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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Hard Roar Tiger on September 05, 2016, 07:36:24 AM
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MMM reporting an announcement at 11am this morning with 2 ex-tiger premiership players involved...
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Also being reported in this mornings Hun...
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond/richmond-board-spill-prominent-members-premiership-players-call-for-challenge/news-story/82cb5d435941e884a828f86fdd4dcfc5
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From the AFL website
Group calls for spill of Richmond board
Dinny Navaratnam and Nathan Schmook
September 5, 2016 6:58 AM
TWO RICHMOND premiership players are among a group seeking a spill of the Tigers board.
The identity of the players is being kept under wraps until a media conference at 11am AEST on Monday.
"A new group of prominent Richmond Football Club identities, including two premiership players, is calling for a spill of the RFC board, declaring it's high time the focus of the club returns to its core business – winning football and contesting premierships," a statement released by the group said.
Richmond missed the finals this season for the first time since 2012, finishing 13th with eight wins.
The Tigers last won a premiership in 1980, and have not won a final since 2001.
Murmurings of a board challenge emerged early last month as a prominent group of supporters began meeting to discuss who would step forward to nominate for positions.
President Peggy O'Neal joined the board in November 2005 and was elected president in 2013.
Board members Maurice O’Shannassy (elected December 2004), John Matthies (January 2004), and Robert Dalton (November 2004) have all served for extended periods.
Matthies and lawyer Kerry Ryan, who joined the board in October 2013, are up for re-election, along with O'Neal.
In the event they were unchallenged, they would be re-elected for a further three years.
Corporate lawyer Simon Wallace, 42, has put himself forward as a candidate but has strongly opposed overthrowing the entire board.
Coach Damien Hardwick is signed up until the end of 2018 after agreeing to a contract extension before the season began.
Several players are expected to depart in the trade period, including former first-round draft picks Tyrone Vickery, Reece Conca and Ben Lennon.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-09-05/group-calls-for-spill-of-richmond-afl-board
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Further while driving into work
On SEN
* Press conference at 11am at Leo Barry's Gym in Richmond
* Have hired one of Melb's top PR companies to run their campaign = Royce Communications
* a caller "Charlie" said Bruce Monteath is one of the former premiership players on the ticket (ED: he was agitating for a position 2 years ago), platform includes "payout Hardwick's contract as they have plenty of money"
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Giddy up. The board have had their go but failed so can how drift off into the sunset. Give someone else a go. Time to get ruthless.
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Further while driving into work
On SEN
* Press conference at 11am at Leo Barry's Gym in Richmond
* Have hired one of Melb's top PR companies to run their campaign = Royce Communications
* a caller "Charlie" said Bruce Monteath is one of the former premiership players on the ticket (ED: he was agitating for a position 2 years ago), platform includes "payout Hardwick's contract as they have plenty of money"
Anyone with that platform has my vote.
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Giddy up. The board have had their go but failed so can how drift off into the sunset. Give someone else a go. Time to get ruthless.
Harry,
More than happy for it go to a vote, actually encourage it but it must be done the right way & that is as per the constitution and that the members get to chose.
There must be a VOTE. A member's VOTE
Anything less is a joke and makes the mystery ticket just as bad as the incumbents IMESHO
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Breaking news that Ranps and Tucker joining ticket and calling themselves the plop, plop stoppers of the skata cycle
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Ha ha brilliant. Peggy Sue and Benny Fail will have no choice but to pee off Dudwick now to save their own skins. If they refuse the challengers will pee this in. :wave bye bye Dudwick
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Giddy up. The board have had their go but failed so can how drift off into the sunset. Give someone else a go. Time to get ruthless.
Harry,
More than happy for it go to a vote, actually encourage it but it must be done the right way & that is as per the constitution and that the members get to chose.
There must be a VOTE. A member's VOTE
Anything less is a joke and makes the mystery ticket just as bad as the incumbents IMESHO
That's what they want. A board spill and for members to vote. Best outcome. If current board dig their heels in it'll go to egm.
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dont let the door hit u on your way out dudwick and you silly american fool.
Now bring in some real men to do the job , both in the sack and Punt Road.
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About time
Don't care how it happens , when it happens
Just has to happen
😊
And good to see a joint effort is better than several groups
Shut the door on the way out Dimma and Benny
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Will wait until 11am
But just heard another name of a so called "influential" Richmond supporter who maybe involved in this mystery ticket :chuck
dont let the door hit u on your way out dudwick and you silly american fool.
Now bring in some real men to do the job , both in the sack and Punt Road.
So am I fair to assume that if there are any women on the alternative ticket you wont be voting for them? Seeing you've made it abundantly clear that the only people who should on the boards of footy clubs are men
That's what they want. A board spill and for members to vote. Best outcome. If current board dig their heels in it'll go to egm.
If it's a proper election with no behind closed doors deals, all for it.
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Giddy up. The board have had their go but failed so can how drift off into the sunset. Give someone else a go. Time to get ruthless.
Harry,
More than happy for it go to a vote, actually encourage it but it must be done the right way & that is as per the constitution and that the members get to chose.
There must be a VOTE. A member's VOTE
Anything less is a joke and makes the mystery ticket just as bad as the incumbents IMESHO
I respect your view William but I personally could not go another year with these clowns. How their removal is achieved is a distant concern.
No matter what happens, Hardwick has to go. The fact that this hasn't happened already is a disgrace. His game plan makes it worse. It shows a complete disregard to the fans. The unqualified support by the board for someone who hasn't won a final is ridiculous. You could make an argument that there has not been a more complacent or dishonest board in the history of the football club. The rebuild was not what was promised.
Any board would be better than the incumbents. It is because the current board is so bad that tiger supporters are rebelling.
The new board would have to inflict hell on Richmond supporters for a long period of time to be remotely as bad as the current board.
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Giddy up. The board have had their go but failed so can how drift off into the sunset. Give someone else a go. Time to get ruthless.
Harry,
More than happy for it go to a vote, actually encourage it but it must be done the right way & that is as per the constitution and that the members get to chose.
There must be a VOTE. A member's VOTE
Anything less is a joke and makes the mystery ticket just as bad as the incumbents IMESHO
I respect your view William but I personally could not go another year with these clowns. How their removal is achieved is a distant concern.
No matter what happens, Hardwick has to go. The fact that this hasn't happened already is a disgrace. His game plan makes it worse. It shows a complete disregard to the fans. The unqualified support by the board for someone who hasn't won a final is ridiculous. You could make an argument that there has not been a more complacent or dishonest board in the history of the football club. The rebuild was not what was promised.
Any board would be better than the incumbents. It is because the current board is so bad that tiger supporters are rebelling.
The new board would have to inflict hell on Richmond supporters for a long period of time to be remotely as bad as the current board.
I would give the ferals about half a year before they started harking up
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This is all well and good, but frankly, I want to see what the alternatives are and how they are better including after we sack Benny, Damien the Board etc...
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This is all well and good, but frankly, I want to see what the alternatives are and how they are better including after we sack Benny, Damien the Board etc...
Apparently Owl we will be winning premierships, so all is good, nothing to worry about
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I knew if we just sacked everyone and descended into chaos everything would fall into place! You just have to believe!
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No one will be sacked that doesn't deserve to be sacked. The chicken littles can relax.
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Premierships here we come
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Giddy up. The board have had their go but failed so can how drift off into the sunset. Give someone else a go. Time to get ruthless.
Harry,
More than happy for it go to a vote, actually encourage it but it must be done the right way & that is as per the constitution and that the members get to chose.
There must be a VOTE. A member's VOTE
Anything less is a joke and makes the mystery ticket just as bad as the incumbents IMESHO
I respect your view William but I personally could not go another year with these clowns. How their removal is achieved is a distant concern.
No matter what happens, Hardwick has to go. The fact that this hasn't happened already is a disgrace. His game plan makes it worse. It shows a complete disregard to the fans. The unqualified support by the board for someone who hasn't won a final is ridiculous. You could make an argument that there has not been a more complacent or dishonest board in the history of the football club. The rebuild was not what was promised.
Any board would be better than the incumbents. It is because the current board is so bad that tiger supporters are rebelling.
The new board would have to inflict hell on Richmond supporters for a long period of time to be remotely as bad as the current board.
Agree
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Chicken Littles are the ones who wanna sack everyone after we tanked LOL
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Chicken Littles are the ones who wanna sack everyone after we tanked LOL
The sky is falling because there is a challenge to the board that has brought us so much success. What are we gonna do without Peg and Ben?
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Premierships here we come
Not sure why we would want to get rid of the board that has delivered so many premierships.
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Premierships by 2018 oh yeh baby
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What I would like to see is us not oscillate between extremes like a mad woman's 5hit. Stable to torch wielding mobs and back again. Bit of flare needs to come in at the footy side of things to get us on track. Coaching might need a gussy up, agreed, maybe the pressure this brings might move Damien on. I want to see who will come in though, when the poison chalice is freed up.
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Giddy up. The board have had their go but failed so can how drift off into the sunset. Give someone else a go. Time to get ruthless.
Harry,
More than happy for it go to a vote, actually encourage it but it must be done the right way & that is as per the constitution and that the members get to chose.
There must be a VOTE. A member's VOTE
Anything less is a joke and makes the mystery ticket just as bad as the incumbents IMESHO
I respect your view William but I personally could not go another year with these clowns. How their removal is achieved is a distant concern.
No matter what happens, Hardwick has to go. The fact that this hasn't happened already is a disgrace. His game plan makes it worse. It shows a complete disregard to the fans. The unqualified support by the board for someone who hasn't won a final is ridiculous. You could make an argument that there has not been a more complacent or dishonest board in the history of the football club. The rebuild was not what was promised.
Any board would be better than the incumbents. It is because the current board is so bad that tiger supporters are rebelling.
The new board would have to inflict hell on Richmond supporters for a long period of time to be remotely as bad as the current board.
Agreed.
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What I would like to see is us not oscillate between extremes like a mad woman's 5hit. Stable to torch wielding mobs and back again. Bit of flare needs to come in at the footy side of things to get us on track. Coaching might need a gussy up, agreed, maybe the pressure this brings might move Damien on. I want to see who will come in though, when the poison chalice is freed up.
Cmon Hooter. Stevie Wonder can see that we need a complete overhaul. A few new assistant coaches will not do.
This is a good thing.
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Will wait until 11am
But just heard another name of a so called "influential" Richmond supporter who maybe involved in this mystery ticket :chuck
dont let the door hit u on your way out dudwick and you silly american fool.
Now bring in some real men to do the job , both in the sack and Punt Road.
So am I fair to assume that if there are any women on the alternative ticket you wont be voting for them? Seeing you've made it abundantly clear that the only people who should on the boards of footy clubs are men
That's what they want. A board spill and for members to vote. Best outcome. If current board dig their heels in it'll go to egm.
If it's a proper election with no behind closed doors deals, all for it.
is this female recommending that dimwits gets his contract extended? If so yeah she can get stuffed too.
i don't liked this peggy sue choice. She was a choice so we can be seen to be pioneers in gender equality rather than someone who actually knows what they are doing. She was also picked as some sort of circuit breaker. I mean give me a break no wonder the club is a shambles.
what is happening now is a direct result of FJ, Hartley Peggy sue gale and dimwits actions.
get rid of the these 5 stooges and we may be heading somewhere
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Well a fear confimred
Phil Allison is part of the ticket. He doesnt get my vote :banghead
The others I am open minded about but not him.
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Well a fear confimred
Phil Allison is part of the ticket. He doesnt get my vote :banghead
The others I am open minded about but not him.
so why dont you tell us why he doesnt get ur vote. Never heard of him personally
what line of business is he in?
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Alternative board says they wish to retain Hardwick, just give him more support. And retain Benny Gale.
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Claws out: ‘We are 35 years into a five-year plan’
Herald-Sun
5 Sept. 2016
The latest live news coverage and commentary from Australia's No. 1 media company. Stream 1
THE group pushing for a spill of Richmond’s board is proposing a tilt at seven board positions.
“Focus On Footy” is led by Melbourne cardiologist Dr Martin Hiscock and wants to fill the remaining two board positions with “the best credentialed members” at the club’s AGM later this year.
The ticket comprises premiership players Bruce Monteath and Bryan Wood, along with Philip Allison, Margaret (Mag) Kearney, former club medico Dr David Marsh OAM, Ingrid Williams and Hiscock.
The group is gathered at Leo Berry’s Gym in Richmond with the Tigers theme song blaring through loudspeakers.
“The Richmond Football Club sits at a 35-year crossroad,” Hiscock said.
“It either continues down the same path as the most unsuccessful club in the competition or it takes a different road to competing in and winning premierships.
“We are 35 years into a five-year plan. It’s got to stop here immediately.”
Hiscock called president Peggy O’Neal this morning, requesting that the entire club’s board stands down.
The group endeavours to achieve football success.
“Something has to change,” Hiscock said.
“We need a new direction, and a new culture and and from the top.
“This is the right vision for the club and it can only be achieved by a focus on football.
“Once installed, we will immediately appoint Bruce Monteath and Bryan Wood as the club’s football directors.”
It also proposes creating a new position at the club, to be known as the “Club CEO of Football”, to work closely with the football department and will target repsected football administrator and current Collingwood employee Neil Balme for the role.
It is also proposing nine-year terms for board members.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-board-spill-prominent-members-premiership-players-call-for-challenge/news-story/82cb5d435941e884a828f86fdd4dcfc5
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Monteath is 60, and Wood is 62. It's a massive hole in their alternative board personnel that they can't get a younger ex-footballer to oversee the football department. I've been thinking that Tony Free is too long out of the game, let alone blokes from our last flag.
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Alternative board says they wish to retain Hardwick, just give him more support. And retain Benny Gale.
And Dan Richo.
Lmao. The more things change the more they stay the same.
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If the board challenge doesn't have a plan post Hardwick the challenge won't last a week.
So Richmond. Lets challenge the board but not change anything.
For Gods sake.
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Don't like that they want to keep Dimma.
But if they overhaul recruiting and land us Neil Balme then it's a start.
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what is the website to vote???
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Honestly the muppets or play school could propose a ticket with 'Sack Dimma' and I'd sign.
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Honestly the muppets or play school could propose a ticket with 'Sack Dimma' and I'd sign.
Agree. Why the stuff would they say Hardwick is to remain? Lost all credibility there. Even the challengers make the easy look hard.
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The club is finished.
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Honestly the muppets or play school could propose a ticket with 'Sack Dimma' and I'd sign.
Agree. Why the stuff would they say Hardwick is to remain? Lost all credibility there. Even the challengers make the easy look hard.
I think you two need to head up your own ticket.
Invite Ox as well.
You can't lose.
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Seriously Phil ?
I might as well throw my hat in
Obviously Phils got money as he has nothing else
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This is all well and good, but frankly, I want to see what the alternatives are and how they are better including after we sack Benny, Damien the Board etc...
Apparently Owl we will be winning premierships, so all is good, nothing to worry about
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Pick a side and stay there.
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I am multifaceted. I like to see all the arguments so sometimes I have to argue against myself in order to get a balanced opinion around here.
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Seriously Phil ?
I might as well throw my hat in
Obviously Phils got money as he has nothing else
Exactly
Not the first time Phil has tired to get (buy) himself onto the board as you know Jack. Hence why I will not vote for him
Not the first time Bruce Monteath has teamed up with Phil to try and get on the board, go back to 2012 and you'll see what I mean. Bruce as agitating back then as well
Or in Phil's case the launch of the FTF...
So of 7 we have 2 former players in their 60's, 2 doctors, 2 ladies (who I will confess I know nothing about) and Phil
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Who is this phil dude? I wanna meet him. Got crazy hair.
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Well a fear confimred
Phil Allison is part of the ticket. He doesnt get my vote :banghead
The others I am open minded about but not him.
so why dont you tell us why he doesnt get ur vote. Never heard of him personally
what line of business is he in?
Are we going to get a reason WP? Or are you just going to continue to whine how much you don't like him without telling us why?
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Seriously Phil ?
I might as well throw my hat in
Obviously Phils got money as he has nothing else
Exactly
Not the first time Phil has tired to get (buy) himself onto the board as you know Jack. Hence why I will not vote for him
Not the first time Bruce Monteath has teamed up with Phil to try and get on the board, go back to 2012 and you'll see what I mean. Bruce as agitating back then as well
Or in Phil's case the launch of the FTF...
So of 7 we have 2 former players in their 60's, 2 doctors, 2 ladies (who I will confess I know nothing about) and Phil
Throws money into the coffers,been actively suggesting we need change at board level for years, whats the issue with this bloke?
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Didn't we use to have a Phil who posted here?
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Just went onto Google to search.
WP, Is this the same Allison as the Real Estate agent who is all over the net.
If so, would be in keeping with the usual board members.
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Doesn't matter who he is, he's there.
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Didn't we use to have a Phil who posted here?
Philip Allison used to post on here?
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Even their coups are half-arsed.
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Tigers are 35 years into a five-year-plan, say Richmond board challengers
Michael Gleeson
The Age
5 Sept. 2016
A group of Richmond supporters who are seeking a spill of the board want to keep coach Damien Hardwick but force him to change his game plan.
The Focus on Football ticket, led by cardiologist Martin Hiscock with former premiership players Bruce Monteath and Bryan Wood, also say they wanted to appoint Collingwood football manager and former Tigers premiership player Neil Balme to a chief executive of football role.
They have yet to speak to Balme about the position.
The group would also speak with former premiership player and veteran coach Michael Malthouse about the chief executive of football role, but Balme remained their priority.
They said they were keen for chief executive Brendon Gale to keep his job as well as football manager Dan Richardson who had two more years on his contract, but they wanted all but two of the existing board to go.
"We are 35 years into a five-year plan, people laugh at it but unfortunately it's true," Monteath said.
"How long is bad luck? From 1999 to the present day and we will name just four picks - we could probably name 20 - but just four picks who were top 10 picks and they were the next pick after (the one) Richmond had: one was Matthew Pavlich (Fremantle), one was Lance Franklin (Hawthorn/Sydney), one was Jordan Lewis (Hawthorn) and one was Dyson Heppell (Essendon)."
Hiscock added there had been four reviews in the past eight years and the current review was being undertaken by an accounting firm of which a Richmond board member was a partner and was therefore conflicted.
"The Richmond Football Club is in crisis. Never has a year promised so much yet delivered so little," Hiscock said.
He said the club's top five players - Trent Cotchin, Brett Deledio, Alex Rance, Dustin Martin and Jack Riewoldt – would not be traded under any circumstances.
"We would never get rid of our top players, our top A-list players. We have to recruit in a more savvy manner, a lot more savvy manner. There has to be a lot more spent on player development; that has been really lacking at the Tigers. Look at Conca, Vickery, Lennon, just delisted," Hiscock said.
He said the club's board was self-satisfied and continued to praise its own performance, but real success was what happened on the field and real change would only happen by "rolling the board".
"Richmond Football Club sits at a 35-year crossroad. It either continues down the same path as the most unsuccessful team in the competition or it takes a new road, one that sees it playing in and winning premierships," Hiscock said.
The group pointed out that when the Tigers finished on the bottom in 2004, Hawthorn had been second bottom. One club had made good recruiting decisions, the other club was Richmond.
"Why did it even contemplate a road to nowhere with mature age recruits - a knowingly flawed strategy that has left the Tigers with no depth in their list and left the club unable to regenerate while staying competitive?
"Recruiting has been a failure; the club has just delisted three relatively recent first-round draft picks (Conca, Lennon, Vickery) further confirmation that player development has been poor.
"There is inadequate assessment of players and staff. We want unity in the team and between the players and their coaches. We want the coaching game plan to change."
Hiscock said there was disunity between some players and the assistant coaches and queried the decision to offer a new one-year contract offer to (coaching assistant) Brendon Lade.
"It's been difficult keeping pace with all the mixed messages from Punt Road," Hiscock said.
"If football isn't taken a lot more seriously down there, it won't be top eight next year it will be bottom four."
He said the club believed the new CEO of football could work with Damien Hardwick – who remained contracted for two more years – to get the best out of him.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/richmond-board-challenge-were-35-years-into-a-fiveyearplan-says-focus-on-football-group-20160905-gr8xtl.html
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The group's website, focusonfooty.com.au, has published a proposed football management structure.
(http://www.theage.com.au/content/dam/images/g/r/8/u/q/7/image.related.articleLeadwide.620x349.gr8uuh.png/1473040722244.jpg)
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/richmond-board-challenge-group-pushes-for-spill-at-tigers-20160904-gr8q66.html
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Keep gale and Dan.
:lol
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That diagram for the new "Focus on Footy Board" is a bit dishonest.
Two new "Footy Directors" while we already have Free as one and a case can be made that Speed is an "Elite Sports Director". Edit: Dunne is now the second Footy Director.
The only real change is to insert a new CEO of Football above the current one and have all report to him.
I don't have a problem with that aside from the feeling that, yet again, we are looking for the Messiah to lead us out of the wilderness.
In this case Neil Balme.
If Balme is not interested then where do they sit?
Must say that I am pretty unimpressed with what I've heard already.
No change to off-field except motherhood statements.
Only change to on-field is to bring in the messiah.
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If the current board had a Head of football position would Hardwick have received a contract extension?
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when are these idiots going to realise there is no one person who is going to fix this poo.
Balme is great yes but what else is happening to francois and Hartley???????Along with hardwick the 3 who have really caused all of this.
How much extra are they going to pump into recruitment and development than the current imbeciles we have running the club.
How are they going to increase revenue once the members drop off as i expect therm too big time.
same old for me. Keep Dan and Dimwit. lol. I dont buy it. Talking poo i think.
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Seriously Phil ?
I might as well throw my hat in
Obviously Phils got money as he has nothing else
Exactly
Not the first time Phil has tired to get (buy) himself onto the board as you know Jack. Hence why I will not vote for him
Not the first time Bruce Monteath has teamed up with Phil to try and get on the board, go back to 2012 and you'll see what I mean. Bruce as agitating back then as well
Or in Phil's case the launch of the FTF...
So of 7 we have 2 former players in their 60's, 2 doctors, 2 ladies (who I will confess I know nothing about) and Phil
Seriously " Lucky Phil "
I have never laughed so much
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They want to make change on field but want to basically keep the same people. It doesn't work.
Get rid of Halfwit and FJ for a start and we might stand a chance for change.
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Inb4 nothing happens.
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What's the fascination with Neil Balme. Does everyone realise he is at Collingwood who havent made the finals in 5 years andyo could argue are no better off than we are at the moment!!
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Are we going to get a reason WP? Or are you just going to continue to whine how much you don't like him without telling us why?
Already have see previous post.
Just went onto Google to search.
WP, Is this the same Allison as the Real Estate agent who is all over the net.
If so, would be in keeping with the usual board members.
No. Phil Allison, of Auslab the former club sponsor
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Stop crying over spilt boards....
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Throws money into the coffers,been actively suggesting we need change at board level for years, whats the issue with this bloke?
Yes, the bloke who who has never bothered to stand but has tried a number of times to get on the board by "offering " to pay for things for a seat on the board. Eg buying a seat on the board
IIRC the last rime 2012, the auslab sponsorship disappeared when he didnt get his wish
Have you met him? Do you know him?
I can say yes on both counts and as a result he doesn't get my vote. Simple really
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I know Dr Hiscock.
Good cardiologist. Nice bloke.
Has botched this challenge by saying that he'll keep Hardwick. On field will seem no different to this year. Should have come out and said he'll sack all the coaches (bar Rutten) and recruiters (bar Luke Williams). This way he offers something different. Not sure what he's doing with this Phil bloke either.
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They want to make change on field but want to basically keep the same people. It doesn't work.
spot on BT
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Sheesh, what's his wifes maiden name ?
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Totally agree with most what's the point of a board spill when coach stays and rest of football department when they caused it.Only at Richmond we a the circus and clowns of the AFL.
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Are we going to get a reason WP? Or are you just going to continue to whine how much you don't like him without telling us why?
Already have see previous post.
No you didn't.
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how do we vote?
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Seriously Lucky Phil ::)
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Seriously Lucky Phil ::)
Lucky Phil goes to games. FACT!
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That's what they want. A board spill and for members to vote. Best outcome. If current board dig their heels in it'll go to egm.
Harry,
Just read some of the media reports, you point above is clearly incorrect
They want a spill but they don't want an election, they want a transition
Dr Hiscock, who would be Richmond president if the challenge is successful, said on Monday that they would force an extraordinary general meeting if a peaceful transition did not happen, with signatures from "many of the club's greats".
"Make no mistake, this challenge is the real deal. There is a fighting fury amongst us," Dr Hiscock said at a media conference at Leo Berry’s Gym in Richmond.
"The Richmond Football Club is in crisis. Never has a year promised so much yet delivered so little.
"Whilst the current board has seen fit to fire numerous staff members, it remains self-satisfied and continues to endorse its own performance.
"We are asking the Richmond Football Club board to stand down forthwith. Let's make this a seamless transition. Let's do it with dignity and let's avoid an EGM."
From: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-09-05/group-calls-for-spill-of-richmond-afl-board
So yet again under this plan we don't get a say or our voices heard :banghead :banghead
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Are we going to get a reason WP? Or are you just going to continue to whine how much you don't like him without telling us why?
Already have see previous post.
