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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: the claw on September 16, 2012, 03:31:22 PM
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For mine id like to get Jake Stringer. Imo if not for his injury he would go top 3 quite easily.
Nick Vlastuin is another.
One scenario would be Josh Caddy at 9 if possible.
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Would we be interested if pick 9 could get a mini draft pick? Not sure how Martin and Hogan from WA compare with this years draftees.
Wondering how seriously the club would look at trading down as we did in the Reiwoldt draft. If we're looking at someone like Vlastuin then we might be able to downgrade and still get him.
For me, would he happy with any of the midfielders like Wines, O'Rourke, Mayes or Vlastuin.
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Would we be interested if pick 9 could get a mini draft pick? Not sure how Martin and Hogan from WA compare with this years draftees.
Wondering how seriously the club would look at trading down as we did in the Reiwoldt draft. If we're looking at someone like Vlastuin then we might be able to downgrade and still get him.
For me, would he happy with any of the midfielders like Wines, O'Rourke, Mayes or Vlastuin.
reckon both melbourne and the dogs are in the box seat to snare martin.
melbourne have 3. 4 and 13 reckon they would be prepared to give up 4 for martin. it means they still have 3 and 13 in the first round and pick up a top 10 pick in viney at 26 under f/s.
wb have picks 5 and 6 could see them offer up one of them for martin and remain in the first rnd.
yep would be happy with any of those you mentioned still think stringer a better prospect than any of them though.
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Either an inside ball magnet like dustin martin or a goal kicking freak like gary ablet senior, whoa , nice work if you can get it :shh
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when will we use our compo pick ???
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when will we use our compo pick ???
For memory it is pick 29
We have picks 10, 29, 32
See:
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=16453.0
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reckon both melbourne and the dogs are in the box seat to snare martin.
melbourne have 3. 4 and 13 reckon they would be prepared to give up 4 for martin. it means they still have 3 and 13 in the first round and pick up a top 10 pick in viney at 26 under f/s.
wb have picks 5 and 6 could see them offer up one of them for martin and remain in the first rnd.
yep would be happy with any of those you mentioned still think stringer a better prospect than any of them though.
Possibly. From what I've read, GCS won't trade pick 2 for a mini draft pick. If they force Melbourne to use pick 3 on Viney, they can't trade pick 4 so they are out.
Dogs are in prime position for one of the picks, be interesting to see what Port and Lions will do if the Dees pass.
Not sure it's the best strategy for us, given it's a strong draft and we need more immediate improvement. I prefer us to play safe with a midfielder of good character. Not sure I would go for Garlett, we have been burnt too many times.
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when will we use our compo pick ???
For memory it is pick 29
We have picks 10, 29, 32
See:
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=16453.0
cheers :thumbsup
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when will we use our compo pick ???
we have 9, 29, and 31.
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when will we use our compo pick ???
This year, we have picks 9,29,31 :thumbsup
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Can anyone confirm what our draft picks will be?
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we have picks 9,29,31 :clapping
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we have picks 9,29,31 :clapping
This is not true! Free agency compensation picks are yet to be allocated, this will again re shuffle the draft order :thumbsup
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Really?
Then can anyone confirm what our draft picks will be?
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Really?
Then can anyone confirm what our draft picks will be?
True....The final draft order won't be finalist till after trade month. Can confirm :thumbsup
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:huh3
That's all very well and good, but I'm asking about what the draft order will be
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:huh3
That's all very well and good, but I'm asking about what the draft order will be
Can you confirm there is a draft?
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Really?
Then can anyone confirm what our draft picks will be?
9, 29, 31 :cheers
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Really?
Then can anyone confirm what our draft picks will be?
9, 29, 31 :cheers
It's not confirmed >:(
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9, 92, 31 :cheers
Get it done, Tiges :clapping™
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Sheeeeeesh!!
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Really?
Then can anyone confirm what our draft picks will be?
9, 29, 31 :cheers
Thanks for confirming :clapping
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Thread going well... :shh
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We have picks 9, 29, 31, 49, 67, ...
1. GWS
2. Gold Coast
3. Melbourne ..... (F/S Jack Viney)
4. Melbourne ..... (Scully compo)
5. W.Bulldogs
6. W.Bulldogs ..... (Ward compo)
7. Port Adelaide
8. Brisbane
9. Richmond
10. Essendon ..... (F/S Joe Daniher)
11. Carlton
12. St Kilda
13. Melbourne ..... (Scully compo)
14. North Melbourne
15. Fremantle
16. Geelong
17. West Coast
18. Collingwood
19. Sydney
20. Adelaide
21. GWS .......... (Crows' Davis compo pick traded back to the Giants in the mini-draft IIRC)
22. Hawthorn
23. Brisbane ..... (Rischitelli compo)
24. GWS
25. Gold Coast
26. Melbourne
27. W.Bulldogs
28. Port Adelaide
29. Richmond ...... (our compo pick)
30. Brisbane
31. Richmond
32. Essendon
33. Carlton
34. St Kilda
35. North Melbourne
36. Fremantle
37. Geelong
38. West Coast
39. Collingwood
40. Sydney
41. Adelaide
42. Hawthorn
43. GWS
44. Gold Coast
45. Melbourne
46. W.Bulldogs
47. Port Adelaide
48. Brisbane
49. Richmond
50. Essendon
51. Carlton
52. St Kilda
53. North Melbourne
54. Fremantle
55. Geelong
56. West Coast
57. Collingwood
58. Sydney
59. Adelaide
60. Hawthorn
61. GWS
62. Gold Coast
63. Melbourne
64. W.Bulldogs
65. Port Adelaide
66. Brisbane
67. Richmond
68. Essendon
69. Carlton
70. St Kilda
71. North Melbourne
72. Fremantle
73. Geelong
74. West Coast
75. Collingwood
76. Sydney
77. Adelaide
78. Hawthorn
etc...
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=16453.msg327096#msg327096
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Don't the compensation picks for free agency get allocated for the following season? :huh
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i think they are, and must be, used in the year they are allocated
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geez what a response.. from that i take it no one is interested in who the players are who may or may not be coming to the club. top 10 picks usually mean v/good players at least and no one has an inkling.
here i was thinking most supporters have an inkling on who they would like but not on this site it seems.
seems one has to go elsewhere to get a decent conversation on the most important thing fronting all clubs out of finals. the nd.
its amazing a footy site that doesnt discuss the draft and its posters have no opinion on the players in the nd.
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geez what a response.. from that i take it no one is interested in who the players are who may or may not be coming to the club. top 10 picks usually mean v/good players at least and no one has an inkling.
here i was thinking most supporters have an inkling on who they would like but not on this site it seems.
seems one has to go elsewhere to get a decent conversation on the most important thing fronting all clubs out of finals. the nd.
its amazing a footy site that doesnt discuss the draft and its posters have no opinion on the players in the nd.
I haven't seen much of this year's draftees, but constantly here our pick 9 being used on Vlastuin. Highlights anyone?
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geez what a response.. from that i take it no one is interested in who the players are who may or may not be coming to the club. top 10 picks usually mean v/good players at least and no one has an inkling.
here i was thinking most supporters have an inkling on who they would like but not on this site it seems.
seems one has to go elsewhere to get a decent conversation on the most important thing fronting all clubs out of finals. the nd.
its amazing a footy site that doesnt discuss the draft and its posters have no opinion on the players in the nd.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out :cheers
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=16453.0
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I really know very little about any of the prospective recruits this year. I guess I should research more but I have more blind faith in our recruiters at present than I think I every have in the past. I'm sure someone with find some highlight packages of the top 10/20 prospects once the season is completed. :thumbsup
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:lol
How many people would have any real idea about the potential draftees?
I wait until I see who we pick and then find out all i can about that person rather than waste my time reading up all the Big Footy views on the potential draftees just so I can second guess the club and tell the world they should have taken player X instead on draft day.
I then wait until i have actually seen them play before I form a view on them.
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geez what a response.. from that i take it no one is interested in who the players are who may or may not be coming to the club. top 10 picks usually mean v/good players at least and no one has an inkling.
here i was thinking most supporters have an inkling on who they would like but not on this site it seems.
seems one has to go elsewhere to get a decent conversation on the most important thing fronting all clubs out of finals. the nd.
its amazing a footy site that doesnt discuss the draft and its posters have no opinion on the players in the nd.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out :cheers
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=16453.0
childish and churlish outbursts like that are probably the reason why this site doesnt grow.
no wonder ive never been a real regular here when the above is indicative of the majority of posts on this site. seems its full of 12 yr olds sometimes.
to others i apologise did not see that thread and am happy to have the mods delete this one.
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:lol I am 12 and what is this.
Enlighten us with thou wisdom, Ser Claw who cometh on thine condescending horse of armchair genius.
inb4 sheesh harghh geee why didn't we take player-x with pick-y club is backwards :banghead
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:lol I am 12 :banghead
yes it shows.
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I'm with Al and Stripes. I don't have close enough contact with the draftee system in general to have anything more than a passing interest in who is developing and who is available (although my 16yr old nephew made next year's Level 1 AIS squad so I might take a bit more interest in 2013) ;D. When it gets closer to the draft and some of the respected scribes/journos write their pieces then I take some interest in their opinions but the reality is that I would be speaking from an ignorant and non-informed perspective so I don't tend to get involved in the 'who' - I'm much more into the 'what' at this early stage.
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When it gets closer we will get the articles and the highlight reels. I watched most of the carnival games on Fox but to be honest none of the names really stuck. The blokes that did stand out in one game faded away in the next anyway. Too hard to call at the moment unless you follow it closely.
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I think we should pick the player who's going to be a bonafide superstar in 5 years time.
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Any chance of Sam Mayes lasting to pick 9?
While the draft camp will clarify things further as far as athletic ability, I'm presuming Whitfield, Toumpas, Grundy plus father-sons Viney and Daniher are lock-ins in the top 10. That leaves 4 unknown picks before ours.
1. GWS - Whitfield
2. GC - Toumpas
3. Melb - Viney (f/s)
4. Melb - Grundy
5. WB - ?
6. WB - ?
7. Port - ? ...... presumably will go for one of the SA kids expected to go high up.
8. Bris - ?
9. Rich - ?
10. Ess - Daniher (f/s)
As JVT said Vlastuin has been the one linked to us. Apparently FJ is a fan and as a Victorian there'll be no go home factor to worry about down the track.
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Pound for pound Ben Kennedy is the most talented player in the draft.
Elite speed, big left foot and goal kicker....
Is 174cm too short?
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not if your good enough it isnt, but i feel its a big risk to use a first rounder on someone that size. they would have to be so much better than the other options to do so.
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Richie Rambling trade was a corker
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Hey MT, are we having a Phantom draft this year? If so count me in. I'll even take on the mantle of the Tigers again as selecting Devon Smith with Pick 15 was sheer genius and I can't wait to get a hold of pick 9 this year. :pray
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Don't we already have a 'Draft' thread??
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Pound for pound Ben Kennedy is the most talented player in the draft.
Elite speed, big left foot and goal kicker....
Is 174cm too short?
not if your good enough it isnt, but i feel its a big risk to use a first rounder on someone that size. they would have to be so much better than the other options to do so.
My feelings too al. When you're only that height you need to have elite speed, skills and footy brain. Kennedy would need to be the next Brent Harvey :eyebrow and if he was he would go before pick 9.
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we have disappointed the craw...
*gets down on knees and cries
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Hey MT, are we having a Phantom draft this year? If so count me in. I'll even take on the mantle of the Tigers again as selecting Devon Smith with Pick 15 was sheer genius and I can't wait to get a hold of pick 9 this year. :pray
A glutton for punishment tiga. Remember to bring the whip and chair again ;D.
Yep we'll be having a Phantom Draft this year :thumbsup. We'll probably start when the trade period finishes so all the picks and order for each club are confirmed. I think that'll give us about 4 weeks to get it done in.
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Hey MT, are we having a Phantom draft this year? If so count me in. I'll even take on the mantle of the Tigers again as selecting Devon Smith with Pick 15 was sheer genius and I can't wait to get a hold of pick 9 this year. :pray
Love the avatar and the comedian.
Was lucky enough to see his stand up (sitting down) act when he visited Melbourne years ago.
His impression of a conversation with his 15 year old son :thatsgold
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Hey MT, are we having a Phantom draft this year? If so count me in. I'll even take on the mantle of the Tigers again as selecting Devon Smith with Pick 15 was sheer genius and I can't wait to get a hold of pick 9 this year. :pray
Love the avatar and the comedian.
Was lucky enough to see his stand up (sitting down) act when he visited Melbourne years ago.
His impression of a conversation with his 15 year old son :thatsgold
Thanks Y&B. :cheers Dave Allen was a great man. I think I went to the same show as you. Was it at the comedy Theatre around 1990? Watched all his shows on TV as a kid and his live show was brilliant! I remember there was a very large lady sitting in the front row of the dress circle who continually kept laughing when everyone else went quiet. It was like shooting fish in a barrel for Dave. :lol
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That's the one!
You may have heard me gasping for air after that part of the show.
Was still laughing on the way home.
The man was a genius.
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He was very funny Tiga. :thumbsup
Can remember as a youngster some of his skits on his show and then him sitting in his chair talking to the audience.
Though I miss your last avatar pal. :lol :rollin :lol
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Nope
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Pick 9s from previous draft years:
2011: Adam Tomlinson
2010: Dion Prestia
2009: Andrew Moore
2008: Jack Ziebell
2007: Ben McEvoy
2006: David Armitage
2005: Mitch Clark ....... We took JON with pick 8 :P
2004: Jordan Russell
2003: David Trotter
2002: Hamish McIntosh
2001: Luke Molan
2000: Kane Pettifer
1999: Caydn Beetham
1998: Mark McVeigh
1997: Chad Cornes
1996: Mark Harwood
1995: Allen Jakovich
1994: Ben Wilson
1993: Rowan Warfe
1992: David Johnston
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Not an inspiring list.
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A Kayne Pettifer type would be nice. :shh
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I would love Garlett so much Xfactor and would make a midfield look classy.Only risk offield. problems.
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Not an inspiring list.
Really?
I think there are some very good core footballers on that list.
Jack Ziebell
Chad Cornes
Mitch Clark
Hamish McIntosh
Mark McVeigh
Ben McEvoy
Any of those improve our side at their peak.
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Chad Cornes should have won a brownlow was the best player in the comp for a few years
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Dom Tyson
Not an inspiring list.
Really?
I think there are some very good core footballers on that list.
Core is quite different to inspirational. You'd hope there would be a few decent footballers with a top ten selection but not too many stars there.
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While the draft camp will clarify things further as far as athletic ability, I'm presuming Whitfield, Toumpas, Grundy plus father-sons Viney and Daniher are lock-ins in the top 10. That leaves 4 unknown picks before ours.
1. GWS - Whitfield
2. GC - Toumpas
3. Melb - Viney (f/s)
4. Melb - Grundy
5. WB - ?
6. WB - ?
7. Port - ? ...... presumably will go for one of the SA kids expected to go high up.
8. Bris - ?
9. Rich - ?
10. Ess - Daniher (f/s)
Grundy predicted to go to the Dees.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/148002/default.aspx
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Chad Cornes should have won a brownlow was the best player in the comp for a few years
Almost threw up when Fev said he was soft on the footy show. Pretty sure the Chad was BOG next time they played Carlton as well :lol
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TAC Cup Future Stars with Hutchie, Plough, Sheehan and Dixon did a phantom draft just now. They had Lachlan Plowman, a key defender, going to us at pick 9.
1. Lachie Whitfield (GWS)
2. Jimmy Toumpas (GC)
3. Jack Viney (Melb - F/S)
4. Brody Grundy (Melb) ...... 202cm, 100kg. Can play straight away.
5. Jonathan O'Rourke (Dogs) ..... 182cm, inside/outside mid. can play anywhere.
6. Sam Mayes (Dogs) ..... lead-up forward. good radar around goals. agile.
7. Oliver Wines (Port) ...... mature consistent performer mid.
8. Kristain Jaksch (Bris) .... mobile, strong overhead.
9. Lachlan Plowman (Rich) .... composed. injury-interrupted year.. best tall defender in draft. From the Calder Cannons.
10. Joe Daniher (Ess - F/S)
11. Tom Lee (Carl) .... clean, good below the knees, big mover in this year's draft
12. Jackson MaCrae (St K) ... mercurial, prolific
13. Nathan Hrovat (melb) .... avg. 23 disp. good on left and right. Sam Mitchell type
14. Dayle Garlett (North) .... classy left footer. Andrew Gaff type
15. Nick Vlastuin (Geel) .... stoppage star, uncompromising attack on the footy
16. Tim Membrey (Freo) ..... key forward with presence. 8 goals last week in the TAC Cup Prelims.
17. Josh Simpson (WCE)
18. James Stewart (Coll - F/S)
19. Troy Menzel (Adel)
20. Jesse Lonergan (Syd)
21. Jake Stringer (Haw)
Bulldogs second pick (#27) most likely will be a F/S Lachie Hunter (Son of Mark).
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I don't see us taking a key defender at pick 9. Our key defender needs are more about the now rather than developing another young tall. That's why we are chasing Chaplin via free agency. We have Rance, Grimes, Griffiths plus possibly Astbury as young talls. Post as well if he isn't traded/delisted. We need a classy midfielder at #9. We've been linked to Vlastuin who they have going at 15 while MacRae will move into top 10 consideration after today. Menzel of course is the unknown because clubs will be cautious over his knees like his brother. If we want a young key forward at pick 9 then Membrey will also move into top 10 consideration with 12 goals combined in the PF and GF of the TAC Cup.
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Id go berserk if we went this way, who was the last bloomin defender taken with a top 10 selection , midfielders or key forwards...sheesh this would be bloody lunacy :o
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Id go berserk if we went this way, who was the last bloomin defender taken with a top 10 selection , midfielders or key forwards...sheesh this would be bloody lunacy :o
Exactly bj. Most recruiters don't go for pure key defenders early as it's high risk. Hurley would be the last key defender drafted in the top 10 but he was ready-made for AFL and could and can play either end of the ground well.
We need more mids and especially classier ones to boost our depth so we don't fall away in games. Add to that Tucky could retire in a year's time and there's no certainty whether Axel's boy will hold up. This year we should be boosting our midfield quality and depth via the draft and using FA/trades to fill gaps in our bookends and finding a 2nd back-up ruckman.
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I hope we get Dom Tyson with pick 9 he is proven already and will step straight in we can all dream i guess
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I hope we get Dom Tyson with pick 9 he is proven already and will step straight in we can all dream i guess
GWS will want more than just pick 9 for Tyson though as he's contract so he can't just walk out on them. If we can't draft a quality mid at #9 in this draft then our recruiters haven't done their job.
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^ agree about recruiters mate
Plowman can play but would rather Hrovat, Macrae, Membrey or Vlastuin before him... wouldn't mind Jaksch slipping down a spot either - can play both ends well...
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^ agree about recruiters mate
Plowman can play but would rather Hrovat, Macrae, Membrey or Vlastuin before him... wouldn't mind Jaksch slipping down a spot either - can play both ends well...
A fair few punters are saying they were disappointed with Jaksch's second half today so he may slip down a spot or so behind those others you've mentioned if the recruiters think likewise.
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TAC Cup Future Stars with Hutchie, Plough, Sheehan and Dixon did a phantom draft just now. They had Lachlan Plowman, a key defender, going to us at pick 9.
