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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: WA Tiger on May 16, 2012, 01:36:05 PM
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Should we be making a big play for Cloke??
Is he what we need with Jack?
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only if your happy to over the odds for him.
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only if your happy to over the odds for him.
Just putting it out there al, we do need a big name player IMO..would rather have a back man but I would also take a forward too.
We can afford him.
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We would be silly not to at least speak to his management, but as Al implied, if he were to leave Collingwood it would most likely be for stupid money.
Him and Jack in the forward line would look orright, though.
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Cloke? I hope this is a joke. >:( >:( >:(
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We would be silly not to at least speak to his management, but as Al implied, if he were to leave Collingwood it would most likely be for stupid money.
Him and Jack in the forward line would look orright, though.
Agree, we must at least speak to his manager.
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Cloke? I hope this is a joke. >:( >:( >:(
Yep, be a real joke to pick up the best forward in the comp.. :whistle
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if cloke leaves collingwood he will go to the highest bidder. to get him we would have pay way over his worth.
don't forget what effect this would have on current team members. lids signed a five year contract worth what he probably could have got on a three contract on the open market.
bringing in someone like coke on a hugely inflated contract wouldn't sit well amongst the players, IMO
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You would think if he does leave he'd want to move as far away from the toothless collingscum club & supporters as possible.
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We would be silly not to at least speak to his management, but as Al implied, if he were to leave Collingwood it would most likely be for stupid money.
Him and Jack in the forward line would look orright, though.
Agree, we must at least speak to his manager.
Which is his Father David, who seems to very happy shopping his son around to the highest bidder. Though I seem to recall that David left a club that had looked after him rather well for more money..so maybe it's a family trait
I am not sure he is worth $1 mil a season which is what it's going to cost you minimum
And then with Travis you get the whole clan incuding dad Damir oops I meant David
Steer clear Tigers
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Dawes would probably be better value for money, but id wait and see how elton and astbury come along during the year before splurging out and trying to poach someone
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Dawes would probably be better value for money, but id wait and see how elton and astbury come along during the year before splurging out and trying to poach someone
Dawes is a donkey. I wouldn't touch him.
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he'd play millers role with more potential upside. He works hard, takes contested grabs when in form, and is a reasonable kick for goal. he can also pinch hit in the ruck.
I'd take him for the right price, but i wouldnt be going out and actively chasing him at this point in time
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Would have him but he won't come for the $$$ that we offer.
Who did he support as a kid ?
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Dawes would probably be better value for money, but id wait and see how elton and astbury come along during the year before splurging out and trying to poach someone
Dawes is a donkey. I wouldn't touch him.
He's an upside down donkey
Absolute spud
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Dawes flat out at training...
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/112/294765544_6f2ecc5680.jpg)
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:lol
i want one
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careful what you wish for...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pfjk0wEumOE
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reminds me of davey's minature stallion
what was that guy doing with his pants down anyway? reckon that donkey was just getting some of his own back.
anyway, don't ruin it al, i love donkeys
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...and given half a chance they'll love you ;D
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got a carrot?
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Was gonna quote someone here but most of you echoe my thoughts...
1 million is way too much to spend seriously...
Could pick up 2x guns for that price and fill the holes we need to first
Cant see the club after all its hard work on/off the field pick up a player costing that much
anyway time will tell....
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:lol
That mule was adopting the 'treat em mean, keep em keen' approach.
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I think the recruitment of a nominally 'B Grade' Maric has proved to us that there are some diamonds in the rough - dirt cheap too!
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We would be silly not to at least speak to his management, but as Al implied, if he were to leave Collingwood it would most likely be for stupid money.
Him and Jack in the forward line would look orright, though.
Agree, we must at least speak to his manager.
Which is his Father David, who seems to very happy shopping his son around to the highest bidder. Though I seem to recall that David left a club that had looked after him rather well for more money..so maybe it's a family trait
I am not sure he is worth $1 mil a season which is what it's going to cost you minimum
And then with Travis you get the whole clan incuding dad Damir oops I meant David
Steer clear Tigers
Even worse, you get his mum. She is a dragon! Met her personally. She told me she hates Richmond!
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Dawes would probably be better value for money, but id wait and see how elton and astbury come along during the year before splurging out and trying to poach someone
Dawes is a donkey. I wouldn't touch him.
X2
And don't want any Cloke or Shaw at the club period.
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what was that guy doing with his pants down anyway?
That was my question too Gerks. Didn't replay it to ponder any further though, once was enough! :o
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Dawes would probably be better value for money, but id wait and see how elton and astbury come along during the year before splurging out and trying to poach someone
Dawes is a donkey. I wouldn't touch him.
He's an upside down donkey
Absolute spud
Averages a mighty 1 goal per game playing full forward for one of the best sides in the league. Gun.
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Hang on, Doesn't Big Griff average 1 goal per game as well :outtahere :outtahere
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We would be silly not to at least speak to his management, but as Al implied, if he were to leave Collingwood it would most likely be for stupid money.
Him and Jack in the forward line would look orright, though.
Agree, we must at least speak to his manager.
Agreed. Folly not to. No matter what you think of him he can play and would make our side better no doubt.
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Cloke? I hope this is a joke. >:( >:( >:(
Yep, be a real joke to pick up the best forward in the comp.. :whistle
bulllsh1t, most overrated fwd in the comp!!!! no way he is not required
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Cloke? I hope this is a joke. >:( >:( >:(
Yep, be a real joke to pick up the best forward in the comp.. :whistle
bulllpoo, most overrated fwd in the comp!!!! no way he is not required
Sorry don't agree, go look at his contested marks.
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Just curious WAT, what would you trade for him?
I am assuming it wouldn't be a well performing mature player in a package from your Foley posts, so high draft picks or wishful thinking in the PSD.
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Just curious WAT, what would you trade for him?
I am assuming it wouldn't be a well performing mature player in a package from your Foley posts, so high draft picks or wishful thinking in the PSD.
Free agency.
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Just curious WAT, what would you trade for him?
I am assuming it wouldn't be a well performing mature player in a package from your Foley posts, so high draft picks or wishful thinking in the PSD.
Free agency.
Hmmm forgot about that
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Id prefer to keep my eye on "Creche GWS" than pay overs for Cloke. GWS won't be able to keep all their young talent forever. Just wait for the homesick bug to set in and the rest is gravy!
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Should we be making a big play for Cloke??
Is he what we need with Jack?
He s exactly what we need but not for 1mn ....that would severely compromise our ability re sign our stable of stars :shh
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We should have some money available when McGuane, Moore etc get delisted/retire. Have a crack at Clokey
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We should have some money available when McGuane, Moore etc get delisted/retire. Have a crack at Clokey
Sadly not even 600k would be enough for this maggot, i can see him leaving....700 would be as much collingwood could afford...that well short of 1mn...being his last contract, thats a serious gap
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Need to be involved in every Free Agent deal going around.
Pity that it may up the asking price out of our range. ;)
Pile in boys, makes it easier to pick up Hartley's discount bargains.
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is there a list of end of season 2011 uncontracted players somewhere?
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Cloke? I hope this is a joke. >:( >:( >:(
Yep, be a real joke to pick up the best forward in the comp.. :whistle
bulllpoo, most overrated fwd in the comp!!!! no way he is not required
Sorry don't agree, go look at his contested marks.
Cloke is a beast in the forward line. He would be a massive upgrade on Miller and Vickery.
If there is a genuine opportunity to land this guy given where we are at on the premiership clock we'd be mad not to try.
He is the same age as Deledio. Gotta put our hat in the ring.
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Cloke? I hope this is a joke. >:( >:( >:(
Yep, be a real joke to pick up the best forward in the comp.. :whistle
bulllpoo, most overrated fwd in the comp!!!! no way he is not required
Sorry don't agree, go look at his contested marks.
Cloke is a beast in the forward line. He would be a massive upgrade on Miller and Vickery.
If there is a genuine opportunity to land this guy given where we are at on the premiership clock we'd be mad not to try.
He is the same age as Deledio. Gotta put our hat in the ring.
:thumbsup
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I agree MM, exactly what free agency is there for.
If he was CHF in this years team, we beat Cats, Eagles and I would argue Collingwood (what they lose vs what we gain).
Gun contested mark.
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so how much are you prepared to pay for him. as an restricted free agent we would have to offer him more money that collingwood can and as mercernary we would have to offer more than anyone else.
How much more his he worth than deledio?
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Looking better...
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/greater-western-sydney-reportedly-pull-out-of-the-race-to-sign-collingwood-forward-travis-cloke/story-e6frf3e3-1226358146961
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so how much are you prepared to pay for him. as an restricted free agent we would have to offer him more money that collingwood can and as mercernary we would have to offer more than anyone else.
How much more his he worth than deledio?
You ask Lids if a ready made CHF is worth pursuing and I'm sure he would understand an inflated salary is a smallish price to pay for a shot at a flag.
Collingwood paid over the odds for Luke Ball and Darren Jolly - players can be sold the benefit if they can see the big picture.
Let's be a bit brazen here (BTW, he will sign with Magpies in the next few days but a good topic anyways!)
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so how much more more than deledio do you think he's worth, and how much more than deledio does delidio think he's worth?
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Don't forget the cap increase by 600k next year, plus we have McGuane on a massive deal.
Cut Moore as well and we would have the room.
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Don't forget the cap increase by 600k next year, plus we have McGuane on a massive deal.
Cut Moore as well and we would have the room.
Should have just quoted the Coach.
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What price a premiership ?
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What price a premiership ?
Exactly. I'm not surprised GWS have pulled out. They're further away than we are on the clock.
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Didn't our downwards spiral start some 30 odd yrs ago by buying overpriced players from collingwood??
Yet. Here we are again and ppl are screaming to take him even though he is way overpriced??
Great player imo and probably just what we need right now in terms of player fit. But not at the cost on the back of the players who have taken cuts to stay together and work towards a flag.
Eff him and his old man what's his name again david blunt, stunt or that's it cloke... Sorry I always forgoet that one
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Didn't our downwards spiral start some 30 odd yrs ago by buying overpriced players from collingwood??
No it started when Cloke left (along with Raines & Wood). Make no mistake losing David Cloke left a massive hole in our forward line. CHF's do not grow on trees!
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99.9 % he wont be at Richmond anyway so does not matter.
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Did this gun foward win a grand final off his boot? No he is a great mark but an average kick, Jack is better value as he scores more goals from fewer oppotunities and doesn't cost $1,000,000 per season. Using the moneyball principle we should analyse what Cloke brings, he takes more contested marks than anyone in the AFL but has an average conversation rate. All we need is someone who will kick as many goals as Cloke not take as many marks. We should be able to achive this without spending $1,000,000.
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No it started when Cloke left (along with Raines & Wood). Make no mistake losing David Cloke left a massive hole in our forward line. CHF's do not grow on trees!
Losing David Cloke?
Don't you mean David Cloke walking out on the RFC for more money left a massive hole in our forward line
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only if your happy to over the odds for him.
Just putting it out there al, we do need a big name player IMO..would rather have a back man but I would also take a forward too.
We can afford him.
We do not need a big name player.
What we do need are players that can play at the elite level. big difference.
Memo to the club, do not spend a million dollars on Travis Cloke, totally over the odds.
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Melbourne is the latest club named as chasing Cloke. It's claimed the Dees by front-ending contracts have banked up to $800k p.a. over 2010 and 2011 to now chase free agents.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/melbourne-has-salary-cap-room-to-chase-free-agents/story-e6frf9io-1226358220649
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dogs-demons-in-hunt-for-cloke-20120516-1yrl8.html
So that's three clubs interested in Cloke - Melbourne, Bulldogs and Freo.
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Don't you mean David Cloke walking out on the RFC for more money
There was a lot more to his departure than just that and you know it.
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The Clokes s h i t e me. They are only shopping around to get a bigger deal at Collingwood, father David has done it before with the others. If he tracks like his brothers then he only has a couple of more years in him before he sizzles out.
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What irks me most about the Cloke's, even more than David's original betrayal, which was a big factor in our demise, was how when Collingwood were done with him and spat him out like a used chewy, he came crawling back to us. Yet after we took him back and extended his career another two years how did he repay us? By sending all of his piggish brood to the black and white filth. Traitor and maggot of the highest order. Avoid at all cost.
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Not quite
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Don't you mean David Cloke walking out on the RFC for more money
There was a lot more to his departure than just that and you know it.
Perhaps but in the end it cannot be disputed that David Cloke chose the $$$ of the Pies over loyalty to the team that gave him a start.
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Don't you mean David Cloke walking out on the RFC for more money
There was a lot more to his departure than just that and you know it.
Perhaps but in the end it cannot be disputed that David Cloke chose the $$$ of the Pies over loyalty to the team that gave him a start.
Wouldn't be the first to do that and wasn't the last. The angst of Cloke's decision has grown substantially over the years because we've been poo ever since but like the rest of those dark years, we need to move on.
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should invite David down to the club for a cuppa right about now, hall of famer, ex-captain, premiership player, just for old times sake
set some tongues wagging for a laff :shh
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Cloke? I hope this is a joke. >:( >:( >:(
Yep, be a real joke to pick up the best forward in the comp.. :whistle
i dont think so mate.
lets be honest he had 1 good year when he was spoon fed pin point passes by Swan, Pendles and Thomas
He is not worth it and who needs his money hungry old man sniffing around Punt Road. Let him go to Carlton, fit right in there
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He is not worth it and who needs his money hungry old man sniffing around Punt Road. Let him go to Carlton, fit right in there
Nah he'd fit right in at GWS.
Can just picture Travis & Damir oops David sitting with one T Scully and his old man sipping on lattes
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It would be good to have a power forward of that quality but I belive Cloke would just too costly which would cause problems with reciuting other players or keeeping our own. I belive that Blair knows exactly what he is doing and trust his planning,
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How are the dees cashed up so much? Didn't they offer Clarke a ridiculous deal?
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I belive that Blair knows exactly what he is doing and trust his planning,
What if Blair decides Cloke is the best option for us?
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stuff the Clokes and their handle bar 'blue oyster bar' lookin moustache wearing traitor of a father.
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How are the dees cashed up so much? Didn't they offer Clarke a ridiculous deal?
Yer but you can pay the rest in peanuts and used coupons. ;D
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Funny how some are saying that David Cloke was a traitor.......but when I was questioning Deledio IF...IF he moved I was berated by all.....real funny that.. ::)
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Funny how some are saying that David Cloke was a traitor.......but when I was questioning Deledio IF...IF he moved I was berated by all.....real funny that.. ::)
Maybe because Deledio didn't move :-\ :-\
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Funny how some are saying that David Cloke was a traitor.......but when I was questioning Deledio IF...IF he moved I was berated by all.....real funny that.. ::)
Maybe because Deledio didn't move :-\ :-\
No, this was before hi re-signed, I questioned his motive and said IF he did go he was a traitor, got lynched for it....anyway.
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Yeah, you were totally lynched back then, man.
Have the wounds healed?
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Yeah, you were totally lynched back then, man.
Have the wounds healed?
No, never will.. :lol
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Facts are that the Damir Cloke is one real clown of a thing that should not be let anyone near our club.
Edited for use of the "C" word
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be careful with the c word daniel , jackstar may dob u in , that language is offensive ;)
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be careful with the c word daniel , jackstar may dob u in , that language is offensive ;)
Doesn't need anyone to dob him in
Zero Tolerance policy to the "C" word on this forum = 48 hr suspension
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i thought he meant cute sorry
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Should have banned him for his Morris call lmao
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:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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be careful with the c word daniel , jackstar may dob u in , that language is offensive ;)
Doesn't need anyone to dob him in
Zero Tolerance policy to the "C" word on this forum = 48 hr suspension
Reminds me of the Woody Allen line where he says "Oh yes the big "C", my dad died from the big "C"". The other guy says "Yes, cancer is a terrible disease!". Woody says "What do you mean cancer? My dad drowned; he drowned in the the big SEA!" :lol :lol
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Should not be entertained in any way.
Let the overpriced buffoon end up somewhere else where he can demand all the attention and be the big marquee player where quality and substance on the field will be compromised by selfishness and egotism and where results will be a secondary consideration as long as moneybags and his old man are okay.
Shame on you if you fool me once. 1982
Shame on me if you fool me twice. 1991
Don't even entertain a third time.
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Facts are that the Damir Cloke is one real clown of a thing that should not be let anyone near our club.
Edited for use of the "C" word
Fair enough too, maybe they should put the work "Cloke" on the swear filter.
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Wonder how much more confident of a win we would be going into this weekends game with Cloke in our team......just putting it out there. ;D
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Wonder how much more confident of a win we would be going into this weekends game with Cloke in our team......just putting it out there. ;D
He won't be there PNGQ Tiger. No point wasting energy thinking about it.
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Wonder how much more confident of a win we would be going into this weekends game with Cloke in our team......just putting it out there. ;D
He won't be there PNGQ Tiger. No point wasting energy thinking about it.
Still worth the forum debate though... :thumbsup
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I'd be more confident if Nahas was Stephen Hill and Kingy was Cyril
Probably get the both them for the same price as Travis...
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I'd be more confident if Nahas was Stephen Hill and Kingy was Cyril
Probably get the both them for the same price as Travis...
But their not Gerker!
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Hill is the softest player I have seen.
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Pull your head in.
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Hill is the softest player I have seen.
As butter!!
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Makes Edwards look like Luke Carey.
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Makes Edwards look like Luke Carey.
:lol
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laff :shh
Haven't heard that name mentioned in a long time. I wonder where old laff & diggler are now? Probably sipping Pina Colada's in a coterie huddle discussing all the possible options of getting Cloke to Richmond.
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Only if free.
Bad time to give away draft picks.
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Hill is the softest player I have seen.
I agree Coach. Only has pace on his side. Outside downhill Skier if you ask me. Watched him against the Swans at the SCG and he did SFA. Plus only 12 tackles in 7 games of footy this year.
Fyfe on the other hand. Similar build but hard as nails. I'd have him in a heartbeat.
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No Cloke: Hardwick
By Paul Daffey
2:40 PM Fri 18 May, 2012
RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick has all but ruled the Tigers out of joining the race for Collingwood key forward Travis Cloke, saying the club would be unable to justify the outlay that would be required to recruit him.
Hardwick said that while Cloke's financial demands were unknown, the salaries being spoken about were out of the Tigers' range.
Cloke is reportedly in the market to earn $1 million a year if he leaves Collingwood when his contract expires at the end of the year.
Fremantle, Melbourne and the Western Bulldogs have been linked with the key Magpie.
On Thursday, Greater Western Sydney chief executive Dave Matthews said his club had no interest in Cloke.
"If he's on [such] a high amount of money he's not going to be at our footy club," Hardwick said on AFL.com.au's Access All Areas program.
Cloke's tally of 52 marks this season ranks him fourth behind Essendon's Brent Stanton (62) and Richmond defenders Alex Rance (55) and Dylan Grimes (54).
The closest-ranked key forward is Geelong's Tom Hawkins, who's taken 51 marks.
Cloke has kicked 17 goals. Adelaide's Taylor Walker leads the goalkicking table with 23.
http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=136201
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What happened to the Billy Idol post? I mean seriously, if that was offensive :-X
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Well Damien, that's fair enough and will be agreed to by most here but....Melbourne just pick up Clarke and if they get Cloke :-\
Would hate to be sitting under Melbourne on the ladder in two years.
Get used to the big bucks for the big players people, their expected wage won't drop, if we want a star at the club we must be willing to pay.
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Pull your head in.
Reported for innuendo >:(
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Well Damien, that's fair enough and will be agreed to by most here but....Melbourne just pick up Clarke and if they get Cloke :-\
Would hate to be sitting under Melbourne on the ladder in two years.
Get used to the big bucks for the big players people, their expected wage won't drop, if we want a star at the club we must be willing to pay.
you pay one bloke a mill a year and you risk losing second tier foot soldiers due to salary constraints in the next few years.
dont forget also that as players like martin, cotchin, conca grimes rance get more experience and improve the club will have to increase their salaries as well.
i'm happy to hear this from the club. they have been smart in their bringing in of older players in terms of getting good value at lowish cost.
if we are going to ever pay that money to a player, id prefer it to be to a home grown and loyal player that earned the privilege playing along side his mates over a period of time, not a blow in mercenary who will shopped around by his old man for an even bigger paycheck at the end of his contract
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Well Damien, that's fair enough and will be agreed to by most here but....Melbourne just pick up Clarke and if they get Cloke :-\
Would hate to be sitting under Melbourne on the ladder in two years.
Get used to the big bucks for the big players people, their expected wage won't drop, if we want a star at the club we must be willing to pay.
you pay one bloke a mill a year and you risk losing second tier foot soldiers due to salary constraints in the next few years.
dont forget also that as players like martin, cotchin, conca grimes rance get more experience and improve the club will have to increase their salaries as well.
i'm happy to hear this from the club. they have been smart in their bringing in of older players in terms of getting good value at lowish cost.
if we are going to ever pay that money to a player, id prefer it to be to a home grown and loyal player that earned the privilege playing along side his mates over a period of time, not a blow in mercenary who will shopped around by his old man for an even bigger paycheck at the end of his contract
Yep, good points al, but in saying that we can't afford to sit back ALL the time and let some of these players slip through, we must at least talk to them, if only to force their price up for another club.
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no problem with that all
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Well Damien, that's fair enough and will be agreed to by most here but....Melbourne just pick up Clarke and if they get Cloke :-\
Would hate to be sitting under Melbourne on the ladder in two years.
Get used to the big bucks for the big players people, their expected wage won't drop, if we want a star at the club we must be willing to pay.
Melbourne are a rabble PNGQ Tiger. I understand your point but from where we are coming from and where we want to go Cloke is exactly the type of player who can detriment a club on the rebuild. Pass. As for the Dees they'll be lucky to be where we were last year given the veterans in their list the quality of other senior players and their younger players. Long way to go for them and they started their rebuild 2 years before us. :lol :rollin :lol
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Well Damien, that's fair enough and will be agreed to by most here but....Melbourne just pick up Clarke and if they get Cloke :-\
Would hate to be sitting under Melbourne on the ladder in two years.
Get used to the big bucks for the big players people, their expected wage won't drop, if we want a star at the club we must be willing to pay.
Melbourne are a rabble PNGQ Tiger. I understand your point but from where we are coming from and where we want to go Cloke is exactly the type of player who can detriment a club on the rebuild. Pass. As for the Dees they'll be lucky to be where we were last year given the veterans in their list the quality of other senior players and their younger players. Long way to go for them and they started their rebuild 2 years before us. :lol :rollin :lol
Doesn't take much for a turnaround, Cloke doing ok tonight.
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The question you should be asking PNGQ is was his performance tonight worth $30,000? (his current match payment) The answer is a resounding No!!!!!!!!!!!
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The question you should be asking PNGQ is was his performance tonight worth $30,000? (his current match payment) The answer is a resounding No!!!!!!!!!!!
Agree, did well early, but died off, we could now get him for 650,000k... :gotigers
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Only an idiot wouldn't want a player the calibre of Cloke in their forward line. Money the only issue.
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Only an idiot wouldn't want a player the calibre of Cloke in their forward line. Money the only issue.
Could of used part of Edwards pay check for Cloke, or does Edwards pay to play.. :whistle
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Would have been handy tonight.
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Would have been handy tonight.
stuffing oath....mate spot on.
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so would have ablett, goddard, richo, roach, lockett.......
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so would have ablett, goddard, richo, roach, lockett.......
Not last night Al. Old men now. Cooke is available.
Jack back to his form of 2010 would've been handy
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so would have ablett, goddard, richo, roach, lockett.......
Not last night Al. Old men now. Cooke is available.
Jack back to his form of 2010 would've been handy
Yep, we need him.
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Jay Schulz
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Jay Schulz
Agree, should never of bloody traded him, I actually liked him too Coach. Thought at one stage he was one of the best kicks in the comp.
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sheesh schulz is your classic glass half full type
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Was thinking we are missing a ted whitten.type
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sheesh schulz is your classic glass half full type
More in his glass at the moment than a few we have in the forward line.
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Was thinking we are missing a ted whitten.type
Would think most clubs are in that boat.
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A 5th club based in Victoria (not Hawthorn) is now interested apparently. The other 4 are Collingwood of course, Freo, Dogs and Melb.
Cloke wants more than $900k p.a. over a 5 year deal according to the Herald-Sun.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/pies-resist-cloke-bid-for-five-years-20120529-1zhdv.html
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Dons?
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How could Melbourne possibly fit CLoke and Clark in their salary cap and leave enough to keep the likes of Trengove, Grimes, Howe etc?
I reckon Carlton is the other club, They're dusting off the Visy payroll book as we speak.
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How could Melbourne possibly fit CLoke and Clark in their salary cap and leave enough to keep the likes of Trengove, Grimes, Howe etc?
I reckon Carlton is the other club, They're dusting off the Visy payroll book as we speak.
I agree with you TT, they desperately need THAT target up foward to dominate the game.
I hope they don't, fwiw I believe he'll stay
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How could Melbourne possibly fit CLoke and Clark in their salary cap and leave enough to keep the likes of Trengove, Grimes, Howe etc?
Easily
They will have plenty of spare cash when their current highest paids walk or are kicked out.... Jamar, Maloney, Green, Davey etc - plenty of spare change there ;D
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How could Melbourne possibly fit CLoke and Clark in their salary cap and leave enough to keep the likes of Trengove, Grimes, Howe etc?
I reckon Carlton is the other club, They're dusting off the Visy payroll book as we speak.
That's 5 good players. Any club can fit 5 good players on the payroll.
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Have a chat to his management team Tiges..
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Gut feel he won't move, unless he gets the proverbial offer you cant refuse.
They are doing the usual pretend to shop around, to either get an pay increase or maintain the current salary level over an extended length contract.
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Howe is not on much. Will be soon though ;D
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Howe is not on much. Will be soon though ;D
Is that the same Howe you didn't rate two years ago? You said something like he didn't have the tank or the smarts for AFL footy and would never make it in the big time :whistle Just saying......
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Howe is this on topic? ;D
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Howe is not on much. Will be soon though ;D
Is that the same Howe you didn't rate two years ago? You said something like he didn't have the tank or the smarts for AFL footy and would never make it in the big time :whistle Just saying......
thought I would read this one. No, I didn't say that. Always rated him. Didn't think he'd have the committment to play AFL and had good reason to think it as well. Now pull your head in, Jelly Belly Tiger.
He's done alright for himself
He was a wacko for us and still is for them, we should have drafted Jeremy Howe last year with the spot Sarge freed up, Howe is a gun :bow
Jem happens to be from my local club (Dodges). He makes Sarge's run at Richmond look consistent....schulzy is a lot better than Jem has ever been
Howey is a super talent though and good luck to him. He had the chance to train with Coburg last year but didnt want to...his season at Hobart was fairly good but he went missing at times. He's got a poo load of work to do if he wants to be a regular at AFL level. I am surprised he went at pick 33 :-\
and he's put the work in and is reaping the benefits. Well done howey.
TFT, you wonder why you're on a lot of people's ignore lists....You make up poo and do almost nothing but troll. Big Footy is the place for you.
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:-* :-* :-* :-* :thumbsup
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His price is dropping. Good.
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Travis Cloke would be massive.
2013, locked & loaded.
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Just heard SEN replay a snippet from Benny Gale talking about Travis Cloke ...
KB: Would someone like Travis be on the Richmond's radar?
Gale: The Fighting Tiger Fund was designed to give us the capacity to not only reward and retain existing players but to bring new players to the club. If our list management dept. thought Travis would be a good addition to our club and at the right price and within salary cap structure then we would look at it. There would be other players in the same boat of course.
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Oer, Daniel Harford also brought up the point that the number 33 has been rested for some time aand not in use. He was trying to elude to the fact they we were waiting for him to come down and waer his old mans number. Highly unlikey...
Tbh and fwiw want the club to make the right decision by firstly what we need but secondly by the existing core of players who are making something of this club. I have no doubt we can find great players to add to our club thru FA and OOC but it is crucial to not make any impact to the foundations we are laying we these kids now. Who have shown integrity, honesty and passion for the colours.
Cloke will sign with collingwood, that is my opinion.
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Oer, Daniel Harford also brought up the point that the number 33 has been rested for some time aand not in use.