No you didn't.
yes I did
Here you go
Not the first time Phil has tired to get (buy) himself onto the board as you know Jack. Hence why I will not vote for him
Can I make it any clearer???
Throw in I have met him, know him and have seen him trying to do deals to get on the board first hand; then he doesn't get my vote.
Again can I make it any clearer???
But going by what this alternative are wanting; in their collective eyes we the members shouldn't get a say, they aren't prepared to face a vote
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how do we vote?
Currently there is no vote torch
And if the new ticket gets their way there will not be a vote
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Seriously Lucky Phil ::)
Lucky Phil goes to games. FACT!
Yeah he does
So what's your point?
That's enough of a reason for him become a director?
Question for you
Have you met him? Spoken to him?
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when are these idiots going to realise there is no one person who is going to fix this poo.
Surely if all the problems lay at the feet of one person, ie peggy, then wouldnt that mean that all the the solutions could be found by one person?
But, I do think the first thing we need to do is have the constitution changed so the president can not make all these decisions on their own, as peggy has been doing. It needs to be a majority of the board, not one person as we have been seeing, otherwise, what is even the point of having a board?
This is even more pertinent when that person is a woman and she can make all these decision on her own, ignoring what the men want.
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when are these idiots going to realise there is no one person who is going to fix this poo.
Surely if all the problems lay at the feet of one person, ie peggy, then wouldnt that mean that all the the solutions could be found by one person?
But, I do think the first thing we need to do is have the constitution changed so the president can not make all these decisions on their own, as peggy has been doing. It needs to be a majority of the board, not one person as we have been seeing, otherwise, what is even the point of having a board?
This is even more pertinent when that person is a woman and she can make all these decision on her own, ignoring what the men want.
:lol
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when are these idiots going to realise there is no one person who is going to fix this poo.
Surely if all the problems lay at the feet of one person, ie peggy, then wouldnt that mean that all the the solutions could be found by one person?
But, I do think the first thing we need to do is have the constitution changed so the president can not make all these decisions on their own, as peggy has been doing. It needs to be a majority of the board, not one person as we have been seeing, otherwise, what is even the point of having a board?
This is even more pertinent when that person is a woman and she can make all these decision on her own, ignoring what the men want.
glad you can finally see it. Its a mans job and this peggy and her girlfriend benny fail have proven they are hopeless in decision making.
get rid of the 2 and the master tactician in dimwit and the board may just be successful.
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Mal Brown about to weigh in.....
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when are these idiots going to realise there is no one person who is going to fix this poo.
Surely if all the problems lay at the feet of one person, ie peggy, then wouldnt that mean that all the the solutions could be found by one person?
But, I do think the first thing we need to do is have the constitution changed so the president can not make all these decisions on their own, as peggy has been doing. It needs to be a majority of the board, not one person as we have been seeing, otherwise, what is even the point of having a board?
This is even more pertinent when that person is a woman and she can make all these decision on her own, ignoring what the men want.
glad you can finally see it. Its a mans job and this peggy and her girlfriend benny fail have proven they are hopeless in decision making.
get rid of the 2 and the master tactician in dimwit and the board may just be successful.
Idgaf she's a woman.
She's poo at her job and an arrogant prick.
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For anyone interested
Here is the thread about Monteath & Allison from 2012, interesting reading a number of comments
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=16650.0
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This challenge seems half arsed to me. Who says they want Balme without talking to him first? Idiots that's who. They lost my support with stupid statements and the lack of a call for a vote. Stuff em.
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Might go and get my own ticket
Who wants to join me ?
This is my campaign points
1/ .pay out the Hardwick Contract ✅
2/. Approach Matty Knights to becoming Senior Coach with a mentor in place
3/. Approach and Poach Dennis Hine from Collingwood to become recruitment manager
4/. Remove Blair Hartley from his existing role and have him work under Hine
5/. Change Captains
6. Have assistants that are objective
7/. Have all VFL Home Games at Punt Rd
8 /. Have 2 football people on the board
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New lights for the car park? ;)
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How about you announce the Matty Knights for coach before asking him? That's about the standard of this lot.
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Yeah I got excited about the prospect of change this morning but the more I learn about these guys and what they're proposing, the less enthused I get.
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How about you announce the Matty Knights for coach before asking him? That's about the standard of this lot.
Might already have 😉
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Might want to get Derek Hine's name right before approaching him.
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Might go and get my own ticket
Who wants to join me ?
This is my campaign points
1/ .pay out the Hardwick Contract ✅
2/. Approach Matty Knights to becoming Senior Coach with a mentor in place
3/. Approach and Poach Dennis Hine from Collingwood to become recruitment manager
4/. Remove Blair Hartley from his existing role and have him work under Hine
5/. Change Captains
6. Have assistants that are objective
7/. Have all VFL Home Games at Punt Rd
8 /. Have 2 football people on the board
You have my vote!
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Might go and get my own ticket
Who wants to join me ?
This is my campaign points
1/ .pay out the Hardwick Contract ✅
2/. Approach Matty Knights to becoming Senior Coach with a mentor in place
3/. Approach and Poach Dennis Hine from Collingwood to become recruitment manager
4/. Remove Blair Hartley from his existing role and have him work under Hine
5/. Change Captains
6. Have assistants that are objective
7/. Have all VFL Home Games at Punt Rd
8 /. Have 2 football people on the board
You have my vote!
Where are you going to vote?
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So yet again under this plan we don't get a say or our voices heard :banghead :banghead
Most of what they said is exactly what the faithful have been complaining and worried about.
We want change at board level. :thumbsup
We want the end of this poo game plan :thumbsup
We want the football department to be more professional :thumbsup
We want our recruiting department upgraded. :thumbsup
Facts are facts this whole problem is born from Hardwicks contract being extended which was one of the worst if not the worst decision in this clubs history.
Pure and simple change is needed sooner rather than later.
It also takes balls to put yourself out there knowing full well that every man and their dog will take pot shots just because we're the RFC.
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Seriously Lucky Phil ::)
Lucky Phil goes to games. FACT!
Yeah he does
So what's your point?
That's enough of a reason for him become a director?
Question for you
Have you met him? Spoken to him?
Probably met I wouldn't have a clue as I'm not a club arse licker and don't let anyone know me.
I'm just interested as to why some people don't like him trying to get on the board. If he wants to make a difference then what's the harm in him trying anything possible to get a position?
Let's face it, the RFC have a pretty tight clique and it's almost impossible if you don't know the right people or aren't an accountant or a lawyer or aren't chummy with those other arse lickers over on the nicer seats.
Half the reason I never renewed my ton-up club because most of the punces in there were just full of there own self importance it made me sick listening to them talk poo pre-game, during the game and post game.
That said if this lucky phil is one of them then he can get stuffed too.
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Punt road blowing up again :lol omg Get Serious :rollin New tickets to the circus
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Punt road blowing up again :lol omg Get Serious :rollin New tickets to the circus
Monk you would support me surely ? 😉
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Punt road blowing up again :lol omg Get Serious :rollin New tickets to the circus
Monk you would support me surely ? 😉
l sure as hell wouldn't be supporting those jokers who have no idea. They got a better chance at train tickets ;D
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Punt road blowing up again :lol omg Get Serious :rollin New tickets to the circus
Monk you would support me surely ? 😉
i wouldn't your keeping BJ Hartley. Stupid decision right there.
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Who is this phil dude? I wanna meet him. Got crazy hair.
This is lucky phil
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Might go and get my own ticket
Who wants to join me ?
This is my campaign points
1/ .pay out the Hardwick Contract ✅
2/. Approach Matty Knights to becoming Senior Coach with a mentor in place
3/. Approach and Poach Dennis Hine from Collingwood to become recruitment manager
4/. Remove Blair Hartley from his existing role and have him work under Hine
5/. Change Captains
6. Have assistants that are objective
7/. Have all VFL Home Games at Punt Rd
8 /. Have 2 football people on the board
Love to but...
Hartley? FJ? What gives
Oversight?
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Jackson gone
Hartley demoted
Then dismiss after 12 months
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Make Hartley bootstudder.
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Make Hartley bootstudder.
No they be still slipping over on a good day
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New lights for the car park? ;)
:lol
Highlight of this thread thus far :clapping
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That said if this lucky phil is one of them then he can get stuffed too.
No he is in the Legends Club Coterie
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Apparently one of these fruit loops is on On The Couch now.
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While this challenge has it's flaws I welcome and applaud it.
What I would like to see is a group that will push for an EGM with a platform of sacking Hardwick and the people responsible for our reprehensible draft activity.
What I would really like to see is a group that commits to reinstating fixed term positions that come up for re-election every 3 years, to put an end to the entrenched mediocrity at board level.
In the meantime these guys will do.
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Martin was just on " On The Couch "
Made a lot of sense
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Apparently one of these fruit loops is on On The Couch now.
No fruit loop
Came across good
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Apparently one of these fruit loops is on On The Couch now.
No fruit loop
Came across good
Was on Talking Footy on 7Mate too
Listening to him trying to explain the Balme scenario was ... painful
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Why would I vote for these flogs?
They have no policy that I align with and completely ballsed up their press conference. Haven't even spoken to Balme! LOL. I would be peeing myself if it was happening at another club
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Martin was just on " On The Couch "
Made a lot of sense
Agree they will get my vote x 2
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We get a vote if the current board refuse to fold to a rebel ticket.
Either way the right outcome happens. If the current board cave and quit over a rebel ticket then any combination of a board is better than a gutless board that quits.
If the refuse to cave then we get a vote.
Either way its a positive outcome under the circumstances.
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What I find bewildering is that this alternate group have hired one of the best PR companies in country to do their PR / promote their message etc
And they let them go to media with what they did this morning
:facepalm
The PR mob misread the tea leaves big time
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New lights for the car park? ;)
:bow
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and yet the turkeys will vote for christmas like they do whenever the opportunity arises.
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and yet the turkeys will vote for christmas like they do whenever the opportunity arises.
Like moths to Peggy's flame
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nay dooks, naaaay. I myself would prefer continuity with change
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All for change but not a change to these turkeys.
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All for change but not a change to these turkeys.
This
They are a rabble.
If you are to plan something like this, then wouldn't you plan???
They look like disorganised fools
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Naaay wilbur NAAAy
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Nayyyy nayyyy nayyyy
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LOL
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when are these idiots going to realise there is no one person who is going to fix this poo.
Surely if all the problems lay at the feet of one person, ie peggy, then wouldnt that mean that all the the solutions could be found by one person?
But, I do think the first thing we need to do is have the constitution changed so the president can not make all these decisions on their own, as peggy has been doing. It needs to be a majority of the board, not one person as we have been seeing, otherwise, what is even the point of having a board?
This is even more pertinent when that person is a woman and she can make all these decision on her own, ignoring what the men want.
glad you can finally see it. Its a mans job and this peggy and her girlfriend benny fail have proven they are hopeless in decision making.
get rid of the 2 and the master tactician in dimwit and the board may just be successful.
So the issue is no so much that one person has the power to make all these decisions on their own, just that is a woman doing it.
so we could get one bloke in and no need for for the rest of the board? they do nothing anyway.
sounds good to me
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Anyone hear what Mal Brown said on SEN? Some people are saying he made more sense than anyone has so far today....though as one wag noted, you know things are bad when Mal Brown is making the most sense....another misspelled his name as Mel Brown....who was Scary Spice from the Spice Girls...she'd probably do a better job at this point too.....
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It's not that stuffing hard. All they had to say is -
- extending hardwick was a massive mistake and will be replaced
- we will search for the best candidate as ceo of football
- director positions will be fixed term
- we will strive for excellence in all areas of recruiting development and coaching and no dollar will be spared to get the best people in these critical football roles
- we will work to make this club much more attractive to players and sponsors
- we would like to thank the current board for there efforts but we believe we are better equiped to take the club to the next level and contest for a premiership.
Any other question should be played with a straight bat. Who is the PR firm that advised them?
They could well do a better job than the current board (the bar is set pretty low) but first impressions didn't do them any favours.
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Well they at least sounded like a Richmond board.... ill-advised, emotive, muddled & incompetent, yet somehow still full of bravado....
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Well they at least sounded like a Richmond board.... ill-advised, emotive, muddled & incompetent, yet somehow still full of bravado....
Yep fair point. Well equipped to take over then.
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Who is the PR firm that advised them?
Royce Communications; consider one of the best in the business
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And just another question
This alternate ticket only has 7 members
Who do they want to fill the other positions?
Or do they just run as a 7 person board?
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Tiger challengers force Brendon Gale's hand
Caroline Wilson
The Age
6 Sept. 2016
The Martin Hiscock-led Richmond board challenge served one clear purpose when it advanced by stealth in the early hours of Monday towards the historically poignant Leo Berry gym. But it was not to provide any clear alternative to the current group of directors apart from placing the spotlight on a group that includes too many less-than-dynamic performers at the board table.
The current Richmond Football Club board has been challenged by a collection of Tigers supporters calling itself Focus on Football.
What it has done is force Brendon Gale's hand. Gale was already on the verge of making a series of significant changes to his football department but the "Focus on Football" group has – albeit flimsily – crystallised the crucial nature of the CEO's next move. And the leadership and backing of his president Peggy O'Neal, which he clearly has.
Gale looked a little drawn when he fronted the media on Monday. These are difficult times for him but, to be brutal, he has left it too long to make his foray into the Tigers' football department.
Perhaps being a former footballer who played with distinction at the club he felt unwilling as chief executive to interfere earlier, but what he faces now is a coach who has under-performed and a raft of staffers who should have been scrutinised and moved on well before now.
This review and all the unpleasantness that has come with it should have been conducted 12 months ago when Richmond, for the third year running, failed to fire a shot in September despite finishing close to the top four. Then the coach was coming out of contract in 12 months. Now the club has committed to him for a further two years.
Then the captain Trent Cotchin was under some pressure for another dismal final. Now, as the on-field leadership has eroded, the role of captain must surely be looked at. Ditto development and recruiting and leadership in totality.
This is not to downgrade the role of Daniel Richardson, but he came to the club as a newcomer to the role and it was his first role at a club. He will remain but it appears there will be some new personnel around him.
Crucially, the Tigers are looking for a new boss to oversee their player leadership program after Gerard Murphy left in some acrimony mid-season.
If the club is also looking for another strong voice in football, surely the role required is director of coaching, given Damien Hardwick's performance this season, his refusal in the past to change some of his assistants, the holes in development and strategy and the fact this will be a largely new group in 2017.
This latest group of rebels, and let's face it there have been plenty of those over the past 12 months, support Gale and have no plans to release Hardwick from his contract. While the new structure around O'Neal's board and its nominations committee has turned it into something of a closed shop, this challenge is politically naive and potentially more damaging.
They have no official connection to Neil Balme but want him back at the club, an announcement which reportedly embarrassed Balme, who appears increasingly likely to remain at Collingwood.
The group includes premiership players Bryan Wood and Bruce Monteath, who have been linked to challenges before – Wood officially when Charles Macek unsuccessfully took on Clinton Casey in 2004 – and should know better.
Although their timing was good, coming early on a Monday after a football-free weekend, they offered no solutions, no clear plan and no real point of difference. And yet, as Gale well knows, strong successful clubs don't fall out with their former players as this exercise has indicated.
To their credit, they have put a name to their challenge and anyone who has watched the Tigers this season could sympathise with their frustration. But that does not justify such old-fashioned destructive blood-letting.
Even if Gale and O'Neal have taken too long to perform some bloody tasks of their own.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tiger-challengers-force-brendon-gales-hand-20160905-gr9bzh.html
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And just another question
This alternate ticket only has 7 members
Who do they want to fill the other positions?
Or do they just run as a 7 person board?
They want 2 of the existing board to join then Benny gale and someone else
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Zig and Zag on Mmm
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Bryan Wood was on SEN after 7am
Seriously, if thus "focus on footy" group want to be tkaen seriously then dont let him speak
He mumbled, stumbled and bumbled thorugh his answer.
Leach asked some really good questions and he showed no confidence in his answers
Only time he showed any confidence was when he was clippong the incumbents
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We need another ticket WP
Will you join me ?
Both current and Focus on Footy have proven in the last 24 hours what a joke the RFC
Peggy says all this will cause chaos
Just obviously doesn't watch our games each week
😉
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Who is the PR firm that advised them?
Royce Communications; consider one of the best in the business
They'd want to get their money back
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they prematurely interjectulated
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We need another ticket WP
Will you join me ?
Both current and Focus on Footy have proven in the last 24 hours what a joke the RFC
Peggy says all this will cause chaos
Just obviously doesn't watch our games each week
😉
:lol
Vowed id never do it again Jack ;D
Tough gig sitting on the board of a footy club
Have said it many times, really do wonder if people actually understand what involves and how tough it is. It isnt a popularity contest
Watching yesterday's collective circuses proved that many of those people don't have a clue
Bryan Wood further proved it this morning on SEN
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Who is the PR firm that advised them?
Royce Communications; consider one of the best in the business
They'd want to get their money back
Obviously were forced to drop the "Rolls" out of their name with their latest performance.... :whistle
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So there's so much talk about getting rid of Hardwick.
Main problem is finding the money to do so. Figure quoted is $1.3M. We can't afford that but the argument is that keeping him will cost more in members, attendance and sponsorship.
However there was a little thing mentioned by Caro on Footy Classified last night.
She dropped a comment about the payout being a problem for the "off field spend cap". I think she called it the "soft" cap.
Thinking about this it seems that if we payout the $1.3M it will be included in our spending cap and we therefore have to pay a "tax" on top of that to the AFL.
Ouch.
PS: Must admit I liked Caro's article quoted above. She hit a lot of good marks.
The one I think she missed, as do most commentators, is the poor and decreasing communication from the board. The review is a prime current example
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Geez Geez the club turns over what per year and can't find 1.3
FFs take a loan out, equaliAtion fund, sell grigg to Glue factory
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PS: Must admit I liked Caro's article quoted above. She hit a lot of good marks.
The one I think she missed, as do most commentators, is the poor and decreasing communication from the board. The review is a prime current example
She brought that up on Footy Classified last night....
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Queen Caro :bow
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She brought that up on Footy Classified last night....
Accept that but I was thinking about things like cancelling the Fighting Tiger, failure of RFC Official posting, early board resignations and appointments, secret deliberations of the "Star Chamber" Nominations Committee and changes to it's format and processes, muddling of TFT and Jack Dyer in financials, even the re-signing of Hardwick and current personnel changes.
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She brought that up on Footy Classified last night....
muddling of TFT and Jack Dyer in financials
but the board has done an outstanding job. :wallywink
Take away the ftf and we lose money every year - the supporters have done a great job, not the board - take away the 6-8 mill in donations and we still have a 6 mill dollar debt. Some stuffing gullible morons out there
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It's the supporters fault however the club is now Shyte at football and not too 4
Cause they wouldn't tolerate a length rebuild. Oh no sir
They remanded finals almost immediately.
As the great Betamax dan Richardson explained to us unwashed masses recently. Perhaps while playing with grigg in the bay
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If clubs like Brisbane can fire Leppitsch and pay him out and EFC can pay out Hird then surely we can pay out Hardwick...
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What did the drug cheats spend 50 million?
Richmond weak as water
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Accept that but I was thinking about things like cancelling the Fighting Tiger, failure of RFC Official posting, early board resignations and appointments, secret deliberations of the "Star Chamber" Nominations Committee and changes to it's format and processes, muddling of TFT and Jack Dyer in financials, even the re-signing of Hardwick and current personnel changes.
Don't forget the five pillars? Where is our long term goal? There is nothing measurable we are trying to achieve and it all seems like an attempt to save face.
In addition to that, I find it hilarious that people are happy to whack these people trying to overturn the board or run for the current board because they don't have any direction or plans. It's a fair whack but where are they supposed to outline what they will change and achieve when they have nothing to compare against.
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I believe their "plan" involves keeping Hallfstep for at least a year to save money and surrounding him with "the best people", retain Richardson and just assume Neil Balme is going to join the club without even speaking to him.....but even if they didn't outline any "plan" at all, since when is the incumbents not having direction or a plan an excuse for the challengers not having one either? Now that's an "hilarious" premise....might've helped get the LNP into government but not for far more important things like running Richmond Football Club...
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She brought that up on Footy Classified last night....
muddling of TFT and Jack Dyer in financials
but the board has done an outstanding job. :wallywink
Take away the ftf and we lose money every year - the supporters have done a great job, not the board - take away the 6-8 mill in donations and we still have a 6 mill dollar debt. Some stuffing gullible morons out there
If you look at our financials there is minimal detail on our receipts. They are grouped in 2 main categories- football and sponsorship/marketing. It is unclear how much revenue is membership, gate, merchandise, afl funding, sponsorship etc. Other clubs provide this level of detail so you can clearly see how they are doing in terms of non supporter dependant income.
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Didn't mind what Bryan Wood had to say, agree with him on Jack Riewoldt, to me he is a natural leader, not a introverted weirdo. Don't agree with him on Kevin Sheedy, he is and always will be a Bombers man. Do need some one with some flare who thinks big and wants to make us the Tiger on our logo. Not sure who that is going to be though...
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She brought that up on Footy Classified last night....
muddling of TFT and Jack Dyer in financials
but the board has done an outstanding job. :wallywink
Take away the ftf and we lose money every year - the supporters have done a great job, not the board - take away the 6-8 mill in donations and we still have a 6 mill dollar debt. Some stuffing gullible morons out there
correct on all accounts. Plenty of gullible ones on here too.
TM tell me has anyone really thanked the fans for reducing their debt? I dont mean as a passing comment i mean really thanksd them and the FTF for getting them out of this poo.
It makes me laugh when fools like peggy sue and co get all the kudos from the caro types, meanwhile families living off 60k a forking out family memberships each year.
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First world problems. I live in a cardboard box next to a polluted river on Java
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She brought that up on Footy Classified last night....
muddling of TFT and Jack Dyer in financials
but the board has done an outstanding job. :wallywink
The doctor in his speech yesterday acknowledged the supporters efforts in reducing the debt.
Take away the ftf and we lose money every year - the supporters have done a great job, not the board - take away the 6-8 mill in donations and we still have a 6 mill dollar debt. Some stuffing gullible morons out there
correct on all accounts. Plenty of gullible ones on here too.
TM tell me has anyone really thanked the fans for reducing their debt? I dont mean as a passing comment i mean really thanksd them and the FTF for getting them out of this poo.
It makes me laugh when fools like peggy sue and co get all the kudos from the caro types, meanwhile families living off 60k a forking out family memberships each year.
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I demand a thank you
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Me too. I nearly died once because I was outraged that Richmond didn't win. I want a thank you, an apology and Brett Deledio to sign my cats footbal.
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muddling of TFT and Jack Dyer in financials
Sorry but not sure what you mean by "muddling" in the financials?
Putting my accountants hat on here under the legal requirements (corp law) and by extension accounting standards there is no muddling of any numbers
All those revenues are recorded and declared as they must be under the law
People may not like it but it is never the less the law - club is leaglly obligated to follow
As I have posted many times over the years. Funds received into the JDF are controlled by the club and as such they must be shown separately in the accounts (which they are) and included as part of total revenue. This is the law. Further use of the JDF funds is controlled by a deed issued by the ASF that stipulates what the funds must be used on. This point is clearly expalined in the Full financials
Re the FTF this is simply a revenue stream of the club and as such is recored as revenue
Should the club disclose the actual FTF amount each year in the financials? Again have said many times yes they should, without question.
but as it stands right now as the accounting standards are written the Club only have minimum obligations to follow as to disclosing and reporting and they follow those requirement.
I will confess that I do get frustrated when people throw up this chestnut every year, that somehow the numbers are "muddled", "fudged" etc because that is simply not true.
Yes we dont get great detail, though if you get the full financials as opposed to the concise ones you get greater information/detail but as it stands the club are doing what they required to do legally and uless the law changes it wont be changing unless they choose to.
Finally, can I add that if I had any say in it I would change immediately because I reckon we deserve more detail
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If you look at our financials there is minimal detail on our receipts. They are grouped in 2 main categories- football and sponsorship/marketing. It is unclear how much revenue is membership, gate, merchandise, afl funding, sponsorship etc. Other clubs provide this level of detail so you can clearly see how they are doing in terms of non supporter dependant income.
Harry I've just made a comment about this
I understand the frustration but legally they don't have to do any more.
And FWIW we are not the only club that takes this approach.
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So there's so much talk about getting rid of Hardwick.
Main problem is finding the money to do so. Figure quoted is $1.3M. We can't afford that but the argument is that keeping him will cost more in members, attendance and sponsorship.
However there was a little thing mentioned by Caro on Footy Classified last night.
She dropped a comment about the payout being a problem for the "off field spend cap". I think she called it the "soft" cap.
Thinking about this it seems that if we payout the $1.3M it will be included in our spending cap and we therefore have to pay a "tax" on top of that to the AFL.
Ouch.
PS: Must admit I liked Caro's article quoted above. She hit a lot of good marks.
The one I think she missed, as do most commentators, is the poor and decreasing communication from the board. The review is a prime current example
Only a short accounting lose
The long term economic lose of keeping moron McGee for another two years will be drug-sagaesque
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I don't wanna loss you
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WP the point you have taken out of my post was one of a few relating to "poor and decreasing communication".