1. Lachie Whitfield (GWS)
2. Jimmy Toumpas (GC)
3. Jack Viney (Melb - F/S)
4. Brody Grundy (Melb) ...... 202cm, 100kg. Can play straight away.
5. Jonathan O'Rourke (Dogs) ..... 182cm, inside/outside mid. can play anywhere.
6. Sam Mayes (Dogs) ..... lead-up forward. good radar around goals. agile.
7. Oliver Wines (Port) ...... mature consistent performer mid.
8. Kristain Jaksch (Bris) .... mobile, strong overhead.
9. Lachlan Plowman (Rich) .... composed. injury-interrupted year.. best tall defender in draft. From the Calder Cannons.
10. Joe Daniher (Ess - F/S)
11. Tom Lee (Carl) .... clean, good below the knees, big mover in this year's draft
12. Jackson MaCrae (St K) ... mercurial, prolific
13. Nathan Hrovat (melb) .... avg. 23 disp. good on left and right. Sam Mitchell type
14. Dayle Garlett (North) .... classy left footer. Andrew Gaff type
15. Nick Vlastuin (Geel) .... stoppage star, uncompromising attack on the footy
16. Tim Membrey (Freo) ..... key forward with presence. 8 goals last week in the TAC Cup Prelims.
17. Josh Simpson (WCE)
18. James Stewart (Coll - F/S)
19. Troy Menzel (Adel)
20. Jesse Lonergan (Syd)
21. Jake Stringer (Haw)
Bulldogs second pick (#27) most likely will be a F/S Lachie Hunter (Son of Mark).
Going over this again, one name that is absent from this first round list is Kennedy.
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Any thoughts and more info on MaCrae? BOG in last week's prelim and this weekend's TAC GF.
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Any thoughts and more info on MaCrae? BOG in last week's prelim and this weekend's TAC GF.
MaCrae is a pass for me as a first round pick. Has a bad kicking action/ball drop which IMO will not stand up in the heat of AFL finals. This is only my opinion. I would look at O'Rourke, Mayes, Wines, Garlett or Vlastuin before MaCrae.
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Any thoughts and more info on MaCrae? BOG in last week's prelim and this weekend's TAC GF.
MaCrae is a pass for me as a first round pick. Has a bad kicking action/ball drop which IMO will not stand up in the heat of AFL finals. This is only my opinion. I would look at O'Rourke, Mayes, Wines, Garlett or Vlastuin before MaCrae.
Cheers.
So him going top 15 or so like in this phantom draft would be a bit rich?
Looked up Vlastuin since a few phantoms have had him to us. I'd be happy with that. Would go with Garlett if it was a sure thing he would be Rioli mkII, but in my view we still need a couple more solid and reliable soldier types before rolling the dice.
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Id go berserk if we went this way, who was the last bloomin defender taken with a top 10 selection , midfielders or key forwards...sheesh this would be bloody lunacy :o
Off the top of my head, Frawley.
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I don't think with Chaplain coming via free agency we would go for a key defender.
Would like to see Hrovat or Vlaustin come to us. Both kids are very good at the stoppages and extract it. Very much I see it as another inside mid which could free up a Foley to use his pace and Deledio to us his use skill leaving the bounces for Tuck and Cotch and pushing Jako out of there and hopefully to Coburg.. Furthermore will give us an option of resting Dusty, Cotch, Lids and Co in the fwd line during rotations to cause extra headaches to opposition defences.
I would also like us to look at a clamping defender who plays on opposition smalls whether that be by draft trade or free agency and that can free up Morro to play an attacking taggers role in the midfield and then if picking up extra mids doesn't relegate Jako then this hopefully will. Structurally it makes us look more sound defensively whilst creating attacking options for us and problems to opposition teams as to how they would match up on us.
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I hope we get Dom Tyson with pick 9 he is proven already and will step straight in we can all dream i guess
GWS will want more than just pick 9 for Tyson though as he's contract so he can't just walk out on them. If we can't draft a quality mid at #9 in this draft then our recruiters haven't done their job.
To sweeten the deal, why don't we do like they did in the old days, Offer Pick 9 plus A pack of Huttons Footy Franks, a quart of White Crow Sauce and to really seal it, a exclusive Tailor made suit from Strand. ;D
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TAC Cup Future Stars with Hutchie, Plough, Sheehan and Dixon did a phantom draft just now. They had Lachlan Plowman, a key defender, going to us at pick 9.
1. Lachie Whitfield (GWS)
2. Jimmy Toumpas (GC)
3. Jack Viney (Melb - F/S)
4. Brody Grundy (Melb) ...... 202cm, 100kg. Can play straight away.
5. Jonathan O'Rourke (Dogs) ..... 182cm, inside/outside mid. can play anywhere.
6. Sam Mayes (Dogs) ..... lead-up forward. good radar around goals. agile.
7. Oliver Wines (Port) ...... mature consistent performer mid.
8. Kristain Jaksch (Bris) .... mobile, strong overhead.
9. Lachlan Plowman (Rich) .... composed. injury-interrupted year.. best tall defender in draft. From the Calder Cannons.
10. Joe Daniher (Ess - F/S)
11. Tom Lee (Carl) .... clean, good below the knees, big mover in this year's draft
12. Jackson MaCrae (St K) ... mercurial, prolific
13. Nathan Hrovat (melb) .... avg. 23 disp. good on left and right. Sam Mitchell type
14. Dayle Garlett (North) .... classy left footer. Andrew Gaff type
15. Nick Vlastuin (Geel) .... stoppage star, uncompromising attack on the footy
16. Tim Membrey (Freo) ..... key forward with presence. 8 goals last week in the TAC Cup Prelims.
17. Josh Simpson (WCE)
18. James Stewart (Coll - F/S)
19. Troy Menzel (Adel)
20. Jesse Lonergan (Syd)
21. Jake Stringer (Haw)
Bulldogs second pick (#27) most likely will be a F/S Lachie Hunter (Son of Mark).
Going over this again, one name that is absent from this first round list is Kennedy.
Over their quota of non-Victorian players I believe. :shh
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Someone with an easy name to pronounce
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Someone with an easy name to pronounce
So you don't want to trade it for Mzungu?
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Someone with an easy name to pronounce
A couple weeks ago I said I wanted Plowman and Broomhead for no reason other than their names. I'm glad one phantom draft respected my wishes :cheers
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Someone with an easy name to pronounce
A couple weeks ago I said I wanted Plowman and Broomhead for no reason other than their names. I'm glad one phantom draft respected my wishes :cheers
Plowman for me
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Someone with an easy name to pronounce
A couple weeks ago I said I wanted Plowman and Broomhead for no reason other than their names. I'm glad one phantom draft respected my wishes :cheers
Plowman for me
How much better would the GCS game have been with some yakity sax and "Plowman to Broomhead" commentary.
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Someone with an easy name to pronounce
A couple weeks ago I said I wanted Plowman and Broomhead for no reason other than their names. I'm glad one phantom draft respected my wishes :cheers
Plowman for me
How much better would the GCS game have been with some yakity sax and "Plowman to Broomhead" commentary.
Actually, he'd probably feel more welcome at collingwood
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yeah I can see it now broomhead to goldsack
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Not sure if I want a player with the word "Plow" in his name. To close to the word plough....
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people still have viney at 3 i really cant see it not if i put myself in gws and gcs shoes. no way in the world would i offer pick 1 or 2 for him when better credentialled players are there no way i would take the risk.
for our pick 9 i still like stringer i reckon he could be the pick of the entire draft despite his injury.
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people still have viney at 3 i really cant see it not if i put myself in gws and gcs shoes. no way in the world would i offer pick 1 or 2 for him when better credentialled players are there no way i would take the risk.
for our pick 9 i still like stringer i reckon he could be the pick of the entire draft despite his injury.
You could be correct....
One slight problem is that he still walks with a noticeable limp......
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Someone with an easy name to pronounce
A couple weeks ago I said I wanted Plowman and Broomhead for no reason other than their names. I'm glad one phantom draft respected my wishes :cheers
Plowman for me
The name again is Mr Plow?man
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The way all the talk is we wont have pick 9 by the time the draft starts with dyson coming across
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Didnt the original rumour about Tyson start with us getting him next year or is everyone choosing to ignore that?
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Didnt the original rumour about Tyson start with us getting him next year or is everyone choosing to ignore that?
New mail is its going to happen in the next couple of weeks ;)
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Didnt the original rumour about Tyson start with us getting him next year or is everyone choosing to ignore that?
100% this year. I'm sure we will try next year if we fail but it's this year we want him while we have a top 10 pick to offer.
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Didnt the original rumour about Tyson start with us getting him next year or is everyone choosing to ignore that?
New mail is its going to happen in the next couple of weeks ;)
Thats right strong mail that he s had a gutful of lidcombe and wants OUT
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Didnt the original rumour about Tyson start with us getting him next year or is everyone choosing to ignore that?
New mail is its going to happen in the next couple of weeks ;)
Thats right strong mail that he s had a gutful of lidcombe and wants OUT
Your letterbox must be constantly full with all that mail you get
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Didnt the original rumour about Tyson start with us getting him next year or is everyone choosing to ignore that?
New mail is its going to happen in the next couple of weeks ;)
Thats right strong mail that he s had a gutful of lidcombe and wants OUT
Your letterbox must be constantly full with all that mail you get
:shh
(http://www.val-herman-art.eu/Grafik/Addition/Portel%20full%20&%20broken%20post%20box%20with%20key.JPG)
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Didnt the original rumour about Tyson start with us getting him next year or is everyone choosing to ignore that?
New mail is its going to happen in the next couple of weeks ;)
Thats right strong mail that he s had a gutful of lidcombe and wants OUT
Your letterbox must be constantly full with all that mail you get
:shh
(http://www.val-herman-art.eu/Grafik/Addition/Portel%20full%20&%20broken%20post%20box%20with%20key.JPG)
Surely 60% are asking about Dea?
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:lol
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Pick 9 ---> Tyson (would do)
Don't we have three picks around 20-40???
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Brett Anderson from Inside Football @BrettAndersonIF twitter:
"Expect Brisbane to jump on Cannons duo Jono O'Rourke or Lachie Plowman if they somehow find their way to pick 8."
"Didn't speak with anyone from the Tiges today mate. Sorry! Will be there again tomorrow though."
Pick 9 ---> Tyson (would do)
Don't we have three picks around 20-40???
Two picks in that range - 29 & 31
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Brett Anderson from Inside Football @BrettAndersonIF twitter:
"Didn't speak with anyone from the Tiges today mate. Sorry! Will be there again tomorrow though."
What's he mean by that?
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Brett Anderson, who has spoken to the draftees and U18 coaches, has told me that we're keen on Jackson Macrae but that he might not fall to our first pick.
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Brett Anderson, who has spoken to the draftees and U18 coaches, has told me that we're keen on Jackson Macrae but that he might not fall to our first pick.
Anyone seen him play?
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Jackson Macrae the hero as Oakleigh win TAC Cup premiership
Sam Landsberger
From: Herald Sun
September 23, 2012 2:00PM
(http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2012/09/23/1226479/739655-tac-cup-u18-gf-gippsland-v-oakleigh.jpg)
JACKSON Macrae regards one of his footy strengths as his ability to read the play.
The top draft prospect said last month: “I’ll see things others won’t see.”
Well, it was a case of hearing things other didn’t today as the courageous midfielder became Oakleigh’s flag hero by kicking the golden point as the Chargers fought off Gippsland Power in overtime at Etihad Stadium.
And while most players on the ground had no clue the clock had elapsed and the next score would win under a bizarre AFL Victoria rule, Macrae said he was aware of the game situation after a debrief with the runner.
Macrae , who stands 188cm and 75kg, knew when he threw the ball onto his left foot from the boundary line he was about to seal a memorable TAC Cup premiership triumph.
The golden point capped a golden match from Macrae, whose meteoric rise in 2012 could now see him snapped up inside the top 10 in this year’s draft.
Jack Viney aside, he is Oakleigh’s top prospect and headlines a group of 15 players from today’s grand final likely to land on AFL lists.
“His ability to rack up possessions and read the game is really uncanny,” Chargers region manager Mark Smart said of Macrae, who is working hard on his kicking penetration – the one flaw in his well-rounded style.
Macrae’s match-winning behind sealed the TAC Cup medal for best-afield after a 28-possession match which included a goal and a jaw-dropping ability to feed out handballs with shrewd vision to unlock forward thrusts in the 12.10 (82) to 12.9 (81) victory.
About 45 seconds before Macrae’s winner, next year’s possible No. 1 draft pick Jake Billings took a grab inside 50 before passing to Tim MacMillan.
The siren would have sounded as the brother of North Melbourne’s Jamie MacMillan lined up for goal, but with his kick a chance to tie the scores the buzzer was averted under the rule.
MacMillan goaled, the ball went back to the middle and golden point time started – a scenario Oakleigh discussed at training last week.
The Chargers mowed down a 12-point deficit in the final term after Gippsland spearhead Tim Membrey dragged his side in front and ultimately within a second of premiership glory.
Membrey roved his own marking contest before slotting his third of four goals from 45m to spark the Power in the final term and looks certain to be taken in the first round of the draft.
The power forward, likened to Jack Darling, finished with 4.3 while Morrish Medallist Nick Graham was Gippsland’s best.
The midfield jet showed his class with a third-quarter goal from the boundary and courageous mark running back with the flight, while Anthony “Tippa” Tipungwuti provided the match highlight with a powerful burst in the third quarter.
Tipungwuti dove on a pack before sneaking clear and winning an outside handball before streaming down the wing and taking three bounces.
The gut-running machine then shot a handball to Josh Scott who goaled on the run in a moment similar to Lewis Jetta’s outstanding goal for Sydney on Friday night.
Power coach Nick Stevens said last week: “I'd compare Tippa to a Chris Yarran or an Eddie Betts at the same age.
“This boy's got as much talent as they have. I really hope he gets the opportunity because he's worked hard and deserves a chance at AFL football.”
Scott goaled again moments later with a flying snap, while Billings showed why he is so hotly talked about as he won a hard ball and crashed through a tackle to run into an open goal and steady Oakleigh in the third term.
Bottom-age Charger Jay Kennedy-Harris showed off plenty of tricks and looks a strong prospect for next season despite his 64kg frame.
Macrae, who earlier this season likened himself to Geelong superstar Stevie Johnson on Fox Footy, showed he’s an AFL media manager’s dream-in-waiting, giving little away minutes after the win.
“Anyone of us could’ve won (the TAC Cup medal), it was a great team effort,” he said.
“About 10-15 boys could’ve won this medal and it shows our great depth.”
The Chargers, who lost last year’s grand final, and Power stars will now join other TAC Cup AFL prospects in preparing for October’s draft combine.
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Stars of tomorrow to light up TAC Cup decider
Sam Landsberger
From: Sunday Herald Sun
September 23, 2012 12:00AM
(http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2012/09/22/1226479/474139-jackson-macrae.jpg)
THE next Jack Darling, Steve Johnson and Michael Hurley will be on show at Etihad Stadium - if you believe the stars of tomorrow themselves - as Gippsland and Oakleigh fight for the TAC Cup premiership.
Gippsland forward Tim Membrey, who has been likened to Darling, and Chargers pair Jackson Macrae and Kristian Jaksch (Johnson and Hurley respectively) headline a group of 15 players on show today who could be snapped up in this year's drafts.
Membrey, the Power captain who sports a palm tree tattoo on his left bicep, is a certain first-round choice with one AFL recruiter adamant the forward could rocket into top-10 contention if he tears today's decider apart.
The 188cm, 87kg spearhead booted 8.2 last week to drag Gippsland into the grand final.
Power coach Nick Stevens endorsed the Darling comparison. He said Membrey's chasing and tackling had improved and he would become a half-forward target capable of pushing up to the wing.
"He's the best kick I've ever seen at that age and his marking ability, one on one, is first class," Stevens said.
Macrae, who admitted he had copped flak for comparing his style to that of Stevie J, boasts tremendous vision, good goal sense and is working on his kicking penetration.
"His ability to rack up possessions and read the game is uncanny," Chargers region manager Mark Smart said.
Smart said Macrae, who announced himself with a four-goal quarter for Vic Metro this year, and Jaksch were top-15 prospects with the latter torching Dandenong with four goals two weeks ago.
The 194cm Jaksch has monstered sides at both ends of the ground, with his contested marking and ability to ruck adding to his value.
The Chargers also boast likely draftees Jason Ashby – a rebounding halfback praised for his consistency – and captain Ryan Exon – a gut-running midfielder.
Bottom-age star Luke McDonald, who boasts pace and a powerful left boot, will also line up for Oakleigh today and looks a certain North Melbourne father-son pick next year.
Morrish Medal winner Nick Graham, Ben Kearns, Anthony Tipungwuti and Ryley Hall also look AFL-bound from Gippsland.
Stevens said Graham boasts elite skills and was a tackling "star", while Tipungwuti looks the most improved TAC Cup player.
"The upside on Tippa is enormous. Three years ago he couldn’t speak English, he’s about to pass year 11 and he’s got super foot skills and is really hard at it for a guy of his size,’’ Stevens said of the Tiwi Islander.
"I'd compare him to a Chris Yarran or an Eddie Betts at the same age. This boy’s got as much talent as they have.’’
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Brett Anderson, who has spoken to the draftees and U18 coaches, has told me that we're keen on Jackson Macrae but that he might not fall to our first pick.
Anyone seen him play?
He was impressive in the TAC Cup finals. Most famous though in the GF for kicking that matchwinning point for Oakleigh with seconds to go.
Here's his TAC Cup stats:
http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?action=PSTATS&pID=192369442&client=1-3020-111727-206344-16804353
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Brett Anderson, who has spoken to the draftees and U18 coaches, has told me that we're keen on Jackson Macrae but that he might not fall to our first pick.
Anyone seen him play?
He was impressive in the TAC Cup finals. Most famous though in the GF for kicking that matchwinning point for Oakleigh with seconds to go.
Here's his TAC Cup stats:
http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?action=PSTATS&pID=192369442&client=1-3020-111727-206344-16804353
I don't think he will last to our pick....but he will be a ripper.
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I asked about Macrae some time back after he was TAC final BoG and I recall someone saying he had an awkward kicking action that might not hold up in AFL. Not sure if that was just being pedantic or not. I don't know anything else about him other than he is a massive Pies fan. His uncle was talking to Eddie on MMM breakfast about him around finals time.
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In that article his under 18's coach said his kicking lacked penetration, his one weakness..
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Id go berserk if we went this way, who was the last bloomin defender taken with a top 10 selection , midfielders or key forwards...sheesh this would be bloody lunacy :o
i can think of a few who went pretty close to pick 10 in the last 5 or 6 yrs.
09 talia.12
11 tomlinson 8
06 ben reid 8
06 n brown 10
07 henderson 8
08 davis 10
06 frawley 12
08 hurley 5
seems to me if you want the best of anything mid, forward, or defender you take em early. lots of very good defenders have been taken in recent yrs around our pick 9.
personally if i was chasing a kpd at pick 9 id be looking at tom cluery.
still havent seen a thing on any of the kids to make me change my mind on stringer especially after his testing at the draft camp. dont reckon he will be there at 9 though. if stringer is gone its still vlastuin for me.
im hoping at pick 9 the club takes what it deems as the best available player weather that be a defender forward or mid.
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I like the look of him, quick off the mark and a good turn of speed.....excellent overhead and another classy left footer....
Gee if we could land pics 12/13 (likely to be pic 14) off GWS for our pic 9 and perhaps a player we could surely snare 2 from this lot; Kennedy, Vlastuin, Garlett or Menzel....
Troy Menzel
Central Districts
22 September 1994
186cm, 77kg
AFL Draft Prospect Troy Menzel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2J5mDNpn9o
***On talent alone Menzel, a forward-midfielder, has the credentials to be taken inside the top 10 at the ND next month, but clubs will first need to be completely satisfied that his LARS surgery won't be a major issue in the future...
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The AFL Free Agency, Trade, Draft & Season News facebook page has done a phantom draft. They have us taking Macrae at pick 9.