I heard him say that too. Like you EEA I believe Cloke will stay at the Pies.
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Well played Benny. ;D
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Would prefer chasing a KP forward more around our core age group.
If we throw 900k at Cloke, think it could be far better spent on getting a Josh Kennedy back to Victoria. Or any other KP forward under 26 years of age - Hawkins, Hurley.
Unlikely getting them though.
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I believe he'll stay at Collingwood too. But I was reading today on BF in the Freo forum that in some paper that Melbourne are trying to get him for $1.1million and 6 years. If that even happened then they would be paying around 20% of their total salary cap on two players. Good luck holding their young players in a few years if that were the case. Anything can happen when Schwab holds the cheque book.
Personally, arguments of age and if his best is past him or not aside, I'd love to see Goddard at the Tigers. But, same for Cloke any one else, I don't like the idea of chucking massive dollars at players. I don't want any mercenaries at the club. Leave that to Melbourne.
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beat me too it dwaino, Id read somewhere too that he was offered 1.1 per year for 6 by melbourne, and that colonwoood had offered 700k pa for 4 years.
The trick to bidding in auctions is knowing when to sit back and laugh at the bozos paying over the odds.
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I'd love Melbourne to commit to Cloke for 6 years at $1.1million a season. Going down injured would be icing on the cake, but the precedent it sets for their young blokes would be gold. I imagine if they were stupid enough to actually go for it, it would mean that any of Green, Sylvia etc would be chopped. But good luck when blokes like Trengrove start demanding a higher salary. :rollin
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imagine the even greater hatrid between collingwood and richmond when we knock them off in a final with clokey #33 kicking 6 for the tiges.
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The double agent legacy is alive and well
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I believe he'll stay at Collingwood too. But I was reading today on BF in the Freo forum that in some paper that Melbourne are trying to get him for $1.1million and 6 years. If that even happened then they would be paying around 20% of their total salary cap on two players. Good luck holding their young players in a few years if that were the case. Anything can happen when Schwab holds the cheque book.
that had me laughing so hard i fell out of my chair, and yes i believe the dees would do that too!
Put goddard in anyday, although he will be dumb/ loyal enuf to sign with saints
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I believe he'll stay at Collingwood too. But I was reading today on BF in the Freo forum that in some paper that Melbourne are trying to get him for $1.1million and 6 years. If that even happened then they would be paying around 20% of their total salary cap on two players. Good luck holding their young players in a few years if that were the case. Anything can happen when Schwab holds the cheque book.
that had me laughing so hard i fell out of my chair, and yes i believe the dees would do that too!
Put goddard in anyday, although he will be dumb/ loyal enuf to sign with saints
Peter Moore and Kelvin Templeton anyone.
With Barassi as coach.
When will they learn. :lol :rollin :lol
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Would prefer chasing a KP forward more around our core age group.
If we throw 900k at Cloke, think it could be far better spent on getting a Josh Kennedy back to Victoria. Or any other KP forward under 26 years of age - Hawkins, Hurley.
Unlikely getting them though.
Kennedy is a sandgroper
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He's shizen and we don't need him.
Would pay him 600k a year max. Any more and he can get suffed. He's too old now anyway.
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Lol wtf. The rat was in the middle of talking about Cloke and Freo on he footy show... Then was cut out by an ad break
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He's shizen and we don't need him.
Would pay him 600k a year max. Any more and he can get suffed. He's too old now anyway.
ditto
one great year and a good one last year. Back to the usual Cloke this year.
His overated
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Lol wtf. The rat was in the middle of talking about Cloke and Freo on he footy show... Then was cut out by an ad break
Yeah saw that, they came on quickly to apologise
Brayshaw said freo have now upped the offer to cloke, according to ratboy
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They're offering 5 years too aren't they?
So it's:
5 years @ Melbourne ~$1million a season = lose every week
5 years @ Fremantle ~$1million a season = kick 4 goals a fortnight
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They're offering 5 years too aren't they?
So it's:
5 years @ Melbourne ~$1million a season = lose every week
5 years @ Fremantle ~$1million a season = kick 4 goals a fortnight
At least at Freo they'll win at home and every two weeks he'll get abused away. No different than the fans at Collingwood it seems. He's overrated at Collingwood and will be even more so at Freo. Can't see why he can't go west. :thumbsup
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They're offering 5 years too aren't they?
So it's:
5 years @ Melbourne ~$1million a season = lose every week
5 years @ Fremantle ~$1million a season = kick 4 goals a fortnight
At least at Freo they'll win at home and every two weeks he'll get abused away. No different than the fans at Collingwood it seems. He's overrated at Collingwood and will be even more so at Freo. Can't see why he can't go west. :thumbsup
Freo can't seem to go east though... ho ho ho :rollin
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They're offering 5 years too aren't they?
So it's:
5 years @ Melbourne ~$1million a season = lose every week
5 years @ Fremantle ~$1million a season = kick 4 goals a fortnight
Would rather be a hobo and eating other peoples toenails than play for Melbourne.
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David Cloke, who played 114 games for Collingwood and 219 for Richmond, refused to comment when questioned about the possible interest of the Tigers in acquiring the services of his powerful offspring.
All the way along the only comment I have made … is: (A) we’re talking with Collingwood about his contract, and (B) we’ve never at any stage had an offer from Western Sydney.
All the other bits and pieces I’ve said no comment to.
Moments earlier on the same station, Richmond CEO Brendon Gale indicated Cloke may be on the radar at Punt Road Oval.
"The fighting Tiger fund was about giving us the capacity not just to reward and retain our existing players but to secure new players, to build the depth of our list.
"And I’m sure that if our list management department formed the view that Travis could add value to our club, at the right price and it was consistent with the salary cap structure we have in place I’m sure we’d have a look at it."
Gale said that five-year deals were a matter of "horses for courses", admitting they involved a "a bit of guesswork" as well as knowing they capabilities of the player in question.
http://www.barossaherald.com.au/news/national/national/sport/clokes-open-on-fiveyear-deal/2583366.aspx
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Asked specifically about Collingwood free agent Cloke on radio yesterday, Tigers chief executive Brendon Gale said, if he added value to the club, the list management group would have a look at it.
But club insiders do not believe Cloke will leave Collingwood, and will not make contact with his management despite him sharing representation with Dustin Martin.
Herald-Sun link (http://www.news.com.au/news/richmond-kitty-very-healthy/story-fndv8t7m-1226388114705)
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Moments earlier on the same station, Richmond CEO Brendon Gale indicated Cloke may be on the radar at Punt Road Oval.
"The fighting Tiger fund was about giving us the capacity not just to reward and retain our existing players but to secure new players, to build the depth of our list.
"And I’m sure that if our list management department formed the view that Travis could add value to our club, at the right price and it was consistent with the salary cap structure we have in place I’m sure we’d have a look at it."
He did nothing of the sort you lying tossbag. And they wonder why journo's are held in the same high esteem as politicians. :wallywink :banghead
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Don't want Cloke besides Collingwood are in the front runnung to retain his services
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wtf is this poo name from a treacherous family with that pedo moustache wearing deluded wanna be bidness guru even being entertained on a Richmond forum? I just cannot believe it. Him and his spawn are peanut ridden stools bobbing round the sewer that is Collingwood and it is quite fitting inmho.
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Did Travis support Richmond or Collingwood as a kid?
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Did Travis support Richmond or Collingwood as a kid?
Trav didnt know his left from his right as a kid and you expect him to have chosen a footy team?
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Did Travis support Richmond or Collingwood as a kid?
Trav didnt know his left from his right as a kid and you expect him to have chosen a footy team?
Hahahahaha :D
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wtf is this poo name from a treacherous family with that pedo moustache wearing deluded wanna be bidness guru even being entertained on a Richmond forum? I just cannot believe it. Him and his spawn are peanut ridden stools bobbing round the sewer that is Collingwood and it is quite fitting inmho.
This :thumbsup ^^^^^^
i was at a practice game a few years back between Rich and Coll and Cloke and another magpie supporter were almost coming to blows.. was funny, but wowee are the cloke's a fitting member of the magpie clan or what..
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The Bulldogs have ruled themselves out of the race for Travis Cloke, saying the star uncontracted Collingwood forward is out of their price range.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/138678/default.aspx
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The Bulldogs have ruled themselves out of the race for Travis Cloke, saying the star uncontracted Collingwood forward is out of their price range.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/138678/default.aspx
I'd rather play for a diamond valley team than footscray.
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wtf is this poo name from a treacherous family with that pedo moustache wearing deluded wanna be bidness guru even being entertained on a Richmond forum? I just cannot believe it. Him and his spawn are peanut ridden stools bobbing round the sewer that is Collingwood and it is quite fitting inmho.
This :thumbsup ^^^^^^
i was at a practice game a few years back between Rich and Coll and Cloke and another magpie supporter were almost coming to blows.. was funny, but wowee are the cloke's a fitting member of the magpie clan or what..
that was at princess park iirc lol
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Relton had a good game
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Get Cloke......
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Get Relton. Always been a massive fan of the Barunga burrito :clapping
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Get Cloke, Merritt and and another mid....
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Get Relton. Always been a massive fan of the Barunga burrito :clapping
Aue bruz.
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wtf is this poo name from a treacherous family with that pedo moustache wearing deluded wanna be bidness guru even being entertained on a Richmond forum? I just cannot believe it. Him and his spawn are peanut ridden stools bobbing round the sewer that is Collingwood and it is quite fitting inmho.
This :thumbsup ^^^^^^
i was at a practice game a few years back between Rich and Coll and Cloke and another magpie supporter were almost coming to blows.. was funny, but wowee are the cloke's a fitting member of the magpie clan or what..
that was at princess park iirc lol
Was that the day cloke squealed that kingy gave him one at the bottom of the pack? That was classic, and Cloke was lucky he didn't take it further with that bloke... :thumbsup that bloke is a maggies supporter but family with kingy and was sticking up for the little bantom yard rooster
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Get over the family, get over David Cloke leaving the Tigers, just get over it!
If we can get him at a decent price we need to try, with him, Riewoldt, Vickery(when he is on), crumbers like Edwards, Nahas and King.....we will have the best forward line in the comp, the best midfield and with one more made back.....WHOA.....Look out!!!!
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Get over the family, get over David Cloke leaving the Tigers, just get over it!
Nup.
Old man is a rubbish bloke who thinks the world owes him everything.
And the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
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I wonder why the Cloke boys get bashed when they go out. :shh
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Get over the family, get over David Cloke leaving the Tigers, just get over it!
If we can get him at a decent price we need to try, with him, Riewoldt, Vickery(when he is on), crumbers like Edwards, Nahas and King.....we will have the best forward line in the comp, the best midfield and with one more made back.....WHOA.....Look out!!!!
Not worth the pricetag PNGQ.
Look at it this way its like someone is putting a pricetag of $20000 on an EA Falcon and that person putting the pricetag knows you have every model Falcon bar that one since 1961.
Moral to the story is this. The EA Falcon was seen as progressive for its time has not stood the test of time and has not aged because they are no longer on the roads and have been seen as one of the worst ford falcon models ever produced.
To draw that comparison with Cloke. Yes we may be seen as active and aggressive but the flaws that exist with this guy and the baggage that come along with it will only hinder the finances of this club which has worked hard in the last few years to reduce its 6 million dollar debt. Furthermore the irony of paying overs for him when his old man left the club and the club were dumb enough to go into a bidding war 30 years earlier will show that the club have not learnt from the past and are still making terrible mistakes in the boardroom.
Ultimately it really does not matter if you don't have the EA so long as you have an XA 351 or an XA hardtop Superbird or an XB 302 hardtop John Goss Special which is our Lids, Cotch and Dusty. :thumbsup
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I wonder why the Cloke boys get bashed when they go out. :shh
I wonder why they got their house shot at a few years back
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I seriously will take up ping pong and darts and follow Collingwood if this guy gets here he will kill my only true love the RFC
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Get over the family, get over David Cloke leaving the Tigers, just get over it!
Nup.
Old man is a rubbish bloke who thinks the world owes him everything.
And the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
Yep so when Travis pays he gives a poo.....crap, he plays for te team and ats what we want....
Get over it!!!
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Get over the family, get over David Cloke leaving the Tigers, just get over it!
Nup.
Old man is a rubbish bloke who thinks the world owes him everything.
And the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
Yep so when Travis pays he gives a poo.....crap, he plays for te team and ats what we want....
Get over it!!!
Can imagine his old mans list of demand if he came to our club. Travis deserves this Travis deserves that. Travis wants to be captain next year, Travis gets to run through the banner first..... :clapping
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Get over the family, get over David Cloke leaving the Tigers, just get over it!
Nup.
Old man is a rubbish bloke who thinks the world owes him everything.
And the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
Yep so when Travis pays he gives a poo.....crap, he plays for te team and ats what we want....
Get over it!!!
Can imagine his old mans list of demand if he came to our club. Travis deserves this Travis deserves that. Travis wants to be captain next year, Travis gets to run through the banner first..... :clapping
Think your over exaggerating a bit D......but he will stay at te Pies anyway I think.
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And they are welcome to him :gotigers
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Watching the 80 grandfinal on channel 7 footy flashbacks
Peter Landy ... 5 goals from David cloke Lou, he couldve kicked alot more, from memory he's missed 3 from the 10 metre square....
:lol
That was exacltly what you got from David Cloke. :thumbsup
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As has been all over the news today, Pies players have been warned not to chase big bucks as they'll get squeezed out. Brownless made a good analogy on MMM this arvo. He said it may come down to musical chairs - 7 blokes and only 5 chairs. Cloke and Beams I imagine will re-sign. But Beams value has gone up and from what I have heard, Collingwood don't want to pay him his market value which would be $450-500k. Still only 21. Any takers? Another one is Reid. He's another handy one.
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Is take beams- goal kicking mid
But he will resign as will cloke, somehow it will all sort it self out- just watch
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Yeah I agree. They'll all re-sign unless any of them think they won't get a game if there was a fit 22.
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Harry O will be the one left high and dry.......watch this space.
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Who cares about that overrated golliwog
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Who cares about that overrated golliwog
Well said. I'd take Beams or Reid.
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Harry lmaO what a sh!ttruck
Beams most definitely, wont happen though...
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He could get a gig in a new Predator film.
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Who cares about that overrated golliwog
Well said. I'd take Beams or and Reid.
Edit for accuracy.
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I seriously will take up ping pong and darts
You been to that bar in Phuket too?
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Who cares about that overrated golliwog
Well said. I'd take Beams or and Reid.
Edit for accuracy.
:thumbsup
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What about Wild Night Wellingham?
Massive, massive upgrade on Nahas
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/18/TheLeagueOfGentlemen-PapaLazarou.jpg/300px-TheLeagueOfGentlemen-PapaLazarou.jpg)
You wanna buy some pegs Dave?
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What about Wild Night Wellingham?
Massive, massive upgrade on Nahas
He can tag.
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What about Wild Night Wellingham?
Massive, massive upgrade on Nahas
He can tag.
can also play in an offensive role through the middle
or as a HFF
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What about Wild Night Wellingham?
Massive, massive upgrade on Nahas
He can tag.
can also play in an offensive role through the middle
or as a HFF
Would be great pickup.
Honestly I can't see any of these guys being available,
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Cloke on the Footy Show says he hasn't signed yet despite the rumours.
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il hand it to Gaddy Lyon he put on a great interview, not like that rubbish Tara Moss/Hackett Interview.
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Just watched that. Glad he isn't playing for our club. I felt no re-assurances to Collingwood supporters then at all.
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What about Wild Night Wellingham?
Massive, massive upgrade on Nahas
He can tag.
can also play in an offensive role through the middle
or as a HFF
Would be great pickup.
Honestly I can't see any of these guys being available,
Would absolutely love to get Wellingham. Would add alot to the team. Perfect age group.
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Just watched that. Glad he isn't playing for our club. I felt no re-assurances to Collingwood supporters then at all.
It's like an auction highest bid wins for Trav.
If Collingwood offer him whatever and club X offers one dollar more he's off.
Premierships, on field stability, success, structures, facilities, history, loyalty to one club, integrity and reputation equate to zero when money is dangled in front of him.
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Hope it keeps dragging on
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Hope it keeps dragging on
Just look at the last two years.
Geelong with Ablett and Bomber.
Collingwood with the Mick and Bucks saga.
The more it drags on unresolved the more it will influence the on field performance of the team and whilst I feel the aura of Collingwood isn't that of last year prior to August it will only take one or two losses to turn the team's fortunes around given there are five players still to sign.
The speculation will destroy the club's fortunes if these issues linger even if the month of September doesn't do the trick. ;D
One can only hope. :thumbsup
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They seem to be traveling ok atm wost luck.
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Would rather groom some combination of elton griffiths astbury vickery to play along jack.
Would rather focus on a big fish to replace one of king/nahas or a decent mid ahead of jackson.
Travs old man twit too.
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I'm not sure I agree there Tucker - this is pretty typical behaviour from Cloke and I'd be 90% sure that he will re-sign and even surer that the club is expecting him to re-sign.
The same thing happened in 2010.
There are always players that come out of contract, the media decide whether it's newsworthy - we can pick out any club and scrutinise but for we don't have 500k reading our blogs so it doesn't have the same ripple
Collingwood have won their last 9 games with plenty of injured players to come back.
The issues between the coach and daisy/shaw have been resolved - coach 1, players 0.
IMV, They should be evens for the flag but I hope you are right :cheers
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I'm not sure I agree there Tucker - this is pretty typical behaviour from Cloke and I'd be 90% sure that he will re-sign and even surer that the club is expecting him to re-sign.
The same thing happened in 2010.
There are always players that come out of contract, the media decide whether it's newsworthy - we can pick out any club and scrutinise but for we don't have 500k reading our blogs so it doesn't have the same ripple
Collingwood have won their last 9 games with plenty of injured players to come back.
The issues between the coach and daisy/shaw have been resolved - coach 1, players 0.
IMV, They should be evens for the flag but I hope you are right :cheers
Agree with this post.
If I was a betting man I'd put $50 on them to win flag I'm that cetain they'll do it.
I also think that Trav may have already signed and they are waiting to do an announcement alonside tehir 75k membership mark. He also played well last week which might suggest he is not as distracted.
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Would rather groom some combination of elton griffiths astbury vickery to play along jack.
Heaven forbid hat if Jack gets injured??
Cloke at CHF allows those guys to develop properly.
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What about Wild Night Wellingham?
Massive, massive upgrade on Nahas
He can tag.
can also play in an offensive role through the middle
or as a HFF
Would be great pickup.
Honestly I can't see any of these guys being available,
Would absolutely love to get Wellingham. Would add alot to the team. Perfect age group.
i'd actually go after Beams or Sidebottem.. These are the 2 players that aren't going to get what they're worth and could be ripe for the picking
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Would rather groom some combination of elton griffiths astbury vickery to play along jack.
Would rather focus on a big fish to replace one of king/nahas or a decent mid ahead of jackson.
Travs old man twit too.
:clapping well said.
Would rather nab a mid or even Ben Reid. Reid would probably complete our back 6 and enable the best 1 or 2 of the 4 existing KPP siZed players you mentioned to shift into a permanent forward role.
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What about Wild Night Wellingham?
Massive, massive upgrade on Nahas
He can tag.
can also play in an offensive role through the middle
or as a HFF
Would be great pickup.
Honestly I can't see any of these guys being available,
Would absolutely love to get Wellingham. Would add alot to the team. Perfect age group.
i'd actually go after Beams or Sidebottem.. These are the 2 players that aren't going to get what they're worth and could be ripe for the picking
BeMs and tin arse would be very high on their to do list, more chance of getting a wellingham type who is middle of the road in their rating s compared to beams and tin arse who are top 10 there easy
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A comment from Robbo's live blog today ...
Comment From Matt
"Richmond had a meeting with travis cloke last tuesday and his management."
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A comment from Robbo's live blog today ...
Comment From Matt
"Richmond had a meeting with travis cloke last tuesday and his management."
Chinese whispers
"Someone from Richmond had a meat pie, a twix and a can of coke last tuesday for lunch"
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A comment from Robbo's live blog today ...
Comment From Matt
"Richmond had a meeting with travis cloke last tuesday and his management."
tell em their dreamin..now a nice parcel of
Trav and Mick to the blooze has a nice ring
to it.
Mr Ed's head would explode. :lol :thumbsup :shh
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Why would we draft him. He's crap!
He's only capable of kicking 1,2 or 3 goals a game.
Huge waste of FTF $$$ !!!!
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A comment from Robbo's live blog today ...
Comment From Matt
"Richmond had a meeting with travis cloke last tuesday and his management."
Chinese whispers
"Someone from Richmond had a meat pie, a twix and a can of coke last tuesday for lunch"
That was me
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why wouldnt we contribute to collingwood using more of their TPP to secure him...eh'll re sign but sheesh it'll cost'em :lol
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Distasteful post Mrakov
You might need to sit a few out
A comment from Robbo's live blog today ...
Comment From Matt
"Richmond had a meeting with travis cloke last tuesday and his management."
Chinese whispers
"Someone from Richmond had a meat pie, a twix and a can of coke last tuesday for lunch"
That was me
Could have given me half your twix you fat selfish prick
Happy with mediocrity, this is the poo i'm talking about
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A comment from Robbo's live blog today ...
Comment From Matt
"Richmond had a meeting with travis cloke last tuesday and his management."
Hope there's some truth to it. We'd be mad not to seriously explore the option.
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Distasteful post Mrakov
You might need to sit a few out
A comment from Robbo's live blog today ...
Comment From Matt
"Richmond had a meeting with travis cloke last tuesday and his management."
Chinese whispers
"Someone from Richmond had a meat pie, a twix and a can of coke last tuesday for lunch"
That was me
Could have given me half your twix you fat selfish prick
Happy with mediocrity, this is the poo i'm talking about
Why give you something I paid for? I love Twix. My favourite.
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Would rather he went to Blooze. Get Mick while they are at it. Ed will declare war on Carlton and the 2 clubs can destroy one another to extinction. :pray
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A comment from Robbo's live blog today ...
Comment From Matt
"Richmond had a meeting with travis cloke last tuesday and his management."
Hope there's some truth to it. We'd be mad not to seriously explore the option.
Ah.....yes, let's hope!!
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A comment from Robbo's live blog today ...
Comment From Matt
"Richmond had a meeting with travis cloke last tuesday and his management."
Hope there's some truth to it. We'd be mad not to seriously explore the option.
Ah.....yes, let's hope!!
There will be no excuses if we miss signing him?
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Distasteful post Mrakov
You might need to sit a few out
3 weeks with early guilty plea?
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A comment from Robbo's live blog today ...
Comment From Matt
"Richmond had a meeting with travis cloke last tuesday and his management."
Hope there's some truth to it. We'd be mad not to seriously explore the option.
That was on the PRE rumour board
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A comment from Robbo's live blog today ...
Comment From Matt
"Richmond had a meeting with travis cloke last tuesday and his management."
Hope there's some truth to it. We'd be mad not to seriously explore the option.
Ah.....yes, let's hope!!
There will be no excuses if we miss signing him?
Missing the point again.....there will be no excuses if we don't bother at least talking to him!
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Distasteful post Mrakov
You might need to sit a few out
3 weeks with early guilty plea?
Is that a challenge? Reprimand and you have to pay OER's pharmaceutical bills
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Distasteful post Mrakov
You might need to sit a few out
3 weeks with early guilty plea?
Is that a challenge? Reprimand and you have to pay OER's pharmaceutical bills
Don't have that much $$$ :D
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Would rather he went to Blooze. Get Mick while they are at it. Ed will declare war on Carlton and the 2 clubs can destroy one another to extinction. :pray
Yes please do...
Imagine judd running around for the pies at age 33 hahahahaha, eddie would be licking his own pork chops hahaha
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On the Couch just said that Cloke's management is currently in with Collingwood board.
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On the Couch just said that Cloke's management is currently in with Collingwood board.
good
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On the Couch just said that Cloke's management is currently in with Collingwood board.
Telling them he's off to Tigerland.
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Too old, not good enough, dud family, wants too much $$$.
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get the whole brood back on board and
get their hobby farm down on PRO for the kiddies. :birthday
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Jason Cloke is better
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Should we be making a big play for Cloke??
Is he what we need with Jack?
Yeh I'd go hard at Cameron. Big body in the forward line. Will take some attention away from Jack. He's played for every other club other than Richmond and we are the least successful club since he debuted. Think about it. It's the missing piece.
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Too old, not good enough, dud family, wants too much $$$.
x2
overated
who wants to be associated with the Dokic family anyway
pass
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Too old, not good enough, dud family, wants too much $$$.
x2
overated
who wants to be associated with the Dokic family anyway
pass
x3 - would also add, he can't kick for peanuts. Eff him and his traitorous brood.
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Should we be making a big play for Cloke??
Is he what we need with Jack?
Yeh I'd go hard at Cameron. Big body in the forward line. Will take some attention away from Jack. He's played for every other club other than Richmond and we are the least successful club since he debuted. Think about it. It's the missing piece.
Well Jack is kicking like Dawes at the moment so why not! ;D
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Dees have offered $5m over 5 years
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Dees have offered $5m over 5 years
Lol hope they get him.
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Dees can pay over 20% of their cap in two players. We'll just swoop on Trengove or something.
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Blues and Freo offered the same
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Should we be making a big play for Cloke??
Is he what we need with Jack?
Yeh I'd go hard at Cameron. Big body in the forward line. Will take some attention away from Jack. Think about it. It's the missing piece.
Jeremy Cameron? Absolutely.
Get it done. Out of contract.
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Should we be making a big play for Cloke??
Is he what we need with Jack?
Yeh I'd go hard at Cameron. Big body in the forward line. Will take some attention away from Jack. Think about it. It's the missing piece.
Jeremy Cameron? Absolutely.
Get it done. Out of contract.
Nah don't rate him. Cameron Cloke. Hasn't been given the right opportunities. Got the kick up the arse he needed and he's ready to go.
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i want cloke at punt rd but i cant stand the oldman
let the blues have him
reunite him with scotland
:cheers
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Damir and Julie most welcome. :cheers
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BT tonight on 3aw said Cloke and Collingwood are now the furthest apart they have been in their negotiations and that the Tigers are one of the clubs in the running.
Also Melbourne have offered Cloke $7m over 7 years to join them :o
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Also Melbourne have offered Cloke $7m over 7 years to join them :o
LOL!!!
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Got to hand it to the Dees .despite having two and a dingbat supporting them,and less of financial base than the wicheproof thirds,they are out there going for everyone of quality.Last year they snared that peanut from brisbane and neil craig from Adelaide and now they are making a big play for cloke.....Good stuff dees ,wish we did similar
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BT tonight on 3aw said Cloke and Collingwood are now the furthest apart they have been in their negotiations and that the Tigers are one of the clubs in the running.
I hope BT's mail is correct. We haven't denied it that's for sure.
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BT tonight on 3aw said Cloke and Collingwood are now the furthest apart they have been in their negotiations and that the Tigers are one of the clubs in the running.
I hope BT's mail is correct. We haven't denied it that's for sure.
Yeah. I really wouldn't mind if we got him, but as long as the club isn't stupid about it. Collingwood were reportedly offering $800k over 4 for him weren't they? I'd be filthy if we offered more, and since he's walking from that offer, that's what has me worried.
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7 year contract :lol is Cloke the #1 pick in the NFL draft :lol
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BT tonight on 3aw said Cloke and Collingwood are now the furthest apart they have been in their negotiations and that the Tigers are one of the clubs in the running.
Also Melbourne have offered Cloke $7m over 7 years to join them :o
I doubt very much we are in the running, honestly...
Melbourne eh OE?? I reckon they offered 7mil for 7 yrs PLUS a ski jacket made of Gary Lyons backhair. Triple stiched
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I doubt very much we are in the running, honestly...
Why not?
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Give him 700k a season. Couple of brown paper bags handed to him under the desk as well and we'll be sweet.
Come home Clokey
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I doubt very much we are in the running, honestly...
Why not?
I'm sure entirely, I'm just not convinced the club will spend that money on him.
I have faith that the club will be more bullish about its recruiting this year but is there better options available for spending money??
How do players like lids, dusty feel about being loyal and taking less money and this prick wants two player salries for not kicking straight.
Plus jack is already a sook imagine someone taking the spotlight away from him...
