One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: torch on August 13, 2007, 12:04:05 AM
-
this year ... the draft ... who are the players to look out for and who should we get ... a list of any players who you think will be in the draft or we should get or what ever ... i personally haven't heard much about this draft ... and i already know "they say" it isn't a great draft but that is so not true ... who should we look out for ???
-
Kreuzer is going to Carlton the Tank Engine, that is one definite
-
We will most likely get Trent Cotchin, deledio-type
but I hope we seriously look as masten, classy inside mid to help Foley
others we should look at IMO are:
McEvoy
Rance
Henderson
Vezpremi
Selwood
Gaetner
Neville
McGinnity
-
i like masten and selwood
hard players!
selwood has pedigree, could go in his favour
-
i like masten and selwood
hard players!
selwood has pedigree, could go in his favour
I like Selwood's hardness too, struggling to find a spot for him at AFL though.
Perhaps a Daniel Cross/Daniel Harris type slowish but hard at it mid
-
A rough phantom draft to give a very rough idea of names available. The various State competitions' finals, draft camp results, club needs, etc will move the kids up or down in the eyes of the recruiters before draft day. Trade week will alter which club has exactly what pick as well.
I've got us picking kids up to the 4th round (picks 2, 18, 19, 35, 51) and then a Coburg player like Silvester or Neville at 65. Giving us 5 new kids, a cheap 21/22 year old ready to go plus a PSD pick (ruckman?). A trade as well would make at least a total of 8 changes to the list.
Your Thoughts?
Priority Pick - Pre R1
1. Carlton - Matthew Kreuzer 13 May 89 199 91 (VM)
First Round
2. Richmond - Trent Cotchin 07 Apr 90 184 81 (VM)
3. Carlton - Chris Masten 02 May 89 179 78 (WA)
4. Melbourne - Lachlan Henderson 14 Dec 89 196 90 (VC)
5. Essendon - Rhys Palmer 13 Feb 89 180 76 (WA)
6. Fremantle - Cale Morton 18 Jan 90 192 75 (WA)
7. Adelaide - Brad Ebert 02 Apr 90 187 86 (SA)
8. Bulldogs - Ben McEvoy 11 Jul 89 199 90 (VC)
9. St Kilda - Jarrad Grant 06 Jul 89 191 77 (VM)
10. Brisbane - Scott Selwood 27 Mar 90 184 81 (VC)
11. Collingwood - Jack Grimes 11 May 89 187 76 (VM)
12. Sydney - Addam Maric 18 Apr 90 179 80 (VM)
13. Kangaroos - Cyril Rioli 14 Jul 89 178 74 (NT)
14. West Coast - David Myers 30 Jun 89 190 85 (WA)
15. Port Adel - Tom McNamara 29 Apr 90 189 84 (SA)
16. Hawthorn - Tayte Pears 24 Mar 90 192 90 (WA)
17. Geelong - Tom Bellchambers 09 Jul 89 199 91 (TAS)
Priority Pick - Post R1
18. Richmond - Alex Rance 09 Oct 89 194 87 (WA)
Second Round
19. Richmond - Pat Veszpremi 01 Sep 89 181 83 (VM)
20. Carlton - Tony Notte 15 Apr 90 194 70 (WA)
21. Melbourne - Callan Ward 10 Apr 90 183 71 (VM)
22. Essendon - Zac Millar 12 Mar 89 182 87 (SA)
23. Fremantle- James Polkinghorne 21 Jan 89 181 82 (VM)
24. Adelaide - James Wundke 02 Mar 90 196 87 (SA)
25. Bulldogs - Scott Simpson 19 Oct 89 194 91 (VM)
26. St Kilda - Tom Collier 25 Mar 89 192 86 (TAS)
27. Brisbane - Steven Gaertner 02 Jan 90 196 83 (VM)
28. Collingwood - Will Sullivan 24 Aug 89 202 95 (VM)
29. Sydney - Luke Potts 25 Feb 89 177 68 (VM)
30. Kangaroos- Ashley Arrowsmith 12 Apr 89 188 82 (VM)
31. West Coast - Jarrhan Jacky 05 Apr 89 180 71 (WA)
32. Port Adel - Levi Greenwood 19 Feb 89 181 91 (SA)
33. Hawthorn - Pat McGinnity 18 Feb 89 182 75 (WA)
34. Geelong - Andrew Otten 15 May 89 192 86 (VM)
Third Round
35. Richmond - Mitchell Farmer 04 Jan 89 179 76 (VM)
36. Carlton - Dan McKenna 29 Jun 89 194 82 (VC)
37. Melbourne - James Mulligan 14 Jun 89 201 96 (QLD)
38. Essendon- Darcy Daniher(F/S) 21 Sep 89 192 89 (VM)
39. Fremantle - Sam Fairclough 03 Jul 89 179 80 (SA)
40. Adelaide - Tom Holmes 01 Mar 89 174 73 (SA)
41. Bulldogs - Brent Connelly 24 Feb 89 199 84 (VC)
42. St Kilda - Lee Staple 08 Dec 89 189 80 (SA)
43. Brisbane - Dave Gourdi 24 Nov 89 193 88 (WA)
44. Collingwood - Scott Blesing 11 Feb 90 184 79 (SA)
45. Sydney - Will De Bruin 11 Jun 89 185 77 (VM)
46. Kangaroos - Jarred Petrenko 22 Dec 89 176 75 (SA)
47. West Coast - Luke Sampey 23 May 89 191 91 (WA)
48. Port Adel - Marlan Motlop 17 Apr 90 182 76 (NT)
49. Hawthorn - Ryan Normington 22 Aug 89 186 76 (VC)
50. Geelong - Matt Austin 30 Mar 89 186 74 (VC)
Fourth Round
51. Richmond - Harry Croft 24 Oct 89 192 82 (VM)
52. Carlton - Aaron Joseph 04 Jul 89 178 75 (TAS)
53. Melbourne - Rhyce Prismall 06 Apr 89 189 86 (VM)
54. Essendon - Aaron Day 23 Mar 89 187 96 (SA)
55. Fremantle - Steven Browne 01 Feb 89 181 74 (WA)
56. Adelaide - Kriston Thompson 22 Aug 89 174 72 (SA)
...
Fifth Round
67. Richmond - Jarrod Silvester (FB) or Alistair Neville (MID) (both Coburg)
-
Just a question. Say we wanted Darcy Daniher, so we offer to use pick 19, Essendon have to match that with their 2nd rounder to get him?
-
Rance @ 19 would make me :D
-
Just a question. Say we wanted Darcy Daniher, so we offer to use pick 19, Essendon have to match that with their 2nd rounder to get him?
danniher is over-rated for mine, don't bother.
Hasn't really lit up the TAC cup, lacks agility, but has some footy smarts which would get him drafted
-
Rance @ 19 would make me :D
ditto :thumbsup
1st pick cotchin/masten
Priority pick Rance
2nd round Vezpremi
3rd round McGinnity/Farmer/Sullivan (if he falls through)
(note that I don't mind Farmer but it looks like Kingy has taken the spot I had in mind for a farmer type)
4th round Neville
Would be absolutely rapt, except still haven't got a ruckman unless Sullivan slips
If McEvoy falls through to our 2nd round pick
Then Masten at one (need a quality inside mid), Rance and McEvoy with back to back picks, and the rest as above
-
almost forgot top effort MT :clapping
Although I don't reckon Henderson will go so high re injuries all year
Selwood would be lucky to go as high as 10 on his own performances, but his surname could rocket him that high
Essendon will take Rioli regardless of where their pick is IMO
Rance will go before Pears so a bit of wishful tinkering with the draft order me thinks 8)
Collier could push 1st round, been superb for Tassie until his injury
Motlop will not drop that far, extremely highly rated
Normington is another, athletic type in demand, will go round 2 IMO
Gaertner will push 1st round IMO, better prospect than Tom Williams 3 years back and he went at 6
-
Good effort, i also think you rigged it so we got Rance lol. Otten should go higher.
-
Just a question. Say we wanted Darcy Daniher, so we offer to use pick 19, Essendon have to match that with their 2nd rounder to get him?
danniher is over-rated for mine, don't bother.
Hasn't really lit up the TAC cup, lacks agility, but has some footy smarts which would get him drafted
Don't know much about him personally, I was just wanting to know how the father/Son bidding system works nowadays.
-
Just a question. Say we wanted Darcy Daniher, so we offer to use pick 19, Essendon have to match that with their 2nd rounder to get him?
That's right wayne. The club with the F/S must use their next pick after the bid if they want him. Daniher is also eligible to go F/S to the Swans but the Dons are favourite.
-
Rance will go before Pears so a bit of wishful tinkering with the draft order me thinks 8)
Good effort, i also think you rigged it so we got Rance lol. Otten should go higher.
I've heard different views on Rance. Some rate him highly because there's not too many decent KPPs in this draft and have him top 6 while others are iffy about him. I just listed them first so I didn't deliberately put Rance at 18 but I laughed and thought Ramps will be happy when it worked out that way.
I changed a couple of names around to suit a club need but not too many. I heard Hawk fans say they like Pears so that's why I had him going to Hawthorn.
Yep if Otten keeps his current TAC Cup form up he'll go higher but I still have going second round.
-
Just a question. Say we wanted Darcy Daniher, so we offer to use pick 19, Essendon have to match that with their 2nd rounder to get him?
That's right wayne. The club with the F/S must use their next pick after the bid if they want him. Daniher is also eligible to go F/S to the Swans but the Dons are favourite.
this new rule like all other rules introduced are very frustrating and hard to understand. Why couldn't they just keep the old 3rd rounder >:(
-
almost forgot top effort MT :clapping
Although I don't reckon Henderson will go so high re injuries all year
Selwood would be lucky to go as high as 10 on his own performances, but his surname could rocket him that high
Essendon will take Rioli regardless of where their pick is IMO
Rance will go before Pears so a bit of wishful tinkering with the draft order me thinks 8)
Collier could push 1st round, been superb for Tassie until his injury
Motlop will not drop that far, extremely highly rated
Normington is another, athletic type in demand, will go round 2 IMO
Gaertner will push 1st round IMO, better prospect than Tom Williams 3 years back and he went at 6
Cheers bluey. Here's some of my reasons for where I had each of the above:
Melbourne will need to replace their KPPs so that's why I put Henderson going to the Dees. A "need" selection.
The 3 older Selwoods have proven themselves at AFL level. As you say Bluey his name will see Scott Selwood go early.
I don't rate U18 second division players as highly as others do in this draft so that's why I've got Motlop low. I've only put Rioli at 13 because his profile will have him going high but I'd be disappointed if we went for a 2nd divy player this year. Collier was overlooked last year wasn't he (?) so it'll be interesting to see where he goes this draft.
Gaertner is still very raw. Maybe a top club may go for him late first round but IMO there are "safer" first round options. IMO Tom Williams went too early in that draft.
With Sheeds going I don't see the Bombers taking Rioli whereas I would had he stayed. They do need more runners though as well as defensive talls to replace Fletcher and Michael.
I wasn't sure where to put Normington or the later picks. Before the U18 champs he had fans but his name seems to has dropped off the talk since. 3rd round seemed around the mark.
-
almost forgot top effort MT :clapping
Although I don't reckon Henderson will go so high re injuries all year
Selwood would be lucky to go as high as 10 on his own performances, but his surname could rocket him that high
Essendon will take Rioli regardless of where their pick is IMO
Rance will go before Pears so a bit of wishful tinkering with the draft order me thinks 8)
Collier could push 1st round, been superb for Tassie until his injury
Motlop will not drop that far, extremely highly rated
Normington is another, athletic type in demand, will go round 2 IMO
Gaertner will push 1st round IMO, better prospect than Tom Williams 3 years back and he went at 6
With Sheeds going I don't see the Bombers taking Rioli whereas I would had he stayed. They do need more runners though as well as defensive talls to replace Fletcher and Michael.
yep forgot about that. It is sheeds infatuation with indigenous players not essendon.
From what I hear Sheeds is in love with Junior Rioli, if sheeds goes to melbourne expect rioli there as well :shh
-
Rance @ 19 would make me :D
ditto :thumbsup
1st pick cotchin/masten
Priority pick Rance
2nd round Vezpremi
3rd round McGinnity/Farmer/Sullivan (if he falls through)
(note that I don't mind Farmer but it looks like Kingy has taken the spot I had in mind for a farmer type)
4th round Neville
Would be absolutely rapt, except still haven't got a ruckman unless Sullivan slips
If McEvoy falls through to our 2nd round pick
Then Masten at one (need a quality inside mid), Rance and McEvoy with back to back picks, and the rest as above
I like the sound of the latter bluey if we were that lucky. I don't think though McEvoy will fall to 18/19 but if we able to trade one of those picks up to pick 7 as Ramps suggested then he could come into our range.
It was interesting that Andy Collins played both Polkinghorne and Farmer at Coburg yet not the other Calder boys like Arrowsmith, Daniher, Trengrove or Putt. Makes you wonder if we (RFC) is interested in both.
-
I'll be interested to see how the Melbourne recruiter performs and the kinds of decisions he makes. Isn't he the one we're chasing?
-
I'll be interested to see how the Melbourne recruiter performs and the kinds of decisions he makes. Isn't he the one we're chasing?
That was the word around on here although it's gone pretty quiet lately. Given the Dees are down the bottom of the ladder with us we wouldn't be picking up a recruiter from a top side :-\.
-
I'll be interested to see how the Melbourne recruiter performs and the kinds of decisions he makes. Isn't he the one we're chasing?
That was the word around on here although it's gone pretty quiet lately. Given the Dees are down the bottom of the ladder with us we wouldn't be picking up a recruiter from a top side :-\.
i could be a recruiter for the right amount of cash lol
-
An article in the Herald-Sun about the NT kids:
NT coach Damian Hale expects at least two NTFL youngsters will be drafted in November. Cyril "Junior Boy" Rioli, who has a scholarship to attend Melbourne's Scotch College, is expected to go in the first round. And Marlon Motlop, a cousin of Port Adelaide's Daniel Motlop, is also a likely high draft pick.
"I think they (AFL recruiters) err on the side of caution with Northern Territory guys," Hale said.
"Richard Tambling and (Carlton's) Joe Anderson have gone straight through in the past couple of years, but Aaron and Alwyn Davey, Matty Stokes and Matty Campbell had to play elsewhere before getting an AFL opportunity.
"A lot of clubs say the players are too small but they certainly seem to have a match-up in the teams."
Hale said Austin Wonaeamirri, 19, who played for Norwood in the SANFL this year, would be an ideal AFL rookie. He also said the Territory's juniors played in the second division championships, making it impossible for recruiters to compare apples with apples".
Full article at: http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22246804%255E19742,00.html
-
Cotchin will come to Richmond with our 1st pick, put my house on it (even though I don't own one :rollin)
Richmond are a huge wrap for him I hear, and he is a Richmond supporter.
-
A Richmond supporter rang up SEN's VFL show and asked about Al Neville as far as a late draft pick. The presenter said Andy Collins rates Al Neville as high as he rated/rates Jake King.
-
A Richmond supporter rang up SEN's VFL show and asked about Al Neville as far as a late draft pick. The presenter said Andy Collins rates Al Neville as high as he rated/rates Jake King.
If we were to snap him up I'd say it would have to be a 4th rounder at the latest, otherwise other clubs will be snooping :banghead
-
who else is jealous that Carlton might get DP1 Kruezer AND DP3 >:(
-
Just a question. Say we wanted Darcy Daniher, so we offer to use pick 19, Essendon have to match that with their 2nd rounder to get him?
That's right wayne. The club with the F/S must use their next pick after the bid if they want him. Daniher is also eligible to go F/S to the Swans but the Dons are favourite.
this new rule like all other rules introduced are very frustrating and hard to understand. Why couldn't they just keep the old 3rd rounder >:(
You could maybe use it to your advantage.
Hypothetically, say last year we kept pick 8. We want Joel Selwood and he's available at 7 and Geelong are keen. We say we are using pick 8 on Tom Hawkins, Geelong have to use their first round pick to get Tom Hawkins thus letting Selwood slip to 8 and we grab him.
-
From what I hear Sheeds is in love with Junior Rioli, if sheeds goes to melbourne expect rioli there as well :shh
I reckon Melbourne could get themselves a few first round picks. I'd have almost everyone up for trade bar McLean.
Early second round pick and Brad Green could upgrade them to a 8-10 pick.
-
A Richmond supporter rang up SEN's VFL show and asked about Al Neville as far as a late draft pick. The presenter said Andy Collins rates Al Neville as high as he rated/rates Jake King.
I heard that call, I thought it may have been WP!
-
Just a question. Say we wanted Darcy Daniher, so we offer to use pick 19, Essendon have to match that with their 2nd rounder to get him?
That's right wayne. The club with the F/S must use their next pick after the bid if they want him. Daniher is also eligible to go F/S to the Swans but the Dons are favourite.
this new rule like all other rules introduced are very frustrating and hard to understand. Why couldn't they just keep the old 3rd rounder >:(
You could maybe use it to your advantage.
Hypothetically, say last year we kept pick 8. We want Joel Selwood and he's available at 7 and Geelong are keen. We say we are using pick 8 on Tom Hawkins, Geelong have to use their first round pick to get Tom Hawkins thus letting Selwood slip to 8 and we grab him.
In that scenario, Geelong would have had to use their next pick after our bid of pick 8 to get Hawkins so they would still have got Selwood and Hawkins but Hawkins would have been picked up with their second pick instead of a 3rd rounder.
For us to get Selwood last year under the new F/S rule we would have needed a Club with a pick before Geelong's first pick to have made a bid for Hawkins. Given Hawkins was classed as a first pick last year if he wasn't a F/S, Carlton would have bidded for him and Geelong would have been forced to take Hawkins at pick 7 and we would have got Selwood at pick 8.
-
who else is jealous that Carlton might get DP1 Kruezer AND DP3 >:(
Not jealous but just believe they should get this charity. They are only crap now because they got caught blatantly cheating the salary cap and were punished. Why is the AFL now making up for the draft picks they deservedly lost for cheating!
Kreuzer, Murphy, Gibbs and Masten. They're going to have a strong starting centre bounce foursome in a few years time :scream.
A Richmond supporter rang up SEN's VFL show and asked about Al Neville as far as a late draft pick. The presenter said Andy Collins rates Al Neville as high as he rated/rates Jake King.