1: GWS - Lachie Whitfield
2: GWS - Brody Grundy
3: GWS - Jimmy Toumpas
4: MEL - Oliver Wines
5: WBD - Lachie Plowman
6: WBD - Jonathon O'Rouke
7: PTA - Sam Mayes
8: BRI - Kristian Jaksch
9: RIC - Jackson McCrae
10: ESS - Joe Daniher
11: CAR - Jake Stringer
12: GWS - Dayle Garlett
13: GWS - Tom Clurey
14: NTM - Nick Vlaustin
15: GEE - Troy Menzal
16: FRE - Sam Shaw
17: COLL - Nathan Hrovat
18: COLL - Tim Membry
19: ADE - Ben Kennedy
20: MEL - Nick Graham
21: WBD - Jesse Lonergan
22: SYD - Josh Simpson
23: BRI - Taylor Garner
http://www.facebook.com/theafloffseason
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PICK 9:
TEAM: RICHMOND
PLAYER: Jackson Macrae
HEIGHT: 189cm
WEIGHT: 76kg
Macrae has essentially come from nowhere this year to become a top ten prospect, especially after his impressive season in both the National Championships and the TAC Cup.
He's a very, very smart midfielder, a great runner, another good reader of the play with solid vision and awareness, mixed with exceptional skills, pace
and work rate.
He's become a favourite of mine in 2012, and after kicking 6 goals as a midfielder against Tasmania in the national carnival, he got tongues wagging amongst recruiters, and was also another heavily interviewed player at the combine.
He won the game for the Chargers in the TAC Cup, famously kicking a point to seal the win; he was also named BOG in the TAC Grand Final, too.
Macrae is a lofty, creative left-footer who starred with 44 touches in a representative schools match later in the.
Macrae also finished equal second in the Brad Johnson kicking test at the combine, and is seen to be a bit of an excitement machine, that will provide many highlights for whichever team he is drafted to
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2012-draft.959078/page-59#post-26092489
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Pick 9 needs to be THE BEST AVAILABLE midfielder!
Would love a tough, classy, skilful midfielder.
Who can just slot into the midfield!
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Pick 9 needs to be THE BEST AVAILABLE midfielder!
Would love a tough, classy, skilful midfielder.
Who can just slot into the midfield!
Agree we need the best available midfielder with pick 9. Macrae is a BIG no as far as I'm concerned.
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After our last two first selectiona it'd be nice to get someone that slides rather than picking a playerhigher than expected.
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Mayes or O'Rouke would be gold.
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A guy on BF claiming Port may go Membrey at pick 7. :pray
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VIDEO: I've found some highlights of each of the top draftees for those interested.
Tom Clurey (http://www.afl.com.au/Video/tabid/76/contentid/496182/trade+latest/Default.aspx)
Dayle Garlett (http://www.afl.com.au/Video/tabid/76/contentid/494779/trade+latest/Default.aspx)
Nathan Hrovat (http://www.afl.com.au/Video/tabid/76/contentid/493624/trade+latest/Default.aspx)
ps. For some reason (to avoid spam presumably) the forum only allows 3 links in each post so excuse the multiple posts.
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Kristian Jaksch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFLIf5R2ddo)
Ben Kennedy (http://www.afl.com.au/Video/tabid/76/contentid/493629/trade+latest/Default.aspx)
Jackson Macrae (http://www.afl.com.au/Video/tabid/76/contentid/493634/trade+latest/Default.aspx)
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Sam Mayes I (http://www.afl.com.au/Video/tabid/76/contentid/494788/trade+latest/Default.aspx)
Sam Mayes II (http://www.afl.com.au/Video/tabid/76/contentid/460981/trade+latest/Default.aspx)
Tim Membrey (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_UEBYLBA2Y)
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Troy Menzel (http://www.afl.com.au/Video/tabid/76/contentid/494792/trade+latest/Default.aspx)
Lachlie Plowman (http://www.afl.com.au/Video/tabid/76/contentid/496198/trade+latest/Default.aspx)
Jake Stringer (http://www.afl.com.au/Video/tabid/76/contentid/496208/trade+latest/Default.aspx)
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VIDEO: More highlights
Mason Shaw (http://www.afl.com.au/Video/tabid/76/contentid/496203/trade+latest/Default.aspx)
Nick Vlastuin (http://www.afl.com.au/Video/tabid/76/contentid/496130/trade+latest/Default.aspx)
Oliver Wines (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j5KXhssNEM)
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No to Vlastuin, don't need backman that just kick and prey
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Jake Stringer was told at draft camp that he wouldn't slide past pick 9.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/jake-stringer.938542/page-4#post-26110122
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No to Vlastuin, don't need backman that just kick and prey
I think he is a tiny bit more than that! :shh
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He'll most likely be gone before our pick but Jonathan O'Rourke has links to Tigerland :thumbsup
Stephen's dad (and Jonathan's grandfather) is Basil O'Rourke, who played four games for Richmond in 1951. Basil's brother, Jack, was a star for the Tigers in 44 games between 1949-53, kicking 134 goals.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/149882/default.aspx
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Do we really want a guy named after a herb at the club?
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Do we really want a guy named after a herb at the club?
He already was. Played 4 games. :lol
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I remember Oregano Selleck what a player he was
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Mint coriander connel went alright
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Herb Gardener finds these offensive.
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Jake Stringer was told at draft camp that he wouldn't slide past pick 9.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/jake-stringer.938542/page-4#post-26110122
Pity this kid has something special about him - hope he gets to 9 ( if we dont trade for 12 and 13)
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Garner has been interviewed 3 times by the tigers
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/knightmares-2012-mock-draft.956129/page-63
(http://mm.afl.com.au/Portals/0/Garner1316a2.jpg)
http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=146891
Taylor Garner
Dandenong Stingrays (VIC) 18 186 cm 77 kg
Kevin Sheehan says: "Medium forward who was a real surprise packet in the NAB AFL U18 Champs with his mobility and overhead marking features. Showed good footy nous as a forward averaging 3.5 tackles and 14.8 disposals. 2012 All Australian."
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=16486.0
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Would love the Garnish at the club :clapping
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If we got picks 12 and 14, yeah. I wouldn't want to use pick 9 on him, though. Vlastuin / Stringer / MacRae at 12, and Garner at 14.
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VIDEO: Taylor Garner highlights:
http://www.afl.com.au/Video/tabid/76/contentid/494780/trade+latest/Default.aspx
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And he's a Tiger supporter! :thumbsup
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Seems alright but I thought we were in the market for another mid? Unless this kid is a genuine gun. Makes O'Hanlon kind of redundant though. At least we're at the stage where we're not requiring our first pick to run straight on from round 1. Just wish the draft would hurry up, pretty over this trade junk.
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one of stringer, vlastuin, mccrae, orourke, or wines may get to us at 9 but only one if we are lucky.
bloody hell if a club is looking for a mid who can dominate as a forward why would you go past stringer.ive read both menzel and now garner being linked to us but surely you would take stringer over both in a heart beat.
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No to Vlastuin, don't need backman that just kick and prey
you are kidding right. have you seen him play. hes dual sided and a very good kick if not exceptional on both feet. just keeps on getting contested bal;l and using it with great skills and very good decision making.
super super consistent player and i cant see him going past 9.
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Would be happy with Stringer if McCrae were gone. I cooled on him at first because of a few knocks on his technique but in that article recently from Hartley (I think it was him) said things like that can be taught. Reckon we'll miss out on both by a pick or two though, always seems the way. Thinking Vlastuin or Wines may slip as far as us. My three at this stage and in order of preference would be McCrae, Stringer, Vlastuin.
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Would be happy with Stringer if McCrae were gone. I cooled on him at first because of a few knocks on his technique but in that article recently from Hartley (I think it was him) said things like that can be taught. Reckon we'll miss out on both by a pick or two though, always seems the way. Thinking Vlastuin or Wines may slip as far as us. My three at this stage and in order of preference would be McCrae, Stringer, Vlastuin.
Wines will go at 4.
one of stringer, vlastuin, mccrae, orourke, or wines may get to us at 9 but only one if we are lucky.
bloody hell if a club is looking for a mid who can dominate as a forward why would you go past stringer.ive read both menzel and now garner being linked to us but surely you would take stringer over both in a heart beat.
Apparently he was told at draft camp that he won't go past pick 9.
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No to Vlastuin, don't need backman that just kick and prey
you are kidding right. have you seen him play. hes dual sided and a very good kick if not exceptional on both feet. just keeps on getting contested bal;l and using it with great skills and very good decision making.
super super consistent player and i cant see him going past 9.
That and he's a midfielder. :shh
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VIDEO: Taylor Garner highlights:
http://www.afl.com.au/Video/tabid/76/contentid/494780/trade+latest/Default.aspx
Very Fyfe like!
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No to Vlastuin, don't need backman that just kick and prey
you are kidding right. have you seen him play. hes dual sided and a very good kick if not exceptional on both feet. just keeps on getting contested bal;l and using it with great skills and very good decision making.
super super consistent player and i cant see him going past 9.
That and he's a midfielder. :shh
Not from what I've seen. Look I reckon it's something he could improve but just seems to bomb them more often than not.
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No to Vlastuin, don't need backman that just kick and prey
you are kidding right. have you seen him play. hes dual sided and a very good kick if not exceptional on both feet. just keeps on getting contested bal;l and using it with great skills and very good decision making.
super super consistent player and i cant see him going past 9.
That and he's a midfielder. :shh
Not from what I've seen. Look I reckon it's something he could improve but just seems to bomb them more often than not.
He's 100% bona fuse mid.
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gws have a plethora of young mids they lack kpds and a quality ruckman.
looking at them i reckon they will go.
1/ whitfield. best available though id take stringer here.
2/ grundy. best big man available and a top 3 pick anyway.
3/ plowman/clurey. reckon one of these blokes has been earmarked here they have a great need for a kpd and neither will be available when their next pick comes around.
4/ toumpas to melb.
5/ stringer to wb. they have two picks if there is a risk and i dont buy into it that there is they can afford to take him here. most talented player in the draft id cut my right arm off to get him.
6/ one of mcrae, wines, mayes, orourke, i lean towards mayes here. wb
7/ wines to p/a
8/ mcrae to brisbane.
9/ for me vlastuin or orourke. rich. depending on what p/a and brisbane do one of wines/mcrae/orouke/vlastuin should be available imo.
10/ daniher.
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No to Vlastuin, don't need backman that just kick and prey
you are kidding right. have you seen him play. hes dual sided and a very good kick if not exceptional on both feet. just keeps on getting contested bal;l and using it with great skills and very good decision making.
super super consistent player and i cant see him going past 9.
That and he's a midfielder. :shh
Not from what I've seen. Look I reckon it's something he could improve but just seems to bomb them more often than not.
He's 100% bona fuse mid.
ill take your word for it :thumbsup
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Obviously should have said bona fide. Stupid iPhone. :whistle
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Obviously should have said bona fide. Stupid iPhone. :whistle
Better than boner fide
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gws have a plethora of young mids they lack kpds and a quality ruckman.
looking at them i reckon they will go.
1/ whitfield. best available though id take stringer here.
2/ grundy. best big man available and a top 3 pick anyway.
3/ plowman/clurey. reckon one of these blokes has been earmarked here they have a great need for a kpd and neither will be available when their next pick comes around.
4/ toumpas to melb.
5/ stringer to wb. they have two picks if there is a risk and i dont buy into it that there is they can afford to take him here. most talented player in the draft id cut my right arm off to get him.
6/ one of mcrae, wines, mayes, orourke, i lean towards mayes here. wb
7/ wines to p/a
8/ mcrae to brisbane.
9/ for me vlastuin or orourke. rich. depending on what p/a and brisbane do one of wines/mcrae/orouke/vlastuin should be available imo.
10/ daniher.
Wines is set to head to Melbourne
O'Rourke is set to head to WBD. Lions will probably take a KPP.
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gws have a plethora of young mids they lack kpds and a quality ruckman.
looking at them i reckon they will go.
1/ whitfield. best available though id take stringer here.
2/ grundy. best big man available and a top 3 pick anyway.
3/ plowman/clurey. reckon one of these blokes has been earmarked here they have a great need for a kpd and neither will be available when their next pick comes around.
4/ toumpas to melb.
5/ stringer to wb. they have two picks if there is a risk and i dont buy into it that there is they can afford to take him here. most talented player in the draft id cut my right arm off to get him.
6/ one of mcrae, wines, mayes, orourke, i lean towards mayes here. wb
7/ wines to p/a
8/ mcrae to brisbane.
9/ for me vlastuin or orourke. rich. depending on what p/a and brisbane do one of wines/mcrae/orouke/vlastuin should be available imo.
10/ daniher.
Wines is set to head to Melbourne
O'Rourke is set to head to WBD. Lions will probably take a KPP.
Rumour going around that Stringer won't get past pick 6.
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spoke to a white crow outside the southern stand and he said this:
Whitfield
Toumpas
Grundy
Wines
O'Rourke
Stringer
Mayes
Plowman
???
Daniher
he's friends with jackstar so i take him pretty seriously, as you all should
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spoke to a white crow outside the southern stand and he said this:
Whitfield
Toumpas
Grundy
Wines
O'Rourke
Stringer
Mayes
Plowman
???
Daniher
he's friends with jackstar so i take him pretty seriously, as you all should
Yes sir :bow
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Don't call me sir i work for a living
Pro is fine
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Don't call me sir i work for a living
Pro is fine
Big man?
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that should be a permaban
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spoke to a white crow outside the southern stand and he said this:
Whitfield
Toumpas
Grundy
Wines
O'Rourke
Stringer
Mayes
Plowman
???
Daniher
he's friends with jackstar so i take him pretty seriously, as you all should
I think I know that guy.
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you do :cheers
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You two spend too much time in the confessional.
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spoke to a white crow outside the southern stand and he said this:
Whitfield
Toumpas
Grundy
Wines
O'Rourke
Stringer
Mayes
Plowman
MACRAE :clapping
Daniher
he's friends with jackstar so i take him pretty seriously, as you all should
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AFL site article on Taylor Garner...
Plays like: The beauty of Garner is that he is an individual talent, who plays in his own way. Sometimes he shows the same overhead marking skills as Fremantle's Nat Fyfe, but he is a different player to Fyfe. Really, Garner is a different player to most. He turns players inside out, is tough and determined, and can provide a spark for his team with a big mark, clever goal or crucial tackle. He could end up playing anywhere on the ground, too.
Draft range: Garner would suit a club that has the foundations of a good team already built, and needs an extra layer of class. That might be North Melbourne, who could do with another versatile forward. Garner should be in that range, from about pick 9-22. If still available at pick 22, the Bulldogs may swoop.
Full article at: http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/149971/default.aspx
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Another BF rumour:
"I know a guy that is at school with Macrae and Macrae has told him that he thinks he will go to Melbourne or Richmond FWIW"
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2012-draft.959078/page-71#post-26207947
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I think there are a clear two we are looking at right now. Garner and Vlastuin. From what I have been told.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2012-draft.959078/page-72#post-26233783
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Toy and tippet would be epic
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Toy and tippet would be epic
Don't think Toy's ever going to make it. Though if we had a PSD pick he may be worth it. I think he's a bit soft tbh and can't build his tank. Not the best combo.
Tippett will be on double what he's worth. If we were going to spend 1 million per year we should have got bloody Cloke. ;D
If it's out of Garner or Vlastuin then I'd be inclined to go Garner as I think he has a good enough contested game to play midfield.
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Whats the thoughts on Jesse Lonergan? I had a look at his results at the draft combine and they are very impressive. He also is afl ready considering he's played senior footy in tassie since he was 15.
Anybody seen him play?
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Whats the thoughts on Jesse Lonergan? I had a look at his results at the draft combine and they are very impressive. He also is afl ready considering he's played senior footy in tassie since he was 15.
Anybody seen him play?
Coach probably has a better idea. Unfortunately he has improved a heap this year otherwise he would have been ideal at pick 32/34. He's a very good athlete for an inside mid, has really improved his kicking and hit the scoareboard at the Champs. Can see him going 15-25.
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Coach told me Webberley is a better player
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Coach told me Webberley is a better player
Probably better not to ask coach then. :lol
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Coach told me Webberley is a better player
Probably better not to ask coach then. :lol
I never said that. You're thinking Brady Jones, gerks.
Jesse is a good player and will be the highest drafted Tassie player in quite a few years. Has spoken to many clubs.
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"Webberley is a gun" said the Coach
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Coach told me Webberley is a better player
Probably better not to ask coach then. :lol
I never said that. You're thinking Brady Jones, gerks.
Jesse is a good player and will be the highest drafted Tassie player in quite a few years. Has spoken to many clubs.
Was only joking. Presumed gerks was too. I think he'll go first round. Our pick is probably a bit high.
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Thanks guys.
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"Webberley is a gun" said the Coach
I said he wasn't up to it on draft night 2009 and you know it ;D Stop trying to ruin my good name
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I think Cameron mentioned in the post trade washup ,something along the lines of needing more numbers through the midfield,I guess hinting that pick 9 will be a midfielder.Midfielders develop far quicker than talls ,and we seem to have a few developing along ok.eg conca,ellis,martin,along with lids,cotch,tucky,grigg etc.Wouldnt it be worthwhile to get the best available tall(key position) at pick 9,and develop him.In my opinion once you develop a spine the rest of the team falls into place way more easily
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In my opinion once you develop a spine the rest of the team falls into place way more easily
I think that applies to life in general.
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indeed ..smokey :cheers
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Brett Anderson from Inside Football was just on the radio and had one of Macrae, Garner or Vlastuin (possibly a bit high for 9 in his opinion) heading to us at pick 9.
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Anderson on twitter also said he has Grundy going to Port at 7 ("GWS to get a ruckman when they are ready to challenge for finals"), Mayes at 11 and Garlett at 25.
So the first round is looking like:
1. GWS - Whitfield
2. GWS - Toumpas
3. GWS - O'Rourke
4. Melb - Wines ....... (although there's some talk even Toumpas may slide to the Dees)
5. WB - Macrae ...... (could slip to us though)
6. WB - Stringer
7. Port - Grundy
8. Bris - Jaksch
9. Rich - ?
10. Ess - Daniher (F/S)
11. Carl - Mayes
So if Macrae is gone that would leave either Garner or Vlastuin at 9.
The interesting for us in this year's draft is we'll have the first publicly known live pick given the reverse top 10 countdown.
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I liked the look of Mayes looks as though he'd be ready to play next year. Great kick too
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If Mayes is available he would be a must!!!!!
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"Webberley is a gun" said the Coach
I said he wasn't up to it on draft night 2009 and you know it ;D Stop trying to ruin my good name
;D
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If Mayes is available he would be a must!!!!!
even i agree with that. that is unless stringer is still there. man i see goddard darling and pavlich all rolled up into one with this kid. if hes there at 9 and we dont take him fair dinkum i reckon ill slash me wrists and put an end to the misery.
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As WP kindly posted last night :thumbsup, Inside Football is predicting us to take Nick Vlastuin at pick 9.
1. GWS - Whitfield
2. GWS - Toumpas
3. GWS - O'Rourke
4. Melb - Wines
5. WB - Macrae
6. WB - Menzel
7. Port - Grundy
8. Bris - Plowman
9. Rich - Vlaustin
The full mock first round (picks 1-24) is here: http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=16880.0
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The Herald-Sun story about Vlastuin mentions him possibly going to us at pick 9.
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Pick Me: Nick Vlastuin at home in the trenches
Jay Clark
From: Herald Sun
November 02, 2012
For recruiters, the "family first" attitude was another big tick for his character.
Naturally reserved off the field, Vlastuin's competitive streak and strong leadership skills come to the fore when he pulls on the boots.
