start.

Wouldn’t offer baker and bolton. One or the other. I’m not a fan of the messiah approach to list management.
Chris Judd, Gaz Jnr and Buddy weren’t able to deliver the flag to their clubs but the clubs each of them left were able to win flags by using their trades and salary cap space to backfill really effectively
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Simonator on August 07, 2024, 12:18:31 PM
Yeah that’s just ridiculous for 1 player.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on August 07, 2024, 01:12:50 PM
Reid is the next Dusty and worth every bit of that ....whoever the best player this draft will be, they'll still be a level or two below him......we'd still have enough capitol for at least two first rounders and three or four in the top 30.... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Siberian on August 07, 2024, 03:58:04 PM
That's what everyone was saying about Rowell, wouldn't do that deal for him now
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on August 07, 2024, 04:14:39 PM
Yeah that’s just ridiculous for 1 player.

He's the most standout P1 I've seen in years.

Has shown buckets of ability and toughness. Real leadership.

I'd consider it.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on August 07, 2024, 04:50:56 PM
That's what everyone was saying about Rowell, wouldn't do that deal for him now


Rowell's had injuries but is a gun & will be a star...on the par with Walsh for #1 picks......Reid is a once in a generation freak and a clear level above both of them....been the clear #1 pick since he was 15..... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Damo on August 07, 2024, 05:39:48 PM
That's what everyone was saying about Rowell, wouldn't do that deal for him now


Rowell's had injuries but is a gun & will be a star...on the par with Walsh for #1 picks......Reid is a once in a generation freak and a clear level above both of them....been the clear #1 pick since he was 15..... :shh

Reid is a freak

Bolton , Baker and P1 for Reid?

Where do we sign
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on August 07, 2024, 05:51:29 PM
Reid is the next Dusty and worth every bit of that ....whoever the best player this draft will be, they'll still be a level or two below him......we'd still have enough capitol for at least two first rounders and three or four in the top 30.... :shh

Your obsession about Reid is duly noted.

But you might need to let it go for a couple of years. WC aren't going to trade him and IMHO he will sign an extension before the start of season 2025
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Damo on August 07, 2024, 06:01:43 PM
Reid is the next Dusty and worth every bit of that ....whoever the best player this draft will be, they'll still be a level or two below him......we'd still have enough capitol for at least two first rounders and three or four in the top 30.... :shh

I’ll correct one part of this

There will never be a next Carey
Never be a next Dusty
Never a next Gary Ablett

Etc etc

In the future , Reid will be in the elite company where people will be saying about the next wave of young players “this kid is the next Reid”.

He will make his own name

Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on August 07, 2024, 06:47:02 PM
Reid is the next Dusty and worth every bit of that ....whoever the best player this draft will be, they'll still be a level or two below him......we'd still have enough capitol for at least two first rounders and three or four in the top 30.... :shh

I’ll correct one part of this

There will never be a next Carey
Never be a next Dusty
Never a next Gary Ablett

Etc etc

In the future , Reid will be in the elite company where people will be saying about the next wave of young players “this kid is the next Reid”.

He will make his own name

I meant in terms of impact....not that he's a clone, though he does have many of the same traits... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on August 08, 2024, 01:18:48 AM
TIGERS CAN LAND SIX TOP 20 PICKS

Richmond could be set to take a bumper draft haul into this year’s national draft as a mass exodus looms.

Four established Tigers stars have been linked to moves away from Punt Road but that might not necessarily a bad thing.

“They could have as many as six first round draft picks,” Clark said.

“When you take out the expansion clubs in GWS and Gold Coast, this is almost an unprecedented draft haul and the decisions that list boss Blair Hartley is going to make on this will really shape this rebuild.”

Clark proposed the following deals:

* Liam Baker to Fremantle for pick 13

* Jack Graham to West Coast, triggering pick 20 compensation

* Daniel Rioli to Gold Coast for pick 6

* Shai Bolton to Fremantle for picks 8 and 16

“They would be striking while the iron is hot, knowing Tasmania is coming into the competition in a couple of years, potentially Richmond can get this rebuild done and get that next core in,” he said.

If the Tigers were to “press the go button” on the above deals, they’d take a bounty of picks into the draft.

The Tigers would hold picks 1, 6, 8, 13, 19, 20, 31 in addition to three third round selections and three fourth round selections, that they could potentially package and trade to Carlton or Brisbane (who need points for father-son recruits).

“I’d do it in a heartbeat, you mentioned the key word, Tasmania, that’s the absolute key at the moment. We’re in a situation now that everything is going to change in a few years time,” Herald Sun journalist Glenn McFarlane replied.

“You’re not sure whether these players down the track are going to be worth the same in 12 months’ time.

It would no doubt be an “uncomfortable conversation” for head coach Adem Yze and his recruitment and list management staff, but it might be the best way for the Tigers to move forwar.d

Both Geelong and Hawthorn used similar tactics to set up their golden eras in recent years.

In 2001, the Cats secured Jimmy Bartel, James Kelly, Steve Johnson and Gary Ablett Jnr, while Hawthorn took Jarryd Roughead, Lance Franklin and Jordan Lewis in 2004.

“You’ve got to bear the brunt and get on with the rebuild as quickly as you can,” McFarlane said.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/roos-eye-raids-for-veterans-amid-2025-finals-plan-tigers-can-land-six-top20-picks-trade-whispers/news-story/e3920e188df06d700fc8dad18308a95b
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on August 08, 2024, 07:12:58 PM
Ben Hobbs has interest from Richmond. Could be a deal Richmond try and complete in next years off season if his game time situation doesn’t improve.

Richmond had significant Ben Hobbs interest in his draft year.

https://x.com/CameronHicks__/status/1821149436212355188
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on August 08, 2024, 07:41:16 PM
Twomey named six Victorian clubs that he thinks will come with big offers for the Lion and he doesn’t expect Rayner to re-sign at Brisbane soon given how much he could earn if his form continues to improve.

“I expect Essendon, Geelong, Richmond, St Kilda, the Western Bulldogs, Collingwood and probably even more to be all over him next year,” Twomey said.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/08/07/star-lion-set-to-receive-huge-offers-from-victorian-clubs-at-end-of-2025/
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on August 08, 2024, 07:48:33 PM
Ben Hobbs has interest from Richmond. Could be a deal Richmond try and complete in next years off season if his game time situation doesn’t improve.

Richmond had significant Ben Hobbs interest in his draft year.

https://x.com/CameronHicks__/status/1821149436212355188

 :chuck :chuck :chuck
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on August 08, 2024, 08:16:21 PM
Twomey named six Victorian clubs that he thinks will come with big offers for the Lion and he doesn’t expect Rayner to re-sign at Brisbane soon given how much he could earn if his form continues to improve.

“I expect Essendon, Geelong, Richmond, St Kilda, the Western Bulldogs, Collingwood and probably even more to be all over him next year,” Twomey said.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/08/07/star-lion-set-to-receive-huge-offers-from-victorian-clubs-at-end-of-2025/

Rayner lmao.

F to the no.

One of the biggest P1 flops in recent memory.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on August 08, 2024, 08:31:53 PM
Ben Hobbs has interest from Richmond. Could be a deal Richmond try and complete in next years off season if his game time situation doesn’t improve.

Richmond had significant Ben Hobbs interest in his draft year.

https://x.com/CameronHicks__/status/1821149436212355188

 :chuck :chuck :chuck

 :lol

I sure raised this the other week :rollin
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Francois Jackson on August 08, 2024, 08:32:15 PM
Yep agree Andy.

Imagine him in our team now. Would be whooping boy number 1.

Hobbs ain't much better.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on August 08, 2024, 10:14:07 PM
Rayner is a fat Temu Dusty.... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on August 08, 2024, 10:42:45 PM
 No to Raynor. Hobbs, maybe but would depend on compo as it appears he’s no more than a mild upgrade on Jack Ross.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on August 08, 2024, 10:47:48 PM
No to Raynor. Hobbs, maybe but would depend on compo as it appears he’s no more than a mild upgrade on Jack Ross.

He ain't even that - he's a downgrade on Hopper.... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: camboon on August 09, 2024, 10:25:03 AM
Only take free agents ,knowing they are are taking a spot and are there to mentor , bite the bullet and build literally from the bottom and when in a position to challenge go after the big ones , there are exceptions but that’s my thinking
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Simonator on August 09, 2024, 11:55:03 AM
Broad signed on. Good signing imo. We’re gonna see a lot of experience go out the door, need to hang on to a few senior players.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Knighter on August 09, 2024, 12:10:29 PM
Broad signed on. Good signing imo. We’re gonna see a lot of experience go out the door, need to hang on to a few senior players.

Another spud signed up.  Blair is potato farming at the moment.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on August 09, 2024, 02:11:17 PM
Probably just warding off other clubs, keeping some leadership on the list.

I'm happy about it.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Simonator on August 09, 2024, 02:45:46 PM
Broad signed on. Good signing imo. We’re gonna see a lot of experience go out the door, need to hang on to a few senior players.

Another spud signed up.  Blair is potato farming at the moment.

Who thinks broad is a spud ? You must be alone on that one
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on August 09, 2024, 02:46:46 PM
Yeah, I didn't see the need for signing him for an extra year beyond his current deal but he's not a spud. Has been a good player over time.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on August 09, 2024, 02:51:16 PM
Ageing but not a spud.

Doubt he'd be on more than 300-400k.

I reckon he probably has a deal for 25 and they just said let's add 1 more year for 200-300k and spread it out.

Will take him to retirement and he's a good bloke for the club.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Chuck17 on August 09, 2024, 03:31:53 PM
Stuff me some people are harsh, broad has been a more than serviceable player over the years.

Considering he was a 67 pick if you re did the 2015 draft he would be top 30 probably pushing into the top 20.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: camboon on August 09, 2024, 04:38:36 PM
Well said Chuck, this time of year is summarised  by let  sell your best players for picks that might get a dud and recruit players who can’t get a game using your best picks, imagine how good we would be if our club made all their decisions based on posts on this site , we would be relegated from the AFL  :banghead 🤮😭😳
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: eliminator on August 09, 2024, 08:06:15 PM
Showed loyalty to the Club. Stayed when the club is in dark times. Good on him.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Simonator on August 09, 2024, 09:45:54 PM
Showed loyalty to the Club. Stayed when the club is in dark times. Good on him.

Agreed. We need that sort of character around. I’m all for the rebuild
But we simply must keep some experience. Broad will be excellent for the young defenders
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on August 09, 2024, 10:34:36 PM
He's also given us 5 premiership medals.

Never forget.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Damo on August 09, 2024, 10:54:08 PM
He's also given us 5 premiership medals.

Never forget.

Anyone thinking he wasn’t our best performer in the 2017 grand final just doesn’t understand the “bigger picture”
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on August 10, 2024, 10:06:59 AM
He's also given us 5 premiership medals.

Never forget.



Anyone thinking he wasn’t our best performer in the 2017 grand final just doesn’t understand the “bigger picture”

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on August 12, 2024, 11:08:37 AM
What a time to be alive. The streets will never forget Broadys efforts.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on August 12, 2024, 11:12:37 AM
Freo losing to cats was enormous. Freo a huge chance to miss the 8 now and finish 9th or 10th. Meaning they will have picks 9, 10 and where ever Port finish say they lose an away prelim pick 15/16.

Id take picks 9 and 10 for Bolton. Could play hardball with them but I'd do the trade. Rioli id be more inclined to keep and Baker if we can get a mid first round depending on contract we have done well.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Francois Jackson on August 14, 2024, 04:17:57 PM
In the 2022 trade period, Hawthorn moved veteran midfielder Jaeger O’Meara to Fremantle in exchange for a future-second round pick and ruckman Lloyd Meek.

They then packaged that future-second round pick along with a future-third and pick 27 in order to trade up on draft night and select Josh Weddle.

This is an example of great trading. I put hopper in the same category as Omeara, albeit a worse player.

What would a club give up for hopper? We don't need him so why keep him.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on August 14, 2024, 05:54:44 PM
According to Twomey we've made Slowham an offer to stay and it's 50/50.....:facepalm :help
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Simonator on August 14, 2024, 06:10:44 PM
In the 2022 trade period, Hawthorn moved veteran midfielder Jaeger O’Meara to Fremantle in exchange for a future-second round pick and ruckman Lloyd Meek.

They then packaged that future-second round pick along with a future-third and pick 27 in order to trade up on draft night and select Josh Weddle.

This is an example of great trading. I put hopper in the same category as Omeara, albeit a worse player.

What would a club give up for hopper? We don't need him so why keep him.

Absolutely right. In fact I would say Taranto and hopper are our Mitchell and omeara.

We could keep them and our midfield stats would look okay but our mids won’t have the room to develop and we will have a 1 dimensional midfield.

Trade both Taranto and hopper and allow our new recruits ( which will hopdfully come this off season) to flourish and develop.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on August 14, 2024, 08:16:39 PM
What does that say to future recruits who we try to lure over knowing that we’ve pushed guys out 2 years into a long term contract?

God I hate this fawning over hawthorn. Remind me in 12months time and we’ll see if they have progressed or as I suspect actually trend down (unless they have a ripper trade/FA period).
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Francois Jackson on August 14, 2024, 08:37:00 PM
What does that say to future recruits who we try to lure over knowing that we’ve pushed guys out 2 years into a long term contract?

God I hate this fawning over hawthorn. Remind me in 12months time and we’ll see if they have progressed or as I suspect actually trend down (unless they have a ripper trade/FA period).

didnt do anything to the pies when treloar left when the pies let him go in 2020, gone, 2023 flag

grundy to the dees in 2022, pies flag 2023

players want flags and cash. If you have a strong team capable of winning flags they arent concerned about much else.

Facts are hopper is not going to be there for our next flag, and he isnt much chop most weeks. I would trade him in a heart beat, before a heart and soul player like Rioli.

we may have to pay some of his wage and instead of pick 7, we keep rioli and receive pick 20-25. I would do that deal straight away.





Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on August 14, 2024, 08:40:21 PM
I was moreso talking about the effects of luring high profile players in the future. I don’t think Collingwood have gotten any since they booted those and other players out the door. Maybe being a big4 vic club can outweigh that, however, I’m not certain it won’t atleast cause players to think twice if a precedent like that is set.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Francois Jackson on August 14, 2024, 08:44:12 PM
I was moreso talking about the effects of luring high profile players in the future. I don’t think Collingwood have gotten any since they booted those and other players out the door. Maybe being a big4 vic club can outweigh that, however, I’m not certain it won’t atleast cause players to think twice if a precedent like that is set.

They didnt need to, they just won a flag. Schulz who i dont rate was as high profile as you get for them last year. That pick they gave up may end up being pick 7-10.

Like i aid players want success.

Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on August 14, 2024, 09:44:44 PM
I think we’re talking about 2 different things here.

Yes, getting rid of those players resulted in short term success. They won a flag, you can’t argue that.

I’m talking about how it may impact their ability to get high profile recruits in the future after they’ve seen how they treated a couple of big names.

I suspect for big clubs it won’t matter as it will just end up being forgotten about but defs food for thought.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on August 14, 2024, 09:48:30 PM
I know most on here don't rate him..but anyways

RIVAL CLUBS ‘LOOKING AT’ OUT-OF-FAVOUR BOMBER

Forgotten Essendon midfielder Ben Hobbs, who has played just 10 senior games this season after 18 last year, is being ‘looked at’ by rival clubs ahead of the off-season.

The Bombers selected Hobbs — who is contracted for one more season — with the No. 13 pick in 2021, but he could be out the Hangar door just two years later, per Herald Sun journalist Jay Clark.

“Ben Hobbs’ future is really interesting,” began Clark on Fox Footy’s Midweek Tackle on Wednesday evening.

“The midfield squeeze is on at the Bombers ... they’ve got Zach Merrett, Darcy Parish, Jye Caldwell — who signed for four years today — has been on a rocket; he’s become an A-grader.

“Sam Durham will finish in the top-three (of Essendon’s) best-and-fairest. Plus, outside of that, they’ve got Dylan Shiel, Will Setterfield — who had 43 touches in the VFL a week ago — Elijah Tsatas can’t get a game, and Hobbs, who played 18 games last year averaging 20 touches (but) can’t get a game (this year).

“He’s played 10 games this year, averaging 13 possessions — he’s on a massive slide. He is a ready-made midfielder that rival clubs are looking at, at the moment.”

In terms of which clubs that could come calling in October, Clark floated a couple of options.

“I think you’d have to have a look at Collingwood, who I think really need to bolster their midfield,” Clark said.

“Someone to take the physical load off Nick Daicos, Scott Pendlebury’s got a year left, Steele Sidebottom maybe (has) one year, (and) what’s Tom Mitchell’s future? So, I think the Pies need to bolster their midfield.


Richmond, if they lose (Jack) Graham, (Shai) Bolton, (Daniel) Rioli and (Liam) Baker, do they need some density? Do they need a bigger body like Ben Hobbs?

“He’s only 20 years old, so we still consider him young. He’s had some exposure at the top level, (and he’s) contracted for one more year.”

Clark added that little-used ruckman Nick Bryan will attract rival overtures this off-season.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-2024-ben-hobbs-eyed-by-rivals-nick-bryan-jack-graham-update-essendon-bombers-richmond-tigers-midweek-tackle-comments-latest-news/news-story/ddb20261cb3ab93a8f7d5586e8becc19
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on August 14, 2024, 11:02:23 PM
Bigger body?

He's listed as 183/79 ffs.

His 10 games this year look extremely underwhelming.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on August 14, 2024, 11:21:52 PM
Fitting surname - because if we got him the the tigers would be stuffed.... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Francois Jackson on August 15, 2024, 12:01:37 AM
i wouldnt be suprised if some players leave because of that rubbish that has been dished up by magic. If i were lynch, gibcus i would be asking the question of the clubs direction.

Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on August 15, 2024, 07:00:04 AM
i wouldnt be suprised if some players leave because of that rubbish that has been dished up by magic. If i were lynch, gibcus i would be asking the question of the clubs direction.



Not if we ditch Luke first
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on August 15, 2024, 07:14:15 AM
The reality is we are going to have to take a punt on young, unproven talent over the next few years - both in the draft but also through the trade weeks.
Whether it’s Hobbs or other younger players who are looking for opportunities, we should be taking the punt if we don’t give up top 20 or 30 draft collateral.

I am all for getting top 10 or 20 picks for our flankers or spare part mids - Baker and Rioli our flashy half forward/mids - Bolton and any free comp for Graham in the 20’s is a bargin.

On the flip, I don’t just want to delist all the mature bodies in one fell swoop. The next 3 years is about draft talent with mature bodies nurturing kids into making the adjustment to senior footy. I am hoping we can fluke a couple of low profile trade talent - that we might not rate now but give us a pleasant surprise in a new environment at tigerland.

From season 2028, those mature bodies will need to be replaced with smart trading and free agency. Collingwood, Carlton even Port have done this well.

We will have no currency in this part if the player market if we sit on the bottom if the ladder like Norf which is where those mature bodies will play a role - whether we like those players or not.

Broad, Flossy, Lynch, Balta, Hopper, Taranto, Nank possibly Meatie and Jack Ross are going to have to get us through to 2028 being at least competitive by season 2027 to attract that free agency and trade talent from other clubs.

Season 2024 - 2026 is probably going to be bottom 3 finishes with hopefully 2027 being a year where we have an 8-10 win year playing football like the Hawks were starting to put together last year.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on August 15, 2024, 08:14:41 AM
The reality is we are going to have to take a punt on young, unproven talent over the next few years - both in the draft but also through the trade weeks.
Whether it’s Hobbs or other younger players who are looking for opportunities, we should be taking the punt if we don’t give up top 20 or 30 draft collateral.

I am all for getting top 10 or 20 picks for our flankers or spare part mids - Baker and Rioli our flashy half forward/mids - Bolton and any free comp for Graham in the 20’s is a bargin.

On the flip, I don’t just want to delist all the mature bodies in one fell swoop. The next 3 years is about draft talent with mature bodies nurturing kids into making the adjustment to senior footy. I am hoping we can fluke a couple of low profile trade talent - that we might not rate now but give us a pleasant surprise in a new environment at tigerland.

From season 2028, those mature bodies will need to be replaced with smart trading and free agency. Collingwood, Carlton even Port have done this well.

We will have no currency in this part if the player market if we sit on the bottom if the ladder like Norf which is where those mature bodies will play a role - whether we like those players or not.

Broad, Flossy, Lynch, Balta, Hopper, Taranto, Nank possibly Meatie and Jack Ross are going to have to get us through to 2028 being at least competitive by season 2027 to attract that free agency and trade talent from other clubs.

Season 2024 - 2026 is probably going to be bottom 3 finishes with hopefully 2027 being a year where we have an 8-10 win year playing football like the Hawks were starting to put together last year.

To reiterate my point I'm going to insist we keep Rioli unless the offer is too silly to refuse. I'd be asking for Jed Walter in a trade - stuff them.

Broad has two years contracted. Floss going well. Balta, Hopper, Taranto and even Nank have years left. But Meatball and Lynch are virtually done - they might play games in 2025 but I'd be surprised if we get more than 30 out of them together and even then I'd consider that a bit of a win.

Then we have guys like Grimes (surely retiring), Pickett (maybe 1 year for F/S + mature body) and KMac (see Pickett).

We can afford to cut some dead weight without going too light on maturity.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: eliminator on August 15, 2024, 08:36:25 AM
i wouldnt be suprised if some players leave because of that rubbish that has been dished up by magic. If i were lynch, gibcus i would be asking the question of the clubs direction.

Fair point. It not only effects a player's decision whether to stay or not but a player's decision whether to come to the club(request to be traded to the club).
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on August 15, 2024, 12:05:24 PM
I agree Andyyy but for 2 points:-
Rioli and Bolton should be worth 2 x first rounders. This draft has plenty of flexibility with inside and outside mids. Reckon key forwards is best done in free agency.
Reckon Lynch can go another 3 years. Barely played these past 2 years and a decent preseason program which he has not been able to do for a few years (hopefully with someone new) gives me some optimism he can play on beyond next year.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on August 15, 2024, 01:26:30 PM
I agree Andyyy but for 2 points:-
Rioli and Bolton should be worth 2 x first rounders. This draft has plenty of flexibility with inside and outside mids. Reckon key forwards is best done in free agency.
Reckon Lynch can go another 3 years. Barely played these past 2 years and a decent preseason program which he has not been able to do for a few years (hopefully with someone new) gives me some optimism he can play on beyond next year.

Agreed that Bolton & Rioli are worth 2 firsts each.

I wouldn't dare trade Rioli to GCS straight for Jed Walter, but I'd be interested in including him in the deal.

Bolton straight up should just yield us some good picks unless Freo wants to trade either Amiss or Treacy (which I'm sure they won't).

Agree to disagree on Lynch. Heartbreaking, but unfortunately I cannot ever see him playing 20ish games/year again. I think 2025 will be another injury-interrupted season and probably his last, unless we shake off Meehan and someone turns Lynch into a younger man. Personally I think he'd do a LOT better if he shed some weight...
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on August 15, 2024, 05:24:51 PM
MRJ just re-signed to 2026...make of that what you will..... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on August 15, 2024, 06:37:03 PM
MRJ just re-signed to 2026...make of that what you will..... :shh

He's helping us bend over GCS?

Haha in all honesty hopefully that's a good indication they are both staying.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on August 16, 2024, 07:41:23 PM
I can’t remember which north player people here were linking us with but if it was Bailey Scott he just re-signed for 3 years.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: OneEyedRichmond on August 16, 2024, 07:55:13 PM
I can’t remember which north player people here were linking us with but if it was Bailey Scott he just re-signed for 3 years.

Will Phillips
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on August 17, 2024, 02:14:03 PM
If Lukosius is interested in leaving GCS I'd be including him in a deal if D Rioli decides to go.

Also keen on Petracca but probably doesn't suit our rebuild phase.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Francois Jackson on August 17, 2024, 03:25:46 PM
2019 draft freo select

Young pick 7
Serong pick 8
Henry pick 9

Just goes to show we have to nail this draft. Quite a few bad calls in every draft.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: yandb on August 17, 2024, 03:36:09 PM
No retreads from other teams hit the draft.

Cheaper on the TPP
Bigger upside
We can target the exact players we need
Not having to unlearn bad culture

Jeb Walters might be an exception
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: wayne on August 17, 2024, 04:41:38 PM
If Lukosius is interested in leaving GCS I'd be including him in a deal if D Rioli decides to go.

Also keen on Petracca but probably doesn't suit our rebuild phase.

Lukosious as a replacement whipping boy for Graham?
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on August 17, 2024, 05:15:23 PM
If Lukosius is interested in leaving GCS I'd be including him in a deal if D Rioli decides to go.

Also keen on Petracca but probably doesn't suit our rebuild phase.

Lukosious as a replacement whipping boy for Graham?

Superfragiletigerlistunlesswegetlukosious?
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on August 17, 2024, 08:28:46 PM
If Lukosius is interested in leaving GCS I'd be including him in a deal if D Rioli decides to go.

Also keen on Petracca but probably doesn't suit our rebuild phase.

Lukosious as a replacement whipping boy for Graham?

Superfragiletigerlistunlesswegetlukosious?

Nicely done haha.

He's be a useful forward option given our stocks imo
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on August 17, 2024, 09:27:49 PM
If Lukosius is interested in leaving GCS I'd be including him in a deal if D Rioli decides to go.

Also keen on Petracca but probably doesn't suit our rebuild phase.

Lukosious as a replacement whipping boy for Graham?

Superfragiletigerlistunlesswegetlukosious?

Nicely done haha.

He's be a useful forward option given our stocks imo

Pass. Don’t rate him and not the type of forward we need imo. given we mostly bomb it inside 50 and probably will keep doing while we are cellar dwellers, we need someone take can take contested grabs and that ain’t jack.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on August 25, 2024, 08:50:55 PM
Shockers better bloody pay up for Bolton - he'd be their cleanest player.... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Francois Jackson on August 25, 2024, 09:17:20 PM
Shockers better bloody pay up for Bolton - he'd be their cleanest player.... :shh

looks like their first may be pick 10 or 11. Is that right dio? Thats not enough.

that dud schulz was around that. Id aim for eagles first pick
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on August 25, 2024, 09:20:40 PM
Shockers better bloody pay up for Bolton - he'd be their cleanest player.... :shh

looks like their first may be pick 10 or 11. Is that right dio? Thats not enough.

that dud schulz was around that. Id aim for eagles first pick

if boltons set on leaving take them both and trade up for a top5 pick.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on August 25, 2024, 09:22:29 PM
Shockers better bloody pay up for Bolton - he'd be their cleanest player.... :shh

looks like their first may be pick 10 or 11. Is that right dio? Thats not enough.

that dud schulz was around that. Id aim for eagles first pick

9 + 10 + 17.

I'd be asking for all 3 for Bolton + Baker.

Or make it interesting, look at Amiss and Treacy.

Coke heads have 3 + 23 which I'd also consider for Bolton but that's not enough for Baker to be thrown in IMO.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on August 25, 2024, 09:24:46 PM
What’s the suns next pick after #6?
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Francois Jackson on August 25, 2024, 09:34:44 PM
Shockers better bloody pay up for Bolton - he'd be their cleanest player.... :shh

looks like their first may be pick 10 or 11. Is that right dio? Thats not enough.

that dud schulz was around that. Id aim for eagles first pick

9 + 10 + 17.

I'd be asking for all 3 for Bolton + Baker.

Or make it interesting, look at Amiss and Treacy.

Coke heads have 3 + 23 which I'd also consider for Bolton but that's not enough for Baker to be thrown in IMO.

so really thats 11, then 14 and 20 after Ashcroft, Lombard and Battle or is that included those 3?

if its starting at 11 we cant surely deal on that can we?

also dio eagles have that Barrass pick
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on August 25, 2024, 10:09:56 PM
What’s the suns next pick after #6?

Pick 13, then 20
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on August 25, 2024, 10:19:06 PM
What’s the suns next pick after #6?

Pick 13, then 20

Can defs get a deal done for Dan if he really wants out if they have 6, 13 & 20 at their disposal.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on August 25, 2024, 10:23:02 PM
Shockers better bloody pay up for Bolton - he'd be their cleanest player.... :shh

looks like their first may be pick 10 or 11. Is that right dio? Thats not enough.

that dud schulz was around that. Id aim for eagles first pick

9 + 10 + 17.

I'd be asking for all 3 for Bolton + Baker.

Or make it interesting, look at Amiss and Treacy.

Coke heads have 3 + 23 which I'd also consider for Bolton but that's not enough for Baker to be thrown in IMO.

so really thats 11, then 14 and 20 after Ashcroft, Lombard and Battle or is that included those 3?

if its starting at 11 we cant surely deal on that can we?

also dio eagles have that Barrass pick

No, you're right, they'll drop down the order a few spots.

Our goal should be to bundle them for higher picks. Try to end up with 3 in the top 10 if possible given we have loads of lower picks to trade also (thanks Freo).
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on August 25, 2024, 10:27:20 PM
1st Round picks and points

PICK   CLUB        POINTS   
1      RICH        3000   
2      NMFC         2517   
3      WCE       2234   
4      ADEL         2034   
5      MELB       1878   
6      GC           1751   
7      STK            1644   
8      ESS            1551   
9      FRE            1469   
10      FRE           1395
11      CARL        1329   
12      HA            1268   
13      GC           1212   
14      BL              1161   
15      GWS           1112   
16      GEEL       1067   
17      FRE           1025
18      SYD             985   
19      SYD           948   
20      GC              912   

https://www.zerohanger.com/afl/afl-draft-order-2024/
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: yandb on August 25, 2024, 10:43:12 PM
This is not the year to bundle up as the depth of quality is deep so not much advantage in trading 2 for 1.

Collect the 1st rounders and use them for the rebuild not waste them on trying to get higher picks.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on August 25, 2024, 10:49:01 PM
Is there a list of known FS / Academy prospects and where they are likely to be drafted / bid on?

I think anyone worth taking a punt on, we should bid (eg Ashcroft) and tell other clubs to gagf.

If Freo will do 9 + 10 + 17 for Bolton + Baker I'd consider it. Not trading D Rioli personally. Short if we can. Graham whatever comp we get, good riddance.

Carlton has the Camporeale twins so we should be bundling our 3rd + later round picks (Graham Comp, 39, 41, 47, 57, 66) to them for P11.

GCS usually has academy rort players on offer too so I'd be looking at a way to trade their P6 to us > Freo's P17 + Carlton P11 should get it done with a +600 point surplus their way.

Draft with 1, 6, 9, 10, 29, 73 (punt on KPF, hoping for Larkey, Lewis, Treacy etc).

Just an idea.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on August 25, 2024, 11:14:05 PM
Is there a list of known FS / Academy prospects and where they are likely to be drafted / bid on?



Ashcroft , Lombard (GC Academy), Marshall (Bears Academy), Camporeale twins (Scum f/s).... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on August 25, 2024, 11:25:30 PM
Is there a list of known FS / Academy prospects and where they are likely to be drafted / bid on?



Ashcroft , Lombard (GC Academy), Marshall (Bears Academy), Camporeale twins (Scum f/s).... :shh

Are they all projected top10?
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Francois Jackson on August 25, 2024, 11:27:17 PM
Andy suns pick 6 will be on Lombard.

Ashcroft will be pick 1 or 2.

One of the campo boys is around 20, the other around 35.

No others in the top 10 though dio would know more.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on August 25, 2024, 11:39:50 PM
Andy suns pick 6 will be on Lombard.

Ashcroft will be pick 1 or 2.