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But imagine how well drilled our forward line would be with two blokes pointing at everyone else to man up when they kick points :shh
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But imagine how well drilled our forward line would be with two blokes pointing at everyone else to man up when they kick points :shh
LMAO imagine jack in one pocket and cloke in the other both pointing at evryone, barking instructions. Just need to get heath shaw for the backlin so he can point and yell on the other side of the ground... Then again morro would rip his head off after the first time
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What if Cloke pointed at Jack telling him to man up?
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But imagine how well drilled our forward line would be with two blokes pointing at everyone else to man up when they kick points :shh
That's funny. ;D ;D ;D
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Give him 700k a season. Couple of brown paper bags handed to him under the desk as well and we'll be sweet.
Come home Clokey
Agree. Everyone thought we were a rabble all these years but we were being very cunning. Letting the Pies develop him for us to take him for free. :lol
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What if Cloke pointed at Jack telling him to man up?
Would end up in an infinite loop. Poor coding.
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But imagine how well drilled our forward line would be with two blokes pointing at everyone else to man up when they kick points :shh
:lol :clapping
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BT tonight on 3aw said Cloke and Collingwood are now the furthest apart they have been in their negotiations and that the Tigers are one of the clubs in the running.
Also Melbourne have offered Cloke $7m over 7 years to join them :o
Looool they're idiots.
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Let's develop Elton I don't like gold diggers it runs deep in the joke familigia
Beware of cloke baring gifts
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You can buy Cloke on ebay for $1m :lol
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Travis-Cloke-AFL-Premiership-Player-/190705703403?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item2c66f219eb
Travis Cloke AFL Premiership Player
Item condition: Used
Time left: 7d 03h (31 Jul, 201215:56:33 AEST)
AU $1,000,000.00
Postage: Local Pickup
Item location: Collingwood, Australia
Posts to: Australia
Item specifics
Condition:
Used: An item that has been used previously. See the seller’s listing for full details and description of any imperfections.
In need of a new home, 2010 premiership player, can mark suspect kicking
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word out in twittersphere
Blooze are more than accomodating.
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Seems that there are a few people out there saying that Cloke is goneski. Not happy with clauses in his contract.
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Go have a talk Tigers, just a chat!!!!
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Go have a talk Tigers, just a chat!!!!
They already have apparently.
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Seems that there are a few people out there saying that Cloke is goneski. Not happy with clauses in his contract.
What the one about him needing to understand it's a team sport and he is just one player in the said team so therefore not solely about him and his family
Or the one that says he Damir is banned from attending training ;D
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Go have a talk Tigers, just a chat!!!!
They already have apparently.
Well thats good then, be interesting to see if anything eventuates or he goes West..
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Go have a talk Tigers, just a chat!!!!
They already have apparently.
Well thats good then, be interesting to see if anything eventuates or he goes West..
Don't think we can match Freo or Melgone's offers.. Or at least we aren't stupid enough to.
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Carlton will end up getting him, somehow fitting into their 'salary cap' with the likes of Judd, Murphy, Gibbs, Kreuzer.
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Go have a talk Tigers, just a chat!!!!
They already have apparently.
Well thats good then, be interesting to see if anything eventuates or he goes West..
Don't think we can match Freo or Melgone's offers.. Or at least we aren't stupid enough to.
No chance he goes to Freo. He hates flying. Mike Sheahan (Melb supporter) said he wouldn't accept 1.1mill per year over 20 years to play for the Dees. :lol
Carlton supposively need AFL to allow them to extend the old Visy deal to Judd. Which better not happen.
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stuff cloke and his fam
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Go have a talk Tigers, just a chat!!!!
They already have apparently.
Well thats good then, be interesting to see if anything eventuates or he goes West..
Don't think we can match Freo or Melgone's offers.. Or at least we aren't stupid enough to.
No chance he goes to Freo. He hates flying. Mike Sheahan (Melb supporter) said he wouldn't accept 1.1mill per year over 20 years to play for the Dees. :lol
Carlton supposively need AFL to allow them to extend the old Visy deal to Judd. Which better not happen.
I have the feeling not only extend it, but increase the amount on the Visy deal and decrease the amount through their salary cap therefore making room for Cloke who will also get a Visy deal lol. Sounds about right with a brown paper bag under the table for AD.
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Triple M just reported that Collingwood have put Cloke contract talks on hold :wallywink
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mick and trav band back
on the road again. :thumbsup
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Triple M just reported that Collingwood have put Cloke contract talks on hold :wallywink
Yep on hold until the end of the season :whistle
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/travis-cloke-contract-talks-off-until-end-of-season/story-e6frf9jf-1226434064134
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Triple M just reported that Collingwood have put Cloke contract talks on hold :wallywink
Time to strike.
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Looks like we are now going to join in the chase ...
Easy, Tiger: Cloke on hold
Jake Niall and Jon Pierik
The Age
July 25, 2012
RICHMOND says it would be ''duty-bound'' to consider Travis Cloke as a recruit but only if his situation with Collingwood became ''irreparable'' after the Magpies put contractual talks with the power forward on hold until the end of the season.
The Tigers echoed Carlton's ''unlikely'' stance - that they believed Cloke would stay with the Magpies. They have not made Cloke any offer.
Richmond football department head, Craig Cameron, said of Cloke, whose father David played more than 200 games for the Tigers: ''Our understanding has always been that he would remain at Collingwood. But if that situation becomes irreparable, we're duty-bound to look at any way to improve our list.''
But the Tigers are unlikely to be in a position to offer Cloke the kind of terms that Fremantle are thought to have dangled (ie. $5m over 5 years).
The decision to put talks on hold arguably opens the door further for rival clubs, although many in the industry still believe he will remain a Magpie.
Cloke had wanted between $750,000 and $800,000 to remain a Magpie in a five-year deal.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/easy-tiger-cloke-on-hold-20120724-22nk4.html#ixzz21YNPU0Ox
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Triple M just reported that Collingwood have put Cloke contract talks on hold :wallywink
Time to strike.
Going to carlton with Mick is the mail.
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Triple M just reported that Collingwood have put Cloke contract talks on hold :wallywink
Time to strike.
Going to carlton with Mick is the mail.
I won't believe it until Jack tells us.
;D
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why does this name keep befouling my computer screen, I keep putting liquid paper over it and then it comes up again!
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why does this name keep befowling my computer screen, I keep putting liquid paper over it and then it comes up again!
:lol
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Triple M just reported that Collingwood have put Cloke contract talks on hold :wallywink
Time to strike.
Going to carlton with Mick is the mail.
Wait and see I guess. Not sure that the Blues have the money for that.
On top of rumoured financial problems already, they would to pay out Ratten if Malthouse is coming for a start. Then Judd needs to be re-signed and have just tied up the likes of Gibbs and Kreuzer.
Unless it's more brown (visy) bags under the table, I think they'd have more trouble affording him than us.
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Triple M just reported that Collingwood have put Cloke contract talks on hold :wallywink
Time to strike.
Going to carlton with Mick is the mail.
Wait and see I guess. Not sure that the Blues have the money for that.
On top of rumoured financial problems already, they would to pay out Ratten if Malthouse is coming for a start. Then Judd needs to be re-signed and have just tied up the likes of Gibbs and Kreuzer.
Unless it's more brown (visy) bags under the table, I think they'd have more trouble affording him than us.
It's not so much the money Mr M but the length of the contract that is the sticking point. Carlton will trade out a big name to make space in the cap.
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Carlton can't afford him.
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Obvious bias here, but this morning on Triple M, Eddie said he asked Gary March this morning and Gary said we would prefer to develop our own.
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Obvious bias here, but this morning on Triple M, Eddie said he asked Gary March this morning and Gary said we would prefer to develop our own.
Gary lying to Eddie? Eddie's head will explode if he finds out we lied. ;D
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Craig Cameron just spoke to KB on SEN and said Richmond will be making a move, but treading very carefully, acting through Ralph Carr rather than thru David and travis. Said Richmond have the funds but it would prove 'challenging' to complete such a deal and maintain the group of young players we are developing.
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Cloke is a handy player without being a star, would fit in perfectly.
However I don't want the club to pay overs for him. He isn't setting the world on fire in a good Collingwood side with Dawes and a 3rd tall down there most of the time allowing him to be 1 on 1 most contests. He also has an ordinary set shot for goal efficiency.
I'm all up for getting Cloke but not for what he is demanding $1m a year for 5 years. No chance. If we have $5mil to spend, would think there are better options than Cloke.
Would happy to see him in an RFC jumper but at a affordable price.
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Shane Edwards is a handy player. Travis Cloke is one of the best key forwards in the comp and the best mark in the comp.
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Shane Edwards is a handy player. Travis Cloke is one of the best key forwards in the comp and the best mark in the comp.
and he can't kick
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70.48 last season suggests otherwise
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i hope we get cloke.
i'd just love the cloke contract circus at punt rd in a few years time.
It is truly riveting stuff watching a mercenary scum father son partnership try to screw over their current club.
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smells like danger
after what weve been through for the last 30 yrs, all we need is to sign him up on a big contract and either one of the following:
a: does not regain his good form and we continue to be the laughing stock of the afl, but even worse cos we paid overs
b: does not regain his good form and we lose good players due to overpaying for him and a guest house for his dad and continue to rebuild albeit with less money
c: he does regain his good form but we still may lose out on good players we already have or the ability to recruit more great players
I'll support the club in their decision, however if my hard earned that Ive put into mbrships, mrc, ftf, apparel and merch go up against wind in a half baked plan it will be the last time. :yep
Any future moves must be in line with the excellent foundations that have already been laid.
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At the end of the day we have FA decent players we could loose! Aside from Cotch, Lids, Dusty and Jack there is no one I wouldn't be disappointed in seeing go. Sign him up or 4 years and by then we will know where our youngens are at anyway. I would be very confident we could fit him in if we needed to.
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I'm confident that in the off chance we did snag Cloke, it wouldn't have been done in a stupid way. After the way we dealt with the mumbles Craig issue last time I am positive that is the way the RFC now conducts its business.
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I would sign Cotchin, Riewoldt and Martin first before I would even consider Cloke!
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the journos cant help themselves the word
out on the town is that the tiggers and clokes
are hooking up once again just like the good ol
days. :gobdrop
cloke and tiggers will read the headlines.
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There's more to come with this story
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Yes there is
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hes exactly what we need up forward dont think anyone would argue with that.
hes 26 in march so we would in effect be drafting a 26 yo for 2o13.
the money side of it i have no issue with damn good players demand big bucks hes a damned good kpf and they dont grow on trees.
what i have issue with is the cost in draft picks. i have always been a believer in staying in the early part of the draft first two or three rounds. i believe atm one player wont do a lot for our depth and we have too many we need to turn over atm. how do we get cloke without selling our future. we are nowhere near a premiership and its not as if cloke would be the final expensive piece in the puzzle ala ball and jolly at collingwood.
would be nice to get him and find a way to stay in the draft at the same time.
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hes exactly what we need up forward dont think anyone would argue with that.
hes 26 in march so we would in effect be drafting a 26 yo for 2o13.
the money side of it i have no issue with damn good players demand big bucks hes a damned good kpf and they dont grow on trees.
what i have issue with is the cost in draft picks. i have always been a believer in staying in the early part of the draft first two or three rounds. i believe atm one player wont do a lot for our depth and we have too many we need to turn over atm. how do we get cloke without selling our future. we are nowhere near a premiership and its not as if cloke would be the final expensive piece in the puzzle ala ball and jolly at collingwood.
would be nice to get him and find a way to stay in the draft at the same time.
We don't need to trade, he's a free agent.
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The media seems to be all over us in the race for Cloke. Up until tonight I would have said 0 chance. Not so sure now.'
Make it happen Tigers if possible...
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hes exactly what we need up forward dont think anyone would argue with that.
hes 26 in march so we would in effect be drafting a 26 yo for 2o13.
the money side of it i have no issue with damn good players demand big bucks hes a damned good kpf and they dont grow on trees.
Free agent.
But of course he won't come for free, far from it.
So long as we can afford it, we should do it in a heartbeat.
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hes exactly what we need up forward dont think anyone would argue with that.
hes 26 in march so we would in effect be drafting a 26 yo for 2o13.
the money side of it i have no issue with damn good players demand big bucks hes a damned good kpf and they dont grow on trees.
Free agent.
But of course he won't come for free, far from it.
So long as we can afford it, we should do it in a heartbeat.
If he's a free agent he won't cost us picks just lots of coin....
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Carn Tiges. stuff I can't wait to see that purple head explode. ;D
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Richmond football department boss Craig Cameron says the Tigers are ''duty-bound'' to make contact with Cloke if his dealings with the Magpies become ''irreparable''.
But McGuire said he had already spoken with Tigers president Gary March, who told him the Tigers would not pursue Cloke. ''He said, 'No, not interested in that. We are going to bring our own players through and not blow our salary-cap up'.''
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/back-off-cloke-critics-warned-20120725-22qx2.html#ixzz21f722ElL
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Dokic. Please
The old man made a point of not letting any of his sons come to punt rd now we should return the favour and tell him to shove his 800k a year up his date
One good year and he demands 800k plus
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Dokic. Please
The old man made a point of not letting any of his sons come to punt rd now we should return the favour and tell him to shove his 800k a year up his date
One good year and he demands 800k plus
Wasn't the old man. It was the dragon mother.......She rules the roost in that family. I can almost guarantee that!
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Dokic. Please
The old man made a point of not letting any of his sons come to punt rd now we should return the favour and tell him to shove his 800k a year up his date
One good year and he demands 800k plus
Exactly
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Duty boud and improve our list.....sigh.....this is moving forward!!!!!!!!!
"Richmond football department head, Craig Cameron, said of Cloke, whose father David played more than 200 games for the Tigers: ''Our understanding has always been that he would remain at Collingwood. But if that situation becomes irreparable, we're duty-bound to look at any way to improve our list.''
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Duty boud and improve our list.....sigh.....this is moving forward!!!!!!!!!
"Richmond football department head, Craig Cameron, said of Cloke, whose father David played more than 200 games for the Tigers: ''Our understanding has always been that he would remain at Collingwood. But if that situation becomes irreparable, we're duty-bound to look at any way to improve our list.''
Lol who gives a stuff if its irreparable. Just go bloody steal him.
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Becoming Joke very quickly
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Don't worry, we'd be right into him, as would Carlton, Melbourne etc.
Nobody wants to do it as publicly as Geelong did with Boak.
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One cloak room is a plenty at the me bank centre
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i'm a bit partial to cloke, my mate went to school with him and calls him "cabbage". I like calling him "cabbage".
But on the flipside, if it keeps miller in the 2's, gives jack the 2nd best defender and we dont sacrifice too much in getting him then i see it as a big positive. How is his record with regards to injuries and off-field behaviour?
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Dokic. Please
The old man made a point of not letting any of his sons come to punt rd now we should return the favour and tell him to shove his 800k a year up his date
One good year and he demands 800k plus
Get over it.
Old man Cloke is a two time RFC premiership player who finished out his career with us.
He's a Tiger alright.
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Neroli Meadows @Neroli_Meadows twitter
"@Richmond_FC coach Damien Hardwick says Tigers are interested in out of contract @Collingwood_FC forward Travis Cloke @FOXSPORTS_NEWS
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http://Old man also ditched us
Forget the animals
More thieves at me centre
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Don't worry, we'd be right into him, as would Carlton, Melbourne etc.
Nobody wants to do it as publicly as Geelong did with Boak.
if malthouse is as good as carltons coach for next yr and the rmour mill is strong on that one, then id say juffa is right and cloke is going to join his old coach at that mercenary club.
when one thinks about it they are made for each other and the pieces of the puzzle sort of fall into place.
there is nothing to be gained by dragging this out if he was staying at collingwood. the only possible reason imo is hes got an offer and with malthouse going there hes going to join his old coach at carlton.
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if malthouse is as good as carltons coach for next yr and the rmour mill is strong on that one, then id say juffa is right and cloke is going to join his old coach at that mercenary club.
when one thinks about it they are made for each other and the pieces of the puzzle sort of fall into place.
there is nothing to be gained by dragging this out if he was staying at collingwood. the only possible reason imo is hes got an offer and with malthouse going there hes going to join his old coach at carlton.
Sounds like you are a bit of a Malthouse hater Claw. Might explain your motive for downplaying our list so much.
Its more likely that Malthouse has an offer to come to Richmond and Cloke is following him there. Craig Cameron was deliberately vague in his responses to Bartlett. Its not something you would advertise until the end of the season and until the deal was done out of respect for all parties.
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if malthouse is as good as carltons coach for next yr and the rmour mill is strong on that one, then id say juffa is right and cloke is going to join his old coach at that mercenary club.
when one thinks about it they are made for each other and the pieces of the puzzle sort of fall into place.
there is nothing to be gained by dragging this out if he was staying at collingwood. the only possible reason imo is hes got an offer and with malthouse going there hes going to join his old coach at carlton.
Sounds like you are a bit of a Malthouse hater Claw. Might explain your motive for downplaying our list so much.
Its more likely that Malthouse has an offer to come to Richmond and Cloke is following him there. Craig Cameron was deliberately vague in his responses to Bartlett. Its not something you would advertise until the end of the season and until the deal was done out of respect for all parties.
TROLL?
:lol
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if malthouse is as good as carltons coach for next yr and the rmour mill is strong on that one, then id say juffa is right and cloke is going to join his old coach at that mercenary club.
when one thinks about it they are made for each other and the pieces of the puzzle sort of fall into place.
there is nothing to be gained by dragging this out if he was staying at collingwood. the only possible reason imo is hes got an offer and with malthouse going there hes going to join his old coach at carlton.
Sounds like you are a bit of a Malthouse hater Claw. Might explain your motive for downplaying our list so much.
Its more likely that Malthouse has an offer to come to Richmond and Cloke is following him there. Craig Cameron was deliberately vague in his responses to Bartlett. Its not something you would advertise until the end of the season and until the deal was done out of respect for all parties.
im actually a malthouse admirer. wasnt having a go at mick but cloke and carlton. this is exactly how carlton go about it remember judd? and the clokes it seems.cartlon would be the mercenary club in the afl and cloke is being mercenary a good fit they probably deserve each other.
im just connecting the rumour dots and the facts.
ratten is out iof contract come seasons end hardwick has signed a two yr extension and done nothing wrong to suggest it wasnt warranted.i feel for ratten as i have never thought they had great depth either and injuries have really hurt them.
i dont down play down our list i give an honest assesment of where it is at imo. trouble is people dont like to hear that players they like are no good or only average at best or have to be moved on at some stage.
cmon do you really think they will sack hardwick to get mick. no way in the world. hardwick has actually done a good job to date with the cattle hes had at his disposal. we as a club have worked damn hard to dispell the notion that we sack our coaches willy nilly and hardwick has done nothing wrong to deserve sacking.
if i listened to a lot of posters on here id believe hardwick is a dud and everything hes done is a failure.
the simple truth is the vast majority of things hes done hes got pretty much right, but there are some things hes got wrong and its these things that people focus on.which okay to do but you have to look at the overall picture to actually judge him.
as a rookie coach in just his 3rd yr a reasonable person would expect lots of mistakes as he goes along and learns. it seems most arent that reasonable on here.any mistake is a reason to sack him lol.
i think he has a contract till the end of 2014 i fully expect him to be there until then.
if malthouse had got the job in 09 i doubt very much if the list would be advanced any more than it is now.
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Malthouse will not be anywhere near Carlton in 2013. For good measure . . . ;)
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im actually a malthouse admirer. wasnt having a go at mick but cloke and carlton. this is exactly how carlton go about it remember judd? and the clokes it seems.cartlon would be the mercenary club in the afl and cloke is being mercenary a good fit they probably deserve each other.
Thanks for clarifying that. Can't argue with Carlton being mercenaries. Collingwood haven't looked after the Cloke family. Unfortunately for the Clokes, Richmond has been such a basket case that we haven't been able to offer an alternative. We should have had a Cloke at Richmond before now.
It would be fair to say off field, we have done enough to change that. On field we haven't. But we are developing an elite midfield with Maric, Deledio, Cotchin, Martin and a spine with Riewoldt and Rance. Malthouse would tip the balance on field to getting him to Richmond. With Hardwick at the helm. Not much chance. Thats the kind of difference Malthouse would bring to Richmond. Instant fear and respect.
As to the troll. Get back under your bridge.
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Key Richmond figures at odds over whether Tigers should make play for Collingwood star Travis Cloke
By staff writers
FOX SPORTS
July 26, 2012
The Richmond hierarchy appears to be at odds over whether the club should make a play for Collingwood forward Travis Cloke.
With contract negotiations between Cloke and the Magpies on hold, the Tigers have been regarded as one of the key suitors for the power forward, who becomes a restricted free agent at the end of the season.
Richmond head of football Craig Cameron on Tuesday night said the club was "duty bound to investigate all options" in regards to Cloke, but president Gary March says a tilt at securing the premiership player and Copeland Trophy winner would go against the club's development policy.
In an exclusive interview with FOX FOOTY's Eddie McGuire, March said the Tigers aren't interested in landing a "big fish".
"Our key focus has been on re-signing our own stars and not going out and trying to get them from other clubs," March said.
"We've put a lot of time and effort into developing the Cotchins, the Deledios, the Martins, the Riewoldts, the Vickerys ... and pleasingly, we've kept all of those.
"We're not about going and getting a big fish from another club. We're about developing our own big fish.
"Unless you keep your group together, you're not going to win anything."
Tigers legend Kevin Bartlett urged Richmond to join the race for Cloke.
"I think they've definitely got to go for Travis Cloke," Bartlett told Fox Sports News.
"Could you imagine Travis Cloke on the forward line along with Jack Riewoldt? And you've got Cotchin, Deledio and Martin in midfield.
"The Tigers have lost five games this year by 12 points or less and I think most people understand they're a club on the rise and they've got very good young players.
"Cloke coming in at 25 years of age and playing as a key power forward gives Richmond and opportunity to take a big step."
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/key-richmond-figures-at-odds-over-whether-tigers-should-make-play-for-collingwood-star-travis-cloke/story-e6frf3e3-1226435589238
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There is a reason why Gary March has no input into these sorts of things, but I guess that doesn't stop him from talking rubbish.
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We want Travis: Sheedy
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/142696/default.aspx
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what a load of crap.
We need a strong,Tall forward and Cloke is one.
He's 25 and experienced.
Whats all the banter ??
Two big Croations is good,stuffin!!!!
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geez they all want a piece
of the Cloke pie.
old Shady Sheedy getting
in on the act. :lol
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what a load of crap.
We need a strong,Tall forward and Cloke is one.
He's 25 and experienced.
Whats all the banter ??
Two big Croations is good,stuffin!!!!
Always knew David Cloke was a Croatian :)
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Dokic. Please
The old man made a point of not letting any of his sons come to punt rd now we should return the favour and tell him to shove his 800k a year up his date
One good year and he demands 800k plus
Okay that's your POV.
But..............
Don't think Richmond even bothered to nominate the first two Clokes as Father-Sons.
Well accepted they went to Collingwood as the cost of getting Travis.
Thus Travis was never coming to Richmond however we did try at the time he was drafted.
As for David, during Northey's reign as Senior Coach I went to quite a few games. David was always in the rooms during this period.
When we started the FTF one of the main reasons was to provide money to buy a big target free agent.
There is no doubt our biggest gap at the moment is a big forward target at CHF.
Travis is one of the best, simply judged on his record.
He is the right age. Same age as Buddy, Roughy, Tippett and Clark.
It's being debated that four or five years is a long time to contract a player on such high wages.
I don't think anyone would dispute offering a similar length to any of the four mentioned above.
(As an aside to look ahead at what you would hope to get; Brown and Pods are six years older, Riewoldt and Petrie five, Waite and Lynch four while Merritt is three years older.)
While the price is very high for one player, it is about par for the course if you look at other high profile moves (Judd, Warnock, Clark, Ablett, Scully etc). The funny thing is that if Travis performs up to expectations and the contract is for five years then the money in the final couple of years may even be on the cheap side.
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When we started the FTF one of the main reasons was to provide money to buy a big target free agent.
has this ever been said, or is it just your interpretation?
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When we started the FTF one of the main reasons was to provide money to buy a big target free agent.
has this ever been said, or is it just your interpretation?
yep in a round about way. we always wanted to have the ability to shake the tree when free agency hit. dont quote me but the ftf goal was 6mil if i remember correctly. at the time of it being implemented we were 4.5 mil in debt. the extra 1.5 was to build a war chest for free agency and build up the footy dept.
thats my take on it anyway.
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Dokic. Please
The old man made a point of not letting any of his sons come to punt rd now we should return the favour and tell him to shove his 800k a year up his date
One good year and he demands 800k plus
Okay that's your POV.
But..............
Don't think Richmond even bothered to nominate the first two Clokes as Father-Sons.
Well accepted they went to Collingwood as the cost of getting Travis.
Thus Travis was never coming to Richmond however we did try at the time he was drafted.
As for David, during Northey's reign as Senior Coach I went to quite a few games. David was always in the rooms during this period.
When we started the FTF one of the main reasons was to provide money to buy a big target free agent.
There is no doubt our biggest gap at the moment is a big forward target at CHF.
Travis is one of the best, simply judged on his record.
He is the right age. Same age as Buddy, Roughy, Tippett and Clark.
It's being debated that four or five years is a long time to contract a player on such high wages.
I don't think anyone would dispute offering a similar length to any of the four mentioned above.
(As an aside to look ahead at what you would hope to get; Brown and Pods are six years older, Riewoldt and Petrie five, Waite and Lynch four while Merritt is three years older.)
While the price is very high for one player, it is about par for the course if you look at other high profile moves (Judd, Warnock, Clark, Ablett, Scully etc). The funny thing is that if Travis performs up to expectations and the contract is for five years then the money in the final couple of years may even be on the cheap side.
Well said! But to be totally honest i don't think we have the minerals to get it done. We will just develop our own! :lol :banghead :help
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i have a question. can anyone tell me if you are allowed to take more than one player in free agency? i ask this because we have made inquireies about troy chaplin. geez cloke and chaplin at no real cost other than an inflated wage would really shore up both the forward and defensive structure.it would leave us free to target mids mids and more mids in the nd.
imagine something like this.
nd
10 caddy
30 odd mid think ellis this draft
30 odd mid compensation pick. again think ellis or a parker.
48 young ruckman we need to find a genuine young ruckman of quality. this would be a start.
64 mature state league really would like us to give tom lee a try. at 195cm about 95kg and very athletic he would add much needed depth at the worst.
psd moloney short term and would add to our midfield.
free agency cloke. structures up the forward line perfectly.
free agency chaplin. at 195/100 balances out and structures up the backline and adding much needed up to standard depth.
plus rookies
like above take a mix of kids and state/recycled league players.
thats our poor bottom 6 in the 22 fixed almost in one go.
we add 4 mids all ready to go and find real depth if helbig and arnot can take a step up.
we find the big kpd we need we find the second kpf we need. and we find a potential back up tall at both ends in lee.
we cut 8 of the duds making for a better and more managable balance of good to bad on the list. it also allows to cut rookies like miller.
finally with cloke moloney and chaplin we add some much needed experience in all three areas of the ground.
not a bad scenario if i dont say so myself. alas i struggle to see it happenening. oh well one can hope.
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i have a question. can anyone tell me if you are allowed to take more than one player in free agency? i ask this because we have made inquireies about troy chaplin.
Big Pappi is usually across this sort of stuff and will probably welcome your question
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Jack aside, when you look at our alternative tall forward options, I am staggered there are people who wouldn't want Cloke at Richmond.
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Jack aside, when you look at our alternative tall forward options, I am staggered there are people who wouldn't want Cloke at Richmond.
Hurley wouldn't get a game either apparently. Come home Clokey
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Jack aside, when you look at our alternative tall forward options, I am staggered there are people who wouldn't want Cloke at Richmond.
i agree especially now i know hes a free agent. we would be mad not to have a decent crack at him just imagine travis for nothing but his wages and we still have 4 picks in the top 50.
asked above are you allowed to take more than one player in free agency? do you know? cheers.
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I can't see anywhere in the AFL rules that says you can't. All comes down to how much coin you have.
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Jack aside, when you look at our alternative tall forward options, I am staggered there are people who wouldn't want Cloke at Richmond.