Around the stoppages, the dual under-18 All-Australian brings an unflinching attack on the ball, which makes him one of the most powerful clearance players in the draft pool.
"One of the reasons his peers really gravitate to him is because of his actions on the field," Knights' regional manager Peter Kennedy said.
"He's very courageous, and one of those players that once he crosses the white line, he becomes a competitive beast.
"He really thrives on the contested side of the game, so when it becomes a little bit brutal, you know he's in there winning the contested footy."
The 187cm midfielder has also acted as a rudder in defence, showing the sacrificial side of his game, helping cover and assist teammates.
His strong frame will probably put him in the frame to play seniors from Round 1 next season, adding to his first-round appeal.
Richmond could take him as early as pick No. 9, while Gold Coast has a strong need for a ready-made inside ball winner at selection No.13.
Vlastuin said he wanted to develop into the same mould of player as St Kilda midfielder Lenny Hayes and Collingwood's Luke Ball.
"All the recruiters are saying if you can't win a one-on-one (contest), you can't play AFL; that's pretty exciting for me," he said.
"I prefer the way the game is moving to more contested footy, stoppages, body-on-body stuff, because they are my strengths. Hopefully, I get that opportunity."
THE NICK VLASTUIN FILE
Age: 18
Height: 187cm
Weight: 83kg
From: Northern Knights
Position: Midfield/half-back
Predicted draft range: 9-15
Plays like: Brad Sewell
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/pick-me-nick-vlastuin-at-home-in-the-trenches/story-e6frf9jf-1226508604446
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Sounds like your typical Hardwick player, great stuff, would be an excellent pick up for mine!!
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Emma Quayle just said she reckons we'll be interested in either Vlastuin or Plowman (although she thinks he'll be gone before our pick).
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Emma Quayle just said she reckons we'll be interested in either Vlastuin or Plowman (although she thinks he'll be gone before our pick).
Thats fine by me, Vlastuin looks the goods, ready for a round one call up!!!
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Vlastuin's highlights don't really impress me. Not that that really means anything. I know very little about this year's batch. I reckon the club will make the right call.
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Anyone know what vlastuins kicking efficiency is like.
Looks like a lot thrown on the boot from his highlights
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people who talk like they are in the know say it is pretty good
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Ta al :thumbsup
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Anyone know what vlastuins kicking efficiency is like.
He didn't finish in the top 10 at the combine
Top 10 Kicking Assessment (from Insdie Football pg 15)
1. Josh Simpson - Score 29
1. Laine Wilkins - 29
1. Rory Atkins - 29
4. Will Hams - 28
4. Brodie Murdoch - 28
4. Jack Martin - 28
7. Matthew Haines - 27
7. Jason Pongracic - 27
7. Dominic Barry - 27
7. Aidan Carr - 27
7. Kamdyn McIntosh - 27
7. James Stewart - 27
7. Louis Herbert - 27
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Neither did anybody else who would go top 10, so go figure. ;D
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Neither did anybody else who would go top 10, so go figure. ;D
Yeah noticed that too ;D
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Jackson MaCrae for me.
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Anyone know what vlastuins kicking efficiency is like.
Looks like a lot thrown on the boot from his highlights
From the TAC Cup website. Not sure why they have the kicking inefficiency stat column following the handball efficiency stat and vice-versa but anyway ....
KE 69
KIE 44
Nick Vlastuin's TAC Cup stats:
http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?action=PSTATS&pID=192116736&client=1-3020-111703-206344-16804346
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Emma Quayle on twitter was asked - would Macrae be available at pick 9?
he might have been snapped up by then.
o'rourke gone, not sure on stringer yet. Vlastuin should be there. Plowman may be too
Sam Landsberger @SamLandsberger twitter:
Reckon the Dees nab Wines at pick 4. If not, Dogs will at 5. As impressive off the field as on.
Lions love Plowman and O'Rourke but they might not get there... Open slather a bit - could go Mayes, Jaksch etc.
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A poster on BF believes Brodie Grundy will slip to pick 9 and be Crazy Ivan,s partner in crime.
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it may be possible that GWS overlook him ( but i dont believe probable) but i couldnt see Port overlooking such a home grown talent
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Any chance we can get caddy lmao
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From a Carlton fan on BF:
Emma Quayle was on SEN yesterday morning discussing the draft, she had some pretty interesting thoughts:
* GWS will select: (1) Whitfield, (2) Toumpas, (3) Menzel
* Grundy will slide as far as Richmond's selection (Pick #9).
* Wines a certainty to be picked up by Melbourne at Pick #4.
* Menzel is her pick to be the best player in the draft, has the ability to break games open and turn them on their head, and that will appeal to GWS, especially given their number of picks, they can afford to take a risk given his injuries.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2012-draft.959078/page-95#post-26322995
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If Grundy slides surely we must take him.....but I dont think he will.
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Anyone know what vlastuins kicking efficiency is like.
Looks like a lot thrown on the boot from his highlights
From the TAC Cup website. Not sure why they have the kicking inefficiency stat column following the handball efficiency stat and vice-versa but anyway ....
KE 69
KIE 44
Nick Vlastuin's TAC Cup stats:
http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?action=PSTATS&pID=192116736&client=1-3020-111703-206344-16804346
Vlastuin had a disposal efficiency of 74.7% in the U18 Champs.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/150615/default.aspx
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I'd be more than pleased if Grundy slipped down to our pick and we snapped him up :pray
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If Grundy slides surely we must take him.....but I dont think he will.
Absolutely. Ready made ruckman who loves kicking goals, and at 202cm and 100kg, would be instant second ruck and 2nd/3rd KPF. Would play round 1. :pray
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not real concerned about our first pick playing round 1, as long as he is playing for us in 3-4 years time
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I've gone a bit cold on Vlustin. He seems a little run of the mill and very similar to Ellis, Conca, Morris, Newman, Houli and more suited a back flank.
Grundy would be super at 9 although mids have more instant impact. Love Stringer or Menzel also.
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Agreed. Vlastputin looks to be a very similar player to Ellis.
(http://www.jacanaent.com/Biographies/Pix/Rasputin.jpg)
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I could be way off the mark but it wouldn't surprise me if GWS are bluffing when talking about not taking Grundy with one of their first three picks. Every year at least one of the club with an early pick makes out they might not take a highly ranked kid when behind the scenes they've locked this kid away way well before draft day. We did it in 2007 with Cotchin claiming Cale Morton was a also a show a pick 2 :lol.
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Geez. Can you imagine if we took Fail Morton with pick two that year instead of Cotch?
Thinking about it actually makes me feel a bit sick. :-X
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Re: Grundy slipping to us at pick 9.....
Emma Quayle @emmasq twitter:
"only a very slim chance I'd say. I think port will take him if he's there "
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Geez. Can you imagine if we took Fail Morton with pick two that year instead of Cotch?
Thinking about it actually makes me feel a bit sick. :-X
Even masten would have sucked
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Geez. Can you imagine if we took Fail Morton with pick two that year instead of Cotch?
Thinking about it actually makes me feel a bit sick. :-X
Do you remember who was running the show back then? Cale would have been under serious consideration :lol
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If Grundy slides surely we must take him.....but I dont think he will.
Absolutely. Ready made ruckman who loves kicking goals, and at 202cm and 100kg, would be instant second ruck and 2nd/3rd KPF. Would play round 1. :pray
Grundy, riewoldt, edwards
Knights, vickery, shewards
Whoa I sense a dynasty!! :shh
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Geez. Can you imagine if we took Fail Morton with pick two that year instead of Cotch?
Thinking about it actually makes me feel a bit sick. :-X
Do you remember who was running the show back then? Cale would have been under serious consideration :lol
I know! That's why its so stuffing sickening! :lol
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Francis Jackson was making the draft selections so Cotch was always coming to Punt Rd :thumbsup.
The problem was others were making the trade decisions that year :scream.
Anyway back to the more pleasant present. Whoever the teams before us pick up there still should be a quality young gun that will fall to us at pick 9 if we've done our homework properly. If a Menzel and/or Stringer go before our pick then even better as it'll mean more of the other young guns talked about as top 10ers will be available for us to choose from. I'm a bit of a Sam Mayes fan although I've got a feeling we'll stick to a Victorian kid this year be it a Macrae, Vlastuin or whoever.
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If Grundy slides surely we must take him.....but I dont think he will.
Absolutely. Ready made ruckman who loves kicking goals, and at 202cm and 100kg, would be instant second ruck and 2nd/3rd KPF. Would play round 1. :pray
Grundy, riewoldt, edwards
Knights, vickery, shewards
Whoa I sense a dynasty!! :shh
Whoa, not 1 defensive unit in the comp would outmatch that forward set up!
Whoa :shh
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If Grundy slides surely we must take him.....but I dont think he will.
Absolutely. Ready made ruckman who loves kicking goals, and at 202cm and 100kg, would be instant second ruck and 2nd/3rd KPF. Would play round 1. :pray
Grundy, riewoldt, edwards
Knights, vickery, shewards
Whoa I sense a dynasty!! :shh
Whoa, not 1 defensive unit in the comp would outmatch that forward set up!
Whoa :shh
Morris, Chaplin, Rance
Newman, Griffiths, Grimes
Whooaaa......Lucky we dont play ourselves!!!!
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If Grundy slides surely we must take him.....but I dont think he will.
Absolutely. Ready made ruckman who loves kicking goals, and at 202cm and 100kg, would be instant second ruck and 2nd/3rd KPF. Would play round 1. :pray
Grundy, riewoldt, edwards
Knights, vickery, shewards
Whoa I sense a dynasty!! :shh
Whoa, not 1 defensive unit in the comp would outmatch that forward set up!
Whoa :shh
Morris, Chaplin, Rance
Newman, Griffiths, Grimes
Whooaaa......Lucky we dont play ourselves!!!!
Whoa :shh
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Pre season intra-club matches are gonna go off!
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In Inside Football's individual profiles, it has 15 players whose draft range is "1st rounder": (in no particular order)
Whitfield, Toumpas, O'Rourke, Wines, Mayes, Membrey, Menzel, Stringer, Plowman, Daniher, Simpson, Clurey, Jacksch, Macrae, Grundy.
Plus an additional 9 players whose draft range is "1st/2nd rounder": (in no particular order)
Garlett, Garner, Graham, Kennedy, Lonergan, McIntosh, Shaw, Vlastuin and Wright.
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And yet there are 24 first rounders. So therefore they all need to go first round for them to be accurate. :whistle
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Could someone develop a list of names from Phantom Drafts that have us selecting a player at Pick 9 etc ...
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Wouldn't be surprised to see us take a player like Macrae or Garner first and then more inside mids with our second round picks. Shame it's a weak draft for young rucks, would definitely take Grundy if available at 9 although I think it's highly unlikely.
As it's quite an even draft, I believe we'll see a lot of sides take home grown players as there's been a lot of go-home factor lately that will be influencing clubs. Might help us get the players we are after.
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Could someone develop a list of names from Phantom Drafts that have us selecting a player at Pick 9 etc ...
Here's a start. It's a lottery:-
9. Troy Menzel - Richmond- http://www.thisisafl.com/forums/f33/2012-axel-mock-draft-17508/
9. Taylor Garner - Richmond - http://www.footballnation.com.au/latest-news/the-football-nation-2012-afl-mock-draft/
9. Jackson Macrae - Richmond - http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2012-big-footy-phantom-draft.979727/
9. Nick Vlastuin - Richmond - http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/dingles-mock-draft-2-rounds.979356/
9. Jake Stringer - Richmond - http://www.footytragic.com/blog/2012-phantom-draft/4345/
9. Lachie Plowman - Richmond - http://www.supercoachhq.com/14/post/2012/09/tac-cup-future-stars-phantom-draft.html
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Youtube highlights of Nick Vlastuin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkau4yN1_hs
His nickname is 'tigga'. An omen?
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I reckon its a good sign.
We may land the fourth or fifth best player in the draft pool if.lucky.
Could someone develop a list of names from Phantom Drafts that have us selecting a player at Pick 9 etc ...
Here's a start. It's a lottery:-
9. Troy Menzel - Richmond- http://www.thisisafl.com/forums/f33/2012-axel-mock-draft-17508/
9. Taylor Garner - Richmond - http://www.footballnation.com.au/latest-news/the-football-nation-2012-afl-mock-draft/
9. Jackson Macrae - Richmond - http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2012-big-footy-phantom-draft.979727/
9. Nick Vlastuin - Richmond - http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/dingles-mock-draft-2-rounds.979356/
9. Jake Stringer - Richmond - http://www.footytragic.com/blog/2012-phantom-draft/4345/
9. Lachie Plowman - Richmond - http://www.supercoachhq.com/14/post/2012/09/tac-cup-future-stars-phantom-draft.html
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I've got a feeling we will end up with Mayes or Stringer.
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if there's any truth to what i have read about stringers attitude then i doubt we will take him.
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if there's any truth to what i have read about stringers attitude then i doubt we will take him.
What have you read?
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I think it was TFLUA who said he's not a very high character kid and someone else mentioned he yells abuse at his teammates.
Yeah, he is a bad character. He is selfish in a way that he wants all the glory, even if there is a teammate who is a better option. He also abuses teammates and has a bad attitude. I wouldn't knock his ability though, he is a very good footballer and he would be considered a top 3 pick without the leg problems.
from Big Footy
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If he came here doing that poo then he'd get told to pull his head in pretty quickly. Riewoldt might even bring his finger point out of semi retirement. Sounds like Mitch Thorpe. Biggest idiot in footy that guy
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yeah, the mitch thorpe comparison had crossed my mind too.
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If he abuses Cotch in that fashion he will be struck down by lightening from the heavens.
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A lot of the concerns club's can have with drafting a ruckman inside the top 10 don't apply to Grundy given his advanced physical development. He still has a large upside and it wouldn't surprise to see him taken inside the top five with the Giants a good fit.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/150631/default.aspx
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No surprise, but if Wines isn't snagged by GWS with picks 1-3, he'll be taken at pick 4 by the Demons (pending they still have that pick, of course).
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AFL ditches top-10 draft countdown
Sam Lienert
The Age
November 7, 2012 - 6:07PM
The AFL has ditched their top-10 countdown for revealing clubs' national draft choices.
For the past three years, the first 10 draft picks in the league's biggest annual recruiting meeting have been conducted behind closed doors then revealed in reverse order.
But for the November 22 draft on the Gold Coast, picks will be announced in their correct sequence.
The countdown method was designed to add a sense of drama to the event.
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But there was little suspense last year, given AFL newcomers Greater Western Sydney had eight of the first 10 picks, including the top five.
And the eventual No.1 pick, Jonathon Patton, had been widely forecast before the draft.
The Giants have the opening three picks in this year's draft, having been handed the top choice as wooden spooners this year and traded recruiting concessions for the next two selections.
They are expected to take Victorian midfielder Lachie Whitfield at No.1.
http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-sport/afl-ditches-top10-draft-countdown-20121107-28yar.html
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I think it was TFLUA who said he's not a very high character kid and someone else mentioned he yells abuse at his teammates.
Yeah, he is a bad character. He is selfish in a way that he wants all the glory, even if there is a teammate who is a better option. He also abuses teammates and has a bad attitude. I wouldn't knock his ability though, he is a very good footballer and he would be considered a top 3 pick without the leg problems.
from Big Footy
If it was from "Big Footy" as you call it, why quote posts from it, in fact why even read it?
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The AFL has ditched their top-10 countdown for revealing clubs' national draft choices.
For the past three years, the first 10 draft picks in the league's biggest annual recruiting meeting have been conducted behind closed doors then revealed in reverse order.
But for the November 22 draft on the Gold Coast, picks will be announced in their correct sequence.
http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-sport/afl-ditches-top10-draft-countdown-20121107-28yar.html
Commonsense prevails. Everyone knows each year nowdays who is going at pick 1 so there was no point to doing a countdown.
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I think it was TFLUA who said he's not a very high character kid and someone else mentioned he yells abuse at his teammates.
Yeah, he is a bad character. He is selfish in a way that he wants all the glory, even if there is a teammate who is a better option. He also abuses teammates and has a bad attitude. I wouldn't knock his ability though, he is a very good footballer and he would be considered a top 3 pick without the leg problems.
from Big Footy
If it was from "Big Footy" as you call it, why quote posts from it, in fact why even read it?
because i can
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Here's a start. It's a lottery:-
Sure is. Thanks for the links.
I'd be over the moon if Stringer slipped to 9 but I think the dogs will take him.
Macrae is an interesting one, looks an absolute ball magnet but can he use it?
Vlastuin, looks good, but do you spend a top 10 pick on a 187cm defender. Don't think we can afford that again after doing similar 2 yrs ago with Conca.
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Think you will find vlastuin is a midfielder. He played across half back during the champs partly, at least, due to injury
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Graham, Kennedy
The king is back :bow
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Think you will find vlastuin is a midfielder. He played across half back during the champs partly, at least, due to injury
OK.
I'm just a little worried, we have used last 2 first round picks on half back flankers.
*All of my draft opinions are based on the 3 minute bigpond videos.
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Think you will find vlastuin is a midfielder. He played across half back during the champs partly, at least, due to injury
OK.
I'm just a little worried, we have used last 2 first round picks on half back flankers.
*All of my draft opinions are based on the 3 minute bigpond videos.
I feel the same as you mate. I would class Conca and Ellis as HBF's/Def' Mids. I reckon we should go for an out and out attacking Mid/HFF with Pick 9. Just on the Vids, I reckon this bloke has the best of the Pick 9 candidates:
http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/76/default.aspx#playvideo#playvideo#playvideo#playvideo#playvideo#playvideo
Ben Kennedy (on page 2)
And he likes "Richmond". :thumbsup
But I still prefer MacCrae.
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I wouldn't say no to Kennedy, he doesn't look like he is ready made though, would need time in the ressies.
But yeah I think we need someone attacking, Macrae fits that and I am warming to him too.
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Going by what Dimma said in the midfield depth thread it looks like we're after a mid at pick 9 who is a centre square ballwinner.
“We’re looking for players who can step up into the midfield as our second rotation,” said Richmond coach Damien Hardwick.
“We probably lacked a bit of that this year. When Cotchin and Martin went forward we lost a bit inside the centre square.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=16913.0
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So who fits that mold and will be available at 9?
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Vlastuin.......
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Menzel is the one!!
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Blues poster on Richmond draft thread on BigFooty reckons his source said blues aren't looking at Menzel anymore because he'll be gone at 8.
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AFL site is linking Jaksch to Brisbane at pick 8.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/150886/default.aspx
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Blues poster on Richmond draft thread on BigFooty reckons his source said blues aren't looking at Menzel anymore because he'll be gone at 8.
Menzel to the Bulldogs at 6.
From the Bulldogs forum.
"Just popped in to let you know that a fairly strong source (although Carlton related) says that we have crossed Menzel off our list, because he will be selected by you."
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2012-list-management-drafts-trading-and-delistings-part-2.977120/page-184#post-26355543
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Going by what Dimma said in the midfield depth thread it looks like we're after a mid at pick 9 who is a centre square ballwinner.
“We’re looking for players who can step up into the midfield as our second rotation,” said Richmond coach Damien Hardwick.
“We probably lacked a bit of that this year. When Cotchin and Martin went forward we lost a bit inside the centre square.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=16913.0
Jesse Lonergan might be a chance
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Vlastuin rated highly obviously but think Stringer best fits our needs as far as extra mid depth and ability to go forward an kick goals (resting like Cotchy or Martin)...
read this blog which I thought summed it up nicely:
http://nadsblog.com/
all a bit of guess work but think if the knee's right then he's a good fit - from what I've seen and read he'd be a beast with Dusty
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is it true he cant kick on his left because it hurts him?