One of the campo boys is around 20, the other around 35.

No others in the top 10 though dio would know more.


Surely we can trade GCS the trashy picks and they can use them on Lombard though.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on August 26, 2024, 12:42:00 AM
What should the Tigers demand in return if Shai Bolton and Daniel Rioli request trades?

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Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on August 26, 2024, 11:18:49 AM
What should the Tigers demand in return if Shai Bolton and Daniel Rioli request trades?

#9FootyFurnace | Nine & 9Now

https://x.com/FootyonNine/status/1827687636938432621

The world.

Keep D though.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: wayne on August 26, 2024, 08:59:44 PM
Garry Lyon is having a meltdown on On The Couch, over the Petracca news, then says Bolton is only worth one first rounder.

Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on August 26, 2024, 09:18:10 PM
Garry Lyon is having a meltdown on On The Couch, over the Petracca news, then says Bolton is only worth one first rounder.

Robbo said the same thing in this morning's HUN

Used what Geelong gave up for Jeremy Cameron as an example as to why Shai isn't worth 2 first rounders
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Knighter on August 26, 2024, 09:22:40 PM
Garry Lyon is having a meltdown on On The Couch, over the Petracca news, then says Bolton is only worth one first rounder.

Pricks like Lying are pooting themselves we are going to get 6 to 7 of the top 20 picks this year.  Guess what Gary you campaigner its happening so get stuffen over it.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: camboon on August 26, 2024, 10:19:36 PM
If they don’t pay the price , no deal , who cares what those  nuf nufs think
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: pmac21 on August 26, 2024, 10:39:30 PM
We hold all the cards, just keep them unless the deal is too good to pass up.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on August 26, 2024, 11:10:19 PM
We will get 2 first for Bolton, we will be paying large amount of his salary too. We will have to to reach minimum payments anyway now Dusty if off salary bill.

Freo will throw 2 firsts to get Bolton for 4 years at 500k.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on August 26, 2024, 11:45:00 PM
Any decent oppo players we can walk through to the PSD this year? Don't forget we have pick 1 in that as well..... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Damo on August 26, 2024, 11:59:33 PM
Any decent oppo players we can walk through to the PSD this year? Don't forget we have pick 1 in that as well..... :shh

The forgotten pick one

And it’s a nice bargaining chip
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on August 26, 2024, 11:59:54 PM
Garry Lyon is having a meltdown on On The Couch, over the Petracca news, then says Bolton is only worth one first rounder.

Robbo said the same thing in this morning's HUN

Used what Geelong gave up for Jeremy Cameron as an example as to why Shai isn't worth 2 first rounders

Tell them to rewatch the last qtr of Sunday nights game. Scores level or there abouts at 3 qtr time at home knowing a win gets you into the 8 and freo have no clue how to win the game. Garauntee with Bolton in the team they win that game and even moreso finish top4. Guys a jet and bonafide match winner. Not trading him for anything less than freos or west coasts top 2 picks
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on August 27, 2024, 12:55:07 AM
Robbo said the same thing in this morning's HUN

Used what Geelong gave up for Jeremy Cameron as an example as to why Shai isn't worth 2 first rounders
3. MUCH OF A MUCHNESS

Jake Stringer has kicked 42.25 from 23 games this year and Mick Malthouse believes the Bombers should flick him. Too inconsistent, Malthouse said. Shai Bolton has kicked 34.26 this year from 22 games and if he officially asks for a trade to Fremantle, Richmond will ask for two first-rounders. It’s out of whack for two players who play forward-mid. Bolton is a better player than Stringer, and certainly has a better highlight reel, but he also lacks consistency and impact. Two first-rounders for him are way overs and Fremantle point blank should baulk at that asking price. Bolton is no Jeremy Cameron. To get him, the Cats sent a first rounder, two future first round picks and a future fourth rounder to the Giants. Coming back, they got Cameron and two future second round selections. Bolton is 25 and contracted until the end of 2028, so Richmond apparently holds the cards. But do they really? Every man and his dog says the Tigers need to purge and rebuild, so granting Bolton’s wishes would be wise. But not sure the Dockers giving away the farm for Bolton is equally as wise. A first and second rounder should be the max offer – take it or leave it. If the Tigers baulk, no worries, keep him, and good luck with the rebuild. Bolton is simply not worth two first-rounders.

Source: HeraldSun
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on August 27, 2024, 01:05:25 AM
"Richmond's move is to say Tom Lynch is up for grabs and we're paying... what we want is a high pick."

Hutchy's proposal for how the Tigers should embrace a full reset this offseason.

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Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on August 27, 2024, 01:31:37 AM
"Richmond's move is to say Tom Lynch is up for grabs and we're paying... what we want is a high pick."

Hutchy's proposal for how the Tigers should embrace a full reset this offseason.

#9FootyClassified

https://x.com/FootyonNine/status/1828021456208629982

(http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/Trade/FootyClassified26082024.png)

Must be stalking our forums.

gree with all prices but I'd be keeping Rioli
, Broad
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on August 27, 2024, 01:32:43 AM
Robbo said the same thing in this morning's HUN

Used what Geelong gave up for Jeremy Cameron as an example as to why Shai isn't worth 2 first rounders
3. MUCH OF A MUCHNESS

Jake Stringer has kicked 42.25 from 23 games this year and Mick Malthouse believes the Bombers should flick him. Too inconsistent, Malthouse said. Shai Bolton has kicked 34.26 this year from 22 games and if he officially asks for a trade to Fremantle, Richmond will ask for two first-rounders. It’s out of whack for two players who play forward-mid. Bolton is a better player than Stringer, and certainly has a better highlight reel, but he also lacks consistency and impact. Two first-rounders for him are way overs and Fremantle point blank should baulk at that asking price. Bolton is no Jeremy Cameron. To get him, the Cats sent a first rounder, two future first round picks and a future fourth rounder to the Giants. Coming back, they got Cameron and two future second round selections. Bolton is 25 and contracted until the end of 2028, so Richmond apparently holds the cards. But do they really? Every man and his dog says the Tigers need to purge and rebuild, so granting Bolton’s wishes would be wise. But not sure the Dockers giving away the farm for Bolton is equally as wise. A first and second rounder should be the max offer – take it or leave it. If the Tigers baulk, no worries, keep him, and good luck with the rebuild. Bolton is simply not worth two first-rounders.

Source: HeraldSun

Please, Stringer is 5 years older and past his best. Bolton is entering his legitimate prime
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: wayne on August 27, 2024, 07:25:51 AM
It's coming from a Bomber supporter and a Dees supporter. I think they're pooting bricks that if we nail this and next years draft, we'll go straight past them again.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on August 27, 2024, 07:49:36 AM
Any decent oppo players we can walk through to the PSD this year? Don't forget we have pick 1 in that as well..... :shh

The forgotten pick one

And it’s a nice bargaining chip

Particularly if Liam Baker get’s obstinate
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: camboon on August 27, 2024, 07:57:00 AM
Why would you listen to this Billy Bunterwho goes through peoples rubbish cans in the middle of the night and is Skelton man’s mentor , another nuffy trying to be relevant in the football industry just making stuff up , hoping people are stupid enough to buy in on their speculation  :snidegrin :scream
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: OneEyedRichmond on August 27, 2024, 12:31:54 PM
I’m hearing Baker is staying

Pick 9 & Future 1st for Bolton 😉
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on August 27, 2024, 12:46:09 PM
I’m hearing Baker is staying

Pick 9 & Future 1st for Bolton 😉

Please tell me you haven't heard that from the bloke on X (formerly Twitter) who is spruiking that he knows so much but then covers himself by constantly saying "it may happen it may not"

***BTW I don't follow the bloke he's suddenly appeared in my feed as a number of my friends follow him
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: georgies31 on August 27, 2024, 01:41:25 PM
Will be crazy to keep Baker his replaceable. Him Graham for me both should go.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Knighter on August 27, 2024, 02:10:39 PM
I’m hearing Baker is staying

Pick 9 & Future 1st for Bolton 😉

Pick 9 and F1 not enough. Freo will finish top 4 next year
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: MintOnLamb on August 27, 2024, 02:15:19 PM
I’m hearing Baker is staying

Pick 9 & Future 1st for Bolton 😉

Pick 9 and F1 not enough. Freo will finish top 4 next year
Agree, they are saying Petracca is worth more than Bolton pfffft
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on August 27, 2024, 02:42:26 PM
I’m hearing Baker is staying

Pick 9 & Future 1st for Bolton 😉

Pick 9 and F1 not enough. Freo will finish top 4 next year

Agree with this.

I'm ok with a future first and it being in the teens as it spreads out talent pool.

But they'll need to improve 9 into top 6 if they want to give us a pick 14-18 pick as steak knives. Pick 9 isn't good enough. This could really benefit as the top 6 picks look absolutely elite.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: mat073 on August 27, 2024, 03:27:13 PM
I wouldn’t be surprised if Baker stays now - West Coast in disarray, how can they pitch a future when no one is sure who their coach will be.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Loui Tufga on August 27, 2024, 06:34:20 PM
I wouldn’t be surprised if Baker stays now - West Coast in disarray, how can they pitch a future when no one is sure who their coach will be.

We should be pushing Baker out the door unless he’s willing to sign a long term contract!
He’s an unrestricted free agent next year without a contract, if we don’t act now we could lose him for nothing!
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on August 27, 2024, 06:50:42 PM
I've said all along if we keep Baker and trade Rioli and Bolton we will win out hugely.

Mainly cause Daniel and Shai are contracted and we will facilitate good trades. If we get picks 6, 9 and 10 for Shai and Daniel that will set our rebuild up insanely well.

If that ends up being Jagga Smith, Josh Smillie/Murphy Reid, Whitlock/Armstrong and maybe a sliding Lalor. Far out that is a foundation of a premiership side in 4-5 years.

No reason we can't do a Bulldogs with what they did with Bont and Macrae as well.

Sad to see Rioli and Shai are likely to be traded but the beauty of being co reacted we should be well compensated for their value in draft picks which is what we desperately need pre Tassie.

It's essential we land those 3 first round draft picks or at worst 6 and 9 and a future first from Freo.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: pmac21 on August 27, 2024, 07:04:29 PM
No way 9 & future first gets this done. 
9 & 10 starting point
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on August 27, 2024, 07:31:28 PM
2 first rounders for each of them.

Or they can throw in key forwards.
Amiss, Treacy, Walter, King etc.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on August 27, 2024, 08:27:30 PM
Yeah I’m not taking a future 1st from freo. Can’t imagine they finish any lower than they did this year especially with bolts in their side. It’s their first 2 this year or nothing imo.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on August 28, 2024, 07:35:11 AM
2 first rounders for each of them.

Or they can throw in key forwards.
Amiss, Treacy, Walter, King etc.

Yep. Compare what we would get if they were free agents. This year, it would be picks 2 & 3. So the points from those picks are the starting point for any negotiation
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on August 28, 2024, 09:29:08 AM
Wonder if there will be a need to bring in another Club to get these deals done, to get more picks inside the top 10 :huh3

Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on August 28, 2024, 02:04:06 PM
Wonder if there will be a need to bring in another Club to get these deals done, to get more picks inside the top 10 :huh3

As I just said in the Baker thead if we want 3 from WC in the event he nominates them. it will probably require another club to get involved....they'll also have the Barass compo....I'd imagine they want to draft Bo Allen, who's the highest rated WA kid in the draft , but he's tipped to go late top ten - mid teens so they'll probably want to get a even higher rated kid before that.. :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on August 29, 2024, 12:12:20 AM
https://x.com/cleary_mitch/status/1828739767283990883?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1828739767283990883%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=


Don't really wanna trade for any players let alone fringe players but if we were to go down that path I'd prefer him to undersized one dimensional slugs like Hobbs & Phillips..... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on August 29, 2024, 09:18:10 AM
https://x.com/cleary_mitch/status/1828739767283990883?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1828739767283990883%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=


Don't really wanna trade for any players let alone fringe players but if we were to go down that path I'd prefer him to undersized one dimensional slugs like Hobbs & Phillips..... :shh

Any idea what his worth is? Seems to have no trouble finding the goals.

Could be a steak knife for Rioli but I'd be prioritising those R1 picks mostly.

Is 6 + Rosas a fair deal?
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Rockster on August 29, 2024, 11:32:31 AM
I wouldn't be at all surprised if Baker gets done for WC's future 1st rounder
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on August 29, 2024, 11:41:07 AM
I wouldn't be at all surprised if Baker gets done for WC's future 1st rounder

I would want something for this year's draft as well. Say pick 23 their 2nd rounder worth 800 odd points that could come in very very handy
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on August 29, 2024, 04:38:40 PM
I wouldn't be at all surprised if Baker gets done for WC's future 1st rounder

I would want something for this year's draft as well. Say pick 23 their 2nd rounder worth 800 odd points that could come in very very handy

I would absolutely take that deal as a straight swap don’t think there’s any chance they offer it. Realistically are they gonna be any better next year? I think they’re heading for another bottom4 finish which would mean we get a top5 pick for baker. Where do we sign?
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on August 29, 2024, 04:52:23 PM
Apparently Kosi Pickett wants to go to Freo as well....which is going to make getting something decent for Bolton even more complicated.....I swear whenever something looks to be going our way there's  always somebody or  something that comes along to stuff it up....nothing ever goes smoothly for this club.... :banghead
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: georgies31 on August 29, 2024, 05:03:43 PM
Apparently Kosi Pickett wants to go to Freo as well....which is going to make getting something decent for Bolton even more complicated.....I swear whenever something looks to be going our way there's  always somebody or  something that comes along to stuff it up....nothing ever goes smoothly for this club.... :banghead

Has no bearing for me. All players who informed the club they want to go would be already well advanced with clubs they want to go to just compensation now. Pickett is not even close to Bolton as a player.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on August 30, 2024, 09:22:28 PM
Richmond will declare it’s interest in George Grey, a star from Frankston’s VFL team.

Grey will be set to gain massive interest leading into the AFL Draft, with the Tigers exploring young guns in the VFL.

https://x.com/CameronHicks__/status/1828713479072878927
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on August 30, 2024, 09:26:59 PM
Looking forward to Grey crumbing at the feet of Gray.... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on August 30, 2024, 10:24:22 PM
Will Phillips staying at Norf...thank stuff for that..... :phew
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on September 02, 2024, 10:45:32 AM
I keep going through scenarios in my head with the view to secure as many top picks as possible.


WCE won't want to trade P3, but I wonder if keeping them in the 1st round makes that more tenable.

If we consider Bolton for P9 + P10 from Freo, I wonder if WCE would consider Baker + P9 for P3 + P23. Talk is that they'll be taking P12 from Hawks for Barrass, so they would be doing Barrass + 3 + 23 for Baker +9 + 12. Maybe not perfect and needs some work on this deal.

Rioli should go to GCS for 6 + 13, that's non-negotiable for me.

I would then be trading Graham comp, 39, 41, 47, 57, 66, 73 to Carlton for their P11 because they need points for their FS twin selections.


Then we could hit the draft with 1, 3, 6, 10, 11, 21, 23, 29.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: OneEyedRichmond on September 02, 2024, 04:10:58 PM
You’re not getting 9 & 10 for Bolton … deluded
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on September 02, 2024, 04:18:26 PM
You’re not getting 9 & 10 for Bolton … deluded

Then they're not getting Bolton.... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 02, 2024, 04:26:21 PM
You’re not getting 9 & 10 for Bolton … deluded

Then they're not getting Bolton.... :shh

Exactly.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on September 02, 2024, 04:42:47 PM
You’re not getting 9 & 10 for Bolton … deluded

I can see us getting those picks for sure if we pay a good portion of Bolton's wage for 2-3 years, which we can absolutely afford to do.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 02, 2024, 06:30:08 PM
You’re not getting 9 & 10 for Bolton … deluded

I can see us getting those picks for sure if we pay a good portion of Bolton's wage for 2-3 years, which we can absolutely afford to do.

Guessing you're a troll though...

He is worth that even without the salary contribution. As much as some may have forgotten, he is a legitimate superstar and match winner that can kill you in the middle or in the forward line.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on September 02, 2024, 08:09:07 PM
Reckon you've got carried away here. If his honest opinion is that we wouldn't get 9/10 for Bolts then saying "you're not" isn't a claim that he's not a Tiger man. It's just an opinion

Maybe look at his previous posts before going down this line of thought.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 02, 2024, 08:44:28 PM
https://x.com/FootyRhino/status/1830546399710314900

Well atleast we know they won’t need to use pick10 on any other trade target.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: pmac21 on September 02, 2024, 10:07:01 PM
Just because they both requested trades doesn't mean they have to be.
Let's remember that. 
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: camboon on September 03, 2024, 04:13:02 PM
He is the favourite to win our B &F along with Rioli , if the parasites  don’t dig deep , we keep them , simple as that, if you can’t afford it, don’t waste our time.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hart4Jack on September 03, 2024, 04:27:00 PM
He is the favourite to win our B &F along with Rioli , if the parasites  don’t dig deep , we keep them , simple as that, if you can’t afford it, don’t waste our time.

These clubs targeted our players knowing they were contracted long term. That being the case they have to pay the price we want, not the price they want.

End of story, no ifs no buts, put up or Nick off.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on September 04, 2024, 12:08:32 AM
The things you find on the net at this time of the year.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GWh7hf2aoAEDmiC?format=jpg&name=medium)
https://x.com/TroutWoodend/status/1830849074570109199
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on September 04, 2024, 07:09:36 AM
Lol 2 years.

Bombers fans whip him hard.

I like him as a player.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on September 04, 2024, 07:26:05 AM
He looks like the cop that drank the bottle of pee in dumb and dumber
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on September 04, 2024, 07:57:02 AM
Thought Trout was better than that  :facepalm
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on September 04, 2024, 08:23:47 AM
Thought Troutcwas better than that  :facepalm

Suspect there's sarcasm or he's calling out the nonsense
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on September 04, 2024, 08:58:39 AM
Thought Troutcwas better than that  :facepalm

Suspect there's sarcasm or he's calling out the nonsense

Yeah he probably is but not sure why he wastes his time
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on September 04, 2024, 09:28:31 AM
Thought Troutcwas better than that  :facepalm

Suspect there's sarcasm or he's calling out the nonsense

Yeah he probably is but not sure why he wastes his time

Yep, his posts and calls are normally good quality.

This is just trash.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Shammo80 on September 04, 2024, 11:05:02 AM
Reckon you've got carried away here. If his honest opinion is that we wouldn't get 9/10 for Bolts then saying "you're not" isn't a claim that he's not a Tiger man. It's just an opinion

Maybe look at his previous posts before going down this line of thought.
richmond should be pushing hard for even 3 picks gee geelong got 3 for kelly and Bolts is better then kelly
first 2 picks from freo
first 2 picks for dan
first rounder for baker or a futrue first next year and see what there second rounder is
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: OneEyedRichmond on September 05, 2024, 12:14:29 AM
Deals are done:

Bolton -> picks 9 & 10
Rioli    -> picks 6 & 13
Baker  -> pick 12 (Barrass pick from Hawks)

😉
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: wayne on September 05, 2024, 07:39:36 AM
Deals are done:

Bolton -> picks 9 & 10
Rioli    -> picks 6 & 13
Baker  -> pick 12 (Barrass pick from Hawks)

😉

If the Hawks win the flag, it will be pick ~20
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: 1965 on September 05, 2024, 08:31:44 AM
Deals are done:

Bolton -> picks 9 & 10
Rioli    -> picks 6 & 13
Baker  -> pick 12 (Barrass pick from Hawks)

😉

If the Hawks win the flag, it will be pick ~20


EFA
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Loui Tufga on September 05, 2024, 08:37:45 AM
Deals are done:

Bolton -> picks 9 & 10
Rioli    -> picks 6 & 13
Baker  -> pick 12 (Barrass pick from Hawks)

😉

Deals definitely aren’t done. We’re looking to spread the load over two drafts, and not put all our eggs into this years basket. Don’t be surprised if the Bolton and Rioli deals include future first round picks.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Simonator on September 05, 2024, 09:03:30 AM
Deals are done:

Bolton -> picks 9 & 10
Rioli    -> picks 6 & 13
Baker  -> pick 12 (Barrass pick from Hawks)

😉

As is the case with any sort of investment it is best to not put all your eggs in one basket. My concern would be that freos and gold coasts picks next year will be worse though, so it will be interesting to see

Deals definitely aren’t done. We’re looking to spread the load over two drafts, and not put all our eggs into this years basket. Don’t be surprised if the Bolton and Rioli deals include future first round picks.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Knighter on September 05, 2024, 09:47:20 AM
Deals are done:

Bolton -> picks 9 & 10
Rioli    -> picks 6 & 13
Baker  -> pick 12 (Barrass pick from Hawks)

😉

Deals definitely aren’t done. We’re looking to spread the load over two drafts, and not put all our eggs into this years basket. Don’t be surprised if the Bolton and Rioli deals include future first round picks.


Boo Hiiss
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on September 05, 2024, 09:53:21 AM
Do we have any idea what 2025 draft will look like?

The consistent opinion is that 2024 is a DEEP draft. Could easily pick up half a dozen good players if we nail our picks.

Regardless we should be taking 3 1st round picks in each of 24-25.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: OneEyedRichmond on September 05, 2024, 11:19:40 AM
Deals are done:

Bolton -> picks 9 & 10
Rioli    -> picks 6 & 13
Baker  -> pick 12 (Barrass pick from Hawks)

😉

Deals definitely aren’t done. We’re looking to spread the load over two drafts, and not put all our eggs into this years basket. Don’t be surprised if the Bolton and Rioli deals include future first round picks.


They’re done 😉
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: pmac21 on September 05, 2024, 12:26:49 PM
Looks like pick 3 will be involved for Baker. 
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Simonator on September 05, 2024, 12:41:15 PM
Looks like pick 3 will be involved for Baker.

Care to elaborate a little ? Only way I see this happening is giving up 6&9
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on September 05, 2024, 12:43:51 PM
Looks like pick 3 will be involved for Baker. 
Looks like pick 3 will be involved for Baker.

Care to elaborate a little ? Only way I see this happening is giving up 6&9

Yep, which we should be wary of. I'd keep 6.

If we manage to get 9+10 for Bolton, those are the two I'd consider trading to get 3.

Draft with 1, 3, 6 to get our night started.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Simonator on September 05, 2024, 12:49:16 PM
I’m super wary of investing too heavily in this draft, every year people say it’s deep or shallow or whatever and every year there’s a handful of guns.

Picks 1&3 are a good start but no certainty.

I’d definitely entertain baker+9+10 for pick 3 and eagles future 1st

We still have pick 1,3,6 and whatever other picks we ends up with this year and our first and eagles next years first too.

I’d be surprised if eagles parted with 3 though.

Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on September 05, 2024, 12:52:43 PM
They won't part with 3.

They're rebuilding.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on September 05, 2024, 01:24:08 PM
Deals are done:

Bolton -> picks 9 & 10
Rioli    -> picks 6 & 13
Baker  -> pick 12 (Barrass pick from Hawks)

😉

Deals definitely aren’t done. We’re looking to spread the load over two drafts, and not put all our eggs into this years basket. Don’t be surprised if the Bolton and Rioli deals include future first round picks.


They’re done 😉

OER's answer to Yapple Dripples here.... ::)
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: georgies31 on September 05, 2024, 02:30:31 PM
Pick 9 and 10 for 3. Wouldn't do it top 10 super even.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Gigantor on September 05, 2024, 03:13:50 PM
Yeah I agree , it’s nuts to give away two first rounders to get a higher pick when this draft is so even and deep
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: pmac21 on September 05, 2024, 03:18:41 PM
Eagles might do Baker & 10 for 3. 
Who knows, I'm just making things up like most people.
Means they are only giving up a position in the draft not an actual pick. 
I wouldn't be trading 1,6 or 9.  10 maybe.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on September 05, 2024, 03:21:23 PM
Realistically I think it will be Bolton for 9 + 10 (if we are paying some wage).

Rioli for 6 + 13 (and we will trade more picks to them to give them a surplus for Lombard).

Baker for WCE F2 + negotiated deal for Graham that ensures R2 compo.


So we'll go to the draft with 1, 6, 9, 10, 13, 21, 22 (comp), 29, 39, 41.


Then in 2025 we'll have the WCE 2nd rounder which should be around 20-22.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 05, 2024, 03:35:50 PM
You’re not getting 9 & 10 for Bolton … deluded

Same guy now saying it’s a done deal? Cmon guys don’t fall for the bait.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on September 05, 2024, 03:37:26 PM
You’re not getting 9 & 10 for Bolton … deluded

Same guy now saying it’s a done deal? Cmon guys don’t fall for the bait.

Obvious troll is obvious.... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 05, 2024, 03:40:21 PM
Pick 9 and 10 for 3. Wouldn't do it top 10 super even.

That’s what I’m thinking they’d want and I wouldn’t take it. You’re essentially trading baker & Bolton (pick 9 and 10) for pick 3 which just isn’t enough. If it was one of pick 9 or 10, then that’s a good basis to negotiate a deal from:

Eagles get - baker & pick 10
Freo get - Bolton
Richmond get - pick 3 and pick 9
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on September 05, 2024, 05:31:28 PM
Pick 9 and 10 for 3. Wouldn't do it top 10 super even.

That’s what I’m thinking they’d want and I wouldn’t take it. You’re essentially trading baker & Bolton (pick 9 and 10) for pick 3 which just isn’t enough. If it was one of pick 9 or 10, then that’s a good basis to negotiate a deal from:

Eagles get - baker & pick 10
Freo get - Bolton
Richmond get - pick 3 and pick 9

That’s getting closer to the right deal
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on September 05, 2024, 05:39:06 PM

You’re not getting 9 & 10 for Bolton … deluded

Same guy now saying it’s a done deal? Cmon guys don’t fall for the bait.

Obvious troll is obvious.... :shh
Yep I apologise to everyone for saying that bloke may not be a troll

Ban him please
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: OneEyedRichmond on September 05, 2024, 06:57:29 PM
You’re not getting 9 & 10 for Bolton … deluded

Same guy now saying it’s a done deal? Cmon guys don’t fall for the bait.

Things change 😉
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on September 05, 2024, 08:17:59 PM
Top-end pick on the table as powerhouse weighs up move

Aidan Cellini
zerohanger.com
September 5, 2024


West Coast is reportedly open to trading its first pick (No.3) in the upcoming 2024 National Draft to secure Richmond's Liam Baker, but with a caveat.

Baker's desire to return home to Western Australia means the Eagles and Fremantle are his landing spots, with the former a club he grew up supporting.

However, it would be remiss to think that the chance of adding another premiership medallion to his two (2019, 2020) would be more likely at the Dockers.

But, Herald Sun's Jon Ralph believes that West Coast are willing to send over the illustrious third selection in this year's draft for Baker whilst also hoping a top-10 pick is returned.

This could see the Tigers end up with Picks 1 and 3.

The Eagles' willingness comes as the club attempts to accelerate its rebuild as it looks to lock down a senior coach.

Baker could be joined by teammate Jack Graham, who has also expressed his desire to head west.

Richmond are wanting Graham to stay and has upped their offer, but it's been heavily reported he wants to depart.

https://www.zerohanger.com/top-end-pick-on-the-table-as-powerhouse-weighs-up-move-afl-trade-news-154805/
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on September 05, 2024, 09:23:37 PM
They're mad if they trade us P3
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on September 05, 2024, 09:49:54 PM
They're mad if they trade us P3

Thanks for your input Kaneyy...... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on September 05, 2024, 09:57:50 PM
They're mad if they trade us P3

Thanks for your input Kaneyy...... :shh

You would pay P3 for Baker in a rebuilding side? Madness
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on September 05, 2024, 10:00:28 PM
They're mad if they trade us P3

Thanks for your input Kaneyy...... :shh

You would pay P3 for Baker in a rebuilding side? Madness

It's not our madness it's theirs and we're counting on it....let their feral fans stress over it.... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on September 05, 2024, 10:17:40 PM
They're mad if they trade us P3

Thanks for your input Kaneyy...... :shh

You would pay P3 for Baker in a rebuilding side? Madness

It's not our madness it's theirs and we're counting on it....let their feral fans stress over it.... :shh

Dude if they cough up P3 I'll buy you a beer lol
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on September 06, 2024, 01:12:24 AM
OUTSIDE-THE-BOX PLAY EAGLES COULD MAKE FOR BAKER

West Coast is reportedly open to parting with its premium first-round selection in order to secure Richmond’s Liam Baker.

Currently, the Eagles hold Pick 3 at November’s national draft, but they could offload that high-end selection in a potential trade to acquire the wantaway West Australian.

However, such an arrangement would also see Richmond surrender one of its first-rounders, reports Herald Sun journalist Jon Ralph.

The Tigers could land two of Fremantle’s first-round picks in a trade involving Shai Bolton, and theoretically, one of those selections — and Baker — would go to West Coast for the third overall choice.

Richmond could wield the first and third picks at this year’s draft as a result — with the top of the order evenly spread with attractive talent.

While the 26-year-old Baker is expected to nominate his childhood club West Coast as his destination of choice, he hasn’t officially declared his intentions one way or the other.

Meanwhile, Baker’s teammate Jack Graham has also been strongly linked to the Eagles as he weighs up his AFL future.

The dual premiership midfielder is eligible for free agency this year and has reportedly been offered four-year deals by both West Coast and Richmond.

It is entirely possible both Baker and Graham are waiting for the Eagles to announce their new senior coach before coming to definitive decisions.

West Coast premiership player Will Schofield on Wednesday night reported his ‘expectation’ that Geelong assistant Steven King would be confirmed as the Eagles’ new mentor once the Cats’ finals campaign came to an end.

Herald Sun journalist Jay Clark reported on Fox Footy’s Midweek Tackle that Melbourne’s Andrew McQualter — who has Tiger ties to Baker and Graham — was firming as a strong contender for the job, adding that the Eagles were also into Brisbane’s Danny Daly for a ‘director of coaching’ sort of role.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/department-of-trade/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2024-st-kilda-players-thought-josh-battle-was-set-to-stay-free-agency-compensation-mark-keane-to-stay-at-adelaide/news-story/13a0e79ef284a46dc040340143246e8c
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on September 06, 2024, 01:13:20 AM
Liam Baker still deciding his club of choice. But if he chose the Eagles they might be open to handing over pick 3 then shuffling back to another very early pick as part of the trade. Get the best of both worlds with experience and youth.

I don't care either way. RFC will be well stocked with picks. It's not a concept. It is something the Eagles are considering as part of a wider deal. So I reported it. Just like Suns being open to trading those two late first-rounders. Now they have six Richmond will ask for it

https://x.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1831591050206662760
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on September 06, 2024, 07:23:51 AM
Reckon Baker hasn't nominated yet as he's waiting to see who the coach is  ;D

Media saying Mini McQualter is one of the favourites and one of the last still interested 
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on September 06, 2024, 12:07:28 PM
Reckon Baler hasn't nominated yet as he's waiting to see who the coach is  ;D

Media saying Mini McQualter is one of the favourites and one of the last still interested

Wouldn't surprise if Mini gets the gig and that's the deal breaker than gets Baker to nominate WCE.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on September 06, 2024, 12:11:03 PM
More I think about it, the more we have to facilitate a trade where we end up with picks

1, 3, 6 and either 9, 10 or 12.

That lands us with a likely combination of
two out of Finn O'Sullivan, Sid Draper and Jagga Smith
likely one of Smillie or Langford (big bodied mid)
and Harry Armstrong or Jack Whitlock (best 2 key fwds)
Absolutely set up.

