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Football => View from the Outer => Topic started by: one-eyed on September 15, 2007, 03:49:47 AM
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Race to bring Judd back home
15 September 2007 Herald Sun
Mike Sheahan
VICTORIA'S most powerful clubs are jockeying for position in what looms as a $5 million race for West Coast champion Chris Judd.
Carlton, Collingwood and Essendon head the pack, with Richmond, which holds first pick in the pre-season draft, expected to join in.
All expect Judd to announce his intention to return home to Victoria within four to five days of West Coast's exit from the premiership race.
The Eagles also are understood to be bracing themselves for his departure.
Judd, recently turned 24, is out of contract after the current season. His refusal to re-commit at any time during the past 12 months has pointed to a return to Melbourne for the second half of his stellar career.
While he hasn't had any contact with other clubs, his manager Paul Connors has been fielding approaches from at least Carlton, Collingwood and Essendon.
Offers are likely to extend to as long as five years and at least $5 million.
Connors is in Perth this weekend, staying with the star midfielder, who missed last night's clash with Collingwood through injury.
Also in Perth is Carlton's football operations manager Steven Icke, en route from South Africa and planning to speak with Connors.
The Blues are geared for a massive tilt at Judd.
They offered Matthew Pavlich $4 million for four years before he re-signed with Fremantle, and will go even higher for Judd.
Pavlich and his management reportedly gave the offer due consideration before deciding to stay with the Dockers.
What is known as fact is Carlton has scope under the salary cap, and the money and the inclination to offer Judd whatever it takes.
The Blues also have the rich and powerful Richard Pratt impatient for progress.
They have bargaining power, too, with draft choices 1, 3 and 20. The first pick is reserved for Matthew Kreuzer, but No. 3 is negotiable.
It just so happens the player ranked nominally as the likely No. 2 or No. 3 is West Australian Cale Morton, younger brother of West Coast's Mitch.
The Blues also have Josh Kennedy, a 20-year-old centre half-forward, who comes from East Fremantle and was taken at No. 4 in the 2005 national draft. They don't want to lose him, but West Coast will drive a hard bargain.
Collingwood has been positioning itself for a crack at Judd for many weeks.
The Magpies last year offered Jonathan Brown $6 million for five years.
They have less than Carlton to offer West Coast in terms of draft picks, given they won't have a top-10 choice.
Historically, West Coast hasn't wanted to deal with Collingwood, with Fraser Gehrig the most famous example, snatched from the Pies by St Kilda at the death.
Essendon is right in the mix.
The Bombers finished 12th, giving them an early draft choice, and money is no object. They do have one major problem, though, the continuing indecision on the coaching job.
While Judd's stocks have fallen slightly given his chronic injury problem in recent months, post-season surgery is expected to see him make a full recovery.
He is widely believed to have a groin problem, although one source at an interested club says it is more likely to be a bone spur on a hip.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22420498^20322,00.html
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The pieces of the puzzle are now making sense. Talk around the club of us chasing a BIG name, Miller visiting Perth and Judd's girlfriend enrolling at Melb Uni.
Massive news! The Eagles are now out of the finals so we'll know about Judd returning to Victoria by early next week going by the Hun.
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Ill believe it when i see it. Mind you if we land Judd via the PSD then itll add 5000 members. He could almost pay for himself.
Finally if we do manage it, it will be a massive symbolic victory for us. That we went to battle against all our arch enemies and won. People shouldnt underestimate it. It will be a sign that we are still a big club.
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Offer him the number 17 jumper.
:gotigers
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wonder if the wildcard could be Sheedy. :shh
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wonder if the wildcard could be Sheedy. :shh
what would sheedy have to do with Judd and how is it intertwined with us?
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wonder if the wildcard could be Sheedy. :shh
I doubt Sheeds would get a game at WC.
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blah blah blah ::)
IF judd does comes to richmond i'll eat my hat
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wonder if the wildcard could be Sheedy. :shh
:-\ :-\ :help
Is Sheeds goig to set up his own RFC rogerd3 ???
;D
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wonder if the wildcard could be Sheedy. :shh
:-\ :-\ :help
Is Sheeds goig to set up his own RFC rogerd3 ???
;D
Great, now we can see our side lose twice a week during the winter.
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wonder if the wildcard could be Sheedy. :shh
:-\ :-\ :help
Is Sheeds goig to set up his own RFC rogerd3 ???
;D
Great, now we can see our side lose twice a week during the winter.
That's the spirit Ramps :thumbsup
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just thought i would throw it out there for all sheedy admirers, personally dont want him at our club as we dont need him.
i believe we should to stick to our plan, it will just take time.
as for Judd coming to us perhaps the eagles are aware that WE have an interest in young Morton as our 1st pick? who knows...carltons pick 3 wont be enough.
the only reason our club has been mentioned is because we have 1st pick in the PSD, let the blues chase him with the $$$$$, cause i get the feeling that it could all turn pear shaped...
anyone remember the Pitura fiasco.
i have never been an advocate for Kevins return like some on here....where is the Jackstar...
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just thought i would throw it out there for all sheedy admirers, personally dont want him at our club as we dont need him.
i believe we should to stick to our plan, it will just take time.
as for Judd coming to us perhaps the eagles are aware that WE have an interest in young Morton as our 1st pick? who knows...carltons pick 3 wont be enough.
the only reason our club has been mentioned is because we have 1st pick in the PSD, let the blues chase him with the $$$$$, cause i get the feeling that i could all turn pear shaped...
anyone remember the Pitura fiasco.
i have never been an advocate for Kevins return like some on here....where is the Jackstar...
cale?
if so would prefer cotchin
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cale is/has been on our radar, perhaps the eagles want the brothers to play together.
myself i would prefer we draft young trent but hey we are dealing with the RFC here, and we know how our drafting has been for donkey's years strange to say the least.
i reckon he will end up at Visy blues.
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is it miller who wants morton or is it francis?
anyways I thought we were pretty much sold on Cotchin
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theres way to many gimmicks on this site ;D
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Stay well away from chris Judd. 5 Million over 5 years, there isn't a player anywhere worth that sort of money and especially one that has a groin injury that requires an operation. Leave these sorts of deals to Carlton so they can stuff themselves up even more than they have done. Look at there last great 5 million dollar deal, Koutafides, it blew up in there face with there great man doing his knee, he was never the same player again after that.
Judd can come to richmond with the following proviso:
We do not use any of our 1st or second round draft picks.
He comes to us through the PSD
A price tag of 500,000 tops per year.
A 3 year contract at the most.
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Worsfold was interviewed on 3aw after noon. He said he expects Judd to be an Eagle next year but he has a meeting with Chris this week and whatever Judd decides to do he'll respect his decision (joked about needing to get on his hands and knees).
Pagan reckons the Blues will need to offer more than pick 3 and Fevola. More like picks 1, 3 and Fev. The Blues are the media's favourite because of Pratt's clout (eg: getting Vodafone off St Kilda to Carlton).
David King didn't say much as far as Judd and Richmond.
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If it is true that he actually wants to leave anyway, Melbourne will be his prefered club, if he goes anywhere this is where i'm sure he will end up.
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Forgot to add that Worsfold said Judd's injury is due to a out of place bone spur on the pubic bone. Unlike OP which affects both sides of the groin and is due to this bone wearing away, Judd's injury is affecting just the right side of his groin. He also had some abductor injury as well this year. Mike asked Worsfold why Judd wasn't rested for 4-6 weeks once a finals place was wrapped up and Worsfold said the problem won't heal itself (requires surgery) so there was no point resting him.
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from reading between the lines Judd does seem headed home, and most likely Carlton... from our point of view it could be an important deal. If Carlton only dishes up 3 and Fevola ... then we still in prime spot to secure Cale Morton who the Eagles are desperate for. Its such bad luck that we really want him to... so how about we swap pick 2 for say pick 3 oh yeah ... and eagles normal first round pick which will be about 14. That sounds fair enough.
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If it is true that he actually wants to leave anyway, Melbourne will be his prefered club, if he goes anywhere this is where i'm sure he will end up.
RR, a caller asked why Melbourne wasn't mentioned and basically the 3aw answer was because they a small fry with the only thing going for them is being called "Melbourne".
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If it is true that he actually wants to leave anyway, Melbourne will be his prefered club, if he goes anywhere this is where i'm sure he will end up.
RR, a caller asked why Melbourne wasn't mentioned and basically the 3aw answer was because they a small fry with the only thing going for them is being called "Melbourne".
They might be small fry but Judd is a Melbourne supporter, he already has a premiership, he is very good freinds with garry Lyon and a regular spot on the footy show is not out of the question either to boost up the income stream. I just don't believe that if judd is going for a serious tilt at comming home that Melbourne aren't going to feature somewhere.
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Stay well away from chris Judd. 5 Million over 5 years, there isn't a player anywhere worth that sort of money and especially one that has a groin injury that requires an operation. Leave these sorts of deals to Carlton so they can eff themselves up even more than they have done. Look at there last great 5 million dollar deal, Koutafides, it blew up in there face with there great man doing his knee, he was never the same player again after that.
Judd can come to richmond with the following proviso:
We do not use any of our 1st or second round draft picks.
He comes to us through the PSD
A price tag of 500,000 tops per year.
A 3 year contract at the most.
Is Judd interested in owning property down on the Mornington peninsula? ;D
I have similar concerns RR. The money bantered around is something like 1/6th or 1/7th of the salary cap on just one player for 5 years. Unless half his salary is going to come from "marketing" opportunities which don't count inside the salary cap, any club would be taking on a massive risk. One serious injury to Judd and you'd be stuffed given you've given away top picks to get him. West Coast's success is due to more than just Judd. Kerr, Cousins, Braun, Embley, Stenglein and co had something to do with it too in their midfield.
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is it miller who wants morton or is it francis?
anyways I thought we were pretty much sold on Cotchin
So did I bluey.
Who said we're going to take Morton before Cotchin? Not what I was told although both are in our top 3 along with Kreuzer.
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Ch 9 news tonight said Carlton, Richmond (due to our 1st PSD pick) and the Pies are the 3 favourites to obtain Judd.
Ch 7 news though said the Pies have ruled themselves out of the running and Carlton today were in Perth to put a AFL record offer to Judd.
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big rumour on big footy about the whole scenario on the richmond board about judd and cale morton and mitch morton ... great scenario ... people should go on there and support the scenario and we can all get a laugh.
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Ch 9 news tonight said Carlton, Richmond (due to our 1st PSD pick) and the Pies are the 3 favourites to obtain Judd.
Ch 7 news though said the Pies have ruled themselves out of the running and Carlton today were in Perth to put a AFL record offer to Judd.
Channel 10 on Sports Tonight said Carlton Collingwood Essendon and Melbourne were the only clups after Judd.
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big rumour on big footy about the whole scenario on the richmond board about judd and cale morton and mitch morton ... great scenario ... people should go on there and support the scenario and we can all get a laugh.
LOL wishing pick 2 will get us pick 3 + pick 14/Mitch Morton off the Eagles :rollin. That's not a rumour, that's wishful thinking ;D.
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Ch 9 news tonight said Carlton, Richmond (due to our 1st PSD pick) and the Pies are the 3 favourites to obtain Judd.
Ch 7 news though said the Pies have ruled themselves out of the running and Carlton today were in Perth to put a AFL record offer to Judd.
Channel 10 on Sports Tonight said Carlton Collingwood Essendon and Melbourne were the only clups after Judd.
Modern footy journalism - if you don't know make it up :wallywink
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Crazy John :shh
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Judd turns back on Eagles
Jake Niall | September 16, 2007
WEST Coast captain Chris Judd is set to inform the Eagles today of his intention to move back home to Melbourne and seek a trade to a Victorian club.
In what will be one of the most significant departures in the game's modern history, Judd plans to inform the club he captained to a premiership of his desire to move back to Victoria to be with his family and friends.
Judd's wish to leave the Eagles is understood to be based upon his desire to be back in his home state, and is not money-related, given that he would be expected to earn similar — possibly even greater — amounts in Western Australia. His wish to go home is not a reflection on West Coast, either.
West Coast, however, remains "very optimistic" that it will retain Judd, who, when fit, is arguably the best player in the competition.
While coach John Worsfold yesterday spoke of his respect for Judd, even if he chose to leave, Nisbett added, "That's true, but we're also running a business" — perhaps a hint that the Eagles would be tough in any negotiation with the club Judd chose as his preferred destination.
While virtually all Melbourne clubs are expected to be interested in Judd, it is Carlton, Collingwood and Essendon that have made the initial running. Melbourne is preparing its pitch, while Richmond will inevitably enter the fray.
The Eagles will demand the highest price any club has received since the introduction of the draft system, and, in terms of picks and ladder position, Carlton — cashed up under Richard Pratt's presidency — is perhaps in the best position.
Judd is expected to command a salary that, once marketing is taken into account (additional services agreements), would exceed a million dollars per year and this does not take into account the substantial dollars he will receive outside football.
Full article at: http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/judd-turns-back-on-eagles/2007/09/15/1189277048831.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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Worsfold: We'll let Judd go
16 September 2007 Sunday Herald Sun
Jon Ralph and Kim Hagdorn
Should Judd decide he is willing to return to a Victorian club, it would spark a feeding frenzy the like of which has rarely been seen in modern football.
Carlton leads the race for Judd because of its space in the salary cap and high draft picks (1, 3, 20) and is believed to be prepared to throw an unprecedented $7.5 million package over five years.
But a raft of clubs, including Collingwood, Richmond and Essendon, are expected to pitch for his services.
And the Eagles will intensify their push as early as today to get him to sign a two-year deal.
Former Blues coach Denis Pagan said yesterday on 3AW his former team would need to give up its first and second draft picks to have any hope of securing Judd.
"I don't think they would have (potential first pick) Matthew Kreuzer as well.
And the injured star is investigating overseas medical procedures for career-saving surgery to repair his ravaged groin.
Full article at: http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22424812%255E20322,00.html
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I want Judd big time - in that right age group :thumbsup
But not at the expense of stuffing up the club in the long run.
Go for him, but if the bidding gets too hot, back off.
We've all seen with Browny how anything can happen to players that can destroy careers.
But he's one of the best players I've ever seen and I can just imagine the benefit in memberships, putting bums on seats, etc. so that would pay for whatever we pay him.
Unfortunately though, there is a salary cap, and being the socialist I am, would like to see the money spread amongst not one player but a good even team.
Dilemma for Moi :help :rollin
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would like to see the money spread amongst not one player but a good even team.
without a doubt, the eagles performance on friday night is indicative that you cannot put all your eggs in one basket. footy is a team game, you need a good team of players, not one fix-it-man
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it will happen...blues will get him :whistle
announcement this afternoon.
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I reckon Melbourne will get him, if he leaves.
He'll threaten west coast with the PSD and they will back off and deal with Melbourne. 1st and second round pick plus player.
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I reckon Melbourne will get him, if he leaves.
He'll threaten west coast with the PSD and they will back off and deal with Melbourne. 1st and second round pick plus player.
you'd think so because he was a melbourne supporter but I think richmond hold some very important cards. Apparently West Coast are super keen on Morton but then again so are we. However for me Carlton will be the main players, with idiot pratt they have all the money in the world to throw at judd. We might play some role in this trade yet :shh
the way I see it could go down like this.
Carlton give away Fevola and pick 3
Carlton gain Judd
West Coast give away Judd and a promising youngster Butler/Schofield/Rosa
West Coast gain pick 2 and Fevola
We swap down a pick to pick 3 and snare a youngster such as the one above
Carlton take Kreuzer at 1
West Coast take Morton at pick 2
Richmond take Cotchin at 3
end result = richmond wins :gotigers
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according to big footy apparently Judd is officially leaving the weagles
tonight's news will be interesting
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Just recieved this email about 5 mins ago.
CHRIS JUDD DECISION
The West Coast Eagles wish to confirm that senior coach John Worsfold met Chris Judd this morning.
At that meeting Chris informed John of his intention to return to Melbourne to live.
The West Coast Eagles are extremely disappointed with the decision. Chief executive officer Trevor Nisbett and coach Worsfold will be available at a press conference tomorrow.
There will be no further comment from the club until that conference at 10am in the Doig Room, Roberts Road, Subiaco Oval.
Released by Gary Stocks
Communications Manager
West Coast Eagles
0412 144 588 or (08) 9388 4543
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Strong mail is the Fev is over the line at West Coast.
Put 2 and 2 together. ?
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Strong mail is the Fev is over the line at West Coast.
Put 2 and 2 together. ?
reckon my above hypothetical is feasible?
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Manager: Judd wants to come home
16 September 2007 Herald Sun
WEST Coast captain Chris Judd has told the Eagles he wants to be traded to a Victoria-based club, his manager confirmed today.
Paul Connors told Perth radio station 6PR that Judd, 24, had advised the club of his decision at lunchtime today.
The news will spark one of the most frenzied recruiting attempts the competition has seen, with the star Eagle widely acknowledged as the AFL's best player.
All Victorian clubs are likely to be in the hunt for his services, but Carlton is probably the best-placed to secure him, although Collingwood, Essendon and Richmond are reportedly working on strategies to lure him.
It is likely the Eagles would demand an early draft pick as well as a quality young player in return for Judd.
Connors said Judd's decision was about family and not about money.
"The reason is that he is a Melbourne boy, he feels like he has given great service over six years to the club.
"There is no specific thing, he just wants to go home to his family.
"He has not spoken to any club, we have seen the speculation about this club and that club offering money.
Full article at: http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22427125%5E20322,00.html
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Strong mail is the Fev is over the line at West Coast.
Put 2 and 2 together. ?
reckon my above hypothetical is feasible?
Not bad Bluey.
Rosa wants out but Magpies will end up with Mat Rosa. ;)
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i know we can get him via the PSD, but what would you give up if we have to deal during trading week. are our first round draft picks untouchable?
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Spud on Ch 9 news saying Judd should go to Hawthorn or Collingwood ::)
If the Eagles get picks 1,3 and Fev they'll be laughing. 3 for the price of 1 even if that 1 is Judd.
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i know we can get him via the PSD, but what would you give up if we have to deal during trading week. are our first round draft picks untouchable?
JON, meyer and Sarge are all 1st round picks but aren't untouchable.
For me, pick 2 is untouchable, unless it is a swap down to 3 where we are still guarenteed Cotchin and get a promising youngster
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One player even a superstar like Judd won't solve our list deficiences. So unless Judd falls through to the PSD I can't see how we can get him without paying dearly for it at the trade table. I don't want us trading away our picks especially pick 2.
And it'd be wishful thinking to get say the bulldogs first pick for Schulz (KPPs are scarce in this year's draft) and then on trade it to the Eagles with JON and Cogs (WA boys).
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One player even a superstar like Judd won't solve our list deficiences. So unless Judd falls through to the PSD I can't see how we can get him without paying dearly for it at the trade table. I don't want us trading away our picks especially pick 2.
And it'd be wishful thinking to get say the bulldogs first pick for Schulz (KPPs are scarce in this year's draft) and then on trade it to the Eagles with JON and Cogs (WA boys).
after the akermanis project failed, I doubt they'd be willing to trade away picks
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after the akermanis project failed, I doubt they'd be willing to trade away picks
I'd doubt the doggies would do it too bluey but they are offering a 28 year old going on 29 Russell Robertson a 3-year deal :o so maybe the Doggies will be stupid again. At the start of this year they believed their premiership window was open. If they think 2007 was an anomoly (a la Geelong last year) then they may look to top up in areas they are deficient (Big KP forward).
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true, but they'd be looking for key forward they KNOW will make it. Sarge is languishing in the reserves for Richmond, which would cast some doubts on a potential AFL career
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true, but they'd be looking for key forward they KNOW will make it. Sarge is languishing in the reserves for Richmond, which would cast some doubts on a potential AFL career
True bluey. At least Sarge wouldn't have Richo to run into if he did go to the Doggies lol. The Doggies paid picks 29 and 59 for McDougall last year btw :o.
The next "far out" idea is to commit heresy and trade one of our best but older Tigers (Richo, Joel) but I can't see us doing that either. I just can't see us picking up Judd without selling the farm or pulling off the deal of the century. Judd wouldn't want to screw to Eagles and walk into the PSD.
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true, but they'd be looking for key forward they KNOW will make it. Sarge is languishing in the reserves for Richmond, which would cast some doubts on a potential AFL career
True bluey. At least Sarge wouldn't have Richo to run into if he did go to the Doggies lol. The Doggies paid picks 29 and 59 for McDougall last year btw :o.
The next "far out" idea is to commit heresy and trade one of our best but older Tigers (Richo, Joel) but I can't see us doing that either. I just can't see us picking up Judd without selling the farm or pulling off the deal of the century. Judd wouldn't want to screw to Eagles and walk into the PSD.
that's way I think my trade in the other thread is a possibility. It seems that all teams win or get a reasonable deal
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the way I see it could go down like this.
Carlton give away Fevola and pick 3
Carlton gain Judd
West Coast give away Judd and a promising youngster Butler/Schofield/Rosa
West Coast gain pick 2 and Fevola
We swap down a pick to pick 3 and snare a youngster such as the one above
Carlton take Kreuzer at 1
West Coast take Morton at pick 2
Richmond take Cotchin at 3
end result = richmond wins :gotigers
Far more realistic but West Coast lose two players for a pick and Fev. The Eagles are better off holding on to pick 3 as they'll get Morton anyway without needing to give up a youngster as well as Judd.
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but Richmond are keen on Morton :shh
we hold the keys to whether or not the Weagles get Morton
If they really really want Morton we can force their hand
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but Richmond are keen on Morton :shh
we hold the keys to whether or not the Weagles get Morton
If they really really want Morton we can force their hand
But what happens if the Eagles take Cotchin instead with pick 2? Hell if they get 1st pick off Carlton they could take Cotchin as first pick leaving Kreuzer to us.
If we take Morton ahead of Cotchin I'll be doing this -> :banghead. Morton is 192cm yet weighs only 75kg. Just what we need - another skinny kid :-\. I know Miller rates both in the top 3 but I would say this "we're after Morton" talk is forum gossip rather than hard fact ;).
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Judd ends up at Carlton.pretty simple
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Spud on Ch 9 news saying Judd should go to Hawthorn or Collingwood ::)
If the Eagles get picks 1,3 and Fev they'll be laughing. 3 for the price of 1 even if that 1 is Judd.
Spud works for Channel 9 so there is his plug for the boss.
Also doing defensive work for Hawthorn who were knocked out last night.
Spud is endorsing his employers to keep his jobs :lol :lol :lol :lol
Knowing Spud he might come up with Judd retiring altogether and coming back to Melbourne to fill in for special comments on Triple M :scream :whistle
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Lol at spudley
As long as it is not Carlton or they give up 1 and 3 well could live with that.
If not us then would like to see some fairytale footy stuff and see him at the Dees.
Maybe Richmond could do a shifty deal with the Demons and if Judd slips though to the PSD
All would be happy.
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but Richmond are keen on Morton :shh
we hold the keys to whether or not the Weagles get Morton
If they really really want Morton we can force their hand
But what happens if the Eagles take Cotchin instead with pick 2? Hell if they get 1st pick off Carlton they could take Cotchin as first pick leaving Kreuzer to us.
If we take Morton ahead of Cotchin I'll be doing this -> :banghead. Morton is 192cm yet weighs only 75kg. Just what we need - another skinny kid :-\. I know Miller rates both in the top 3 but I would say this "we're after Morton" talk is forum gossip rather than hard fact ;).
if they can't keep judd they wouldn't even dream of taking another vic kid, way too risky that they leave as well
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but Richmond are keen on Morton :shh
we hold the keys to whether or not the Weagles get Morton
If they really really want Morton we can force their hand
But what happens if the Eagles take Cotchin instead with pick 2? Hell if they get 1st pick off Carlton they could take Cotchin as first pick leaving Kreuzer to us.
If we take Morton ahead of Cotchin I'll be doing this -> :banghead. Morton is 192cm yet weighs only 75kg. Just what we need - another skinny kid :-\. I know Miller rates both in the top 3 but I would say this "we're after Morton" talk is forum gossip rather than hard fact ;).
if they can't keep judd they wouldn't even dream of taking another vic kid, way too risky that they leave as well
They would if the kid was a ready to go midfielder and helped win them another flag as Judd did. From the Eagles viewpoint this is an opportunity to add another a top 5 kid to their list along with a good player they structurally need (Fev) on top of the picks they already have. It'll keep them up near the top of the ladder.
Braun, Hansen, Selwood, Wirrpanda and Rosa are all Victorians. Only Rosa has been talked about as heading home along with Judd but he didn't leave last year.
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SEN news was saying us, Carlton and Melbourne are now the favourites with Carlton having offered Judd $7.5 million over 5 years :o.
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but I don't think Cotchin is the weagles priority, from what I heard all they want is Morton
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SEN news was saying us, Carlton and Melbourne are now the favourites with Carlton having offered Judd $7.5 million over 5 years :o.
if judd is that greedy he is not worth it.
Would sign him at 750 K at most
its just that no player is worth that ridiculous amount of money
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So now they have Pratt they are going to cheat again - AFL would not wanna carlscum to make a mockery of all this
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SEN news was saying us, Carlton and Melbourne are now the favourites with Carlton having offered Judd $7.5 million over 5 years :o.
How to stuff your club up in one easy lesson.
I hope they get him for that lol
And this is the club that the AFL is giving help to. Why do they get help when they can just open their cheque book ::)
Gonna be some juggling act with their salary cap - AGAIN ::)
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So now they have Pratt they are going to cheat again - AFL would not wanna carlscum to make a mockery of all this
The AFL now has Mike stuff on the commission - Carlton will get away with whatever they like. Just hope it bites them on the bum!
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Not that you want any footballer to go down with a serious injury but the Blues will be totally screwed again paying that amount of dough if Judd's injury isn't so easily fixed by off-field surgery or he cops another serious injury. That kind of money is almost 1/5th of the salary cap :o (although there'll be a marketing component which doesn't count towards the cap).
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but I don't think Cotchin is the weagles priority, from what I heard all they want is Morton
True bluey.
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Thought it would be unusual for a club captain to walk but a few have in fairly recent times.
Carey (NM) 2002, Colbert (Geel) 1999, Hogg* (Rich) 1993, Cloke :( (Rich) 1983.
*Did Jeff Hogg walk or did the club decide to trade him?
Any others?
I think Chris Bond was delisted at Freo, so was marched out rather than walked. :-\
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Was Jezza captain-coach when given the stuff by the Blues after winning the 79 flag?
Malcolm Blight sacked McDermott and McGuiness who were captain and VC of the Crows when he became coach of Adelaide.
*Did Jeff Hogg walk or did the club decide to trade him?
Just say with his quad problems and Richo arriving at Tigerland, the club wasn't too disappointed to see Hoggy head to the Roys in exchange for Brodders, Mick Gale and Dundas.
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Yeah, I think Jezza and the 2 crowgropers got the stuff. I was thinking more of captains walking out. ;)
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Richmond football director Greg Miller said he would meet Connors on Wednesday.
Miller said he had spoken yesterday to coach Terry Wallace and president Gary March, but the club hadn't decided whether to chase Judd.
"We think he is an absolutely outstanding player but you have to weigh up his price, where we are going and his value," Miller said.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22429188%255E20322,00.html
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from the Age:
Judd's manager Paul Connors said his superstar client had no desire to enter the pre-season draft, where he could be selected by Richmond or Carlton, with West Coast getting nothing in return.
"You can never get compensated for someone like Chris Judd, but hopefully all parties are fair and something will be resolved," Connors said. "I can't categorically confirm that (he won't enter the draft), but I can categorically confirm that would not be Chris Judd's wish."
Richmond — might not even be in the market.
The Tigers, who have pick two in the national draft and pick one in the pre-season draft, appeared nervous about making a commitment last night. "I just have to wait 24 hours or 48 hours before I can answer that question because we need to sit down and discuss the pros and cons," Richmond's director of football Greg Miller told The Age.
"There's a lot to it. A lot to it. The cons are the costs you have to give up, what it does to your TPP (total player payments) for other players and where that lays … and what commitment you've given to a generation of young players."
If they don't commit, the Tigers will join at least three other clubs on the sidelines. The Kangaroos, the Western Bulldogs and Geelong yesterday ruled themselves out.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/eagles-want-top-picks-for-judd/2007/09/16/1189881340792.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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from the Age:
Judd's move is likely to be particularly complicated, with the player wishing to find a club that not only satisfies West Coast's requirements but also meets a considerable personal wish list.
He is understood to favour a club likely to play finals immediately, can provide ample remuneration, as well as offer him vocational opportunities once he finishes playing.
Sources close to Judd indicated yesterday that Collingwood and Hawthorn might figure highly on his list of preferred clubs. He is believed to be impressed by the young, talented playing lists at the two clubs.
One club confident it will make a major play is Essendon. Not only does it have pick six, it has a host of talented young West Australian players — Patrick Ryder, Scott Gumbleton and Leroy Jetta among them — who would appeal to the Eagles as part of a package deal.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/eagles-want-top-picks-for-judd/2007/09/16/1189881340792.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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apparently one of the reasons for his leaving is to do with cousins situation and how the eagles have handled it or more the case how they havent handled it, now i would think in the hawks case with whats gone down in the last few months, it wouldnt appeal to Judd.
i reckon the blues and the demons might be in with a show, particulary the demons considering they have pick 4 and apparently this is the club that he barracked for as youngster.
god can you imagine Gaddy Lyon what a mess.
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Judd is a Demons supporter Garry Lyons love child
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Absolutely no way that Judd would want to come to Richmond. But we may be able to leverage something out of the deal — eg Schulz and pick2 to Carlton (on traded to WC), Fev and pick 3 to us (don't get silly, just an example). I reckon that will be Miller's style — hang around the edges and snip something out of the deal.
My tip is Melbourne for Judd.
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judd wont be at tigerland.
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And we certainly don't need Fevola even as a gimme :chuck
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Our pick 2 could become extremley valuable during this deal, make no mistake I believe we are in this deal up to our eyeballs, we wont necessarily get Judd, but what are we going to get offered for that pick.
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as someone else said shake the tree hard enough dont know what will fall out of it.
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Our pick 2 could become extremley valuable during this deal, make no mistake I believe we are in this deal up to our eyeballs, we wont necessarily get Judd, but what are we going to get offered for that pick.
Exactly, Kreuzer is a certain number 1 by the sounds of it.
If West Coast desperately want Cale Morton, then Judd's nominated team must at least get pick 2 or 3. The ball is in our court, because even if West Coast get pick 3, they are still no certainty to get Morton.
Another point, is the AFL going to ever give clubs the opportunity to trade future first round picks?
I think the NBA do it, for example Carlton could give pick 3 to West Coast and their first round picks for 2008 and 2009.
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We're in a win, win and win situation.
We could get something really good for pick 2 (Collingwood board offered Rusling and Maxwell lol). Start with Scott Pendlebury and we'll listen.
If we don't, then we keep pick 2.
No deal done, we take Judd in the PSD. Deal done, we keep 1 in the PSD and hopefully not draft Knobel Mk II.
I don't know what the third win is for, I got carried away.
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as someone else said shake the tree hard enough dont know what will fall out of it.
stay tuned rogerd3 :shh
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Mark Robinson said on SEN that a little birdy told him it's out of Carlton and Collingwood.
He and Mark Doran ruled Richmond out as we have pick 2 and only Foley to offer which we wouldn't do and Judd won't walk into the PSD. Robbo then said why would Judd want to go to Richmond who are 3-4 years away while in the same breath he said Carlton will rise next year with Judd and as well as Stevens back. A Tiger supporter picked him up on it yet Robbo stuck to saying Carlton are ahead of Richmond.
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Mark Robinson said on SEN that a little birdy told him it's out of Carlton and Collingwood.
He and Mark Doran ruled Richmond out as we have pick 2 and only Foley to offer which we wouldn't do and Judd won't walk into the PSD. Robbo then said why would Judd want to go to Richmond who are 3-4 years away while in the same breath he said Carlton will rise next year with Judd and as well as Stevens back. A Tiger supporter picked him up on it yet Robbo stuck to saying Carlton are ahead of Richmond.
robbo is a dill of the highest order, more like a little birdy shat on the lard ass.
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well all the talk last year was the lack of trade deals done and what a waste of time it was, something tells me that this year could be a toally different story.
let games begin :whistle
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Everytime a big name is out of contract, the Pies are always named as favourites to get them but they never do. Browny, Stevens, Gehrig, Jonathan Brown, etc all didn't go to the Collingwood. The Pies will end up with pick 14 or 15 which isn't what the Eagles want so they'd need to trade for a top 10 pick first before they could make a offer for Judd.
Geelong is unlikely as it isn't a Melbourne club and doesn't have an early pick either. The Gold Coast talk would count out the Roos.
The Hawks would be in the running as they are just hitting their peak but as another club without a top 10 pick, the Eagles may ask for WA boy Buddy.
In the end it's Judd who'll decide which club he wants to go to and the Eagles will have to make it happen if they want something in return. Btw I can't believe Judd hasn't made up his mind already on what Melbourne club he wants to head to before publicly quitting the Eagles. He said today he's been thinking about this for 2 years so he and his manager you would think would have a specific club in mind.
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I agree that Judd most likely won't be coming to Richmond. I ain't trading pick 2 or Foley or Lids. The only way he can come to Punt Road for me is through PSD but he has a 'conscience' and 'loyalty' to his club ::)
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The only way he can come to Punt Road for me is through PSD but he has a 'conscience' and 'loyalty' to his club ::)
This won't mean a thing in a few days. It's like Kevin Sheedy and Essendon.
You can try as hard as you can to make it a amicable split up, but someone will be very bitter.
Worsfold, Gooding etc. would of all thought the same thing yesterday when Judd told them his decision... 'Judd you c**t'
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Let Carlton blow millions on him and let's get some younger Judds lol
He's a player that relies pretty much on the impact of his speed and such.
A groin injury that could recur will bring him back a bit close to mere mortals.
He's too much of a risk at the price he'll command.
Shiit I wish we had some money though lol
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well all the talk last year was the lack of trade deals done and what a waste of time it was, something tells me that this year could be a toally different story.
let games begin :whistle
The only hitch is every other trade will be held up until the Judd deal is done. If it's like previous trade weeks there'll be bugger all action for 3 days :sleep and we won't know until the last 24 hours before the trade week deadline.
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:sleep wake me up when it's over.
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Shiit I wish we had some money though lol
Where's Crazy John :whistle
Worsfold, Gooding etc. would of all thought the same thing yesterday when Judd told them his decision... 'Judd you ****'
It looked like they were still thinking that going by Worsfold's face today at the press conference. Only Judd looked happy and was laughing.
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Richo was just on SEN at the All-Australian function. He said like anyone he'd love to have Judd at Richmond but it would be a pretty hard trade to pull off.
Another point, is the AFL going to ever give clubs the opportunity to trade future first round picks?
They were thinking about it but trading future picks hasn't come in as yet?
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Another point, is the AFL going to ever give clubs the opportunity to trade future first round picks?
They were thinking about it but trading future picks hasn't come in as yet?
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I think if the AFL allowed that sort of thing to happen they would be asking for trouble. Keep it simple.
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Caro says Judd doesn't want to go to Richmond. He's use to good facilities so that ruled us and the Roos out.
4 clubs shortlisted - Carlton, Collingwood, Essendon and Melbourne in it.
Carey said our pick 2 for Josh Fraser and another player is rumoured ::) :rollin
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ah the duck has been stuck in toilet again, wonder who he was feeling up this time, if the woods want one of our picks hand over a class player, fraser a big NO.
yeh right caro and carltons facilities aint that flash.
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The Juddernaut is coming home
Caroline Wilson | September 18, 2007
THE biggest trade in AFL history has officially moved into overdrive. Having dropped his bombshell and said goodbye to the West Coast Eagles, Chris Judd will fly home to Melbourne tomorrow and hold talks with four clubs — Carlton, Collingwood, Essendon and Melbourne — before the weekend's two preliminary finals have been completed.
Judd is believed to have ruled out several clubs, including Hawthorn, Richmond, and the Western Bulldogs, due to the presence there of Jason Akermanis, who made an unfounded accusation of drug-cheating against Judd's close friend Michael Braun.
Full article at: http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/the-juddernaut-is-coming-home/2007/09/17/1189881432721.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
However, according to the Herald-Sun, the Saints and Hawks will still chase hard for Judd.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22436095%255E19742,00.html
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Interestig comments by Dr Peter Larkins in the Herald-Sun about Judd requiring four mouths off to fix his groin injury. West Coast won't release any details of Judd's injury either.
Sports doctor Peter Larkins said yesterday clubs would be concerned that the diagnosis of Judd's injury was no closer to being unravelled.
Larkins said if Judd's injury concern was osteitis pubis, and those fears have always been denied, Victorian clubs would need reassurances.
"There's been a few well-documented cases of osteitis pubis affecting players for longer than one year and that would be the concern," Larkins said.
Larkins said the four-month time-frame suggested Judd's injury was serious.
"If I was involved at club level, I would be very specific in requesting the medical reports. That would simply be due diligence because he is carrying a medical question mark," Larkins said.
"The fact that Chris said his recovery would be up to four months tells me it is more than a typical adductor release that Brendan Fevola and Michael Voss suffered from."
An osteitis pubis clean-out is more like a four-month recovery period. Certainly it would suggest it's more than a bone spur," Larkins said.
The West Coast Eagles' medical staff have refused to release any details of Judd's injury, a stance they maintained yesterday, despite him having formally quit the club.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22436102%255E20322,00.html
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God, do we really want Princess Judd if he's not used to slum like facilities.
Or do we actually not know what Judd wants and shouldn't listen to Caro and others until Judd makes up his mind.
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ah the duck has been stuck in toilet again, wonder who he was feeling up this time, if the woods want one of our picks hand over a class player, fraser a big NO.
yeh right caro and carltons facilities aint that flash.
Pendlebury is class, that is all i'd want from Collingwood.
If it means them getting Judd, then it's a fair swap.
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Worsfold on 3AW gave a detailed explanation of the Judd injury - from memory he said it wasn't full OP because it only affected one side of his groin, whereas OP affects both sides.
Luke Ball has certainly been affected long term. I think Judd's a medical risk - walk away. Sometimes in life the price is too great and this is a classic case, clubs forming committees to deal with it, everybody prepared to go to the limit.
I have great trouble reconciling Carlton arrogantly holding on to pick one which they stole from us - I can't believe how everybody basically thinks what they did was ok. Let's never forget why they are where they are - they cheated big time.
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Interestig comments by Dr Peter Larkins in the Herald-Sun about Judd requiring four mouths off to fix his groin injury. West Coast won't release any details of Judd's injury either.
Sports doctor Peter Larkins said yesterday clubs would be concerned that the diagnosis of Judd's injury was no closer to being unravelled.
Larkins said if Judd's injury concern was osteitis pubis, and those fears have always been denied, Victorian clubs would need reassurances.
"There's been a few well-documented cases of osteitis pubis affecting players for longer than one year and that would be the concern," Larkins said.
Larkins said the four-month time-frame suggested Judd's injury was serious.
"If I was involved at club level, I would be very specific in requesting the medical reports. That would simply be due diligence because he is carrying a medical question mark," Larkins said.
"The fact that Chris said his recovery would be up to four months tells me it is more than a typical adductor release that Brendan Fevola and Michael Voss suffered from."
An osteitis pubis clean-out is more like a four-month recovery period. Certainly it would suggest it's more than a bone spur," Larkins said.
The West Coast Eagles' medical staff have refused to release any details of Judd's injury, a stance they maintained yesterday, despite him having formally quit the club.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22436102%255E20322,00.html
could it be a case of buyer beware?
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This from Nick's Magpie forum :rollin
Fraser and someone like Holland or Lonie to Richmond for their first round
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Caro is full of poo.
Don't believe a word of it.
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This from Nick's Magpie forum :rollin
Fraser and someone like Holland or Lonie to Richmond for their first round
they are dreamers those woodsmen, i would say no, no, and no.
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This from Nick's Magpie forum :rollin
Fraser and someone like Holland or Lonie to Richmond for their first round
OMGZzzZ!!1wtfbbq!!!1111!eftpos!!!1!one!11 lets do it yeah, we get 2 awesum playerzzz and they will only get one!!1!1! ::)
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However unlikely it is ridiculous to say we are out of the race for Judd as we have the the 1st pick in the PSD.
Remember Lockett chose us his preferred club when he wanted to leave the Saints at the end of 1994. St Kilda wanted the like of Campbell, Knights and even Richo which we refused. Lockett then heads to wooden spooner Sydney and the Saints only end up with Robert Neill (yes who?) and a few draft picks.
From memory wooden spooner St Kilda wasn't Aaron Hamill's choice. Carlton let him go to the "rabble" when Hamill wanted out of the Blues.
Then there's the Nick Stevens scenario:
The Pies want Stevens.
Stevens nominates the Pies as his preferred option.
Stevens' club (Port) refuses to deal with Pies.
Stevens ends up at the wooden spooner via PSD.
Now substitute Judd's name for Nick Stevens in the above
The Pies want Judd.
Judd nominates the Pies as his preferred option.
Judd's club (West Coast) refuses to deal with Pies.
Judd ends up at the wooden spooner via PSD
:whistle :pray
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If the Club even considers that Fraser trade then the Punt Rd might as well close down and everyone inside it sacked.
In any case why would we want to help another club get Judd when we have first pick in the PSD. It's in our interests for trade week to be an utter non-event as far as out of contract players go. Shake the tree by all means but we're not a charity.
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However unlikely it is ridiculous to say we are out of the race for Judd as we have the the 1st pick in the PSD.
Remember Lockett chose us his preferred club when he wanted to leave the Saints at the end of 1994. St Kilda wanted the like of Campbell, Knights and even Richo which we refused. Lockett then heads to wooden spooner Sydney and the Saints only end up with Robert Neill (yes who?) and a few draft picks.
From memory wooden spooner St Kilda wasn't Aaron Hamill's choice. Carlton let him go to the "rabble" when Hamill wanted out of the Blues.
Then there's the Nick Stevens scenario:
The Pies want Stevens.
Stevens nominates the Pies as his preferred option.
Stevens' club (Port) refuses to deal with Pies.
Stevens ends up at the wooden spooner via PSD.
Now substitute Judd's name for Nick Stevens in the above
The Pies want Judd.
Judd nominates the Pies as his preferred option.
Judd's club (West Coast) refuses to deal with Pies.
Judd ends up at the wooden spooner via PSD
:whistle :pray
Could see it happening. The Pies have a habit of totally over-estimating their players worth. Rusling anyone :lol. From memory Port wanted Didak (back when he had not shown much) and the Pies didn't want to deal.
They'd offer something like Rusling and their first round pick to the Eagles.
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What I would want for pick 2 scenarios
Carlton
West Coast might want pick 2 and 3 for Judd
What I want - Carlton pick 1
Collingwood
They need pick 2 in my opinion
What I want - Pendlebury and Reid
Essendon
Pick 2 and 6 for Judd
What I want - Pick 6 :lol and Gumbleton
Hawthorn
What I want - Hodge
Melbourne
Pick 2 and 4 for Judd
What I want - Nathan Jones and Brock McLean
St Kilda
Pick 2 and 9 for Judd
What I want - Armitage and Dal Santo
Kangaroos
Unlikely to get him
What I want - Hamish McIntosh and Lachlan Hansen
All unrealistic, but we can afford to be :lol
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From SEN:
Richo is prepared to take a paycut to have Judd at Richmond.
No word as yet from us on whether we are in or out as far as Judd goes so so much for Caro's spiel last night :whistle.
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its all hearsay a.t.m. where the hell judd goes, at least it could make for an interesting trade period for a change.
hell the guy probably doesnt even know himself.
gotta love these so-called reporters they are trying to out do each other with the big scoop on where he is going, its gonna come down to who wants him the most and what they are willing to trade for him.
now whats this about mcclean wanting out of the demons?
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What I would want for pick 2 scenarios
Carlton
West Coast might want pick 2 and 3 for Judd
What I want - Carlton pick 1
If the Blues won't give pick 1 to the Eagles for Judd then they definitely wouldn't give it us in a trade. Screw them anyway lol.
Collingwood
They need pick 2 in my opinion
What I want - Pendlebury and Reid
Not bad but your other options are better and it's the Pies so screw them too ;D.
Essendon
Pick 2 and 6 for Judd
What I want - Pick 6 :lol and Gumbleton
Change Gumbleton to Ryder (rumour is Gumbleton is homesick). Add Rance with pick 6 and our spine problems would be basically sorted out.
Hawthorn
What I want - Hodge
LOL. Love the bias our way in these wayne ;D.
Melbourne
Pick 2 and 4 for Judd
What I want - Nathan Jones and Brock McLean
See above.
St Kilda
Pick 2 and 9 for Judd
What I want - Armitage and Dal Santo
Dal Santo is a receiver. Not what we need.
Kangaroos
Unlikely to get him
What I want - Hamish McIntosh and Lachlan Hansen
Good for us tall wise but the Gold Coast option will turn Judd off North.
All unrealistic, but we can afford to be :lol
Yep just a touch unrealistic :lol but you're right wayne. Let's shake that tree ;D.
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its all hearsay a.t.m. where the hell judd goes, at least it could make for an interesting trade period for a change.
hell the guy probably doesnt even know himself.
gotta love these so-called reporters they are trying to out do each other with the big scoop on where he is going, its gonna come down to who wants him the most and what they are willing to trade for him.
now whats this about mcclean wanting out of the demons?
I'm listening, tell me about McLean??
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its all hearsay a.t.m. where the hell judd goes, at least it could make for an interesting trade period for a change.
hell the guy probably doesnt even know himself.
gotta love these so-called reporters they are trying to out do each other with the big scoop on where he is going, its gonna come down to who wants him the most and what they are willing to trade for him.
now whats this about mcclean wanting out of the demons?
I don't care who it is as long as some quality comes our way via the PSD :pray. About time we got a lucky break (excuse the pun). Not just another Knobel ::).
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Was McLean a Richmond supporter?
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Caro says Judd doesn't want to go to Richmond. He's use to good facilities so that ruled us and the Roos out.
4 clubs shortlisted - Carlton, Collingwood, Essendon and Melbourne in it.
Carey said our pick 2 for Josh Fraser and another player is rumoured ::) :rollin
Cary is an absolute moron pick 2 does not equate to Josh Fraser, Fraser is actually a very big disappointment ability and injury wise quite frankly.
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Caro talks thru her dilated butthole.
We're a great chance to get Judd.
Get used to it.
Nobody here has any fukcen clue anyway...
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its all hearsay a.t.m. where the hell judd goes, at least it could make for an interesting trade period for a change.
hell the guy probably doesnt even know himself.
gotta love these so-called reporters they are trying to out do each other with the big scoop on where he is going, its gonna come down to who wants him the most and what they are willing to trade for him.
now whats this about mcclean wanting out of the demons?
I'm listening, tell me about McLean??
so is mclean available, i didnt know he was out of contract or wanting out from the demons. in reality for what we need id prefer mclean to judd. about 1/3rd the cost of judd and someone to help foley and co.
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What I would want for pick 2 scenarios
Carlton
West Coast might want pick 2 and 3 for Judd
What I want - Carlton pick 1
Collingwood
They need pick 2 in my opinion
What I want - Pendlebury and Reid
Essendon
Pick 2 and 6 for Judd
What I want - Pick 6 :lol and Gumbleton
Hawthorn
What I want - Hodge
Melbourne
Pick 2 and 4 for Judd
What I want - Nathan Jones and Brock McLean
St Kilda
Pick 2 and 9 for Judd
What I want - Armitage and Dal Santo
Kangaroos
Unlikely to get him
What I want - Hamish McIntosh and Lachlan Hansen
All unrealistic, but we can afford to be :lol
This is the way we should be thinking or at least exploring possibilities.
Someone is going to want our pick 2 in an attempt to get the judd deal for themselves over the line.
Carlton have pick 1 and 3. At the moment per some media reports they have offered West Coast their pick 3 a latter pick and a player. This of course is only their opening bid, however I do believe that Carlton would be prepared to give up their 1st and 3rd picks to ultimately secure Judd. The big question that has to be answered is WHO IS JUDDS PREFFERED OPTION, If it is Melbourne and I very much expect it to be Melbourne then I believe for them to get the deal over the line they are going to require our pick 2 to do it. As Mighty Tiges said in an earlier post "we are not a charity" However If Melbourne offered us (example only: Colin Sylvia and Brock Mclean) for this pick then I believe that would be adequate compensation, this then would give melbourne the ability to go to the table with West Coast and offer picks 2 and 4 for Judd. It's not 1 and 3 but it could be an acceptable outcome for all involved.
Lets look at pick 2 for a moment
1. 17 or 18 years of age
2. Raw Talent
3. Top 1% of demonstrated ability for peer group.
4. Top % for potential success at AFL level
5. Potential 10 plus year career in AFL
6. Potential 200 to 250 game player for the club
If the above criteria is intrinsic with a pick 2 then it stands to reason that if you were to trade a pick 2 then you would be expecting to gain a player or players that would closley approximate the criteria above, otherwise you could be found guilty of short changing yourself in the long run.
You certainly would not be looking to trade your pick 2 for Josh Fraser. That says a lot about how Wayne Carey views Richmond, he thinks we are fools. He knows that there are going to be some stupid gullable bastards that will believe him and think it is a great Idea.
Regardless of the crap that eminates from Carey's mouth we could find ourselves in a situation where a great deal could be possible, the deal would have to closly follow the parameters of the above criteria we could trade for a player who is 20, who was also an early draft pick and still fits all of the other criteria but we have the added bonus of a more mature player, raw talent that has been developed to some extent already and we have him now we don't have to wait another 2-3 years for him to grow and develop he already has. Its ok to do this at the younger levels but when you get into the mid 20's the exercise becomes a short term gain option. It too can have its place, but not in our current situation.
So given the above criteria who is a potential tiger player and which club stands the best chance of gaining our pick 2 and chris judd.
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Hello?
The lack of cunning on this board,while refreshing,is quite a concern.
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Hello?
The lack of cunning on this board,while refreshing,is quite a concern.
Do you mean Ox agreeing to let the Blues take Judd in the PSD if they give us pick 1 or 3 and then shafting them by picking up Judd anyway in the PSD :rollin.
Or how about slipping a Ch 7 reporter phoney medical reports of Judd's condition showing his groin problem is much more serious than anyone realises so no one wants him and we pick him up in the PSD.
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along those lines.
What has the system done for us lately ?
What friends ????
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along those lines.
What has the system done for us lately ?
What friends ????