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heard he's started kicking on it again mate (apparently was using it at the combine and is getting more strength in it)...was rated a top 5 pick on talent by many recruiters...
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Take it will a grain of salt but anyway a combined fans mock draft on AFL draft machine has Vlastuin going to us at 9.
http://draftmachine.afl.com.au/
1. Lachie Whitfield (Greater Western Sydney)
2. Jimmy Toumpas (Greater Western Sydney)
3. Brodie Grundy (Greater Western Sydney)
4. Oliver Wines (Melbourne)
5. Jake Stringer (Western Bulldogs)
6. Lachie Plowman (Western Bulldogs)
7. Tim Broomhead (Port Adelaide) :huh3
8. Jackson Macrae (Brisbane Lions)
9. Nick Vlastuin (Richmond)
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Take it will a grain of salt but anyway a combined fans mock draft on AFL draft machine has Vlastuin going to us at 9.
http://draftmachine.afl.com.au/
1. Lachie Whitfield (Greater Western Sydney)
2. Jimmy Toumpas (Greater Western Sydney)
3. Brodie Grundy (Greater Western Sydney)
4. Oliver Wines (Melbourne)
5. Jake Stringer (Western Bulldogs)
6. Lachie Plowman (Western Bulldogs)
7. Tim Broomhead (Port Adelaide) :huh3
8. Jackson Macrae (Brisbane Lions)
9. Nick Vlastuin (Richmond)
reckon the dogs will take mayes at 6 probably target a kpd at 22 maybe tanner smith.someone like nick rodda may be there at 51.
still hoping like mad stringer slips to 9.ive been hoping for 3 yrs that we would get a crack at this kid.
the real key is what gws do.
i can see whitfield grundy and maybe stringer at gws as a needs thing. its very close to best available anyway.
cant for the life of me be seeing them overlook grundy. they need a long term high quality ruckman and in grundy they have everything they could wish for.
stringer well to me he is the best available at pick 1 yet alone after. gws can afford to take the risk with injury having picks 1, 2, 3 to get the best kid in the draft imo. they not only have 1, 2, and 3 but 12 and 14 and someone like mayes or orouke could slip this low.
come what may we should get a real good player at 9. my biggest lament is not having another couple of picks from say 45 to 60.
also it seems to me as general sort of theme wa kids are not being given due respect. i suppose thats a result of most comments on the draft coming from eastern states media.
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is it true he cant kick on his left because it hurts him?
Correct. And stuff me dead this kid is so overrated I feel sorry for him. Hope he goes Doggies so no one will watch his games. That should help ease him into it. :whistle
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Take it will a grain of salt but anyway a combined fans mock draft on AFL draft machine has Vlastuin going to us at 9.
http://draftmachine.afl.com.au/
1. Lachie Whitfield (Greater Western Sydney)
2. Jimmy Toumpas (Greater Western Sydney)
3. Brodie Grundy (Greater Western Sydney)
4. Oliver Wines (Melbourne)
5. Jake Stringer (Western Bulldogs)
6. Lachie Plowman (Western Bulldogs)
7. Tim Broomhead (Port Adelaide) :huh3
8. Jackson Macrae (Brisbane Lions)
9. Nick Vlastuin (Richmond)
reckon the dogs will take mayes at 6 probably target a kpd at 22 maybe tanner smith.someone like nick rodda may be there at 51.
still hoping like mad stringer slips to 9.ive been hoping for 3 yrs that we would get a crack at this kid.
the real key is what gws do.
i can see whitfield grundy and maybe stringer at gws as a needs thing. its very close to best available anyway.
cant for the life of me be seeing them overlook grundy. they need a long term high quality ruckman and in grundy they have everything they could wish for.
stringer well to me he is the best available at pick 1 yet alone after. gws can afford to take the risk with injury having picks 1, 2, 3 to get the best kid in the draft imo. they not only have 1, 2, and 3 but 12 and 14 and someone like mayes or orouke could slip this low.
come what may we should get a real good player at 9. my biggest lament is not having another couple of picks from say 45 to 60.
also it seems to me as general sort of theme wa kids are not being given due respect. i suppose thats a result of most comments on the draft coming from eastern states media.
claw what can you tell us about stringers attitude?
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Jesse Lonergan!!!
Will slot straight into the midfield!
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Need a tough inside midfielder with pace and great skill with Pick 9.
One that will Hardwick would throw into the fire early and fast track him!
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Pick 9 - Inside Midfielder
Pick 32 - Half Forward
Pick 34 - Tall Backman
Pick 43 - Inside Midfielder
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Expect Plowman to be one of the first 10 names read out at the draft. He could go as high as pick No.3 to the Giants if they are keen on picking a player outside of the midfield, but could as drop to the Tigers at pick nine or anywhere in between.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/150797/default.aspx
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is it true he cant kick on his left because it hurts him?
Correct. And stuff me dead this kid is so overrated I feel sorry for him. Hope he goes Doggies so no one will watch his games. That should help ease him into it. :whistle
My main concern about Stringer is about the limp. Will it cause any problems elsewhere (hip, groin, hammies, etc...) over time with his body compensating for it?
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Draft dodgers
Emma Quayle
The Age
November 11, 2012
MOST years, there is one of them. This year there are two - Troy Menzel and Jake Stringer, talented teenage footballers who would be certain top-10 draft picks if not for significant injuries that have left recruiters wondering if their bodies will let them do what they want to do at the next level up.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/draft-dodgers-20121110-29577.html#ixzz2BpaIFppY
Emma mentions current and past AFL players who had injury concerns prior to being drafted:
Chris Judd
Joel Selwood
Jack Darling
Travis Varcoe
Beau Muston [delisted]
Dyson Heppell
Ayce Cordy
Robbie Tarrant
Callum Bartlett
Jack Grimes
Beau Dowler [delisted]
Elliot Kavanagh
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Jono O'Rourke ... is firming as the Dogs' prized No.5 pick.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/pickme/western-bulldogs-hope-for-a-dream-element/story-fnau1fjg-1226514318419
So going by all the rumours in the media and on the net, the top 10 will go something like this:
1. Whitfield - GWS
2. Toumpas - GWS
3. Menzel - GWS
4. Wines - Melb
5. O'Rourke - Dogs
6. Stringer - Dogs
7. Grundy - Port
8. Jaksch - Bris
9. ? - Rich
10. Daniher - Ess (F/S)
That leaves guys like Vlastuin, Macrae, Mayes, Plowman, Garner, etc ... for us to choose from at pick 9.
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That would b e great to have a real good choice of not only talent but positional players
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Jono O'Rourke ... is firming as the Dogs' prized No.5 pick.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/pickme/western-bulldogs-hope-for-a-dream-element/story-fnau1fjg-1226514318419
So going by all the rumours in the media and on the net, the top 10 will go something like this:
1. Whitfield - GWS
2. Toumpas - GWS
3. Menzel - GWS :
4. Wines - Melb
5. O'Rourke - Dogs
6. Stringer - Dogs
7. Grundy - Port
8. Jaksch - Bris
9. ? - Rich
10. Daniher - Ess (F/S)
That leaves guys like Vlastuin, Macrae, Mayes, Plowman, Garner, etc ... for us to choose from at pick 9.
if plowman drops drops how difficult would it be to say no
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Going by that it doesn't look.as.if he's dropping.
As opposed to where he's about due to be
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From a Bulldogs fan who claims he knows Garner ...
"Knightmare I'm close to garner -wright-and Calvert Richmond want garner collingwood and Essendon want wright and Geelong and Fremantle want Calvert"
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/knightmares-2012-mock-draft.956129/page-82#post-26370460
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From Brett Anderson of Inside Footy ...
"Could Brodie Grundy slide past Port at pick 7? Wouldn't be shocked if he ends up at GWS at pick 12. "
His top 4 is currently Whitfield, Toumpas, O'Rourke to GWS and Wines to Melbourne. Can't see O'Rourke getting past 5. Menzel at 5 or 6.
As for us ...
"Certainly a few whispers (re: Garner) but the Vlastuin link is stronger."
"Could well do.(re: Grundy) They (Richmond) love vlastuin though."
"Would make for a big call between Grundy and vlastuin"
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if plowman drops drops how difficult would it be to say no
Seems Plowman may end up a Blue at pick 11.
If Grundy slips to GWS at 12 then Port must be wanting Mayes at 7.
1. Whitfield - GWS
2. Toumpas - GWS
3. O'Rourke/Menzel - GWS :
4. Wines - Melb
5. O'Rourke/Menzel - Dogs
6. Stringer - Dogs
7. Mayes - Port
8. Jaksch - Bris
9. Vlastuin - Rich
10. Daniher - Ess (F/S)
11. Plowman - Carl
12. Grundy - GWS
I'm still finding this hard to believe that Grundy and Macrae who isn't in this top 12 will slip this far down. Then there's Garner. Having said that someone out of all these kids has to slip down to the picks in the teens.
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I'd be very happy to get one of Grundy, Macrae, Garner, Vlastuin. Pick 9 looking good this year :gotigers
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I'm not sure Garner is worth pick 9? The one similarity to to Fyfe he does have is dodgy shoulders. I not sure he's worth the risk.....
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I'm not sure Garner is worth pick 9? The one similarity to to Fyfe he does have is dodgy shoulders. I not sure he's worth the risk.....
Garner has the potential to be an absolute jet. I got my hands on his VC vs WA game and it was very good. 20 disposals 3 goals. Would add some serious class to the forward half as well as push up through the midfield.
OE I think that list you have is pretty much spot on but will be O'Rourke AND Menzel for Dogs and no Stringer.
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I'm not sure Garner is worth pick 9? The one similarity to to Fyfe he does have is dodgy shoulders. I not sure he's worth the risk.....
Garner has the potential to be an absolute jet. I got my hands on his VC vs WA game and it was very good. 20 disposals 3 goals. Would add some serious class to the forward half as well as push up through the midfield.
RT I think that list you have is pretty much spot on but will be O'Rourke AND Menzel for Dogs and no Stringer.
I'm not disagreeing the kid can play I just think he'll be a gamble at #9. Vlastuin, Grundy or Macrea would be safer long term selections IMO.
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We can always get more mids and they mature earlier. Good rucks are hard to find and Grundy looks very good.
A good big man will always beat a good little man.......
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Not every kid is linked to jimmy barrel
Won't find many past 9
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I'm not sure Garner is worth pick 9? The one similarity to to Fyfe he does have is dodgy shoulders. I not sure he's worth the risk.....
Garner has the potential to be an absolute jet. I got my hands on his VC vs WA game and it was very good. 20 disposals 3 goals. Would add some serious class to the forward half as well as push up through the midfield.
RT I think that list you have is pretty much spot on but will be O'Rourke AND Menzel for Dogs and no Stringer.
I'm not disagreeing the kid can play I just think he'll be a gamble at #9. Vlastuin, Grundy or Macrea would be safer long term selections IMO.
I agree with you to an extent, depends who is available. I'm leaning more towards Garner at this stage then Vlastuin just due to potential upside.
You'd have to take Grundy/Macrae/Stringer in front of Garner/Vlastuin though, surely?
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I'm not sure Garner is worth pick 9? The one similarity to to Fyfe he does have is dodgy shoulders. I not sure he's worth the risk.....
Garner has the potential to be an absolute jet. I got my hands on his VC vs WA game and it was very good. 20 disposals 3 goals. Would add some serious class to the forward half as well as push up through the midfield.
RT I think that list you have is pretty much spot on but will be O'Rourke AND Menzel for Dogs and no Stringer.
I'm not disagreeing the kid can play I just think he'll be a gamble at #9. Vlastuin, Grundy or Macrea would be safer long term selections IMO.
Yer my order would go Vlastuin, Grundy, Garner, Macrae. That's without a medical report on Garner which who knows how bad they are or if they're fine.
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I'm not sure Garner is worth pick 9? The one similarity to to Fyfe he does have is dodgy shoulders. I not sure he's worth the risk.....
Garner has the potential to be an absolute jet. I got my hands on his VC vs WA game and it was very good. 20 disposals 3 goals. Would add some serious class to the forward half as well as push up through the midfield.
RT I think that list you have is pretty much spot on but will be O'Rourke AND Menzel for Dogs and no Stringer.
I'm not disagreeing the kid can play I just think he'll be a gamble at #9. Vlastuin, Grundy or Macrea would be safer long term selections IMO.
I agree with you to an extent, depends who is available. I'm leaning more towards Garner at this stage then Vlastuin just due to potential upside.
You'd have to take Grundy/Macrae/Stringer in front of Garner/Vlastuin though, surely?
Yeah for sure! Grundy would be a drem pick up! Stringer has some knocks but is a player very similar to Hurly but can play midfield as well and Macrea is has super silky skills probably a little light on to play to a full first year but long term would potentially be the best of he lot. In saying that there is nothing wrong with Vlastuin and would be more than happy with him if thats how it ends up. It's really starting to get exciting! And what makes it better is it seems that it's only the first 4 picks hat seem to be a 100% lock!
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I'm not sure Garner is worth pick 9? The one similarity to to Fyfe he does have is dodgy shoulders. I not sure he's worth the risk.....
One Chris Judd had dodgy shoulders before being drafted.
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Not that I'd be unhappy with Vlastuin, I just don't think he is outstanding in any one area, just seems to be decent/good at everything. Grundy, Macrae, Stringer and even Garner to mine just have that little bit more of an X factor about them, so I'd be rapt to end up with one of them. If Plowman slips down to 9, would be very very difficult to say no as well :cheers
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I'm not sure Garner is worth pick 9? The one similarity to to Fyfe he does have is dodgy shoulders. I not sure he's worth the risk.....
Garner has the potential to be an absolute jet. I got my hands on his VC vs WA game and it was very good. 20 disposals 3 goals. Would add some serious class to the forward half as well as push up through the midfield.
OE I think that list you have is pretty much spot on but will be O'Rourke AND Menzel for Dogs and no Stringer.
I'm basing Stringer to the Dogs at 6 on what Emma Quayle is saying. Where most of this mids will end up will depend on where and when Grundy goes. If Grundy goes early then yep Stringer could slip down the order.
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Watching Garners video interview gives me the impression he thinks the Tigers will take him at 9......Just a knowing grin here and there and when he talks about Richmond he looks like the 'Cat that ate the cream'. ;)
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i think the fact we have pick 9 is a bonus. we could have traded out of it.
some of us like stringer others like wines others macrae or garner or vlastuin. no matter what happens we should end up with a highly credentialled kid. the real bonus imo would be if grundy did slip. cant see how we can over look him with our ruck stocks if he is there at 9. yet again i cant see how gws can overlook him they are screaming out for a a high quality ruckman they want him to be ready and at his best in 3 or 4 yrs time when most of their kids get enough games behind them and they are coming into their own.
reckon port and us are the other two sides who just cant afford to overlook him if hes available at their pick.
gws could go
1/ whitfield high quality mid they have a heap of them already.
2/ grundy they are screaming out for a long term quality ruckman. this bloke is a genuine top 5 pick anyway.
3/ this is where it gets interesting you can always do with more quality mids but they also need more quality tall defenders and they do with big bodied types who are versatile.imo they can afford to ask themselves who has the most upside here and take a punt. would not be surprised to see stringer go here.
12/ sheesh the bastards have pick 12. we dont know who will go where theres every chance two or three high quality kpds will fall here. can see cluery here and plowman slipping to here. they have a need for tall defenders.
14/ geez what an option to have they can simply pick the one real good one who slips of any type. amazing to say menzel orourke, vlastuin, simpson wines macrae mayes anyone of them could ossibly slip to here.
they really are in a position to do what they please take what they need most, and take a risk. no matter what they do those picks enable them to pick the eyes out of it.
if they take grundy at two are they over paying i dont think so. if they take stringer at 3 are they over paying i dont think so. at 12 and 14 if say orouke slips do they over pay geez hes toutes a top 5 pick.
they have the luxury to do both take the best and address needs. seems to me needs are not far separted from the best available. some will say their needs are indeed best available.
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From the horses mouth... Taylor Garner thinks he will go between pick 16-20. Not sure if he is being modest or genuine though.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2012-draft.959078/page-124#post-26393679
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Herald-Sun is saying GWS is looking at Plowman at pick 3 now with Wines to the Dees, O'Rourke and Menzel to the Dogs and Grundy to Port.
1. Whitfield ...... GWS
2. Toumpas ...... GWS
3. Plowman ...... GWS
4. Wines .......... Melb.
5. O'Rourke ....... WB
6. Menzel .......... WB
7. Grundy .......... Port
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/the-giants-hunch-on-lachie-plowman-could-poise-the-dogs-and-dees-to-cash-in-at-the-draft/story-e6frf9jf-1226516135805
If that's all true and Jaksch ends up going to Brisbane at 8 then that'll leave all of Macrae, Vlastuin, Mayes, Garner and Stringer available for us to choose from at pick 9.
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Gun ruckman in Tigers' sights
By Callum Twomey
afl.com.au
10:39 AM Wed 14 Nov, 2012
RICHMOND could find itself in the box seat to recruit Brodie Grundy, the best young ruckman in the country, at next week's NAB AFL Draft.
And even if Greater Western Sydney doesn't select the South Australian big man with one of its first three picks, it is also a chance to land him later in the draft.
Massive raps: read Grundy's assessment and see his highlights (http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=150631)
Although touted as one of the Giants' first three selections for most of the year, the club seems likely to ignore Grundy and pick midfielders Lachie Whitfield and Jimmy Toumpas, and defender Lachie Plowman, with its opening picks.
South Australian Troy Menzel is also a chance to be picked at No.3, with some recruiters believing it's a toss of the coin whether Menzel or Plowman end up as the Giants' third selection.
At pick seven, Port Adelaide is likely to choose between Grundy and fellow South Australian Sam Mayes. Victorians Jackson Macrae and Kristian Jaksch will also come into contention at this selection.
The Power already has four players on their list at 200cm or more, although the 202cm Grundy is considered ready for senior action next year.
But if Port choose to overlook Grundy he will get through to the Tigers, with Brisbane not interested in drafting another ruckman after choosing Billy Longer last year at pick eight.
It means Grundy could fall into the Tigers' lap at pick nine, a coup for the club given its lack of ruck depth.
It lost Angus Graham to Adelaide during the Gillette AFL Trade Period, and has shown interest in bolstering its ruck department by inviting delisted duo Orren Stephenson and Cameron Wood to train with it ahead of the draft.
Complicating matters is that the Tigers are also fond of prolific midfielder Macrae, and also like Vic Metro captain Nick Vlastuin.
If the Tigers don't go with Grundy, the Giants could afford to pick him with selection 14, which would be the steal of this year's draft.
Essendon (pick 10) has committed to star junior Joe Daniher, while Carlton (pick 11) has other priorities to address ahead of adding another ruckman to its list.
Gold Coast holds pick 13 but is unlikely to pick another ruckman with the abundance of young big men on its developing list.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/151073/default.aspx
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Would love to take Grundy at pick 9, is a beast.
So we'll more than likely have a choice between:
Grundy, Macrae, Stringer, Garner and Vlastuin. Pick 9 looking bloody good this year :thumbsup
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Quayle has said today we haven't spoken to Grundy.
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Quayle has said today we haven't spoken to Grundy.
Could it be that we weren't expecting him to be available?
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Doubt anyone thought it was a realistic option.
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I'm 100% certain Quayle herself didn't think Grundy was a realistic option of being available at pick 9. When asked she said something along the lines of he wouldn't get past Port at pick 7.
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I dont think we will take a ruckman when all those mids are available. Just cannot see it myself.
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I dont think we will take a ruckman when all those mids are available. Just cannot see it myself.
This guy would be like an extra mid once the ball hits the ground. Very agile for a big man, uses the ball really well, think he was travelling above 70% DE at the Champs.