I think you will find that the real objection to cloke is not the player himself but the "PRICE TAG AND TERM" that is hanging around his neck. Cloke is NOT worth that price and term. Richmond would be foolish and incompetent dealing with such crap.
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Cloke is NOT worth that price and term.
Well evidently he is worth a considerable amount because a number of clubs are lining up for his services.
How much would Jon Brown be on? Pavlich? Franklin?
Cloke was AA CHF last year. This season's (in the wake of his contract issues) slightly less impressive form aside, when on song is in that company IMO, whether some agree or not.
He is not a huge goal kicker like Jack but as a genuine CHF he plays a harder position.
At his best, Travis is a man mountain in the forward line and does a power of bullocking work that makes life easier for everyone around him.
He sets up an enormous amount of attacks for the Pies.
He would instantly transform our middling side into a very potent one with he and Jack operating one and two up front.
Personally I think his value is underestimated by many.
Tiges better be pushing hard to acquire him if possible. Five years of Lids & Cotchin feeding Travis & Jack, is a mouthwatering prospect.
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Sack Hardwick and employ David Cloke as coach.
Trav Cloke playing assistant coach and captain.
Cameron Cloke CEO.
Jason Cloke President.
They all bleed yellow and black dem clokez.
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When we started the FTF one of the main reasons was to provide money to buy a big target free agent.
has this ever been said, or is it just your interpretation?
Al, one of the remaining aims of FTF beyond what the AFL has given in equalisation funds is to "pay 100% of the salary cap and be favourably placed for the introduction of free agency"
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/FTFTheRoadAhead/tabid/17127/Default.aspx
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Jack aside, when you look at our alternative tall forward options, I am staggered there are people who wouldn't want Cloke at Richmond.
I think you will find that the real objection to cloke is not the player himself but the "PRICE TAG AND TERM" that is hanging around his neck. Cloke is NOT worth that price and term. Richmond would be foolish and incompetent dealing with such crap.
So you wouldn't want Buddy, Roughy or Tippett on that long a deal? Cos they're the same age.
The term is only a problem if he gets injured and yet we just gave out a five year deal to a player (Lids) this year, like a few other clubs.
The other point you don't mention Mr M is that Cloke was Collingwoods leading goalkicker last year in a grand final team.
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Best contested mark in the game and also loves the long leads to the wings to give his team mates an option as they stream out of defence. Its not often you can get one of the top fwds in the prime of his life for no draft picks. Cloke and Reiwoldt up fwd getting fed by one of the top handful of midfields in the comp - yeah um lets think about it..
Get it done FFS!
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geez everyone makes valid points for either
side in regards to recruiting Cloke.
undecided myself but do have a fear
of this football club shooting itself in the foot
in these situations.
mixed signals coming from the tee pee at
tigerland, wonder who is running the agenda. :gotigers
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Jack aside, when you look at our alternative tall forward options, I am staggered there are people who wouldn't want Cloke at Richmond.
I think you will find that the real objection to cloke is not the player himself but the "PRICE TAG AND TERM" that is hanging around his neck. Cloke is NOT worth that price and term. Richmond would be foolish and incompetent dealing with such crap.
So you wouldn't want Buddy, Roughy or Tippett on that long a deal? Cos they're the same age.
The term is only a problem if he gets injured and yet we just gave out a five year deal to a player (Lids) this year, like a few other clubs.
The other point you don't mention Mr M is that Cloke was Collingwoods leading goalkicker last year in a grand final team.
Certainly wouldn't want Tippett for that long. I hate that prick. gotta be the most overrated bloke.
would still take him at tigerland though ;D
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undecided myself but do have a fear
of this football club shooting itself in the foot
in these situations.
And that's what we all fear.
The ones who are against just know it'll go wrong based on all those years gone by.
The ones for it are screwing up their courage for one last gamble to pull off a big win.
Bang or wimper?
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Giants eye Cloke as Tigers brood
by: Greg Denham
From: The Australian
July 27, 2012
THE fallout from Collingwood's halt in negotiations with Travis Cloke has got Kevin Sheedy very excited but fellow coach Damien Hardwick is taking a more softly-softly approach.
Greater Western Sydney coach Sheedy says the Giants are back in the race to sign Cloke, while Richmond counterpart Hardwick was measured on any bid by the Tigers to secure the soon-to-be out of contract key forward.
Giants chief executive David Matthews announced in May his club would not be chasing Cloke, who becomes a restricted free agent at the end of the season and is seeking a four to five-year deal.
But the Magpies' decision on Monday to put contract talks on hold has resurrected interest from GWS, according to Sheedy.
"If he doesn't sign a contract, I reckon there's a few clubs out there and we'll have to definitely have a look at him," Sheedy said. "Because we can't just sit on our hands if he doesn't come to terms.
"That style of player put the Swans on the map. Look at (Tony) Lockett and Barry Hall.
"So it's quite amazing how things venture out. It looks like a long and drawn out contractual problem."
Sheedy said the Giants would have a chance to see Cloke first-hand tomorrow when the two clubs meet at Skoda Stadium.
"You've got Cloke coming up to play and he's off contract," Sheedy said. "It's not often a team has a player off contract and they fly him up for us to come and see. That's pretty generous from Collingwood. There will be a tour (of the Giants' accommodation at Breakfast Point). Don't worry about that.
"We'll make sure the bus gets sidetracked. We might get the bus driver to accidentally turn down the wrong street -- it's only seven minutes away from here."
Sheedy said he had no concerns with the recent form slump of Cloke, whose output this year in disposals, marks and goals are all lower than last season.
"I never worry about form. He's a very strong, powerful contested key forward, and they're the sort of people that are drawcards," he said. "If we want to build up our attendance here, in the end we've got to bring drawcards along as well."
The four-time premiership coach warned there could be more twists and turns in the Cloke saga.
"Collingwood are probably saying they've got the grip right there where they feel like they want it," he said. "But just remember what happened with Richmond and Collingwood. They thought they had (Travis's father) David Cloke and Geoff Raines.
"They walked out on Richmond years ago and I don't think Richmond's ever been that good since. It's a difficult problem for clubs and managers."
Hardwick yesterday said the Tigers would like to recruit Cloke, "as would every club", but there were dangers in putting all the club's energy and resources into signing a big name. "You can get one big fish, but the fact is there are two or three who can float out the other way," he said.
Hardwick backed the club's recent policy of recruiting mid-range players to top off areas of need. "We target players who we think are going to take the club forward," he said.
"The addition of Ivan Maric, the addition of Shaun Grigg, Bachar Houli, Steve Morris, I think we've got a pretty good strike rate in that regard."
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/giants-eye-cloke-as-tigers-brood/story-fnca0u4y-1226436183860
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i have a question. can anyone tell me if you are allowed to take more than one player in free agency? i ask this because we have made inquireies about troy chaplin. geez cloke and chaplin at no real cost other than an inflated wage would really shore up both the forward and defensive structure.it would leave us free to target mids mids and more mids in the nd.
You can theoretically delist you team and pick up 40 free agents if you want. We could probably just afford Cloke and Chaplin. Not sure we could then convince Caddy to come to us over other clubs. If we're raiding GC take 1 of their delisted kids. They become Free Agents too just so people are aware. GC fans talking about Hayden Jolly and Piers Flanagan as possible delists.
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Don't worry be Pappi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHFDa9efCQU
:huh
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When we started the FTF one of the main reasons was to provide money to buy a big target free agent.
has this ever been said, or is it just your interpretation?
Al, one of the remaining aims of FTF beyond what the AFL has given in equalisation funds is to "pay 100% of the salary cap and be favourably placed for the introduction of free agency"
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/FTFTheRoadAhead/tabid/17127/Default.aspx
favourably placed could mean a number of things.
1. be in a position to protect our own interets, ie not get poached. (this was mentioned only in the last few days in an interview, but i cant recall if it was march, cameron or gale who said it)
2. be in a position to poach someone else
or
3. a combination of both.
as far as i know, the club has never made the statememnt that FTF was to be used specifically for targeting a big name player from other clubs. It's just people's take on a broad statement.
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"You've got Cloke coming up to play and he's off contract," Sheedy said. "It's not often a team has a player off contract and they fly him up for us to come and see. That's pretty generous from Collingwood. There will be a tour (of the Giants' accommodation at Breakfast Point). Don't worry about that.
:lol @ sheedy
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Have any of the Cloke boys been any good after their 25 th birthday? That's my main concern.
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When we started the FTF one of the main reasons was to provide money to buy a big target free agent.
has this ever been said, or is it just your interpretation?
Al, one of the remaining aims of FTF beyond what the AFL has given in equalisation funds is to "pay 100% of the salary cap and be favourably placed for the introduction of free agency"
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/FTFTheRoadAhead/tabid/17127/Default.aspx
favourably placed could mean a number of things.
1. be in a position to protect our own interets, ie not get poached. (this was mentioned only in the last few days in an interview, but i cant recall if it was march, cameron or gale who said it)
2. be in a position to poach someone else
or
3. a combination of both.
as far as i know, the club has never made the statememnt that FTF was to be used specifically for targeting a big name player from other clubs. It's just people's take on a broad statement.
It's a statement you can take anyway you want that's for sure.
However Cloke or no Cloke, I'm happy for the club to use the money as they see fit.
I gave that money unconditionally to the club having faith in the current administration to make a decision in our best interests.
I trust them to make the decision that's best whatever it is.
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Have any of the Cloke boys been any good after their 25 th birthday? That's my main concern.
The other two were no good before their 25th bday.
Don't let that worry you.
Mind you, it won't happen anyway.
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Mind you, it won't happen anyway.
Breaking news Damo?
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Have any of the Cloke boys been any good after their 25 th birthday? That's my main concern.
Were the other 2 ever any good? :whistle
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When we started the FTF one of the main reasons was to provide money to buy a big target free agent.
has this ever been said, or is it just your interpretation?
Al, one of the remaining aims of FTF beyond what the AFL has given in equalisation funds is to "pay 100% of the salary cap and be favourably placed for the introduction of free agency"
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/FTFTheRoadAhead/tabid/17127/Default.aspx
favourably placed could mean a number of things.
1. be in a position to protect our own interets, ie not get poached. (this was mentioned only in the last few days in an interview, but i cant recall if it was march, cameron or gale who said it)
2. be in a position to poach someone else
or
3. a combination of both.
as far as i know, the club has never made the statememnt that FTF was to be used specifically for targeting a big name player from other clubs. It's just people's take on a broad statement.
It's a statement you can take anyway you want that's for sure.
However Cloke or no Cloke, I'm happy for the club to use the money as they see fit.
I gave that money unconditionally to the club having faith in the current administration to make a decision in our best interests.
I trust them to make the decision that's best whatever it is.
I agree with both al & Mr Magic
Personally, I never believed the statement "be favourably placed for the introduction of free agency" meant they would go after ever big fish on the market, I just took it to mean they would be ready for FA and have every angle covered. And it would mean we would look at all FAs and target those that fit a need for us.
And just on young Travis who I think seriously needs to grow up; I would have only one question for him "what exactly do YOU want? Not interested in what your old man tells us you want, not interested in what your old man clearly wants, just want to know Travis wants. Stupid Travis should answer that without his old man & mother around and then just do it. Pretty simple really
Personally I don't think he is worth the amounts that are being bandied about. If you compare Cloke to say Jonathon Brown at the same age then I reckon travis Cloke is a fair way behind, hence my views on the $$
Now if the the bit about the 5th year incentive clauses are correct all that says to me is Travis isn't prepared to back himself and his ability in and it reeks of greed.... but sadly that seems to be the Cloke way
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"You've got Cloke coming up to play and he's off contract," Sheedy said. "It's not often a team has a player off contract and they fly him up for us to come and see. That's pretty generous from Collingwood. There will be a tour (of the Giants' accommodation at Breakfast Point). Don't worry about that.
:lol @ sheedy
:lol
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Not sure he can command $1m on the market for much longer. It looks as if Collingwood is signing up everyone else, so once end of season comes, they may not be able to offer him anything over $500k. Surely that will have an effect on what other clubs are throwing at him?
Also, isn't McGuane on $350k+ a year? Surely moving him on will free up a fair bit of cash for Cloke? :rollin
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I think we've got plenty of room in the cap regardless of McGuane JVT. Our biggest problem has been paying enough to reach the minimum as I understand it.
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I think we've got plenty of room in the cap regardless of McGuane JVT. Our biggest problem has been paying enough to reach the minimum as I understand it.
I agree, but just pointing out with McG leaving, his $800k price tag all of a sudden doesnt look that bad, what would it be, $500k a year with McG's packet going to him?
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"You've got Cloke coming up to play and he's off contract," Sheedy said. "It's not often a team has a player off contract and they fly him up for us to come and see. That's pretty generous from Collingwood. There will be a tour (of the Giants' accommodation at Breakfast Point). Don't worry about that.
:lol @ sheedy
:lol
Who gave this guy permission to pipe up?? Sit back down unless you can contribute please... :angel:
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I think we've got plenty of room in the cap regardless of McGuane JVT. Our biggest problem has been paying enough to reach the minimum as I understand it.
I agree, but just pointing out with McG leaving, his $800k price tag all of a sudden doesnt look that bad, what would it be, $500k a year with McG's packet going to him?
i like the way you roll JVT :cheers
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Im starting to come around.
Welcome punt road trav
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"You've got Cloke coming up to play and he's off contract," Sheedy said. "It's not often a team has a player off contract and they fly him up for us to come and see. That's pretty generous from Collingwood. There will be a tour (of the Giants' accommodation at Breakfast Point). Don't worry about that.
:lol @ sheedy
:lol
Who gave this guy permission to pipe up??
Big Pappi I believe.
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I think we've got plenty of room in the cap regardless of McGuane JVT. Our biggest problem has been paying enough to reach the minimum as I understand it.
I agree, but just pointing out with McG leaving, his $800k price tag all of a sudden doesnt look that bad, what would it be, $500k a year with McG's packet going to him?
For sure. :thumbsup
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What do the current players make of mcgaune jackson and grahsm being on the list?
if cloke leaves collingwood he will go to the highest bidder. to get him we would have pay way over his worth.
don't forget what effect this would have on current team members. lids signed a five year contract worth what he probably could have got on a three contract on the open market.
bringing in someone like coke on a hugely inflated contract wouldn't sit well amongst the players, IMO
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Was thinking this morning about who would really be serious about Cloke.
I tend to dismiss Freo as has Travis.
The same with Melbourne since I can't see them justifying another big pay packet after Clark last year.
Don't think he'll go to an expansion club since it will be too hard.
Carlton is a big chance but you would wonder how they could pay for it.
Carlton would be very close to the salary cap but they have three highly paid ruckmen under contract. Kreuzer and Warnock signed new 3 year deals this year while Hampson signed a 3 year deal end of last year. There could be a trade done where Carlton get Travis and swap Warnock to Collingwood. It would ease the pressure on Carlton's cap but suit Collingwood in replacing Jolly. Then Carlton may be forced to let McLean's contract run out this year to cover the rest of Travis's wage. Would Collingwood be that pragmatic or would they play hardball with Carlton?
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Carlton via visy dont need to stick to the salary cap.
Move mclean onto a made up greenie job and they open up half mill
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favourably placed could mean a number of things.
1. be in a position to protect our own interets, ie not get poached. (this was mentioned only in the last few days in an interview, but i cant recall if it was march, cameron or gale who said it)
2. be in a position to poach someone else
or
3. a combination of both.
as far as i know, the club has never made the statememnt that FTF was to be used specifically for targeting a big name player from other clubs. It's just people's take on a broad statement.
It's a statement you can take anyway you want that's for sure.
However Cloke or no Cloke, I'm happy for the club to use the money as they see fit.
I gave that money unconditionally to the club having faith in the current administration to make a decision in our best interests.
I trust them to make the decision that's best whatever it is.
I agree with both al & Mr Magic
Personally, I never believed the statement "be favourably placed for the introduction of free agency" meant they would go after ever big fish on the market, I just took it to mean they would be ready for FA and have every angle covered. And it would mean we would look at all FAs and target those that fit a need for us.
And just on young Travis who I think seriously needs to grow up; I would have only one question for him "what exactly do YOU want? Not interested in what your old man tells us you want, not interested in what your old man clearly wants, just want to know Travis wants. Stupid Travis should answer that without his old man & mother around and then just do it. Pretty simple really
Personally I don't think he is worth the amounts that are being bandied about. If you compare Cloke to say Jonathon Brown at the same age then I reckon travis Cloke is a fair way behind, hence my views on the $$
Now if the the bit about the 5th year incentive clauses are correct all that says to me is Travis isn't prepared to back himself and his ability in and it reeks of greed.... but sadly that seems to be the Cloke way
Agree
I dont know if I like this idea anymore, lets look at it for what it is.
If he stays with collingwood they probably have another 3 year window to grab a couple of flags :help yep thats what I think
He is purely leaving to make money, we have to be careful :shh
Edtied to correct multiple quotes ;D
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Big Pappi
Regards,
Original Big Pappi
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We don't have anyone on our list who can fulfill the role of CHF. Recruiiting Cloke is a no brainer..
Vickery will never be a big CHF. Physically and mentally he suffers from Matthew Francis syndrome. He should be developed as a good second string mobile ruckman like the essendon/west coast models.
What Collingwood offers Cloke is irrelevant. What he is worth is based on his market value. That value is determined by his value to the clubs interested in recruiting him. To Richmond, his value would be enormous. It would fill a huge hole in our spine.
Whether the other players on the list like his contract or not is also irrelevant. Ask our well paid players if they want an extra 100k or they want to play finals consistently in a Richmond jumper. The club needs be driven by success. All that is driving it at the moment is the huge shadow of failure. If the timidity of Craig Cameron's approach is genuine, don't expect anything from the future.
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What do the current players make of mcgaune jackson and grahsm being on the list?
if cloke leaves collingwood he will go to the highest bidder. to get him we would have pay way over his worth.
don't forget what effect this would have on current team members. lids signed a five year contract worth what he probably could have got on a three contract on the open market.
bringing in someone like coke on a hugely inflated contract wouldn't sit well amongst the players, IMO
I disagree. The players wouldn't give two stuff's what Cloke was being paid if he kicked 60 goals for the Tigers in 2013 and formed a partnership with JR8 that saw us play finals.
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What do the current players make of mcgaune jackson and grahsm being on the list?
if cloke leaves collingwood he will go to the highest bidder. to get him we would have pay way over his worth.
don't forget what effect this would have on current team members. lids signed a five year contract worth what he probably could have got on a three contract on the open market.
bringing in someone like coke on a hugely inflated contract wouldn't sit well amongst the players, IMO
doubt any of those players would be on more money than players like lids and cotch.
are you trying to argue that after signing a long term contract for less they could of got on the free market, there is no way players like lids could feel aggrieved if a mercenary came into the club on a hugely inflated contract?
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What do the current players make of mcgaune jackson and grahsm being on the list?
if cloke leaves collingwood he will go to the highest bidder. to get him we would have pay way over his worth.
don't forget what effect this would have on current team members. lids signed a five year contract worth what he probably could have got on a three contract on the open market.
bringing in someone like coke on a hugely inflated contract wouldn't sit well amongst the players, IMO
doubt any of those players would be on more money than players like lids and cotch.
are you trying to argue that after signing a long term contract for less they could of got on the free market, there is no way players like lids could feel aggrieved if a mercenary came into the club on a hugely inflated contract?
I would hazard a guess and say Cotch, Lids, Jack and Martin are all well aware that by taking smaller contracts this would ease the load on signing other players long term to the club, whether that be internal or via free agency. I just don't think these guys would care what the other gets paid if they were playing in September as opposed to crawling the streets of Bali.
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you know them then, do you?
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The general opinion seems to be that Cloke is leaving Collingwood because he wants more money. There was no suggestion of him leaving or wanting to be traded while he was under Malthouse. The financial clause is trivial. Could just be that he doesn't like Buckley. Who could blame him.
If the tigers don't compete for a flag in the next few years, the danger wont be disgruntlement over pay. It will be Ottens all over again with players leaving in search of success.
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haha
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1. Move on McG
2. Move Newy to vets list
3. Use saved money to get Cloke
4. ???
5. Profit
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1. Move on McG
2. Move Newy to vets list
3. Use saved money to get Cloke
4. ???
5. Profit
6.start winning games ;D
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2. Move Newy to vets list
Seen this suggested a couple times
Newy's already on the vets list
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Wasn't he only moved outside the list and isn't on the wage where only half is counted towards cap yet? I remember there some confusion at the start of the year when it happened to his actual list position. I was under the impression he was moved so he could be put on the vets list any time.
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Move Big Papi to the vets list :clapping
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Move Big Papi to the vets list :clapping
*Pappi you goose.
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but other than that, fantastic suggestion :clapping
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:clapping :shh
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but other than that, fantastic suggestion :clapping
That's the spirit big man :clapping
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Wasn't he only moved outside the list and isn't on the wage where only half is counted towards cap yet? I remember there some confusion at the start of the year when it happened to his actual list position. I was under the impression he was moved so he could be put on the vets list any time.
He is listed by the AFL as a veteran included on the senior list of 38. (source = Footy Record ;D)
My understanding is that any listed veteran whether included on the list of 38 or a vetran listed outside the list of 38 has only part of their salary included in the cap. In Newy's case seeing he is our only veteran then it's 50%
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No deal for Cloke at RFC, too much $ and no guarantees. It was how we signed Chris Naish up years ago to keep him, nearly crippled the club.
I would rather sign Fevola for $150K on a performance based/attitude based contract. I know he is 31 but there must be something there, If RFC is duty bound to look at all possibilities is Fev not a possibility?? We took a monty risk with Cousins and that paid off.
Just imagine round 1 against Carlton next year with Fev in the Yellow and Black. And Fev kicks 10!!
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The general opinion seems to be that Cloke is leaving Collingwood because he wants more money. There was no suggestion of him leaving or wanting to be traded while he was under Malthouse. The financial clause is trivial. Could just be that he doesn't like Buckley. Who could blame him.
Not quite.
Looking at the AFL site about contracts today I saw this from the last Cloke contract saga in 2010.
http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=104092
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all this speculation will be ongoing
till something is signed.
so their thinking in holding
off on all talks just adds to it all.
what the hell are they doing. :lol
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I would rather sign Fevola for $150K on a performance based/attitude based contract. I know he is 31 but there must be something there, If RFC is duty bound to look at all possibilities is Fev not a possibility?? We took a monty risk with Cousins and that paid off.
Just imagine round 1 against Carlton next year with Fev in the Yellow and Black. And Fev kicks 10!!
Goodbye credibility
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The general opinion seems to be that Cloke is leaving Collingwood because he wants more money. There was no suggestion of him leaving or wanting to be traded while he was under Malthouse. The financial clause is trivial. Could just be that he doesn't like Buckley. Who could blame him.
Not quite.
Looking at the AFL site about contracts today I saw this from the last Cloke contract saga in 2010.
http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=104092
yeah, this is the second contract negotiation where they have tried to hold the club to ransom.
the same poo will probably go down next time, at whichever club he is at.
although technically they talked about walking out rather than trading in 2010 :P
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I would rather sign Fevola for $150K on a performance based/attitude based contract. I know he is 31 but there must be something there, If RFC is duty bound to look at all possibilities is Fev not a possibility?? We took a monty risk with Cousins and that paid off.
Just imagine round 1 against Carlton next year with Fev in the Yellow and Black. And Fev kicks 10!!
Goodbye credibility
from a pure football perspective, fervola on minimum wages would be better value for money than cloke, but the reason he would be cheap is the reason why you wouldn't want him
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I would rather sign Fevola for $150K on a performance based/attitude based contract. I know he is 31 but there must be something there, If RFC is duty bound to look at all possibilities is Fev not a possibility?? We took a monty risk with Cousins and that paid off.
Just imagine round 1 against Carlton next year with Fev in the Yellow and Black. And Fev kicks 10!!
Goodbye credibility
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This post is so accurate it hurts ;D
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"In an exclusive interview with FOX FOOTY's Eddie McGuire, March said the Tigers aren't interested in landing a "big fish".
This is the crappy culture coming through now, WTF, honestly this is half our problem, we need some big fish Gary!!!!!
He went on to say "We are only interested in developing our own big fish".......yep and when that happens Lids will be 40......bloody hell get with the program.
The worst thing is, whether you like or hate Eddie, this is how other clubs Presidents view us, just a backyard outfit. We need to become an aggressive during free agency.
I can remember when free agency was annnouced, I am sure it was March or Gale, or one of the hierarchy that came out and said, we are waiting for free agency, thats what we are saving our money for.......well, what now, we don't wan't to get serious.
This is my problem with the club at the moment, we still don't have the killer instict, we don't have it at board level and it flows down from there.
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a question WAT, wat do you think of cloke and the way he has gone about his last two contract negotiations?
Also, no one from the club has ever said that they would actively chase a big fish under free agency
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a question WAT, wat do you think of cloke and the way he has gone about his last two contract negotiations?
Also, no one from the club has ever said that they would actively chase a big fish under free agency
1. I couldn't care less, sign him to a 3 year deal then after that we call the shots.....1-2 year deals, by that time the ball will be in our court. I care about what he offers on field.
2. Then why come out and say they are saving the money for free agency? Was that so we could lure a crap player to the club???
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So if we recruited cloke on big money and he then held the club to ransom with this same circus in 2 or 3 years time, you wouldnt slag off at him like you did with delidio?
The club said they were using the money to prepare for free agency.
this could be interpreted in a number of ways.
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So if we recruited cloke on big money and he then held the club to ransom with this same circus in 2 or 3 years time, you wouldnt slag off at him like you did with delidio?
The club said they were using the money to prepare for free agency.
this could be interpreted in a number of ways.
Totally different, worlds appart, we groomed Lids form a teenager he was supposed to be and is our future and a big part of the apparent rebuilding...stop grasping at straws...
Prepare for what, I thought the idea would of been to pick up the best players on the maket..... ::)
Obviously
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Dermie on League Teams the other night sold me more saying the rarest and most expensive commodity in footy are big, monster, key forwards.
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a question WAT, wat do you think of cloke and the way he has gone about his last two contract negotiations?
Also, no one from the club has ever said that they would actively chase a big fish under free agency
1. I couldn't care less, sign him to a 3 year deal then after that we call the shots.....1-2 year deals, by that time the ball will be in our court. I care about what he offers on field.
2. Then why come out and say they are saving the money for free agency? Was that so we could lure a crap player to the club???
Is Cloke not holding out for a five year deal? I thought most on here would be against using five year deals to lure people to our club?
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Dermie on League Teams the other night sold me more saying the rarest and most expensive commodity in footy are big, monster, key forwards.
Dead right and imagine him and Reiwoldt forward, there is no way teams could stop them both.
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a question WAT, wat do you think of cloke and the way he has gone about his last two contract negotiations?
Also, no one from the club has ever said that they would actively chase a big fish under free agency
1. I couldn't care less, sign him to a 3 year deal then after that we call the shots.....1-2 year deals, by that time the ball will be in our court. I care about what he offers on field.
2. Then why come out and say they are saving the money for free agency? Was that so we could lure a crap player to the club???
Is Cloke not holding out for a five year deal? I thought most on here would be against using five year deals to lure people to our club?
If that is the case then my opinion changes, only players of the Cotchin calibre should be offered 5 year deals.
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Dermie on League Teams the other night sold me more saying the rarest and most expensive commodity in footy are big, monster, key forwards.
Dead right and imagine him and Reiwoldt forward, there is no way teams could stop them both.
Yep. At the moment both Cloke and Jack take best defender and usually a third man up. Even in their poor form at the moment they still get this kind of treatment, but dont show either this respect and they're able to have field days.
Imagine Cloke, Riewoldt, 2011 form Vickery, Martin, and Cotchin and Deledio rotating through once we add midfield depth.
I don't care much for the potentially Cloke circus in 4-5 years. If we don't significantly improve we will probably lose blokes like Deledio anyway.
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a question WAT, wat do you think of cloke and the way he has gone about his last two contract negotiations?
Also, no one from the club has ever said that they would actively chase a big fish under free agency
1. I couldn't care less, sign him to a 3 year deal then after that we call the shots.....1-2 year deals, by that time the ball will be in our court. I care about what he offers on field.