My preference:

1. Finn O'Sullivan
3. Sid Draper
6. Josh Smillie
9. Harry Armstrong

Absolutely ridiculous draft hand. Future all elite players of the competition.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: yandb on September 06, 2024, 12:13:01 PM
So 10 and Baker for pick 3 in an even draft not even worth it' that values Baker about pick 20

Keep our picks and don't trade up, this is a once in a generation chance to rebuild our list in 2 seasons
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on September 06, 2024, 12:21:32 PM
So 10 and Baker for pick 3 in an even draft not even worth it' that values Baker about pick 20

Keep our picks and don't trade up, this is a once in a generation chance to rebuild our list in 2 seasons

There are a few scenarios, all based on what clubs agree to deal with.

1. Bolton and Baker to WCE for Pick 3 and 12. (We get Picks 3 and 12)
2. Bolton for Picks 9, 10 to Freo. Pick 9/10 and Baker to WCE for Pick 3. (We get Picks 3 and 9 or 10)
3. Bolton to Freo for Picks 9, 10 and Baker to WCE for Pick 12. (We get picks 9, 10, 12)

Option 2 is the best result. I don't like the idea of more picks and hoping to nail majority. Pick 3 is having 2 hits at the top 3 kids in the whoe draft ina. strong draft. We cannot pass that up.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Gigantor on September 06, 2024, 02:01:45 PM
It’s great having all these high end picks , but choose well Richmond you don’t want
Richard Lounder  Anthony Banik , Aaron fiora and Richard Tambling in one draft.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Chuck17 on September 06, 2024, 02:09:50 PM
It’s great having all these high end picks , but choose well Richmond you don’t want
Richard Lounder  Anthony Banik , Aaron fiora and Richard Tambling in one draft.

I am offended that JON isnt in that list
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on September 06, 2024, 02:14:44 PM
Really can't see WCE including 3 unless something solid goes back, but probably not at all.

Also don't see them giving us 12.

I reckon they'll try 2025 2nd rounder + agreement that Graham compo will be band 3 for 2nd round 2024 pick for us.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Chuck17 on September 06, 2024, 02:19:48 PM
Really can't see WCE including 3 unless something solid goes back, but probably not at all.

Also don't see them giving us 12.


x 2
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on September 06, 2024, 02:22:09 PM
More I think about it, the more we have to facilitate a trade where we end up with picks

1, 3, 6 and either 9, 10 or 12.

That lands us with a likely combination of
two out of Finn O'Sullivan, Sid Draper and Jagga Smith
likely one of Smillie or Langford (big bodied mid)
and Harry Armstrong or Jack Whitlock (best 2 key fwds)
Absolutely set up.

My preference:

1. Finn O'Sullivan
3. Sid Draper
6. Josh Smillie
9. Harry Armstrong

Absolutely ridiculous draft hand. Future all elite players of the competition.

Lalor will be better than all of them..... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on September 06, 2024, 02:28:13 PM
So 10 and Baker for pick 3 in an even draft not even worth it' that values Baker about pick 20

Keep our picks and don't trade up, this is a once in a generation chance to rebuild our list in 2 seasons

That and an agreement that they'll give us Band 3 compo for Graham is probably about right.

So Baker + Graham + P9
for
Pick 3 + Pick 22.


Pick 22 is way overs for Graham. We have a chance to get a great return here, similar to when Vickery left lmao.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on September 06, 2024, 05:01:15 PM
I think getting pick 3 is worth offering up something in the early teen’s with Baker. There’s 3 or 4 in top 10 we should be prioritising and this means we get 2 of them
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on September 06, 2024, 06:18:59 PM
It’s great having all these high end picks , but choose well Richmond you don’t want
Richard Lounder  Anthony Banik , Aaron fiora and Richard Tambling in one draft.

Really get angry when folks pot Anthony Banik. Club ruined him and destroyed his career by playng him when he was ill.

Others you mention I have no issue with
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Damo on September 06, 2024, 06:29:36 PM
It’s great having all these high end picks , but choose well Richmond you don’t want
Richard Lounder  Anthony Banik , Aaron fiora and Richard Tambling in one draft.

Really get angry when folks pot Anthony Banik. Club ruined him and destroyed his career by playng him when he was ill.

Others you mention I have no issue with

Agree WP
Banik could have been special
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Gigantor on September 06, 2024, 10:34:55 PM
I guess with the passage of time the reasons for his demise are forgotten or just blurred
I’ll replace him with Jon as one poster suggested
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on September 06, 2024, 10:49:53 PM
I think JON is the only draftee I get embarassed about. The story behind his selection was nothing but unprofessional and cowboy. The rest had decent reason to be drafted based on the scouting we had.

Tambling pick was a steal. The kid was rated the 2nd best player in the draft and slid to pick 4. His development was poor and mentally was scarred from the critics and comparison to Franklin. I've always wondered how much different his career would have been if he was picked after Buddy.

Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: yandb on September 07, 2024, 08:26:55 AM
So 10 and Baker for pick 3 in an even draft not even worth it' that values Baker about pick 20

Keep our picks and don't trade up, this is a once in a generation chance to rebuild our list in 2 seasons

That and an agreement that they'll give us Band 3 compo for Graham is probably about right.

So Baker + Graham + P9
for
Pick 3 + Pick 22.


Pick 22 is way overs for Graham. We have a chance to get a great return here, similar to when Vickery left lmao.
We are not trading for Graham so to include him in your hypothetical is confusing, the third option is the one that will deliver the most for Richmond.

For those interested a podcast by Dylan Alexander on Youtube titled top 10 midfielders will give a good insight into how even the quality is at the top end and bundling up picks is a waste of resources.

If there was three Harley Reid type of players at the top 3 then trading up for a 2nd top three pick would make sense.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: OneEyedRichmond on September 07, 2024, 09:49:00 AM
So 10 and Baker for pick 3 in an even draft not even worth it' that values Baker about pick 20

Keep our picks and don't trade up, this is a once in a generation chance to rebuild our list in 2 seasons

That and an agreement that they'll give us Band 3 compo for Graham is probably about right.

So Baker + Graham + P9
for
Pick 3 + Pick 22.


Pick 22 is way overs for Graham. We have a chance to get a great return here, similar to when Vickery left lmao.
We are not trading for Graham so to include him in your hypothetical is confusing, the third option is the one that will deliver the most for Richmond.

For those interested a podcast by Dylan Alexander on Youtube titled top 10 midfielders will give a good insight into how even the quality is at the top end and bundling up picks is a waste of resources.

If there was three Harley Reid type of players at the top 3 then trading up for a 2nd top three pick would make sense.

100% yandb
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on September 07, 2024, 01:21:58 PM
So 10 and Baker for pick 3 in an even draft not even worth it' that values Baker about pick 20

Keep our picks and don't trade up, this is a once in a generation chance to rebuild our list in 2 seasons

That and an agreement that they'll give us Band 3 compo for Graham is probably about right.

So Baker + Graham + P9
for
Pick 3 + Pick 22.


Pick 22 is way overs for Graham. We have a chance to get a great return here, similar to when Vickery left lmao.
We are not trading for Graham so to include him in your hypothetical is confusing, the third option is the one that will deliver the most for Richmond.

For those interested a podcast by Dylan Alexander on Youtube titled top 10 midfielders will give a good insight into how even the quality is at the top end and bundling up picks is a waste of resources.

If there was three Harley Reid type of players at the top 3 then trading up for a 2nd top three pick would make sense.

Must have just confused you.

He's not being traded - I've just listed him because we have the opportunity to negotiate his contract terms to ensure specific FA compo as part of a side deal when dealing with Baker.

WCE can ensure their offer results in band 3 (same as band 2 for us) as a sweetener.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: MintOnLamb on September 07, 2024, 05:53:38 PM
Speaking to ex WCE scout reckons Jagga is the best ….
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on September 07, 2024, 06:11:53 PM

You’re not getting 9 & 10 for Bolton … deluded

Same guy now saying it’s a done deal? Cmon guys don’t fall for the bait.

Obvious troll is obvious.... :shh
Yep I apologise to everyone for saying that bloke may not be a troll

Ban him please

Currently pulling the same crap over at Big Footy as well..... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: OneEyedRichmond on September 07, 2024, 09:02:31 PM

You’re not getting 9 & 10 for Bolton … deluded

Same guy now saying it’s a done deal? Cmon guys don’t fall for the bait.

Obvious troll is obvious.... :shh
Yep I apologise to everyone for saying that bloke may not be a troll

Ban him please

Currently pulling the same crap over at Big Footy as well..... :shh

I’m looking forward to making you all look silly…

I’ll say it again..The deals are done -
Rioli for picks 6 & 12
Bolton for picks 9 & 10
Baker for Barrass pick from hawthorn
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on September 07, 2024, 09:07:41 PM
Troll baby…..
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 07, 2024, 10:16:19 PM
I’d gladly be made to look silly for that draft haul. Whether it happens or not won’t make me think your some knowledgeable club insider. You’re pretty much just recycling what most on here are saying they are expecting (which you initially laughed at btw). Maybe the second pick for Rioli is the only one where it’s higher than what most are expecting but that’s it.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on September 08, 2024, 03:26:03 PM
Don Luke has ruled out Pick 3 for Baker but not ruled out trading pick 3 for Baker and a top 10 pick.

Hinting pick 9 if we get for Bolton, plus Baker will get us pick 3.

Which makes the Bolton trade very important, in that we should be working hard at getting pick 9 and 10. As 10 will ensure we get either Whitlock or Armstrong.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Damo on September 08, 2024, 04:17:06 PM
Don Luke has ruled out Pick 3 for Baker but not ruled out trading pick 3 for Baker and a top 10 pick.

Hinting pick 9 if we get for Bolton, plus Baker will get us pick 3.

Which makes the Bolton trade very important, in that we should be working hard at getting pick 9 and 10. As 10 will ensure we get either Whitlock or Armstrong.

Tell them to eff off
Such an even draft

Option 1 - pick 1, pick 9, keep Baker
Option 2 - pick 1, pick 3

I know which id prefer

Surely there would need to be something else coming our way . Future second ?
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on September 08, 2024, 04:34:25 PM
I don't think it's much of a loss. Personally want pick 3. Baker is gone. Id prefer to keep pick 9 and trade 15 we'd get for Rioli but doubt WCE agree to that.

Pick 3 gets us an absolute elite kid. The last pick 3 we had was a certain 3 time Norm Smith medalist. Those players are very hard to get at Pick 9.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on September 08, 2024, 04:35:53 PM
Don Luke has ruled out Pick 3 for Baker but not ruled out trading pick 3 for Baker and a top 10 pick.

Hinting pick 9 if we get for Bolton, plus Baker will get us pick 3.

Which makes the Bolton trade very important, in that we should be working hard at getting pick 9 and 10. As 10 will ensure we get either Whitlock or Armstrong.

Tell them to eff off
Such an even draft

Option 1 - pick 1, pick 9, keep Baker
Option 2 - pick 1, pick 3

I know which id prefer

Surely there would need to be something else coming our way . Future second ?

More like
Option 1 - P1, P9, P10, Baker
Option 2 - P1, P3, P10

You'd want something else thrown in for Baker rather than trading him for an upgrade. I'd consider their 2nd or F2.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Damo on September 08, 2024, 04:45:50 PM
Don Luke has ruled out Pick 3 for Baker but not ruled out trading pick 3 for Baker and a top 10 pick.

Hinting pick 9 if we get for Bolton, plus Baker will get us pick 3.

Which makes the Bolton trade very important, in that we should be working hard at getting pick 9 and 10. As 10 will ensure we get either Whitlock or Armstrong.

Tell them to eff off
Such an even draft

Option 1 - pick 1, pick 9, keep Baker
Option 2 - pick 1, pick 3

I know which id prefer

Surely there would need to be something else coming our way . Future second ?

More like
Option 1 - P1, P9, P10, Baker
Option 2 - P1, P3, P10

You'd want something else thrown in for Baker rather than trading him for an upgrade. I'd consider their 2nd or F2.

So you are saying exactly what I said

But just adding in the pick 10s which add zero difference to the comparison of scenarios

May as well add in every pick we will have

Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on September 08, 2024, 07:05:03 PM
West Coast Eagles rule out trading pick three for Richmond vice captain Liam Baker in ‘standalone’ trade

Glen Quartermain
The West Australian
Sun, 8 September 2024


West Coast chief executive Don Pyke has ruled out giving up pick three on its own in this year’s draft to Richmond in a direct trade for Liam Baker.

But Pyke did not rule out parting with three and securing a top-10 pick and the West Australian premiership mid-forward.

The Tigers are in negotiations with Gold Coast over the future of Daniel Rioli with the pick six mentioned in that deal a chance to be on-traded to the Eagles.

“Not as a standalone,” Pyke told ABC Radio.

“The scenarios are varied and different with ultimately what we would be prepared to part with for Liam versus what does it look like for us in our trade hand and the draft table.

“It’s hard because the trade stuff starts in about a month’s time. I know the conversations have already started but there is a fair bit of water to go under the bridge before we get to that.

“We are really mindful and want to reassure our members and fans we are going to make sure we do this in a really diligent way and really sensible way that hopefully we can bring in some mature talent but we can also make sure we have a good draft hand to bring in our younger talent.

‘Historically that is where the club has done very well. And this year’s draft falls very deep I am led to believe. We don’t want to miss out.

“I’ve said probably from the middle of the year, where we are at, we want the best of both worlds. We want to bring in some talent, mature, that can help us but we also want to make sure we have our draft talent to keep that draft talent coming on board so that we have some high-end picks.”

He confirmed Baker, Shai Bolton, Jack Graham and Chad Warner were also part of discussions.

”We are having conversations around what that might look like,” Pyke said.

“There are negotiations around trade, around contracts, term, and we are working through that.

“We are trying to have the view that if we put enough lines in the water we will add something there. We need to be sure we are adding to the list in the right way that builds towards what we need for the future. That’s where it’s at.”

Richmond’s new CEO Shane Dunne said this week if would take an “extraordinary” deal to part with contracted players Bolton and Rioli.

Baker is uncontracted, and while he is leaning towards the Eagles, his management has told the Dockers and West Coast he is yet to come to an official decision.

The Dockers have three first-round picks in this year’s draft and are also in the mix for Baker and Bolton, along with Sydney’s Chad Warner, who is out of contract at the end of next season.

Eagles defender Tom Barrass has requested a trade to Hawthorn with the Hawks will be prepared to give up a first-round pick, which will depend on how deep the go in September.

“The situation with Tom is those conversations will have started now and we will have those with Hawthorn without necessarily putting it out there as to what we want,” Pyke said.

“Understanding he is a contracted player and is a required player. He has made a decision and so we will try and negotiate in our best interests to get what we can for that trade if it is to eventuate.”

https://thewest.com.au/sport/west-coast-eagles/west-coast-eagles-rule-out-trading-pick-three-for-richmond-vice-captain-liam-baker-in-standalone-trade-c-15983220
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on September 09, 2024, 02:52:30 PM
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2024-bailey-smith-requests-trade-from-western-bulldogs/news-story/6f44538525b286d379a4726cb343e7a0

PSD Pick#1 :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on September 09, 2024, 03:07:04 PM
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2024-bailey-smith-requests-trade-from-western-bulldogs/news-story/6f44538525b286d379a4726cb343e7a0

PSD Pick#1 :shh

Great idea. We've got the money. May as well :D
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: wayne on September 10, 2024, 08:43:00 PM
On the Suns BF forum, they said Collingwood have asked for 12 for Noble  :lol
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on September 10, 2024, 10:49:56 PM
How noble of them...... :propeller
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on September 11, 2024, 12:28:58 AM
Sam Edmund on SEN:

“The Blues have pick 11. Now, Carlton wants to take pick 11 to the draft, so you’d be fair to think ‘how the hell can they get Houston in?’.

“This is where Richmond comes in, I think. If the Blues give their future 1st and send it to Richmond and the Tigers won’t want half a dozen first round picks in the one draft this year with the exodus taking place.

“The Blues could help them there and get a first round pick back this year from the Tigers. There would need to be more to the deal and swaps and the rest of it.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/09/10/how-richmond-and-gws-could-factor-into-houston-trade-as-blues-emerge-as/
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 11, 2024, 12:33:32 AM
No thanks. As much as the blues are overhyped, smart money would be on them finishing higher next season so this just seems like a downgrade to me. Also not keen on helping the blues get the trades they want lol
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on September 11, 2024, 12:41:22 AM
No thanks. As much as the blues are overhyped, smart money would be on them finishing higher next season so this just seems like a downgrade to me. Also not keen on helping the blues get the trades they want lol

Yep.

If we get band 3 compo for Graham and end up with 21+22 we should use them to have a punt on the twins just to F with their craft.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on September 11, 2024, 01:11:05 AM
No thanks. As much as the blues are overhyped, smart money would be on them finishing higher next season so this just seems like a downgrade to me. Also not keen on helping the blues get the trades they want lol

Yep.

If we get band 3 compo for Graham and end up with 21+22 we should use them to have a punt on the twins just to F with their craft.

Campo twins are duds.....would prefer the Whitlock twins at those picks if they're still on the board...... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on September 11, 2024, 09:13:11 AM
No thanks. As much as the blues are overhyped, smart money would be on them finishing higher next season so this just seems like a downgrade to me. Also not keen on helping the blues get the trades they want lol

Yep.

If we get band 3 compo for Graham and end up with 21+22 we should use them to have a punt on the twins just to F with their craft.

Campo twins are duds.....would prefer the Whitlock twins at those picks if they're still on the board...... :shh

Don't actually want them. Just hope it's enough to make Carltank bid and slide :D
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: georgies31 on September 11, 2024, 12:13:43 PM
We own these pricks over Yarran to.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: OneEyedRichmond on September 11, 2024, 12:40:40 PM
We own these pricks over Yarran to.

💯🖕
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Francois Jackson on September 11, 2024, 12:41:16 PM
We own these pricks over Yarran to.

we were the idiots who coughed it up, much like Hopper and to a lesser extend TT.

What is the difference?

We didnt do our DD on Hopper or Yarran.

Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on September 11, 2024, 01:28:18 PM
We own these pricks over Yarran to.

💯🖕

Don't forget Hampson.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 11, 2024, 06:28:19 PM
Wasn’t the rumour that kruez told cotch about yarrans issues, but the club decided to roll the dice anyway?
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: pmac21 on September 11, 2024, 07:18:40 PM
I see Mac Andrew has signed a 9 yr, 12 million dollar deal.  I find this pretty ridiculous. 
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on September 11, 2024, 07:30:07 PM
I see Mac Andrew has signed a 9 yr, 12 million dollar deal.  I find this pretty ridiculous. 

What the f
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on September 11, 2024, 09:31:41 PM
I see Mac Andrew has signed a 9 yr, 12 million dollar deal.  I find this pretty ridiculous.

It is 5 years with an option (his) for a further 4 years. He was always contracted for 2025

Staggering, the $$$ involved
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on September 12, 2024, 12:15:21 AM
Old Tigers, numerous draft picks

Richmond could look to spread some of their return for wantaway stars Shai Bolton, Daniel Rioli and Liam Baker into the 2025 draft, rather than putting all their eggs in this year’s basket.

The Tigers already hold the No.1 selection in what talent scouts rate as a strong and deep crop – albeit without an obvious dux of the class – but are certain to strengthen their first-round hand in the trade period.

Rioli, who is contracted until 2027, wants to join Gold Coast under his former coach Damien Hardwick, with the Suns holding picks six, 12 (tied to the Western Bulldogs) and 20 (North Melbourne assistance package selection) and set to match a bid on academy product Leo Lombard.

Richmond are not expected to inquire about Jack Lukosius as part of the Rioli negotiations, but will demand more compensation than merely pick six for Rioli, who is favoured to win the Jack Dyer Medal this season.

Bolton and Baker want to return to Western Australia, but are yet to nominate a club.

Fremantle, who have selections nine, 10 (tied to Collingwood) and 17 (tied to Port Adelaide), are considered Bolton’s likeliest destination, and they are also in serious contention for Baker, who grew up a West Coast fan but knows the Dockers have been keen on him for years.

The Eagles are poised to receive Hawthorn’s first-round selection for contracted defender Tom Barrass, who has already indicated he wants to join the Hawks. Richmond unrestricted free agent Jack Graham is weighing up an offer from West Coast as well.

The Tigers also have two second-round picks, and another three in the third round, which they hope to use to move up the order, so are shaping to be the biggest players in the 2024 draft.

North Melbourne are open to trading down from No.2, given they already have a good group of promising midfielders, and could select a tall with a later top-10 selection – but finding a trade partner could be a challenge.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/why-this-triple-all-australian-premiership-bulldog-wants-out-of-the-kennel-20240910-p5k9di.html?js-chunk-not-found-refresh=true
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on September 12, 2024, 12:16:12 AM
COACH FACTOR IN EAGLES SEARCH

WEST Coast's new coach could be a pivotal factor in the trade and free agency decisions of star targets Liam Baker, Jack Graham and Shai Bolton, as the Richmond trio continue to weigh up their options.

Former Tigers assistant Andrew McQualter is among the genuine contenders in the Eagles' coaching search and shares a good relationship with all three players from his 10-year career at Punt Road.

Baker and Bolton have already requested trades to Western Australia and have interest from both West Coast and Fremantle, while Graham is tossing up four-year free agency offers from the Eagles and the Tigers.

Speaking on AFL.com.au's trade and draft show Gettable this week, West Coast list manager Matt Clarke said the club was still waiting on a call from Baker, with clarity on the Eagles' coaching position expected to be a factor for players considering moves.

"I'm not sure about confident (of landing Baker)," Clarke said.

"He's still to make a decision. His management and Liam have been upfront about that, they're still weighing up a few things. We've put our best foot forward to see what we can do there.

"We'd love to get Liam on board given what he offers from a talent point of view and a leadership point of view with our group. We're still working through that.

"He's got a decision to make and we don't have a coach at the moment as well. That may play a factor in it at some point, potentially. We'll have constant dialogue with his management group."

Graham is still weighing up offers from West Coast and Richmond as an unrestricted free agent, while Bolton has also requested a trade to Western Australia but remains under contract with the Tigers until 2028.

West Coast has joined Fremantle in the hunt for Bolton, though Clarke conceded it would be difficult to get a deal for the star small forward done given Richmond would hold the leverage in negotiations.

"I think it'll be difficult for anybody, really," Clarke said.

"Shai, obviously, is keen to get home. The Tigers are in a good position there. He's heavily contracted and he's a high-end, quality player. I'm not sure where that one actually sits with both clubs, to be honest." – Riley Beveridge

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1217505/inside-trading-key-factor-for-eagles-targets-swan-gets-offer-clubs-meet-for-trade-talks
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on September 13, 2024, 07:59:48 AM
“Adelaide will offer pick 25 for Alex Neal-Bullen and Melbourne will accept it. It could well be the first deal done of the trade period.”

- Callum Twomey on twitter.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: julzqld on September 13, 2024, 04:40:45 PM
I see Mac Andrew has signed a 9 yr, 12 million dollar deal.  I find this pretty ridiculous.
plays one good game and gets this :huh GC seem to have a big war chest.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on September 13, 2024, 05:20:50 PM
I see Mac Andrew has signed a 9 yr, 12 million dollar deal.  I find this pretty ridiculous.
plays one good game and gets this :huh GC seem to have a big war chest.

AFL owns Gold Coast and is desperate for them to succeed...do the maths.... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on September 13, 2024, 08:58:39 PM
With the Dusty developments.

RFC can simply not accept anything less than Pick 6 and 12 from GC for Rioli. Id argue and exchange of late picks for Picks 20 as well.

Owe it to the fans to win massively out of the deal of we have to sit bottom of the ladder whilst watching Rioli and Dusty run around with Dimma at the GC.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on September 13, 2024, 09:09:25 PM
Wouldn't mind picking up Marchbank as a dfa.... :shh

EDIT: On second thoughts pass...just saw his injury history...has only managed 63 games in 10 seasons.... :help
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on September 13, 2024, 09:18:44 PM
Inb4 someone suggests Jack Martin..... :propeller
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: camboon on September 13, 2024, 09:45:13 PM
lol, Discards from other sides with an injury history / list cloggers  will fit right in a Richmond , back to the 90’s when we aimed for 9th with a team full of rejects
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: camboon on September 13, 2024, 09:58:52 PM
And glad Chol is at Hawthorn and not with us , looks scared to me or injured
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on September 13, 2024, 10:11:52 PM
If we need to fill spots go with rookies. Worked last time. No recycled rejects.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on September 13, 2024, 10:26:40 PM
And glad Chol is at Hawthorn and not with us , looks scared to me or injured

Cost 'em the final & will cost 'em a flag..... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on September 14, 2024, 08:44:49 AM
He has a grand total of 18 possessions and 1 goal from his 3 finals. Dud. Delist.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on September 14, 2024, 08:57:33 AM
Inb4 someone suggests Jack Martin..... :propeller

Nope. I think we keep our own mature aged hacks until we can replace them with younger kids. There might be a moment in a couple of years where we need to do this but I am much more focussed on landing a gun key forward through free agency. Forward pay every major contract between now and 2026 before going scorched earth on GWS and Goldie
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: MintOnLamb on September 14, 2024, 10:25:22 AM
He has a grand total of 18 possessions and 1 goal from his 3 finals. Dud. Delist.
They see something in him, Koschitzke is way better ????
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Buddysucks on September 14, 2024, 02:21:00 PM
Blessed with great athletic attributes, just doesn’t have a single competitive bone in his body. Always 2 steps away from every contest because his efforts are always half arsed.
Can see why we never gave him a sustained crack at it.
If he ever figures it out he’d be more than serviceable.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on September 14, 2024, 04:06:10 PM
He has a grand total of 18 possessions and 1 goal from his 3 finals. Dud. Delist.
They see something in him, Koschitzke is way better ????

He’s miles ahead of Kosi who provides Chol’s finals stats during the h&a season
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 14, 2024, 04:54:21 PM
He has a grand total of 18 possessions and 1 goal from his 3 finals. Dud. Delist.
They see something in him, Koschitzke is way better ????

He’s miles ahead of Kosi who provides Chol’s finals stats during the h&a season

Neither are good regardless of who is better than the other. Chol is quick and has a beautiful kick but his contest work is severely lacking.

Would not make any difference to our forward line atm.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on September 15, 2024, 11:49:13 PM
Word Adam "2017 GF was the greatest day of my life" Cerra may be on the move again..... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on September 16, 2024, 12:17:56 AM
No thanks.

I think he's overrated
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on September 16, 2024, 12:25:16 AM
No thanks.

I think he's overrated
 

He is but still a good player on his day..... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on September 16, 2024, 01:17:45 AM
No thanks.

I think he's overrated
 

He is but still a good player on his day..... :shh

What's his role going to be?

I don't think he's super quick.

I'd rather Bailey Smith. Or both.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: lamington on September 16, 2024, 11:35:36 AM
Cerra can’t be worse than Thompson dow so sure why not?
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Willy on September 16, 2024, 12:12:40 PM
Cerra can’t be worse than Thompson dow so sure why not?

Because of the cost to get him, obviously.

Being better than Dow isn't a great criteria for acquisition targets. 
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on September 16, 2024, 12:28:40 PM
Cerra can’t be worse than Thompson dow so sure why not?

Taranto
Hopper
McAuliffe
Prestia

Probably 2-3 mids from this year's draft.

Dunno if it's worth what it'll cost us. He's contracted and on good money.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: the claw on September 16, 2024, 01:25:36 PM
How about Neil Erasmus. Highly touted bottom aged mid when drafted went at pick 10 in 2021.
Was always going to be a slow burn but is now starting to come into his own.
Was bog for peel thunder in their prelimanary final on the weekend and it seems he cannot break into Fremantles team atm.

Maybe we can include him in the Bolton deal or Baker deal if he chooses Fremantle or something.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on September 16, 2024, 01:53:58 PM
How about Neil Erasmus. Highly touted bottom aged mid when drafted went at pick 10 in 2021.
Was always going to be a slow burn but is now starting to come into his own.
Was bog for peel thunder in their prelimanary final on the weekend and it seems he cannot break into Fremantles team atm.

Maybe we can include him in the Bolton deal or Baker deal if he chooses Fremantle or something.

"Slow" being the key word there - unless you think our midfield still not quite slow enough as it is....  :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on September 16, 2024, 05:35:10 PM
How about Neil Erasmus. Highly touted bottom aged mid when drafted went at pick 10 in 2021.
Was always going to be a slow burn but is now starting to come into his own.
Was bog for peel thunder in their prelimanary final on the weekend and it seems he cannot break into Fremantles team atm.

Maybe we can include him in the Bolton deal or Baker deal if he chooses Fremantle or something.

He'd be a steak knife at best, surely.

Still time to improve but 3 years in the system and has amounted to diddly.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on September 16, 2024, 05:47:50 PM
lmao....

https://www.zerohanger.com/west-coast-veteran-reportedly-undergoes-medical-with-victorian-club-afl-trade-news-155160/


#lolnorf  :propeller
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on September 16, 2024, 06:27:42 PM
lmao....

https://www.zerohanger.com/west-coast-veteran-reportedly-undergoes-medical-with-victorian-club-afl-trade-news-155160/


#lolnorf  :propeller

Has had a few lean years but admittedly WCE have been absolute dogshite.

Not a bad player IMO, question is whether he's finished or another club can get two serviceable years out of him.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: the claw on September 17, 2024, 09:02:24 PM
How about Neil Erasmus. Highly touted bottom aged mid when drafted went at pick 10 in 2021.
Was always going to be a slow burn but is now starting to come into his own.
Was bog for peel thunder in their prelimanary final on the weekend and it seems he cannot break into Fremantles team atm.

Maybe we can include him in the Bolton deal or Baker deal if he chooses Fremantle or something.

"Slow" being the key word there - unless you think our midfield still not quite slow enough as it is....  :shh

Disagree he may lack explosive speed but he is not slow a lot like Cripps in some ways.

He is a genuine mid/fwd and he is damn good in both roles.
Now a 192cm mid who is only now  coming into his own with size and strength.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on September 18, 2024, 01:12:47 AM
Twomey says Freo will give up all 3 of their first round picks for both Bolton and Baker.

VIDEO: https://x.com/traderadio/status/1836002409375813922
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on September 18, 2024, 08:46:04 AM
Twomey says Freo will give up all 3 of their first round picks for both Bolton and Baker.

VIDEO: https://x.com/traderadio/status/1836002409375813922

Deal for me
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: pmac21 on September 18, 2024, 02:56:19 PM
Twomey says Freo will give up all 3 of their first round picks for both Bolton and Baker.

VIDEO: https://x.com/traderadio/status/1836002409375813922
Still a little light for me.
Baker needs to select WC
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 18, 2024, 04:00:10 PM
What’s pick is freos 3rd first rounder? Picks 9, 10 and…..?
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Dogga on September 18, 2024, 04:37:30 PM
It's tied to Port. So wherever they finish.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 18, 2024, 04:52:34 PM
OK so at best it’s pick 16 which will probably get pushed close to 20 after academy/father son bids.

Let’s say for arguments sake it’s 9, 10 and 20 for Bolton and baker. Not the worst offer but I’d be hoping for something in the mid teens for Bakes. Would rather take their future first although I’d imagine it would end up too different from ports 1st this year.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Francois Jackson on September 18, 2024, 06:09:04 PM
that deal is hopeless

Baker to the eagles for the barrass compo. Pick 20 odd for baker. No thanks freo

Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on September 18, 2024, 08:42:20 PM
Word is if we get picks 6 & 12 for Rioli, WC will offer us pick 3 for Baker & pick 12..... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on September 18, 2024, 08:56:36 PM
Play hard ball.