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Sounds like the top 10 is bloated with talent and we're going to walk away with a ripper.
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I dont think we will take a ruckman when all those mids are available. Just cannot see it myself.
Mids are always available. Good rucks are not. Always take the tall.
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Another train of thought says never take rucks with top 10 pick.
More so if gun mid are still on the table
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The strikerate is getting better with the big guys in recent drafts.
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I dont think we will take a ruckman when all those mids are available. Just cannot see it myself.
Me either.
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Brodie Grundy Highlights....... http://bigpondvideo.com/AFL/392333/brodie-grundy-2011-highlights/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdhyRIISiOw
The kid also played senior football this year with Sturt so would be a realistic chance of debuting this season, could be handy if Vickery doesn't stand up ;)
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From Brett Anderson of Inside Football:
"Vlastuin is the Tigers man at 9."
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From Brett Anderson of Inside Football:
"Vlastuin is the Tigers man at 9."
There would be better options :banghead :banghead :banghead
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From Brett Anderson of Inside Football:
"Vlastuin is the Tigers man at 9."
There would be better options :banghead :banghead :banghead
Dont think so Vlastuin is a gun and for me underated.
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From Brett Anderson of Inside Football:
"Vlastuin is the Tigers man at 9."
There would be better options :banghead :banghead :banghead
Dont think so Vlastuin is a gun and for me underated.
Why do you say that Georgies? (am not being sarcastic when I ask this..aside from highlights i have never seen him play)
What do you like about the kid? Isn't there a knock on his pace but otherwise ticks all the boxes?
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It wouldn't surprise me if we know who we definitely want already. We have in recent drafts since FJ became head recruiter seemed to have locked in early on who we wanted with our first pick and not wavered from it - Ellis, Conca, Martin, Vickery, Cotch and Jack.
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It wouldn't surprise me if we know who we definitely want already. We have in recent drafts since FJ became head recruiter seemed to have locked in early on who we wanted with our first pick and not wavered from it - Ellis, Conca, Martin, Vickery, Cotch and Jack.
Agree MT
Are you or anyone else from OER going to the draft night tonight?
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So much for going best available? They take who they bloody want every time :rollin
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Quayle has said today we haven't spoken to Grundy.
Could it be that we weren't expecting him to be available?
nah, just no need with wood and stephenson in the wings
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Mid, Ruck - it doesnt matter. It's about the quality of the kid. If this Grundy chap is going to be a poo-hot ruckman one day then why not take him? We need more quality across the park.
Keep it simple, stupid: BEST AVAILABLE.
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Grundy's highlights are more impressive than Vlastuin's to me.
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Grundy's highlights are more impressive than Vlastuin's to me.
Most definitely. We must not let Grundy go by if available, I don't care what FJ and his cohorts say.
Looks and plays like a young Gary Dempsey:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdhyRIISiOw
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grundy is a young man playing against boys in those highlights though
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grundy is a young man playing against boys in those highlights though
You seen the size of Viney, Wines, Vlastuin etc.?
They aint boys.
But i take your point. He is pretty physically developed. Not sure if this is a bad thing though.
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Although im generally against drafting rucks in r1 id make an exception with this guy :shh
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grundy is a young man playing against boys in those highlights though
You seen the size of Viney, Wines, Vlastuin etc.?
They aint boys.
But i take your point. He is pretty physically developed. Not sure if this is a bad thing though.
not necessarily a bad thing, but when you see a ruckman with a beard destroying skinny boys you do need to take it into consideration when comparing highlights packages.
Grundy has played against men and looking at his tats seemed to take on more ruck duties towards the end of the year and won his share of hit outs.
didn't do a great deal around the ground, but then again marics stats were not that flattering until we recruited him.
I wouldnt be dissapointed if we drafted him, but the go home factor is a concern, particularily for someone who will still probably take time to have any real impact.
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Can't see us deviating now from our long term recruiting plan. By inviting Wood and the Big O to train with us that tells me straight away our plan was never to get a young ruck man in the draft. Could be wrong but I doubt whether we won't take a midfielder with our first pick.
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grundy is a young man playing against boys in those highlights though
You seen the size of Viney, Wines, Vlastuin etc.?
They aint boys.
But i take your point. He is pretty physically developed. Not sure if this is a bad thing though.
not necessarily a bad thing, but when you see a ruckman with a beard destroying skinny boys you do need to take it into consideration when comparing highlights packages.
Grundy has played against men and looking at his tats seemed to take on more ruck duties towards the end of the year and won his share of hit outs.
didn't do a great deal around the ground, but then again marics stats were not that flattering until we recruited him.
I wouldnt be dissapointed if we drafted him, but the go home factor is a concern, particularily for someone who will still probably take time to have any real impact.
Does he get tattoos of his hitout stats? Whereabouts?
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somewhere you will probably never see them
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The guy (Grundy)is a must if available.
Why?
We are NOT going to win the premiership next year or the year after most likely.
We need a young ruck who can develop into a top liner. From all reports and what I have seen he is pretty close to Kreuzer (before doing his knee!). Maric will only be good for another 3 to 4 years tops. Even in one or two he may get injured as we use him all the time which results in wear and tear. At least we will have a talented back up to support our mids.
It's important to have a good ruck as shown by getting rid of Graham. At the moment the only back ups are all spuds. Wood=spud, Big O=spud. The big Dx=unproven even at his age!
Very good rucks are very hard to find. Good Mids are much easier to find and they develop faster. That means we need to start earlier in finding a good ruck than a mid. Next years draft has many good mids. Even at choice thirty odd we could probably pick up a handy mid. You will be surprised who could slide that far. The absolute elite mids will be gone by 9 if Grundy slides to us.
And a good big man will always beat a good little man!
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More from Brett Anderson tonight on twitter:
"My info suggests he [Grundy] will still be there at 9. Still feel they opt for the midfielder in Vlastuin over Grundy."
"Macrae is my slider. I have him at 12 to GWS."
"Dees will take him [Wines] over Toumpas at 4. Dogs to get Toumpas and O'Rourke."
"I think Tiges pass even if he is there... "
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So Anderson has:
1. Whitfield ......... GWS
2. Menzel ............ GWS
3. Plowman ......... GWS
4. Wines ............. Melb.
5. Toumpas ......... WB
6. O'Rourke ......... WB
7. Mayes ............. Port
8. Jaksch ............. Bris
9. Vlastuin ........... Rich
10. Daniher ......... Ess
11. Stringer ......... Carl
12. Macrae .......... GWS
13. Grundy .......... GC
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grundy is a young man playing against boys in those highlights though
You seen the size of Viney, Wines, Vlastuin etc.?
They aint boys.
But i take your point. He is pretty physically developed. Not sure if this is a bad thing though.
when you see a ruckman with a beard destroying skinny boys
:outtahere
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We beat both gf sides.
No reason we cannot win flag year after next
Going into 2014
Foley 29
Imaric 28
Deledio 27
Jack/Morris.26
Cotchin 24/25
I'd.hope we would be knocking on the door.
The guy (Grundy)is a must if available.
Why?
We are NOT going to win the premiership next year or the year after most likely.
We need a young ruck who can develop into a top liner. From all reports and what I have seen he is pretty close to Kreuzer (before doing his knee!). Maric will only be good for another 3 to 4 years tops. Even in one or two he may get injured as we use him all the time which results in wear and tear. At least we will have a talented back up to support our mids.
It's important to have a good ruck as shown by getting rid of Graham. At the moment the only back ups are all spuds. Wood=spud, Big O=spud. The big Dx=unproven even at his age!
Very good rucks are very hard to find. Good Mids are much easier to find and they develop faster. That means we need to start earlier in finding a good ruck than a mid. Next years draft has many good mids. Even at choice thirty odd we could probably pick up a handy mid. You will be surprised who could slide that far. The absolute elite mids will be gone by 9 if Grundy slides to us.
And a good big man will always beat a good little man!
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grundy is a young man playing against boys in those highlights though
You seen the size of Viney, Wines, Vlastuin etc.?
They aint boys.
But i take your point. He is pretty physically developed. Not sure if this is a bad thing though.
not necessarily a bad thing, but when you see a ruckman with a beard destroying skinny boys you do need to take it into consideration when comparing highlights packages.
Grundy has played against men and looking at his tats seemed to take on more ruck duties towards the end of the year and won his share of hit outs.
didn't do a great deal around the ground, but then again marics stats were not that flattering until we recruited him.
I wouldnt be dissapointed if we drafted him, but the go home factor is a concern, particularily for someone who will still probably take time to have any real impact.
He also smashed Longer last year.
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But longer is a.lady boy.
Does.does he compare kruzer/nicnat?
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Have to pick Grundy if he slips to 9.
We'd be mad not to.
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Reg Grundy looks like a goer. Hope Melbourne lose their picks soon, pack of bastards.
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Reg Grundy looks like a goer. Hope Melbourne lose their picks soon, pack of bastards.
I love your bitter hatred for other clubs, Hooter. :thumbsup
It makes me smile. :)
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Sam Landsberger from the Herald-Sun is doing a top 30 phantom draft tomorrow. He has Kristian Jaksch falling past us and Carlton. That would leave open who Brisbane will pick up. It won't be Grundy after drafting Billy Longer last year.
Brett Anderson on SEN tonight repeated we've been linked to Vlastuin for ages.
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Macrae sounds good.
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Vlastuin the Impaler :clapping
(http://i2.listal.com/image/4185404/600full-vlad-the-impaler.jpg)
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Reg Grundy looks like a goer. Hope Melbourne lose their picks soon, pack of bastards.
I love your bitter hatred for other clubs, Hooter. :thumbsup
It makes me smile. :)
We have to redirect the rage from our petty life grievances somewhere, they will do lol
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Sam Landsberger from the Herald-Sun is doing a top 30 phantom draft tomorrow. He has Kristian Jaksch falling past us and Carlton. That would leave open who Brisbane will pick up. It won't be Grundy after drafting Billy Longer last year.
Brett Anderson on SEN tonight repeated we've been linked to Vlastuin for ages.
Can play a bit too, just quietly :shh
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From BF:
"Jesse Lonergan in the mix at Richmond's first pick. Not saying it will happen, but he's in the mix."
"First pick definitely mentioned, again not saying its a sure thing just that he's being considered.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2012-afl-draft-rumors.980842/page-2#post-26421901
Brett Anderson said last night on SEN that we would most likely take Vlastuin even if Stringer and Grundy were available at our pick 9. He also said he had received some texts in the past few days saying that we may look at taking Kristian Jaksch.
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Emma Quayle in the Age today ...
Richmond
DRAFT DAY: Things are starting to come together for Richmond, and although teams don't necessarily follow a linear path to success, the Tigers are maturing nicely in most parts of the ground. There's nothing they desperately need, although their midfield numbers - as good as Cotchin, Deledio and Martin are, with Ellis to perhaps evolve into an onball prospect - could do with some boosting. They have been heavily linked to Northern Knights onballer Nick Vlastuin this year and it's easy to see why he would appeal: he's a competitor, one who puts his head over the ball, gets on with things and plays consistently well. He'd be a solid pick. Close-checking defender Aidan Corr is also in contention at No. 9, fellow backman Lachie Plowman would have to be considered should he somehow slip down the order, Jackson Macrae is a rough chance to still be around and so is key forward Kristian Jaksch.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/emma-quayles-clubbyclub-guide-to-the-2012-national-draft-20121116-29hnj.html#ixzz2CPEiLeux
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Hope Richmond takes Jesse Lonergan!
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Hope Richmond takes Jesse Lonergan!
At what pick Torch ? Surely not 9
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Here's the AFL site's profile of Jesse Lonergan
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/151091/default.aspx
And a whisper from BF:
"Was told yesterday that our interest is in three players and we were undecided. I'd imagine Vlastuin to be one, but as I said, the guy that told me said what was reported in the media wasn't totally accurate. We haven't decided yet.
If I had to take a guess I would say Garner is another and a tall the other. Rumours of Corr gathering momentum."
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2012-draft.959078/page-147#post-26426036
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Hope Richmond takes Jesse Lonergan!
At what pick Torch ? Surely not 9
Hope Pick 9 :) Doesn't seem Lonergan will fall to pick 32. This young man is everything Hardwick wants.
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Hope Richmond takes Jesse Lonergan!
At what pick Torch ? Surely not 9
Hope Pick 9 :) Doesn't seem Lonergan will fall to pick 32. This young man is everything Hardwick wants.
His combine numbers are very impressive and so are his match stats. If only we had 2 picks inside the top 15 :(
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Hope Richmond takes Jesse Lonergan!
At what pick Torch ? Surely not 9
Hope Pick 9 :) Doesn't seem Lonergan will fall to pick 32. This young man is everything Hardwick wants.
He's related to he Essen Don player..
I hope not
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Emma Quayle was asked on twitter about her mentioning Corr in her article today in the Age:
" think it'll be vlastuin, with corr a back up plan that won't need to be used "
" back up plan if Vlastuin isn't there i think. but he will be."
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Some non-Tiger whispers ...
"My colleague approached Neeld and after after a bit of friendly banter, asked him if we were going to take Wines at pick 4. She was told by Neeld that Wines is not rated in the best four players by us at the draft."
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/ollie-wines-todd-viney-herald-sun-article.979926/page-2#post-26411494
So Wines may slip down the draft order.
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No surprise there from me. I think he's a 10-20 prospect.
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why so tigs? why would you rate vlastuin higher?
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Wines seems slow to me. Vlastuin isnt overly quick but should have enough if he is to play as an inside midfielder.
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Wines seems slow to me. Vlastuin isnt overly quick but should have enough if he is to play as an inside midfielder.
this and his kicking. Tho I am warming to him a bit.
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If you want to read a summary from someone who isn't a fan of Vlastuin then read Quigley's mock draft on BF.
Full detailed mock draft here: http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/quigleys-2012-mock.980920/
Nick Vlastuin
DOB:19/4/94 Ht: 187 Wt: 86
Vlastuin is being talked up by some as a top 10 selection particularly to Richmond at 9. I don't agree with that ranking myself but Richmond do like to reach for this kind of player (eg Conca a couple of years ago). Vlastuin has a few nice things going for him but also a few inherent limitations which would see him fall to the mid 20s I think were he not the Vic Metro captain. Unfortunately a lot of teams share the bias toward Metro players and he will probably end up going higher than I think he deserves.
Okay first the good. Vlastuin provides a good physical presence no matter where he is playing on the park. He goes in hard and gets the ball and is not afraid to take a hit or two. He is a nice size and should develop into a powerful bodied player who can play the same way at AFL football. Despite lacking a yard of pace he moves through traffic well and to use a NFL term he identifies the seam and attacks it very nicely. He is not a big stepper but he swerves through traffic well enough and takes advantage of those who are not in a position to tackle him effectively. His ability to get through traffic is definitely a strength of his. The other big selling point for him is his leadership. He has captained at every level as far as I am aware and he leads both with actions and words. He was the guy doing the talking in the circle at the Champs and feedback from his coaches have been glowing on his leadership ability. He is also a player who does the team things that open the game up for others.
His kicking is also often talked up as a strength of his. Personally I think it is solid but not near the elite category. He is a right footer who can use his left but is a bit dubious with it. He needs to flatten his kicking out a bit as at the moment he has a bit too much loop. He has good penetration on his kicks and uses his long kicking about 80% of the time. Personally I do not really like his tendency to bomb long to a contest on most occasions. This might get him an effective kick in the stats line but it often does not do his team a lot of good. He needs to lower his eyes and start to pick out targets more in the short to intermediate range. Currently the hurt factor is not there on his kicks and if he starts to pick out targets more this should go up.
By hand he is often more damaging than by foot. He is probably the best exponent of the long handball in this draft and I watched him bring out a 30m ripper at the Champs to hit the man in stride and put him away. In contested situations he has shown nice quick hands and hits the receiver with a chance to use it. With the ball on the ground his hands are soft and he gathers or controls the ball nicely. In defence the ability to collect cleanly and go is an underrated skill and is something I am sure coaches would be interested in. At the back Vlastuin does nicely getting back and cleaning up messes.
Above his head his hands are a bit above average but probably not a lot more than that. His hands often look better than that because he has superior ability to judge the ball in the air and he works well into position to mark the ball. He drifts in front of contests and does not mind flying for the ball if it is warranted. When he flies he controls his body nicely and gives himself every chance to mark the ball. His hands are pretty soft but he does spill his share of marks many of which you would expect him to take.
Athletically is where a lot of the concerns are. Although he does gut run pretty well his tank seems pretty poor for a midfield prospect and given his experience and time in elite programs including the AIS I am inclined to think it always would be relative to other AFL players. He will get better for sure with focus on the problem but I would suggest he would have endurance levels below average and when we are likely moving into an era with capped interchanges that has to be considered. The other issue for him is pace. Although he does do some things nicely at pace he has a pretty low top end speed and looked slow compared to a few forwards he played against at the Champs like Mason Wood for one.
So where will he go? Take a step back and consider that we are dealing with a player who is athletically challenged and played predominately as a small defender at the Champs. When he went into the middle he did so to tag an opposition player as far as I could see and did not have the endurance to play there for extended periods. Then consider where you are going to play him next year. At the moment he does not have the endurance to play in the midfield at AFL level and small forwards are likely to beat him pretty easily for pace at the back. For those issues alone there should be no way he would be considered a top 10 pick.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/quigleys-2012-mock.980920/
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Wines seems slow to me. Vlastuin isnt overly quick but should have enough if he is to play as an inside midfielder.
this and his kicking. Tho I am warming to him a bit.
cheers fellas
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I hope we pick a kid with lots of X factor. We must back our development team to make them more consistent or more accountable. These are the two main reasons why these types may slide. Players like Simpson and Garlett. Our side is starting to look one dimensional with all these safe picks.
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Emma Quayle has Vlastuin 15th in her top 25 pick of the draft crop. She once again also mentions Aidan Corr as a possible choice at our first pick also [on twitter she says only if Vlastuin has gone before our pick].
1. Daniher
2. Whitfield
3. Menzel
4. Toumpas
5. O'Rourke
6. Plowman
7. Viney
8. Wines
9. Stringer
10. Grundy
11. Macrae
12. Kennedy
13. Simpson
14. Mayes
15. NICK VLASTUIN
(Northern Knights. 18, 187cm, 86kg)
Vlastuin is a soldier: he puts his head down, doesn't worry about anything but what's in front of him and loves to sit other players on their backsides and get dirty. He's still developing the tank to run as a full-time onballer but that should happen once he goes full-time. There isn't much space between "Tigger's" best footy and quiet games. He generally just plays well.
Who will pick him? Richmond, is the word. The Tigers have been linked to Vlastuin for quite some time. There's plenty of clubs looking for midfielders after that; Carlton would consider him at 11, and Geelong is also interested.
16. Garner
17. Wood
18. Jaksch
19. Wright
20. Lonergan
21. Hrovat
22. O'Brien
23. AIDAN CORR
(Northern Knights. 18, 195cm, 86kg)
Corr was held back at times by injury too this year, but is another solid competitor who sticks to his man. While he doesn't win heaps of the ball, he makes sure that his opponents don't either. Can also clunk a mark playing forward.
Who will pick him? He's an option for Richmond at nine, Gold Coast at 13, and GWS at 12 or 14. From there could go anywhere in the teens to the early 20s.
24. Clurey
25. Membrey
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/the-pick-of-the-crop-20121117-29jct.html#ixzz2CUaJWSA6
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Here's Reg Grundy's write up from Ms Quayle. Starting to hope we pick Reg at 9 then go best available mids with our two picks in the 30s
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/the-pick-of-the-crop-20121117-29jct.html#ixzz2CWTzhg8t
I'm worried I have Grundy a bit low. He's the best ruckman around, by a long way, and has qualities you can't teach: an aggressive attitude and a want to always compete. Off the ground he's a smart, left field thinker who likes to ponder life's many mysteries. On it, he plays like a big guy: he's imposing, he directs play from the ruck and he throws himself around.