2. Then why come out and say they are saving the money for free agency? Was that so we could lure a crap player to the club???
Is Cloke not holding out for a five year deal? I thought most on here would be against using five year deals to lure people to our club?
If that is the case then my opinion changes, only players of the Cotchin calibre should be offered 5 year deals.
As i understand it so far... Cloke wants five years, Collingwood only offer three or maybe four.
Freo shows interest and are willing to give him five years. Clokes take this back to the table.
Collingwood offers five years but the last two years are performance base.
The Clokes do not like the performance based aspect of the final years.
Negotiations cease.
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"In an exclusive interview with FOX FOOTY's Eddie McGuire, March said the Tigers aren't interested in landing a "big fish".
This is the crappy culture coming through now, WTF, honestly this is half our problem, we need some big fish Gary!!!!!
He went on to say "We are only interested in developing our own big fish".......yep and when that happens Lids will be 40......bloody hell get with the program.
Just on Eddie's "exclusive" with gary march. The interview was recorded a few days before the Pies called off their talks with Cloke... so at the time when the question was asked the Cloke "SAGA" was very different
Also, no one from the club has ever said that they would actively chase a big fish under free agency
Correct al, they said the FTF would allow them to be in a strong position for FA. This would have included making sure we were able to hold onto all our key players (eg Deledio ;D) and fend off the likes of GWS etc as well looking at the FA market.
As i understand it so far... Cloke wants five years, Collingwood only offer three or maybe four.
Freo shows interest and are willing to give him five years. Clokes take this back to the table.
Collingwood offers five years but the last two years are performance base.
The Clokes do not like the performance based aspect of the final years.
Negotiations cease.
C'wood have offered him 5 year. The first 4 are guaranteed at around $750-$800k a season but the 5th year is supposedly the incentive based year with a base amount and performance incentives that will take him up to the $800k.
Young Travis and Damir (more likely his father) have said NO to this so as I said yesterday it seems Travis is prepared to back his own ability in to achieve the incentives, reeks of greed ala his Dad in 1982 when he cracked the sads because other players were getting paid more than him.
The Cloke MO on contract negotiations seems all about playng it out in the media to hold clubs to ransom; did it last time, doing it again. Doubt he will leave C'wood and if he does he will go to the highest bidder and I don't want us throwing all our eggs in one basket when there are plenty of other fish in the ocean
BTW the way he is playing at the moment he isn't worth $400k a year let alone $800k,
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but other than that, fantastic suggestion :clapping
That's the spirit big man :clapping
Respect your coach man. :whistle
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but other than that, fantastic suggestion :clapping
That's the spirit big man :clapping
Respect your coach man. :whistle
:thumbsup
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Dermie on League Teams the other night sold me more saying the rarest and most expensive commodity in footy are big, monster, key forwards.
Dead right and imagine him and Reiwoldt forward, there is no way teams could stop them both.
Yep. At the moment both Cloke and Jack take best defender and usually a third man up. Even in their poor form at the moment they still get this kind of treatment, but dont show either this respect and they're able to have field days.
Imagine Cloke, Riewoldt, 2011 form Vickery, Martin, and Cotchin and Deledio rotating through once we add midfield depth.
I don't care much for the potentially Cloke circus in 4-5 years. If we don't significantly improve we will probably lose blokes like Deledio anyway.
Yep agree, I think players like Lids and Cotch would love to have Cloke at the club, they loved it when we recruited Brown, well Lids did.
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Dermie on League Teams the other night sold me more saying the rarest and most expensive commodity in footy are big, monster, key forwards.
Dead right and imagine him and Reiwoldt forward, there is no way teams could stop them both.
Yep. At the moment both Cloke and Jack take best defender and usually a third man up. Even in their poor form at the moment they still get this kind of treatment, but dont show either this respect and they're able to have field days.
Imagine Cloke, Riewoldt, 2011 form Vickery, Martin, and Cotchin and Deledio rotating through once we add midfield depth.
I don't care much for the potentially Cloke circus in 4-5 years. If we don't significantly improve we will probably lose blokes like Deledio anyway.
Yep agree, I think players like Lids and Cotch would love to have Cloke at the club, they loved it when we recruited Brown, well Lids did.
As long as it's within reason of course :thumbsup I don't like the price tag or the five years. I agree with everyone else that he is hardly even worth $500k at the moment. It also wouldn't send a good message to the rest of our players. But on the other hand, what's the cost for a tilt at the flag?
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Dermie on League Teams the other night sold me more saying the rarest and most expensive commodity in footy are big, monster, key forwards.
Dead right and imagine him and Reiwoldt forward, there is no way teams could stop them both.
Yep. At the moment both Cloke and Jack take best defender and usually a third man up. Even in their poor form at the moment they still get this kind of treatment, but dont show either this respect and they're able to have field days.
Imagine Cloke, Riewoldt, 2011 form Vickery, Martin, and Cotchin and Deledio rotating through once we add midfield depth.
I don't care much for the potentially Cloke circus in 4-5 years. If we don't significantly improve we will probably lose blokes like Deledio anyway.
Yep agree, I think players like Lids and Cotch would love to have Cloke at the club, they loved it when we recruited Brown, well Lids did.
As long as it's within reason of course :thumbsup I don't like the price tag or the five years. I agree with everyone else that he is hardly even worth $500k at the moment. It also wouldn't send a good message to the rest of our players. But on the other hand, what's the cost for a tilt at the flag?
Agree, I would be willing to pay between $550k-$650k with up to an extra $100k a year based on the performance of the club.
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So if we recruited cloke on big money and he then held the club to ransom with this same circus in 2 or 3 years time, you wouldnt slag off at him like you did with delidio?
The club said they were using the money to prepare for free agency.
this could be interpreted in a number of ways.
Totally different, worlds appart, we groomed Lids form a teenager he was supposed to be and is our future and a big part of the apparent rebuilding...stop grasping at straws...
Prepare for what, I thought the idea would of been to pick up the best players on the maket..... ::)
Obviously
not clutching at straws, just seeing double standards.
Obviously? well the other possibility is obvious to me, but obviously it is not obvious to you. The first thing that comes into your mind is rarely the only option, it just takes a little thought and you will see that there are other interpretations of being ready for free agnecy.
I thought you may have been able to think this through for yourself, but obviously not ::)
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Dermie on League Teams the other night sold me more saying the rarest and most expensive commodity in footy are big, monster, key forwards.
Dead right and imagine him and Reiwoldt forward, there is no way teams could stop them both.
Yep. At the moment both Cloke and Jack take best defender and usually a third man up. Even in their poor form at the moment they still get this kind of treatment, but dont show either this respect and they're able to have field days.
Imagine Cloke, Riewoldt, 2011 form Vickery, Martin, and Cotchin and Deledio rotating through once we add midfield depth.
I don't care much for the potentially Cloke circus in 4-5 years. If we don't significantly improve we will probably lose blokes like Deledio anyway.
Yep agree, I think players like Lids and Cotch would love to have Cloke at the club, they loved it when we recruited Brown, well Lids did.
You mean Andrew Browne? Because Nathan was at the club before Lids :lol
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So if we recruited cloke on big money and he then held the club to ransom with this same circus in 2 or 3 years time, you wouldnt slag off at him like you did with delidio?
The club said they were using the money to prepare for free agency.
this could be interpreted in a number of ways.
Totally different, worlds appart, we groomed Lids form a teenager he was supposed to be and is our future and a big part of the apparent rebuilding...stop grasping at straws...
Prepare for what, I thought the idea would of been to pick up the best players on the maket..... ::)
Obviously
not clutching at straws, just seeing double standards.
Obviously? well the other possibility is obvious to me, but obviously it is not obvious to you. The first thing that comes into your mind is rarely the only option, it just takes a little thought and you will see that there are other interpretations of being ready for free agnecy.
I thought you may have been able to think this through for yourself, but obviously not ::)
FFS 30 years of double standards :banghead
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So if we recruited cloke on big money and he then held the club to ransom with this same circus in 2 or 3 years time, you wouldnt slag off at him like you did with delidio?
The club said they were using the money to prepare for free agency.
this could be interpreted in a number of ways.
Totally different, worlds appart, we groomed Lids form a teenager he was supposed to be and is our future and a big part of the apparent rebuilding...stop grasping at straws...
Prepare for what, I thought the idea would of been to pick up the best players on the maket..... ::)
Obviously
not clutching at straws, just seeing double standards.
Obviously? well the other possibility is obvious to me, but obviously it is not obvious to you. The first thing that comes into your mind is rarely the only option, it just takes a little thought and you will see that there are other interpretations of being ready for free agnecy.
I thought you may have been able to think this through for yourself, but obviously not ::)
No double standards, did you read my post?????
Sorry al forgot you are al-ways right..
No, sorry again not as gifted as you.
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So if we recruited cloke on big money and he then held the club to ransom with this same circus in 2 or 3 years time, you wouldnt slag off at him like you did with delidio?
The club said they were using the money to prepare for free agency.
this could be interpreted in a number of ways.
Totally different, worlds appart, we groomed Lids form a teenager he was supposed to be and is our future and a big part of the apparent rebuilding...stop grasping at straws...
Prepare for what, I thought the idea would of been to pick up the best players on the maket..... ::)
Obviously
not clutching at straws, just seeing double standards.
Obviously? well the other possibility is obvious to me, but obviously it is not obvious to you. The first thing that comes into your mind is rarely the only option, it just takes a little thought and you will see that there are other interpretations of being ready for free agnecy.
I thought you may have been able to think this through for yourself, but obviously not ::)
FFS 30 years of double standards :banghead
Oh good, here comes the penut gallery.....as per usual, only haging around to bait and poo stir.
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No double standards, did you read my post?????
Sorry al forgot you are al-ways right..
No, sorry again not as gifted as you.
That's OK, no apology needed....not too many are.
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Dermie on League Teams the other night sold me more saying the rarest and most expensive commodity in footy are big, monster, key forwards.
Dead right and imagine him and Reiwoldt forward, there is no way teams could stop them both.
Yep. At the moment both Cloke and Jack take best defender and usually a third man up. Even in their poor form at the moment they still get this kind of treatment, but dont show either this respect and they're able to have field days.
Imagine Cloke, Riewoldt, 2011 form Vickery, Martin, and Cotchin and Deledio rotating through once we add midfield depth.
I don't care much for the potentially Cloke circus in 4-5 years. If we don't significantly improve we will probably lose blokes like Deledio anyway.
Yep agree, I think players like Lids and Cotch would love to have Cloke at the club, they loved it when we recruited Brown, well Lids did.
What did you mean by this? Lids was in school when we recruited Browny. What do you mean?
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Dermie on League Teams the other night sold me more saying the rarest and most expensive commodity in footy are big, monster, key forwards.
Dead right and imagine him and Reiwoldt forward, there is no way teams could stop them both.
Yep. At the moment both Cloke and Jack take best defender and usually a third man up. Even in their poor form at the moment they still get this kind of treatment, but dont show either this respect and they're able to have field days.
Imagine Cloke, Riewoldt, 2011 form Vickery, Martin, and Cotchin and Deledio rotating through once we add midfield depth.
I don't care much for the potentially Cloke circus in 4-5 years. If we don't significantly improve we will probably lose blokes like Deledio anyway.
Yep agree, I think players like Lids and Cotch would love to have Cloke at the club, they loved it when we recruited Brown, well Lids did.
What did you mean by this? Lids was in school when we recruited Browny. What do you mean?
He meant Greg Brown, AKA Cleve......
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but other than that, fantastic suggestion :clapping
That's the spirit big man :clapping
Respect your coach man. :whistle
:thumbsup
FFS you learn that in AusKick. :banghead :bow
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Dermie on League Teams the other night sold me more saying the rarest and most expensive commodity in footy are big, monster, key forwards.
Dead right and imagine him and Reiwoldt forward, there is no way teams could stop them both.
Yep. At the moment both Cloke and Jack take best defender and usually a third man up. Even in their poor form at the moment they still get this kind of treatment, but dont show either this respect and they're able to have field days.
Imagine Cloke, Riewoldt, 2011 form Vickery, Martin, and Cotchin and Deledio rotating through once we add midfield depth.
I don't care much for the potentially Cloke circus in 4-5 years. If we don't significantly improve we will probably lose blokes like Deledio anyway.
Yep agree, I think players like Lids and Cotch would love to have Cloke at the club, they loved it when we recruited Brown, well Lids did.
What did you mean by this? Lids was in school when we recruited Browny. What do you mean?
He meant Greg Brown, AKA Cleve......
Aka the Chestal Steamer
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BTW the way he is playing at the moment he isn't worth $400k a year let alone $800k,
While I agree that he's not worth $800K this season, for the last five years he has been top class and in his last full season he was the AA CHF, leading goalkicker at his GF club and leading contested mark in the comp.
The fact he was the leading contested mark has very little to do with the great delivery he gets from the midfield.
The fact he was his club leading goalkicker shows he is the focus of attacks and thus opposition planning.
The fact he was the AA CHF shows he was (in expert opinion) better than any other player for the most important position.
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Dermie on League Teams the other night sold me more saying the rarest and most expensive commodity in footy are big, monster, key forwards.
Dead right and imagine him and Reiwoldt forward, there is no way teams could stop them both.
Yep. At the moment both Cloke and Jack take best defender and usually a third man up. Even in their poor form at the moment they still get this kind of treatment, but dont show either this respect and they're able to have field days.
Imagine Cloke, Riewoldt, 2011 form Vickery, Martin, and Cotchin and Deledio rotating through once we add midfield depth.
I don't care much for the potentially Cloke circus in 4-5 years. If we don't significantly improve we will probably lose blokes like Deledio anyway.
Yep agree, I think players like Lids and Cotch would love to have Cloke at the club, they loved it when we recruited Brown, well Lids did.
was against us getting browny and in the same circumstances would be against it again.
im all for us having a crack at cloke though.
the difference being we traded valuable picks for brown at a time when we should have been trading into them if possible. cloke well he comes for nothing more than his wage if we get him. we still get to use our good picks on our continued rebuild thru youth.no pouring the long term down the gurgler
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Could do with Cloke now......
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Get it done.
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We dont want blokes like Cloke. We need to draft a big strong forward who has played senior footy
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Schulz
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We dont want blokes like Cloke. We need to draft a big strong forward who has played senior footy
Which 3 players do you suggest??
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We dont want blokes like Cloke. We need to draft a big strong forward who has played senior footy
Which 3 players do you suggest??
The Cranbourne FC full forward would be a great start. Dont know how old he is but l reckon he probably has 100+ goals by now. ;D
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We dont want blokes like Cloke. We need to draft a big strong forward who has played senior footy
Which 3 players do you suggest??
The Cranbourne FC full forward would be a great start. Dont know how old he is but l reckon he probably has 100+ goals by now. ;D
"rfc is duty bound to explore all etc etc....." I still can't understand why no club onsidered Saunner from Sandy. There must be some hidden gems somewhere
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Don't need Cloke.
Need Sigmund Freud to analyse them.
Norman Schwarzkopf to pulverise them.
Then a priest to cleanse them.
After that whatever happens happens.
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Need to get Lids Tuck and Ivan into leadership group get rid of erratic jackson and dummy spitting Rewoldt if people have true triers to look up to might inspire them
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Don't need Cloke.
Need Sigmund Freud to analyse them.
Norman Schwarzkopf to pulverise them.
Then a priest to cleanse them.
After that whatever happens happens.
Totally disagree....we need Cloke...I am not talking about his farther, the contract, the money etc....the player we need!!!
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/wasteful-richmond-cops-third-dose-of-heartbreak/story-fnelctok-1226438066435
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Don't need Cloke.
Need Sigmund Freud to analyse them.
Norman Schwarzkopf to pulverise them.
Then a priest to cleanse them.
After that whatever happens happens.
Totally disagree....we need Cloke...I am not talking about his farther, the contract, the money etc....the player we need!!!
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/wasteful-richmond-cops-third-dose-of-heartbreak/story-fnelctok-1226438066435
Would mean Jack gets the second best defender each week.
:thumbsup
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Don't need Cloke.
Need Sigmund Freud to analyse them.
Norman Schwarzkopf to pulverise them.
Then a priest to cleanse them.
After that whatever happens happens.
Totally disagree....we need Cloke...I am not talking about his farther, the contract, the money etc....the player we need!!!
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/wasteful-richmond-cops-third-dose-of-heartbreak/story-fnelctok-1226438066435
Would mean Jack gets the second best defender each week.
:thumbsup
Yep we have to go for it don't we 65, lets get aggressive.
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Price just went up again after the weekend..
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Price just went up again after the weekend..
We should be able pay for him if we offload the crap we have.
Interestingly, I wonder comparatively speaking if Nathan Brown were available now, in the same cost bracket, would we wan't him at the club...YEP.
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There are 2 supposedly good KPP coming up over the next 2 drafts - Hogan from WA who is available as mini draft selection this year and Boyd next year. Can we get one of them?
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Need someone now, get the gorilla in our forward line allowing TV and Maric to alternate ruck duties and resting up front. :clapping
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Need someone now, get the gorilla in our forward line allowing TV and Maric to alternate ruck duties and resting up front. :clapping
And that means that Jack would get the third best opposition defender.
Make it happen
:thumbsup
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That would be top 6 material, let alone top 8.
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Need someone now, get the gorilla in our forward line allowing TV and Maric to alternate ruck duties and resting up front. :clapping
And that means that Jack would get the third best opposition defender.
Make it happen
:thumbsup
Are you coaching the other 17 clubs? ;D If we played Adelaide tomorrow with Cloke in our lineup, Ben Rutten would go to Jack. He is Adelaides best defender. Darren Glass would play on Jack even if we had Cloke. They are fullbacks.
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Need someone now, get the gorilla in our forward line allowing TV and Maric to alternate ruck duties and resting up front. :clapping
And that means that Jack would get the third best opposition defender.
Make it happen
:thumbsup
Are you coaching the other 17 clubs? ;D If we played Adelaide tomorrow with Cloke in our lineup, Ben Rutten would go to Jack. He is Adelaides best defender. Darren Glass would play on Jack even if we had Cloke. They are fullbacks.
Have you ever actually coached a team?
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Yes
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Yes
So an ex-player and an ex-coach?
Makes you special?
:wallywink
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Yes
So an ex-player and an ex-coach?
Makes you special?
:wallywink
No. Not sure what I have done in the past has to do with you saying Jack would get the 3rd best defender if we had Cloke and Maric/Vickery up forward. My theory is that clubs wouldn't do that. I sure as hell wouldn't send my gun full back up the ground to play on Cloke when you have Riewoldt to worry about in the goal square.
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If we played Adelaide tomorrow with Cloke in our lineup, Ben Rutten would go to Jack. He is Adelaides best defender.
Adelaide played Geelong this weekend. Talia played on Hawkins. Rutten played loose in defence and forward before being subbed off.
Just sayin'
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If we played Adelaide tomorrow with Cloke in our lineup, Ben Rutten would go to Jack. He is Adelaides best defender.
Adelaide played Geelong this weekend. Talia played on Hawkins. Rutten played loose in defence and forward before being subbed off.
Just sayin'
Maybe he was carrying something if he was subbed off ;D
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If we played Adelaide tomorrow with Cloke in our lineup, Ben Rutten would go to Jack. He is Adelaides best defender.
Adelaide played Geelong this weekend. Talia played on Hawkins. Rutten played loose in defence and forward before being subbed off.
Just sayin'
Talia = CHB Hawkins = CHF
Rutten = FB ????? = FF since pods was injured. Probally why Rutten floated around, had no one to worry about haha
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why would we bother wreaking the career of Cloke. We cant hit up a target at the best of times, unless our players start playing like Cotchin. Gee l love watching that lad Cotchin play. Got 3 Brownlow medals written all over him.
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Thing that annoys me is Nahas hitting up. He's making an effort but stuff me I doubt he could hold a mark if he had someone on right on his tail. It peees me off when our midgets hit up but Riewoldt is sitting in the square pointing and yelling :lol
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Nahas should be taught to think of the footy as wraps, like how Junior Floyd imagined the ball as toilet rolls in Little Giants.
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Thing that annoys me is Nahas hitting up. He's making an effort but stuff me I doubt he could hold a mark if he had someone on right on his tail. It peees me off when our midgets hit up but Riewoldt is sitting in the square pointing and yelling :lol
Thats all Rewoldt does is sit in the goal square & point the finger at players. l want the bloke out of Richmond. Anyone who thinks that guy is good around the club has rocks in thier head. l bet his missing his mate Conners
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With all the Cloke speculation and discussion I thought I would throw this post on tiger-talk into the mix:
A letter from a collingwood supporter
Dear Travis,
I’m going to keep this brief, as wasting any more oxygen, emotion or brain cells on you than I already have will end up the same way as a paedophile attending a Wiggles concert. Not so good.
You have 256 peers that, like you, have played all four matches from rounds fourteen through seventeen. Defenders, midfielders, forwards big and small, first-gamers, mature-aged recruits, players new to the sport from overseas, players returning from injury, players rotated an inordinate amount of times, players that spend a lot less TOG than you, players affected by the red/green vests etc. 256 players. Of that number, you have touched the ball more times in the last month than only 8% of your peers. Eight per-cent. From watching you in the media throughout your career, I understand that maths may not be your strongest suit, hell, anything remotely academic past year eight is probably not your bread and butter, so I’ll try and make things easier for you. Grab eleven mates. Join them and line up against a wall in order of best to worst, from first to twelfth. Currently Travis, you are twelfth, you are the worst.
And it’s not as if the entire 92% above you is made up of your Swans, Abletts, Thompsons, Boyds and Stantons. No, veterans like Carlton’s Matthew Watson (10 games), West Coast’s Jacob Brennan (11), Bulldog Christian Howard (13), Gold Coast’s Charlie Dixon (17) and Port’s Andrew Moore (20) are all getting more of the pill than you. Let’s not even mention the teenagers who have been getting more touches, names like: Greene, Ellis, Hampton, Treloar, Bennell, Caddy, Atley and Dahlhaus.
“It’s not all about possessions”, I hear you plead. OK, I’ll cut you some slack. You’re a key forward, a marking forward, a power forward. You’ve taken fourteen marks (eight contested) in the last month. Again, almost three-quarters of the league have snaffled more marks in that time, so you’ll struggle to hang your hat on any marking-related stat.
Goal-kicking? You’ve kicked six in the last month, at 1.5 per game (down even on your 1.57 career average). But in reality, are you even a goal-kicker? Let’s chew on that for a moment and compare your career stats versus your (positional) peers – key/leading/power/marking forwards in Franklin, Podsiadly, Brown, Pavlich, Riewoldt (x2) and Roughead. Hell, I’ll even throw the tip-rat Milne into the equation, as even he has managed to pants you over 250+ games the little bugger. That’s you against eight others. I’ll highlight a handful of categories with the leading player’s stat, the second-worst (or 8th of 9) stat and yours. Here goes:
Goals Per game:
BEST – Franklin 3.22 from 156 matches.
8th of NINE – Roughead 1.90 from 151 matches.
CLOKE – 1.57 from 165 matches.
Goal-Kicking Accuracy (never mind Out Of Bounds!):
BEST – Milne at 64.3%
8th of NINE – Franklin at 57.6%
CLOKE – 53.4%
Bags of goals (5+):
BEST – Franklin with 43 x 5+ goal matches
8th of NINE – Podsiadly with 11 bags (from only 54 matches)
CLOKE – 9 x 5+ goal matches
Frequency of kicking a bag of 5+ goals:
BEST – Franklin with one 5+ goal haul every 3.6 matches
8th of NINE – Milne at 1 every 14.0 matches
CLOKE – 1 every 18.3 matches.
So it turns out you’re not really a goal-kicker of any note either.
You’re not taking marks, therefore you’re not getting touches and as a result (not surprisingly given your very average career stats) you’re not kicking goals. Yet Daddy thinks you’re worth $1m+ a year? Let’s re-visit the blokes that sat below you in the stats count recently.
There are twenty-two players that have racked up less than your forty-one touches over the last month. Six of these players have been wearers of the green vest in Lovett-Murray and Campbell (3), Young and Newman (2), Patrick and Harper (1), so it would be unfair to bundle these blokes alongside you due to reduced ground time. Jack Darling (9), Lindsay Thomas (9), Ahmed Saad (7) and Robbie Tarrant (6) have kicked as many or more goals than you have, so they get a tick. Nathan Wilson, Sam Day and Jamie Elliott are still teenagers so it would be unfair to judge them harshly at this stage of their careers. Nick Duigan and Paul Puopolo, in only their second seasons, can be excused using a similar judgement. That leaves only seven blokes (of 256) that you can fairly say you are going better than:
Mike Pyke – a Canadian import whose output includes 22+ hit-outs per match
Matthew Lobbe – a 17-game veteran holding his own with 18 hit-outs per match
LRT and Andrejs Everitt – part of a team that’s gone 4-0 in that period
Matthew Warnock (key defender in a side that gets smashed), Jared Rivers and Justin Koschitzke.
Not too many Brownlows, Colemans or All-Australians in that bunch. Just good, honest toilers. Yet I’d hazard a guess that Daddy is trying to get a contract signed that earns you as much as these seven blokes combined. Yes, you’re a massive unit. Yes, you have a tank that allows you to run all day. Yes, you’ve had one good year (hell, so did Allen Jakovich and Adrian McAdam). But what you have allowed to happen by letting Daddy handle your affairs has been sad/comical/farcical to watch unfold.
I hope you kick twelve against GWS and beat up on them like a flat-track bully. I hope that performance will push to one side the on-field petulance you have shown increasingly of late. I hope you finish the year with a Collingwood flag, but will not be holding my breath on the last one. I also hope that your actions (and Daddy's) this year either see you squeezed out of the club, or forced to take 'unders' like the majority of the Collingwood squad already has.
Actually, I'd prefer you to go to Carlton.
Jack
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/tiger-talk/message/97266 (http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/tiger-talk/message/97266)
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Good to see Jackstar finally admit he is a Collingwood supporter
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I wonder if that dude felt that way in the 2010 GF?
He earns his money both games.
Collingwood fans :wallywink
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I wonder if that dude felt that way in the 2010 GF?
He earns his money both games.
Collingwood fans :wallywink
Deranged lunatics I believe they are
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GET CLOKE...... :gotigers
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Does Cloke block and give good handballs out the back?
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We need Cloke and its as simple as that. Besides Buddy and Pav hes the best available...ya build premiereshp teams around chf......look at this year......why do we bomb it inside 50....no chf.....why does jack get doubled-tripple teamed and smashed.....no chf....why will we miss finals......no chf........when will we make finals......when we have a chf.......what will get us to a flag.......chf........do it Tigers.......pull the trigger
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Does Cloke block and give good handballs out the back?
Needed a double take to read that. Didn't sound too savory at first glance :lol
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:lol
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Does Cloke block and give good handballs out the back?
Nope but he's a good tap on player.
Has eyes at the back of his head does our Trav.
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"Has eyes at the back of his head does our Trav."
Well spoken Mrakov.
Just as his old man did ! :cheers :bow
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"Has eyes at the back of his head does our Trav."
Well spoken Mrakov.
Just as his old man did ! :cheers :bow
Tapped it on well too.
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If we played Adelaide tomorrow with Cloke in our lineup, Ben Rutten would go to Jack. He is Adelaides best defender.
Adelaide played Geelong this weekend. Talia played on Hawkins. Rutten played loose in defence and forward before being subbed off.
Just sayin'
Maybe he was carrying something if he was subbed off ;D
Talia had to play on Jack because he was flogging Rutten. Rutten's about the only player Jack has belted in recent memory. Our ol' mate "Truck" certainly moves like one. :shh woah
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Why isn't this done yet? Didn't leave you much to do. Sign him.
FFS
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Why isn't this done yet? Didn't leave you much to do. Sign him.
FFS
You been on holidays?
:lol
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I wish
Soon :cheers
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Why isn't this done yet? Didn't leave you much to do. Sign him.
FFS
You been on holidays?
:lol
School holidays are still a while off :lol
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Yum yum 8)
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Heard some whispers that Cloke couldn't get his poo to flush last night.
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Heard some whispers that Cloke couldn't get his poo to flush last night.
Yep used the proposed Collingwood contract to wipe. With all those clauses it was never going to end well.