That's true Ox but in reality we still need to walk a fine line. If we get a reputation of shafting clubs who trade with us then in future years no one will. That's what happened to Sheeds and Essendon. In Sheeds' last few year hardly any other club would trade with Essendon and so they got left holding onto their average players. Collingwood is in a similar boat for different reasons. As wayne said they think all their players are superstars :nope and miss out on the big fish all the time. Every Pie supporter thinks Rusling and their first pick (#14) will get them Judd :wallywink.
The 1st PSD pick is a massive trump card for us given now the likelihood of a number of quality players entering the market. Like a Tiger be patient as others show their hand, wait for the right moment and then pounce :thumbsup.
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Hello?
The lack of cunning on this board,while refreshing,is quite a concern.
Do you mean Ox agreeing to let the Blues take Judd in the PSD if they give us pick 1 or 3 and then shafting them by picking up Judd anyway in the PSD :rollin.
Or how about slipping a Ch 7 reporter phoney medical reports of Judd's condition showing his groin problem is much more serious than anyone realises so no one wants him and we pick him up in the PSD.
that's using your noggin :thumbsup
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We show no mercy,BS our arses off and then screw them all,ultimately leading to securing Judd.
We then blame Miller for using tactics contrary to the RFC code of conduct and fire him in disgust.
PS - Now would be a good time for the bog wog CRAZY JOHN to donate new facilities to the club that he has constantly flaunted his riches in front of.
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All clubs should be making an issue of Hos OP condition-will help level the playing field for us all
IMO, he needs most of 08 off and huge 09 pre season
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Adelaide's former recruiter who brought Jarman and Carey to the Crows said on SEN that Judd would have no hesitation going to Richmond. We have an exciting group of youngsters.
He also said in his experience Judd will base on his decision on the playing group of the club he wants to go to. How he fits in (Adelaide got Carey by organising a night for Carey to meet the playing group). He did say Carlton are favourites as they have picks 1 & 3 plus a player to offer. Us, Essendon and Collingwood could all afford him.
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We then blame Miller for using tactics contrary to the RFC code of conduct and fire him in disgust.
Pure evil. I love it!
:thumbsup
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Adelaide's former recruiter who brought Jarman and Carey to the Crows said on SEN that Judd would have no hesitation going to Richmond. We have an exciting group of youngsters.
Der fred :shh
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We then blame Miller for using tactics contrary to the RFC code of conduct and fire him in disgust.
Pure evil. I love it!
:thumbsup
and the best part is,the only person we lose is Miller - enter Sheeds.
Graeme Richmond,here we come.
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This is the way we should be thinking or at least exploring possibilities.
Someone is going to want our pick 2 in an attempt to get the judd deal for themselves over the line.
Carlton have pick 1 and 3. At the moment per some media reports they have offered West Coast their pick 3 a latter pick and a player. This of course is only their opening bid, however I do believe that Carlton would be prepared to give up their 1st and 3rd picks to ultimately secure Judd. The big question that has to be answered is WHO IS JUDDS PREFFERED OPTION, If it is Melbourne and I very much expect it to be Melbourne then I believe for them to get the deal over the line they are going to require our pick 2 to do it. As Mighty Tiges said in an earlier post "we are not a charity" However If Melbourne offered us (example only: Colin Sylvia and Brock Mclean) for this pick then I believe that would be adequate compensation, this then would give melbourne the ability to go to the table with West Coast and offer picks 2 and 4 for Judd. It's not 1 and 3 but it could be an acceptable outcome for all involved.
Lets look at pick 2 for a moment
1. 17 or 18 years of age
2. Raw Talent
3. Top 1% of demonstrated ability for peer group.
4. Top % for potential success at AFL level
5. Potential 10 plus year career in AFL
6. Potential 200 to 250 game player for the club
If the above criteria is intrinsic with a pick 2 then it stands to reason that if you were to trade a pick 2 then you would be expecting to gain a player or players that would closley approximate the criteria above, otherwise you could be found guilty of short changing yourself in the long run.
You certainly would not be looking to trade your pick 2 for Josh Fraser. That says a lot about how Wayne Carey views Richmond, he thinks we are fools. He knows that there are going to be some stupid gullable bastards that will believe him and think it is a great Idea.
Regardless of the crap that eminates from Carey's mouth we could find ourselves in a situation where a great deal could be possible, the deal would have to closly follow the parameters of the above criteria we could trade for a player who is 20, who was also an early draft pick and still fits all of the other criteria but we have the added bonus of a more mature player, raw talent that has been developed to some extent already and we have him now we don't have to wait another 2-3 years for him to grow and develop he already has. Its ok to do this at the younger levels but when you get into the mid 20's the exercise becomes a short term gain option. It too can have its place, but not in our current situation.
So given the above criteria who is a potential tiger player and which club stands the best chance of gaining our pick 2 and chris judd.
Good summary of the criteria for pick 2 RR :clapping
I see it the same way that another Club will have to offer us a deal too good to refuse before parting with pick 2. I'll be happy with Cotchin at Punt Rd if nothing happens. The kid can play.
If all these clubs are after early picks to get Judd then the demand makes these picks more valuable. It'll also reduce the time for other out of contract players to be traded. Our PSD pick allows us to be stubborn so-and-soes during trade week and we must be. Divide and conquer :thumbsup.
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Adelaide's former recruiter who brought Jarman and Carey to the Crows said on SEN that Judd would have no hesitation going to Richmond. We have an exciting group of youngsters.
Der fred :shh
Not according to the Richmond-hating idiots on Footy Classified. To them we are not worthy ::) :chuck.
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If we remain shrewd,arrogant and aloof,we r in the box seat.
Fug em all.
Carlton-"but u said we could have pick one in the PSD"
Miller-"Chris Judd -....stuff k off!"
Time to get down and dirty...like a myspace ho with 1 million friends...
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Adelaide's former recruiter who brought Jarman and Carey to the Crows said on SEN that Judd would have no hesitation going to Richmond. We have an exciting group of youngsters.
Der fred :shh
Not according to the Richmond-hating idiots on Footy Classified. To them we are not worthy ::) :chuck.
WTF would they know - they're pen pushing sheep.
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someone should go to Fevs restaurant and drop a couple of eccies into his drink
Our biggest hurdle is Pratts tenacity....but his moves are quite limited,really.
If he does too much,the media will begin drawing Elliot comparisons.,a part of their culture that is not forgotten
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latest offering from 3aw, Richmond seem hamstrung due to TPP, we have little room in the salary cap. WTF!
If those idiots at Punt Rd are paying more than 94 to 95% of the salary cap they should all be fired.
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by the way can anyone confirm the situation of Brock McLeans contract or commitment at Melbourne.
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I would be staggered if we are paying more than 95-96% of the TPP
We would have room to move no doubt.
I think we have as much chance as any other Club. Whether the nuffs on the Footy Classified want to admit or notwe have something that would appeal and that's pick 2. That puts us in the running.
Whether we should part with it is another question altogether. Personally I would consider it depending on what else the Eagles want.
A deal will get done no question - wouldn't be surpsied if it ends a 3 or 4 team deal
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someone should go to Fevs restaurant and drop a couple of eccies into his drink
Our biggest hurdle is Pratts tenacity....but his moves are quite limited,really.
If he does too much,the media will begin drawing Elliot comparisons.,a part of their culture that is not forgotten
no need to drop the bickies im sure he has bags of them. :shh
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latest offering from 3aw, Richmond seem hamstrung due to TPP, we have little room in the salary cap. WTF!
If those idiots at Punt Rd are paying more than 94 to 95% of the salary cap they should all be fired.
this is downright unbelievable, no wonder we are a laughing stock, hell if i didnt support the RFC i would be peeing myself.
whose head to we need to kick in?
miller?
as for mcclean mumur i was told that he was unhappy at demonland from a credible friend who works within the confines of a certain melbourne presidents company make of that what you want.
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
we are continually chasing our tails while ass wipes like miller are running the punch and judy show down there.
no more donations from this little black duck ive had a gutful. beer that is...lol
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latest offering from 3aw, Richmond seem hamstrung due to TPP, we have little room in the salary cap. WTF!
If those idiots at Punt Rd are paying more than 94 to 95% of the salary cap they should all be fired.
You would think Gasper going will free up some room and maybe we are paying Richo/Brown/Bowden over the odds now while we have spare cash on the basis further contracts will be lower when we need to up the contracts of the young guys - just thinking out loud nevermind me
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latest offering from 3aw, Richmond seem hamstrung due to TPP, we have little room in the salary cap. WTF!
If those idiots at Punt Rd are paying more than 94 to 95% of the salary cap they should all be fired.
this is downright unbelievable, no wonder we are a laughing stock, hell if i didnt support the RFC i would be peeing myself.
whose head to we need to kick in?
miller?
as for mcclean mumur i was told that he was unhappy at demonland from a credible friend who works within the confines of a certain melbourne presidents company make of that what you want.
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
we are continually chasing our tails while ass wipes like miller are running the punch and judy show down there.
no more donations from this little black duck ive had a gutful. beer that is...lol
mclean > judd for our needs
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latest offering from 3aw, Richmond seem hamstrung due to TPP, we have little room in the salary cap. WTF!
If those idiots at Punt Rd are paying more than 94 to 95% of the salary cap they should all be fired.
Remember we have restricted our TPP to a certain level the last few years due to financial constraints and won't exceed it. So how can we have little room in our actual salary cap when we restrict ourselves to well below it. 3aw talking crap. A TPP of 97% of the salary cap rings a bell but I could be wrong.
Joel will replace Gas on the vets list so only half of Joel's salary will count towards the cap. We have the room. It's a matter of whether we are willing to pay the kind of dough bandied around for Judd. Whichever club gets him will require some creative accounting to fit as much as possible of Judd's salary under "marketing" so it's outside the salary cap.
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Ch 10 news tonight showed Lloyd saying Essendon are willing to trade off their WA players (Ryder, Gumbleton, Jetta) and their fist pick for Judd.
Nice of the captain to be so easily willing to shove off his young teammates to another club :whistle.
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LLoyd is a effhead. It shows though the possible extent that clubs are going to go to in order to try and get this guy. Can we find our own Alan Bond?
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The Bombers are in damage control over Lloyd's statements of trading away their WA youngsters Ryder and Gumbleton and their first pick for Judd. CEO Peter Jackson and their recruiter Adrian Dodoro had to come out and retract the comments. Lloyd mentioned homesickness as a reason which ties in with rumours that Gumbleton is homesick.
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The Australian says,
Carlton CEO Swann says the starting bid for Judd is their picks 3 and 20. He has dismissed trading Fevola or pick 1 (which is for Kreuzer) but they may pursue other trades to secure another first round pick.
The Australian has the Pies as favourites and should Judd settle on Collingwood, it will be up to the Pies to come up with a better package of draft picks. Otherwise, West Coast will use the threat of the pre-season draft where Richmond and then Carlton have the first two selections of out-of-contract players.
The Age says,
Judd has told the Hawks he's not interested in going to Hawthorn and won't be meeting them.
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Richmond appears unlikely to buy into the chase for Judd, according to football director Greg Miller.
"I'm going to talk to Paul Connors tomorrow and then we've got a board meeting tomorrow night," Miller said yesterday. "We've got a youth policy and at this stage I don't think we'll be trading our first draft choice."
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22442272-5012432,00.html
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Our pick 2 could become extremley valuable during this deal, make no mistake I believe we are in this deal up to our eyeballs, we wont necessarily get Judd, but what are we going to get offered for that pick.
All this talk of us getting something for pick 2 and trading it away; how about we keep it and take Kruezer or Cotchin. That sounds like a plan to me. ;)
GO TIGES!!!
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The Age says,
Judd has told the Hawks he's not interested in going to Hawthorn and won't be meeting them.
Doesn't that say a lot :shh
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getting judd would be very dangerous
not only because we dont really know if judd will ever get his only assett "speed" back and whether he wil have the same impact for us that he had at the eagles. we know chronic groin problems eventually slpw u down, ball and cogs are 2 examples
but
the biggest problem in getting judd would be that it may destablise the group and plans we have. it reminds me of when we resigned gaspar on that huge contract, it destroyed the spirit withing the club. atm, we dont have a top team, but we have plenty of spirit. getting judd and losing topo draft pics and good players will tear the team up.
if judd falls through to the psd , and we lose nothing 4 him fine, thats the only way
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couldnt imagine him going from the frying pan (WC) into the fire (hawks), mind you when you post 2.5 mill profit(hawks apparently) it would be attractive.
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latest offering from 3aw, Richmond seem hamstrung due to TPP, we have little room in the salary cap. WTF!
If those idiots at Punt Rd are paying more than 94 to 95% of the salary cap they should all be fired.
Remember we have restricted our TPP to a certain level the last few years due to financial constraints and won't exceed it. So how can we have little room in our actual salary cap when we restrict ourselves to well below it. 3aw talking crap. A TPP of 97% of the salary cap rings a bell but I could be wrong.
Joel will replace Gas on the vets list so only half of Joel's salary will count towards the cap. We have the room. It's a matter of whether we are willing to pay the kind of dough bandied around for Judd. Whichever club gets him will require some creative accounting to fit as much as possible of Judd's salary under "marketing" so it's outside the salary cap.
hope you are right oh mightyone, would peeed if it was really the other way round, as each year passes i get concerned with miller handing out the pay packets.
thankgod we have steve wright crosssing the t's and dotting the i's.
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The Age says,
Judd has told the Hawks he's not interested in going to Hawthorn and won't be meeting them.
Doesn't that say a lot :shh
mmmm doesnt want to go from one recovering d____ ravaged club to another that has the same issues and doesnt seem to be recovering at all. :shh
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latest offering from 3aw, Richmond seem hamstrung due to TPP, we have little room in the salary cap. WTF!
If those idiots at Punt Rd are paying more than 94 to 95% of the salary cap they should all be fired.
Remember we have restricted our TPP to a certain level the last few years due to financial constraints and won't exceed it. So how can we have little room in our actual salary cap when we restrict ourselves to well below it. 3aw talking crap. A TPP of 97% of the salary cap rings a bell but I could be wrong.
Joel will replace Gas on the vets list so only half of Joel's salary will count towards the cap. We have the room. It's a matter of whether we are willing to pay the kind of dough bandied around for Judd. Whichever club gets him will require some creative accounting to fit as much as possible of Judd's salary under "marketing" so it's outside the salary cap.
hope you are right oh mightyone, would peeed if it was really the other way round, as each year passes i get concerned with miller handing out the pay packets.
thankgod we have steve wright crosssing the t's and dotting the i's.
relax rogerd3
Plenty of room in the tpp, plenty.
This is all semantics until trade week
Sleep tight and read a good book, keep away from the papers and the radio, wait until friday 12th October 2.00pm. All will be revealed. :thumbsup
Judd is ours if we want him, the questions are
1. do we want to pay 18% of the tpp to one player.
2. What example will Judds pay set for our developing stars ( Foley, Lids, Thirsty, Edwards, Jack, Blinger)
3. Do we want to change our original plans working towards developing our own stars till 2011.
4. Whats his groin like?
Judd is the best player in the league, he will pay for himself in memberships. he will provide a superb example for our developing talent.
Leave this one to greg and stephen, trust me, they know what they are doing :shh
As interesting sidenote, everybody wants our pick2, not saying we will trade it, but it is becoming more and more valuable by the day. :thumbsup
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getting judd would be very dangerous
You're right.
We might actually improve. ::)
I hope Miller can convince his manager today that Tigerland is where his future lies. :thumbsup
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Exciting post blaisee.
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latest offering from 3aw, Richmond seem hamstrung due to TPP, we have little room in the salary cap. WTF!
If those idiots at Punt Rd are paying more than 94 to 95% of the salary cap they should all be fired.
Remember we have restricted our TPP to a certain level the last few years due to financial constraints and won't exceed it. So how can we have little room in our actual salary cap when we restrict ourselves to well below it. 3aw talking crap. A TPP of 97% of the salary cap rings a bell but I could be wrong.
Joel will replace Gas on the vets list so only half of Joel's salary will count towards the cap. We have the room. It's a matter of whether we are willing to pay the kind of dough bandied around for Judd. Whichever club gets him will require some creative accounting to fit as much as possible of Judd's salary under "marketing" so it's outside the salary cap.
hope you are right oh mightyone, would peeed if it was really the other way round, as each year passes i get concerned with miller handing out the pay packets.
thankgod we have steve wright crosssing the t's and dotting the i's.
relax rogerd3
Plenty of room in the tpp, plenty.
This is all semantics until trade week
Sleep tight and read a good book, keep away from the papers and the radio, wait until friday 12th October 2.00pm. All will be revealed. :thumbsup
Judd is ours if we want him, the questions are
1. do we want to pay 18% of the tpp to one player.
2. What example will Judds pay set for our developing stars ( Foley, Lids, Thirsty, Edwards, Jack, Blinger)
3. Do we want to change our original plans working towards developing our own stars till 2011.
4. Whats his groin like?
Judd is the best player in the league, he will pay for himself in memberships. he will provide a superb example for our developing talent.
Leave this one to greg and stephen, trust me, they know what they are doing :shh
As interesting sidenote, everybody wants our pick2, not saying we will trade it, but it is becoming more and more valuable by the day. :thumbsup
Ahhhhh Blaisee - A voice of reason in a sea of panic.
Are you listening Flubber boy ???
Personally, would prefer we develop our own, BUT, Judd is the only exception if his groin is repairable to get to back to his brilliant best.
I saw an 18y-o Judd play his 1st (and only) game of WAFL for East Perth in 2002. He had 5 goals and 32 touches to 3/4 time. Andy Lovell made the call at 3/4 time, Chris you're in cotton wool.
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Herald-Sun today gave us a 3/10 chance of getting. Carlton was 9/10, Collingwood 7/10, Essendon 6.5/10, Melbourne 5/10 and Hawthorn 4.5/10.
They said we would need to trade either pick 2 and one of Foley/Lids or picks 2, 18 and Tambling.
Attraction to Judd: Big 4 club, MCG, fanatical supporter base, "if being the white knight for a club lost in the abyss is a challenge then look no futher than the Tigers"
Turn off for Judd: Bottom side, 3 years at least off challenging.
Herald-Sun says we're pushing uphill and have already heard we are not a consideration.
Greg Miller said he will meet Judd's manager Paul Connors tomorrow but haven't had answers at this stage.
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Herald-Sun today gave us a 3/10 chance of getting. Carlton was 9/10, Collingwood 7/10, Essendon 6.5/10, Melbourne 5/10 and Hawthorn 4.5/10.
They said we would need to trade either pick 2 and one of Foley/Lids or picks 2, 18 and Tambling.
Attraction to Judd: Big 4 club, MCG, fanatical supporter base, "if being the white knight for a club lost in the abyss is a challenge then look no futher than the Tigers"
Turn off for Judd: Bottom side, 3 years at least off challenging.
Herald-Sun says we're pushing uphill and have already heard we are not a consideration.
Greg Miller said he will meet Judd's manager Paul Connors tomorrow but haven't had answers at this stage.
absolute dic keheads.
LMAO @ "WHAT THEY SAY"
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Herald-Sun today gave us a 3/10 chance of getting. Carlton was 9/10, Collingwood 7/10, Essendon 6.5/10, Melbourne 5/10 and Hawthorn 4.5/10.
They said we would need to trade either pick 2 and one of Foley/Lids or picks 2, 18 and Tambling.
Attraction to Judd: Big 4 club, MCG, fanatical supporter base, "if being the white knight for a club lost in the abyss is a challenge then look no futher than the Tigers"
Turn off for Judd: Bottom side, 3 years at least off challenging.
Herald-Sun says we're pushing uphill and have already heard we are not a consideration.
Greg Miller said he will meet Judd's manager Paul Connors tomorrow but haven't had answers at this stage.
If people didn't happen to see it, you missed a good laugh at whoever wrote the Essendon piece.
Here is a highlight of the humorous moments:
What they will offer?
Essendon will offer pick 6, 23 and Courtney Johns or Keplar Bradley :lol
They might have to throw a McPhee in as well :lol
What will attract Judd?
The team is young, talented and on the improve :lol
Priceless, I think it'd have to be the comedy stylings of Mark Robinson
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Asked what Judd was worth for trade, Gooding replied:
"Selections, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17.
translation = nobody will reach an agreement and Judd enters PSD.
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Asked what Judd was worth for trade, Gooding replied:
"Selections, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17.
translation = nobody will reach an agreement and Judd enters PSD.
the weagles are not in the box seat. Judd has already said he is leaving, the weagles are going to have to take what they can get otherwise he leaves for free
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Asked what Judd was worth for trade, Gooding replied:
"Selections, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17.
translation = nobody will reach an agreement and Judd enters PSD.
the weagles are not in the box seat. Judd has already said he is leaving, the weagles are going to have to take what they can get otherwise he leaves for free
It'd be great if the Eagles do a Port Adelaide with Nick Stevens and use Judd as an example to anyone wishing to leave that they'll head straight to the wooden spooners in the PSD but I can't see the Eagles doing this. With Stevens Port missed out on one pick. With Judd the Eagles can score two easily. To good an offer to miss out on that could win them the flag next year as their midfield is strong even without Judd.
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If people didn't happen to see it, you missed a good laugh at whoever wrote the Essendon piece.
Here is a highlight of the humorous moments:
What they will offer?
Essendon will offer pick 6, 23 and Courtney Johns or Keplar Bradley :lol
They might have to throw a McPhee in as well :lol
What will attract Judd?
The team is young, talented and on the improve :lol
Priceless, I think it'd have to be the comedy stylings of Mark Robinson
I almost fell off my chair reading that. Obviously Mark Robinson did the Bombers' spiel :rollin :wallywink.
The Eagles would want none of those lol. McPhee left Freo because he wanted to return to Victoria so why would he want to go back to WA. Geez these journos type crap these days.
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well we know its down to 4, now let the games begin.
just sit tight if anyone wants our pick they would want to deliver with the goods otherwise we stick to our original plan and use our picks wisely.
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It'd be great if the Eagles do a Port Adelaide with Nick Stevens and use Judd as an example to anyone wishing to leave that they'll head straight to the wooden spooners in the PSD but I can't see the Eagles doing this. With Stevens Port missed out on one pick. With Judd the Eagles can score two easily. To good an offer to miss out on that could win them the flag next year as their midfield is strong even without Judd.
ditto, thinking the same thing
if i was wce, i would reject every offer given, why should they give judd what he wants after he walked out. ok wce will get nothing, but judd isnt a player u can replace anyway, they still have cousins, kerr, embley, fletcher, priddis , selwood, etc etc etc
they dont really need judd or a replacement
i say screw judd, dont trade , let him go str8 to the psd ! :lol
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The former Eagles has landed. From the Age:
Judd will meet with Carlton, Collingwood, Essendon and Melbourne, while St Kilda and Hawthorn have also indicated they are very interested in recruiting him.
"I don't know a lot about how the different clubs work, so it will be a good chance to meet and greet and....make a decision on the future," he said before leaving Perth.
When asked if he had a preferred club, Judd replied: "Not at this stage, I will go there with an open mind and I'm just looking forward to getting back to Melbourne."
http://www.theage.com.au/news/Sport/Judd-flies-to-Melbourne-for-talks/2007/09/19/1189881592225.html
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The former Eagles has landed. From the Age:
Judd will meet with Carlton, Collingwood, Essendon and Melbourne, while St Kilda and Hawthorn have also indicated they are very interested in recruiting him.
"I don't know a lot about how the different clubs work, so it will be a good chance to meet and greet and....make a decision on the future," he said before leaving Perth.
When asked if he had a preferred club, Judd replied: "Not at this stage, I will go there with an open mind and I'm just looking forward to getting back to Melbourne."
http://www.theage.com.au/news/Sport/Judd-flies-to-Melbourne-for-talks/2007/09/19/1189881592225.html
its gonna be like seagulls to hot chips.
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Mark Fine on SEN reckons Judd has told the Hawks he's not interested all 3 times he's been contacted because he's good mates with Stephen Greene who was axed by the Hawks.
The Age says Judd has said no to the Saints too. Still only talking to the 4 clubs - Blues, Pies, Bombers and Dees.
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Judd will need to talk to us and talk to us in length
due to the fact that the deals and his wishes/demands may not eventuate
and he may come to us via the PSD :thumbsup.
If he is smart or his manager is he will do that before he sits down with any other club to discuss anything.
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i still reckon melbourne is the 1, mcclean tigerland?...
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Interesting remarks from the Eagles on what they want for Judd....
Talks between Judd and his agent Paul Connors have been scheduled with Carlton and Melbourne tomorrow, and Essendon on the weekend. They will talk to Collingwood as soon as the Magpies end their finals campaign.
West Coast chief executive Trevor Nisbett said the Eagles needed two to three options from Judd, and they expect a decision by next week.
"We require several options, otherwise it could become difficult," Nisbett said. "If it's only one option, one club, that could make it extremely tough for us to assist him.
"It's a matter of him talking to clubs and then him indicating to us his preferred options, not just one option.
"Chris needs to meet a number of clubs and we need a firm commitment from one club. We'd be hoping to get something done early in trade week.
"It's not a matter of what we want, it's a matter of what people are prepared to trade for the best player in the country."
Nisbett conceded that most scenarios were hypothetical. "Carlton says they won't deal with the first pick, and Richmond says they're reluctant to use the second selection for Judd," he said. "It doesn't mean it's gospel. I don't believe everything is set in concrete.
"We will do the best we can for our business."
"Collingwood is not in the driver's seat unless it is prepared to do deals," Nisbett said. "The difficulty is that Collingwood will finish a long way up the ladder."
By finishing in the top four, the Magpies' best possible draft selection would be No.14.
"Now if they came to us and said you can have Scott Pendlebury and Dale Thomas, that would be a different scenario," Nisbett said.
If the Eagles are not satisfied with a suitable trade, then Judd would remain out of contract and be available to Richmond, which has first choice in the pre-season draft in December.
"I don't think it will get to that," Nisbett said. "We are prepared to trade and we'll fulfil that. Chris Judd is a reasonable person."
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22447685-5012432,00.html
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Reading between the lines, the Eagles still consider us as a trade option even if we're not at the top of Judd's list and the Eagles are going to make it very difficult for Judd to head to the Pies. LOL them saying both Thomas and Pendlebury will get them interested :lol.
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i get the feeling that we may just be in this right up to our eyeballs. By the way, i heard today that Judd understands that whilst money is important, he may not screw a club up by asking for 1.5 a year, i heard the figure at the end may be closer to 50% that amount.
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Mark Fine on SEN reckons Judd has told the Hawks he's not interested all 3 times he's been contacted because he's good mates with Stephen Greene who was axed by the Hawks.
Anyone else think it could be something else as well? :shh
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Connors met Miller yesterday.
I wonder how that went?
There's been no 'we are not interested in Richmond' in the press so that's a positive. 8)
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From SEN
Paul Connors said there could be a dark horse outside the 4 clubs mentioned and it's the Richmond Football Club due to our PSD pick.
As someone here said we're in it up to our eyeballs ;)
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From SEN
Paul Connors said there could be a dark horse outside the 4 clubs mentioned and it's the Richmond Football Club due to our PSD pick.
As someone here said we're in it up to our eyeballs ;)
Yup we're playing ducks and drake for sure. Throwing everything at him to give them a confort zone and not a be all and end all for a trade if nothing works out.
GO TIGES! :thumbsup
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From SEN
Paul Connors said there could be a dark horse outside the 4 clubs mentioned and it's the Richmond Football Club due to our PSD pick.
As someone here said we're in it up to our eyeballs ;)
IMO, Connors is saying to WCE-"take what Collingwood offers, or you'll get nothing"
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i get the feeling that we may just be in this right up to our eyeballs. By the way, i heard today that Judd understands that whilst money is important, he may not screw a club up by asking for 1.5 a year, i heard the figure at the end may be closer to 50% that amount.
You're right Ramps.
It's the salary cap that's the main issue rather than the raw $$$ (ignoring for the moment the draft pick cost). If a significant portion of it can be classed as "marketing" outside the cap which it clearly can be with Judd then we can afford Judd and still not put ourselves anywhere near under salary cap pressure. The Club is a $26-30 million business which is about to make over a $1 million profit. Something is wrong if we can't afford Judd in pure dollar terms if he's not asking for a fortune.
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From SEN
Paul Connors said there could be a dark horse outside the 4 clubs mentioned and it's the Richmond Football Club due to our PSD pick.
As someone here said we're in it up to our eyeballs ;)
IMO, Connors is saying to WCE-"take what Collingwood offers, or you'll get nothing"
That's good for us as the Pies always overrate their list and offer stuff all when it comes to these big trades and tick off the Club they are dealing with. That's why they always miss out. The Pies will offer something stupid like Rusling and pick 14, the Eagles will laugh, and then Judd heads to Punt Rd via the PSD :pray.
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From SEN
Paul Connors said there could be a dark horse outside the 4 clubs mentioned and it's the Richmond Football Club due to our PSD pick.
As someone here said we're in it up to our eyeballs ;)
I bloody hope so.
Opportunities of this nature come along very rarely.
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Courtesy of Bigfooty ;D
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=374759
He took me to a biker club in preston with a rollerdoor
Where you suck amphetamines and put acid in your cola:
Coca-cola
C-o-l-a cola
he walked up to me and he asked me to Sign
I asked him his name and in a dark brown voice he said Edie
Edie lola ed ed ed ed Edie
Well Im not the worlds most physical guy
But when he squeezed my balls tight he nearly broke my groin
Oh my Edie ed ed ed ed Edie
Well Im not dumb but I cant understand
Why he had more double chins than the michelin man
Oh my Edie ed ed ed ed Edie ed ed ed ed Edie
Well we drank Bundy rum and talked all night
Next to a harley Motorbike
He picked me up and sat me on his knee
And said dear boy wont you come to the pies with me
Well Im not the worlds most passionate guy
But when I looked at his price well I almost fell for my Edie
Edie ed ed ed ed Edie ed ed ed ed Edie
Edie ed ed ed ed Edie ed ed ed ed Edie
I pushed him away
I walked to the door
I fell to the floor
I got up to my knees
I said I want to go to the Dees
Then I looked at him and he looked at me
Well thats the way that I want it to stay
And I always want it to be that way for my Edie
ed ed ed ed Edie
Pies will be Pies and Dees will be girls
Its a mixed up muddled up shook up world except for Edie
ed ed ed ed Edie
Well I left Eagles just a week before
And Id never ever played for the pies before
But Edie smiled and took me by the hand
And said boy Im gonna make you a Millionaire man
Well Im not the worlds most masculine man
But I know what I am and Im glad Im mercenary man
And so is Edie
Edie ed ed ed ed Edie ed ed ed ed Edie
ed ed ed ed Edie ed ed ed ed Edie
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Hutchy says only the 4 known clubs will get a look in. Judd meets Melbourne tomorrow and then Essendon Saturday. He'll meet the Pies when their season is finished.
Judd spent 1.5 hours at Pratt's place (with VISY people present) and then 2 hours wandering around Princess Park with CEO Swann. Swann said no offer/contract has been put to Judd.
Judd will still have an abductor release op but apparently his injury isn't as bad as first thought so his time off may be less than the predicted 4 months.
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Courtesy of Bigfooty ;D
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=374759
He took me to a biker club in preston with a rollerdoor
Where you suck amphetamines and put acid in your cola:
Coca-cola
C-o-l-a cola
he walked up to me and he asked me to Sign
I asked him his name and in a dark brown voice he said Edie
Edie lola ed ed ed ed Edie
Well Im not the worlds most physical guy
But when he squeezed my balls tight he nearly broke my groin
Oh my Edie ed ed ed ed Edie
Well Im not dumb but I cant understand
Why he had more double chins than the michelin man
Oh my Edie ed ed ed ed Edie ed ed ed ed Edie
Well we drank Bundy rum and talked all night
Next to a harley Motorbike
He picked me up and sat me on his knee
And said dear boy wont you come to the pies with me
Well Im not the worlds most passionate guy
But when I looked at his price well I almost fell for my Edie
Edie ed ed ed ed Edie ed ed ed ed Edie
Edie ed ed ed ed Edie ed ed ed ed Edie
I pushed him away
I walked to the door
I fell to the floor
I got up to my knees
I said I want to go to the Dees
Then I looked at him and he looked at me
Well thats the way that I want it to stay
And I always want it to be that way for my Edie
ed ed ed ed Edie
Pies will be Pies and Dees will be girls
Its a mixed up muddled up shook up world except for Edie
ed ed ed ed Edie
Well I left Eagles just a week before
And Id never ever played for the pies before
But Edie smiled and took me by the hand
And said boy Im gonna make you a Millionaire man
Well Im not the worlds most masculine man
But I know what I am and Im glad Im mercenary man
And so is Edie
Edie ed ed ed ed Edie ed ed ed ed Edie
ed ed ed ed Edie ed ed ed ed Edie
:lol
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Judd spent 1.5 hours at Pratt's place (with VISY people present) and then 2 hours wandering around Princess Park with CEO Swann. Swann said no offer/contract has been put to Judd.
So Juddy what did you think of the old wooden bench seats, rusty 70s grandstands and the $11 million write-off? ;D
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Mike Sheahan today still has us in contention for Judd.
Richmond also might be in the mix, given the Tigers hold first choice of out-of-contract players in the pre-season draft.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22454717%255E20322,00.html
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It's funny listening to all these experts saying Judd will definitely be traded and he won't go into the PSD. Yet when they go through each of the 4 clubs Judd is talking to they can't get close to a satisfactory trade.
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I've been to Pratts place,quite overwhelming actually.
I dont c Judd succumbing to that angle....if anything i expect him to feel somewhat alienated by the whole thing.
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I've been to Pratts place,quite overwhelming actually.
I dont c Judd succumbing to that angle....if anything i expect him to feel somewhat alienated by the whole thing.
now i know both of the Pratts do a lot for charity, but hell if his missus answered the door it would scare the hell :outtahere out of me.
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i major sponsor at the blues that i know personally told me that judd and the blues agreed via a handshake that judd will be there next yr . apparantly,judd said he wants carlton but only if fev is there, he really likes the idea of feeding fev the pill.
anyway , the catch is, another source told me,wce are happy to trade judd to the blues, but woosha really is keen on fev and will only trade judd for fev plus a high draft pick plus a highly rated young kid from WA.
this all makes me laugh, as MT said in aother post, no one thinks tigers are a chance in the psd to get judd, as a trade will be organised, but it seems no parties can agree on terms lol
anyway i would rather we get mclean
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anyway i would rather we get mclean
like i said in other threads Mclean would be my target, but why would he leave?
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anyway i would rather we get mclean
like i said in other threads Mclean would be my target, but why would he leave?
he would leave for maybe 2 reasons
a/ he has family ties to us, and was a tiger fan
b/ on a melb forum it was said he is out of contract , so it may just be the right tome to make a move just like judd
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McLean won't leave. Dees fans won't have that.
There would be a truck load of Melbourne players go before they'd let Brock walk out of the place.
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I've been to Pratts place,quite overwhelming actually.
I dont c Judd succumbing to that angle....if anything i expect him to feel somewhat alienated by the whole thing.
now i know both of the Pratts do a lot for charity, but hell if his missus answered the door it would scare the hell :outtahere out of me.
Dear,Sweet Jeanne...i think its about getting a surgeon that refuses to work with the paint he has.
Im surprised he didn't get Alex.W. to pick Chris up in the Leah - lol
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Brock may stay at the Dees after reading what Eagle fans now think of Judd(as) ;D
http://www.eaglesflyinghigh.com/stuff=t&sd=a&start=60#p238250 (http://www.eaglesflyinghigh.com/stuff=t&sd=a&start=60#p238250)
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McLean won't leave. Dees fans won't have that.
There would be a truck load of Melbourne players go before they'd let Brock walk out of the place.
that is what i was thinking, demons would refuse to let him go
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McLean won't leave. Dees fans won't have that.
There would be a truck load of Melbourne players go before they'd let Brock walk out of the place.
has nothing to do with what the fans want, wce fans wanted judd to stay, bulldogs didnt wannt brown to leave etc etc
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McLean won't leave. Dees fans won't have that.
There would be a truck load of Melbourne players go before they'd let Brock walk out of the place.
has nothing to do with what the fans want, wce fans wanted judd to stay, bulldogs didnt wannt brown to leave etc etc
mclean hasn't even made any sounds that he wants to go
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McLean won't leave. Dees fans won't have that.
There would be a truck load of Melbourne players go before they'd let Brock walk out of the place.
has nothing to do with what the fans want, wce fans wanted judd to stay, bulldogs didnt wannt brown to leave etc etc
Same with Ottens and us. If a player wants to leave then they leave. Why would you want to keep a player who doesn't want to be at your club anymore.
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McLean won't leave. Dees fans won't have that.
There would be a truck load of Melbourne players go before they'd let Brock walk out of the place.
has nothing to do with what the fans want, wce fans wanted judd to stay, bulldogs didnt wannt brown to leave etc etc
Brock is one of if not the most promising youngster at Melbourne.
It would be like us letting Deledio go.
Wasted energy even contemplating it. Won't happen IMO.
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The result tonight could be good for us. The Pies now may think that their current list is good enough and they don't need to break it up to squeeze in Judd. They may also think that they are just a good ruckman away from a flag and should trade for one rather than a midfielder.
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If Fraser had played they may have won, i also think they will go all out for a ruckman now.
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i just want them all to stuff it up with their greed and stupidity...which they will,
with a little diversion from our camp. :shh
What a joke.
woosher will use us as his biggest threat against Carlton or any so called "box seater" and ultimately.....
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From the Age:
The Eagles say they haven't given up trying to retain Judd. Let him live in Melbourne, but fly to Perth for home games.
From the Australian
And despite Judd meeting Carlton and Melbourne in the past two days, Judd's manager Paul Connors is adamant that salary has not been discussed and is unlikely to be a decisive factor.
"Chris and I haven't had one discussion about it -- let alone with a club," he said.
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The result tonight could be good for us. The Pies now may think that their current list is good enough and they don't need to break it up to squeeze in Judd. They may also think that they are just a good ruckman away from a flag and should trade for one rather than a midfielder.
lol, true, let the pies be fooled. reality was the cats did their best to choke, and rottons was bog :lol ahole! johnson, bartel and gablett were also very good but guys like chappy ling corey blake etc were all nervous wrecks and choked
if geelong take that form and mentality to the granny, they will get pumped
this is why i think we have a gr8 future and tanked teh yr, we gave this pie team a flogging, yet last yrs grandfinalists lost to them, and this minor premiers nearly went down
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From the Age:
The Eagles say they haven't given up trying to retain Judd. Let him live in Melbourne, but fly to Perth for home games.
signs of total desparation :rollin :lol :rollin :lol
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From the Age:
The Eagles say they haven't given up trying to retain Judd. Let him live in Melbourne, but fly to Perth for home games.
::)
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McLean won't leave. Dees fans won't have that.
There would be a truck load of Melbourne players go before they'd let Brock walk out of the place.
has nothing to do with what the fans want, wce fans wanted judd to stay, bulldogs didnt wannt brown to leave etc etc
Same with Ottens and us. If a player wants to leave then they leave. Why would you want to keep a player who doesn't want to be at your club anymore.
The blues kept Thornton and the other kid that wanted to go to Port after they wanted out.
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Judd deal with Pies unlikely, says Nisbett
Martin Boulton | September 23, 2007
CHRIS Judd's meeting with Collingwood this week could prove futile, according to Eagles chief executive Trevor Nisbett, who said a trade with the Magpies might not be possible.
Nisbett also flagged an AFL trade deadlock if a deal cannot be struck, while player manager Ricky Nixon has warned of legal action if the Judd deal holds up the trades of players he represents.
"If he said just Collingwood, well, it would be difficult because I don't know what they have got to offer," Nisbett said.
AFL boss Andrew Demetriou yesterday warned clubs chasing Judd not to cheat on the salary cap with side agreements.
"All clubs know they're on notice, that if they try to construct something which is over and above what … the AFL will accept, then the AFL will come down hard on them," he said on SEN.
"Carlton knows too well, and they know that from history, that those things won't be tolerated," Demetriou said. "I don't expect that's what Carlton would be doing, they're very sensible now."
http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/judd-deal-with-pies-unlikely/2007/09/22/1189881836399.html
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Voss' view on the Judd scenarioes
I am looking for the ace Judd has up his sleeve to ensure he gets to his club of choice. Richmond, with first pick in the pre-season draft, is the only club he could be guaranteed to go to. And the Tigers are yet to signal they will meet his needs.
So, unless something amazing pops up, you'd think Carlton has the cards to win the deal. Surely, West Coast doesn't have to miss out on the No. 1 pick in the national draft just to ensure Judd gets a nice home. And pick No. 1 is what he is worth every day of the week. And twice next week. Give me Judd ahead of any young man in the draft. He's a superstar who still has many years left in his body, a proven big-stage performer who can turn a game in a flash.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/judds-journey-east-creates-plenty-of-intrigue/2007/09/22/1189881836112.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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Voss' view on the Judd scenarioes
I am looking for the ace Judd has up his sleeve to ensure he gets to his club of choice. Richmond, with first pick in the pre-season draft, is the only club he could be guaranteed to go to. And the Tigers are yet to signal they will meet his needs.
So, unless something amazing pops up, you'd think Carlton has the cards to win the deal. Surely, West Coast doesn't have to miss out on the No. 1 pick in the national draft just to ensure Judd gets a nice home. And pick No. 1 is what he is worth every day of the week. And twice next week. Give me Judd ahead of any young man in the draft. He's a superstar who still has many years left in his body, a proven big-stage performer who can turn a game in a flash.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/judds-journey-east-creates-plenty-of-intrigue/2007/09/22/1189881836112.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
i reckon we could be keeping our cards close to our chest while the others are throwing themselves at judd, geez i really hope we dont hand over the 2 pick.
gotta keep our collective heads here.
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McLean won't leave. Dees fans won't have that.
There would be a truck load of Melbourne players go before they'd let Brock walk out of the place.
has nothing to do with what the fans want, wce fans wanted judd to stay, bulldogs didnt wannt brown to leave etc etc
Same with Ottens and us. If a player wants to leave then they leave. Why would you want to keep a player who doesn't want to be at your club anymore.
The blues kept Thornton and the other kid that wanted to go to Port after they wanted out.
Carlton were dumb. They could have got a couple of top 30 picks in last year's strong draft for Thorton. Like us with Holland, we should have let him go at the end of 2001.
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Voss' view on the Judd scenarioes
I am looking for the ace Judd has up his sleeve to ensure he gets to his club of choice. Richmond, with first pick in the pre-season draft, is the only club he could be guaranteed to go to. And the Tigers are yet to signal they will meet his needs.
I hope the Eagles are as bitter as their fans. If they want to send Judd to "rot at Richmond", I can live with that :yep.
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With the Pies chasing Judd, you've got wonder if Clement retired or was pushed to to open up salary cap space.
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I haven't given up hope we'll get him yet. :pray
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Demons draft bid in Judd battle
Greg Denham | September 24, 2007 | The Australian
MELBOURNE is preparing to trade away players for high draft selections to satisfy West Coast should Chris Judd agree to move to the Demons.
"We would look at any player for any pick," Gardner said.
The agency's new market is $1.70 Carlton, which opened at $1.30; $3.50 Collingwood and Melbourne; $7 Essendon; and $21 Richmond.
Two clubs chasing Judd yesterday expressed their fears that if the decision becomes drawn out for another week, it would favour Collingwood.
"The longer it goes, the harder it gets and most of us think it's already a done deal that he will pick Collingwood anyway," one club administrator said.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22468258-5012432,00.html
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Pie fans believe we would give up picks 2 & 19 for Reid and Brown.
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Pie fans believe we would give up picks 2 & 19 for Reid and Brown.
:lol
Done less than Jack in his first year.
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Rumour File said this morning that Josh Fraser didn't play Friday because he became aware he was being offered as trade bait for Chris Judd and not happy. And it is alleged he or his management rang Carlton Thursday night and said he would enter the draft to be picked up by Carlton.
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Pie fans believe we would give up picks 2 & 19 for Reid and Brown.
I don't think we'd give that much.Both for pick 2, or it's "no deal".
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Rumour File said this morning that Josh Fraser didn't play Friday because he became aware he was being offered as trade bait for Chris Judd and not happy. And it is alleged he or his management rang Carlton Thursday night and said he would enter the draft to be picked up by Carlton.
The Herald-Sun has copied BF:
There has been speculation that Fraser and possibly Alan Didak could be traded to Richmond, which would pass on its No. 2 pick, along with Richard Tambling, to West Coast.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22468923%255E20322,00.html
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With allegedly no back complaint, the presence of Fraser could have tipped the Pies over the line on the weekend into a GF.
Amazing story if true :o
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The Herald-Sun has copied BF:
There has been speculation that Fraser and possibly Alan Didak could be traded to Richmond, which would pass on its No. 2 pick, along with Richard Tambling, to West Coast.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22468923%255E20322,00.html
No Friggin way!!! Didak is a lazy footballer who does one miraculous kick per game and everyone thinks he's a legend. He should be traded to the Melbourne victory where his bicycle kick may actually be of some benefit. Throw Pendlebury and Goldsack in and then we can talk! :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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If we traded pick 2 and Blingers for Fraser and Didak, Punt Rd should be closed down.
The Pies are in the worst trading position of all the clubs chasing Judd. Even if they were to trade for a top 10 draft pick (say pick 9 to the Saints for whoever) the Weagles would still prefer picks 3 and 20 off the Blues than picks 9 and 14 off the Pies. Pick 14 is only just before our second pick at 18.
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If we traded pick 2 and Blingers for Fraser and Didak, Punt Rd should be closed down.
The Pies are in the worst trading position of all the clubs chasing Judd. Even if they were to trade for a top 10 draft pick (say pick 9 to the Saints for whoever) the Weagles would still prefer picks 3 and 20 off the Blues than picks 9 and 14 off the Pies. Pick 14 is only just before our second pick at 18.
Maybe someone should email Greg Miller and co. and let him know that if we do get Fraser and Didak, he'll be shot, and probably by several supporters.
The Pies will have to give up something big for Judd, especially if he nominates them. It'll be too tempting for them. If they go in with the mindset of 'you have to accept Holland and Davis other because Judd is leaving anyway', West Coast will let him slide for nothing.
My theory is they'll think they are a Judd and ruckman short of a flag, and will lean towards trading one of their gun youngsters playing seniors at the moment and an unproven high draft choice.
The Pies must be spewing they didn't hold onto Tarrant for another season.
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SEN just said we're the smokey but when they contacted Richmond yesterday we told them there's been little talk about Judd at Punt Rd. Obviously keeping our cards close to our chest.
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If we traded pick 2 and Blingers for Fraser and Didak, Punt Rd should be closed down.
The Pies are in the worst trading position of all the clubs chasing Judd. Even if they were to trade for a top 10 draft pick (say pick 9 to the Saints for whoever) the Weagles would still prefer picks 3 and 20 off the Blues than picks 9 and 14 off the Pies. Pick 14 is only just before our second pick at 18.
Maybe someone should email Greg Miller and co. and let him know that if we do get Fraser and Didak, he'll be shot, and probably by several supporters.
I would say he knows lol.
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promise the world Greg,
give them nothing.
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promise the world Greg,
give them nothing.
... and judd will come to Richmond :shh
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Judd has 7 votes already. The problems he had with his groin injury will make him drop away in the count but imagine what it would do to trade week if Judd won a second brownlow tonight.
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make that 10 :o
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Judd to Melbourne
McLean to Richmond
2 + 4 to WCE
the latest rumour.
could be some other minor details in it ...
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Judd to Melbourne
McLean to Richmond
2 + 4 to WCE
the latest rumour.
could be some other minor details in it ...
mmm getting warmer i reckon.... :bow
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Judd to Melbourne
McLean to Richmond
2 + 4 to WCE
the latest rumour.
could be some other minor details in it ...
mmm getting warmer i reckon.... :bow
im not nostradamus you know ;D
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Judd got votes in 8 rounds straight - a Brownlow record :o.
Judd to Melbourne
McLean to Richmond
2 + 4 to WCE
the latest rumour.
could be some other minor details in it ...
mmm getting warmer i reckon.... :bow
im not nostradamus you know ;D
Who do we then pick up in the PSD?
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Judd got votes in 8 rounds straight - a Brownlow record :o.
Judd to Melbourne
McLean to Richmond
2 + 4 to WCE
the latest rumour.
could be some other minor details in it ...
mmm getting warmer i reckon.... :bow
So we get McLean for pick 2.
And Melbourne get Judd for pick 4.
Pull the other one. ::)
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Judd got votes in 8 rounds straight - a Brownlow record :o.
Judd to Melbourne
McLean to Richmond
2 + 4 to WCE
the latest rumour.
could be some other minor details in it ...
mmm getting warmer i reckon.... :bow
So we get McLean for pick 2.
And Melbourne get Judd for pick 4.
Pull the other one. ::)
The Dees give up McLean as well as pick 4 for Judd.
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Judd got votes in 8 rounds straight - a Brownlow record :o.
Judd to Melbourne
McLean to Richmond
2 + 4 to WCE
the latest rumour.
could be some other minor details in it ...
mmm getting warmer i reckon.... :bow
So we get McLean for pick 2.
And Melbourne get Judd for pick 4.
Pull the other one. ::)
The Dees give up McLean as well as pick 4 for Judd.
I'll shut up now. ;D Duh @ me :-[
Although I still dont think I want Mclean for Pick 2.
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Judd got votes in 8 rounds straight - a Brownlow record :o.
Judd to Melbourne
McLean to Richmond
2 + 4 to WCE
the latest rumour.
could be some other minor details in it ...
mmm getting warmer i reckon.... :bow
So we get McLean for pick 2.
And Melbourne get Judd for pick 4.
Pull the other one. ::)
The Dees give up McLean as well as pick 4 for Judd.
I'll shut up now. ;D Duh @ me :-[
Although I still dont think I want Mclean for Pick 2.
Unless we leave it to the last second before the deadline so the McLean trade goes through but the Dees run out of time and miss out on Judd and we get Judd as well in the PSD ;D.
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melbourne supporters almost in tears on bigfooty lol ... this is hilarious.
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from the Herald-Sun and Australian
Judd said, "I have met all the clubs that I wanted to."
Carlton – believes Collingwood is the front-runner. Judd met the Pies yesterday.
Eddie said rumours of the Magpies looking to trade ruckman Josh Fraser as part of a move for Judd were nonsense. "I wouldn't have thought that Josh Fraser, given the fact we need ruckmen, would be one bloke we would be wanting to get rid of.
"This might all change in two weeks' time when we sit down or if Chris Judd rings up tomorrow and says, `I want to be a Magpie', and then we need to decide what the mix is." Clement has forgone $400k in 2008 by retiring, freeing up salary cap space for the Pies.