Who will pick him? Grundy could become a Port Adelaide player at pick seven; if he doesn't, he could slide a bit. He would be a bargain for GWS at 14 if even the Giants overlooked him, he would surely appeal to North Melbourne, Geelong or the Dockers.
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We need a player who can play midfield straight away.
I am not overally excited about Vlastuin compared to Lonergan, Stringer or Corr.
Need someone with pace and hardness.
Though Stringer can play as a tall midfielder and is a bull.
Corr is probably the best stopping defender. (ala Dale Morris)
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Rohan Connolly on SEN mentioned Plowman or Vlastuin going to us based on what Quayle has said. He reckons many of the mids in this draft are much alike. Rohan said Vlastuin would be a good pick up for us as we already have the cream at the top in our midfield but need to add to our midfield depth.
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I hope we pick a kid with lots of X factor. We must back our development team to make them more consistent or more accountable. These are the two main reasons why these types may slide. Players like Simpson and Garlett. Our side is starting to look one dimensional with all these safe picks.
Wow the good old X factor haven't heard that term bandied around that much lately, unfortunately I link that term to JON. Takes a lot of balls to gamble a top ten pick on X factor.
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I hope we pick a kid with lots of X factor. We must back our development team to make them more consistent or more accountable. These are the two main reasons why these types may slide. Players like Simpson and Garlett. Our side is starting to look one dimensional with all these safe picks.
Wow the good old X factor haven't heard that term bandied around that much lately, unfortunately I link that term to JON. Takes a lot of balls to gamble a top ten pick on X factor.
Jon had NO FACTOR!!!!!
Unfair comparison. Guys like Kennedy, Simpson and Garlett are streets ahead of him.
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I hope we pick a kid with lots of X factor. We must back our development team to make them more consistent or more accountable. These are the two main reasons why these types may slide. Players like Simpson and Garlett. Our side is starting to look one dimensional with all these safe picks.
Wow the good old X factor haven't heard that term bandied around that much lately, unfortunately I link that term to JON. Takes a lot of balls to gamble a top ten pick on X factor.
Jon had NO FACTOR!!!!!
Unfair comparison. Guys like Kennedy, Simpson and Garlett are streets ahead of him.
X factor pfft. Didn't you see his highlights tape? Apparently was Hird/Buckley/Voss/Rioli like in that vid. All class with excess factor x 100.
Why else would jacko pick him at number 8? ;D
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The pre-draft profiles of JON did mention X-factor :huh3. Maybe the 'X' was short from cross off your list. I still remember us at training asking Wallace in 2006 why did we draft JON with pick 8. He replied "wait 4 years for him to come good" which then us scratching our heads as why would you draft a project player with a top 10 pick. Top 10 picks should have few deficiencies and be virtually ready to play senior footy from their first year.
Anyway back onto to this draft - I'm wary of drafting anyone from Div. 2 U18s with a top 10 pick. I know we drafted Jack with pick 13 from Tassie back in 2006 but he was at least mentioned as a potential top 10 pick throughout his year in the U18s. Lonergan seems to have only been mentioned as a potential first rounder in the past few weeks. I'm probably also judging him harshly as if he's anything like his uncle Sam ;D then it's a definite pass.
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The pre-draft profiles of JON did mention X-factor :huh3. Maybe the 'X' was short from cross off your list. I still remember us at training asking Wallace in 2006 why did we draft JON with pick 8. He replied "wait 4 years for him to come good" which then us scratching our heads as why would you draft a project player with a top 10 pick. Top 10 picks should have few deficiencies and be virtually ready to play senior footy from their first year.
Anyway back onto to this draft - I'm wary of drafting anyone from Div. 2 U18s with a top 10 pick. I know we drafted Jack with pick 13 from Tassie back in 2006 but he was at least mentioned as a potential top 10 pick throughout his year in the U18s. Lonergan seems to have only been mentioned as a potential first rounder in the past few weeks. I'm probably also judging him harshly as if he's anything like his uncle Sam ;D then it's a definite pass.
Lonergan seems to have a lot of our supporters on side. I am passing. He came of a knee injury to play 3 games in the championships against the likes of NSW and Qu and NT and got the ball about 15 times a game. I also note that he doesnt seem to kick with his left boot always trying to get back on to his right shoe. I hope the kids a star - especially if he comes to us, but right now there's noway he is a selection 9 in this draft.
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Ever since the 04.(deledio draft I have taken a keen interest in the draft. I can confirm the 05 draft we were.expected to take burn of Clark. (Based.on phantom drafts)
No one,.or at least very few expected Richmond to take Jon. I don't remebertanuine who had.him top.40. Right royal left.wing royal.deck up of a.selection.
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Bloody hell Bents, run spell check or don't drink and post or don't post with your iphone or lay off the crack pipe - whichever it is causing that tangled mess of characters and symbols. :o
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:lol
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iPhone or mangled. Or both :laugh:
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Someone go delete the cookies on his computer and we'll see how long it takes him to type in his password.
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Thank god I'm not the only one who thought Bent's post required an enigma code machine to decypher. "Burn of Clark" sounds like a horse about to run the straight 6 at Flemington. :lol
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The pre-draft profiles of JON did mention X-factor :huh3. Maybe the 'X' was short from cross off your list. I still remember us at training asking Wallace in 2006 why did we draft JON with pick 8. He replied "wait 4 years for him to come good" which then us scratching our heads as why would you draft a project player with a top 10 pick. Top 10 picks should have few deficiencies and be virtually ready to play senior footy from their first year.
Anyway back onto to this draft - I'm wary of drafting anyone from Div. 2 U18s with a top 10 pick. I know we drafted Jack with pick 13 from Tassie back in 2006 but he was at least mentioned as a potential top 10 pick throughout his year in the U18s. Lonergan seems to have only been mentioned as a potential first rounder in the past few weeks. I'm probably also judging him harshly as if he's anything like his uncle Sam ;D then it's a definite pass.
Lonergan seems to have a lot of our supporters on side. I am passing. He came of a knee injury to play 3 games in the championships against the likes of NSW and Qu and NT and got the ball about 15 times a game. I also note that he doesnt seem to kick with his left boot always trying to get back on to his right shoe. I hope the kids a star - especially if he comes to us, but right now there's noway he is a selection 9 in this draft.
Word is we are hoping that Lonergan may slip to 32 (a bit like Elton last year who was rated in the media as being between our 1st and 2nd pick but he slipped down to our second pick). I still have the feeling we are already locked in into who we want at pick 9 and that will only change if a club ahead of us pulls a big surprise and selects who we wanted before us. That's been our draft history under FJ.
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The pre-draft profiles of JON did mention X-factor :huh3. Maybe the 'X' was short from cross off your list. I still remember us at training asking Wallace in 2006 why did we draft JON with pick 8. He replied "wait 4 years for him to come good" which then us scratching our heads as why would you draft a project player with a top 10 pick. Top 10 picks should have few deficiencies and be virtually ready to play senior footy from their first year.
Anyway back onto to this draft - I'm wary of drafting anyone from Div. 2 U18s with a top 10 pick. I know we drafted Jack with pick 13 from Tassie back in 2006 but he was at least mentioned as a potential top 10 pick throughout his year in the U18s. Lonergan seems to have only been mentioned as a potential first rounder in the past few weeks. I'm probably also judging him harshly as if he's anything like his uncle Sam ;D then it's a definite pass.
Lonergan seems to have a lot of our supporters on side. I am passing. He came of a knee injury to play 3 games in the championships against the likes of NSW and Qu and NT and got the ball about 15 times a game. I also note that he doesnt seem to kick with his left boot always trying to get back on to his right shoe. I hope the kids a star - especially if he comes to us, but right now there's noway he is a selection 9 in this draft.
Word is we are hoping that Lonergan may slip to 32 (a bit like Elton last year who was rated in the media as being between our 1st and 2nd pick but he slipped down to our second pick). I still have the feeling we are already locked in into who we want at pick 9 and that will only change if a club ahead of us pulls a big surprise and selects who we wanted before us. That's been our draft history under FJ.
Welcome Nick Vlastuin :clapping :P
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From twitter:
@DouglasJarrod - "mail is tigers to take vlastuin at 9 is that close to the mark. Gee I like him he's a hard nut"
@TFoenander - "Spot on. Mail is they always liked him but wanted him to win more of the footy. Had 2 big games (30 and 29 poss) later in yr"
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Thrill of the game helps control Nick's hard edge
Emma Quayle
The Age
November 20, 2012
NICK Vlastuin had so much excess energy that he once broke $800 worth of glass in a single year. When he did something naughty his brother and sister used to go into ''time out'' rather than him, so they could get a break from their baby brother. When Vlastuin was 15 months old his mother nicknamed him Tigger, after Winnie the Pooh's bouncy buddy. It helped that he had red hair. ''Doesn't complain when he falls over or is pushed, just bounces up again,'' she wrote at the time. ''Unfortunately, he expects others to do likewise.''
Vlastuin is more subdued these days, around home at least. When he was made captain of the Vic Metro team this year he tried to be the sort of leader who spoke through his actions, and hoped he wasn't asked to make too many speeches. But as a kid he was so hard to control his mother, Cecily, became worried.
After Vlastuin bashed a stick against a door made of safety glass so many times that he smashed it, she went to see a paediatrician, wondering what to do. His suggestion: take the kid to Auskick.
That all happened when Vlastuin was four. Fourteen years later the football field is still where he channels his energy, where he still likes to run around, get dirty and push people over. ''I always liked the competitive side of the game, wrestling kids and roughing them up and getting roughed up,'' he said.
Cecily adds: ''He's been in training since he could walk, really. It's all he ever did, push people over.''
Still, football was not an obvious prescription. Vlastuin's parents grew up in New South Wales, his mother on a farm and his father Chris just north of the Hunter Valley after being born in Dutch New Guinea. Chris' parents moved to Australia after World War II, choosing it ahead of South America, Africa and Canada.
Nick's grandfather, Leedert, had fibbed about his age to get into the Dutch army and, after travelling to Indonesia for some adventure, was there when war broke out. He became caught up in it, surviving a prisoner-of-war camp at Changi and a labour camp at the Burma Railway when many of his good friends did not.
Back home in Holland, he and wife Bep struggled to settle, Bep having seen the war from the European side and Leedert from an Indonesian angle. It was something they never spoke about. The pair married by proxy so she could get into Indonesia, then spent a couple of years there, setting up a shop on water to do island hops but eventually losing a fortune after most of what they had was confiscated by the government and they were kicked out.
Almost the same thing happened in Australia, where they migrated despite speaking no English. Leedert helped an army mate establish a tobacco farm, building the house and the sheds. But he was double-crossed, inadvertently signing everything over to his friend, who took it all then turned the electricity off one Christmas Eve and kicked the family out of their home.
After losing everything for a second time, the Vlastuins moved to Taree on the Mid-North Coast where Leedert got a job at a parquetry flooring company, his adventuring done. He was a hard, tough man, qualities Cecily suspects may have continued on to Nick who, as a footballer, works relentlessly, is resilient and never wants to lose. Curiously, his brother, Tim, joined the army earlier this year. ''I took him to the gym before army training and killed him,'' said Nick, smiling. ''I'm hoping that won't change too quickly. We'll see.''
The Vlastuins found themselves in Melbourne's northern suburbs when Chris got a job transfer, and the game they knew nothing about gave their youngest child an outlet. Before long, the bigger kids wanted Nick in their team and since starting out he has been through the Eltham juniors to the Northern Knights and Metro. He was surprised when asked to be captain, and was almost immediately challenged, with the team unexpectedly dropping its first match to the Northern Territory.
''I had the week off after that game and was sitting home just thinking about it. Being the first captain to lose to a division two team wasn't a good feeling,'' he said.
''I didn't know what had happened and I was annoyed, having waited so long for the nationals, but we came back after that and won the championships, so it worked out all right. It was good. I think that in the long run it helped get me out of my comfort zone. The coaches would call on me a bit and ask me about the games, what we did well and that sort of stuff. It made me think a bit differently.''
Vlastuin is ready to join his new club on Thursday night. That's what happens when you start out so young. He finished school last year, having started when he was four and kept up with the older kids right until the end. For the past few months he has been working as a lifeguard at a local swimming centre, waiting to push people around some more. ''I love the contested side of the game, the contest, the stoppages and all the body-on-body stuff,'' he said. ''It's what I've always loved the most. I can't wait to see what it's like.''
(http://images.theage.com.au/2012/11/19/3808201/art_n_Vlastuin_2011-300x0.jpg)
Bring it on: Nick Vlastuin likes a challenge. Photo: Justin McManus
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/thrill-of-the-game-helps-control-nicks-hard-edge-20121119-29m6k.html#ixzz2CjevE5Q7
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There's two things I hate.
1. People that cannot respect other people's cultures.
2. The Dutch.
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Thank you Austinn Powers' father ;D
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From Emma Quayle's live chat today ....
Hi Emma, Great article on Vlastuin today. Do you think he is well and truly locked in at Richmond's pick? or are there a few they'll be considering until Thursday when they make the decision? Would they look at Mayes or Grundy if they slip?
Emma Quayle:
I would say he's fairly safe there. Talking to some people today and they think they could go for Grundy but seems to me they've been into Vlastuin for a long time.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/draft-countdown-join-a-live-blog-with-emma-quayle-20121120-29mxs.html#ixzz2CjV8D9Lw
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From twitter:
Brett Anderson @BrettAndersonIF
"I think Grundy isn't even in the question. Vlastuin or Jaksch. Curveball...what if Wines is there?!"
Kristian Pisano @KristianPisano
"I can't see why Jaksch would be in there. I had Wines sliding to Richmond in my Phantom."
Brett Anderson @BrettAndersonIF
"Just a whisper I heard...On Wines, I'm hearing this could happen."
Kristian Pisano @KristianPisano
"Well if GWS pass Toumpas, Melbourne take Toumpas, it's game on."
And the latest one just posted a couple of minutes ago ....
Brett Anderson @BrettAndersonIF
"Hundreds of phone calls later, here is how it stands: GWS set to take Whitfield, O'Rourke & Plowman in that order. Dees Toumpas. "
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whose the better midfield prospect Vlastuin or Wines? Both pretty hard at it and good size.
Have seen bugger all vision of any draftees this year so have nfi
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I'm presuming Wines is given he was seen as a potential top 4 pick TM. Like you though I haven't seen enough of these kids this year to judge.
More from Brett Anderson @BrettAndersonIF tonight:
"Not sold yet on Wines to dogs. Could be to Port or even slide to Bris/Rich/Carl "
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Wines would be sweet.
Or any of the top few expected picks
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Sam Landsberger @SamLandsberger twitter:
"A mountain of home-grown talent available, but Port will tonight meet a star Vic kid at his house. Most likely just as a back-up for pick 7. "
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Brett Anderson @BrettAndersonIF
"Hundreds of phone calls later, here is how it stands: GWS set to take Whitfield, O'Rourke & Plowman in that order. Dees Toumpas. "
The more talls taken before our pick the better. It'll mean a greater choice of quality mids at 9 although I still have the feeling we're locked into Vlastuin as our man.
Emma Quayle saying she doesn't think the Dogs will pick Menzel so maybe Wines will head to the kennel. Brett Anderson cryptically saying there could be one more surprise. Whispers of Simpson going at 6.
1. Whitfield ..... GWS
2. O'Rourke ..... GWS
3. Plowman ..... GWS
4. Toumpas ..... Melb
5. Wines ......... WB
6. Simpson ...... WB
7. Mayes ......... Port
8. Jaksch ........ Bris
9. Vlastuin ...... Rich
10. Daniher .... Ess
11. Macrae ..... Carl
12. Menzel ..... GWS
13. Corr ......... GC
14. Grundy ..... GWS
15. Garner ...... North
16. Stringer ..... Geel
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Dogs I think will take Macrae. Not surprised about Simpson. If a team is patient could get a very very good player. Had him in top 10 for awhile but not totally convinced on his ball-winning. Vlastuin could go to Port leaving us Wines.
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Dogs I think will take Macrae. Not surprised about Simpson. If a team is patient could get a very very good player. Had him in top 10 for awhile but not totally convinced on his ball-winning. Vlastuin could go to Port leaving us Wines.
I've heard whispers of Port selecting Vlastuin as well but after losing Jacobs I think Port will in the end stick with a home grown South Aussie to avoid any chance of another high draftee heading home to Victoria after a couple of years.
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DRAFT NEWS
The Herald Sun can reveal GWS will select devastating outside midfield stars Lachie Whitfield and Jono O'Rourke with its first two picks before calling the name of key defender Lachie Plowman at No.3.
It means Melbourne will land Adelaide's Jimmy Toumpas with pick 4.
Ollie Wines could quite easily be overlooked by the bulldogs who have a surplus of inside midfielders.
The dogs are firming to take Troy Menzel and Jakson MaCrae.
Port Adelaide have all but committed to Brody Grundy whilst Brisbane are still tossing up between Sam Mayes and Kristian Jaksch.
It means that the tigers could land the best inside midfielder of the draft with Wines looking likely to slip to Richmond in a dream result.
http://www.facebook.com/theafloffseason?ref=stream
Here's the AFL site's profile of Wines:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/151310/default.aspx
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I think I have mentioned it before, but word down here in Traralgon is that GWS want Membrey and he has apparently been told that he'll end up there.
Things could change I guess.
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Is there any chance of Wines falling to us ???
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I think I have mentioned it before, but word down here in Traralgon is that GWS want Membrey and he has apparently been told that he'll end up there.
Things could change I guess.
Membrey will be there with 12 and 14 (I think they are the other 2 first rounds GWS have).
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Is there any chance of Wines falling to us ???
Going by the above posts looks a possibility.
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Jaksch seems to be a really quality young tall. At about 195cm and a good weight mid 80's, I think he could be a very good. We really dont have a tall CHF at all. Vickery seems like someone who will play the ruck/fwd role but a true CHF is a real benefit IMHO. I prefer us to go tall with pick 9 and then take mids at 32, 34 and 43. Jaksch could be a really good pick if Brisbane dont take him.
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Jaksch seems to be a really quality young tall. At about 195cm and a good weight mid 80's, I think he could be a very good. We really dont have a tall CHF at all. Vickery seems like someone who will play the ruck/fwd role but a true CHF is a real benefit IMHO. I prefer us to go tall with pick 9 and then take mids at 32, 34 and 43. Jaksch could be a really good pick if Brisbane dont take him.
People seem to have forgot on about Todd Elton. Just because he only played the one game last year doesn't mean he's not going to play more down the track ;D I really rate this kid, he will play across the HF line and float through the Ruck, expect bigger things from him this season ;). I don't see why we would use pick 9 on a tall in exactly the same mould as one we allready have........
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I think I have mentioned it before, but word down here in Traralgon is that GWS want Membrey and he has apparently been told that he'll end up there.
Things could change I guess.
Membrey will be there with 12 and 14 (I think they are the other 2 first rounds GWS have).
Yeah, he definitely won't go 1, 2 or 3.
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Was super keen on Vlastuin, but reading Wines could slip? Man that gives me a chub.
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Was super keen on Vlastuin, but reading Wines could slip? Man that gives me a chub.
I would be happy with either. Vlastuin has better foot skills on both sides than Wines but wins is an awesome extractor of the ball, puts his body on the line in the same mold as Joel Selwood. If Wines is available I think the way he attacks the footy will get him over the line but in saying that the club may believe the Vlastuins disposal is more superior and go in that direction instead. Its gunna be a 50/50 call!!