Judging by your reply you agree.
Should the club disclose the actual FTF amount each year in the financials? Again have said many times yes they should, without question.
Yes we dont get great detail, though if you get the full financials as opposed to the concise ones you get greater information/detail but as it stands the club are doing what they required to do legally and uless the law changes it wont be changing unless they choose to.
Finally, can I add that if I had any say in it I would change immediately because I reckon we deserve more detail
Yes, we deserve more detail.
To restate, "poor and decreasing communications".
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If you look at our financials there is minimal detail on our receipts. They are grouped in 2 main categories- football and sponsorship/marketing. It is unclear how much revenue is membership, gate, merchandise, afl funding, sponsorship etc. Other clubs provide this level of detail so you can clearly see how they are doing in terms of non supporter dependant income.
Harry I've just made a comment about this
I understand the frustration but legally they don't have to do any more.
And FWIW we are not the only club that takes this approach.
I've looked at Hawthorns Collingwoods and Norths and they provide much more detail regarding receipts. Why would we not provide the members this level of detail also?
Where can you get the full financials from? Are they available to all members?
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WP the point you have taken out of my post was one of a few relating to "poor and decreasing communication".
Judging by your reply you agree.
Should the club disclose the actual FTF amount each year in the financials? Again have said many times yes they should, without question.
Yes we dont get great detail, though if you get the full financials as opposed to the concise ones you get greater information/detail but as it stands the club are doing what they required to do legally and uless the law changes it wont be changing unless they choose to.
Finally, can I add that if I had any say in it I would change immediately because I reckon we deserve more detail
Yes, we deserve more detail.
To restate, "poor and decreasing communications".
I do agree
But you referred to "muddling" the financials. Are you suggesting the lack of detail is the cause of this or are suggesting the numbers are being presented in a way to hide something
I've looked at Hawthorns Collingwoods and Norths and they provide much more detail regarding receipts. Why would we not provide the members this level of detail also?
Where can you get the full financials from? Are they available to all members?
I look at every clubs (sad I know but I am an accountant ;D) and trust me there are some worse in the detail stakes than ours
And yes all members can request a copy of the full financials, just need to contact them and ask
And before anyone ask; tney are only required under the law to make available publicly the concise financial. Full financials statements have to be requested. Nothing under handed here
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So many experts....
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A little bird just told me that Harry is...Hiscock! Hiscock is Harry...Harry Hiscock confess!
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I do agree
But you referred to "muddling" the financials. Are you suggesting the lack of detail is the cause of this or are suggesting the numbers are being presented in a way to hide something
Just checked the definition of "muddling". Bring into a disordered or confusing state.
I'd say I agree with that.
IMO the accounts are presented in a way that makes it difficult to separate out different revenue streams to understand them.
You say that the FTF amount should be disclosed.
I would have thought that bringing all revenue streams together in a lump sum, noting that they start out as separate accounts, brings them to a disordered or confusing state.
To me that's a lack of detail.
"Presented to hide something". Probably yes, our reliance on funds such as the FTF to generate profits.
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I do agree
But you referred to "muddling" the financials. Are you suggesting the lack of detail is the cause of this or are suggesting the numbers are being presented in a way to hide something
Just checked the definition of "muddling". Bring into a disordered or confusing state.
I'd say I agree with that.
IMO the accounts are presented in a way that makes it difficult to separate out different revenue streams to understand them.
You say that the FTF amount should be disclosed.
I would have thought that bringing all revenue streams together in a lump sum, noting that they start out as separate accounts, brings them to a disordered or confusing state.
To me that's a lack of detail.
"Presented to hide something". Probably yes, our reliance on funds such as the FTF to generate profits.
Correct. The numbers don't add up. How can football revenue be 14m (memberships gate afl funding) and sponsorship / marketing be 26m? Are they disclosing membership as marketing? Seems there's some "muddling" going on.
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A little bird just told me that Harry is...Hiscock! Hiscock is Harry...Harry Hiscock confess!
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Nah I'm Phil. Lucky Phil.
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can you present everything broken down to its own category and still be concise,
or would that then be the full financials?
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Has anyone actually asked to see the full financials? :huh
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:lol
I take it that is a rhetorical question?
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I know Dr Hiscock.
Good cardiologist. Nice bloke.
maybe he can give a few of them weak players down there a stronger heart :snidegrin
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So whats happening in Tigerland today. maybe l should just skip this topic seen it ain't going to go anywhere :lol
These jokers go on tv & bla bla & never even approach some they want in their crew. What a Motley Crew :snidegrin
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I know Dr Hiscock.
Good cardiologist. Nice bloke.
maybe he can give a few of them weak players down there a stronger heart :snidegrin
Works with Ron idiot at Epworth. idiot and Hiscock. Yep, that's right! :snidegrin
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I know Dr Hiscock.
Good cardiologist. Nice bloke.
maybe he can give a few of them weak players down there a stronger heart :snidegrin
Works with Ron idiot at Epworth. idiot and Hiscock. Yep, that's right! :snidegrin
l bet they both been to Bangkok :snidegrin
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youd be thinking of Hercock
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I know Dr Hiscock.
Good cardiologist. Nice bloke.
maybe he can give a few of them weak players down there a stronger heart :snidegrin
Works with Ron idiot at Epworth. idiot and Hiscock. Yep, that's right! :snidegrin
I know Dr Hiscocks brother Jack. Good bloke.
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I know Dr Hiscock.
Good cardiologist. Nice bloke.
maybe he can give a few of them weak players down there a stronger heart :snidegrin
Works with Ron idiot at Epworth. idiot and Hiscock. Yep, that's right! :snidegrin
I know Dr Hiscocks brother Jack. Good bloke.
The absolute truth is that he does have a brother but his name is Richard - no joking. :shh
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Just checked the definition of "muddling". Bring into a disordered or confusing state.
I'd say I agree with that.
IMO the accounts are presented in a way that makes it difficult to separate out different revenue streams to understand them.
You say that the FTF amount should be disclosed.
I would have thought that bringing all revenue streams together in a lump sum, noting that they start out as separate accounts, brings them to a disordered or confusing state.
To me that's a lack of detail.
"Presented to hide something". Probably yes, our reliance on funds such as the FTF to generate profits.
While I understand your point and I do agree to a point I come back to the fact that they are presenting them as they are required to by law. Obviously internally all revenues like expenses would be categorised on line by line basis. But (and I know I keep saying the same thing) for the purposes of what they must legally publicly disclose they are meeting their obligations. This isn't something that only relates to this club or AFL other clubs do. This is common for large publicly listed companies = the disclose the barest of info.
Whether that is right or wrong is a separate discussion
Yes I do believe the FTF funds should be disclosed separately but there is no legal obligation to do so. I counter the notion of reliance on the FTF to generate profits. You could easily justify that there is a reliance on our pokies revenue to generate profits or our sponsorship or membership. The fact is the FTF is revenue stream of the club. Just like this Fitness Centre project down in Cardinia shire is a new revenue stream. Clubs have multiple revenue streams. I would like more detail on each category because as I said the other week in another thread how we classify one thing is different to how other clubs do so when you try and compare it creates a confusion and clouds discussion
Correct. The numbers don't add up. How can football revenue be 14m (memberships gate afl funding) and sponsorship / marketing be 26m? Are they disclosing membership as marketing? Seems there's some "muddling" going on.
the numbers do add up but the issue is how they classify things and what detail the present.
Go back the discussion the other week about sponsorship. A newspaper report said our sponsorship was about $4-$6 mil but our total marketing figure in 2015 was $24.4 mil and $23.7 mil in 2014. So that $4-$6 sponsorship number is clear not right based on the total figures...
Are they including membership in marketing I have no idea; it's good question - an interesting question
I would be wrapt to see them give us more detail but as I said until they legally have to; they and I'd estimate a further 12 or AFL clubs wont
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Has anyone actually asked to see the full financials? :huh
Which year would you like ;D
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Has anyone actually asked to see the full financials? :huh
Which year would you like ;D
I should have known! :lol
I am a :wallywink
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Has anyone actually asked to see the full financials? :huh
Which year would you like ;D
I should have known! :lol
I am a :wallywink
:thumbsup
Just looking at last year's
Did you know that not only is the JDF contributions reported separately on the Income Statement as required by law but so to is the Cash held in the JDF account on the balance sheet ;D
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Has anyone actually asked to see the full financials? :huh
Which year would you like ;D
I should have known! :lol
I am a :wallywink
:thumbsup
Just looking at last year's
Did you know that not only is the JDF contributions reported separately on the Income Statement as required by law but so to is the Cash held in the JDF account on the balance sheet ;D
Strange how certain professions find these things exciting! :lol
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I know Dr Hiscock.
Good cardiologist. Nice bloke.
maybe he can give a few of them weak players down there a stronger heart :snidegrin
Works with Ron idiot at Epworth. idiot and Hiscock. Yep, that's right! :snidegrin
I know Dr Hiscocks brother Jack. Good bloke.
Don't shake hands with him or wash if you do.
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Just checked the definition of "muddling". Bring into a disordered or confusing state.
I'd say I agree with that.
IMO the accounts are presented in a way that makes it difficult to separate out different revenue streams to understand them.
You say that the FTF amount should be disclosed.
I would have thought that bringing all revenue streams together in a lump sum, noting that they start out as separate accounts, brings them to a disordered or confusing state.
To me that's a lack of detail.
"Presented to hide something". Probably yes, our reliance on funds such as the FTF to generate profits.
While I understand your point and I do agree to a point I come back to the fact that they are presenting them as they are required to by law. Obviously internally all revenues like expenses would be categorised on line by line basis. But (and I know I keep saying the same thing) for the purposes of what they must legally publicly disclose they are meeting their obligations. This isn't something that only relates to this club or AFL other clubs do. This is common for large publicly listed companies = the disclose the barest of info.
Whether that is right or wrong is a separate discussion
Yes I do believe the FTF funds should be disclosed separately but there is no legal obligation to do so. I counter the notion of reliance on the FTF to generate profits. You could easily justify that there is a reliance on our pokies revenue to generate profits or our sponsorship or membership. The fact is the FTF is revenue stream of the club. Just like this Fitness Centre project down in Cardinia shire is a new revenue stream. Clubs have multiple revenue streams. I would like more detail on each category because as I said the other week in another thread how we classify one thing is different to how other clubs do so when you try and compare it creates a confusion and clouds discussion
Correct. The numbers don't add up. How can football revenue be 14m (memberships gate afl funding) and sponsorship / marketing be 26m? Are they disclosing membership as marketing? Seems there's some "muddling" going on.
the numbers do add up but the issue is how they classify things and what detail the present.
Go back the discussion the other week about sponsorship. A newspaper report said our sponsorship was about $4-$6 mil but our total marketing figure in 2015 was $24.4 mil and $23.7 mil in 2014. So that $4-$6 sponsorship number is clear not right based on the total figures...
Are they including membership in marketing I have no idea; it's good question - an interesting question
I would be wrapt to see them give us more detail but as I said until they legally have to; they and I'd estimate a further 12 or AFL clubs wont
WP if you have last years full financials whats the breakdown of the 14m football revenue and 25m sponsorship / marketing revenue?
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Its not broken down any further in the full financials
What the full financials have is notes to most categories but full breakdown no
Again they dont have to, so they don't
I have raised it at the AGM a number of times, that they should give more detail. But as everyone can see it hasn't changed
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Its not broken down any further in the full financials
What the full financials have is notes to most categories but full breakdown no
Again they dont have to, so they don't
I have raised it at the AGM a number of times, that they should give more detail. But as everyone can see it hasn't changed
So they're not really full financials then.
Are these "full financials" the one you can download from the club website or sent directly to you by the club.
So in order to get more info we need the full PL statement. As members are we entitled to this?
I would hazard a guess that some creative accounting is at play here "muddling" the accounts so we don't have clear visibility of our non supporter revenue, or lack thereof.
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So they're not really full financials then.
Are these "full financials" the one you can download from the club website or sent directly to you by the club.
So in order to get more info we need the full PL statement. As members are we entitled to this?
I would hazard a guess that some creative accounting is at play here "muddling" the accounts so we don't have clear visibility of our non supporter revenue, or lack thereof.
What you can download from the club website is the Concise Financial Statements
If you want the full financials which is about 20 pages longer and gives detailed notes on things then you call the club and they will forward it you
Sorry Harry but you are looking for something that just isn't there. There is no creative accounting. Everything is recorded and disclosed. They get independently audited. PWC are not going to sign off the accounts if they are not correct..
Everything is disclosed to the members as per ALL legal requirements/obligations in Australia.
Members get a Full Income Statement (P&L statement) now.
Your issue is the fact it isn't set out the way you want it; it isn't detailed the way you want so you are suggesting they're hiding things. They are not
Again (sorry for repeating it) they don't have to do anymore, supply anymore than what they are. The club is meetings its legal obligations.
By full P&L statement I think you are asking are members entitled to see the detailed monthly / yearly results etc? And if you are then my answer to that is (again wearing my accountants hat) is no.
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Has anyone actually asked to see the full financials? :huh
Which year would you like ;D
I should have known! :lol
I am a :wallywink
:thumbsup
Just looking at last year's
Did you know that not only is the JDF contributions reported separately on the Income Statement as required by law but so to is the Cash held in the JDF account on the balance sheet ;D
Strange how certain professions find these things exciting! :lol
reminds of that scene in game of thrones where Arya tells the Hound that lots of people name their swords.
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So they're not really full financials then.
Are these "full financials" the one you can download from the club website or sent directly to you by the club.
So in order to get more info we need the full PL statement. As members are we entitled to this?
I would hazard a guess that some creative accounting is at play here "muddling" the accounts so we don't have clear visibility of our non supporter revenue, or lack thereof.
What you can download from the club website is the Concise Financial Statements
If you want the full financials which is about 20 pages longer and gives detailed notes on things then you call the club and they will forward it you
Sorry Harry but you are looking for something that just isn't there. There is no creative accounting. Everything is recorded and disclosed. They get independently audited. PWC are not going to sign off the accounts if they are not correct..
Everything is disclosed to the members as per ALL legal requirements/obligations in Australia.
Members get a Full Income Statement (P&L statement) now.
Your issue is the fact it isn't set out the way you want it; it isn't detailed the way you want so you are suggesting they're hiding things. They are not
Again (sorry for repeating it) they don't have to do anymore, supply anymore than what they are. The club is meetings its legal obligations.
By full P&L statement I think you are asking are members entitled to see the detailed monthly / yearly results etc? And if you are then my answer to that is (again wearing my accountants hat) is no.
WP - I'm not questioning whether they are correct or not - I'm sure these are the true results. I'm questioning the classifications and what constitutes sponsorship/marketing revenue. 25m is a huge amount yet 14m for football revenue is very low. I'm sure they are meeting their legal requirements, but as all good accountants know there are ways you can group results so certain aspects are not brought to the attention of the viewer.
If membership dollars can legally be classified as marketing revenue then it's best for the club to muddle this with sponsorship so that sponsorship dollars doesn't stick out like a sore thumb. I'm not questioning the legality. There's many ways you can group your financials to not bring to light certain aspects of the results.
You say members get full Income Statement (PL statement) now. Where is this?
I don't care how they set out the results, I just want to know the details of what makes up these revenue streams, and how much of this revenue is reliant on us supporters and members.
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LOL no worries quincy
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Board challengers refusing to back down
LAUREN WOOD
Herald Sun
7 September 2016
RICHMOND’S board challengers say they “aren’t going away” despite making no progress on their call for the Tigers board led by president Peggy O’Neal to step down.
The Focus on Football ticket launched its assault on Monday but is yet to even speak with O’Neal or other Richmond officials after phone calls again went unanswered.
The group has threatened to force a board spill and election if O’Neal and Co do not leave of their own accord.
Group leader Martin Hiscock was defiant on Tuesday.
“What we plan to do is that myself and (fellow group members) Mag (Kearney) and probably Dr David Marsh would approach Peggy O’Neal in person and have a roundtable discussion with her and Brendon Gale about a smooth takeover,” Hiscock told the Herald Sun.
“That would involve all of our ticket going onto the Richmond Football Club board immediately.
“The whole board has to stand down, but we would then throw the nominations process open and of course we would consider some of the recent appointees to the board among the other aspirants.
“If she declines that ... we would progress then to an EGM (Extraordinary General Meeting).
“I think there’s a time and place (to do it). We’ll work things out between us. I’m sure she’ll respond in the right way — we’re all professionals.”
Richmond officials are considering whether they will meet with the group and could potentially accede to the call next week. The club’s best and fairest is tomorrow night.
Kearney claimed that the group has received “overwhelming support” since Monday’s launch, including from unnamed former Richmond players and board members
We’re not going to go away ... they can’t ignore us,” she said.
Kearney also said the group hoped to meet with Collingwood official Neil Balme this week after naming him as the key target for the position of “CEO of football”.
The group’s public relations strategy saw proposed football director Bryan Wood hit the airwaves, with the three-time premiership Tiger flagging Kevin Sheedy as the type of person it would look to install in an advisory role if it is successful.
“Kevin is quite ensconced and secure at Essendon, but if we can get that type of person back to Richmond to help bring about this success that we want — obviously, yes,” he said.
“Kevin is a great performer and that’s why Essendon got him back there — to help bring about unity.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-board-challengers-are-refusing-to-back-down/news-story/7e77c03fd7e40f4cea538a1811ea2940
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WP - I'm not questioning whether they are correct or not - I'm sure these are the true results. I'm questioning the classifications and what constitutes sponsorship/marketing revenue. 25m is a huge amount yet 14m for football revenue is very low. I'm sure they are meeting their legal requirements, but as all good accountants know there are ways you can group results so certain aspects are not brought to the attention of the viewer.
If membership dollars can legally be classified as marketing revenue then it's best for the club to muddle this with sponsorship so that sponsorship dollars doesn't stick out like a sore thumb. I'm not questioning the legality. There's many ways you can group your financials to not bring to light certain aspects of the results.
You say members get full Income Statement (PL statement) now. Where is this?
I don't care how they set out the results, I just want to know the details of what makes up these revenue streams, and how much of this revenue is reliant on us supporters and members.
Harry, you are not going to get the detail of you want
the full income statement is how it appear and how it is required to appear under the law is page 14 of last years Concise report
A further breakdown is shown in the cash flow statement
I understand you don't like it but as it stands that is what we get.
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14 pages in and I don't have confidence in either group to correct on field woes
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WP - I'm not questioning whether they are correct or not - I'm sure these are the true results. I'm questioning the classifications and what constitutes sponsorship/marketing revenue. 25m is a huge amount yet 14m for football revenue is very low. I'm sure they are meeting their legal requirements, but as all good accountants know there are ways you can group results so certain aspects are not brought to the attention of the viewer.
If membership dollars can legally be classified as marketing revenue then it's best for the club to muddle this with sponsorship so that sponsorship dollars doesn't stick out like a sore thumb. I'm not questioning the legality. There's many ways you can group your financials to not bring to light certain aspects of the results.
You say members get full Income Statement (PL statement) now. Where is this?
I don't care how they set out the results, I just want to know the details of what makes up these revenue streams, and how much of this revenue is reliant on us supporters and members.
Harry, you are not going to get the detail of you want
the full income statement is how it appear and how it is required to appear under the law is page 14 of last years Concise report
A further breakdown is shown in the cash flow statement
I understand you don't like it but as it stands that is what we get.
As members we are entitled to further details. This is the transparency issue we have with the current board. Keep the toothless ferals in the dark lol
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WP - I'm not questioning whether they are correct or not - I'm sure these are the true results. I'm questioning the classifications and what constitutes sponsorship/marketing revenue. 25m is a huge amount yet 14m for football revenue is very low. I'm sure they are meeting their legal requirements, but as all good accountants know there are ways you can group results so certain aspects are not brought to the attention of the viewer.
If membership dollars can legally be classified as marketing revenue then it's best for the club to muddle this with sponsorship so that sponsorship dollars doesn't stick out like a sore thumb. I'm not questioning the legality. There's many ways you can group your financials to not bring to light certain aspects of the results.
You say members get full Income Statement (PL statement) now. Where is this?
I don't care how they set out the results, I just want to know the details of what makes up these revenue streams, and how much of this revenue is reliant on us supporters and members.
Harry, you are not going to get the detail of you want
the full income statement is how it appear and how it is required to appear under the law is page 14 of last years Concise report
A further breakdown is shown in the cash flow statement
I understand you don't like it but as it stands that is what we get.
As members we are entitled to further details. This is the transparency issue we have with the current board. Keep the toothless ferals in the dark lol
No your not
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Focus on Football. LOL
More like Flogs on Football. Group is a bunch of try hard amateurs who will stuff our club completely if allowed in. Did anyone hear Wood on SEN!!!! God help us if he gets on our Board
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The supporters will keep the club up and running regardless of who sits on the board. A finals appearance here and there and heaven forbid a finals win or 2 and the tiger army will carry the club and it's finances. All the incumbents have done is sell hope. Thats all really. Get some ruthless people in to make some ruthless decisions. I don't care if they made a good impression on SEN or talking footy. What have Peggy "chaos" O'Neal and Brendan "it's very complicated" Gale ever said in the media that has given us a clear indication that they know how to make us successful?
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The supporters will keep the club up and running regardless of who sits on the board. A finals appearance here and there and heaven forbid a finals win or 2 and the tiger army will carry the club and it's finances. All the incumbents have done is sell hope. Thats all really. Get some ruthless people in to make some ruthless decisions. I don't care if they made a good impression on SEN or talking footy. What have Peggy "chaos" O'Neal and Brendan "it's very complicated" Gale ever said in the media that has given us a clear indication that they know how to make us successful?
Graeme Richmond. :cheers
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The supporters will keep the club up and running regardless of who sits on the board. A finals appearance here and there and heaven forbid a finals win or 2 and the tiger army will carry the club and it's finances. All the incumbents have done is sell hope. Thats all really. Get some ruthless people in to make some ruthless decisions. I don't care if they made a good impression on SEN or talking footy. What have Peggy "chaos" O'Neal and Brendan "it's very complicated" Gale ever said in the media that has given us a clear indication that they know how to make us successful?
Graeme Richmond. :cheers
Graeme Richmond was responsible for our greatest ever era but also responsible for our worst. Brought the club to its knees in a trading war with Collingwood that very nearly sent us to the wall.
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WP - I'm not questioning whether they are correct or not - I'm sure these are the true results. I'm questioning the classifications and what constitutes sponsorship/marketing revenue. 25m is a huge amount yet 14m for football revenue is very low. I'm sure they are meeting their legal requirements, but as all good accountants know there are ways you can group results so certain aspects are not brought to the attention of the viewer.
If membership dollars can legally be classified as marketing revenue then it's best for the club to muddle this with sponsorship so that sponsorship dollars doesn't stick out like a sore thumb. I'm not questioning the legality. There's many ways you can group your financials to not bring to light certain aspects of the results.
You say members get full Income Statement (PL statement) now. Where is this?
I don't care how they set out the results, I just want to know the details of what makes up these revenue streams, and how much of this revenue is reliant on us supporters and members.
Harry, you are not going to get the detail of you want
the full income statement is how it appear and how it is required to appear under the law is page 14 of last years Concise report
A further breakdown is shown in the cash flow statement
I understand you don't like it but as it stands that is what we get.
As members we are entitled to further details. This is the transparency issue we have with the current board. Keep the toothless ferals in the dark lol
So why is it an issue now with this regime?
The figures have been presented the same way for decades
But now it's suddenly an issue and it's been casued by this board?
Sorry but no.
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So, U feel members aren't allowed to hold the current board accountable?
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No what? You don't want more info?
Regardless of which board did what, we should know the make up of our revenue streams. Seems they are basking in the glory of supporter funded income.
We still can't get clarification of our major sponsorship income FFS. Seems they'd prefer no one knows.
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So, U feel members aren't allowed to hold the current board accountable?
Of course not. Peggy and Benny saved our club and we should worship them. Without them it'll be chaos. That's all we need to know.
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While I understand your point and I do agree to a point I come back to the fact that they are presenting them as they are required to by law. Obviously internally all revenues like expenses would be categorised on line by line basis. But (and I know I keep saying the same thing) for the purposes of what they must legally publicly disclose they are meeting their obligations. This isn't something that only relates to this club or AFL other clubs do. This is common for large publicly listed companies = the disclose the barest of info.
Whether that is right or wrong is a separate discussion
I would be wrapt to see them give us more detail but as I said until they legally have to; they and I'd estimate a further 12 or AFL clubs wont
This is the very crux of what I was putting forward.
The difference between what is LEGALLY required compared to what is ETHICALLY required and more importantly what is Ethically BEST PRACTICE.
I note the final comments from Gleeson in today's Age.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-2016-richmond-tigers-stuff.html
"Clubs are member-based organisations and so the boards and their presidents – at all clubs – do well to remember they need to not only speak for the members they need to speak to them."
I think we've done this particular issue of finances to the point where we agree that while the financials are legal they are not as open and detailed as they could be given the above.
I would prefer we move on from a dead issue and discuss the other issues I raised.
things like cancelling the Fighting Tiger, failure of RFC Official posting, early board resignations and appointments, secret deliberations of the "Star Chamber" Nominations Committee and changes to it's format and processes, muddling of TFT and Jack Dyer in financials, even the re-signing of Hardwick and current personnel changes.