But the Australian says the Pies will need to offload a player if they want Judd and Fraser may be the one. The Pies want the Doggies pick 5 but the Dogs have said that's off the table. The Dogs are after Crow ruckman Hudson anyway.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22476057%255E19742,00.html
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22475548-5012432,00.html
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heres a deal id say we cant refuse.
how about Schulz, hartigan and chris hyde for eagles 333rd pick cause thats what those 3 r worth
if we get mclean thats a steal because we r no certainties to get anyone descent in the draft especially with our pathetic record in recruiting.
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heres a deal id say we cant refuse.
how about Schulz, hartigan and chris hyde for eagles 333rd pick cause thats what those 3 r worth
if we get mclean thats a steal because we r no certainties to get anyone descent in the draft especially with our pathetic record in recruiting.
so who are you when u r noty in disguise and out of your nappy?
ah thats right its school holidays!
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heres a deal id say we cant refuse.
how about Schulz, hartigan and chris hyde for eagles 333rd pick cause thats what those 3 r worth
if we get mclean thats a steal because we r no certainties to get anyone descent in the draft especially with our pathetic record in recruiting.
so who are you when u r noty in disguise and out of your nappy?
ah thats right its school holidays!
i take offence to that X >:(, i'm on school holidays as well ;D :lol :rollin
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heres a deal id say we cant refuse.
how about Schulz, hartigan and chris hyde for eagles 333rd pick cause thats what those 3 r worth
if we get mclean thats a steal because we r no certainties to get anyone descent in the draft especially with our pathetic record in recruiting.
so who are you when u r noty in disguise and out of your nappy?
ah thats right its school holidays!
i take offence to that X >:(, i'm on school holidays as well ;D :lol :rollin
primary school? lol, just kidding
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Make of this what you will.....
Blues set to put offer on the table for Judd
Posted Sep 25, 2007 - 7:07 AM
footygoss.com.au
Carlton is expected to offer West Coast picks three and 20 in the draft in exchange for departed Eagles skipper and 2004 Brownlow medallist Chris Judd.
A source close to Footygoss believes West Coast officials will meet with the Blues in the next day or two to weigh up the deal.
Judd met with Carlton last Thursday and along with Collingwood, the Blues were considered front-runners for the 24-year-old’s signature after meetings with four Melbourne clubs.
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From the Eagles forum
Today on 6PR - Brad Hardie who was at the Brownlow - said that Melbourne is not happy as they have been told Judd won't be going there.
Hardie said that word is that he has told his manager that he wants to go to Collingwood. Hardie also got the feeling (as Judd had had a few) that this is the case. Carlton hasn't given up hope but is not happy either.
Another suggestion from a Eagles fan
just trade one of our [Eagles] development players who don't look too crash hot to Richmond for pick 2, 19 and a decent player and let Juddy walk to the PSD.
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From the Eagles forum
Today on 6PR - Brad Hardie who was at the Brownlow - said that Melbourne is not happy as they have been told Judd won't be going there.
Hardie said that word is that he has told his manager that he wants to go to Collingwood. Hardie also got the feeling (as Judd had had a few) that this is the case. Carlton hasn't given up hope but is not happy either.
Another suggestion from a Eagles fan
just trade one of our [Eagles] development players who don't look too crash hot to Richmond for pick 2, 19 and a decent player and let Juddy walk to the PSD.
if it is true that wce wont deal with the pies, maybe the psd is where judd will sit :pray
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if we dispose of our pick 2 for players like josh fraser and alan didak then i will cancel my membership.
That would be a disgrace, i heard a tiger player saying how burnt we were about not getting buddy franklin and no way in hell they would risk it happen all over again if we drop pick 2 and pick up a injury prone dud like fraser.
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From the Eagles forum
Today on 6PR - Brad Hardie who was at the Brownlow - said that Melbourne is not happy as they have been told Judd won't be going there.
Hardie said that word is that he has told his manager that he wants to go to Collingwood. Hardie also got the feeling (as Judd had had a few) that this is the case. Carlton hasn't given up hope but is not happy either.
Another suggestion from a Eagles fan
just trade one of our [Eagles] development players who don't look too crash hot to Richmond for pick 2, 19 and a decent player and let Juddy walk to the PSD.
if it is true that wce wont deal with the pies, maybe the psd is where judd will sit :pray
Hardie is hardly a reliable source. He also made up the Fraser for pick 2 rumour ::).
Pie fans keep forgetting that we don't need to trade. We still gain by holding onto pick 2 and just pick up someone for free in the PSD. It's them that lose if they miss out on Judd not us. We want deals involving out of contract players to ultimately fail in trade week.
LOL thinking we'd give up pick 2 for Rusling and Ben Johnson :rollin.
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The other clubs are starting to show their desperation.
Pratt says Judd will be made captain. Pratt also said he'll look after Judd post-footy. Apparently they're greenies at Carlton :lol.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22483113%255E20322,00.html
Pitfalls litter Judd's path to Magpies
26 September 2007 Herald Sun
Mike Sheahan
NO matter how far in front Collingwood might seem to be in the pursuit of Chris Judd, it faces a huge hurdle to gain the necessary agreement from West Coast.
Those close to the intrigue say Judd and his manager Paul Connors hold a clear preference for the Magpies, but that's just half the story.
There's the equally valid issue of how Collingwood can satisfy West Coast's requirements; in blunt terms, what it can provide for the most valuable player in the game.
It will be draft selections, or a mix of draft choices and a player or players. It will need to be an offer the Eagles can't refuse, for they would much rather Judd go to Carlton or Melbourne, or even Essendon.
There's an extra edge to the normal level of competition between these two clubs. West Coast is understood to believe "Judd to Collingwood" is a mission that has been building for weeks, maybe even months. While the Eagles suspected he might want to come home to Melbourne when his contract expired this year, they don't like the thought of being the victim of a major plot.
They have the No.14 selection and, for what it's worth, eight players recruited from Western Australia. What they will need is a package based on two top 10 draft picks. The Maggies won't get there with 14 and any combination from Leon Davis, Shannon Cox, Brad idiot, Tarkyn Locker, Paul Medhurst, Harry O'Brien, Alan Toovey and Sharrod Wellingham (a rookie).
The only left-field possibility that exists at Collingwood seems to be Nathan Brown, taken at No.10 in the 2006 national draft. Brown, 18, stands 194cm . . . and also happens to be the twin brother of West Coast's first pick in the same draft, Mitchell Brown, who is rated highly by the Eagles.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22483280%255E19742,00.html
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This is keeping us in it. If the Eagles believe the Pies have been plotting behind their back to get Judd for months and Judd comes out and says he wants to go only to the Pies, this could all get very nasty during the trade week b/w the Eagles, Pies and Judd.
Pratt saying he'll make Judd captain makes me think Judd has told the Blues they aren't the club for him.
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I don't reckon Judd would want captaincy, he just wants to play footy.
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The media are stalking Judd now. Ch 7 news said Judd and Rebecca have bought a house in Prahran.
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Ch 7 news said Judd and Rebecca have bought a house in Prahran.
Just a short trip up Punt Rd to Richmond.
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nice little cafe meeting today, im sure the other clubs must be wondering what the hell GM is up to, the others have been crawling over broken glass and we just sat down with him in a cafe.
im sure he is covering all bases in case it goes all pear shaped.
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nice little cafe meeting today, im sure the other clubs must be wondering what the hell GM is up to, the others have been crawling over broken glass and we just sat down with him in a cafe.
im sure he is covering all bases in case it goes all pear shaped.
leave it for afew days, if theres still no deal, get deledio, tambling, edwards, conners to go around and see him ...
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Cafe meeting?????
I thought Judd had met all the teams he is interested in.
Juddy in a Tigers jumper. :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray
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nice little cafe meeting today, im sure the other clubs must be wondering what the hell GM is up to, the others have been crawling over broken glass and we just sat down with him in a cafe.
im sure he is covering all bases in case it goes all pear shaped.
We'd be also asking about Judd's injury and the op he's having. The meeting would have been mutually beneficial.
I wonder if Hutchy was spying on Miller and Judd from a dumpmaster and will mention it on the Footy show tomorrow night.
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nice little cafe meeting today, im sure the other clubs must be wondering what the hell GM is up to, the others have been crawling over broken glass and we just sat down with him in a cafe.
im sure he is covering all bases in case it goes all pear shaped.
We'd be also asking about Judd's injury and the op he's having. The meeting would have been mutually beneficial.
I wonder if Hutchy was spying on Miller and Judd from a dumpmaster and will mention it on the Footy show tomorrow night.
hutchy would have been drinking at the rising sun in richmond, and then he would have staggered out and driven the wrong way down a one way street, a cretin to say the least.
we probably letting judd know we wouldnt be taking him in the psd. :gobdrop
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While Judd has met four clubs -- Carlton, Melbourne, Collingwood and Essendon -- [Eagles CEO] Nisbett said he was still not discounting Richmond as a wild-card.
"No doubt Richmond can still be a very big player," he said. "Having first pick in the pre-season draft could be a distinct advantage down the track."
The Blues want to make Peter Sumich assistant coach to attract Judd to Carlton.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22487795-5012432,00.html
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Cafe meeting?????
I thought Judd had met all the teams he is interested in.
Juddy in a Tigers jumper. :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray
After watching this, i'd be happy to see pick 2 at the Eagles and Chris in a Tigers jumper.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7RHlN8jO-a8
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we probably letting judd know we wouldnt be taking him in the psd. :gobdrop
Why would you meet him just to tell him that... :shh
..... so we're trading for him and getting McLean in the PSD :pray
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Collingwood will be the preffered choice of one chris judd, the longer it takes to officially announce this, the better for richmond.
Behind the scenes, the clubs are clammering to appease the west coast eagles.
The tigers position on this matter is crucial, and just as crucial, it is a position that is flexible.
The names Reid/Brown/Rusling have been intimated as being available.
The tigers public position on this has been significant, their isnt one.
We will work with or against whoever gets us the best deal. If the deal isnt good enough, we will work to get judd ourselves
If pick 2 is traded, expect a downgrade on our 1st round pick, (West coasts or Collingwoods) , also expect at least 1 10 year 18/19 year key position footballer, that is regarded a blue chip talent
Pick 2 = Chris Judd, and everyone knows it.
Stay tuned :shh
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Please not Rusling. :pray
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I don't want other clubs offcuts to help the Pies or whoever get Judd. Why help a trade go through when we have the 1st PSD pick. Stuff 'em. If we can't get Judd ourselves then just stick with our picks and choose the best kids like Cotchin.
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If Pick 2 = Judd, then lets get Judd.
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Cafe meeting?????
I thought Judd had met all the teams he is interested in.
Juddy in a Tigers jumper. :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray
After watching this, i'd be happy to see pick 2 at the Eagles and Chris in a Tigers jumper.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7RHlN8jO-a8
Just shows how much JUdd's groin injury affected him. He relies so much on his acceleration and explosive pace (as well as his footy nouse) to burst away. No reason either why Lids could kick those type of goals either if he works hard over preseason to improve his fitness.
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If Pick 2 = Judd, then lets get Judd.
Exactly. We're not a charity for other clubs ::).
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we probably letting judd know we wouldnt be taking him in the psd. :gobdrop
???
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Cafe meeting?????
I thought Judd had met all the teams he is interested in.
Juddy in a Tigers jumper. :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray
After watching this, i'd be happy to see pick 2 at the Eagles and Chris in a Tigers jumper.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7RHlN8jO-a8
Just shows how much JUdd's groin injury affected him. He relies so much on his acceleration and explosive pace (as well as his footy nouse) to burst away. No reason either why Lids could kick those type of goals either if he works hard over preseason to improve his fitness.
If you watch closely he gets shepparded very well, but he also has the quick footy smarts to sense which way through the pack is the 'right way'. It's like he has the spiderman senses and sees everything in slow motion.
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it depends on the players offered ... if you pick up 2 outstanding youngsters then its worth it.
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If Pick 2 = Judd, then lets get Judd.
Amen. Screw Collingwood.
Gett Judd!!
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yeah lets get judd. we'll get good friday footy....now get judd and we'll have a marketing dream on our hands.
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Which club is this so called "Blue Chip" player coming from?
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If Pick 2 = Judd, then lets get Judd.
Exactly. We're not a charity for other clubs ::).
spot on mate..trade that pick 2 for judd and judd only or stuff the rest of em.
i would love nothing more to see the pies miss out again, ala nick stevens
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That's why Collingwood make out guys like Rusling and Reid are the next big thing not because they think they are their future but to fool others in thinking they are good.
Do not be fooled. Let Collingwood suffer again :lol
Pick 2 for Juddy to Richmond not Juddy to Collingwood or wherever else.
Its time we benefit from these sorts of deals not be a middle man to another long term beneficiary. Its time to get the Graeme Richmond type philosophy and dealings at Richmond once again. Offer Collingwood six shirts and a suit for any deal that they may wish to propose to us. :thumbsup
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That's why Collingwood make out guys like Rusling and Reid are the next big thing not because they think they are their future but to fool others in thinking they are good.
Do not be fooled. Let Collingwood suffer again :lol
Pick 2 for Juddy to Richmond not Juddy to Collingwood or wherever else.
Its time we benefit from these sorts of deals not be a middle man to another long term beneficiary. Its time to get the Graeme Richmond type philosophy and dealings at Richmond once again. Offer Collingwood six shirts and a suit for any deal that they may wish to propose to us. :thumbsup
couldnt agree more. stuff colllingwood and carlton well at the end of the day unless gm stuffs it all up id still say juddy will be at carlton
next year.
i would love nothing more that we get judd in the PSD. that to me is absolute gold
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Cafe meeting?????
I thought Judd had met all the teams he is interested in.
Juddy in a Tigers jumper. :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray
After watching this, i'd be happy to see pick 2 at the Eagles and Chris in a Tigers jumper.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7RHlN8jO-a8
Awesome.
I hope he becomes a Tiger. I'll be so happy. :D
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If you watch closely he gets shepparded very well, but he also has the quick footy smarts to sense which way through the pack is the 'right way'. It's like he has the spiderman senses and sees everything in slow motion.
Shepharding and blocking for a teammate isn't something we do enough of :P
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If you watch closely he gets shepparded very well, but he also has the quick footy smarts to sense which way through the pack is the 'right way'. It's like he has the spiderman senses and sees everything in slow motion.
Shepharding and blocking for a teammate isn't something we do enough of :P
possibly one of the smartest comments ive heard anyone make.
ur damm right we dont enough of it..throw in tackling in that as well
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Judd has had his adductor-release operation and is expected to be back running in 6-8 weeks.
The Pies are claiming they don't know which club Judd will choose.
Judd is expected to make his decision on which club he wants to go to over this Grand Final weekend but the announcement will be delayed until later next week.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22494287-5012432,00.html
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sen said moments ago that they have heard from reliable ppl that judd will choose melb as his preferred club and a deal will be made b/w wce and the dees.
i get the feeling miller and the tigers will screw up all trade deals this yr and once again when we have a chance to nail someone big we wont.
im betting miller is just sitting back hoping some big name ends up in the psd, and knowing our luck no one will be in the psd worthy to pick up as all the big guns we re-sign ar be traded and we will miss out
lets hope if that is the case , whoever we pick up with pick 2 will be the "next judd"
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if we dont get the big name in a trade period or the psd then Miller should step down. It would be completely unacceptable if we dont get a big name player this year.
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if we dont get the big name in a trade period or the psd then Miller should step down. It would be completely unacceptable if we dont get a big name player this year.
That assumes there is one out of contract, wants to leave their present club and who is happy to come to us.
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sen said moments ago that they have heard from reliable ppl that judd will choose melb as his preferred club and a deal will be made b/w wce and the dees.
This fits in with a post on Y&B. The key now as with all the clubs after Judd is the Dees now have to satisfy the Eagles. Pick 4 and what? They don't have many WAs on their list so will they try to trade Robertson to the Dogs for pick 5 and then ontrade both picks to West Coast.
At cricket training my mate got a text from "inside" Melbourne apparently Sandy coach, saying Judd is over the line at Melbourne and the bookies are no longer taking bets on the subject. He said it is a legit source, and they just need to come to terms with the Eagles. Similar to Acker being over the line with Bulldogs before trade week last year.
http://www.yellowandblack.com.au/forum/showpost.php?p=114770&postcount=715
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if we dont get the big name in a trade period or the psd then Miller should step down. It would be completely unacceptable if we dont get a big name player this year.
That assumes there is one out of contract, wants to leave their present club and who is happy to come to us.
If we can't get a decent out of contract player in the PSD then the AFL might as well scrap it. We'd be better off making Joel a vet inside the senior list and having 5 rookies next year.
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Sounds like the mail is Melbourne is the club he chooses.
I know the McLean rumour is just that, a rumour, but do you think it'll affect any decision Brock makes. He might want to stay with the Demons now and play side by side with Judd.
PSD #1 - will there be anyone left!
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Melbourne fans are already having a party on Demonology. They reckon it's a done deal and he'll sign with them next week. If I was a Dees fan (heaven forbid) I'd wait until 2pm Friday of trade week. We remember how Lockett said he wanted to come to Richmond :-\.
BF saying Melbourne has taken pick 4 off the table. If that was true then they'd have no chance of getting Judd. Eagles fans saying they've heard Judd for picks 4, 21 and Travis Johnstone or Judd for picks 4 and 6 (which Melb would get from Bombers for McLean).
I just hope we stay out of it.
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Judd to call press conference this Wednesday according to BF.
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Ch 9 news also saying Melbourne is favourite for Judd because he barracked for them as a kid and he wants to play on the 'G followed by Collingwood in a race out of two.
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demons are his choice, but they will have to satisfy the eagles demands.
this deal wont be over the line till such time.
they will have to give up something to get something.
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Collingwood will be the preffered choice of one chris judd, the longer it takes to officially announce this, the better for richmond.
Behind the scenes, the clubs are clammering to appease the west coast eagles.
The tigers position on this matter is crucial, and just as crucial, it is a position that is flexible.
The names Reid/Brown/Rusling have been intimated as being available.
The tigers public position on this has been significant, their isnt one.
We will work with or against whoever gets us the best deal. If the deal isnt good enough, we will work to get judd ourselves
If pick 2 is traded, expect a downgrade on our 1st round pick, (West coasts or Collingwoods) , also expect at least 1 10 year 18/19 year key position footballer, that is regarded a blue chip talent
Pick 2 = Chris Judd, and everyone knows it.
Stay tuned :shh
Great work Blaisee this is exactly what is required :thumbsup
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it depends on the players offered ... if you pick up 2 outstanding youngsters then its worth it.
Yes, yes ,yes ramps, this is the point people have to get. but we need to make sure that it is great talent because what MT also said is true, we are not a charity.
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BF saying Melbourne has taken pick 4 off the table. If that was true then they'd have no chance of getting Judd. Eagles fans saying they've heard Judd for picks 4, 21 and Travis Johnstone or Judd for picks 4 and 6 (which Melb would get from Bombers for McLean).
I just hope we stay out of it.
We cant stay out of it, we have to be in there mixing it up ... keeping it confused for all the others whilst we keep focused on a strategy. For example, it seems the Demons are pinning hopes of sending robertson to the dogs...for 5 id rather we offer Schulz and 19 to the dogs for 5 ... now that would cause some confusion for those at Footscray and Melbourne.
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What I meant Ramps that we don't actually help with the trade trading away pick 2. By all means we should try to turn trade week into a pig's breakfast ;).
The picks 4, 21 and Johnstone trade is growing legs. If Johnstone isn't involved then James Frawley to the Saints and picks 4, 9 and 21 to the Eagles in exchange for Judd to the Dees.
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Why would st kilda give away 9 for frawley?
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Why would st kilda give away 9 for frawley?
It could be garbage but the Saints do need tall defenders plus there's the surname.
The picks 4, 21 and Johnstone for Judd trade is the one growing legs but if another club puts to the Eagles a better offer then things could all change.
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The press today have stayed clear of yesterday's rumour. Melbourne saying they know nothing while Carlton are still confident they will snare Judd.
MELBOURNE chief executive Steve Harris said last night the club was no closer to knowing which club Chris Judd was leaning towards playing with next season.
"There's nothing to report, despite all the rumours," Harris said. "We're hoping (to find out) next week because it's trade week the week after."
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/dees-wait-to-see-where-judd-jumps/2007/09/28/1190486571661.html
Carlton chief executive Greg Swann said the club remained confident of snaring Chris Judd.
Swann refused to discuss who the Blues will give up to snare Judd. But West Australian Josh Kennedy is firming as the likely candidate for any trade deal, along with pick No. 3 in the national draft.
It's almost certain the Blues will not consider any request from the Eagles for controversial forward Brendan Fevola.
Swann said the club would not be devastated if Judd chose Collingwood, with Melbourne and Essendon now considered outside chances to land the midfielder.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22501096%255E19742,00.html
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Decision looms for Judd
30 September 2007 Sunday Herald Sun
Jon Ralph
WEST Coast superstar Chris Judd says he has yet to make a decision on his football future after mid-week surgery he believes was overwhelmingly positive.
While Judd denied a rumour he had chosen Melbourne, he said he would make his selection from the Demons, Carlton, Collingwood and Essendon in coming days.
Judd said he had been told by surgeon Neil Halpin, after the adductor release surgery on his groin, his speed would remain explosive.
"The surgeon assured me it is not going to hurt my speed," he said. "It is probably about eight weeks until I am ready to go again. It's a pretty good result and it shouldn't hold me back too much next year."
But clubs expect he will identify a potential home by Wednesday at the latest.
"I have had a few things going on - I have been up in Sydney and had my groin chopped up and I am trying to tie up a few loose ends. In the next week or so, I will come to some kind of decision."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22505309%255E19742,00.html
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translated means,
i have a lot of sh it going on right now and if i cant decide on a club next week,then I will enter the PSD....Now leave me TF alone!!!
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Ch 7 reckons there'll be a 3-way trade b/w Melb, WC and Sydney
Picks 4, 11, 21 to West Coast
Travis Johnstone + another Demon to Sydney
Judd + a Swan (possibly Jolly) to Melbourne
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Ch 7 reckons there'll be a 3-way trade b/w Melb, WC and Sydney
Picks 4, 11, 21 to West Coast
Travis Johnstone + another Demon to Sydney
Judd + a Swan (possibly Jolly) to Melbourne
Why are West Coast seemingly so desperate for pick 2? Everywhere im reading they are dying for pick 2 lol. And the reason im asking is if they get 4 11 and 21 they have 13 they would have 4 picks inside the top 21 thats not bad at all. Why do they want pick 2.
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Ch 7 reckons there'll be a 3-way trade b/w Melb, WC and Sydney
Picks 4, 11, 21 to West Coast
Travis Johnstone + another Demon to Sydney
Judd + a Swan (possibly Jolly) to Melbourne
The Swans get screwed if that was the trade. They lose a decent ruckman + pick 11 for a 27-year-old outside runner + another Demon ???.
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The Swans get screwed if that was the trade. They lose a decent ruckman + pick 11 for a 27-year-old outside runner + another Demon ???.
Does Melbourne have anyone else old enough that the Swans would want? :lol
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From the Demons - if Carlton get him I swear "I'll spew up"
Club CEO Steve Harris said: "Chris' management advised us this morning that Chris had been somewhat surprised by the quality of our club presentation and strategies, and it was a difficult decision. However the club's training facilities at Junction Oval and the need to train at a variety of grounds over summer was an issue.
“It's well known that new state of the art facilities are due for completion at Olympic Park within 2 years, but we do have this comparative disadvantage.
"While it is very disappointing that Chris will be playing elsewhere next year, the club ought to be quietly satisfied that it had got itself from being a rank "no hope" outsider to being very competitive in the pursuit, and ahead of many clubs who failed to even get his attention.
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timing is everything, Judd will most likely now select Collingwood, Collingwood will offer something like 12 and Brown coz Browns brother is at the Eagles ... WCE will say no ... they'll fight over it, at some stage of the proceedings we should ring West Coast and offer Pick 2 for Judd.
Aim- do a deal with eagles for judd straight out, do a deal with west coast p2 for Morton and WCE for Judd into PSD where we take him pick 1, force Collingwood to deal properly with WCE or us ... to get an early pick ... we could turn the whole trade period into a brothel lol.
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Essendon have now confirmed that they have also been told "thanks but no thanks"
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Yep Judd has said no to Melbourne and Essendon according to SEN. Which means Carlton and Collingwood are his preferred clubs.
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Ch 7 reckons there'll be a 3-way trade b/w Melb, WC and Sydney
Picks 4, 11, 21 to West Coast
Travis Johnstone + another Demon to Sydney
Judd + a Swan (possibly Jolly) to Melbourne
Why are West Coast seemingly so desperate for pick 2? Everywhere im reading they are dying for pick 2 lol. And the reason im asking is if they get 4 11 and 21 they have 13 they would have 4 picks inside the top 21 thats not bad at all. Why do they want pick 2.
becaus they want cotchin.
And there isno guarantee he will be there at No3
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SEN saying Melbourne was knocked back due to its player facilities or lack of them compared to other clubs.
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can confirm in light of todays announcements that things are going to plan as far as the rfc is concerned
;)
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can confirm in light of todays announcements that things are going to plan as far as the rfc is concerned
;)
well if it is true, that judd will nominate the skunks, then surely judd will end up in the psd or surely then rfc will enter the table.
the wce have said numerous times, that they will not trade or deal with the pies. that leaves us in the box seat regardless what blues and pies fans think
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Collingwood will be the preffered choice of one chris judd, the longer it takes to officially announce this, the better for richmond.
Behind the scenes, the clubs are clammering to appease the west coast eagles.
The tigers position on this matter is crucial, and just as crucial, it is a position that is flexible.
The names Reid/Brown/Rusling have been intimated as being available.
The tigers public position on this has been significant, their isnt one.
We will work with or against whoever gets us the best deal. If the deal isnt good enough, we will work to get judd ourselves
If pick 2 is traded, expect a downgrade on our 1st round pick, (West coasts or Collingwoods) , also expect at least 1 10 year 18/19 year key position footballer, that is regarded a blue chip talent
Pick 2 = Chris Judd, and everyone knows it.
Stay tuned :shh
We are right in the box seat if he picks collingwood. I cant see how West Coast will allow a side who finished 3rd to get Judd. I cant see it. As for carlton, as long as they keep there "we wont give up 1" policy then we are right in the ball game. We just need a bit of luck now..and some egos to get in the way.
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Pies fans ringing up on the radio saying Judd wouldn't fit into their line-up at the moment and Pendlebury is better than Judd. Funny stuff :rollin
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The Blues have said previously they are willing to put picks 3 & 20 on the table for Judd. I can't see the Pies bettering that unless they were prepared to offer up Thomas or Pendlebury with their first pick 14. It pays to tank ::).
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The Blues have said previously they are willing to put picks 3 & 20 on the table for Judd. I can't see the Pies bettering that unless they were prepared to offer up Thomas or Pendlebury with their first pick 14. It pays to tank ::).
how true..
it pays to tank.
i wouldve been happy if he goes to the demons or even bombers but to carlton or the pies. 6 of 1 i hate em both equally.
and to be honest whoever gets em out of those 2 will be top 4 next year especially if blues manage to keep fev
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If the Eagles hierarchy are thinking the same way as their supporters in regards to Judd going to the Pies then we should hold onto pick 2.
I rather we lose him for nothing in the PSD, rather than some joke of a deal that allows him to play for the Pies.
If he comes back with I want to go to Collingwood and only Collingwood we should go to the media. Say we have given Judd two options to return to Melbourne and he has refused both because he wants to go to Collingwood. We should publicly ask Andy D if he is going to let Eddie McGuire/Collingwood/Judd tamper with the draft process. Put public pressure on Andy D to actually do his job and not look the other way.
Then if nothing happens we let him rot at Richmond. We make a deal with them that they will not trade Judd after one year, for that we will let them have Morton for a 5th round draft pick.
http://www.eaglesflyinghigh.com/stuff=t&sd=a&start=240
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can confirm in light of todays announcements that things are going to plan as far as the rfc is concerned
;)
well if it is true, that judd will nominate the skunks, then surely judd will end up in the psd or surely then rfc will enter the table.
the wce have said numerous times, that they will not trade or deal with the pies. that leaves us in the box seat regardless what blues and pies fans think
Before today it was 4 clubs + us (b/c of the PSD). Now it's down to 2 clubs + us.
The papers tomorrow say Judd will nominate his one preferred club by the end of the week. That will make it a 50/50 chance. If his preferred club is the Blues then I can't see us getting him as they will offer something at least palatable to the Eagles (say picks 3 & 20). However if it's the Pies then as Ramps says we are a big show if egos and a bit of luck come into it.
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From the Australian:
Collingwood met Richmond and spoke to the Blues, who between them have the first three selections in the national draft.
But Carlton took the early initiative and attempted to jump to the front of the queue by setting up a deal with West Coast.
The Blues offered the Eagles pick No3 and 20-year-old West Australian Josh Kennedy.
As the Magpies, whose first pick in the draft is No14, attempted to talk trading to rivals for an early selection to satisfy West Coast, the Blues put their offer on the table, a week before the official start of the player-exchange period on Monday.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22515341-5012432,00.html
From the Age:
West Coast recruiting manager Trevor Woodhouse said yesterday it was "disappointing" that Judd had cut the number of clubs to two, but suggested that Melbourne and Essendon weren't necessarily out of the picture "if push came to shove and we can't come up with a deal with those … it will be interesting to see what transpires, I guess".
Woodhouse dismissed suggestions that the Eagles would not deal with Collingwood over Judd, due in part to a problematic trading history between the clubs. "I think we're big enough to get over all those things, if it comes to the fact where you have to deal with them and the deal's right, then you'll deal with them. It's really a business proposition now, so you can't just say 'no, we don't deal with them'."
http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/two-left-in-the-race-for-judd/2007/10/01/1191091033999.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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Collingwood met Richmond and spoke to the Blues, who between them have the first three selections in the national draft.
I hope we politely told them to buzz off.
Btw KB said today he would trade pick 2 for Judd.
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Btw KB said today he would trade pick 2 for Judd.
I'd hope Miller would too.
We have been quiet on this. I'd like Miller to try and trump the other two.
Is it possible... :shh
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Supertiger on bigfooty has got all the collingwood imbeciles fired up .... asked for 2 players out of Pendlebury Thomas Clarke and Cloke. Also went onto the WCE supporter board and said that at some stage Richmond would probably offer up pick 2 for Judd. Eagles supporters seem happy to get pick 2 for Judd lol. Collingwood and Carlton supporters not so happy lol.
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Supertiger on bigfooty has got all the collingwood imbeciles fired up .... asked for 2 players out of Pendlebury Thomas Clarke and Cloke. Also went onto the WCE supporter board and said that at some stage Richmond would probably offer up pick 2 for Judd. Eagles supporters seem happy to get pick 2 for Judd lol. Collingwood and Carlton supporters not so happy lol.
Supertiger ;) is doing a great job at mission sabotage :lol
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SEN are saying Paul Connors won't be contacting Judd today due to Mainwaring's death (Judd of course wore the same number as Mainwaring). So unless Judd does it himself there most likely won't be a decision today on who is his preferred club.
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Southern Cross news now saying Judd will annouce before 6pm tonight that Carlton is his preferred club.
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Gary Pert on SEN now confirming the Pies got knocked back this arvo and Judd has nominated Carlton as his preferred choice.
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thats not what i was hoping for ... nevertheless we still have 2 ... and 2 is better than 3. Let the fun and games begin.
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Not the decision the RFC would have hoped for although the Eagles still won't be pleased that Judd has only given them one option when they wanted 2 or 3 clubs to negogiate with.
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now the game moves to what we can scounge from the eagles, all there supporters are saying they want p2. it would be such a shame if they missed out on the player they really want ;D
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Richmond supporters now working in unison with WCE supporters to pee off Carlton supporters on Big Footy and other forums. I have to say this is completely juvenile behavior, i would be ashamed to be involved in that rubbish ... imagine that ... trying to wind up bluez supporters ;D
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a skunk director is a client of my vros and told him that when judd spoke to them, he let them know what the blues offered him and they were stunned, could not believe what the blues had offered.
its now evident that judd is only after money, if he does end up therel, i hope he breaks both his legs, if this is just a ploy buy him in order to get to richmond, i take back my previous statement and hope he becomes the gr8est player of all time ;D
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I find it interesting that West Coast are interested in Cotchin.
We should just keep pick 2 and draft Trent, he is a safe bet being from Victoria compared to Morton who will probably end up going home.
Most of the interstate kids that the Eagles take are fairly handy so i would give that a seal of a approval for Cotchin.
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Gary Pert on SEN now confirming the Pies got knocked back this arvo and Judd has nominated Carlton as his preferred choice.
I'd prefer to have a harem of Ho's
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I find it interesting that West Coast are interested in Cotchin.
We should just keep pick 2 and draft Trent, he is a safe bet being from Victoria compared to Morton who will probably end up going home.
Most of the interstate kids that the Eagles take are fairly handy so i would give that a seal of a approval for Cotchin.
im hearing ya
but if we can still get judd in for pick 2 or in teh psd we should go 4 it, even though it is very unlikely
what if though the blues take cotchin at 1?
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apparently carltank are the choice if i heard right on channel 10 news
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it was just made aware to me bny a very reliable source( a carlscum sponsor) that this judd deal was arranged and agreed 2 months ago. judd has been bs his way through the last 2 weeks but 2 months ago he agreed to join the blues
hope he breakes both his legs in a car accident, greedy lying mutha f ukka
all along he has said it had nothing to do with money but it had everyting to do with money and that old fat wrinkly dic k pratt
f em all
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it was just made aware to me bny a very reliable source( a carlscum sponsor) that this judd deal was arranged and agreed 2 months ago. judd has been bs his way through the last 2 weeks but 2 months ago he agreed to join the blues
hope he breakes both his legs in a car accident, greedy lying mutha f ukka
all along he has said it had nothing to do with money but it had everyting to do with money and that old fat wrinkly dic k pratt
f em all
i'd say judd has had his off-field reputation tarnished through this saga
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id say u r correct
judd is a dog, and im certain when the wce play teh blues, they wont treat him with kindness like the lions did to aker
judd dog will be smashed
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A midfield of Judd, Murphy, Gibbs, Stevens plus others fed by Kreuzer over the next 5-10 years sounds daunting but if the Blues end up paying 15-20% of their salary to one player it will hurt them in the long run as it did when they signed Kouta up to mega $$$.
We were only an outside chance of getting Judd anyway if he fell through to the PSD. If he puts a massive bounty on his head then the Blues will have the Eagles over a barrel as I can't see us forking out $7.5m over 5 years on one player.
The new draft rules with the priority pick over 2 years before round 1 of the draft :banghead have effectively handed Judd to Carlton. Just goes to show it pays to tank ::).
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From BF:
Greg Swann just on SEN restated that Pick 1 was not on the table.
He also said the Eagles first demand was #1, #3, another pick and a couple of players. Said it is not that kind of market and they would not sell the farm but a deal would be done.
Spoke to Kennedy and Bower last week as they are WA boys.
Swann also said that if the Eagles send Judd to the PSD, they have a plan B.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=381051
Make of that what you will.
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This is a joke really.
The only reason Judd would chose the Blues is because he knows it is the only club of his 4 that he can get too. He used an excuse about Melbourne's facility as the reason he isn't going there then why would you chose Carlton? Their facilities aren't the Lexua centre either.
And to hear Swann on the radio driving home give me a break "He's coming he's a Carlton player" - well folks no he aint until that deal is done :banghead
We were only an outside chance of getting Judd anyway if he fell through to the PSD. If he puts a massive bounty on his head then the Blues will have the Eagles over a barrel as I can't see us forking out $7.5m over 5 years on one player.
Yeah Swann basically confirmed this - he said with pick 2 in the PSD Judd would be available to them only
serious question can you trade PSD choices? I thought they were going to allow it this year -it would be interesting
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Wp,
Carltank offer 3, 20 and Kennedy. Say the hypothetical happens, WCE say not good enough, not going to happen.
We could trump by offering WCE 2 and 19 and a player for Judd, but then again, why not get Carlton to trade 3, 20 and Kennedy to us, for two RFC fringe players (take your pick).
We then miraculously cannot afford Judd in the PSD.
RFC picks : 2,3,18,19,20 and a player.
I know this smacks of the Veale deal, but then again, it is different, as we could actually prove that Carltank would pay more to Judd than we are prepared to in the PSD.
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Wp,
Carltank offer 3, 20 and Kennedy. Say the hypothetical happens, WCE say not good enough, not going to happen.
We could trump by offering WCE 2 and 19 and a player for Judd, but then again, why not get Carlton to trade 3, 20 and Kennedy to us, for two RFC fringe players (take your pick).
We then miraculously cannot afford Judd in the PSD.
RFC picks : 2,3,18,19,20 and a player.
I know this smacks of the Veale deal, but then again, it is different, as we could actually prove that Carltank would pay more to Judd than we are prepared to in the PSD.
Sold and we didn't tank :thumbsup ;D
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i know this may sound like a stupid question but they i heard gm on sen the other day saying we dont have room in our cap.
So can someone tell me where is this money going to. Okay i know browny is on a good wicket but who else could jeapardise our chances of getting judd to punt road with a massive offer.
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i think we have room but we are staying within our budget.
good luck to judd and the bloos, mind you it might end up been an noose around their neck, especially considering the money they will be forking out.
murphy, gibbs and a few others will be wanting their cake as well in the not to far distant future, do we envisage another brown paper bag fiasco.
lets face it Pratt likes flying close to the governing laws, just ask the ACCC..
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GM make your move son.
dump pick 2 offer it to the eagles and lets see carlton supporters suffer.
To me personally to get Judd and trump the blues in the meantime. This to me would be like winning a final against those gutless money hungry pricks...
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GM make your move son.
dump pick 2 offer it to the eagles and lets see carlton supporters suffer.
To me personally to get Judd and trump the blues in the meantime. This to me would be like winning a final against those gutless money hungry pricks...
If it was fair we would probably have a shot but I have the feeling Pratt's back pocket will push it over the line. :shh
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Judd will be looked at as a mercenary from now on I reckon.
Why would he go to Carltank?
Oh that's right, threw throwing MONEY at him
Will without a doubt lose a heap of respect from the footballing public IMHO, especially from Weagle fans
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Judd will be looked at as a mercenary from now on I reckon.
Why would he go to Carltank?
Oh that's right, threw throwing MONEY at him
Will without a doubt lose a heap of respect from the footballing public IMHO, especially from Weagle fans
of course pratt will be throwing the cheque book to him and his mrs.
the only thing judd hs going for him is his mrs and her twin towers cause to me he is a fkcuken wanker who was always after the loot.
i hope he breaks both his legs just after this kruizer bloke does his knee
cant stand carlton. number 1 hated team by far
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This could be absolute rubbish but on the Eagles forum it says their officials have been spotted at Punt Rd.
Our (Eagles) staff have been spotted at Punt Road and its probably what they are discussing. I'd say we have a plan in place if the Blues dont give us what we want.
http://www.eaglesflyinghigh.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=10983&sid=96b241be1e07d8c2effc8fd5df4f9922#p243538
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GM make your move son.
dump pick 2 offer it to the eagles and lets see carlton supporters suffer.
To me personally to get Judd and trump the blues in the meantime. This to me would be like winning a final against those gutless money hungry pricks...
If it was fair we would probably have a shot but I have the feeling Pratt's back pocket will push it over the line. :shh
that would be his side pocket.
As tenacious as he is,he and the CFC are merely figures in a much larger equation.
Show me the signature. :sleep
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what do people think carlton will give up for Judd ???
No.1 --- out of the question ...
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i would say there next 3 picks ...
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From the Herald-Sun, Age and Australian this morning....
CARLTON and West Coast have drawn swords over the No. 1 draft selection, with the Blues yesterday emphatic the first pick would not be part of the Chris Judd trade.
The Eagles have initially -- and boldly -- demanded the No. 1 pick, plus No. 3, No. 20 and West Australian youngster Josh Kennedy in exchange for their former captain.
It's believed the Blues are tipped to offer three parts of the package -- minus the No. 1 choice.
Eagles' CEO Nisbett indicated an offer involving pick No. 1 would be sufficient to clinch the deal. "Chris is the best player in Australia and I just don't believe people when they say an 18-year-old young lad is going to be better than him. I'm in a state of disbelief that any club could think that his value to their club is not the first pick in the national draft."
"It certainly would be a lot better than 3 and 20 or 3 and 20 and whatever," Nisbett said, adding he hoped discussions would not be complicated by other clubs becoming involved.
Blues' CEO Swann said Carlton had long ago reserved its priority pick in the November draft for Northern Knights ruckman Matthew Kreuzer. "From day one, we said we weren't going to give up the farm, and No1 has always been out of the equation in any dealing to get Chris Judd," Swann said.
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Carlton yesterday acknowledged that its main obstacle was Richmond, which has the second selection in the national draft as well as the first pick in the pre-season draft for players out of contract.
Richmond is eyeing the Judd deal, mindful it could benefit from the transaction, and is ready to pounce in the event that Carlton and West Coast cannot come to terms.
The Tigers have first pick in the pre-season draft, which is where Judd would end up if a deal was not reached before the deadline.
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Talking about prices, Judd will earn probably $1.2-1.4 million a year in a five-year contract. From football; his salary and share of what are known as Additional Services Agreements.
He is expected to be listed on at least $800,000 in salary-cap terms. On top of all that, there will be the inevitable "commercial opportunities".
As one industry observer said: "He's got a queue a mile long of people who will want a piece of him." Football and associated opportunities may earn him $2 million a year.
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The Eagles have initially -- and boldly -- demanded the No. 1 pick
I hope that they stick hard on this - Carlton stole that pick, their arrogance is galling. I don't think I could get over them winning a flag in the next five years. I gotta get over it.
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KB and Greg Denham from the Australian were talking about us this morning. They said Miller and March's silence on the Judd decision has been deafening and think we're cooking something. KB once again said we should offer pick 2 for Judd and trump Carlton. He tried to get Miller on today but Greg's up at the draft camp. KB hopes to get Miller on tomorrow sometime.
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Here's an idea, why don't we offer pic 2 to the eagles and get him over the line with a Lucrative advertising contract for his missus at Crazy John's new combined mobile phone and sexy lingerie stores which will be called "Crazy Johns and Sexy Bec's". Their motto. "Whats the good of buying some sexy lingerie if you can't call someone to come and check you out!"....Well....I said it was an idea...I didn't say it was a good one. :help Bec would make a pretty good spokesmodel though. :o
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from memory earlier in the season there were eagles officials visiting punt rd...cant remember where i did see it....?
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You've got to laugh at the Pies missing out again on a big name player. Gehrig, Browny, Stevens, J.Brown and now Judd. Eddie spewing with his "Judd went for a labotomy instead of a groin op in Sydney" line this morning :wallywink.
i know this may sound like a stupid question but they i heard gm on sen the other day saying we dont have room in our cap.
So can someone tell me where is this money going to. Okay i know browny is on a good wicket but who else could jeapardise our chances of getting judd to punt road with a massive offer.
As rogerd3 said we have plenty of room under the cap but we have put our own cap on how much we pay in TPP. March pretty much said we'll find the money. Even Richo said he'd take a paycut to have Judd at Punt Rd.
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So what do people think our odds of snaring Judd are?
I agree with the a few others here. At the very least we should be sending the Eagles a fax on or before Friday saying "pick 2 is on the table".
If he chose Collingwood I thought we were an outside chance, maybe 6-1.
Reckon that its more like 10-1 now.
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what do people think carlton will give up for Judd ???
No.1 --- out of the question ...
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i would say there next 3 picks ...
I've got a feeling the Eagles will belatedly accept picks 3, 20 and Kennedy come the trade week deadline. We wanted a top 10 pick plus another first rounder for Ottens. In the end we agreed to picks 12 and 16.
To answer Jake's question I would say our chances are now more like 50-1. I can't see a deal not being done b/w Carlton and the Eagles unless the Eagles draw a line in the sand and want to send a message to all their players by making Judd take his chances in the PSD like Port did with Stevens.
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If he goes in the draft, can he put the same terms of what Carlton were going to pay him?
Would put most clubs out of the running, and hopefully Richmond too.
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If he goes in the draft, can he put the same terms of what Carlton were going to pay him?
Would put most clubs out of the running, and hopefully Richmond too.
In the PSD yes he can Moi. The risk for Carlton though is we may still actually pay whatever the amount is to grab Judd and also the Blues wouldn't want to be risk caught draft tampering.
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whats the general consensus if the Eagles do a Port and send Judd into the PSD?
Do we take Judd or shock Carlton into giving us something in return for us passing up Judd?
Personally i'd do the latter, draw blood from Carlton!
Judd's salary would cost too much plus i'd rather have 2-3 three great kids instead :thumbsup
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Judds football salary wherever he goes will be about $750,000 per year - thats all that gets put into the cap. The rest of the $600,000 is marketing money ... If Judds available we should get him. Somehow we have to force something from this fiasco.
The AFL must be horrified that there bottom club is not gonna get the best young player in the draft and the bottom team is not gonna get the best player in the competition because a club that rorted and cheated in the past somehow has managed to get the early pick and the priority. Just like when the AFL took Locket from Richmonds hands and sent him to Sydney, the AFL should make sure that Mr Judd does not go to Carlton or at the very least - that Richmond is compensated for this fiasco.
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Wont happen.
Think the clincher for me was when Nisbett talking about Skunks, said something to the effect of their non preferance of them, would not be affected as they look on it as a business decision only.
That means they will not give up Judd for nothing.
Richmond will not offer pick 2.
And 3 - 20 and a player is not bad.
Nisbett also said he will rely on his recruiters to get the best possible, to me meaning the picks will suit the requirements.
What will they end up with 3 20 and whatever they allready have.
Plus we cant afford him anyway.
Think the AFL should keep a close eye on the carlscum though, really dont see how they can be affording all this and cant see them keeping all these guys together for to long without CHEATING AGAIN
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whats the general consensus if the Eagles do a Port and send Judd into the PSD?
Do we take Judd or shock Carlton into giving us something in return for us passing up Judd?
Personally i'd do the latter, draw blood from Carlton!
Yep do that and then do a backflip and totally screw them, that's what I would do anyway.
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Judds football salary wherever he goes will be about $750,000 per year - thats all that gets put into the cap. The rest of the $600,000 is marketing money ... If Judds available we should get him. Somehow we have to force something from this fiasco.
The AFL must be horrified that there bottom club is not gonna get the best young player in the draft and the bottom team is not gonna get the best player in the competition because a club that rorted and cheated in the past somehow has managed to get the early pick and the priority. Just like when the AFL took Locket from Richmonds hands and sent him to Sydney, the AFL should make sure that Mr Judd does not go to Carlton or at the very least - that Richmond is compensated for this fiasco.
and not to mention the handout they recieved, i remember been told that the AFL in fact did have a hand in lockett ending up in Sydney.
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There is only one rule to adhere by in this situation.
stuff everyone,in every way !
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A Hawk fan has posted a summary of their Canberra Hawks draft camp function. Not sure how they can claim we can't afford Judd under the salary cap ???.
Chris Judd
They heard the same rumours. Possibly pick 3, Josh Kennedy and pick 20. Pelchen said that if he was WC he would push for more. Carlton have some power though – Richmond cannot afford to fit Judd under the salary cap, so Carlton have first dibs at Judd in the pre-season draft if it comes to that.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=381518
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SEN rumours coming thick and fast.
Fev to Richmond in exchange for our 1st PSD pick. Liam Pickering reckons you can trade PSD picks. I thought you couldn't ???
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SEN rumours coming thick and fast.
Fev to Richmond in exchange for our 1st PSD pick. Liam Pickering reckons you can trade PSD picks. I thought you couldn't ???
Confirmed you can't trade PSD picks.
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SEN rumours coming thick and fast.
Fev to Richmond in exchange for our 1st PSD pick. Liam Pickering reckons you can trade PSD picks. I thought you couldn't ???
isnt pickering a player manager, and he doesnt know the rules?
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A Hawk fan has posted a summary of their Canberra Hawks draft camp function. Not sure how they can claim we can't afford Judd under the salary cap ???.
Chris Judd
They heard the same rumours. Possibly pick 3, Josh Kennedy and pick 20. Pelchen said that if he was WC he would push for more. Carlton have some power though – Richmond cannot afford to fit Judd under the salary cap, so Carlton have first dibs at Judd in the pre-season draft if it comes to that.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=381518
strange it seems everyone thinks we cant fit him in, but we can.
we are on budget with what we spend so as not to break the bank.
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IM everso HO - we should try and do something.
The fact is Judd is the best mid-fielder in the comp, arguably the best player in the comp.
If we have any chance to secure this player I think we have to investigate.
A mid-field of Judd, Foley, Tambling, Lids and Tuck (doing the in and under stuff) sounds Ok to me ;D
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Latest in the Judd Trade and Richmond's role in it.
We will bleed both Carltank and Wet Toast. Richmond will have a productive trade week.
it looks like going like this.
Richmond: Kennedy, Staker, Pick 3 (Masten) 18: Bellchambers: 19: McGinnity. 35: Hobbs. 51. Venturini. 67. Silvestor. 83. Searl (N.B)
Rookies. Alastair Neville. Sam Robertson.
Delisted: Moore, Hartigan, P.Bowden, Tivendale, Krakeour, + 4 Retirements & Howat is = gone.
Looking to trade Schulz, O-Nicholls, Hughes, Pettifer, Raines, Tuck. We believe we have replacements for these muppets.
The problem Carltank have, Wet Toast want Cotchin. We have pick 2. We want him. Morton is outside+. We get some freebies for free. Josh Kennedy and Brent Staker.
Richmond will get Masten and not Morton. Mark it down.
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Latest in the Judd Trade and Richmond's role in it.
We will bleed both Carltank and Wet Toast. Richmond will have a productive trade week.
it looks like going like this.
Richmond: Kennedy, Staker, Pick 3 (Masten) 18: Bellchambers: 19: McGinnity. 35: Hobbs. 51. Venturini. 67. Silvestor. 83. Searl (N.B)
Rookies. Alastair Neville. Sam Robertson.
Delisted: Moore, Hartigan, P.Bowden, Tivendale, Krakeour, + 4 Retirements & Howat is = gone.
Looking to trade Schulz, O-Nicholls, Hughes, Pettifer, Raines, Tuck. We believe we have replacements for these muppets.
The problem Carltank have, Wet Toast want Cotchin. We have pick 2. We want him. Morton is outside+. We get some freebies for free. Josh Kennedy and Brent Staker.
Richmond will get Masten and not Morton. Mark it down.
Are you a betting man??
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Tigers can crumb Judd
Richmond 'Smokey'
MX - Wed, Oct 3, 2007
Settle down, Carlton fans - you haven't got Chris Judd yet.