Bolton to Freo for 9 and 10.
Rioli to GC for 6 and 12
Baker and 12 to WCE for pick 3.

Out: Baker, Bolton, Rioli
In: Pick 3, 6, 9, 10
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on September 19, 2024, 06:39:39 AM
Freo fans want Bolton for 9+17 and salary contributed.

And both club fans think Baker is worth around 20-25.


Lol
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Francois Jackson on September 19, 2024, 06:58:31 AM
Thoughts on Matt Kennedy.?

I don't even know if he is a fa but he is a lot better than Graham.

Wouldn't hurt for a few years
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on September 19, 2024, 07:11:02 AM
Thoughts on Matt Kennedy.?

I don't even know if he is a fa but he is a lot better than Graham.

Wouldn't hurt for a few years

He's not FA, he's contracted for 2025.

Would need to be traded.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: crackertiger on September 19, 2024, 07:31:30 AM
No to Kennedy
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: yandb on September 19, 2024, 01:34:57 PM
We don't have a lot of positions on our list as we are two spots over due to long term injuries.

Picking up recycled players will only reduce spots for draft picks.

Just hit the draft this year.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 19, 2024, 03:27:52 PM
He’s another slow midfielder, you’d be replacing graham for a similar type.

No recycled mids are required. We’re gonna draft 2-3 in this coming draft who will be supported by the likes of Taranto, hopper and Prestia.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on September 19, 2024, 03:36:03 PM
We already have a midfielder with AFL experience that's arguably of similar quality to Kennedy in the perfect age bracket on our VFL list in Garner that we could easily rookie and who would cost us nothing... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Francois Jackson on September 19, 2024, 06:10:43 PM
Thoughts on Matt Kennedy.?

I don't even know if he is a fa but he is a lot better than Graham.

Wouldn't hurt for a few years

He's not FA, he's contracted for 2025.

Would need to be traded.

then that answers my question. Pass.

Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on September 19, 2024, 07:17:23 PM
Hard no on Kennedy. Hard hard no.

Is a lost clogger, may help us win 1-2 games then otherwise wouldn't and cost us draft order. Will take game time and centre bounces away from a McAullife or Sonsie.

Hard no.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hart4Jack on September 19, 2024, 08:16:55 PM
Hard no on Kennedy. Hard hard no.

Is a lost clogger, may help us win 1-2 games then otherwise wouldn't and cost us draft order. Will take game time and centre bounces away from a McAullife or Sonsie.

Hard no.


Is that a no,  are you sure?   :lol 
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on September 19, 2024, 09:13:11 PM
Hard no on Kennedy. Hard hard no.

Is a lost clogger, may help us win 1-2 games then otherwise wouldn't and cost us draft order. Will take game time and centre bounces away from a McAullife or Sonsie.

Hard no.


Is that a no,  are you sure?   :lol

Hardly... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on September 19, 2024, 09:32:05 PM
There’s no way he’d come here even if we would want him. Save it until 2027. :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 19, 2024, 09:42:16 PM
There’s no way he’d come here even if we would want him. Save it until 2027. :shh

Who? Kennedy? He’ll go to whatever club wants him, blues want him out.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: taztiger4 on September 19, 2024, 10:02:02 PM
Thoughts on Matt Kennedy.?

I don't even know if he is a fa but he is a lot better than Graham.

Wouldn't hurt for a few years

we bid on him (and Hipwood) before we settled on Daniel , but no thx
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on September 20, 2024, 07:35:29 AM
There’s no way he’d come here even if we would want him. Save it until 2027. :shh

Who? Kennedy? He’ll go to whatever club wants him, blues want him out.

Nope, I mean save expectations on ANYONE coming to us until 2027. We are an on field rabble at the moment and need to win games of football
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: eliminator on September 20, 2024, 07:55:32 AM
Agree club at the moment is not seen as a destination club
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on September 20, 2024, 11:37:39 AM
Correct, we are seen as a departure point for players
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: MintOnLamb on September 20, 2024, 12:29:47 PM
Agree club at the moment is not seen as a destination club
I think we are more of a destination club than Nth Or Adelaide or WCE
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 20, 2024, 03:04:30 PM
WCE and Adelaide will always be a lure for home grown players considering they are 2 horse towns.

Back on kennedy, this isn’t a situation of a player shopping himself around. This is one being told by his current team to find another club. He doesn’t have much stock as a 27 year old fairly 1 dimensional player and will likely have minimal interest.

I agree we are a bit of a rabble atm and can’t offer outside players much other than a far contract, but let’s not go overboard and think we can’t get any players in.

In this case, we shouldn’t be going after players of his profile anyway imo.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Wazza on September 20, 2024, 04:30:48 PM
Biggie delisted by north....should we look at him again?
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on September 20, 2024, 04:48:23 PM
Biggie delisted by north....should we look at him again?

Lol

No
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on September 20, 2024, 04:51:19 PM
Biggie delisted by north....should we look at him again?

Lol

No

Upgrade on Young... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on September 20, 2024, 07:24:24 PM
Biggie delisted by north....should we look at him again?

Lol

No

Upgrade on Young... :shh

Neither would be standout players in Div 2 VAFA....:shh :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on September 20, 2024, 08:28:38 PM
Biggie delisted by north....should we look at him again?

Lol

No

Upgrade on Young... :shh
Like saying  Jacinta Allen is an upgrade on Danny boy  :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hart4Jack on September 20, 2024, 09:41:34 PM
Biggie delisted by north....should we look at him again?

You crack me up.  :rollin
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Wazza on September 20, 2024, 09:44:09 PM
Biggie delisted by north....should we look at him again?

You crack me up.  :rollin


Here to please  :lol
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on September 22, 2024, 03:39:43 PM
Trading of picks is going to be interesting given from next year the value of draft picks will completely change.

(https://resources.afl.com.au/photo-resources/2024/09/19/d10f1025-493a-445b-a54b-b1a715b66da5/CurrentModel.jpg?width=1511)

(https://resources.afl.com.au/photo-resources/2024/09/19/d34947ae-dbf7-4e8e-995b-4c0fcfc56d45/NewModel.jpg?width=1511)

CLUBS with exciting Academy and father-son prospects for 2025 will be working through two different draft points models this AFL Trade Period as they prepare for next year.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1223455/the-draft-change-adding-another-element-to-upcoming-trade-frenzy
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on September 22, 2024, 08:06:18 PM
Dodged a bullet here in that we can use our many late draft picks to prop up Lions and GC points (possibly Carlton) to get their academy and father son selections.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on September 22, 2024, 11:48:38 PM
West Coast would want to choose its coach by the start of the trade period to ensure it doesn't compromise its plans including links to Tigers Liam Baker and Jack Graham.

It’s believed Eagles coaching contender Andrew McQualter’s relationships with the likes of Baker and Graham from his time as caretaker coach at Richmond could be key in West Coast’s pursuit of such names.

And can we completely put a line through them for West Australian-bound Shai Bolton?

“The interesting one is Liam Baker, we want to know whether he is going to get to West Coast, that will be fascinating to watch. Does Jack Graham get there? It could depend on who is the senior coach and whether ‘Mini’ McQualter gets that gig.

“Shai Bolton probably wants to go to the Dockers, but could the Eagles jump in at the last minute?”

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/department-of-trade/afl-2024-clubs-set-to-shape-trade-period-most-intriguing-teams-st-kilda-west-coast-adelaide-port-adelaide-geelong-hawthorn-bailey-smith-tom-barrass-latest-news-rumours-whispers/news-story/f1b4148e8f0c7977863dd8baa878f751
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on September 23, 2024, 12:17:44 PM
is it safe to assume Jack Graham is gone, we offered him an improved contract a while ago and has not signed. I'm assuming at best Jack is waiting to see who the coach is and baring not a shocking, he will ask for a trade?
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Willy on September 23, 2024, 02:30:59 PM
I reckon we should give McBean another go.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on September 23, 2024, 02:37:38 PM
is it safe to assume Jack Graham is gone, we offered him an improved contract a while ago and has not signed. I'm assuming at best Jack is waiting to see who the coach is and baring not a shocking, he will ask for a trade?

IMO he's clearly gone and I'm politely pleased about it
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on September 23, 2024, 05:25:09 PM
is it safe to assume Jack Graham is gone, we offered him an improved contract a while ago and has not signed. I'm assuming at best Jack is waiting to see who the coach is and baring not a shocking, he will ask for a trade?

There will be no trade

Unrestricted FA, just compo
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: lamington on September 23, 2024, 06:05:20 PM
I reckon we should give McBean another go.

I heard he repeatedly knocked back offers from afl clubs because he kinda hated the experience of being an afl listed player?
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on September 23, 2024, 07:35:39 PM
Ivan Soldo could be on his way out of Alberton just one year after his arrival.

Herald Sun journalist Jon Ralph reports Soldo is ‘keen’ to make his way to St Kilda in October, despite being contracted at Port through next season.

If a move to Moorabbin eventuates for the 28-year-old tapster, he would be aiding star tall Rowan Marshall under Ross Lyon.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/department-of-trade/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2024-geelong-cats-list-calls-mitch-duncan-gary-rohan-rhys-stanley-south-australian-clubs-targets-tom-campbell-could-join-melbourne/news-story/a6a01d8a78b781684556afd690d2723b
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 23, 2024, 07:53:02 PM
Ivan Soldo could be on his way out of Alberton just one year after his arrival.

Herald Sun journalist Jon Ralph reports Soldo is ‘keen’ to make his way to St Kilda in October, despite being contracted at Port through next season.

If a move to Moorabbin eventuates for the 28-year-old tapster, he would be aiding star tall Rowan Marshall under Ross Lyon.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/department-of-trade/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2024-geelong-cats-list-calls-mitch-duncan-gary-rohan-rhys-stanley-south-australian-clubs-targets-tom-campbell-could-join-melbourne/news-story/a6a01d8a78b781684556afd690d2723b

What do you think now Richmond?  :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on September 23, 2024, 07:53:43 PM
Dimma tonight on AFL360 said the Suns don't need first round picks. They want to bring in established players. So clearly a mix of their picks 6, 12 and 20 are on the table when it comes to trading for Dan Rioli.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Damo on September 23, 2024, 08:24:36 PM
Ivan Soldo could be on his way out of Alberton just one year after his arrival.

Herald Sun journalist Jon Ralph reports Soldo is ‘keen’ to make his way to St Kilda in October, despite being contracted at Port through next season.

If a move to Moorabbin eventuates for the 28-year-old tapster, he would be aiding star tall Rowan Marshall under Ross Lyon.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/department-of-trade/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2024-geelong-cats-list-calls-mitch-duncan-gary-rohan-rhys-stanley-south-australian-clubs-targets-tom-campbell-could-join-melbourne/news-story/a6a01d8a78b781684556afd690d2723b

What do you think now Richmond?  :lol :lol :lol

She was pure class
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: hammer76 on September 24, 2024, 09:04:27 AM
Dimma tonight on AFL360 said the Suns don't need first round picks. They want to bring in established players. So clearly a mix of their picks 6, 12 and 20 are on the table when it comes to trading for Dan Rioli.

be taking the whole 3 picks for Dan
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on September 24, 2024, 12:22:59 PM
Dimma tonight on AFL360 said the Suns don't need first round picks. They want to bring in established players. So clearly a mix of their picks 6, 12 and 20 are on the table when it comes to trading for Dan Rioli.

Send us all 3 Dimma and you'll be forgiven for the mare that was Hopper trade.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on September 24, 2024, 01:37:29 PM
Hopefully we can find another elite tagger to replace the irreplaceable Jack "CrowleyLibbaLing" Graham.... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on September 24, 2024, 02:38:59 PM
Heard we are definitely considering making a big play for Harley Reid, maybe this year but more likely next, especially if Balta leaves which will likely give us two picks in the top 5 (IE one from our ladder finish and one from compo. ) ....... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: camboon on September 24, 2024, 05:06:52 PM
Sounds like someone is having a lend of you, I will believe that one if I see him at a press conference with a Richmond jumper on , he just signed up again with WC
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on September 24, 2024, 06:08:50 PM
Sounds like someone is having a lend of you, I will believe that one if I see him at a press conference with a Richmond jumper on , he just signed up again with WC

No he hasn't and from all reports is in no rush..... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Simonator on September 24, 2024, 06:39:21 PM
I’ve a source at WCE who says he will move on from the club most likely end of next year. Hasn’t said where to though
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on September 24, 2024, 06:51:06 PM
I’ve a source at WCE who says he will move on from the club most likely end of next year. Hasn’t said where to though

Every Vic club will be after him & probably the Swans as well - but my uneducated guess would be;

- If it's about lifestyle & love for club - Geelong

 - If it's about crowds and who's closest to flags- Hawthorn or Carlton

- If it's about crowds, bargaining power, trade capital, long term vision & security - us..... :shh


Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 24, 2024, 07:12:46 PM
I’ve a source at WCE who says he will move on from the club most likely end of next year. Hasn’t said where to though

Every Vic club will be after him & probably the Swans as well - but my uneducated guess would be;

- If it's about lifestyle & love for club - Geelong

 - If it's about crowds and who's closest to flags- Hawthorn or Carlton

- If it's about crowds, bargaining power, trade capital, long term vision & security - us..... :shh

If we win the spoon next year and balta leaves as a free agent would you be trading pick 1 and 2 for him? Seems like an almighty unprecedented draft capital to give up. Even if you classify Reid as a 10/10 prospect, surely grabbing the top 2 kids in the country serves us better. Besides isnt there someone in next years draft that you rate as a similar level of talent as Reid?
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on September 24, 2024, 07:47:31 PM
I’ve a source at WCE who says he will move on from the club most likely end of next year. Hasn’t said where to though

Every Vic club will be after him & probably the Swans as well - but my uneducated guess would be;

- If it's about lifestyle & love for club - Geelong

 - If it's about crowds and who's closest to flags- Hawthorn or Carlton

- If it's about crowds, bargaining power, trade capital, long term vision & security - us..... :shh

If we win the spoon next year and balta leaves as a free agent would you be trading pick 1 and 2 for him? Seems like an almighty unprecedented draft capital to give up. Even if you classify Reid as a 10/10 prospect, surely grabbing the top 2 kids in the country serves us better. Besides isnt there someone in next years draft that you rate as a similar level of talent as Reid?

Sharp is a clear stand out at this stage - doesn't mean he's a once in a generation type like Reid..more a stand out like Walsh and JHF were in their years as opposed to this year when you can throw a blanket over half a dozen blokes -he may be better than all of them but unlikely as good as Reid.....and who said we'd necessarily have to give up both picks? There's future firsts -including trading 2 years in advance allowed from next year- seconds, steak knives like Miller, Blight, Green or whoever.... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on September 25, 2024, 09:25:24 AM
I’ve a source at WCE who says he will move on from the club most likely end of next year. Hasn’t said where to though

Well we have lots of TPP space.

EBA increase.

Just offer him 10 years for about $15mil.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: pmac21 on September 25, 2024, 02:25:31 PM
Some of these you tube idiots have NFI. 
Looking at one now we lose Rioli, Bolton & Baker for 3, 11 & 14. 
Throw in 2 extra picks and we're close.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on September 25, 2024, 03:04:16 PM
Some of these you tube idiots have NFI. 
Looking at one now we lose Rioli, Bolton & Baker for 3, 11 & 14. 
Throw in 2 extra picks and we're close.

Given that 3 is in there I'm actually not too far off on that one. Needs a bit more work to satisfy me but it's not a bad start.

3 is a good pick probably for either Bolton or Rioli.

14 is overs for Baker.

11 unders for either Bolton or Rioli.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on September 25, 2024, 03:17:27 PM
lmao thank stuff some of you aren't involved in our list management. Even taking Baker out of the equation - if that's all we accepted for two of our best players, one in career best form and the other about to hit their prime with the potential to be the best player in the comp. and both still under contract not just for just for 1 or 2 years but 3 & 4 years respectively - then Hartley should be lynched and Punt Road burnt to the stuffing ground. stuff me drunk..... :facepalm
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Francois Jackson on September 25, 2024, 06:02:17 PM
Some of these you tube idiots have NFI. 
Looking at one now we lose Rioli, Bolton & Baker for 3, 11 & 14. 
Throw in 2 extra picks and we're close.

Given that 3 is in there I'm actually not too far off on that one. Needs a bit more work to satisfy me but it's not a bad start.

3 is a good pick probably for either Bolton or Rioli.

14 is overs for Baker.

11 unders for either Bolton or Rioli.

you have said this a few times, and im trying to understand the logic that baker is not worth 14 which really is 16 after barrass, levi and Battle. :banghead

also is that pick 3 on its own you are suggesting is okay on its own for bolton or rioli, in a strong top 15 draft?

lets be clear we hold all the cards, not the other way around. Baker can walk but he wont, and that hawthorn pick will have to do as its likely to come to us for him.

as for the rest. We should be asking for freos first 2 picks in this draft,(their own and the pies) and ideally we move up on our second pick to swap with their 16.

Suns need to get creative as those first 2 picks are not acceptable for Dan. Furthermore, the hopper and idiot tax should be applied to Dimma in all transactions.

Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on September 25, 2024, 10:49:08 PM
Some of these you tube idiots have NFI. 
Looking at one now we lose Rioli, Bolton & Baker for 3, 11 & 14. 
Throw in 2 extra picks and we're close.

Given that 3 is in there I'm actually not too far off on that one. Needs a bit more work to satisfy me but it's not a bad start.

3 is a good pick probably for either Bolton or Rioli.

14 is overs for Baker.

11 unders for either Bolton or Rioli.

you have said this a few times, and im trying to understand the logic that baker is not worth 14 which really is 16 after barrass, levi and Battle. :banghead

also is that pick 3 on its own you are suggesting is okay on its own for bolton or rioli, in a strong top 15 draft?

lets be clear we hold all the cards, not the other way around. Baker can walk but he wont, and that hawthorn pick will have to do as its likely to come to us for him.

as for the rest. We should be asking for freos first 2 picks in this draft,(their own and the pies) and ideally we move up on our second pick to swap with their 16.

Suns need to get creative as those first 2 picks are not acceptable for Dan. Furthermore, the hopper and idiot tax should be applied to Dimma in all transactions.



I just don't think Baker is worth quite that much or maybe 14 sliding to 16 is about right but I'd consider that a decent deal for us.

Pick 3 is a good pick to have because even if the top 10 and then 11-30 are largely even it gives us the opportunity to draft the two players we want to pair up together for the future.

And as I said I don't think it's far off. Not saying it's perfect.

I expect to pay some of Rioli and Bolton wages though which should improve our return and at those picks I wouldn't be paying them poo.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: cub on September 26, 2024, 09:01:24 AM
So when do we find out all these movement delisting's etc
Yeah I don't pay that much attention bar game day  :lol
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Loui Tufga on September 26, 2024, 09:26:29 AM
It all starts Monday the 7th of October, hold onto your hats folks :pray
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Francois Jackson on September 26, 2024, 09:37:17 AM
Some of these you tube idiots have NFI. 
Looking at one now we lose Rioli, Bolton & Baker for 3, 11 & 14. 
Throw in 2 extra picks and we're close.

Given that 3 is in there I'm actually not too far off on that one. Needs a bit more work to satisfy me but it's not a bad start.

3 is a good pick probably for either Bolton or Rioli.

14 is overs for Baker.

11 unders for either Bolton or Rioli.

you have said this a few times, and im trying to understand the logic that baker is not worth 14 which really is 16 after barrass, levi and Battle. :banghead

also is that pick 3 on its own you are suggesting is okay on its own for bolton or rioli, in a strong top 15 draft?

lets be clear we hold all the cards, not the other way around. Baker can walk but he wont, and that hawthorn pick will have to do as its likely to come to us for him.

as for the rest. We should be asking for freos first 2 picks in this draft,(their own and the pies) and ideally we move up on our second pick to swap with their 16.

Suns need to get creative as those first 2 picks are not acceptable for Dan. Furthermore, the hopper and idiot tax should be applied to Dimma in all transactions.



I just don't think Baker is worth quite that much or maybe 14 sliding to 16 is about right but I'd consider that a decent deal for us.

Pick 3 is a good pick to have because even if the top 10 and then 11-30 are largely even it gives us the opportunity to draft the two players we want to pair up together for the future.

And as I said I don't think it's far off. Not saying it's perfect.

I expect to pay some of Rioli and Bolton wages though which should improve our return and at those picks I wouldn't be paying them poo.

well i dont agree Andy, not even in the slightest. That pairing up rubbish is working for the suns well? We are not the suns and our home is the mcg. We wont have FOS or Jagga deflecting anytime soon, because we only selected one of them.

IMV you only pair up if you think you can have the best 2 absolute best players in the draft, which from all reports could be anyone in that top 10.

Paying their wages is of little consequence IMO. I would pay 50% of it, if it meant we can screw these clubs over an additional top 10 pick. Reason is we havent got anyone else to absorb the rest of our cap now have we, with the exception of Balta.


Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on September 26, 2024, 12:56:17 PM
Trade update - Gettable

Rioli to GC: Pick 6 will be involved. Possibility of another pick if we have our way.

Baker: Freo willing to offer pick 10. WC still have 3 on the table if we can pry it out.

Shai: Will get to Freo. 2 1sts will do it.

Graham: 50/50

Gettable podcast AFL website.
https://x.com/RFC_Centre/status/1838834326575665353
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: OneEyedRichmond on September 26, 2024, 01:22:51 PM
Trade update - Gettable

Rioli to GC: Pick 6 will be involved. Possibility of another pick if we have our way.

Baker: Freo willing to offer pick 10. WC still have 3 on the table if we can pry it out.

Shai: Will get to Freo. 2 1sts will do it.

Graham: 50/50

Gettable podcast AFL website.
https://x.com/RFC_Centre/status/1838834326575665353

Baker and 12 to WCE for pick 3… Barass pick no longer in play as club views it as not enough
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Willy on September 26, 2024, 01:54:37 PM
Would take 10 for Bakes.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: OneEyedRichmond on September 26, 2024, 02:50:45 PM
Would take 10 for Bakes.

Pick 9 & 10 are for Bolton 😉
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on September 26, 2024, 08:43:22 PM
I think 3 and 12/13 for Baker is both fair and delicious.
Would think it’s possible to trade Rioli for 6,12 and 20 for our 29,39,41 and 47 as those points should land them Lombard
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Damo on September 26, 2024, 09:46:35 PM
I think 3 and 12/13 for Baker is both fair and delicious.

If you were WCE would you think that’s fair?

How ridiculous

stuff me, why not get them to throw Reid and a couple of other guns in as steak knives   :sarcasm
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: camboon on September 26, 2024, 11:13:39 PM
More likely to be 3 with later first back, deep draft  and Bo Allen likely to be there, they would take that imho.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on September 27, 2024, 05:10:05 AM
I think 3 and 12/13 for Baker is both fair and delicious.

If you were WCE would you think that’s fair?

How ridiculous

stuff me, why not get them to throw Reid and a couple of other guns in as steak knives   :sarcasm

It’s in the press as being on the table. I think they wanted 9 or 10 and quoted by Don Pyke so hardly ridiculous. Do some research and you can send my apology in the mail. :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Damo on September 27, 2024, 05:50:45 AM
I think 3 and 12/13 for Baker is both fair and delicious.

If you were WCE would you think that’s fair?

How ridiculous

stuff me, why not get them to throw Reid and a couple of other guns in as steak knives   :sarcasm

It’s in the press as being on the table. I think they wanted 9 or 10 and quoted by Don Pyke so hardly ridiculous. Do some research and you can send my apology in the mail. :shh

You have said 3 AND 12/13

Not 3 and we give WCE 12/13

So yeah , don’t stress about the forthcoming apology
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on September 27, 2024, 09:27:18 AM
So Bolton + Baker for 3 + 9 (slide to 11)?

Not terrible.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on September 27, 2024, 09:28:57 AM
6 is a must in the Rioli deal and I'd want 20 as well at least.

Compo for Graham 22.

So draft with 1, 3, 6, 9, 21, 22 or whatever.

Still got picks to trade out - look at GCS for Lombard maybe and get their other 1st.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hart4Jack on September 27, 2024, 10:42:59 AM
So Bolton + Baker for 3 + 9 (slide to 11)?

Not terrible.
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Not terrible!!!   You're kidding, there's no way that acceptable, not at all.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 27, 2024, 01:12:28 PM
So Bolton + Baker for 3 + 9 (slide to 11)?

Not terrible.

Bolton to freo for pick 9 and 10, anything less than that is unacceptable and he should be held to his contract if that isn’t the offer. We will likely be paying plenty of salary but even if not he is well worth that, especially to a team like freo who are just treading water atm as great pretenders.

Baker to WCE for their pick 13 (barrass trade).

So Bolton and Baker should net us 9, 10 & 13 from the Perth clubs before taking into account academy and father son sliding.

Are you suggesting we trade 10 and baker to WCE for pick 3? If that’s the case I’m asking for a pick back from them as well.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on September 27, 2024, 02:14:33 PM
So Bolton + Baker for 3 + 9 (slide to 11)?

Not terrible.

Bolton to freo for pick 9 and 10, anything less than that is unacceptable and he should be held to his contract if that isn’t the offer. We will likely be paying plenty of salary but even if not he is well worth that, especially to a team like freo who are just treading water atm as great pretenders.

Baker to WCE for their pick 13 (barrass trade).

So Bolton and Baker should net us 9, 10 & 13 from the Perth clubs before taking into account academy and father son sliding.

Are you suggesting we trade 10 and baker to WCE for pick 3? If that’s the case I’m asking for a pick back from them as well.

Yeah sorry I thought the discussion about Baker + 12 was actually Freo's 10 sliding to 12, used with Baker to get 3 from WCE.

I'd rather their 3 than 12 which will slide to 14-15.

So if we get Bolton to Freo for 9+10 which both slide 2 spots at least, I'd consider Baker + 10(12) for 3 with something coming back.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on September 27, 2024, 02:30:09 PM
We wouldn't be letting -nay encouraging- contracted players of the caliber of Bolton & Rioli to leave if we didn't think we could extract absolute maximum value for them...it's been planned for months..... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 27, 2024, 04:46:32 PM
IMO

9 and 10 for Bolton is fair.

I think 6 and 12 for Rioli is overs but I’m not complaining lol

13 for bakes is fair too.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: OneEyedRichmond on September 27, 2024, 06:00:03 PM
We wouldn't be letting -nay encouraging- contracted players of the caliber of Bolton & Rioli to leave if we didn't think we could extract absolute maximum value for them...it's been planned for months..... :shh

Hence.. deals are done 😉
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on September 27, 2024, 07:54:59 PM
Fremantle will offer two first-rounders for Shai Bolton, but not picks 9 and 10 given it is still holding out hope it might secure fellow Tiger Liam Baker.

https://x.com/codeaflau/status/1839581945946361946
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 27, 2024, 08:28:37 PM
Fremantle will offer two first-rounders for Shai Bolton, but not picks 9 and 10 given it is still holding out hope it might secure fellow Tiger Liam Baker.

https://x.com/codeaflau/status/1839581945946361946

No worries, you’ll get neither then.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Francois Jackson on September 28, 2024, 07:22:23 AM
I've read a few times we are linked to Hobbs.

Surely not, seems like  a dud to me, and one that is on a contract.

Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Wazza on September 28, 2024, 08:02:42 AM
I've read a few times we are linked to Hobbs.

Surely not, seems like  a dud to me, and one that is on a contract.

Allegedly Hobbs is the the GF sprint, so at least we can see how slow he really is  :rollin
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on September 28, 2024, 08:54:04 AM
I've read a few times we are linked to Hobbs.

Surely not, seems like  a dud to me, and one that is on a contract.

I know I'm in the minority,  perhaps even the only one  ;D but I see alot of upside in Hobbs. His first season was very good, he has great hands for an inside mid (when they've bothered to play him there) and as we know you don't have to be super quick as an inside mid  :clapping
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: MintOnLamb on September 28, 2024, 12:00:23 PM
I've read a few times we are linked to Hobbs.

Surely not, seems like  a dud to me, and one that is on a contract.

I know I'm in the minority,  perhaps even the only one  ;D bit I see alot of upside in Hobbs. His first season was very good, he has great hands for an inside mid (when they've bothered to play him there) and as we know you don't have to be super quick for an inside mid  :clapping
We have Ross, who is better than Hobbs
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on September 28, 2024, 12:19:21 PM
I've read a few times we are linked to Hobbs.

Surely not, seems like  a dud to me, and one that is on a contract.

I know I'm in the minority,  perhaps even the only one  ;D bit I see alot of upside in Hobbs. His first season was very good, he has great hands for an inside mid (when they've bothered to play him there) and as we know you don't have to be super quick for an inside mid  :clapping

I would generally not ever write off any player 3, even 4 years into the system. Particularly if they rated highly at under age level.
There’s a heap of premiership players who came from other clubs like our captain and recruited as rookies
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on September 28, 2024, 02:05:40 PM

We have Ross, who is better than Hobbs

One would hope so

Seeing one was drafted in 2018, the other in 2021
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: mightytiges on September 28, 2024, 02:22:56 PM
IMO

9 and 10 for Bolton is fair.

I think 6 and 12 for Rioli is overs but I’m not complaining lol

13 for bakes is fair too.
Receive pick 22 as compo for Graham and that would give us picks 1, 6, 9, 10, 12, 13, 21, 22.

Hopefully, we can trade our bunch of latter picks for yet another first rounder with a club that needs the draft points for their academy/FS kid.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on September 28, 2024, 06:42:05 PM
Heard the Swans list manager just rang Hartley enquiring about Lynch.... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 29, 2024, 12:00:39 AM
IMO

9 and 10 for Bolton is fair.

I think 6 and 12 for Rioli is overs but I’m not complaining lol

13 for bakes is fair too.
Receive pick 22 as compo for Graham and that would give us picks 1, 6, 9, 10, 12, 13, 21, 22.

Hopefully, we can trade our bunch of latter picks for yet another first rounder with a club that needs the draft points for their academy/FS kid.

I think the graham compo will be end of second round and imo again fair enough.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Francois Jackson on September 29, 2024, 08:17:11 AM
Heard the Swans list manager just rang Hartley enquiring about Lynch.... :shh

dusty also.

re: lynch they would be stupiud not to, and given how we butchered his body then he would be stuipid not to consider.

Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: camboon on September 29, 2024, 08:50:48 AM
I took that as a joke considering Sydney’s key forwards went missing in the GF
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Francois Jackson on September 29, 2024, 09:45:12 AM
Of course it's a joke, but as I said they would be stupid to not ask the question of either.

They are a shambles and can continue to fail, or try and recruit some people who actually win flags.

Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on September 29, 2024, 10:06:38 AM
As I said in the Jack Graham thread with all these rumours flying, it's going to be interesting on Tuesday night
 :rollin
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on September 29, 2024, 11:25:32 AM
Looks like someone has heard about a re-signing set to be announced
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on September 29, 2024, 12:45:51 PM
Looks like someone has heard about a re-signing set to be announced

No I haven't

And I'm not going but have number of friends who are  :shh :whistle

Just think it's going to be a very interesting night.

Think about it...