I heard that call, I thought it may have been WP!
;D
-
Quite a long post. Enjoy!!
No Priority Pick For Carlton:
1. Richmond: Kreuzer = Seems competitive, see him more as a power forward. Smashed by Naitanui (ruck duels) in Perth. Too small for a ruckmen? In racing parlance: the one to beat. When in Ruck = behind the play Ruckmen. Sorry to say = Brad Ottens at the carnival when he was in the ruck, especially in last 2 games.
2. Melbourne: Cotchin = Same as Deledio. Never played against men. Cocky. Can’t break a tag like Brett also. Steer clear. Too much work.
3. Carlton: Palmer = Josh Carr with more flamboyance. Was fed by McGinnity and Masten in Perth. Will have trouble with weight. No thanks.
4. Adelaide: Masten = A rich man’s Jimmy Bartel. Class. Great Engine. Great, great leader. If Carlton gain picks 1 & 4 Masten is Richmond’s man.
5. Fremantle: Rance = Tough. Darren Glass clone.
6. Brisbane: Morton = Overrated. Is soft. Birchall type. Too much work. How he won the medal is beyond me. Absolutely not.
7. Essendon: Kangars = Bombers to get him for spite (Marshmallows). Kidding. Athlete. Improving. Good closing speed. Bomber defenders getting old.
8. W.B: Henderson = Doggies need Key forwards.
9. ST Kilda: Pears = Would have liked Rance (Max is getting on) go for his mate. Reminds me of our Will Thursfield. 2nd Tall defender.
10. Haw: Grimes = Underrated. Like him. Old fashioned footballer. Utility type. Not for us though.
11. Syd: Myers / Hobbs = Myers is soft. Replacement for Kennelly. Hobbs is my smoky. Would love him at Richmond. Good pack mark and good hands. CHF.
12. Port: Ebert = Tradition continues. Like cousin. Both a little soft?
13. WC: Vespresmi = Overrated. Subi Special. = Nicoski.
14. Kang: Polkinghorne = Lenny Hayes. Kangas continue with clearance kings.
15. Coll: Maric = Cocky. Arrogant. Bad team-mate. Think Richo at his worst. Malthouse may think he can turn him around. He won’t. Needs whole forward fifty to survive. Will never have stamina required to reach midfield.
16. Geelong: Bellchambers = Clark Keating. Good tap ruckmen. Underrated. Better ‘tap’ ruckmen / and centre square ruckmen than Kreuzer. Ottens and King hate each others guts. Replacement.
17. Rich: McGinnity = Rich man’s Dean Polo / Brady Rawlings. Lock down man. Great kick. A ripper. Should be ours.
18. Melb: McEvoy = Overrated. Terrible carnival. Dees need Ruckmen.
19. Rich: Gourdis = Lance Franklin, not as quick. Has tricks. Physical specimen unlike Franklin. Get him as I think Hughes may fail. Hughes is far too timid for my liking. Underrated is Gourdis.
20. Melb: Aaron Joseph = tough onballer. Good clearance player. Reminds me of Lonergan from Ess, who will be a gun. Tasmanian mids are a good group coming through. Craig Cameron has got Tassies before (Green) Joseph would eat Green if he had too.
If Carlton get priority pick: It changes the dynamics for each team. It really does.
1. Kreuzer 2. Masten 3. Cotchin 4. Palmer 5. Morton 6. Rance 7. Selwood 8. Kangars 9. Henderson 10. Pears 11. Grimes 12. Myers / Hobbs (smoky) 13. Ebert 14. Vespresmi 15. Polkinghorne 16. Maric 17. Bellchambers 18. McGinnity 19. McEvoy 20. Gourdis 21. Joseph 22. Browne.
Our Draft Choices: Picks
1 / 2 Matt Kreuzer / Chris Masten
17 / 18 Patty McGinnity
19 / 20 Dave Gourdis
35 / 36 Ryan Hobbs = 194cm Only forward to beat W.A at championships. Not known by many. So keep it under your hat. = CHF: replacement for Hughes? Our Riewoldt I believe is a 3rd tall despite ability. Plays tall does Hobbs. Sydney are looking closely.
51 / 52 Silvestor = Mal Michael. Will be at Richmond. May have to get him with earlier pick (35 – 36) St Kilda are sniffing around. Re (Hudghton getting on)
67 / 68 Croft: 192 cms. Plays on 3rd tall in Defence. Release Newman into Midfield.
Or Dean Putt. Ruckmen who nobody is talking about. 202cm holds his own against ‘better rucks’. Developmental type player. Will take 3 years.
83 / 84 Searl : 198 cm. Can’t have too many Key Defenders. (North Ballarat) I like him. Can play both ends.
2 Rookie picks: Mullins (Cob) = Jeff Farmer hopefully without the trouble. Good defensive skills. We need a crumbing – lock it in small in our forward half.
Gazzo (Coburg Tigers) = touch of class. Shaun Hart. I believe he can be a utility – lock down Hart like player. Better than a Rookie choice. Can kick goals also.
PSD: Meesan = We won’t get Charman. Thought about a trade earlier for Wood. Not worth it. Get Meesan for nothing in PSD + Graham+Putt+Simmonds+Pattison = Good ruck stops for a decade or more. Kreuzer is more your Power forward I believe. Good Back up ruckmen and potentially great KPP forward of centre is Kruezer.
Note: Richmond should do everything in their power to get another type 5 pick. Rance is as good as a lock down stuff I have seen since Darren Glass.
1 / 2 = Kreuzer / Masten
5 = Rance.
2008 Draft picks: NAB National Draft
Keep an eye out for Michael Hurley (VM) & Chris Yarran (WA). Both going to be champions of the game. Picks 1 and 4 next year?
Don’t get spooked by Naitanui. Is only an athlete playing football. Will not make it. The 2 boys above are outstanding, outstanding footballers.
Michael Hurley: Bottom age. 192+ growing plug in and play anywhere up the spine.
Chris Yarran: = 16 yrs old. More clever version of our own Peterson (who by the way is a player). Think Didak, Dale Thomas, Maric (draft this year), Ebert (Port) Akermanis, Brad Johnson, Daniel Motlop, Brett Deledio and Rhan Hooper all in one. Superstar. Plays tall.
The ideal set up of an AFL team now is this:
18 Midfielders:
4 Rucks:
6 Tall forwards (With 3 potentially filling in at Ruck):
7 Tall Defenders:
2 Back Pocket specialists:
2 Forward pocket specialists:
Fill them in at your leisure.
-
seems like everyone except who we are drafting are duds ::)
nice try
-
Sorry but i cant take him seriously ... seems to have issues with young cale morton who is a player and will be a very good player at AFL level.
-
Sorry but i cant take him seriously ... seems to have issues with young cale morton who is a player and will be a very good player at AFL level.
don't worry ramps, he will be gone as soon as there is no more love for him.
I have sneaking suspicions that he/she was evaluator, then pattersonmillar and I was reading PRE and on there he is aoxiprawy or something.
-
on Morton, I agree that he is an elite talent, however I hope he doesn't come to Punt Road. He isn't the player we need with our first pick. Similar player to Joel IMHO and won't provide any actual defensive work a la Joel, but will become one of the best attacking HBF
-
If we went for type we need then Masten would go with our first pick if Carlton get Kreuzer. We need ballwinners who can break into space; not more outside types.
-
If we went for type we need then Masten would go with our first pick if Carlton get Kreuzer. We need ballwinners who can break into space; not more outside types.
agreed, masten is the type of player we need. Gut feeling still is that Cotchin will be a tiger, even if we get pick1
-
If we went for type we need then Masten would go with our first pick if Carlton get Kreuzer. We need ballwinners who can break into space; not more outside types.
agreed, masten is the type of player we need. Gut feeling still is that Cotchin will be a tiger, even if we get pick1
Wooh that would be a big call after all the bagging the Club gets over missing out on Pavlich and Franklin. Any more to the gut feeling bluey? I would've thought whoever ended up with pick 1 would be committed to taking Kreuzer.
-
If we went for type we need then Masten would go with our first pick if Carlton get Kreuzer. We need ballwinners who can break into space; not more outside types.
agreed, masten is the type of player we need. Gut feeling still is that Cotchin will be a tiger, even if we get pick1
Wooh that would be a big call after all the bagging the Club gets over missing out on Pavlich and Franklin. Any more to the gut feeling bluey? I would've thought whoever ended up with pick 1 would be committed to taking Kreuzer.
he is a richmond supporter, and rumours are that Richmond are a big wrap for him.
And don't worry Carlton have the 1st pick, so no need to work about Kreuzer
-
If we went for type we need then Masten would go with our first pick if Carlton get Kreuzer. We need ballwinners who can break into space; not more outside types.
agreed, masten is the type of player we need. Gut feeling still is that Cotchin will be a tiger, even if we get pick1
Wooh that would be a big call after all the bagging the Club gets over missing out on Pavlich and Franklin. Any more to the gut feeling bluey? I would've thought whoever ended up with pick 1 would be committed to taking Kreuzer.
he is a richmond supporter, and rumours are that Richmond are a big wrap for him.
That's what the Club said about Alex Gilmour :-\
-
...but gilmour was a speculative/project type player
Cotchin comes in almost blue-chip
-
http://video2.foxsports.com.au/video.php?cat=154&id=3348 (http://video2.foxsports.com.au/video.php?cat=154&id=3348)
interesting video of Chris Masten
Quality not great but still some good viewing :thumbsup
-
i would rather masten over cotchin from what i saw during the carnival, but iirc , someone mentioned that cotchin played with a sever injury
lets just pray for 2 things,
1/ the demons make sure they lose in rnd 22
2/ the tigers make the right picks , this is the draft that will make or break us. pick smart and our list will solidify, pick badly and we will turn to rubble
-
agreed that Masten is the type of player we need ... after kreuzer
but would not be disapointed at all with Cotchin :thumbsup
-
2/ the tigers make the right picks , this is the draft that will make or break us. pick smart and our list will solidify, pick badly and we will turn to rubble
you could argue every draft with that angle in fact every year that second point gets raised by someone, congrats your the first and i garuntee you you wont be the last this year AND all the following years too ;D
-
Its always good to have a back-up so here's what I think we should do with my limited knowledge.
Pick 2.
Masten: Onballer that dishes it out beautifully and not another outside player like Morton that we dont need.
Cotchin: Silky, silky, silky. The X-factor that can tear games apart but I lead towards Masten because he's rough and tough which is what we need, we already have alot of silk that just needs to disher.
Pick 18/19 (Priority and subsequent pick)
Tayte Pears: The CHB we need, Rance will go before him but Rance isnt worth pick 2 so we have to take that. At 90kgs and 192cms we cant say no, already very well built with sufficient skills. :thumbsup
Jack Grimes: If we end up with Cotchin or Kruezer I'd love this kid at Tigerland as a rover in the Foley ilk. Needs a bit of work on kicking but could be ironed out and is a ball winner, not a receiver. As captain or Cotchin and Kruezer he must have good leadership skills too and I hear he is a massive worker.
Tom Collier: Being injured for the season may let the kid drop. Not sure where he will end up but plays solidly as a backman and in spells on the ball. Is very well built.
Tom Bellchambers: Maybe a bit too one-dimensional to go this early but as a ruckamn he is very good. As a mover and player around the ground there is much work to do. Maybe one to look at at this stage but probably taking a gamble.
Pick 36ish:
Bellchambers: Again.
Jay Bowden: I dont know where he'll go in this draft but I like the look of him. Usually a midfield runner but played forward for Tassie in the champs and had a very good carnival. I like versitile players at later picks and I think he might be worth looking at although maybe more at the 50 mark of our next pick. Tough to say.
Adam Maric: Possibly a slider, great champs but I see him more as a Neon Leon type. Would be a good pick at 36, many have him top 15, and quite a few have him 50ish. I'd like to think he'd slip to here with the plethora of smaller blokes in the draft and big men being drafted earlier than they should, and we get ourselves a bargain HFF player that does find the ball.
pick 50ish:
Jay Bowden: Again
Andrew Renton: Has improved in the ruck this year and seems to still have improvement in him. Long term ruckman prospect but a decent one none-the-less, would be a gamble this early tbh.
Chris Kangars: Just incase we still havent got a KPP backman by now he may be an option, very much a backman. Handballs alot, kicks rarely. Thats not so bad, shows he likes to stay at home and be accountable.
Pick 65+s
Andrew Renton: again
Polkinghorne: Give the little rover a decent go at it I say. Decent rover that could turn into something. Maybe just a rookie though, No earlier than our 5th pick.
Jarrad Sylvester: Alot has been said about him. Has come leaps and bounds this year. Definitely wouldn't get him before our 4th pick though.
Luke Sampey: Will be slipper I'm sure of it. A FF and nothing else. Good player but will a club risk an early pick on a unversatile FF. Would be good at a pick around here.
Ryan Hobbs: Its all pretty hush hush on this kid so he's likely to slip this far but from memory was in the best twice in the champs and can play forward or back. 194cms and already 89 kgs at 18 so should be room to grow even more and would be more than handy at a pick this late.
Lee Staple: May be worth it here at 189cms and only 80 kgs but would need to hit the weights and we dont need another like him since we already have Thursty and McGuane.
Remember limited knowledge so feel free to correct me on anything or shoot me down if I've rated a dud.
-
Ryan Hobbs: Its all pretty hush hush on this kid so he's likely to slip this far but from memory was in the best twice in the champs and can play forward or back. 194cms and already 89 kgs at 18 so should be room to grow even more and would be more than handy at a pick this late.
where this kid goes will be very interesting. Like you I think he will slip and be a real diamond in the rought.
-
i believe we need tough midfielders ...
Cotchin seems to be our man ...
i don't want Kreuzer ... so carlton will take him ...
but if we get the 1st pick ... we would probably take him ... but i would want a midfielder ...
Masten is the other highly rated midfielder ... i just want a tough, ball winning midfielder ...
-
Masten reminds of a young Hasleby
Good young talent who busts his gut on field, but will not be a superstar
-
Our first pick will be used on either Kreuzer, Cotchin or Morton. Our view of the top 3 in the draft. The top 6 are rated highly. Palmer is considered to go mid first round.
Young ruckmen are considered high risks (the taller the kid the greater the risk). McEvoy is seen as a tall forward.
I was told by someone else we have interest in 4 kids from the Northern Knights. Kreuzer, Cotchin, ?, ?.
-
I also forgot to mention that we shouldn't get our hopes up as far as sorting out our backline frailties in the short term (2008) as far as the draft goes. The Club knows it's in trouble with the big lug forwards who play from the goalsquare like a Lynch or Gehrig but sees the best defenders as being around the 192cm mark (Glass) yet strong.
-
I was told by someone else we have interest in 4 kids from the Northern Knights. Kreuzer, Cotchin, ?, ?.
I'd say the others would be Veszpremi and Grimes
-
I also forgot to mention that we shouldn't get our hopes up as far as sorting out our backline frailties in the short term (2008) as far as the draft goes. The Club knows it's in trouble with the big lug forwards who play from the goalsquare like a Lynch or Gehrig but sees the best defenders as being around the 192cm mark (Glass) yet strong.
Yup, Alex Rance and Tayte Pears the front runners. :thumbsup
Those guys are already bigger than Thursty or Mcguane.
-
There was no talk of our other picks but fingers crossed tigersalive.
Btw Masten supposedly has a bit of hot head. I didn't think that was a bad thing given that's what they said about Franklin and Connors.
I was told by someone else we have interest in 4 kids from the Northern Knights. Kreuzer, Cotchin, ?, ?.
I'd say the others would be Veszpremi and Grimes
Veszpremi surprisingly wasn't one of them GB ???
-
There was no talk of our other picks but fingers crossed tigersalive.
Btw Masten supposedly has a bit of hot head. I didn't think that was a bad thing given that's what they said about Franklin and Connors.
I was told by someone else we have interest in 4 kids from the Northern Knights. Kreuzer, Cotchin, ?, ?.
I'd say the others would be Veszpremi and Grimes
Veszpremi surprisingly wasn't one of them GB ???
Hobbs? Or Hurley(if he's eligable??)
-
Hobbs? Or Hurley(if he's eligable??)
Hurley isn't eligible and Hobbs is from North Ballarat. The only other Northern Knight in the Vic Metro side was midfielder Brett Meredith?
-
i believe we need tough midfielders ...
Cotchin seems to be our man ...
From what I've read, Cotchin is more of a Deledio type utility, not the tough midfielder you are after. Masten would be the better match for what you are looking for at this stage.
-
i believe we need tough midfielders ...
Cotchin seems to be our man ...
From what I've read, Cotchin is more of a Deledio type utility, not the tough midfielder you are after. Masten would be the better match for what you are looking for at this stage.
Miller reckons Cotchin can play in all positions for his size - inside mid, outside, HBF, midsize forward, etc. During the U18 champs Cotchin not only was carrying a shoulder injury but was also carrying some knee injury. Unless Melbourne tank in round 22 I would say Cotchin will be a Tiger come late November.
-
this draft for us will be about our priority pick selection and our 2nd round selection. Get these two correct and we will have had a good draft.
-
Don't be surprised if we don't pick up as many talls as supporters want.
Miller (and presumably Plough and the club as a whole) basically see modern footy heading towards where a side is made up of "18 midfielders with a big bloke at either end".
Greg also said that most young draftees these days take 4-5 years to come on and that you will hardly see any club getting rid of their younger players before this time.
So make of that what you will as far as a 3rd-year player like Meyer as concerned.
-
Don't be surprised if we don't pick up as many talls as supporters want.
Miller (and presumably Plough and the club as a whole) basically see modern footy heading towards where a side is made up of "18 midfielders with a big bloke at either end".
Greg also said that most young draftees these days take 4-5 years to come on and that you will hardly see any club getting rid of their younger players before this time.
So make of that what you will as far as a 3rd-year player like Meyer as concerned.
Food for thought for all supporters! - there is not much value in training the young fellows for other clubs to get the benefit of your labour
-
Don't be surprised if we don't pick up as many talls as supporters want.
Miller (and presumably Plough and the club as a whole) basically see modern footy heading towards where a side is made up of "18 midfielders with a big bloke at either end".
Greg also said that most young draftees these days take 4-5 years to come on and that you will hardly see any club getting rid of their younger players before this time.