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No what? You don't want more info?
Regardless of which board did what, we should know the make up of our revenue streams. Seems they are basking in the glory of supporter funded income.
We still can't get clarification of our major sponsorship income FFS. Seems they'd prefer no one knows.
I've said I think there should be more detail but legally they dont have to
But you've been posting as if this is suddenly something this board has done, something they have created
It appears you raising it is another way to give them a whack
This is something that this club and other clubs have being doing for a very long time so to suggest it is only something that's happened recently is simply not true
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I'd like to see...
• Hardwick sacked
• The people who gave him a 2 year extension sacked
• The entire recruiting department sacked
Can anybody put some names next to the second dot point?
‘65
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Penny
Benny
Other assorted gimps
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I believe their "plan" involves keeping Hallfstep for at least a year to save money and surrounding him with "the best people", retain Richardson and just assume Neil Balme is going to join the club without even speaking to him.....but even if they didn't outline any "plan" at all, since when is the incumbents not having direction or a plan an excuse for the challengers not having one either? Now that's an "hilarious" premise....might've helped get the LNP into government but not for far more important things like running Richmond Football Club...
Of course it's not an excuse but you can't see how some of the people backing the current board and using the lack of a plan or vision to whack the challengers is funny at best? :lol
Oh and I wasn't just referring to the "focus on footy" ticket but also all the others recently, including that "anewgameplan" dude (his name escapes me). Seems to be the go to excuse to not want anyone new in but apparently the same criteria doesn't apply to our current board
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Whether that is right or wrong is a separate discussion
And I believe it's the discussion everyone's trying or wanting to have
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I'd like to see...
• Hardwick sacked
• The people who gave him a 2 year extension sacked
• The entire recruiting department sacked
Can anybody put some names next to the second dot point?
On your third point I'm a bit worried about throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
The following is something I posted on another forum.
I've been a long time critic of Richmond's recruiting.
However I think all this recent angst about our recruiting is a case of the latecomers getting it wrong as usual.
The recruiting in 2012 was barely acceptable - Vlastuin, McIntosh and McBean remain from our first 3 picks. McDonough, Petterd, Lonergan, Stephenson and Williams gone as well as Knights, Chaplin and Edwards as trades.
Our 2013 recruiting was just better - Lennon, Lloyd, Miles remain with Hampson as a trade. Gordon, Banfield and Thomas are gone.
In 2014 we have C Ellis, Menadue, Drummond, Butler, Short, Castagne, Lambert and Soldo showing good form while only McKenzie (mental affliction) and Arnot as late picks have gone. Agreed it's still early but good signs.
In 2015 we have all our picks showing some form excepting Yarran. Rioli, Markov, A Moore, Townsend and Marcon have played seniors already while Broad, C Moore and Choi are showing positive signs.
So what changed in 2014?
IMO 3 things.
1) There is more and maybe better data involved in decisions. Hartley has talked about a database of players comparing matures with juniors.
2) More collaborative decisions between staff. Adding Luke Williams after the 2013 draft has helped as well IMO.
3) Expanded scouting. While there is talk that a full timer has become part time there is also talk that we have more scouts out there.
Now I am happy to get away from FJ's "vibe" decisions like Dea and Conca but I think it still exists in mature players like Hunt, Yarran, Townsend and Moore but they wouldn't be his decisions but Hartley's.
As far as the pure recruiting department goes I would like to see Williams as the Recruitment Manager replacing Jackson.
Keep Jackson on as a part time recruiter in Melbourne since he's reached retirement age but why waste the experience when it seems to be well balanced at the moment.
Replace the now part timer with a full timer interstate and keep the part timer while adding to the scouting that seems to be happening.
The recruiting is being improved as can be seen by the results. Don't go all overboard when the results seem to be turning in recruitment.
The List Management is a whole other kettle of fish and will be judged rightly by the results that Hartley and Richardson can deliver at the end of the year.
Further to those points, what's really got me worried at the moment is that all the recruiting staff are under pressure to perform.
Will Richardson and Hartley's decisions in trade week be flavoured by the pressure they're under?
Will the recruiting team, particularly Jackson, be also influenced by that pressure?
With all the rampant talk at the moment about Vickery, Lennon, Conca, Lids and Jack it is truly scary.
Unless Gale steadies the ship in this area before the trade and draft periods we could be in for a time where our entire future is decided.
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player 20174, reece conca
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COACHING great Mick Malthouse has not been approached by the rival Richmond board ticket as he remains “staggered” by their plans.
Malthouse’s name had been linked with the “Focus on Football” group — which on Monday called for a spill of the Tigers’ board — in relation to the “CEO of football” position it wants to create if it wins power.
But he said while you would “never say never” about such a role, he doesn’t completely understand what the group is trying to achieve.
“I’m still a bit staggered at what they’re really after,” Malthouse said today.
“I’m trying to decipher what’s their main modus operandi in the challenge, because anyone who’s got Richmond blood in them wants them to do well. It appears they want them to do well but are looking at minimum changes.
“As far as that role goes, certainly they haven’t approached me. It’s one of those roles ... I don’t even know exactly what they’re after.
“You never say never, but you’ve got to see what it entails. Is it part-time, full-time, it is match day? I think until they get their agenda together and know exactly what they want, then no one is going to be really certain why the challenge is taking place.”
Malthouse, who holds the all-time games coached record, said he has been “bemused” by what has played out in recent days.
Mick Malthouse says the Richmond board challengers have not approached him about a role at the club. Picture: Tricia Watkinson
“We all wait to really see what is going to transpire,” he said on SEN.
“It doesn’t appear that they want anyone’s head outside of the board, and have already congratulated the board on getting the club turned around financially.
“I’m as bemused as most people at what they really want.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-board-challengers-are-refusing-to-back-down/news-story/7e77c03fd7e40f4cea538a1811ea2940
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But he said while you would “never say never” about such a role, he doesn’t completely understand what the group is trying to achieve.
“I’m still a bit staggered at what they’re really after,” Malthouse said today.
“I’m trying to decipher what’s their main modus operandi in the challenge, because anyone who’s got Richmond blood in them wants them to do well. It appears they want them to do well but are looking at minimum changes.
“It doesn’t appear that they want anyone’s head outside of the board, and have already congratulated the board on getting the club turned around financially.
“I’m as bemused as most people at what they really want.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-board-challengers-are-refusing-to-back-down/news-story/7e77c03fd7e40f4cea538a1811ea2940
FFS even grumpy old Mick can see it
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Senile old Mick.
talks about 5 different topics at the same time when he speaks.
SEN are regretting signing him on.
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Senile old Mick.
talks about 5 different topics at the same time when he speaks.
SEN are regrevtting signing him on.
Unfortunately Senile old Mick >>>>>>>Halfstep Derwood
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From The Age....
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-season-2016-fighting-fury--the-richmond-board-and-those-agitating-for-change-at-punt-road-20160905-gr92m2.html
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Not sure the rollercoaster group have shown their hand and mounted a challenge yet.
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Interesting times at Tigerland.
Monteath is the bloke running this in the background.
Bryan please just move along, you walked out on the RFC all those years ago for $$$$$
Phil Allison aghh please insert one Donald Trump.
Dr David Marsh is my personal GP, whom I have the utmost respect for.
But this whole overthrow the board business is just amateurish and boorish.
It's 2016 not 1976.
We the members will decide who screws our club over.
Change is overdue on the board and in the coaching, playing and development ranks.
Can't believe I haven't been here for a whole season of football, then again it was a fruitless exercise as we were abhorrent in style of play ( see coach and coaches).
The players stunk it up and should be footed up the backside for their pee weak actions.
I'm off O/S on Sunday let's hope something gets sorted, quick smart.
Oh and Neil Balme won't be at Tigerland from what I was told, never ever!!!
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does the roller coaster goup even have a hand to show, or are they just feet painters?
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Phil Allison is apparently the only one from the rebel group at the B&F tonight.
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Phil Allison is apparently the only one from the rebel group at the B&F tonight.
Phil gets a free ticket as part of his coterie membership, never misses
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Foot clubs. Lol
What a pack of wankers.
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K Sheedy here as well as an invited guest
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O’Neal, Gale yet to speak with spill leader
MICHAEL WARNER
Herald Sun
10 September 2016
RICHMOND president Peggy O’Neal has shouldered arms to two text messages and a phone call from spill leader Martin Hiscock.
The Melbourne cardiologist has also left a voice message with Tigers chief executive Brendon Gale, but is yet to receive a response as the club considers its options ahead of a likely October board election.
It also emerged on Friday that two members of the “Focus on Football” group, which launched its campaign to overthrow the Richmond board on Monday, only joined as Tigers members in recent weeks.
Former Tiger Rex Hunt was forced to abandon a run for the board in 2004 after it emerged he was not a paid-up member.
The group of seven challengers are seeking an urgent meeting with O’Neal in a bid to convince the majority of the current board to step aside.
Peggy O'Neal has not made contact with Martin Hiscock. Picture: AAP Images.
“Through Martin Hiscock, the Focus on Footy ticket has left messages for the Richmond Football Club president on three occasions this week seeking a meeting,” would-be Tigers board member Mag Kearney said.
“To date, all messages have gone unreturned. Martin also called and left a message for the Richmond CEO which has received the same treatment.
“For now, the group will persist with channelling its efforts through these formal channels seeking an audience with the president or the board, but obviously a time will come when we will need to consider an alternative approach.”
The alternative approach will involve the gathering of 100 member signatures (as required under the club constitution) and the forcing of an extraordinary general meeting.
The coup members have received independent legal advice and do not believe they will have to gather in the vicinity of 2000 signatures from an estimated 45,000 eligible club members as required under the Corporations Act.
An EGM would cost the Tigers about $100,000.
The Focus on Football plotters also want access to a report into Richmond’s internal operations compiled by accounting firm Ernst & Young.
Kearney, a former CEO of Clubs Victoria, signed up as a Richmond member last month but said she was a lifelong fan and MCC member. Fellow board challenger Ingrid Williams also became a member last month.
The rival ticket includes Richmond premiership players Bryan Wood and Bruce Monteath, former club doctor David Marsh and Philip Allison.
At least two of the seven plotters attended the club’s best and fairest count at Crown ca-sino on Thursday night.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/peggy-oneal-has-not-returned-messages-stuff/news-story/4b655a40716d8c0d3ae2374e4c8ce1e8
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Phil Allison is apparently the only one from the rebel group at the B&F tonight.
Or Mr Bubbles as I like to call him
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Just so I am clear the above article is stating as fact that:
That on this ticket of "influential, passionate, angry Richmond supporters" 2 of them have only become members in the last month.
With one of those 2 not even showing up at their launch last Monday.
But both of them club members for all of 1 month and as members of this ticket they are demanding to be gifted a seat on the Board of the RFC because their group is demanding the current board resign so they can take over?
Righteo then ::)
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How embarrassment!
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Infighting fury at Tigerland
Patrick Carlyon
Sunday Herald Sun
11th September 2016
BARRACKING for Richmond is the emotional equivalent of being waterboarded. One day, when the United Nations stumbles across the practice and tries to ban it on human rights grounds, some official report will cite the annual mewling ritual. Sometimes it begins in April, sometimes as late as September. It marks not only the surrender of hope, but the unbearable knowledge that the torture will go on.
The rise of Focus On Footy, a rival board ticket at Richmond, is no surprise. The optimism quotient for 2016 was higher at Punt Rd than any other time since Malcolm Fraser was prime minister. FOF’s choice of a boxing gym for its announcement seemed shrewd, an injection of doggedness for a club that last threw a punch in the era of Muhammad Ali. By every other measure, however, FOF took its cues from an African military coup.
The new ticket included two doctors — Dr Martin Hiscock, a cardiologist, and Dr David Marsh, who has letters after as well as before his name. FOF had a long list of complaints and a long list of targets. How the two would be bridged could not be explained. FOF had a new approach, apparently, to address Richmond’s rope-a-dope default.
But an endless stream of media interviews did not tease out FOF’s details.
Applied to a medical patient, the FOF pitch went something like this. Let us operate on the club. It’s not dying, and almost all the critical systems are best left alone. But we demand to cut it open and poke around. We will flush away the toxins introduced through the years, the poor recruiting choices (Richard Tambling instead of Lance Franklin, Aaron Fiora instead of Matthew Pavlich) that stymied the fullest use of your body. (Think of this the next time the doctor links any present-day ill to an old smoking or sugar habit.)
We might introduce this drug (Neil Balme) or that stent (Mick Malthouse). We won’t replace this organ (coach Damien Hardwick) or that system (chief executive Brendon Gale). But if we don’t like how something’s going, we may tinker. Then again, we may not.
Oh, by the way, we trust that your body will not violently reject the procedure. Resistance is no good for you and it’s an unnecessary bother for us. If our fiddling doesn’t work, don’t worry. After our marathon spell of surgery (nine years), we’ll hand over to another set of specialists.
Please sign here, here and here.
If the opening statements left plenty of unanswered questions, the follow-up media interviews invited more. On radio last week, Hiscock explained that he had not spoken to Balme, Malthouse or current president Peggy O’Neal. It seems FOF had done less homework than a Kevin Rudd election promise. Yet, like Rudd, Hiscock blazed with Napoleonic vision.
Tigers stuff Alex Rance ends a game flat on his back, exhausted and frustrated.
The course was clear (except for the details). The new board would oversee gameplan strategies, which sounds a bit like hospital executives telling surgeons to stick scalpels in left legs instead of right.
Under his plan, Hiscock’s seven members would be in and the existing board out. It wasn’t all bad news for them — they could reapply for the two remaining board spots. He hoped for no blood, he said without irony, and a “smooth transition”.
Hiscock was delightfully pompous. This Richmond fan has never met him. But has a specialist ever kept you waiting forever, then never threatened to call you by your name? Have his eyes glazed over at the first sign that you have questions in response to the spiel that just reduced your being to an incomprehensible horror show?
Hiscock is your man for the poorly understood links between transient ischaemic attack and patent foramen ovale. Cardiologists hold people’s futures in their grasp; patients understandably bathe them in gratitude. Both Hiscock and Marsh are doctors of the highest reputation. But they weren’t at their strongest in explaining why their footy club would be better than O’Neal’s.
“Of course we would consider some of the recent appointees …” Hiscock said, sounding like a doctor advising against drinking, pizza, or any other vice that brightens life.
Or an assortment of football club board folks over the decades, long used to the sound of their own voice but untrained in the power of persuasion outside their own domain.
A media commentator summed up FOF as “amateur hour”. Someone likened it to pub talk. Its outraged tone was warming to generations of Richmond fans, but it lacked the usual handbrakes of logic and reason — and the sort of fellow drinkers who compare half-baked ideas with Angry Anderson’s 1991 Grand Final effort.
Here was just another power play. Like the storming of the Bastille in 1789 and the Night of Long Knives in Canberra in 2010. If it was Fidel Castro, it was also Richmond: in 1986, when (fleeting) club president Alan Bond wanted to relocate his pet team to Brisbane; or the following year, when the club could afford to pay only two-thirds of the salary cap: or a few weeks ago, when Richmond surrendered a massive three-quarter time lead to Geelong.
For Tiger fans, it’s just another flicker of chaos. Theirs is a permanent crouch, in part to pre-empt the sniggers of other fans. They are “others”, to be treated with sympathy and disdain, as if they suffer chronic disease and vote One Nation. They know the club’s cultural failings, and its flair for defeat, are self-fulfilling loops.
Even if they scoff at Hardwick’s “we won’t be rushed” statement on Thursday, they also recognise the same-old masquerading as new-and-improved.
The Richmond glitch no longer resides just in poor performances but in the club’s response to them. A call to panic is common after a Richmond season: it’s happened more years than not in the past 35.
Criticisms of past judgments are justified and easy. But change for change’s sake doesn’t work.
FOF represents just another anthem without a beat, another triumph of frustration that arises when logic — burdened with the twin handicaps of humility and patience — seems too hard.
Boardroom brawls won’t win games and they don’t build clubs.
Imagine if a doctor treated a patient the same way.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/patrick-carlyon/boardroom-brawls-will-not-solve-problems-at-richmond-football-club/news-story/665274af14a5c97dea115dec8eaae653
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Also from Today's HUN (11 sept 2016)
Confirmation that Balme has been spoken to by the current board not the challengers....geez you hope Monday's cirucs hasn't stuffed things for the RFC >:(
Any way from page 80 Ando's Shout column
"Word reached this desk that NEIL BALME, that man everbody wanted bar the police earlier in the week, did soeak with a Richmond group regarding the possibility of him working with Dan Richardson, who is currently rhw General Manager of Football.
The problem for the rebel naord ticket is Balme spoke with the incumbents, who remain hopeful of lurong him from Collingwood"
Further to this Jake Niall reported something similar on Fox Sports last Monday
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/richmond-plans-to-revamp-its-football-department-countering-focus-on-footy-board-spill-group/news-story/6a537e1295035c317076147b256634cf
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Infighting fury at Tigerland
Patrick Carlyon
Sunday Herald Sun
11th September 2016
BARRACKING for Richmond is the emotional equivalent of being waterboarded. One day, when the United Nations stumbles across the practice and tries to ban it on human rights grounds, some official report will cite the annual mewling ritual. Sometimes it begins in April, sometimes as late as September. It marks not only the surrender of hope, but the unbearable knowledge that the torture will go on.
The rise of Focus On Footy, a rival board ticket at Richmond, is no surprise. The optimism quotient for 2016 was higher at Punt Rd than any other time since Malcolm Fraser was prime minister. FOF’s choice of a boxing gym for its announcement seemed shrewd, an injection of doggedness for a club that last threw a punch in the era of Muhammad Ali. By every other measure, however, FOF took its cues from an African military coup.
The new ticket included two doctors — Dr Martin Hiscock, a cardiologist, and Dr David Marsh, who has letters after as well as before his name. FOF had a long list of complaints and a long list of targets. How the two would be bridged could not be explained. FOF had a new approach, apparently, to address Richmond’s rope-a-dope default.
But an endless stream of media interviews did not tease out FOF’s details.
Applied to a medical patient, the FOF pitch went something like this. Let us operate on the club. It’s not dying, and almost all the critical systems are best left alone. But we demand to cut it open and poke around. We will flush away the toxins introduced through the years, the poor recruiting choices (Richard Tambling instead of Lance Franklin, Aaron Fiora instead of Matthew Pavlich) that stymied the fullest use of your body. (Think of this the next time the doctor links any present-day ill to an old smoking or sugar habit.)
We might introduce this drug (Neil Balme) or that stent (Mick Malthouse). We won’t replace this organ (coach Damien Hardwick) or that system (chief executive Brendon Gale). But if we don’t like how something’s going, we may tinker. Then again, we may not.
Oh, by the way, we trust that your body will not violently reject the procedure. Resistance is no good for you and it’s an unnecessary bother for us. If our fiddling doesn’t work, don’t worry. After our marathon spell of surgery (nine years), we’ll hand over to another set of specialists.
Please sign here, here and here.
If the opening statements left plenty of unanswered questions, the follow-up media interviews invited more. On radio last week, Hiscock explained that he had not spoken to Balme, Malthouse or current president Peggy O’Neal. It seems FOF had done less homework than a Kevin Rudd election promise. Yet, like Rudd, Hiscock blazed with Napoleonic vision.
Tigers stuff Alex Rance ends a game flat on his back, exhausted and frustrated.
The course was clear (except for the details). The new board would oversee gameplan strategies, which sounds a bit like hospital executives telling surgeons to stick scalpels in left legs instead of right.
Under his plan, Hiscock’s seven members would be in and the existing board out. It wasn’t all bad news for them — they could reapply for the two remaining board spots. He hoped for no blood, he said without irony, and a “smooth transition”.
Hiscock was delightfully pompous. This Richmond fan has never met him. But has a specialist ever kept you waiting forever, then never threatened to call you by your name? Have his eyes glazed over at the first sign that you have questions in response to the spiel that just reduced your being to an incomprehensible horror show?
Hiscock is your man for the poorly understood links between transient ischaemic attack and patent foramen ovale. Cardiologists hold people’s futures in their grasp; patients understandably bathe them in gratitude. Both Hiscock and Marsh are doctors of the highest reputation. But they weren’t at their strongest in explaining why their footy club would be better than O’Neal’s.
“Of course we would consider some of the recent appointees …” Hiscock said, sounding like a doctor advising against drinking, pizza, or any other vice that brightens life.
Or an assortment of football club board folks over the decades, long used to the sound of their own voice but untrained in the power of persuasion outside their own domain.
A media commentator summed up FOF as “amateur hour”. Someone likened it to pub talk. Its outraged tone was warming to generations of Richmond fans, but it lacked the usual handbrakes of logic and reason — and the sort of fellow drinkers who compare half-baked ideas with Angry Anderson’s 1991 Grand Final effort.
Here was just another power play. Like the storming of the Bastille in 1789 and the Night of Long Knives in Canberra in 2010. If it was Fidel Castro, it was also Richmond: in 1986, when (fleeting) club president Alan Bond wanted to relocate his pet team to Brisbane; or the following year, when the club could afford to pay only two-thirds of the salary cap: or a few weeks ago, when Richmond surrendered a massive three-quarter time lead to Geelong.
For Tiger fans, it’s just another flicker of chaos. Theirs is a permanent crouch, in part to pre-empt the smans of other fans. They are “others”, to be treated with sympathy and disdain, as if they suffer chronic disease and vote One Nation. They know the club’s cultural failings, and its flair for defeat, are self-fulfilling loops.
Even if they scoff at Hardwick’s “we won’t be rushed” statement on Thursday, they also recognise the same-old masquerading as new-and-improved.
The Richmond glitch no longer resides just in poor performances but in the club’s response to them. A call to panic is common after a Richmond season: it’s happened more years than not in the past 35.
Criticisms of past judgments are justified and easy. But change for change’s sake doesn’t work.
FOF represents just another anthem without a beat, another triumph of frustration that arises when logic — burdened with the twin handicaps of humility and patience — seems too hard.
Boardroom brawls won’t win games and they don’t build clubs.
Imagine if a doctor treated a patient the same way.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/patrick-carlyon/boardroom-brawls-will-not-solve-problems-at-richmond-football-club/news-story/665274af14a5c97dea115dec8eaae653
One of the best opinion pieces on this whole saga. Hard to argue with most of it
Blinkers off it hits the mark
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Must admit that I'm embarrassed with Marty Hiscock (and to a lesser extent Morris).
Highly educated and intelligent, they've come across as being way out of their depth when it comes to strategic manoeuvring in the football world.
What were they thinking?
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Must admit that I'm embarrassed with Marty Hiscock (and to a lesser extent Morris).
Highly educated and intelligent, they've come across as being way out of their depth when it comes to strategic manoeuvring in the football world.
What were they thinking?
I guess they, like all of us, are just fed up with being poo.
But they want to keep Dumma :lol :rollin :facepalm
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Must admit that I'm embarrassed with Marty Hiscock (and to a lesser extent Morris).
Highly educated and intelligent, they've come across as being way out of their depth when it comes to strategic manoeuvring in the football world.
What were they thinking?
I guess they, like all of us, are just fed up with being poo.
But they want to keep Dumma :lol :rollin :facepalm
Actually that isn't true. He said he was told we can't afford to sack Dimma because of total FD spending restrictions. Otherwise he would have been number one target by the group.
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I thought it was pee poor for Benny to apply for afl job
Heart is not in it
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According to Barrett last night, after two weeks of asking for a meeting with O'Neal and members of the current Board and finally getting offered one, the Focus on Footy group cancelled it 45 minutes before it was about start leaving members of the current Board hanging around for nothing.
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Don't get ahead of yourselves.
Regardless of what happens, the current board is a stuffn sham who are now using a failed challenge
to make themselves look good. Lol..farcical
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Don't get ahead of yourselves.
Regardless of what happens, the current board is a stuffn sham who are now using a failed challenge
to make themselves look good. Lol..farcical
In the land of the blind - the one eyed man is king!
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Don't get ahead of yourselves.
Regardless of what happens, the current board is a stuffn sham who are now using a failed challenge
to make themselves look good. Lol..farcical
Shuffling the deck chairs
On field and off
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Don't get ahead of yourselves.
Regardless of what happens, the current board is a stuffn sham who are now using a failed challenge
to make themselves look good. Lol..farcical
Yes Ox now the silent majority will continue saying how fantastic the incompetents are.
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Don't get ahead of yourselves.
Regardless of what happens, the current board is a stuffn sham who are now using a failed challenge
to make themselves look good. Lol..farcical
Perfect post :thumbsup
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Focus on footy group are literally a laughing stock :lol
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Focus on footy group are literally a laughing stock :lol
:yep
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Focus on footy group are literally a laughing stock :lol
Well most media experts did say they are pretty much the same as the current board with no point of difference, so you could well be correct.
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Focus on footy group are literally a laughing stock :lol
Well most media experts did say they are pretty much the same as the current board with no point of difference, so you could well be correct.
This
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Focus on footy group are literally a laughing stock :lol
Well most media experts did say they are pretty much the same as the current board with no point of difference, so you could well be correct.