Richmond still has a chance to secure the superstar's signature in the pre-season draft.
"Richmond is the smokey in all of this," a leading player manager told mX.
The manager said Richmond could make room for Judd in its salary cap if Carlton couldn't satisfy the Eagles.
This would send Judd to the pre-season draft, where the Tigers have the No. 1 choice.
"If Carlton can't do a deal, everyone thinks they will take him in the pre-season draft anyway (where the Blues have Pick No. 2), that they will price Richmond out of it," the manager said.
"But I'm not so sure Richmond- has as little money as they're making out.
"I think they have room in the cap if push came to shove."
While Judd is not in navy blue yet, his preference makes trade week less of a headache.
"It's going to be a lot easier than if he had said Collingwood, put it that way," the manager said.
"If he'd picked Collingwood the week would have dragged on.
"Carlton has the picks that can satisfy West Coast. It comes down to what West Coast wants in return.
"West Coast might say it's all well and good you want Judd, but we want pick one.
"It depends how long West Coast play hard ball."
The manager said the deal could drag on until next Friday's trading deadline.
"It still might go down to the death knock," he said.
"Carlton, I think, will hold their ground."
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IM everso HO - we should try and do something.
The fact is Judd is the best mid-fielder in the comp, arguably the best player in the comp.
If we have any chance to secure this player I think we have to investigate.
A mid-field of Judd, Foley, Tambling, Lids and Tuck (doing the in and under stuff) sounds Ok to me ;D
tambling???
tihis kid has gotta lift to be put in the same league has the others in our midfield...
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Richmond will get Masten and not Morton. Mark it down.
You have no credibility, evaluator, remember?
Please go away.
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we have another sybil. :clapping
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u make as much sense as my mrs after she downs her 5th drink
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Some Hawk fan on BF reckons we'll be meeting the Eagles and it'll be reported in the news in the next few days. It could be about the Mortons, Judd or it could be complete garbage.
Good friend on Tigers Payroll. Will be reported in the news over the next couple of days he said. He has no idea what the meeting is for - he's not a senior official, just an admin assistant.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9026269&postcount=1
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So the Eagles are going to give up Staker (when they actually want more HFFs not less) as well as Judd while for pick 2 we gain pick 3, Kennedy and Staker. Not likely ???.
While Masten (who has OP) is a type of player we need, he isn't in the club's top 3. Kreuzer, Cotchin and Morton are.
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You're a champ, mt. :)
Patience of a saint. I reckon you'd argue logic with Peter Hoare (and quite likely just have ;D).
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http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/tigers-not-out-of-judd-picture/2007/10/03/1191091193757.html
Tigers not out of Judd picture
Steve Butler and Jake Niall | October 4, 2007
RICHMOND has ramped up the pressure on Carlton to come up with a suitable deal with West Coast by claiming it will have the salary cap room and financial backing to take Chris Judd in the pre-season draft.
The former Eagles captain, who is returning to Melbourne after six years in Perth, revealed on Tuesday he wanted to continue his career with the Blues.
But with West Coast and Carlton at a stand-off over the Blues' No. 1 pick in the national draft, the Tigers could still get Judd at the pre-season draft on December 11.
The Blues have the second pick in the pre-season draft and could get Judd for nothing if Richmond was unable to fit Judd in its salary cap.
West Coast will today have its first trade talks with Carlton, Eagles recruiting manager Trevor Woodhouse saying last night he would meet Carlton football operations manager Stephen Icke about Judd at the draft camp in Canberra.
Tigers football director Greg Miller and West Coast chief executive Trevor Nisbett have already held discussions about Judd — another indication that Richmond is positioning itself as a player in the Judd trade.
Miller said yesterday the club was focused on its youth policy but could take Judd if West Coast and the Blues could not agree on a deal next week.
"Ninety-nine times out of 100 in these cases Carlton would do the deal," Miller said.
"I can understand West Coast wanting No. 1, but Carlton will have to make the decision and we're not involved in the processes behind the scenes.
"We're not focusing on it at all, but we've made preparations and we're not too close to the salary cap in that regard and there's no financial preclusions on us at any level."
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Miller is a cunning little bugger :lol. He's now given West Coast the leverage to demand pick 1 as the Blues can't get Judd in the PSD. So unless the Eagles cave in, the Blues have to decide if they want Kreuzer or Judd.
At least this backs up what we've been saying about having plenty of room under the salary cap. The media and Pelchen were talking crap ::).
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Miller is a cunning little bugger :lol. He's now given West Coast the leverage to demand pick 1 as the Blues can't get Judd in the PSD. So unless the Eagles cave in, the Blues have to decide if they want Kreuzer or Judd.
At least this backs up what we've been saying about having plenty of room under the salary cap. The media and Pelchen were talking crap ::).
i have no doubt what so ever that when miller was in perth a few weeks ago, he and the eagles got together re this issue.
imo i reckon miller told the eagles that tghe rfc will do whatever it can to help them get their best possible trade and pick. so,ething like, we will makme sure we put pressure on the blues to give up pick 1, if they dont , we will be waiting and i bet some sort of "veale" deal has been organised with the eagles or judd will be ours in the psd
miller do ur stuff!
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Would be so hilarious if we stole Judd from under Carlton's nose :lol
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Would be so hilarious if we stole Judd from under Carlton's nose :lol
for me personally it will be like winning a final to steal him from them...
GM put the pressure on son
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After thinking about this more, I agree with MT - we have next to no chance.
I don't think West Coast are that interested in picks 19, 20. I don't really think Kennedy holds too much weight for them either.
At the end of the day if Carlton offer 3, 20 and Kennedy and our 2 is on the table, if WCE say PO to Carlton then Carlton will offer 1, 20 and Kennedy. There's no way Pratt will want to live up to his name and look like a fool after all the PR over the last couple of days.
Our only hope is a bit of friction between the two clubs.
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After thinking about this more, I agree with MT - we have next to no chance.
I don't think West Coast are that interested in picks 19, 20. I don't really think Kennedy holds too much weight for them either.
At the end of the day if Carlton offer 3, 20 and Kennedy and our 2 is on the table, if WCE say PO to Carlton then Carlton will offer 1, 20 and Kennedy. There's no way Pratt will want to live up to his name and look like a fool after all the PR over the last couple of days.
Our only hope is a bit of friction between the two clubs.
i agree but its all about the first pick isnt it.
Let GM put the pressure on em to trade that pick 1 or no Judd and we get him.
Alternatively we get Kruizer and after all their tanking for that bloke wouldnt that be funny...
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Actually we should engineer a gentlemen's agreement with WCE to publicly offer pick 2 to extort pick 1 out of Carlton.
In exchange, we ask them to pass on who we desire with pick 2 in the draft.
Carlton - lose pick 1.
Richmond - effectively gain pick 1.
WCE - get pick 2.
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Latest in the Judd Trade and Richmond's role in it.
We will bleed both Carltank and Wet Toast. Richmond will have a productive trade week.
it looks like going like this.
Richmond: Kennedy, Staker, Pick 3 (Masten) 18: Bellchambers: 19: McGinnity. 35: Hobbs. 51. Venturini. 67. Silvestor. 83. Searl (N.B)
Rookies. Alastair Neville. Sam Robertson.
Delisted: Moore, Hartigan, P.Bowden, Tivendale, Krakeour, + 4 Retirements & Howat is = gone.
Looking to trade Schulz, O-Nicholls, Hughes, Pettifer, Raines, Tuck. We believe we have replacements for these muppets.
The problem Carltank have, Wet Toast want Cotchin. We have pick 2. We want him. Morton is outside+. We get some freebies for free. Josh Kennedy and Brent Staker.
Richmond will get Masten and not Morton. Mark it down.
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Richmond will get Masten and not Morton. Mark it down.
You have no credibility, evaluator, remember?
Please go away.
Im actually not so sure this is evaluator. There is a Ryan18 on BF Im pretty sure that is usually pretty normal.
Either way Im not impressed with the picks.
We dont need another Polo at 19. Not because Polo isnt good, just because we dont need another one. Would rather Grimes @ 19 and Cotchin @ 2. Tayte Pears instead of Bellchambers if he slips that far.
etc.
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Richmond will get Masten and not Morton. Mark it down.
You have no credibility, evaluator, remember?
Please go away.
Im actually not so sure this is evaluator. There is a Ryan18 on BF Im pretty sure that is usually pretty normal.
Either way Im not impressed with the picks.
We dont need another Polo at 19. Not because Polo isnt good, just because we dont need another one. Would rather Grimes @ 19 and Cotchin @ 2. Tayte Pears instead of Bellchambers if he slips that far.
etc.
Polo is a great midfielder
He has always been a tough footballer even before the draft to Richmond
l rate him highly he should surprise alot next year with his progress if he dont l personally kick his ass
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Im actually not so sure this is evaluator.
be sure.be very sure.
Nicely put, ff.
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Latest Judd and Tigers rumourings on BF...
... source is not great. Just admin assistant at Tigers Payroll. The problem is, news is leaking because everyone is in a frenzy over this.
The update is:
1. The Eagles are seething over Carlton's stance with pick 1 considering Judd is on the table. They are in a pretty emotional state as it is with Mainwaring - understandable.
2. The Eagles are actually desperate to get Kruezer. I would have thought they have enough rucks. But they believe this guy is too good to pass up.
3. The tigers have room in the cap and are preparing to make more. Players trades are being prepared.
4. Apparently an ultimatum is going to be made by WCE to Blues when they meet over the next few hours. If Carlton continue their no pick 1 for Judd stance, WCE will cut off all communication with them until they advise pick 1 is on the table. They will advise Judd that they are looking elsewhere and if need be, established players instead of trade picks will be looked at.Fascinating switch in policy. They are obviously looking at all options.
5. The tigers are more optimistic than ever that Judd can be landed at Punt Road.
My source says expect this ultimatum to hit the news after the meeting. (if Carlton does not put pick 1 on the table).
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9034882&postcount=1
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what do you think of this.
Richmond : trade pick 2 for pick 3 gain morton ( WC ) swap our picks 19 and 35 with ( CARL ) for 20 and 36 and we get either walker, simpson, or carrazzo )
Result : picks 3 , 18 , 20 , 36 , 51 , 67 plus morton and either walker, simpson, or carrazzo.
Carlton : gain pick 2 from ( RICH ), swap there picks 20 and 36 for ( RICH ) picks 19 and 35 and either walker, simpson, or carrazzo to ( RICH )
pick 2 and 19 plus a player (say kennedy to West Coast )
Result : picks 1 , 35 ,51 , 68 plus Judd
West Coast : gain picks 2 and 20 plus a player (say kennedy) and morton to ( RICH )
Result : 2, 13 , 19, 30, 46, 62, 78 and a player (say kennedy)
* NOTE : while i personally dont want the tigers to play any part in the judd going to any other victorian club, but for us to get him via PSD.
im not a big wrap for morton to the tigers, but i think its a morale.
but us giving up pick 2 allows (WC) to get C. Morton or Cotchin. We would get who they dont pick ( nothing lost there ).
By swapping picks with carlton we get either walker, simpson, or carrazzo, wouldnt think it changes too much with our original selections.
What do you think ?
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* NOTE : while i personally dont want the tigers to play any part in the judd going to any other victorian club, but for us to get him via PSD.
im not a big wrap for morton to the tigers, but i think its a morale.
I'm in this boat with you T03. I also rate Cotchin ahead of the younger Morton so I wouldn't do it unless I was 100% sure the Eagles would take Morton at #2 so we get Cotchin at #3 anyway. The Eagles seem to want Kreuzer or Cotchin though so I'd pass.
I still don't get why we are after Mitch Morton. Makes no sense to me us chasing a HFF ???.
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I still don't get why we are after Mitch Morton. Makes no sense to me us chasing a HFF ???.
maybe we are chasing mitch cos we rate cale better than cotchin, iirc, cale is a taller player and is something special, cotchin just may be another small that does not come on.
also, we just dont know, maybe behind teh scenes are are going to tade say a petts for something better thus mitch comes in as a hff
tigers are going to be very active in the next 1.5 weeks
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At the end of the day if Carlton offer 3, 20 and Kennedy and our 2 is on the table, if WCE say PO to Carlton then Carlton will offer 1, 20 and Kennedy. There's no way Pratt will want to live up to his name and look like a fool after all the PR over the last couple of days.
Our only hope is a bit of friction between the two clubs.
I reckon you're on the money Jake. The talk on the Blues forums is this is what they'll do. They'll look like complete idiots if Judd slipped through to us with Ratten saying he's looking forward to coaching Judd. Some wag has even already added Judd to the Carlton's wikipedia page. Be funny as if they missed out now :lol.
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I still don't get why we are after Mitch Morton. Makes no sense to me us chasing a HFF ???.
maybe we are chasing mitch cos we rate cale better than cotchin, iirc, cale is a taller player and is something special, cotchin just may be another small that does not come on.
also, we just dont know, maybe behind teh scenes are are going to tade say a petts for something better thus mitch comes in as a hff
tigers are going to be very active in the next 1.5 weeks
I worry when I hear Richmond say player Y is something special but will take 4-5 years before we see it :help. Morton is 6kgs lighter than Cotchin even though he's 8cm taller. We seem to be the only club with whispers saying we're considering taking Morton ahead of Cotchin. That doesn't give me confidence and having seen Cotchin play then Morton better be bloody good for him to be rated higher.
We could also stuff the Eagles instead of the Blues and trade Harts to Carlton for pick 3 on the condition we let Judd go to the Blues in the PSD and we pick up Morton instead. We then get both Cotchin and both Mortons ;).
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I still don't get why we are after Mitch Morton. Makes no sense to me us chasing a HFF ???.
maybe we are chasing mitch cos we rate cale better than cotchin, iirc, cale is a taller player and is something special, cotchin just may be another small that does not come on.
also, we just dont know, maybe behind teh scenes are are going to tade say a petts for something better thus mitch comes in as a hff
tigers are going to be very active in the next 1.5 weeks
I worry when I hear Richmond say player Y is something special but will take 4-5 years before we see it :help. Morton is 6kgs lighter than Cotchin even though he's 8cm taller. We seem to be the only club with whispers saying we're considering taking Morton ahead of Cotchin. That doesn't give me confidence and having seen Cotchin play then Morton better be bloody good for him to be rated higher.
We could also stuff the Eagles instead of the Blues and trade Harts to Carlton for pick 3 on the condition we let Judd go to the Blues in the PSD and we pick up Morton instead. We then get both Cotchin and both Mortons ;).
true mt
but re cotchin, i have seen him play a little this yr, not much i admit and thought he is a bit overrated. everytime i saw him play i thought he isnt that special, maybe i just got him on bad days or when he was carrying an injury or 2.
also, cotchin played mainly school footy, even jackson and moore looked gr8 in school footy as did dudly roach. school footy isnt that special
also, i heard cale has put on a bit of weight this yr and is heavier than that what ppl think.
he also maybe will bulk up quicker than a moore or mguane or thursty, we just dont know
its all chance, cotchin maybe a gun or a dud , likewise morton, the one thing we know 4 sure, id that if the blues want judd, they will have to cough up pick 1! :whistle
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Some wag has even already added Judd to the Carlton's wikipedia page. Be funny as if they missed out now :lol.
Thats too funny MT! :rollin :rollin :rollin :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
The guy probably also suffers from premature.....you know what!
Should it fall through I would take great pleasure in requesting the ammendment! :lol
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I still don't get why we are after Mitch Morton. Makes no sense to me us chasing a HFF ???.
maybe we are chasing mitch cos we rate cale better than cotchin, iirc, cale is a taller player and is something special, cotchin just may be another small that does not come on.
also, we just dont know, maybe behind teh scenes are are going to tade say a petts for something better thus mitch comes in as a hff
tigers are going to be very active in the next 1.5 weeks
I worry when I hear Richmond say player Y is something special but will take 4-5 years before we see it :help. Morton is 6kgs lighter than Cotchin even though he's 8cm taller. We seem to be the only club with whispers saying we're considering taking Morton ahead of Cotchin. That doesn't give me confidence and having seen Cotchin play then Morton better be bloody good for him to be rated higher.
We could also stuff the Eagles instead of the Blues and trade Harts to Carlton for pick 3 on the condition we let Judd go to the Blues in the PSD and we pick up Morton instead. We then get both Cotchin and both Mortons ;).
true mt
but re cotchin, i have seen him play a little this yr, not much i admit and thought he is a bit overrated. everytime i saw him play i thought he isnt that special, maybe i just got him on bad days or when he was carrying an injury or 2.
also, cotchin played mainly school footy, even jackson and moore looked gr8 in school footy as did dudly roach. school footy isnt that special
also, i heard cale has put on a bit of weight this yr and is heavier than that what ppl think.
he also maybe will bulk up quicker than a moore or mguane or thursty, we just dont know
its all chance, cotchin maybe a gun or a dud , likewise morton, the one thing we know 4 sure, id that if the blues want judd, they will have to cough up pick 1! :whistle
That's true X.
I'd say my views have become stronger towards avoiding athletic lightweight draftees and more towards more solidly built natural footballers given the types of players that have been the key players of flag winning sides. Hey I could be proven wrong and Morton could end up the pick of the draft in the long run but I rate Cotchin based on his footskills and decision making which don't appear to fall away under pressure. He's also a good size already for a midfielder.
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so true, i think its time footballers were drafted 1st, look at selwood, he is a footballer and strong and was by far the best in last yrs draft.
apparantly deledio jnr is a solid unit , maybe he will figure somehere same as selwood jnr
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Ch 10 news reporting the Carlton fear the Judd saga will drag well into trade week. Sounds like the Eagles have upped the ante on wanting Calrton's pick #1.
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Ch 10 news reporting the Carlton fear the Judd saga will drag well into trade week. Sounds like the Eagles have upped the ante on wanting Calrton's pick #1.
yep, i mentioned his b4, wce are just doing what any club would do if judd was theirs, lets face it, no one can replace judd, he is a stuff but if someone or a deal was to be made , pick 1 would have to be part of it, just makes sence.
lets say hypo speaking j.brown wanted out of brisbane, they would never give him up for at least a pick 1 .
i said it b4, and i will say it again, if the blues dont offer pick one as part of the judd deal, judd will be a tiger
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Well the way Ratten has been eyeing off Kruezer at the draft camp Carlton don't intend to give up pick 1 at this stage. Come the trade deadline it'll depend on who blinks first out of the Eagles and Blues as to where Judd ends up.
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Well the way Ratten has been eyeing off Kruezer at the draft camp Carlton don't intend to give up pick 1 at this stage. Come the trade deadline it'll depend on who blinks first out of the Eagles and Blues as to where Judd ends up.
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and i hope its not the eagles. if they fall for it from the blues and pick up that dud kennedy, 3 and watever else they will be classified as the biggest joke in the AFL.
how can judd not be a number 1 pick. You may say well ottens was 12 and 16 but lets not forget this is the best year of footy that guy has played.
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Judd talks hit hurdle
4/10/2007 5:59:10 PM
Sportal
Carlton's initial optimism that an agreement to secure Chris Judd could be stitched-up quickly appears to have evaporated with senior coach Brett Ratten conceding the deal may go down to the wire.
http://sportal.com.au/default.aspx/afl-news-display/judd-talks-hit-hurdle-36744
Btw another BF rumour is
Dogs - pick 20, Kennedy
Eagles - picks 3, 5
Blues - Judd
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Poor Josh Kennedy. He's getting theoretically shunted all over the place. Must be feeling really good about it all. Probably a prospective top line player himself.
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According to an Eagles fan, Trevor Woodhouse was just on 6pr. Basically he said negotiations have barely started. He says Carlton have yet to sit down and start serious negotiations yet.
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Poor Josh Kennedy. He's getting theoretically shunted all over the place. Must be feeling really good about it all. Probably a prospective top line player himself.
he is about as good as jay shultz.
i watched Carlton a bit this year cause of the mrs and brother being members and he is a dud. He will be another 5 year proposition like Jay was and it will end up with the same result...
surely the eagles can see this and god forbid if the doggies dump that pick 5. If that happens i can safely say they will be bottom 4 next year
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doggies wont give up pick 5 unless it is for a seasoned bloke not some young kid with the word potential beside his name.
the bloos are looking everywhere for that other pick when they have it already, i reckon they will give up 1 and 3.
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The Judd saga gets juicier. We're up to our eyeballs in it with both the Eagles and Carlton wanting us involved to screw the other.
Blues on prowl for new talent
Jake Niall | October 5, 2007 | The Age
Negotiations between Carlton and West Coast stalled yesterday in their first meeting since Judd nominated the Blues as his preferred club, with the Blues sticking to their position that the first draft pick was not on the table, while the Eagles want picks one and three and call Carlton's refusal to give up the first pick for Judd "insulting".
West Coast recruiting manager Trevor Woodhouse and Carlton football operations manager Steven Icke met yesterday, but neither party budged from their positions. The Blues did not offer the Eagles West Australian forward Josh Kennedy in their discussions yesterday, though an offer of pick three and Kennedy was believed to be the club's initial proposal.
West Coast chief executive Trevor Nisbett said his club would be interested in taking its discussions with Richmond further if its negotiations with Carlton did not bring about a deal.
Nisbett said Richmond director of football Greg Miller had "told us they're very interested if things don't work out with Carlton … Greg's got first pick in the pre-season, he knows exactly where he stands, he's been doing this for a very long time, so he knows what to do."
http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/blues-on-prowl-for-new-talent/2007/10/04/1191091278837.html
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Blues to lock out Eagles for Judd
Greg Denham | October 05, 2007 | The Australian
CARLTON has masterminded a potential deal that could secure former West Coast captain Chris Judd.
The deal would work even if the Blues cannot strike a satisfactory trade deal with the Eagles.
The Australian yesterday learned of the plan to involve a third club -- Richmond -- which would provide win-win situations for both Carlton and the Tigers but would freeze out the Eagles, who could end up with nothing in compensation for losing their 2004 Brownlow medallist.
Carlton and West Coast were still in deadlock yesterday over a trade that would satisfy the Eagles and allow for a smooth transition for Judd to cross next week to Carlton, the club of his choice.
Should that stand-off continue, it is understood that the Blues will attempt to involve Richmond in a perfectly legal trade strategy, but one which could be perceived to be outside the spirit of the game.
The deal would involve Carlton swapping pick No3 for selection No18, Richmond's bonus second draft selection as a result of it finishing last this year with fewer than four wins.
The deal would probably also involve a fringe Richmond player being traded to the Blues.
In return, Richmond would bypass Judd in the pre-season draft in December where it has the first selection. The Blues would then be able to secure the Eagles premiership captain with the second pick.
That scenario would mean Carlton, in effect, gives up its second national draft selection for Judd and does not have to lose Josh Kennedy or its third selection (No20) to the Eagles.
"This is an absolute realistic proposition," a Carlton source said yesterday.
The benefit for Richmond if it agrees to the proposal is that the Tigers would end up with the second and third selections in the national draft and still retain their first pick of another uncontracted player in the pre-season draft.
While Richmond football director Greg Miller is not yet officially in the loop, the Carlton deal would have appeal as the Tigers are only a remote chance of either trading directly for Judd or getting him in the pre-season draft. The Tigers have not completely closed the door on Judd, but Miller last week told The Australian that he would be too expensive, even though Richmond has room in its salary cap.
Because Carlton has already reserved its priority draft pick for teenage Northern Knights ruckman Matthew Kreuzer, the Tigers, who are pinning their faith on a youth policy, would then have the choice of the next two best kids in the country.
Carlton's firm stance on retaining the No1 pick has created a verbal slanging match with the Eagles, and the war of words continued yesterday.
West Coast chief executive Trevor Nisbett threatened not to deal with the Blues.
"If they don't hand over the No1 selection, then he's not at Carlton, simple as that," Nisbett said. "That's the way it's been all the time.
"Hopefully (chief executive) Greg Swann and (general manager of football operations) Steven Icke can come to their senses, otherwise it is not going to happen. I find it staggering that Carlton doesn't think Chris Judd is worth the first pick in the draft."
The groundwork in attempting a satisfactory trade is being done by Icke and his West Coast counterpart Steve Woodhouse, who were both in Canberra yesterday at the draft camp.
Swann, who was told by club president Richard Pratt on Tuesday to follow the deal through after Judd picked the Blues, yesterday did not deny that Richmond could be involved in the Blues' bid to secure Judd.
"There's a lot of water to go under the bridge before we can say he's our player, but we're confident we can do the deal," Swann said on Tuesday.
Even before Carlton was nominated as Judd's top choice, the Blues took the initiative and offered the Eagles pick No3 and 20-year-old West Australian Kennedy, who has played 22 games in two years since he was the fourth player selected in the 2005 national draft. But it is understood that Kennedy is not keen to return to Perth.
While Carlton's proposal to involve Richmond will be scrutinised by the AFL, it does not break any league rules.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22532875-5012432,00.html
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Carlton have no clue. As if pick 3 is all we would accept to ignore Judd in the psd. Try adding in Pick 20 and Kennedy and then we would consider it.
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and then we stuff the blues in the psd -lmao Pratty :thumbsup :thumbsup
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and then we stuff the blues in the psd -lmao Pratty :thumbsup :thumbsup
LMAO - Sen were saying Tigers wouldn't do that - Damn straight we would.
That would just be sooooooo funny :rollin
Cotchin Morton and Judd - that would teach the tankers.
Doubt they would fall for it, but u never know :pray
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and then we stuff the blues in the psd -lmao Pratty :thumbsup :thumbsup
LMAO - Sen were saying Tigers wouldn't do that - Damn straight we would.
That would just be sooooooo funny :rollin
Cotchin Morton and Judd - that would teach the tankers.
Doubt they would fall for it, but u never know :pray
That would be priceless :thumbsup
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I would like to reiterate that the smart thing to do here is to jump in bed with the Eagles. Forget about Judd in the PSD - its a long long shot.
I'm 95% sure that if it came down to it Carlton would give up pick 1.
Miller and Nisbett should come out and claim that we are close to reaching a decision. Something like picks 2, 18, 19.
Carlton would offer up picks 1, 20 and Kennedy.
West Coast would then (officially or otherwise) reward us for our help with pick 1 for our help in exchange for pick 2.
It means that West Coast upgrade their pick to snare one of Cotchin, Kreuzer.
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we should close the pick 3 for pick 18 + a player today. Its a great deal and gets us both Morton and Cotchin. If I was at Richmond Id close that deal today and sign it in to the AFL first thing on Monday morning.
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the deal sounds good but why should we help the blues get judd when we can have him
why cant we force the blues to give give west coast pick 1 and 3, as a good will gesture , wce then give us pick 1 for 18
so we get pick 1 and 2 and west coast get 3 and the blues get judd
then we get both kruezer and cotchin/ or kruezer and morton/ or cotchin and morton...we will have a choice of whats best for us
but that will never happen
so imo, judd is a gun and we must do whats best for us and get him
we have to play both the wce and blues so by the end of trade week judd is in the psd and we get him and keep pick 2
so our options are
*judd in the psd , and keep our picks
*picks 1 and 2
*picks 2 and 3
whatever happens , rfc must be smart and get what best 4 us, whether judd is in the picture or not
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time will certainly tell if we are puppets or very smart players in this game.
i for one is sick of being the loser when it comes to draft picks and so on, and would love to get something descent out of this draft as the hawks did a few years ago.
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Carlton have no clue. As if pick 3 is all we would accept to ignore Judd in the psd. Try adding in Pick 20 and Kennedy and then we would consider it.
Agree LT. Carlton is trying to get Judd on the cheap by screwing everyone else. This is just a ploy to scare the Eagles into accepting less out of fear of getting nothing if this scheme went through. If the Blues want Judd then pay up bluepaperbaggers. I could live with picks 2, 3, 18, 19 and 20 ;D.
There's also the risk of ruining our good trade reputation in the future to gain pick 3 for 18. Look at Essendon and Collingwood. No one is willing to trade with them anymore so they miss out.
The good thing about all this is the value of our hand has increased again while the Eagles play hardball. Divide and rule :thumbsup.
ps. Nice one Ox :lol.
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we all hate carlton but we have to do whats best for us. what can the eagles offer us?
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Judd ;D
The AFL on SEN saying any trade has to be seen to be reasonable yet as Patrick Smith pointed out the Veale deal was hardly a reasonable trade.
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both selwood and judd had serious injury concerns as juniors so i wouldn't worry that cotchin has had an injury here or there
natural footballers > athletes anyday of the week
BTW deledio junior is a tank by junior standards. He looks so much like brett it is not funny. Replace brett's blond tips with full on brown hair and you have matt
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IMHO the only difference between the Greg Denham scenario and the 1000 other scenarios being discussed is that Denham's is in The Australian and the others are on chat forums - I love the bit that says Miller is not yet in the loop - :lol
I don't believe that anyone doesn't think that Judd is worth pick one - his preferred club has pick one - hand it over. You stole it anyway.
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Richmond will get Masten and not Morton. Mark it down.
You have no credibility, evaluator, remember?
Please go away.
Im actually not so sure this is evaluator. There is a Ryan18 on BF Im pretty sure that is usually pretty normal.
Either way Im not impressed with the picks.
We dont need another Polo at 19. Not because Polo isnt good, just because we dont need another one. Would rather Grimes @ 19 and Cotchin @ 2. Tayte Pears instead of Bellchambers if he slips that far.
etc.
Polo is a great midfielder
He has always been a tough footballer even before the draft to Richmond
l rate him highly he should surprise alot next year with his progress if he dont l personally kick his ass
I agree with you but I dont think we need another one. We need another mid with burst who can kick goals.
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According to posters PRE ... Richmond has officially offered - maybe last night, maybe this morning...
Pick 2. Pick 18 and a Player to West Coast Eagles for Chris Judd.
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we dont need that many more mids
we have still a few at coburg, cass and connors etc, still have collins so on and so on
we will also pick up mitch morton who will be a goal kicking mid, so add them all to the mids we have, lids, bling, foley, polo, tuck, thats already 9 or so mids
then, say if cogs comes good, we have cogs and say if krak stays on and gets fitter
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maybe newman will join the mids at some stage as kingy
we have plenty of mids so thats why we must pick cale morton over cotchin
cotchin apparantly is 82 kgs, well i dont belive it, and even if he is, he looks just as small blingers etc
cotchin will take no more or no less time to develop than cale morton
i say cale is the kid for tigerland
imagine also geting matt deledio
the mortons and deledios maybe be a better bro combo than the burgoynes and cornes
sounds good to me
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According to posters PRE ... Richmond has officially offered - maybe last night, maybe this morning...
Pick 2. Pick 18 and a Player to West Coast Eagles for Chris Judd.
some journo said to kb that the tigers should offer 2,18 and a player to wce and seal the deal, but then waldron said that the tigers dont have to, they can just get nothing for judd in the psd
who the f knows
either way i want judd in our team so who cares
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we dont need that many more mids
we have still a few at coburg, cass and connors etc, still have collins so on and so on
we will also pick up mitch morton who will be a goal kicking mid, so add them all to the mids we have, lids, bling, foley, polo, tuck, thats already 9 or so mids
then, say if cogs comes good, we have cogs and say if krak stays on and gets fitter
and
maybe newman will join the mids at some stage as kingy
i agree but to all of u out there, forget about krak.
he is one of the biggest dissapointments on our list.
Best he goes back to perth and sorts his life out
get rid of him
we have plenty of mids so thats why we must pick cale morton over cotchin
cotchin apparantly is 82 kgs, well i dont belive it, and even if he is, he looks just as small blingers etc
cotchin will take no more or no less time to develop than cale morton
i say cale is the kid for tigerland
imagine also geting matt deledio
the mortons and deledios maybe be a better bro combo than the burgoynes and cornes
sounds good to me
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Carlton CEO Swann was on KB's show.
He reiterated Carlton wouldn't be giving up pick 1 and no one can top pick 3. KB then said what about Richmond offering pick 2. Swann said Judd doesn't want to go to Richmond so it's a mute point. KB later said who cares whether he wants to come lol.
Waldron said Judd has said he won't walk into the PSD as he wants adequate compensation for the Eagles. Swann basically replied that's not necessarily the case and that Judd has given the Eagles 6 years of quality service. When KB quoted Nisbett saying it's pick 1 or no deal, Swann said the Eagles admin would be hung if they let Judd go into the PSD and got nothing in return for him.
KB asked Swann about the pick 3 for Judd trade with us in the Australian. Swann pretended to play dumb (we have to consider all plan B's) but said it's a good deal and they would in a blink let go pick 3 for Judd.
Waldron said Richmond is in the prime position. All we need to do is say to the Eagles we'll give pick you pick 2 and you let Judd go through to the PSD. Then it's up to Carlton whether they cough up their pick 1.
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Carlton CEO Swann was on KB's show.
He reiterated Carlton wouldn't be giving up pick 1 and no one can top pick 3. KB then said what about Richmond offering pick 2. Swann said Judd doesn't want to go to Richmond so it's a mute point. KB later said who cares whether he wants to come lol.
Waldron said Judd has said he won't walk into the PSD as he wants adequate compensation for the Eagles. Swann basically replied that's not necessarily the case and that Judd has given the Eagles 6 years of quality service. When KB quoted Nisbett saying it's pick 1 or no deal, Swann said the Eagles admin would be hung if they let Judd go into the PSD and got nothing in return for him.
show some balls miller and do it.
offer 2 to the eagles. stuff the blues
KB asked Swann about the pick 3 for Judd trade with us in the Australian. Swann pretended to play dumb (we have to consider all plan B's) but said it's a good deal and they would in a blink let go pick 3 for Judd.
Waldron said Richmond is in the prime position. All we need to do is say to the Eagles we'll give pick you pick 2 and you let Judd go through to the PSD. Then it's up to Carlton whether they cough up their pick 1.
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Got some real cocky smart@rse Tank supporters been giving me heaps.
Please Tiges, some how or some way I want the last laugh.
Pick 1 and Judd without finishing last and cheating is just not on.
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All we need to do is say to the Eagles we'll give pick you pick 2 and you let Judd go through to the PSD. Then it's up to Carlton whether they cough up their pick 1.
:clapping excellent idea
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All we need to do is say to the Eagles we'll give pick you pick 2 and you let Judd go through to the PSD. Then it's up to Carlton whether they cough up their pick 1.
:clapping excellent idea
Tad confused here. Why would it be "we'll give you pick 2 and you let Judd go through to the PSD. Shouldnt it be we give you pick two, go tell Carlton and if they dont give you pick1 WE WANT HIM NOW. Just because he slips to the PSD doesnt mean we own him does it, he can still reject? :-\
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All we need to do is say to the Eagles we'll give pick you pick 2 and you let Judd go through to the PSD. Then it's up to Carlton whether they cough up their pick 1.
:clapping excellent idea
Tad confused here. Why would it be "we'll give you pick 2 and you let Judd go through to the PSD. Shouldnt it be we give you pick two, go tell Carlton and if they dont give you pick1 WE WANT HIM NOW. Just because he slips to the PSD doesnt mean we own him does it, he can still reject? :-\
thats what imn talking about.
who cares about pick 1 and 2 and whatever else.
screw the blues over by offering eagles pick 2. Let them sweat it out over this elusive kruizer.
ooh my god how much pressure has this kid got on him
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here we go fellas....the latest: http://sportal.com.au/default.aspx/afl-news-display/blues,-tigers-may-deal-for-judd-36783
Do it Richmond
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news just in
we dont trust the blues
west coast is the team we will assist
Pick 1 to the coasters or Judd guaranteed to be a tiger ;)
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All we need to do is say to the Eagles we'll give pick you pick 2 and you let Judd go through to the PSD. Then it's up to Carlton whether they cough up their pick 1.
:clapping excellent idea
Tad confused here. Why would it be "we'll give you pick 2 and you let Judd go through to the PSD. Shouldnt it be we give you pick two, go tell Carlton and if they dont give you pick1 WE WANT HIM NOW. Just because he slips to the PSD doesnt mean we own him does it, he can still reject? :-\
During trade week a player has the right to refuse to be traded but in the PSD he can't. All he can do is put a price on his own head and the first club that is willing to pay it is where he goes.
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We don't need to make an official offer yet. Just hint to the Eagles that we are very interested as Miller has already done. All we need to do at this stage is to know what the Eagles are thinking and if they start to waver from wanting pick 1 we then wave the pick 2 carrot in front of them.
news just in
we dont trust the blues
west coast is the team we will assist
Pick 1 to the coasters or Judd guaranteed to be a tiger ;)
What Carlton would really hate now is Judd saying he wouldn't really care if he ends up at Richmond. It would force the Blues to cough up pick 1 otherwise no deal.
Idiotic Carlton fans tonight are gloating already on the radio about where Judd will be playing in their side. He's not signed and sealed yet bluebaggers :whistle.
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We don't need to make an official offer yet. Just hint to the Eagles that we are very interested as Miller has already done. All we need to do at this stage is to know what the Eagles are thinking and if they start to waver from wanting pick 1 we then wave the pick 2 carrot in front of them.
news just in
we dont trust the blues
west coast is the team we will assist
Pick 1 to the coasters or Judd guaranteed to be a tiger ;)
What Carlton would really hate now is Judd saying he wouldn't really care if he ends up at Richmond. It would force the Blues to cough up pick 1 otherwise no deal.
Idiotic Carlton fans tonight are gloating already on the radio about where Judd will be playing in their side. He's not signed and sealed yet bluebaggers :whistle.
wouldnt surprise at all, isnt the eagles B&f tonight.
i think we have played the game well so far, will we see a meeting between the management of judd and RFC early next week...perhaps just perhaps.
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stuff that.
Drug culture>Tanking culture. Lets deal with West Coast. :rollin
Would make we sick to see us "gang up" with those filthy Blues.
HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE.
I think I make my point.
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All we need to do is say to the Eagles we'll give pick you pick 2 and you let Judd go through to the PSD. Then it's up to Carlton whether they cough up their pick 1.
:clapping excellent idea
Tad confused here. Why would it be "we'll give you pick 2 and you let Judd go through to the PSD. Shouldnt it be we give you pick two, go tell Carlton and if they dont give you pick1 WE WANT HIM NOW. Just because he slips to the PSD doesnt mean we own him does it, he can still reject? :-\
During trade week a player has the right to refuse to be traded but in the PSD he can't. All he can do is put a price on his own head and the first club that is willing to pay it is where he goes.
Awesome MT. Rock and roll. We should move Heaven and earth to isolate the Blues instead of this alliance crap and go to the eagles for every way to get Judd to us. :clapping
GO TIGES!
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We don't need to make an official offer yet. Just hint to the Eagles that we are very interested as Miller has already done. All we need to do at this stage is to know what the Eagles are thinking and if they start to waver from wanting pick 1 we then wave the pick 2 carrot in front of them.
news just in
we dont trust the blues
west coast is the team we will assist
Pick 1 to the coasters or Judd guaranteed to be a tiger ;)
What Carlton would really hate now is Judd saying he wouldn't really care if he ends up at Richmond. It would force the Blues to cough up pick 1 otherwise no deal.
Idiotic Carlton fans tonight are gloating already on the radio about where Judd will be playing in their side. He's not signed and sealed yet bluebaggers :whistle.
wouldnt surprise at all, isnt the eagles B&f tonight.
i think we have played the game well so far, will we see a meeting between the management of judd and RFC early next week...perhaps just perhaps.
All clubs meet with each other on Monday on the first trade morning. They'll need something to talk about ;).
Yep the Eagles B&F is on now.
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All we need to do is say to the Eagles we'll give pick you pick 2 and you let Judd go through to the PSD. Then it's up to Carlton whether they cough up their pick 1.
:clapping excellent idea
Tad confused here. Why would it be "we'll give you pick 2 and you let Judd go through to the PSD. Shouldnt it be we give you pick two, go tell Carlton and if they dont give you pick1 WE WANT HIM NOW. Just because he slips to the PSD doesnt mean we own him does it, he can still reject? :-\
During trade week a player has the right to refuse to be traded but in the PSD he can't. All he can do is put a price on his own head and the first club that is willing to pay it is where he goes.
Awesome MT. Rock and roll. We should move Heaven and earth to isolate the Blues instead of this alliance crap and go to the eagles for every way to get Judd to us. :clapping
GO TIGES!
Yep Divide and Rule :thumbsup
Billy on SEN says we're trading picks 2 and 18 for Judd so it must be true :wallywink
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news just in
we dont trust the blues
west coast is the team we will assist
Pick 1 to the coasters or Judd guaranteed to be a tiger ;)
I agree.
Swan is trying to position the PR onto the foolishness of West Coast to even consider letting Judd go for nothing in the PSD. West Coast have to wear this potential ground swell of criticism that this Swan article is attempting to generate from the masses if they want to get what they want. We have to promote and make it OK for the West Coast to go down this line if we have any chance of getting Judd.
Here is a big point :- Pratt has told Swan to "Get it over the line" or some such statement.
I just hope Miller doesn't stuff this up. It's going to get pretty intense.
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Carltons big Hotels deal where they were gonna get profits from heaps of hotels has died in the arse. Werent they gonna make millions from that venture?
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Carltons big Hotels deal where they were gonna get profits from heaps of hotels has died in the behind. Werent they gonna make millions from that venture?
Ramps I think (not 100%) that program died with the last board before Pratt.
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Carltons big Hotels deal where they were gonna get profits from heaps of hotels has died in the behind. Werent they gonna make millions from that venture?
Weren't they at one stage (pre-Pratt) going to turn Princes Park into some disneyland thing that would've cost something like $27 million to build when they were already $11 million in the red?
They are also receiving special charity (formerly CBF) payments from the AFL for being a finanical basket case over recent years yet they are allowed to chase a Judd ::).
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wouldnt surprise at all, isnt the eagles B&f tonight.
Judd didn't finish in the top 6 of the Eagles B&F tonight. Our offer has thus fallen to pick 19 ;D.
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Tuesday deadline on Judd
Digby Beacham | October 6, 2007 | The West Australian/Age
WEST COAST has until Tuesday to send premiership captain Chris Judd to Carlton on the terms demanded by the Blues or face the prospect of getting nothing in return for the departing 2004 Brownlow medallist.
Judd and his management are believed to be desperate for the Eagles and Carlton to strike a suitable trade within 36 hours of the trade period starting on Monday morning.
The 24-year-old is eager to avoid a drawn-out saga.
Judd's manager Paul Connors has an excellent record of getting departing players to their requested club and is monitoring negotiations. It is believed he will strongly advise West Coast not to delay any dealings that would jeopardise Judd going to Carlton.
West Coast has demanded adequate compensation for losing Judd and emphasised that it wants the Blues' prized No. 1 and No. 3 picks at next month's national draft.
But the Eagles are not in a position to stand firm and face the prospect of losing the league's premier midfielder for nothing in the pre-season draft.
The Blues have sufficient room in the salary cap to accommodate Judd on a seven-figure salary a season for two years.
Such a price tag would rule out any hope of Richmond jumping in front of Carlton and acquiring him with its first selection in the pre-season draft.
Carlton has pick No. 2 in that draft, but would prefer to provide Judd with a five-year, $6 million deal, allowing it suitable flexibility in the salary cap for future drafts and player retentions.
It was thought initially that Carlton would be willing to provide selections three and 20, along with strapping young key forward Josh Kennedy, taken at No. 4 in the 2005 national draft.
That since has been whittled down to three and Kennedy, who has played 22 games in two seasons with the Blues after being recruited from East Fremantle. That appears the most likely finish at the trade table.
Carlton football operations manager Steven Icke and Eagles recruiting manager Trevor Woodhouse had talks about Judd during the week. Woodhouse and his brother, football operations manager Steve, will represent the Eagles in trade dealings on Monday.
http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/tuesday-deadline-on-judd/2007/10/05/1191091368158.html
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Don't help Blues: Bartlett
Steve Butler | October 6, 2007 | The Age
RICHMOND legend Kevin Bartlett has urged his old club to ignore any trade deal to help arch-enemy Carlton get Chris Judd and do whatever it can to lure the former West Coast captain to Tigerland.
Bartlett said the club should use its second pick in the national draft if the Eagles and the Blues could not break a negotiation deadlock on who should own the first selection.
The five-time club champion said the club should not consider helping such a bitter rival win the services of the game's best player if it had its own chance of securing him.
"I don't think the Tigers should be getting into bed helping Carlton get Chris Judd — they should be getting him themselves," Bartlett said.
"If Richmond's got the financial backing and the room in their salary cap and they've got the second draft pick, I think it should be all guns blazing. He'd mean a lot to the Tigers — he'd be great for promotion, he'd be good for marketing, he'd be great for membership. He brings a lot of things to the table."
Richmond football director Greg Miller said this week that the club had not chased a trade deal involving getting Judd to Punt Road Oval. But if the 2004 Brownlow medallist got through to the pre-season draft, the Tigers had room in the salary cap and the financial backing to be able to take him with their first pick.
The Age understands West Coast remains open to a trade deal with Richmond if Carlton refuses to part with its No. 1 pick in the national draft.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/dont-help-blues-bartlett/2007/10/05/1191091368179.html
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Don't help Blues: Bartlett
Steve Butler | October 6, 2007 | The Age
RICHMOND legend Kevin Bartlett has urged his old club to ignore any trade deal to help arch-enemy Carlton get Chris Judd and do whatever it can to lure the former West Coast captain to Tigerland.
Bartlett said the club should use its second pick in the national draft if the Eagles and the Blues could not break a negotiation deadlock on who should own the first selection.
The five-time club champion said the club should not consider helping such a bitter rival win the services of the game's best player if it had its own chance of securing him.
"I don't think the Tigers should be getting into bed helping Carlton get Chris Judd — they should be getting him themselves," Bartlett said.
"If Richmond's got the financial backing and the room in their salary cap and they've got the second draft pick, I think it should be all guns blazing. He'd mean a lot to the Tigers — he'd be great for promotion, he'd be good for marketing, he'd be great for membership. He brings a lot of things to the table."
Richmond football director Greg Miller said this week that the club had not chased a trade deal involving getting Judd to Punt Road Oval. But if the 2004 Brownlow medallist got through to the pre-season draft, the Tigers had room in the salary cap and the financial backing to be able to take him with their first pick.
The Age understands West Coast remains open to a trade deal with Richmond if Carlton refuses to part with its No. 1 pick in the national draft.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/dont-help-blues-bartlett/2007/10/05/1191091368179.html
Right on queue KB. :thumbsup :rollin
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Digby Beacham must be on the Carlton pay roll i think.
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Carltons big Hotels deal where they were gonna get profits from heaps of hotels has died in the behind. Werent they gonna make millions from that venture?
Blues' $500m pokie deal collapses
Cameron Houston | October 6, 2007
A $500 million deal by Carlton Football Club to purchase a swag of Victoria's most profitable poker machine venues has collapsed and could jeopardise the financial recovery of the debt-ridden club.
The failed acquisition also raises questions about Carlton's ability to finalise one of the biggest on-field deals in AFL history — the recruitment of star player Chris Judd.
The former West Coast champion is believed to have been impressed by Carlton's off-field revival and is expected to command a salary of more than $1 million a season, if the club can successfully negotiate with the Eagles next week.
But Judd is believed to have been unaware the multimillion-dollar deal had soured when he chose the Blues as his preferred club this week.
Mr Swann said the failed venture would not damage the chances of signing Judd.
Full article at: http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/blues-500m-pokie-deal-collapses/2007/10/05/1191091368152.html
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Divine Interventions Froars :thumbsup :bow
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I guess I'm a lot more like KB than i thought....
That's the sort of stuff I wanna hear.
Screw Carlton man,ffs!
We used to bandy the word,"ruthless" around,back in the GR days...
Let's fu ckehn get this done boys.
LMAO@ Pratts attempt at outsourcing pokies not getting the nod.
Guess a lot of people hate ya mate. :rollin
KB is on the bugs bunny.
As i said,what have any of these SOBs evr done for us?
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Divine Interventions Froars :thumbsup :bow
It's happening ;) :rollin
Well done lads :thumbsup
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i wonder if judd and conners knew about this hotel fiasco? how are they gonna pay for judd? sure PRATT... but if i was judd id just make sure that in the contract, pratt signs up as a guarantor for Carlton.
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Can I just run this theory by you blokes, I dont think it has been mentioned before on how to get a good deal.
I dont know why I thought of it but why dont Richmond and WCE reach a deal and forget about Judd.
WCE take 3, 20 and Kennedy.
And since the WCE seem so keen on Cotchin how about a little shenanigan like this. . . .
WCE give up Mitch Morton on the very cheap and we in-turn agree to pick Cale Morton at 2 so WCE get Cotchin @ 3.
Its a winner since it seems we will pick Cale at 2 anyway, but we get Mitch for free as well. :shh
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Can I just run this theory by you blokes, I dont think it has been mentioned before on how to get a good deal.
I dont know why I thought of it but why dont Richmond and WCE reach a deal and forget about Judd.
WCE take 3, 20 and Kennedy.
And since the WCE seem so keen on Cotchin how about a little shenanigan like this. . . .
WCE give up Mitch Morton on the very cheap and we in-turn agree to pick Cale Morton at 2 so WCE get Cotchin @ 3.
Its a winner since it seems we will pick Cale at 2 anyway, but we get Mitch for free as well. :shh
its a good theory and i have already suggested this. and yesterday it was rumored on monday the first trade that will happen is mitch morton for a 3rd or 4th rnd pick.
mitch has already stated on perth radio that he wants to come to richmond to play with his bro , so i fig that we have already told cale we will get him with pick 2
judd imo will only be ours if he falls to the psd
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Can I just run this theory by you blokes, I dont think it has been mentioned before on how to get a good deal.
I dont know why I thought of it but why dont Richmond and WCE reach a deal and forget about Judd.
WCE take 3, 20 and Kennedy.
And since the WCE seem so keen on Cotchin how about a little shenanigan like this. . . .
WCE give up Mitch Morton on the very cheap and we in-turn agree to pick Cale Morton at 2 so WCE get Cotchin @ 3.
Its a winner since it seems we will pick Cale at 2 anyway, but we get Mitch for free as well. :shh
its a good theory and i have already suggested this. and yesterday it was rumored on monday the first trade that will happen is mitch morton for a 3rd or 4th rnd pick.
mitch has already stated on perth radio that he wants to come to richmond to play with his bro , so i fig that we have already told cale we will get him with pick 2
judd imo will only be ours if he falls to the psd
Interesting, but if we trade for Mitch on Monday we have shown our cards already.
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i heard whipsers that the wce are willing to trade judd to rfc for 2 players and not any draft picks. wont mention the players offered but my source tells me that wce would do this and shove it up carlscum if they dont offer pick 1
so we may get judd for nothing or judd for 2 players :shh
lets hope carlscum keep f up
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wanna tell us who they want ... or atleast pm us lol.
only Foley and Deledio...