So make of that what you will as far as a 3rd-year player like Meyer as concerned.
Food for thought for all supporters! - there is not much value in training the young fellows for other clubs to get the benefit of your labour
i hears ya
-
So make of that what you will as far as a 3rd-year player like Meyer as concerned.
I guess unless they are a Dean Limbach or Marty McGrath case.
-
i believe we need tough midfielders ...
Cotchin seems to be our man ...
From what I've read, Cotchin is more of a Deledio type utility, not the tough midfielder you are after. Masten would be the better match for what you are looking for at this stage.
Miller reckons Cotchin can play in all positions for his size - inside mid, outside, HBF, midsize forward, etc. During the U18 champs Cotchin not only was carrying a shoulder injury but was also carrying some knee injury. Unless Melbourne tank in round 22 I would say Cotchin will be a Tiger come late November.
unless kreuzer is available Cotchin will be in the yellow and black :shh
But imagine if we did get him, look at our midfield depth if they reach their full potential
Starting on ball --> Foley, Cotchin, Lids
Next rotation --> Connors, Blingers, Edwards
If need be --> Polo, Cogs
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
:gotigers
-
i believe we need tough midfielders ...
Cotchin seems to be our man ...
From what I've read, Cotchin is more of a Deledio type utility, not the tough midfielder you are after. Masten would be the better match for what you are looking for at this stage.
Miller reckons Cotchin can play in all positions for his size - inside mid, outside, HBF, midsize forward, etc. During the U18 champs Cotchin not only was carrying a shoulder injury but was also carrying some knee injury. Unless Melbourne tank in round 22 I would say Cotchin will be a Tiger come late November.
unless kreuzer is available Cotchin will be in the yellow and black :shh
But imagine if we did get him, look at our midfield depth if they reach their full potential
Starting on ball --> Foley, Cotchin, Lids
Next rotation --> Connors, Blingers, Edwards
If need be --> Polo, Cogs
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
:gotigers
Rainesy will probably be thrown into the midfield mix as well.
-
Greg also said that most young draftees these days take 4-5 years to come on and that you will hardly see any club getting rid of their younger players before this time.
hmm - how long we we have Ottens? 5 years? Or was it six?
-
Ottens was a whole other issue.
-
Greg also said that most young draftees these days take 4-5 years to come on and that you will hardly see any club getting rid of their younger players before this time.
hmm - how long we we have Ottens? 5 years? Or was it six?
Ottens was a champion after 3 years. We should have delisted him after his injury. Complete waste of time and money. Geelong should have paid us for his rehab.
-
Don't be surprised if we don't pick up as many talls as supporters want.
Miller (and presumably Plough and the club as a whole) basically see modern footy heading towards where a side is made up of "18 midfielders with a big bloke at either end".
Greg also said that most young draftees these days take 4-5 years to come on and that you will hardly see any club getting rid of their younger players before this time.
So make of that what you will as far as a 3rd-year player like Meyer as concerned.
Whilst I can see the way we are heading, we need to have a careful look at where the Bulldogs are at right now, it's a perfect example of being too light on for talls. We will be without Gaspar, Hall, Knobel, Kingsley, maybe Moore next year, we will need some replacements.
The focus needs to be on 3-4 years from now, we need to be planning ahead and drafting talls now so that they have plenty of time to develop. The way we have operated in the past is to only address the need once it is too late, that puts enourmous pressure on the players we draft. If we are drafting more talls now they can be given the time to develop. The other point is that we need enough talls on the list to ensure there is the competition for places. We can't have players getting free games simply because they're > 190cm tall.
-
Don't be surprised if we don't pick up as many talls as supporters want.
Miller (and presumably Plough and the club as a whole) basically see modern footy heading towards where a side is made up of "18 midfielders with a big bloke at either end".
Greg also said that most young draftees these days take 4-5 years to come on and that you will hardly see any club getting rid of their younger players before this time.
So make of that what you will as far as a 3rd-year player like Meyer as concerned.
Whilst I can see the way we are heading, we need to have a careful look at where the Bulldogs are at right now, it's a perfect example of being too light on for talls. We will be without Gaspar, Hall, Knobel, Kingsley, maybe Moore next year, we will need some replacements.
The focus needs to be on 3-4 years from now, we need to be planning ahead and drafting talls now so that they have plenty of time to develop. The way we have operated in the past is to only address the need once it is too late, that puts enourmous pressure on the players we draft. If we are drafting more talls now they can be given the time to develop. The other point is that we need enough talls on the list to ensure there is the competition for places. We can't have players getting free games simply because they're > 190cm tall.
Agree with everything you've said jezza. The problem for us is the best kids in this draft seem to be ruckmen and midfielders. Not too many KPPs. Maybe if we're lucky a Rance, Pears or another young KPP will still be around at pick 18/19. Next year's draft we'll have to find some more talls with Hurley the standout at this point in time. Miller of course will try to fill holes during trade week.
-
Agree with everything you've said jezza. The problem for us is the best kids in this draft seem to be ruckmen and midfielders. Not too many KPPs. Maybe if we're lucky a Rance, Pears or another young KPP will still be around at pick 18/19. Next year's draft we'll have to find some more talls with Hurley the standout at this point in time. Miller of course will try to fill holes during trade week.
Certainly early on in the draft the focus will be on rucks and midfielders, but there's always talls there late, even rookie list, we just need to ensure we are taking some every year, then we can given them time to develop, make sure there is competition for places, and have the luxury to cut those that don't make it, rather than have to keep them on year after year because we don't have better options. We'll be bringing in probably 8 or so new players to the club next year, no excuses not to bring in any.
-
Agree with everything you've said jezza. The problem for us is the best kids in this draft seem to be ruckmen and midfielders. Not too many KPPs. Maybe if we're lucky a Rance, Pears or another young KPP will still be around at pick 18/19. Next year's draft we'll have to find some more talls with Hurley the standout at this point in time. Miller of course will try to fill holes during trade week.
Certainly early on in the draft the focus will be on rucks and midfielders, but there's always talls there late, even rookie list, we just need to ensure we are taking some every year, then we can given them time to develop, make sure there is competition for places, and have the luxury to cut those that don't make it, rather than have to keep them on year after year because we don't have better options. We'll be bringing in probably 8 or so new players to the club next year, no excuses not to bring in any.
True jezza.
I think you've hit the nail on the head about us taking young KPPs as rookies as well as in the draft. That was the only thing I was really disappointed with our drafting last year. Not rookieing a young tall.
-
Yep. Unless we have plenty on the main list of any one type, I think we should pretty much always have 1 ruck, 1 KPP, 1 rover, and one wingman/flanker on the rookie list.
-
rumour going around is masten is being nursed through the season as he has OP, can anyone confirm?
and if true, there may (although very unlikely) be a chance that he slides :pray
-
Anyone rate Luke Casey-Leigh from Sandringham Dragons as a late pick or as a potential rookie?
197cm and held Kreuzer goalless a few weeks back and was named BOG today. In fact named BOG in 3 of his past 4 games. Just so happens to be the (step-?) son of Clinton Casey too.
http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Luke%20Casey-Leigh&action=PSTATS&pID=143805921&client=1-3020-0-40212-4413280 (http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Luke%20Casey-Leigh&action=PSTATS&pID=143805921&client=1-3020-0-40212-4413280)
-
NFI, have not seen much junior footy this year
-
Anyone rate Luke Casey-Leigh from Sandringham Dragons as a late pick or as a potential rookie?
197cm and held Kreuzer goalless a few weeks back and was named BOG today. In fact named BOG in 3 of his past 4 games. Just so happens to be the (step-?) son of Clinton Casey too.
http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Luke%20Casey-Leigh&action=PSTATS&pID=143805921&client=1-3020-0-40212-4413280 (http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Luke%20Casey-Leigh&action=PSTATS&pID=143805921&client=1-3020-0-40212-4413280)
Most likely played APS footy for majority of the season.
-
Anyone rate Luke Casey-Leigh from Sandringham Dragons as a late pick or as a potential rookie?
197cm and held Kreuzer goalless a few weeks back and was named BOG today. In fact named BOG in 3 of his past 4 games. Just so happens to be the (step-?) son of Clinton Casey too.
http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Luke%20Casey-Leigh&action=PSTATS&pID=143805921&client=1-3020-0-40212-4413280 (http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Luke%20Casey-Leigh&action=PSTATS&pID=143805921&client=1-3020-0-40212-4413280)
Most likely played APS footy for majority of the season.
He's listed though as playing 16 (out of 18) TAC Cup games this year GB.
-
Anyone rate Luke Casey-Leigh from Sandringham Dragons as a late pick or as a potential rookie?
197cm and held Kreuzer goalless a few weeks back and was named BOG today. In fact named BOG in 3 of his past 4 games. Just so happens to be the (step-?) son of Clinton Casey too.
http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Luke%20Casey-Leigh&action=PSTATS&pID=143805921&client=1-3020-0-40212-4413280 (http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Luke%20Casey-Leigh&action=PSTATS&pID=143805921&client=1-3020-0-40212-4413280)
Most likely played APS footy for majority of the season.
He's listed though as playing 16 (out of 18) TAC Cup games this year GB.
oops. Bad assumption.
-
Did anyone hear this on SEN?
OK i was talking to the step dad and he was telling me about an interview he heard on SEN a couple of days ago, They where talking to Terry Wallace was planning to pick up Cyril Rioli with there 2nd pick.
http://www.bomberblitz.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=36214
-
Did anyone hear this on SEN?
OK i was talking to the step dad and he was telling me about an interview he heard on SEN a couple of days ago, They where talking to Terry Wallace was planning to pick up Cyril Rioli with there 2nd pick.
http://www.bomberblitz.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=36214
Nope, but if any of you stalkers can give us a wrap up on him :cheers
-
Did anyone hear this on SEN?
OK i was talking to the step dad and he was telling me about an interview he heard on SEN a couple of days ago, They where talking to Terry Wallace was planning to pick up Cyril Rioli with there 2nd pick.
http://www.bomberblitz.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=36214
Nope, but if any of you stalkers can give us a wrap up on him :cheers
To begin with I'd say this person may have got confused here. If you said "the Tigers 2nd pick" to me I'd think pick 17 but on that forum they seem to think we mean our 1st pick which is no. 2 in the draft. :-\
According to Weaver on BF. . .
16. Cyril 'Junior' Rioli (Rover / Wing / Small Fwd)
Has been viewed as the next-big-thing from NT for what seems like years. In Melbourne playing school footy on scholarship so might be quicker to adjust to the AFL scene than some of the rural kids. Great blood lines with every other champion Aboriginal star seemingly some sort of uncle. Genuine rover at only 178. Quick-ish, reasonable by foot. Superb balance and hands. Showed a lovely little bonus talent by getting amongst the goals with some nice left-foot finishing, although they were FF goals not cruming goals. He won't last too long on draft day.
-
i am so looking forward to the draft ...
is it a shoey that Carlton will take that ruckman ???
and people's predictions for the top 10 !!!
-
i am so looking forward to the draft ...
is it a shoey that Carlton will take that ruckman ???
I don't know, if he is head and shoulders above everyone else, you'd have to take him.
The bonus then is if their other young rucks turn out to be stars, then they have good bargaining options going into trade week to get a player that they do need in future.
-
Did anyone hear this on SEN?
OK i was talking to the step dad and he was telling me about an interview he heard on SEN a couple of days ago, They where talking to Terry Wallace was planning to pick up Cyril Rioli with there 2nd pick.
http://www.bomberblitz.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=36214
To begin with I'd say this person may have got confused here. If you said "the Tigers 2nd pick" to me I'd think pick 17 but on that forum they seem to think we mean our 1st pick which is no. 2 in the draft. :-\
According to Weaver on BF. . .
16. Cyril 'Junior' Rioli (Rover / Wing / Small Fwd)
Has been viewed as the next-big-thing from NT for what seems like years. In Melbourne playing school footy on scholarship so might be quicker to adjust to the AFL scene than some of the rural kids. Great blood lines with every other champion Aboriginal star seemingly some sort of uncle. Genuine rover at only 178. Quick-ish, reasonable by foot. Superb balance and hands. Showed a lovely little bonus talent by getting amongst the goals with some nice left-foot finishing, although they were FF goals not cruming goals. He won't last too long on draft day.
Nope, but if any of you stalkers can give us a wrap up on him :cheers
Watched him a couple of times on ABCTV playing in the NT did some good things at that level
-
1. Kreuzer
2. Cotchin
3. Morton
4. Masten
5. Palmer
6. Rioli
7. Rance
8. Meyers
9. McEvoy
10. Ebert
-
1. Kreuzer
2. Cotchin
3. Morton
4. Masten
5. Palmer
6. Rioli
7. Rance
8. Meyers
9. McEvoy
10. Ebert
1. Kruezer - Carl
2. Cotchin - Tiges
3. Masten - Carl
4. Morton - Mel
5. Rance - Dogs
6. Rioli - Dons
7. Palmer - Freo
8. Henderson - Brisbane
9. Myers - Saints
10.McEvoy - ???
-
I'd be wary of picking up kids from Division 2 states. The standard was poor this year.
1. Kreuzer
2. Cotchin
3. Morton
4. Masten
5. Palmer
6. Rioli
7. Rance
8. Meyers
9. McEvoy
10. Ebert
No Scott Selwood in the top 10 bluey? I would have him in the top 10 before Rioli. Apart from that hard to disagree with the rest. It would be great if we could trade and upgrade pick 18 or 19 up ten spots into the top 10.
-
I reckon it would worth punting on Selwood (at pick 19) - simply because he is a Selwood and the younger ones seem to be better than the twins ;D
-
I reckon it would worth punting on Selwood (at pick 19) - simply because he is a Selwood and the younger ones seem to be better than the twins ;D
that is around where I got him locked in, his leg injury would also probably push him down the order.
IMO he has the potential to be somewhere between adam and joel in quality therefore a very solid consistent performer
-
I reckon it would worth punting on Selwood (at pick 19) - simply because he is a Selwood and the younger ones seem to be better than the twins ;D
that is around where I got him locked in, his leg injury would also probably push him down the order.
IMO he has the potential to be somewhere between adam and joel in quality therefore a very solid consistent performer
If Selwood falls to our second pick I'll be a happy boy. I've just got a feeling that his surname will push him up much higher in the draft than if he were named Joe Smith. With his 3 older brothers making it in the big time and him classed as somewhere between the twins and Joel in quality, he'll come across to AFL clubs as almost a guaranteed AFL footballer barring injury.
-
I reckon it would worth punting on Selwood (at pick 19) - simply because he is a Selwood and the younger ones seem to be better than the twins ;D
that is around where I got him locked in, his leg injury would also probably push him down the order.
IMO he has the potential to be somewhere between adam and joel in quality therefore a very solid consistent performer
If Selwood falls to our second pick I'll be a happy boy. I've just got a feeling that his surname will push him up much higher in the draft than if he were named Joe Smith. With his 3 older brothers making it in the big time and him classed as somewhere between the twins and Joel in quality, he'll come across to AFL clubs as almost a guaranteed AFL footballer barring injury.
without a doubt that pedigree is hard to ignore. And as you said his name by itself would make recruiters take more notice of him. But IMHO is not worth a top tenner, looks like becoming a daniel cross/harris type mid. A type of player you need for that midfield grunt but not a player to throw a top pick at. Either him or Vezpremi at 18-20 would make me very very happy, we need more hardness in our team
-
I reckon it would worth punting on Selwood (at pick 19) - simply because he is a Selwood and the younger ones seem to be better than the twins ;D
that is around where I got him locked in, his leg injury would also probably push him down the order.
IMO he has the potential to be somewhere between adam and joel in quality therefore a very solid consistent performer
If Selwood falls to our second pick I'll be a happy boy. I've just got a feeling that his surname will push him up much higher in the draft than if he were named Joe Smith. With his 3 older brothers making it in the big time and him classed as somewhere between the twins and Joel in quality, he'll come across to AFL clubs as almost a guaranteed AFL footballer barring injury.
without a doubt that pedigree is hard to ignore. And as you said his name by itself would make recruiters take more notice of him. But IMHO is not worth a top tenner, looks like becoming a daniel cross/harris type mid. A type of player you need for that midfield grunt but not a player to throw a top pick at. Either him or Vezpremi at 18-20 would make me very very happy, we need more hardness in our team
That plus a tall with the other pick straight after and we will have done well IMO.
-
Draft Camp Invites
VIC:
Matthew Kreuzer, Brett Meredith, Trent Cotchin, Patrick Veszpremi, Jack Grimes,
David Zaharakis, Jarrod Grant, Scott Simpson, John McCarthy, Steven Gaertner,
Callan Ward, Will Sullivan, Lachlan Hill, Hugh Sandilands, Harry Croft, Andy Otten,
James Polkinghorne, Jeremy Laidler, Mitchell Farmer, Darcy Daniher, Addam Maric,
Jackson Hall, Dan McKenna, Brent Connelly, Haelen Kay, Patrick Dangerfield,
Guy O'Keefe, Ed Curnow, Lachlan Henderson, Chris Kangars, Clayton Hinkley,
Ashley Hockey, Ashley Arrowsmith, Matt Austin, Myke Cook, Michael Dell'Aquila,
Ryan Normington, Scott Selwood, Robert Tarrant, Matthew Lobbe, Ben McEvoy,
Dawson Simpson, Nic Cattapan, Peter Robertson, Phil Smith and Dean Putt. (46)
WA:
Cale Morton, Rhys Palmer, David Myers, Chris Masten, Alex Rance, Tony Notte,
Tayte Pears, Paddy McGinnity,Matthew Deboer, Cruize Garlett, Jarrhan Jacky,
Mayne, Bonney, Steven Browne, Simon Starling, David Gourdis, Luke Sampey. (17)
SA: Brad Ebert, Jared Petrenko, Nick Murphy, Levi Greenwood, Tom McNamara (5)
NSW: Tony Armstrong (1)
NT: Cyril Rioli, Marlon Motlop (2)
TAS: Tom Collier, Aaron Joseph, Tom Bellchambers, Jay Bowden (4)
QLD: Sam Reid, Joey Daye, James Mulligan, Joel Smouha, David Hill, John Williams, Brendan Whitecross (7)
http://bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8503777&postcount=1
-
Carlton are making out they would consider trading their first pick for an established player.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22386157%255E19742,00.html
-
I reckon it would worth punting on Selwood (at pick 19) - simply because he is a Selwood and the younger ones seem to be better than the twins ;D
that is around where I got him locked in, his leg injury would also probably push him down the order.