The likely winner or at least top 3 finsher wants out,

the winner of the Roach medal wants out,

the VC and Iikely top 10 finsher wants out,

this site's favourite whipping boy is currently unsigned

We have multiple players still unsigned for next season

Every player has to be there, though I don't expect Dusty to show, so just think it will be an interesting evening
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Damo on September 29, 2024, 01:11:59 PM
this site's favourite whipping boy is currently unsigned

Incorrect

https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1602904/ralphsmith-locked-in-for-two-more
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on September 29, 2024, 01:26:36 PM
this site's favourite whipping boy is currently unsigned

Incorrect

https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1602904/ralphsmith-locked-in-for-two-more

Would argue Hugo has been overtaken by a bloke called Jack
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Damo on September 29, 2024, 01:43:42 PM
this site's favourite whipping boy is currently unsigned

Incorrect

https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1602904/ralphsmith-locked-in-for-two-more

Would argue Hugo has been overtaken by a bloke called Jack

Nah
Hugo is clearly the number one whipping boy
It’s just that when it comes to Jack Graham you are very defensive and there is a clear bias

Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on September 29, 2024, 01:58:35 PM

Nah
Hugo is clearly the number one whipping boy
It’s just that when it comes to Jack Graham you are very defensive and there is a clear bias

Have to respectfully disagree, reading some of the comments this year in Graham thread it is hard not to believe he is number 1 whipping boy. Say it for 2 reasons, firstly even when he played well this season he was criticised, appeared no matter how he played the same posters went whackety, whack, whack

2ndly,  any poster who happened to give him credit or defend him got (by some) belittled or in some cases trolled.

As for being defensive,  no, frustrated most definitely see my comments above. Just reckon he's copped it unfairly quite alot in season 2024
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on September 29, 2024, 02:23:27 PM
Heard the Swans list manager just rang Hartley enquiring about Lynch.... :shh

dusty also.

re: lynch they would be stupiud not to, and given how we butchered his body then he would be stuipid not to consider.

Could also be heading back up to Qld now it looks like Smokin' Joe's hanging up the boots..... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on September 29, 2024, 11:21:12 PM
Every AFL club’s targets, exits and picks to use in deals — Mega trade state of play

Dylan Bolch and Jack Jovanovski
Fox Sports
September 29th, 2024 9:19 pm


RICHMOND

Players that could leave

Richmond could be the busiest club in the competition come October’s movement period, with a host of departures expected. It is fait accompli that Liam Baker and Shai Bolton will return to Western Australia — Baker still hasn’t decided on the Eagles or Dockers, while Bolton is all but certain to become a Fremantle player. Daniel Rioli will reunite with Damien Hardwick in Carrara, while Jack Graham is weighing up four-year contract offers from the Eagles and Tigers. Both Baker and Graham are said to be waiting to see who the Eagles hire as their new senior coach before coming to final decisions. Kamdyn McIntosh, Noah Cumberland, Thomson Dow, Matt Coulthard, Mate Colina and Oliver Hayes-Brown remain without contracts for next season. Dustin Martin, Dylan Grimes, Marlion Pickett and Sam Naismith retired, though Martin has shockingly ‘reached out’ to Gold Coast about the possibility of playing there in 2025.

Players that could arrive

Richmond’s list boss Blair Hartley has a host of crucial negotiations to navigate ahead of this November’s evenly spread draft, where the Tigers are anticipated to make numerous top-end selections amid a list rehaul. The Tigers have retained premiership veteran Dion Prestia on a one-year deal. Essendon midfielders Ben Hobbs and Elijah Tsatas have been touted as the sort of players the Tigers might target this off-season, but there are no concrete links between the club and either player.

Who’s already gone

Dylan Grimes (retired), Dustin Martin (retired), Sam Naismith (retired), Marlion Pickett (retired)

Draft picks

1, 21, 29, 39, 41, 47, 57, 66, 72

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-2024-every-clubs-trade-state-of-play-contracts-out-of-contract-players-free-agents-analysis-latest-news/news-story/53cb6e6a059c2e096694beef4fb9bbcf
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on September 29, 2024, 11:23:56 PM
Richmond and GCS have verbally agreed that pick 6 will be involved in the Rioli deal.

Richmond will continue to push for more but a great first step. Later picks or future picks may need to be involved if GCS will part with another top 20 pick.

-----

Richmond are one of the clubs James Peatling has met with.

From what I’ve been told he’s taking into account of contract security, clubs that offer longer deals will appeal a lot more.

https://x.com/CameronHicks__

ps. Tom Morris tonight on Ch 9 said Peatling has met with Melbourne based clubs.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on September 29, 2024, 11:27:18 PM
2024 AFL Trade Rumours, Speculation, News & More! Part 6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwloKSROmzs


Apparently, a Tiger supporter too. Said we should go after Parfitt as our midfield is the worst in the comp. Also, that we have the salary cap space to offer Peatling more than what GWS are and play him on the wing/midfield.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on September 30, 2024, 07:25:58 AM
If Horse ends up at West Coast then I imagine Bakes and Graham will hitch their wagons that side of the wild west….
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on September 30, 2024, 02:28:44 PM
Shai Bolton, nothing has changed. He wants to get back to WA. He won't nominate a club, he just wants to play for either team next year."

- @tommorris32

Source: AFL Trade Radio
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on September 30, 2024, 03:45:20 PM
Shai Bolton, nothing has changed. He wants to get back to WA. He won't nominate a club, he just wants to play for either team next year."

- @tommorris32

Source: AFL Trade Radio

Like many at @Richmond_FC, Shai Bolton has an excellent relationship with Andrew McQualter… But the @freodockers remain his likely landing spot thanks to their haul of draft picks.

He won’t be nominating a club. It will come down to which of the WA teams can offer the Tigers the best deal.

@FootyonNine @traderadio

Source: Tom Morris twitter
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on September 30, 2024, 11:04:45 PM
Harley in play...watch this space...... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on September 30, 2024, 11:13:32 PM
Suspect Bolton 100% wants freo regardless of what gets out out in the media. But if west coast want to come to the table then pick 3 and 13 will do just fine. They’d be stupid to do that imo considering where their list is at but I’m not complaining lol. Wouldn’t leave them anything attractive enough to give us for baker though other than 2025 picks.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on October 01, 2024, 01:17:22 AM
The Rumour Mill - Daily Recap ..... Jack Martin, Shai Bolton, Future Pick Swaps, And Much More

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/KIcp3EVK0go/maxresdefault.jpg) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIcp3EVK0go)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIcp3EVK0go
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: OneEyedRichmond on October 01, 2024, 05:36:38 AM
Harley in play...watch this space...... :shh

Umm .. not happening
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on October 01, 2024, 09:22:26 AM
3, 13 + F1 for Bolton + Baker would probably need something going back IMO but I'd do it. They will still suck next year and their 1st would be very useful.

However they'd be foolish to trade either 3 or F1 at all.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 01, 2024, 04:41:22 PM
3, 13 + F1 for Bolton + Baker would probably need something going back IMO but I'd do it. They will still suck next year and their 1st would be very useful.

However they'd be foolish to trade either 3 or F1 at all.

That would be mighty unwise of them to give up their top 3 picks across the next 2 drafts given where their list is at. You’d rip their arm off if they did offer it though.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on October 01, 2024, 06:28:28 PM
Snip! Leave out the sniping and insults  >:(.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on October 02, 2024, 05:21:35 PM
"James Peatling - He is a wanted man. Giants have upped the offer to 4-years. The Giants are hopeful this is done by the best and fairest tonight.

Adelaide, Collingwood, Richmond, St Kilda are all still keen. I don't know where he ends up, but the Giants are hopeful."

- Tom Morris on James Peatling.

https://x.com/traderadio/status/1841315188261429393
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on October 02, 2024, 06:02:36 PM
Unless they share their name with a motorcycle, no trading in players....DFA's only if we must and just hit the draft until '26 at least....... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hart4Jack on October 02, 2024, 07:36:25 PM
Unless they share their name with a motorcycle, no trading in players....DFA's only if we must and just hit the draft until '26 at least....... :shh


How about Tim Kawasaki, I've heard he goes ok  ;D
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 02, 2024, 09:51:16 PM
Trade predictions:

Liam Baker
Personally think Pick 13 for Baker won't happen on its own. I would be blown away if Eagles entertain trading Pick 3. Absolute madness. Only reason would be that they are keen on homeboy Bo Allen who is a mid to late first rounder instead. So Trade Pick 3 for Pick 10 and Baker. So they get Allen and Baker for Pick 3. I can't see it happening.
Prediction:
Baker to WCE
Richmond In: Pick 13
Richmond Out: Baker and Pick 41 (originally recieved from West Coast)

Daniel Rioli
Gold Coast will give up whatever we ask, I think there is a limit and that will come down to what GC are keen on regarding points for Lombard. GC will happily go into next year with just Rioli and Lombard. They don't need any more developmental players. They may be hard to deal with if they need their picks to acquire other players. So we may end up doing Pick 6 and a future 1st rather than Pick 6 and 12, as they may choose to trade 12 for another player. I think with Daniel being contracted and us playing hard ball enough along with some pick steak knives. A few mention that GC don't need points for Lombard as they have heaps anyway. They do but they also have picks around the spot he will be bidded on, which is fine but to take advantage of it they should be trading those picks away for players and then picking up Lombard with an array of late picks as points. They'll trade Pick 6 and 12, just a matter if they choose to use it on another player, which I think would be unlikely as they won't risk on losing out on Rioli. Pick and 12 to come our way.
Prediction:
Rioli to GC
Richmond In: Pick 6, 12
Richmond Out: Rioli, Pick 57 and 66

Shai Bolton
I can actually see Shai staying and us stuffing up this trade. Freo doesn't give me much confidence. We will play hard ball for Picks 9 and 10. Freo will want something back which I would think Pick 47 would be what we'd be at most willing to offer to get the deal done. Anything higher, we say see ya later Freo. Which I'd then be looking at West Coast and see if they'd trade Pick 3 for Bolton and Pick 29. I'll go with Freo needing Bolton as they are in the window and are crying out for a Bolton type player.
Prediction:
Bolton to Freo
Richmond In: Pick 9 annd Pick 10
Richmond Out: Bolton, Pick 47
2024 Trade Predictions
In: Picks: 6, 9, 10, 12, 13
Out: Baker, Rioli, Baker, Picks: 41, 47, 57, 66

2024 Draft Hand
Picks: 1, 6, 9, 10, 12, 13, 21, 29, 39, 72

Pick 72 to be used for a PSD pick.
9 picks in total, 3 top 10s, 6 first rounders. Exceptional hand to begin the foundations of a next premiership side.
1, 6 and 9 to be used on the gun midfield class (Preference: Jagga Smith, Sam Lalor, Josh Smillie)
Pick 10-13 to be used on key position (Preference: Harry Armstrong, Luke Trainor, Jobe Shanahan)
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: camboon on October 02, 2024, 10:18:30 PM
Good summary , just add pick 22 or 40 for Graham
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on October 02, 2024, 10:19:44 PM
Trade predictions:

Liam Baker
Personally think Pick 13 for Baker won't happen on its own. I would be blown away if Eagles entertain trading Pick 3. Absolute madness. Only reason would be that they are keen on homeboy Bo Allen who is a mid to late first rounder instead. So Trade Pick 3 for Pick 10 and Baker. So they get Allen and Baker for Pick 3. I can't see it happening.
Prediction:
Baker to WCE
Richmond In: Pick 13
Richmond Out: Baker and Pick 41 (originally recieved from West Coast)

Daniel Rioli
Gold Coast will give up whatever we ask, I think there is a limit and that will come down to what GC are keen on regarding points for Lombard. GC will happily go into next year with just Rioli and Lombard. They don't need any more developmental players. They may be hard to deal with if they need their picks to acquire other players. So we may end up doing Pick 6 and a future 1st rather than Pick 6 and 12, as they may choose to trade 12 for another player. I think with Daniel being contracted and us playing hard ball enough along with some pick steak knives. A few mention that GC don't need points for Lombard as they have heaps anyway. They do but they also have picks around the spot he will be bidded on, which is fine but to take advantage of it they should be trading those picks away for players and then picking up Lombard with an array of late picks as points. They'll trade Pick 6 and 12, just a matter if they choose to use it on another player, which I think would be unlikely as they won't risk on losing out on Rioli. Pick and 12 to come our way.
Prediction:
Rioli to GC
Richmond In: Pick 6, 12
Richmond Out: Rioli, Pick 57 and 66

Shai Bolton
I can actually see Shai staying and us stuffing up this trade. Freo doesn't give me much confidence. We will play hard ball for Picks 9 and 10. Freo will want something back which I would think Pick 47 would be what we'd be at most willing to offer to get the deal done. Anything higher, we say see ya later Freo. Which I'd then be looking at West Coast and see if they'd trade Pick 3 for Bolton and Pick 29. I'll go with Freo needing Bolton as they are in the window and are crying out for a Bolton type player.
Prediction:
Bolton to Freo
Richmond In: Pick 9 annd Pick 10
Richmond Out: Bolton, Pick 47
2024 Trade Predictions
In: Picks: 6, 9, 10, 12, 13
Out: Baker, Rioli, Baker, Picks: 41, 47, 57, 66

2024 Draft Hand
Picks: 1, 6, 9, 10, 12, 13, 21, 29, 39, 72

Pick 72 to be used for a PSD pick.
9 picks in total, 3 top 10s, 6 first rounders. Exceptional hand to begin the foundations of a next premiership side.
1, 6 and 9 to be used on the gun midfield class (Preference: Jagga Smith, Sam Lalor, Josh Smillie)
Pick 10-13 to be used on key position (Preference: Harry Armstrong, Luke Trainor, Jobe Shanahan)

So basically you think we'll either get nothing for Graham or keep him and we'll turn around and just give up all those late picks that we traded for in order to trade to teams with f/s & academy picks? :propeller


Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 02, 2024, 10:33:44 PM
Trade predictions:

Liam Baker
Personally think Pick 13 for Baker won't happen on its own. I would be blown away if Eagles entertain trading Pick 3. Absolute madness. Only reason would be that they are keen on homeboy Bo Allen who is a mid to late first rounder instead. So Trade Pick 3 for Pick 10 and Baker. So they get Allen and Baker for Pick 3. I can't see it happening.
Prediction:
Baker to WCE
Richmond In: Pick 13
Richmond Out: Baker and Pick 41 (originally recieved from West Coast)

Daniel Rioli
Gold Coast will give up whatever we ask, I think there is a limit and that will come down to what GC are keen on regarding points for Lombard. GC will happily go into next year with just Rioli and Lombard. They don't need any more developmental players. They may be hard to deal with if they need their picks to acquire other players. So we may end up doing Pick 6 and a future 1st rather than Pick 6 and 12, as they may choose to trade 12 for another player. I think with Daniel being contracted and us playing hard ball enough along with some pick steak knives. A few mention that GC don't need points for Lombard as they have heaps anyway. They do but they also have picks around the spot he will be bidded on, which is fine but to take advantage of it they should be trading those picks away for players and then picking up Lombard with an array of late picks as points. They'll trade Pick 6 and 12, just a matter if they choose to use it on another player, which I think would be unlikely as they won't risk on losing out on Rioli. Pick and 12 to come our way.
Prediction:
Rioli to GC
Richmond In: Pick 6, 12
Richmond Out: Rioli, Pick 57 and 66

Shai Bolton
I can actually see Shai staying and us stuffing up this trade. Freo doesn't give me much confidence. We will play hard ball for Picks 9 and 10. Freo will want something back which I would think Pick 47 would be what we'd be at most willing to offer to get the deal done. Anything higher, we say see ya later Freo. Which I'd then be looking at West Coast and see if they'd trade Pick 3 for Bolton and Pick 29. I'll go with Freo needing Bolton as they are in the window and are crying out for a Bolton type player.
Prediction:
Bolton to Freo
Richmond In: Pick 9 annd Pick 10
Richmond Out: Bolton, Pick 47
2024 Trade Predictions
In: Picks: 6, 9, 10, 12, 13
Out: Baker, Rioli, Baker, Picks: 41, 47, 57, 66

2024 Draft Hand
Picks: 1, 6, 9, 10, 12, 13, 21, 29, 39, 72

Pick 72 to be used for a PSD pick.
9 picks in total, 3 top 10s, 6 first rounders. Exceptional hand to begin the foundations of a next premiership side.
1, 6 and 9 to be used on the gun midfield class (Preference: Jagga Smith, Sam Lalor, Josh Smillie)
Pick 10-13 to be used on key position (Preference: Harry Armstrong, Luke Trainor, Jobe Shanahan)

So basically you think we'll either get nothing for Graham or keep him and we'll turn around just give up all those late picks that we traded for in order to bid on f/s & academy picks? :propeller

Maybe read the post more carefully, Graham is a free agent, the post was trade predictions.

Again..
If you read the post carefully you'll see I've counted those picks we acquired and traded them to GC for points they'll need for Lombard.

Blues won't give up a first rounder for Camporeale points, which is what wee be interested in. They are rated 2nd and 3rd rounders, which they'll have enough points for.

Lions on other hand need assistance and may exchange some picks. They'll need more points then we can offer. But dealing with GC anyway with Rioli we are likely to deal with them first and facilitating with 3 trades, Lions will have 16 other clubs offering them points deals during that time. Can see us just focussing on GC points.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 02, 2024, 10:44:09 PM
Adding on to the draft preferences. These boys would be the core of the rebuild

D: Trainor (18), Gibcus (20), Brown (20)
M: Smith (18), Smillie (18), Lalor (18), McAullife (19)
F: Armstrong (18), Shanahan (18), Clarke (20)

Chuck in your Balta (25), Sonsie (20), HRS (22), Campbell (19) and Picks 21, 29 and 39 and 2025 1st and 2nd pick.

Nail some rookies and free agents and the rebuild won't be a long multiple windows one, however the development of these boys might take a while. In particular the KP.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 02, 2024, 10:47:29 PM
Would take those in a heartbeat lol

I don’t think we should have to give anything back for baker or bolts because I feel 13 and 9 & 10 (with salary contributions) is fair, but if we’re only giving up picks in the 40s then so be it. Ditto for Rioli, I feel most are being very optimistic with what we will get for him, yesterdays BnF win notwithstanding, but will gladly be proven wrong as 6 & 12 with any of our picks in the 20s or higher going back is an absolute steal.

If we do get all those picks + the graham compo, do we just look to pretty much trade almost everything beyond pick 13 for picks next year? I mean 6 top15 picks + PSD + SSP + MSD, how many players can we actually add to our list for next season……?

Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on October 02, 2024, 10:51:30 PM
Adding the late picks as sweeteners for player trades isn't the same thing and the obvious team to deal with in that regard is Brisbane and we have something the other 16 teams don't - both pick one and a shyte load of late picks. If we don't trade most of those picks to Brisbane before the draft or bid on Ashcroft on the night then we're fools.... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 02, 2024, 10:52:01 PM
Would take those in a heartbeat lol

I don’t think we should have to give anything back for baker or bolts because I feel 13 and 9 & 10 (with salary contributions) is fair, but if we’re only giving up picks in the 40s then so be it. Ditto for Rioli, I feel most are being very optimistic with what we will get for him, yesterdays BnF win notwithstanding, but will gladly be proven wrong as 6 & 12 with any of our picks in the 20s or higher going back is an absolute steal.

If we do get all those picks + the graham compo, do we just look to pretty much trade almost everything beyond pick 13 for picks next year? I mean 6 top15 picks + PSD + SSP + MSD, how many players can we actually add to our list for next season……?

Rioli deal is a steal but GC throw away picks. Dimma has even come out and said so. They gave Bowes and Pick 7 for a salary dump. We pay Rioli wage and Pick 6 and 12 come our way. We will give them some later picks for points.

Graham compo and other late picks I think will be traded for 2025 picks. Hard to move up the order with pick points as it sorta robs Peter to pay Paul. Easy to say hey Brissie here is a pick worth 500 points for Ashcroft. Give us your first rounder next year.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 02, 2024, 10:54:38 PM
Adding the late picks as sweeteners for player trades isn't the same thing and the obvious team to deal with in that regard is Brisbane and we have something the other 16 teams don't - both pick one and a shyte load of late picks. If we don't trade most of those picks to Brisbane before the draft or bid on Ashcroft on the night then we're fools.... :shh

For GC it is. No other clubs won't late picks except Lions maybe Carlton but I think they have enough points.

Anyway, as I said in previous post, if we deal.with Lions I think a 2025 first rounder for a collection of picks is best way to go. They can't afford to swap 2024 picks as they need all the points they can get for this year.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 02, 2024, 10:59:01 PM
NM also have 40, 58 and 64. Im sure they'll try to deal with Lions.
GWS have 49, 52 and 70. Plus some picks coming for Peatling and any other exits. They'll be in a position to trade with Lions.

As much as we have an array of picks, we don't have a monopoly on them. I'd be using them in any deals to get over the line.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on October 02, 2024, 11:01:53 PM
Do either of those teams also currently have pick one and the first shot at Ashcroft? :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 02, 2024, 11:26:17 PM
Do either of those teams also currently have pick one and the first shot at Ashcroft? :shh

What is your point?
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on October 02, 2024, 11:30:49 PM
That we're the team with the strongest hand and can make them pay the highest price....pretty stuffing obvious I would've thought.... ::)
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on October 02, 2024, 11:51:54 PM
TALKS ON TIGERS TO RAMP UP

Trade talks for Richmond's wantaway trio Shai Bolton, Daniel Rioli and Liam Baker are set to ramp up following the Tigers' best and fairest, with all three finishing in the top-five of the count.

Rioli claimed his first Jack Dyer Medal on Wednesday night as Gold Coast look to strike a deal for the triple-premiership half-back, with all three players speaking to the crowd at Crown Palladium for the event.

The Suns' pick No.6 will be put forward for Rioli, with the Tigers at this stage expected to look for more in return for the 27-year-old, who is contracted with Richmond for another three seasons. He has a five-year offer from the Suns.

Gold Coast also holds picks 12, 20, 26, 38, 46 and 74 this year, as well as its full 2025 hand of picks, with a number of clubs chasing the Suns' No.12 pick. Carlton, Collingwood, Melbourne, the Western Bulldogs and Sydney are among the clubs who have interest in the pick, which is up for grabs due to incoming Academy prospect Leo Lombard.

Fremantle's long-held interest in Bolton means the Dockers are still the expected club for the Tigers star, with the Dockers having a five-year offer for him. Andrew McQualter's appointment as West Coast's new senior coach hasn't shifted the view Fremantle is best placed to get a deal done, with the Tigers aware of Bolton's interest in being a Docker.

The Dockers have been prepared to offer two of their first-round picks for Bolton – picks No.9 and 16 – although Richmond is expected to target Freo's No.9 and 10 picks for the 25-year-old.

Baker's move to West Coast is further down the line given his out-of-contract status. Fremantle had been prepared to trade pick 10 for Baker if he chose them, but after a long decision he this week officially nominated the Eagles as his new club.

Hawthorn is prepared to offer pick 13 in this year's draft for wantaway Eagle Tom Barrass, with West Coast expected to target that selection as well as a future first-round pick in exchange for Barrass and a second-round pick. A version of pick purchasing – where the Eagles could pay some of Barrass' remaining salary to generate a better picks outcome – is also a possibility, however the Hawks are considered unlikely to want to part with back-to-back first-round selections.

That pick 13 would be involved in a deal for Baker, who is a year off being a free agent. Baker and Bolton finished equal fifth in Richmond's best and fairest on Wednesday night.

Richmond's unrestricted free agent Jack Graham toured West Coast's facilities on Wednesday in another step to him joining the Eagles. Graham has four-year offers from both clubs but, although yet to confirm his decision, is expected to join the Eagles following McQualter's appointment on Monday.

– Callum Twomey, Riley Beveridge

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1236153/talks-on-richmond-tigers-trio-to-ramp-up-hawk-to-stay-essendon-bombers-eye-giant-conor-stone
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: torch on October 03, 2024, 12:04:09 AM
I would give WC Pick 10 for their Pick 3 …

Baker and Pick 10 for Pick 3 …

1, 3, 6, 9, 12, 13 …

I would demand Pick 20 from GC … 3 for Rioli …

1, 3, 6, 9, 12, 13, 20, 21, 29, 39, 72

that’s 4 in top 10

8 in top 21 - 1st Round?

9 in top 30 …

I would push harder for 3picks for Bolton too or future 1st R?

Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on October 03, 2024, 12:07:41 AM
EMERGING GIANT ON VIC CLUBS’ RADAR

GWS’ Conor Stone is said to be attracting interest from multiple Victorian clubs, including Essendon and Richmond.

The Bombers and Tigers are being linked with the 22-year-old utility.

“Essendon is one club doing work on him. I’d keep an eye on Richmond too with Dan Rioli leaving,” Seven reporter Mitch Cleary told the Tradies Podcast.

“Now that (Harry) Perryman and (Isaac) Cumming are both leaving, there’s a chance he stays.

“His is a name those supporting Melbourne clubs can keep an eye on.”

Despite reportedly having a two-year deal on the table from the Giants, Stone remains unsigned beyond this year, with AFL Media’s Riley Beveridge also reporting on Essendon’s interest.

The Oakleigh Chargers product has managed 13 senior games in four seasons since being chosen by the Giants with the 15th pick in 2020.

The fact he remains without a 2025 contract leaves scope for speculation the emerging utility may be weighing up potential opportunities elsewhere.

But for a player who has seen very limited senior action since entering the league, it would be surprising if he didn’t agree to a multi-year arrangement with the Giants — and as Cleary alludes to, with both Perryman and Cumming departing, the door to opportunity opens across that half-backline.

Perryman, Cumming and developmental key forward Wade Derksen make up the Giants plotting exits this off-season, with Stone now a possibility to join them.

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https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-2024-bailey-smith-nominates-geelong-cats-conor-stone-attracting-interest-from-essendon-bombers-richmond-tigers/news-story/610ab441be38c09ec89b8308c5e0584a
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on October 03, 2024, 09:36:06 AM
Trade predictions:

Liam Baker
Personally think Pick 13 for Baker won't happen on its own. I would be blown away if Eagles entertain trading Pick 3. Absolute madness. Only reason would be that they are keen on homeboy Bo Allen who is a mid to late first rounder instead. So Trade Pick 3 for Pick 10 and Baker. So they get Allen and Baker for Pick 3. I can't see it happening.
Prediction:
Baker to WCE
Richmond In: Pick 13
Richmond Out: Baker and Pick 41 (originally recieved from West Coast)

Daniel Rioli
Gold Coast will give up whatever we ask, I think there is a limit and that will come down to what GC are keen on regarding points for Lombard. GC will happily go into next year with just Rioli and Lombard. They don't need any more developmental players. They may be hard to deal with if they need their picks to acquire other players. So we may end up doing Pick 6 and a future 1st rather than Pick 6 and 12, as they may choose to trade 12 for another player. I think with Daniel being contracted and us playing hard ball enough along with some pick steak knives. A few mention that GC don't need points for Lombard as they have heaps anyway. They do but they also have picks around the spot he will be bidded on, which is fine but to take advantage of it they should be trading those picks away for players and then picking up Lombard with an array of late picks as points. They'll trade Pick 6 and 12, just a matter if they choose to use it on another player, which I think would be unlikely as they won't risk on losing out on Rioli. Pick and 12 to come our way.
Prediction:
Rioli to GC
Richmond In: Pick 6, 12
Richmond Out: Rioli, Pick 57 and 66

Shai Bolton
I can actually see Shai staying and us stuffing up this trade. Freo doesn't give me much confidence. We will play hard ball for Picks 9 and 10. Freo will want something back which I would think Pick 47 would be what we'd be at most willing to offer to get the deal done. Anything higher, we say see ya later Freo. Which I'd then be looking at West Coast and see if they'd trade Pick 3 for Bolton and Pick 29. I'll go with Freo needing Bolton as they are in the window and are crying out for a Bolton type player.
Prediction:
Bolton to Freo
Richmond In: Pick 9 annd Pick 10
Richmond Out: Bolton, Pick 47
2024 Trade Predictions
In: Picks: 6, 9, 10, 12, 13
Out: Baker, Rioli, Baker, Picks: 41, 47, 57, 66

2024 Draft Hand
Picks: 1, 6, 9, 10, 12, 13, 21, 29, 39, 72

Pick 72 to be used for a PSD pick.
9 picks in total, 3 top 10s, 6 first rounders. Exceptional hand to begin the foundations of a next premiership side.
1, 6 and 9 to be used on the gun midfield class (Preference: Jagga Smith, Sam Lalor, Josh Smillie)
Pick 10-13 to be used on key position (Preference: Harry Armstrong, Luke Trainor, Jobe Shanahan)


Nice post.

I think 9+10 for Bolton + 29 might be the trade, maybe with some wages paid. Something like that. If they won't budge on 9 + 16 then I'd probably still consider trading him but with no wages or picks going back. The muppets over there want 9+16 with 29 going back and wages paid lmao.

I think 13 for Baker +39 might work. P3 shouldn't be on the table if Mini has any brains, which he reportedly does.

Rioli to GCS for 6 + 12 or 6 + 20. Their dumb fans will hate if it's 6 + 12, but we will send them a raft of later picks (40 Graham compo, 41, 47, 57 etc) for Lombard since we won't be using those picks anyway and it allows them to use their P20 on someone else. If it's 6 + 20 then I wouldn't be paying jack of his wage or sending any other picks back.

Graham compo will probably be 40 unless we + WCE can manipulate the FA process and get 22, but I doubt it.

I'm hoping we hit the draft with 1, 6, 9, 10, 12, 13, 21. If we keep late picks like 66 + 72 I'd just be picking up a development ruck or key forward and hope they come good like Mitch Lewis or Nick Larkey.


As for Ashcroft/Lions, we should 100% make an early bid on him and force Brisbane to match and cut their legs out. F them. If his brother is anything to go by he'll be a gun anyway so either we get a gun or Lions get screwed.

An alternative would be to offer Brisbane all of our later picks - 29, 39, 40 (compo), 41, 47, 57, 66, 72 in exchange for P18 + their F1 (18 at worst). This gives them a 567 point surplus and will allow them to match even a #1 bid on Ashcroft and would give us another R1 for 2025 prior to Tas.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on October 03, 2024, 09:41:17 AM
Second scenario in bold, previous post.

Bolton for 9 + 16, no picks going back.
Rioli for 6 + 20, no picks going back.
Baker + Graham for 13, Graham trade instead of FA. Trade > FA to prevent WCE compensation for guys like Darling going to North, so Graham becomes the streak knife.

Trade all later picks to Brisbane for 18 + F1.

Draft with 1, 6, 9, 13, 16, 18, 20, 21. 8 kids.

2025 draft indicative order:
1
18 (Brisbane)
19
37
55
73
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on October 03, 2024, 10:01:59 AM
Bummers can have Stone
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on October 03, 2024, 10:05:17 AM
TALKS ON TIGERS TO RAMP UP


If Freo was offering 10 for Baker and 9 + 16 for Bolton I'd probably consider taking that with none of Bolton's wages paid.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 03, 2024, 10:07:22 AM
That we're the team with the strongest hand and can make them pay the highest price....pretty stuffing obvious I would've thought.... ::)

What you are suggesting is draft tampering and would sour relations with other clubs. It's easy to say on a forum, tell Lions to gives us their first rounder for 5 picks in the 4th and 5th round and we won't bid on him to lessen 500 points.

Puts us at enormous risk all for pick 18.. as it would be for Brisbane which is equivalent of just trading with another club for pick 35.

It's not worth it.

Plus it's strong arming Lions, if that's me or my club I'm telling them where to go and crossing them off the good trade speed dial. I don't want us becoming Essendon and getting a bad name at the trade table.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on October 03, 2024, 10:11:38 AM
That we're the team with the strongest hand and can make them pay the highest price....pretty stuffing obvious I would've thought.... ::)

What you are suggesting is draft tampering and would sour relations with other clubs. It's easy to say on a forum, tell Lions to gives us their first rounder for 5 picks in the 4th and 5th round and we won't bid on him to lessen 500 points.