:rollin
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All quiet :snidegrin must have run out of tickets. Someone print some up for them :lol
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All quiet :snidegrin must have run out of tickets. Someone print some up for them :lol
You and Jack start one up
Harry and Lloyd can eat their hearts out
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Focus on footy group are literally a laughing stock :lol
Well most media experts did say they are pretty much the same as the current board with no point of difference, so you could well be correct.
What? Haven't the media been making fun of them for weeks while sticking up for the incumbents?
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Well they're now trying a completely different tack.
From @superfooty
Richmond rebels change tune on coach Damien Hardwick https://t.co/Cj671PGnxe https://t.co/wDcA8jgKrw
Unfortunately I can't post the article because it is now subscriber only content. Did read it before I lost access to it.
BTW the article doesn't actually say they will sack him, just that if they do they will personally pay him out :shakeshead :huh3
They are also meeting O'Neal & Gale tomorrow
I personally have to thank them, after reading quotes from a woman who has been a member less than a month and now is demanding to be gifted a seat on the board it makes my voting decision very easy
Out of 7, there is only 1 I'd consider voting for
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Richmond powerbrokers to meet with Focus on Football board challengers
MICHAEL WARNER,
Herald Sun
an hour ago
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THE Richmond rebels will personally pay out coach Damien Hardwick’s $1 million-plus contract if they gain power and determine he must be sacked.
Fifteen days after the coup was launched, Tigers president Peggy O’Neal and chief executive Brendon Gale have agreed to meet spill leader Martin Hiscock and his deputy Mag Kearney at a city law firm at 9am on Tuesday.
The Focus on Football ticket will formally request that the Richmond board step aside or trigger a November club election.
“The current board has its hands tied with respect to Damien, having entered into a binding contract with him until the end of 2018,” lawyer Kearney told the Herald Sun.
“We will work with Neil Balme and Co to give Richmond every chance for footy success.
“However, working closely with the football department, we will set new performance measures for Damien, hold Damien accountable to these and, if required, provide the necessary funding to release him from the club, if he is unable to meet these measures.”
Hardwick’s contract was extended for a further two years in March. His deal is believed to be worth about $600,000 a season.
The payout would come from the pockets of the seven challengers or from funds raised by the group.
We will set new performance measures for Damien, hold Damien accountable to these and, if required, provide the necessary funding to release him from the club.
Kearney conceded the ticket’s stance on Hardwick had shifted since the club unveiled a series of changes to the football department last week.
Hiscock said when the board challenge was announced: “Damien has a two-year contract with us and we would like him to stay. We will build a strong and supportive team around him and that will involve a CEO of football.”
Balme has since been installed above Dan Richardson as Richmond football boss with other changes made in recruiting, list management and strength and conditioning.
“We have the people behind us to trigger at EGM — but we are holding off until we have had a meaningful discussion with the Richmond board,” Kearney said.
“The club is in serious trouble with primarily the same board in place. We are still calling for a reasonable spill of the board to rejuvenate the club.
“Currently, the club is chaos. If we don’t get change at the top, chaos will continue in 2017 — and beyond. We have a vision, plan and solution.”
The rebel ticket says it is prepared to retain two existing Richmond board members.
Both groups agree an extraordinary general meeting can be called under the terms of the club constitution by the gathering of 100 member signatures.
The calling of an EGM would effectively trigger a 35-day election campaign with members eligible to vote in person or by proxy.
The Focus on Football group also includes 1980 premiership players Bryan Wood and Bruce Monteath, former club doctor David Marsh, Phillip Allison and Ingrid Williams.
Hiscock is a cardiologist and Kearney a former chief executive of Clubs Victoria.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-powerbrokers-to-meet-with-focus-on-football-board-challengers/news-story/7b5677900e3ed23d1bb37b3026c6936a
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My thoughts:
This move smacks of desperation.
His contract still contributes to the off-field cap (whatever you call it), so we'd have to pay a lot of assistants peanuts in order to get a decent coach.
I would hope they have a process already in action if this were the case; who comes in and coaches this team when Hardwick is ousted?
This hurts our trading capabilities; Prestia could pull out with a sudden change of coach.
We're already behind searching for perspective coaches. Brisbane would have likely made crucial decisions and had mechanisms in process well before Leppa was announced as gone.
I don't want Hardwick coaching next year, but unfortunately I think its almost unavoidable at this stage.
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This is my take
There are 7 people on this ticket
1 of them I know and he's been trying to get himself on the board board for a number of years now. At no time has this bloke had the courage to actually nominate for the board. He has always wanted to be gifted a seat. Knowing him and having watched him try and get himself on the board, there is no way in good conscience I could vote for him
The 2 women on their ticket, this ticket of influential and passionate Richmond people remember, well the 2 ladies have only been members for just over 1 month. That's passipn right there dont you think?
One of the ladies wasn't even present at their launch. Great message right there
Bryan Wood walked out on our club. In his handful of media gigs representing this ticket he has mumbled and bumbled his way through answering questions.
Bruce Monteath has been angling to get on the board since 2014. Funny thing about our last premeiership captain in that he only puts his hand up when he deems things as being negative. He last "agitated" when we were what was it 3-10 in 2014 and then once we made the finals he disappeared.
Then there is their leader the good Dr Hiscock. Well he lost me when he on behalf of his ticket took credit for the Balme appointment. When they had absolutely nothong to do with it. When in actaul fact they almost stuffed it up with their grand statements at their embarrassing launch
Which leaves the other good Doctor; Dr Marsh. I've met Doc Marsh a few times and I like him, know he loves the club so I'd seriously think about voting for him
The rest of this group - absolutely no way
I want change on the board but this group isnt the answer from where i sit.
They say they have a vision and a plan. But outside of saying they will tell the coach what the game plan must be, what players we should Draft, trade and get via FA they actaully havent given us a plan.
They have actually only spoken about things that quite frankly they shouldn't have input in. Game plans, recruiting isn't the boards main role. Outside of OKing large contracts, trading away a frist round pick, recruiting isn't the domain of a board.
outside of telling us they supposedly have deep pockets, they havent told us how they intend to increase sponsorship, how they are going to fund they extra $$$ they intend to put into footy.
I've said this before and I expect to get whacked for saying it but there is more to being a director of a footy club than saying things members want to hear. A lot more, sadly this Focus on Football group have failed miserably in showing they understand that
Just my take
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Well said WP. My thoughts exactly.
Time for the ticket to be out to bed. It seems more of a power and control thing. They have no vision and are changing to suit what they think will be favourable to members to get votes.
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Anyone that will sack Halfwit gets my vote.
He doesn't deserve to keep his job after the job he has done IMO.
Even when we were winning games it was pretty average footy. Falling across the line against bottom teams too often.
There has been about 4 really good wins against tops sides in 5 years.
Not good enough.
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About time someone is willing to sack the dud. And out of their own pockets also. perhaps Peg and Benny can reach into their pockets if they want to clear their mess.
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Personally want Hardwick gone but with Balme and the assistants linked. I think I'd prefer the current regime over this bumbling mess with no coach. Who is available to get that the focus on footy group could get?
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Jason Dunstall slams Focus on Football group challenging Richmond’s board, Damien Hardwick’s future
Anna Harrington
Foxsports
20th September 2016
AFL legend Jason Dunstall has slammed the ‘Focus on Football’ group challenging Richmond’s board as “laughable”.
The Herald Sun reported on Monday that the group is prepared to personally pay out the final two years of Damien Hardwick’s contract if its board spill is successful and the coach fails to meet particular targets.
The group had previously said it would look to retain Hardwick as coach.
Dunstall said the group’s shifting plans made it difficult to see how the board challenge would gain traction.
“This is genuinely becoming laughable, isn’t it,” Dunstall said on Fox Footy’s On the Couch.
“I mean, they don’t have a platform.”
“First up, it was ‘keep the coach and we’ll tell the coach how to play — that’s if we can’t get Neil Balme’, who they didn’t get because he was already being got (by the current board).”
“Now it’s ‘oh we’ll get rid of the coach if we decide he has to go.’
“I’m struggling to see how they can gain any traction.”
The ‘Focus on Football’ group launched its bid to challenge the board on September 5.
The ticket is led by cardiologist Dr Martin Hiscock and comprises of seven people.
The other members are former Richmond players Bruce Monteath and Bryan Wood, Phillip Allison, Margaret Kearney, Dr David Marsh OAM and Ingrid Williams.
The ticket ran on a basis of the Tigers currently being “35 years into a five-year plan” and focused on overhauling the team’s game plan and recruiting.
The group had previously said they planned to keep Hardwick but wanted to install a “chief executive of football”, with Neil Balme considered the ideal option.
That plan appeared to have been scattered when the current administration appointed Balme as its general manager of football as part of a football department restructure.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/jason-dunstall-slams-focus-on-football-group/news-story/32c07a67e5b030c54760208406331140
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Anyone that will sack Halfwit gets my vote.
He doesn't deserve to keep his job after the job he has done IMO.
Even when we were winning games it was pretty average footy. Falling across the line against bottom teams too often.
There has been about 4 really good wins against tops sides in 5 years.
Not good enough.
About time someone is willing to sack the dud. And out of their own pockets also. perhaps Peg and Benny can reach into their pockets if they want to clear their mess.
I'll vote for who'll-ever sack him right now, not halfway through next year...
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I want change on the board but this group isnt the answer from where i sit.
What changes might this be exactly?
I've asked you this before and you may have already answered, but tell us why you would vote to maintain the current members as opposed to who you wouldn't vote for.
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Agree with WP, cannot sack Hardwick.
Better for him to be puppet coach with 2-3 assistants, one of whom will be given the nod at atime to be determined.
Now is nor the time for rash knee jerk decisions and board challenges.
For mine, the constitution of 100 members able to call an election should be ramped up considerably. (5000 at least)
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I want change on the board but this group isnt the answer from where i sit.
What changes might this be exactly?
I've asked you this before and you may have already answered, but tell us why you would vote to maintain the current members as opposed to who you wouldn't vote for.
I have answered this go back and have look rather than making your stock standard assumptions about what i would or wouldn't do or what I think or dpnt think
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No pretty sure you generalised about the current regime, so let's discuss who you would keep and why much like you have done with the focus stooges.
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As much as I would love to vote to get rid of Hardwick, and I think with the FOF clowns he would be gone but they are seriously out of their depth
The doctor now wants to keep Peggy, Fail and Dimwit for the time being. Gee wiz
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As much as I would love to vote to get rid of Hardwick, and I think with the FOF clowns he would be gone but they are seriously out of their depth
The doctor now wants to keep Peggy, Fail and Dimwit for the time being. Gee wiz
Actually in the space of 5 minutes on SEN he said
Dimma would coach in 2017, that hasn't changed
Next breath said he would be sacked if he didn't meet certain criteria but not necessarily wins and loss
We have no game plan but he isn't sure if that's the coach's fault, player's or assistants
Cotchin should not be captain but wouldn't say who should be
If we were 2-8 after 10 rounds next year but we had shown some effort in performance had a decent game style and lost say 4 games by less than a kick Dimma stays
stuff Leach showed him up for the goose he is
He prattled on about some other stuff, including there will be an EGM if they don't get their way but that's all about timing
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Plenty of candidates out there ready to take over from this imposter who said he leave if we stopped improving.
After 7 years of the poo I've watched Hardwick dish up they'll have my vote if they say he's gone immediately.
Its time to aim higher than 7th place people.
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I can't wait to see what they are going to do next week. ;D
Seriously, this group is so disorganized, they make the incumbents look like the greatest board of all time. That's not what we want or need.
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Good on Hiscock for keeping sack hardwick on the agenda and in the media. Keep up the pressure.
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Where can I sign this ticket???
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Good on Hiscock for keeping sack hardwick on the agenda and in the media. Keep up the pressure.
Yep
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The 'rebel' (who came up with this term...) group is like trump
Might be stupid flogs
Yet still better than the other option.
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The lesser group is like trump
Might be stupid flogs
Yet still better than the other option.
Rather ruthless flogs with ambition than timid incompetents. People were calling Gordon a flog when he made some tough calls.
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Agreed
The club Is extracting the urine with the Hampson / grigg / Houli contract extensions
Viva revolution.
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Doc made more sense in that interview than Peggy and co ever have. Leach was behaving like a histerical teenager during the interview. Trying to be a Blobbo or Caro and failed miserably.
Most interesting parts of the interview were when he said the players didn't get along with Lade so why did he get offered another year then Benny!!!! Also said that Hardwick has been telling people he is a dead man walking. If that's the case he has to go
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Leach is the king of the flogs
Absolute wanker
He knows parts the game somewhat but he often has crap coming out of his mouth. His begging for the drug cheatin saga to go away for whatever reason had in his mind was hilarious
It's good the ball bounced away from Milne ...
Back flips all the time. Loves gws now lol
Like a teenage girl taking positions to suit his own ever changing whims
Hardly a surprise he's a poor choice for impartial moderator
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Francis 'the flog' Leach he will now be referred to as. Obviously forgot his med's this morning
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as much as i dislike dimwit and the rest of his yes men i have to say that voting for these clowns who werent even members until a month ago is pretty pathetic.
adding to that the desire to keep peggy sue, fail and dimwit doesnt fill me with any more confidence than the current duds we have.
That being said the fact they are putting dimwits head on notice leads me to vote for them.
At the end of the day i'm sure most will agree we are truly stuffed with either lets be honest, until the head dud and his recruiters are sacked.
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Good on Hiscock for keeping sack hardwick on the agenda and in the media. Keep up the pressure.
Good on Hisballs as well
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No pretty sure you generalised about the current regime, so let's discuss who you would keep and why much like you have done with the focus stooges.
I would have thought stating the only person I'd currently vote is Simon Wallace because he is the only person going about it the right way, who has clear platform makes it clear
Or did you conveniently miss that ::)
Actually you don't need to answer
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Francis 'the flog' Leach he will now be referred to as. Obviously forgot his med's this morning
So Leach is a flog for asking some tough questions that some of us want answered?
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Where can I sign this ticket???
torch, you dont sign anything you simply vote
As a member you will be contacted and you get to vote
Though when that will be who knows as the good Doctor said this morning that the timing of the EGM they intend to call needs to worked in with a number,ber of things eg sponsorship deals, trade period draft etc.
Seems the good Doctor and his team want all the Board and Admin stuff done by the incumbents, which makes you wonder (again) what exactly are they bringing to the table?
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Francis 'the flog' Leach he will now be referred to as. Obviously forgot his med's this morning
So Leach is a flog for asking some tough questions that some of us want answered?
No he's a flog for getting hysterical and not giving the the Doc a chance to answer a question before being attacked. Anyone can conduct an interview like that. He is meant to be professional not carry on like a tool.
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Francis 'the flog' Leach he will now be referred to as. Obviously forgot his med's this morning
So Leach is a flog for asking some tough questions that some of us want answered?
No he's a flog for getting hysterical and not giving the the Doc a chance to answer a question before being attacked. Anyone can conduct an interview like that. He is meant to be professional not carry on like a tool.
Disagree
I'd attack to if you are flip floppijg on every answer like he did
How hard is to answer what the KPIs are going to be?
He couldn't, went as far as to say it wasnt up to him but at the same time reckons his group should have a say in the style of footy the team plays. Then says that it won't be about wins or losses, it will be about a number of things, including close losses.
Says they support Hardwick but in the next breath says we don't have a game plan. Well which is it exactly?
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I can't wait to see what they are going to do next week. ;D
Seriously, this group is so disorganized, they make the incumbents look like the greatest board of all time. That's not what we want or need.
Have to wonder what and how this PR group they've hired is advising them. Because they just seem to be getting some crap advice
I thought after the season from hell we couldn't become a bigger laughing stock than we were after round 23. How wrong was I? We are bigger laughing stock now, thanks to this mob
I get that people are angry but seriously all we are getting from them is statements people want to hear, nothing of any great substance, just comments to appease people
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I am no fan of the FOF group given their major stuff ups early day and some shocking interviews from Wood. However, Leach is a knob.
If he wants to ask tough questions that I want answered then why doesn't he ask Benny, Peggy or Richo why the hell Hardwicks contract was extended by 2 years with no performance clauses? Why wasn't Lade sacked when the players hate him? Why wasn't Hartley and Richo sacked for not doing due diligence on the Yarran trade beforehand? Why didn't we target a proven recruiter instead of replacing Francis with an underling that has been there 7 years? Then go on the attack when all he gets back is pathetic spin.......because he is a gutless that's why
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’We’re coming as friends’: Rebel Tigers
MICHAEL WARNER, LAUREN WOOD
Herald Sun
20th September2016
THE group challenging Richmond’s board wants current president Peggy O’Neal as part of its structure should it be successful in overthrowing the club’s directors.
The Focus on Football ticket is meeting with O’Neal and Tigers chief executive Brendon Gale at a city law firm this morning, with leader Martin Hiscock hitting the airwaves prior to the meeting this morning, affirming his belief that the team has no game plan and the wrong captain in Trent Cotchin.
But, despite launching the rival ticket two weeks ago with the title of “president designate”, Hiscock now says it won’t be all change at the top should the group be successful, declaring he will endeavour to keep O’Neal as part of the club’s stuff.
“We’re coming as friends. This is an olive branch,” he said of today’s meeting.
“We don’t want to have to go to an EGM. We don’t want to drag this on.
“She will be (part of our plans). I don’t think it’s right to depose the president.”
It emerged today that the rebel group will personally pay out coach Damien Hardwick’s $1 million contract should they gain power and decide he needs to be sacked next season.
Hardwick will have “performance criteria”, Hiscock said, claiming the coach has described his fate as imminent.
Focus on Football team (from left) David Marsh, Philip Allison, Margaret Kearney, Martin Hiscock, Bruce Monteath and Bryan Wood launch their board challenge.
“Damien’s already said ‘I’m a dead man walking’. People have told me that,” Hiscock told SEN.
“We don’t think so. We would like to build that support around him and see how he goes. We’ve said that from the word go, that he’ll be there next year.
“But he will have performance criteria, and if he doesn’t meet those criteria at a certain stage during the year, the football department directors and (football manager) Neil Balme will make a decision on whether he goes or not.
“Everyone will agree that Richmond has had very little game plan. No, it’s not insane (to say that). It’s not insane at all. It’s quite clear that there is no game plan. Whether it’s his fault, or the players fault or the assistant coaches ... don’t forget five have been sacked.
“We want him to be the coach next year. We’ll build the team around him. There’ll be five assistant coaches that come into the club — things can change, and we’re giving him that opportunity.
“Who wants another year like we had this year? No one wants that.”
Fifteen days after the coup was launched, O’Neal and Gale have agreed to meet Hiscock and his deputy Mag Kearney at a city law firm.
“The current board has its hands tied with respect to Damien, having entered into a binding contract with him until the end of 2018,” lawyer Kearney told the Herald Sun on Monday.
“We will work with Neil Balme and Co to give Richmond every chance for footy success.
“However, working closely with the football department, we will set new performance measures for Damien, hold Damien accountable to these and, if required, provide the necessary funding to release him from the club, if he is unable to meet these measures.”
Hardwick’s contract was extended for a further two years in March. His deal is believed to be worth about $600,000 a season.
The payout would come from the pockets of the seven challengers or from funds raised by the group.
We will set new performance measures for Damien, hold Damien accountable to these and, if required, provide the necessary funding to release him from the club.
Kearney conceded the ticket’s stance on Hardwick had shifted since the club unveiled a series of changes to the football department last week.
Hiscock said when the board challenge was announced: “Damien has a two-year contract with us and we would like him to stay. We will build a strong and supportive team around him and that will involve a CEO of football.”
Balme has since been installed above Dan Richardson as Richmond football boss with other changes made in recruiting, list management and strength and conditioning.
“We have the people behind us to trigger at EGM — but we are holding off until we have had a meaningful discussion with the Richmond board,” Kearney said.
“The club is in serious trouble with primarily the same board in place. We are still calling for a reasonable spill of the board to rejuvenate the club.
“Currently, the club is chaos. If we don’t get change at the top, chaos will continue in 2017 — and beyond. We have a vision, plan and solution.”
The rebel ticket says it is prepared to retain two existing Richmond board members.
Both groups agree an extraordinary general meeting can be called under the terms of the club constitution by the gathering of 100 member signatures.
The calling of an EGM would effectively trigger a 35-day election campaign with members eligible to vote in person or by proxy.
The Focus on Football group also includes 1980 premiership players Bryan Wood and Bruce Monteath, former club doctor David Marsh, Phillip Allison and Ingrid Williams.
Hiscock is a cardiologist and Kearney a former chief executive of Clubs Victoria.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-powerbrokers-to-meet-with-focus-on-football-board-challengers/news-story/7b5677900e3ed23d1bb37b3026c6936a
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Challengers' 'olive branch' to Tigers board
Nathan Schmook
afl.com.au
September 20, 2016 1:22 PM
RICHMOND challengers Focus on Footy are hopeful they will not need to force an extraordinary general meeting to win seats on the board after holding "productive" talks with the club.
President Peggy O'Neal and CEO Brendon Gale met with representatives of the rebel group, including Dr Martin Hiscock, at a Melbourne law firm on Tuesday morning.
After a long struggle to meet with the Tigers, Focus on Footy had the chance to mount their case for a board handover directly to O'Neal and Gale and were not rebuffed on the spot.
"At what was a positive meeting, we reiterated our view that it was time for new and re-energised thinking at Richmond," Hiscock said in a statement.
"They are going to think about what we said and see whether there is a way to address our concerns without the need for an EGM."
Focus on Footy launched their campaign on September 5 and have kept the threat of an EGM alive if they are unable to gain seats on the board in an orderly handover.
Under Richmond's constitution they would require just 100 member signatures to trigger an EGM.
Hiscock said Tuesday's meeting was an "olive branch, not a concession" to the club, which needed to change.
"We believe this starts with changing the board. Many of the current board members have been there for too long," he said.
"We have to do something. We don’t want to wake up in 15 years time and say we should have done something before it became half a century since our last premiership."
Earlier on Tuesday, Hiscock reiterated the group's position that coach Damien Hardwick would be coach in 2017 under their regime, but with performance criteria.
"If he doesn't meet those criteria at a certain stage during the year the football department, directors and Neil Balme will make a decision as to whether he goes or not," Hiscock said on SEN.
"We'd like to build that support around him and see how he goes … I've said that from the word go that he'll be there next year."
Hiscock's deputy, lawyer Mag Kearney, told News Corporation that the group would "provide the necessary funding to release [Hardwick] from the club" if new performance measures weren't met in 2017.
Hardwick is contracted until the end of 2018 after signing a two-year extension at the start of this year.
"The club will do the same thing, don't get me wrong. Who wants another two years of what we saw this year? No one wants that," Hiscock said.
"We have to see more spirited performances and we have to see a better game-plan."
Hiscock would not disclose how many seats on the Richmond board Focus on Footy was requesting, but the group would not seek to "depose the president".
He said the group would work around sensitive periods for the club, like the NAB AFL Draft, if it did force an extraordinary general meeting.
After making newly installed football manager Balme a key part of their pitch 15 days ago, Hiscock said the group had "got a wink" from Balme.
"That's why we went ahead with our launch. That's fine that he took the path of least resistance, he's where we want him."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-09-20/richmond-challengers-offer-olive-branch-to-board
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Good on Hiscock for keeping sack hardwick on the agenda and in the media. Keep up the pressure.
Good on Hisballs as well
lol hopefully hiscock keeps poking and prodding
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I am no fan of the FOF group given their major stuff ups early day and some shocking interviews from Wood. However, Leach is a knob.
If he wants to ask tough questions that I want answered then why doesn't he ask Benny, Peggy or Richo why the hell Hardwicks contract was extended by 2 years with no performance clauses? Why wasn't Lade sacked when the players hate him? Why wasn't Hartley and Richo sacked for not doing due diligence on the Yarran trade beforehand? Why didn't we target a proven recruiter instead of replacing Francis with an underling that has been there 7 years? Then go on the attack when all he gets back is pathetic spin.......because he is a gutless that's why
great point.
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If this rebel (rabble?) group aren't already finished, all it needs is for Balme to come out and say that if they get in, he'll walk.
This stuff from a cardiologist about the game plan is a total and utter embarrassment. It makes about as much sense as Dimma offering to insert a stent for him.
Just go away.
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I am no fan of the FOF group given their major stuff ups early day and some shocking interviews from Wood. However, Leach is a knob.
If he wants to ask tough questions that I want answered then why doesn't he ask Benny, Peggy or Richo why the hell Hardwicks contract was extended by 2 years with no performance clauses? Why wasn't Lade sacked when the players hate him? Why wasn't Hartley and Richo sacked for not doing due diligence on the Yarran trade beforehand? Why didn't we target a proven recruiter instead of replacing Francis with an underling that has been there 7 years? Then go on the attack when all he gets back is pathetic spin.......because he is a gutless that's why
thats always the way though, hypocritical industry with many fans being too one eyed or downright stupid to see it. Well said
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If this rebel (rabble?) group aren't already finished, all it needs is for Balme to come out and say that if they get in, he'll walk.
Walk to where? He's an employee of the club and he serves the club not the board. People struggle to distinguish between the club and the board and think if you are criticising the board you are having a go at the club. Easy mistake to make but it's really not that complicated (unless you're benny gale)
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If this rebel (rabble?) group aren't already finished, all it needs is for Balme to come out and say that if they get in, he'll walk.