IMO he has the potential to be somewhere between adam and joel in quality therefore a very solid consistent performer
If Selwood falls to our second pick I'll be a happy boy. I've just got a feeling that his surname will push him up much higher in the draft than if he were named Joe Smith. With his 3 older brothers making it in the big time and him classed as somewhere between the twins and Joel in quality, he'll come across to AFL clubs as almost a guaranteed AFL footballer barring injury.
without a doubt that pedigree is hard to ignore. And as you said his name by itself would make recruiters take more notice of him. But IMHO is not worth a top tenner, looks like becoming a daniel cross/harris type mid. A type of player you need for that midfield grunt but not a player to throw a top pick at. Either him or Vezpremi at 18-20 would make me very very happy, we need more hardness in our team
agree.....if selwood is still available at our 2nd pick....i'd take him and a big man straight after.....Tom collier/tayte pears would be good.....selwood's hardness is still something that we need more of....and...u can never have too many quality mids....in a few years, our more senior mids woulkd have departed (johnson, tivendale) etc so it's good to have picked up selwood and cotchin in this draft....both tiger supporters too....which is a bonus...
-
still hoping rance can slip but colliier or pears would be handy acquisitions. Also keep an eye on Dawson Simpson, I realy like this kid, fantastic height for a ruckman and his rate of improvement has been astronomical this year
-
Cotchin was BOG today and Veszpremi kicked 8 goals in the Northern Knights' 53 point win over Gippsland in the TAC Cup Qualifying Final.
-
Cotchin was BOG today and Veszpremi kicked 8 goals in the Northern Knights' 53 point win over Gippsland in the TAC Cup Qualifying Final.
go cotchin :gotigers
-
Cotchin was BOG today and Veszpremi kicked 8 goals in the Northern Knights' 53 point win over Gippsland in the TAC Cup Qualifying Final.
go cotchin :gotigers
One more win for the Knights and we'll be able to watch him on tv early on Grand Final day.
-
Cotchin was BOG today and Veszpremi kicked 8 goals in the Northern Knights' 53 point win over Gippsland in the TAC Cup Qualifying Final.
go cotchin :gotigers
One more win for the Knights and we'll be able to watch him on tv early on Grand Final day.
they play that on live to air?
-
Reported on SEN that Matt Kreuzer won the 2007 Morrish Medal and the Coaches Award. Adrian Totino was runner-up in the Morrish.
TAC Cup Team Of The Year
B: Farmer (Calder) Hurley (Northern) Kay (Gippsland)
HB: Ward (Western) Kangars (Geelong) Cheney (North Ballarat)
C: Hall (Gippsland) Polkinghorne (Calder) Arrowsmith (Calder)
HF: S.Simpson (Dandy) McEvoy (Murray) Otten (Oakleigh)
F: Renton (Eastern) Bongetti (Northern) Banner (Western)
R: Kreuzer (Northern) Grimes (Northern) Suban (North Ballarat)
INT: Shaw (Sandringham) Nye (Eastern) Barham (Geelong) Ford (Bendigo)
Due to private school commitments Cotchin didn't play many TAC Cup games (yet starred when he did). So that's why he's not in the team.
http://bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=369566
-
Cotchin was BOG today and Veszpremi kicked 8 goals in the Northern Knights' 53 point win over Gippsland in the TAC Cup Qualifying Final.
go cotchin :gotigers
One more win for the Knights and we'll be able to watch him on tv early on Grand Final day.
they play that on live to air?
You're right bluey. They only show the TAC Cup GF on Fox now :scream. I'm still thinking of the days when the U19s, ressies and seniors were all shown live on Free To Air ::).
-
Morrish Medal votes
Kreuzer 19
Totino 15
Banner 14
Nye 12
Polkinghorne 11
Farmer 11
...
Cotchin 8
http://taccup.footballvic.com.au/_content/document/00056006-src.pdf
-
Morrish Medal votes
Kreuzer 19
Totino 15
Banner 14
Nye 12
Polkinghorne 11
Farmer 11
...
Cotchin 8
http://taccup.footballvic.com.au/_content/document/00056006-src.pdf
no real suprise that kreuzer won it
cotchin with 8 votes given he hasn't played many games is a fair effort
-
cotchin with 8 votes given he hasn't played many games is a fair effort
Yep. Cotchin was in the votes in 4 of the 5 H/A TAC Cup games he played.
-
How is this scenario.
Trade week, we score a handy ruckman.
We have Simmonds, Handy Ruckman, Patto and Gus.
Draft time. Blues take Cotchin, do we take Kreuzer seeing as we are ok for ruck??
The Blues could call our bluff and get Cotchin and Kreuzer at 1 and 3???
-
not if they throw their 3rd pick into the trading ring. :shh
-
not if they throw their 3rd pick into the trading ring. :shh
3 and Fev for someone in particular...?? :shh
-
not if they throw their 3rd pick into the trading ring. :shh
3 and Fev for someone in particular...?? :shh
Someone for 5 years at $5 million whose groin problems could be as bad as the pick before him in the 2001 draft. Massive risk.
-
not if they throw their 3rd pick into the trading ring. :shh
3 and Fev for someone in particular...?? :shh
Someone for 5 years at $5 million whose groin problems could be as bad as the pick before him in the 2001 draft. Massive risk.
Richard Pratt has very deep pockets, but i reckon it is all smokes and mirrors.
Perhaps we need to look beyond Judd, who else will they tempt. :whistle
-
How is this scenario.
Trade week, we score a handy ruckman.
We have Simmonds, Handy Ruckman, Patto and Gus.
Draft time. Blues take Cotchin, do we take Kreuzer seeing as we are ok for ruck??
The Blues could call our bluff and get Cotchin and Kreuzer at 1 and 3???
Kreuzer is 199cm so he won't be a "tall" ruckman. Most AFL ruckmen are in the low 200 cms. More a tall agile ruck rover who can ruck, follow around the ground and play forward. It'll also take him 3-4 years before he starts cementing a spot in the side which would be good timing as Simmo will be nearing the end of his footy career by then. If Kreuzer is still around at pick 2 then we'll pick him up IMO. Kreuzer, Cotchin and Morton are the club's top 3.
-
Kreuzer is 199cm so he won't be a "tall" ruckman. Most AFL ruckmen are in the low 200 cms. More a tall agile ruck rover who can ruck, follow around the ground and play forward. It'll also take him 3-4 years before he starts cementing a spot in the side which would be good timing as Simmo will be nearing the end of his footy career by then. If Kreuzer is still around at pick 2 then we'll pick him up IMO. Kreuzer, Cotchin and Morton are the club's top 3.
Good point :thumbsup
-
Richard Pratt has very deep pockets, but i reckon it is all smokes and mirrors.
Perhaps we need to look beyond Judd, who else will they tempt. :whistle
The main thing is all our star cubs are safely signed up :thumbsup
I hope the Blues do splurge most of their salary cap on one player. Means they haven't learnt anything from Kouta and his massive contract.
Buddy is contracted for another year so he can't walk even though he's on a small contract. It'll get interesting when the Hawks need to clear salary cap space for him.
Agree rogerd3 it's probably all smoke and mirrors. Most players don't change clubs these days unless they are already on the outer. There were only 9 trades done last year - Polak, Medhurst, Solomon, Tarrant, Birss, Aker, McDougall, Everitt and Gardiner. Some "name" players but not superstars like a Judd or Pavlich.
-
kreuzer or cotchin IDGAF, they are both guns
if blues take kreuzer we take cotchin
if blues take cotchin we take kreuzer
the equation is pretty simple
would prefer not to take morton, but even if we did I wouldn't be peeed because he too is an awesome talent
-
Spot on bluey. It'll be what we do with our other picks especially 18 and 19 that will make this draft for us.
-
Thanks stalkers, I rely on you guys to keep me up to scratch on this subject. :lol :thumbsup
-
Thanks stalkers, I rely on you guys to keep me up to scratch on this subject. :lol :thumbsup
no probs CUB :thumbsup
-
Carlton have confirmed they will take Kreuzer with pick 1 meaning our pick 2 is open to whoever we want from the rest.
-
Carlton have confirmed they will take Kreuzer with pick 1 meaning our pick 2 is open to whoever we want from the rest.
Keep pick 2 Richmond, no matter what. :pray
Anyone that wants Judd is going to need a top 3 pick.
We can mess the trade up for everyone apart from Carlton.
-
Carlton have confirmed they will take Kreuzer with pick 1 meaning our pick 2 is open to whoever we want from the rest.
Keep pick 2 Richmond, no matter what. :pray
Anyone that wants Judd is going to need a top 3 pick.
We can mess the trade up for everyone apart from Carlton.
Agree wayne. Top sides development their own champions. As much as we all love Browny and what a superstar he is, we've still won 2 wooden spoons with him in our side because the side around him was and is nowhere good enough.
-
Carlton have confirmed they will take Kreuzer with pick 1 meaning our pick 2 is open to whoever we want from the rest.
pretty weird that they have already said that, but oh well, I guess we are goind to have to take Cotchin :-\ ;) :lol
-
Carlton have confirmed they will take Kreuzer with pick 1 meaning our pick 2 is open to whoever we want from the rest.
pretty weird that they have already said that, but oh well, I guess we are goind to have to take Cotchin :-\ ;) :lol
What a shame lol
The only little prob though with all this Judd talk and clubs wanting early picks is it's now going to be difficult to upgrade pick 18 or 19.
-
keep our draft picks and draft 17 and 18 year olds ... forget Judd ...
that c*** doesn't want to come to Richmond !!! ...
i would ask him why not ???
-
keep our draft picks and draft 17 and 18 year olds ... forget Judd ...
that c*** doesn't want to come to Richmond !!! ...
i would ask him why not ???
for me, judd can only come through the PSD, will burn us big time in the long run with all the picks we would have to throw at them.
-
for me, judd can only come through the PSD, will burn us big time in the long run with all the picks we would have to throw at them.
If we were on the rise, had just made the 8 and ready for an all out 4-5 year assault on the finals, then he'd be top priority.
We're not on the rise and as good as it'd be to have him, he's not what we need at the moment if it costs us a couple of kids and pick 2.
-
Did this Cotchin kid play all year at TAC level?
Just curious as he didnt make the TAC team of the year. As we are looking likely to take Cotchin at 2 i am a little curious as to the season Cotchin has had and are we looking at the right player?
I thought i heard he may have played a bit of school footy this year which may have held him back from tac, not sure though.
-
Did this Cotchin kid play all year at TAC level?
Just curious as he didnt make the TAC team of the year. As we are looking likely to take Cotchin at 2 i am a little curious as to the season Cotchin has had and are we looking at the right player?
I thought i heard he may have played a bit of school footy this year which may have held him back from tac, not sure though.
Cotchin played 5 H/A TAC Cup games due to school commitments so that's why he missed out on the team of the year. Ended up in the bests or even close to BOG in 4 of 5 the matches he played. Had close to 40 possessions in one of them. So far has starred in the TAC Cup finals. The Northern Knights are still in it too. They play in one of the Prelims this weekend.
184cm, 81 kgs so ready to go. Didn't play in the midfield in the champs due to a shoulder and knee niggle. Highly skilled on both sides of the body.
-
attends PEGS, where playing for school is the priority.
same thing has happened to blokes at my school. Couple of them are listed with Oakleigh and the Knights, but don't play often for them because they have to play for Marcellin
-
With Carlton saying they'll use pick 1 on Kreuzer then our choice comes down to Cotchin or Morton. Morton is rated highly by the club but at 75kg (for a kid who is 192cm) he's going to need time to add weight and do we need another flanker :P. I'd rather we go for the basically ready to go mid.
-
With Carlton saying they'll use pick 1 on Kreuzer then our choice comes down to Cotchin or Morton. Morton is rated highly by the club but at 75kg (for a kid who is 192cm) he's going to need time to add weight and do we need another flanker :P. I'd rather we go for the basically ready to go mid.
Yep go with the ready to go kid who lives in Vic and Let West coast get their flanker to stay in the west. :thumbsup
-
Cotchin apparently has a broken foot (BF saying it's been confirmed). He did it today in the TAC Cup preliminary final. Calder overran the Knights after he went off.
-
hows that morton kid going over west. :shh
-
hows that morton kid going over west. :shh
75kg for a kid 192cm tall. Because we don't have enough skinny players who need 3 years at least to bulk up ???.
Just our luck if Cotchin's injury now makes us decide to take Morton instead :banghead.
-
There's a rumour going around that Masten has OP.
-
Morton doesnt look that skinny, i reckon hes 80kgs ... and thats not so bad.
-
Morton doesnt look that skinny, i reckon hes 80kgs ... and thats not so bad.
Morton was listed as 75kg in the U18 champs.
-
hows that morton kid going over west. :shh
75kg for a kid 192cm tall. Because we don't have enough skinny players who need 3 years at least to bulk up ???.
Just our luck if Cotchin's injury now makes us decide to take Morton instead :banghead.
Need to give his parents a medical, see if they're both 'weighty'.
Cale will put on weight eventually if this is the case.
-
A unnecessary risk for pick 2 IMO hoping a kid will put on 13-15 kgs. It's not like Morton is developing 196cm KPP.
-
maybe we should just do something sensible like take Masten instead of Morton, at least we'll know what we're gonna get.
-
maybe we should just do something sensible like take Masten instead of Morton, at least we'll know what we're gonna get.
Apparently Masten has OP :-\
-
just our luck lol ...
anyway anyone wanna start a rumour on big footy that RFC has demanded 2 players from the Pies and the 2 players have to come from Pendlebury, Thomas, Cloke and Clarke.
By the way, i just wanna few laughs at there expense ...
-
hows that morton kid going over west. :shh
Was apparently well held in the WAFL GF but still ended up with 16 touches...
http://www.wafootball.com.au/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=83
-
just our luck lol ...
anyway anyone wanna start a rumour on big footy that RFC has demanded 2 players from the Pies and the 2 players have to come from Pendlebury, Thomas, Cloke and Clarke.
By the way, i just wanna few laughs at there expense ...
LOL. Pie fans would do their nut.
Why don't you start it Ramps?
-
Here's Cale Morton's stats. He kicked 5 in the WAFL Colts PF but wasn't in the bests in the other two finals including the GF which Claremant lost comfortably.
http://www.sportingpulse.com/nf/team_info.cgi?player=Cale%20Morton&action=PSTATS&pID=186147478&client=1-2393-0-52004-4374300 (http://www.sportingpulse.com/nf/team_info.cgi?player=Cale%20Morton&action=PSTATS&pID=186147478&client=1-2393-0-52004-4374300)
Btw Rance, Notte, Naitanui played for Swan Districts. Morton and Mcginnity played for Claremont.
http://www.wafootball.com.au/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=83
-
i reckon morton is done.... :shh
-
if Morton is done and dusted at 2 (and i assume its to us) the the judd mclean 2+4 rumour has bitten the dust in about 2 minutes flat lol ...
-
if Morton is done and dusted at 2 (and i assume its to us) the the judd mclean 2+4 rumour has bitten the dust in about 2 minutes flat lol ...
true, lets see what pans out.
-
So we're going to gift the Blues both Kreuzer and Cotchin :help if they miss out on Judd.
-
Depending on how late we go in the draft, id take a chance on a full forward from WA called Tony Notte. Very Skinny Kid but he can play. Hes a 3 year project. McGinnity and Ellard will also be good players to pick up later in the draft.
Richmond should go mostly Western Australian in this draft
[Morton Rance Masten] [Myers] [Notte McGinnity Ellard] and maybe 1 or 2 others.
-
Depending on how late we go in the draft, id take a chance on a full forward from WA called Tony Notte. Very Skinny Kid but he can play. Hes a 3 year project. McGinnity and Ellard will also be good players to pick up later in the draft.
Richmond should go mostly Western Australian in this draft
[Morton Rance Masten] [Myers] [Notte McGinnity Ellard] and maybe 1 or 2 others.
I think the Club has issues with Masten's attitude even before he developed OP. I asked about him and was told "he's a bit of a hothead isn't he" ???. West Coast apparently don't rate Morton in their top 5 so interesting we rate him top 3 in the draft.
I hope we don't get sidetracked by the Judd shanannagins during trade week and still look at ways of upgrading either pick 18 or 19 into the top 10. There's no way we could get a Rance or Myers otherwise unless we took Rance at 2.
-
according to bigfooty morton is a big headed arrogant prick as well but we're still interested.
still think cotchin is our man, and really hope the club takes him, if it is going to be someone else i'd only really want to take kreuzer or masten. masten is a bartel type player and you need that type of player out on the ground
-
still think cotchin is our man, and really hope the club takes him, if it is going to be someone else i'd only really want to take kreuzer or masten. masten is a bartel type player and you need that type of player out on the ground
Agree bluey. Draft camp is next week btw IIRC.
-
Kevin Sheehan summary on SEN
Ashley Arrowsmith - midfield/forward - kicking superior to anyone else in the GF in hitting targets - 4 goals.
Darcy Daniher was the other standout. F/S for either Swans or Bombers.
Draft camp starts Tues. Club officials head up Wednesday. Looking for that X-factor - athletic ability on top of football ability that will separate similarly rated draftees.
Matt Deledio - Different to Lids. Strongly built, head over the ball inside midfielder. Did well yesterday.
Sheehan's top 4 draftees:
Kreuzer
Rhys Palmer - best in the champs.
Cale Morton - was terrific all year
Cotchin - Gary Ablett Jnr type. Well balance, skilled both side midfielder with pace.
-
have there been talks about Richmond taking Cotchin ???
-
have there been talks about Richmond taking Cotchin ???
The RFC considers Kreuzer, Cotchin and Cale Morton are the clear top 3 in this year's draft. Carlton have said publicly they'll take Kreuzer with pick 1 so Cotchin is ours if we want him.
-
The Eagles obviously rate Kreuzer and Cotchin as 1 & 2.