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Divine Interventions Froars :thumbsup :bow
It's happening ;) :rollin
Well done lads :thumbsup
In a small way this can be payback to those cheasting bastards for 1982 Grand Final should Judd come to Punt Rd. :clapping
Let the bastards suffer.
They haven't even got their house in order . :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Now lets finish the payback by ensuring these feral beasts stay at the foot of the table forever and a day. :cheers
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Just something more for Pratt to worry about:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22539478-601,00.html
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:chuck
Blues cash in on arrival of Judd
By Chip Le Grand, The Australian, October 06, 2007
WHATEVER you read over the next seven days, know this: Chris Judd will be at Carlton next year. The deal with West Coast is not done but nor will it be undone by any trade-week nonsense.
West Coast knows this to be true and so do the Blues. And so does the most sought-after player in Australian football.
Carlton chief executive Greg Swann puts a conservative value of $1 million on that photo-opportunity alone. Just imagine what will happen when Judd starts playing. Or when Carlton actually starts winning games.
Rob Mills, the chief executive of Gemba, a sports, media and entertainment consultancy, has studied the Carlton brand and describes it as the "most underperforming franchise in the AFL".
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"Now we have snared the best player in Australia," Swann said.
Not quite yet, West Coast would point out. But soon enough.
Full article at: http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,22539099-23211,00.html
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Get off your arse Miller and get Judd to Punt Road.
Imagine first game of the season on Good Friday, Richmond vs Carlton and Judd runs out in the yellow and black.
All those Carlton choko's will be bleeding :thumbsup
Come on Miller, you can do it :thumbsup
:gotigers
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If Carlton have removed pick 20 from their original offer and are now offering only pick 3 + Kennedy (which is a joke) then hopefully that's a sign a deal b/w the Eagles and Carlton is even further away than ever before. Judd's manager making his own demands sounds like a display of desperation. Like the Eagles will cave into that pathetic offer 3 days out from the deadline.
For us to get Judd in the PSD we need a split to develop between the Eagles and Judd's manager and Carlton. Along the lines that the Eagles say well if you don't help us get what we want (decent compenation) then your client doesn't get what he wants (his preferred club Carlton). Well we can dream :pray until a deal is done.
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It's gonna be interesting to see what happens ....
What are we up to is what I want to know :rollin :rollin
BTW I think it is fair to say KB is back at the Club and embracing it... lov ya work Kev :rollin
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ive been proud of the effort, from the wackers on bigfooty who started the rumours ... theyve made carlton supporters get paranoia, to KB firing up and revving up the richmond scenario, to richmonds admin who are keeping there mouths shut and letting people lose there nerve coz no one knows what theyre planning.
its been great stuff.
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ah the A.C.C.C will get him, he aint squeaky clean Mr Pratt, im sure the CFC would be run exactly the same.
Elliott and Pratt two peas in a pod.
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Eye of the Tigers on Blues-Eagles' Judd deal
Martin Boulton | October 7, 2007
RICHMOND officials won't be holding their breath when trade week starts tomorrow, but they will be closely monitoring negotiations between Carlton and West Coast over Chris Judd.
Richmond football director Greg Miller said the Tigers expected Carlton to seal the Judd deal, but would remain "an interested bystander" as talks unfold.
"We're interested for a number of reasons, we're interested in who has No. 1 (in the national draft) and what that means for our No. 2 pick."
The Tigers also have the No. 1 pick in the pre-season draft and could snare the Brownlow medallist, widely regarded as the best midfielder in the competition, in the unlikely event that the Blues failed to strike a deal.
"If no deal is done (between Carlton and West Coast), we'd have to see what price is on his head and whether we could afford it," Miller said.
"(But) we haven't been contacted by Carlton and we don't expect to play a major role in this."
After nominating Carlton as his preferred club next season, former Eagles captain Judd hopes a deal can be done within 36 hours of the trade period starting.
West Coast has said it wants Carlton's prized No. 1 and No. 3 picks in the national draft as part of the Judd deal.
But the Blues have ruled out giving up pick one, and have instead offered pick three and 22-year-old tall forward Josh Kennedy — the No. 4 pick in the 2005 national draft.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/eye-of-the-tigers-on-judd-deal/2007/10/06/1191091429448.html
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Eagles weaken on Blues' No.1 pick
Sunday Herald Sun | Scot Palmer and Kim Hagdorn | October 07, 2007 12:00am
CHRIS Judd was lobbying for his release at West Coast's best and fairest award on Friday night as the Eagles showed the first signs of flinching in a standoff with Carlton.
Eagles chief executive Trevor Nisbett hinted yesterday for the first time that his club might drop demands for Carlton's cherished first pick in next month's national draft.
Carlton, where Judd wants to play, could engage Richmond to assist in the former Eagles captain's passage to the Blues.
The Blues could deal in draft swaps with the Tigers and, in return, Richmond would not take Judd with its first pick in the December draft for uncontracted players.
If that happens, the Eagles will get nothing for Judd.
"Naturally, we want the first pick," Nisbett said.
"We think Chris Judd is the best player in Australia and we think it is only fair to get fair full compensation for losing him."
But Nisbett admitted the Eagles were aware of looming prospects that Carlton and the Tigers could deal to lockout West Coast.
"We understand Richmond and Carlton might put their heads together and they might construct a deal," he said.
"I hope that doesn't happen because we don't think that is in the spirit of the draft."
Nisbett also revealed that West Coast would be willing to deal direct with Richmond in a deal for Judd that would suit the Eagles and Tigers.
"We know Richmond are keen to deal with us," he said.
"We'll talk to them on Monday and see what prospects there are there.
"I know Chris doesn't want to go to Richmond, so we'll try and do a deal with Carlton.
"Carlton might come back with something other than pick three that satisfies us."
Carlton could be satisfied in trading its third pick and promising WA key position player Josh Kennedy, who started with East Fremantle.
"It doesn't matter, it could be a combination of picks and players," Nisbett said.
"We are interested in Josh. He's the poor player that has been bandied around and he signed a new contract earlier this year and he may not necessarily want to come home.
"He is a West Australian boy and a good young player."
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22544580-11088,00.html
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Two conflicting articles. One says the Eagles are thinking of caving out of fear of Carlton and us shafting them via the PSD and in the other Miller says he hasn't been contacted by Carlton and we aren't expecting to play a role in any deal.
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2 points
1/ if we help the bues to get judd, milelr should f the right off! no way should we do anything to help the blues. the only way i would help carlton get judd is of the blues give us pick 1 and 3 so we would have 1,2,3 in the draft! why the f should we help those scum
2/ if its true that judd definately does not want us, f him too, if this is the case then we should screw any deals to put pressure on the blues to give us what we want!
on a side note, maybe just pick 3 from carlton may also just be ok, then we get both morton and cotchin, that would keep mt and myself happy ;D
but as mt said, the articles dont make sense, and if its true that judd has said he does not want us, why have the eagles said and admitted they have spoken to us and are happy to trade with us and without us giving us picks. my source also told me that this is the case , i posted it yesterday and this articles proves that miller wont give up pick 2 so my source may be on the money.
Nisbett also revealed that West Coast would be willing to deal direct with Richmond in a deal for Judd that would suit the Eagles and Tigers.
"We know Richmond are keen to deal with us," he said.
"We'll talk to them on Monday and see what prospects there are there.
im sure and certain we wont trade pick 2 cos miller has said all along we wont and in this article he maintains this stance
Richmond football director Greg Miller said the Tigers expected Carlton to seal the Judd deal, but would remain "an interested bystander" as talks unfold.
"We're interested for a number of reasons, we're interested in who has No. 1 (in the national draft) and what that means for our No. 2 pick."
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I just dont understand why GM hasnt put any pressure on the Blues at all.
Is he stupid or what. Just come out and say to the Eagles ill give you guys pick 2, cogs and whoever else.
Not that he means it but this will force the blues hand into relinquishing that pick 1.
As i can see now, the eagles will take 3, 20 and kennedy and we play another small roll in the revival of those money hungry, premiership buying **** get up off ur behind miller and do something
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I just dont understand why GM hasnt put any pressure on the Blues at all.
Is he fckin stupid or what. Just come out and say to the Eagles ill give you guys pick 2, cogs and whoever else.
Not that he means it but this will force the blues hand into relinquishing that pick 1.
As i can see now, the eagles will take 3, 20 and kennedy and we play another small roll in the revival of those money hungry, premiership buying c-untsget up off ur behind miller and do something
With all due respect, how would you know what he has done!?
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I just dont understand why GM hasnt put any pressure on the Blues at all.
Is he stupid or what. Just come out and say to the Eagles ill give you guys pick 2, cogs and whoever else.
Not that he means it but this will force the blues hand into relinquishing that pick 1.
As i can see now, the eagles will take 3, 20 and kennedy and we play another small roll in the revival of those money hungry, premiership buying **** get up off ur behind miller and do something
With all due respect, how would you know what he has done!?
How very polite.
8)
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look its just sour grapes on my behalf cause of the whole buddy vrs tambling pick.
that was miller'c recruiting that closed that deal wasnt it.
if im wrong i stand corrected
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i wonder what GM would say after reading Daniels post lol ;D
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One and half pages of crap. Drop it already please
Lets get back to the point. Can we get Judd and if so how? :gotigers
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One and half pages of crap. Drop it already please
Lets get back to the point. Can we get Judd and if so how? :gotigers
i think its obvious we wont be going for him as we may get him in the PSD.
it hurts me to say but i say the eagles will deal with the blues and take their 3,20 and kennedy
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if its TRUE that Judd does not want to play with us at all, i say F him off with a Capital F
but this does not mean we cant use the situation to our advantage , so we have to somehow get pick 3 off the Blues.
If say Judd does not mind being with us, we have to do what ever we can to get him.
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I think the only deal we could make with the eagles is something like swapping our 2 pick and say pick 18 for pick 3 and 13. In a draft where the quality falls away quick smart id probably seriously consider it coz 13 may get us a half decent player but 18 may not.
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One and half pages of crap. Drop it already please
Lets get back to the point. Can we get Judd and if so how? :gotigers
Thanks Fluffy and well said.
All the crap ::) has been removed. Back to the topic!
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Carlton fans are so cocky over this and believe Judd will be a Blue within 24 hours. They reckon they'll get Judd for just pick 3 + Kennedy because Kennedy was an early first rounder (pick 4, 2005) so they're giving the Eagles two top 5 picks. They are also claiming the sticking point is the Eagles want more (surprise surprise) and adding pick 20 will get the deal done but Carlton wants something in return for it (a young Vic Eagle).
http://www.talkingcarlton.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=26
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One thing that will satisfy me no end is to watch Carlscum fall flat on their face and fail in their quest on Judd. Their cockiness is questionable and if we can thwart Judd from wearing the navy blue next year lets do it.
Richmond 1 lets put Richmond their interests their people their team their fans first.
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Eagles r a joke seriously if they accept this deal with this kennedy.
a top 5 pick he may be but he looks out of his depth by AFL standards and accept him as part of this deal will come back and bite them on the arse.
You know what makes this whole thing worse, is that if this goes thru in the blues favour we have to hear about it on SEN for the next 6 months till the start of next season.
I may have to consider a change in radio stations i cant handle these blues tossers calling in and boasting about their list
cheating f-cucks
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Deal is now done according to posters on Big Fruity. To be quite honest I hope it is so the rest of the competition can get on with trade week.
Pick 2 will be C Morton, Pick 19 or 35 will be M Morton?
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Deal is now done according to posters on Big Fruity. To be quite honest I hope it is so the rest of the competition can get on with trade week.
I think a deal is close to being done buit it seems this BF poster has changed his story in just 3 days when he also said "lock it in!".
Pick 2 will be C Morton, Pick 19 or 35 will be M Morton?
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Deal is now done according to posters on Big Fruity. To be quite honest I hope it is so the rest of the competition can get on with trade week.
I think a deal is close to being done buit it seems this BF poster has changed his story in just 3 days when he also said "lock it in!".
Pick 2 will be C Morton, Pick 19 or 35 will be M Morton?
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35 for Morton is JUST ok - JUST!
19 is a mistake for just Morton on his own.
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Deal is now done according to posters on Big Fruity. To be quite honest I hope it is so the rest of the competition can get on with trade week.
I think a deal is close to being done buit it seems this BF poster has changed his story in just 3 days when he also said "lock it in!".
Pick 2 will be C Morton, Pick 19 or 35 will be M Morton?
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35 for Morton is JUST ok - JUST!
19 is a mistake for just Morton on his own.
19 for Morton then Miller can just about start packing his bags. no way
can someone tell me which website this was found in...
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I think pick 35 will be fine but I think you people might be under rating M Morton. He can play, as a junior he was awarded the Ron Barassi medal for the best player in the under 17 tour of Ireland. Touted as a top 5 pick in 2005. Just hasn't been able to break into the West Coast's super midfield. He had a groin and shoulder injury last year which held up his progress. He is a pure mid, not HFF. I would be happy to use pick 35 on him!
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no deal has been done, wait until at least wednesday.
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2 points
1/ if we help the bues to get judd, milelr should f the right off! no way should we do anything to help the blues. the only way i would help carlton get judd is of the blues give us pick 1 and 3 so we would have 1,2,3 in the draft! why the f should we help those scum
Agree but if the Eagles cave in to picks 3, 20 + Kennedy then there's nothing we can do without screwing the Eagles and going to Carlton and offer say Krak + Harts for pick 3 and let Carlton get Judd in the PSD.
2/ if its true that judd definately does not want us, f him too, if this is the case then we should screw any deals to put pressure on the blues to give us what we want!
Gehrig and Stevens probably didn't want to initally end up where they did when both wanted to go to the Pies but they ended up great servants for their respective new club. Judd said he wanted to move back to Melbourne and closer to his family. The RFC is in Melbourne.
on a side note, maybe just pick 3 from carlton may also just be ok, then we get both morton and cotchin, that would keep mt and myself happy ;D
I'll be in that X ;D :thumbsup
but as mt said, the articles dont make sense, and if its true that judd has said he does not want us, why have the eagles said and admitted they have spoken to us and are happy to trade with us and without us giving us picks. my source also told me that this is the case , i posted it yesterday and this articles proves that miller wont give up pick 2 so my source may be on the money.
Nisbett also revealed that West Coast would be willing to deal direct with Richmond in a deal for Judd that would suit the Eagles and Tigers.
"We know Richmond are keen to deal with us," he said.
"We'll talk to them on Monday and see what prospects there are there.
im sure and certain we wont trade pick 2 cos miller has said all along we wont and in this article he maintains this stance
Richmond football director Greg Miller said the Tigers expected Carlton to seal the Judd deal, but would remain "an interested bystander" as talks unfold.
"We're interested for a number of reasons, we're interested in who has No. 1 (in the national draft) and what that means for our No. 2 pick."
If the Eagles are publicly saying they will meet Miller tomorrow then a deal hasn't been done with Carlton either. The ball is in the Eagles court now. If they have wavered away from demanding pick 1 then our position is significantly weaker. We would need to offer up pick 2 + something to make the Carlton offer not the best one out there.
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I think pick 35 will be fine but I think you people might be under rating M Morton. He can play, as a junior he was awarded the Ron Barassi medal for the best player in the under 17 tour of Ireland. Touted as a top 5 pick in 2005. Just hasn't been able to break into the West Coast's super midfield. He had a groin and shoulder injury last year which held up his progress. He is a pure mid, not HFF. I would be happy to use pick 35 on him!
With Judd heading back to Victoria there will be a spot in the Eagles midfield for Mitch Morton if he's good enough. In the final against Collingwood with no Judd, Kerr or Cousins he still couldn't get into their side.
I'm not a fan of the "just can't break into the side b/c of their superstars" excuse. It was the same one used for Shane Morrison :P. Another way of saying inferior fringe player IMV.
As Ramps said pick 35 is just okay - JUST ... and that's because this draft is weak. If we use pick 19 then we are only repeating the same mistakes of the past and the whole recruiting staff should get their marching orders.
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no deal has been done, wait until at least wednesday.
Let's hope so rogerd3 and the latest speculation of that Carlton-favoured deal being annouced on Tuesday is garbage.
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SEN news (11pm) is still saying the Eagles are after picks 1 & 3 while Carlton is willing to offer up Kennedy. They restart their negogiations tomorrow.
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Judd AFL deal talks set to formally open
October 7, 2007 - 9:57PM | The Age
Carlton and West Coast formally start work on Monday on the much-anticipated Chris Judd deal when the AFL's trade week opens.
The former Eagles captain and 2004 Brownlow Medallist is the No.1 story of this trade period, which ends on Friday at 2pm.
Soon after West Coast narrowly lost their semi-final last month to Collingwood, Judd compounded the misery when he told them he wanted to return to his home state for personal reasons.
That sparked a torrent of speculation and intense interest from clubs, with the Blues winning the contest to be Judd's preferred new home.
But now they must strike a deal with the Eagles.
West Coast want Carlton's No.1 and No.3 picks in the draft, but the Blues say the top pick is not on the table.
While there is speculation young Carlton player Josh Kennedy might also be part of the deal, this is yet to be confirmed.
Richmond could also become involved if Carlton's negotiations with the Eagles break down.
The Tigers might try to manufacture a deal with Carlton that locks out West Coast and sends Judd to the Blues in the pre-season draft.
"We'll know a lot more tomorrow, won't we? We'll see what happens ... it hasn't really changed," said Blues chief executive Greg Swann.
"You'd obviously like to get it done early, but if it doesn't get done early, that's no dramas either.
"You've just got to get the right deal and if that takes longer, then so be it.
"We haven't really spoken to them about what they want, so we'll see what they say tomorrow."
Swann added Richmond would be a keen observer of the initial talks between his club and the Eagles.
"They're positioning themselves as Plan B - with us and West Coast," he said.
"They've obviously got some relevance, but they're going to have to wait and see what happens."
The clubs will have their first meetings from 10.30 tomorrow morning at Telstra Dome.
http://news.realfooty.com.au/judd-afl-deal-talks-set-to-formally-open/20070707-1306.html
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Judd takes centre stage in trade week
08 October 2007 Herald Sun
Daryl Timms
AFL trade week kicks off in Melbourne today with Carlton and West Coast booked to have their first formal talks about Chris Judd.
With clubs having until 2pm on Friday to complete trades, West Coast will continue to demand that part of Judd's move to Carlton includes the Blues' No. 1 pick in next month's national draft.
Eagles chief executive Trevor Nisbett said last night the Eagles still believed it was only fair they got Carlton's No. 1 pick as part of a package in exchange for one of the competition's best players of the past decade.
There has also been speculation of Carlton and Richmond doing a deal in which the Blues take Judd as an uncontracted player in the pre-season draft without giving the Eagles anything in exchange.
But Judd's decision to nominate Carlton as his club of choice has some clubs questioning what constitutes draft tampering and manipulation.
Judd nominated only four clubs he was prepared to play with - Carlton, Melbourne, Collingwood and Essendon - before selecting the Blues. Some club officials also say that what Judd has done is little more than a form of free agency.
Nisbett said the Eagles would continue to fight for what they believed was appropriate compensation from Carlton.
"A lot has been said in recent days, but really nothing has been said," Nisbett said. "The recruiting people will be having talks (today) and we'll take it from there. It will be good to have face-to-face talks."
Nisbett said it was too early to speculate whether the Eagles could negotiate with Richmond, but conceded the Tigers' No. 2 selection would obviously be more attractive than the selection Carlton was prepared to offer: No. 3.
The Blues want to retain the No. 1 selection in the national draft to recruit Northern Knights teenager Matthew Kreuzer, an exciting ruck prospect.
Richmond football manager Greg Miller said the Tigers would look at Judd if a deal wasn't done with Carlton, but thought the clubs would come to an agreement.
He said there was no point in spending an enormous amount of effort in trying to get Judd if it was a waste of time.
"We'll just sit back and see what happens," Miller said.
"But it's all problematical. We are interested in who finishes with the No. 1 selection as it will have a bearing on who we take at No. 2."
Miller said the club had not been approached by Carlton to be involved in any deal.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22548196%255E20322,00.html
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so what do we do
miller is interested in who gets 1, i think because we are pretty sure that if the WCE get pick 1, they will pick cotchin(they wont give a poo about what his dad said). So that leaves Kruezer for us and mortone wont even figure.
if the blues keep 1, they will get kruezer, and we will decide b/w cotchin and morton.
maybe we shoudl say f it, lets work with the blues to get what we want, lets give them say jay schulz and krak or tiv for pick 3. this was the blues will get judd with just giving up pick 3 and keeping 1 and losing nothing else but we end up with 2 and 3 which is damn good. sure we will miss out on jud but who cares in the end, no one ever saw the pies win a flag with buckley and really no one really knows how judd will play in a crap team without the protection of all those hard and experienced eagle boys
the only way i want judd is he ends up in the draft and we cant get pick 3 off the blues or if the eagles will accept a trade of say 2 or 3 players of ours with no picks
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so what do we do
I'd be happy with picks 2, 3, 18, 19, 20 and let Juddas slide.
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so what do we do
I'd be happy with picks 2, 3, 18, 19, 20 and let Juddas slide.
i reckon that would be the best thing for us , and thinking about realistically, its our best plan
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so what do we do
I'd be happy with picks 2, 3, 18, 19, 20 and let Juddas slide.
i reckon that would be the best thing for us , and thinking about realistically, its our best plan
Further to that
Pick 2 (draft Cotchin or Morton)
Pick 3 (trade for Brock McLean)
Pick 18 (draft best available KPP)
Pick 19 (trade for Cameron Wood)
Pick 20 (draft best available player)
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Miller was briefly interviewed at the trade meet and he is still saying the odds are very slim as far as Judd goes as players normally get to their club of choice.
KB this morning was still pushing us to chase hard as we have the first PSD pick.
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No surprise but Swann said no deal will be done today. Ch 9 news still saying Carlton and us may do a deal.
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No surprise but Swann said no deal will be done today. Ch 9 news still saying Carlton and us may do a deal.
:chuck
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so what do we do
miller is interested in who gets 1, i think because we are pretty sure that if the WCE get pick 1, they will pick cotchin(they wont give a pooh about what his dad said). So that leaves Kruezer for us and mortone wont even figure.
if the blues keep 1, they will get kruezer, and we will decide b/w cotchin and morton.
maybe we shoudl say f it, lets work with the blues to get what we want, lets give them say jay schulz and krak or tiv for pick 3. this was the blues will get judd with just giving up pick 3 and keeping 1 and losing nothing else but we end up with 2 and 3 which is damn good. sure we will miss out on jud but who cares in the end, no one ever saw the pies win a flag with buckley and really no one really knows how judd will play in a crap team without the protection of all those hard and experienced eagle boys
the only way i want judd is he ends up in the draft and we cant get pick 3 off the blues or if the eagles will accept a trade of say 2 or 3 players of ours with no picks
As much as I hate the thought of us helping Carlton get Judd on the cheap that's a realistic option for us X as far as getting something decent out of any Judd trade. No short-term benefit but having picks 2, 3, 18 and 19 would bring another wave of quality kids through and build list depth in the long-term. Better at least than being on the outer of the Judd trade and getting nothing.
IMO all this media talk is purely tactical. Each club trying to force the other into accepting less than they want. Carlton making out they'll do a deal with us to scare the Eagles into thinking they will get nothing for Judd if they keep asking for pick 1; the Eagles talking to us about pick 2 and threatening to send Judd to the PSD to force the Blues to cough up pick 1 or miss out on Judd.
We've got to keep telling the Eagles we're interested so they keep demanding pick 1 from Carlton thinking they have us a plan B. Also put out signals to Carlton that we may consider a deal with them to play on their greed to get Judd on the cheap. The longer we can keep the schism between the Eagles and Carlton going this week the better the chance we have of Eagles going screw this and send Judd off to the PSD.
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I'll be pretty disappointed if we do a deal with Carlton, on 2 levels.
One - helping Carlton, no way.
Two - burn the Eagles and we'll get burnt right back in the future.
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Why don't we do what Ox suggested and take 3 and 20 to sit out the PSD, then knife Carlton and take Judd is the PSD anyway.
The cheats would get what they deserve and the AFL would be forced to completely overhaul this broken system - why is the NRL just as (if not much more) competitive without a draft?
Would be doing the footy world a great service IMO.
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Miller today:
"We're not in cahoots with Carlton, we haven’t spoken to them at all," Miller declared while brushing past reporters on his way into Telstra Dome on Monday morning for the start of Trade Week talks.
"I would doubt it very much; I think that's just some leverage that they can use through the media."
"They haven't even spoken to us so that's very doubtful."
http://sportal.com.au/default.aspx/afl-news-display/tigers-dismiss-blues-on-judd-36949
Audio
http://sportal.com.au/default.aspx/mediaplayer/audio/AFL/greg-miller-on-judd-and-blake-1066 (http://sportal.com.au/default.aspx/mediaplayer/audio/AFL/greg-miller-on-judd-and-blake-1066)
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Blues, Eagles go it alone over Judd
8/10/2007 4:33:39 PM
Paul Gough
Sportal
Carlton chief executive Greg Swann has confirmed the proposed deal to secure former West Coast Eagles captain Chris Judd will not involve a third party, ruling out a possible deal with Richmond that could have left the Eagles with no compensation for losing the 2004 Brownlow Medallist.
Swann, after meeting with the Eagles on Monday, said both clubs had agreed to do a deal for Judd and it was now only a matter of sorting out the logistics.
Swann remains confident the deal will be done and preferably well before Friday's 2pm deadline.
The Blues have reportedly offered picks three and 20 and talented young key position player Josh Kennedy in exchange for Judd but the Eagles are adamant that in losing the player widely acknowledged as the best player in the game they are entitled to the first pick in the national draft as compensation.
Full article at: http://sportal.com.au/default.aspx/AFL-news-display/blues,-eagles-go-it-alone-over-judd-36972
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swann is making out this is going to be simple and all their way, but this deal isnt done yet and is far from being completed.
wce must keep on demanding pick 1
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Schwarz on SEN is saying by all reports a deal will be done by this time tomorrow.
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swann is making out this is going to be simple and all their way, but this deal isnt done yet and is far from being completed.
wce must keep on demanding pick 1
Ch 10 News apparently said the Eagles have accepted that pick 1 won't be part of a trade. That basically cuts us out of it and is pretty weak by the Eagles if true.
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swann is making out this is going to be simple and all their way, but this deal isnt done yet and is far from being completed.
wce must keep on demanding pick 1
Ch 10 News apparently said the Eagles have accepted that pick 1 won't be part of a trade. That basically cuts us out of it and is pretty weak by the Eagles if true.
its not the end of the world if they dont get 1. the eagles still need pick 2 or better to guarantee the player they want. Pick 3 doesnt get them that. that opens them up to a trade of something like 2 and coughlan for 3 and 13
and whilst some might say its a bad deal the reality is that the game was going beyond coughlan before he did hes knees. hes now done 2 knee recos and hes going to slower again still.
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swann is making out this is going to be simple and all their way, but this deal isnt done yet and is far from being completed.
wce must keep on demanding pick 1
Ch 10 News apparently said the Eagles have accepted that pick 1 won't be part of a trade. That basically cuts us out of it and is pretty weak by the Eagles if true.
its not the end of the world if they dont get 1. the eagles still need pick 2 or better to guarantee the player they want. Pick 3 doesnt get them that. that opens them up to a trade of something like 2 and coughlan for 3 and 13
and whilst some might say its a bad deal the reality is that the game was going beyond coughlan before he did hes knees. hes now done 2 knee recos and hes going to slower again still.
If the Eagles wanted Morton I would consider it as we could still get Cotchin at 3. But they apparently want Cotchin no matter what his dad says so while offloading Cogs we'd be also counting ourselves out of another natural ballwinner.
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if the RFC have decided on cale morton then the consideration for Cotchin doesnt come into it.
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if the RFC have decided on cale morton then the consideration for Cotchin doesnt come into it.
That's what I'm afraid of :-\. Heaven forbid the Club drafts someone who actually plays in a position we need along the spine with our first picks. I hope Foley enjoys having to win all our centre clearances single-handedly again.
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if the RFC have decided on cale morton then the consideration for Cotchin doesnt come into it.
That's what I'm afraid of :-\. Heaven forbid the Club drafts someone who actually plays in a position we need along the spine with our first picks. I hope Foley enjoys having to win all our centre clearances single-handedly again.
I agree on many points, but unfortunately all we are hearing is morton and hooper - who wont help us where we need to improve the side and blake who- fair dinkum, he'll be back playing for coburg2s by about round 8. This isnt the correct course of action and we will go nowhere recruiting like this.
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time will tell if its another year of pathetic recruiting on behalf of the RFC.
if this morton deal goes through then u know who we r getting in the PSD and with that comes another bottom 2 finish
we need Cotchin and another quality mid
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if the RFC have decided on cale morton then the consideration for Cotchin doesnt come into it.
That's what I'm afraid of :-\. Heaven forbid the Club drafts someone who actually plays in a position we need along the spine with our first picks. I hope Foley enjoys having to win all our centre clearances single-handedly again.
I agree on many points, but unfortunately all we are hearing is morton and hooper - who wont help us where we need to improve the side and blake who- fair dinkum, he'll be back playing for coburg2s by about round 8. This isnt the correct course of action and we will go nowhere recruiting like this.
Sadly agree Ramps. Footy is won in the midfield and down the spine yet you wouldn't think it is by this kind of recruiting. Mindboggling :help.
The other thing is if we are wanting Morton, Hooper and Blake then two of them will have to be traded for which means less kids picked up in the draft.
Anyway nothing has actually happened yet so hopefully sanity will prevail by the Friday deadline. I'd rather us do nothing this week than trade for more flankers :-\.
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Blues forum are saying Carlton have offered the Eagles two options.
i) Picks 3, 20 + Kennedy for Judd + Pick 30.
ii) Picks 3, 20 + 36 for Judd + Pick 46
Eagles may choose the 2nd option given Kennedy is all that keen on going and the Eagles don't rate him highly. They also claimed at the start they wanted only picks.
Make of that what you will.
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Eagles cave in to Blues on Judd
Greg Denham | October 09, 2007 | The Australian
WEST COAST last night conceded it would not get Carlton's priority draft selection as compensation for losing its captain Chris Judd, but remained optimistic a deal with the Blues could be completed by tomorrow at the latest.
Eagles recruiting manager Trevor Woodhouse described yesterday's negotiations with Carlton as meaningful.
"The trouble for us is that we don't hold any aces, which makes it difficult with only one party bidding," Woodhouse said.
"The likelihood of getting the first pick is unlikely, so we'll probably have to concede on that.
"With pick one you control your own destiny in the draft so we've given a bit there."
Both the Blues and the Eagles compromised by backing down yesterday.
Carlton withdrew its threat of a proposal to involve Richmond to freeze out West Coast, which could have ended up with nothing as compensation for losing its 2004 Brownlow medallist.
Full article at: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22553251-5012432,00.html
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Kennedy prefers Carlton
Jake Niall | October 9, 2007 | The Age
Josh Kennedy's manager, Wayne Loxley, said last night that Kennedy would prefer to remain with Carlton, having just signed a two-year contract extension with the club that drafted him at pick four in 2005.
But Loxley indicated that Kennedy would be willing to consider joining the Eagles if Carlton considered it "imperative" that he went to ensure the Judd trade.
"Josh loves Carlton and is looking forward to remaining there, but he's also … aware that it's a business and if Carlton decide that he should go, well, I think Josh will sit and listen to what they've got to say," Loxley said.
Full article at: http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/kennedy-prefers-carlton/2007/10/08/1191695823239.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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1/ why would kennedy prefer carlton, does notmake sense to me, maybe he knows he wont get a game in a good team
2/ wce, if they cave in this easy then they are soft. maybe they are all on drugs there and are vulnerable and weak at the negotiating table. weak coast eagles
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1/ why would kennedy prefer carlton, does notmake sense to me, maybe he knows he wont get a game in a good team
2/ wce, if they cave in this easy then they are soft. maybe they are all on drugs there and are vulnerable and weak at the negotiating table. weak coast eagles
so true..i think they have been coming down for about the last 2 years over there..
trevor nisbett reminds me of yoda from star wars, he should be sacked at once if they accept this without even a blink..
loser
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Whispers around other clubs that we (Richmond) are willing to put in our own offer for Judd and that a deal b/w the Eagles and Carlton are a long way off. Miller saying we're a interested bystander.
SEN saying Judd's manager has told them Judd won't be going to Richmond.
Kennedy has confirmed he doesn't want to go to the Eagles. He's got a 2-year contract and wants to stay at Carlton.
No meeting between Eagles and Carlton today. Eagle officials will remain in Perth.
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SEN contradicting itself. They say the Judd dealing is at a stalemate at the moment but a deal is looking like being done sooner rather than later ???.
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SEN saying Judd's manager has told them Judd won't be going to Richmond.
Let me be so bold as to re-phrase that for him...
"Judd's manager has told them that Judd does not want to go to Richmond but understands that this is not Free Trade and in the unlikely event that Carlton and WC do not agree,he goes into the pre season draft, and could then end up at Richmond"
Starting to P everybody off.
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also stated that we were up to our eyeballs trying to get another 1st rounder, we tried freo but they rejected our bid for its 1st rounder. We wanted the extra pick for a big final tilt at Judd.
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also stated that we were up to our eyeballs trying to get another 1st rounder, we tried freo but they rejected our bid for its 1st rounder. We wanted the extra pick for a big final tilt at Judd.
Who would we trade to Freo for their first pick anyhow? Cogs, Schulz, Krak lol or all three.
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stated on sen wasnt my rumour, i just float my rubbish on bigfooty and when the idiots start to believe its on ... i pee off and let them hang it on each other.
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stated on sen wasnt my rumour, i just float my rubbish on bigfooty and when the idiots start to believe its on ... i pee off and let them hang it on each other.
lol
whats ur user name on BF ramps?
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1/ why would kennedy prefer carlton, does notmake sense to me, maybe he knows he wont get a game in a good team
2/ wce, if they cave in this easy then they are soft. maybe they are all on drugs there and are vulnerable and weak at the negotiating table. weak coast eagles
1/ Maybe someone's (parents) been in his ear about the Eagles "culture" :whistle.
2/ Agree. Soft as they cave in to that so easily and so early.
You've got to laugh at these Carlton fans everyday bragging on the net and ringing into SEN saying "it's done deal and will be announced tomorrow" yet tomorrow comes and nothing happens :nup.
Judd's manager saying Judd won't go to Richmond has actually given the Eagles some bargaining power against Carlton. The Eagles can now threaten Judd's manager that you better get Carlton to cough up more or Judd will be going to Richmond in the PSD. If I was West Coast I'd be ticked off big time with Judd and Carlton's smugness and just hunt for the best offer from any Melbourne-based club over the next couple of days. Come Thursday go to Judd (who'll be in Melbourne), his manager and Carlton and say we've got a far better offer than Carlton's from Melbourne based Club Y so what's it going to be folks? The longer this is dragged out the more pressure goes onto Swann and Carlton. Carlton after all their hoola would look like total idiots if they miss out on Judd.
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hooray finally the eagles do something productive...they should've been saying that to the blues all along..
put some pressure back on those money cheating pricks
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3AW and Channel 7 reporting our offer of 2 and 18 for Judd.
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Wheres Blaisee he seems to know whats going on :gotigers
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Wheres Blaisee he seems to know whats going on :gotigers
hello
simple equation.
the bloos give pick 1,
or judd goes to the tigers in a veale deal. or via pick 2 plus 18.
If the bloos give pick 1 we get krueze control
if the dont, we get judd
we have nothing to lose.
:shh
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I think i seen Blaisee walking into Telstra Dome behind Miller on the TV.
Probably still negotiating the Judd deal.
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Wheres Blaisee he seems to know whats going on :gotigers
and roger!!!!!
where are u guys
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I have a feeling that Judd will be ours.
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Atleast we'll probably get the back page of the Herald Sun tomorrow.
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no idea about the meyer deal, just read it on here 1st, and cos the dawks said today that they are prepared to trade boyle, i say why not. i bet meyer would become a gun at the dawks lol not funny but it is kinda
Wheres Blaisee he seems to know whats going on :gotigers
hello
simple equation.
the bloos give pick 1,
or judd goes to the tigers in a veale deal. or via pick 2 plus 18.
If the bloos give pick 1 we get krueze control
if the dont, we get judd
we have nothing to lose.
:shh
we all assume that blaisee but do u kno wthis as fact?
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I have a feeling that Judd will be ours.
dont tease me bull
bloody hope so , but if he does not come to us now after ur feeling, bloody hell i will be suicidal
but for all the anti xXx posters and xXx haters, dont start to party cos i wont top myself off just so i can keep p issing u guys/gals off lol
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no idea about the meyer deal, just read it on here 1st, and cos the dawks said today that they are prepared to trade boyle, i say why not. i bet meyer would become a gun at the dawks lol not funny but it is kinda
Wheres Blaisee he seems to know whats going on :gotigers
hello
simple equation.
the bloos give pick 1,
or judd goes to the tigers in a veale deal. or via pick 2 plus 18.
If the bloos give pick 1 we get krueze control
if the dont, we get judd
we have nothing to lose.
:shh
we all assume that blaisee but do u kno wthis as fact?
It is a fact.
and it has been for some time :gotigers
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I think i seen Blaisee walking into Telstra Dome behind Miller on the TV.
Probably still negotiating the Judd deal.
I seen him too, Miller had trouble sitting down :lol
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well its official, 3AW said that the tigers offered pick 2 and 18 for judd. this will now force carlton to give up pick 1.
so from here on we cant lose
it seither judd or kruezer to the tigers as blaisee said
please get judd to tigerland
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I'm over trade week now, it's an emotional roller coaster.
Judd no Judd yes Judd no Judd yes!
Morton yes Morton no Morton yes Morton no!
And so on and so on. :banghead
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no idea about the meyer deal, just read it on here 1st, and cos the dawks said today that they are prepared to trade boyle, i say why not. i bet meyer would become a gun at the dawks lol not funny but it is kinda
Wheres Blaisee he seems to know whats going on :gotigers
hello
simple equation.
the bloos give pick 1,
or judd goes to the tigers in a veale deal. or via pick 2 plus 18.
If the bloos give pick 1 we get krueze control
if the dont, we get judd
we have nothing to lose.
:shh
we all assume that blaisee but do u kno wthis as fact?
It is a fact.
and it has been for some time :gotigers
Hurrrah! :clapping
Btw I posted this on BigFooty. I hope you dont mind. I referenced OER as well MT so no need to do one of your rare visits there to show where someone go their info from. ;) :thumbsup
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i'd be very surprised if Judd ened up at tigerland.
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no deal has been done, wait until at least wednesday.
Let's hope so rogerd3 and the latest speculation of that Carlton-favoured deal being annouced on Tuesday is garbage.
i was told wednesday a few days ago lets see what happens.
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omg this is fantastic...
id love to nail the blues to the wall
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Blues forum still believes the deal will be done tomorrow and 3aw are talking crap. Not happy campers at 3aw that's for sure :lol.
http://www.talkingcarlton.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=26
Ch 7 News said tonight Josh Kennedy told his friends he doesn't want to go. The Eagles are also sick of being stuffed about by Carlton and leaning towards Richmond with Pick 2.
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Wheres Blaisee he seems to know whats going on :gotigers
hello
simple equation.
the bloos give pick 1,
or judd goes to the tigers in a veale deal. or via pick 2 plus 18.
If the bloos give pick 1 we get krueze control
if the dont, we get judd
we have nothing to lose.
:shh
:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :gotigers
Apparently Carlton told the Eagles they didn't want to speak to them today (hence the day-off comments) and come back Wednesday. Eagles furious with this and see Carlton treating them with no respect.
I've been critical of Miller with other rumoured trades but he hasn't put a foot wrong in regards to Judd. For Carlton to get Judd now they either have to cough up pick 1 to the Eagles or pick 3 to us.
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I thought there was a Judd deal deadline today
shouldn't that mean Judd is already ours :lol:rollin
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our only hope i reckon is if the eagles decide to hang tough on this...if they do we have a chance for judd mind you if carlton offered us pick 3 late on friday to let judd through in the psd id take it.
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our only hope i reckon is if the eagles decide to hang tough on this...if they do we have a chance for judd mind you if carlton offered us pick 3 late on friday to let judd through in the psd id take it.
cotchin and morton and everyone is happy.
but I thought you could not just hand over a pick, so we would also have to send something satisfactory to Carlton
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i'd be very surprised if Judd ened up at tigerland.
agree
If carlton dont give pick 1, that is gunna happen
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our only hope i reckon is if the eagles decide to hang tough on this...if they do we have a chance for judd mind you if carlton offered us pick 3 late on friday to let judd through in the psd id take it.
The main thing to offering picks 2 + 18 is to force Carlton to cough up pick 1 for Judd knowing the Eagles rate Cotchin as No. 1 pick and we get Kreuzer with pick 2. Judd is the stuff option if this fails ;D. The Eagles don't lose out either. They've just eliminated the risk of losing Judd for nothing. They get picks 1 + 20 + maybe Kennedy off Carlton or our offer of picks 2 +18 which is better than Carlton's current lousy offer of pick 3 + Kennedy.
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$2m a year if he goes into the PSD?
Judd is coming out of this looking a "tad" greedy? And his manager???
http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/judd-price-tag-to-scare-tigers/2007/10/09/1191695909394.html
Judd price tag to scare Tigers
Jake Niall | October 10, 2007
RICHMOND has been warned that it would have to pay Chris Judd up to $2 million if it concocted a deal with West Coast that would put the champion in the pre-season draft.
As Carlton and West Coast moved a step closer to a deal — with pick three and young key forward Josh Kennedy already agreed upon — Judd's management is believed to have cautioned the Tigers against striking a "Veale deal" with the Eagles that would force Judd to Richmond via the pre-season draft against his wishes.
The extreme scenario that led the Judd camp to caution Richmond was the prospect that West Coast — unhappy with Carlton's offer and the lack of alternative bids for Judd — would deal exclusively with Richmond, and give up pick two, 18 and perhaps 19, and in return would let Judd go into the pre-season draft.
Under this scenario, Mitch Morton also would be sent to Richmond — a deal that is close to finalisation, regardless of the outcome of Judd negotiations.
Aware of this possibility, Carlton and Judd's manager Paul Connors determined that Judd could be priced beyond Richmond's reach, with Connors contacting Richmond football director Greg Miller to let him know that an unprecedented price would be placed on Judd's head in the event that he was forced into the pre-season draft.
Miller is believed to have responded that no price would frighten the Tigers, but last night he said: "We have reasonable room in the salary cap. I'm not sure I have $2 million, but we have reasonable room."
Richmond is believed to have had discussions with West Coast about scenarios that could involve the pre-season draft.
The Eagles, understandably, are mindful of their difficult bargaining position, with Carlton the only club bidding for Judd's services, and needed the Tigers involved.
Miller reiterated that Richmond was interested in Judd only in the event "that things don't work out with Carlton".
Richmond also has had discussions with Carlton about a pre-season deal in which the Blues would give up pick three and perhaps swap picks in return for the Tigers passing on Judd and letting him cross to Carlton, without the Eagles receiving any compensation.
As it stands today, Carlton is willing to give up pick three and Kennedy — who is reluctant to leave the Blues, but is willing to entertain the move back to his home state. West Coast is not satisfied and wants more compensation for arguably the best player in the competition.
The Blues appeared ready to offer pick 20 as well, but wanted West Coast's second-round selection, pick 30, back in return.
The problem with the pick 20 situation is that West Coast already has pledged to give pick 30 to Richmond as a part of the Morton deal — giving up pick 19 and getting 30 in return.
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our only hope i reckon is if the eagles decide to hang tough on this...if they do we have a chance for judd mind you if carlton offered us pick 3 late on friday to let judd through in the psd id take it.
cotchin and morton and everyone is happy.
but I thought you could not just hand over a pick, so we would also have to send something satisfactory to Carlton
Yep. We would have to swap pick 18 + a fringer player to get pick 3. I don't think we'd do it either. It would be screwing the Eagles and may come back to burn us in the future.
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Judd price tag to scare Tigers
Jake Niall | October 10, 2007
http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/judd-price-tag-to-scare-tigers/2007/10/09/1191695909394.html
$2m a year if he goes into the PSD?
Judd is coming out of this looking a "tad" greedy? And his manager???
Connors is full of it and bluffing. What are Carlton going to pay Judd $2m as well?! ::)
LOL risking his client a whole year out of footy because no club could do that .... oh wait we're talking about Carlton and their brown paper bags under the desk to cheat the salary cap :whistle.
This is the same bloke who told West Coast Judd would be an Eagle next year ::).
I agree LT. Judd will look like a mercenary now if this is for real especially to the Eagles. Wasn't it his only reason for leaving the Eagles because he wanted to live in Melbourne close to mummy.
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Gotta love Google notifications for my time zone.
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,22560103-21543,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,22560103-21543,00.html)
2,18 and 19 offered? WCE unofficially stating ours is easily the best offer and we are "easier to deal with". Interesting two and a half days coming up.
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Judd price tag to scare Tigers
Jake Niall | October 10, 2007
http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/judd-price-tag-to-scare-tigers/2007/10/09/1191695909394.html
$2m a year if he goes into the PSD?
Judd is coming out of this looking a "tad" greedy? And his manager???
Connors is full of it and bluffing. What are Carlton going to pay Judd $2m as well?! ::)
LOL risking his client a whole year out of footy because no club could do that .... oh wait we're talking about Carlton and their brown paper bags under the desk to cheat the salary cap :whistle.
This is the same bloke who told West Coast Judd would be an Eagle next year ::).
I agree LT. Judd will look like a mercenary now if this is for real especially to the Eagles. Wasn't it his only reason for leaving the Eagles because he wanted to live in Melbourne close to mummy.
Thats the bonus about the PSD Im pretty sure. If Juddy nominates $2million it must come out of the salary cap. :rollin
No chance.
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Even their website manager is deluded :lol
http://carltonfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/4311/Default.aspx?newsId=52332
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Blues' $2m Plan B
10 October 2007 Herald Sun
Mark Robinson
CARLTON and Chris Judd have discussed a one-year price tag of up to $2 million if, as a last resort, he is forced into the pre-season draft.
It is believed the contingency plan would be acted upon if West Coast did not deal with Carlton and Judd refused to sign with Richmond, which would mean the pre-season draft was his only avenue.
The Blues hope the unprecedented bounty on Judd's head would blow Richmond out of the equation.
Judd's contract would have to fit into the salary cap and would then be re-worked for seasons two, three, four and five at Carlton.
The Tigers have the No. 1 selection in the pre-season draft and Carlton No. 2.
However, the Blues strongly doubt the "contingency plan" would be needed because West Coast would receive nothing if Judd entered the pre-season draft.
Carlton last night maintained its confidence that superstar Brownlow medallist Judd would be traded, possibly by today.
Asked last night if a deal could be done today, Blues chief executive Greg Swann said: "Yeah, it's a chance."
"It's not far away."
It's believed the Blues and the Eagles have tentatively agreed to swap pick No. 3 and West Australian-born key forward, Josh Kennedy.
The clubs are still in discussion about Carlton's pick No. 20 and a swap for West Coast's pick No. 30.
Last-minute playmaking by the Tigers to secure Judd has not panicked the Blues.
Judd flies to Melbourne today after attending Chris Mainwaring's funeral on Monday.
Judd was advised to cancel a holiday to Queensland this week to be available for a media conference in Melbourne.
The Tigers made a play for Judd by offering West Coast picks No. 2 and No. 18, and possibly another player/pick.
Richmond director of football Greg Miller did not return calls last night.
The Eagles yesterday conceded that Carlton's No. 1 selection in the national draft would be hard to attain.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22560347%255E19742,00.html
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http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,22560103-21543,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,22560103-21543,00.html)
2,18 and 19 offered? WCE unofficially stating ours is easily the best offer and we are "easier to deal with". Interesting two and a half days coming up.
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Tigers' Judd ambush
MICHELANGELO RUCCI, CHIEF FOOTBALL WRITER
October 10, 2007 02:15am
CHRIS Judd's trade to Carlton - the headline act of AFL trade week - has stalled with Richmond becoming West Coast's preferred option.
The Eagles last night declared Richmond's offer of draft picks No. 2, 18 and 19 for the 24-year-old Brownlow Medallist was "superior" to Carlton's bid.
The Blues have offered draft picks No. 3 and 20 and a player, namely Western Australian Josh Kennedy who must agree to the trade.
By comparison, Richmond's deal gives West Coast four top-20 draft picks - Nos. 2, 13, 18 and 19. Carlton's offer leaves the Eagles with three top-20 draft picks - Nos. 3, 13 and 20.
Judd will return to Melbourne today - after being in Perth for West Coast premiership player Chris Mainwaring's funeral - to learn the supposedly simple trade to Carlton is falling apart.
Judd quit the Eagles last month and, after studying four Melbourne-based teams, chose Carlton as his club of choice. Richmond was not put on Judd's wish list which had Carlton, Collingwood, Melbourne and Essendon.
He must approve any trade negotiated by West Coast and other clubs.
But Judd also has to accept Richmond holds critical cards. It either gets Judd with an approved trade with West Coast or is called to the Tigers - with no compensation to the Eagles - as the first pick in December's pre-season draft for uncontracted players.
Judd and the three clubs were silent last night. Carlton did issue a statement saying: "... this is to confirm the confidential discussions are continuing and no further comment will be made at this stage."
A West Coast insider last night said: "Quite simply, Richmond's offer is superior. And they are easier to deal with."
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The Australian's version.....
Chris Judd could became a Carlton player as early as today. Carlton yesterday made its final offer of picks three and 20 as well as player Josh Kennedy, with West Coast's pick 30 heading back to Carlton.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22559810-5012432,00.html
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if judd puts a 2million price tahgh on his head, the afl should intervene. didnt judd repeatedly say to the world, that he did not leave wce for money!!!!
and 2 million that is f ridiculous.
also, why cant the tigers do the same as what the blues intend and "Judd's contract would have to fit into the salary cap and would then be re-worked for seasons two, three, four and five at Carlton. Richmond! "
i realluy wanna get judd now to pee of all the w@nkers associated with carlscum
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It seems like Carlton will be lopping of about $50,000 a player from the top 20 paid players at Carlton. Some will obviously take a bigger haircut than others. Thatll give them an extra $1million in the cap. I reckon we should still try and call there bluff.
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It seems like Carlton will be lopping of about $50,000 a player from the top 20 paid players at Carlton. Some will obviously take a bigger haircut than others. Thatll give them an extra $1million in the cap. I reckon we should still try and call there bluff.
Half of their top 20 are out of contract next year so they cant "back-end" their contracts.
I cant see how they can find the room.