Walk to where? He's an employee of the club and he serves the club not the board. People struggle to distinguish between the club and the board and think if you are criticising the board you are having a go at the club. Easy mistake to make but it's really not that complicated (unless you're benny gale)
You have to be able to work with the board to work for the club. I have no trouble distinguishing between the board and the club. It is FoF that is having trouble distinguishing parts of the club. If FoF were somehow successful in gaining control, Balme would be within his rights to leave if that's how he felt. I know as Head of Football I'd have a fair bit of trouble working with a board that wanted a say in the game plan.
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Francis 'the flog' Leach he will now be referred to as. Obviously forgot his med's this morning
So Leach is a flog for asking some tough questions that some of us want answered?
No he's a flog for getting hysterical and not giving the the Doc a chance to answer a question before being attacked. Anyone can conduct an interview like that. He is meant to be professional not carry on like a tool.
Disagree
I'd attack to if you are flip floppijg on every answer like he did
How hard is to answer what the KPIs are going to be?
He couldn't, went as far as to say it wasnt up to him but at the same time reckons his group should have a say in the style of footy the team plays. Then says that it won't be about wins or losses, it will be about a number of things, including close losses.
Says they support Hardwick but in the next breath says we don't have a game plan. Well which is it exactly?
Did penny and gale get the same questions ?
Didn't the alternate board ready say hardwick would get sack if he loses x amount games?
What other key performance indicators do you want. Corralling stats? Largely a load of fluff
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Didn't the alternate board ready say hardwick would get sack if he loses x amount games?
What other key performance indicators do you want. Corralling stats? Largely a load of fluff
Did you hear the interview?
No they didn't.
He was asked was it about wins & losses? His answer was yes, then no, then said it would be up to Neil Balme to set the KPIs with the input of Wood & Monteath.
He was then asked well what happens if depsite the win /losses Balme back Hardwick as the man to coach the club what happens then?
His reply was Hardwick will be judged on the KPIs set. He was asked again to exaplin what they would be. He then waffled on about it may not be about wins & losses and that we may be 2-8 but if the sode is playing a good brand of footy and had lost say 4 games by less than a kick then Hardwick would stay.
So no he didn't answer anything just embarrassed there group further. Amateur hour yet again
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Tigers face down challengers
Michael Gleeson
The Age
20th September 2016
Richmond's board is likely to face down the rebel ticket and its "olive branch" offer to abandon a push for a spill of the board if they can just secure a couple of seats instead.
Tigers president Peggy O'Neal and chief executive Brendon Gale finally agreed to meet with members of the Focus on Footy group on Tuesday morning and heard the offer and the group's list of concerns.
The Richmond board met for more than seven hours after the meeting with the rebel ticket but it is understood only a brief time was spent dwelling on the offer and the proposals outlined by the Focus on Footy ticket.
The existing board has the support of the AFL and chief executive Gill McLachlan and while the new ticket has moderated its position to avoid a spill the existing board is highly unlikely to agree to the terms and now appears poised to go to an election, possibly in November.
The Focus on Footy group had launched with an initial plan to replace all but two positions on the Richmond board.
The central plank of their plan for election was that Richmond needed to appoint Neil Balme as football chief executive.
Richmond last week appointed Balme to the position, mentoring football manager Dan Richardson and working within a restructured football department.
That appointment robbed the challengers of a critical point of difference to the existing board other than a restlessness for change and on-field success.
The group had said they were pleased with the club's off-field performance but wanted a change of board because of the lack of on-field success and that board members had been there too long.
After initially calling for a spill of the board and for their leader, Dr Martin Hiscock, to be appointed the new president, the group said it was prepared to modify its offer and retain O'Neal as president along with other board members if they were given several seats on the board.
"At what was a positive meeting, we reiterated our view that it was time for new and re-energised thinking at Richmond," Hiscock said.
"We believe this starts with changing the board - many of the current board members have been there for too long.
"Today we offered an olive branch, not a concession, in the best interests of long-suffering Richmond members and fans. We have to do something."
The rebels said the club had agreed to consider the proposal.
The challenging group had initially said they were happy for contracted coach Damien Hardwick to remain but have since said that if he were to underperform they would find the funds to replace him.
Hardwick is contracted until the end of 2018.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-focus-on-footy-leader-meets-richmond-tigers-board-members-20160920-grkgx2.html
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I may be getting my francis leech and mark fine mixed up ...
Apologies to All pls don't sue
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What a backflip :lol
So now they don't want an EGM (no surprise there even their PR guru would be telling them they aint gonna win) now they just want 4 seats on the board and peggy can stay as prez :rollin
Here's an idea FoF group
There are 3 position up fpr grabs at the AGM, nominate and see how you go. And then in 2017 do the same
Or are you too scared because you know what the result will be
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This FOF group are not only embarrassing themselves, they are embarrassing every tiger supporter :banghead GO AWAY!
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Now Monteath wants out.....withdraw now and save the club valuable time and money.
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This FOF group are not only embarrassing themselves, they are embarrassing every tiger supporter :banghead GO AWAY!
The current board has caused the club far more embarrassment with poor leadership and terrible decisions than the FOF will ever likely cause
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Out of interest,how many on the current board were voted in by the members?
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Out of interest,how many on the current board were voted in by the members?
It depends
Are you prepapred to count those who have been re-elected unopposed when they've stood and we havent needed to vote
Or do you only count those who had to face an election like we had last year?
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Now Monteath wants out.....withdraw now and save the club valuable time and money.
Had to laugh when i read that ;D
Can they become more farcical?
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Out of interest,how many on the current board were voted in by the members?
It depends
Are you prepapred to count those who have been re-elected unopposed when they've stood and we havent needed to vote
Or do you only count those who had to face an election like we had last year?
As I posted,how many voted in by the members?
You seem to have your finger on the pulse WP, currently how many on the board right now have been voted in?
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]As I posted,how many voted in by the members?
You seem to have your finger on the pulse WP, currently how many on the board right now have been voted in?
There was election last uear, first one on ages
2 of them Chadwick & O'Shanessy were elected via an election last year by the members
O'Neal, Dalton and Free have been "elected" unopposed = no vote only because there were no extra candidates to have an election
Speed, O'Rourke, Dunne & Ryan have all been seconded onto the board and not elected. Ryan is up for re-election this year, so is Speed IIRC
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Speed should be President....surely would be a walk in the park after running the ICC and having to deal with the BCCI....
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Speed should be President....surely would be a walk in the park after running the ICC and having to deal with the BCCI....
He was a toothless Tiger when he was running the ICC (no pun intended ) because he wouldn't stand up to the BCCI :rollin
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Is FOF the same group that met in Malvern that Jackstar and others told us would be shaking up the board? Or are we still going to hear from this group at some point?
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Speed should be President....surely would be a walk in the park after running the ICC and having to deal with the BCCI....
He was a toothless Tiger when he was running the ICC (no pun intended ) because he wouldn't stand up to the BCCI :rollin
His successors have been far worse - BCCI's power's grown ten fold since he left....like I said, the Richmond board & the AFL should be a walk in the park compared to them....
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The Richmond board met for more than seven hours after the meeting with the rebel ticket but it is understood only a brief time was spent dwelling on the offer and the proposals outlined by the Focus on Footy ticket.
I thought the board wasn't meeting today only tonight?
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2 of them Chadwick & O'Shanessy were elected via an election last year by the members
O'Neal, Dalton and Free have been "elected" unopposed = no vote only because there were no extra candidates to have an election
Speed, O'Rourke, Dunne & Ryan have all been seconded onto the board and not elected. Ryan is up for re-election this year, so is Speed IIRC
Thanks,knew of Chadwick & O'Shanessy but was unsure of the pathway the others got there.
Don't know of their worth as board members but I'll say openly, O'Neal has to go.
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Lmao
What a stuffed up footy club
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Richmond board set to reject Focus on Footy request for spill, could trigger EGM
Michael Warner,
Herald Sun
September 21, 2016
RICHMOND members appear headed to the polls in early November after the Tigers board rejected a rebel takeover push.
Tigers president Peggy O’Neal and chief executive Brendon Gale faced off with “Focus on Football” coup leaders Martin Hiscock and Mag Kearney for about an hour at the Bourke St headquarters of law firm Lander & Rogers.
Hiscock and Kearney formally submitted that the majority of the nine-person Richmond board resign.
The board met later and O’Neal said the demand from the rebel group had been rejected outright.
The rebels indicated they would respond by triggering an extraordinary general meeting in the second week of November by gathering the signatures of just 100 members.
The move would effectively give both parties 35 days to campaign for votes from the club’s 70,000-plus members.
Hiscock indicated O’Neal was one of two current board members his group would keep on if they gained power.
The would-be president also affirmed his belief that the team had “no game plan” and that Trent Cotchin was the wrong man to be captain.
Today we offered an olive branch, not a concession, in the best interests of long-suffering Richmond members and fans.
Tuesday’s Herald Sun revealed Hiscock’s group had vowed to personally pay out coach Damien Hardwick’s $1 million contract should they decide he needed to be sacked.
“Damien’s already said: ‘I’m a dead man walking’. People have told me that,” Hiscock told SEN.
“We don’t think so. We would like to build that support around him and see how he goes. We’ve said that from the word go, that he’ll be there next year.
“But he will have performance criteria, and if he doesn’t meet those criteria at a certain stage during the year, the football department directors and (football chief) Neil Balme will make a decision on whether he goes or not.
“Everyone will agree that Richmond has had very little game plan. No, it’s not insane (to say that). It’s not insane at all. It’s quite clear that there is no game plan.
“Whether it’s his fault, or the players fault or the assistant coaches ... don’t forget five have been sacked.”
Of Tuesday’s meeting with Gale and O’Neal, Hiscock said: “At what was a positive meeting, we reiterated our view that it was time for new and re-energised thinking at Richmond.”
O’Neal said members were entitled to run for the board.
“We encourage any of our 70,000 members wishing to do so to engage in our nominations process or through our normal electoral process as part of the annual general meeting,” she said.
“The time leading up to the AFL draft is really important for all clubs and our priority right now is running this club, and providing a stable environment that allows our CEO Brendon Gale and our new general manager of football Neil Balme to build a stronger Richmond on and off the field.
“The Board and our administration – under the guidance of Brendon - is getting on with the really important business of attracting players, coaches and commercial partners to our Club, and planning for 2017.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-board-set-to-reject-focus-on-footy-request-for-spill-could-trigger-egm/news-story/bbeb8b03e41b4de74ca8c04d13352aac
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Lmao
What a stuffed up footy club
:thumbsup
Which makes me laugh when some are just focusing on these clowns.
Facts are the whole joint is completely stuffed led suburban by the top and her sidekick
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Richmond board challengers oblivious to change
The Australian12:00AM
September 21, 2016
Melbourne
PATRICK SMITH
Observers say that when Neil Balme arrived in the Melbourne radio studio for his weekly spot last Friday he had the spring of a high jumper in his step. If he was not quite a new man he did have a new job.
Balme began as the boss of Richmond’s football department on Monday after successfully performing in that role at Geelong and Collingwood. The switch was prompted by Collingwood reshuffling their football operations at the same time as the Tigers were transforming theirs. The Richmond board pounced.
The trip back to his old club where he was a critical member of two premiership teams might have been long and it might have meandered but there was a meaningful sense that Balme had come home. A 36-year return trip.
His mood might have cooled a little now, the bounce in the step not so extravagant. While what happens at board level is not Balme’s concern, experience tells us that board challengers can quickly destabilise if not disable clubs from their top to their bottom.
So news yesterday that a group of supporters, who call themselves Focus On Footy, plan to continue with their plans to overthrow the board is an unwanted and unnecessary disturbance.
It must be irritating to supporters, who have hailed Balme’s appointment and watched as the football department was restructured after a detailed and independent review of all things footy within the club.
Given the record of the present board to pay off debt, move the club into profit and rebuild facilities while climbing into the finals for three consecutive years, the Focus On Footy plotting is without substance.
The group was represented by Mag Kearney and Martin Hiscock at a meeting yesterday with Richmond president Peggy O’Neal and chief executive Brendon Gale.
Afterwards Hiscock released a statement. “At what was a positive meeting, we reiterated our view that it was time for new and re-energised thinking at Richmond,” Hiscock said. “They (the board) are going to think about what we said and see whether there is a way to address our concerns…”
The Focus On Footy group maintains it has the mandatory 100 signatures to force an extraordinary general meeting if the board does not stand down. However, it is believed its early ambitious claim for seven board seats has been reduced by nearly half and they are now not seeking O’Neal to stand down.
“We have to do something. We don’t want to wake up in 15 years time and say we should have done something before it became half a century since our last premiership (1980),” Hiscock said. He appears oblivious to all that has happened at the club since the end of the season.
In a confused and messy interview on SEN earlier in the day, Hiscock said coach Damien Hardwick, contracted until the end of 2018, would be replaced if he did not satisfy new criteria
“If he doesn’t meet those criteria at a certain stage during the year the football department, directors and Neil Balme will make a decision as to whether he goes or not,” Hiscock said.
“We’d like to build that support around him and see how he goes … I’ve said that from the word go that he’ll be there next year.” He also made this extraordinary claim: “Damien’s already said, ‘I’m a dead man walking’. People have told me that.”
It is expected that the board will dismiss the group’s demands abruptly. And it would be reckless for O’Neal and her directors to take any other action than exactly that. Focus On Footy has no experience running a club in the increasingly competitive AFL environment. The group’s messages are mixed and volatile. To expect Hardwick to coach and his players to remain focused when Hiscock’s team has pronounced he is no certainty to see out much of the season is at best naive and at worst quite mad.
It would be helpful if the plotters had a look at the four clubs left in the race to the premiership. All have strong and stable boards who have a clear, unequivocal vision of how to deliver success.
GWS have maximised the largesse of the AFL expertly so that in their fifth year on the planet as a senior club they are one game away from a grand final.
Sydney have missed the finals just once since 2003. Geelong have been in all but two finals series since 2004.
And the Western Bulldogs stopped Hawthorn from moving closer to a modern milestone of four consecutive premierships when they thrashed Alastair Clarkson’s champions last Friday night.
(This last bit might be news to readers of yesterday’s column where it stated that it was GWS who had thwarted Hawthorn. Distracted mind, appalling error. Humble apologies).
This is a critical and sensitive time of year for every club. But especially for Richmond who, under Balme, must configure a new path ahead for the football department.
That means luring new players and assistant coaches to the club. But they will take short steps if they see a board at war with dills.
Gale must look after a business, cement in sponsors and negotiate all manner of things with the AFL. The club certainly does not need to be fearing interference from a group of supporters who might be intoxicated by their own egos.
If they loved the club they would disappear. Walk away now. But not before apologising to the board, members and supporters.
From: theaustralian.com.au (via 1 off twitter access)
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/subscribe/news/1/index.html?sourceCode=TAWEB_WRE170_a&mode=premium&dest=http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/opinion/patrick-smith/richmond-board-challengers-oblivious-to-change/news-story/59350783fa0cdee525b187dec5d75658&memtype=anonymous
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Hasn't been widely reported but Jake Niall said on "On the Couch" on Monday night (watched a replay yesterday afternoon) that about a week and half ago a meeting between the entire board and the entire FoF group (I thinl the missing lady from the launch was going ;D) had been arranged.
About 40 minutes before it was due to start the FoF Group cancelled...
::)
They are a rabble that makes the incumbents look like the greatest Footy Directors in the histroy of the AFL :rollin
And BTW, personally think Patrick Smith nailed it.....but I'm sure peole will just say he's a flog too :snidegrin
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Richmond board challengers oblivious to change
The Australian12:00AM
September 21, 2016
Melbourne
PATRICK SMITH
It would be helpful if the plotters had a look at the four clubs left in the race to the premiership. All have strong and stable boards who have a clear, unequivocal vision of how to deliver success.
GWS have maximised the largesse of the AFL expertly so that in their fifth year on the planet as a senior club they are one game away from a grand final.
Sydney have missed the finals just once since 2003. Geelong have been in all but two finals series since 2004.
And the Western Bulldogs stopped Hawthorn from moving closer to a modern milestone of four consecutive premierships when they thrashed Alastair Clarkson’s champions last Friday night.
Aah Patrick, showcasing your lack of intellect on football matters for all to see, yet again.
Fancy comparing us to a strong board like the bulldogs led by a real strong leader in Gordon who were labelled as unstable and in chaos a couple of years ago when they sacked their coach and traded their captain. Also sacked their underperforming ceo.
Also the GWS board must be working miracles to get them in this position.
Suggest Patrick best utilise his penmanship in ghost writing biographies or writing fiction novels.
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In a confused and messy interview on SEN earlier in the day, Hiscock said coach Damien Hardwick, contracted until the end of 2018, would be replaced if he did not satisfy new criteria
“If he doesn’t meet those criteria at a certain stage during the year the football department, directors and Neil Balme will make a decision as to whether he goes or not,” Hiscock said.
“We’d like to build that support around him and see how he goes … I’ve said that from the word go that he’ll be there next year.” He also made this extraordinary claim: “Damien’s already said, ‘I’m a dead man walking’. People have told me that.”
And people wonder why Leach gave him a hard time in the interview yesterday, he made that comment I've underlined when pressed on it the good Doctor changed the subject
And will anyone from FoF explain why they went from wanting (demanding) 7 seats (as per the good Doctor's shambolic interview on SEN yesterday morning) to the 4 or 5 seats request when they met with O'Neal & Gale yesterday morning some 90 minutes later?
Is it because their ticket of 7 is supposedly now 6 (Monteath reportedly wanting out)? or is it because they know they are facing a near impossible task of winning any election, because of outside of them coming across as being a bumbling bunch of fools they actually don't have a plan or any vision?
And I wonder if they got their way and got their 5 seats which one of the six would miss out under Doc Hiscock and Mag (I'm finally a member so I can be on the board) Kearney's deal? actually I reckon I already know :lol
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If Brendan Gale and Neil Balme came out and threatened to resign if focus on footy continued on with this coup then it would be all over for them.
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If only Gale would resign.
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Focus on Footy
I hear it took them 8 meetings and 7 revotes to agree on their name :lol :lol
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What I don't get is why would any challenging group put all their cards on the table when challenging the current board
who haven't put all their cards on the table.
Seriously what have the challengers said that has been off the mark?
Are they incorrect on there opinion of our coach and his game plan?
Are they incorrect on there opinion of our recruitment?
ATM we have a board that gets a professional auditor in to review the football department but gives the boot to most of the assistants
before the review is even completed.
Its the same board that extended Hardwick for another 2 years based on what exactly?
The current board is a sham, a group educated in the art of truth bending and disaccreditation.
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Seriously what have the challengers said that has been off the mark?
The lack of coherency and consistency is probably the biggest thing
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What I don't get is why would any challenging group put all their cards on the table when challenging the current board
who haven't put all their cards on the table.
Seriously what have the challengers said that has been off the mark?
They are a shambolic joke of a group. Confused messaging, poor spread of expertise within their ranks, overreaching on game plan opinion. That's just for starters. They will lose an EGM election by a wide margin.
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Wp - no I didn't hear the interview
That why I asked
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About as shambolic as the game plan!
Would like to see a couple of them get in there to put some pressure on at board level in regards to Hardwick and the game style.
Alas it's not gunna happen, it's either one lot or the other?
Whatever happens if they don't change up their game plan, next year is going to be stuffing horrible!
AGAIN
FML
:banghead
Maybe balmy can do the job at shaking some of these blind fools up, I live in hope!
:gotigers
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What I don't get is why would any challenging group put all their cards on the table when challenging the current board
who haven't put all their cards on the table.
Seriously what have the challengers said that has been off the mark?
They are a shambolic joke of a group. Confused messaging, poor spread of expertise within their ranks, overreaching on game plan opinion. That's just for starters. They will lose an EGM election by a wide margin.
Agree. But what do you think of the FOF group?
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What I don't get is why would any challenging group put all their cards on the table when challenging the current board
who haven't put all their cards on the table.
Seriously what have the challengers said that has been off the mark?
Are they incorrect on there opinion of our coach and his game plan?
Are they incorrect on there opinion of our recruitment?
ATM we have a board that gets a professional auditor in to review the football department but gives the boot to most of the assistants
before the review is even completed.
Its the same board that extended Hardwick for another 2 years based on what exactly?
The current board is a sham, a group educated in the art of truth bending and disaccreditation.
Very good post. Alot of Richmond fans suffer from Stockholm syndrome feeling a sense of trust and loyalty to their tormentors.
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What I don't get is why would any challenging group put all their cards on the table when challenging the current board
who haven't put all their cards on the table.
Seriously what have the challengers said that has been off the mark?
Are they incorrect on there opinion of our coach and his game plan?
Are they incorrect on there opinion of our recruitment?
ATM we have a board that gets a professional auditor in to review the football department but gives the boot to most of the assistants
before the review is even completed.
Its the same board that extended Hardwick for another 2 years based on what exactly?
The current board is a sham, a group educated in the art of truth bending and disaccreditation.
Very good post. Alot of Richmond fans suffer from Stockholm syndrome feeling a sense of trust and loyalty to their tormentors.
Everyone knows that if you want to get into power, you need to have a vision. A vision that is constant and sells it's message to the masses. As much as I think the current board have erred in reappointing Hardwick, the FoF have looked a lot worse. They have been poor in selling their message. You can blame the media all you like but the messages coming from the group have been all over the shop. I know members of the Hiscock family too, so it's actually harder for me to say this than most. They should have come out and said right from the start:
They would replace the coach as their number one priority
They would replace the list manager BH immediately.
They would replace most of the recruiting team once the draft is done.
They would be ruthless in their pursuit of excellence in finding the very best people for the jobs vacated.
At a board level, they would replace a fixed number of incumbents and not waiver at that number.
That's all they had to say. No names given as replacements, just saying that more will be revealed if they are elected. All people in the FoF group just needed to rehearse the same lines over and over to sound like they were all on the same page.
As they are at the moment, they look like they can't organise a pee up in a brewery, let alone run a professional football club.
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What I don't get is why would any challenging group put all their cards on the table when challenging the current board
who haven't put all their cards on the table.
Seriously what have the challengers said that has been off the mark?
They are a shambolic joke of a group. Confused messaging, poor spread of expertise within their ranks, overreaching on game plan opinion. That's just for starters. They will lose an EGM election by a wide margin.
Im not confused by their message, they think the current board have lost focus on what this clubs is all about - PREMIERSHIPS !
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Seriously what have the challengers said that has been off the mark?
The lack of coherency and consistency is probably the biggest thing
But what have they said that was OFF THE MARK?
Incoherency and inconsistency, why is that issue considering that is what we have at board level already?
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No no the members don't want a flag
That would take too long ain't nobody got time for that
The embers want to limp in o 8th with loads of c grade list blockers as long as the swim with the staff
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Seriously what have the challengers said that has been off the mark?
The lack of coherency and consistency is probably the biggest thing
But what have they said that was OFF THE MARK?
Incoherency and inconsistency, why is that issue considering that is what we have at board level already?
They said they would keep Hardwick. That's way off the mark.
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What I don't get is why would any challenging group put all their cards on the table when challenging the current board
who haven't put all their cards on the table.
Seriously what have the challengers said that has been off the mark?
Are they incorrect on there opinion of our coach and his game plan?
Are they incorrect on there opinion of our recruitment?
ATM we have a board that gets a professional auditor in to review the football department but gives the boot to most of the assistants
before the review is even completed.
Its the same board that extended Hardwick for another 2 years based on what exactly?
The current board is a sham, a group educated in the art of truth bending and disaccreditation.
Very good post. Alot of Richmond fans suffer from Stockholm syndrome feeling a sense of trust and loyalty to their tormentors.
Everyone knows that if you want to get into power, you need to have a vision. A vision that is constant and sells it's message to the masses. As much as I think the current board have erred in reappointing Hardwick, the FoF have looked a lot worse. They have been poor in selling their message. You can blame the media all you like but the messages coming from the group have been all over the shop. I know members of the Hiscock family too, so it's actually harder for me to say this than most. They should have come out and said right from the start:
They would replace the coach as their number one priority
They would replace the list manager BH immediately.
They would replace most of the recruiting team once the draft is done.
They would be ruthless in their pursuit of excellence in finding the very best people for the jobs vacated.
At a board level, they would replace a fixed number of incumbents and not waiver at that number.
That's all they had to say. No names given as replacements, just saying that more will be revealed if they are elected. All people in the FoF group just needed to rehearse the same lines over and over to sound like they were all on the same page.
As they are at the moment, they look like they can't organise a pee up in a brewery, let alone run a professional football club.
Good post that but lets not forget this is exactly what our CURRENT board should've been doing but they're weren't !
The one thing FoF should of had organised before coming out was a backer to fund Hardwicks pay out, would've been a landslide victory.
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They said they would keep Hardwick. That's way off the mark.
Agree but what of the current board who signed off on the extension?
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Yep they missed a massive opportunity.
Had they not mentioned Balme and said they would sack and payout Hardwick they would be in a good position. Their PR consultant didn't do them any favours.
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They said they would keep Hardwick. That's way off the mark.
Agree but what of the current board who signed off on the extension?
You are pretty easily pleased if you give FoF points for pointing out the bleeding obvious. Wow, news everyone, our game plan sucked this year! Thanks for pointing that out Doc, I thought it must have been me!