The Eagles had already interviewed prospective early draft picks Matt Kreuzer and Trent Cotchin — both Victorians from the Northern Knights — as part of their preparations for the Judd trade; one of that pair could only end up at West Coast in the event of a trade with the Blues (pick three would be unlikely to net Kreuzer, though).
http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/two-left-in-the-race-for-judd/2007/10/01/1191091033999.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
-
The Eagles had already interviewed prospective early draft picks Matt Kreuzer and Trent Cotchin — both Victorians from the Northern Knights — as part of their preparations for the Judd trade; one of that pair could only end up at West Coast in the event of a trade with the Blues (pick three would be unlikely to net Kreuzer, though).
So much for the Eagles wanting Morton. It seems only us are tossing up who to pick up at #2 :-\.
-
Its all a game of bluff at the moment, no one knows what WCE really want ... as for us, we should be dealing with WCE to give them 2 for Judd and them getting Judd to understand that Punt Rd isnt such a bad place lol.
-
Its all a game of bluff at the moment, no one knows what WCE really want ... as for us, we should be dealing with WCE to give them 2 for Judd and them getting Judd to understand that Punt Rd isnt such a bad place lol.
Miller: "Hey Juddy, do you really want to be around Joffa or Barb 24/7? Punt Rd doesn't sound too bad now does it!" ;D
-
just a question?
can carlton trade priority pick no1?
if they can, i have a feling they will give pick 1 to the eagles as part of teh judd deal and the eagles will pick cotchin with that pick , so i guess we will take kruezer
lets pray to god someone frikken decent ends up in the psd, knowing our luck, we have 1st pick and it will be a pool full of rejects and duds
-
just a question?
can carlton trade priority pick no1?
if they can, i have a feling they will give pick 1 to the eagles as part of teh judd deal and the eagles will pick cotchin with that pick , so i guess we will take kruezer
lets pray to god someone frikken decent ends up in the psd, knowing our luck, we have 1st pick and it will be a pool full of rejects and duds
they can trade no.1 and you'd think it would have to be on the table
-
just a question?
can carlton trade priority pick no1?
if they can, i have a feling they will give pick 1 to the eagles as part of teh judd deal and the eagles will pick cotchin with that pick , so i guess we will take kruezer
lets pray to god someone frikken decent ends up in the psd, knowing our luck, we have 1st pick and it will be a pool full of rejects and duds
they can trade no.1 and you'd think it would have to be on the table
They are adamant (well Swann was on SEN) that pick 1 is NOT on the table.
They will not give Kruezner - no way
-
just a question?
can carlton trade priority pick no1?
if they can, i have a feling they will give pick 1 to the eagles as part of teh judd deal and the eagles will pick cotchin with that pick , so i guess we will take kruezer
lets pray to god someone frikken decent ends up in the psd, knowing our luck, we have 1st pick and it will be a pool full of rejects and duds
they can trade no.1 and you'd think it would have to be on the table
They are adamant (well Swann was on SEN) that pick 1 is NOT on the table.
They will not give Kruezner - no way
yeah, if i recall it was the kreuzer cup not the judd cup ;D
-
The Hawks top 5
1. Matt Kreuzer.
2. Trent Cotchin
3. Cale Morton (Jarryd and Mitch’s bro)
4. Ben McEvoy
5. David Myers
Boxall indicated that number 5 could be any of a large number of players, which kind of indicates they rate the other 4 as standouts.
Non-negotiables at the draft table
1. On field intelligence, leadership values, putting the team 1st.
2. Good to elite kick of the football (for the position they play, ruckman an exception).
3. Competitiveness/desire to beat opponent and win.
Psychology testing and Beau Dowler
Pelchen spoke about the huge amount of psychological evaluation they do on players before drafting. The Hawks will not draft a player unless they have interviewed them one on one (with the exception of a kid who lives in a really remote area). They also interview at least one of the parents, principals, teachers, teammates and opposition players to get an idea of their character. Went on to say that Beau Dowler has turned out to be extremely introverted (which is severely affecting his football), but that they didn’t pick this up in their pre-draft analysis. Pelchen thought this was due to Beau coming across as confident when surrounded by other young draftees at the AIS, but was extremely shy when put in a football club of grown men.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=381518
-
Richmond spoke with Cotchin at the draft camp yesterday.
http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/elite-kids-await-draft-fate/2007/10/03/1191091193766.html
-
welcome to Richmond Trent Cotchin
-
Well Cotchin's dad doesn't want him to go to the Eagles.
Father's fear for son at Eagles
Sam Edmund
October 04, 2007 12:00am
THE father of a top Victorian AFL draftee has expressed concern his son could be drafted to the West Coast Eagles AFL club.
Peter Cotchin, father of star midfielder Trent, told The Courier-Mail he was concerned his 17-year-old boy could land in a dangerous environment.
"It's just the culture of the footy club . . . in the back of your mind you do worry about those things," Mr Cotchin said.
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,22526953-10389,00.html
-
results just in kruezer 14.2 beep
morton 15.2 top of the class :bow
-
Take your pick ;D
(http://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/main/18742.jpg)
Cale Morton, Matt Kreuzer and Trent Cotchin
-
Cale Morton
http://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/main/18744.jpg (http://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/main/18744.jpg)
Trent Cotchin
http://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/main/18741.jpg (http://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/main/18741.jpg)
-
results just in kruezer 14.2 beep
morton 15.2 top of the class :bow
Cheers blaisee
I've posted the draft camp results from today in the draft camp thread:
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?topic=6024.msg76058#msg76058
-
2 things... having a look at Mortons body shape he does look like a kid who will be able to put on weight and 2nd Gourdis's results will put him right in the frame for our 2nd round selection.
-
stuff it, lets do a deal with carlton and let judd go to carlton via the psd- pick 3 for say 2 average players.
-
From today's Age
Scott Selwood is a half-back who can push into the midfield, who's been tipped to be picked anywhere from late in the first round to the start of the third
http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/next-selwood-on-the-move/2007/10/04/1191091278843.html
Maybe a chance to grab Selwood with our picks 18/19 although Geelong interviewed him yesterday at the draft camp and they have the pick 17.
-
fpr some reason , i beleive morton is the one to get
cotchin seems smaller and lighter than what they say and is already very unjury prone, forget him
kruezer is too small to be a ruck and will most likely be a kpp but morton has had gr8 results so far in the camp and i rate better than kruezer
lets get morton
-
atm it looks like its in our interest to close the judd deal on monday... we could get 2 and 3 and get both morton and cotchin or do a deal with the eagles and get something from there. Time strategy is important, maybe we'll get the better return from an early closure to the judd farce.
-
Take your pick ;D
(http://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/main/18742.jpg)
Cale Morton, Matt Kreuzer and Trent Cotchin
is this a sign, morton already has a tiger on his guernsey ;D
-
morton looks almost as tall as kreuzer :o :o :o :o
but anyways cotchin still for me, but would love masten. Perhaps play a role in the judd deal and snare say pick 6 or around there are take masten or mcevoy
I reckon we should bluff during trade week and at the last minute pull out of any judd deal and snare him in the PSD :thumbsup
-
morton looks almost as tall as kreuzer :o :o :o :o
but anyways cotchin still for me, but would love masten. Perhaps play a role in the judd deal and snare say pick 6 or around there are take masten or mcevoy
I reckon we should bluff during trade week and at the last minute pull out of any judd deal and snare him in the PSD :thumbsup
sounds good to me but as for morton, he does look as tall as kruezer and imo has more upside than cotchin(who at this early stage is already injury prone)
-
2 things... having a look at Mortons body shape he does look like a kid who will be able to put on weight and 2nd Gourdis's results will put him right in the frame for our 2nd round selection.
hey ramps is gourdis Greek?
-
this is why we have blokes like miller, its easy to be on a keyboard like that idiot supertiger and others on bigfooty who have gone on and started this farce on the internet which has seen carlton, west coast supporters ready to sell there arses to the Richmond hoardes ... but now we dont need that we need professionals who can complete the business. Lets get what we can before we get left with Zip.
-
2 things... having a look at Mortons body shape he does look like a kid who will be able to put on weight and 2nd Gourdis's results will put him right in the frame for our 2nd round selection.
hey ramps is gourdis Greek?
Gourdis sounds greek. So id say probably yeah.
-
2 things... having a look at Mortons body shape he does look like a kid who will be able to put on weight and 2nd Gourdis's results will put him right in the frame for our 2nd round selection.
hey ramps is gourdis Greek?
Gourdis sounds greek. So id say probably yeah.
that would make you happy if he became a tiger hey!
-
I just want blokes who can play and make us successful, where theyre from or who they are makes no difference X. We just need blokes who can play.
-
I just want blokes who can play and make us successful, where theyre from or who they are makes no difference X. We just need blokes who can play.
... but gourdis can play ;) :thumbsup
-
I just want blokes who can play and make us successful, where theyre from or who they are makes no difference X. We just need blokes who can play.
... but gourdis can play ;) :thumbsup
does he play from behind? ...... or infront
just kidding lol
hey if he can play, we must look at him , has size and by all reports a good prospect
-
I just want blokes who can play and make us successful, where theyre from or who they are makes no difference X. We just need blokes who can play.
... but gourdis can play ;) :thumbsup
does he play from behind? ...... or infront
just kidding lol
hey if he can play, we must look at him , has size and by all reports a good prospect
greek boys have such a bad reputation. no wonder women love us lol. women love the kinky poo anyway.
-
hey ramps
u have heard this one i bet
THE GREEKS INVENTED SEX
BUT
THE ITALIANS INTRODUCED IT TO WOMEN
LOL
-
heard that ... an old gag done by italians to make themselves feel better ... they should read all the surveys that come out that put greek boys well on top of the bests lists lol pmsl.
-
gourdis should certainly be one we look at out, could have gone last year but didn't ???
plays like a ash hansen type hardworking lead up CHF. Very good athletic package, strong hands and can take a strong pack mark. Prob needs to work on his kicking, esp set shots though
but an exciting prospect
-
gourdis should certainly be one we look at out, could have gone last year but didn't ???
plays like a ash hansen type hardworking lead up CHF. Very good athletic package, strong hands and can take a strong pack mark. Prob needs to work on his kicking, esp set shots though
but an exciting prospect
Was that why he was overlooked last year? Strange why a kid who is 193-4cm tall and athletic would be overlooked unless there was some footy skill deficiency.
-
gourdis should certainly be one we look at out, could have gone last year but didn't ???
plays like a ash hansen type hardworking lead up CHF. Very good athletic package, strong hands and can take a strong pack mark. Prob needs to work on his kicking, esp set shots though
but an exciting prospect
Was that why he was overlooked last year? Strange why a kid who is 193-4cm tall and athletic would be overlooked unless there was some footy skill deficiency.
perhaps he was just a tad unlucky kinda like Collier who looks like going at least top 30
-
Kreuzer still the one by a mile
06 October 2007 Herald Sun
Daryl Timms
IT TOOK just three days at the Australian Institute of Sport in Canberra this week for Matthew Kreuzer to reinforce what every AFL club recruiter already knew - he is the best young talent in Australia.
And no wonder Carlton is trying to keep its No. 1 pick in the national draft for the 18-year-old - his speed results in this week's camp were as good as those of any midfielder.
All talent scouts from the 16 clubs agree that Kreuzer, who is 199cm and 91kg, is the best available talent, followed closely by his Northern Knights' teammate Trent Cotchin and Claremont's Cale Morton.
Cotchin broke his ankle during his team's TAC Cup finals campaign and was one of the 15 players out of the 79 who could not do any physical activities because of injury.
"It was really disappointing not to be out there with the other boys," Cotchin said.
Despite his absence from the physical stuff, there is no shortage of clubs wanting the skilled onballer.
As well as outstanding training performances, tests also revealed Kreuzer has the biggest arm span of any player at the camp and is a running ruckman in the same mould as former Melbourne ruckman Jimmy Stynes.
Kreuzer said he needs to add more bulk to his frame to compete in the AFL.
"It's been a very solid three days, but it's pretty much what I thought the camp would be," he said.
"It's been hard to get up each day and do all the tests, but it's been enjoyable."
And in all camps there's a player who comes from left-field.
This time it was a raw ruckman from Queensland, Joel Smouha, who raised the interest of clubs with his athletic ability, firstly in the beep test and then yesterday's final activity - a 3km time-trial.
Smouha, whose name is of Middle East origin, clocked the fastest time.
He has been playing football for just 12 months after abandoning soccer because he said it wasn't exciting enough.
Smouha has a solid background in athletics and said it was good to record a time of 10min 23sec, especially in the hot and windy conditions on the grass track.
"It's been a busy three days having the recruiters around and it's been daunting at times," he said.
"I started playing school footy about 12 months ago and played soccer and did athletics at school.
"As soon as I started playing footy, I thought it was awesome and loved it."
Smouha could be a long-term project, but clubs are already trying to get tapes of his games with Mt Gravatt.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22539571%255E19742,00.html
-
I like the look of this Gourdis kid, only problem is that it sounds like he wont last to pick 18 or 19.
I heard the wrap up of the draft camp and i reckon this kid could now go top 10.
Would be a great replacement for Richo.
-
Kevin Sheahan reckons there'll be 20-30 from this draft who'll make it at AFL level which Kreuzer clear No 1.:
The best-ever athletes tested were the 2001 group," Sheehan said. "Everyone agrees that was the best draft ever - they were significantly quicker, more agile with better endurance than any of the other 10 years.
"Six years on we can see why 38 of them are now starring in the AFL from the 2001 draft. A quick glance here would say that this group is going to be the same as normal years."
In other words, between 20 and 30 of the class of '07 will go on to star in the AFL.
"It certainly is a key indicator," Sheehan added.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,22538887-23211,00.html
-
Trade winds to affect draft
Emma Quayle | October 7, 2007
AFTER three days of running, jumping and selling themselves to AFL clubs, this year's best young footballers have started to fall into order. But for the first time in five years, next week's trade period will have a big say in where they launch their AFL careers.
If Carlton hangs tough, and holds on to its No. 1 pick, Matthew Kreuzer will become a Blue within the first few seconds of draft day. But if the Blues relinquish it to the Eagles, another player, such as onballer Trent Cotchin, could be the first name called.
If the Eagles settle for pick three, and Cotchin has been chosen by Richmond at No. 2, a West Australian onballer, Chris Masten, may be ushered right up the order. And then there is Cale Morton.
All year, Morton has been ranked a top-three pick, and he will be snapped up quickly on draft day. Rumours say the Tigers are keen on securing his older brother, West Coast player Mitch, during trade week. That, in turn, has created speculation they'll grab Morton at pick two, allowing Cotchin to slide to pick three and (depending on what Chris Judd gets West Coast) end up in Perth.
Until November 24, it is all speculation, though the draft camp last week made some things clear. Cotchin was unable to do anything but talk to clubs, having fractured a foot at the end of a dynamic finals series, when things came together for him. At his best, the 17-year-old slips through packs with clean hands, most times finding a teammate with either his right or left boot.
"He's an elite kick both feet," said AFL talent manager Kevin Sheehan. "Rare, you'd say. You rarely see a kid hit so many targets. He's got that little weave through the pack, he doesn't fall over and see can see things other people can't. He's been a key player wherever he's played."
Kreuzer took part, and was what he is. This is a good year for ruckmen who can run — together, the 10 rucks at the camp provided the best speed/endurance results in the camp's history — and the desperately competitive Northern Knight is right up front. Kreuzer is 199 centimetres, but ran the ninth-best three-kilometre time out of the 64 injury-free players, and the 10th best beep test (reaching level 14.2). It will be interesting to see whether he plays as a ruckman, whether he can play as a standard onballer and if he does find a genuine full-time spot.
Morton's 10.32 time trial, and 15.2, confirmed him as a tall, athletic runner. "He didn't have a great finals series and there are still areas of his game that can be improved upon," Sheehan said. "But he's a lovely size, a great athlete, and what we've seen with his footy through the year has been great."
Masten, a midfield accumulator, couldn't do any physical testing because of osteitis pubis. Brad Ebert, another solid onball prospect, had osteitis pubis, too, but is rated a first-round chance and could end up at Adelaide in some sort of square-up for the Cornes boys.
Palmer, who finished Masten's work so often during the under-18 championships this year, showed his endurance with a 10.25 time trial and a level 14.2 beep test. He's a little quicker than Masten, his East Fremantle teammate, but Masten gets more of the ball, and is thought by some to run harder defensively.
Lachie Henderson and Jarrad Grant are top-five chances, and interesting for different reasons. Henderson has had a broken leg this year, as well as other injury niggles; in his under-16 year, last season, he played in the forward line and would constantly present, then present again.
Grant seems to divide clubs; some would like him to be steadier, but he has pure talent, is quick (at 191 centimetres, he was the speediest over five metres at the camp) and plays with quick, clean hands. Ben McEvoy has more height, has evolved from a ruckman into a marking forward this year, and will be picked early after a great last half of the season. He's not quick, but he has good endurance, too, and the ball tends to stick in his hands.
-
Emma Quayle's top picks
1. Matthew Kreuzer Northern Knights, 18, 199 centimetres, 94 kilograms
2. Trent Cotchin Northern Knights/PEGS, 17, 184cm, 81kg
3. Cale Morton Claremont, 17, 192cm, 79kg
4. Lachie Henderson Geelong Falcons, 17, 196cm, 90kg
5. Jarrad Grant Dandenong Stingrays, 18, 191cm, 77kg
6. Ben McEvoy Murray Bushrangers, 18, 200cm, 90kg
7. Chris Masten East Fremantle, 18, 179cm, 78kg
8. Rhys Palmer East Fremantle, 18, 180cm, 76kg
9. David Myers Perth, 18, 190cm, 85kg
10. Brad Ebert Port Adelaide Magpies, 17, 187cm, 86kg
11. Cyril Rioli St Mary's, Darwin/ Scotch College, 18, 178cm, 74kg
http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/trade-winds-to-affect-draft/2007/10/06/1191091429470.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
-
Emma Quayle's top picks
1. Matthew Kreuzer Northern Knights, 18, 199 centimetres, 94 kilograms
2. Trent Cotchin Northern Knights/PEGS, 17, 184cm, 81kg
3. Cale Morton Claremont, 17, 192cm, 79kg
4. Lachie Henderson Geelong Falcons, 17, 196cm, 90kg
5. Jarrad Grant Dandenong Stingrays, 18, 191cm, 77kg
6. Ben McEvoy Murray Bushrangers, 18, 200cm, 90kg
7. Chris Masten East Fremantle, 18, 179cm, 78kg
8. Rhys Palmer East Fremantle, 18, 180cm, 76kg
9. David Myers Perth, 18, 190cm, 85kg
10. Brad Ebert Port Adelaide Magpies, 17, 187cm, 86kg
11. Cyril Rioli St Mary's, Darwin/ Scotch College, 18, 178cm, 74kg
http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/trade-winds-to-affect-draft/2007/10/06/1191091429470.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
If she got the heights and weights from the draft camp then we can safely assume that Cale Morton has put on about 4kgs since the start of the year and that shows he may be able to add the necessary kilos over the next 2 years that are required.