Puts us at enormous risk all for pick 18.. as it would be for Brisbane which is equivalent of just trading with another club for pick 35.

It's not worth it.

Plus it's strong arming Lions, if that's me or my club I'm telling them where to go and crossing them off the good trade speed dial. I don't want us becoming Essendon and getting a bad name at the trade table.

Mate, someone is going to bid on Ashcroft early and Brisbane are going to have to pay. All that remains to be seen is who bids first and how much they have to pay. They get a 20% discount on a gun player coming off a flag. I don't see why any other club should give them a leg up.

17 other clubs aren't going to let Ashcroft slide to the 4th round in good faith with the Lions - THAT would be draft tampering, wouldn't it?.

He's a genuine P1 candidate and every club in the top 5 should be making a bid!


Also, what's the risk? We get Ashcroft with P1? He'll probably be a gun like his dad and brother.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: the claw on October 03, 2024, 10:17:44 AM
Its on the cards we will get 13 for Baker as it stands. Why would you forgo pick 22 for Graham thats is also on the cards he has been offered 4 years tick we only need them to be paying above the average of 350k or what ever it is to be a chance.

Fremantle or in particular peter bell has said they will not be trading both 9, and 10. They are considering one of those picks and 16.

Tiger supporters don't like it but 6 and 20 is overs for Rioli.

Last all this talk of trading out picks in the twenties to say pick 40. This year they are extremely valuable and we take kpps and needs with them.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on October 03, 2024, 01:54:48 PM
That we're the team with the strongest hand and can make them pay the highest price....pretty stuffing obvious I would've thought.... ::)

What you are suggesting is draft tampering and would sour relations with other clubs. It's easy to say on a forum, tell Lions to gives us their first rounder for 5 picks in the 4th and 5th round and we won't bid on him to lessen 500 points.

Puts us at enormous risk all for pick 18.. as it would be for Brisbane which is equivalent of just trading with another club for pick 35.

It's not worth it.

Plus it's strong arming Lions, if that's me or my club I'm telling them where to go and crossing them off the good trade speed dial. I don't want us becoming Essendon and getting a bad name at the trade table.

lmao.... :facepalm
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Damo on October 03, 2024, 02:02:45 PM
If we are fair dinkum it’s very simple

We select Ashcroft pick one

Brisbane will want him and will pay up
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on October 03, 2024, 02:28:22 PM
If we are fair dinkum it’s very simple

We select Ashcroft pick one

Brisbane will want him and will pay up

Apparently it's not that simple for some and is also draft tampering.... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on October 03, 2024, 02:48:05 PM
I'd be telling Brisbane we are bidding with P1 so they need 2400 points to match.

Trade them all those picks I mentioned for 18 + F1.

They can match with the picks we supply for their higher picks.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 03, 2024, 02:55:56 PM
Dio, unsure how long you've been following the AFL but you absolutely can not go to Brisbane and say we won't bid on him if you trade your picks with us at a discount. Win win.

If this is what you are actually suggesting, as you post in riddles and emojis I'm unsure of what you're opinion actually is.

We bid on Ashcroft at Pick 1, then it's up to Lions to choose the deal of points packaging compared to the other clubs with points to trade. Other clubs will have a package ready for them as we will. It's pick 1 so it's fairly simple to plan for pre draft rather than on the spot when you are unsure where players will be bidded on.

Again, unsure how long you've followed the AFL, but trade week is before the draft. So if we need to we will send steak knife picks to GC to get 2 first rounders, same with Freo. An idiot lost manager would prioritize keeping these late picks for Picks 18 or next year's first pick over getting an better pick in Bolton and Rioli deals.

Happy to hear your opinion if you are mature enough to offer one without emojis and riddles. Yet to read anything of value as yet.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 03, 2024, 02:57:47 PM
Clubs don’t bid on academy or FS players at 1 because they would prefer to blow smoke up the ass of the player that will actually be joining them instead. Getting the label as the no.1 pick in the draft plus all those extras NAB throws their way. That’s the only reason imo and it’s a beyond crappy and weak one too that’s become pretty common lately. If you need to pander to a player with that sort of stuff then they’re not the right pick. Look at how well it worked out for the kangas with JHF…..

Even if you rate the father son or academy player as 2-5, why not just bid with pick 1 anyway, it’s not like their end club is going to match the bid anyway and atleast it makes them pay the max price.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 03, 2024, 03:00:35 PM
Dio, unsure how long you've been following the AFL but you absolutely can not go to Brisbane and say we won't bid on him if you trade your picks with us at a discount. Win win.

If this is what you are actually suggesting, as you post in riddles and emojis I'm unsure of what you're opinion actually is.

We bid on Ashcroft at Pick 1, then it's up to Lions to choose the deal of points packaging compared to the other clubs with points to trade. Other clubs will have a package ready for them as we will. It's pick 1 so it's fairly simple to plan for pre draft rather than on the spot when you are unsure where players will be bidded on.

Again, unsure how long you've followed the AFL, but trade week is before the draft. So if we need to we will send steak knife picks to GC to get 2 first rounders, same with Freo. An idiot lost manager would prioritize keeping these late picks for Picks 18 or next year's first pick over getting an better pick in Bolton and Rioli deals.

Happy to hear your opinion if you are mature enough to offer one without emojis and riddles. Yet to read anything of value as yet.

I think what he and others are saying is that while it is technically not allowed, it would be naive to think it doesn’t happen. Same thing with clubs negotiating the structuring of free agency contracts to manipulate the compo and ensure clubs don’t match the offer to force trades.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on October 03, 2024, 03:09:34 PM
All we'd need to do would be to announce to everyone that our late picks are on the table then the Bears would just look at the draft order and draw their own conclusions without us even needing to say another word... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 03, 2024, 03:18:59 PM
I'd be telling Brisbane we are bidding with P1 so they need 2400 points to match.

Trade them all those picks I mentioned for 18 + F1.

They can match with the picks we supply for their higher picks.

Agree unfortunately 2400 is a lot of draft capital, I don't think Lions will accrue enough if they trade away pick 18. I think they'll need that plus plenty more to get to 2400.

Brisbane have 56 and 69 which is 243 points
When you combine their first pick 985 that gets them 1,228 points.
So they need 1172 points and can't afford to trade pick 18.

Post pick 30 we have
39 - 446 points
41 - 412 points
47 - 316 points
57 - 182 points
66 - 80 points
72 - 19 points

We trade all but pick 72 that's give them enough points. Which likely would be traded for next year's first rounder. And maybe a 2nd or 3rd, aligning the points to be somewhat equivalent in points.

My original thoughts was that we may have to use some of these picks to get the Rioli, Baker and Bolton deals over the line, which is prefer the club to do when we are talking about picks 6, 9, 10, 12 and 13 compared to Brissys pick 1 next year. Be interesting how it pans out.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on October 03, 2024, 03:22:45 PM
I'd be telling Brisbane we are bidding with P1 so they need 2400 points to match.

Trade them all those picks I mentioned for 18 + F1.

They can match with the picks we supply for their higher picks.

Agree unfortunately 2400 is a lot of draft capital, I don't think Lions will accrue enough if they trade away pick 18. I think they'll need that plus plenty more to get to 2400.

Brisbane have 56 and 69 which is 243 points
When you combine their first pick 985 that gets them 1,228 points.
So they need 1172 points and can't afford to trade pick 18.

Post pick 30 we have
39 - 446 points
41 - 412 points
47 - 316 points
57 - 182 points
66 - 80 points
72 - 19 points

We trade all but pick 72 that's give them enough points. Which likely would be traded for next year's first rounder. And maybe a 2nd or 3rd, aligning the points to be somewhat equivalent in points.

My original thoughts was that we may have to use some of these picks to get the Rioli, Baker and Bolton deals over the line, which is prefer the club to do when we are talking about picks 6, 9, 10, 12 and 13 compared to Brissys pick 1 next year. Be interesting how it pans out.

We don't need the points. We need top picks and they have 18 + F1.

So we should give them the capital with our later picks and take their top selections, then bid on Ashcroft with #1 and force them to use the capital we gave them.


Ruthless but why not?
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on October 03, 2024, 03:23:57 PM
As I said earlier

29, 39, 40 (compo), 41, 47, 57, 66, 72 in exchange for P18 + their F1 (18 at worst). This gives them a 567 point surplus and will allow them to match even a #1 bid on Ashcroft.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on October 03, 2024, 06:00:46 PM
"James Peatling - He is a wanted man. Giants have upped the offer to 4-years. The Giants are hopeful this is done by the best and fairest tonight.

Adelaide, Collingwood, Richmond, St Kilda are all still keen. I don't know where he ends up, but the Giants are hopeful."

- Tom Morris on James Peatling.

https://x.com/traderadio/status/1841315188261429393

@RileyBev reporting that James Peatling wants a trade to Adelaide.

https://x.com/traderadio/status/1841732058118553661
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on October 03, 2024, 06:58:21 PM
Can't find anything official but if true though I'd tell GC to go find another first rounder to trade with pick 6 or GFY....  >:(


Quote
Adelaide have done very well to get Cummings and Peatling. Very good depth.

I’ll say this about Pick 12 from GC.

They want to trade this into next years draft.

Collingwood have offered Noble and a F1 for Pick 12 and a late pick or pick swap. I think that deal is ideal for GC and the way they are thinking.

We should aim for Pick 6 and Pick 20. Pick 12 is not able to be obtained for us.

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/trade-free-agency-part-10.1386996/page-149#post-85624494
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 03, 2024, 07:45:21 PM
Can't find anything official but if true though I'd tell GC to go find another first rounder to trade with pick 6 or GFY....  >:(


Quote
Adelaide have done very well to get Cummings and Peatling. Very good depth.

I’ll say this about Pick 12 from GC.

They want to trade this into next years draft.

Collingwood have offered Noble and a F1 for Pick 12 and a late pick or pick swap. I think that deal is ideal for GC and the way they are thinking.

We should aim for Pick 6 and Pick 20. Pick 12 is not able to be obtained for us.

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/trade-free-agency-part-10.1386996/page-149#post-85624494

Agree Pick 6 and 20 isn't enough. Give Collingwood Pick 20 for Noble. They didn't want him in premiership side, VFL player. They can get in the bin.

Pick 6 and 12 or go and find a way to upgrade Pick 20 to something above Pick 15 at least.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: yandb on October 03, 2024, 09:59:37 PM
What about GC's future 1st coming into play
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 04, 2024, 01:02:15 AM
What about GC's future 1st coming into play

Yep think that'll be discussed certainly if pick 12 isn't available. We could use Dimma's ego against him and say you'll be playing finals by then surely so at worst for you you give up pick 10 lol.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on October 04, 2024, 12:56:18 PM
Josh Battle compo = band 1 (pick 8)
Harry Perryman compo = band 1 (pick 16)

This pushes picks we're trading for back down the draft order.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: the claw on October 04, 2024, 02:18:07 PM
System is flawed when Josh Battle is considered a top 10 player. Surely more than just length of contract and how much money they get has to be considered.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on October 04, 2024, 02:49:27 PM
Idea…
West Coast offers Jack Graham 5yrs @ 900k a year. Lands Richmond a first-round compo at pick 2.

Eagles walk Liam Baker to the pre-season draft. Don’t cough up a draft pick.

Tigers get pick 2. Eagles get Baker for nothing and only costs a bit extra $

Win-win for both

https://x.com/cleary_mitch?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1842061653635903926%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

 :shh

Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: OneEyedRichmond on October 04, 2024, 02:52:59 PM
https://x.com/cleary_mitch?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1842061653635903926%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

 :shh

Draft tampering at the highest level but I love it 🤣
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 04, 2024, 03:30:12 PM
https://x.com/cleary_mitch?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1842061653635903926%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

 :shh

Surely that’s more than “a bit of extra $$$$” lol

You just know those knobheads at HQ would decide to intervene for the first time ever to prevent this from happening.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Damo on October 04, 2024, 04:16:25 PM
https://x.com/cleary_mitch?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1842061653635903926%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

 :shh

And North take him to say up yours to the Eagles

 
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: OneEyedRichmond on October 04, 2024, 04:23:09 PM
https://x.com/cleary_mitch?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1842061653635903926%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

 :shh

And North take him to say up yours to the Eagles

North won’t take him  :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Damo on October 04, 2024, 04:50:15 PM
https://x.com/cleary_mitch?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1842061653635903926%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

 :shh

And North take him to say up yours to the Eagles

North won’t take him  :shh

Of course they won’t
He won’t go to the PSD

But the Cleary suggestion won’t happen either
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on October 04, 2024, 05:26:57 PM
Josh Battle compo = band 1 (pick 8)
Harry Perryman compo = band 1 (pick 16)

This pushes picks we're trading for back down the draft order.

Greater Western Sydney will receive a band two pick for free agent Isaac Cumming. That's end of first round.

That's pick 21 for the Giants, giving them pick 15, 16 and 21 in the first round.

https://x.com/CalTwomey/status/1842098679056093390
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Simonator on October 04, 2024, 06:16:25 PM
Compensation needs to be removed. Don’t care about the argument, the hawks losing Franklin set the precedence.

Pick 8 for battle is ridiculous.

If teams can’t hold onto their players then trade them earlier. Poor player and contract management is rewarded with compensation
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: camboon on October 04, 2024, 06:43:32 PM
I agree, the club where the player goes too should pay some sort of compensation , it just advantages the same clubs yearly and is an unfair system!
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on October 04, 2024, 07:25:52 PM
How much stuffing money are those idiots getting paid to be worth band 1? Lol
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: camboon on October 04, 2024, 07:41:45 PM
900 per year for Battle for 6 years
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: MintOnLamb on October 04, 2024, 08:15:05 PM
They way all these picks are going we will be lucky to get a pick in the 30’s, typical Richmond bashing
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 04, 2024, 09:20:22 PM
Have said it many times there should be no compo, ridiculous that there is

But the offset should be Clubs should be free to trade players to wherever they like without players agreeing

The current system favours the players only
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on October 05, 2024, 07:47:49 AM
Anyone interested in Fiorini?

6 + Fiorini for Rioli?
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: MintOnLamb on October 05, 2024, 09:22:06 AM
Anyone interested in Fiorini?

6 + Fiorini for Rioli?
Pass, Hardwick would not give anyone who had significant upside
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 05, 2024, 09:55:57 AM
https://x.com/cleary_mitch?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1842061653635903926%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

 :shh

It's a genius idea but think Graham would need to be a better player for it not to look as dodgy and North pick 2 would worry the Eagles enough to say nup. Good idea though.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 05, 2024, 10:05:05 AM
Anyone interested in Fiorini?

6 + Fiorini for Rioli?
Pass, Hardwick would not give anyone who had significant upside

Also pass. Same type of midfielder we already have. I really wouldn’t be trading in any mids. We already have TT, Hopper and Prestia as experienced mids. We’re gonna draft atleast 2 top end mids, need to ensure they are actually getting time in the middle and don’t end up like Sonsie shafted into the fwd line.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on October 05, 2024, 11:26:09 AM
https://x.com/cleary_mitch?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1842061653635903926%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

 :shh

It's a genius idea but think Graham would need to be a better player for it not to look as dodgy and North pick 2 would worry the Eagles enough to say nup. Good idea though.

We’ve matched 4 years so there’s some evidence
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Francois Jackson on October 05, 2024, 12:37:25 PM
You also have to place trust in the corruption known as the afl. Without knowing the exact formula they may say it didn't quite reach the band 1  :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: the claw on October 05, 2024, 01:08:26 PM
Geez all of these 1st round compo picks being handed out. Throw in the inevitable bids that will come and our second rounder could be pick 30.

It also greatly affects the picks we are hoping to trade for.
If it continues like this it could get to the point where we have to hang onto Rioli and Bolton.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on October 05, 2024, 02:14:13 PM
Original draft hand: 1, 21, 29, 39, 41, 47, 57, 66, 73.

Projected after compos & bids:: 2, 27, 35, 45, 47, 53, 63, 72, 78.

 :damnpc
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on October 05, 2024, 02:27:15 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GZAW7yqbcAAAvQh?format=jpg&name=small)
https://x.com/traderadio/status/1842390250254946483
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: camboon on October 05, 2024, 03:04:27 PM
Sounds like BS from a Port supporter , no value for us or WC ,
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Francois Jackson on October 05, 2024, 03:40:25 PM
If port do any deal like that they are more stupid than I thought.

Blues must have hired dudoro in the offseason if they think a pick in the late teens is enough.

If I were port I would be demanding 2 first rounds and that's that.

Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: OneEyedRichmond on October 05, 2024, 05:54:51 PM
Original draft hand: 1, 21, 29, 39, 41, 47, 57, 66, 73.

Projected after compos & bids:: 2, 27, 35, 45, 47, 53, 63, 72, 78.

 :damnpc

Your projected is all wrong …  matched bids means later picks are used up 😉 :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on October 05, 2024, 06:02:19 PM
It also doesn't include trades ....hence why it's just "projected" based on the current order champ... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: OneEyedRichmond on October 05, 2024, 06:54:40 PM
It also doesn't include trades ....hence why it's just "projected" based on the current order champ... :shh

I never mentioned trades champ 🤣.

It’s ok to admit you don’t understand how the bidding system works and how it effects later picks  :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 05, 2024, 10:47:29 PM
I know picks blowout based off f/s and academy but FA compo are the only picks that really effect us. I mean we are not draft Ashcroft, Kako or Lombard. So our first round picks still have relevance to their order. As in we still have Pick 1 it just doesn't include Ashcroft who is never in our calcs. Lombard can go at Pick 8, and our potential Pick 9 goes to 10. We still have the same field to pick from it's just that Lombard went before our pick.

Just need FA round 1 picks to stop thanks.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Damo on October 05, 2024, 10:58:56 PM
I know picks blowout based off f/s and academy but FA compo are the only picks that really effect us. I mean we are not draft Ashcroft, Kako or Lombard. So our first round picks still have relevance to their order. As in we still have Pick 1 it just doesn't include Ashcroft who is never in our calcs. Lombard can go at Pick 8, and our potential Pick 9 goes to 10. We still have the same field to pick from it's just that Lombard went before our pick.

Just need FA round 1 picks to stop thanks.

Perfectly said
Couldn’t agree more
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: camboon on October 05, 2024, 11:36:49 PM
True its only the FA picks that change the real order of picks
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Damo on October 05, 2024, 11:43:41 PM
True its only the FA picks that change the real order of picks

100%

Ashcroft as an example
Changes absolutely nothing

We aren’t getting him .. but he’s going early and pushes everything back
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on October 06, 2024, 06:53:05 PM
RICHMOND

Contracted forward-midfielder Shai Bolton remains likely to land at Fremantle, but if the Tigers and Dockers can’t come to terms on the specifics of a deal late in the piece, watch for the West Coast Eagles to potentially make a late play. It is relatively common knowledge that Richmond wants two of the Dockers’ three first-rounders, and while it seems Fremantle is receptive to that, they would probably want to keep one of their earlier two first-round choices (Picks 10 and 11) and instead give up one of their later first-rounder (the latest of the three is currently sitting at No. 18) rather than surrender both of their early ones.

Meantime, it remains a fait accompli that out-of-contract utility Liam Baker becomes a West Coast player, having supported the club as a child. As the Tigers try and work out what they believe is fairest for them, could the Eagles propose a swapping of first-round picks along with Baker? In that instance, the Tigers could boldly try and get Pick 3 in return for Baker and a future first-round pick.

Meanwhile, in all likelihood, Daniel Rioli will be donning Gold Coast colours next year. Pick 6 is expected to be the centrepiece of this deal, while Pick 23 — which was originally No. 20 before three compensatory picks shunted it down the order on Friday — could be the other selection involved in getting this one over the line.

Finally, dual premiership midfielder Jack Graham hasn’t officially indicated a desire to depart Punt Road, but he is widely expected to land at the West Coast Eagles this off-season, having reportedly toured the facilities in recent days. The Tigers would likely receive a second-rounder as compensation.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-2024-every-clubs-trades-state-of-play-before-the-trade-period-preview-targets-who-is-leaving-how-will-deals-get-done-analysis/news-story/6d46bc9e387f6f2683f50ce6accdf36f
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on October 06, 2024, 07:27:22 PM
If Freo is being too difficult I'd consider trading with WCE only.

If the Hawks trade 14 for Barrass I'd consider 3 + 14 + 26 for Bolton + Baker, rather than have Freo try to stooge us with just 10 + 18 for Bolton. The lower those picks slide with FA compo the more likely it's going to have to be 10 + 11 and that 16>18>whatever it becomes gets less and less valuable.

Having 1 + 3 + 6 would be great in this draft. FOS, Jagga, Lalor.

14, 23, 24 + 26 also all very useful for some of those KPF or rucks. Armstrong, Faull, Shanahan some of them should be available.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on October 06, 2024, 09:18:38 PM
Andyyy
Reckon Bolton for 9,10
Rioli for 6,20 with some swapping of picks back and forth and we should be getting something a little better than 20
West Coast’s pick 3 for Baker and pick 10
Like to jag a top of second round for Graham but unlikely.

Picks 1,3,6,9 or 10, 21,22 (hope) and 29 round out a brilliant top 30.
Hoping we can package up those later picks for something in the teens with goldie.

Would be happy to trade that and perhaps pick 20 for future first rounders with the stronger clubs
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 06, 2024, 09:37:27 PM
Bailey Smith PSD pick 1?

Nothing would make me happier than screwing over Geelong.

I expect Freo to come to party with Picks 10, 11. Or whatever they end up being. Could easily argue that with Ashcroft these picks will be 11 and 12 and no longer include a top 10 draft pick for Bolton. Freo can't possibly say that they are paying overs for him

Rioli for 6 and 13. 6 and 23 is laughable. Alternatively 6 and a future first. Can't be having Dimma accepting Taranto trade who were out of contract for 2 firsts and not Rioli.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on October 06, 2024, 09:39:49 PM
Smith in the PSD would be worth it just for the laughs.... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on October 06, 2024, 10:41:22 PM
Would anyone do Bolton for 10 + F1?

If we do Rioli for 6 +F1 it would be great to be stacked for 2025 also
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on October 06, 2024, 11:09:31 PM
No & no :thumbsdown
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 07, 2024, 12:43:30 AM
I think Freo with Bolton and cushy draw will fly up the ladder. I don't think 2025 is anywhere near as strong as 2024.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 07, 2024, 01:01:23 AM
Hard no on Bolton. Freo with Bolton added I expect to be top4.

I’d be ok with the Rioli one although I’m in the minority here where I think pick 6 on its own is a win.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: pmac21 on October 07, 2024, 02:17:05 PM
Tis the week for your Craig Camerons, Jason McNartneys to dominate the airwaves for their yearly 5 minutes of attention.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on October 07, 2024, 02:27:17 PM
Meanwhile, clubs still have Richmond regarded as the favourite for the first-round pick being auctioned – Brisbane's No.20 choice. The Lions are chasing draft points to match bids on father-son Levi Ashcroft and Academy midfielder Sam Marshall

- Inside Trading, 📰✅


https://x.com/RichmondNews223/status/1842819705977115069
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: georgies31 on October 07, 2024, 02:48:27 PM
10 and 18 tell them come back and see us when it's 10 and 11.There talking tough if it's doesn' suit and to much give up and length of contract we walk away lol to much tough talk.

Rioli the same 6 aren't going to cut it.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on October 07, 2024, 02:49:57 PM
P20 isn't a 1st rounder come on...
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 07, 2024, 05:05:19 PM
Just saw Hartley interview. Bit pointless but was very clear and emphatic that the boys mentioned for trades (Rioli and Bolton) are contracted for a long time and it's up to the clubs who have nominated them to come to the party.

I think with the hard line, which is good, it'll be tricky for us to combine many trades both Bolton and Rioli will drag on a bit and get done but will leave us with dealing with Baker for pick 13 without anything to move up the draft until very late. Which I'm fine with.

If it means we lock in 10,11 for Bolton and 6,13 for Rioli, its a win for the club and just reward for ensuring your player currency is contracted and signed up.

Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on October 07, 2024, 05:06:27 PM
The sequencing of these deals is super important. I’d be trying to get goldie done first. That sets the scene for expectations on Bolton and, with Rioli done, I feel we can start to leverage west coast and freo’s picks against each other for Baker and Bolton. I’d be more than open to pick 3 for Bolton and a another pick - say early 2nd rounder.
This should force Freo’s hand and help get us picks 10 and 11.
Providing Freo take the bait, having put pick 3 in play for Eagles and given they have established a “buy” position with us, we keep pick 3 in play for Bakes and pick 11.
We have a unique leverage position that we must use wisely.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 07, 2024, 05:32:13 PM
I'd be pretty confident that with the deal for Baker we can ask WCE to play ball to make Freo pay overs.

We'd happily play ball if Pies or Blues were to pay overs for someone else.

Rioli deal should be done first thats the most straight forward.

Rioli and late picks for points <-> Pick 6 and 13. Add in we pay Rioli salary and its a deal that helps GC hugely. Allows them $ to get someone else and help their crappy wage structure they have nearly fixed. Poor from GC that this deal hasn't been done on day 1 in all honesty. Have had weeks to be ready and they choose a peeing contest.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: pmac21 on October 07, 2024, 06:14:14 PM
Were not getting 13. It's going to someone else in the Houston trade unless it's a mega trade. 
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on October 07, 2024, 06:27:27 PM
12 and 16 for Brad Ottens wasn't it? Think Dan is a good player, been fantastic since he went down back. But stuff me we are making off like bandits if we're getting anything more than pick 6.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: camboon on October 07, 2024, 06:29:46 PM
What did Collingwood pay for Shultz ‘s?
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on October 07, 2024, 06:31:35 PM
7 or 8. and no, I don't think Schultz is better than Rioli.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on October 07, 2024, 06:32:59 PM
That's a lie. A future 1st rounder and pick 34 apparently upon googling. So whatever pick the Pies have this year I suppose
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 07, 2024, 07:13:49 PM
12 and 16 for Brad Ottens wasn't it? Think Dan is a good player, been fantastic since he went down back. But stuff me we are making off like bandits if we're getting anything more than pick 6.

That was a long long time ago, you generally get a lot better returns for players then you did even 3-5 years ago let alone 25 years ago. Adelaide traded Danger to Geelong for picks 9&28 and some dude called Dean Gore. Granted he was out of contract so it’s a bit of a different situation but still.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on October 07, 2024, 07:47:20 PM
Were not getting 13. It's going to someone else in the Houston trade unless it's a mega trade.
Sadly, that looks the case.

SUNS' PREFERENCE TO DEAL WITH PIES

Gold Coast has a preference to deal with Collingwood in a trade for its highly sought after pick No.13, potentially putting the Pies in the box seat to land Dan Houston from Port Adelaide.

A host of clubs have come hard for Gold Coast's in-demand selection, but the Suns would prefer to deal with Collingwood over the pick as they haggle over a trade for contracted defender John Noble.

"We're keen to deal with the clubs that we're trying to find some players from. That would be our first preference," Gold Coast list manager Craig Cameron told AFL.com.au's Gettable Trade Radio on Monday.

"(But) pick No.13 has become pretty popular, so we'll see how it pans out. I wouldn't say [Collingwood] is in front, but we're prepared to deal with them to see where we can get to on the John Noble stuff."

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1241367/inside-trading-gold-coast-suns-preference-to-deal-with-pies-western-bulldogs-up-offer-hawk-ethan-phillips-gets-interest
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on October 07, 2024, 07:50:00 PM
That almost sounds like they think we’ll roll over on getting 6 and 13 for Rioli. Which somewhat irks me.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hart4Jack on October 07, 2024, 08:06:44 PM
That almost sounds like they think we’ll roll over on getting 6 and 13 for Rioli. Which somewhat irks me.


They've been pushing for Rioli all year, if they don't cough up what we want we tell them we'll keep him. After all he's still contracted for 3 more years.
What a bunch of knobs.
Pay up or pizz off.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on October 07, 2024, 08:12:52 PM
'We're hoping to achieve what's best for Richmond' - Hartley

Richmond GM of Football Talent Blair Hartley spoke to the media this morning as the AFL trade period commences.

(https://resources.richmondfc.com.au/photo-resources/2024/10/07/ae37e036-af8a-4b7a-b88a-7163b1ef2fa7/om1v7y5h.jpg?width=451&height=268) (https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1674129/were-hoping-to-achieve-whats-best-for-richmond-hartley)
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1674129/were-hoping-to-achieve-whats-best-for-richmond-hartley
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 07, 2024, 10:34:54 PM
Noble for Pick 13 is absolutely nonsense. Absolutely crazy.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: pmac21 on October 07, 2024, 10:45:43 PM
I heard somewhere we had interest McHenry from Crows.  He's just been delisted. 
 
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on October 07, 2024, 10:52:57 PM
I heard somewhere we had interest McHenry from Crows.  He's just been delisted. 
 

Jeez if you think our current small forwards are frustrating to watch....pass..... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 07, 2024, 11:43:29 PM
'We're hoping to achieve what's best for Richmond' - Hartley

Richmond GM of Football Talent Blair Hartley spoke to the media this morning as the AFL trade period commences.

(https://resources.richmondfc.com.au/photo-resources/2024/10/07/ae37e036-af8a-4b7a-b88a-7163b1ef2fa7/om1v7y5h.jpg?width=451&height=268) (https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1674129/were-hoping-to-achieve-whats-best-for-richmond-hartley)
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1674129/were-hoping-to-achieve-whats-best-for-richmond-hartley

This was the most nothing interview in the history of interviews lol.


They really drag this trade period thing out for nothing more than their precious trade radio and social media engagement. Garauntee the same number of deals get done if they cut it down to half. 5 days Mon-Fri.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on October 08, 2024, 12:06:31 AM
The draft itself is the biggest media driven gimmick of all. :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 08, 2024, 07:19:03 AM
'We're hoping to achieve what's best for Richmond' - Hartley

Richmond GM of Football Talent Blair Hartley spoke to the media this morning as the AFL trade period commences.

(https://resources.richmondfc.com.au/photo-resources/2024/10/07/ae37e036-af8a-4b7a-b88a-7163b1ef2fa7/om1v7y5h.jpg?width=451&height=268) (https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1674129/were-hoping-to-achieve-whats-best-for-richmond-hartley)
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1674129/were-hoping-to-achieve-whats-best-for-richmond-hartley

This was the most nothing interview in the history of interviews lol.


They really drag this trade period thing out for nothing more than their precious trade radio and social media engagement. Garauntee the same number of deals get done if they cut it down to half. 5 days Mon-Fri.

I know Blair hates doing media but talk about blood from a stone

And just as aside it shouldn't be "We're hoping to achieve..." should be "We will doing what's best for Richmond!"

Time to be what we say we are "Storng and Bold", be tough and uncompromising Tigers
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on October 08, 2024, 07:26:45 AM
I thought it was good. Giving nobody nothing. A great message to send.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on October 08, 2024, 08:52:27 AM
What we could have done:

Bolton, Graham + Baker to WCE.

WCE pay Graham $900k/year for 5 years, immediately extend his contract in 2025 for a 6th year on the same money so he's making $4.5mil over 6 years instead of 5. Band 1 compo, RFC get P2.

WCE trade P3 for Bolton. Richmond pays some of Bolton's wage to pay for Graham's silly contract.

Baker goes to WCE in the PSD.

Essentially:
Out - Bolton, Baker, Graham.
In - Pick 2, Pick 3.

WCE get all 3 for Pick 3, daylight robbery.