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Why would a player take $2 million in year 1 to cough almost half that or near $1 million to the Tax Office in Income Tax... its crazy stuff.
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KB and Denham said the $2 million ransom would never happen. Balmey said on Friday even $1.1 million would be 15% of the cap and the stretching limit any club could do before damaging their list. Rawlings threathened to put a bounty on his head to scare off the Bulldogs but of course he never went through with it and still landed at the Bulldogs.
They also said Judd has to nominate for more than a year if he goes into the PSD.
Denham still believes Carlton won't be giving up pick 1 and a deal will be done today.
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The $2m is a bluff to scare us off. It didn't work. In fact it has given us more confidence of hanging in there because Connors $2m "blink" means a deal hasn't be done yet b/w Carlton and the Eagles. Even the Eagles have said we've now a serious player.
SEN just said the Judd negogiations will take another day. If that's true that's good for us.
The Carlton forum reckons it'll still be announced today (even just after midday) when Judd arrives in Melbourne. The sad souls are even tracking Judd's flight and when he lands. Some even believe Judd is on Pratt's flight and will picked up by Swann to be taken to the Dome for a press conference :whistle.
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However, the Blues strongly doubt the "contingency plan" would be needed because West Coast would receive nothing if Judd entered the pre-season draft.
This is garbage Robbo. If a "Veale deal" is done with us then West Coast are in a risk-free position.
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According to that RFC PR propagandist Supertiger on Big Footy, a deal is close
Morton and 30 to Richmond for p2 to WCE
I think some of you on here should support Supertiger on his thread in the West Coast Eagles board. Im sure the Eagles would be happy to send christopher to the PSD lol...go support the thread.
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Carlton has already got it's website basically set-up for welcoming Chris Judd ::)
http://www.afl.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=52343
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Blues forum is still claiming a deal will be announced before 5pm.
SEN saying no one is talking from the Blues and Eagles camps and there's still discussions about the strength of Carlton's offer.
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the fact they got there website to that stage isnt a good sign. Has anyone heard if weve been able to scrounge anything for ourselves?
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the fact they got there website to that stage isnt a good sign. Has anyone heard if weve been able to scrounge anything for ourselves?
They also had a draft table last night saying Dean Cox had been traded for James Gwilt. ;D
I think someone who's not meant to has access. :rollin
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SEN headline is Judd deal in jeopardy. Seems if Kennedy doesn't want to go Carlton will need to switch to Plan B which would be coughing up pick 1.
BF saying MMM said Judd is flying into Melbourne (which is true) but added to talk to Richmond!
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GO GREG GO!
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SEN headline is Judd deal in jeopardy. Seems if Kennedy doesn't want to go Carlton will need to switch to Plan B which would be coughing up pick 1.
BF saying MMM said Judd is flying into Melbourne (which is true) but added to talk to Richmond!
go get em tiger
feel like im a young teen again just about to get my first shag!
go greg go terry do it for the tigers u owe us!
if we get judd, im convinced we were the team he spoke to all yr , not carlton.
just read a bit on bf, that "parrot" is a class one tosser, makes me look good lol
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just read a bit on bf, that "parrot" is a class one tosser, makes me look good lol
Bah haha. Sign up and go head to head with him. I dare ya. :rollin ;)
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SEN latest is Kennedy has yet to agree to move so the Judd deal has stalled again. Kennedy is expected to make a decision today.
Judd returns tonight on a flight from Perth.
Carlton forum saying the Blues tried to take Kennedy off the table so he wouldn't have to go but West Coast said they wanted him as part of the deal. So it turns out Kennedy decides if Carlton gets Judd.
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kennedy will cave in , th epressure will get to him
bloody hell wce, keep demanding pick one or take our pick 2!
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Blues fans are bagging the crap out of Kennedy. Saying he'll never get a game if he costs them Judd. Great loyalty eh! ::) The poor kid is only 20 and has a contract for gawds sake ::).
Carlton were/are expecting the deal to be done today. Still no word and it's 4pm. If it doesn't happen today then they'll get the wobbles. After all the gloating they'll be a laughing stock (if they aren't already lol) if this miss out on Judd.
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The latest from SEN is still that the deal's fate depends on Kennedy's decision.
If he agrees to head to West Coast then Carlton will get Judd for pick 3, Kennedy (+ pick 20?).
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on bf, in the judd thread , a few posters have claimed a deal has been done. will be announced b4 5pm today. pick 1 , 20 and jk for judd
if this is the case, wce owe us big time
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on bf, in the judd thread , a few posters have claimed a deal has been done. will be announced b4 5pm today. pick 1 , 20 and jk for judd
if this is the case, wce owe us big time
Carlton supporters will hate losing pick 1.
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on bf, in the judd thread , a few posters have claimed a deal has been done. will be announced b4 5pm today. pick 1 , 20 and jk for judd
if this is the case, wce owe us big time
Carlton supporters will hate losing pick 1.
no announcement yet, so prob a fos rumour like the million others out there.
but if it is so, then wce must leave kruezer for pick two so we can get kruezing into 2008
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greg denham has written in the australian that the deal is done pick 3 and jk
but the blues have denied this according to sen
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...2-2722,00.html
Chris Judd joins Carlton Font Size: Decrease Increase Print Page: Print Greg Denham | October 10, 2007
CHRIS Judd will play for Carlton next year after the Blues agreed to trade Josh Kennedy and two draft picks to the West Coast Eagles.
Brownlow Medal winner Chris Judd has joined Carlton. Picture: Stuart McEvoy
The deal has been struck on the third day of the pre-season trade period.
Carlton will hand over 20-year-old Kennedy and pick 3 and 20 in the pre-season draft for the Eagles captain who quit the club last month to return to Melbourne.
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too many wankers on here.
One minute Miller is an hole...next minute u love him.
stuff off with ur BS.
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Greg Denham has apparently posted an article on the web saying it's a done deal but Carlton have just told SEN it hasn't be done yet.
The deal is still in Josh Kennedy's hands and he's now in a lose/lose situation. He'll either be remembered as the kid that cost the Blues Judd or was the replacement for Judd at the Eagles. Either way his own fans at either club will hate him forever. Poor kid.
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too many wankers on here.
One minute Miller is an hole...next minute u love him.
eff off with ur BS.
dont love him yet
but why not take ur own advice
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Greg Denham has apparently posted an article on the web saying it's a done deal but Carlton have just told SEN it hasn't be done yet.
The deal is still in Josh Kennedy's hands and he's now in a lose/lose situation. He'll either be remembered as the kid that cost the Blues Judd or was the replacement for Judd at the Eagles. Either way his own fans at either club will hate him forever. Poor kid.
i stated this b4 in the hahahaha thread
not sure what to make of it, surely wce wont cave in to that deal, if so they are pee weak
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SEN said Kennedy is having a medical.
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Typical Carlton shambles. ;) :rollin
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all over deal will be done. ;)
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all over deal will be done. ;)
this deal or another deal, what is the exact deal u r winking about
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WCE are f soft c ock w@nkers
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I wonder how much money pratt offered the west coast club to do the deal as is?
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Lastest rumour is it's done - Picks 3, 20, Kennedy + Visy sponsorship to Eagles
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I just have to say that Carlton are the dirtiest, filthiest stuffing idiots that I have ever laid eyes on. We need to smash these idiots to death when we play them.
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and lets make sure some one wearing yellow and black breaks judds knee!
i said it b4 , kennedy would cave in unfder pressure but i cant belive how stuffing weak wce are
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From SEN:
Kennedy is in Perth talking to the Eagles and having a medical. His manager said he's impress with the Eagles. He's set to make his final decision tomorrow.
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too many wankers on here.
One minute Miller is an hole...next minute u love him.
eff off with ur BS.
dont love him yet
but why not take ur own advice
Now what made u think I meant YOU? ::) :chuck
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Back to the topic thanks!
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on bf, in the judd thread , a few posters have claimed a deal has been done. will be announced b4 5pm today. pick 1 , 20 and jk for judd
if this is the case, wce owe us big time
Carlton supporters will hate losing pick 1.
in my book this will be as bad as losing judd.
they tanked the last 10 games for this prized pick 1.
come on greg u have won my respect back mate keep it up
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3aw saying we could get 2 first round picks but the Eagles decided to stick with the blues because Judd wanted to go there.
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3aw saying we could get 2 first round picks but the Eagles decided to stick with the blues because Judd wanted to go there.
how would we get 2 first round picks?
and btw , judd being a melbourne supporter all his life, and wanting to join a moral club who would figure in final bla bla bla, we can understand why he chose carlton, such an appealing club to go to.
ffs, judd is a mercenary, he is a lying pri ck and i hope all bad things come to him and carlton
hate them all with extreme passion and i hopw we come out of this with very good players that will make the wce and blues bleed and cry about this day in the future
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3aw saying we could get 2 first round picks but the Eagles decided to stick with the blues because Judd wanted to go there.
And yet Judd gets to stuff them in the backside by only nominating one club restricting negotiations?
Got me baffled. I might just be turning into a Judd hater. Just a money hungry idiot.
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3aw saying we could get 2 first round picks but the Eagles decided to stick with the blues because Judd wanted to go there.
And yet Judd gets to eff them in the backside by only nominating one club restricting negotiations?
Got me baffled. I might just be turning into a Judd hater. Just a money hungry idiot.
im with u, hate the c""t now1
and teh afl, should investigate and shaft carlton and take away connors managing licence cos they have surely calluded(is that the word) through all this for months
why would judd pick them, money money money
lets hope he was made to look good at wce thanks to kerr and cousins and his groin slows him down for life
lets hope he never ever sees success again
a hole
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Ch 9 News had
Carlton - Judd
Eagles - Pick 3, Josh Kennedy, Travis Johnstone
Melbourne - Pick 20
but Ch 7 had Johnstone involved in another completely different trade that had nothing to do with Judd.
Neither is the trade mentioned by Carlton and Eagles officials.
Dwayne Russell just said on 3aw we're not completely out of it but had no details to which Healy replied "oh c'mon off it Dwayne".
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We were never gonna get judd...
but this aint over just yet...West Coast want a certain player....they need 1 or 2. Theres something there for us as well. Whether its Mitch Morton or a pick.
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3aw is saying Richmond is ticked off by what's happened today. We believe we've been squeezed out of this.
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3AW just stated we want Cotchin. If West Coast want Cotchin then theyre gonna have to get our pick. We can still get some action from this scenario.
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3aw saying we could get 2 first round picks but the Eagles decided to stick with the blues because Judd wanted to go there.
I thought I heard we chasing another top 10 pick... Schulz to Port is infact a 1st round pick.
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3aw saying we could get 2 first round picks but the Eagles decided to stick with the blues because Judd wanted to go there.
I thought I heard we chasing another top 10 pick... Schulz to Port is infact a 1st round pick.
hope ur mail is right
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Question I ask is why would Judd want to come to Richmond ?
He doesnt and he thinks the tiges are a basket case. He might be right
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Question I ask is why would Judd want to come to Richmond ?
He doesnt and he thinks the tiges are a basket case. He might be right
Yet he's going to a club that's won more wooden spoons and lost more games than anyone else in the past 5 years. It's $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
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Question I ask is why would Judd want to come to Richmond ?
He doesnt and he thinks the tiges are a basket case. He might be right
Yet he's going to a club that's won more wooden spoons and lost more games than anyone else in the past 5 years. It's $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
Can tell you the blues have alot more upside than us unfortunately.
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Question I ask is why would Judd want to come to Richmond ?
He doesnt and he thinks the tiges are a basket case. He might be right
so now you are quoting chris judd, "he thinks we are basket case".
did judd actually tell you this or are you putting these words out there and attributing them to him.
i have never heard or seen judd quoted with those words, if you have please supply the reference Jackstar.
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rogerd theres no need to get so defensive. Everyones entitled to a point of view and to give an opinion.
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Question I ask is why would Judd want to come to Richmond ?
He doesnt and he thinks the tiges are a basket case. He might be right
Yet he's going to a club that's won more wooden spoons and lost more games than anyone else in the past 5 years. It's $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
Can tell you the blues have alot more upside than us unfortunately.
at this stage id have to agree with u but that may change come friday..
i really believe that until the likes of krak and Schulz are gone we will go nowhere..
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Question I ask is why would Judd want to come to Richmond ?
He doesnt and he thinks the tiges are a basket case. He might be right
so now you are quoting chris judd, "he thinks we are basket case".
did judd actually tell you this or are you putting these words out there and attributing them to him.
i have never heard or seen judd quoted with those words, if you have please supply the reference Jackstar.
Mates work at 7, that should be enough pal!
If you dont beleive me , ask Bull!
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rogerd theres no need to get so defensive. Everyones entitled to a point of view and to give an opinion.
this is an open forum so yes everyone is entitled to an opinion, but attributing a quote to a player when in actual fact probably wasnt said by the above player just to get your own personal point across is what disappoints.
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rogerd theres no need to get so defensive. Everyones entitled to a point of view and to give an opinion.
this is an open forum so yes everyone is entitled to an opinion, but attributing a quote to a player when in actual fact probably wasnt said by the above player just to get your own personal point across is what disappoints.
everyone should move on, eff judd its not that important now, the club needs to be working for a ruckman and strengthening our position in the top 20 picks of the draft.
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rogerd theres no need to get so defensive. Everyones entitled to a point of view and to give an opinion.
this is an open forum so yes everyone is entitled to an opinion, but attributing a quote to a player when in actual fact probably wasnt said by the above player just to get your own personal point across is what disappoints.
He can't back it up, so ignore him.
Any chance to stab the club in the back is his modus operandi - surprised anyone takes his jibes for real.
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Question I ask is why would Judd want to come to Richmond ?
He doesnt and he thinks the tiges are a basket case. He might be right
so now you are quoting chris judd, "he thinks we are basket case".
did judd actually tell you this or are you putting these words out there and attributing them to him.
i have never heard or seen judd quoted with those words, if you have please supply the reference Jackstar.
Mates work at 7, that should be enough pal!
If you dont beleive me , ask Bull!
hearsay, so you havent actually been told yourself by the person you are attributing them to
so this is the old mate of a mate told me scenario.
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judd is a money hungry prick..fact!! pratts paying for a upgrade on his mrs twin towers which we cant match
what goes around comes around prick
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rogerd theres no need to get so defensive. Everyones entitled to a point of view and to give an opinion.
this is an open forum so yes everyone is entitled to an opinion, but attributing a quote to a player when in actual fact probably wasnt said by the above player just to get your own personal point across is what disappoints.
He can't back it up, so ignore him.
Any chance to stab the club in the back is his modus operandi - surprised anyone takes his jibes for real.
CAN back it up. But whats the point arguing with you
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You know something Moi.
I am the biggest idiot of all here . Why ?
Sharing stuff with you and others on here!
Should of just PM like I usely do!
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Question I ask is why would Judd want to come to Richmond ?
He doesnt and he thinks the tiges are a basket case. He might be right
so now you are quoting chris judd, "he thinks we are basket case".
did judd actually tell you this or are you putting these words out there and attributing them to him.
i have never heard or seen judd quoted with those words, if you have please supply the reference Jackstar.
Mates work at 7, that should be enough pal!
If you dont beleive me , ask Bull!
hearsay, so you havent actually been told yourself by the person you are attributing them to
so this is the old mate of a mate told me scenario.
I will PM you if you want, but whats the point
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You know something Moi.
I am the biggest idiot of all here . Why ?
Sharing stuff with you and others on here!
Should of just PM like I usely do!
Stick you PMs up your arse, some ppl just don't give a stuff what you've got to say!
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You know something Moi.
I am the biggest idiot of all here . Why ?
Sharing stuff with you and others on here!
Should of just PM like I usely do!
Stick you PMs up your behind, some ppl just don't give a stuff what you've got to say!
Funny, most people do PM me, you one of the few who dont.
I actually couldnt care less!
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You know something Moi.
I am the biggest idiot of all here . Why ?
Sharing stuff with you and others on here!
Should of just PM like I usely do!
Stick you PMs up your behind, some ppl just don't give a stuff what you've got to say!
Funny, most people do PM me, you one of the few who dont.
I actually couldnt care less!
Then why mention it :rollin
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44 pages on Judd.
Just been told deal is DONE with the blues!
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44 pages on Judd.
Just been told deal is DONE with the blues!
can confirm
can also confirm with friends like jack, richmond dont need enemies
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some carlton bloke ion bf called mr X(and its not me!) is going on that the judd deal with carlton is over!
lol, would be funny if it were true
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=385236
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Wheres Blaisee he seems to know whats going on :gotigers
hello
simple equation.
the bloos give pick 1,
or judd goes to the tigers in a veale deal. or via pick 2 plus 18.
If the bloos give pick 1 we get krueze control
if the dont, we get judd
we have nothing to lose.
:shh
Blues didnt give up no 1 pick either
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44 pages on Judd.
Just been told deal is DONE with the blues!
can confirm
can also confirm with friends like jack, richmond dont need enemies
Dont need friends like Greg Miller either, big pass there !
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44 pages on Judd.
Just been told deal is DONE with the blues!
can confirm
can also confirm with friends like jack, richmond dont need enemies
Dont need friends like Greg Miller either, big pass there !
Then why did you go up to him this year and shake his hand, or have you forgotten!
So two-faced lol
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yea your best mate is sheeds
difference is
he is unemployed :thumbsup
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yea your best mate is sheeds
difference is
he is unemployed :thumbsup
And no-one wanted him lol
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yea your best mate is sheeds
difference is
he is unemployed :thumbsup
And no-one wanted him lol
Except Jack of course and old faithful, Bully lol
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44 pages on Judd.
Just been told deal is DONE with the blues!
can confirm
can also confirm with friends like jack, richmond dont need enemies
Dont need friends like Greg Miller either, big pass there !
Then why did you go up to him this year and shake his hand, or have you forgotten!
So two-faced lol
You are a idiot, he shook my hand.
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yea your best mate is sheeds
difference is
he is unemployed :thumbsup
Wait and see
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44 pages on Judd.
Just been told deal is DONE with the blues!
can confirm
can also confirm with friends like jack, richmond dont need enemies
Dont need friends like Greg Miller either, big pass there !
Then why did you go up to him this year and shake his hand, or have you forgotten!
So two-faced lol
You are a idiot, he shook my hand.
I hope he counted his fingers afterwards lol
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Look Moi, i couldnt care less what you and others think.
All I am concerned is where this club is headed.
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Look Moi, i couldnt care less what you and others think.
All I am concerned is where this club is headed.
Don't worry Jack I still love you.
:cuddles
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Look Moi, i couldnt care less what you and others think.
All I am concerned is where this club is headed.
Don't worry Jack I still love you.
:cuddles
Thanx 65 :thumbsup
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Look Moi, i couldnt care less what you and others think.
All I am concerned is where this club is headed.
You couldn't give a stuff about the club, you only care for yourself!
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Look Moi, i couldnt care less what you and others think.
All I am concerned is where this club is headed.
You couldn't give a stuff about the club, you only care for yourself!
How would you know! ::) ::) This a pointless argument.
You believe that the RFC a going to rise to the top overnight with Miller and Wallace the saviors, you are dreaming.
See me after round 10 next year and tell me how your saviors are going then!
P.S. Both my kids have there new jumpers to wear to the games next year, so I do give a stuff!
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Back to the topic, Judd is a bluebagger!
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Sauce? ;D
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Sauce? ;D
Usual, tomatoe
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what's the trade like Jack
pick 3, 20 and Kennedy?
if so we missed out on a golden opportunity to get in on the deal.
grabbing carlton's pick 3 to let Judd slide through the PSD would have been gold :-\
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You believe that the RFC a going to rise to the top overnight with Miller and Wallace the saviors, you are dreaming.
When have I ever said that? It's you that wants the club to be instant successes. You're the one who has been canning the club, every stuffing move they make. You're the one who has the buddies in the president's club who has been undermining every move the club makes. Not I my dear. They have my full support, something you know nothing about at all. You think if Sheeds gets a job at the club you will get a job. Think agaiin ;)
It's all about you, what you want. You won't give those who are trying to get this club off the bottom a chance, but knew what the club was up against. Read my signature. Your the one who lives in the past, talking about the Andrew Kellaways of this world that we had to replace in order to proceed. If Andrew Kellaway still holds grudges like you do for getting the arse, who gives a stuff. We're better off without him if that's his attitude and we're a darn better off without you. Who cares if you've got every phone number in the AFL and ring them up and annoy the crap out of everyone with your constant calls lol. Mate, if you only knew what the people you claim as being your mates say about you you would stuffin' die :rollin
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what's the trade like Jack
pick 3, 20 and Kennedy?
if so we missed out on a golden opportunity to get in on the deal.
grabbing carlton's pick 3 to let Judd slide through the PSD would have been gold :-\
I dont know. will find out though
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what's the trade like Jack
pick 3, 20 and Kennedy?
if so we missed out on a golden opportunity to get in on the deal.
grabbing carlton's pick 3 to let Judd slide through the PSD would have been gold :-\
to do that deal it needed to be done on Monday, you cant do a deal like that Bluey later in the week. We didnt have any cards, the fact we kept it alive for 3 days is a decent effort. If we're smart we will take kids in the draft finish on the bottom again next year and finish the rebuild.
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You believe that the RFC a going to rise to the top overnight with Miller and Wallace the saviors, you are dreaming.
When have I ever said that? It's you that wants the club to be instant successes. You're the one who has been canning the club, every effing move they make. You're the one who has the buddies in the president's club who has been undermining every move the club makes. Not I my dear. They have my full support, something you know nothing about at all. You think if Sheeds gets a job at the club you will get a job. Think agaiin ;)
It's all about you, what you want. You won't give those who are trying to get this club off the bottom a chance, but knew what the club was up against. Read my signature. Your the one who lives in the past, talking about the Andrew Kellaways of this world that we had to replace in order to proceed. If Andrew Kellaway still holds grudges like you do for getting the behind, who gives a eff. We're better off without him if that's his attitude and we're a darn better off without you. Who cares if you've got every phone number in the AFL and ring them up and annoy the crap out of everyone with your constant calls lol. Mate, if you only knew what the people you claim as being your mates say about you you would effin' die :rollin
::) Oh dear ::)
You cant see the forest through the trees ::)
Andrew Kellaway bled yellow and black,
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what's the trade like Jack
pick 3, 20 and Kennedy?
if so we missed out on a golden opportunity to get in on the deal.
grabbing carlton's pick 3 to let Judd slide through the PSD would have been gold :-\
C
I dont know. will find out though
Confirmed, pick 3 and 20 Plus Kennedy
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You believe that the RFC a going to rise to the top overnight with Miller and Wallace the saviors, you are dreaming.
When have I ever said that? It's you that wants the club to be instant successes. You're the one who has been canning the club, every effing move they make. You're the one who has the buddies in the president's club who has been undermining every move the club makes. Not I my dear. They have my full support, something you know nothing about at all. You think if Sheeds gets a job at the club you will get a job. Think agaiin ;)
It's all about you, what you want. You won't give those who are trying to get this club off the bottom a chance, but knew what the club was up against. Read my signature. Your the one who lives in the past, talking about the Andrew Kellaways of this world that we had to replace in order to proceed. If Andrew Kellaway still holds grudges like you do for getting the behind, who gives a eff. We're better off without him if that's his attitude and we're a darn better off without you. Who cares if you've got every phone number in the AFL and ring them up and annoy the crap out of everyone with your constant calls lol. Mate, if you only knew what the people you claim as being your mates say about you you would effin' die :rollin
::) Oh dear ::)
You cant see the forest through the trees ::)
Andrew Kellaway bled yellow and black,
Obviously not enough if he's bagging the club like you say!
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You believe that the RFC a going to rise to the top overnight with Miller and Wallace the saviors, you are dreaming.
When have I ever said that? It's you that wants the club to be instant successes. You're the one who has been canning the club, every effing move they make. You're the one who has the buddies in the president's club who has been undermining every move the club makes. Not I my dear. They have my full support, something you know nothing about at all. You think if Sheeds gets a job at the club you will get a job. Think agaiin ;)
It's all about you, what you want. You won't give those who are trying to get this club off the bottom a chance, but knew what the club was up against. Read my signature. Your the one who lives in the past, talking about the Andrew Kellaways of this world that we had to replace in order to proceed. If Andrew Kellaway still holds grudges like you do for getting the behind, who gives a eff. We're better off without him if that's his attitude and we're a darn better off without you. Who cares if you've got every phone number in the AFL and ring them up and annoy the crap out of everyone with your constant calls lol. Mate, if you only knew what the people you claim as being your mates say about you you would effin' die :rollin
::) Oh dear ::)
You cant see the forest through the trees ::)
Andrew Kellaway bled yellow and black,
Obviously not enough if he's bagging the club like you say!
Why dont you stick to the topic.
This is about Judd, not me or anyone else.
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West Coast still hasnt guaranteed themselves that they will get the player they want. Id suggest we ask for 3 and 13 in an attempt to get 3 and 20
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You believe that the RFC a going to rise to the top overnight with Miller and Wallace the saviors, you are dreaming.
When have I ever said that? It's you that wants the club to be instant successes. You're the one who has been canning the club, every effing move they make. You're the one who has the buddies in the president's club who has been undermining every move the club makes. Not I my dear. They have my full support, something you know nothing about at all. You think if Sheeds gets a job at the club you will get a job. Think agaiin ;)
It's all about you, what you want. You won't give those who are trying to get this club off the bottom a chance, but knew what the club was up against. Read my signature. Your the one who lives in the past, talking about the Andrew Kellaways of this world that we had to replace in order to proceed. If Andrew Kellaway still holds grudges like you do for getting the behind, who gives a eff. We're better off without him if that's his attitude and we're a darn better off without you. Who cares if you've got every phone number in the AFL and ring them up and annoy the crap out of everyone with your constant calls lol. Mate, if you only knew what the people you claim as being your mates say about you you would effin' die :rollin
::) Oh dear ::)
You cant see the forest through the trees ::)
Andrew Kellaway bled yellow and black,
Obviously not enough if he's bagging the club like you say!
Why dont you stick to the topic.
This is about Judd, not me or anyone else.
From someone who turns every thread into anti-Wallace-pro-Senile Sheeds, that's laughable :rollin
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You just did it again,pointless going any further, come and see me in round 12 next year
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back to the topic once again,
Would think Judd would fit in well at Carlton
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back to the topic once again,
Would think Judd would fit in well at Carlton
I hope he breaks his leg, his groin gets shrivelled up and Carlton get a huge bill!
Bliss!
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back to the topic once again,
Would think Judd would fit in well at Carlton
I hope he breaks his leg, his groin gets shrivelled up and Carlton get a huge bill!
Bliss!
You are sad, Chris Judd is a champion. Fit ,he is the superior player in the game.
With support from Nick Stevens and Marc Murphy, he should fit in well down at Carlton.
What is sad if he came to punt road, he would only have Foley to support him, couldnt imagine guys like Kane Johnston and co supporting him, could you ?
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back to the topic once again,
Would think Judd would fit in well at Carlton
I hope he breaks his leg, his groin gets shrivelled up and Carlton get a huge bill!
Bliss!
You are sad, Chris Judd is a champion. Fit ,he is the superior player in the game.
With support from Nick Stevens and Marc Murphy, he should fit in well down at Carlton.
What is sad if he came to punt road, he would only have Foley to support him, couldnt imagine guys like Kane Johnston and co supporting him, could you ?
Why should I respect someone who thinks we're scum?
Money hungry creep!
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back to the topic once again,
Would think Judd would fit in well at Carlton
Yeah but they're still going to have to have a defence. Or dont Carlton care about that?
And the forward line, they're probably losing their up and coming KPP and Fev cant do it all.
No doubt there midfield is looking super but not much else still Jacky.
You couldnt say they're finals material next year. :shh
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It will be interesting to see how good Judd really is without Kerr, Cousins, Fletcher, Priddis, Cox etc....
In Carlton's rabble he will probably end up being another Buckley or Hird, do all the work, look like a star and at the end of the day still lose the game. :rollin
Carlton have a lot more buying to do before they are a team of any merit. Their backline is a shambles, Fev is the only real focal point up forward and he is erratic at best.
With Judd, Carlton with be like a V8 supercar on space savers. :lol
Lets eff the Eagles and take Cotchin too. :thumbsup
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It's gunna end in tears, get used to it.
Rich v Tankscum cheats brown paper bags Round 1 should be interesting, specially in the stands.(http://planetsmilies.net/vicious-smiley-1815.gif)
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Looks like for some people it already has ended in tears :banghead. Leave the slanging matches off the forum.
Anyway back to the topic.
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From Ch 9....
West Coast chief executive Trevor Nisbett, who confirmed Kennedy met with Eagles coach John Worsfold and the football department, said all the club could do now was sit and wait.
"At the moment we're not in a position to do any deals until we find out where Josh sits and where it goes from there," Nisbett said.
"We're still waiting on whether Josh is going to play with us and if he decides he's not we're back dealing with Richmond and with Carlton to see what else comes out of it.
"(He) would form part of the deal for sure if he decided to play with us.
Kennedy's agent Wayne Loxley said Kennedy will have settled on his club of choice by Thursday morning.
"He'll sleep on it tonight and we'll meet tomorrow morning."
http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=303337
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All the main dailies have it as a done deal.
Carlton give up picks 3, 20 + Josh Kennedy in return for Judd + pick 46.
Kennedy would prefer to stay at Carlton with his mates but he'll agree to go so he isn't remembered as the one who stopped the Judd deal.
The Blues will give Judd either Kennedy's No. 5 guernsey or 10 or 12.
Judd will get a contract of $6 million over 5 years.
Carlton is expected to unveil Judd at a media conference today at its Princes Park headquarters.
http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/judd-deal-hinges-on-kennedy/2007/10/10/1191695990908.html
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22565734-11088,00.html
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22564873-5012432,00.html
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Good to see Kennedy is going to WA for all the right reasons! ::) ::)
Talk about build me up buttercup! The poor bugger must feel like a foster child being shunted from place to place. I hope Kennedy becomes a gun for the Eagles and sticks it up the Carltankers next time they meet! :pray
Pratt & Co have handled this disgracefully and deserve to get a dog up them!
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I hope Kennedy becomes a gun for the Eagles and sticks it up the Carltankers next time they meet! :pray
Or he falls across Judds leg in a contest, in a strikingly similar incident to the Nathan Brown and puts Juddas out for a couple of years. Then Kennedy lines up Kreuzer and knocks him senseless.
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I hope Kennedy becomes a gun for the Eagles and sticks it up the Carltankers next time they meet! :pray
Or he falls across Judds leg in a contest, in a strikingly similar incident to the Nathan Brown and puts Juddas out for a couple of years. Then Kennedy lines up Kreuzer and knocks him senseless.
i like it
could be the making of a "priceless" mastercard moment
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I hope Kennedy becomes a gun for the Eagles and sticks it up the Carltankers next time they meet! :pray
Or he falls across Judds leg in a contest, in a strikingly similar incident to the Nathan Brown and puts Juddas out for a couple of years. Then Kennedy lines up Kreuzer and knocks him senseless.
Or the old AFL slogan...Hey....I'd like to see that!! :clapping Can you also imagine the reception Chris "Richie Rich" Judd will get when he returns to Subi?? God I hope it will be televised. :pray
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Look Moi, i couldnt care less what you and others think.
come on Jack, you know this isn't true
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C'mon GB...let this one go through to the keeper. You are just encouraging him to respond again on a topic that is
becoming tedious. :sleep
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Look Moi, i couldnt care less what you and others think.
come on Jack, you know this isn't true
oh dear
you are like my attention seeking 4 year old mate, its beyond a joke, :lol
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Question I ask is why would Judd want to come to Richmond ?
He doesnt and he thinks the tiges are a basket case. He might be right
mate for someone in the know you have no fricken idea, no poo, you are clueless.
The reason why judd ended up at carlton, had absolutely nothing to do with finals propespects, or the playing list
Lets see how smart you are in figuring this out?
Its not real complicated, :shh
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Question I ask is why would Judd want to come to Richmond ?
He doesnt and he thinks the tiges are a basket case. He might be right
mate for someone in the know you have no fricken idea, no pooh, you are clueless.
The reason why judd ended up at carlton, had absolutely nothing to do with finals propespects, or the playing list
Lets see how smart you are in figuring this out?
Its not real complicated, :shh
Does it have anything to do with Jerry Maguire?? :lol
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muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuulaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. ;)
(http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/8581/jdci8.jpg)
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Just announced on SEN. Kennedy has said yes and the Judd deal is done.
:rollin tiga
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Judd - "idiot has a lot of experience in good corporate governance" :whistle
Judd basically said he was excited by Carlton's list and wanted to be part of something building from scratch with a young group and new coach like he did at the Eagles. He said success is related to financial strength these days. Carlton's board had plenty of influential people. He choose Carlton ahead of the other 3 clubs, who also impressed him, on a gut feel.
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Sauce? ;D
Usual, tomatoe
With spelling like that you could be President of the USA
:thumbsup
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Question I ask is why would Judd want to come to Richmond ?
He doesnt and he thinks the tiges are a basket case. He might be right
mate for someone in the know you have no fricken idea, no pooh, you are clueless.
The reason why judd ended up at carlton, had absolutely nothing to do with finals propespects, or the playing list
Lets see how smart you are in figuring this out?
Its not real complicated, :shh
the judd deal was instigated at least 6 months ago, Pratt has offered more than the 6 mill.... :whistle..
but we will never find out the exact amount. :shh
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I can't understand Judd going to Carlton. Carlton have won 3 wooden spoons since 2002. Don't understand how they can fit him in the salary, especially after all the salary cap trouble they had a few years ago. Have any of their draft picks really set the world on fire. Marc Murphy was, until injury hit but has he done much since? What about Bryce Gibbs?
Year Carlton Richmond
2002 16th 14th
2003 15th 13th
2004 11th 16th
2005 16th 12th
2006 16th 9th
2007 15th 16th
Yep I can see why he chose Carlton ???
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Crikey's take . . . :shh
Al Gore, idiot Pratt and the long chase for Moby idiot
Charles Happell writes:
How did Carlton manage to sink its gaff into Chris Judd, the biggest catch in AFL football?
Simple. First, the Blues spent months planning and preparing for former West Coast captain Chris Judd’s return to Melbourne, having heard on the grapevine he wanted to come home. They then lost their last 11 games of the season which secured the all-important No.1 draft pick.
Then the club rolled out the man who speaks the same language as Judd - an eager green - environmental hot gospeller and one-time Presidential candidate Al Gore, to help the Blues' schmooze.
And, finally, when the club got to meet the superstar face-to-face a fortnight ago, Carlton president idiot Pratt not only served Judd a banquet at Raheen but promised him post-career security in the form of a well-paid posting with an environmental bent at Visy, the modest packaging and recycling concern Pratt owns.
And that irresistible mix of burley and bait helped the Blues land Moby idiot: perhaps the best player of his time.
Or so we surmise. In piecing together various elements of the Judd chase, we bring you a tale of intrigue, chicanery and not a little knavery. And not that we’d ever dabble in scuttlebutt and innuendo, but who’s to say it’s not true?
It is believed Carlton first got wind of Judd’s desire to return to Melbourne about May. The West Coast midfielder had revealed to confidantes he was unlikely to extend his contract beyond this year. The Bluebagger’s hierarchy, impatient for success, swung into action, forming what amounted to a Get Judd committee.
The committee went to work, searching for the strongest tackle and juiciest bait to land their catch. There is even a suggestion the club sounded out Judd’s coach at West Coast, John Worsfold, who was once an assistant to David Parkin at Optus Oval, to see if he’d be interested in taking over the reins in 2008. With Worsfold in place, it was reasoned that Judd would find it a lot easier to plump for Carlton.
The plan also involved losing games, lots of games. The Blues won their round-11 match on June 9, against Port Adelaide, then managed to lose the last 11 in a row. A masterstroke. If they had won any one of those games, they would have forfeited the right to the No.1 priority draft pick.
Armed with that all-important pick, the Blues are expected to draft Northern Knights ruckman Matthew Kreuzer or, possibly, Kreuzer’s teammate Trent Cotchin. That then frees up their draft pick No.3 to offer to West Coast, along with various permutations and combinations of goodies, in the hope the Perth club signs off on the Judd deal.
The next part of the plan to lure football’s monster from the deep involved Gore, pipped at the Presidential post by butterfly ballots and hanging chads in 2000. Judd shares the same passion for the environment as the American, now an award-winning film-maker and poster boy for the global warming movement.
And it is said a meeting between the two was arranged during Gore’s visit to Melbourne a fortnight ago – which just happened to coincide with Judd’s visit from Perth to talk to various AFL suitor clubs. Judd was a lunch guest at Raheen, Pratt’s Italianate mansion in Kew, on Thursday 20 September. Gore the star attraction at a meet and greet over breakfast at Raheen three days later. At their meeting, perhaps Gore handed over his business card to the footballer and said: "You’ve got an open line to my office, Chris. Give me a call any time".
So, all the ingredients were in place. The line was dangled, the bait gobbled and the Blues had landed their prize catch. (With a heavily front-loaded contract worth more next season than any footballer has been paid before). President Pratt? Captain Ahab more like.
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cheats cheats cheats
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as l said X its all done under the table these days
Judd would be well looked after including his Twig by the bigman himself
all Carlscum debt would be wiped the moment the bigman walked in the door
The club would be topped up to overflow & there is no law to stop this happening its buisness
by the time its all found out it be too late crime always pays
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:banghead :banghead
and the stupid AFL just sat back and let it all happen - and to add insult to injury, award Carlton priority picks.
:banghead :banghead
Wonder if they believe in karma?
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But Andy D says anyone who thinks tanking exists is deluded :whistle ::)
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But Andy D says anyone who thinks tanking exists is deluded :whistle ::)
AFL = joke
Karma is a biatch and Carlton will suffer
Would love it if pick 3, 20 and kennedy turned out to be superstars and Judd's groing stays buggered
that will show those carlton scumbags
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What about Bryce Gibbs?
his been to busy falling over in the goal square ;D
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But Andy D says anyone who thinks tanking exists is deluded :whistle ::)
AFL = joke
Karma is a biatch and Carlton will suffer
Would love it if pick 3, 20 and kennedy turned out to be superstars and Judd's groing stays buggered
that will show those carlton scumbags
5 years deals are very risky as we all know especially on that kind of money (Kouta) and the Blues only have one pick in the top 35. Karma could come back to bite them.
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But Andy D says anyone who thinks tanking exists is deluded :whistle ::)
AFL = joke
Karma is a biatch and Carlton will suffer
Would love it if pick 3, 20 and kennedy turned out to be superstars and Judd's groing stays buggered
that will show those carlton scumbags
karma is a bitch, and lets look at what happened last time this mob manipulated the system for their own gain.
lose of draft picks and i think 1 mill in fines...this time we have a not disimilar situation (manipulating the system), this deal was on going for at least 6 months (mentioned it elsewhere), the money component is way much more than is been reported :shh..
good luck to the bloos but you would hate for Judd to jag his leg or knee and have him setting on the sidelines, sometimes you can be too smart for your own good and in this case the bloos might have just achieved this. :lol
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Nisbett in the Age and Paul Roos in the Herald-Sun have accused Carlton of deliberately tanking. The article also shows Richmond were cut-out by Judd, his manager and Carlton, no matter what picks/players we could have offered West Coast.
http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/tanks-for-nothing-carlton/2007/10/12/1191696179365.html
Tanks for nothing, Carlton
Steve Butler and Craig O'donoghue | October 13, 2007
WEST Coast chief executive Trevor Nisbett says that although Carlton did not breach AFL rules in its hunt for Chris Judd, the Blues had deliberately lost games — or tanked — to ensure a priority pick before the national draft.
Nisbett revealed Richmond had been prepared to offer a package including its draft picks two and 18 to West Coast for Judd if it could have done a separate trade deal to win back another top-10 selection.
The Eagles would then have dealt with the Tigers to preserve the "integrity" of the system.
But Carlton and Judd are understood to have discussed cutting Richmond out of the market with a first-year price tag of up to $2 million for the 2004 Brownlow medallist, if the Eagles and Tigers struck a deal.
"We were tempted to do a deal with Richmond on the basis that Chris would have gone to the lowest club and it would have maintained the integrity of the draft, which is that the bottom clubs should get the best players," Nisbett said.
"In this case, the second-bottom club got the best player and also for want of a better word, had tanked the last seven or eight games to get a priority pick. That's within the rules, so I guess in the end we have to look at how the rules are structured.
"Now every player will think that if they need to leave a club, they can just walk out, interview clubs and select one — and there's no reason at the moment why you can't. Our club remains an advocate for no free agency because it protects the integrity of the whole competition."
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now more than ever i really do hope terry wallace fills up richmonds head b4 rnd 1 that judd did not want us nor gave us a chance.
i wanna see a team liuke the teams terry coached at the dogs, damn dirty and target judd and smash his attogant figjam face in and pop his knee caps and while they are at it, dislocated his shoulders and tear his pec muscles pof teh bone
destroy the prick, so he can spend less time playing footy and spend more time saving the environment
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But Carlton and Judd are understood to have discussed cutting Richmond out of the market with a first-year price tag of up to $2 million for the 2004 Brownlow medallist, if the Eagles and Tigers struck a deal.
Can anyone explain to me how this could work?
If Judd put $2m on his head for year one and Richmond passed, Carlton would have to put that $2m against his name for next year - how could they then pay the other players?
Both teams have the same salary cap. It's not a question of who has the deepest pockets nor Carlton actually paying him less - the whole $2m goes against his name. Neil Balme stated that anything above 1.2m to one player makes it virtually impossible to run your football department.
I'm also keen to find out whether we ever discussed a deal with Carlton to take pick 3 and pass on Judd in the pre-season. Patrick Smith still claiming this in today's paper. I hope we didn't.
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Carlton tanked Richmond tanked everyone know that & the importance of the draft pick to be a bargaining tool is worth millions to a club
But people are forgetting Judd aint got players at Carlton around him the same aquivelant as West Coast in Cox, Kerr, Cousins, Embley, Fletcher, Braun, Selwood, & whoever l missed so the preasure to astain being the top player is greater on him + his got a different coach l dont see ratten as very smart compared to Worsfold
Judd will be half the dominant player at Carlton just wait & see teams will be able to tag him easier because its very hard to tag all them West Coast players with Judd in there side you need 6 champion runners to take Cousins Kerr Judd Embley Braun & Fletcher & not many sides have that capacity of running players who can match champions
West Coast fit is unstopable & season 2007 they were very hurt with injuries
Judd is a champion & has played his best years his even smarter to comeback to Victoria when he can pull the best money in football when he knows his past his best regardless how he plays at Carlton his won everything already l'm sure now that his got his pricetag that he couldnot give a toss how he goes for the rest of his future because his secure if Carlton get rid of him 5 years down the track his still a champion but a very rich one at that
Judd might just be the next Hird, Voss, Buckley, Recciuto that are carried through the rest of thier careers with injuries
The draft must be changed cause its not working for the teams that really need it
If the coaches are saying teams are tanking they would surely know by they way they coached against the side previously
Roos has also stated this that Carlton are cheats but its worked for them & Demitrou & Anderson are letting it happen
regardless Judd cut us out he never wanted to be a Richmond player so Miller done his job for Richmond in trying his best
Carlton players will turn against Judd because his being paid more than others think his worth & players will leave his future of being a champion & play finals may never be the same again ;D
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Tigermonk
Don't forget that Murphy has been getting the best tagger and they get Stevens back.
The other players didn't seem to mind Couta getting similar money - if he delivers they won't give a hoot.
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I reckon Murphy is a gun.
Stevens back, they will be deadly at centre clearances.
Wait and see!
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I reckon Murphy is a gun.
Stevens back, they will be deadly at centre clearances.
Wait and see!
Stevens won't be the same he be worried about his neck & Murphy l agree
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But Carlton and Judd are understood to have discussed cutting Richmond out of the market with a first-year price tag of up to $2 million for the 2004 Brownlow medallist, if the Eagles and Tigers struck a deal.
Can anyone explain to me how this could work?
If Judd put $2m on his head for year one and Richmond passed, Carlton would have to put that $2m against his name for next year - how could they then pay the other players?
Both teams have the same salary cap. It's not a question of who has the deepest pockets nor Carlton actually paying him less - the whole $2m goes against his name. Neil Balme stated that anything above 1.2m to one player makes it virtually impossible to run your football department.
I'm still thinking about this.
Judd would have to have burnt WC for this to happen. Would he really do this? He wanted to leave the club on good terms, he has to go back for re-unions etc. Could you imagine the public outcry - his image would be forever tarnished. Stevens gets mentioned every year, imagine if Judd did it. Every time he touched the ball he'd get booed, Carlton would be attacked from every corner of the country, the AFL would be forced to take a stand etc etc.
No - it's garbage.
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How the hell did they get Richard Hadlee - he was very good before he got injured.
See where Mathews is not impressed - they've carried him for two years, he gets fit and says seeyalater.
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But Carlton and Judd are understood to have discussed cutting Richmond out of the market with a first-year price tag of up to $2 million for the 2004 Brownlow medallist, if the Eagles and Tigers struck a deal.
Can anyone explain to me how this could work?
If Judd put $2m on his head for year one and Richmond passed, Carlton would have to put that $2m against his name for next year - how could they then pay the other players?
Both teams have the same salary cap. It's not a question of who has the deepest pockets nor Carlton actually paying him less - the whole $2m goes against his name. Neil Balme stated that anything above 1.2m to one player makes it virtually impossible to run your football department.
I'm also keen to find out whether we ever discussed a deal with Carlton to take pick 3 and pass on Judd in the pre-season. Patrick Smith still claiming this in today's paper. I hope we didn't.
With Kouta, Lappin and Whitnall now gone, Carlton probably opened up enough salary cap space to pay $2m for the first year. As Judd, his manager and Carlton were colluding, Judd could agree to accepting "only" the remainder of his existing deal in the last 4 years so it wouldn't cost the Blues anymore. It's really tampering with the draft but as the Eagles caved it never got to that stage and the Blues go their man via a trade.
One question is going to be how the treatment of Kennedy will affect the Carlton players. Will there be any resentment or team disharmony?!
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I think the AFL stopped this trick after we did it with Gasper against the Dees ;D
I still have faith in what Balme said on SEN - any more that 1.2m for any one player makes it virtually impossible to operate. If it locked out Richmond it locked out Carlton.
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It was more a bluff than anything else but West Coast caved in.
I think the AFL stopped this trick after we did it with Gasper against the Dees ;D
When was that mjs? I remember Freo offering Gas $700k per year in 2001 even though it would have put them over the salary cap.
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Incidentally, Judd in turn appears on the verge of a deal with Pratt's Visy Board to become an environmental spokesman in another handy new partnership.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/carlton-looks-like-the-old-dark-navy-blues/2007/10/13/1191696241790.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
:whistle
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It was more a bluff than anything else but West Coast caved in.
I think the AFL stopped this trick after we did it with Gasper against the Dees ;D
When was that mjs? I remember Freo offering Gas $700k per year in 2001 even though it would have put them over the salary cap.
We got Gasper from Sydney in a pre-season draft and Melbourne had the pick before us. Gasper put a figure on his salary that Melbourne wouldn't pay and we took him - I think we didn't actually have to pay what he asked.
I heard this on SEN from Brian Waldren who went on to say that the AFL had then changed the rules.
On a different subject - from today's Age
" Buddy Franklin kicks goals on the field but off it he has some bad habits. Just ask Crown Casino waiters who were unlucky enough to work at Hawthorn's best and fairest last Saturday night. Franklin, described by our witness as "off his face" took a dislike to the chicken dinner and emptied his entire plate on the floor under the table.
His tean mates weren't impressed, let alone the unfortunate staff and embarassed sponsors"
Oh dear. I kinew there was another reason why we didn't take him ;D
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We got Gasper from Sydney in a pre-season draft and Melbourne had the pick before us. Gasper put a figure on his salary that Melbourne wouldn't pay and we took him - I think we didn't actually have to pay what he asked.
I heard this on SEN from Brian Waldren who went on to say that the AFL had then changed the rules.
Cheers mjs. I rememeber that now. That pick was a compensatory pick for losing Maxfield to Sydney.
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i have a conspiracy theory.
imo, i belive judd told the wce, to go with the trade and cave in or he would open up a "can of worms"
just my opinion , but have a gut feeling judd held the eagles for ransom
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http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22587275-11088,00.html
RICHMOND football manager Greg Miller has questioned West Coast's decision to reject his club's bid for Chris Judd in favour of a lesser one from Carlton.
Miller, who said the Brownlow medallist was worth the Blues’ No. 1 pick, said he thought the Tigers were still in the running for Judd as late last Tuesday afternoon, two days before the Carlton deal was done .
On the day the club rolled out its latest recruit, Jordan McMahon from the Western Bulldogs, Miller also refused to rule out a move for sacked former Carlton captain Lance Whitnall.
He said it would be the decsion of Tigers coach Terry Wallace.
"The pre-season draft is about the players that he (Wallace) chooses," Miller said.
"The senior coach will determine once the national draft is finished who is the best available player to help our list."
On the Judd trade, Miller said Carlton's offer of young West Australian-born forward Josh Kennedy was the clincher, despite Richmond offering better picks in return for the former Eagles captain's services.
"I thought Chris Judd was certainly worth choice one in the trade period,” Miller said today.
“I think Carlton’s done a pretty handy job getting him for choice three and choice 20 and a player.
"Our offer was there . . . choice two and two other choices.
“I’ve no doubt that if a deal had have gone through that Chris Judd would have been fine to play with the football club.
“His manager was talking the talk as he needed to do to get his player to Carlton.”
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Tigers gave Judd deal their best shot
2:44 PM Mon 15 October, 2007
By Jason Phelan
for richmondfc.com.au
RICHMOND director of football, Greg Miller, has assured supporters that the Tigers left no stone unturned in their audacious last-ditch bid to secure Chris Judd during trade week.
Miller was confident on Tuesday of the exchange period that his offer of the second overall pick with two other selections, reported to be picks 18 and 19, would get the job done. But he was dismayed when the Eagles went for what he felt was a clearly inferior offer from the Blues.
While not entirely happy with the way the whole saga unfolded, Miller wasn’t about to call for an AFL investigation into the deal.
“I’m not suggesting that at all. I’m saying that it’s important that Richmond people know that we gave it our best shot,” Miller said from the club’s Punt Road headquarters on Monday.
“I just thought that Chris Judd was certainly worth choice one in the trade period; I think Carlton’s done a pretty handy job getting him for choice three, choice 20 and a player. As everyone knows, we were [offering] choice two and two other choices.
“I think the decision came from the top and that’s their prerogative. We were out of the loop then, we just put our position and Carlton put theirs and Josh Kennedy obviously made an impression when he went over there and made the difference.
“That was their prerogative but we saw it differently and I’m not sure that their footy department didn’t see it differently either.”