-
I still prefer Cotchin. He's ready to go year 1 and in the midfield where we badly lack ballwinning class. Morton will still need to add 9kgs.
-
Its a shame that Myers isnt 2 or 3cm taller, if he was 193 and not 190 hed be right up at 2 for me. Anyway going of the list provided, most of the kids need to hit the weight room big time.
-
I still prefer Cotchin. He's ready to go year 1 and in the midfield where we badly lack ballwinning class. Morton will still need to add 9kgs.
true mt but with cale comes mitch, and mitch is a classy player also, and was during his draft days very impressive also , in a better field than what cotchin is in. sa really, mitch can add to our midfeild and really could be a better player than cotchin.
-
interesting to see Alex Rance miss out on the top 10 in that list. I still say if we nab Rance at some stage of the draft we would have done ok. Anyone know how he went at Draft camp?
-
interesting to see Alex Rance miss out on the top 10 in that list. I still say if we nab Rance at some stage of the draft we would have done ok. Anyone know how he went at Draft camp?
No mention of Rance, Selwood, Maric, Pears or Grimes.
I never understand why they don't publish all the draft camp stats as a pdf. All the clubs know this info anyway so making it public won't make a difference to anything.
-
Its a shame that Myers isnt 2 or 3cm taller, if he was 193 and not 190 hed be right up at 2 for me. Anyway going of the list provided, most of the kids need to hit the weight room big time.
Myers is at that in-between height. Out of that list only Henderson is a true KPP size.
-
I still prefer Cotchin. He's ready to go year 1 and in the midfield where we badly lack ballwinning class. Morton will still need to add 9kgs.
true mt but with cale comes mitch, and mitch is a classy player also, and was during his draft days very impressive also , in a better field than what cotchin is in. sa really, mitch can add to our midfeild and really could be a better player than cotchin.
Mitch is a HFF or that's at least where he's played in his AFL career. I'm concerned we're only getting him so Cale never wants to return home to WA. Not really a smart recruiting policy IMV.
There is a reason Cotchin is rated No. 2 by every club except apparently us (who just happen to spend the least on recruiting). This kid can play football and performances of others at what is essentially a glorified athletics carnival doesn't change that. Buddy, Murphy, Pendlebury, Selwood didn't finish top 10 in any of the athletic tests but they can play AFL footy at a high standard from an early age.
-
i would be very very surprised if trent is not a tiger.
-
i heard that carlton (if a deal with west coast doesn't fall through) will give richmond there 3rd pick (richmond has 2,3) for a deal to not take judd in the pre-season ... and let them use there 2nd pick (pre-season pick) for him ... has anyone else heard this ??? ... not bad if you ask me ...
-
i heard that carlton (if a deal with west coast doesn't fall through) will give richmond there 3rd pick (richmond has 2,3) for a deal to not take judd in the pre-season ... and let them use there 2nd pick (pre-season pick) for him ... has anyone else heard this ??? ... not bad if you ask me ...
if the clubs gonna do a deal like that then we'd want an arrangement by Tuesday at the latest...cant trust the bluez beyond tuesday i reckon. you wanna get all the paperwork done and dusted early.
-
I still prefer Cotchin. He's ready to go year 1 and in the midfield where we badly lack ballwinning class. Morton will still need to add 9kgs.
true mt but with cale comes mitch, and mitch is a classy player also, and was during his draft days very impressive also , in a better field than what cotchin is in. sa really, mitch can add to our midfeild and really could be a better player than cotchin.
Mitch is a HFF or that's at least where he's played in his AFL career. I'm concerned we're only getting him so Cale never wants to return home to WA. Not really a smart recruiting policy IMV.
There is a reason Cotchin is rated No. 2 by every club except apparently us (who just happen to spend the least on recruiting). This kid can play football and performances of others at what is essentially a glorified athletics carnival doesn't change that. Buddy, Murphy, Pendlebury, Selwood didn't finish top 10 in any of the athletic tests but they can play AFL footy at a high standard from an early age.
does not matter what most think mt, and maybe the tigers this year have done more research than ppl think. about mitch , he can play midfeild, no dubt about it and another thing, it was long ago where everyone , just about everyone could not decide who was best pick, it was a flip of a coin b/w deledio and tambling, the "two standout" talents of that draft. in the end, blingers was widely known to be 2nd pick by most, anyway he went at 4, and at this stage even 4 flatters him. dont worry about what most ppl think, morton has more alot of upside dont worry about that
-
I still prefer Cotchin. He's ready to go year 1 and in the midfield where we badly lack ballwinning class. Morton will still need to add 9kgs.
true mt but with cale comes mitch, and mitch is a classy player also, and was during his draft days very impressive also , in a better field than what cotchin is in. sa really, mitch can add to our midfeild and really could be a better player than cotchin.
Mitch is a HFF or that's at least where he's played in his AFL career. I'm concerned we're only getting him so Cale never wants to return home to WA. Not really a smart recruiting policy IMV.
There is a reason Cotchin is rated No. 2 by every club except apparently us (who just happen to spend the least on recruiting). This kid can play football and performances of others at what is essentially a glorified athletics carnival doesn't change that. Buddy, Murphy, Pendlebury, Selwood didn't finish top 10 in any of the athletic tests but they can play AFL footy at a high standard from an early age.
does not matter what most think mt, and maybe the tigers this year have done more research than ppl think. about mitch , he can play midfeild, no dubt about it and another thing, it was long ago where everyone , just about everyone could not decide who was best pick, it was a flip of a coin b/w deledio and tambling, the "two standout" talents of that draft. in the end, blingers was widely known to be 2nd pick by most, anyway he went at 4, and at this stage even 4 flatters him. dont worry about what most ppl think, morton has more alot of upside dont worry about that
Agree with the point X that what these kids do after the draft is what counts rather than what reputation they have beforehand. All I'm saying is Cotchin can play and I would have no hesitation selecting him at pick 2 if it was my decision.
-
Its a shame that Myers isnt 2 or 3cm taller, if he was 193 and not 190 hed be right up at 2 for me. Anyway going of the list provided, most of the kids need to hit the weight room big time.
You are right there Ramps. See a bit of Myers at Perth Demons, where he made an impact at senior level. Is a dedicated kid who is highly rated by Simon Eastaugh.
Still a 1st rounder for a 3rd tall defender ?? Cant see him staying in WA cos Freo need a pacy midfielder. Would probably be the one to slip out of the top ten.
-
Healy asked Swann about a rumoured deal b/w us, Carlton and West Coast that Carlton get Kreuzer, Eagles get Cotchin and Richmond gets Cale Morton. Swann dismissed it.
-
we better get cotchin
-
we better get cotchin
A sudden conversion X :lol
3aw saying this rumour is strong. That Cotchin will end up an Eagle. Let's hope the rumour is rubbish like others 3aw have had over the last couple of nights.
-
we better get cotchin
A sudden conversion X :lol
3aw saying this rumour is strong. That Cotchin will end up an Eagle. Let's hope the rumour is rubbish like others 3aw have had over the last couple of nights.
initially i was happy either way, didnt fuss me, but morton seemed a betetr ddeal if his bro came to us cheap.
but now i think, why the f should we help wce get who they want, f uck em all, had enough of wce, carlsum, wallace and miller.
miller had better do the right thing
he is a bs mutha.f and should shut the hell up and stop saying we will be active.
he has no idea and no one wants to deal with him or us, except port whop can turn duds into good players cos they have a good coach unlike us!
this week was meant to bring us more hope, instead its f us up with a one way ticket to hell
-
A Tigers' fan just rang up 3aw and said he'll barrack for West Coast next year if we fail to pick up Cotchin. The media would be loving hearing angry Tiger fans make dills of themselves on radio.
Let's just cool it down and see what actually happens. No point worrying about ifs. If we do pass on Cotchin and he wins the rising star then we can go ape. Likewise if Morton surprises I'm going to look like a dill for pumping up Cotchin. I just rate Cotchin having seen him play. Cotchin of course trained with us as part of his AIS scholarship.
-
A Tigers' fan just rang up 3aw and said he'll barrack for West Coast next year if we fail to pick up Cotchin. The media would be loving hearing angry Tiger fans make dills of themselves on radio.
Let's just cool it down and see what actually happens. No point worrying about ifs. If we do pass on Cotchin and he wins the rising star then we can go ape. Likewise if Morton surprises I'm going to look like a dill for pumping up Cotchin. I just rate Cotchin having seen him play. Cotchin of course trained with us as part of his AIS scholarship.
HAHAHAHA thats hilarious lol .... barracking for eagles and then some of you clowns come on here and have a go at people like me lol. HAHAHAHAHA
-
I think any of Kruz, Cotchin or Morten will end up as consistent AFL footballers.
BTW I think given time Bling will be a good player also, selection in this range is improving in certainty year to year. Top fives won't be a let down often.
It is turning the picks from the 2nd round up onto great players that make a team into a contender.
Getting some talls who will become AFL footballers in our subsequent picks is what's important for us. I think we should get Robbie Tarrant at least he's not skinny and will provide a target in years to come.
X your have more changes of opinion than a menopausal Irish Setter....
-
menopausal Irish Setter....
do i even want to know what that is :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
-
It is turning the picks from the 2nd round up onto great players that make a team into a contender.
Getting some talls who will become AFL footballers in our subsequent picks is what's important for us. I think we should get Robbie Tarrant at least he's not skinny and will provide a target in years to come.
Agree HT. Rookies especially seem to have a good rate of produce guns for such a cheap option. Foley and Thursty a prime example for us. In this draft it'll be picks 18, 19 and 35 (if we still have them) that will decide how successful this draft will be for us. Someone like a Tarrant could be around at 35. I'm a fan of Mitch Farmer too although he's another small.
-
i am a bit scared ...
i do want Cotchin but it seems that Morton we are highly rating more ...
Mitch Morton if we get him ... (which i don't want him ...) ... can increase Morton's chances with us ...
can someone please give me the stats on all three players ...
Age, Height, Weight, Strengths, Matches Played For Which Ever Current Team ???
-
For those interested, there's a BF thread which consolidates various opinions on this year's potential draftees:
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=388450
-
For those interested, there's a BF thread which consolidates various opinions on this year's potential draftees:
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=388450
Geez, I have been umming and ahhing over who I would like to see us grab at 2, but after reading that, it has to be Trent Cotchin!! He and Deledio will be some pairing!!!!
-
For those interested, there's a BF thread which consolidates various opinions on this year's potential draftees:
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=388450
Geez, I have been umming and ahhing over who I would like to see us grab at 2, but after reading that, it has to be Trent Cotchin!! He and Deledio will be some pairing!!!!
:thumbsup
Whoever we choose you'd hope our recruiters have regularly seen these kids play live and aren't mainly relying on video highlights of games. You can't tell how good or bad a draftee's decision making is from tv.
-
i've long held that i want cotchin at punt road and nothing is chaning.
-
i've long held that i want cotchin at punt road and nothing is chaning.
Same here bluey.
It's funny how polarised views on Cotchin are though. For instance Weaver on BF doesn't think much of him.
-
Does anyone think young KPP Lachlan Henderson will slide down the draft order due to the broken fibula he suffered?
Btw here's an interview Henderson did with bomberblitz:
http://bomberblitz.com/news/interviews/henderson.php
-
Does anyone think young KPP Lachlan Henderson will slide down the draft order due to the broken fibula he suffered?
Btw here's an interview Henderson did with bomberblitz:
http://bomberblitz.com/news/interviews/henderson.php
Interesting but doubt he'd slide all the way to our no. 18.
Hope so but doubt it.
-
Does anyone think young KPP Lachlan Henderson will slide down the draft order due to the broken fibula he suffered?
Btw here's an interview Henderson did with bomberblitz:
http://bomberblitz.com/news/interviews/henderson.php
Interesting but doubt he'd slide all the way to our no. 18.
Hope so but doubt it.
ditto, if one of rance, henderson or gourdis miracuously fell i'd be licking my lips
-
Does anyone think young KPP Lachlan Henderson will slide down the draft order due to the broken fibula he suffered?
Btw here's an interview Henderson did with bomberblitz:
http://bomberblitz.com/news/interviews/henderson.php
Interesting but doubt he'd slide all the way to our no. 18.
Hope so but doubt it.
ditto, if one of rance, henderson or gourdis miracuously fell i'd be licking my lips
Weaver reckons Henderson's leg injury has affected his kicking depth (i.e. struggling to kick longer than 30m).
-
Cousins in Pre-Season ???
-
Does anyone think young KPP Lachlan Henderson will slide down the draft order due to the broken fibula he suffered?
Btw here's an interview Henderson did with bomberblitz:
http://bomberblitz.com/news/interviews/henderson.php
Interesting but doubt he'd slide all the way to our no. 18.
Hope so but doubt it.
ditto, if one of rance, henderson or gourdis miracuously fell i'd be licking my lips
Weaver reckons Henderson's leg injury has affected his kicking depth (i.e. struggling to kick longer than 30m).
reckon he was just overstating for impact
-
AFL Mock Draft 2007
aflinsider.net
1. Carlton - Matthew Kreuzer (Ruckman/Tall Forward. 199cm, 91kg. Comparison: Leuenberger or young McKernan)
2. Richmond - Cale Morton
Tall Defender/Midfielder. 192cm, 75kg. Claremont
Possible comparison: A taller and quicker version of Joel Bowden, using the ball accurately and often from the back half, but also getting into the middle of the ground more. In last year's draft, Andrejs Everitt was taken high after showing a great combination of height, agility and skills, Cale Morton is similar but more advanced.
Why: They are a bit little, so they can help rectify that by adding players that are large for their position. Morton could be one of the bigger midfielders in the AFL if they decide to play him there. The choice is Cotchin or Morton, Morton might have an extra 10cm on Cotchin and still be able to play the same position so that could be a reason to take Cale Morton at pick 2.
Worth a reach: Alex Rance, the Tigers need some size in the back line and Rance at centre half back would be a solid move.
Hope they slide: Kreuzer, so unlikely to happen, but it would be a great day for the yellow and black if it did.
3. West Coast - Trent Cotchin (Midfielder. 184cm, 81kg. Comparison: Brett Deledio)
4. Melbourne - Brad Ebert (Midfielder. 187cm, 86kg. Comparison: Maybe a bit like Voss or Buckley)
5. Bulldogs - Ben McEvoy (Tall Forward/Ruckman. 199cm, 90kg. Comparison: Drew Petrie)
6. Essendon - Rhys Palmer (Midfielder/Small Forward. 180cm, 76kg. Comparison: Peter Bell, Gary Ablett junior)
7. Fremantle - Alex Rance (Tall Defender. 194cm, 87kg. Comparison: Jared Rivers or Jarrad Waite)
8. Brisbane - David Myers (Midfielder/Medium Defender. 190cm, 85kg. Comparison: Josh Drummond, Joel Corey or Scott Pendlebury)
9. St Kilda - Lachlan Henderson (Tall Forward. 196cm, 90kg. Comparison: Lachlan Hansen)
10. Adelaide - Chris Masten (Midfielder, 179cm, 78kg. Comparison: Paul Hasleby)
11. Sydney - David Gourdis (Tall Forward. 193cm, 88kg. Comparison: Jack Riewoldt with just a bit more athleticism)
12. Hawthorn - Tom Collier (Tall Defender/Midfielder. 192cm, 86kg. Comparison: Birchall)
13. West Coast - Tom Bellchambers (Ruckman. 199cm, 91kg. Comparison: Dean Brogan or Stephen King)
14. Melbourne - Tayte Pears (Tall Defender. 192cm, 90kg. Comparison: Geelong's Egan)
15. Kangaroos - Cyril Rioli (Small Forward/Midfielder. 178cm, 74kg. Comparison: Paul Chapman)
16. Port Adelaide - Levi Greenwood (Midfielder. 181cm, 91kg. Comparison: Rodan but can fly for a mark)
17. Geelong - Scott Selwood (Midfielder/Small Defender. 184cm, 81kg. Comparison: Like Joel Selwood but more in the back half)
18. Richmond - Steve Gaertner
Tall Forward. 196cm, 83kg. Dandenong/Edithvale-Aspendale
Possible comparison: Matthew Richardson, Tiger fans might see some similarities as Gaertner is also big and athletic.
Why: Richardson will need to be replaced in a few years, and he would certainly enjoy having some immediate assistance too. Riewoldt, Richardson and Gaertner up forward would be an exciting trio of tall forwards. Adding another big forward would also allow them to play Polak as a back, as they need height down that end too.
Worth a reach: Tony Notte, another option for the Tigers as a player to develop to take over from Richardson.
Hope they slide: Cyril Rioli, sometimes a few of the quality smaller players are taken later than expected in drafts, it would take a big slide for him to get to this pick and Richmond fans would celebrate if it did occur.
19. Bulldogs - Jack Grimes (Midfielder. 187cm, 76. Comparison: Kane Johnson or Brett Kirk)
20. West Coast - Tony Notte (Tall Forward. 194cm, 70kg. Comparison: Luke McPharlin up forward)
-
Interesting in such a shallow draft where it'll be hard to find good players after pick 30, the Bulldogs plan to use at least 6 of their 7 picks (5, 19, 35, 43, 48, 61, 65).
-
Nominal picks after all the delistings and rookie promotions. Tigers have picks 2, 18, 50 and either pick 62 or our PSD pick.