We get the top 3 picks.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Damo on October 08, 2024, 09:42:43 AM
be tough and compromising Tigers

Reckon your typo is like his ridiculous “hoping”
What an absurd thing for him to say
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 08, 2024, 10:35:19 AM
be tough and compromising Tigers

Reckon your typo is like his ridiculous “hoping”
What an absurd thing for him to say

thanks mines fixed
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on October 08, 2024, 01:24:43 PM
"I think we see the Shai Bolton deal go through. Richmond will target 10 and 11 and little by little we will see progress on these deals. Pick 6 is a good starting point for Dan Rioli." @CalTwomey

https://x.com/traderadio/status/1843458993378996548
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 08, 2024, 06:35:45 PM
In 2 working days has there been anything that resembles any sort of work.

My other question is, are we targeting any players in for trade? Or are we just rocking up for the food.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on October 09, 2024, 07:18:35 AM
THE TIGERS AND THEIR WANTAWAY THREE

The Tigers hold most of the cards as the national draft nears, but which of their big three moves is set to cause a domino effect for the rest of the major movement?

As things presently stand, Richmond will take nine selections into proceedings in late November, and that’s before it orchestrates trades for the imminently departing Daniel Rioli, Shai Bolton and Liam Baker.

The club is currently negotiating with Gold Coast, Fremantle and West Coast respectively, and as those talks progress, so will the rest of this player movement period.

A move for Rioli could be the first penny to drop, with it likely to centre on the Suns’ No. 6 choice and possibly also include a sweetener — say, their early-second-round Pick 29?

If not Rioli, a resolution to the Bolton situation could come first — but that might depend on a potential Fremantle-Melbourne pick exchange.

In all likelihood, the Dockers will need to surrender two of their three first-round picks for Bolton — it’s just a matter of which ones.

They currently have 10, 11 and 18, and the Tigers are said to be pushing for the former two, while the Dockers would prefer to maintain one of 10 and 11.

This is where the Dockers could get creative and force Richmond’s hand.

AFL Media journalist Cal Twomey recently reported Melbourne ‘has interest’ in swooping on one of those three Fremantle picks, with Demons list manager Tim Lamb declaring at Monday’s trade period opening his club “would love” another early pick in what shapes as “an outstanding draft”.

The Dees could offload their future first-rounder for Fremantle’s Pick 11 — which, in a separate point, helps the Dockers start accumulating for their 2025 pursuit of Chad Warner.

Then, if the Bolton exchange ultimately comprises Picks 10 and 18, from there, the avenues for a Baker trade between Richmond and West Coast open up substantially.

While most are predicting West Coast to use the pick it receives from Hawthorn — likely No. 14 — for Tom Barrass in its trade for Baker, the Eagles haven’t been shy about the possibility of splitting their No. 3 choice.

In fact, list boss Matthew Clarke said Pick 3 could “potentially” be included as part of the club’s Baker acquisition.

“We’re open to some other picks in this draft, so if that (Baker trade) can help unlock something like that, we’re open to it,” Clarke told AFL Trade Radio on Monday.

“Like a lot of other clubs, we want to get some talent in, but that (No. 3) could be involved, for sure.

“We’ve had a few clubs talk to (us) about it, and we’ve spoken to some clubs ourselves about what that (a trade) might look like, so that could ramp up.”

For example, Richmond could offer Liam Baker and Pick 10 (from Fremantle) for No. 3.

According to the draft value index, Baker — for the sake of this conversation, let’s say he is worth Pick 14 (1,161 points) — and No. 10 (1,395) combined (2,556) are worth more than No. 3 (2,234).

It gives the Eagles their hard-nosed utility as well as a top-end selection in a highly-touted count.

Completely alternatively, the Eagles could move to strike their agreement with the Hawks for Barrass before simply on-trading No. 14 to the Tigers.

Richmond has also been linked with Brisbane’s Pick 20 as the victorious Lions prepare to match father-son and Academy bids on Levi Ashcroft and Sam Marshall.

There is a world where the Tigers could hold Picks 1, 6 (from Gold Coast), 10 (from Fremantle), 14 (from West Coast), 18 (from Fremantle), 20 (from Brisbane) and 24 at the draft.

There is a raft of possibilities, and we’re hardly closer to knowing which mega move sets the wheels in motion.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trades-news-rumours-2024-trade-period-domino-effect-clubs-holding-the-cards-richmond-tigers-gold-coast-suns-dan-houston-carlton-blues-collingwood-magpies-analysis/news-story/946e3647fd574c5de9f5cc7769c5b1b1
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on October 09, 2024, 07:21:53 AM
‘The Yze eight’: Tigers primed to dominate draft like an expansion side as HUGE pick haul revealed

Will Faulkner and Jack Jovanovski
Fox Sports
October 9th, 2024


Richmond’s opportunity to head into this year’s draft with a generational draft hand is as alive as it ever has been, as the club negotiates the impending exodus of several premiership players.

With the trade period well and truly underway, the Tigers currently hold a whopping 10 draft picks - three more than any other club - and it looks almost certain to only get stronger.

Speaking on Fox Footy’s Trading Day, St Kilda great Leigh Montagna expressed an optimistic outlook on the expected departures of Daniel Rioli, Liam Baker and Shai Bolton - as well as Jack Graham who has officially landed at West Coast as a free agent.

“If everything goes to plan and Richmond gets all the deals done that they are looking to do … They could have eight picks inside the top 25 (which) can really set them up for their future,” Montagna begun by saying.

“The Yze Eight.

“They’ve currently got Picks 1 and 24. If they get Picks 6 and 23 for Dan Rioli … Pick 14 for Liam Baker, and then Picks 10 and 18 for Shai Bolton as well.

RICHMOND’S 2024 DRAFT HAND(as of Tuesday, October 8 ): Pick 1, 24, 32, 42, 43, 45, 51, 61, 70, 76

But despite their monster haul of five draft picks currently between the range of 32 and 51, the Tigers could well trade all of them for yet another shot higher up the draft order.

And conveniently, a trade of the handful of picks would greatly benefit Brisbane, who are in need of several mid-range selections to help them acquire father-son prospects Levi Ashcroft and Sam Marshall.

“They can get all of them, and there’s one extra pick, too, that we haven’t spoken about … for Richmond to get their hands on Pick 20 — that will come about from a pick-swap with the Brisbane Lions.

“The Brisbane Lions need points for (father-son prospect) Levi Ashcroft and (Academy graduate) Sam Marshall.

“(This haul) can set them up for a long time.”

POTENTIAL PICK SWAP
Richmond receive: Pick 20

Brisbane receive: Picks 32, 42, 43, 45, 51

“It’s an extraordinary haul when you think about it; this is going to fast-track their rebuild,” Trading Day panellist Jay Clark added.

“When does a club get seven or eight picks in one hit? Ross Lyon would give his kidney to get those picks to inject that sort of talent.

The expected exit of Daniel Rioli and Shai Bolton has long been speculated throughout the 2024 season, despite both players contracted at Punt Road until the end of 2027 and 2028 respectively.

But despite their initial intentions of staying at the club where they’ve won multiple premierships, Montagna has urged the Tigers to cut the duo loose for the betterment of their future. 

“This is why I think they have to get these deals done. I know there’s some talk about them wanting more — particularly with Fremantle (for Bolton),” Montagna continued.

“But if they can walk away with this hand, they can’t let this slip and keep players at their club in Rioli (and) Bolton that don’t really want to be there, and are probably going to ask for a trade next year and then lose out on this super draft to really stock up.

“It’s a great opportunity for the Tigers, and what it does is it gives them some real leverage at draft night, because we know live-trading is becoming really important and there are going to be clubs on draft night that are going to come clamouring for some of these first-round picks.

“We know they all want to get an extra pick in this year’s draft; it means Richmond can sit back, and depending on what they’ve already drafted and the hand they’ve got, they might be able to secure some future (capital) on top of what they’ve got.”

There is a world where Richmond at one point in time hold exactly one-third of the competition’s draft picks inside the first 24 selections.

RICHMOND’s POTENTIAL 2024 DRAFT HAND: Pick 1, 6, 10, 14, 18, 20, 23, 24

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trades-news-rumours-2024-richmond-tigers-could-have-best-draft-hand-in-years-what-picks-do-they-have-for-the-draft-this-year-shai-bolton-liam-baker-daniel-rioli-reactions-latest-news/news-story/9ae5ae5747b607fe1e86885112a3b039
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Knighter on October 09, 2024, 08:44:34 AM
stuffen stupid article. As if we are given 5 top 50 picks for pick 20. FMD these journos are dumb campaigners
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on October 09, 2024, 09:53:21 AM
The premium seems a little high from us to them but reality is we don’t need all of those picks - we cannot possibly use them and Brisbane needs 2000 points which those picks would give them. I would have preferred to use those picks on Goldie’s pick 13 but that now appears unlikely.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Francois Jackson on October 09, 2024, 09:57:13 AM
yze knows that he is colatteral damage should this trade period not go our way. Every top pick is vital and he knows it.

late picks are useless IMO for us, unless traded for earlier ones.

Dimma you blood sucking flog, fancing stuffing us over again after the last trades he left us with.





Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 09, 2024, 10:28:14 AM
Be interesting what Lions accept for Pick 20.

They will want more points but be interesting for journos to do some work and find out historically what clubs have accepted for points gathering. Do they get 1.5x what they give up.

Meaning would we expect for Lions to give up pick 20 (900) points and expect about 1300-1400 that of points from late picks. They would not be interested in trading a first rounder for a small increase in points of late picks.

I think trading 4 picks equalling 1379 points for Pick 20 which is worth 912 points is more than workable for both parties.

Pick 20 (912 points)
For
Pick 42, 43, 45, 51 (1379 points)

Means we keep pick 32 and 61.

Heard a good point that this would be the last trade we do, as if we don't get the trade deals done for the 3 boys we leave ourselves we bugger all picks. As we would have picks 1, 23, 32 left.

Expect to get a pick for Baker tho.

But I think those 4 points to Lions would be what we can expect to trade.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on October 09, 2024, 10:34:54 AM
Be interesting what Lions accept for Pick 20.

They will want more points but be interesting for journos to do some work and find out historically what clubs have accepted for points gathering. Do they get 1.5x what they give up.

Meaning would we expect for Lions to give up pick 20 (900) points and expect about 1300-1400 that of points from late picks. They would not be interested in trading a first rounder for a small increase in points of late picks.

I think trading 4 picks equalling 1379 points for Pick 20 which is worth 912 points is more than workable for both parties.

Pick 20 (912 points)
For
Pick 42, 43, 45, 51 (1379 points)

Means we keep pick 32 and 61.

Heard a good point that this would be the last trade we do, as if we don't get the trade deals done for the 3 boys we leave ourselves we bugger all picks. As we would have picks 1, 23, 32 left.

Expect to get a pick for Baker tho.

But I think those 4 points to Lions would be what we can expect to trade.

Historically I've seen clubs accepting a 400-500pt profit but obviously that depends on who's bidding.

The trade you suggesting is a very viable option and allows us to keep 32, which we should.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on October 09, 2024, 11:34:32 AM
Be interesting what Lions accept for Pick 20.

They will want more points but be interesting for journos to do some work and find out historically what clubs have accepted for points gathering. Do they get 1.5x what they give up.

Meaning would we expect for Lions to give up pick 20 (900) points and expect about 1300-1400 that of points from late picks. They would not be interested in trading a first rounder for a small increase in points of late picks.

I think trading 4 picks equalling 1379 points for Pick 20 which is worth 912 points is more than workable for both parties.

Pick 20 (912 points)
For
Pick 42, 43, 45, 51 (1379 points)

Means we keep pick 32 and 61.

Heard a good point that this would be the last trade we do, as if we don't get the trade deals done for the 3 boys we leave ourselves we bugger all picks. As we would have picks 1, 23, 32 left.

Expect to get a pick for Baker tho.

But I think those 4 points to Lions would be what we can expect to trade.

I’ve had a look and the premium varies widely but generally sits between 1.4 - 1.6
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 09, 2024, 11:53:15 AM
Yeah right, expected it to be around that. I'd think those 4 picks for pick 20 are pretty fair. Collingwood luckily would see pick 52 become 48 with those picks extinguishing. Would be a few more around that mark with other picks needed to be cashed in for points with GC and Carl. Lions will need more than that for Marshall as well. Be interesting if the would trade their future first for our Picks 24 and 32.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: yandb on October 09, 2024, 01:26:53 PM
This is the super draft forget about tradition and it's a sellers market, sell our picks starting from 70 and up until we have a 300 point bonus (about 1200 points) the offer that to Brisbane if they want more the it will be

pick 20 plus next year's 2nd ect.

Up to pick 43 it is 1150 if they want pick 42 then it will be their next year's 2nd, if they want pick 32 then we ask for next year's 1st rounder and we give them our next years 3rd rounder. (that is 990 points = pick 18) a

fair deal for all.

They get all our points up to pick 32 and our next years 3rd rounder we get pick 20 plus their next years 1st and 2nd rounder.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on October 09, 2024, 01:38:07 PM
This is the super draft forget about tradition and it's a sellers market, sell our picks starting from 70 and up until we have a 300 point bonus (about 1200 points) the offer that to Brisbane if they want more the it will be

pick 20 plus next year's 2nd ect.

Up to pick 43 it is 1150 if they want pick 42 then it will be their next year's 2nd, if they want pick 32 then we ask for next year's 1st rounder and we give them our next years 3rd rounder. (that is 990 points = pick 18) a

fair deal for all.

They get all our points up to pick 32 and our next years 3rd rounder we get pick 20 plus their next years 1st and 2nd rounder.

My opinion is that it will take all of picks 42, 43, 45, 51, 61, 70 just to get Brisbane's P20. That gives them a 641 point surplus to contribute to Ashcroft.

If they get an early bid on Ashcroft and need more points to match we can trade them 32 but would need a future pick coming back, but F1 is likely too much and F2 likely too little. But if they are desperate they may agree.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: yandb on October 09, 2024, 02:13:45 PM
Why do we give them a massive surplus in a super draft year?
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on October 09, 2024, 04:38:16 PM
To give them the points to get Ashcroft and for us to use up picks we are unlikely to want or be able to use and consolidate those picks into something of value in the top 20
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 09, 2024, 04:50:59 PM
Yeah have to give surplus. Why would they trade out a good pick for 5 poo ones at same value
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: camboon on October 09, 2024, 10:04:54 PM
They are doing an auction, whoever pays the most will get the pick ,
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on October 09, 2024, 10:13:03 PM
Even if we miss out we can still bid on Ashcroft on the night regardless and we'll still have leverage to threaten or screw over Gold Coast with a bid on Lombard if they screw us over with Rioli. Should bid on Kako as well. Bulk later picks to do trades & swaps with. :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 09, 2024, 10:20:27 PM
If we don’t trade with lions for a favourable outcome for us then we absolutely have to bid on Ashcroft. Garauntee if we do trade with them then we’ll also ‘deem’ Ashcroft not worthy of a bid at pick 1 that will save the lions additional points wink wink hush hush.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: yandb on October 09, 2024, 10:22:05 PM
Yeah have to give surplus. Why would they trade out a good pick for 5 poo ones at same value

We would give a surplus of 250 points which is almost  half of what they need for Marshall.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 10, 2024, 05:38:43 PM
Call me impatient but I did not expect to go into Friday with not 1 single trade bring done, not 1 trade even being close.

Baker not being seems fairly clear that it hinger on Hawks package. Can't see him going into pre season draft.

Bolton one is odd in that Freo are closest to premiership window, underachieved this year and have a gaping hole in the mid/fwd role with Walters finished and no replacement for Schultz from last year. The price has been set, poor as from Freo to try and get Bolton for cheap or at worst at value when he's contracted and we can easily refuse to deal. People ask why we expect overs is because these players were more than good enough to sign on a decent contract. We don't have an intention to trade them even at fair value. Come and pay up or don't waste time with bids that aren't good enough.

Rioli the same. GC have a history of paying overs, what a surprise it comes to a trade with Richmond and don't pay the asking price. Same as Bolton you want to take our contracted wanted player. Pay overs and stop wasting time. Stop holding out just pay up. I do think Pick 6 and 23 is fair even those their history suggest they would accept 6 and 13.

Frustrating to say the least but will cop that I'm being impatient.

My other question to Hartley would be, are we trying to trade anyone in? How haven't we done the Lions points picks yet? We have no back up ruckman? Naismith has retired and Nank is an injury prone 30yo. Surely we are in talks for a 2nd string ruck? What about KP forward? Lynch injury, Lefau knee, are we talking to any young KP forward who isn't getting a go? Who is the key forward behind McKay and Curnow. Who is the fwd behind Cameron Hawkins and Henry? Surely there is someone decent out there we can chase moneyball style.

Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 10, 2024, 05:44:04 PM
In fact will add Freo are a joke of a club. You have arguably the most exciting, highest ceiling player in the entire comp wanting to come to your club.

That player fills a huge void in your list.

Another club willing to pay their contract to ensure your salary cap isn't strained.

You are in a premiership list building window (somewhat)

You have the draft pick currency that the other club want.

And you offer unders, no top 10 pick and offer Pick 18 steak knives which ends up a pick in the 20s and claim this is a strong offer. This club is not a serious football club.

Where are the journos we need to start building rumours Shai will go to West Coast with Baker for pick 3.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on October 10, 2024, 06:08:27 PM
QUINTON Narkle remains without a contract for 2025, but at least a couple of clubs are monitoring his situation.

https://x.com/CalTwomey/status/1844249265696276837

Are we one of these clubs?
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: pmac21 on October 10, 2024, 06:16:11 PM
You don't know what's happening behind the scenes but publicly we need to be talking about holding Daniel & Shai to their contracts.
I for one would be happy to see them remain at Tigerland!! 
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on October 10, 2024, 06:20:40 PM
"Seb Ross or Tim Membrey should be two players the Tigers look at, they just need a bit more experience. They need one or two more players that can come in and guide the youth at the Tigers. Ross would start in their midfield, and Membrey would be great to help out Tom Lynch."

- Sam [Edmund] and Kane [Cornes] ponder if Richmond need some more experience in their line-up to help the young players.

https://x.com/traderadio/status/1844120524722778280
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: georgies31 on October 10, 2024, 06:29:58 PM
We been linked to Harry Sharp from lions was emergency gf.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 10, 2024, 06:36:51 PM
You don't know what's happening behind the scenes but publicly we need to be talking about holding Daniel & Shai to their contracts.
I for one would be happy to see them remain at Tigerland!!

Absolutely agree with this, GC won't ever have pressure from their fanbase but Freo fan base will start getting impatient if it looks like Shai is staying.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: camboon on October 10, 2024, 06:37:05 PM
Whatever skeleton man Korns say we should do the opposite , narcissist unlikeable troll
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 10, 2024, 06:37:49 PM
"Seb Ross or Tim Membrey should be two players the Tigers look at, they just need a bit more experience. They need one or two more players that can come in and guide the youth at the Tigers. Ross would start in their midfield, and Membrey would be great to help out Tom Lynch."

- Sam [Edmund] and Kane [Cornes] ponder if Richmond need some more experience in their line-up to help the young players.

https://x.com/traderadio/status/1844120524722778280

Get stuffed Cornes, Ross and Membrey would be massive list cloggers.

Go ang get a 22-25yo forward that has potential to still improve. Would rather a Tabener type player.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: camboon on October 10, 2024, 06:39:12 PM
I hope they both stay , but if we get overs happy with that result too but not if we roll over .
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on October 10, 2024, 06:43:18 PM
"Seb Ross or Tim Membrey should be two players the Tigers look at, they just need a bit more experience. They need one or two more players that can come in and guide the youth at the Tigers. Ross would start in their midfield, and Membrey would be great to help out Tom Lynch."

- Sam [Edmund] and Kane [Cornes] ponder if Richmond need some more experience in their line-up to help the young players.

https://x.com/traderadio/status/1844120524722778280

Get stuffed Cornes, Ross and Membrey would be massive list cloggers.

Go ang get a 22-25yo forward that has potential to still improve. Would rather a Tabener type player.

If we got Ross at least Tim Watson's old man will  finally be proud to have a relative playing for Richmond. :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 10, 2024, 06:56:12 PM
Hard no on Seb Ross. I keep saying it but we have Prestia, TT and Hopper in the midfield to help the kids we draft in that position.

Membrey well, I’d consider any KPF as a delisted free agent considering how thin we are in that position.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on October 11, 2024, 08:13:49 AM
"He is the best player in the trade period.

- Kane on Dan Houston

https://x.com/traderadio/status/1844476141031346291

Now which club does Houston come from  :whistle
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Knighter on October 11, 2024, 08:38:51 AM
stuff off Kane u moron
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on October 11, 2024, 09:46:23 AM
Think there's a strong argument that Bolton is better lmao
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Willy on October 11, 2024, 10:18:25 AM
Membrey wouldn’t be a bad stop gap option IMO.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 11, 2024, 11:23:55 AM
Bolton is miles better.

Sure Houston had a better year this year. But to suggest a bruise free elite kick half back is better than a match winning all Aus mid/fwd with Mark or the Year and Goal of the Year all over him is absolutely mentally embarrassing.

I like Kane but his bias towards Port Adelaide is parallel to Eddie and Collingwood and should not be being endorsed in mainstream.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: OneEyedRichmond on October 11, 2024, 01:14:12 PM
The Baggers have gone bang!!

Pick14 😉🤫

Baker & Bolton for 10,11 & 18??

https://x.com/tommorris32/status/1844561945627865186?s=46&t=7da_RTBaGiPwKBo1aKmuVg
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Willy on October 11, 2024, 01:44:22 PM
Reckon we could do Baker and 18 (for Shai) for pick 3?
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on October 11, 2024, 01:58:52 PM
The Baggers have gone bang!!

Pick14 😉🤫

Baker & Bolton for 10,11 & 18??

https://x.com/tommorris32/status/1844561945627865186?s=46&t=7da_RTBaGiPwKBo1aKmuVg

You snooze you lose...

Hawthorn had offered West Coast Pick 14 and a F2, with a F3 going back to Hawthorn. Richmond was OK with Pick 14 as the centrepiece for Baker.

But the Hawks were sick of waiting so pulled the trigger with Carlton. Barrass & Baker in limbo. Better now than Wednesday!

https://x.com/tommorris32/status/1844561945627865186
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on October 11, 2024, 02:12:11 PM
Reckon we could do Baker and 18 (for Shai) for pick 3?
Richmond not interested in a pick slide with Eagles on Baker. Baker has a Plan B (Freo) that sees him as a Docker

https://x.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1844553596744220937
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on October 11, 2024, 02:13:45 PM
So Brisbane trades pick 20 to Richmond for four later picks (32, 42, 43 and 45) to give the Tigers yet another early pick. As explained here, they nearly double the value of pick 20. Gives Richmond 1, 20, 24 with many more early picks to come

https://x.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1844548525130207734
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 11, 2024, 02:43:19 PM
Richmond apparently not interested in trading away a top 20 pick to get pick 3.

One that hasn't been mentioned is, would we do Bolton and Baker for Pick 3?
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: georgies31 on October 11, 2024, 02:56:18 PM
Baker and Bolton for 10 ,11 and 18 were do I sign.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on October 11, 2024, 03:07:37 PM
Reckon we could do Baker and 18 (for Shai) for pick 3?
Richmond not interested in a pick slide with Eagles on Baker. Baker has a Plan B (Freo) that sees him as a Docker

https://x.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1844553596744220937

Great.

I'll accept 10 + 11 + 18 for both Bolton + Baker.

I would prefer this so much that I'd even pay some Bolton wage ffs.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 11, 2024, 03:08:52 PM
I'm confused how Freo wouldn't accept this with us paying half his wage. Absolute God deal for Freo.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on October 11, 2024, 05:10:14 PM
Now it's a four-way race for the @GoldCoastSUNS Pick 13...

Melb: F1 & 2nd rounder (this year)
Syd: 19 & 22
Dogs: F1
Coll: Noble & F1 for 13 & 23

The @sydneyswans are in a similar position to GC. They have elite 2025 academy talent, so are more interested in next year's draft than other clubs.

The Suns won't go to the draft with this selection.

https://x.com/tommorris32/status/1844617155263988057
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on October 11, 2024, 05:20:45 PM
Reckon we could do Baker and 18 (for Shai) for pick 3?
Richmond not interested in a pick slide with Eagles on Baker. Baker has a Plan B (Freo) that sees him as a Docker

https://x.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1844553596744220937

Great.

I'll accept 10 + 11 + 18 for both Bolton + Baker.

I would prefer this so much that I'd even pay some Bolton wage ffs.

Fremantle had been keen through the year to offer all three of its first-round picks – No.10, 11 and 18 – for Baker and teammate Shai Bolton.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1242311
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on October 11, 2024, 05:25:17 PM
"Liam Baker, now he doesn't have the smooth access to West Coast...Do the Dockers consider taking Bolton and Baker for 10,11 and 18?" - Damian Barrett

"Absolutely you look at it, that conversation has to happen." - Brad Johnson

#AFLTrade

https://x.com/traderadio/status/1844594252937900329
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 11, 2024, 05:30:46 PM
LOL if Baker ends up at Freo and not WC...Mini McQualter for one would be peeved

As for Barass, he's contracted so WC can just hold him to his contract
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on October 11, 2024, 05:37:11 PM
Poor old Jack Graham still in a bottom 4 side but all on his lonesome and even further from home.... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Damo on October 11, 2024, 05:53:19 PM
Poor old Jack Graham still in a bottom 4 side but all on his lonesome and even further from home.... :shh

 :cheers :cheers :cheers
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on October 11, 2024, 06:09:40 PM
Membrey wouldn’t be a bad stop gap option IMO.

A better one than Koshitski at least.... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on October 11, 2024, 06:40:49 PM
Deals are done:

Bolton -> picks 9 & 10
Rioli    -> picks 6 & 13
Baker  -> pick 12 (Barrass pick from Hawks)

😉
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Assange Tiger 😎 on October 11, 2024, 06:41:28 PM
Not sure why the media haven't reported on this. The deals are done
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on October 11, 2024, 06:44:05 PM
Not sure why the media haven't reported on this. The deals are done

They're just waiting to for the right time to drop the hammer....clearly not that time yet........ :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hart4Jack on October 11, 2024, 08:07:25 PM
Not sure why the media haven't reported on this. The deals are done

Details please. :)
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on October 11, 2024, 08:19:35 PM
Not sure why the media haven't reported on this. The deals are done

Details please. :)

You'll need to pm OneEyedRichmond... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 11, 2024, 08:24:54 PM
I guess 10, 11 & 18 for baker and Bolton it is then.

I still think that’s an absolute ripper deal for Freo. Call me bias but 10+11 for Bolton is an absolute non negotiable and 18 for baker seems like slight unders. Maybe that’s just because I had it in my head we’d be getting 14 instead.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: OneEyedRichmond on October 11, 2024, 08:29:55 PM
WC -> pick12 & 14
Carl -> pick 3

😉🤫
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hart4Jack on October 11, 2024, 08:31:56 PM
Not sure why the media haven't reported on this. The deals are done

Details please. :)

You'll need to pm OneEyedRichmond... :shh

Oh I see.  :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on October 11, 2024, 08:34:32 PM
Not sure why the media haven't reported on this. The deals are done

Details please. :)

You'll need to pm OneEyedRichmond... :shh

Who is also apparently our list manager
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on October 11, 2024, 09:09:37 PM
Not sure why the media haven't reported on this. The deals are done

Details please. :)

You'll need to pm OneEyedRichmond... :shh

Who is also apparently our list manager

He's a real star..... :shh :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 11, 2024, 09:32:18 PM
Now it's a four-way race for the @GoldCoastSUNS Pick 13...

Melb: F1 & 2nd rounder (this year)
Syd: 19 & 22
Dogs: F1
Coll: Noble & F1 for 13 & 23

The @sydneyswans are in a similar position to GC. They have elite 2025 academy talent, so are more interested in next year's draft than other clubs.

The Suns won't go to the draft with this selection.

https://x.com/tommorris32/status/1844617155263988057

All these deals are atrocious.If GC entertains any of them apart from maybe Melbourne's they are idiots. I mean Melb future first, I can't see them being a top 6 side next year after this year's mess. Gawn a year older. Oliver miles off it and Trec pretty serious injury. So at worst it's a straight swap of picks and they get Dees 2nd rounder this year.

That's the best deal.

Sydney deal is embarrassing. Every chance Kako and Marshall get picked up in-between and the 19 pick becomes 21.so lose 8 spots in the draft for a extra pick in 20s that probably blows out to 30s.

Pies trading Noble for anything is embarrassing. VFL player.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 11, 2024, 09:35:40 PM
WC -> pick12 & 14
Carl -> pick 3

😉🤫

If Eagles accept that, the entire football department should walk. 12 and 14 will be 14 and 16 after Ashcroft and Lombard.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 11, 2024, 09:37:20 PM
If Eagles really want Baker and are brave enough with their improvement they can trade a F1 for Baker and Pick 18.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: pmac21 on October 11, 2024, 09:41:14 PM
Trade week is a farce when pick swaps are breaking news. 
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on October 11, 2024, 10:10:12 PM
Trade week is a farce when pick swaps are breaking news.

Really didn't need to add anything after "farce"..... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: OneEyedRichmond on October 12, 2024, 09:13:52 AM
Finally a very measured and balanced story on the afl site about why Shai is vital to freo.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1242327/right-player-right-time-stakes-high-for-fremantle-dockers-in-shai-bolton-chase
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: MintOnLamb on October 12, 2024, 10:02:00 AM
TBH I can’t wait for this to be over and done with.
If Freo doesn’t give us 10 and 11 they can p off.
I think Bolton will be great for us next year, Baker can go after his B and F performance.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on October 12, 2024, 10:26:49 AM
In my view, there’s very little balance to us winning or losing trade week - apart from what we get for Baker.
Bolton and Rioli have years left on their contract so both can sweat a little if need be.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: MintOnLamb on October 12, 2024, 06:51:18 PM
In my view, there’s very little balance to us winning or losing trade week - apart from what we get for Baker.
Bolton and Rioli have years left on their contract so both can sweat a little if need be.
Agree
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: OneEyedRichmond on October 12, 2024, 08:52:09 PM
Freo have officially put picks 10,11 & 18 for Bolton & Baker.

Just have to get Baker to request trade to Freo
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 12, 2024, 09:17:04 PM
Freo have officially put picks 10,11 & 18 for Bolton & Baker.

Just have to get Baker to request trade to Freo

I don't think we need to get Baker to do anything.

If he wants WA it's on our terms or we pick him up in PSD.

For mine Baker is fairly simple. He goes to WCE for whatever they get for Barrass, or he goes to Freo in Bolton package.

If he denies Freo then risk having to go in PSD and be picked up by us. Or he can go normal draft and gut feel a Carlton picks him up in teens and doesn't get WA like he wants.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on October 13, 2024, 06:03:41 PM
Hmm....

https://x.com/CalTwomey/status/1845349293361856972

 :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: pmac21 on October 13, 2024, 07:01:20 PM
Hmm....

https://x.com/CalTwomey/status/1845349293361856972

 :shh
Melbourne fo this stuff well.  If it happens of course
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 13, 2024, 09:00:07 PM
Love this, no way Kako gets a bid inside top 10 but clubs have scared Bombers enough to not risk it. Genius.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: camboon on October 13, 2024, 09:22:53 PM
They scared themselves , a lot of bad blood through Didorio
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 14, 2024, 09:30:01 PM
I think the bombers did well here. They’re getting Melbourne first next year which depending on where you think they sit pretty much cancels out the pick 9 that they gave up. I personally think the demons are done contending, too much noise of discontent coming out of there. + they got all those extra picks on top which will allow them to match the bid on their NGA player with some left over. If they kept their draft hand as it was they would have gone into a points deficit for next years draft I think.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 14, 2024, 09:32:25 PM
So at the end of day 8 of a 10 day trade period a grand total of 0 players have been traded…..