True, the current board have been slow to move on assistants and recruiting staff, but that has been addressed. Aside from being punitive to the current board, what would really be achieved by voting in these FoF clowns? Clowns who have already demonstrated a level of incompetence well below the standards of the current board. I'll tell you what would be achieved - less than zero.
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Im not confused by their message, they think the current board have lost focus on what this clubs is all about - PREMIERSHIPS !
Yeah they pointed that out
But when they announced themselves as an alternate on the Monday morning they gave us:
* Coach stays
* CEO stays
* Dan Richardson stays
* We will bring in Footy Director, some bloke called Balme, we haven't spoken to him but we will and we will get him. At the same press conference a journo phoned Balme and asked him if he knew anything about this motely crew; outside of being peeved being linked to them he didn't know anything about them and said he hadn't spoken to them
* Took cheap shots at the incumbents and the club.
* had as one of the main criticism about the current mob the fact that some of them had been there too long and there was too many accountants and lawyers. their alternative approach was to have 2 Doctors, 2 lawyers (both of which have only been members for about a month), 2 footballers (one of which walked out on our club) and a bloke that runs a software development group.
* made misleading comments about the clubs finances
* Said that losing 3 finals in row was unacceptable but deviated from answering why 2016 and not 2015 if it's all been a disaster
* said they would demand and or implement how the team should play
* would determine who we traded in / out
* and their focus was going to be on football and improving resources in that area
Later on that first Monday when appearing on Talking Footy Dr Hiscock said his group would deliver Balme to the RFC. Absolutely guaranteed is
Fast forward a week and they take credit for Balme coming to the club... ::) their collective input into that was almost stuffing it up but I digrese. As late as yesterday the good Doctor was still taking credit
Just after Balme gets announced they organise a meeting with the incumbent board and 30-40 minutes before it's scheduled to start they cancel...Why?
We then get yesterday's HUN where they changed their tune and said they would actually sack the coach if he doesn't meet certain KPIs
Which brings us to yesterday SEN interview where just before 8am Doc Hiscock said:
* Can't tell you the KPIs because it's not up to me decide what they are
* when pressed on it said it may be about game style but then again it might not be
* might involve wins & losses but then again it might
* made the idiotic claim that people had told that Hardwick had himself said he was a dead man walking. but when pressed on that he changed the subject
* Cotchin shouldn't be captain but I wont say whoo I think should
*that in the planned meeting with O'Neal & Gale he and Mag Kearney representing FoF would be demanding the incumbents stand down. He then said Peggy could stay because "we don't want to depose a president"... by the end of said meeting the demanding of 7 seats board seats (even now there appears to be only 6 of them left as Monteath reportedly wants out) had changed to wanting 4 maybe 5 seats
Want me to go
So outside of telling people what they want to hear by stating the bleeding obvious what exactly have the shared with us outside of the bumbling incompetence in selling their message / vision?
Because to TBBH I have no idea what their vision plan is exactly?
What's their plan for ensuring that we can pour the resources into all the areas they say need fixing?
Easy to say this is what we need to do but where's the money coming from.
Haven't head one of them say I have $3 million a year sponsor waiting in the wings to sign up if take over. On the contrary in yesterday's shambolic SEN interview Dr Hiscock went as far as to say that they would time any EGM around sponsorship deals being sorted..how bloody noble of them... NOT it's cowardly; they want other to do the hard yards it would appear :banghead
Haven't heard one utterance about their take on corporate governance which whether people give a rats or not is one of the most important functions of being a company director.
I could go on... to say they have a plan and a vision is laughable all they've done is what other have done before and that is state what's wrong, and then flip flop, change their message on a regular basis. They don't instil any confidence in me that have the vaguest idea what it takes and to sit on a board of footy club.
and before people starting whacking about the current mob. Their single biggest mistake was that bloody contract extension there is no hiding from that. But at least through them we now have Balme and thanks to the external review carried by EY's sports advisory division that other AFL clubs and major sports have used there is clarity in the stuff that we've got horribly wrong.
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:clapping Pretty comprehensive WP.
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What clarity do we have WP?
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Just reported on SEN the FoF group are done.
Lol!
Thanks for embarressing the club.
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:shh
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Lol, they are gone. What a shambles. No doubt they will claim credit for Balme's appointment and for god knows what else. Good riddance.
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What a joke.
When I see Hiscock, I'll give him heaps!!!! :lol
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Just reported on SEN the FoF group are done.
Lol!
Thanks for embarressing the club.
This :banghead
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Here's an idea FoF group
There are 3 position up fpr grabs at the AGM, nominate and see how you go. And then in 2017 do the same
Or are you too scared because you know what the result will be
Among your sterling work against the latest board challengers this one caught my attention.
As you well know this board changed the constitution to give themselves the right to APPOINT a third of the directors (themselves) as well as any staff member (now Gale) as an extra.
The point being there are NOT "3 positions up for grabs at the AGM" but only two. The board have the other as well as Gale.
Will the board (after perusing postals) simply announce at the AGM that their (trailing) candidate is simply to be APPPOINTED to the board rather than elected.
As I understand the situation the board have not had to use the right to APPOINT a third director over the last couple of elections so the question I also ask is:
Can or will the current board claim the right to APPOINT all three directors this year?
While a nominee can put their hand up for election, they are expected to front the Nominations Committee.
This committee was established to vet candidates for the board. I encourage everyone to examine the criteria they use to judge candidates.
Note that when this committee was established no club director was to be chair and no director was to be on the committee during their re-election year.
My question here is: Will Ryan (as chairman) and O'Neal be doing the examination of prospective nominees during their re-election years?
Caro said they would be standing down in October. If O'Neal and Ryan are NOT doing the examination, who is?
Regarding sponsorship, when did the ME naming rights end and who now has naming rights for Punt Road Oval and the clubrooms?
Bingle have recently been announced as extending their sponsorship into 2017, presumably at the same amount as before.
Décor, AGL and Viagogo end their deals in November before the AGM.
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Just reported on SEN the FoF group are done.
Lol!
Thanks for embarressing the club.
Rumour is Balme had a quiet chat with them.
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Im not confused by their message, they think the current board have lost focus on what this clubs is all about - PREMIERSHIPS !
Yeah they pointed that out
But when they announced themselves as an alternate on the Monday morning they gave us:
* Coach stays
* CEO stays
* Dan Richardson stays
* We will bring in Footy Director, some bloke called Balme, we haven't spoken to him but we will and we will get him. At the same press conference a journo phoned Balme and asked him if he knew anything about this motely crew; outside of being peeved being linked to them he didn't know anything about them and said he hadn't spoken to them
* Took cheap shots at the incumbents and the club.
* had as one of the main criticism about the current mob the fact that some of them had been there too long and there was too many accountants and lawyers. their alternative approach was to have 2 Doctors, 2 lawyers (both of which have only been members for about a month), 2 footballers (one of which walked out on our club) and a bloke that runs a software development group.
* made misleading comments about the clubs finances
* Said that losing 3 finals in row was unacceptable but deviated from answering why 2016 and not 2015 if it's all been a disaster
* said they would demand and or implement how the team should play
* would determine who we traded in / out
* and their focus was going to be on football and improving resources in that area
Later on that first Monday when appearing on Talking Footy Dr Hiscock said his group would deliver Balme to the RFC. Absolutely guaranteed is
Fast forward a week and they take credit for Balme coming to the club... ::) their collective input into that was almost stuffing it up but I digrese. As late as yesterday the good Doctor was still taking credit
Just after Balme gets announced they organise a meeting with the incumbent board and 30-40 minutes before it's scheduled to start they cancel...Why?
We then get yesterday's HUN where they changed their tune and said they would actually sack the coach if he doesn't meet certain KPIs
Which brings us to yesterday SEN interview where just before 8am Doc Hiscock said:
* Can't tell you the KPIs because it's not up to me decide what they are
* when pressed on it said it may be about game style but then again it might not be
* might involve wins & losses but then again it might
* made the idiotic claim that people had told that Hardwick had himself said he was a dead man walking. but when pressed on that he changed the subject
* Cotchin shouldn't be captain but I wont say whoo I think should
*that in the planned meeting with O'Neal & Gale he and Mag Kearney representing FoF would be demanding the incumbents stand down. He then said Peggy could stay because "we don't want to depose a president"... by the end of said meeting the demanding of 7 seats board seats (even now there appears to be only 6 of them left as Monteath reportedly wants out) had changed to wanting 4 maybe 5 seats
Want me to go
So outside of telling people what they want to hear by stating the bleeding obvious what exactly have the shared with us outside of the bumbling incompetence in selling their message / vision?
Because to TBBH I have no idea what their vision plan is exactly?
What's their plan for ensuring that we can pour the resources into all the areas they say need fixing?
Easy to say this is what we need to do but where's the money coming from.
Haven't head one of them say I have $3 million a year sponsor waiting in the wings to sign up if take over. On the contrary in yesterday's shambolic SEN interview Dr Hiscock went as far as to say that they would time any EGM around sponsorship deals being sorted..how bloody noble of them... NOT it's cowardly; they want other to do the hard yards it would appear :banghead
Haven't heard one utterance about their take on corporate governance which whether people give a rats or not is one of the most important functions of being a company director.
I could go on... to say they have a plan and a vision is laughable all they've done is what other have done before and that is state what's wrong, and then flip flop, change their message on a regular basis. They don't instil any confidence in me that have the vaguest idea what it takes and to sit on a board of footy club.
and before people starting whacking about the current mob. Their single biggest mistake was that bloody contract extension there is no hiding from that. But at least through them we now have Balme and thanks to the external review carried by EY's sports advisory division that other AFL clubs and major sports have used there is clarity in the stuff that we've got horribly wrong.
great posting
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My mail is that a compromise was reached that satisfies all parties
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My mail is that a compromise was reached that satisfies all parties
"we promise we will sack hardwick if you promse to eff off"
:D
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My mail is that a compromise was reached that satisfies all parties
Do tell
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My mail is that a compromise was reached that satisfies all parties
Do tell
Don't know the details and didn't ask
Media beats things up as they see fit
Compromise was met
That's all I know
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What I don't get is, why if we were into Balme for a decent period of time, did we resign those duds before he was on board? Were they going somewhere before the big announcement of Balme getting the job? Why not wait to see what he thought of them? We held off for a long while on their contracts which I thought was fantastic but then went ahead and signed them before anything had started.
What about the other appointments, why do that if Balme was onboard. It ties his hands on a lot of things one would imagine. How much difference can he make if everyone has just signed new contracts??
IMO the appointment of Balme was pretty much a last minute thing, I'm not saying they hadn't thought of it before the other mob mentioned it but you cannot tell me it didn't push them a little.
As for the big changes and the review, what really has changed?? Assistant coaches have been sacked?? They shuffled a few deck chairs inside the organisation??
The RFC is a basket case and I'm pretty sure most cannot deny that.
We need change and to date nothing has changed really.
IMO the current board are happy for us to show positive figures on a spread sheet but it seems they don't REALLY care about the thing that most of us here care about. Winning and winning finals.
Why give Dimma a 2 year extension with a year to go on his current contract after not even winning a final after 7 years in charge??
It sounds even worse when you write it. NOT 1 FINALS WIN IN 7 YEARS= 2 year contract extension.
How can a group of supposedly intelligent people agree to that??
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It's mind boggling
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They've gone into hibernation but thats quite an effort there WP so I thought I'd respond anyhow.
Im not confused by their message, they think the current board have lost focus on what this clubs is all about - PREMIERSHIPS !
Yeah they pointed that out
But when they announced themselves as an alternate on the Monday morning they gave us:
* Coach stays
Not much choice unless someones got a spare $1.2 mill they feel like wasting.
* CEO stays
Is keeping Gale a bad thing?
* Dan Richardson stays
Not sold on him yet but obviously has a contract so more wasted money would be needed?
* We will bring in Footy Director, some bloke called Balme, we haven't spoken to him but we will and we will get him. At the same press conference a journo phoned Balme and asked him if he knew anything about this motely crew; outside of being peeved being linked to them he didn't know anything about them and said he hadn't spoken to them
I thought he said they had spoken to him but not in an official capacity - which sounds right as they aren't on the board and couldn't offer the job yet?
* Took cheap shots at the incumbents and the club.
Not sure what these were but probably fair enough considering the fact the Hardwick extension.
* had as one of the main criticism about the current mob the fact that some of them had been there too long and there was too many accountants and lawyers. their alternative approach was to have 2 Doctors, 2 lawyers (both of which have only been members for about a month), 2 footballers (one of which walked out on our club) and a bloke that runs a software development group.
I know you have an issue with some of the FoF crew but is what they said about a greater diversity and the length of time as board member bad? I dont.
* made misleading comments about the clubs finances
The current mob are doing that too WP. ::)
* Said that losing 3 finals in row was unacceptable but deviated from answering why 2016 and not 2015 if it's all been a disaster
Is losing 3 finals in a row acceptable and as such warrant rewarding the Head coach with a contract extension for an extra 2 years whilst making scapegoats of every one else?
* said they would demand and or implement how the team should play
Couldn't do any worse than Hardwick. ;D
* would determine who we traded in / out
same as above insert Hartley.
* and their focus was going to be on football and improving resources in that area
Hence the name.
Later on that first Monday when appearing on Talking Footy Dr Hiscock said his group would deliver Balme to the RFC. Absolutely guaranteed is
So they were right?
Fast forward a week and they take credit for Balme coming to the club... ::) their collective input into that was almost stuffing it up but I digrese. As late as yesterday the good Doctor was still taking credit
Not sure how you come to the conclusion they nearly stuffed it up, the whispers about Balme coming back were around before Grubby Allen took his job.
Not sure Hiscock should be taking credit but it sure is a coincidence.
Just after Balme gets announced they organise a meeting with the incumbent board and 30-40 minutes before it's scheduled to start they cancel...Why?
Probably along the lines of the current board not answering or returning the calls made to them, why is it so?
We then get yesterday's HUN where they changed their tune and said they would actually sack the coach if he doesn't meet certain KPIs
Once again if there's spare change around I'm sure they would have.Is that a bad thing?
Which brings us to yesterday SEN interview where just before 8am Doc Hiscock said:
* Can't tell you the KPIs because it's not up to me decide what they are
Correct answer that would be Balmes job.
* when pressed on it said it may be about game style but then again it might not be
Balmes job again. ::)
* might involve wins & losses but then again it might
Balmes job once again, we seeing a pattern here WP?
* made the idiotic claim that people had told that Hardwick had himself said he was a dead man walking. but when pressed on that he changed the subject
Maybe because he didn't want to give some one up, FFS he's talking to the media!
* Cotchin shouldn't be captain but I wont say whoo I think should
Should never have been made captain at such a young age to start with.
*that in the planned meeting with O'Neal & Gale he and Mag Kearney representing FoF would be demanding the incumbents stand down. He then said Peggy could stay because "we don't want to depose a president"... by the end of said meeting the demanding of 7 seats board seats (even now there appears to be only 6 of them left as Monteath reportedly wants out) had changed to wanting 4 maybe 5 seats
Want me to go
So outside of telling people what they want to hear by stating the bleeding obvious what exactly have the shared with us outside of the bumbling incompetence in selling their message / vision?
Because to TBBH I have no idea what their vision plan is exactly?
their name should have given you at least some guide. :P
What's their plan for ensuring that we can pour the resources into all the areas they say need fixing?
Probably by not wasting it on making bad decisions like 2nd rate employees.
Easy to say this is what we need to do but where's the money coming from.
Wheres it coming from now?
Haven't head one of them say I have $3 million a year sponsor waiting in the wings to sign up if take over. On the contrary in yesterday's shambolic SEN interview Dr Hiscock went as far as to say that they would time any EGM around sponsorship deals being sorted..how bloody noble of them... NOT it's cowardly; they want other to do the hard yards it would appear :banghead
Have the current board ever delivered anything close to a $3 million a year sponsor?
Haven't heard one utterance about their take on corporate governance which whether people give a rats or not is one of the most important functions of being a company director.
I Don't think they mentioned it because the focus was on the football department, wasn't it?
I could go on... to say they have a plan and a vision is laughable all they've done is what other have done before and that is state what's wrong, and then flip flop, change their message on a regular basis. They don't instil any confidence in me that have the vaguest idea what it takes and to sit on a board of footy club.
and before people starting whacking about the current mob. Their single biggest mistake was that bloody contract extension there is no hiding from that. But at least through them we now have Balme and thanks to the external review carried by EY's sports advisory division that other AFL clubs and major sports have used there is clarity in the stuff that we've got horribly wrong.
So the current board sacked all the right people before the review was complete?
Sounds like another coincidence to me.
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What I don't get is, why if we were into Balme for a decent period of time, did we resign those duds before he was on board? Were they going somewhere before the big announcement of Balme getting the job? Why not wait to see what he thought of them? We held off for a long while on their contracts which I thought was fantastic but then went ahead and signed them before anything had started.
What about the other appointments, why do that if Balme was onboard. It ties his hands on a lot of things one would imagine. How much difference can he make if everyone has just signed new contracts??
IMO the appointment of Balme was pretty much a last minute thing, I'm not saying they hadn't thought of it before the other mob mentioned it but you cannot tell me it didn't push them a little.
As for the big changes and the review, what really has changed?? Assistant coaches have been sacked?? They shuffled a few deck chairs inside the organisation??
The RFC is a basket case and I'm pretty sure most cannot deny that.
We need change and to date nothing has changed really.
IMO the current board are happy for us to show positive figures on a spread sheet but it seems they don't REALLY care about the thing that most of us here care about. Winning and winning finals.
Why give Dimma a 2 year extension with a year to go on his current contract after not even winning a final after 7 years in charge??
It sounds even worse when you write it. NOT 1 FINALS WIN IN 7 YEARS= 2 year contract extension.
How can a group of supposedly intelligent people agree to that??
stuffing nailed it big man!
:clapping
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Balme appointment was a last minute thing
The Collingwood situation changed dramatically at seasons end with Bucks mentor Trevor Hendy getting the stuff and Gubby Allan's arrival back into the footy Department
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What I don't get is, why if we were into Balme for a decent period of time, did we resign those duds before he was on board? Were they going somewhere before the big announcement of Balme getting the job? Why not wait to see what he thought of them? We held off for a long while on their contracts which I thought was fantastic but then went ahead and signed them before anything had started.
What about the other appointments, why do that if Balme was onboard. It ties his hands on a lot of things one would imagine. How much difference can he make if everyone has just signed new contracts??
IMO the appointment of Balme was pretty much a last minute thing, I'm not saying they hadn't thought of it before the other mob mentioned it but you cannot tell me it didn't push them a little.
As for the big changes and the review, what really has changed?? Assistant coaches have been sacked?? They shuffled a few deck chairs inside the organisation??
The RFC is a basket case and I'm pretty sure most cannot deny that.
We need change and to date nothing has changed really.
IMO the current board are happy for us to show positive figures on a spread sheet but it seems they don't REALLY care about the thing that most of us here care about. Winning and winning finals.
Why give Dimma a 2 year extension with a year to go on his current contract after not even winning a final after 7 years in charge??
It sounds even worse when you write it. NOT 1 FINALS WIN IN 7 YEARS= 2 year contract extension.
How can a group of supposedly intelligent people agree to that??
Correct. They make poo up as they go
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Balme appointment was a last minute thing
The Collingwood situation changed dramatically at seasons end with Bucks mentor Trevor Hendy getting the stuff and Gubby Allan's arrival back into the footy Department
It was an opportunistic last minute political move to lift the hopes of the masses. It's all reactive from this mob. No foresight
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Richmond renegades call off board challenge
AFL.com.au
21 September 2016
THE FOCUS on Footy group has abandoned its Richmond board challenge amidst rumblings that key member Bruce Monteath had walked away from the ticket.
Monteath, one of the two premiership Tigers on the rival ticket, is believed to have stood down in a body blow to the group's chances of taking control of the board.
The group's public relations firm, Royce Communications, confirmed on Wednesday afternoon that their push to take up to five seats on the board was now over.
"The unanimous decision of the group's seven members follows a meeting with the club yesterday after which it was declared no directors would be standing down voluntarily from the board," a spokesperson said.
"We are committed and passionate Richmond people who want the same on-field success that every Richmond fan wants (and) we had the courage to make a stand on the club’s future.
"Our intention is not to take the club to an EGM."
The group, which said it was going "into hibernation", claimed it had achieved much by putting an incredible focus on football, which "needed to be urgently addressed at Richmond".
“We challenged the board to take action. We contributed to the return of Neil Balme. We have shaken up the place. We did something," they said.
Monteath did not return calls on Wednesday, while other members of the group referred enquiries about their solidarity onto their spokespeople.
The 1980 premiership captain,Monteath had been Focus on Footy's link to Neil Balme, who they pledged to appoint as "CEO of football" should they be installed as a new board.
Balme has since been appointed as the Tigers head of football under the club's existing regime.
On Tuesday, Focus on Footy leader Dr Martin HIscock claimed the group had received an indication they would have been able to secure Balme themselves.
"We were led to believe that we probably had 'Balmey'," Hiscock said on radio station SEN.
"Bruce had been in constant contact with him. He sort of got the wink there. So that's why we went ahead with our launch."
It is understood Focus on Footy had the 100 member signatures required to call an extraordinary general meeting.
That was a live option after their request to take "four to five" seats on the board was rebuffed following a meeting with president Peggy O'Neal and CEO Brendon Gale on Tuesday.
Focus on Footy launched 16 days ago by requesting a spill of all directors.
Richmond's board met on Tuesday afternoon and decided to dismiss the rebel group's most recent request "in its entirety".
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-09-21/richmond-renegades-call-off-board-challenge
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Richmond board challenge called off
Caroline Wilson
The Age
21 September 2016 7:46 pm
Richmond premiership captain Bruce Monteath has not ruled out standing for the Tigers' board in future but said he believed it has been crucial for the club's football rebuilding that the ill-fated Focus On Footy group immediately withdraw its challenge.
Monteath called his former teammate and newly appointed Richmond head of football Neil Balme late on Wednesday to convey that the Martin Hiscock-led challengers had brought their campaign to a halt.
However, the so-called Malvern Hotel group has re-emerged with club president Peggy O'Neal expected to meet representatives of that disenchanted body of supporters early next month.
O'Neal, who has received unanimous board support to run for another term, is understood to have spoken in recent days with a spokesman for that group, which first met at the Malvern Hotel in August.
While O'Neal is up for reelection in November she has received the board's nomination leaving director Kerry Ryan the most vulnerable.
Ryan will stand alongside former player Emmett Dunne, who was seconded to the board last month. Already one challenger, lawyer Simon Wallace, has announced his intention to stand.
The Malvern group, which included Stephen Mandie, Damian Silk and Robert Ralph, remain determined to gain some representation on the board and are now employing more conventional means to achieve that outcome. Fairfax Media expects a further two Richmond directors to stand down over the next month.
O'Neal on Tuesday night flatly rejected the Focus On Footy's messy attempt to infiltrate the Richmond board. That group had originally pushed for a total spill, then a partial spill, and had changed its stand on the short-term future of embattled coach Damien Hardwick.
Monteath said that while he applauded ongoing personnel changes in the football department "the head controls the legs and the arms".
However, he added: "I've decided it was time things were brought to a halt. It was time to stop. I didn't want an EGM and I'm rapt my very good friend Neil Balme is helping to rebuild the club.
"We've shaken things up and that's a healthy thing. That's why businesses have shareholder meetings. We needed to get them refocused and although I'm disappointed that a couple of the directors didn't stand up and admit they'd been there long enough at least we've achieved that."
Monteath defended the widely criticised and mocked Focus on Footy group, saying their only fault was over-enthusiasm and passion for the club.
"They are passionate, they're committed and they really do care about their club. They've drawn attention to important issues, football issues and we have not been a big club for a very long time."
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/focus-on-footy-group-calls-off-richmond-board-challenge-20160921-grlget.html
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Among your sterling work against the latest board challengers this one caught my attention.
As you well know this board changed the constitution to give themselves the right to APPOINT a third of the directors (themselves) as well as any staff member (now Gale) as an extra.
The point being there are NOT "3 positions up for grabs at the AGM" but only two. The board have the other as well as Gale.
See Caro's article above, she confirms there are 3 board positions up for grabs this year. O'Neal, Ryan & Dunne
And i think you are giving me far too much credit. The FoF group didnt need any help from me in highlighting their collective incompetence
Regarding sponsorship, when did the ME naming rights end and who now has naming rights for Punt Road Oval and the clubrooms?
Bingle have recently been announced as extending their sponsorship into 2017, presumably at the same amount as before.
Décor, AGL and Viagogo end their deals in November before the AGM.
The ME Bank deal ended at the end of 2015. We were givn 12 month notice they wouldn't be renewing. We have not had a replacement naming right sponsor for Punt Road this year. I've heard some whispers but thats all they are at the moment
Bingles deal is an increase on this year, thats my understanding
Viagogo the legal scaplers...well who cares TBBH..
Decor is the important one.
Also working on a new main sponsor for our VFL side.