Adelaide: 10, 27, 30, 38, 57, 69 (Taylor Walker - NSW Scholarship)
Brisbane: 8, 25, 41, 51, 55
Carlton: 1 (PP), 36, 46, 63
Collingwood: 31, 47, 60 (Jaxson Barham - F/S)
Essendon: 6, 23, 39 (Darcy Daniher - F/S), 53, 66
Footscray: 5, 19, 35, 43, 48, 61, 65
Fremantle: 7, 24, 40, 54, 67, 71
Geelong: 17, 34, 44, 49, 59 (Adam Donohue - F/S)
Hawthorn: 12, 29, 45
Melbourne: 4, 14, 21, 52, 64, 70
North Melbourne: 15, 32, 37
Port Adelaide: 16, 28, 33
Richmond: 2, 18 (PP), 50, 62
St Kilda: 9, 42, 56, 68
Sydney: 11, 26, 58 (Craig Bird - NSW Scholarship)
West Coast: 3, 13, 20, 22
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9383374&postcount=23
-
is there a second list lodgment ???
-
is there a second list lodgment ???
Yup, next Friday.
-
There's also a third list lodgement at the end of the month (Nov 30) after the National draft.
-
Okay there's a million phantom drafts around but here's two where the BF posters (TOA - Eagles' fan and Quigley) have gone to a bit of effort with explanations:
Pick 2 – Richmond – Trent COTCHIN (07/04/89) 185/80
Cotchin ticks a lot of boxes; bottom-age, quality skills off both feet, good pace and footy smart. He has suffered from various injuries this year and has probably only shown form as a half forward pushing up onto the ball. Will he be the Tigers selection at 2? Who knows, it will probably be easier to flip a coin than decide. Assuming Kreuzer is selected by the Blues, then it looks like a race in two between Cotchin and Morton. There have been varying rumours on who the Tigers will select here. Some say they wouldn’t have traded for Mitch Morton if they didn’t want Cale and that Cale is very much a Richmond type of player because of his height and athleticism. Others argue that Cotchin is just what they need and is the better prospect because of his inside ability. There is little doubt that Cale has received interest from the Tigers, he was the first player they approached at the draft camp and there are rumours that head recruiter prefers him to Cotchin. However I will back the Tigers to go with the local boy based only on a hunch. Although it must be said I’m not doing it with any confidence whatsoever.
Pick 18 – Richmond – Steven GAERTNER (02/01/90) 198/85
Gaertner is X-factor personified. Bottom-age, seriously quick, very tall and extremely agile, he could be something very special. He could go anywhere from pick 5 to 40, the one thing holding him back is his kicking, and it will be the club who is surest they can correct this flaw that will take him. Among others, the Tigers, WC and Adelaide have shown interest. The Tigers ideally want to get a key defender at this selection and Gaertner has the pace which Miller and co have emphasised in the past. If available then you’d expect they’d consider Pears (who they have spoken to on more than one occasion) or Rance strongly. If they decided to go small then Tigers have been strongly linked to Dangerfield, and also Addam Maric.
Pick 50 – Richmond– Dean PUTT (23/04/89) 203/90
Smokey who could go a lot earlier given his testing results at his state screening. Not really a ruckman at this stage but has the elements to be a very handy AFL player. Rumour that the Tigers looking at taking someone ‘from left field’ at this pick, Putt could be the man.
Pick 62 – Richmond – Pass
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=395295
-
2. Richmond – Cale Morton – DOB 18/1/90 Ht 192 Wt 75
Richmond have a tough decision to make about whether to take Morton or Cotchin. At the end I decided to go with Morton basically because of he adds some much needed height to Tigers running brigade. It also reunites two of the Morton brothers and might be the best way to get the best out of Mitch who has been a bit of a problem child to date.
Morton was the Larke medallist and rightly so from my perspective. Playing in the middle or at half back he gave the Western Australians great run and the effectiveness of his disposal set him apart from the other midfielders for WA. He averaged 25 possessions a match and made them all count. He has good hands, works well in tight and never seems to fumble but for me most impressive is his kicking. He has a beautiful, long kick off either foot and he has the great ability to hit his man in stride. His disposal was as good as any at the championships. He is good under pressure in the backline and seems to have the time to pick out the best option. His vision and player awareness is also very good. He will go forward when the chance arises and will kick goals anywhere from 55m in. Coming into the year there was questions about his marking ability but he seems to have laid those issues to rest leading Div 1 with 28 marks for the three matches.
There will be some conjecture about where he will play at AFL level. Not because he lacks anything physically or skill wise but simply because he could legitimately play anywhere much like Chad Cornes. At 192 cms he could end up a key position and the thought of him running off half back would have a lot of teams salivating. On the other side of the coin it had the best beep test at camp (15.4) and is an elite runner and as such he could get a run in the midfield with any team in the AFL. At the moment he is too thin to play key position and is likely to start on the wing or a stuff where he can use his running ability. Cale is an intriguing combination of physical, athletic and skill talents that would have the teams drafting in the top four rubbing their hands together. At camp he also finished 3rd in the 3km time trial.
He played mostly school football this year and only managed one game of seniors for Claremont but he did manage to be named the best player for them in that game. The main concerns about Mitch I think centre around personality and development issues which seem to run in his family.
18. Richmond – Tom Bellchambers – DOB 9/7/89 Ht 199 Wt 91
Richmond need to pick up a ruck in this draft and for me Bellchambers would be a very nice addition to their side. He is a big bodied ruck that will be able to provide a contest and will likely be playing before most of the more lightly built rucks prospects have developed. An AFL preseason is likely to do him the world of good and he could end up being a steal at the end of the first round or early second.
For me he was clearly the best ruck in Division 2 this year being too strong for his opposition. He was unlucky that the Div 1 rucks were so strong this year otherwise he might have been a strong chance for AA. His game body shape, size and game is similar to that of Clark Keating except that he is more of a tap ruck rather than a crash and bash sort in the ruck. There is a fair bit of the crash and bash though around the ground where he doesn’t mind throwing his ample frame around. His 1%ers are very good for a big man and he will work to lay a tackle and shepherd when needed. In the ruck he is one of the more skilled tap rucks going around this year and he gets first hands to the ball more often than not. It is worth noting that he beat Matthew Clarke in his VFL debut against the Scorpions this year.
It is probably unlikely that he will ever be a high possession ruck but he will get a few and his disposal is pretty good. Around the ground he is a lumbering sort (ie not quick) that looks ungainly but still manages to cover a fair bit of ground. Word is that his conditioning levels are poor and for me that is encouraging. I was impressed with him when he was half fit and so if he lifts his endurance he has an excellent chance of being a top shelf ruckman. I would be interested to see what he measured in at at camp as when I have seen him in person I came away thinking that might be shorter than advertised. That being said I still is legitimate ruck size at AFL level. For me he is a late first early second round pick. I couldn’t see Richmond, Bulldogs, West Coast and Melbourne all passing from him at the top of the second round.
51. Richmond – Austin Wonaeamirri – DOB 2/10/88 Ht 176 Wt 76
Richmond haven’t had much luck recently with their short indigenous players but with them setting up their indigenous academy I would expect them to take one or two aboriginal guys this year. Wonaeamirri is a hard working in and under who would add some starch to their midfield which has too many soft players at the moment I think. I like him and Richmond could do a lot worse at this stage.
The biggest problem for Wonaeamirri may be that he just doesn’t look like a footballer. He is a bit on the short side and doesn’t look in shape being a bit on the pudgey side (technical term there). When I watch him I tend to prejudge him because of that but I am willing to admit the kid can play. He also may be a bit taller than advertised as he was listed at 178 in end of year publications.
At the Champs he probably covered as much ground as any of the Territory guys and I would expect him to have lead them in disposals. He has good pace and is capable of bursting through tackles with pace and strength. He has good vision and lead the way through the middle or off half back for the Territory. He has good skills off either foot although when pressured some of his disposals can go astray. Any team looking to toughen up their midfield could do worse than Wonaeamirri as he is as tough as nails and tackles exceptionally well. He is older than most draft picks and this might count against him. He has been good in the seniors for Norwood this year as a goal kicking wingman. Wonaemirri was named NT’s best player at the Champs.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=395411
-
TOA and Quigley have put some effort into that.
They've even modified where our picks will effectively fall.
ps D'Oh! :-X (Thanks O-E :))
-
less than 2 weeks away now. Personally I dont feel any sense of great excitement we left ourselves in a poor position having to take a 3rd pick at 51. Hopefully we can find 1 really good player at 2 (who will play 200 games and 1 handy player at 18 who can go on and play 100 games of AFL footy and at pick 51 ... lets just all go to church and pray for a miracle lol.
-
we are getting trent cotchin !
-
we are getting trent cotchin !
i hope your right but based on what
-
less than 2 weeks away now. Personally I dont feel any sense of great excitement we left ourselves in a poor position having to take a 3rd pick at 51. Hopefully we can find 1 really good player at 2 (who will play 200 games and 1 handy player at 18 who can go on and play 100 games of AFL footy and at pick 51 ... lets just all go to church and pray for a miracle lol.
That's the problem with only having 3 picks. You can't afford to make a mistake :-\.
TOA's phantom picks aren't the worst 3 selections linked to us IMO. I'd be concerned though if we picked up two Division 2 draftees as Quigley has us doing. Div 2 (Tas, NSW, Qld and NT) was really poor this year.
-
The AFL site has a summary of the potential top ruck draftees - follow the link
Matthew Kreuzer – Northern Knights, Vic, 199.5cm, 94.0kg, DOB 13/5/89
Dawson Simpson - Murray Bushrangers, Vic, 205.9cm, 104.9kg, 17/2/89
Ben McEvoy – Murray Bushrangers, Vic, 200.2cm, 94.6kg, 11/7/89
Tom Bellchambers - Tassie Mariners, Tas, 200.7cm, 99.6kg, 9/6/89
Joel Smouha – Mt Gravatt, Qld, 196.3cm, 82.1kg, 5/2/90
http://www.afl.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=53158
-
Footydraft.com has been resurrected for 2007. So far it has 23 profiles on potential draftees. Worth checking out.
footydraft.com (http://footydraft.com)
-
Top draft prospects: Tall defenders
10:12 AM Wed 14 November, 2007
By Jason Phelan,
afl.com.au
Alex Rance – Swan Districts, WA, 192.3cm, 87.6kg, DOB 9/10/89
David Myers – Perth, WA, 190.7cm, 86.2kg, DOB 30/6/89
Tayte Pears – East Perth, WA, 190.1cm, 91.8kg, DOB 24/3/90
Tom Collier – Tassie Mariners, TAS, 192.3cm, 83.7kg, DOB 25/3/89
Chris Kangars – Geelong Falcons, VIC, 193.1cm, 84.9kg, DOB 1/8/89
Full article and profiles at: http://www.afl.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=208&newsId=53227
-
we are getting trent cotchin !
i hope your right but based on what
"based" on a mate's close source ...
-
There's a full list of nominees here
http://www.afl.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=208&newsId=53248
According to it Andrew Kellaway and Shane Morrison have both nominated. :-\ ???
And Ty Zantuck.
-
There's a full list of nominees here
http://www.afl.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=208&newsId=53248
According to it Andrew Kellaway and Shane Morrison have both nominated. :-\ ???
And Ty Zantuck.
ah young ty, what happened there?
-
ah young ty, what happened there?
I think it's what didn't happen between his ears.
-
There's a full list of nominees here
http://www.afl.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=208&newsId=53248
According to it Andrew Kellaway and Shane Morrison have both nominated. :-\ ???
And Ty Zantuck.
ah young ty, what happened there?
I think Ty is playing for Kangaroo Flat nowdays.
-
There's a full list of nominees here
http://www.afl.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=208&newsId=53248
According to it Andrew Kellaway and Shane Morrison have both nominated. :-\ ???
And Ty Zantuck.
Damn, just realised I posted this on the wrong thread. Sorry about that!. :-\
-
http://www.afl.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=208&newsId=53248
"Player number 112015, Trent Cotchin, Northern Knights" :pray
-
http://www.afl.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=208&newsId=53248
"Player number 112015, Trent Cotchin, Northern Knights" :pray
Player number 114091 John Gray, Boisdale :pray :lol
-
http://www.afl.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=208&newsId=53248
"Player number 112015, Trent Cotchin, Northern Knights" :pray
Player number 114091 John Gray, Boisdale :pray :lol
that is not funny >:( :lol :thumbsup
-
that is not funny >:( :lol :thumbsup
Maybe as a rookie :whistle :lol
He's actually a mate we entered. Let me tell you, he's not a happy chappy. :lol
-
Some parents are cruel :rollin
21037 Christopher Christopher Hurstbridge 23-07-1983
-
1290 Players have Nominated ...
farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ... a fair bit ...
though some (about 10-20%) are Ex-AFL Players ... as we already know ...
though i never realised how many nomination there are in a draft ...
and only 100-120 Players are Drafted through both Draft, Pre-Season, Rookie ...
about 9.3% - 10.0% of those nominations get picked ... tough competition ... lol ... interesting ...
-
Ben Hart from Adelaide is there.
Surely he's not wanting to play again?
-
Top draft prospects: Tall forwards
Fri 16 November, 2007
By Jason Phelan, afl.com.au
Robbie Tarrant – Bendigo Pioneers, VIC, 195.9cm, 90.1kg, DOB 25/4/89
Tony Notte – Swan Districts, WA, 194.5cm, 71.5kg, DOB 15/4/90
Jarrad Grant – Dandenong Stingrays, VIC, 192.4cm, 76.7kg, DOB 6/7/89
Lachlan Henderson – Geelong Falcons, VIC, 195.5cm, 91.5kg, DOB 14/12/89
David Gourdis – Subiaco, WA, 192.4cm, 88.9kg, DOB 14/3/89
Full profiles at: http://www.afl.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=53283
-
David Gourdis would be show at Pick 18 for us. A type Plough would like.
NAB AFL Draft Camp highlights
* 20m Sprints – 2.83 (1st overall)
* Vertical Standing Jump – 81 cm (1st overall)
* Repeat Sprints – 24.22 sec (6th overall)
Kevin Sheehan, AFL National Talent Manager says:
“Gourdis you just couldn’t ignore at Draft Camp where he tested in the top 1 per cent of anyone [in Camp history] for speed. At 192cm he did a 2.83 second time which was the quickest at Camp and he was up in the top bracket with the repeat sprints as well, and his vertical jump was again in the top 1 per cent of the kids we’ve ever tested. What that says to you – it doesn’t say ‘you are going to play AFL football’ – it says that you’ve got enormous athletic ability. He’s a WA under-18 rep this year so you’ll go back and have a good look at him playing for them. He’s a lead-up forward with that kind of speed and spring.
“He’s still developing as a player with his use of the footy and his decision making, but he’s got wonderful athletic ability and at his age there’s still scope for plenty of improvement in him. He’s got some attributes that will take all the clubs take notice and assess their football evaluation of him.”
Jon Haines, Talent and Coaching Manager WA Football Commission says:
“David blew us away with his sprint work for a guy of his size. He played mainly in key position roles for Subiaco this year – both forward and back – more so at centre half-forward in the colts. He works pretty hard up the ground and with that pace he causes a few headaches for defenders.
“He’s a very team-oriented player; probably overly so. One thing he could probably do is keep the ball to himself a little bit more; he tends to go over and above in terms of bringing other players into the game, but he’s a very coachable and flexible young player with a lot of the attributes that clubs are looking for.”
-
Club by club draft selections
6:53 PM Fri 16 November, 2007
afl.com.au
Club No. of selections Selection numbers
Richmond 4 2, 18, 51, 64 (Pick 64 can only be used if we don't use our PSD pick or another player is delisted)
Adelaide 7 10, 27, 30, 38, 58, 71, 75* (Taylor Walker – NSW Scholarship holder)
Bris Lions 5 8, 25, 41, 52, 56
Carlton 4 1, 36, 46, 65
Collingwood 3 31, 47, 61* (Father-son – Jaxson Barham)
Essendon 5 6, 23, 39*, 54, 68 (Father-son – Darcy Daniher)
Fremantle 6 7, 24, 40, 55, 69, 74
Geelong 5 17, 34, 44, 50, 60* (Father-son – Adam Donohue)
Hawthorn 3 12, 29, 45
Kangaroos 5 15, 32, 37, 62, 72
Melbourne 6 4, 14, 21, 53, 66, 73
Port Adel 4 16, 28, 33, 49
St Kilda 4 9, 42, 57, 70
Sydney 3 11, 26, 59* (Craig Bird – NSW Scholarship holder)
W. Bulldogs 7 5, 19, 35, 43, 48, 63, 67
West Coast 4 3, 13, 20, 22
http://www.afl.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=53312
-
75 picks in total
70 live picks excluding father son etc.
Clubs will pass in the later rounds so it's probably likely to be only 67 picks.
-
A poster on BF has posted edited highlights of U18 football this year (mostly from the U18 carnival with some TAC cup from Kreuzer and Cotchin).
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9489581&postcount=1
-
For something different, the Sunday Mail in Adelaide had Cotchin at 6 :o.
WHO'LL GO WHERE? Chris McDermott & Jesper Fjeldstadt.