Richmond was not in Judd’s initial group of preferred clubs - Essendon, Collingwood, Melbourne and Carlton - but Miller was confident of turning around the superstar’s thinking on the issue if his bid had been successful.
“I’ve got no doubt that, if the deal had of gone through, Chris Judd would have been fine to play with the Richmond Football Club,” he said.
“His manager was talking the talk, as he needed to do to get his player to Carlton, but there wasn’t going to be an issue if the Eagles traded with us that wouldn’t have seen him be okay through the pre-season.”
Despite losing out to the Blues in the race for Judd’s signature, Miller said the busy exchange period, which saw the club snare ex-Bulldog Jordan McMahon and former Eagle Mitch Morton, had taken the steam out of the push for free agency.
“I think it’s important for the AFL that the trade period stands up,” he said.
“We all know there’s been a strong push from the players’ association to introduce free agency, but I’m not sure any of the clubs really want free agency. It’s important the trade period worked, I think it has, I think Chris Judd got to where he wanted to go.
“I think 20 players have moved around in the system so that defeats a lot of the players’ association arguments.”
http://richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=52493
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i have a conspiracy theory.
imo, i belive judd told the wce, to go with the trade and cave in or he would open up a "can of worms"
just my opinion , but have a gut feeling judd held the eagles for ransom
Miller without saying it directly was alluding yesterday and today that perhaps another party (the AFL) got involved in this.
I'd prefer us to just move on.
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the afl are ruining this game they get involved when it doesnt concern them and when they should step in all we get is.
"nothing will be changed people who think this way are delusional"
over their crap
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPPxCEIC0gA
funny stuff if u havent seen it
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Either way Judd is a football mercenary
Vladimir likes getting paid in brown paper bags
and Pratt likes paying people with brain paper bags.
Money talks bullsh1t walks. Its as simple as that.
Get over it lads. I as cut as the next true Richmond fan.
All I hope is there is a steely determination in the player group
instilled over summer from TW and Miller and they come out firing
like the 1973 Grannie and put those Carlscum bastards where they belong.
Deep into the MCG turf head first. Especially that hard centre wicket area
in the middle come March where the cricket pitch would have been
no more than two weeks earlier. :thumbsup
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Either way Judd is a football mercenary
Vladimir likes getting paid in brown paper bags
and Pratt likes paying people with brain paper bags.
Money talks bullsh1t walks. Its as simple as that.
Get over it lads. I as cut as the next true Richmond fan.
All I hope is there is a steely determination in the player group
instilled over summer from TW and Miller and they come out firing
like the 1973 Grannie and put those Carlscum bastards where they belong.
Deep into the MCG turf head first. Especially that hard centre wicket area
in the middle come March where the cricket pitch would have been
no more than two weeks earlier. :thumbsup
spot on pal, spot on
id almost go as far to say i couldnt care less if we went on to lose the next 10 games after round 1 if it meant we would smash the blues in round 1
ooh my god how good would that feel
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Billionaire Richard Pratt might have to quit as Carlton Football Club president after his admission that his company Visy ran the biggest price-fixing cartel in Australian corporate history.
Board members of clubs or companies that hold gaming licences must be assessed for their suitability by the Victorian Commission for Gaming Regulation.
The Gambling Regulation Act requires a person seeking a gaming licence to be "of good repute, having regard to character, honesty and integrity".
http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/pratt-presidency-in-doubt/2007/10/23/1192941065447.html
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The AFL have looked after Carlton in the draw. They get to play us, Collingwood and Essendon in the first 3 rounds. Nice of the AFL to boost the Blues' coffers :chuck
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and its no surprise they have a powerfull president not like our weak one.
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Who needs a strong president when you receive AFL charity after charity :whistle
In less than a month, Carlton will break new ground as the first team in AFL history to use three successive No. 1 selections at the draft when it picks Northern Knights ruckman Matthew Kreuzer.
The AFL has even joined the party. It has loaned Carlton money interest-free, guided the club's future direction, overlooked the club's systematic half-season fadeout and, it even seems, inclined to ignore Richard Pratt's white-collar crimes.
In short, Carlton is back on track.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22659215%255E19742,00.html
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money talks
bs walks
effing cheats :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Who needs a strong president when you receive AFL charity after charity :whistle
In less than a month, Carlton will break new ground as the first team in AFL history to use three successive No. 1 selections at the draft when it picks Northern Knights ruckman Matthew Kreuzer.
The AFL has even joined the party. It has loaned Carlton money interest-free, guided the club's future direction, overlooked the club's systematic half-season fadeout and, it even seems, inclined to ignore Richard Pratt's white-collar crimes.
In short, Carlton is back on track.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22659215%255E19742,00.html
yes and why u ask??? because the afl wants them up and running and winning flags again.
they dont care about the norths, geelong even, buldogs etc etc they just want the blues, pies and so on right back up there.
Why not include the tigers in that. im guessing if we make the finals and start getting into the top 4 that may be a bonus for these money hungry afl pigs. they know there on a winner with those 2 teams above.
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There's little reward for Clubs who work themselves out of financial difficulty like Richmond is doing yet we have to compete against clubs who receive a unfair advantage by receiving CBF money from the AFL. While we are scrimping these other clubs like Carlton and Melbourne can come out and claim million profits courtesy of AFL charity >:(. The CBF was meant to balance these clubs books; not give them money to waste on number printing machines for merchandise ::).
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Same old Carlton thinking they are above the rules ::)
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Blues plan to sidestep gaming regulations to keep Pratt at helm
Stephen Rielly | November 5, 2007
CARLTON says it has plans to ensure Richard Pratt remains president of the club in the event that the Victorian Commission for Gaming Regulation deems him unsuitable to hold a gaming licence.
The club would not detail how it intended to engineer Pratt's stay if he was denied a licence, but it is understood that ownership of the 100 gaming machines Carlton operates could be transferred to a new or separate entity to sidestep the problem.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/plan-to-keep-pratt-at-helm/2007/11/04/1194117878806.html
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and its no surprise they have a powerfull president not like our weak one.
gee you really do have NFI!!!
Our club has done wonders off the field. Your obviously too young to remember our past but i can tell you right now its a hell of alot better off field now than what its been for almost an eternity!!!
How in the world you continually arrive at some/most of your little pearlers never ceases to amaze me.
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hey blx ur right i am probabaly younger than you and thats sad on ur behalf cause clearly your the one who has NFI as u put it.
read my posts tosser i support our team when we got a new sponsor and critisize when we make stupid desicions like in recruiting. well woopty bloody doo sue me.
im sure more than ever its people like you who sit their in the stands bagging players like richo and then come on this thing acting high and mighty like you support and love everything richmnond do on and off the field.
so our president is very vocal and strong is he? give me a break. off field yes we r great and best position ever financially but i never mentioned that loser i said he was weak and i still stand by that.
listen carefully pal, next time u shoot ur mouth off consider everyone on this thing loves this footy club and are entitled to their opinion so get back to your stitching or whatever u "old"people do
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hey blx ur right i am probabaly younger than you and thats sad on ur behalf cause clearly your the one who has NFI as u put it.
read my posts tosser i support our team when we got a new sponsor and critisize when we make stupid desicions like in recruiting. well woopty bloody doo sue me.
im sure more than ever its people like you who sit their in the stands bagging players like richo and then come on this thing acting high and mighty like you support and love everything richmnond do on and off the field.
so our president is very vocal and strong is he? give me a break. off field yes we r great and best position ever financially but i never mentioned that loser i said he was weak and i still stand by that.
listen carefully pal, next time u shoot ur mouth off consider everyone on this thing loves this footy club and are entitled to their opinion so get back to your stitching or whatever u "old"people do
:nopity :nopity :nopity
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One for the conspiracy theorists.....
.... we know good leadership is about consistency, and league chief executive Andrew Demetriou is mightily proud of the role his organisation plays in the community.
Indeed, he knocks up telling players they must accept they are role models in society.
Yet all we have from the AFL is silence and from Carlton a contingency plan to ensure Pratt remains president if gaming authorities who oversee the club's right to poker machines rule he is unsuitable to hold a licence.
By saying and doing nothing in the face of Carlton's actions, the AFL is effectively condoning Pratt's offences.
The fact that Demetriou, between 2002 and 2006, was non-executive chairman of a waste management company in which Pratt's company had invested heavily would play no part in any league decision to remain silent.
But it is the sort of thing that leaves Demetriou, and therefore, the AFL, open to the conspiracy theorists.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22709527%255E19742,00.html
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Ch 9 news announced the AFL are going to go after Pratt over why he should he remain president of Carlton.
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Ch 9 news announced the AFL are going to go after Pratt over why he should he remain president of Carlton.
Hopefully the AFL are fair dinkum and look deep into the Pratt Carlton wheeling and dealings and punish the club appropriately. I hope the AFL just do not sweep all this under the rug and merely call on this investigation to appease any negative perception there is outside of the Carlton Football Club. Either way even if Pratt is forced to resign the damage has been done with the recruitment of Judd. Hopefully it sets them back another 10 or so years.
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The AFL should take Carltons priority pick from them, they got it in farcical manner anyway, and they should also take the West Coasts pick 3 and 13 away for the crap that there club has put the league through. Its time for the AFL to get tough.
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yes they should ramps but THEY WONT and i can bet my left testy on that.
collingwood=coin
carlton=coin
get my drift
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The AFL should take Carltons priority pick from them, they got it in farcical manner anyway, and they should also take the West Coasts pick 3 and 13 away for the crap that there club has put the league through. Its time for the AFL to get tough.
As much as we would all love that to happen we know it won't. Pratt's white collar crime will be seen as committed outside the AFL (so nothing to do with Carlton) and West Coast will get off because the AFL supported them when Cousins was first suspended. The AFL will only ban Cousins from ever playing again at any level so they appear tough on drugs to appease the Federal Government and sponsors. They might force Pratt to step down as Blues' president but Carlton don't really need him anymore in an official position. He's got them what they wanted thanks to the AFL giving them undeserved freebies like first pick >:(.
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AFL commission may call Richard Pratt
November 11, 2007 - 7:44PM | The Age
The AFL is considering calling disgraced billionaire and Carlton Football Club president Richard Pratt before the AFL commission.
Pratt would be required to justify that he is a "fit and proper person" to be a club president, the Nine Network reported.
Pratt's future as club president was called into question after the Federal Court two weeks ago fined him and his Visy group of companies $36 million for price-fixing.
The Victorian Commission for Gambling regulation is also yet to rule whether Pratt is suitable to hold a gaming licence, the network reported.
The club has over 100 poker machines.
Carlton CEO Greg Swann last week went into bat for the president, issuing a statement saying the legal matter is separate to the Carlton Football club and relates to matters that took place and ended well before Mr Pratt was invited to join the Carlton board.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/Sport/AFL-commission-may-call-Richard-Pratt/2007/11/11/1194766503529.html
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So much for the AFL's concern...
A spokesman for AFL chief executive, Andrew Demetriou, said that the question of Pratt's suitability for AFL office was not on the commission's agenda "at this point".
"The commission has not discussed Richard Pratt so far," he said. "And with the next meeting a week away, when the future of Ben Cousins will be dealt with, it's fair to say everyone would want more time to prepare for an issue like that if it arose."
Patrick Smith reckons Pratt will resign anyway to avoid any enquiry and bad press for Carlton. (http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/pratt-may-lose-presidency/2007/11/11/1194766508473.html?page=stuff.[/url)
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Big deal about Pratt - Makes no difference at all what happens, he has done what he came for.
And besides he can still pass around the 'Brown paper bags' whether he is at the club or not.
Really hope we smash the prix rnd 1 - cheating scum and u can't tell me otherwise.
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Big deal about Pratt - Makes no difference at all what happens, he has done what he came for.
And besides he can still pass around the 'Brown paper bags' whether he is at the club or not.
Really hope we smash the prix rnd 1 - cheating scum and u can't tell me otherwise.
If a class action is brought against him, that $36M will seem like pocket money.
I don't think Mr Pratt will be travelling too well if that happens. There were figures of over $700M floating around.
He does sound like a great bloke, and I feel sorry for him, but he's ripped off a lot of people.
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He does sound like a great bloke, and I feel sorry for him, but he's ripped off a lot of people.
So a filthy rich prik that rips off the common stuff can still be a great bloke. To catch a phrase from a former carlscum pres PIGS ARS E
May be a 'Good bloke' on the face of it, but deep down just an A class ****
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May be a 'Good bloke' on the face of it, but deep down just an A class cnut
If it makes you happy to say that! ::)
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Really hope we smash the prix rnd 1 - cheating scum and u can't tell me otherwise.
Morton BOG, Judd a dud. We score the best out of the Eagles trades.
I hope we smash them big time.
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Pratt said today he still expects to be Carlton president next year.
Source: Ch 9.
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Pratt said today he still expects to be Carlton president next year.
Source: Ch 9.
I don't doubt it. Pratt would not be used to not getting his own way. I think it is pretty safe to assume that there will be no AFL sanctions for Pratt. When you have 5 billion dollars it really isn't about the money any more, it's about power and rogering young fellows like Andrew Demitriou right up the proverbial. AD would enjoy every minute of it, all the way to the bank.
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According to Swann, Pratt won't have to go before the AFL commission and their argument is what happened with VISY is irrelevant to Carlton. So Swann and their board want Pratt to stay on.
Source: SEN
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Poor Andy D and co. can only discuss one thing at a time at each AFL meeting so Pratt gets off the hook thanks to Benny's antics.
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Poor Andy D and co. can only discuss one thing at a time at each AFL meeting so Pratt gets off the hook thanks to Benny's antics.
Is it Andy or Mike stuff pulling strings here.
Anything to do with Carlton lately gets treated favourably.
Tanking, President, priority picks.
Something smells that's for sure :banghead
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Poor Andy D and co. can only discuss one thing at a time at each AFL meeting so Pratt gets off the hook thanks to Benny's antics.
Is it Andy or Mike stuff pulling strings here.
Anything to do with Carlton lately gets treated favourably.
Tanking, President, priority picks.
Something smells that's for sure :banghead
As was pointed out in the Herald-Sun a week ago, Andy D is open to conspiracy theories in regards to Pratt.
The fact that Demetriou, between 2002 and 2006, was non-executive chairman of a waste management company in which Pratt's company had invested heavily would play no part in any league decision to remain silent.
But it is the sort of thing that leaves Demetriou, and therefore, the AFL, open to the conspiracy theorists.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22709527%255E19742,00.html
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Poor Andy D and co. can only discuss one thing at a time at each AFL meeting so Pratt gets off the hook thanks to Benny's antics.
Is it Andy or Mike stuff pulling strings here.
Anything to do with Carlton lately gets treated favourably.
Tanking, President, priority picks.
Something smells that's for sure :banghead
As was pointed out in the Herald-Sun a week ago, Andy D is open to conspiracy theories in regards to Pratt.
The fact that Demetriou, between 2002 and 2006, was non-executive chairman of a waste management company in which Pratt's company had invested heavily would play no part in any league decision to remain silent.
But it is the sort of thing that leaves Demetriou, and therefore, the AFL, open to the conspiracy theorists.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22709527%255E19742,00.html
And he had some dealings with the West Coast too. So what are supporters supposed to make of all this?
We all know if it was us, we'd be in huge trouble.
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Poor Andy D and co. can only discuss one thing at a time at each AFL meeting so Pratt gets off the hook thanks to Benny's antics.
Is it Andy or Mike stuff pulling strings here.
Anything to do with Carlton lately gets treated favourably.
Tanking, President, priority picks.
Something smells that's for sure :banghead
As was pointed out in the Herald-Sun a week ago, Andy D is open to conspiracy theories in regards to Pratt.
The fact that Demetriou, between 2002 and 2006, was non-executive chairman of a waste management company in which Pratt's company had invested heavily would play no part in any league decision to remain silent.
But it is the sort of thing that leaves Demetriou, and therefore, the AFL, open to the conspiracy theorists.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22709527%255E19742,00.html
And he had some dealings with the West Coast too. So what are supporters supposed to make of all this?
We all know if it was us, we'd be in huge trouble.
Conflict of interest doesn't seem to matter anymore?!
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from today's Age:
In a radio interview on SEN earlier this month, Demetriou said: "People will form their own views of Richard Pratt, but he's been one of the great philanthropists in this country. He's made a significant contribution in many areas and he's also continued to make a significant contribution to this football club.
"Has he brought the AFL or the game into disrepute? … from where we sit … he hasn't, because he's been co-operating. He certainly hasn't been objective to what's been going on, he hasn't challenged it. He's accepted what's been forthcoming and the people who have admitted to being responsible have moved on."
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/pratt-ready-to-fight-for-his-job/2007/11/12/1194766589007.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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from today's Age:
In a radio interview on SEN earlier this month, Demetriou said: "People will form their own views of Richard Pratt, but he's been one of the great philanthropists in this country. He's made a significant contribution in many areas and he's also continued to make a significant contribution to this football club.
"Has he brought the AFL or the game into disrepute? … from where we sit … he hasn't, because he's been co-operating. He certainly hasn't been objective to what's been going on, he hasn't challenged it. He's accepted what's been forthcoming and the people who have admitted to being responsible have moved on."
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/pratt-ready-to-fight-for-his-job/2007/11/12/1194766589007.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
Being desperately cynical I would say he has far too much money to bring the game into disrepute. AD knows it, he's standing at Pratt's feet waiting for any scraps to fall. Business is the religion of money and Pratt is a high priest. Acolytes like AD are there to serve on their way to becoming high priests or die in the attempt. Cousins was a mere entertainment, the fool if you like, so he can be sacrificed at the alter for the amusement of the true believers. The mistake old Elliot made was losing his money at the same time as being caught diddling the books. The worshippers turn into rabid dogs at the first sign of weakness.
Personally I don't care how much money Pratt has. Good luck to him, I don't pray at that alter so it has little meaning to me. But don't try to fool me with your rubbish rhetoric AD, I simply don't believe you.
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I am not advocating what Ben Cousins has done, but he never got caught match day using drugs, it was done in his own time. His performances never seemed to suffer as a result of him using the gear.
He is in the news for doing wrong, as is Richard Pratt, but one is bringing the game into disrepute and one isn't?
He's a great philanthropist??? Where did the money come from in the first place for him to give away?
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He's a great philanthropist??? Where did the money come from in the first place for him to give away?
Exactly and how it that relevant anyway to Pratt and Visy deliberately ripping people off.
Did anyone hear Patrick Smith and John Elliott's "tiff" this morning? Elliott still in denial that Carlton cheated under his reign ::).
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Did anyone hear Patrick Smith and John Elliott's "tiff" this morning? Elliott still in denial that Carlton cheated under his reign ::).
Yeah they replayed it just before 12.00pm
Big John carrying on about Patrick attacking Pratt, Patrick carrying on about Big John having no credibility, Big John telling Patrick "don't attack me now Patrick - you (patrick) are a disgrace.....
Both of them coming across as having the credibility of a pea :rollin
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Did anyone hear Patrick Smith and John Elliott's "tiff" this morning? Elliott still in denial that Carlton cheated under his reign ::).
Yeah... :lol
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No.5 Chris Judd ---> No.9 Trent Cotchin
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Did anyone hear Patrick Smith and John Elliott's "tiff" this morning? Elliott still in denial that Carlton cheated under his reign ::).
Yeah they replayed it just before 12.00pm
Big John carrying on about Patrick attacking Pratt, Patrick carrying on about Big John having no credibility, Big John telling Patrick "don't attack me now Patrick - you (patrick) are a disgrace.....
Both of them coming across as having the credibility of a pea :rollin
Yep that's the one. Both just being their usual selves lol.
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let sleeping dogs lie.
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let sleeping dogs lie.
Unfortunately, sleeping dogs are all poor old Elliot has left.
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They replayed it just before on SEN. Maybe the money they saved on the Barry Hall vs Willie Mason fight could be used for Smith vs Jack.
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League not fussed at Pratt's cartel connection
21 November 2007 | Herald Sun | Damian Barrett
idiot Pratt's status as Carlton president remains sound in the eyes of the AFL, after the league's commissioners all but dismissed the matter in a meeting on Monday.
AFL Commission chairman Mike stuff said his board gave Pratt's role with the Blues scant attention and refused to commit to reaching a formal position on him being allowed to continue.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22794520%255E19742,00.html
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bunch of corrupt poo pushin boys club bandits
al of them
bet if it was gary march he would be told to pack his bags
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of course he would blx.
they want carlton up there winning flags again, as they do collingwood
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Don't do drugs but white collar crime is okay kiddies ???
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of course he would blx.
they want carlton up there winning flags again, as they do collingwood
erm, who you speaking to ???
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Don't do drugs but white collar crime is okay kiddies ???
Only if
a) You get away with it. Getting caught is ok as long as you get to keep most of your spoils
OR
b) Have enough money to make getting caught meaningless.
OR
c) Are in the position to give the people that make the decisions something they want.
I think Pratt qualifies for both a), b) and c).
Business is not the justice system. There is no place for morals in business.
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Don't do drugs but white collar crime is okay kiddies ???
Dave Chappelle does an excellent skit which reverses the way drug dealers and white collar criminals are treated.
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Don't do drugs but white collar crime is okay kiddies ???
Dave Chappelle does an excellent skit which reverses the way drug dealers and white collar criminals are treated.
Dave Chappelle is a classic. Is there a Youtube link at all Wayne??
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Thank you idiot?
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22799830-2862,00.html
Nah. Not even I am that cynical. :rollin
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Don't do drugs but white collar crime is okay kiddies ???
Dave Chappelle does an excellent skit which reverses the way drug dealers and white collar criminals are treated.
Dave Chappelle is a classic. Is there a Youtube link at all Wayne??
No tiga, I can't find one.
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Don't do drugs but white collar crime is okay kiddies ???
Only if
a) You get away with it. Getting caught is ok as long as you get to keep most of your spoils
OR
b) Have enough money to make getting caught meaningless.
OR
c) Are in the position to give the people that make the decisions something they want.
I think Pratt qualifies for both a), b) and c).
Business is not the justice system. There is no place for morals in business.
OR d) Are in a position where you have done favours for or business with the people making the decisions and they return the favour :whistle.
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OR d) Are in a position where you have done favours for or business with the people making the decisions and they return the favour :whistle.
Mt, this sort of behaviour is actually directly related to a medical condition called "Andrewmetriousis" ;) :lol
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OR d) Are in a position where you have done favours for or business with the people making the decisions and they return the favour :whistle.
Mt, this sort of behaviour is actually directly related to a medical condition called "Andrewmetriousis" ;) :lol
;D
I believe that's very similar to another condition called Adrianandersonosis where symptons include a compulsive urge to fix things that ain't broken ;)
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Round 1 2008
Pretty close game til half time with Carlton sneaking out to about a 3-4 goal lead.
Richmond come at them a couple of times, but Carlton manage to hold us off.
Then BANG before you now it Carlton are out to 10 goals up late in the 3rd and it is all falling apart again.
One passage of play in the backline McMahon backs himeself with the ball and breaks a tackle getting caught high then nabbed by another blue while in a headlock, ends up going to ground.
And guess what - Carlton free for holding the ball (Crowd goes ballistic), but once again it is all too late and a disastrous start with a 100 point loss looming aginst the Blues of all teams in the first game and the umps obviously not going to give us a go this year either.
Then I woke up - Man some dreams are just tooooooo real and I was feeling quite ill 'seriously' and down for an hour or so after waking.
NB: The game in the dream was at the turd dome - So let's hope it wasn't a premonition.
If we start like that - I would say sack Wallace straight away. :help
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For me CUB next years round 1 game gives our club the opportunity to get some closure on a dark chapter in our history.
In round 1 1983 we played Carlton at Princes Park. This game went along the similar lines you graphically described although the margins were different and after we were 18 points down at 3 quarter time the Bluescum kicked 7 goals to 1 in the last to win by 60 points. This game to me signifies to me the moment in time that our club embarked on this future with no success and very little optimism that has stood up to our distress for the last 25 years.
Historically whenever we play Carlton in round 1 as the away side we lose and we have an awful season as indicated also in 1981 when we were the reigning premier and endured a 62 point loss and never recovered with injuries and narrow defeats combining to leave us in 7th spot and last year which we have spoken about enough.
To me this presents an opportunity for the Richmond Football Club in round 1 next year to embark on a new era and close the history book on the last 25 years of pain .
An opportunity to defeat the Blues and open a new history book on the Richmond Football. One that will have our fortunes on the up. I would find that so apt especially against an adversary who has inflincted so much pain on us over the last 25 years as well as confining them to the scrapheap and prolonging their so called draft and brown paper bag money renaissance. An adversary who has been there firsthand and has inflicted that pain so joyously on us. It is time to change this now and send them to oblivion. I want to see those dogs bleed for much longer b/c even though they have won 3 spoons in the last 5 or so years we have won 2 to take the gloss of my joy at their failure. Let them acquire spoons and failure for eternity. For me next years result in Round 1 will either signify our return or Carlton's return so emotionally I have alot riding on it considering the seasons we both had in 07. To use a political parlance that we have been exposed to recently we need to sweep to power in round 1 next year to change the course of history for the better.
Since our premiership in 1980 here are the moments in history that Carlton have been there first hand to inflict pain on our club and why we must turn the tables on these scumbuckets next year.
Round 1 1981 Waverley
Carlton 3 3 21 10 7 67 13 9 87 22 12 144
Richmond 1 3 9 3 4 22 8 7 55 12 10 82
Hunter and Bosustows first game and we as reigning premiers get thumped and don't recover.
Round 22 1981 MCG
Richmond 1 6 12 2 8 20 3 9 27 5 10 40
Carlton 3 4 22 5 9 39 8 12 60 9 13 67
Needed to win this game to make the finals in wet conditions. We didn't and the skunks subsequent loss to Fitzroy hand the Lions a finals spot and the Blues first spot going on into the finals and an eventual premiership. Our failure to beat Carlton turned out to be their ultimate success..........
1982 Grand Final MCG
Richmond 4 3 27 9 4 58 9 10 64 12 13 85
Carlton 4 7 31 6 11 47 11 15 81 14 19 103
After beating them comfortably in the 2nd semi we couldn't repeat the feat on the biggest stage of all even though we should have called for a head count when Helen D'amico ran onto the ground to annul Carlton's score. Carlton went on to back to back flags.
1983 Round 1 Princes Park
Carlton 4 0 24 8 6 54 13 9 87 20 16 136
Richmond 4 3 27 7 4 46 10 9 69 11 10 76
The day our fortunes changed on field forever after a summer of discontent with Raines Wood and Cloke defecting to other clubs and leaving our stocks on and off the field alot thinner and who else was there to inflict the pain Carlton.
1983 Sterling Cup Final Waverley
Carlton 2 7 19 8 7 55 12 10 82 14 16 100
Richmond 1 1 7 3 1 19 5 4 34 10 6 66
After a poor year on field to date the opportunity to beat the Blues to at least somewhat erase the memories of the 82 day Grand Final and our heavy round 1 loss to the Blues slip through our fingers and when the final siren sounds we have to endure scenes of navy blue success at our expence.
1989 Round 6 Waverley
Carlton 4 3 27 10 6 66 11 10 76 15 12 102
Richmond 4 2 26 6 7 43 8 11 59 9 12 66
Carlton lose their first 5 games of the season worst start in years. We are a respectable 2-3 and coming off a 37 point win against the Roos where we kicked 26 goals. Guess what the Blues break their duck against us and they finish mid table after a change of coach where their only win to rd 11 was against us and we win 3 more times for the year on our way to our 2nd wooden spoon in 3 seasons. Thank you very much Carlton.
1994 Round 21 Optus Oval
Carlton 8 2 50 13 3 81 20 7 127 25 11 161
Richmond 3 3 21 3 6 24 5 9 39 6 12 48
After an early season loss to competition whipping boys Sydney we recover to win 6 on end at a later point in time and be on line to cement our spot in the finals for the first time in 12 years. Oh yes Fraser Brown kicks 7 of his 12 career goals this day and we just freeze like a rabbit in the headlights. Our % plummets dramatically after this loss and is done no more favours the following week after Geelong finish with us bye bye September. As a side dish Carlton lose to Essendon in round 22 and then lose both their finals against Melbourne and Geelong just to rub the salt into the wounds that little bit more.
Round 22 2000
Carlton 4 1 25 6 5 41 13 7 85 19 11 125
Richmond 2 3 15 4 5 29 6 10 46 7 10 52
After sitting at 8-4 in third spot after round 12 injuries and suspension start ravaging the squad and hence results take a downward spiral after a 5 game winning streak. A one point loss to Sydney who are not finals bound and playing for pride coinciding with a dogs win over Essendon their only loss for the year and then a Hawthorn win over the Dogs leave us with a task of beating Carlton by 24-30 points to make the finals. Our decaying and sorry carcass was licked clean by the Blues who relished in another opportunity inflict pain on us after they had lost 3 in a row. To make matters worse the Blues lost the following week in the first week of the finals.
Round 14 2002 MCG
Carlton 3 5 23 6 6 42 10 6 66 13 8 86
Richmond 4 3 27 8 5 53 10 10 70 12 13 85
Carlton have lost 10 in a row we have lost 5 in a row. Carlton have not looked like winning for weeks and guess what they do this Friday night against us. Despite this we lead for 90% of the match however boom Carlton recruit Corey McKernan plays his one and only decent game tonight for the Blues and kicks five including what turned out to be the winner after Ty Zantuck misses from the 10 yard square with 1 minute remaining. Our season was going nowhere but after 5 losses and watching Carlton slide to the bottom of the table after their worst loss sequence in history it would have been satisfying to say the least however it was like trying to get the easy girl at the bar that every bloke seems to get except she turned you down for some reason. Tigers v Blues once again we leave empty handed.
Round 1 2007 MCG
Carlton 5 5 35 6 11 47 10 17 77 15 25 115
Richmond 5 2 32 10 4 64 13 7 85 15 8 98
After leading Carlton by 27 points 12 minutes into the 3rd quarter an errant handball in our fwd 50 by Hyde where we had the numbers by 3-1 allowed Carlton to force a throw in. From that point on the game changed and we started chip chip chipping and Carlton chip chip chipped away at our lead and eventually overran us by 17 points. We would not win our first game until round 12. Carlton would win their last game in round 11. Obviously we never recovered Carlton tanked took a priority pick and Chris Judd away from us as well. Pain pain pain .
As Gough Whitlam campaigned in 1972. Yes its time
Time for Richmond to put the ghosts of Carlton to sleep for good
Time for progress
Its time to beat the Blues and inflict pain on them
Yes Its Time
Time to leave the Blues for Dead
Time to hit success on the head
Time to change the script that has been always read
Yes its time
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Round 1 2008
Pretty close game til half time with Carlton sneaking out to about a 3-4 goal lead.
Richmond come at them a couple of times, but Carlton manage to hold us off.
Then BANG before you now it Carlton are out to 10 goals up late in the 3rd and it is all falling apart again.
One passage of play in the backline McMahon backs himeself with the ball and breaks a tackle getting caught high then nabbed by another blue while in a headlock, ends up going to ground.
And guess what - Carlton free for holding the ball (Crowd goes ballistic), but once again it is all too late and a disastrous start with a 100 point loss looming aginst the Blues of all teams in the first game and the umps obviously not going to give us a go this year either.
Then I woke up - Man some dreams are just tooooooo real and I was feeling quite ill 'seriously' and down for an hour or so after waking.
NB: The game in the dream was at the turd dome - So let's hope it wasn't a premonition.
If we start like that - I would say sack Wallace straight away. :help
You're not up to your 3rd strike are you CUB ;D.
Let's hope it's more like Simmo taps it down to Cogs who handballs to Foley charging pass. He gets it to Cotchin who passes lace out to Richo on the lead who gives it off to Lids over the top to Browny who weaves around 3 Bluebaggers and from the boundary kicks a banana to seal the game for the Tiges. Judd held to just 9 possies by Jacko :thumbsup.
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Prefer these results HT74 :yep
Round 12 1988 MCG
Richmond 1.4 4.10 9.18 15.20-110
Carlton 5.6 7.12 9.16 12.21-93
Friday night at the 'G. Reigning premiers Carlton who are 9-2 are expected to have no trouble dispensing of the reigning wooden spooners and 2-9 bottom placed Tigers. No one told KB's cubs as they cause the boilover the season. The Blues still make the finals but their form for the rest of the year is average after that game and they lose 2 out of 3 of their finals to be eliminated.
Round 22 1997 Princes Park
Richmond 2.3 6.7 10.10 13.13-91
Carlton 7.1 10.5 13.6 13.11-89
The Blues need to win to make the finals while we have nothing to play for. Carlton leads by 42 points early in the second quarter before the Tiges comeback to hit the front with only a minute to go. Blues miss the finals.
Semi-Final 2001 MCG
Richmond 2.5 6.7 9.7 10.7-67
Carlton 0.2 5.5 6.10 7.14-56
Send Carlton into the wilderness in their last final to date.
Round 7 2005 MCG
Richmond 7.4 13.8 19.11 23.13-151
Carlton 0.2 1.3 5.3 10.6-66
A first half annihlation where we kick the first 13 goals straight spirals the Blues for the rest of the year towards a wooden spoon. Our greatest winning margin over them.
Round 5 Docklands and Round 20 MCG 2006
Richmond 4.3 13.5 16.13 21.14-140
Carlton 5.2 8.6 13.7 14.11-95
Richmond 2.3 7.12 11.15 12.20-92
Carlton 5.4 8.7 9.13 11.18-84
Do the double over the archenemy as they go back-to-back spoons.
Also don't forget that we're 17-4 in finals against the bluebaggers and 4 of our 10 flags have come at their expense ;). Let's make it more :thumbsup
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They do make happier reading than the ones I mentioned HT. I just hate them so so so much I can't help but feel nothing but vitriol towards them. I just hope we are primed and fired up against that cheating scum. The 1982 Grannie has sat withb me since then like a lump in my throat.
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beating them in round 1 for me personally would be like winning a final.
thats how much i hate those pricks and after all the crap we copped i couldnt think of anything better
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They do make happier reading than the ones I mentioned HT. I just hate them so so so much I can't help but feel nothing but vitriol towards them. I just hope we are primed and fired up against that cheating scum. The 1982 Grannie has sat withb me since then like a lump in my throat.
We were talking about this at training. The way they have manipulated the draft and scored Judd thanks to the AFL giving them first pick despite not finishing last has reminded everyone why we hate them so much.
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They do make happier reading than the ones I mentioned HT. I just hate them so so so much I can't help but feel nothing but vitriol towards them. I just hope we are primed and fired up against that cheating scum. The 1982 Grannie has sat withb me since then like a lump in my throat.
We were talking about this at training. The way they have manipulated the draft and scored Judd thanks to the AFL giving them first pick despite not finishing last has reminded everyone why we hate them so much.
That's why come round 1 we are fired up for it beat them and let them know they can cheat all they like but they can still get priority picks come the end of the year b/c they are absolute crap. Eat them alive.
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bee dee on BF says that Judd's groin may have flared up again.
This is the guy that unearthed details on the praccy match Richmond had when Collard kicked 4.
He seems to be hit and miss though in regards to his rumours, so make of it what you will.
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Glenn Luff from Champion Data and the AFL prospectus just said on SEN that they rank Carlton's midfield now the best ??? just ahead of Brisbane's. He said you can roll off 10 Blues' midfield names.
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bee dee on BF says that Judd's groin may have flared up again.
This is the guy that unearthed details on the praccy match Richmond had when Collard kicked 4.
He seems to be hit and miss though in regards to his rumours, so make of it what you will.
On SEN this morning they said Judd's groin is 90% right so someone is telling porkies.
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Glenn Luff from Champion Data and the AFL prospectus just said on SEN that they rank Carlton's midfield now the best ??? just ahead of Brisbane's. He said you can roll off 10 Blues' midfield names.
We shall see I suppose. It certainly cost them enough it would want to be good. :yep
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i think the 90% is a bit fanciful, lets say 70% :whistle, and i certainly trust my source within the CFC.
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bee dee on BF says that Judd's groin may have flared up again.
This is the guy that unearthed details on the praccy match Richmond had when Collard kicked 4.
He seems to be hit and miss though in regards to his rumours, so make of it what you will.
On SEN this morning they said Judd's groin is 90% right so someone is telling porkies.
90% is not 100, and if they say 90, they are admitting not all is right and as r3 says more like 70 or even 50
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i think the 90% is a bit fanciful, lets say 70% :whistle, and i certainly trust my source within the CFC.
Even if 90% is closest to the truth, thats great news. He will be missing serious pre-season conditioning if his groin isn't 100% right now and that could mean a slow start to the season at best or a whole season of niggling soft tissue setbacks at worst. We can only hope. :pray
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I hope he's fit and we still smash them in round 1 :gotigers
Glenn Luff from Champion Data and the AFL prospectus just said on SEN that they rank Carlton's midfield now the best ??? just ahead of Brisbane's. He said you can roll off 10 Blues' midfield names.
We shall see I suppose. It certainly cost them enough it would want to be good. :yep
Funny how they can be the best without even playing a game :wallywink.
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Chris Judd will not make his first appearance in a match for Carlton until about round three of the NAB Cup depending on the hardness of the ground.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/blues-finding-their-inner-pride/2008/01/31/1201714152472.html
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This is probably another bomberblitz ploy to trick to the media into publishing false info like they did once with the Age and West Australian but here's their "info" on Judd:
http://www.bomberblitz.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=38810
Judd bombshell after surgery stuff-up
Carlton fans hopes that Chris Judd will bring them finals success has taken a massive dive with the fresh revelation that he may break down as early as July/August 2008.
In what has been described as one of the biggest trades in AFL/VFL history, the Carlton football Club delivered to their members what some supporters described as the best news the club had delivered in years. The news, that Chris Judd will be wearing a Carlton jumper, may be short-lived. It may now be a question of how long will he last.
A leading Melbourne orthopaedic surgeon claims that the surgery Judd has undergone is simply a ‘stuff up’ and it will only be a matter of time before the injury worsens and Judd breaks down again, potentially permanently.
A source close to bomberblitz has suggested that leading Victorian orthopaedic surgeon David Young, also orthopaedic surgeon to Western Bulldogs, was contacted in 2007 in regards to the Judd injury but the news the Judd camp received was not what they were looking for.
Judd opted for surgery in Sydney which has since been claimed as a success, however, it has been suggested that the surgery was in fact a quick fix and not the type many leading orthopaedic surgeons would perform.
Since undergoing the surgery, Judd has completed many restricted training sessions and to the majority of spectators, he looks like he is regaining full fitness and ready for a solid 2008 season.
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Sounds like wishful thinking to me.
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I just don't think Carlton would be stupid enough to risk their million-dollar investment.
Especially in a season where they're not expected to make finals, they have no reason to rush his recovery.
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I just don't think Carlton would be stupid enough to risk their million-dollar investment.
Especially in a season where they're not expected to make finals, they have no reason to rush his recovery.
dont worry they are stupid enough
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Exactly Carlscum are stupid enough and in that position and they should be. A known finals team and premiership team from the past who have fallen on hard times due to their self inflicted wounds. They still are in the red and yet have paid millions of $$$$$$$ for a player on a five year contract who has now been marketed by their Scum Club as their saviour. They can't put them him in cotton wool as their fans will get restless if he is not playing and wondering what sort of "lemon" they have recruited as time goes on and his appearances are limited so lets hope its worse rather than better. If he does play round 1 on a rock hard MCG surface even better hope he does his groin in the run through the banner or some wild nut like Schulz tackles him hard and rams his head right into the centre wicket area on the members stand wing. Us not getting him may work out to be a blessing in disguise. As one door closed for us another one opened for us.............................
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The Judd trade needs to pay off for the Blues otherwise their fans will be baying for blood if Judd becomes another Kouta (one sixth of their salary tied up in one injury-plagued player tied to the club for 5 years). It'll especially bite hard if Chris Masten, Tony Notte and Josh Kennedy all come good at the Eagles.
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Judd can teach, but can he play?
02 February 2008 Herald Sun
Damian Barrett
Despite the problems that are yet to be eliminated with his troublesome groin, he exudes a man totally relaxed with his progress.
There is no rush, he says, to stuff friendships with Carlton players, because he wants them to evolve the way relationships are meant to.
No rush, even, to get back out on the track and take part in main training drills with the senior squad.
Even at a session at Centurion Park in Pretoria he was confined, as he has been almost since his first day with Carlton, to running drills.
Given the NAB Cup starts in two weeks, there is not a lot of time remaining if he wants to play Round 1 of the premiership season.
Judd was cryptic when asked if his coach Brett Ratten was accurate in predicting he would return to competition by the third week of the NAB Cup.
"The honest answer is I'll return when I'm ready," he said.
Herald Sun: So when do think that might be?
"If it's not ready until the split round, say Round 12 in the middle of the season, then that's when it will be. I guess I've gone away from trying to pretend I can somehow control when my body is going to be fixed, because I have got no idea.
"Seriously, I've got no choice. It's either that or you play hurt and you end up finishing your career. That's where I am at. It has probably progressed slower than I would have liked, but sooner or later it will be fixed, and the important thing then is that it stays right."
HS: Are you saying it is possible you may not be ready for the start of the season?
"It's possible, but it's unlikely, but it's definitely possible. It's possible I will never play again, but if I was a betting man, I wouldn't be putting money on that. I'm hoping to play Round 1, it would be nice to get a hitout one or two games before then, but I won't be making the same mistake as I did last year."
The mistake was being in a situation where he played despite being seriously hindered by his injury.
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i love judd like the next bloke but he lost me whern he bagged us and went to those scum bags.
judd is the new kouta.......hahaha priceless
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Despite the problems that are yet to be eliminated with his troublesome groin
"The honest answer is I'll return when I'm ready," he said.
"If it's not ready until the split round, say Round 12 in the middle of the season, then that's when it will be.
"Seriously, I've got no choice. It's either that or you play hurt and you end up finishing your career. That's where I am at. It has probably progressed slower than I would have liked, but sooner or later it will be fixed, and the important thing then is that it stays right."
HS: Are you saying it is possible you may not be ready for the start of the season?
"It's possible, but it's unlikely, but it's definitely possible. It's possible I will never play again, but if I was a betting man, I wouldn't be putting money on that. I'm hoping to play Round 1, it would be nice to get a hitout one or two games before then, but I won't be making the same mistake as I did last year."
The mistake was being in a situation where he played despite being seriously hindered by his injury.
Interesting. So much for 90% and all the hype from Swann that Judd was progressing faster than expected.
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Sounds like he's hoping more than has any sound plan.
Not good news for Judd or the Blues.
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HAHAHAHAHAHHA
thats a real shame. for him im sorry but i would love nothing better than him not to play round 1 and we smash those pricks.
hahaha gold
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If Judd weren't to play the Blues will basically have the same team they had in round 1 last year whereas we'll regain Simmo, Browny, Thursty, King and maybe Cogs plus add McMahon to our side 12 months on. Morton and Jackson would also be in the mix.
Gone are Gas, Krak, Paddy and Howat (rookie so can't play).
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/games/2007/CARI20070401.html
I still hope Judd plays and we still pump them. No excuses.
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Good to see the Blues carrying on where they left off last year - losing again ;D.
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You mean they didn't tank :lol :lol
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we should maul judd all day.
LMAO @ that Pratty
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Leave it to Kingy Ox :thumbsup
You mean they didn't tank :lol :lol
:lol
How about Ratten saying losing at Carlton is unacceptable :rollin.
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they r the biggest jokes that footy club and if the tigers really wanted to prove that they are a better team in 08, forget about anything it starts right here.
anything less than a win is unacceptable for me. they should be burning for carlton's blood.
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How about Ratten saying losing at Carlton is unacceptable :rollin.
Losing is how Ratten got the job! :whistle
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ominous signs on the weekend for Carlton with the headline reading : "THE POWER OF ONE". my guess is thats how many wins they'll have this year :cheers
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ominous signs on the weekend for Carlton with the headline reading : "THE POWER OF ONE". my guess is thats how many wins they'll have this year :cheers
Perhaps it is a reference to them putting all their eggs in the Judd basket.
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ominous signs on the weekend for Carlton with the headline reading : "THE POWER OF ONE". my guess is thats how many wins they'll have this year :cheers
Perhaps it is a reference to them putting all their eggs in the Judd basket.
They'll end up with eggs on their faces if Judd's groin doesn't come up.
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ominous signs on the weekend for Carlton with the headline reading : "THE POWER OF ONE". my guess is thats how many wins they'll have this year :cheers
Perhaps it is a reference to them putting all their eggs in the Judd basket.
They'll end up with eggs on their faces if Judd's groin doesn't come up.
:clapping :pray :lol :rollin :lol :pray
Pratty's used to wasting money 36 mil to the ACCC
6 mil to Juddy to sit in the box and watch his hair continuall recede and his groin flair up like a lit match on a dry bush.
Will be more than egg on those heads MT I can tell you that much.
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Leave it to Kingy Ox :thumbsup
You mean they didn't tank :lol :lol
:lol
How about Ratten saying losing at Carlton is unacceptable :rollin.
Ahahahahahahahahahaha yeah and pulling his best players off the 26 minute mark of the final quarter to ensure that losing is acceptable. ROTTEN RATTEN.
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Ratten is starting to sound like Spudley - now that is funny :rollin
Next he'll be saying they need to stick fat
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Hope the maggot doesn't forget to yeah nah and have his cherry ripe. :rollin :lol :rollin
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"We haven't got far to go but we're still a long way away" and "We're a top 4 side" (while sitting 15th on the ladder). Ah Spud classics.
LOL HT74. $6m to attend family days and sign autographs ;).
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Carlton coach Brett Ratten says Chris Judd will be ready for Round 1
CARLTON coach Brett Ratten dismissed fears that boom recruit Chris Judd will not be ready to make his Blues' debut in the opening round of the AFL season.
The former West Coast skipper has been battling a nagging groin complaint that cost him four matches last year, but Ratten said today he remained on track to play in the home and away season opener against Richmond on March 20.
... continued
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23174367-11088,00.html
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Judd sore, but no worries: Blues
footygoss.com
Posted Feb 6, 2008
Despite rumblings over the past week suggesting Carlton recruit Chris Judd had re-aggravated his troublesome groin in South Africa, Blues’ football manager Steven Icke told SEN radio in Melbourne on Wednesday that the former West Coast captain was on track for a debut in Carlton colours late in the preseason.
Icke did add that Judd ‘pulled up sore’ from some intense training over the past week or two.
“It’s fair to say that he pulled up a bit sore, but when you realise he hasn’t done a lot of the football training since the preseason started, you’re going to pull up a bit sore from doing a full scale training session,” Icke said.
Judd underwent a groin operation in the off-season, but is scheduled to be ready for Carlton’s season opening home and away clash against Richmond at the MCG on March 20.
“His recovery is on track and we expect him to play about round three of the NAB Cup,” Icke said.
http://www.footygoss.com/main/club_news/carlton/view/judd_sore_but_no_worries_blues/
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whispers around are saying that judd has a knee issue and is out for 6-8 weeks
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whispers around are saying that judd has a knee issue and is out for 6-8 weeks
i can only hope he is out.
mate they will be the laughing stock of the afl if he is has complications for the whole year.
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whispers around are saying that judd has a knee issue and is out for 6-8 weeks
i can only hope he is out.
mate they will be the laughing stock of the afl if he is has complications for the whole year.
come on, its not right to wish anyone ill-will, even if he plays for carlscum
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your kidding urself pal, yes it is. stuff em.
when browny did his knee and all through last year thats all i hear about from those over there so stuff em.
i dont want judd to be injured or anything just struggle enough to make them pathetic again this year
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Round 1 is probably 6-8 weeks away.
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Even though Ratten was trying to make out nothing was wrong, Judd didn't sound too chirpy or confident on Sports Tonight when interviewed today.
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Judd talk appears below the belt
Herald-Sun
February 08, 2008 12:00am
Judd said he felt his injury was taking longer than expected to heal, but was confident of meeting Ratten's timetable.
"The question I get asked the most is, 'When will I be ready?' and the simple answer is I don't know. I don't have a crystal ball," Judd said.
"I'm hopeful of playing a pre-season game and being ready for Round 1."
The grapevine suggests he will be a late starter.
Richmond knows he will be either missing or underdone for Round 1 on March 20.
But the grapevine has had his groin in shreds, too, and that certainly doesn't seem the case.
Full article at: http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23177882-11088,00.html
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if richmond had any confidence whatsoever going into 2008 we should hope judd the money hungry prick plays so we could beat them with him in it.
seriously how good would that feel, almost like winning a final
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if richmond had any confidence whatsoever going into 2008 we should hope judd the money hungry prick plays so we could beat them with him in it.
seriously how good would that feel, almost like winning a final
Agree daniel. If Judd doesn't play you can already here the excuses from Blues fans :yawn. Let's give them nothing.
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stuff em. I'll be all over that Carlton board. :clapping ;D
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The latest rumour doing the rounds is Judd may o may not play round 1 but that's not the main issue. More that his groin is a ticking timebomb and may go again anytime if he continues to play. Sad for Judd as no one wants to see careers finished early due to injury (Freezer :'( ) but the Blues are screwed if any of this is true.
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Pity for Judd but it could not happen to a nicer football club if the rumours become substantiated. Time will tell.
6 million bucks to sign autographs on family day and where Carlton merchandise ahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Hope Josh Kennedy becomes a superstar.
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Did anyone see Pratt's speech at Carlton's family day today?
"Welcome to Carlton, Matthew Kreuger" :lol :rollin.
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Did anyone see Pratt's speech at Carlton's family day today?
"Welcome to Carlton, Matthew Kreuger" :lol :rollin.
And Dad Freddie
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And Dad Freddie
;D
Reminds me of Alan Bond congratulating Dale Wineman :wallywink.
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The Blues still won't confirm 100% that Judd will play round 1. Ratten was asked again tonight on 3aw and he said they expect him to play like they've sent him a RSVP.
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The Blues still won't confirm 100% that Judd will play round 1. Ratten was asked again tonight on 3aw and he said they expect him to play like they've sent him a RSVP.
He won't play in the NAB Cup.
He won't play in the NAB Challenge.
He will be named for Round 1.
There will be immense speculation on whether he plays.
He will train lightly heightening the speculation.
He won't play.
He ain't right.
The Blues are hiding something but want to play ducks and drakes
until they will be forced to "go public" on the severity of his groin.
I expect him to not play at least till sometime like round 4-6.
Chris Judd is the new Six Million Dollar Man.
He just got paid 6 million dollars to just sign autographs at Carlton's family day 08-09-10-11-12. He won't even get to 100 games for father n son as his groin will just keep flaring up from now on. He will never be the same player.