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From BF:
Gerard Healy said last night on 3AW that the Tiges are in the box seat to get Cloke. Mathews agreed and also said we have so much to look forward to as our position doesn't reflect our ladder position. Pointed out in all our losses we have been on average 55% in front in all games.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/travis-cloke.963353/page-15#post-25080875
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GET CLOKE.... :gotigers
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Cloke and Chaplin. Hello boys.
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And Caddy pls
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He'll sign with the pies.
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yep lets get him so then we can all
hit the keyboards lamenting another stuff
up by the RFC.
great just great...
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yep lets get him so then we can all
hit the keyboards lamenting another stuff
up by the RFC.
great just great...
Lol, you might be onto something Rog
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EEA you prick. Digging up old threads about Tambo and Morton. They're not even playing :lol Emergencies still ;D
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No way can I see us forking out huge $$$ for Cloke to compete with the Dees and Freo offers. So the only way I could see him ending up at Punt Rd is if we end up his only club of choice if he decides to leave the Pies (which I don't think he will). With that caveat of us being his preferred club to go to then we would only have to exceed the Pies offer.
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He'll sign with the pies.
Probably but we have to have a crack anyway.
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Does anyone want Collingwood star Travis Cloke?
Jon Anderson
From: Herald Sun
August 04, 2012
GREATER Western Sydney shares pole position with Collingwood in the end-of-season race for Travis Cloke.
The Giants have the cash, the room in their salary cap and, judging by recent comments, the inclination to offer 25-year-old Cloke a five-year contract without a strong emphasis on performance-based stipulations.
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The reality is six clubs, including Collingwood, remain in the race for Cloke. The Magpies are favourites because Cloke is still their player and club insiders remain confident a deal will be done.
At Fremantle he would be sharing those duties with Matthew Pavlich and Nathan Fyfe, but if he became a Blue captain Chris Judd would remain numero uno.
Melbourne has made no secret of its interest while Richmond remains an interested onlooker.
The reality is six clubs, including Collingwood, remain in the race for Cloke. The Magpies are favourites because Cloke is still their player and club insiders remain confident a deal will be done.
But can Melbourne offer Cloke any realistic guarantee of finals success before he retires? Unlikely.
Alternatively, Richmond has more finals potential and Cloke's father David was a dual premiership player for the club in 1974 and 1980.
The problem for the Tigers would be bringing a player in on $850,000 and in doing so upsetting young stars such as Brett Deledio, Jack Riewoldt and Trent Cotchin.
Cotchin went some way to answering that recently when replying in the positive as to whether he would like to see Cloke at Richmond.
Like all players, Cotchin seeks a premiership and knows acquiring Cloke would bring that a lot closer to fruition.
The 12 clubs not in the hunt for Cloke have a variety of reasons for ignoring him, such as salary cap restrictions in the case of Adelaide to an abundance of tall forwards at Essendon.
The Brisbane Lions, still hurting from the Brendan Fevola fiasco, has set their sights on Adelaide's Kurt Tippett in an effort to lure the Gold Coast boy home on significantly less money than Cloke is asking.
Geelong is happy to go with young forwards such as Tom Hawkins, Nathan Vardy and Josh Walker, Hawthorn has Buddy Franklin and Jarryd Roughead who are the same age as Cloke (25), and a promising 20-year-old in 193cm Jack Gunston.
North Melbourne, like Geelong, is focused on developing young key forwards in Tom Curran, Majak Daw, Lachlan Hansen, Cam Pedersen and Robbie Tarrant.
Sydney recently signed up Sam Reid for five years, although the Swans enjoyed success with Barry Hall and Tony Lockett in similar roles.
Brian Taylor, who kicked 100 goals with Collingwood in 1986, is a Cloke fan but said he performs best when playing alongside at least one other tall forward.
"Because he works so hard and leads up the ground so hard, he is someone who creates space for those behind him," Taylor said.
For Collingwood, Chris Dawes and Leigh Brown were the beneficiaries in 2010-11.
"You could imagine it working at Richmond with Jack Riewoldt and possibly Tyrone Vickery."
CLOKE PROS
1: Best contested mark in the game.
2: Capable of kicking 70 goals in a season.
3: Extraordinary work ethic for a 196cm and 108kg athlete
4: Knows what it takes to win finals.
5: Good person within a club environment.
CLOKE CONS
1: High wages can create unrest from within.
2: Inconsistency has been part of his career.
3: Why do it unless a premiership is within five years?
4: How long as he got left given the nature of his role?
5: Does he embrace leadership and responsibility?
WHO WANTS TRAVIS CLOKE?
ADELAIDE
"We haven't discussed it at this time." - chief executive Stephen Trigg.
Jon Anderson's rates the probability that they are interested in Cloke: No
BRISBANE LIONS
"We are pretty comfortable with our young list but will look at free agency at the back end of the season." - communications general manager Dave Donaghy
Probability: No
CARLTON
"He's still at Collingwood. If he decides to leave Collingwood we would be interested to talk with him." - chief executive Greg Swann.
Probability: Yes
ESSENDON
"I can understand why clubs are interested in Travis but he isn't a priority for us. We are pretty strong in the tall areas and recently signed (Michael) Hurley and (Paddy) Ryder to long-term deals." - chief executive Ian Robson.
Probability: No
FREMANTLE
"We will speak to a range of player managers about the contract status of a number of players who are on the AFL's free agency list." - club spokesperson.
Probability: Yes
GEELONG
"No interest at this stage given we have Tom Hawkins, James Podsiadly, Nathan Vardy, Josh Walker and Mitch Brown."- chief executive Brian Cook.
Probability: No
GOLD COAST
"While we won't comment on individual players, we are committed to continuing to strengthen our list. But that won't be to the detriment of the elite young talent we currently have on our list."- list strategy manager Scott Clayton.
Probability: No
GREATER WESTERN SYDNEY
"What 'Sheeds' (Coach Kevin Sheedy) said reflects our position. If circumstances have changed since earlier in the year then we are obligated to have a look."- chief executive David Matthews.
Probability: Yes
HAWTHORN
Refused to comment
Probability: No
MELBOURNE:
"Our club doesn't comment about player contracts." - media manager Ryan Larkin.
Probability: Yes
NORTH MELBOURNE
"The only time we become interested in an opposition player is when he's left his club and Travis hasn't done that and I don't think he will. But we are blessed with a number of key position players." - coach Brad Scott.
Probability: No
PORT ADELAIDE
"Travis is a very good player and I'm sure every club would love to have him on their list but he is not a high priority for us at this stage." - football manager Peter Rohde.
Probability: No
RICHMOND
"We will look at any player who we feel, all things considered, can improve our list and continue to take this club forward." - chief executive Brendon Gale.
Probability: Yes
ST KILDA
"We don't intend pursuing Travis at this stage." - head of football Chris Pelchen.
Probability: No
SYDNEY
"We don't get caught up talking about players from other clubs." - coach John Longmire.
Probability: No
WEST COAST
"We don't discuss our recruiting strategy with anyone publicly." - communications manager Gary Stock.
Probability: No
WESTERN BULLDOGS
"Our number one philosophy is to draft, develop and retain our own, however, we will always look at other mechanisms to enhance our list. Having said that, were not in the mix to secure Travis's services." - list manager Jason McCartney.
Probability: No
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/does-anyone-want-collingwood-star-travis-cloke/story-e6frf9jf-1226442523657
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Just get him! Be ruthless!
Go Tiges!
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Get it done Tiges :clapping
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Get it done and announce it Grand Final week. :gotigers :eyebrow
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GET CLOKE.... :gotigers
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EEA you prick. Digging up old threads about Tambo and Morton. They're not even playing :lol Emergencies still ;D
SORRY!!!! I saw them listed on the afl ins and outs and was expecting to see em get a run >:(
I guess theyre goneskis then, sorry coache"davewa :-\
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I'm not sure about this cloke bloke. Could turn out to be big poke in the eye.
We have the money so chance it bc we have no chf who can take a contested mark
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Must admit i didn't see the game last night but his stats does not command 850k or above the last few weeks ...Smells like early eighties dejuvu ... If i was Collingwood would put a offer on the table which will sow discord at the biggest rivals salary cap & playing group
The Clokes will stuff us again !!!
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I don't understand why posters use the logic that our players would be unhappy with Cloke being ona 5 year deal worth $800 or 900k when his own teammates are going to be happy with him getting a 5 year(conditional final year) deal worth $700-800k.
The difference is marginal in $ and yet the on field difference would be significant.
I'm not even the slightest bit worried by his on field form this year, if rumours are true he's not close at all to Buckley and the bottom line this kid steps up in finals.
I would go as far to say that there is no way we would have lost any of the past 3 games and last night would've been a 10 goals+ win.
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Fair enough i can see your point and his form last week was good against one of the newbies i was harsh on the fella for that i apologise . But i am concerned about retaining our untouchables and heaven forbid if we lose one of them at the expense of this guy the ramifications could be shattering for the club... Looks more likely Chaplin is a done deal ( feels like raiding Fitzroy again ) :whistle and if we can add Cloke to the team and keep the bank balance and harmony in check i am for it also ..
I was wrong
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GET CLOKE... :gotigers
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GET CLOKE... :gotigers
Yeah, I think it's time to go after a 'big fish', CHF. Griff is looking like he will be our 'swing' tall - predominately back. With Chapma,n Astbury and Post as depth. If we get Cloke and Chapman I would be rapt. But what would we have to give up for him? The price will be huge.
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GET CLOKE... :gotigers
Yeah, I think it's time to go after a 'big fish', CHF. Griff is looking like he will be our 'swing' tall - predominately back. With Chapma,n Astbury and Post as depth. If we get Cloke and Chapman I would be rapt. But what would we have to give up for him? The price will be huge.
The reward will be huge and thats we need to focus on.... :
I would love to see Griff at FF with Jack, IMO he is wasted in the , massive roost on the guy.l
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GET CLOKE... :gotigers
Yeah, I think it's time to go after a 'big fish', CHF. Griff is looking like he will be our 'swing' tall - predominately back. With Chapma,n Astbury and Post as depth. If we get Cloke and Chapman I would be rapt. But what would we have to give up for him? The price will be huge.
The reward will be huge and thats we need to focus on.... :
I would love to see Griff at FF with Jack, IMO he is wasted in the , massive roost on the guy.l
Nup, I'm happy with him being able to straddle a zone from the kick-in or kicking an I50 from our defence :o He is also a very smart, attacking user of the ball with his hands down back. I reckon CHB with a licence to go forward at times. But honestly, I'm just glad he's ours :birthday
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GET CLOKE... :gotigers
Yeah, I think it's time to go after a 'big fish', CHF. Griff is looking like he will be our 'swing' tall - predominately back. With Chapma,n Astbury and Post as depth. If we get Cloke and Chapman I would be rapt. But what would we have to give up for him? The price will be huge.
The reward will be huge and thats we need to focus on.... :
I would love to see Griff at FF with Jack, IMO he is wasted in the , massive roost on the guy.l
Nup, I'm happy with him being able to straddle a zone from the kick-in or kicking an I50 from our defence :o He is also a very smart, attacking user of the ball with his hands down back. I reckon CHB with a licence to go forward at times. But honestly, I'm just glad he's ours :birthday
agree with Griff down back - been pleasantly surprised & the other thing is it teaches him about how to play forward for if we do need to "swing" him in the future...his kicking is a real weapon & he appears to be getting more confident with the pace of the game (Post looked better last couple of games too)
if cloke is gettable at the right price we'd be foolish not to go after him - plain & simple...any chance to improve the list with players that are the right age demo must be grabbed....if we are going to "bankrupt" ourselves moving forward then that's another thing all together - however as we've seen over the years, key forwards don't come along all that often & you generally need a couple of bigs to succeed...
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My understanding is why have been paying close to the min salary cap for some time.
And have some rubbish players on decent money.
Should not go close to bankrupt you'd hope
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Definitely no to Cloke. Too expensive and want to have room in salary cap. Need to build team up. Historically speaking expensive imports don't win premierships.
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agree with Griff down back - been pleasantly surprised & the other thing is it teaches him about how to play forward for if we do need to "swing" him in the future...his kicking is a real weapon & he appears to be getting more confident with the pace of the game (Post looked better last couple of games too)
Agree with this mate :thumbsup
if cloke is gettable at the right price we'd be foolish not to go after him - plain & simple...any chance to improve the list with players that are the right age demo must be grabbed....if we are going to "bankrupt" ourselves moving forward then that's another thing all together - however as we've seen over the years, key forwards don't come along all that often & you generally need a couple of bigs to succeed...
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our supporters would be amazed at some of the salaries some of our average players are getting. one who must surely be delisted if he isnt traded for a 4th rounder is on about $400k a year if rumours are correct. that would be about half of what is needed to pay for Cloke.
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Move on McGuane, and all of a sudden the price of Cloke isn't so bad. :whistle
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Move on McGuane, and all of a sudden the price of Cloke isn't so bad. :whistle
;D
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Move on McGuane, and all of a sudden the price of Cloke isn't so bad. :whistle
Amen
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Mcguane has been impressive in the forward line. Kicked 3 and gave off at least 3 on the weekend.
I would be trading out Jackson and Edwards long before I looked at Mcguane. Edwards must have the record for most goals missed from under 15m in the afl. Thats dead money.
We need to get Cloke if we are going to have a competitive forward line. Riewoldt is just too volatile and gets too many of his goals when the game is over or when the opposition are really bad.
Cotchin and Rance both said they want Cloke at the club on the sunday footy show.
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Mcgaune is still rubbish.
I'd like Travis boak.
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Mcguane has been impressive in the forward line. Kicked 3 and gave off at least 3 on the weekend.
I would be trading out Jackson and Edwards long before I looked at Mcguane. Edwards must have the record for most goals missed from under 15m in the afl. Thats dead money.
We need to get Cloke if we are going to have a competitive forward line. Riewoldt is just too volatile and gets too many of his goals when the game is over or when the opposition are really bad.
Cotchin and Rance both said they want Cloke at the club on the sunday footy show.
I agree with you that we need Cloke and should trade out Jackson for a half chewed Twistie if we can. Edwards for mine has proven since the Dreamtime game that as a small forward, he can kick the opportunistic goals and create them with his evasiveness. I wouldn't move him on now and just continue to play him up front.
McG is a spud, kicks 3 when we win by 50 points, but where was he when the game was on the line against Carlton? Had 6 touches for the game or something didn't he? I could have kicked 3 on the weekend and I don't rate myself a superstar, so it's a void argument really. McGuane needs to be moved on just like Jackson. If they don't move him on, then he should be paid the minimum possible amount as he hopefully won't be getting any games next season.
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Personally think McGuane offers more. Great hands, defensive pressure. Physical force and an elite kick for goal.
:fishing
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Whilst Travis will improve is massively, he's still not the answer, and certainly not the answer for 1mil a year for 5 years. If we are going to pay $5mil throw 500k a year at Jonathan Patton to come home and Josh Caddy on 5 years deals.
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lol at not the answer. He is the best CHF in the comp
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admittedly i haven't seen a great deal of each this year, but from what i have i reckon merrit would be better value at CHF, taking into account $ for output
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Merrett. Gun full back. Lions have the luxury of playing him forward
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wonder how much difference it would have made if they had had that luxury saturday night?
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Personally think McGuane offers more. Great hands, defensive pressure. Physical force and an elite kick for goal.
:fishing
More than miller isn't much
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Cloke could be good but at what cost? I'm concerned that his output would not match his pocket size and this may hinder other future trades. I'm very uncertain which was to go on this.
I don't think he will come to the Tigers. I really just think he is trying to squeeze every last cent, year and beneficial condition out of the Pies. I think its got to a stage where the club is sick of dealing with him but at the same time don't want him to go. Cloke and his 'management' will now have to decide whether they will play hard ball themselves, call the Pies bluff and start discussing moving to another club. Hopefully this will be enough to put doubt in Clokes mind and when push comes to shove he realizes that moving away from his team mates etc won't be so bad after all. :pray
I still think that if we move Griffiths forward next year at CHF and have Vickery and Jack leading out from the goal square we won't need Cloke. A godd crumber here and there and the opposition defenders will be struggling to contain them all especially given the amount of ball our midfielders are delivering into the F50 lately. :clapping
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Cloke clunks anything that comes his way. His inclusion can't only be measured by his actions either. Him alongside Jack and TV/Maric as they rest would have opposition defenders pooing themselves before taking the field. Honestly, imagine Jack or Cloke with a defender 1 on 1 . . . they cant double team them both, and if they did, just means some poor bugger has to try and stop TV (when he can extend his arms again - form of 2011) or Maric when resting forward.
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Griffiths would make a good CHF
if he could take a contested mark
if he could play a whole game
if he was fit enough to present
if we could find a better kick from full back
if he could play out a whole season
Cloke will make a good CHF
if he puts on a Richmond jumper.
I still think that if we move Griffiths forward next year at CHF and have Vickery and Jack leading out from the goal square we won't need Cloke. A godd crumber here and there and the opposition defenders will be struggling to contain them all especially given the amount of ball our midfielders are delivering into the F50 lately. :clapping
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lol at not the answer. He is the best CHF in the comp
When was the last time you watched football? 2011?
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lol at not the answer. He is the best CHF in the comp
When was the last time you watched football? 2011?
No, I have watched some footy this year. Cloke is down on form but he's the best contested mark of all time. The proof is there. People reckon he's having a poor year but he's still taken more contested marks than anyone else in the competition. How many has he kicked? 40 odd? You don't reckon he is "the answer"? What the stuff is he then? Not good enough to get a game for Richmond? Give me a spell. He is a gun and we should do our best to get him here.
Remember when you said you were involved with a TAC club and Tigermonk exposed you? I thought that was funny.
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Get Cloke TIGES!! DO IT!
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No, I have watched some footy this year.
Port games don't count brah
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Agree with the good coach, people somehow don't think contested marking is difficult to do?
It's got to be the hardest and most valuable skill in the game -even today's game
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No, I have watched some footy this year.
Port games don't count brah
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Trav is looking for some more gaffer tape and a lift to punt road
(http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2012/06/29/1226412/378777-travis-cloke.jpg)
help him out lads
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Griffiths would make a good CHF
if he could take a contested mark
if he could play a whole game
if he was fit enough to present
if we could find a better kick from full back
if he could play out a whole season
Cloke will make a good CHF
if he puts on a Richmond jumper.
A lot of sense in this post.
I have heard a lot about how Griffiths, Post, Vickery, Astbury and Elton are going to be the MAN but in reality all are still just young talls in development. Probably 3 in 5 won't even make it.
We need a seasoned player to take the weight and let those guys develop without carrying the load.
Cloke's recruitment makes a lot of sense to me. We need some muscle.
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Merrett. Gun full back. Lions have the luxury of playing him forward
Luxury? :huh
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They got plenty of defenders
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Yeah, saw them in their droves on Sat night.
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Staker and Goose werent playing + other solid players. Are you saying Staker and Maguire couldn't hold down a KPD spot (along with Patful down there) to release Merrett up forward? If so, why has Merrett played forward most of the year? And didn't you say he was an average player earlier in the season :allears
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Griffiths would make a good CHF
if he could take a contested mark
if he could play a whole game
if he was fit enough to present
if we could find a better kick from full back
if he could play out a whole season
Cloke will make a good CHF
if he puts on a Richmond jumper.
A lot of sense in this post.
I have heard a lot about how Griffiths, Post, Vickery, Astbury and Elton are going to be the MAN but in reality all are still just young talls in development. Probably 3 in 5 won't even make it.
We need a seasoned player to take the weight and let those guys develop without carrying the load.
Cloke's recruitment makes a lot of sense to me. We need some muscle.
Griffiths does need to get on top of injuries but he certainly has time on his side. He has shown he can roost the ball 70m+ with a straight kick and is certainly a excellent contested mark but hasn't shown this in his present role as a spoiler. On curent form there is no comparison between the two - Cloke has the runs on the board but the reality is is that 1) Cloke is unlikely to leave the Pies, 2) he will cost us a cool $1 mill and 3) he has a Dad who is an interfering git.
Griffiths is 1) already wearig a Richmond jumper ;D
I really think this argument is a waste of time - he's unlikely to go anywhere but if he comes to Tigerland I won't be complaining.
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Has Griff showed his excellent contested marking in Richmond or Coburg games? I don't think he has yet. If Griff is a great CM then so is Benny Nason. I'm hoping BG has a great pre-season and plays CHF next year (unless we bring home Clokey) but by stuff are his injuries annoying
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Staker and Goose werent playing + other solid players. Are you saying Staker and Maguire couldn't hold down a KPD spot (along with Patful down there) to release Merrett up forward? If so, why has Merrett played forward most of the year? And didn't you say he was an average player earlier in the season :allears
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Ok, one by one:
So there weren't any other "solid" players playing on Sat night then? In my books that doesn't equate to "luxury".
I didn't mention Staker or MacGuire as they were not playing and irrelevant to my point, and I noticed Patfull's 12 possession game earned him a mention in SEN's Bottom 5. A "luxury" you say?
Merret has played forward because Voss has been bereft of ideas and talent up forward while Brown was missing. 1740 points against for the season thus far does not scream "luxury" of defensive riches to me.
No, I never ever said he was average. Here are my 3 quotes on him:
"Merrett is overrated."
"I don't think his output or results have been near as impressive since the Lions slid down the ladder. He was partially made look good by a very good team and is now struggling to have the same impact as he did a few years back. A good ordinary defender imho."
"I still think his best football is past him and was in part due to the quality of players around him back then. He might regain that form in another good side but he is now injury prone and approaching 30. An unacceptable risk at the cost to our club but again, only my opinion."
And nothing that I have seen since writing that has given me cause to change my mind, especially Sat night watching him get his 11 possessions live against our undermanned and out of sorts forward line. If ever an opportunity presented itself to an elite defender then Sat night was it but all I saw was what I had earlier opined above.
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re Patfull; Did you bag Gaspar when he didn't rack up big numbers :lol Since when has a defenders game been about disposals? As 65' would say "honestly, WGAF?" Shutting down your man is your first priority.
"I didn't mention Staker or MacGuire as they were not playing and irrelevant to my point"
What point? You didn't make any. I said Brisbane have had the luxury of using Merrett as a forward because they have other options down back. You replied with "Luxury?"...........So do you think Brisbane have had the luxury of using him forward or not? Goose pulled out against us so he had to go down back. In a lot of other games they have been able to use him forward. Like that game where the dud bagged 8
:fishing
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re Patfull; Did you bag Gaspar when he didn't rack up big numbers :lol Since when has a defenders game been about disposals? As 65' would say "honestly, WGAF?" Shutting down your man is your first priority.
Was never a big Gaspar fan so probably not the best example to bring up. Too dodgy in his execution for mine, even though he achieved AA one year I never rated him as high as that, and his subsequent years tended to lean to my way of thinking. FWIW I am a believer in the "best method of defence is attack" theory and I can't abide it when defenders (and we have a cultural mortgage on this) invite pressure back into their zone and onto themselves and the team by propping, stopping and looking backwards instead of referring the pressure upfield to a more neutral zone. That's why I do place importance on disposal stats for a defender, just as I place importance on defensive stats for a forward - they are both critical to a team's success.
"I didn't mention Staker or MacGuire as they were not playing and irrelevant to my point"
What point? You didn't make any. I said Brisbane have had the luxury of using Merrett as a forward because they have other options down back. You replied with "Luxury?"...........So do you think Brisbane have had the luxury of using him forward or not? Goose pulled out against us so he had to go down back. In a lot of other games they have been able to use him forward. Like that game where the dud bagged 8
My point was exactly as you said it - what luxury? I thought I had made that obvious with my reply but I will say it again, I don't think Brisbane have any such luxury of being able to play Merrett forward. They are robbing Peter to pay Paul and that can only ever end up in tears. Remind me again how well this has worked for them this year? His 7 goal game was in a 92 point mauling of GWS - do you really want to put that up there as proof of your point? Bloody hell, Mopsy and I would have shared 10 between us that day. In his debut year of 2005 he played predominately as a forward and kicked 13 goals in 15 games. Between then and last season he played 98 games mainly as a defender and kicked 4 goals. This season, with Brown out and Voss desperately trying to hang on to his coaching career he has played 18 games between forward and back and kicked 26 goals. Not a bad return but the pay off has been in the profuse defensive bleeding and at some point you always have to pay the ferryman for the ride. Luxury? No, I don't believe so.
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You're a good man, Smokey. Good post. Still, I don't think the Lions' backline is the problem. Like us a few years ago they have a lot of young kids (and some donkeys) but they will get better. I'm sure Voss would love two Merrett's. I'd love him at Richmond.
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Fair enough Coach, a difference of opinion is what makes the world go around! FWIW if Merrett was a couple of years younger I would have him at Richmond in a heartbeat and I know that he is still one of Voss' key men but I just think that he wouldn't be the best fit for us right now.
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Adelaide has joined the race for Cloke.
As for what's on the table from other clubs, Robbo has Richmond offering $1m over 5 years as an example.
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Adelaide hovers over Travis Cloke
Mark Robinson
From: Herald Sun
August 10, 2012
ADELAIDE has joined the fight for Travis Cloke, prompted by fears it may lose Kurt Tippett to either Brisbane or Gold Coast.
The Crows are the sixth club to make contact with Cloke's management.
Of the six - Fremantle, Melbourne, Richmond, Carlton, Greater Western Sydney and now Adelaide - three have tabled offers and the other three have indicated they will, or else have a strong interest in the power forward.
The offers will range from about $950,000 a season to $1.1 million over five years.
The Magpies' offer is about $800,000 a season over four years with a fifth year available on an incentive-based formula.
The Cloke situation will heat up from October 1 when he becomes a restricted free agent.
The Cloke camp has from October 1 to October 19 to table an offer from a rival club - for example, Richmond at $1 million a year over five years.
The Magpies have until October 22 to match the offer.
Collingwood has tabled an offer that has been refused by Cloke's management.
It's clear the Magpies won't match any rival offer for Cloke.
The difference between the best offer and Collingwood's offer is about $1.7 million over five years.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/adelaide-hovers-over-travis-cloke-amid-fears-kurt-tippett-will-leave/story-e6frf9jf-1226447077748
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You're a good man, Smokey. Good post. Still, I don't think the Lions' backline is the problem. Like us a few years ago they have a lot of young kids (and some donkeys) but they will get better. I'm sure Voss would love two Merrett's. I'd love him at Richmond.
Yeah I would love Merritt too CD. I have been on the Merritt wagon for a while now, love the way he goes about it at both ends.
On the Cloke note, it's great to see the Tigers have put an offer forward, I really hope we get Cloke...let the games begin.... :gotigers
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On the Cloke note, it's great to see the Tigers have put an offer forward, I really hope we get Cloke...let the games begin.... :gotigers
Where does it say we've "put an offer forward"?
It says we are one of 6 clubs to contact his management and of those six; 3 have put formal offers on the table. Doesn't say one of them is us. From previous reports though we know Freo is one of those 3
It then use the RFC as example of what another club could offer Travi$.
All journalistic speculation at this time
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On the Cloke note, it's great to see the Tigers have put an offer forward, I really hope we get Cloke...let the games begin.... :gotigers
Where does it say we've "put an offer forward"?
It says we are one of 6 clubs to contact his management and of those six; 3 have put formal offers on the table. Doesn't say one of them is us. From previous reports though we know Freo is one of those 3
It then use the RFC as example of what another club could offer Travi$.
All journalistic speculation at this time
Yes ok then WP..
"The Cloke camp has from October 1 to October 19 to table an offer from a rival club - for example, Richmond at $1 million a year over five years"
An example, yes, but we will put an offer in and it should be in this ballpark, IMO!!
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I see you have increased your view on what cloke is worth WAT.
you would be an auctioneers dream.
What collonwoood have offered is a fair offer IMO.
$1m for 5 years is a big price and he would want to earn it if someone paid it, particularly if that someone was us
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Just get him FFS
Then we're back jack
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I see you have increased your view on what cloke is worth WAT.
you would be an auctioneers dream.
What collonwoood have offered is a fair offer IMO.
$1m for 5 years is a big price and he would want to earn it if someone paid it, particularly if that someone was us
Agree Al, 1m for 5 yrs is a lot. 800k over 5 yrs is plenty.