Change it to 5 days Mon-Fri and even that is generous. It’s not like clubs can’t start discussions around trades as soon as their season is over anyway.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on October 14, 2024, 09:39:28 PM
Pick 3 (WCE > ???)

... in the final stretch of this trade period, it seems rival offers for West Coast’s No. 3 spot will come thick and fast.

... Then there’s Richmond, who has its hands on just about every other pick at this year’s count as it prepares to inject some serious youth into its rebuilding unit.

Following likely trades with Fremantle and Gold Coast for Shai Bolton and Daniel Rioli, respectively, the Tigers, after the first overall pick, are likely to have their paws on 6, 10 and 18 at a minimum.

Along with Picks 20 and 24 within the first 25, Richmond has major assets it can use if it wishes to secure another choice near the very top of the order.

For the Eagles, splitting the third overall selection is more than a viable option.

“I think you’d take the two for one in this draft if the two picks were inside 20,” Sheehan said of the idea of West Coast splitting Pick 3.

“I think the likelihood is high that the top 25 or so will be long-term players, and some champions of the game.

“The depth inside the top 20-25 players is enormous. Pick 18 could be as good as Pick 8.”

Similarly, North Melbourne could bite on the chance to split Pick 2 and add to its hand early in the piece, as its next pick currently isn’t set to come until the No. 25 slot.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trades-2024-pick-swap-frenzy-taking-over-trade-period-lack-of-player-movement-afl-draft-analysis-latest-news/news-story/c2f0c90c6dd204151de128ebe6db8404
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: pmac21 on October 15, 2024, 09:12:44 AM
Just a guess but maybe we didn't seek pick 3 as we have a deal with Kangas for pick 2
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Francois Jackson on October 15, 2024, 09:41:29 AM
Just a guess but maybe we didn't seek pick 3 as we have a deal with Kangas for pick 2

likely if they want lalor and fos.

we will find out soon.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 15, 2024, 09:58:03 AM
I don't think there is enough smoke about us getting pick 2-3. Mainly because I think if we look to be doing deals for the picks we haven't acquired yet we play our hand to Freo and GC that we now really need those picks for these deals and they have leverage. For us to get best deal for Bolton and Rioli we need to keep tight on they stay and play for us in 2025 unless we get max deal.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on October 15, 2024, 11:19:39 AM
Reportedly this is a done deal.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1245094/trade-talk-live-tuesday-october-15

RFC
Out - Baker
In - 14

CAR
Out - 12, 14, 73, Owies
In - 3, 63, 68

WCE
Out - 3
In - Baker, Owies, 12, 73
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on October 15, 2024, 11:20:32 AM
I think this is a poor decision by WCE if true.

Carlton have done well and so have we.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 15, 2024, 11:44:15 AM
Eagles have had an absolute mare.

The only way they can justify this is wanting Allen at 12 an expecting him to be there not wanting an interstate kid. With Freo with Pick 11 for we except picks 10,18 for Bolton. It's a shocker if they pick him up
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on October 15, 2024, 12:45:13 PM
We should take Allen at 10 or 11 now just for the laughs.... :shh

Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Francois Jackson on October 15, 2024, 12:58:22 PM
We should take Allen at 10 or 11 now just for the laughs.... :shh

given eagles are in the business of being bent over with no lube, we can offer them allan for a swap of pick 10 to 12 and an extra pick 20's pick for being stupid.



Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on October 15, 2024, 01:00:26 PM
We should take Allen at 10 or 11 now just for the laughs.... :shh

given eagles are in the business of being bent over with no lube, we can offer them allan for a swap of pick 10 to 12 and an extra pick 20's pick for being stupid.


Only caveat is we don't really want them holding a grudge when Reid comes on the market.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on October 15, 2024, 02:01:34 PM
So by the end of the day Richmond will have picks one, six, 14, 20, 23, 24 with Freo's 10 to come over Bolton. Bolton's management flew into Melbourne last night to try to work on the deal. Richmond needs a pick in the 30s to hand back to the Suns. Freo offering 10 and 18, Richmond still asking for 10 and 11 but a compromise surely likely. They have plenty of elite picks so can shuffle one back to get that pick in the 30s for the Suns

https://x.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1845937304420209047
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on October 15, 2024, 02:03:19 PM
Q: North can easily split pick 2 this year with Richmond and satisfy Port.

Ralph: If I was Richmond I would be interested. Secure all those picks in this year’s draft then give up 10 for the Roos future first. So get this year’s draft hand and then likely two top 5 picks next year given they will be awful and the Roos could still win 6-8 games & be bottom 5

https://x.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1845955830547730874
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: OneEyedRichmond on October 15, 2024, 02:24:38 PM
Caller on SEN

Pick 3 -> DeKoning???? 🤫

Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: torch on October 15, 2024, 02:48:44 PM
Q: North can easily split pick 2 this year with Richmond and satisfy Port.

Ralph: If I was Richmond I would be interested. Secure all those picks in this year’s draft then give up 10 for the Roos future first. So get this year’s draft hand and then likely two top 5 picks next year given they will be awful and the Roos could still win 6-8 games & be bottom 5

https://x.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1845955830547730874

Absolutely we should go for Pick 2!

1, 2, 6, 10 and give North Pick 11 and a pointless pick ...

Imagine Lalor, Langford or Smith ... perfect!
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 15, 2024, 03:13:16 PM
We’ve just seen pick 3 traded for 12 & 14 with sweeteners. That sets the price for pick 2. Kangas can’t ask for our pick 6 from Rioli and we also can’t expect to get it using pick 18 if we get that for bolts. Would only work for 10 & 11 (providing we get both for Bolton) or 10/11 & 14. With pick 2 we should get an out and out gun, 2 picks 10-14 is far riskier but everyone’s talking about how even the draft it is so who knows.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on October 15, 2024, 05:20:51 PM
https://x.com/WestCoastEagles/status/184598189576053181

Eagles fans in meltdown in the comments lol.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on October 15, 2024, 05:30:41 PM
Houston a problem for Karen:


https://x.com/kanecornes/status/1846070494749249617

 :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 15, 2024, 09:22:55 PM
Caller on SEN

Pick 3 -> DeKoning???? 🤫

Context?
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: OneEyedRichmond on October 15, 2024, 09:34:01 PM
A little bird told me …

10, 11 & 18 for Bolton & 14😉
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on October 15, 2024, 09:41:14 PM
A little bird told me …

10, 11 & 18 for Bolton & 14😉

Yes Jackstarisbackisbackagain2024 no doubt one of the many "little birds" that's been singing that tune all over the internet for at least the last couple of hours...well done Scoop.... :clapping(https://metalneverbends.forumotion.com/users/3115/50/25/04/smiles/3856699174.gif) :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 15, 2024, 10:27:41 PM
I think we need to trade in a player from another club  :whistle

Just to see the reaction because pounds to peanuts it wouldn't matter who people would find fault with it

Thereby generating some interesting discussion  :cheers

And BTW there is no chance of WC trading Reid to anyone, let alone us. They will hold him to his contract
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 15, 2024, 10:45:43 PM
Id take Membrey for our very bare bones forward stocks. Can't be worse than Kosi.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on October 15, 2024, 10:49:06 PM


And BTW there is no chance of WC trading Reid to anyone, let alone us. They will hold him to his contract

What rot - if he doesn't want to be there you reckon they're gonna wait until he's out of contract and risk him walking to the PSD not to mention waiting until the Tassie affected drafts to trade him? Until he actually signs that extension he's absolutely gettable...reckon Norf wanted to let JHF go after one year? :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on October 15, 2024, 10:54:56 PM
Id take Membrey for our very bare bones forward stocks. Can't be worse than Kosi.

Wouldn't be worse than Kosi, would be considerably better. :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 15, 2024, 10:56:18 PM
Id take Membrey for our very bare bones forward stocks. Can't be worse than Kosi.

Same as delisted free agent, nothing to lose there
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: the claw on October 15, 2024, 11:50:21 PM
What about the bulldogs smith. Need to make the bastard get a medical but other than that he is still only 24.

If he is alright after his knee he would be the best outside mid we have. Not that he is all outside. Plenty of contested ball lays tackles and wins clearances.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 16, 2024, 07:18:37 AM


And BTW there is no chance of WC trading Reid to anyone, let alone us. They will hold him to his contract

What rot - if he doesn't want to be there you reckon they're gonna wait until he's out of contract and risk him walking to the PSD not to mention waiting until the Tassie affected drafts to trade him? Until he actually signs that extension he's absolutely gettable...reckon Norf wanted to let JHF go after one year? :shh

Here's the thing your assumption is he is somehow homesick and wants to leave. I'm of the belief after talking to friends in WA that he is quite happy over there, actually enjoys the spotlight, so yeah I reckon they'll hold him to his contract and I still believe he will extend

As for JHF, yeah I think that were some within N0rt who wanted him gone .. .do I need to add one of these  :shh to make my point  ;D
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on October 16, 2024, 08:02:21 AM
I have heard his old man wants him home.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: MintOnLamb on October 16, 2024, 09:13:45 AM
I am pleased we are not involved in trying to pick up retreads from other clubs
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on October 16, 2024, 09:27:18 AM
I'd be enquiring with Smith but if he isn't interested just move on.

Good player and young.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: OneEyedRichmond on October 16, 2024, 10:02:05 AM
A little bird told me …

10, 11 & 18 for Bolton & 14😉

Yes Jackstarisbackisbackagain2024 no doubt one of the many "little birds" that's been singing that tune all over the internet for at least the last couple of hours...well done Scoop.... :clapping(https://metalneverbends.forumotion.com/users/3115/50/25/04/smiles/3856699174.gif) :shh

All done 🤫😉

Dockers also got our future 3rd 🤫
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Damo on October 16, 2024, 10:29:45 AM
A little bird told me …

10, 11 & 18 for Bolton & 14😉

Yes Jackstarisbackisbackagain2024 no doubt one of the many "little birds" that's been singing that tune all over the internet for at least the last couple of hours...well done Scoop.... :clapping(https://metalneverbends.forumotion.com/users/3115/50/25/04/smiles/3856699174.gif) :shh

All done 🤫😉

Dockers also got our future 3rd 🤫

So you were wrong

Again
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: OneEyedRichmond on October 16, 2024, 10:36:23 AM
A little bird told me …

10, 11 & 18 for Bolton & 14😉

Yes Jackstarisbackisbackagain2024 no doubt one of the many "little birds" that's been singing that tune all over the internet for at least the last couple of hours...well done Scoop.... :clapping(https://metalneverbends.forumotion.com/users/3115/50/25/04/smiles/3856699174.gif) :shh

All done 🤫😉

Dockers also got our future 3rd 🤫

So you were wrong

Again

Oh sorry I forgot to add the junk pick 🤡 :shh :shh :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Damo on October 16, 2024, 10:43:54 AM
A little bird told me …

10, 11 & 18 for Bolton & 14😉

Yes Jackstarisbackisbackagain2024 no doubt one of the many "little birds" that's been singing that tune all over the internet for at least the last couple of hours...well done Scoop.... :clapping(https://metalneverbends.forumotion.com/users/3115/50/25/04/smiles/3856699174.gif) :shh

All done 🤫😉

Dockers also got our future 3rd 🤫

So you were wrong

Again

Oh sorry I forgot to add the junk pick 🤡 :shh :shh :shh

It’s ok

You haven’t been correct once so far

I wanted you to maintain your perfect record
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 16, 2024, 10:51:43 AM
A little bird told me …

10, 11 & 18 for Bolton & 14😉

Yes Jackstarisbackisbackagain2024 no doubt one of the many "little birds" that's been singing that tune all over the internet for at least the last couple of hours...well done Scoop.... :clapping(https://metalneverbends.forumotion.com/users/3115/50/25/04/smiles/3856699174.gif) :shh

All done 🤫😉

Dockers also got our future 3rd 🤫

So you were wrong

Again

Oh sorry I forgot to add the junk pick 🤡 :shh :shh :shh

It’s ok

You haven’t been correct once so far

I wanted you to maintain your perfect record

 :lol
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: OneEyedRichmond on October 16, 2024, 12:22:25 PM
You clown … where else was I wrong??..

Early September I let you all know that..

Picks 10✅& 11✅we’re coming our way for Bolton

Hawks first pick 14✅for baker

Rioli pick 6✅& 13 (obviously wrong on that but 23 is still a first rounder

Some people are just never happy  :banghead :help
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: camboon on October 16, 2024, 01:53:20 PM
Give credit where credit is due, closest to the pin you are
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: georgies31 on October 16, 2024, 02:48:57 PM
People having melts on a 2025 3rd rounder that will be 40 plus
That deal with Freo for Baker and Bolton was never confirmed by them 10,11 and 18
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: MintOnLamb on October 16, 2024, 04:09:01 PM
People having melts on a 2025 3rd rounder that will be 40 plus
That deal with Freo for Baker and Bolton was never confirmed by them 10,11 and 18
I believe it was 10,11, 14  with the proviso we get their 18 for our 14 which equals 10,11,18
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Francois Jackson on October 16, 2024, 04:55:52 PM
if we trade out 10 and 11 for pick 2 then there is no chance armstrong is left at 18. I doubt he goes at our third pick.





Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 16, 2024, 05:07:57 PM
if we trade out 10 and 11 for pick 2 then there is no chance armstrong is left at 18. I doubt he goes at our third pick.

If North take 10, 11 for Pick 2 I probably take it. Pick 1, 2 and 6 is a hand of God type draft.

I reckon Shanahan will be there at 18 who is a jet. Whitlock too.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on October 16, 2024, 05:13:02 PM
"The trade period begins again tomorrow where the draft pick exchange happens until November 8th. Then there is a blackout period and then on draft night, it happens all over again."

Cal Twomey on the swapping of draft picks leading into  the 2024 AFL Draft

https://x.com/traderadio/status/1846432556235030529
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: wayne on October 16, 2024, 05:56:00 PM
You’re not getting 9 & 10 for Bolton … deluded

 :rollin
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on October 16, 2024, 06:09:36 PM
You’re not getting 9 & 10 for Bolton … deluded

 :rollin

We didn’t actually get 9 & 10 or 10 & 11. We effectively traded up 14 to 11 for Baker and got 10 and 18 for Bolton
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 16, 2024, 06:16:52 PM
That is the most pessimistic view you could ever take.

Baker was traded to West Coast for pick 14

Bolton, pick 14 & F3 were traded to Freo for picks 10, 11 and 18. We got 10 and 11 and slid 4 spots from 14 to 18 while throwing in a novelty pick.

They are 2 seperate deals.

Go look at the majority of reactions from freo, west coast fans and even better supporters of neither of those teams if you want a non partisan perspective.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on October 16, 2024, 06:40:45 PM
It’s not pessimistic, it’s facts. Reality is Baker and Bolton to Freo lands us 10,11 and 18. I get Baker might not be happy or agreeable but I frankly don’t give a rats toss bag about Baker. We gave him his start in the afl and 2 flags. I am sick of people pandering the players whims.

It’s a good deal but it’s NOT 10 and 11.
More than that happened
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 16, 2024, 06:47:13 PM
You may not give a rats toss bag about baker but you can’t trade him to a team he doesn’t want to go to, so where does that leave it?

Anyway, just so I understand, your upset that we didn’t deal both baker and Bolton to freo to net 10, 11 and 18 and instead dealt with WC and Freo to get 10, 11 and 18 while giving up a future third rounder??? So all this fuss over a future third rounder that will fall somewhere btw pick 40-50 depending on how many academy, father son, and free agency compo picks get slid in before hand??? Seriously cmon lol
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on October 16, 2024, 07:15:51 PM
I never said I was upset.
3 things:-
1) We didn’t get 10,11 for Bolton as we gave back 14 and got 18
2) Freo deal on both was a better deal for the club
3) I couldn’t give 2 poos what Baker wants. When he started his football journey, we delivered that. He then would have wanted a flag. He got 2.
Getting to the Eagles is not our responsibility, it’s his and the Eagles. Let’s be real here - Freo deal for both players was better

No emotion, facts sunshine.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 16, 2024, 07:18:42 PM
It isn’t facts. We couldn’t seal baker to freo so that deal you are suggesting never existed lol

Again the only difference between your non existent trade and the one we got is we lost a future 3rd.

Those are the true facts.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on October 16, 2024, 07:21:18 PM
Whatever. Dream on mate.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: MintOnLamb on October 16, 2024, 09:04:56 PM
I never said I was upset.
3 things:-
1) We didn’t get 10,11 for Bolton as we gave back 14 and got 18
2) Freo deal on both was a better deal for the club
3) I couldn’t give 2 poos what Baker wants. When he started his football journey, we delivered that. He then would have wanted a flag. He got 2.
Getting to the Eagles is not our responsibility, it’s his and the Eagles. Let’s be real here - Freo deal for both players was better

No emotion, facts sunshine.
No one wanted Baker, RFC gave him a shot
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on October 16, 2024, 09:20:16 PM
Given we gave him a start and 2 flags, he’s been a little ungracious and demanding but we move on.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on October 17, 2024, 12:57:03 AM
Hartley said the Tigers “wouldn’t rule out anything” in terms of trading picks on the night of the draft, or spreading their bets by trading some of this hand into 2025.

“Patience is required, but we’re really excited by what’s to come,” he said, adding that this regeneration process at Richmond “will take time, but people understand that.”

As Hawthorn has shown, the Tigers will soon become attractive to free agents and mature players who fit their needs once their youngsters make the great leap forward in development.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/like-an-expansion-team-tigers-make-history-on-day-of-sadness-rebirth-20241016-p5kiob.html
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on October 17, 2024, 08:51:20 AM
I'm open to the idea of trading 1-2 picks into 2025, but if the draft is as deep as they say it is I also don't see why we shouldn't have a big punt this year.

Variable to consider:
- if we draft 8 this year, will having too many draftees stifle their development/opportunities to get games?
- if we draft 8 this year, will be be better placed to rebuild as we'll get getting youth now rather than later?
- any other players with currency likely to leave in 2025?
- what's the 2025 draft looking like?
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 17, 2024, 11:30:16 AM
It's a fair discussion to have 8 draftees in top 25 in same draft.

History shows it doesn't really work. Our Deledio drafts, 1 pick was a success. The expansion clubs had multiple draft picks leave.

I think it should be able to work though. The expansion clubs didn't have the success factor to keep them. It wasn't really a money factor. Plus leaving for destination clubs vs a minnow.

I don't think we need to get rid of any of our first round selections. Maybe pair up 20, 23, 24 and see if we can get any 2025 picks. Mindful how many spots we have on our list too, we've had 3 leave plus retirements so we have plenty of vacancies to fill.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: yandb on October 17, 2024, 11:41:48 AM
Poor recruiting depts. were largely responsible for the poor outcomes.

We have a good team at the moment so we should get a good outcome which should set us up for the next 10 years.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on October 17, 2024, 11:47:29 AM
The picks I'd be offering to trade for future picks are 18, 20 & 23.

24 is 2nd round first pick and always covered to see who has slid etc.

We can get gun kids with 1+6.
KPF options with 10+11.
Slider with 24.

Could trade 1 or more of 18/20/23 to 2025 and have another stacked hand. Probably end up with another 5 top 25 picks.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on October 17, 2024, 01:21:45 PM
Hartley mentioned dfa's during his interview so sounds like we might be targeting one or two...hopefully Membrey though word is the Filth are after him .... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: RedanTiger on October 17, 2024, 01:54:13 PM
The picks I'd be offering to trade for future picks are 18, 20 & 23.

The problem with your thinking is you need to look at the actual players.
Armstrong is rated as 8-10 as the earliest key forward.
The next group of key forwards come in around 20.

Trading out each of 18, 20 and 23  means one less key forward.

Just based on Twomey's September rankings:
9 - Armstrong
19 - Shanahan
20 - Whitlock
22 - Faull
25 - Whitlock

Us getting 3 or even 4 of those forwards will fill our most gaping hole - key forwards
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 17, 2024, 02:00:49 PM
Pick 1: O'Sullivan
Pick 6: Lalor/Smillie
Pick 10: Armstrong
Pick 11: Trainor/Travaglia
Pick 18: Shanahan

If we can pull that off we are laughing rebuild wise. Particularly if Lalor slides to 6 but would be happy with Smillie if he gets taken.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on October 17, 2024, 02:49:54 PM
First 3 picks will be 1, 2 & 10..... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on October 17, 2024, 03:02:34 PM
The picks I'd be offering to trade for future picks are 18, 20 & 23.

The problem with your thinking is you need to look at the actual players.
Armstrong is rated as 8-10 as the earliest key forward.
The next group of key forwards come in around 20.

Trading out each of 18, 20 and 23  means one less key forward.

Just based on Twomey's September rankings:
9 - Armstrong
19 - Shanahan
20 - Whitlock
22 - Faull
25 - Whitlock

Us getting 3 or even 4 of those forwards will fill our most gaping hole - key forwards


Yeah it's hard to know until the night.

I want (based off current opinions):
1 - FOS/Lalor
6 - Smillie
10 - Armstrong
11 - midfielder
18 - Shanahan

If we get those 3 then I'd be happy to move later picks to 2025, however like Redan said I'd be looking at Faull and Whitlocks also (W's can apparently go back).

We need to look at upgrade options on Miller/Young.

And our forward line is utterly F'd.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 17, 2024, 03:37:06 PM
I wouldn’t use 3 first round picks on KPF. History shows they are extremely hit and miss and much riskier than drafting mids.

I think if we come away with 3 mids and 2 kpf’s we’ve done well.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 17, 2024, 03:46:11 PM
Hartley mentioned dfa's during his interview so sounds like we might be targeting one or two...hopefully Membrey though word is the Filth are after him .... :shh

How about Tomlinson? Just got delisted by the dees.

Problem is he’s adding a key position body at the wrong end of the ground. Really need some stop gap KPF’s to fill some spots while the kids develop.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on October 17, 2024, 04:59:36 PM
Hartley mentioned dfa's during his interview so sounds like we might be targeting one or two...hopefully Membrey though word is the Filth are after him .... :shh

How about Tomlinson? Just got delisted by the dees.

Problem is he’s adding a key position body at the wrong end of the ground. Really need some stop gap KPF’s to fill some spots while the kids develop.

Not the worst idea - relatively versatile and would be a good mentor for Miller who reminds me of him in a lot of ways..... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on October 17, 2024, 07:07:28 PM
Kudos to the Richmond list management who turned Ty Vickery into two first round picks in two moves!

https://x.com/geoffmatho/status/1846398363341935017

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: pmac21 on October 17, 2024, 10:01:44 PM
Not sure why we would trade out of this year's draft if it's as deep as they say, take the full 8 or trade up to 2 and take 7 picks or trade up with 20 & 23 into the mid teens on the night and take 6 picks. 
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 17, 2024, 10:14:30 PM
Hartley mentioned dfa's during his interview so sounds like we might be targeting one or two...hopefully Membrey though word is the Filth are after him .... :shh

How about Tomlinson? Just got delisted by the dees.

Problem is he’s adding a key position body at the wrong end of the ground. Really need some stop gap KPF’s to fill some spots while the kids develop.

Not the worst idea - relatively versatile and would be a good mentor for Miller who reminds me of him in a lot of ways..... :shh

Looks like Membreys off to the pies unfortunately. Would have been a solid stop gap for a couple seasons.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on October 18, 2024, 12:18:27 AM
Surprised the Bumblers delisted Nick Hind....thought he was one of their better players.... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 18, 2024, 07:48:10 AM
Surprised the Bumblers delisted Nick Hind....thought he was one of their better players.... :shh

Think it has a lot to do with the company he keeps  ;D
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Francois Jackson on October 18, 2024, 07:53:26 AM
bombers have proven they have nfi. Id pick him up for a forward role.



Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 18, 2024, 10:49:27 AM
Lost clogger is Nick Hind, not interested. Pick some rookies and trial him like Campbell.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on October 18, 2024, 02:37:01 PM
Lost clogger is Nick Hind, not interested. Pick some rookies and trial him like Campbell.

Nonsense...quick, good foot skills , perfect stop gap replacement for Rioli.... :shh


Surprised the Bumblers delisted Nick Hind....thought he was one of their better players.... :shh

Think it has a lot to do with the company he keeps  ;D

Yes - heard he's been hanging around a bunch of drug cheats.... :shh :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 18, 2024, 04:18:58 PM
Not interested in Hind.

Imo the only position I’d be looking to bring in some mature age C-graders would be at KPF.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: OneEyedRichmond on October 18, 2024, 04:30:26 PM
Lost clogger is Nick Hind, not interested. Pick some rookies and trial him like Campbell.

💯
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: camboon on October 18, 2024, 04:45:28 PM
Every dud we get as a stop gap, means we don’t use one of our first round picks , delist more or not pu a player in the pre season
Not the time for discards this year imho
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on October 18, 2024, 04:58:08 PM
Lost clogger is Nick Hind, not interested. Pick some rookies and trial him like Campbell.

💯

Definitive proof that he's not.... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: OneEyedRichmond on October 18, 2024, 04:59:29 PM
Lost clogger is Nick Hind, not interested. Pick some rookies and trial him like Campbell.

💯

Definitive proof that he's not.... :shh

Yeah Ok Campaigner 🤣
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on October 18, 2024, 05:01:18 PM
Every dud we get as a stop gap, means we don’t use one of our first round picks , delist more or not pu a player in the pre season
Not the time for discards this year imho

Lmao how does getting a DFA effect how many first rounder we pick? We already have enough blokes gone even before delistings... :propeller
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: camboon on October 18, 2024, 07:58:45 PM
If you count how many we have on the list  and how many existing players we intend to keep,  with a spot for the pre season we don’t have any extra spots at this point in time to bring discards from other sides

PS: they are usually discarded for a reason and even if they have character faults they are kept on the list if the are good enough
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: MintOnLamb on October 18, 2024, 09:22:59 PM
So now it is delistings then a month until the draft.

It is excruciating.

Imagine all the crap that will be written by sports journo’s in the next month.!!!🤔🫣😰
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: one-eyed on October 22, 2024, 05:06:11 PM
"I can tell you, there is no chance Richmond will go to the draft with all of their picks. Keep an eye on them going after North Melbourne's Pick 2. Maybe 6 & 10 for 2 is something they will look to do."

- Tom Morris

https://x.com/DwaynesWorldSEN/status/1848539380585230506
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on October 22, 2024, 05:44:09 PM
I'd want 6 off the table.

10 + 11 maybe.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on October 22, 2024, 06:35:18 PM
Would anyone use a rookie spot on Parfitt?
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Willy on October 22, 2024, 06:47:29 PM
Would anyone use a rookie spot on Parfitt?

Yep
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 22, 2024, 06:49:15 PM
"I can tell you, there is no chance Richmond will go to the draft with all of their picks. Keep an eye on them going after North Melbourne's Pick 2. Maybe 6 & 10 for 2 is something they will look to do."

- Tom Morris

https://x.com/DwaynesWorldSEN/status/1848539380585230506

6 and 10, get stuffed.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on October 22, 2024, 08:20:24 PM
Tom Morris wants accreditation for the media. Hey Tom, set the standard. On your tweets, state explicitly if your statement are your personal opinion on industry gossip. You quite often post this crap implying that you know something we don’t when in fact it’s just your speculation
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on October 22, 2024, 08:31:05 PM
Jai Culley & the other Tom Scully both delisted - worth a look? :shh

Alex Witherdan delisted too....remember when everyone raved about him when he first arrived on the scene at the Bears......think Dermie said he was the best kick & decision maker he'd seen at that age or something...mind you we all know how to take Dermie's opinions of young players... :shh :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 22, 2024, 08:40:32 PM
Jai Culley & the other Tom Scully both delisted - worth a look? :shh

Alex Witherdan delisted too....remember when everyone raved about him when he first arrived on the scene at the Bears......think Dermie said he was the best kick & decision maker he'd seen at that age or something...mind you we all know how to take Dermie's opinions of young players... :shh :shh

Where does culley play?

I see they also delisted rotham, might be a nice stop gap medium-tall defender. Although if your getting delisted by the eagles not sure we should be targeting them.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on October 22, 2024, 09:52:17 PM
Culley is mid/fwd 194 cm....can play , won a rising star then did an ACL the following week...reading WC supporters comments the main knock on him is his pace though it's more of an issue when he goes in the middle then up forward but in general they don't seem real happy he's been cut.... Scully is 203 cm fwd/ruck....also a a surprise delisting.....stuck behind Dixon, Finlayson, Marshall, Georgiades & Lord in a reserves side that was getting flogged every week.... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Diocletian on October 22, 2024, 10:17:59 PM
Any two or even three of Parfitt , Tomlinson, Sculley & Culley would all add value & depth to our list IMO. Parfitt's an immediate upgrade on Dow at least, Tomlinson brings experience & versatility and probably an upgrade on Miller & Young. Culley gives us another option up forward and in the guts -  a younger version of Lefau  and probably an upgrade on both Dow & Kosi .... Scully provides forward & ruck depth, decent substitute for Gerryn if we don't draft him -which we probably won't.... :shh
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: TigerLand on October 23, 2024, 10:48:09 PM
Delisted players from bottom 4 side, unsure how much of a strike rate they have getting second chances and being successful.

Culley looked a player though. I honestly would just play the 2024 draft crop of kids as much as possible. I think we have enough depth in midfield Taranto, Hopper, Prestia, Ross, McAullife and hope Sonsie gets a run in there plus first top 2 draft picks.

Id be looking at ruck depth as priority one. If Nank goes down with serious injury we have Samson Ryan and Kosi rucking and that's it. Brayden Crossley from Southport would be worth a look.

I'd also go for a somewhat ready made forward. Again if Lynch goes down we have very little and will rely on Gibcus and Lefau returning from ACLs to kick goals. Especially now Boltons goals are off the table. You can't really draft a Armstrong / Shanahan or Faull and play them under developed. They need time. Where as the mids and running back draftees Id just play.

Hudson Garoni would love to look at him. 23 yo has kicked bags of goals for Werribee for multiple years and went close to VFL Coleman.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on October 24, 2024, 07:13:28 AM
Bolton’s goals are off the table but the space our defensive forwards made for him opens up. So too, does increased efficiency but losing the show boating and easy misses. Just sayn
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on October 24, 2024, 08:55:32 AM
Bolton’s goals are off the table but the space our defensive forwards made for him opens up. So too, does increased efficiency but losing the show boating and easy misses. Just sayn

Get what you're saying but I still view this as a significant net loss.

The things you mention will not amount to 30-40+ goals/year IMO, maybe half that.

Our forward line will be quite impotent next year.
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on October 24, 2024, 05:14:47 PM
Let’s see, in fact thought he made forward line quite dysfunctional and would say we might be pleasantly surprised at what can be done without him in it.
He will always be a far more effective talent in a good team
Title: Re: Trade talk, rumours & innuendo 2024
Post by: Andyy on October 24, 2024, 07:24:48 PM
Let’s see, in fact thought he made forward line quite dysfunctional and would say we might be pleasantly surprised at what can be done without him in it.
He will always be a far more effective talent in a good team

You may be right and I genuinely hope so.

There were definitely time I thought we were too Riewoldty in the forward line, to our detriment.

And hats off to Simonator who called this one a looooong time ago.