Chris Judd = deadweight
In my opinion Lee Majors is the better Six Million Dollar Man. :thumbsup
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Hope Judd gets back to his best (even though he is playing with the scum) but i honestly believe his best is behind him. This groin injury is huge and unless handled carefully will most likely end up like Luke Ball whose career has been derailed from what i understand is pretty much the same injury :P IMHO Carlton got conned BIG time, the Weagles giving him up that easily is perhaps the best indication of this
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The West Coast medical staff perhaps knowing he was leaving at the end of 07 may have just nurtured the injury along nicely to make sure if they couldn't have him then no one would at 100%. Opens up a can of worms :o
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Judd must have had some idea of how bad the injury was/is too. For a player who claimed he only wanted to return home to Victoria, he and his manager made sure it was Carlton including threatening to put a massive price on his head in the PSD if it got to that.
IMHO Carlton got conned BIG time, the Weagles giving him up that easily is perhaps the best indication of this
And the Weagles gained Masten, Notte and Kennedy out of the trade too. The last club to do a 3 for 1 trade like Carlton has was us with Pitura and we all know how that deal turned out :P.
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Fitzroy also gave us Dundas, Michael Gale and Broderick for Jeff Hogg and where are they now? Hopefully Carlscum continue to flounder and fail eternally. In recent years it has made coping with our shortcomings much easier knowing that they are going to be much much much worse off. :lol :lol :lol
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Fitzroy also gave us Dundas, Michael Gale and Broderick for Jeff Hogg and where are they know. Hopefully Carlscum continue to flounder and fail eternally it makes coping with our shortcomings much easier. :lol :lol :lol
LOL. Doh completely forgot about that trade. Dundas was a flop but we gained big time out of Brodders especially and Micky Gale as poor Hoggy was finished. Not a great history for clubs that give up so much for one player.
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Surprise surprise Judd has been named Blues' captain.
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what a shocl lol
what i thought was funnny was sticks kernahan today at the press conference. when he spoke he said tings that basically said he isnt even sure juss will even play
he said something like, we hope he gets to play as captain
carlton fans who caught onto this were ringing sen in disgust
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Judd's only been in the place 2 mins and already they're handing out captaincy. Bit hard on Nick Stevens.
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Well Judd isn't playing again this weekend so the longer he's out the more underdone he'll be in round 1 no matter how much of a champion player he is.
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Well Judd isn't playing again this weekend so the longer he's out the more underdone he'll be in round 1 no matter how much of a champion player he is.
karma may be biting.
lets wait and see personally i wanna smash them with him in the team but either way ill be rapt.
bragging rights for the whole year
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SEN had a snippet from Ratten saying Judd won't play until the 3rd or even 4th match of the preseason.
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imagine if judd just does not recover. what happens with his contract ?
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imagine if judd just does not recover. what happens with his contract ?
He becomes the noughties version of the 6 million dollar man only without the magic powers.
He will be very available for signing autographs at Carlton family days until 2012.
His biography will also reveal sordid affairs between him and idiot Pratt and Brett Ratten. All part of the proud and sordid shenanigans that have been going on at Carlton since 1897. Easiest 6 million dollars anyone could make.
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It'd be like Kouta with his 5-year deal when he hardly played. A contract is a contract and Carlton would have to hang onto Judd until 2012 or pay out the $6m.
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CARLTON says former captain Lance Whitnall is welcome back at the club and hopes to use a farewell lap before Round 1 to help resolve an ugly rift over his departure.
Full article at: http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23248888-19742,00.html
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They'll probably make him run it.
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They'll probably make him run it.
ahahahahaha :lol :lol :lol :lol
It will be a slow trundle that way he can pick up a few snacks from appreciative fans along the way. A couple of hot dogs here, a few pies there, some buckets of chips all washed down with a few crispy gassie soft drinks and who knows maybe a hug from his brother Shane.
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:lol
who knows maybe a hug from his brother Shane.
Go Tiges lol
The Blues are going to have it set up like at the greyhounds but instead of a fake stuffed rabbit moving along the fence they'll have a Big Mac.
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Visy's Pratt gives up civic honours
Monday Feb 25 05:50 AEDT
Billionaire cardboard magnate Richard Pratt has given up his national community service honours ahead of mooted plans to strip him of the awards.
Mr Pratt was made an Officer of the Order of Australia for services to industry, sport and the arts 20 years ago, and was upgraded to Australia's highest civic honour, the Companion of the Order of Australia, a decade ago.
News Limited newspapers said on Monday the Melbourne businessman had informed the Governor-General, Major-General Michael Jeffery, he wants to give up the honours after hearing last week that the Council for the Order of Australia was considering whether to strip him of them.
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=383745
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Visy's Pratt gives up civic honours
Monday Feb 25 05:50 AEDT
Billionaire cardboard magnate Richard Pratt has given up his national community service honours ahead of mooted plans to strip him of the awards.
Mr Pratt was made an Officer of the Order of Australia for services to industry, sport and the arts 20 years ago, and was upgraded to Australia's highest civic honour, the Companion of the Order of Australia, a decade ago.
News Limited newspapers said on Monday the Melbourne businessman had informed the Governor-General, Major-General Michael Jeffery, he wants to give up the honours after hearing last week that the Council for the Order of Australia was considering whether to strip him of them.
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=383745
Well I think that shows a bit of class.
In any case, he's had the champagne party, the celebrations are long forgotten, he's getting old, who gives a rats and who remembers that he got them. A no brainer and probably told to do it by the PR company.
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Dopey Fev has been picked up for speeding in a school zone :stupid
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Dopey Fev has been picked up for speeding in a school zone :stupid
Yes it is stupid but geez do we have to know about it.
Hasn't anyone here ever got a speeding fine? We all should not have got them
whether in a school zone a freeway or wherever but I don't need to know
every little mundane minute and insignificant thing that goes on.
Does this mean he will front the cameras at Optus Oval apologise take a club fine
be sanctioned apologise to the little kids playing with their hot wheels race car sets???
It did not have to be publicised ,surely there were other more newsworthy items
that could have been aired. I watched it on Channel 9 and it was on well before the first break like 3rd or 4th story. For goodness sakes.
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Miller talked about the Judd deal this morning with KB. He laughed at Judd's manager when that $2 million price was put on Judd's head. Knew it was a bluff as Carlton couldn't pay that either. Basically the AFL stepped in and got Judd to the Blues to ward off the AFLPA's push for free agency ::).
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so the afl endorsed cheating
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Miller talked about the Judd deal this morning with KB. He laughed at Judd's manager when that $2 million price was put on Judd's head. Knew it was a bluff as Carlton couldn't pay that either. Basically the AFL stepped in and got Judd to the Blues to ward off the AFLPA's push for free agency ::).
Yup but he never says it like that, or Ive never heard him. Keeps it cluey but we all know what went on. ::)
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so the afl endorsed cheating
Well the AFL give the Blues $1.5 million from the competitive balance fund each year to prop them up and then they go out and pay $6m over 5 years on one player with the AFL blocking other clubs who abide by trade week rules out of the process.
In any case getting Judd would've cost us a fortune in picks as well as $$$ so history may judge that we'll be better off without him long-term especially if his groin keeps causing him chronic problems.
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Probably just a garbage rumour but there's mixed reports doing the rounds on Carlton forums and BF that Nick Stevens may have played his last game.
My VERY reliable sources have advised that Nick Stevens took a very hard knock to the neck region last week and is undergoing tests tomorrow. Apparently he is in a lot of pain and if the results this week are negative he will be calling it quits. He is very down at the moment and thinks its more than likely over.
http://www.talkingcarlton.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=20219
From what i was told. Precautionary after he felt soreness after the match. Naturally he was very concerned due to the trauma he went through last year. BUT in saying all of that its expected that everything will be ok and will be right for round 1.
http://www.talkingcarlton.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=20219&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20
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what a tragedy for him and i feel for him if true.
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i hope thats not true.
no one deserves that to happen to them
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Terrible if true. His career seems to stumble from one kick in the balls to another. Drafted by Carlton rather than where he wanted to go, overlooked for the captaincy in favour of a player that hasn't played 1 game of football for the team, and career threatening neck injuries.
See what happens when you want to play for Collingwood. Karma sux.
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CARLTON says former captain Lance Whitnall is welcome back at the club and hopes to use a farewell lap before Round 1 to help resolve an ugly rift over his departure.
Full article at: http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23248888-19742,00.html
The carlscum might give him a new role selling merchanidise in the stands ...
Peanuts, Hotdogs, Penants, Party tricks ...
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LOL Darth.
On the news Carlton officials said the rumour is rubbish, and that thread on the Carlton forum has been locked.
Judd's meant to be playing only half a game this week so he should be lacking match fitness come round 1.
I hope they play their best 22 and we still beat them. Gives them then no excuses to whinge about.
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Although I don't wish any ill on anybody if the rumours are true on Stevens
and Judd keeps on having chronic groin problems then I see it as karma for all the underhanded deals lies and misappropriation that has been going on at that footy club.
Eternal failure and misery to the Navy Blue Scumbuckets.
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judd is going at 60 percent capacity. problems. :whistle
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LOL Darth.
On the news Carlton officials said the rumour is rubbish, and that thread on the Carlton forum has been locked.
Judd's meant to be playing only half a game this week so he should be lacking match fitness come round 1.
I hope they play their best 22 and we still beat them. Gives them then no excuses to whinge about.
hey mt i wonder why it was locked.
could that perhaps mean they dont want no information getting out.
who knows with those cheating pricks
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If youv'e had problems with your neck to the extent Stevens has, then to get any type of re-occurance, you would have to have rocks in your head to take the risk of playing again.
I wish no harm on anyone but if he plays he knows the risk he is taking, no matter what advise he receives.
As a person I wouldn't wish any harm on a person just because he plays for scum, on the other hand because he does well tough titties, same goes for Judd :shh
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Ch 10 news said Stevens didn't train again today and his neck is still sore and his knee still swollen. He won't play in Carlton's last practice match although Ratten is saying he would've played if it was a real game. Make of that what you will.
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I make it that Ratten is a moron :rollin :lol :rollin
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Do you all think Judd will make that much difference to Carlton, I was thinking to when Aker left Brisbane for the Bulldogs all the hype and what has it amounted to? SFA. Im thinking that he wont help the team all that much at all, without the support around him it just makes him an easier target. Lets see his head :rollin
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The Blues are 0-13 down already to the Dogs so perhaps not lol.
It depends if Judd is fit or not. It's going to be harder without Cox shoving the ball down his throat and Kerr, Cousins, Braun, Embley, Stenglein, etc all around him to carry and share the workload.
Geez they are carrying on about Judd on SEN. Everytime he goes near the ball and even fumbles it they are going over the top :chuck.
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In the first 1/2 minute Judd had about 3 touches
Little good it did 'em :rollin
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Do you all think Judd will make that much difference to Carlton, I was thinking to when Aker left Brisbane for the Bulldogs all the hype and what has it amounted to? SFA. Im thinking that he wont help the team all that much at all, without the support around him it just makes him an easier target. Lets see his head :rollin
a half-fit judd is still better than anyone they got down there. :rollin
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Walker shoulder, Murphy reported. No all good news for the Blues.
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AndrewWalker has had his scan on his shoulder but Carlton won't comment until tomorrow when he sees the specialist. Sounds like he could miss otherwise you would think the Blues would've said he was okay.
Their young ruckman Shaun Hampson has had arthroscopic work done on his knee and he could miss 1-2 weeks. So he is doubtful for round 1 too.
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AndrewWalker has had his scan on his shoulder but Carlton won't comment until tomorrow when he sees the specialist. Sounds like he could miss otherwise you would think the Blues would've said he was okay.
Their young ruckman Shaun Hampson has had arthroscopic work done on his knee and he could miss 1-2 weeks. So he is doubtful for round 1 too.
If Walker, Murph and Hampson miss Round 1 you'd think we have to be some chance.
Carlton have Fa depth.
Id fancy Simmo/Patto against Cloke/Ackland
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If Walker, Murph and Hampson miss Round 1 you'd think we have to be some chance.
Carlton have Fa depth.
Id fancy Simmo/Patto against Cloke/Ackland
No Fisher either.
Walker is apparently out for 10-12 weeks.
Hampson to miss 1-2 weeks.
It won't surprise me though if Murphy is let off his charge.
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Ch 10 news reckons Murphy will escape suspension.
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Latest news on injured/reported bluebaggers - Walker, Hampson, Stevens, Bentick and Murphy.
Blues' Walker might miss 10
Michael Gleeson | March 11, 2008
FOR the second time in months, Andrew Walker is likely to have shoulder surgery this week, sidelining him for up to 10 weeks.
Walker could have surgery to tighten the shoulder as soon as tomorrow, a process that would leave him out for between eight and 10 weeks and that, in a best-case scenario, would have him back in the side by about round seven. Equally, it could cost him virtually half a season should the recovery labour.
The Blues also today are awaiting the match review panel's assessment of the match-day report of onballer Marc Murphy for front-on contact with Bulldog Mitch Hahn in Friday afternoon's practice match.
Murphy clearly collided with Hahn, who had his head over the ball, but it could be argued Hahn ran into Murphy as much as Murphy into Hahn.
The Blues are confident promising ruckman Shaun Hampson will be fit for round one despite having minor arthroscopic surgery on his knee on Saturday. Hampson pulled up sore from Friday's practice game and the decision was made to immediately clean up the knee.
A piece of floating bone had been catching in the knee when the ruckman jumped and, with a week off before the first game, it was decided he could have the procedure now and still potentially be fit by round one. He is expected to be back training next week.
Midfielder Adam Bentick, who has been hampered by an adductor strain, is expected to play his first practice game of the pre-season this weekend for the Bullants.
He may yet be joined by vice-captain Nick Stevens, with the club likely to apply to the AFL for permission for Stevens to play in the VFL practice games this weekend.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/blues-walker-might-miss-10/2008/03/10/1205125821338.html
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Latest news on injured/reported bluebaggers - Walker, Hampson, Stevens, Bentick and Murphy.
The Blues are confident promising ruckman Shaun Hampson will be fit for round one despite having minor arthroscopic surgery on his knee on Saturday. Hampson pulled up sore from Friday's practice game and the decision was made to immediately clean up the knee.
A piece of floating bone had been catching in the knee when the ruckman jumped and, with a week off before the first game, it was decided he could have the procedure now and still potentially be fit by round one. He is expected to be back training next week.
Having had the same problem id say he will be out for 4-5 weeks unless they fill him with pain killers.
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Latest news on injured/reported bluebaggers - Walker, Hampson, Stevens, Bentick and Murphy.
The Blues are confident promising ruckman Shaun Hampson will be fit for round one despite having minor arthroscopic surgery on his knee on Saturday. Hampson pulled up sore from Friday's practice game and the decision was made to immediately clean up the knee.
A piece of floating bone had been catching in the knee when the ruckman jumped and, with a week off before the first game, it was decided he could have the procedure now and still potentially be fit by round one. He is expected to be back training next week.
Having had the same problem id say he will be out for 4-5 weeks unless they fill him with pain killers.
Was thinking the same. Two week injury, especially to a big ruckman with extra weight on it? I'd be surprised with a round 1 return.
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From: Chris Judd tells fans not to expect miracles
Jon Ralph | March 20, 2008 | Herald-Sun
Judd will take on a Richmond side still adamant it had the better offer to lure the former Eagles captain.
Richmond football director Greg Miller has several times this pre-season hinted at interference from higher powers over West Coast's refusal to deal with the Tigers.
It was seen as crucial that Judd got to his preferred destination to ease the push for free agency, and the Eagles - with the spectre of penalties from the AFL over their drugs controversy - accepted the lower offer.
Richmond was willing to give up picks 2, 18 and 19, but Carlton gave 3, 20 and forward Josh Kennedy.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23405675-19742,00.html
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Richmond was willing to give up picks 2, 18 and 19
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I was never keen on this deal but reading it again I am SOOOO pleased it didn't happen. It looks shocking on paper. Fingers crossed Cotch, Rance and Jordie prove to be worth it.
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too right. stuff judd he makes me sick that bloke.
good player but i have no respect for wankers like him.
can someone just hip and shoulder the prick in the first just to let him know where there
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judd will quickly become the most hated player in afl
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players respect him X his also one of the richest running around
you & me can hate him :thumbsup ;D :cheers big ears
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yrue monk but its quite obv the footy fans are losing respect for the mercinary. when they crossed to him on the footy show, many ppl booed him, and his lies and arrogance are starting to get up the skin of many
judd = hypocryte, when he says something he does the opposite
so much for wanting to go to a club with great culture, success facilities, many games at the g, bla bla bla
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With such a massive pump-up tonight has all the makings of a Judd anti-climax. Let's hope so and a Tiger can steal the headlines playing a blinder.
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he is an a grade wanker. great footballer the best ive seen
im so glad he never came to punt road though now he typifies anyone who plays for carlton. scum
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I loved it in the last quarter when Blues fans near us were pleading for Judd to save them :lol. They were bagging the crap out of Fevola too ;D after the Richo shut up them bagging him.
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He is a great player Judd, love watching him play.
They became a little Judd focused Carlton and i loved the turnover from Newman which gave us a goal.
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for me to love watching judd would be in any jumper but the blues.
stuff him now sitting with all these blues supporters over near 50 metre mark.
"ooh how good is he seriously he is worth 5 goals a game for us" well at the final siren after keeping quiet for no more i yelled out game u cheaters and take ur superstar with u, u shouldve kept whitnall he is a better captain.
needless to say they had nothing to say and were not happy
seriously no beta feeling than beating them
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Blues fans on their forums can't accept we won fair and square. Some are still claiming their a 6 goal better side but it was injuries, having players underdone and the umps that were the reasons they lost. Oh well makes it all the more sweeter that we spoiled their big "party" :rollin.
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well my brother and 3 close mates have not used that excuse because to me all that is, is tears.
we won fair and square. how about round 1 last year, who did we have that was under done and out.
they are pathetic those supporters, worst in the league
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well my brother and 3 close mates have not used that excuse because to me all that is, is tears.
we won fair and square. how about round 1 last year, who did we have that was under done and out.
they are pathetic those supporters, worst in the league
Agree Daniel161 we had no Simmonds Coughlan and co last year. Where was our sympathy compassion and understanding.
Carlton fans are generally for the most part uneducated and uncivilized morons. Much like Collingwood fans. SCUM OF THE EARTH.
The look on Judd's face post match was great.
What am I doing here?
Why did I come here?
At West Coast we used to win.
Money can buy you things Juddy except for team glory and winning feeling.
Boy it feels good to be a Richmond supporter today.
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screw judd, he is a cheat, is it just me or am i the only one who notices how many dodgy handballs he does, they look like throws to me. judd = murali
at least this yr teh umpires wont let him do 360's anymore and get away with it
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For those that missed this from BF - had to posit made me lmaotankderailed
(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/06/18/business/19thomas-600.jpg)
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I actually got up early this morning to watch the replay (8.00am) :gobdrop The things ya do :rollin
Anyway the Channel 10 intro to the game was nothing short of pathetic and nauseating
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I actually got up early this morning to watch the replay (8.00am) :gobdrop The things ya do :rollin
Anyway the Channel 10 intro to the game was nothing short of pathetic and nauseating
I actually taped the game WP and watched this afternoon after my happy night out and we did not get a mention in the intro nor did they show us run out onto the ground. It was stagerring Judd Judd and more Judd and then a brief spiel on Carlton before the opening bounce. It was not only nauseating but totally inappropriate and disrespectful to the Richmond Footy Club. We have all enjoyed this low key approach but there is a distinction between low key and ignorance. Shocking :sleep
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For those that missed this from BF - had to posit made me lmaotankderailed
(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/06/18/business/19thomas-600.jpg)
:thatsgold :ROTFL :jump :rollin
(http://www.gspimages.com.au/images/thumbs/150/122017.jpg)
Everyone now - "Awwwww! Poor Juddy" :rollin
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The poor bluebagger supporters must be crying themselves to sleep tonight. Judd can get 30 possies, Fev kicks 8, Stevens gets a heap of it too and Kreuzer has a good debut yet they still can't win a game :lol.
Equal worst losing sequence in their history and Ratten still winless as coach :D.
You've got to laugh at all that preseason hyped up trash being destroyed in just 3 weeks :rollin.
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i love it!!!
"THE POWER OF ONE" was the best Judd headline over the preseason. JUDD this, JUDD that...
i've chuckled hard every week since round one ;D
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The poor bluebagger supporters must be crying themselves to sleep tonight. Judd can get 30 possies, Fev kicks 8, Stevens gets a heap of it too and Kreuzer has a good debut yet they still can't win a game :lol.
Equal worst losing sequence in their history and Ratten still winless as coach :D.
You've got to laugh at all that preseason hyped up trash being destroyed in just 3 weeks :rollin.
Don't be like that MT. :lol
The arrival of Judd was akin to the second coming of Geez. :rollin
All that tanking was so so worth it. Now losing has become a normal part of the culture with these kids and this footy club and no superstar recruitment will easily lift the team out of the bottom rungs of the ladder :help
Even Frawley who on this forum is so widely regarded as the biggest fraud since Milli Vanilli and Fairlie Arrow has got a better coaching record from round 8 2003 till the end of his tenure than poor old Ratts. :stupid
and what about those success starved Bluebagger fans who were talking premierships and dynasties that would rival and surpass Hawthorn from 83-91 Richmond from 67-80 and Melbourne from 55-64. Surely these poor stuff need something to hang their hats on. :yawn
Like I said MT don't be like that just go the whole hog and kick the bastards so bloody hard that they will retire to their hovells and won't stick their heads out of there for years. Could not happen to a more worthy lot of Scumbuckets. :woohoo
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Problem is next week we will all be quietly barracking for :shh
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Could still be a draw CUB ;)
Even Frawley who on this forum is so widely regarded as the biggest fraud since Milli Vanilli and Fairlie Arrow has got a better coaching record from round 8 2003 till the end of his tenure than poor old Ratts. :stupid
:rollin
Every coach in freaking history has a better record than Ratts :lol
Like I said MT don't be like that just go the whole hog and kick the bastards so bloody hard that they will retire to their hovells and won't stick their heads out of there for years. Could not happen to a more worthy lot of Scumbuckets. :woohoo
LOL
How about a record 24 consecutive weeks conceding 100+ points ;).
Who says money can't buy you happiness :lol
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going for the pies. all the way.
pies are my second most hated team but seriously compared to the blues they...well they dont compare
i would love nothing more to see the blues lose the next 10 in a row
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going for the pies. all the way.
pies are my second most hated team but seriously compared to the blues they...well they dont compare
i would love nothing more to see the blues lose the next 10 in a row
Ditto Daniel. Hate Carlscum more than any other team. As far as I am concerned if the Pies win great , hope the Blues lose the next 100. Would love Melbourne to get thrahed in their first 4 and in a game where both teams really endeavour to win they fall short of the Dees in Round 5. Let the Bastards suffer and suffer hard.
Eternal pain Eternal misery and Eternal failure on the Carlton Football Club.
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watching judd , in jured or not, regardless how good he is , he sure does get many overrsted and cheap possessions.
sure he wins his fair share of clearances but v good players he wont.
mcveigh killed him last night when he went on him
loved seeing the scum lose, and imo, lovett was bog and turned teh game for the bumbers
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A little bit about us thinking of doing a 'Veale deal' in today's Age article on Judd....
How Chris Judd got to Carlton
Jake Niall | April 25, 2008
Richmond, holding the leverage of first pick in the uncontracted draft, did not meekly accept that it was out of the race and, as West Coast looked for another bidder, Richmond football director Greg Miller began extensive discussions with the West Coast football department.
Miller offered picks 2 and 18, which was better than the pick 3 Carlton had on the table. The Eagles wanted Trent Cotchin, and needed a pick higher than 3 to draft the Victorian midfielder.
Miller and West Coast discussed a "Veale deal" - the name given to trades in which a player is sent, against his wishes, into the pre-season draft and to the bottom club. The Bulldogs had obtained an unhappy Jade Rawlings from Hawthorn, using the pawn of unheralded Lochlan Veale.
Connors knew what was being cooked up, and phoned Miller. If West Coast forced Judd into the draft in a deal for pick 2 and 18 (with another player acting as a pawn), Connors said Judd would place a $2 million price on his head, blowing Richmond's salary cap apart.
Ultimately, West Coast accepted Carlton's offer, which by early in trade week had included a reluctant Kennedy and pick 3. Pick 20 was the last bargaining chip.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/jake-niall/a-jake-niall-report/2008/04/25/1208743258420.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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glad we didnt get judd
the cotch will be better!
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Cotchin and Rance is better for our future than getting a 24 yo judd with his injury concerns.
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"Connors said Judd would place a $2 million price on his head, blowing Richmond's salary cap apart."
I have never understood how that would blow our salary cap apart and not everybody else's - including Carlton. Regardless of how it's paid it has to be counted in the 2008 year, so why would it affect us and not them?
Regarding the posters who are glad that we didn't get Judd, preferring Cotchin - who is yet to play a game - a quote from John McEnroe springs to mind.....
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"Connors said Judd would place a $2 million price on his head, blowing Richmond's salary cap apart."
I have never understood how that would blow our salary cap apart and not everybody else's - including Carlton. Regardless of how it's paid it has to be counted in the 2008 year, so why would it affect us and not them?
Regarding the posters who are glad that we didn't get Judd, preferring Cotchin - who is yet to play a game - a quote from John McEnroe springs to mind.....
Spot on, if he nominates that price it means Carlton would also have had to include it in their salary cap if they got him.
But we all know that never happened because some "other forces" stepped in. :shh
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"Connors said Judd would place a $2 million price on his head, blowing Richmond's salary cap apart."
- a quote from John McEnroe springs to mind.....
Is that the quote from the ad from the mid 80's where JP Mc awakens in a hotel to the phone ringing, picks up the receiver, and just exclaims - "Milk !"
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Regarding the posters who are glad that we didn't get Judd, preferring Cotchin - who is yet to play a game - a quote from John McEnroe springs to mind.....
speak to "us" posters in 2 yrs and see what you think. judd is a handy player. will never be as good at carlscum than the eagle. imo hodge is a far better footballer than judd and the cotch will bloom and conquer
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...judd is a handy player...
Let me think about that pearler....... :rollin
I've thought about it...
It's Gold :thumbsup
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I have Judd as part of my supercoach team, he let me down badly today. Hes not travelling the best at Carlton, hes about 40% below where he was at the Eagles.
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Wasn't he BOG last week ? - I didn't see or hear any of that game but I think he got 10 from the coaches on Footy Classified?
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...judd is a handy player...
Let me think about that pearler....... :rollin
I've thought about it...
It's Gold :thumbsup
u r overrating judd, yes he was a monster at the eagles, but the team made him that good. hodge is a better player and deledio will be better than him also , as will cotchin. judd hadd wce looking after him
did u see judd today, he was less than handy, 15 touches and only 1 cleasrance!
so think about it more, spank urslef over judd and stay in love with him, his best is over. end of story
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Wasn't he BOG last week ? - I didn't see or hear any of that game but I think he got 10 from the coaches on Footy Classified?
last week was against melbourne come on!
the week b4 he was well held for 3 quarters and had a real good last quarter v the pies, but that was when the game was under control, and he became a downhill skier
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It's still as case that if you shut down Fev then Carlton can't win. They are building up a nice midfield brigade but their bookends are questionable outside Fev and Waite. They lost Thorton to a knee (medial) today too which only weakens their poor backline even further. They are banking on that Judd will still be in peak form in 4-5 years time. The KPPs they will still have to draft will take a long time to develop compared a small. They gave up a young KPP plus the picks that could have gained them the needed KPPs to get Judd. It's a huge risk.
In our case Judd didn't want to come to us so up him. I'm glad to have Cotchin, Rance and whoever/whatever else we would've had to give up for him. In the situation we were in one superstar midfielder wouldn't fix our ills. We've learnt over the years there's no messiah.
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thornton lol, overrated toss
judd will fade away, he is back in the pack, will expose poor teams but half of his disposals are meaningless, bit like robert harvey
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"Connors said Judd would place a $2 million price on his head, blowing Richmond's salary cap apart."
I have never understood how that would blow our salary cap apart and not everybody else's - including Carlton. Regardless of how it's paid it has to be counted in the 2008 year, so why would it affect us and not them?
Regarding the posters who are glad that we didn't get Judd, preferring Cotchin - who is yet to play a game - a quote from John McEnroe springs to mind.....
Spot on, if he nominates that price it means Carlton would also have had to include it in their salary cap if they got him.
But we all know that never happened because some "other forces" stepped in. :shh
The "other forces" trying to avoid free agency ::)
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lol
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LOL Blighty tonight saying Josh Kennedy could be as talented as Judd to stir up the Blues. Kennedy was promising in a side that was flogged and he had as many possessions as Judd did today and more marks. Masten also had as many disposals as Judd did. Paying 3 players for 1 is always a big risk.
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kennedy looked good last night, made one huge stuff up, but played chf very well, and along with their other 2 young talls up fwd have a promisiing future ahead of them, they now can get rid of that wacko lynch
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I wonder how much the AFL will watch over this Visy Park redevelopment with Pratt employing Carlton players like Judd in "ambassador" roles :whistle. I won't hold my breath. A nifty way to get around the salary cap.
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Can someone confirm that judd's mum works at visy on a 6 figure salary.
I heard today she has worked there for years.
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Blues finished only 11th yet they are already reaching 100% of the salary cap in 2009 total player payments ..... tick tick tick :whistle
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Carlton will pay close to 100 per cent of its total player payments ($7.693 million plus $537,000 in additional service agreements) this year.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/blues-pies-lift-spending/2009/02/05/1233423406645.html
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Judd's on a great wicket with his VISY contract. A couple of $100ks extra and "separate" from Carlton's salary :whistle and has been given the green (excuse the pun) light by the AFL.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25124318-19742,00.html
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can someone please explain to me why Judd gets all this from Visy as a side deal but casey given discounts on properties is seen as a salary cap rort.
Bottom line is the AFL want the blues to win a flag inj the next 3 years. Im convinced of that.
They would bring them an absolute packet.
Fu/ckin demetriou and his side kick make me sick in the stomach
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Im happy with Cotchin & Rance, not so happy with McMahon ... but overall I think we got a couple of good players by not trading for Judd and thats good.
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Agree Ramps. I wouldn't give back Cotch and Rance. In 5 years time Judd will be near or at retirement age while Cotch and Rance will be just hitting their prime years barring injury. The Blues have put it on the line to win a flag before Judd, Fev and Stevens retire with so few KPPs coming through (they traded away their young key forward Josh Kennedy to get Judd).
As for salary cap rorting, the only idiot trying to link us to it is Barrett ::). As with this VISY deal with Judd the AFL have already given the Casey property deals the tick. It's a deliberately grey area created by the AFL to stop a push for free agency etc from the AFLPA. When players can earn $200k more from their then club president's company for telling the AFL Record and a bunch of schoolkids to go green it makes a mockery of the salary cap. Nice job if you can get it while the AFL say it's all okey dokey :whistle.
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Carlton asks for financial leniency from the AFL for $1.5m debt
Caroline Wilson | April 7, 2009
THE Carlton Football Club has pleaded for — and looks likely to receive — financial mercy from the AFL over a five-year-old $1.5 million debt.
The Blues have told the AFL they are unable to repay the seven-figure sum, a legacy of the club's financial crisis that haunted the Ian Collins regime after the bitter political fallout that followed John Elliott's exit from Princes Park.
The AFL, having fined Carlton close to $1 million at the end of 2002 for systematic salary cap cheating, loaned the club $1.5 million shortly afterwards in a bid to ease the cashflow crisis that threatened to derail the Blues in the early years of Collins' board.
The loan was interest-free for one year but the Blues have been servicing the interest on the debt ever since and received official notification from the league in February reminding them of the impending October deadline at which time the debt had to be repaid.
Carlton chief executive Greg Swann wrote back to the AFL informing the league the Blues had no hope of repaying the debt on time. Swann asked the AFL for a one-year extension, reminding the competition's governing body of the Blues' significant financial commitments to the redevelopment of Princes Park.
Although the request has yet to be put before the commission, the next official board meeting of the AFL is expected to approve the Blues' request with CEO Andrew Demetriou telling The Age late yesterday: "I imagine the commission would look favourably on their request. If we can help a club through these troubled times we will do so."
Not only is the AFL expected to grant the Blues a 12-month extension, it has also halved the 6 per cent interest it was charging and at last month's commission talks, officially moved to reduce the interest charged to clubs to one per cent below the current bank rates at any given time.
The AFL has also given the Kangaroos some financial relief by cutting the interest on an advance requested by the club of its annual broadcast dividend.
It is not unusual for clubs with cashflow issues early in the season to request an early cash handout of dividends due at the end of the season.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/carlton-asks-for-financial-leniency-from-afl/2009/04/06/1238869906856.html
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Woe is me. :P
Things must be tight for the Pratt Cat.
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I thought Judd's annual income on being a VISY spokesperson or Green Queen or whatever his role is there would pay off that debt.
Another lie from the Cheats no doubt.
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Carlton's new slogan - Can You Smell What The Blues Are Cooking
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/86875/default.aspx
Oh dear :rollin
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Carlton's new slogan - Can You Smell What The Blues Are Cooking
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/86875/default.aspx
Oh dear :rollin
:ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL
If it looks like poo and smells like poo....It must be poo!!
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Carlton's new slogan - Can You Smell What The Blues Are Cooking
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/86875/default.aspx
Oh dear :rollin
Whatever it is they are cooking, they are going to need one of these;
(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000CCY1P.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)
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Whatever it is they are cooking, they are going to need one of these;
(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000CCY1P.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)
:thatsgold :rollin
I wonder if Judd will be using a pressure (point) cooker :whistle
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Chris Judd has undergone scans after injuring his right shoulder during pre-season training.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/126720/default.aspx
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Apparently did it reaching for his doona
That's how I did my rotator cuff (not reaching for the doona lol but stretching to open a car door) and i was out of action for three years. Did the other shoulder the same way stretching for something on the supermarket shelf (another three years for that one) not being able to lift my arm more a couple of inches upwards.
I want to see if he can lift his arms straight above his head in a few months. The pain if it's the rotator can be quite extreme so he won't be able to fake it!
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What about HS article the other day about Andrew Walker wearing a hat :lol
IT'S almost summer and Melbourne turned on a sweltering day yesterday, prompting Andrew Walker to don a hat for Carlton's training session at Visy Park.
With the Blues back in town after a stint in the Middle East, the club has quickly finalised guernsey numbers for its recruits.
Father-son pick Dylan Buckley declined an offer to wear the No.16 made famous by his dad Jim.
Instead he opted for the No.7 jumper once worn by coach Brett Ratten, Ted Hopkins and Wayne Johnston.
Fellow draftee Sam Rowe was this week presented with the No. 17 worn by Setanta O'hAilpin, while Josh Bootsma inherits No. 21.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/hats-off-to-andrew-walker/story-e6frf9jf-1226209680546
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I love watching Judd play. I hope he mends well. I hope we beat Carlton with Judd playing.
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I love watching Judd play. I hope he mends well. I hope we beat Carlton with Judd playing.
True Tazzy. No excuses and bleating for Blues supporters then as we wave them goodbye before the final siren :pray.
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I love watching Judd play. I hope he mends well. I hope we beat Carlton with Judd playing.
True Tazzy. No excuses and bleating for Blues supporters then as we wave them goodbye before the final siren :pray.
can always remember with fond memories when we beat them in Judd's first game.
It was them who had the big build up and we who smashed them.
I hope we can do it again.
For me its the little spuds like Betts, Garlett and Carrazzo who annoy the crap out of me.
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For me its the little spuds like Betts, Garlett and Carrazzo who annoy the crap out of me.
lol......The same size blokes that have no place in in the modern game ;D
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CARLTON president Stephen Kernahan has refused to guarantee Brett Ratten will coach out the season and says a bad month could have serious consequences at the club.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/140345/default.aspx
Tick tick tock .....
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Imagine if carlton pickup malthouse, that would amplify the hatred between carlton and collingwood so much. I reckon a loss for either team will result in riots
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I hate the "get Malthouse!" attitude. Nothing against the man or his genius, but it sounds like "hey Mick, we can't win ourselves a flag, can you come and do it for us?" It's why I hope we don't end up with him, I like the idea of winning one on our own merit.
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Mick won 3 flags in 30 years. He ain't god ;D
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Mick won 3 flags in 30 years. He ain't god ;D
He did coach Footscray and Collingwood. :lol :rollin :lol
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CARLTON says it expects Chris Judd's controversial Visy deal to be extended next year as the players' union fights to loosen restrictions on third-party arrangements.
The league has cracked down on deals outside the salary cap, believing it was needed to support integrity surrounding player wages.
The Herald Sun can reveal that 80 players have AFL-ratified deals with club-related parties outside the cap, down from 114 three year ago.
Those deals total $1 million - an average of $12,500 per agreement - down from $2 million.
The AFL Players' Association and Carlton believe Judd's $250,000-a-year deal with the club sponsor will be ticked off again when the skipper comes out of contract next season.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/blues-stand-by-chris-judds-visy-deal/story-e6frf9jf-1226423844309
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Ch 7 news saying the Carlton Board is split over whether to sack Ratten or not. Greg Swann apparently pushing for Malthouse to replace Ratten because they believe Mick will get Cloke to the Blues as well.
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are they on drugs or what ?
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Please no sympathy for this club .....let them rip each other to bits
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Is Mick even interested in coaching?
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Is Mick even interested in coaching?
Only us :shh
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woah :shh
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Show ya a trick
They sack Ratts, Malthouse reneges on coaching them, and Cloke comes to us
Die scum die
:cheers
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Show ya a trick
They sack Ratts, Malthouse reneges on coaching them, and Cloke comes to us
Die scum die
:cheers
To top it off, Judd gets caugh in bed with Jeanne And is sacked for bringing the club into disrepute......
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Show ya a trick
They sack Ratts, Malthouse reneges on coaching them, and Cloke comes to us
Die scum die
:cheers
It's like a reverse-Wallace.
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They'll have to hire Wallace once Mick says no to them
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now that would be sweet
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Blues fans going nuts on SEN :lol.
You would reckon Ratten is gawn after tonight's loss to the Suns. The stunned look on his face in the coaches box when the siren went tonight was priceless. He looked like a bloke who knows he won't be coaching next year.
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fair to say Judd's finished also
How much of a different player has he become
It leaves only Murphy as being their only A grader
Gibbs. :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL
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Squibbs. :lol Poor old Jack Watts. At least he goes in for a hard ball every now and then
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Squibbs :lol :lol reminds me very much of Tambling :shh
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i still could never understand how they rate Simpson and Gibbs
what a pair of downhill skiers if ive ever seen one
I hope they keep Ratts for our rd 1 meet
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i still could never understand how they rate Simpson and Gibbs
what a pair of downhill skiers if ive ever seen one
I hope they keep Ratts for our rd 1 meet
Wouldn't you rather give Malthouse his first loss at his new club :lol
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Could not happen to a more worthy sporting organisation anywhere in the world. :thumbsup
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i still could never understand how they rate Simpson and Gibbs
what a pair of downhill skiers if ive ever seen one
I hope they keep Ratts for our rd 1 meet
Wouldn't you rather give Malthouse his first loss at his new club :lol
more confident of victory with a Ratten led club
none the less. Judd is finished, Gibbs and Simmo are well hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Scotland is a hack and Eddie can suck my knob
All bodes well for a first up win in 2013
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Aaaaaaand meltdown!!!!!!!!! ;D
http://www.talkingcarlton.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=32077
I'm out..........that's it for me.........!not putting myself through this again...........!football can get %$#@ED........it's given me nuthin......!stick it up your behind
I feel your pain Tommi, I was like that round 4 and have been at various levels of numbness ever since. Im not even that angry tonight, I should be but I am not, and that makes me sad
Why does tonight not surprise me? I could almost see the next poot play unfolding in my mind before it happened...Insipid club that doesn't stand for the club I grew to love when I was a boy. We've become mid-table nobodies
Our inability to win when it counts under Ratten has hit a new low. We all laughed so hard at Richmond. We were worse.
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Our inability to win when it counts under Ratten has hit a new low. We all laughed so hard at Richmond. We were worse.[/i][/color]
:cheers :clapping
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Our inability to win when it counts under Ratten has hit a new low. We all laughed so hard at Richmond. We were worse.[/i][/color]
:cheers :clapping
Thats the spirit Big Man :laugh:
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It's a b-e-a-utifil thing ain't it! Essendon Carlton June premiere lmfao, would love to make finals next year and those to miss would be GOLD
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Aaaaaaand meltdown!!!!!!!!! ;D
http://www.talkingcarlton.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=32077
I'm out..........that's it for me.........!not putting myself through this again...........!football can get %$#@ED........it's given me nuthin......!stick it up your behind
I feel your pain Tommi, I was like that round 4 and have been at various levels of numbness ever since. Im not even that angry tonight, I should be but I am not, and that makes me sad
Weak as pee floppy rooster. when the going gets tough, they get going....out the door
:lol
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Not good signs for Ratts when media is pasting articles and Mick is giving interviews saying he has the energy for coaching.
FORMER Collingwood coach Mick Malthouse says he still has the energy required to coach at AFL level.
As the fallout from Carlton's shock 12-point loss to Gold Coast continues to take its toll on the club and coach Brett Ratten, Malthouse was questioned at length about his desire to return to coaching on Melbourne radio on Sunday.
Malthouse is seen as the man most likely to replace Ratten should the Carlton coach be sacked.
Speaking on 3AW, Malthouse recognised that coaching was a demanding job but said his enthusiasm for the role had never wavered.
"I thoroughly enjoy coaching, the good and the bad," he said.
"That surge of energy or surge of adrenalin when that ball's bounced (at the start of a game) and you're getting young players up ready to play …
"Playing first-gamers, playing 200-gamers and just being out there and understanding there's a competition on between you and your opponent, that is so wonderful.
"That is such an adrenalin rush. But you've got to take everything in to consideration. You've got to have the energy. Have I got the energy? Well I suppose, I think I've got the energy."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/145741/default.aspx
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He's got the energy :clapping
Get it done, Tiges :clapping
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10 year deal, :bow as long he presents in the social club after every home game to turn water into wine.......
....and wash our feet.
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He's got the energy....Well I suppose he does :clapping
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Not good signs for Ratts when media is pasting articles and Mick is giving interviews saying he has the energy for coaching.
FORMER Collingwood coach Mick Malthouse says he still has the energy required to coach at AFL level.
As the fallout from Carlton's shock 12-point loss to Gold Coast continues to take its toll on the club and coach Brett Ratten, Malthouse was questioned at length about his desire to return to coaching on Melbourne radio on Sunday.
Malthouse is seen as the man most likely to replace Ratten should the Carlton coach be sacked.
Speaking on 3AW, Malthouse recognised that coaching was a demanding job but said his enthusiasm for the role had never wavered.
"I thoroughly enjoy coaching, the good and the bad," he said.
"That surge of energy or surge of adrenalin when that ball's bounced (at the start of a game) and you're getting young players up ready to play …
"Playing first-gamers, playing 200-gamers and just being out there and understanding there's a competition on between you and your opponent, that is so wonderful.
"That is such an adrenalin rush. But you've got to take everything in to consideration. You've got to have the energy. Have I got the energy? Well I suppose, I think I've got the energy."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/145741/default.aspx
Having the Pies ex-CEO at Princes Park is good news for Mick and bad news for Ratten. Greg Swann would want Malthouse.
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CARLTON will make no decision on coach Brett Ratten's future until after next week's match against St Kilda.
In a statement on the Blues' website on Monday morning, president Stephen Kernahan said there would be no meetings to review the club's operations until after Sunday's clash.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/145793/default.aspx
You'd be very nervous if you were Ratten on hearing that from Kernahan today.
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yeah cause ratts was just peachy before hearing that ::)
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Did anyone really think they would sack him this week with just one game left.
It wouldn't surprise me if they even go ahead with some big review before sacking him.
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Did anyone really think they would sack him this week with just one game left.
It wouldn't surprise me if they even go ahead with some big review before sacking him.
The review has allready been done :shh Rats future was decided long before last week. Malthouse will be confirmed within weeks.........tbc ;)
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Cloke and Mick to Carlton?
THE PROSPECT of both Mick Malthouse and Travis Cloke being at Carlton next year is growing stronger by the minute.
Access All Areas panellists Luke Darcy and Damian Barrett said on AFL.com.au on Monday that deals were already being formulated.
Barrett said Blues coach Brett Ratten was virtually no chance of retaining his job next year, with the tipping point being the stunning 12-point loss to an undermanned Gold Coast on Saturday that ensured the club would miss the finals.
And Darcy said out-of-contract Cloke was most likely to join Carlton on a $5 million, five-year deal.
"Carlton coaches don't survive embarrassments like this, they just do not," Barrett said.
Barrett, who is close to the Malthouse camp, said the former Collingwood coach would certainly consider an offer from Carlton under the right circumstances, once Ratten had been removed.
He said Malthouse would demand $1-1.2 million dollars a year, bring his own coaching staff to the club and require input into high-performance management.
Barrett said the exercise would cost Carlton "multi millions of dollars", factoring in a payout of Ratten's estimated $550,000 contract on top of Malthouse's lucrative deal.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/145821/default.aspx
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yeah cause ratts was just peachy before hearing that ::)
:clapping
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From the AFL site:
MICK Malthouse will not make a decision about possibly coaching Carlton until October, according to his manager.
Peter Sidwell issued a statement following 48 hours of intense speculation regarding Malthouse's future and that of current Carlton coach Brett Ratten in the wake of Carlton's shock loss to Gold Coast on Saturday night.
In the statement, Sidwell, Malthouse's long-term friend and manager, said the flood of public comment surrounding the three-time premiership coach was "unedifying".
"Michael's first and greatest priority is to confirm he has the support of his wider family and friends," the statement, released on Channel Nine's Footy Classified, said.
"That will precede any decision as to whether he wishes to go back into coaching.
"The current media speculation in regard to any and all football clubs future decisions is unedifying.
"Michael will not entertain any approach until October and then only if he has resolved favourably his concern for others. There will be no further comment re this matter."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/145891/default.aspx
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So if Carlton approached him next week after the last game of the season he would tell them no come back in Oct :lol
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Bout time the Judd.Carlton.cheating. salary cap was bought up 8)
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great investment for the blooze
= i finals win and no cigar.
2/3 years left at the max. :lol
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great investment for the blooze
= i finals win and no cigar.
2/3 years left at the max. :lol
On one of the Blues forums, a poster there rated the Judd trade one of Carlton's worst lol. I think if you go through what picks they gave up to get Judd they could have instead drafted one of Dangerfield/Rioli, Scott Selwood and kept Josh Kennedy. Given Judd isn't the footballer he once was it's not such a ridiculous argument to make.
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great investment for the blooze
= i finals win and no cigar.
2/3 years left at the max. :lol
On one of the Blues forums, a poster there rated the Judd trade one of Carlton's worst lol. I think if you go through what picks they gave up to get Judd they could have instead drafted one of Dangerfield/Rioli, Scott Selwood and kept Josh Kennedy. Given Judd isn't the footballer he once was it's not such a ridiculous argument to make.
they thought they were further along than
what they are. :lol
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great investment for the blooze
= i finals win and no cigar.
2/3 years left at the max. :lol
On one of the Blues forums, a poster there rated the Judd trade one of Carlton's worst lol. I think if you go through what picks they gave up to get Judd they could have instead drafted one of Dangerfield/Rioli, Scott Selwood and kept Josh Kennedy. Given Judd isn't the footballer he once was it's not such a ridiculous argument to make.
they thought they were further along than
what they are. :lol
On sen through the week someone rang him blaming Judd and his chicken wing suspension for Rattens sacking! When Harf pointed out they won three of the four games without him he hung up :lol
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Lol, remember him calling up. He didn't have an answer for Harf..
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Stuff them and their cheating footy club.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edZaDfmHfB4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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CARLTON has made official contact with the Mick Malthouse camp and will lodge a formal job offer as early as tomorrow night.
If the parties agree to terms, Malthouse will be announced as Carlton coach by the end of the week.
Malthouse is expected to be granted permission to continue working with Channel 7 and 3AW radio through the finals.
He would commence official duties on the Monday after the Grand Final on October 1.
Carlton is believed to have made the call on Saturday, with a meeting scheduled between Malthouse, his manager Peter Sidwell and Blues powerbrokers, including president Stephen Kernahan.
Malthouse, 59, spent the weekend discussing the Carlton job with wife Nannette and his closest friends and family.
The Blues offer will be for a three-year term, costing the club well over $3 million.
Malthouse has a view the Carlton list can be tweaked to win a premiership during his tenure.
"I will meet Carlton, that's just a fact," Malthouse said yesterday.
"And I need to see where they're at, where they're going. They need to see where I'm at, because I haven't spoken to them."
Malthouse, who has spoken often of the negative effect of coaching on family, said he alone would decide if he was to return.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/mick-malthouse-says-he-will-meet-with-blues-officials/story-e6frf9jf-1226463332771
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do carlton and mick still think people are buying the charade :lol
just get on with it you fools
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CARLTON president Stephen Kernahan has conceded Chris Judd may retire from football sooner than the club hopes.
A report in the Herald Sun on Tuesday said the midfield star, who relinquished the Blues captaincy for this season to concentrate on his own performance, had delayed talks on a new contract until at least mid-season.
The report said Judd, 29, might consider an early retirement to pursue other interests.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-02-05/doubt-over-judds-longevity
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mmm Judd has hamstring issues.
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How the Judd deal works
Jon Pierik
The Age
February 26, 2013
THE AFL and Carlton have organised a deal allowing more than half of Chris Judd's contentious payments as a Visy ambassador to be paid as part of the Blues' injury payments allowance.
It was thought Judd's annual payments, of between $200,000 and $250,000, which until late last year had not been included under the salary cap, were now entirely included under the cap.
However, Fairfax Media can reveal more than $100,000 has been included as part of injury payments, with the remainder under the salary cap. The former captain is also paid a separate additional service agreement (ASA).
Judd's Visy deal is paid over the financial year. This has allowed some of the money he was owed in the final year of his six-year deal to be included in the last financial year and some in the current financial year.
AFL deputy chief executive Gillon McLachlan, league executive Andrew Dillon, Blues chief executive Greg Swann and Judd's manager Paul Connors met in late January to broker a deal.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/how-the-judd-deal-works-20130225-2f26z.html#ixzz2LvvrZYDv
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I was just wondering, do the brown paper bags that get passed under the table have wax paper or not? ;D
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I was just wondering, do the brown paper bags that get passed under the table have wax paper or not? ;D
Always thought they would have used BBQ chicken bags with the foil lining a much stronger paper thanks to the greater GSM and durability ;) ;)