If he wants 1m a season then that's fine for the first 4 years and then performance based For the 5th year. Its still 200 more a season than pies and he may still make the same in the final year. If he wants it he needs to deliver.
Save 800k
I'm happy to get him, but we have bigger issues than just needing a fuctioning fwd line. One of thos is depth and leadership.
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So much fuss over 800k or $1m.
The key issue for me is do we want him or not?
The re$t can be worked out by the money men at the RFC.
Cloke is a required player IMO.
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So much fuss over 800k or $1m.
The key issue for me is do we want him or not?
The re$t can be worked out by the money men at the RFC.
Cloke is a required player IMO.
Agreed, regardless if you like him as a person or his family, he is a gun player that would improve our forward half dramatically. He has plenty of years in front of him also.
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So much fuss over 800k or $1m.
The key issue for me is do we want him or not?
The re$t can be worked out by the money men at the RFC.
Cloke is a required player IMO.
If he came in and performed, then what you pay for him would be be quickly forgotten.
On the other hand, if he only gave average return, for what you tie up in your salary cap, for 5 years, then you have long lasting ramifications.
with a salary cap, return for investment becomes important
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I see you have increased your view on what cloke is worth WAT.
you would be an auctioneers dream.
What collonwoood have offered is a fair offer IMO.
$1m for 5 years is a big price and he would want to earn it if someone paid it, particularly if that someone was us
No I have increased my view on what a GF is worth.
Whats 200k difference, is it the difference in money or flag prospects al??
BTW Every player we recruit has the "average return" prospect, 3 years or 5 years, not much difference, look what we have been stuck with in the past...some for longer than 5 years and no where near the calibre of Cloke. An average day out for Cloke is a great day out for a few of our current players.
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Whats 200k difference, is it the difference in money or flag prospects al??
Difference in money. I don't think paying Cloke 1m instead of 800k is going to make our flag prospects higher
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Good enough for Sexy Snake Simmonds, good enough for Clokey :thumbsup
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I see you have increased your view on what cloke is worth WAT.
you would be an auctioneers dream.
What collonwoood have offered is a fair offer IMO.
$1m for 5 years is a big price and he would want to earn it if someone paid it, particularly if that someone was us
No I have increased my view on what a GF is worth.
Whats 200k difference, is it the difference in money or flag prospects al??
BTW Every player we recruit has the "average return" prospect, 3 years or 5 years, not much difference, look what we have been stuck with in the past...some for longer than 5 years and no where near the calibre of Cloke. An average day out for Cloke is a great day out for a few of our current players.
3 years 5 years not much difference? Hmm
I cant see how past mistakes is a justification for anything, not that we have ever signed anyone up for longer than five years that I can recall.
I thought your assessment of what you thought cloke would be worth paying a few pages back was fair, but now it's increased by 20%. Is there an upper limit to his worth, or is it simply impossible to pay too much for such a superstar?
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FFS lets just pay him 2mil a season and get rid of Martin and Cotchin while were at it :lol
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Whats 200k difference, is it the difference in money or flag prospects al??
Difference in money. I don't think paying Cloke 1m instead of 800k is going to make our flag prospects higher
Thats not what I meant... paying another 200k to get a player that could be the difference between a flag and not winning a flag is what I meant. Sorry I thought that was clear... :-\
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I see you have increased your view on what cloke is worth WAT.
you would be an auctioneers dream.
What collonwoood have offered is a fair offer IMO.
$1m for 5 years is a big price and he would want to earn it if someone paid it, particularly if that someone was us
No I have increased my view on what a GF is worth.
Whats 200k difference, is it the difference in money or flag prospects al??
BTW Every player we recruit has the "average return" prospect, 3 years or 5 years, not much difference, look what we have been stuck with in the past...some for longer than 5 years and no where near the calibre of Cloke. An average day out for Cloke is a great day out for a few of our current players.
3 years 5 years not much difference? Hmm
I cant see how past mistakes is a justification for anything, not that we have ever signed anyone up for longer than five years that I can recall.
I thought your assessment of what you thought cloke would be worth paying a few pages back was fair, but now it's increased by 20%. Is there an upper limit to his worth, or is it simply impossible to pay too much for such a superstar?
Well 2 years, like I said we have players now that we have had for longer that don't perform....
No justification needed really, I didn't say "longer than 5 years" I said 5 years....Darren Gasper..
GF's are getting harder to win, the window is now smaller with the inclusion of GWS and GC, 20% harder to win one now... :thumbsup
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no justification needed, yet you still raise past mistakes as if that justifies something?
Is there a ceiling on what cloke is worth, or is it simply impossible to pay too much for him?
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STFU al
we're getting him, that's all that matters ;D
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:lol
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no justification needed, yet you still raise past mistakes as if that justifies something?
Is there a ceiling on what cloke is worth, or is it simply impossible to pay too much for him?
"If he came in and performed, then what you pay for him would be be quickly forgotten. On the other hand, if he only gave average return"
Above is what you said al, what difference is this to mistakes we have made in the past?? So to use this statement now, why haven't we said that with all the players we picked in the past that didn't work out??
Yep, would not go over 1m, 5 years, maybe 4 years. That would be my cap!
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the difference to the mistakes of the past is that we havnt paid any of those players what would be the top 5 wages in the league, (perhaps even the top 2? is there anyone else besides ablett on that money?).
as i have said though, mistakes of the past are not justification for anything. If anything, they should pose a warning about overating players.
$1million to me is too much to pay for 1 player, although I acknowledge more will demand and get that in the future. (I can see cotch ending up on that sort of money)
Thanks for answering though. My suspicion is a bidding war could push it higher than that and he will probably go to one of the highest bidders, if he leaves
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the difference to the mistakes of the past is that we havnt paid any of those players what would be the top 5 wages in the league, (perhaps even the top 2? is there anyone else besides ablett on that money?).
as i have said though, mistakes of the past are not justification for anything. If anything, they should pose a warning about overating players.
$1million to me is too much to pay for 1 player, although I acknowledge more will demand and get that in the future. (I can see cotch ending up on that sort of money)
Thanks for answering though. My suspicion is a bidding war could push it higher than that and he will probably go to one of the highest bidders, if he leaves
So take a risk, we need to.....Falou highest paid player in the League!!
Falou was a warning...was Ablett???
If it gets into a bidding war above 1m and 4-5 years then we need to walk away..
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Walk away? **** that. Brown paper bag him, soak up the grease, and march on to sausage roll town.
Just get Clokey to the Tiges.
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Walk away? **** that. Brown paper bag him, soak up the grease, and march on to sausage roll town.
Just get Clokey to the Tiges.
I like the cut of your jib.
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my jib is haute
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with a salary cap, return for investment becomes important
True but you could well say that for Deledio. Cloke is a player of proven quality.
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Yes yes yes, let the clokes pull their gypsy caravans up at punt road and watch the carnival begin
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We won't get him.
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We won't get him.
Thats it, keep up that positive vibe. ::)
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We won't get him.
Thats it, keep up that positive vibe. ::)
He's right though, we wont, his deal is already done
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We won't get him.
Thats it, keep up that positive vibe. ::)
He's right though, we wont, his deal is already done
True, but if there is a glimmer of hope..... :pray
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Come home Clokey. done my hammy again
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Come home Clokey. done my hammy again
We all love the coach but this thread is not about you. Its about the almighty one. :bow
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Yep noone cares that you pulled a hammy bending over to pick up a taco Jock
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Whats 200k difference, is it the difference in money or flag prospects al??
Difference in money. I don't think paying Cloke 1m instead of 800k is going to make our flag prospects higher
Thats not what I meant... paying another 200k to get a player that could be the difference between a flag and not winning a flag is what I meant. Sorry I thought that was clear... :-\
Then 1m is the difference not 200k cause you either pay him nothing or the 1m to get him
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Chuck 500 grand at Jezza Cameron if Clokey pokes the pooch
Kid is as good a mark and a much better kick
Stuffing do it anyway
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Come home Clokey. done my hammy again
We all love the coach but this thread is not about you. Its about the almighty one. :bow
Apologies. Thank you for having the courage to pull me up :bow The one man greater than me is Clokey. Come home Clokey
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Whats 200k difference, is it the difference in money or flag prospects al??
Difference in money. I don't think paying Cloke 1m instead of 800k is going to make our flag prospects higher
Thats not what I meant... paying another 200k to get a player that could be the difference between a flag and not winning a flag is what I meant. Sorry I thought that was clear... :-\
Then 1m is the difference not 200k cause you either pay him nothing or the 1m to get him
:huh :huh :huh..follow the posts....
GET CLOKE..... :gotigers
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Chuck 500 grand at Jezza Cameron if Clokey pokes the pooch
Kid is as good a mark and a much better kick
Stuffing do it anyway
which would leave $500k to throw at another midfielder
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would looooove Cameron but can't see that happening...also pretty sure we won't be getting Cloke....if we don't or if his deal is already done, where should our attention turn next?
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Jezza is out of contract
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Jezza is out of contract
^ would much rather throw a few quids this kids way then...going to dominate for years to come....also leaves some cash to splash on some other areas/another mid....
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Camerons an overated dud
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Played ok yesterday TM. FWIW I think he will become a decent player and would be a good get (cost-wise) while he is still young.
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Played ok yesterday TM. FWIW I think he will become a decent player and would be a good get (cost-wise) while he is still young.
We talking about Jeremey Cameron from GWS smokey?
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I am. Is there another Cameron I'm getting confused with?
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Played ok yesterday TM. FWIW I think he will become a decent player and would be a good get (cost-wise) while he is still young.
Back to topic, I have it on good authority that if he wasnt taken as a prelisted 17 y/o, he would have likely been pick 1 ahead of Paton. He wouldnt be cheap and GWS would sell every staff members own mother to keep him. Hes the real deal and will be one of the premier power fwds in the comp. Dont worry about the rubbish I posted earlier ;) that was just for chucky17 who keeps telling me what a lazy overated hack Cameron is. :shh
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:lol
Didn't pick up on the fishing smiley! Thought you might be underestimating him slightly. :thumbsup
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Can play both ends and wing. Richoesque tank. Hands like a steel trap. Dead eye dick. Whoa :shh
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Can play both ends and wing. Richoesque tank. Hands like a steel trap. Dead eye dick. Whoa :shh
Prodigy Gerks? Whoa, just whoa partner
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We need a fair dinkum key forward. Targets: Clokey, Cameron & Schulz.
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Patton is better than Cameron
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Patton is better than Cameron
Yeah, right.
;D
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I am. Is there another Cameron I'm getting confused with?
Craig. Big bodies bullocking type. Reckons he might be able to play CHF next year if he can't get McGuane to agree to a 4-year deal.
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According to Whispers on 3aw last night, Melbourne are now willing to offer Cloke $7.1m on a 7 year deal.
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According to Whispers on 3aw last night, Melbourne are now willing to offer Cloke $7.1m on a 7 year deal.
Cool, so they're gonna have a 2mil a year fwd line.
What's left for the midfield that they don't have? Or young defenders when come of age??
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According to Whispers on 3aw last night, Melbourne are now willing to offer Cloke $7.1m on a 7 year deal.
Cool, so they're gonna have a 2mil a year fwd line.
What's left for the midfield that they don't have? Or young defenders when come of age??
Who cares? A team well placed for salary cap room will be looking at Trengrove, Frawley and Grimes, and licking their chops in anticipation.
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hope the MFC get the Cloke Hillbillies. :thumbsup
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GET CLOKE..:gotigers
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According to Whispers on 3aw last night, Melbourne are now willing to offer Cloke $7.1m on a 7 year deal.
As much as I would love that to happen just too see their young players pillaged by other clubs when they come of age, or the event of Cloke or Clarke suffer career threatening injuries, surely the AFL would intervene such idiocy? I don't think the AFL would be too pleased about continuing to hand over cash to keep this joke club afloat just to sit by and watch it get pee'd against the wall.
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Well if the Dees are willing to pay that much for that many years they can't be serious. Honestly by the time they look like playing finals Cloke will be gone....
Honesty Dees wake up.
Cloke will only go for the money if this is the case because he won't play in another GF if he goes to the Dees.
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I love how the Dees seem to bidding against themselves
5.5 over 5 years
6 over 6 years
7.1 over 7
lol no-one else has said a peep and the Dees just keep going up and up
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who is this whispers?
what name does he go by on Big Footy?
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I love how the Dees seem to bidding against themselves
5.5 over 5 years
6 over 6 years
7.1 over 7
lol no-one else has said a peep and the Dees just keep going up and up
Cloke's must be rejecting every offer they make, hence it keeps going up and up.
He won't go to Melbourne. If he doesn't stay at Collingwood, then he will end up at Carlton or here. Can't see any other Vic club that has the 'promise' of playing finals soon that can afford him. I don't think he will want to move interstate.
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I just hope the hell he doesn't end up at Carlscum, if we miss out I hope he does go to the Dees.
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havent learnt from Templeton and Moore days
knock yourselves out Dees.. :lol
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I love how the Dees seem to bidding against themselves
5.5 over 5 years
6 over 6 years
7.1 over 7
lol no-one else has said a peep and the Dees just keep going up and up
It's like Homer Simpson buying a car
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hope the MFC get the Cloke Hillbillies. :thumbsup
David Cloke's mo has no place in the MCC.
The Melbourne Ladies will be talking Pride and Prejudice and Cloke's mum will be looking dumbfounded at them and then replying that she has the whole Gold Box Set of Kath and Kim.
High tea at the G indeed. :lol :rollin :lol
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Julie can run the raffles. :thumbsup
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Cloke's must be rejecting every offer they make, hence it keeps going up and up.
:lol Who could blame him!
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David Cloke's mo has no place in the MCC.
Lynden Dunn says hi.
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Cloke will stil be cheaper for the Dees thanthe father and son Scully package
:wallywink
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We need to mount a full frontal Assalt for this bloke, Cloke and Merritt for mine...
Honestly RFC.. Wake up, we have no chance with the crop we have, bar a few.
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X52805
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cant wait till next pre season at PRO
donkey rides for all the kids, Julie
is packing up the hobby farm for the kids. :gobdrop
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We need to mount a full frontal Assalt for this bloke, Cloke and Merritt for mine...
Honestly RFC.. Wake up, we have no chance with the crop we have, bar a few.
Not your best post WAT, I'm sure the club is well aware of what needs to be done.
They have been gearing up for Free Agency for years FFS.
Have a little faith.
:cheers
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cant wait till next pre season at PRO
donkey rides for all the kids, Julie
is packing up the hobby farm for the kids. :gobdrop
Julie can have a black and white Jeep and go driving on the weekends. ;D
Go get him Tiges.
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my people will be meeting his people.
:thumbsup
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Get it done, Tiges :clapping
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Reid and Fasolo re-signing must mean the pie (excuse the pun) at Collingwood must be shrinking for Cloke. The Clokes still want a 5-year new deal.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/contract-saga-no-distraction-for-travis-cloke/story-e6frf9io-1226455251747
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Word around the campfire is Cloke & co are heading to Punt Rd for a meeting today
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/travis-cloke.963353/page-29#post-25328250
I finally got around to making an account so that if anyone who knows something about something ;)
If they can PM me then I'd really appreciate it :thumbsup
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Word around the campfire is Cloke & co are heading to Punt Rd for a meeting today
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/travis-cloke.963353/page-29#post-25328250
I finally got around to making an account so that if anyone who knows something about something ;)
If they can PM me then I'd really appreciate it :thumbsup
Welcome Hooch
But here's a tip rumours are called rumours for a reason ;D
And Big Footy rumours are usually so far off the mark so I wouldn't get to too excited ;D
Finally, one of Trav Clokes manager's outside of Damir is one Ralph Carr who just so happens to be Dustin Martin's manager so Ralph Carr sightings at Punt Road are more liklely to be about Martin than Cloke
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Mick Molloy was actually playing around with Eddie this morning asking why Trav's mob were coming to Punt Rd today. Eddie defused it with a shrug and moved on. But as WP said, it may just have been to do with Martin.
I still think we're in the hunt though. Though rumours are just that, if the one about Melbourne are true that they've gone from $7 mill to $7.1mill means he isn't interested and it would be between us and Carlton.
With the Pies locking in Reid and Fasolo now after Beams and co, I imagine the curtains are fallin for Cloke at Collingwood.
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Unless Cloke takes Collingwood's offer for 4 years, he wont be there.
They have clearly told him this is the best he is getting, and started to sign other players around that deal (therefore showing him he isn't going to get any better from them).
If he wants 5 years, it will be at either Carlton or Richmond. I can't see him leaving Victoria and it's laughable to think that he would go to Melbourne (although, stranger things have happened and money does talk).
I think we are in the box seat if he doesn't sign, which would be good recruiting via FA if we get both Chaplin and Cloke.
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Article in the MX you get on the train had an article with Reiwoldt. He just went on to say his 'happy with Vickery to play alongside but if Cloke decided he wanted to play for Richmond you can't complain, aslong as its not about the money. If its big money his after then Richmond isnt the place to be.'
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Jack should just STFU about such things.
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Jack should just STFU about such things.
WTF does he think he is. I'm sure you still take your match payments when you play like poo, Jack (which isn't rare). You ain't fit to lace Clokey's boots, so STFU and enjoy being our best forward for a bit longer. Until we bring home Clokey.
;D
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RFC_Official on BF put the rumour to bed.
Hate to rain on the parade of this rumor, but footy department have their day off on Wednesday. Only people working there today is recruiters.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/travis-cloke.963353/page-30#post-25331940
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Jack should just STFU about such things.
WTF does he think he is. I'm sure you still take your match payments when you play like poo, Jack (which isn't rare). You ain't fit to lace Clokey's boots, so STFU and enjoy being our best forward for a bit longer. Until we bring home Clokey.
;D
;D jack needs to keep a lid on things
I no longer have any intrest in getting cloke, but what ever happens happens.
Cloke at CHF flanked by martin and edwards and jack in FF flanked by nahas and vickery (rotating ruck with ivan) could be quite dangerous. Although most of us would agree titch and nahas could/ should be upgraded.
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RFC_Official on BF put the rumour to bed.
Hate to rain on the parade of this rumor, but footy department have their day off on Wednesday. Only people working there today is recruiters.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/travis-cloke.963353/page-30#post-25331940
He didn't say they haven't met. ;)
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RFC_Official on BF put the rumour to bed.
Hate to rain on the parade of this rumor, but footy department have their day off on Wednesday. Only people working there today is recruiters.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/travis-cloke.963353/page-30#post-25331940
Woah so they were talking to recruiters today then :shh ;D
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RFC_Official on BF put the rumour to bed.
Hate to rain on the parade of this rumor, but footy department have their day off on Wednesday. Only people working there today is recruiters.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/travis-cloke.963353/page-30#post-25331940
RFC_O never comes out of the woodwork? let alone to dispel rumors....
must be a slow day in the office if they're looking up Cloke threads on BF ;)
Operation Cloke is commencing :cheers
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You ain't fit to lace Clokey's boots
Yep, Clokey has really shown that with his form and his ability to stuff around his own club this year hasnt he, Coach?
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You ain't fit to lace Clokey's boots
Yep, Clokey has really shown that with his form and his ability to stuff around his own club this year hasnt he, Coach?
What he has shown us this year is that he is preparing for another 5 years of misery down at punt rd that's for sure!
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FORMER Collingwood coach Mick Malthouse believes star forward Travis Cloke is a 50-50 chance to quit the club at the end of this season.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/145384/default.aspx
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Please Please NO
All I will say
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Get it done, Tiges :clapping
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It's a no from me. Not enough value for money. The karma aspect of stealing a Cloke in his prime appeals to me but he is just too pricey. Someone will pay him what he wants, but I hope it's not Richmond.
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That article today was bizarre. Reckon he is out of there.
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If it's all about money which it probably is :yep Then save the bucks and chuck a little bit less in the Goddard direction :yep :yep
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Get it done, Tiges :clapping
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Get it done, Tiges :clapping
Already have. :shh
(Oi journos I'm joking...looking at you Parrot. :thumbsup)
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Get it done, Tiges :clapping
Already have. :shh
(Oi journos I'm joking...looking at you Parrot. :thumbsup)
(http://learnenglishteens.britishcouncil.org/sites/teens/files/styles/article/public/field/image/istock_000004280887small.jpg)
Damn, cover is blown :P
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Get it done, Tiges :clapping
:thumbsup
Get it done, Gerks :clapping
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Get it done, Tiges :clapping
Already have. :shh
(Oi journos I'm joking...looking at you Parrot. :thumbsup)
(http://learnenglishteens.britishcouncil.org/sites/teens/files/styles/article/public/field/image/istock_000004280887small.jpg)
Damn, cover is blown :P
:lol
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numbers have been exchanged.
operation Donkey now full steam
ahead.
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numbers have been exchanged.
operation Donkey now full steam
ahead.
Thanks mate :thumbsup
Havin a poo day and that put a smile on my face
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(http://i47.tinypic.com/2rlyz41.jpg)
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:lol
just needs a smudge of brown on his upper lip
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:lol :lol Top work MM.
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send it into the footy show
sams mailbag. :thumbsup
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So any more news on Cloke, I mean real news before this thread digresses any further like all the others do... ::)
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So any more news on Cloke, I mean real news before this thread digresses any further like all the others do... ::)
Has signed. Just not sure where.
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So any more news on Cloke, I mean real news before this thread digresses any further like all the others do... ::)
Has signed. Just not sure where.
:thumbsup........well lets hope its with us!!
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So any more news on Cloke, I mean real news before this thread digresses any further like all the others do... ::)
Has signed. Just not sure where.
:thumbsup........well lets hope its with us!!
Carlton apparently turned their attention to Goddard.
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no chance of cloke coming to richmond. None.
Will either stay at the pies or go to carlton
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No chance. None.
LMFAO
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Yep, no chance Clarke was going to Melbourne last year either :whistle :whistle
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The Clokes are Tiger legends. Dave will do the right thing. He will bring Clokey home :shh
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So any more news on Cloke, I mean real news before this thread digresses any further like all the others do... ::)
Has signed. Just not sure where.
I doubt it. The only club he can sign with at this point is Colonwoood and we would have heard about it
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Clokey is home right where he is at Collingwood.
RFC should be a Cloke Free Zone. :clapping :clapping :clapping
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The Clokes are Tiger legends. Dave will do the right thing. He will bring Clokey home :shh
His wife will never let him play with Richmond. She hates the club with a passion. She told me this face to face! >:(
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The Clokes are Tiger legends. Dave will do the right thing. He will bring Clokey home :shh
His wife will never let him play with Richmond. She hates the club with a passion. She told me this face to face! >:(
??
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His wife will never let him play with Richmond. She hates the club with a passion. She told me this face to face! >:(
How long ago?
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His wife will never let him play with Richmond. She hates the club with a passion. She told me this face to face! >:(
How long ago?
It was several years ago. But she said it with such passion that it scared me. She actually said she wouldn't let any of her sons play for Richmond. And from the body language, she wears the pants in that relationship. David does what he is told!!!
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His wife will never let him play with Richmond. She hates the club with a passion. She told me this face to face! >:(
How long ago?
It was several years ago. But she said it with such passion that it scared me. She actually said she wouldn't let any of her sons play for Richmond. And from the body language, she wears the pants in that relationship. David does what he is told!!!
Julie runs a tight ship.
destination unknown but not Colonwood.
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Cash talks...........rubbish walks..........he will take the coin no matter where it is
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His wife will never let him play with Richmond. She hates the club with a passion. She told me this face to face! >:(
How long ago?
It was several years ago. But she said it with such passion that it scared me. She actually said she wouldn't let any of her sons play for Richmond. And from the body language, she wears the pants in that relationship. David does what he is told!!!
Sounds like a real bitch
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He will take the doh and not to spewin about it, would easily become the laughing stock of Richmond if we pay the mega bucks for this show pony.
Once again get vickery back (fit?) grimes, shore up a backman Chaplin for depth. Got heaps of cash don't waste it on ...face go a Goddard try and snag a you g gun from the afls new propped up stuffers for a mcgaine/nagas stuff I hate auto spell u get the drift
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We need a CHF, more than anything else. He can play. Vickers and Jack will benefit enormously from big Trav as would he.
Shes not that bad, just misunderstood.
The Clokes were neighbours many years ago.
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we have a chf
jack can play chf
ff can be rotated between lids cotch dusty maric vickery
nike just do it
say no to cloke
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Cloke would be very handy but he doesn't fit our model and he won't be coming to tigerland
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The big fat gypsie bandwagon can roll the stuff on elsewhere imo
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THE Prospect of both Mick Malthouse and Travis Cloke being at Carlton next year is growing stronger by the minute.
Access All Areas panellists Luke Darcy and Damian Barrett said on AFL.com.au on Monday that deals were already being formulated.
Full article at: http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/145821/default.aspx
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Leave Clokey alone, Blues. Get it done, Tiges :clapping
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THE Prospect of both Mick Malthouse and Travis Cloke being at Carlton next year is growing stronger by the minute.
Access All Areas panellists Luke Darcy and Damian Barrett said on AFL.com.au on Monday that deals were already being formulated.
Full article at: http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/145821/default.aspx
Lol Luke Darcy
Lol rat Barrett
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Malthouse will finish Carltank off.
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Darcy told afl.com.au he could be going to Carlton.
Access All Areas panellists Luke Darcy and Damian Barrett said on AFL.com.au on Monday that deals were already being formulated
Darcy said out-of-contract Cloke was most likely to join Carlton on a $5 million, five-year deal.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/145821/default.aspx
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Darcy told afl.com.au he could be going to Carlton.
Access All Areas panellists Luke Darcy and Damian Barrett said on AFL.com.au on Monday that deals were already being formulated
Darcy said out-of-contract Cloke was most likely to join Carlton on a $5 million, five-year deal.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/145821/default.aspx
I heard D'Arcy doesn't know how to do up his shirt and he gets his Mrs to do it for him.
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Wouldn't be suprised if they both go as a package deal to the circle C cheats.
Why not add goddard as well... Whoa :shh
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if the blues get cloke..surely the AFL have to ask "how the hell do you fit him into your salary cap?
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Brown paper bag for you, brown paper bag for you... Oh and one for you too 8)
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Brown paper bag for you, brown paper bag for you... Oh and one for you too 8)
The brown paper bags Carlton have been handing out are about to turn into big black garbage bags. Those cheats are gonna give it another crack :shh
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Malthouse will finish Carltank off.
Why are you and I the only ones to see this? Malthouse will put those fragile Gen Z kids back into there shells quick smart ;D
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:wallywink
Malthouse will finish Carltank off.
Why are you and I the only ones to see this? Malthouse will put those fragile Gen Z kids back into there shells quick smart ;D
:clapping
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Down to three clubs and we're one of them ...
While as many as six clubs have pursued Cloke, it is believed he has ruled out a move to Melbourne and interstate clubs Adelaide and Fremantle.
Other than Collingwood, it leaves Carlton and Richmond in the running for the goalkicker.
The Blues are privately confident they can accommodate Cloke, who would command a wage in excess $700,000 a season, in their salary cap next season.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/naming-mick-malthouse-as-coach-could-help-carlton-snare-travis-cloke-from-collingwood/story-fn7shx05-1226459045253
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Down to three clubs and we're one of them ...
While as many as six clubs have pursued Cloke, it is believed he has ruled out a move to Melbourne and interstate clubs Adelaide and Fremantle.
Other than Collingwood, it leaves Carlton and Richmond in the running for the goalkicker.
The Blues are privately confident they can accommodate Cloke, who would command a wage in excess $700,000 a season, in their salary cap next season.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/naming-mick-malthouse-as-coach-could-help-carlton-snare-travis-cloke-from-collingwood/story-fn7shx05-1226459045253
The Blues could accommodate LeBron James too.
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Richmond, too, has not made an offer to the Cloke camp. The Tigers have key players Trent Cotchin, Dustin Martin, Jack Riewoldt and Tyrone Vickery coming out of contract next year and proceeded with great caution on the Cloke front, despite his father's status as a former Richmond premiership player and captain.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/we-want-cloke-says-judd-20120829-2514l.html#ixzz24xULchad
Melbourne coach Mark Neeld says he has no interest in recruiting Collingwood forward Travis Cloke.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/afl/melbourne-coach-mark-neeld-says-demons-are-not-chasing-travis-cloke/story-e6frexx0-1226460744704
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Get it done Tiges!