Priority Pick
1: Carlton; Mathew Kreuzer, Northern Knights, 199cm, 94kg
Round 1
2: Richmond; Cale Morton, Claremont, 192, 79
3: West Coast; Rhys Palmer, Claremont 180,80
4: Melbourne; Lachlan Henderson, Geelong Falcons, 196, 91
5: Bulldogs; David Gourdis, Subiaco, 193, 89
6: Essendon; Trent Cotchin, Northern Knights, 184, 80
7: Fremantle; David Myers, Perth, 190, 86
8: Brisbane; Chris Masten, East Fremantle, 178, 77
9: St. Kilda; Ben McEvoy, Murray Bushrangers, 199, 95
10: Adelaide; Brad Ebert, Port Magpies, 187, 86
11: Sydney; Alex Rance, Swan Districts, 194, 88
12: Hawthorn; Tayte Pears, East Perth, 191,92
13: West Coast; Cyril Rioli, St. Mary's, 178, 79
14: Melbourne; Patrick Veszpremi, Northern Knights, 181, 85
15: Kangaroos; Callan Ward, Western Jets, 183, 71
16: Port; Tom Bellchambers, Tassie Mariners, 199, 91
17: Geelong; Scott Selwood, Bendigo Pioneers, 184, 81
Priority Pick
18: Richmond; Patrick Dangerfield, Geelong Falcons, 188, 83
Round 2 (No Height and weight given, sorry)
19: Bulldogs; Jack Grimes, Northern Knights
20: West Coast; Tony Notte, Swan Districts
21: Melbourne; Adam Maric, Calder Cannons
22: West Coast; Steven Gaertner, Dandenong
23: Essendon; Tom Collier, Tasmania
24: Fremantle; Matthew De Boer, Claremont
25: Brisbane; Jarrad Grant, Dandenong
26: Sydney; Patrick McGinnity, Claremont
27: Adelaide; Levi Greenwood, Port Magpies
28: Port; Marlon Motlop, North Adelaide
29: Hawthorn; Ashley Arrowsmith, Calder Cannons
30: Adelaide; Scott Simpson, Dandenong
31: Collingwood; Steven Browne, West Perth
32: Kangaroos; Chris Kangars, Geelong Falcons
33: Port; Alan Obst, Central District
34: Geelong; Andy Otten, Oakleigh Chargers
Round 3
35: Bulldogs; Andrew Renton, Eastern Ranges
36: Carlton; Sam Reid, Southport
37: Kangaroos; Travis Dulic, Calder Cannons
38: Adelaide; Jarrhan Jacky, Subiaco
39: Essendon (F/S); Darcy Daniher, Calder Cannons
40: Fremantle; Trent Dennis-Lane, Subiaco
41: Brisbane; Brendan Whitecross, Kedron (QLD)
42: St. Kilda; Toby Thoolan, Bendigo Pioneers
43: Bulldogs; Dawson Simpson, Murray Bushrangers
44: Geelong; Mitch Farmer, Calder Cannons
45: Hawthorn; Haelan Kay, Gippsland Power
46: Carlton; Michael Shields, Ireland
47: Collingwood; Kevin Dyas, Ireland
48: Bulldogs; Patrick Rose, Williamstown
49: Port; Todd Grima, Geelong
50: Geelong; Dan McKenna, Gippsland
Round 4
51: Richmond; Robert Tarrant, Bendigo
52: Brisbane; James Mulligan, Southport
53: Melbourne; Matthew Lobbe, Eastern Ranges
54: Essendon; Cam Howatt, Richmond
55: Fremantle, Kepler Bradley, Essendon
56: Brisbane; Ash Hockey, Murray Bushrangers
57: St. Kilda; Luke Sampey, East Perth
58: Adelaide; Leigh Treeby, Woodville-West Torrens
59: Sydney; Craig Bird, NSW Scholarship Holder
60: Geelong (F/S); Adam Donahue, Geelong Falcons
61: Collingwood (F/S); Jaxson Barham, Geelong Falcons
62: Kangaroos; John Walker, Murray Bushrangers
63: Bulldogs; Joel Smouha, Mt. Gravatt
Round 5
64: Richmond; Brad Gilder, Sandringham
65: Carlton; Brad Jones, Eastern Ranges
66: Melbourne; Sam Fairclough, Woodville-West Torrens
67: Bulldogs; Michael Rockefeller, Werribee
68: Essendon; Luke Stanton, Northern Knights
69: Fremantle; Jared Petrenko, Woodville-West Torrens
70: St. Kilda; Pass
71: Adelaide; Taylor Walker, NSW Scholarship Holder
72: Kangaroos; Pass
Round 6
73: Melbourne; Pass
74: Fremantle; Pass
75: Adelaide; Pass
-
For something different, the Sunday Mail in Adelaide had Cotchin at 6 :o.
It looks as though they have not gone for best available, but best for the position that team needs most to fill.
I'd be happy with Tarrant at 51
-
What crap is that from the Sunday Mail???
Makes Burgatron look like Nostradamus! :scream
-
For something different, the Sunday Mail in Adelaide had Cotchin at 6 :o.
;D Damn Essendon supporters, they're everywhere, even Adelaide!
-
For something different, the Sunday Mail in Adelaide had Cotchin at 6 :o.
It looks as though they have not gone for best available, but best for the position that team needs most to fill.
I'd be happy with Tarrant at 51
Yeah looks that way. Two tall running players, the types Plough loves, and a big tall.
They've got Cam going to Essendon too at pick 54.
-
Top draft prospects: small/medium forwards
Mon 19 November, 2007 | Jason Phelan | afl.com.au
Cyril Rioli - Northern Territory Thunder, NT, 177.0cm, 78.9kg, DOB 14/07/89
Addam Maric – Calder Cannons, VIC, 177.9cm, 76.8kg, DOB 18/4/90
Patrick Veszpremi – Northern Knights, VIC, 181.2cm, 84.8kg, DOB 1/9/89
Jarrhan Jacky – Subiaco, WA, 178.4cm, 74.5kg, DOB 5/4/89
One To Watch - Chris Mayne – Perth, WA, 187.3cm, 79.8kg, DOB 2/11/88
Full profiles at:
http://afl.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=53325
-
Addam Maric = Gun !
-
Weaver has just put up his Phantom draft on BF.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=397192
He has Kreuzer going to the Eagles!
-
I wouldnt mind us taking 2 midfielders if the right key position isnt available at 18. Whats the point of taking a big bloke if you dont rate him. I dont particularly rate many of the talls if a Rance falls, if a Pears falls ... ok fair enough, but we cant afford to take chances in the HOPE a big may come good. We need to make sure our first 2 Picks can play. If thats 2 midfielders then so be it.
-
Weaver has just put up his Phantom draft on BF.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=397192
Good read once again from Weaver although let's hope it doesn't go like that on Saturday. If Carlton take Cotchin then I can't see us bypassing Kreuzer. Miller has publicly alluded to that.
I can't see Putt going at 18 (too early) although if he is still around at pick 51 he would be a good get. Miller has said we're after a key defender around pick 18 so I don't think Pears would slip past our pick.
Agree with Weaver about after pick 25-30 it's a guessing game.
-
like 4 weeks ago cothcin was always going to be 2 or 3.
tell me whats changed to change that
kruizer will be number 1 and desrvedly so. he is one every club needs.
a ruckman that plays as a midfielder too and scores goals
enough said
-
like 4 weeks ago cothcin was always going to be 2 or 3.
tell me whats changed to change that
kruizer will be number 1 and desrvedly so. he is one every club needs.
a ruckman that plays as a midfielder too and scores goals
enough said
I think Weavers having a bit of fun. The first 3 picks are pretty boring from a speculation point of view. He has admitted the commonly speculated order is the most likely in his preamble.
-
gotcha mate
-
62. Kangaroos – Wes Lammie
A 202cm ruckman and a candidate to be taken as a 19 year old overage player after a good Colts season including a good performance in a winning grand final side. Has good athleticism and pace for a guy his size but will need bulk and time. Those going to that Colts GF to see Morton would have been far more impressed by Lammie.
BF draft board saying Lammie is on our radar.
Height: 2.02 Metres
Weight: 90 Kilograms
Birthdate: December 26, 1988
2007 Club: Swan Districts
From: South Bunbury
Honour(s):
1. 2007 WA Colts Premiership Side, 2nd BOG
2. 2007 AFL Draft Western Australian Screening invitee
Playing record:
http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Wesley%20Lammie&action=PSTATS&pID=186147226&client=1-2393-0-52004-4374301
-
Any of you clowns going tonight to find out who were gonna pick?
-
62. Kangaroos – Wes Lammie
A 202cm ruckman and a candidate to be taken as a 19 year old overage player after a good Colts season including a good performance in a winning grand final side. Has good athleticism and pace for a guy his size but will need bulk and time. Those going to that Colts GF to see Morton would have been far more impressed by Lammie.
BF draft board saying Lammie is on our radar.
Height: 2.02 Metres
Weight: 90 Kilograms
Birthdate: December 26, 1988
2007 Club: Swan Districts
From: South Bunbury
Honour(s):
1. 2007 WA Colts Premiership Side, 2nd BOG
2. 2007 AFL Draft Western Australian Screening invitee
Playing record:
http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_info.cgi?player=Wesley%20Lammie&action=PSTATS&pID=186147226&client=1-2393-0-52004-4374301
sounds like the type the WCE and Dockers have hidden away in the past.
-
weavers PD are always a good read. Weaver's seal of approval on Cotchin makes me want him even more
-
Based on Weavers effort, we should consider taking 2 mids, a Cotchin-Dangerfield double might not be so bad for us if we cant get a decent tall at 18.
-
62. Kangaroos – Wes Lammie
sounds like the type the WCE and Dockers have hidden away in the past.
Yep like they did with Cox and Sandilands.
We won't be using our 4th draft pick so if Lammie's kicking skills are half decent for a ruckman then maybe our first rookie selection?
-
dangerfield is one who is certainly shooting up the draft. could be a draft day bolter :shh. if there are no good KPPs left at 18 i would be rapt to take this kid, quality inside mid :thumbsup
-
Top draft prospects: Medium defenders
4:13 PM Wed 21 November, 2007
By Jason Phelan
afl.com.au
Scott Selwood – Bendigo Pioneers, VIC, 185.1cm, 80.3kg, DOB 27/3/90
Shuttle run – 14-7 (7th overall)
Agility – 8.32 sec (7th overall)
3km time trial – 10:49 (9th overall)
Levi Greenwood – Port Adelaide Magpies, SA, 181.2cm, 92.9kg, DOB 19/2/89
Vertical Standing Jump – 71cm (5th overall)
Repeat Sprints – 24.22 sec (6th overall)
Jack Grimes – Northern Knights, VIC, 186.3cm, 81.6kg, DOB 11/5/89
Steven Browne – West Perth, WA, 179.8cm, 74.7kg, DOB 1/2/89
Callan Ward – Western Jets, VIC, 184.7cm, 73.0kg, DOB 10/4/90
Agility – 8.38 sec (9th overall)
One to Watch: Brendan Whitecross – Zillmere, Qld, 183.3cm, 79.3kg, DOB 25/1/90
20m Sprint – 2.91 sec (5th overall)
Shuttle Run – 14-10 (3rd overall)
Agility – 8.36 sec (8th overall)
Repeat Sprints – 24.25 sec (8th overall)
http://www.afl.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=208&newsId=53441
-
The following delisted players have nominated for Saturday's Draft:
Adelaide - John Hinge, Darren Pfeiffer.
Brisbane Lions - Marcus Allan, Patrick Garner.
Carlton - Craig Flint.
Collingwood - Guy Richards.
Essendon - Kepler Bradley, Richard Cole, Mark Johnson.
Fremantle - Clayton Collard, Ryley Dunn, Calib Mourish, James Walker.
Geelong - Stephen Owen, Matthew Spencer.
Hawthorn - Matt Little, Josh Thurgood.
Kangaroos - Blake Grima, Daniel McConnell, David Trotter, Callum Urch.
Melbourne - Ryan Ferguson, Simon Godfrey, Heath Neville.
Port Adelaide - Ryan Willits.
Richmond - Brent Hartigan, Andrew Krakouer, Carl Peterson.
St Kilda - Fraser Gehrig, Andrew McQualter, Phil Raymond, Justin Sweeney.
Sydney - Simon Phillips, Jonathan Simpkin, Luke Vogels.
West Coast - Daniel Chick, Ashley Sampi.
Western Bulldogs - Travis Baird, Damian McCormack, Tim Walsh.
http://www.afl.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=208&newsId=53435
-
Burgans done his Phantom Draft on the AFL site.
#2 - Trent Cotchin
#18 - Tom Collier
#51 - Darren Pfeiffer
#64 - Guy Richards
-
watch the sites go into meltdown if thats who we get on saturday lol. only cotchin from that lot would be acceptable.
-
Burgans done his Phantom Draft on the AFL site.
#2 - Trent Cotchin
#18 - Tom Collier
#51 - Darren Pfeiffer
#64 - Guy Richards
Pfeiffer???
Richards???
So what does that mean for the PSD?
Burgan really must not rate this draft if we take both of them befor the PSD.
-
dont worry about meltdown ill be making a visit to the local farmer to pick up some manure and paying a visit to punt road.
-
Matt Burgan is going to be on SEN after 4pm.
Yep the site will go into meltdown if the draft went like that. Two recycled players out of just 4 picks :P. I thought we were gong to pass on our 4th pick anyway. I hope Burgan has only the first pick right. I know Collier has his fans but I'm always wary of kids who play 2nd division and who were overlooked in the draft the year before. He does fill our defensive height need though.
-
not saying this is the case, but what if
a recycled player is better than a draft kid. whats the point of picking up a kid if say "they" know 100% the recycled young player is much better
shouldnt we pick the best available player?
just food 4 thought
-
IMHO pfeiffer would be better than any other draftee at 51 based on talent, although my preference would still to rookie him and possibly take collard in the PSD
-
under the burgatron draft scenario we could pick up
cotchin - midfield
gourdis - forward
putt & - ruckman
mcginnity - midfielder
i think that would be a better result.
-
I dont think we will be using our 4th pick - will save till the PSD
-
under the burgatron draft scenario we could pick up
cotchin - midfield
gourdis - forward
putt & - ruckman
mcginnity - midfielder
i think that would be a better result.
Surprised Burgan didn't have McGinnity in his phantom draft at all.
Going through his whole phantom draft he has the following as who we are interested in around our picks:
2: Cotchin
18: Veszpremi, Collier, Maric, Dawson Simpson
51: Lobbe, Scott Simpson, Gourdis, Arrowsmith, Pfeiffer, Corey Grove
64: Richards
-
Top draft prospects - midfielders
Fri 23 November, 2007 | Jason Phelan | afl.com.au
Trent Cotchin – Northern Knights, VIC, 185.6 cm, 79.5 kg, DOB 7/4/90
Honours
Vic Metro representative - NAB AFL Under-18 Championships 2007
AIS-AFL Academy graduate
Kevin Sheehan, AFL National Talent Manager says…
“Trent had an injury through the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships, but finished in fantastic form at the Northern Knights until he had a foot fracture. He showed wonderful ball-winning ability with 38 possessions in finals games under heavy watch because he’s such a highly-credentialed player. He took all of the pressures of being heavily tagged and produced some excellent performances throughout the finals.
“He’s 185cm, so he’s not your small midfielder. He’s going to end up as a good bodied, inside midfielder that’s got attributes like a young Gary Ablett Jr through traffic; he’s able to swerve through, spot targets, his hands and feet are very, very good. He kicks brilliantly on his left and right side – he’s a natural right footer – but his use of the football separates him from many of the other players.
“He’s quite brilliant around goal and he can take the contested mark, he can stand on their shoulders at times, so he’s a very gifted, very quick, inside, medium midfielder.”
Rhys Palmer – East Fremantle, WA, 181.4 cm, 79.8 cm, DOB 13/2/89
Shuttle run – 14.8 (5th overall)
3 km time trial – 10.25 (2nd overall)
Brad Ebert – Port Adelaide Magpies, SA, 188.2 cm, 85.4 kg, DOB 2/4/90
Chris Masten – East Fremantle, WA, 179.6 cm, 77.3 kg, DOB 2/5/89
Cale Morton – Claremont, WA, 191.5 cm, 78.7 kg, DOB 18/1/90
Honours
Michael Larke Medal – Div 1 best player at NAB AFL Under-18 Championships 2007
NAB AFL All-Australian Under-18 Team 2007
Western Australia representative – winners of the 2007 NAB AFL Under-18 Championship
AIS-AFL Academy graduate
NAB AFL Draft Camp highlights
Shuttle run – 15.2 (1st overall)
3 km time trial – 10.32 (3rd overall)
Jon Haines, Talent and Coaching Manager WA Football Commission says…
“Cale is from a really strong footy family and he was outstanding in the Championships as well; he was All-Australian and won the Larke Medal. He’s a difficult sort of player to [categorise], he’s about 192 cm with really good marking strength and really good endurance as well.
“As well as having a big tank, he’s really skilfull, a good decision maker and you’d expect him to go very early in the Draft I would think. Once he fills out he’s got the sort of build that should see him able to play any area of the ground really [similar to Chad Cornes]. Certainly clubs are becoming more and more willing to play those taller players through the midfield part of the ground.”
Patrick Dangerfield – Geelong Falcons, VIC, 186.9 cm, 82.8 kg, DOB 5/4/90
Honours
Vic Metro representative - NAB AFL Under-18 Championships 2007
AIS-AFL Academy graduate
NAB AFL Draft Camp highlights
Repeat Sprints – 23.96 sec (2nd overall)
Vertical Standing Jump – 73 cm (3rd overall)
20 m Sprint – 2.92 sec (7th overall)
Alan McConnell, AIS-AFL High Performance Coach says …
“Patrick has played his best football as a midfielder, although he’s played a range of positions over the last couple of years. He’s very quick and he’s grown about five centimetres and put on about 10 kilograms in the last 12 months, so in terms of how he presented physically a year ago at the under-16 nationals compared to what he’s like now; he’s a totally different lad.
“He has excellent speed, is quite courageous and more of an inside player than an outside player at this stage despite his pace. He is a strong-willed young man who has clear ideas and has good balance in his life. At this stage he’s still completing year 11 so he has another year of schooling to complete.”
One to watch: John Williams – Morningside, Qld, 188.4 cm, 82.5 kg, DOB 8/10/88
Full profiles at: http://www.afl.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=208&newsId=53505
-
“He’s 185cm, so he’s not your small midfielder. He’s going to end up as a good bodied, inside midfielder that’s got attributes like a young Gary Ablett Jr through traffic; he’s able to swerve through, spot targets, his hands and feet are very, very good. He kicks brilliantly on his left and right side – he’s a natural right footer – but his use of the football separates him from many of the other players.
“He’s quite brilliant around goal and he can take the contested mark, he can stand on their shoulders at times, so he’s a very gifted, very quick, inside, medium midfielder.”
I know Shifter never has a bad word to say about any draftee as that's his job to promote them but that summary would be the type of footballer we would all hope to get down at Punt Rd before even knowing which kid is which.
-
i hear the draft will be on SEN tomorrow, would appreciate it if someone can tell me:
- is it an AM or FM station
- what time does it begin
cheers :thumbsup
-
i hear the draft will be on SEN tomorrow, would appreciate it if someone can tell me:
- is it an AM or FM station
- what time does it begin
cheers :thumbsup
10am AEST it starts Bluey
-
i hear the draft will be on SEN tomorrow, would appreciate it if someone can tell me:
- is it an AM or FM station
- what time does it begin
cheers :thumbsup
Radio: 1116 AM
Internet: sen.com.au
Coverage starts at 9am but as Magic said the draft start at 10am.
-
Some wag on the radio said we are so keen on Trent Cotchin we are moving our training close to his home which is not far from Craigieburn :lol
-
cheers :cheers