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Jaksch seems to be a really quality young tall. At about 195cm and a good weight mid 80's, I think he could be a very good. We really dont have a tall CHF at all. Vickery seems like someone who will play the ruck/fwd role but a true CHF is a real benefit IMHO. I prefer us to go tall with pick 9 and then take mids at 32, 34 and 43. Jaksch could be a really good pick if Brisbane dont take him.
People seem to have forgot on about Todd Elton. Just because he only played the one game last year doesn't mean he's not going to play more down the track ;D I really rate this kid, he will play across the HF line and float through the Ruck, expect bigger things from him this season ;). I don't see why we would use pick 9 on a tall in exactly the same mould as one we allready have........
Havent forgotten Elton at all. I just believe that you can never have enough of this type of player. Jaksch can also play down back and at 195cm and 87kg he is exactly the right size for a KPP. If I had the choice of Jaksch, Wines, Vlastuin or Lonergan, I would pick Jaksch every time.
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Was super keen on Vlastuin, but reading Wines could slip? Man that gives me a chub.
I would be happy with either. Vlastuin has better foot skills on both sides than Wines but wins is an awesome extractor of the ball, puts his body on the line in the same mold as Joel Selwood. If Wines is available I think the way he attacks the footy will get him over the line but in saying that the club may believe the Vlastuins disposal is more superior and go in that direction instead. Its gunna be a 50/50 call!!
Vlastuin and Wines will be good players but Vlastuin was only going at 60% efficiency in the championships. For me thats not good enough for a top 10 pick. Wines is slow and is no way similar to Selwood in terms of speed etc.
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I beg to differ, Selwood is far from the fast and from what I have seen of Wines there would be little to no difference.
The thing with Wines is he rarely gets outside to show any pace, the kid is always in the thick of it and doesn't have any issue keeping up.........
Also if Vlastuin was kicking at 60% the wines mast have been at 40%......
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Jaksch seems to be a really quality young tall. At about 195cm and a good weight mid 80's, I think he could be a very good. We really dont have a tall CHF at all. Vickery seems like someone who will play the ruck/fwd role but a true CHF is a real benefit IMHO. I prefer us to go tall with pick 9 and then take mids at 32, 34 and 43. Jaksch could be a really good pick if Brisbane dont take him.
People seem to have forgot on about Todd Elton. Just because he only played the one game last year doesn't mean he's not going to play more down the track ;D I really rate this kid, he will play across the HF line and float through the Ruck, expect bigger things from him this season ;). I don't see why we would use pick 9 on a tall in exactly the same mould as one we allready have........
Havent forgotten Elton at all. I just believe that you can never have enough of this type of player. Jaksch can also play down back and at 195cm and 87kg he is exactly the right size for a KPP. If I had the choice of Jaksch, Wines, Vlastuin or Lonergan, I would pick Jaksch every time.
So your saying 197cm and 92kg isn't the right size for a KPP :huh :huh
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I think Jaksch plays taller if that makes sense. He is one of the best marks in the draft and a super accurate kick for goal - rarely misses!
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Don't need Jaksch, but I'd be wrapped if we managed to get Grundy.
Wines is a better option than Vlastuin, both will be good.
What's peoples thoughts on Menzel? Is he worth taking the risk on with pick 9, as there seems to be the growing possibility that he'll be there.
The other one I'd like to pick up is Stringer.
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Stringer is a FIGJAM. Having said that if he can back it up then he's our answer to passing up Pavlich so many years ago. Same type of player, same potential talent.
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Couldn't care less if he is a FIGJAM, Cotchin will get him in line :clapping
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Don't need Jaksch, but I'd be wrapped if we managed to get Grundy.
Wines is a better option than Vlastuin, both will be good.
What's peoples thoughts on Menzel? Is he worth taking the risk on with pick 9, as there seems to be the growing possibility that he'll be there.
The other one I'd like to pick up is Stringer.
You we do need a Jaksch type player. When you consider the injury concerns on Griffiths, Grimes, when you consider that Elton is just a kid as well, that Astbury needs to massively improve in the next 12 months, that McGuane was played up forward and that we still have Derrickx on our list then yeah I reckon we need a Jaksch type player.
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If wines gets to 9 then we must take him. The boys attitude, discipline, competitiveness and drive is probably close to the best in the draft. A ready made player, will make it 200+gamer
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Don't need Jaksch, but I'd be wrapped if we managed to get Grundy.
Wines is a better option than Vlastuin, both will be good.
What's peoples thoughts on Menzel? Is he worth taking the risk on with pick 9, as there seems to be the growing possibility that he'll be there.
The other one I'd like to pick up is Stringer.
You we do need a Jaksch type player. When you consider the injury concerns on Griffiths, Grimes, when you consider that Elton is just a kid as well, that Astbury needs to massively improve in the next 12 months, that McGuane was played up forward and that we still have Derrickx on our list then yeah I reckon we need a Jaksch type player.
Your just adding the exact type of player to the list of players you just gave. Jaksch is going to take time to develop as well. Grundy can impact round 1, I don't think Jaksch can necessarily, but hey, I could be wrong.
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Maybe there's now a late curveball with just over 24 hours to go?
From Brett Anderson:
"Big call between Wines/Vlastuin. Jaksch is one I keep hearing though."
"Just working on a little whisper i heard from an impeccable source."
"Jaksch would be drafted as a CHF. If it is a pick between him & Vlastuin, its a no brainer on talent. "
"Fair enough. As I said, Im going on a hunch. Tiges have questioned Vlas workrate when he doesnt have ball"
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I think I have mentioned it before, but word down here in Traralgon is that GWS want Membrey and he has apparently been told that he'll end up there.
Things could change I guess.
could be with pick 14
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Don't need Jaksch, but I'd be wrapped if we managed to get Grundy.
Wines is a better option than Vlastuin, both will be good.
What's peoples thoughts on Menzel? Is he worth taking the risk on with pick 9, as there seems to be the growing possibility that he'll be there.
The other one I'd like to pick up is Stringer.
You we do need a Jaksch type player. When you consider the injury concerns on Griffiths, Grimes, when you consider that Elton is just a kid as well, that Astbury needs to massively improve in the next 12 months, that McGuane was played up forward and that we still have Derrickx on our list then yeah I reckon we need a Jaksch type player.
Your just adding the exact type of player to the list of players you just gave.
Thats exactly the point, the list I gave is a list where we have some talent but doubts exist with every single player I named. Jaksch will help give us more options in the talls area and he is a very good young player and one who isnt a reach at 9. Im a big Grundy as well fan but think he will go to Port Adelaide. I will be absolutely delighted if we get either Jaksch or Grundy tomorrow night at pick nine.
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Emma Quayle will have her phantom draft in the Age tomorrow morning. She said tonight she doesn't believe Wines will get to pick 9.
So it now appears it's either Vlastuin if we want a mid or Jaksch if we go for a tall.
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Phantom Draft: Late mail
By Callum Twomey
7:35 PM Wed 21 Nov, 2012
Here is an updated prediction of this year's first 20 draft selections in Thursday night's draft on the Gold Coast:
1. GWS - Lachie Whitfield
2. GWS - Jonathan O'Rourke
3. GWS - Lachie Plowman
4. Melbourne - Jimmy Toumpas
5. Western Bulldogs - Jackson Macrae
6. Western Bulldogs - Jake Stringer
7. Port Adelaide - Sam Mayes
8. Brisbane Lions - Ollie Wines
9. Richmond - Nick Vlastuin
10. Essendon - Joe Daniher
11. Carlton - Troy Menzel
12. GWS - Kristian Jaksch
13. Gold Coast - Aidan Corr
14. GWS - Taylor Garner
15. North Melbourne - Mason Wood
16. Geelong - Brodie Grundy
17. Fremantle - Josh Simpson
18. Collingwood - Tim O'Brien
19. Collingwood - Ben Kennedy
20. Collingwood - Tom Clurey
http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=151468
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Struth if Menzel is available at pick 9 I'd take him. Incredible talent, can't see him slipping to pick 11
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Struth if Menzel is available at pick 9 I'd take him. Incredible talent, can't see him slipping to pick 11
Recruiters worried about those knees like his brothers.
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Brett Anderson - "Well I give up! Top 10 is still up in the air as new info emerges every hour. Time to put the cue in the rack & sit back to watch.
Here's his Phantom draft tonight:
1. Whitfield
2. O'Rourke
3. Plowman
4. Toumpas
5. Macrae
6. Stringer
7. Mayes
8. Jaksch
9. Vlastuin
10. Daniher
11. Wines
12. Menzel
13. Corr
14. Simpson
15. Grundy
16. Garner
17. O'Brien
18-20 Hrovat Membrey Clurey
21. Graham
22. Wood
23. Smith
24. Garlett
28. McBean
45. McIntosh
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2012-draft.959078/page-180#post-26464684
All roads lead to Vlastuin it seems again as has been the case for a long while now.
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Whispers about Port taking Wines at 7. Not confirmed though.
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Tigerbob on BF in the last hour:
There will be some shocks tomorrow night. Think Bulldogs and Port sway the draft in a new direction. Last hearing is Richmond may have gone cold on Vlastuin. Nothing is sure.
Grundy getting to North or Collingwood is remarkable. Garlett a late round pick the same. In a draft where top end talent is not as high as some other years, these two represent high end talent misplaced in the bargain bin.
Stringer to Bulldogs along with Macrae letting Menzel slip. I just can't work it out what clubs think.
Amazingly clubs picking at around Pick 20 may get better talent than those at Pick 5.
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Wines and Menzel names being dropped but to be totally honest, no one has any idea. This draft has gone bonkers. So even that shocks will cause rethinks as the draft flows through.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2012-draft.959078/page-181#post-26466104
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This 'Tigerbob' guy again? His mail was wrong on Tyson. Just a mug punter like anyone else.
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This 'Tigerbob' guy again? His mail was wrong on Tyson. Just a mug punter like anyone else.
:thumbsup
Was talking up Adam Thomson years ago. Should have handed in his badge after that effort.
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Wouldn't be surprised at all if FJ pulls one out of left field and doesn't select Vlastuin. Maybe in talking him up by saying we will select him, we are encouraging those before us to select him letting other talent slip through.
This is all doing my head in....... :rollin :help :banghead
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*excited*
DRAFT NEWS
The Herald Sun can reveal GWS will select devastating outside midfield stars Lachie Whitfield and Jono O'Rourke with its first two picks before calling the name of key defender Lachie Plowman at No.3.
It means Melbourne will land Adelaide's Jimmy Toumpas with pick 4.
Ollie Wines could quite easily be overlooked by the bulldogs who have a surplus of inside midfielders.
The dogs are firming to take Troy Menzel and Jakson MaCrae.
Port Adelaide have all but committed to Brody Grundy whilst Brisbane are still tossing up between Sam Mayes and Kristian Jaksch.
It means that the tigers could land the best inside midfielder of the draft with Wines looking likely to slip to Richmond in a dream result.
http://www.facebook.com/theafloffseason?ref=stream
Here's the AFL site's profile of Wines:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/151310/default.aspx
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Jaksch seems to be a really quality young tall. At about 195cm and a good weight mid 80's, I think he could be a very good. We really dont have a tall CHF at all. Vickery seems like someone who will play the ruck/fwd role but a true CHF is a real benefit IMHO. I prefer us to go tall with pick 9 and then take mids at 32, 34 and 43. Jaksch could be a really good pick if Brisbane dont take him.
People seem to have forgot on about Todd Elton. Just because he only played the one game last year doesn't mean he's not going to play more down the track ;D I really rate this kid, he will play across the HF line and float through the Ruck, expect bigger things from him this season ;). I don't see why we would use pick 9 on a tall in exactly the same mould as one we allready have........
How would Elton fit in if if everyone's fit?
(Astbury too)
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If wines gets to 9 then we must take him. The boys attitude, discipline, competitiveness and drive is probably close to the best in the draft. A ready made player, will make it 200+gamer
Wines
Ellis
Conca
Martin
Cotchin
Deledio
Foley
Tuck
Grigg
Boom boom
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All major media outlets (Hun, Age and Inside Football) now have Vlastuin at pick 9 to us.
The first 5 picks seem set in stone now - Whitfield, O'Rourke, Plowman, Toumpas and Macrae - with Wines expected to go to Port at 7. So that leaves only the Dogs' second pick (#6) and Brisbane's pick as not certain.
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Grundy> Looks good however picking up 18 yo ruckmen is not a good option, they take too long to mature, RFC loses patience and off they go, I would be inclined to try to get an established ruckman like Jonathon Griffin who is a gun but not getting a go at Freo, chuck some big $ and see what happens.
The established ruckman theory has worked well with Ivan, why not try it again??
Vlastuin however is tough at it and ready to go. He is a little slow but hard in larger bodied blokes with the most fearless mindset are what we are lacking, I like it that Brett Kirk is his mentor so you know he is a serious leadership type...hopefully.
all will be revealed tonight
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Wines is a out and out gun if for some reason he dropped to 9 then i'd snap him up in a heart beat... we must be due for some luck in the draft.......
memories of richmond thinking buddy was snapped up still haunts me lets take tambling then :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
GO U TIGERS
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Wines is a out and out gun if for some reason he dropped to 9 then i'd snap him up in a heart beat... we must be due for some luck in the draft.......
memories of richmond thinking buddy was snapped up still haunts me lets take tambling then :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
GO U TIGERS
Looks the goods, if we get him I would be rapt!
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the buddy tambling thing only haunts because tambling was a bust.
If he had turned out to be a long term player it would barely get a mention.
To compare overlooking player such and such future star to that is suggesting whomever we pick will be a bust.
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Nothing against Vlastuin, he's a good kid with solid skills, but if Grundy, Menzel or Wines is there at pick 9 and they call out Vlastuin I'm going to lose my **** :banghead
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better organise the cleaners now then.
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This 'Tigerbob' guy again? His mail was wrong on Tyson. Just a mug punter like anyone else.
:thumbsup
Was talking up Adam Thomson years ago. Should have handed in his badge after that effort.
na hes pretty astute when it comes to the kids.
he used to be heavily involved in recruiting for brisbane. knows his stuff does bob.what contacts or role he has with our club im not sure hes likely just as much in the dark as the rest of us when it comes to what we may do.
ive had good debte with him and run ins as well.
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This 'Tigerbob' guy again? His mail was wrong on Tyson. Just a mug punter like anyone else.
:thumbsup
Was talking up Adam Thomson years ago. Should have handed in his badge after that effort.
na hes pretty astute when it comes to the kids.
he used to be heavily involved in recruiting for brisbane. knows his stuff does bob.what contacts or role he has with our club im not sure hes likely just as much in the dark as the rest of us when it comes to what we may do.
ive had good debte with him and run ins as well.
Claw, summarised version, who should we take at 9?
Your thoughts on the following: Grundy, Stringer, Menzel, Wines, Vlastuin and Corr.
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Read this from Snoop Dog and Knightmare on Bigfooty have good eye for talent..I want this kid.
Nick Vaustin
Northern Knights
187cm / 83kg / ‘93
I really like this kid and he will appeal to a club as a potential Luke Hodge type player. That might be a big call but he is a terrific player. He is very highly rated individual who was a standout at the AIS and is a real on field leader. Has played HB and midfield predominantly but I think he will start more in the back half. Very efficient dual sided player who is a great height, has great hands, and is very aggressive at the stoppages and contested ball. Just seems to make good decisions and he seems to always be in the play. He never seems overly flustered either, just has that ability to take his time. Seen a fair bit of him now and have always walked away thinking he will be a player. Locked in on him and he is unlikely to go higher. If not him I suspect Macrae.
#9 Richmond – Nick Vlastuin (VIC – Mid/Def)
Height: 187cm, Weight: 83kg, DOB: 19/04/1994
Recruited from: Northern Knights
Style: Michael Voss
Player comparison:
Range: 9-19
Profile: Midfielder who consistently wins the contested footy and just consistently goes harder than the next player. Big time clearance player. Skill level is exceptional, uses it well by both hand and foot and rarely makes mistakes. Particularly stands out by foot and has nice penetration. Has also been noted for leadership and really leads by example out on the field so there is a lot to like. Marking ability forward of centre very good for a midfielder. Consistently plays to a high level. Athletically only average and endurance still a work in progress and will need to improve before he develops into a full time midfielder. Tackles hard and willingly works both ways. Looks like a very low risk, solid pro who is worthy of a high draft position. Probably didn’t produce the numbers at the u18 champs that many expected but still a very desirable prospect and a guy you can play through the midfield or off a back flank tomorrow which will appeal to a number of clubs. One of those guys you’d love to have around the club.
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AFLphotos on twitter is promoting pics of Macrae, Membrey, Whitfield, Wines, Garner, Simpson, Kennedy and Stringer.
From twitter:
@mattyandnat - "any mail on the tigers is it only top 10 who go to the draft?"
Emma Quayle - "it's Nick Vlastuin "
@mattyandnat - "sound good just read he hadn't been invited to Gold Coast and lonergan had"
Emma Quayle - "nope he's coming up this morning"
Sam Landsberger (Herald-Sun) - "[Tigers are] All over Vlastuin at 9"
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# 9 Richmond
Nick Vlaustin
Read this from Snoop Dog on Bigfooty who has a good eye for talent..I want this kid.
Northern Knights
187cm / 83kg / ‘93
I really like this kid and he will appeal to a club as a potential Luke Hodge type player.
Yeah but a genuine Like Hodge type will be well and truly gone by pick 9 :P
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This 'Tigerbob' guy again? His mail was wrong on Tyson. Just a mug punter like anyone else.
:thumbsup
Was talking up Adam Thomson years ago. Should have handed in his badge after that effort.
na hes pretty astute when it comes to the kids.
he used to be heavily involved in recruiting for brisbane. knows his stuff does bob.what contacts or role he has with our club im not sure hes likely just as much in the dark as the rest of us when it comes to what we may do.
ive had good debte with him and run ins as well.
He's not with Richmond but still involved. Providing some great insight actually.
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What's his real name? Are you sure he's not pulling a Tony FreeY&BGate on you?
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What's his real name? Are you sure he's not pulling a Tony FreeY&BGate on you?
Y&B is Tony Free?
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No. Posts there though
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tigger at tigerland :cheers
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No. Posts there though
Oh I forgot that was a forum. Carry on people
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tigger at tigerland :cheers
Pretty much certain now. An early welcome to Tigerland, Tigger :cheers.
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No. Posts there though
Oh I forgot that was a forum. Carry on people
:lol
Y&B the poster is a good man. Y&B the website...
tigger at tigerland :cheers
Pretty much certain now. An early welcome to Tigerland, Tigger :cheers.
Who the hell is Tigger? Tiga?
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tigger at tigerland :cheers
Pretty much certain now. An early welcome to Tigerland, Tigger :cheers.
What if Poort take him
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Who the hell is Tigger? Tiga?
Vlastuin Coach
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Brett Anderson saying Emma Quayle's first 13 of her phantom draft are spot on (locked in effectively).
1. Whitfield
2. O'Rourke
3. Plowman
4. Toumpas
5. Macrae
6. Stringer
7. Wines
8. Mayes
9. Vlastuin
10. Daniher
11. Menzel
12. Corr
13. Lonergan
So Grundy and Jaksch to slide to later in the first round.
Emma Quayle: "clubs reluctant to use their first pick on a ruck when they can trade for them/draft them later on etc"
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So we're getting another HBF :clapping :lol :help
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Came on to get an 'inb4 why did we draft such and such :banghead ;_;' but it appears I was too slow :banghead :banghead
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Doesn't look like we went cold on Vlastuin. :rollin
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tick.
welcome tigger.
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This 'Tigerbob' guy again? His mail was wrong on Tyson. Just a mug punter like anyone else.
:thumbsup
TB needs a spell