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Carltank will get him.
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even if Carlton were not in the picture do you guys think we would seriously entertain him at Punt Road
We haven't got the balls to go after someone like him.
we have jack remember and if he gets injured we have :shh
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We haven't got the balls to go after someone like him.
we have jack remember and if he gets injured we have....
Post :clapping
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We have 8 Posts
Post CHB
Post FB
Post CHF
Post FF
Post Ruck
Post Fwd/Ruck
Post Coburg Legend
Post VFL Specialist
But is that enough?
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All be certain now that he will not be at Tigerland next year. Carlton the favourite and then Collingwood.
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All be certain now that he will not be at Tigerland next year. Carlton the favourite and then Collingwood.
After listening to Carltons press conference the sounded far from interested.......I would doubt very much that they could fit him in and if they do it would have to at the expense of at least a couple of half decent players. If Carlton sign Cloke expect t see Robinson and Mclean at the Tigers next year :shh :lol
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Kernahan in the press conference said he hopes Cloke stays at Collingwood. An odd comment to make if your club was after Travis.
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Kernahan in the press conference said he hopes Cloke stays at Collingwood. An odd comment to make if your club was after Travis.
Looks like Kernahan has decided to take the Cloke and Dagger approach! :P ;D
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Kernahan in the press conference said he hopes Cloke stays at Collingwood. An odd comment to make if your club was after Travis.
It was odd. I heard a conflicting report on SEN stating that the players were very keen on luring him to the club. They named the leadership team and Judd and Murphy specifically. Perhaps the players and admin are at odds with this decision :-\
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Kernahan's effort was a transparently pathetic ruse. Malthouse and Cloke will come as a package IMO. If they don't then the CFC are truly run by idiots.
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players wanted ratts gone and they want cloke in
the players run that joint
spineless cheating downhill skiing front running nut hugging ass bandits
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players wanted ratts gone and they want cloke in
the players run that joint
spineless cheating downhill skiing front running nut hugging ass bandits
correct again Gerks although i would add Matthison and that hot number Jeannie to that list also
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If they don't then the CFC are truly run by idiots.
That works two ways doesnt it :thumbsup
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If they don't then the CFC are truly run by idiots.
That works two ways doesnt it :thumbsup
I guess so. In any case I don't want him here.
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Kernahan in the press conference said he hopes Cloke stays at Collingwood. An odd comment to make if your club was after Travis.
Looks like Kernahan has decided to take the Cloke and Dagger approach! :P ;D
wouldn't believe a word Sticks says at the moment
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Kernahan in the press conference said he hopes Cloke stays at Collingwood. An odd comment to make if your club was after Travis.
Looks like Kernahan has decided to take the Cloke and Dagger approach! :P ;D
wouldn't believe a word Sticks says at the moment
wouldn't believe a word of from that knife at any point in time.
I can't see him singing "stand by your man" and pouring a pot of beer on himself soon. ::)
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Kernahan in the press conference said he hopes Cloke stays at Collingwood. An odd comment to make if your club was after Travis.
Looks like Kernahan has decided to take the Cloke and Dagger approach! :P ;D
wouldn't believe a word Sticks says at the moment
wouldn't believe a word of from that knife at any point in time.
I can't see him singing "stand by your man" and pouring a pot of beer on himself soon. ::)
But I can see him dancing with Mick
Which begs the question...who's Fred and who's Ginger? ;D
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Goldsack told Hughesy that Clokey wasn't going to be doing what Hughesy wants him to do :shh
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In: A.Maric, Elton, Derickx, Ellis
Outs: White inj
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Blues pour cold water on potential move on Travis Cloke, Brendon Goddard
Rod Nicholson
From: Herald Sun
August 31, 2012
CARLTON president Stephen Kernahan has poured cold water on the likelihood of big forward Travis Cloke moving to the Blues next season, possibly joining his former coach Mick Malthouse.
Instead Kernahan suggested Cloke should stay at Collingwood.
"That's my personal view," he said.
Kernahan said the Blues would have trouble accommodating Cloke under the salary cap, even though he would love a big key forward to join the club.
"We did have a discussion with our list management about Travis, but we expect him to stay at Collingwood," Kernahan said.
"He's a Collingwood player so until he's not a Collingwood player we're obviously just sitting in the wings. For us to get Travis we'd have to make some adjustments and I'm not sure if we can."
Chief executive Greg Swann said the Blues "will not be going for" St Kilda's Brendon Goddard.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/blues-pour-cold-water-on-potential-move-on-travis-cloke-brendon-goddard/story-e6frf9jf-1226461981919
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In: A.Maric, Elton, Derickx, Ellis
Outs: White inj
In: Cloke
Out: Pick from a range of list-cloggers.
woahhhhhhhhh :shh
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I like how they have said they are not chasing either
When cloke joins carlton they won't it even bother announcing it, he will walk out in rd 1 against the tigers.
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Strengthens our chance at getting him then, need to go a bit harder now.
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Strengthens our chance at getting him then, need to go a bit harder now.
How? Why?
Blues are after him and he will go where the money is as it is the Cloke way (as long as it is in Victoria of course)
Don't believe what Carlton says they would find a way of fitting him in and they will offer him truck loads of $$$$$ ;D
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Strengthens our chance at getting him then, need to go a bit harder now.
How? Why?
Blues are after him and he will go where the money is as it is the Cloke way (as long as it is in Victoria of course)
Don't believe what Carlton says they would find a way of fitting him in and they will offer him truck loads of $$$$$ ;D
Just trying to find a 3rd party to pay him. Carlton thought the rule of 'No more VISY deals' specifically meant not with VISY. >:(
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LOL Essendon putting Cloke back into form :lol
His Pie teammates' reactions to Cloke doesn't show a guy leaving them.
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Anyone would think that circumstances have changed, if they were watching Twavis' tonight, MT.
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sticks and swann playing the
very same game when entertaining
judd.
swann smooth operator. :shh
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Anyone would think that circumstances have changed, if they were watching Twavis' tonight, MT.
One Dawes shuts and another opens lol.
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I tried to get info out of his cousin but all he could tell me was about 2-3 weeks ago he still hadn't decided where to go.
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Are we talking to Schulzuy ;)
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Played well last night, not just his 6 goals but his crashing of the packs, his groundwork, sheaparding and unselfish play were a real standout for mine.
Still hold out hope for this bloke to come to the club...
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From the Herald-Sun:
The Tigers have been linked to Port Adelaide defender Troy Chaplin and Adelaide half-forward Chris Knights, but have all but ruled out making a play for Travis Cloke.
The main reason they will overlook Cloke is they are so keen to secure the futures of star trio Cotchin, Jack Riewoldt and Dustin Martin.
Herald-Sun link (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/tigers-talking-terms-to-tie-up-trent/story-e6frf9io-1226472922074)
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all but..
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Forget it. Rd 1 next year chaplain will take on cloke. :shh
Whether he's up to it? We will see
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Shame if this is the case, now I hope he stays at the Pies.
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The main reason they will overlook Cloke is they are so keen to secure the futures of star trio Cotchin, Jack Riewoldt and Dustin Martin.
Herald-Sun link (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/tigers-talking-terms-to-tie-up-trent/story-e6frf9io-1226472922074)
Would think that first name on the list of 3 is a bloody good enough reason to throw money at Cloke
COtchin far more important to us than a Cloke
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As if we couldn't fit Cloke in. unless we're throwing ridiculous money at Sooky.
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As if we couldn't fit Cloke in. unless we're throwing ridiculous money at Sooky.
Sorry Coach but Cloke isn't worth $900k-$1mil a year and that's what we'd have to pay to get him
Cotchin is far more important to the RFC - just my take :thumbsup
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Give him the money and let's win a premiership. How on earth can Carlton fit him in yet we can't because we want to sign up 3 (3 of very few at this club) good players. get the black garbage bag out if we have to. bring Clokey home.
I'm going to burn someones house down if I have to watch McG strut around our forward line next year
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As if we couldn't fit Cloke in. unless we're throwing ridiculous money at Sooky.
Sorry Coach but Cloke isn't worth $900k-$1mil a year and that's what we'd have to pay to get him
Cotchin is far more important to the RFC - just my take :thumbsup
:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
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Give him the money and let's win a premiership. How on earth can Carlton fit him in yet we can't because we want to sign up 3 (3 of very few at this club) good players. get the black garbage bag out if we have to. bring Clokey home.
I'm going to burn someones house down if I have to watch McG strut around our forward line next year
and you think you dont post crud lol
u r fos
we dont need cloke , hie is not worth 500k , we have jack who is a better player and better fwd , we have kids coming up McG wont be around
:wallywink :wallywink :wallywink :wallywink :wallywink
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Give him the money and let's win a premiership. How on earth can Carlton fit him in yet we can't because we want to sign up 3 (3 of very few at this club) good players. get the black garbage bag out if we have to. bring Clokey home.
I'm going to burn someones house down if I have to watch McG strut around our forward line next year
and you think you dont post crud lol
u r fos
we dont need cloke , hie is not worth 500k , we have jack who is a better player and better fwd , we have kids coming up McG wont be around
:wallywink :wallywink :wallywink :wallywink :wallywink
Tambing is a brownlow winner LMAOOOOOOOOO :lol
Just keep digging that hole for yourself. Yes, Cloke is poo and our kids have clearly shown they are better than him. Clokey's premiership medallion says hi
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so glad we have moved on from taking donkey
into our midst. :thumbsup
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Give him the money and let's win a premiership. How on earth can Carlton fit him in yet we can't because we want to sign up 3 (3 of very few at this club) good players. get the black garbage bag out if we have to. bring Clokey home.
I don't get the 'we can't afford him' argument either. The Blues have their own stable of high profile stars to worry about.
Cotchin and Deledio I get but beyond that Cloke would be our next most valuable player if he came to us.
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If you can fit Voss, Black, Aker, Brown, Bradshaw et al in a side surely you can fit Cotch, Lids, Martin, Jack, Clokey? :shh
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If you can fit Voss, Black, Aker, Brown, Bradshaw et al in a side surely you can fit Cotch, Lids, Martin, Jack, Clokey? :shh
Not when you have to pay those kids who are all better than Cloke :shh
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Give him the money and let's win a premiership. How on earth can Carlton fit him in yet we can't because we want to sign up 3 (3 of very few at this club) good players. get the black garbage bag out if we have to. bring Clokey home.
I don't get the 'we can't afford him' argument either. The Blues have their own stable of high profile stars to worry about.
Cotchin and Deledio I get but beyond that Cloke would be our next most valuable player if he came to us.
Jack worth more
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Give him the money and let's win a premiership. How on earth can Carlton fit him in yet we can't because we want to sign up 3 (3 of very few at this club) good players. get the black garbage bag out if we have to. bring Clokey home.
I'm going to burn someones house down if I have to watch McG strut around our forward line next year
and you think you dont post crud lol
u r fos
we dont need cloke , hie is not worth 500k , we have jack who is a better player and better fwd , we have kids coming up McG wont be around
:wallywink :wallywink :wallywink :wallywink :wallywink
Tambing is a brownlow winner LMAOOOOOOOOO :lol
Just keep digging that hole for yourself. Yes, Cloke is poo and our kids have clearly shown they are better than him. Clokey's premiership medallion says hi
His AA would too, but it's a bit shy
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Would rather Tippett than Cloke. Throw him 600-700k x 4 years
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Would rather Tippett than Cloke. Throw him 600-700k x 4 years
No big man, no! :facepalm
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late off the press
all over cloke like rash. :shh
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late off the press
all over cloke like rash. :shh
We are rog?
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late off the press
all over cloke like rash. :shh
We are rog?
apparently hot off the press.
just about to pin the tail
on the donkey. :thumbsup
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late off the press
all over cloke like rash. :shh
We are rog?
apparently hot off the press.
just about to pin the tail
on the donkey. :thumbsup
Get it done Rog, Get it done :clapping :clapping
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late off the press
all over cloke like rash. :shh
We are rog?
apparently hot off the press.
just about to pin the tail
on the donkey. :thumbsup
Close the deal rog!! :clapping
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late off the press
all over cloke like rash. :shh
We are rog?
apparently hot off the press.
just about to pin the tail
on the donkey. :thumbsup
Close the deal rog!! :clapping
Cmon rog you son on a bitch, close the deal dammit :clapping
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Get it done, Rog :clapping™
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Get it done, Rog :clapping™
:lol
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:clapping™
How VERY dare you >:( TM
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Rog FFS! Pull yer finger out! Get this deal done!!! Forget the do gooders on the forum. It's our BS that Carlton be "interested" but we look for salary cap relief? Geeeeezzzz
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If this comes off I will buy an extra membership next season.
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If this comes off I will buy an extra membership next season.
If it does we'll crack 75k members
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From the facebook trade rumours page:
"Travis Cloke has dismissed all rumours about joining Fremantle in 2013. He will only likely be playing for Collingwood/Carlton or Richmond next year"
which got the reply ...
"Cloke can get a 5 year deal and work for Jeep vacuming car mats at punt road, it will still be more than C Judd did at Visy"
:lol
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ah rumour time in the AFL, unless we are playing a great game of stealth
i reckon DONKEY will stay a pie or become a blooser. :thumbsup
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ah rumour time in the AFL, unless we are playing a great game of stealth
i reckon DONKEY will stay a pie or become a blooser. :thumbsup
But what about your post yesterday :huh :huh
late off the press
all over cloke like rash. :shh
You cant get us up like that then just put your clothes back on and Leave >:( >:(
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ah rumour time in the AFL, unless we are playing a great game of stealth
i reckon DONKEY will stay a pie or become a blooser. :thumbsup
But what about your post yesterday :huh :huh
late off the press
all over cloke like rash. :shh
You cant get us up like that then just put your clothes back on and Leave >:( >:(
rumours are swirling that we are lying low with DONKEY
personally id be very surprised that he would come to us.
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ah rumour time in the AFL, unless we are playing a great game of stealth
i reckon DONKEY will stay a pie or become a blooser. :thumbsup
But what about your post yesterday :huh :huh
late off the press
all over cloke like rash. :shh
You cant get us up like that then just put your clothes back on and Leave >:( >:(
rumours are swirling that we are lying low with DONKEY
personally id be very surprised that he would come to us.
But yesterday you said we were all over him like a rash :huh :huh
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you've been rogerd
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you've been rogerd
And I feel it >:(
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Rog, less posty, more Clokey. :shh
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you've been rogerd
And I feel it >:(
Got it done, Rog :clapping :whistle
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you've been rogerd
Sounds like Mr Dean has NFI.
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ah rumour time in the AFL, unless we are playing a great game of stealth
i reckon DONKEY will stay a pie or become a blooser. :thumbsup
But what about your post yesterday :huh :huh
late off the press
all over cloke like rash. :shh
You cant get us up like that then just put your clothes back on and Leave >:( >:(
rumours are swirling that we are lying low with DONKEY
personally id be very surprised that he would come to us.
as I mentioned a few weeks ago rog,
this just isnt going to happen.
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where do you get your info dude?
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ah rumour time in the AFL, unless we are playing a great game of stealth
i reckon DONKEY will stay a pie or become a blooser. :thumbsup
But what about your post yesterday :huh :huh
late off the press
all over cloke like rash. :shh
You cant get us up like that then just put your clothes back on and Leave >:( >:(
rumours are swirling that we are lying low with DONKEY
personally id be very surprised that he would come to us.
as I mentioned a few weeks ago rog,
this just isnt going to happen.
yeh i would be shocked, i think he entered
our calculations all of 10 minutes then we moved
on. :bow
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ah rumour time in the AFL, unless we are playing a great game of stealth
i reckon DONKEY will stay a pie or become a blooser. :thumbsup
But what about your post yesterday :huh :huh
late off the press
all over cloke like rash. :shh
You cant get us up like that then just put your clothes back on and Leave >:( >:(
rumours are swirling that we are lying low with DONKEY
personally id be very surprised that he would come to us.
as I mentioned a few weeks ago rog,
this just isnt going to happen.
Like you'd know.
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ah rumour time in the AFL, unless we are playing a great game of stealth
i reckon DONKEY will stay a pie or become a blooser. :thumbsup
But what about your post yesterday :huh :huh
late off the press
all over cloke like rash. :shh
You cant get us up like that then just put your clothes back on and Leave >:( >:(
rumours are swirling that we are lying low with DONKEY
personally id be very surprised that he would come to us.
as I mentioned a few weeks ago rog,
this just isnt going to happen.
Like you'd know.
:thumbsup
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where do you get your info dude?
Same place as Barrett, Hutchy, Robbo etc. Big Footy :thumbsup
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lets be thankful that we have passed on him
or perhaps he passed on us more like it.
take the money and run donkey, mickey is waiting
at visyland.
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We dont need him, we would probaly be better placed rookie listing aron edwards for a pocket full of loose change as a nice little insurance policy..now thats what i call a Canny selection :shh
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Mmm-hmm, wooh-hooh-hooh-hooh-hooh-yeah-eah
I've no excuse, I just want you to use me-ee
Take me and abuse me
I got no taboos, I'll make a trade with you-ou-ou
Do anything you wa-ant me to
(http://theholybootsfootballemporium.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/cloke-and-fam.jpg)
Money talks, mmm-hmm-hmm, money talks
Dirty cash I want you, dirty cash I need you, woh-oh
Money talks, money talks
Dirty cash I want you, dirty cash I need you, woh-oh
:dancing :dancing :dancing :dancing :dancing
(Dirty cash, dirty cash)
Meanwhile, back in the city, the real pill, the nitty gritty
Sell yourself for your own soul
For a nickel, not a bag of gold
Behold, to what you've been told
Plus the bubba and roomies below
Money is the cause, tell me what's the path
(Dirty cash, that dirty cash)
(Mmm-hmm, money money)
I once had pride, now that's all behi-i-ind
I want to get rich qui-i-ick
I want success and all that goes with i-i-it
And I'm gonna use my se-ex
Money talks, mmm-hmm, money talks
Dirty cash I want you, dirty cash I need you, woh-oh
Money talks, (you know) money talks, (ah-hah)
Dirty cash I want you, dirty cash I need you, woh-oh
(I want you, money)
I'm dirty cash, the one that you asked for
I'm wanted by the rich and the poor
More and more, you just can't reject it
You're the junkie and I inject it
Into your blood stream, it's like a bad dream
Money's the theme, do you know what I mean
Money talks, (you know) money talks (ah-hah)
Dirty cash I want you, dirty cash I need you, woh-oh
Talkin' 'bout that money-ey
Oh giv-it-to-me, gimme, gimme, gimme, money, money, money
Mmm hmm hmm hmm yeah
I want ant you, money
Got to have you money-ey
Give it to me
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Until we hear Cloke has signed with someone else it's game on.
If anyone here knew what was happening really they'd be writing it up in the HUN already.
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Doesnr hurt to be the dark horse :shh
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Doesnr hurt to be the dark horse :shh
Woah good call :thumbsup :shh
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GET CLOKE... :cheers
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GET CLOKE... :cheers
Get it done, Tiges :clapping
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When we signed Cousins back in 2008 it was worth almost a 20% lift in membership.
IMO Cloke would be worth a bounce in membership of that order.
Of course, not taking Cloke and re-signing mcGuane and White would be worth a similar drop in membership. :banghead
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Jon Ralph on SEN today said Richmond wasn't going hard after Cloke and is taking a more wait and see approach because they believe he most likely will stay at Collingwood. The Club doesn't want to upset the apple cart going to our players about fitting Cloke in our salary cap when he might not even leave Collingwood and then if he doesn't come to Richmond having existing Tigers asking for a bigger cut themselves believing there's more $$$ on offer.
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Speculative journalism at it's worst - douche :scream
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Very good way to go about it Tiges.
Then if he is available.....GET CLOKE... :gotigers
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Speculative journalism at it's worst - douche :scream
Maybe it's just me but I can't stand Ralph as a journo despite his Richmond allegiances.
Should be known as 'Shifter' given the number of times he changes his opinions in the face of a half decent alternative argument.
He always seems to shoot from the hip to come off all knowing but then once someone points out some simple facts to him, he rolls over like a dog.
Also think his football knowledge is pretty ordinary. Not a fan.
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3AW says the rumour is the Cloke deal is done (ie. he's staying at Collingwood) and will be announced after the Pies' season is finished.
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Well what a bloody waste of time and energy. Glad he's saying at collingwood and not going to the cheats
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donkey was passed on weeks ago. :thumbsup
jon ralph has the wrong contacts at tigerland. :shh
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Barrett claimed tonight the Pies have caved into giving Cloke the 5 years that Daddy Damir wanted (albeit with conditions).
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Barrett claimed tonight the Pies have caved into giving Cloke the 5 years that Daddy Damir wanted (albeit with conditions).
You would think the announcement would come now on the eve of the semi to show a sign of solidarity.. :-\
Anyway if true at least thats that out of the way..
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Barrett claimed tonight the Pies have caved into giving Cloke the 5 years that Daddy Damir wanted (albeit with conditions).
I thought there always was a 5 year offer?
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Dawes has been Travis's best asset the past month.
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May as well announce it now, their season is officially dead.
Please forgive my indulgence..........
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Cloke, Pies no closer: manager
Samantha Lane
The Age
September 21, 2012
IF COLLINGWOOD has resolved to give Travis Cloke the unconditional five-year deal he is seeking, it is yet to inform the star forward's manager, who insists talks will resume only when the Pies' season concludes.
Ralph Carr who, along with Cloke's father David, is guiding the player through the protracted negotiation that will delay others until it is resolved, said tonight: ''There have been no [further] discussions. We said we weren't going to discuss it again until the end of the season.''
While Carr added ''all of us hope that he stays at Collingwood, that's been my view from day one'', on the eve of the Pies' preliminary final against Sydney, he did not indicate there was any rush to come to terms.
Collingwood's last offer to Cloke was a four-year contract estimated to be worth around $750,000 a season, with an option for a fifth season provided the player meets certain criteria. But the out-of-contract free agent has been steadfast in his demand for an unconditional five-year agreement, and his claim has not been hurt by Mick Malthouse's installation at Carlton. When he was announced as the Blues' new coach last week Malthouse was openly eager about luring the big fish from his former club, saying he would speak with Cloke ''at the appropriate time''. The declaration rankled Collingwood, though Carlton president Stephen Kernahan subsequently told his Magpie counterpart Eddie McGuire that his club was not trying to poach the forward.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/cloke-pies-no-closer-manager-20120921-26ccj.html#ixzz277mdmlX6
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Still think we sould have crack at him if we can.
How the hell can Carlton continue to fit these players under the salary cap???? It's beyond me!!
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Visy.
Judd saving the world
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Where's Travis at? Thought this would have been done by now if he was staying.
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AFL @AFL twitter:
"Collingwood has just re-signed Travis Cloke for 5 years and Harry O'Brien for two. More to come. "
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AFL @AFL twitter:
"Collingwood has just re-signed Travis Cloke for 5 years and Harry O'Brien for two. More to come. "
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Lmao Harry O
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Fek it. Hope Vickery comes good.
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Oh well, shame but good luck to him..
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suck baws carlton :cheers
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Glad he signed for 5...now we can all get some sleep.
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Confirmed
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/141141/default.aspx
THE BIGGEST contract story of 2012 has finally drawn to a close with Collingwood premiership forward Travis Cloke re-signing with the club for a further five years.
Cloke is now tied to the Pies until the end of 2017.
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Oh well, shame but good luck to him..
Good luck to him? The worthless prick plays for Collingwood. He can get stuffed
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Oh well, shame but good luck to him..
Good luck to him? The worthless prick plays for Collingwood. He can get stuffed
x 2
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exactly Coach stuff him. Dokic family got what they wanted. Hope he destroys that pathetic club now
what a joke they are. Buckley freddie, club is bigger than the players hahahahahaha
stuff off
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Where are those forum members that had a Richmond jumper photoshopped onto Cloke as their avatar?
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Oh well, shame but good luck to him..
Good luck to him? The worthless prick plays for Collingwood. He can get stuffed
:clapping :clapping
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Oh well, shame but good luck to him..
Good luck to him? The worthless prick plays for Collingwood. He can get stuffed
Yewww big plumsy :clapping
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Oh well, shame but good luck to him..
Good luck to him? The worthless prick plays for Collingwood. He can get stuffed
:clapping :clapping
:clapping :clapping :clapping
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Oh well, shame but good luck to him..
Good luck to him? The worthless prick plays for Collingwood. He can get stuffed
:clapping :clapping
:clapping :clapping :clapping
:clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping
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Oh well, shame but good luck to him..
Good luck to him? The worthless prick plays for Collingwood. He can get stuffed
:clapping :clapping
:clapping :clapping :clapping
:clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping
:clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping
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Oh well, shame but good luck to him..
Good luck to him? The worthless prick plays for Collingwood. He can get stuffed
x 2
x 3
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Oh well, shame but good luck to him..
Good luck to him? The worthless prick plays for Collingwood. He can get stuffed
:clapping :clapping
:clapping :clapping :clapping
:clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping
:clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping
:clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping
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Get Cloke :pray
Get it done, Tiges :clapping
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Best news this week, colliwobbles and Cloke deserve each other.
:cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers
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Oh well, shame but good luck to him..
Good luck to him? The worthless prick plays for Collingwood. He can get stuffed
:clapping :clapping
:clapping :clapping :clapping
:clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping
:clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping
:clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping
:clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping :clapping
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So, whose going to address the elephant in the room?
He's still tradable.
Pick 9 and Gus for Cloke...
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So, whose going to address the elephant in the room?
He's still tradable.
Pick 9 and Gus for Cloke...
Gus and Dean McDonald and Tommy Hislop straight swap
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So, whose going to address the elephant in the room?
He's still tradable.
Pick 9 and Gus for Cloke...
Gus and Dean McDonald and Tommy Hislop straight swap
Probably reasonable seems we will take on his stupid contract. 8)
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So, whose going to address the elephant in the room?
He's still tradable.
Pick 9 and Gus for Cloke...
Gus and Dean McDonald and Tommy Hislop straight swap
Probably reasonable seems we will take on his stupid contract. 8)
Get it done ski, tigski :clapping
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Good to see the Skunks blink on the news The Cheats may have come up with a Vi$y deal.
They all deserve each other: maggots.
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maybe its just me but the woods had a good season but no cigar.
signed everyone up some to long term deals as well
i think they needed to shake a couple loose.
OBrien would have been a start.
dont wish ill on anyone but they dont want Donkey
out of action for long periods, history tells us things
can go awry.
That bloke from Footscray went to Melbourne?
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Best news this week, colliwobbles and Cloke deserve each other.
:cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers
Welcome to the era of free agency.
We'll see a lot more of this sadly, Goddard's just lucky he's 2nd cab off the rank..
The Cloke's have milked the the Pies for all they're worth.
Swanny, Pendles, Daisy & Trav won't leave much for others.
Shake the tree..
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Did Wellingham sign? Good soldier. Will be more than handy. :thumbsup
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maybe its just me but the woods had a good season but no cigar.
signed everyone up some to long term deals as well
i think they needed to shake a couple loose.
OBrien would have been a start.
dont wish ill on anyone but they dont want Donkey
out of action for long periods, history tells us things
can go awry.
That bloke from Footscray went to Melbourne?
Hamill :shh
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Best news this week, colliwobbles and Cloke deserve each other.
:cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers
Welcome to the era of free agency.
We'll see a lot more of this sadly, Goddard's just lucky he's 2nd cab off the rank..
The Cloke's have milked the the Pies for all they're worth.
Swanny, Pendles, Daisy & Trav won't leave much for others.
Shake the tree..
apparently BJ tullamarine bound.
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you speak some serious poo rog. :cheers
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you speak some serious poo rog. :cheers
Could he be RogThroat??
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Did Wellingham sign? Good soldier. Will be more than handy. :thumbsup
Agree Tucker. I never got the knock on him. Would be an upgrade on a couple of our mids.
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Oh well, shame but good luck to him..
Good luck to him? The worthless prick plays for Collingwood. He can get stuffed
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Buddy Franklin next year? Get it done Tiges. :clapping
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Get Cloke :clapping
Get it done Tiggers
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5yrs ;D
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We dodged the bullet, no Cloke bs at RFC. GOod.