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At the end of the day the threat of potential instability at board level stabilised the current board to levels never before experienced. :gotigers
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We should broker a deal with the Channel 7 News Sports Desk, since we already provide them with so much content ... ;D :-\
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Makes you think that perhaps some very good announcements imminent for the club were divulged at yesterdays meeting and common sense prevailed so as to not jeopardise what's in the pipeline
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The circus has left town
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Anyone who thinks the current status quo are any different to these clowns are kidding themselves.
BT you have have absolutely nailed it son. I've said it before but so many are quick to pay out three stooges but I would rather focus on how stuffin incompetent this current board and FD has been.
What these idiots are doing and have done is far worse.
What I don't get is, why if we were into Balme for a decent period of time, did we resign those duds before he was on board? Were they going somewhere before the big announcement of Balme getting the job? Why not wait to see what he thought of them? We held off for a long while on their contracts which I thought was fantastic but then went ahead and signed them before anything had started.
What about the other appointments, why do that if Balme was onboard. It ties his hands on a lot of things one would imagine. How much difference can he make if everyone has just signed new contracts??
IMO the appointment of Balme was pretty much a last minute thing, I'm not saying they hadn't thought of it before the other mob mentioned it but you cannot tell me it didn't push them a little.
As for the big changes and the review, what really has changed?? Assistant coaches have been sacked?? They shuffled a few deck chairs inside the organisation??
The RFC is a basket case and I'm pretty sure most cannot deny that.
We need change and to date nothing has changed really.
IMO the current board are happy for us to show positive figures on a spread sheet but it seems they don't REALLY care about the thing that most of us here care about. Winning and winning finals.
Why give Dimma a 2 year extension with a year to go on his current contract after not even winning a final after 7 years in charge??
It sounds even worse when you write it. NOT 1 FINALS WIN IN 7 YEARS= 2 year contract extension.
How can a group of supposedly intelligent people agree to that??
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Dont stress Angus the good Doc said in his interview on SEN on Monday that the current mob will sack Hardwick mid next season if things arent going to plan. He guaranteed it dont think it wont he said ;D
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Not enough money for martin
Plenty of salary cap room for Dimmas mates new contracts
:cheers
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The point being there are NOT "3 positions up for grabs at the AGM" but only two. The board have the other as well as Gale.
See Caro's article above, she confirms there are 3 board positions up for grabs this year. O'Neal, Ryan & Dunne
I don't know which part of Caro's article you're referring to with regards to the 3 board positions.
From the article directly above your post I quote the following:
While O'Neal is up for reelection in November she has received the board's nomination leaving director Kerry Ryan the most vulnerable.
Ryan will stand alongside former player Emmett Dunne, who was seconded to the board last month. Already one challenger, lawyer Simon Wallace, has announced his intention to stand.
That to me reads that O'Neal, while being DUE for re-election, has been appointed by the board to fill a board-decided vacancy, only leaving Ryan and Dunne up for election depending on challengers.
Further to these elections, it is also worth noting that Caro also mentions that there may be more APPOINTMENTS made by the board before the AGM.
Fairfax Media expects a further two Richmond directors to stand down over the next month.
So, if true, that would mean a change to the board of as many as four in the space of a couple of months.
O'Neal facing re-election but APPOINTED by the board as their choice, IMO changing her status.
Dunne APPOINTED last month and facing election in December
Ryan APPOINTED to the board and facing re-election in December.
Two further directors standing down next month and obviously their replacements APPOINTED by the board to serve the remainder of the term of resigning directors.
So on a board of 9 the members will only have a choice of 2 directors, Ryan and Dunne or their challengers.
I know that what the board are doing is legal and according to the constitution but I would much prefer they would announce the next two resignations to coincide with the AGM, call for replacement candidates and have an election for all 4 positions, while allowing O'Neal to take her position as a board APPOINTED director.
I personally don't like these board appointed directors but acknowledge the members gave them that right. I also feel that the O'Neal APPOINTMENT is a corruption of the philosophy behind this power. It was and is asserted that this is a way for the board to bring in required skills without having to campaign to members. "New blood" if you will. If O'Neal cannot convince members to vote for her after eleven years on the board with three as President then surely her APPOINTMENT is a direct corruption of members will ie she can't get elected by the members so we'll appoint her despite their wishes.
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I don't know which part of Caro's article you're referring to with regards to the 3 board positions.
From the article directly above your post I quote the following:
That to me reads that O'Neal, while being DUE for re-election, has been appointed by the board to fill a board-decided vacancy, only leaving Ryan and Dunne up for election depending on challengers.
I've read Caro' article to mean that O'Neal wlll be re-elected by the board as President for another term.
But the 3 of them are up for re-election and that a 4th person, Simom Wallace will also be standing.
But i get where you are coming from and how you've interpreted what shes written. Get it.
Will stand corrected if thats the case. We will know soon enough
And agree with y5ou call for the 2 supoosedly resigning in 2017 to do it in time for this years AGM. Makes a lot of sense.
But think youve agaiin highlighted why those constitutional changes were so wrong and dangerous.
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Here's one from the darkest conspiracy corner.
It is possible that Ryan and Dunne resign now from their positions which are up for re-election this year.
They are then appointed as directors to fill the upcoming vacancies which have either one or two more years to run.
When they are due for re-election over coming years, they are APPOINTED as board nominated directors.
Good for stability. Would take at least three more years for a board majority aside from the incumbents to be elected.
Even our board couldn't be that sneaky, could they? Could they?
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Dont stress Angus the good Doc said in his interview on SEN on Monday that the current mob will sack Hardwick mid next season if things arent going to plan. He guaranteed it dont think it wont he said ;D
Granted he is a lunatic but how do we truly know if they couldn't do better than the current on and off the field.
Seriously ask yourself that question and answer it truthfully.
I cant with any degree of certainty given what has transpired prior to these focus on clowns getting involved.
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Dont stress Angus the good Doc said in his interview on SEN on Monday that the current mob will sack Hardwick mid next season if things arent going to plan. He guaranteed it dont think it wont he said ;D
Granted he is a lunatic but how do we truly know if they couldn't do better than the current on and off the field.
Seriously ask yourself that question and answer it truthfully.
I cant with any degree of certainty given what has transpired prior to these focus on clowns getting involved.
Just the personnel in the FoF was enough to have me sceptical. Then Martin Hiscock opened his mouth, and it was all over. They may as well have packed it in at their first press conference. That was as good a demonstration of cluelessness as I've seen in football.
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Dont stress Angus the good Doc said in his interview on SEN on Monday that the current mob will sack Hardwick mid next season if things arent going to plan. He guaranteed it dont think it wont he said ;D
Granted he is a lunatic but how do we truly know if they couldn't do better than the current on and off the field.
Seriously ask yourself that question and answer it truthfully.
I cant with any degree of certainty given what has transpired prior to these focus on clowns getting involved.
Just the personnel in the FoF was enough to have me sceptical. Then Martin Hiscock opened his mouth, and it was all over. They may as well have packed it in at their first press conference. That was as good a demonstration of cluelessness as I've seen in football.
As clueless as the way the club's been run.
I saw a passionate bloke with zero media experience having a real crack because he was stuffn fed up.
It's a shame the club has nobody with those qualities.
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A professional who has excelled in his field of expertise but unqualified to sit on the board of the RFC.
Sounds like any one of the incumbents.
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A professional who has excelled in his field of expertise but unqualified to sit on the board of the RFC.
Sounds like any one of the incumbents.
Actually, he'd probably make a good board member. We need someone with medical expertise on the board. But once he started talking about the game plan, and the Balme stuff, they were dead in the water. Laughable.
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A professional who has excelled in his field of expertise but unqualified to sit on the board of the RFC.
Sounds like any one of the incumbents.
Actually, he'd probably make a good board member. We need someone with medical expertise on the board. But once he started talking about the game plan, and the Balme stuff, they were dead in the water. Laughable.
That's what cardiologists sound like.
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A professional who has excelled in his field of expertise but unqualified to sit on the board of the RFC.
Sounds like any one of the incumbents.
Good point Ox. Imagine being unqualified for our board lol. The mistake he made was he answered questions and didn't give straight bat law speak nothing answers like our bunch of lawyers and accountants do. "Look it's very complicated but we'll go through a thorough process and evaluate the outcomes and make an assessment in due course". Lol. This is all we get anyway. who were the wankers that gave them PR advice. I could have told them to use as many words possible to say nothing. stuffwits.
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Dont stress Angus the good Doc said in his interview on SEN on Monday that the current mob will sack Hardwick mid next season if things arent going to plan. He guaranteed it dont think it wont he said ;D
Granted he is a lunatic but how do we truly know if they couldn't do better than the current on and off the field.
Seriously ask yourself that question and answer it truthfully.
I cant with any degree of certainty given what has transpired prior to these focus on clowns getting involved.
Truthfully, Angus as soon as I saw the name Philip Allison I had massive doubts. That was enough for alarm bells to ring like crazy for me. Then when I saw Monteath & Wood I got really worried
I saw a passionate bloke with zero media experience having a real crack because he was stuffn fed up.
It's a shame the club has nobody with those qualities.
Fair call Ox but they hired one of the best PR companies in the country to assist in that very area. Now eithersaod PR company stuffed then up or they ignored all advise they gave
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They ignored the advise, agree wholeheartedly with Ox but I'd add the blokes ego got in the way of his mouth
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I saw a passionate bloke with zero media experience having a real crack because he was stuffn fed up.
It's a shame the club has nobody with those qualities.
Fair call Ox but they hired one of the best PR companies in the country to assist in that very area. Now eithersaod PR company stuffed then up or they ignored all advise they gave
Public relation companies.
What a stuffen joke they are.
Great at structuring a public figure's downfall, not so good at representing the common Man with a public cause.
Some stuffn hipster advising a cardiologist how and what to say, with an assistant muttering, " heyyyy ....I really like that !!"
Nothing but bad advice from these malakas.
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Dont stress Angus the good Doc said in his interview on SEN on Monday that the current mob will sack Hardwick mid next season if things arent going to plan. He guaranteed it dont think it wont he said ;D
Granted he is a lunatic but how do we truly know if they couldn't do better than the current on and off the field.
Seriously ask yourself that question and answer it truthfully.
I cant with any degree of certainty given what has transpired prior to these focus on clowns getting involved.
Just the personnel in the FoF was enough to have me sceptical. Then Martin Hiscock opened his mouth, and it was all over. They may as well have packed it in at their first press conference. That was as good a demonstration of cluelessness as I've seen in football.
As clueless as the way the club's been run.
I saw a passionate bloke with zero media experience having a real crack because he was stuffn fed up.
It's a shame the club has nobody with those qualities.
Pretty much how I see it
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Can we rename the thread Ox's meltdown thread with special guest appearance from Harry?
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Well done :clapping
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Thank stuff this is over. The last 12 months have been embarrassing enough.
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Fast forward a week and they take credit for Balme coming to the club... ::) their collective input into that was almost stuffing it up but I digrese.
How can you be so sure they almost stuffed it up? I hear they pretty much had him but Balme had to deny it because Richmond were suddenly in his ear and he didn't want to fluff it with the incumbents
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Fast forward a week and they take credit for Balme coming to the club... ::) their collective input into that was almost stuffing it up but I digrese.
How can you be so sure they almost stuffed it up? I hear they pretty much had him but Balme had to deny it because Richmond were suddenly in his ear and he didn't want to fluff it with the incumbents
Becaue I heard what i heard and I'll back that.
Also the journo who rang Balme during the launch is one of the better ones going around back them in over the circus troupe and their PR machine any day
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lol they never said they had Balme. They said they would like him to join and that they would approach him. What's wrong with telling the truth? Does everything have to be law speak? Have more respect for his honesty. So people prefer it when our "leaders" say nothing but spin?
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Can we rename the thread Ox's meltdown thread with special guest appearance from Harry?
One vote for:
"Rose coloured glasses stability society "
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Can you please tell me where you found this latest release.
Since I can't cut and paste I will note two sentences that to me are weird and/or contradictory.
"....the positions of Rex Chadwick and Michael O'Shannassy are to be filled by an election.
Each of these Directors being eligible, may offer themselves for re-election." my bold.
The phrasing is really weird but at least let's us know that there are only two positions up for grabs as the next para says:
" Nominations for positions of the two (2) directors will be accepted...."
That seems to confirm that Peggy is taking a seat as a board nominated director this year.
So WTF with the Chadwick, O'Shannassy spots.
I've got a suspicion that what they meant to say was those spots will be filled by the board and they will be re-elected as usual when their terms expire.
Note that there is the use of the word "may" in the re-election offer.
"Shifty" Stahl seems to be even confused himself with these moves.
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So people prefer it when our "leaders" say nothing but spin?
No, but I prefer our leaders to demonstrate something other than cluelessness.
So you thought FoF were triffic Harry?
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Harry and co are happy to trade one steaming pile of poop for an even steamier pile of poop because at least it's different.
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Can you please tell me where you found this latest release.
Look at the date = 25 Oct 2015 it is last year's AGM notice (which can be found on the RFC website) has nothing to do with this year
lol they never said they had Balme. They said they would like him to join and that they would approach him. What's wrong with telling the truth? Does everything have to be law speak? Have more respect for his honesty. So people prefer it when our "leaders" say nothing but spin?
You didn't see the Dr Hiscock interview on Talking Footy on the Monday evening when he guaranteed they (FoF) would bring Balme to the club? He guaranteed it based on Balme being friends with Wood & Monteath.
Fact is in every interview he did after the launch he said they would either bring guaranteed or they had him. That's what he said.... despite him admitting at no time had they spoken to him. And they now claim some form of credit for getting him to the club
And now as recently as yesterday he has done a 180 and claimed they had had conversations prior to the appointment. .so which is it? Truth, spin or egotistical dribble?
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Harry and co are happy to trade one steaming pile of poop for an even steamier pile of poop because at least it's different.
nailed it Big Willy :clapping
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So Peggy has conveniently avoided re election?
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Can you please tell me where you found this latest release.
Look at the date = 25 Oct 2015 it is last year's AGM notice (which can be found on the RFC website) has nothing to do with this year
Thanks for that WP.
Geez there's some misdirection going on ATM.
Reminds me of the recent argument about the financials. It was only after I'd called the club that I realised all that argument was about the 2015 report.
The only question I've got further to that though is that according to that notice last year only 2 positions were available.
As I understand it, according to the constitutional changes, the board can (and presumably did) take the third spot.
Who was that, cos I can't remember.
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So Peggy has conveniently avoided re election?
Only hinted at in the Caro article you've posted already.
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seems l'm a bit late for the meeting ;D Glad l missed the last year. :lol
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I think I've managed to put together a timeline of sorts of board turnover after some research.
This was mainly prompted by my thinking that there had been no use thus far of the board's right to APPOINT a third of directors each year and have the others ELECTED.
Note that the club site does not give much information since it lists all directors as having been APPOINTED.
They also seem to only list those up for election and don't mention who has been APPOINTED
I prefer the idea of ELECTED and APPOINTED as a description.
The constitutional changes were voted on in 2011 and came into effect in 2012.
2012 - ELECTED Chadwick, Dalton APPOINTED O'Shannassy
2013 - ELECTED Ryan, Matthies APPOINTED O"Neal This was the same year she was made President.
2014 - ELECTED Speed, Walsh APPOINTED Free
2015 - ELECTED Chadwick, O'Shannassy APPOINTED Dalton
2016 - Nominee Ryan, Dunne (taking over from Matthies who resigned last month) APPOINTEE O'Neal.
There's a few pertinent points.
A board APPOINTMENT can only be done for two consecutive 3 year terms.
This would be O'Neal's second such term, counting 2013 as the first.
This can be avoided by the way they've handled Dalton and O'Shannassy.
Dalton was ELECTED in 2012 but APPOINTED in 2015.
In the reverse O'Shannassy was APPOINTED in 2012 but ELECTED in 2015.
The use of the term ELECTED may be distracting.
Some were unopposed as in the case of Speed and Walsh.
They took over the terms of Cameron and Lord in October 2011 and were deemed to have been elected unopposed at that years AGM in December.
Chadwick by contrast was ELECTED in 2009 by beating the incumbent Anthony Mithen. He was re-elected in 2012 and beat out Russo and Dowd in 2015 to keep his spot.
Any other questions I'll try to help.
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Mail is that there was another meeting today
Malvern Group
Stay tuned 😉
Here we go again
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Mail is that there was another meeting today
Malvern Group
Stay tuned 😉
Here we go again
I think they should not rock the boat during the trade period. Just my opinion.
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Mail is that there was another meeting today
Malvern Group
Stay tuned 😉
Here we go again
Their memberships have arrived in the mail.
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Mail is that there was another meeting today
Malvern Group
Stay tuned 😉
Here we go again
Their memberships have arrived in the mail.
Haha
Hayden Morris is a Legends member. Only Jack's Club is above it and that only allows 17 members.
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Mail is that there was another meeting today
Malvern Group
Stay tuned 😉
Here we go again
Their memberships have arrived in the mail.
Haha
Hayden Morris is a Legends member. Only Jack's Club is above it and that only allows 17 members.
Do I have the wrong group? It's hard to keep up with them ;)
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Mail is that there was another meeting today
Malvern Group
Stay tuned 😉
Here we go again
I think they should not rock the boat during the trade period. Just my opinion.
I would agree with that
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Mail is that there was another meeting today
Malvern Group
Stay tuned 😉
Here we go again
I think they should not rock the boat during the trade period. Just my opinion.
I hope the Tigers know the trade period is coming up and it's more than just one day.
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Mail is that there was another meeting today
Malvern Group
Stay tuned 😉
Here we go again
They met with Peggy and Benny
Mmmmmm
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Mail is that there was another meeting today
Malvern Group
Stay tuned 😉
Here we go again
I think they should not rock the boat during the trade period. Just my opinion.
I would agree with that
Good, someone tell them to FO for the next 5 weeks then :whistle
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What worried they might scare off Marley Williams! Please.....good players aren't interested in our club. Maybe a new board might change that.
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Mail is that there was another meeting today
Malvern Group
Stay tuned 😉
Here we go again
Their memberships have arrived in the mail.
Haha
Hayden Morris is a Legends member. Only Jack's Club is above it and that only allows 17 members.
Do I have the wrong group? It's hard to keep up with them ;)
No.
You're just talking poo
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Mail is that there was another meeting today
Malvern Group
Stay tuned 😉
Here we go again
Their memberships have arrived in the mail.
Haha
Hayden Morris is a Legends member. Only Jack's Club is above it and that only allows 17 members.
Do I have the wrong group? It's hard to keep up with them ;)
No.
You're just talking poo
LMAO, that's ironic.
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Mail is that there was another meeting today
Malvern Group
Stay tuned 😉
Here we go again
I think they should not rock the boat during the trade period. Just my opinion.
Hahaha, thats funny poo, dont rock the boat during trade period
Yeah, cause we're just tickled pink with our recent trade history,FMD
Forget rock'n it,I hope they get together and sink the stuffen thing !
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Mail is that there was another meeting today
Malvern Group
Stay tuned 😉
Here we go again
Their memberships have arrived in the mail.
Haha
Hayden Morris is a Legends member. Only Jack's Club is above it and that only allows 17 members.
Do I have the wrong group? It's hard to keep up with them ;)
No.
You're just talking poo
LMAO, that's ironic.
That I called you out, yes.
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Mail is that there was another meeting today
Malvern Group
Stay tuned 😉
Here we go again
I think they should not rock the boat during the trade period. Just my opinion.
Hahaha, thats funny poo, dont rock the boat during trade period
Yeah, cause we're just tickled pink with our recent trade history,FMD
Forget rock'n it,I hope they get together and sink the stuffen thing !
Well let's hope they have their poo together not like the other mob
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There is some funny stuff in here, back flipping band wagoning at its best
https://www.stuff-says-richmond-wouldnt-be-where-it-is-without-their-influence/news-story/dd49fac963411b6615de993711b80dcc?ref=BP_LINKLIST_fox-sports_FOXSPORTS.COM.AU/AFL/stuff-SAYS-RICHMOND-WOULDNT-BE-WHERE-IT-IS-WITHOUT-THEIR-INFLUENCE/NEWS-STORY/DD49FAC963411B6615DE993711B80DCC_failed-coup-leader-claims-credit-for-tiger-rise_110917
DR MARTIN Hiscock, the leader of Richmond’s failed board takeover last year, says the club would not be where it is today without his group’s influence.
The ‘Focus on Footy’ group launched a coup aimed at president Peggy O’Neal and her board this time last year but abandoned the bold plan on September 22 after a messy 17 days of drama and mixed messages.
The cardiologist maintained that the club owes much of its recent success to the group of seven plotters.
“The club was a shambles last year and I stuck my neck out because we wanted to change the club,” Hiscock told foxfooty.com.au from a tribal arts show in Paris.
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claiming the club "owes" its success to them is obviously drawing a long bow. However I think he is onto something when he said he was part of the lynch mob that was bringing in heat to the club. Ultimately I think what we members and supporters wanted was something to change i.e. not just going in with the same poo game plan "we are a low tackling side" with the same personnel. To the club's credit, they got Balme and Caracella. Whether they would have done this regardless following the lacklustre 2016 will always be a mystery but I do think it is important that any club faces a blowtorch if things aren't going well
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Just enjoy the win Dr.
If you deserve credit people will tell you, you don't need to tell us.
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What success can be claimed?
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Have only achieved what we should have - all things considered.
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This just once again proves how clueless the 'Footy Focus' group really were and still are :facepalm. Why come out now? Why come out and rehash all this off-field crap from last year when there's nothing but massive positive momentum at Tigerland and there's still (potentially) two finals to go. We haven't achieved anything major yet! This is about ego and "look at me, look at me" rather than putting the club and especially the team first. Go back into your hole and shut up until the end of the season! ::)
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I agree this all reeks of a massive attention seeking
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They're a disgrace to the medical profession.... :whistle
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from a tribal arts show in Paris.
The AFL has an exhibition in Paris?
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from a tribal arts show in Paris.
The AFL has an exhibition in Paris?
Dunno
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from a tribal arts show in Paris.
The AFL has an exhibition in Paris?
Dunno
I was trying to be funny, but it never seems to work for me.
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from a tribal arts show in Paris.
The AFL has an exhibition in Paris?
Dunno
I was trying to be funny, but it never seems to work for me.
Gotta know your audience. We are very much a simple bunch. Id suggest going low brow. VERY low brow
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There is some funny stuff in here, back flipping band wagoning at its best
https://www.stuff-says-richmond-wouldnt-be-where-it-is-without-their-influence/news-story/dd49fac963411b6615de993711b80dcc?ref=BP_LINKLIST_fox-sports_FOXSPORTS.COM.AU/AFL/stuff-SAYS-RICHMOND-WOULDNT-BE-WHERE-IT-IS-WITHOUT-THEIR-INFLUENCE/NEWS-STORY/DD49FAC963411B6615DE993711B80DCC_failed-coup-leader-claims-credit-for-tiger-rise_110917
DR MARTIN Hiscock, the leader of Richmond’s failed board takeover last year, says the club would not be where it is today without his group’s influence.
The ‘Focus on Footy’ group launched a coup aimed at president Peggy O’Neal and her board this time last year but abandoned the bold plan on September 22 after a messy 17 days of drama and mixed messages.
The cardiologist maintained that the club owes much of its recent success to the group of seven plotters.
“The club was a shambles last year and I stuck my neck out because we wanted to change the club,” Hiscock told foxfooty.com.au from a tribal arts show in Paris.
Me thinks that Martin has his hand on Hiscock
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from a tribal arts show in Paris.
The AFL has an exhibition in Paris?
Dunno
I was trying to be funny, but it never seems to work for me.
Gotta know your audience. We are very much a simple bunch. Id suggest going low brow. VERY low brow
I should have made a joke about the Doctor. Chuck would have liked that!
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from a tribal arts show in Paris.
The AFL has an exhibition in Paris?
Dunno
I was trying to be funny, but it never seems to work for me.
Gotta know your audience. We are very much a simple bunch. Id suggest going low brow. VERY low brow
I should have made a joke about the Doctor. Chuck would have liked that!
Which one of the few hundred on this suite? 😁
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from a tribal arts show in Paris.
The AFL has an exhibition in Paris?
Dunno
I was trying to be funny, but it never seems to work for me.
Or Chunky.... :shh
:cheers
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from a tribal arts show in Paris.
The AFL has an exhibition in Paris?
Dunno
I was trying to be funny, but it never seems to work for me.
Or Chunky.... :shh
:cheers
:cheers
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They're a disgrace to the medical profession.... :whistle
They make us look bad :banghead
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yeah! us proctologists are sick of these clowns
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yeah! us proctologists are sick of these clowns
Dont blame them. You lot need to pull your fingers out. :-[
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:shh >:(
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So has the Penny and Benny show done a good job?
Methinks Yes.
Staved off the challenge, put their faith in Dimma, signed up Balmey :clapping, seems so simple really.
Already my expectations have been exceeded, here we are with the ultimate goal within our grasp and we have the best group of players I have seen at the club since i arrived in Aus in 85.
Hats off to the current board and administration.
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Inb4 one of these clowns claim credit in the media for the premiership
On a lighter note I wonder if we will hear from Dr Harry again (and not the TV one)
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Sure they' were gonna sign Balmey before this....
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Claiming credit for this is like not making the 8 but saying you're going to shape it.
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They were just background noise. :shh
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best they get behind the club now